Something to think about.

[<8>]

Hi..

were you smartest in your class? ,you know, the one who always raised the hand first to answer a question.
Do you have top grades? or PHD in anything?

Do you feel you can to trust a person with a PHD more?

This world is all about being the smartest one and you have been conditioned to look up at a smart person.
But it wasn't always so, when you was young it didn't matter, why?

You were not unconscious enough yet! depending on surroundings in people's lives and how they were fed with condition thoughts.
So the smart kid in your classroom were really the one who was the most Unconscious and the PHD are even more unconscious now.
And therefore the most acceptable to be converted to fit in to this world unconscious mind believes.

If you had different opinions and did not feel you fit in the frame of the many.
congratulations your surroundings was not able to drag you all the way down to unconsciousness.

Now, there might be a few PHD who start to get more conscious now and that's great.
But if you feel as you can trust their truth more because of their PHD, well it's just the conditioned mind believes that makes you feel that.
I am not saying they are all wrong, they starting to get a few things right now.

Do you feel you are getting smarter now, like you can finally understand what the PHD people are talking about and even beyond their thinking.
Its like you starting to see the bigger picture, "you are expanding your consciousness".

If you feel like triumph and beat down a unconscious person for being wrong on a subject, dont worry.
It's just your conditioned thinking who now wants to be the smart kid who waves his hand first.

But most of us don't want to go down that road, why?

Being conscious is not about being smart, it's about being "WISE".

Believe me we got enough smart people in this world and look where we are, thanks to the unconscious thinking.


..8..

[sdv]

The unconscious is an immensely valuable part of our mind. Perhaps a simplistic view, but one I have used in a book I have written: the unconscious is where we store all the information we are receiving all the time and in many different ways (it is more complicated because there is also the collective unconscious and the unconscious knowledge of past and future lives).

If we were conscious/aware of all this information, and all the unconscious processing of this information, every minute of every day it would be difficult, if not impossible, for us to function. Focusing on the conscious has served humanity well for a long time and allowed us to achieve great things. However, there is so much information stored in our unconscious that the time has come when we need to access it and integrate it in our thinking. We cannot make that creative leap that humanity now requires for us to survive unless we do.

Simnply put, to me, smart is conscious thinking; wise is integrating conscious and unconscious thinking.

[<8>]

Hi sdv..

You are unconsciously aware of your unconscious mind all the time if you are unconscious, that is why you think conscious is to be smart.

It's the unconscious mind who runs your life, if you are unconscious about this, that is why the world is like it is to day.

If you are conscious you are wiser and you know that..


..8..

[Ernie Nemeth]

I have never looked at a person's credentials to determine the worth of what they say.
Just like I do not discriminate in terms of age, sex, material possesions, religion or beliefs.
I've been called on this before. "How can you believe/trust/associate/etc with him/her? She/he is young/rich/poor/addicted/insane/hindu/buddist/ugly/etc.
Homey don't play that game.
All are taken at face value and given respect for being my equal.

[sdv]

I actually do agree - we need to bring what is on our unconscious into awareness (consciousness) and integrate.

I suppose I equate smart with clever. You can be clever academically (remember all the facts and reproduce them eloquently), but that does not make you wise. When you are wise, you say 'I don't know, but let me explore further'.

And yes I do agree that the unconscious has a huge influence on our lives, and we can achieve and be so much more if we can consciously use our unconscious. However, my exploration of the unconsciousness and creativity has shown that we can block off what is in our unconsciousness and remain stuck in our thinking patterns. Ask someone to brainstorm a problem in very limited time and the blocked person will come up with what they know (conscious). Conduct an exercise to open the door to the unconscious (and/or quieten conscious thinking) and then ask them to brainstorm the problem and they will write down ideas that will even astonish them! So, yes we do think unconsciously all the time but we also effectivly close the door to that thinking so that it remains in the unconscious.

[markpierre]

Something else to think about. <B>...you're killing me.

Hey I was always smart 'enough', but definitively not the smartest. Maybe I escaped a bit of the program, but none of life ever made any sense to me.
So of course I thought I was nuts.

But there is something that kicks in at a certain point that I guess I'd identify as wisdom. I'm glad you brought it up. Obviously a relative thing, but after the shock of discovering that I wasn't a spunky kid anymore
and a long period of adjusting to that, I began to appreciate how different I was when I had nothing to prove or to measure up to.
I couldn't really say how because I change so much so fast these days.
But it looks like this; I trust myself and my own intentions more than I trust anything, and it's not about 'knowledge' or information. It's too inevitable to be wrong about all that stuff.
Why wouldn't what I appreciate about myself be valuable enough to just let that be my identity?
So I'm able to share it because of that. It's a good whole feeling. If I do it.

I don't know really what you're getting at <B>, but it's got me musing. Thanks.

[<8>]

I have never looked at a person's credentials to determine the worth of what they say.
Just like I do not discriminate in terms of age, sex, material possesions, religion or beliefs.
I've been called on this before. "How can you believe/trust/associate/etc with him/her? She/he is young/rich/poor/addicted/insane/hindu/buddist/ugly/etc.
Homey don't play that game.
All are taken at face value and given respect for being my equal.

Hi and thanks Ernie Nemeth..


Homey don't play that game

To what game are you referring to?


All are taken at face value
That implies you do label and don't allow what IS to be, please explain?

..8..

[Watching from Cyprus]

Hi..

were you smartest in your class? ,you know, the one who always raised the hand first to answer a question.
Do you have top grades? or PHD in anything?

Do you feel you can to trust a person with a PHD more?

This world is all about being the smartest one and you have been conditioned to look up at a smart person.
But it wasn't always so, when you was young it didn't matter, why?

You were not unconscious enough yet! depending on surroundings in people's lives and how they were fed with condition thoughts.
So the smart kid in your classroom were really the one who was the most Unconscious and the PHD are even more unconscious now.
And therefore the most acceptable to be converted to fit in to this world unconscious mind believes.

If you had different opinions and did not feel you fit in the frame of the many.
congratulations your surroundings was not able to drag you all the way down to unconsciousness.

Now, there might be a few PHD who start to get more conscious now and that's great.
But if you feel as you can trust their truth more because of their PHD, well it's just the conditioned mind believes that makes you feel that.
I am not saying they are all wrong, they starting to get a few things right now.

Do you feel you are getting smarter now, like you can finally understand what the PHD people are talking about and even beyond their thinking.
Its like you starting to see the bigger picture, "you are expanding your consciousness".

If you feel like triumph and beat down a unconscious person for being wrong on a subject, dont worry.
It's just your conditioned thinking who now wants to be the smart kid who waves his hand first.

But most of us don't want to go down that road, why?

Being conscious is not about being smart, it's about being "WISE".

Believe me we got enough smart people in this world and look where we are, thanks to the unconscious thinking.


..8..

Excellent post and great 8 to all of us ;-) Thank you for your good self . In Truth Honesty and Love . Peter

[<8>]

I actually do agree - we need to bring what is on our unconscious into awareness (consciousness) and integrate.

I suppose I equate smart with clever. You can be clever academically (remember all the facts and reproduce them eloquently), but that does not make you wise. When you are wise, you say 'I don't know, but let me explore further'.

And yes I do agree that the unconscious has a huge influence on our lives, and we can achieve and be so much more if we can consciously use our unconscious. However, my exploration of the unconsciousness and creativity has shown that we can block off what is in our unconsciousness and remain stuck in our thinking patterns. Ask someone to brainstorm a problem in very limited time and the blocked person will come up with what they know (conscious). Conduct an exercise to open the door to the unconscious (and/or quieten conscious thinking) and then ask them to brainstorm the problem and they will write down ideas that will even astonish them! So, yes we do think unconsciously all the time but we also effectivly close the door to that thinking so that it remains in the unconscious.

Thanks sdv..


and we can achieve and be so much more if we can consciously use our unconscious
How can you use your unconsciousness, when yourself say:
cr
eativity has shown that we can block off what is in our unconsciousness and remain stuck in our thinking patterns.


we also effectivly close the door to that thinking so that it remains in the unconscious.
What door would that be? If you stay quiet and listen to your mind and try not to think about anything.
Tell me how many seconds it is quiet?

And that my friend, that is the noise from your unconscious mind, who really runs your life and why the world is like it is to day.

..8..

[Alie]

Here's a perspective from the world of internet marketing

Credibility, credentials are ALWAYS placed in the forefront, and even better with third party endorsement ---- standing on the shoulders of giants. Anyway, listen to introductions (radio, conferences, etc) ---- always promote the credentials. So we are conditioned to listen "better" to those who have a long list of credentials, higher education, etc.

WISDOM --- I cherish this above all else personally, and that's why in my day to day life I share very little. I would say wisdom is in short supply.

[sdv]

You pose very interesting questions ...

What I am saying is that we use the information from our consciousness in our thinking. Do we consult dreams, sensation, emotions, and so on when we are solving a problem, or do we look for facts and what we consciously know? Maybe you and I do, but do others?

Hmmm. When our thinking is trapped by a belief or belief structure, we are being influenced by unconscious thinking? Or are we just refusing to think for ourselves?

I see what you mean by a door though. I suppose by a door I mean a deliberate intergration of the unconsciousness with consciousness rather than pretending it is not there (keep the door shut and you can pretend that what is outside does not exist and does not influence you). The door is actuially illusionary, isn't it?

In my work I try to get people to deliberately open the door and become conscious of what is in the unconsciousness.

[<8>]

Something else to think about. <B>...you're killing me.

Hey I was always smart 'enough', but definitively not the smartest. Maybe I escaped a bit of the program, but none of life ever made any sense to me.
So of course I thought I was nuts.

But there is something that kicks in at a certain point that I guess I'd identify as wisdom. I'm glad you brought it up. Obviously a relative thing, but after the shock of discovering that I wasn't a spunky kid anymore
and a long period of adjusting to that, I began to appreciate how different I was when I had nothing to prove or to measure up to.
I couldn't really say how because I change so much so fast these days.
But it looks like this; I trust myself and my own intentions more than I trust anything, and it's not about 'knowledge' or information. It's too inevitable to be wrong about all that stuff.
Why wouldn't what I appreciate about myself be valuable enough to just let that be my identity?
So I'm able to share it because of that. It's a good whole feeling. If I do it.

I don't know really what you're getting at <B>, but it's got me musing. Thanks.

Hi Markpierre and I hope I am not literally killing you..


Why wouldn't what I appreciate about myself be valuable enough to just let that be my identity?
So I'm able to share it because of that. It's a good whole feeling. If I do it.

You should appreciate life and enjoy it, that is why we are here,Now, but for most people the driving question is, "who am I"
In my view it's what all adds up to and most people are unconscious about this, but your higher self the true you is giving you just the right experiences to get there in the end.

P.s..If you are so happy with your experience this life, you probably asked for a freebie because you like it soo much here and that is just great..:)


..8..

[<8>]

Here's a perspective from the world of internet marketing

Credibility, credentials are ALWAYS placed in the forefront, and even better with third party endorsement ---- standing on the shoulders of giants. Anyway, listen to introductions (radio, conferences, etc) ---- always promote the credentials. So we are conditioned to listen "better" to those who have a long list of credentials, higher education, etc.

WISDOM --- I cherish this above all else personally, and that's why in my day to day life I share very little. I would say wisdom is in short supply.

Hi and thanks Alie..

About this:

standing on the shoulders of giants

You better be sure those Giants was facing the right way, or else you might go down the same road..


..8..

[RunningDeer]

“7 Kinds of Smart ,” by: Thomas Armstrong. I was fortunate to come across this book in my early 20’s. Back then, it was #1 of my top ten list of must have books. I’d also add that “Emotional Intelligence,” by: Daniel Goleman is another great find.

I copied this review at Amazon.com from C. Clayton (http://www.amazon.com/gp/cdp/member-reviews/AIKVLU1HAV0ZQ/ref=cm_cr_pr_auth_rev?ie=UTF8&sort_by=MostRecentReview), "Author of The Re-Discovery of Common Sense!"

Thomas Armstrong says:

"The message is clear: IQ tests have been measuring something that might be more properly called schoolhouse giftedness, while real intelligence takes a much broader range of skills."

Whether there are seven kinds of intelligences or more is not that crucial, nor is the possibility that there are subsets to any or all of these different types of intelligences.

What is important is that if there are multiple intelligences, (and I for one agree), then a whole new world of opportunities awaits those who are willing to learn their true strengths and passions in life.

Knowing that you possess other intelligences and the ability to pursue your natural gifts (full or part time) can be a liberating experience and a spiritual awakening!”

Thomas Armstrong helped interpret these intelligences for the general population in his book: "7 Kinds of Smart". They are:

Logical-Mathematical Intelligence - People who have this intelligence can apply it to do mathematical problems of varying complexity. It is also pattern recognition ability and applying a stream of logic to get answers to questions. It is a primary component of convergent thinking skills. It is first of the two intelligences that western academics evaluate using the usual IQ tests.

Linguistic Intelligence - This enables an individual to develop the ability to understand language, word speech, and the methods used for these. It is the second intelligence that western academics are evaluated with using the usual IQ tests.

Music Intelligence - This enables an individual to have an internal feel and sense for music. Ludwig van Beethoven's had this ability. He wrote beautiful music such as Ode to Joy, the 4th movement of his 9th symphony. Individuals who have music intelligence may or may not have a strong understanding of music theory.

Bodily-Kinesthetic Intelligence - This enables an individual to excel as an athlete such as sports player, dancer or gymnast. Eye hand and body coordination are big factors in body kinesthetic intelligence.

Spatial-Intelligence - This intelligence provides the ability to see things spatially. It is an important aspect of an athlete to sense his environment during competition. A gymnast would not do well if he didn't know where the parallel bar was spatially during a flip. This is also a skill that good architects must have in order to see the spatial requirements of a structure that he is designing.

Interpersonal Intelligence - This enables an individual to interact and relate to others effectively. Daniel Goleman's work on Emotional Intelligence explains this intelligence in depth.

Intrapersonal Intelligence - This is the intelligence of the inner-self. A person who can easily access his or her own feelings and emotional states by being introspective has intrapersonal intelligence. Utilizing this intelligence allows an individual to have an enriched and purposeful life.

[Forevernyt]

Maybe I'm not understanding the OP's original point of view, but as I read it, I would have to disagree, at least where it concerns myself. Growing up, I was always in the "gifted & talented" classes. Always on honor roll and graduated third in my class from high school, only because I slacked off a bit my senior year. I started college but had to quit it early due to problems at home.

I've always felt myself to be intelligent and I have a way of picking things up very quickly. I've always been interested in the strange/paranormal/supernatural. I didn't start "waking up" as it is, until after 9/11.

i also feel that everyone is born with an innate amount of wisdom. It's whether people utilize it or not is the question. I do believe that a higher wisdom comes with age and experience, again for those who choose to listen and use it.

I think too many of the smart people, get pulled into the idea that money is a sign of personal growth/value and they become corrupted by it. Me? I'm always looking up into the sky.

[<8>]

You pose very interesting questions ...

What I am saying is that we use the information from our consciousness in our thinking. Do we consult dreams, sensation, emotions, and so on when we are solving a problem, or do we look for facts and what we consciously know? Maybe you and I do, but do others?

Hmmm. When our thinking is trapped by a belief or belief structure, we are being influenced by unconscious thinking? Or are we just refusing to think for ourselves?

I see what you mean by a door though. I suppose by a door I mean a deliberate intergration of the unconsciousness with consciousness rather than pretending it is not there (keep the door shut and you can pretend that what is outside does not exist and does not influence you). The door is actuially illusionary, isn't it?

In my work I try to get people to deliberately open the door and become conscious of what is in the unconsciousness.

Thanks sdv..


What I am saying is that we use the information from our consciousness in our thinking. Do we consult dreams, sensation, emotions, and so on when we are solving a problem, or do we look for facts and what we consciously know?

If you are unconscious it's the unconscious mind who give you thoughts how to solve a thing and some time you might not feel sure what ide to use at the situation at hand.
Because the unconscious mind through several options to solve the issue at hand.

If you're conscious you look back at your experience (as in your past life) and you pick the experience you know is right for this moment.



Hmmm. When our thinking is trapped by a belief or belief structure, we are being influenced by unconscious thinking? Or are we just refusing to think for ourselves?

May I return a question with a new question? How do you or anyone else for that matter really know you aren't already trapped by your own unconscious mind?
Let's say an unconscious person starts figures a few things out, as in becoming more conscious. Can you really be sure you aren't partially still trapped without knowing it??


I see what you mean by a door though. I suppose by a door I mean a deliberate intergration of the unconsciousness with consciousness rather than pretending it is not there (keep the door shut and you can pretend that what is outside does not exist and does not influence you). The door is actuially illusionary, isn't it?

Yes it's the unconscious mind who is keeping you trapped without you finding out about it, well not for much longer if you keep challenge it like this.
It's how you get rid of it..

..8..

[Alex Laker]

TBH, whether I agree with the label or not, I'm certain that this is how I was seen at school... as 'the smartest kid'. The problem is that you're assuming that to play their game you have to be part of it. I didn't find school very difficult, and didn't have to 'try' to be intelligent. Being the 'smartest' is not the same as 'most studious'. Now, I mostly value my experience at school for the life experience, not for my academic achievements there.

Incidentally, WhiteCrowBlackDeer, we were actually assessed under Thomas Armstrong's criteria at my school! I can't really think who the spiritually englightened one was up in the hierarchy, but I did have some fairly inspirational teachers, who were willing to teach outside the box. I value this, because I feel like I was really on the cusp of a new crackdown in rigorous, single method teaching. I escaped that. Just. What I know of my former school now is that it is not a place I would like to be.

In England, we have what are known as OFSTED inspections for schools. Basically the government's way of ensuring that children are brainwashed sufficiently. The more the school conforms to the government's methods on how to teach, the higher the rating of the school, and the better every parent thinks it is, and so they will send their children there. During my time there, it only achieved ratings of satisfactory, meaning in hindsight, you'd probably want to send your child there! Now, it is rated outstanding. The government has won out. It is now a fully acredited brain-washing facility.

Now I am doing a degree, I am not so 'smart', since the system equates 'smart' with 'studiousness'. I can't produce within myself the sort of motivation required to learn endless, sometimes questionable facts, when I know so much is wrong. I mean, aside from letting myself be brainwashed, I ain't gonna brainwash myself!

And I can tell you, having spent two years in England, and a year in Switzerland so far during my degree, I can tell you that the system in Switzerland is 100 times worse! In England, the system still felt somewhat compatible with a spiritual awareness, with time to actually pursue such things. In Switzerland, they make sure that all your time is consumed with learning whatever it is your degree is. I hate it.

In any case, by not becoming consumed by their system, I have enriched my life in many others ways by being here, not least by learning another language, but you know, I'm on the edge of the freakin' Alps. Who wants to stay inside studying all day!?

[<8>]

TBH, whether I agree with the label or not, I'm certain that this is how I was seen at school... as 'the smartest kid'. The problem is that you're assuming that to play their game you have to be part of it. I didn't find school very difficult, and didn't have to 'try' to be intelligent. Being the 'smartest' is not the same as 'most studious'. Now, I mostly value my experience at school for the life experience, not for my academic achievements there.

Incidentally, WhiteCrowBlackDeer, we were actually assessed under Thomas Armstrong's criteria at my school! I can't really think who the spiritually englightened one was up in the hierarchy, but I did have some fairly inspirational teachers, who were willing to teach outside the box. I value this, because I feel like I was really on the cusp of a new crackdown in rigorous, single method teaching. I escaped that. Just. What I know of my former school now is that it is not a place I would like to be.

In England, we have what are known as OFSTED inspections for schools. Basically the government's way of ensuring that children are brainwashed sufficiently. The more the school conforms to the government's methods on how to teach, the higher the rating of the school, and the better every parent thinks it is, and so they will send their children there. During my time there, it only achieved ratings of satisfactory, meaning in hindsight, you'd probably want to send your child there! Now, it is rated outstanding. The government has won out. It is now a fully acredited brain-washing facility.

Now I am doing a degree, I am not so 'smart', since the system equates 'smart' with 'studiousness'. I can't produce within myself the sort of motivation required to learn endless, sometimes questionable facts, when I know so much is wrong. I mean, aside from letting myself be brainwashed, I ain't gonna brainwash myself!

And I can tell you, having spent two years in England, and a year in Switzerland so far during my degree, I can tell you that the system in Switzerland is 100 times worse! In England, the system still felt somewhat compatible with a spiritual awareness, with time to actually pursue such things. In Switzerland, they make sure that all your time is consumed with learning whatever it is your degree is. I hate it.

In any case, by not becoming consumed by their system, I have enriched my life in many others ways by being here, not least by learning another language, but you know, I'm on the edge of the freakin' Alps. Who wants to stay inside studying all day!?

Hi and thanks for sharing Araxes..

Consider yourself blessed, because as you described yourself it's more or less a brain washing system.

They want you to become more unconscious to who you are and keep you running in the hamster wheel.

..8..

[RunningDeer]

Incidentally, WhiteCrowBlackDeer, we were actually assessed under Thomas Armstrong's criteria at my school! I can't really think who the spiritually englightened one was up in the hierarchy, but I did have some fairly inspirational teachers, who were willing to teach outside the box. I value this, because I feel like I was really on the cusp of a new crackdown in rigorous, single method teaching. I escaped that. Just. What I know of my former school now is that it is not a place I would like to be.

How fortunate you were to have such teachers/colleagues.

One of my markers that we've all reached Higher Consciousness is when we all use models like this both in and out of school. (See above for Thomas Armstrong, "7 Kinds of Smart", post #14) What we need is for everyone to know that the world is experienced and expressed, differently but equally valid for each. Just let everyone flourish using their unique templates. We'll all benefit.

P.S. If we are in Higher Consciousness then 'service to self' individuals are not a part of this world.

[Ernie Nemeth]

I was also assessed in school. My parents decided not to do anything about it. I scored very high in certain apptitude tests and some sort of IQ testing they did on our grade that year (grade nine, I believe). I was not told until years later, by which time school had become so boring I'd lost all interest. I dropped out early in grade ten (in my mind) and barely managed to complete high school. Decided to learn on my own, which I continue to do to this day. Learning for the sake of knowledge alone is its own reward.

8: The game I refer to is to listen to "experts" with letters behind their name because they have letters behind their name. Face value was meant as "fresh human beings" with their own knowledge and wisdom based on their life experience. Anyone can have a gem of precious knowledge to pass me that may go unnoticed by those more dismissive because of the lack of formal training. Schooling tends to strict dogmatic lessons that become more and more constrictive the more years spent in school. Not always so but almost always. The smartest people I've ever known in terms of schooling are the ones most difficult to teach the truth due to their resistance to it. School teaches facts taken in isolation - that is not truth. Although there has been some improvement in recent times with the systems theory specialists like Wade Frasier and others of that ilk. Look at Einstein for example - a dropout, who devised his own theories because he was not blinded by formal training.

[<8>]

I was also assessed in school. My parents decided not to do anything about it. I scored very high in certain apptitude tests and some sort of IQ testing they did on our grade that year (grade nine, I believe). I was not told until years later, by which time school had become so boring I'd lost all interest. I dropped out early in grade ten (in my mind) and barely managed to complete high school. Decided to learn on my own, which I continue to do to this day. Learning for the sake of knowledge alone is its own reward.

8: The game I refer to is to listen to "experts" with letters behind their name because they have letters behind their name. Face value was meant as "fresh human beings" with their own knowledge and wisdom based on their life experience. Anyone can have a gem of precious knowledge to pass me that may go unnoticed by those more dismissive because of the lack of formal training. Schooling tends to strict dogmatic lessons that become more and more constrictive the more years spent in school. Not always so but almost always. The smartest people I've ever known in terms of schooling are the ones most difficult to teach the truth due to their resistance to it. School teaches facts taken in isolation - that is not truth. Although there has been some improvement in recent times with the systems theory specialists like Wade Frasier and others of that ilk. Look at Einstein for example - a dropout, who devised his own theories because he was not blinded by formal training.

Thanks for the wise words Ernie Nemeth..

And yes Einstein is a good example, "to slow and not suitable for mathematics" I believe the school authorities words was.


..8..

[markpierre]

Something else to think about. <B>...you're killing me.

Hey I was always smart 'enough', but definitively not the smartest. Maybe I escaped a bit of the program, but none of life ever made any sense to me.
So of course I thought I was nuts.

But there is something that kicks in at a certain point that I guess I'd identify as wisdom. I'm glad you brought it up. Obviously a relative thing, but after the shock of discovering that I wasn't a spunky kid anymore
and a long period of adjusting to that, I began to appreciate how different I was when I had nothing to prove or to measure up to.
I couldn't really say how because I change so much so fast these days.
But it looks like this; I trust myself and my own intentions more than I trust anything, and it's not about 'knowledge' or information. It's too inevitable to be wrong about all that stuff.
Why wouldn't what I appreciate about myself be valuable enough to just let that be my identity?
So I'm able to share it because of that. It's a good whole feeling. If I do it.

I don't know really what you're getting at <B>, but it's got me musing. Thanks.

P.s..If you are so happy with your experience this life, you probably asked for a freebie because you like it soo much here and that is just great..:)



I don't know where you got that idea. I thought you were awake.

See how minds just make up stuff and then believe their own story? That's what the world is.

You ARE literally killing me.

Or were you baiting me? Then 'yes, this has always been such a lovely place.'

[<8>]

Something else to think about. <B>...you're killing me.

Hey I was always smart 'enough', but definitively not the smartest. Maybe I escaped a bit of the program, but none of life ever made any sense to me.
So of course I thought I was nuts.

But there is something that kicks in at a certain point that I guess I'd identify as wisdom. I'm glad you brought it up. Obviously a relative thing, but after the shock of discovering that I wasn't a spunky kid anymore
and a long period of adjusting to that, I began to appreciate how different I was when I had nothing to prove or to measure up to.
I couldn't really say how because I change so much so fast these days.
But it looks like this; I trust myself and my own intentions more than I trust anything, and it's not about 'knowledge' or information. It's too inevitable to be wrong about all that stuff.
Why wouldn't what I appreciate about myself be valuable enough to just let that be my identity?
So I'm able to share it because of that. It's a good whole feeling. If I do it.

I don't know really what you're getting at <B>, but it's got me musing. Thanks.

P.s..If you are so happy with your experience this life, you probably asked for a freebie because you like it soo much here and that is just great..:)



I don't know where you got that idea. I thought you were awake.

See how minds just make up stuff and then believe their own story? That's what the world is.

You ARE literally killing me.

Or were you baiting me? Then 'yes, this has always been such a lovely place.'

Thanks..

I'm all outta bait if you feel I'm playing you, the only truth that's real is within you.


..8..

P.s... We still have to enjoy ourselves that's why we are here..:)

[markpierre]

Oh, you are patronizing everyone. I wasn't sure. Just when we think we've finally made it to the top,
we grab another dead branch.

'Enlightened' is just another identity. Stay alert mate.

[<8>]

Oh, you are patronizing everyone. I wasn't sure. Just when we think we've finally made it to the top,
we grab another dead branch.

'Enlightened' is just another identity. Stay alert mate.

Thanks..

P.s..Enlightenment and Insanity is just a razor edge between, I've been told.

[the_vast_mystery]

Hi..

were you smartest in your class?, you know, the one who always raised the hand first to answer a question.
Yup yup ^_^


Do you have top grades?
Mostly, except for French since I refused to do their dumbed down classwork (material meant for toddlers, I found it insulting but understood the teacher had to do it to allow all the Valley Girls to pass but I abstained in protest.) but I aced the tests and did most of the homework. As well in math I'd often get penalized on tests for not "showing my work" even if I got the answers right. P.E. was horrible though, pretty much barely passed and that plus English brought my GPA down a bit. I had perfect grades in only a few classes for this reason.


or PHD in anything?

I would've very likely had one my constantly having to move schools (due to bullying) hadn't basically destroyed my educational record. I managed to cram four years of high school into two and barely graduated because of lost credits and that meant I basically had to repeat Freshman and Sophmore classes during Junior and Senior year. If I had actually been given a proper education I would've easily graduated top of my class and won a scholarship somewhere nice. But t'was not to be. :-/


Do you feel you can to trust a person with a PHD more?

Generally, in their field of study? Yes, the only profession I've grown to distrust on a whole are economists and that's mostly because I feel like economics as a field has become so divorced from being useful to the public good that it needs foundational reform before I'd really give a lot of trust to an economist without really going over what they were saying. I'd still trust they knew what they were speaking of but be distrustful of the usefulness of anything they were proposing as a means to improve people's quality of life.


This world is all about being the smartest one

Why not? They're pretty much the only people in the current paradigm considered valuable enough to have a decent quality of life. Survival currently is very much based on your utility and the smarter you are the more useful you are and therefore the less likely you are to suffer.


and you have been conditioned to look up at a smart person.
But it wasn't always so, when you was young it didn't matter, why?

Actually it did, because they were the only ones who wouldn't use me for target practice with rocks or BB guns. I didn't have a real friend until very late in my life.


You were not unconscious enough yet! depending on surroundings in people's lives and how they were fed with condition thoughts.
So the smart kid in your classroom were really the one who was the most Unconscious and the PHD are even more unconscious now.
And therefore the most acceptable to be converted to fit in to this world unconscious mind believes.

If you're talking about the regurgitation of information as a sign of unconsciousness that's a bit silly. That's a single part of a person's memory but obviously it's not anywhere near the most important part. Intelligence can be broken down into several areas and one of them is memorization and recall of pertinent information. Although other areas include being able to dissect and synthesize information to form new concepts and so on. There are many types of intelligence and while rote memorization is by far the easiest I don't think that alone spells unconsciousness. Or were you perhaps talking about something different? If so I'm sorry but I just don't understand what you mean.


If you had different opinions and did not feel you fit in the frame of the many.
congratulations your surroundings was not able to drag you all the way down to unconsciousness.

You can have that and still get excellent grades in school. It's called understanding what's expected of you, even if you don't agree with it. ;p
Wearing a mask to fit into society is just the only way you can exist without going totally crazy.


Now, there might be a few PHD who start to get more conscious now and that's great.
But if you feel as you can trust their truth more because of their PHD, well it's just the conditioned mind believes that makes you feel that.
I am not saying they are all wrong, they starting to get a few things right now.

The problem of science is by and large that discoveries and theories from one field do not permeate others. The excessive compartmentalization of science prevents say, quantum mechanics from bleeding into psychology, or neurology but if you consider that science is all about the study of the natural world then you can't keep these areas separate. A "big picture" has to be assembled from all fields. Then there's also the culture that tends to belittle anything that is a break from where the mainstream opinion is in a field, and as well due to a lack of funding you really can't get any big new research undertaken on a hunch. So a lot of the crazier ideas that might have some veracity to them are never properly evaluated and tested due to the lack of material resources and this does the entire field a discredit. (Although I'm certain this was by design, manipulate funding to keep science from going into certain areas people don't want the masses to know about.)


Do you feel you are getting smarter now, like you can finally understand what the PHD people are talking about and even beyond their thinking.
Its like you starting to see the bigger picture, "you are expanding your consciousness".

To an extent, but really I feel more like I'm only just starting to figure things out. There's still so many details that need to be filled in. Seeing the "big picture" is like seeing a thumbnail, it's a great "preview" but it's not really useful for much other than moral support. By understanding in full the details, the "How" part then clarity comes and with clarity comes tranquility and inner peace as now the unfolding can be watched accurately instead of grasping in the dark for straws like it feels I currently am.


If you feel like triumph and beat down a unconscious person for being wrong on a subject, dont worry.
It's just your conditioned thinking who now wants to be the smart kid who waves his hand first.

But most of us don't want to go down that road, why?

Being conscious is not about being smart, it's about being "WISE".

Can you please define the difference in detail between being smart and being wise? Generally I thought "wisdom" was considered to be anything learned from distilled experience versus technical instruction.


Believe me we got enough smart people in this world and look where we are, thanks to the unconscious thinking.

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If wisdom is distilled learning from experience then by definition a wise person is a smart person who's gotten a lot of experience and knows how things work. Intelligence is all about the rate you can adapt/learn new things and is further subdivided by types of learning. Someone with a high visual intelligence for instance can memorize routes with perfect recall, draw/paint them with high accuracy, someone with a high verbal intelligence would be a great communicator and translator, etc. Of course, you might be working from a different definition and if so I apologize but that was my own understanding at least.

[<8>]

Hi The_vast_Mystery and thanks..


Can you please define the difference in detail between being smart and being wise? Generally I thought "wisdom" was considered to be anything learned from distilled experience versus technical instruction.

It's about becoming aware through experience, It's nothing you can learn, in the sense of digesting information.
It's to become conscious of the unconscious mind and by facing your unconscious minds thoughts and emotions they dissolve to the illusion they really are.
Until you are only left with the silence within you, only then can you really make a conscious choice and know you are doing it.

And because now you know it was the unconscious mind who was running your life before, it's not really a choice anymore.
Because you can now sense the the true self within yourself and by doing the "wise" thing your mind starts to merge with yourself.
And you are at peace or as they say enlightened.

This is beyond the unconscious mind understanding.


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[ceetee9]

Credentials have never impressed me much. I've worked with PhDs and many other very "well educated" people some of whom were smart beyond their narrow institutional focus and some not so much, but, in my experience anyway, most of the "well educated" had very inflated egos and opinions of both themselves and anyone who wasn't as well educated. But this is just part of our class system brainwashing so I don't hold it against them. For me, it's always been the person who impressed me (or didn't) not how many accreditations they held. However, having said that, I still generally try and quote or send information from PhDs, etc. because i know most people are still of the mindset that highly credentialed people have near God-like status. %^)

[Space_Ace]

I read all posts in this thread and I want to add that I consider true intelligence to be one of open mindness and awareness. I learned a hundred times more on the net than I ever did in school. Good thing I only wasted 2 years of my life with college because 90% of what they teach you is useless. All current college degrees will soon be completely useless, especially after ascension.