Strange news on Dalai Lama

[transiten]

I heared on Swedish news today that the Dalai Lama has two persons he looks up to the most in the contemporary world and those are Nelson Mandela.....................and
you won't believe it......................................George Bush:confused:

(They are both Cancer by the way)

And this coming from a serious radioshow......must be disinfo.......
Comments anyone?

[RMorgan]

He´s Buddhist.

They have a very balanced and peculiar view of good and bad.

Maybe he was referring to them as extremes, one good, one bad.

Cheers,

Raf.

[East Sun]

I do not believe that.

Mandela, yes. Bush, NO!

[Alie]

He is quite a study ... "what" is he?

[gypsybutterflykiss]

When put into a duality perspective. It completely makes sense. :). How enlightening.
He´s Buddhist.
They have a very balanced and peculiar view of good and bad.

Maybe he was referring to them as extremes, one good, one bad.

Cheers,

Raf.

[Amysenthia]

This info is coming from a Piers Morgan interview that was on last night and his holiness was asked if he could name the person he enjoyed meeting the most. He right away said that it was very memorable to meet Nelson Mandela and then he added that he thought George W. Bush was a really nice person when he met him. He did not say he admired him, or even looked up to him. He just said that "he seemed like a really nice person".

[RMorgan]

This info is coming from a Piers Morgan interview that was on last night and his holiness was asked if he could name the person he enjoyed meeting the most. He right away said that it was very memorable to meet Nelson Mandela and then he added that he thought George W. Bush was a really nice person when he met him. He did not say he admired him, or even looked up to him. He just said that "he seemed like a really nice person".

A person of his spiritual level doesn´t fear darkness. He knows that in order to have light, we must have darkness. In order for good to exist, we must have the bad. One can´t exist without the other, just like in order to exist life, death also must exist.

Each of the extremes exist in duality, but in the end they are just one, so, if you hate darkness you end up hating the light as well.

That´s probably how he sees the world.

[gypsybutterflykiss]

Bad People can be nice though, isn't that what sociopaths do best? Mimic? Lol!

This info is coming from a Piers Morgan interview that was on last night and his holiness was asked if he could name the person he enjoyed meeting the most. He right away said that it was very memorable to meet Nelson Mandela and then he added that he thought George W. Bush was a really nice person when he met him. He did not say he admired him, or even looked up to him. He just said that "he seemed like a really nice person".

[WyoSeeker]

As a spark of the divine creator, a being of light and love, it must have been a heavy, heavy karmic burden to take on the role and personality of George Bush in this life. Bless him for making such a sacrifice to wake up so many of us and for playing his role of bumbling idiot destroyer of the world to such perfection.

[KiwiElf]

I do not believe that.

Mandela, yes. Bush, NO!

That's OK - most people would probably have a similar "belief" for unique reasons. But have you actually met Bush? Or the Dalai Lama? That is no longer so much belief as it is "experience" ;) (And you would probably need to "experience" them both - for real to fully comprehend the duality)

[GoodETxSG]

I don’t but it, not one bit.

[Flash]

he made a joke i bet, i would have liked to see his face

[9eagle9]

Very spiritual people who use the term nice, are typically conveying indifference.

Its a bland boring word, and it worth a yawn. Its a nice way of saying sheep (lol)

Probably George Bush was nice upon meeting the his holiness. Because he managed to refrain from his usual assholery long enough to behave himself perhaps the Dalai Lama said the most appropriate thing he could. Tact.

[another bob]

http://i47.tinypic.com/302z43b.jpg

[phimonic]

probably bush was the only country leader ever, who appreciated the dalai lama's nepali dope. ^^

the pic says it all :)

[WhiteFeather]

This info is coming from a Piers Morgan interview that was on last night and his holiness was asked if he could name the person he enjoyed meeting the most. He right away said that it was very memorable to meet Nelson Mandela and then he added that he thought George W. Bush was a really nice person when he met him. He did not say he admired him, or even looked up to him. He just said that "he seemed like a really nice person".

Brownie Points Perhaps.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Love thy friends. Love thy enemies.

People seem to understand this until someone mentions one of their enemies by name.

George Bush, as a soul, served a wonderful purpose. The density he created woke many people up.

It is much harder to be Judas than Peter. On a soul level, we owe him our thanks.

[sdv]

It is much harder to be Judas than Peter. On a soul level, we owe him our thanks.

I struggle with this concept (that we choose to play a role for a soul purpose), and perhaps this is not the place to discuss that in great detail. BUT, when I consider Robert Mugabe, George W Bush, and so on, I always say, with much gratitude, 'thank you that I am not that person'. Imagine having that much power and causing such harm? AND, I try to remember that before I judge them I shouod consider 'what if I had to walk in their shoes'. YET I am human so I end up then being angry and judgemental (enough is enough - stop hurting people!).

If we forgot what he has done and what he is, maybe many of us would finds GWB to be a 'nice' person in a gung ho kind of way! The scary thing is that people who do really bad things are sometimes very nice people.

[Debra]

Nothing surprises me anymore :)
Maybe it is in the physical sense? George Bush must be taller than the DM.

Joking aside, I agree with Whiskey Magic, the Bushes have played a big part in accelerating evolution as well - just by being the challenge! George Bush has been a gift!

[Mike Gorman]

The idea that someone can be a 'Nice Person' and yet promote destructive and ignorant policies is nothing new really.
Hitler was reported to be a very charming, affectionate man in his private mode, children were drawn to him and he loved animals,
this has nothing to do with the results of his actions and beliefs on a 'Macro' level. Human Beings are strange dualities, paradoxes in action.
Who among us can claim to be 100% 'Good' & "Pure of heart"? We are all capable of being stupid, selfish and destructive at times, and yet we are all probably 'Nice People'. That is my take on it.

[Russ1959]

Didn't a fairly recent thread on here suggested that the Dalai Lama was funded by the Bush Administration?

Sorry I cant remember the topic header.

Russ

[KiwiElf]

The idea that someone can be a 'Nice Person' and yet promote destructive and ignorant policies is nothing new really.
Hitler was reported to be a very charming, affectionate man in his private mode, children were drawn to him and he loved animals,
this has nothing to do with the results of his actions and beliefs on a 'Macro' level. Human Beings are strange dualities, paradoxes in action.
Who among us can claim to be 100% 'Good' & "Pure of heart"? We are all capable of being stupid, selfish and destructive at times, and yet we are all probably 'Nice People'. That is my take on it.

The whole duality principle of Yin & Yang

[wynderer]

i have never felt quite the same about the Dalai Lama since i learned that part of the Tibetan Buddhist tradition is that the Dalai Lama & his court of hi-ranked Buddhists get info about the future from an 'angry demon' -- a monk is chosen to be possessed by the demon so the demon can speak thru him -- this is hard on the monks & they only live to 30 or so

also i learned from a Sri Lankan friend that in the Buddhist temples in his country, where many of the boys go for schooling & religious 'instruction' at some point in their lives -- they were taught how to do a form of voodoo, using those little dolls

as Jordan Maxwll says -- Nothing in this world is how it looks or seems

[9eagle9]

That is one energy I don't want to feed, we express gratitude for Bush and other will pop up in office in four years time.

In 99 I predicted his administration would be the collapse of this nation. I was a freak then.

By 05 I was a prophet.

You could have very well thanked me, and not had to have risked thousands of lives in bloodshed, torture, and upheaval. . We should express gratitude for an entity that represents a force that feeds on human sacrifice? Grows from it. That's something the ptb indulges in. The more that we say its okay, acceptable, necessary and even something gratitude should be expressed for the more we go down their road. They need our agreement to continue doing that, our gratitude would be the icing on the cake. We are giving them our tacit agreement that they should continue.

I'm sure the ptb have their ways of justifying human sacrifice, and others have their 'light' way of justifying it.

I acknowledge that Bush allowed me to see how very stupid people are, but he didn't create that stupidity so I don't compelled to venerate him for it.




Love thy friends. Love thy enemies.

People seem to understand this until someone mentions one of their enemies by name.

George Bush, as a soul, served a wonderful purpose. The density he created woke many people up.

It is much harder to be Judas than Peter. On a soul level, we owe him our thanks.

[Humble Janitor]

He´s Buddhist.

They have a very balanced and peculiar view of good and bad.

Maybe he was referring to them as extremes, one good, one bad.

Cheers,

Raf.

You make a whole world of sense here.

We often don't take the time to ponder dualities and how they shape our reality is it is.

I ask, is it even possible to be balanced in this world of ours?

[Blake Elder]

Or maybe the Dalai Lama is just trying to be everyone's friend. It seems a little insincere to me.

[transiten]

This info is coming from a Piers Morgan interview that was on last night and his holiness was asked if he could name the person he enjoyed meeting the most. He right away said that it was very memorable to meet Nelson Mandela and then he added that he thought George W. Bush was a really nice person when he met him. He did not say he admired him, or even looked up to him. He just said that "he seemed like a really nice person".

Yes exactly Amysenthia! I now remeber reading that earlier! Isn't that interesting how a radiojournalist can twist something a person has said to the extent that Dalai Lama should have said that Bush is one of the persons he admires and looks up to the most comparable with Nelson Mandela (who also has made some mistakes of course as he is only human as the rest of us). It's the desire to launch a "scoop" even though she is regarded as a serious person standing on the side of the poor and opressed. That's a trap we can all fall into, right! I don't know if she has any spiritual beliefs though....

This is a valuable lesson of how difficult it is to rely on what someone says, has red or heard about "The TRUTH" if "out there" on "in here" on Avalon.

I'm rather familiar with Buddhism, even wrote a review of som of his books as i studied different religions on a mediumship course. I remember touching upon the issue of how Dalai Lama would cope with his sexuality and funnily enough they sent a part of the interview where he says somethimes he dreams of women;) No wonder, he also is only human as the rest of us:p

On the other hand i'm at the point in my life that i can only really know and trust a person i met IRL. They may not believe anything of what's discussed here on the forum, but might be the one's that can support me when i really need it. At the moment i only "believe" in what i've experienced and can check out myself including some accurate channelings i've had through some mediums, my synchronicities, the loving support from an american astrologer, the food i eat and the soil i dig in my allotment.

Something the Bible comes to mind like "You can have all the knowledge in the world but if you don't have love it's worth nothing".

[Fred Steeves]

It is much harder to be Judas than Peter. On a soul level, we owe him our thanks.

I struggle with this concept (that we choose to play a role for a soul purpose), and perhaps this is not the place to discuss that in great detail. BUT, when I consider Robert Mugabe, George W Bush, and so on, I always say, with much gratitude, 'thank you that I am not that person'. Imagine having that much power and causing such harm? AND, I try to remember that before I judge them I shouod consider 'what if I had to walk in their shoes'.

Maybe you have caused such harm in your soul's distant past sdv, I'm quite certain I have. So maybe that's why it hurts so much when we see it now. It's worth consideration.

[transiten]

i have never felt quite the same about the Dalai Lama since i learned that part of the Tibetan Buddhist tradition is that the Dalai Lama & his court of hi-ranked Buddhists get info about the future from an 'angry demon' -- a monk is chosen to be possessed by the demon so the demon can speak thru him -- this is hard on the monks & they only live to 30 or so

also i learned from a Sri Lankan friend that in the Buddhist temples in his country, where many of the boys go for schooling & religious 'instruction' at some point in their lives -- they were taught how to do a form of voodoo, using those little dolls

as Jordan Maxwll says -- Nothing in this world is how it looks or seems

Yes wynderer, i saw that video....filled me with horror....this kind of shamanism is a rude way to "spirituality" as i feel, but what do i know, i have no first hand experience, it's just my gutfeeling as with ayahuasca also....

[Fred Steeves]

As a side note though, how many of us knew he considers himself a Marxist?
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304186404576389523194617398.html

Post edit. Sorry for the confusion with the link I had posted, Freddie had brain fart. Thank you kindly for pointing it out Panopticon!

[sdv]

Maybe you have caused such harm in your soul's distant past sdv, I'm quite certain I have. So maybe that's why it hurts so much when we see it now. It's worth consideration.

Would be a sideline to take the discussion in this direction, BUT for now I say Thanks Fred for that wise and compassionate reply. Do we ever get to a place where we are all compassionate and kind and caring?

[ulli]

Incarnating as the 14th Dalai Lama had to be the bravest of all acts.

When I came across a book by Victor and Victoria Trimondi about the shadow side of the Dalai Lama I was in conflict about where I stood in relation to his Holiness.
Now that I have reconciled this conflict I admire him even more.
Because to live in the 20th century and have bridge the gap between ancient traditions and a modern world, while remaining the leader of a hijacked nation and also keeping the international mainstream media happy as well as their opponents can't be easy.
Yet he elegantly orchestrated the changes that had to be made.

[Fred Steeves]

Do we ever get to a place where we are all compassionate and kind and caring?

Oops, you had to leave off with a question that I can't resist.(LOL) Even though I'm not a Buddhist, me thinks they are right on the money in saying that what you speak of is basically our true nature, our true essence. It's always patiently waiting for when we are ready to come "home" so to speak. Then it will be patient yet again as we ramble on excitedly about our adventures.:nod:

[dan i el]

As a statesman, maybe he just engaged with a political answer due to the Bush dynasty's sympathetic stance to his cause, in terms of the Chinese occupation of Tibet. Not so much about the duality of man as simple politiking.

[Earth Angel]

that is brilliant!! gave me a real LOL moment to start my morning ....thank you


As a spark of the divine creator, a being of light and love, it must have been a heavy, heavy karmic burden to take on the role and personality of George Bush in this life. Bless him for making such a sacrifice to wake up so many of us and for playing his role of bumbling idiot destroyer of the world to such perfection.

[panopticon]

As a side note though, how many of us knew he considers himself a Marxist?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shYbs2f-VgA

I must be more tired than I thought...
What does Seinfeld and someone called Paul Drake have to do with the Dalai Lama considering himself a Marxist?
I missed something, somewhere and now I sleep, perchance to dream.
Kind Regards, :yo:
Panopticon

[kcbc2010]

Hmmm....I thought Dick Cheney was actually running the government and Bush was just the puppet. As other have said, even bad people can do good things. Good people can do bad things. All of us serve a purpose on this plane and he served his. I tend to find myself looking for redeeming qualities in everyone, even if there isn't much (or nothing) to find. I really don't want to believe that someone could be "that" bad.

[jorr lundstrom]

Well, several years ago when Iam Xel Lungold said that Bush & Co
did a damn good job; I couldnt realize the size of the picture he
was talking about. Now its easier to see how necessary their
sinister part was in the game. So lets be thankful for their skill in
playing their roles in this cosmic comedy. LOL


All is well


Jorr 2.0

[another bob]

Well, several years ago when Iam Xel Lungold said that Bush & Co
did a damn good job; I couldnt realize the size of the picture he
was talking about. Now its easier to see how necessary their
sinister part was in the game. So lets be thankful for their skill in
playing their roles in this cosmic comedy. LOL


All is well


Jorr 2.0



Night after night we have become Scheherazade for each other, delighting in stories about one character who likes to play as two.

We share this timeless tale to soften our anxious death into its own loving arms, and rest there, as this Love, this Peace.

Tonight is the one about Shiva –

Shiva from the very start, Shiva at story’s end, Shiva writing all the lines, perfectly playing every role, juggling all the production props, applauding when the moment’s ripe, guffawing when the mask drops off, wiping His brow when the curtain drifts down, enjoying a smoke when it’s over –

ready to begin the play again, on this stage with no beginning.

Om Shiva – play it again! Play it in every possible way! Play it till everything’s gone to sleep in these arms now wrapped around me.



http://i49.tinypic.com/acq0ba.jpg

[Deega]

I heared on Swedish news today that the Dalai Lama has two persons he looks up to the most in the contemporary world and those are Nelson Mandela.....................and
you won't believe it......................................George Bush:confused:

(They are both Cancer by the way)

And this coming from a serious radioshow......must be disinfo.......
Comments anyone?


Thanks Transiten, googling, I came upon the «The Blade» web site where a photo illustrates a great moment of smiles shared by George Bush and the Dalai Lama.

Here the link: http://www.theblaze.com/blog/2012/04/25/the-dalai-lama-hearts-george-w-bush/

All the best to you.

Deega

[Wind]

I have never seen George W. Bush as a "bad" man. He always has seemed to be a somewhat dumb puppet or a tool to me. His father is a totally different story... I sense very dark energy around him. A typical sociopath and so is Dick Cheney.

[Fred Steeves]

As a side note though, how many of us knew he considers himself a Marxist?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shYbs2f-VgA

I must be more tired than I thought...
What does Seinfeld and someone called Paul Drake have to do with the Dalai Lama considering himself a Marxist?
I missed something, somewhere and now I sleep, perchance to dream.
Kind Regards, :yo:
Panopticon

Ah, roger Rubber Duck that's a big 10-4. Thank you for pointing that out! My bad. Going back now to edit in what I meant to post.(LOL) Whoopsy...

[transiten]

I heared on Swedish news today that the Dalai Lama has two persons he looks up to the most in the contemporary world and those are Nelson Mandela.....................and
you won't believe it......................................George Bush:confused:

(They are both Cancer by the way)

And this coming from a serious radioshow......must be disinfo.......
Comments anyone?


Thanks Transiten, googling, I came upon the «The Blade» web site where a photo illustrates a great moment of smiles shared by George Bush and the Dalai Lama.

Here the link: http://www.theblaze.com/blog/2012/04/25/the-dalai-lama-hearts-george-w-bush/

All the best to you.

Deega

Yeah right! Thanks Deega. It's a BIG difference between "admire, looking up to" and "like as a human being." This is what's taught in every religion and spiritual tradition: I can love someone as a human being even if i don't like or even detest their actions. I think the Dalai Lama has great humour.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

For clarity-

"Of course as individual, individual person. I love President Bush," says The Dalai Lama.

"Which one?" follows Morgan.

"The younger one," he clarifies. "As a human being. Not as president of America. Sometimes his policy may not be very very successful. But as a person, as a human being, very nice person. I love him."

Citing The Dalai Lama's extreme emphasis on peace, the host finds such a selection puzzling.

But The Dalai Lama explains that his answer is more personal than it is political:

"After he sort of start the Iraq sort of crisis then my other occasion meeting with him, I expressed to him, I love you, but your policies concerned, I have some reservations. I told him."

http://piersmorgan.blogs.cnn.com/2012/04/24/his-holiness-the-dalai-lama-on-george-w-bush-as-a-human-being-i-love-him/

[Prodigal Son]

I'm sure that G. Dubya is a very nice guy. Unfortunately there are probably at least a dozen compartmentalized alters under that noggin from his MKUltra programming. Wouldn't want to be around him when some of them are triggered.

His father is a Nazi who is the son of a Nazi who come from a long line of Nazi's who were called by other names before they were Nazi's. So let's just call them Fascists.

I'm not so sure about Mandela's ulterior motives and I have my reservations. I think he played a significant role for the "Brotherhood".

In any event, if the Dalai Lama "looks up" to them, maybe they were just taller?

[transiten]

Who is G.Dubya?

I don't know the Dalai Lama or Mandela personally but i feel they are polarizing more towards service to others than Bush and Cheney f.i. What i know though is i'm discovering i've got some great friends who are supporting me during my difficult times.

[Debra]

I have never seen George W. Bush as a "bad" man. He always has seemed to be a somewhat dumb puppet or a tool to me. His father is a totally different story... I sense very dark energy around him. A typical sociopath and so is Dick Cheney.


not so dumb, could have been a great stand up comedian :)

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Who is G.Dubya?


Hey, I had to read that twice as well -- that´s one of the names they used to give to George W Bush :)

[panopticon]

As a side note though, how many of us knew he considers himself a Marxist?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shYbs2f-VgA

I must be more tired than I thought...
What does Seinfeld and someone called Paul Drake have to do with the Dalai Lama considering himself a Marxist?
I missed something, somewhere and now I sleep, perchance to dream.
Kind Regards, :yo:
Panopticon

Ah, roger Rubber Duck that's a big 10-4. Thank you for pointing that out! My bad. Going back now to edit in what I meant to post.(LOL) Whoopsy...

G'day Fred,

Thanks for that. I admit being a bit confused as to what was going on and thought there must have been some sort of weird inside joke, or cultural reference, as people had thanked you for the link and I just didn't get it (not unusual with US humour).

I read the Romano article and would point out that in my opinion the logic used is flawed.

Romano tries to place/define Marxism (a way of viewing the world) first by limiting it to a single part of Marxist thought (the communist manifesto) then by placing it within the framework of State Sanctioned Authoritarian Communism (a way of being controlled by a centralised power structure). This is odd as having done some (admittedly very limited) research into Romano he seems to have a grasp on all this. I can only think that his writing this article for the Wall Street Journal influenced the way in which he expressed his views or he is agenda driven.

I wrote a bit more but thought to myself no-one gives a **** about this so if there is anyone who is interested I've provided some links at the end.

BTW, enjoyed the interview the other night. LS is from the same area in Oz as me and his research and my own seem to have overlapped in quite a few areas. I agree with almost everything he said and only disagree on a few minor technicalities (for example I describe myself as a "sovereign individual" or a "autonomous individual" and use the term 'sovereign' as an adjective meaning 'one possessing or held to possess supreme political power or sovereignty; one that exercises supreme authority within a limited sphere; an acknowledged leader' (source (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sovereign)) which is all relevant for an anarchist who endeavours to control the delivery of power to the illusion of the artificial construct of the State, but I would not describe myself as a 'sovereign person' for the same reasons as LS stated). It was good to listen to someone who knew what they were talking about and whose regional dialect I didn't have to try and translate.
Kind Regards, :yo:
Panopticon

Further info:
http://rationalrevolution.net/war/communism_and_marxism.htm
http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-difference-between-socialism-and-communism.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism_and_Marxism

[we-R-one]

It is much harder to be Judas than Peter. On a soul level, we owe him our thanks.

I struggle with this concept (that we choose to play a role for a soul purpose), and perhaps this is not the place to discuss that in great detail. BUT, when I consider Robert Mugabe, George W Bush, and so on, I always say, with much gratitude, 'thank you that I am not that person'. Imagine having that much power and causing such harm? AND, I try to remember that before I judge them I shouod consider 'what if I had to walk in their shoes'. YET I am human so I end up then being angry and judgemental (enough is enough - stop hurting people!).

Maybe this will help you....you have to have negative and positive energy. If you had only positive energy you would polarize, so think of a Stepford Wives type of scenario. And if you lived in this type of enviroment you would be flippin bored, at least I would. You cannot evolve and learn as much in a polarized situation, it is the negativity that creates the friction to allow for lessons to be learned. Well if no one wanted to play the negative roles how would we learn? To get to this point you must believe in reincarnation. Those who do believe, understand that to reincarnate what you are basically saying is that one is consciousness not their body, and which therefore makes living here on Earth an illusion for souls of consciousness to come down and learn the lessons needed to evolve. There is no such thing as the 10 Commandments in the game of duality, it was interjected as a form of control. If "Thou shalt not" existed, there would be little opportunity for growth. So this is why it's easier for me to not judge others, because someone has to play those dark roles and I am so grateful for that because it is at their hands that many of us have awakened.

On a side note- I owe you a post on another thread- I promise I'll get to it, thanks for replying!

[Fred Steeves]

Is this what we're really talking about here?
http://malavikasuresh.wordpress.com/tag/the-little-soul-and-the-happy-spirit/

[9eagle9]

George Bush was able to snark and pose his way into getting half of America to vote for him (taking into account poll snatching) so he's not nearly as dumb as the people who voted for him.

Americans are not really the brightest apples on the global tree, and there's cultural aspects that American admire like 'bad ass' 'cowboy' 'taking it back to the old American west.' Americans seriously ask for this ****. Really they do. Americans admire crap like that and succumb to it easily. I mean fairly obvious to know that Bush was not a Texan cowboy, he's from the east coast. He can't ride a horse so where's the whole cowboy story coming from? It was made up.

You present a man in a cowboy hat like Ronald Reagan and Americans will vote for him. A nation of drug store cowboys. 'I want to live vicariously through my president'.

When he was elected most of the rest of the world didn't have a 'wild west' era in their personal history to appeal to their sense of patriotism, not quite as sentimental about the Marlboro Man. While the rest of the world was like , Really Seriously, HIM of all people? Americans were toddling happily along as bit players in what was essentially a page taken from some old John Wayne movie.

That is dumb. But people fell for it so how dumb can it be?

Is he nice? What are you going to say? Should Bush be lauded for not behaving in his usual crass way with his holiness? My teenager can behave in front of company.

More media.

I still prefer the man who threw a shoe at Bush.

[9eagle9]

The soul is aware we have a consciousness. It is not inhibited by consciousness, we are just unable to know our soul because we focus on consciousness thinking and rationalization rather than soul awareness. Because we do not understand we create rationalizations in order to understand, but that understanding doesn't necessarily mean we know the truth. It means our mind is content with the explanation given. When we stop attempting to appease the mind in understanding, then the soul's expression is more easily known. Literally releasing the need to 'understand'. Look at the word. To stand beneath something. Instead of stand on our own.

The soul knows that we rationalize things through consciousness. Blame the soul for the choices it makes? Make it accountable for the conscious choices we make? That is how we get into the loop of reincarnation. Tying ourselves down, limit ourselves. You can say the soul is doing all sorts of things. . The soul know that in order to know what its doing we have to know it, and have it express through us instead of inhibiting its expression or ignoring with understanding and conscious rationalization. What we are expressing rather than what we think we are or what we think it is.

Karmically speaking we consciously bind ourselves up in patterns of thought and emotion that limit us. We don't clear that out in a lifetime, it carries over into another lifetime, we then attract situations that are similar. These can be opportunities to work out those established patterns, but not if we assign a value of 'the soul chose'. And never attempt to examine or rectify those conditions.

The soul is unlimited. Saying there is a choice to be made is limiting. Even saying the soul is unlimited is putting a condition on what is not conditional. The soul doesn't have to make a choice, it doesn't think it should be doing anything, it doesn't have to think. It knows.

Consciousness is conditional.

The Dalai Lama is an example of this. He carries himself through lifetimes attracted to the same circumstances as the previous lifetime.

When he is ready to no longer be the Lama then he will cease returning as the Lama.` He himself has stated that the institution of Lama may cease at some point in the future. Several very enlightened spiritual leaders reincarnating into the same circumstances they enjoyed before. Spiritual lineage, the druids did that as well. Merlin or Talesian.

Is this good? Or the ultimate in spirituality. What is the most transcendent state according to Buddhism. Is it a holy man in robes, is being the Dalai Lama or is it something else? He does that because certain conditions have been removed but what makes him decide that he must the Lama in each incarnation?

Ask him.

He is able to do this pre-arrangement of who he will be in the next lifetime because he understands the conditions of consciousness versus the unconditional awareness of soul. He makes the conscious choice in the previous lifetime to become the Lama in the next. Pre-arrangement of one's next life. The Dalai Lama is still a limited position in life if one looks at things in the big picture. Its a chain of reincarnation, really no appreciable difference than a woman who comes back into each lifetime as welfare mother with nine kids by different fathers. If the soul is unlimited why is making limited choices for us. It's not. He knows this, this is why he is equitable to everyone. He knows he is no different by the virtue of his choices than the mother of nine, he is simply AWARE of his conscious choices in a way that most others are not, and that his holiness is a matter of perception.

At anytime he could stop but I suppose he has his own reasons for not doing so.

[wynderer]

i read a biography of a Tibetan monk in which i learned that the Tibetan Buddhist power structure is extremely hierarchical & controlled by a few families in which the top Lamas keep on reincarnating

why is what the Dalai Lama does or says so important to you? Humans seem to be conditioned to listen to those in positions of power -- instead of to themselves...

[Tarka the Duck]

why is what the Dalai Lama does or says so important to you?

Cos he says some really nifty stuff...;)

[wynderer]

one of our spiritual celebs



why is what the Dalai Lama does or says so important to you?

Cos he says some really nifty stuff...;)

[Whiskey_Mystic]

i read a biography of a Tibetan monk in which i learned that the Tibetan Buddhist power structure is extremely hierarchical & controlled by a few families in which the top Lamas keep on reincarnating

why is what the Dalai Lama does or says so important to you? Humans seem to be conditioned to listen to those in positions of power -- instead of to themselves...

Sorry for the long post this time. I try to keep it succinct.

Tibet spent hundreds of years as a Theocracy. Is that news to you? The Dalai Lama has stated that the first thing he would do if Tibet were free would be to propose the end of the line of Lamas and the Theocracy itself. But it's not his decision. The decision is up to the Tibetan people. And so until they can have their say, he won't step down. My guess is that he will die and the Chinese will declare their own false Lama and the tradition may just die right there anyway.

As far as why what he says is important, the content of his teachings speak for themselves. The ideas that he presents are worth thinking about. To dismiss him as a "spiritual celebrity" seems cynical to me and doesn't make much sense. Most spiritual teachers and workers in the world are not well known, yet this neither detracts nor adds to the value of their teachings (though it does affect how many might hear them). Listening to someone who has something worth saying does not make one a zombie follower. Failing to apply discernment does.

Perhaps the lesson regarding George Bush and His Holiness is to recognize and celebrate the good that is in each person (however hard to find it might be). I have spewed my share of hatred regarding Dubya over the years, but I do remember when he first took office he made a speech and said that the United States could no longer justify propping up dictators and thugs around the world for our own selfish short term gains. If for no other reason than that we always seem to end up fighting against the guys we supplied with guns. Now I am sure Dick Cheney slapped him around and told him to shut up. But for one brief moment he seemed like a guy who had a reasonable idea.

[wynderer]

sorry -- guess i had those 'Question Authority' & 'Question Everything' bumperstickers on my car too long -- i forgot that the Pope & the Dalai Lama are off -limits for questioning -- my bad...



i read a biography of a Tibetan monk in which i learned that the Tibetan Buddhist power structure is extremely hierarchical & controlled by a few families in which the top Lamas keep on reincarnating

why is what the Dalai Lama does or says so important to you? Humans seem to be conditioned to listen to those in positions of power -- instead of to themselves...

Sorry for the long post this time. I try to keep it succinct.

Tibet spent hundreds of years as a Theocracy. Is that news to you? The Dalai Lama has stated that the first thing he would do if Tibet were free would be to propose the end of the line of Lamas and the Theocracy itself. But it's not his decision. The decision is up to the Tibetan people. And so until they can have their say, he won't step down. My guess is that he will die and the Chinese will declare their own false Lama and the tradition may just die right there anyway.

As far as why what he says is important, the content of his teachings speak for themselves. The ideas that he presents are worth thinking about. To dismiss him as a "spiritual celebrity" seems cynical to me and doesn't make much sense. Most spiritual teachers and workers in the world are not well known, yet this neither detracts nor adds to the value of their teachings (though it does affect how many might hear them). Listening to someone who has something worth saying does not make one a zombie follower. Failing to apply discernment does.

Perhaps the lesson regarding George Bush and His Holiness is to recognize and celebrate the good that is in each person (however hard to find it might be). I have spewed my share of hatred regarding Dubya over the years, but I do remember when he first took office he made a speech and said that the United States could no longer justify propping up dictators and thugs around the world for our own selfish short term gains. If for no other reason than that we always seem to end up fighting against the guys we supplied with guns. Now I am sure Dick Cheney slapped him around and told him to shut up. But for one brief moment he seemed like a guy who had a reasonable idea.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

sorry -- guess i had those 'Question Authority' & 'Question Everything' bumperstickers on my car too long -- i forgot that the Pope & the Dalai Lama are off -limits for questioning -- my bad...



i read a biography of a Tibetan monk in which i learned that the Tibetan Buddhist power structure is extremely hierarchical & controlled by a few families in which the top Lamas keep on reincarnating

why is what the Dalai Lama does or says so important to you? Humans seem to be conditioned to listen to those in positions of power -- instead of to themselves...

Sorry for the long post this time. I try to keep it succinct.

Tibet spent hundreds of years as a Theocracy. Is that news to you? The Dalai Lama has stated that the first thing he would do if Tibet were free would be to propose the end of the line of Lamas and the Theocracy itself. But it's not his decision. The decision is up to the Tibetan people. And so until they can have their say, he won't step down. My guess is that he will die and the Chinese will declare their own false Lama and the tradition may just die right there anyway.

As far as why what he says is important, the content of his teachings speak for themselves. The ideas that he presents are worth thinking about. To dismiss him as a "spiritual celebrity" seems cynical to me and doesn't make much sense. Most spiritual teachers and workers in the world are not well known, yet this neither detracts nor adds to the value of their teachings (though it does affect how many might hear them). Listening to someone who has something worth saying does not make one a zombie follower. Failing to apply discernment does.

Perhaps the lesson regarding George Bush and His Holiness is to recognize and celebrate the good that is in each person (however hard to find it might be). I have spewed my share of hatred regarding Dubya over the years, but I do remember when he first took office he made a speech and said that the United States could no longer justify propping up dictators and thugs around the world for our own selfish short term gains. If for no other reason than that we always seem to end up fighting against the guys we supplied with guns. Now I am sure Dick Cheney slapped him around and told him to shut up. But for one brief moment he seemed like a guy who had a reasonable idea.

You asked a question and I answered it. Your snide response is immature.

[Kerrigan]

I'm just gonna give my gut feeling cause I got nothing to back it up (yet?)

I always had a bad feeling about the Dalai Lama, and still do.

There, I said it.

[another bob]

Is this what we're really talking about here?
http://malavikasuresh.wordpress.com/tag/the-little-soul-and-the-happy-spirit/

Ya know, Brother -- take away the cutesy talk, and that story's not far off from the way this process actually works at a certain level.

For a more detailed "look behind the scenes", I'd recommend those interested check out Nanci Danison's story. There's been a few threads about her here, and she has a couple of good interviews on YouTube, besides having written three fascinating books. She was a top lawyer in her field, and then had an extended NDE, of which she was able to bring back quite a bit of info on the mechanics of the whole deal.

:yo:

Thanks for sharing!

[Whiskey_Mystic]

I'm just gonna give my gut feeling cause I got nothing to back it up (yet?)

I always had a bad feeling about the Dalai Lama, and still do.

There, I said it.

You're not alone in that. I am surprised that this thread was not already hijacked by those who are convinced that His Holiness is the root of all evil and eats babies. If you search, you will find a thread where his detractors make their case.

When I tune into the Dalai Lama, what I see is that although he is highly intelligent and enlightened, he is not as enlightened as most assume. Some people think he is the Buddha incarnate, which he is not. However, the joy and compassion that emanate from him make me weep. That is obviously not an intellectual observation. It's a vibrational one.

I suggest simply looking at what he has to say in his writing and speeches and let that speak for itself. I don't agree with his every point of view, but then again I am a Taoist. I find his views enlightening and thought provoking.