The Hybrids & Clones Amongst Us

[wynderer]

Greetings, All --

Elaine Douglass, ed of JAR [ Journal of Abduction Research] told me that David Jacobs, author of 'The Threat,' says that the Reptilians & Greys are in hi-security mode right now because they are placing their clones & hybrids into Human societies bigtime right now

maybe so -- the instant i clicked on 'Post New Thread' there was a loud CRACK right behind my computer, & my brain instantly got fogged -- the crack was like the one in the Dave Corso/Duncan O'Finiaon Camelot interview -- [ & yes, i know the sounds this building makes, w/wind, sun, fluctuations in air temperature/pressure, etc ]

but i shall plow ahead, ignoring those little thoughts of 'Why bother? It's really not such a big deal' , etc

i guess i shall write this from my personal experience p.o.v. -- to begin with -- technically i believe i am a Reptilian/Human hybrid -- specifically a Draco/Human hybrid -- thru the percentage of Draco DNA in my bloodline --
[ & perhaps thru some tampering w/me during my abductions ]

as this thread is not about me, all i'll say re my bloodline is that on one side i am a 'blueblood' going back to France , pretty far back, & on the other the Rhesus neg 'factor' so prized by the Reptilians -- very hi IQs w/both my biological parents also -- a lot of Celtic blood, & people often tell me i look Native American

i am having a difficult time in writing this -- one of our members [ did not get permission to use their name so am not ] -- pm'd me asking me about the 'physical characteristics' of hybrids & clones -- so i'll use that as a taking-off point

i really don't like drawing attention to myself -- but it seems that i am being guided to use myself as a description of the physical traits of a hybrid -- i am sure i am not the only Avalon member who is helped in their posting -- i sometimes hear faint traces of the music of the Angels behind some of our posters , for instance

by 'hybrid' i mean the Reptilian/Human hybrids & by 'clone' i mean the Grey/Human clones amongst us -- terminology just from my p.o.v. & experiences

also i draw a distinction between DNA hybrids such as myself & those like James Casbolt & the other supersoldiers -- also this body was born in 1947 so i am one of the first USA attempts at this --

OK -- on to a description of myself & then of a few i have met -- we are all tall , good-looking , highly intelligent, naturally good at sports & music , have some degree of psychic abilities , natural leaders , &, i am told, we are 'hotties'

i'll run down the list giving my credentials for each first

tall -- 5' 8'' -- tall for a woman of my generation

good-looking -- i was asked to model several times in my younger days, once by the rep for the Miss World [or Miss Universe -- long time ago] Philly agency , among their other bookings -- & i still turn male heads at age 65 -- women friends point it out -- i'm not lookin' these days

highly intelligent -- my IQ tested at the top 1% level [tho here i must confess i cheated & took some of the answers from the mind of the lady giving me the test -- i was desperate to get some kind of credentials to convince the local school board that i was fit to teach my son at home -- & i did not have a degree -- my beloved Grandmother taught me when i was at her knee that one NEVER invades another person's mind w/o their permission -- but i HAD to get him out of that school -- ]
& one of the top research scientists at DuPont way back when [they paid him well just to think ] told his children, friends with my children, that i was the most intelligent woman he had ever met

good at sports -- varsity field hockey & basketball in HS, varsity field hockey in my brief one semester in college -- i love tennis, too

good at music -- i hold music sacred & don't like to sound like i'm bragging -- i had a hard enough time writing the above

so how about this -- in my # 2 of 3 alcoholic binges in my life, lasting about 3 yrs each -- # 2 was trying to kill myself thru alcohol after my son died in '87 -- it was the musicians in the local bands wherever i lived, the Native Americans, & the Indigo kids who kept me alive those 3 yrs

psy abilities -- some of my friends tell me i am the 'most psychic' person they know -- my children & ex trusted any warning dreams i had about them -- & my ex one said that living w/me was like living w/a Russian mystic -- i think i've posted elsewhere re what at least 4 different Shamans have told me

natural leaders -- elected class president from kindergarten [or 1st grade?] & a few yrs thereafter

student council VP in HS -- in 'Who's Who Among USA High School Students' my graduating yr

DoPont wanted to send me to school to be an 'executive secretary' back in '64 when i applied for a job, & when all the secretaries were women

often seemed to have managerial positions when out there working for a living -- for 2 different bookstores , a childrens' educational toys store, the retail area of a hotsy -totsy greenhouse/nursery near DC

'hotties' -- [whew! almost done! enough already!] -- currently i am trying to drive away a 30-yr-old , also a hybrid

i think this is long enough, & it wore me out -- in my next post , if there is interest in this one , i'll write about the other hybrids i have met -- & then the next one about the Grey clones

wyn

[Chakra]

Greetings, All --

i guess i shall write this from my personal experience p.o.v. -- to begin with -- technically i believe i am a Reptilian/Human hybrid -- specifically a Draco/Human hybrid -- thru the percentage of Draco DNA in my bloodline --
[ & perhaps thru some tampering w/me during my abductions ]

as this thread is not about me, all i'll say re my bloodline is that on one side i am a 'blueblood' going back to France , pretty far back, & on the other the Rhesus neg 'factor' so prized by the Reptilians -- very hi IQs w/both my biological parents also -- a lot of Celtic blood, & people often tell me i look Native American

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i really don't like drawing attention to myself -- but it seems that i am being guided to use myself as a description of the physical traits of a hybrid -- i am sure i am not the only Avalon member who is helped in their posting -- i sometimes hear faint traces of the music of the Angels behind some of our posters , for instance

by 'hybrid' i mean the Reptilian/Human hybrids & by 'clone' i mean the Grey/Human clones amongst us -- terminology just from my p.o.v. & experiences

also i draw a distinction between DNA hybrids such as myself & those like James Casbolt & the other supersoldiers -- also this body was born in 1947 so i am one of the first USA attempts at this --

OK -- on to a description of myself & then of a few i have met -- we are all tall , good-looking , highly intelligent, naturally good at sports & music , have some degree of psychic abilities , natural leaders , &, i am told, we are 'hotties'

wyn

Hi Wyn
Are you on the rh negative forum? What's your blood type?

We have some very interesting discussions on the origins of our blood types. Though the reptilian theory certainly does come up, as does the alien theory, one of the other possible blood lines purposed are from the Neanderthals. Especially the red haired blue eyed line.

Interbreeding with the Neanderthals is believe to have occurred around 35 - 40,000 years ago. Other blood type mutations around 2,000 years ago.

Very interesting stuff.
Cheers
Renee

[seantimberwolf]

Carefull with this thread friend, it may nto be well recieved.

But very intresting i belive i have soemthing in me, im O neg blood type.

SeanTW

[Earth Angel]

Renee, where is the rh negative forum ?? thanks.....EarthAngel

[wynderer]

i feel really uncomfortable w/such a self-aggrandizing -sounding post as my first just sitting there -- so here's one story of another hybrid who knew he was one

maybe 10 yrs ago -- a young friend of mine had just started a real love affair w/the woman of his dreams -- a friend of his dropped by unexpectedly, expecting to stay the night as usual -- but the love affair ... so he asked me if his friend could crash at my place -- i said sure , knowing both him & his lady love to be good folk

the young man -- student at the U of Buffalo, NY --was tall , strong, good-looking, & intelligent -- he & i stayed up till 3 or 4 a.m., talking

he'd had an affair w/an older woman married to some rich guy -- she told him she was a Reptilian & that he was also -- he showed me the big tatoo of a Reptilian he had on his calf -- & apparently he had seen her Reptilian self -- [at one point he was nearly shouting at me, 'Then who are YOU ? who are YOU? ' -- i couldn't answer, & still can't -- have some new data re that that i am still evaluating ] -- i sent him off w/my copy of David Icke's 'Children of the Matrix' , & our mutual friend told me later that he said, ' [wynderer] showed me where it's at'

i think that many of the DNA hybrids do not know who they are -- so long as they follow/tune into/live from their Human self -- & as i recall, D Icke addresses this in his 'Children' book

however -- i am suspecting that those who live by/from their Reptilian self DO know who they are, & these are the ones who rise to power [ & i am not saying that they are the top players in this game/war -- i'm just trying to figure things out]-- whether power over others in a small personal sphere of choice, or in the worlds of politics, finance, communications, etc

i think the rise to power is done by having the right doors open -- i had many open for me that i did not go thru [i have been guided, often w/o my knowing , away from choosing -- hindsight shows me that]

& i think the hybrids being placed into Human societies right now -- i think it is being done in a different way -- the new ones not being born into the world


i sure hope at least one person comments on this thread

[Chakra]

Renee, where is the rh negative forum ?? thanks.....EarthAngel

http://rhnegativeblood.ning.com/
This is the primary one I am on. We have some really good conversations.

[Chakra]

Carefull with this thread friend, it may nto be well recieved.

But very intresting i belive i have soemthing in me, im O neg blood type.

SeanTW

So are all of the Royal Family lol It is considered the universal blood type. In that you can donate blood to all the blood groups.

[Chakra]

& i think the hybrids being placed into Human societies right now -- i think it is being done in a different way -- the new ones not being born into the world

I think that there are genetically speaking people with blood types that may have a extraterrestrial origin - like possibly the Rh Neg reptilian connection and then there are the 'hybrids'. Not sure what you mean though about DNA hybrids. Could you speak more of what that is?

I personally would define the term hybrid as something that was created specifically by the Gray's as a human / gray hybrid. Sorta like a first generational thing. If they can breed with humans then the children can become more human than grey and thus less of a hybrid and more of a human. Which in the long run is what I think they are shooting for....Which would also give them access to greater amount soul connection with the higher spiritual realms which technically they lack. Sort of a back door approach to gaining back the spirituality that they lost.

[wynderer]

to continue on the topic of hybrids & clones, the latest models, & how they are being placed on Earth -- my theory about it anyway

in Bush II's first term, the economy really took a nose dive -- but meanwhile these brand new nice little housing developments were being built everywhere i lived during those yrs -- in a bar i overheard some folks from Syracuse talking about this , & one man asked ,'Where are these people coming from? '

i have a close bio relative who shapeshifted in front of me once -- that's for another post -- he was a designer & builder of very large, very expensive, & quite nice homes at the time -- he told me that he'd sold a house to one couple who called & asked him to visit when they were moved in -- they wanted him to tell them what kind of furniture & appliances other people bought, & what they did in the evenings -- this was not a ' how do i keep up w/the Joneses ' question -- this relative is very dismissive of ET & any 'paranormal' stoff -- but he told me this as something very weird

during my # 2 alcoholic binge i hitch-hiked around our country w/our truckers for about 5 months - [ most are very good men ] -- one ride i had was along that stretch of CA coast -- i think between LA & San Fran -- where on the land side there are fences & warnings to stay away --US gov't property -- both the trucker & i saw a lot of those little orbs -- they seemed to be following us -- & he was talking about them on the CB w/a buddy driving a little ahead who also saw them

at nighttime the trucker pulled into this really nice brand-new little development, perched right overlooking the ocean -- he asked me to wait in the truck while he went into the house he'd parked in front of while he talked to the husband of the couple who lived there -- he wasn't gone long before i got really really sleepy, so i went to the bed in the back of the cab & slept heavily thru the night

the trucker awakened me in the early a.m. to come into the house for a shower & food [nice house inside!] -- the wife was getting ready for work -- she had her name tag on, & i saw that the last name was 'Saucerman' -- i said, 'As in --?' -- she nodded --

meanwhile the husband was somewhere in the house & i never saw him -- i think perhaps he knew that i would make him -- recognize him as an ET -- but i sure felt under distant scrutiny while in the house

if i am right & they are being placed into their own little communities -- & also scattered here & there, no doubt -- it must be nice to start life on planet Earth w/unlimited cash

[Star Tsar]

I am A human Hybrid amongst y'all
;)

[mountain_jim]

I hope you choose to continue, wynderer.

[bekrah]

I also hope you choose to continue with this thread Wynderer, I am interested in what you have to say. :)

[GoodETxSG]

I also hope you choose to continue with this thread Wynderer, I am interested in what you have to say. :)

It looks like she is back, this thread is just getting started... We are good to go!

[wynderer]

yes, i did read it , Renee -- the other Reptilians -- other sizes, other colors, slight variations in formation -- all serve the Dracos

ask yourself -- in a war in which deception plays a heavy part , who stands to gain by saying there are 'good' reptilians here on planet Earth ?

& btw -- i personally do not use the terms 'good' or 'bad' in re the Reptilians, Greys, etc -- evil is another topic, one that most of you Humans do a REALLY good job of ignoring -- i am coming to think that all the Greys -- & i may be wrong -- are conquered races in the growing Reptilian Empire --

when i write about the 2 self-descibed Grey clones i have met, & got to know very well, each of them -- i feel sorry for them --

& yes -- it seems that all the satanic rituals at hi levels involve Reptilians -- i know what i think is evil -- but not all see things the same way





sigh -- bad guidance i guess to start out w/'characteristics' -- i'd rather you folks be talking about what i believe is a heavy duty placement of beings inimical to the survival of the Human race -- but hey -- if you guys aren't interested, i'll leave this thread to y'all

ummm did you see my post #14
and though a bit of a tangent - but blood types and Myers Briggs are all apart of why we / they do what they do. There is a correlation in patterns in personality profiling as well.

I do believe that the Dracos' actually have had a huge negative impact with the world as we know it. They are the control freaks of the galaxy and they are the warring line of the species of reptilians. They are where the term 'Draconian laws' originated.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draconian
"Draconian is an adjective meaning great severity, that derives from Draco, an Athenian law scribe under whom small offences had heavy punishments (Draconian laws)." I was trying to avoid that since you felt you might be apart of that line. But frankly they are the line that is messing up this planet big time! lol

[wynderer]

by all means, pls open up that can of worms, if you wish too -- i'm especially interested in your use of the term 'ET refugees' -- ???



However this will also open up another off topic can of worms about other Human appearing ET refugees and infiltrators that are here that I know that the Military is aware of.

[GoodETxSG]

Yea, I know there are SEVERAL different races of what we call Grays, some not at all genetically related to the others and look and behave differently (Not sure of/if they have any allegiances to either side). Some races do slip through the cracks being from different sectors of the Galaxy, Time Lines or elsewhere.

I believe that the Grays (We commonly encounter and discuss) that WERE conquered by the Rep's do work for them as master scientists, but some (Very Few) of them are secretly a bit rogue and are working for and against the Reps in very secretive covert ways.

[GoodETxSG]

by all means, pls open up that can of worms, if you wish too -- i'm especially interested in your use of the term 'ET refugees' -- ???


There are many species that have been displaced by war or self destruction of their worlds. They have spread out in all directions looking for a place to live in peace and have been given asylum here in exchange for Intel... kind of a Witness Protection Program. Some are here from different scenarios and with different objectives. It is a very complicated spectrum of situations. There are different factions of Earth based Humans that are working their own angles for both malevolent and benevolent reasons. But let’s start off with your topic and see if they bleed into each other from misconceptions or alliances. Please continue about the Hybrids and Clones and their agenda as you have experienced… since you have conversed with them on several occasions.

[doodah]

Wynderer, I'm following this thread with interest although I might not comment. I'm here more for learning what you have to say, so I hope you will not become discouraged. (BTW I lived in Syracuse for 35 years. Now I'm in Virginia and I'm also asking where all the people are coming from. It seems like every town has had a population explosion and there are WAY too many cars and trucks fouling the air.)

* Can you address the environmental destruction going on unabated on this planet? Is Earth being "terraformed" for the hybrids so the humans will die off because we can't take the poisons in the air, water, and food? Is Fukushima being left to deliberately make North America radioactive -- there isn't much of a worldwide effort to clean it up, as one might think there would be. Also the Gulf of Mexico, that horrible ongoing story -- all the poisons!

* As a tall, model-beautiful and smart woman, how have you been able to relate to us Hobbits? I mean short people, not beautiful by "model" standards.

Please continue with your descriptions. It's fascinating.

[wynderer]

There are many species that have been displaced by war or self destruction of their worlds. They have spread out in all directions looking for a place to live in peace and have been given asylum here in exchange for Intel... kind of a Witness Protection Program. Some are here from different scenarios and with different objectives. It is a very complicated spectrum of situations. There are different factions of Earth based Humans that are working their own angles for both malevolent and benevolent reasons. But let’s start off with your topic and see if they bleed into each other from misconceptions or alliances. Please continue about the Hybrids and Clones and their agenda as you have experienced… since you have conversed with them on several occasions.

already my little alarm bells are sounding re the 'refugees' -- like, who runs this planet & who decides who gets in or out -- actually this subject ties in w/one of the Grey clones i mentioned so i'll leave this discussion till then

OK -- here's my Boulder hybrid stories

while living in Boulder i met quite a few Denverites -- the USA West Coast NWO center & the home of the DEnver Int'l 'Airport'--

several were convinced that they had worked w/or otherwise met an alien [ET] in Human form -- one young man roomed w/someone in college -- one of the things he observed was that , in a pick-up basketball game on a hot day, all the other guys were dripping w/sweat, but the ET guy was dry -- [that old saying --' Pigs sweat, men perspire, & ladies glow ' -- i am not much of a glow-er -- my Rep DNA i guess]

in Boulder i became friends w/a young man -- in his 30s -- has at least one book out published by Random House -- i read the first -- quite good -- we would hang out on Sunday mornings sometimes & have breakfast together

not tall, but very good-looking -- according to some young women his age i knew, a hottie -- & incredibly strong -- as he demonstrated for me one day -- the published book speaks for his intelligence -- & perhaps it speaks for the doors opening thing

[another characteristic of hybrids i just thought of -- strong bones in the face -- hi cheekbones & defined jawbones -- i have wondered, since they have 'given us their minds, ' as Castenada says, if they have imposed their standards of Human beauty on Human perceptions -]-

back to my young friend -- 3 experiences w/him -- i can't remember which came first --

i was on the phone w/him when outside the window [i had an unobstructed view of the Rockies -- the building i was in was built before Boulder passed height restrictions] between my ap't & the Rockies & [about 20 blocks away -- i walked it one day] , pretty high up, i saw a large glowing orb of light

one time he wanted to come over in the evening -- said he had something specific he wanted to tell me -- it was a horrific story of multi-generational sexual abuse at a Baptist summer camp somewhere in our South [USA] -- it had been done to an uncle & maybe more members of his family --- as i recall, he was about 8 yrs old when the following occurred -


they had a 'kissing booth' for the children of all ages, where little boys & girls would go in . pull the curtains , & 'kiss' [poor babies...] -- my friend was given some Kool-Ade to drink -- the last thing he remembers was being on a swing

then he woke up to see that he was in the minister's office -- & a 'priest' was pulling up his pants after anally raping & who knows what else to my friend, as he was out for a couple of hours -- i kept on saying , 'the Baptists don't have priests' -- he would just say 'he was a priest'

some Avalon members are well aware of the connection between pedophilia -- child sexual molestation -- & satanism & the Reptilians...

as he was talking -- we were sitting in dim light as he'd requested -- i saw him shapeshift, or at least kind of morph into a Reptilian [a good-looking one -- i know that sounds odd, but the Reptilians of course have a standard of beauty for themselves as well as for the Humans they choose]

i did not tell him about seeing this that night -- it was obviously very difficult for him to tell me his story

another time when he was visiting -- btw, i should say that he is very aware of the NWO etc -- we were talking about the big changes ahead for all of us -- & then he said something very odd -- looking out my window directly at a place on one of the mountains where i had seen some strange stuff -- about a 'Prince' who would run [rule over, if a prince] the area we were living in when everything had settled down on planet Earth -- this astounded me, as i'd thought we were on the same page re hierarchy
& he would not respond to my trying to talk about it

then he told me another time that the horrific sexual abuse he'd endured [older man w/young boy] was an honored rite of initiation in some cultures [like Sai Baba's lies -- they are all over this planet]

i'm like 'Uh-oh -- mind control at work here'

i finally decided to tell him about seeing him kind of morph into a very sleek Reptilian -- he got really quiet & shut down -- but he did not deny it -- & immediately after he broke off connection w/me

writing this out is helping me remember things i'd forgotten -- like, i'd forgotten about my young author ex-friend now [alas -- it was OK w/me if he shape shifted now & then -- i'm up for a dialogue on equal terms w/the Reptilians

i welcome all comments --

[wynderer]

Hi Doodah [as in 'the camptown ladies sing this song' - ? ] -- had to chuckle at the 'Hobbit' -- my ex used to say that he was a Hobbit -- a good Human being -- tho he refused to ever talk about the UFO i made him look at & see

but you hit on something here -- the hybrids i have known who are dominated by their Reptilian genes/DNA --there is arrogance & the ability to be very cruel & cutting w/words -- very aware that they are a cut above -- i used to see one of them have fun playing w/unsuspecting persons' minds, & enjoying it

re how i feel about you real, untampered-with Humans -- & i don't believe that 'we are all ETs' -- many many souls have been trapped here for a long long time [by Earth standards] --milennia of re-incarnating over & over in Earth Human bodies, w/almost all memories of past lives wiped out, & little to no choice re where they incarnate -- certainly they have not been allowed out of the Matrix surrounding this planet

i don't know if you read my abduction story -- i got VERY ANGRY when my abductor Reptilian telepathically gave me the info re use of the control panel he was showing me -- i got angry -- & then lost consciousness-when i grokked that part of the panel had gizmos that could be used to control & even kill large groups of Humans, from quite a ways out there above Earth

Earth is your rightful planet -- the Earth human body was made by the Creator, & has been tampered w/ a lot since then -- you were given an abundance of energy -- creative energy -- & a beautiful planet in which to enjoy your bodies, your senses, & the joy of creating -- becoming co-creators w/God, as Mr Cayce used to say -- you have SOUL --

it's hard to picture a Reptilian getting out on the dance floor & shakin' it up [Greys could do fussy little synchronized line dances]

re the destruction of planet Earth -- or rather the turning her into a barren sterile planet -- my theory is that the Reptilian Empire is planning to turn Earth into a kind of battle station, from which they can continue their conquest of wherever they are planning to go next -- w/long range, hi tech weapons, open terrain is easier to defend & maintain --

what a way for Earth Humans to wake up to the fact that we are not alone in the galaxy -- by learning that they are collateral damage in some galactic or inter-galactic war


Wynderer, I'm following this thread with interest although I might not comment. I'm here more for learning what you have to say, so I hope you will not become discouraged. (BTW I lived in Syracuse for 35 years. Now I'm in Virginia and I'm also asking where all the people are coming from. It seems like every town has had a population explosion and there are WAY too many cars and trucks fouling the air.)

* Can you address the environmental destruction going on unabated on this planet? Is Earth being "terraformed" for the hybrids so the humans will die off because we can't take the poisons in the air, water, and food? Is Fukushima being left to deliberately make North America radioactive -- there isn't much of a worldwide effort to clean it up, as one might think there would be. Also the Gulf of Mexico, that horrible ongoing story -- all the poisons!

* As a tall, model-beautiful and smart woman, how have you been able to relate to us Hobbits? I mean short people, not beautiful by "model" standards.

Please continue with your descriptions. It's fascinating.

[Space_Ace]

Very interesting thread, got some questions.

1. Are all grays, dracos and reps "service to self"? What about their hybrids?
2. To everyone in this thread, do you consider ETs a belief or an actual fact? When will we see disclosure, this year?
3. How do ETs shape shift and do they still look human or like an animal?
4. Seems like the standard for "beauty" is a tall, somewhat anorexic model, but I would imagine most men like shorter, curvy women?
5. I thought that the positive ETs have removed all negative ETs a few years ago and destroyed their bunkers in 2011?
6. What are your predictions for the rest of this year(mass arrests, NESARA, disclosure, ascension), will it be as glorious as the Mayans predict?

[wynderer]

Space_Ace -- if you don't know that ETs are real & here, i'm not interested in the rest of your questions

i don't make 'predictions' -- if i have a dream or vision of the future, i pay attention to it but don't focus on it

nice little dig about the 'anorexic-- & yes, some men do like more flesh on their women -- i celebrate the love & physical attraction that un-messed with real Humans have for one another


Very interesting thread, got some questions.

1. Are all grays, dracos and reps "service to self"? What about their hybrids?
2. To everyone in this thread, do you consider ETs a belief or an actual fact? When will we see disclosure, this year?
3. How do ETs shape shift and do they still look human or like an animal?
4. Seems like the standard for "beauty" is a tall, somewhat anorexic model, but I would imagine most men like shorter, curvy women?
5. I thought that the positive ETs have removed all negative ETs a few years ago and destroyed their bunkers in 2011?
6. What are your predictions for the rest of this year(mass arrests, NESARA, disclosure, ascension), will it be as glorious as the Mayans predict?

[Heather2017]

Hi Wyn. May I ask for your thoughts about the idea that human/reptilian hybrids were created to help a reptilian race that had become alienated from God? Hybridization allows this reptilian race to incarnate into beings that can feel and reconnect with soul. Unfortunately most members of this race do not want to rehabilitated. They hate the Kryst energy.

Thank you for your thought provoking posts.

Love,
Heather

[Heather2017]

...And you guys you have to realize that the chances of any of us being a hybrid is close to a zero chance. Most of these hybrid critters hold very important positions in politics, in finances, military etc. and they don't waste their time chatting in forums such as this one. They have very important roles to play, and very important decisions and plans to make, like 'how to effectively destroy this naive human civilization so that they can finally take over this planet asap'.

I respectfully disagree.

[wynderer]

Hi Heather -- this is another lie, imo -- the Greys use it also -- my understanding is that the Reptilians have quite a high opinion of themselves re their place in the Universe -- they respect & honor good warrior skills & intelligence -- also they are quite proud of their looks -- one might say vain

but the connection to the Creator is not a part of their interests -- they like this whole war & conquest deal they have going on

wyn


Hi Wyn. May I ask for your thoughts about the idea that human/reptilian hybrids were created to help a reptilian race that had become alienated from God? Hybridization allows this reptilian race to incarnate into beings that can feel and reconnect with soul. Unfortunately most members of this race do not want to rehabilitated. They hate the Kryst energy.

Thank you for your thought provoking posts.

Love,
Heather

[Heather2017]

Couldn't both be true? What you've said is consistent with not seeing the need for rehabilitation. Agree that connection to Creator is not part of their interests.

Honestly you seem to be an example of a successful hybrid who has good qualities of both reptilians and humans...

[wynderer]

[
Wynderer: Wynderer, are hybrids also considered narcissists? The description of the hybrids sounded like they should also be described as having a self-centered personality. Thankfully I am not a hybrid. And you guys you have to realize that the chances of any of us being a hybrid is close to a zero chance. Most of these hybrid critters hold very important positions in politics, in finances, military etc. and they don't waste their time chatting in forums such as this one. They have very important roles to play, and very important decisions and plans to make, like 'how to effectively destroy this naive human civilization so that they can finally take over this planet asap'.

wow -- you guys are good -- now i'm an anorexic narcissist pretending to be a hybrid so i can impress Avalon members

guess i should get a life, huh?

[Space_Ace]

Space_Ace -- if you don't know that ETs are real & here, i'm not interested in the rest of your questions
i don't make 'predictions' -- if i have a dream or vision of the future, i pay attention to it but don't focus on it
nice little dig about the 'anorexic-- & yes, some men do like more flesh on their women -- i celebrate the love & physical attraction that un-messed with real Humans have for one another


I have never seen any UFOs, signs nor hard evidence of ETs personally, but I remain open minded to the belief of ETs and want to learn as much as I can because I believe in the possibility of disclosure, perhaps even this year. We have been hearing about ETs disclosing themselves for decades by now. Most people, including my parents flat out dismiss ETs and believe we are alone in the universe. Theres billions of stars and planets in our galaxy alone so it's extremely likely that there's life out there in our galaxy and in virtually every other galaxy too.

There's a controversy surrounding the anorectic models and how they are a bad influence on young women who strive to be that anorexic look. A normal BMI should be 20 to 27.5 or so, not as low as 18.5 like the corrupt medical establishment claims. As for messed up humans, 95% are still brainwashed and close minded. I am doing my best to wake myself more and more and learning all I can about the possibility of the big four: mass arrests, prosperity funds, disclosure, ascension. Many people, even on this forum think either nothing will happen or we are all doomed by end of this year.

[Cilka]

[
Wynderer: Wynderer, are hybrids also considered narcissists? The description of the hybrids sounded like they should also be described as having a self-centered personality. Thankfully I am not a hybrid. And you guys you have to realize that the chances of any of us being a hybrid is close to a zero chance. Most of these hybrid critters hold very important positions in politics, in finances, military etc. and they don't waste their time chatting in forums such as this one. They have very important roles to play, and very important decisions and plans to make, like 'how to effectively destroy this naive human civilization so that they can finally take over this planet asap'.

wow -- you guys are good -- now i'm an anorexic narcissist pretending to be a hybrid so i can impress Avalon members

guess i should get a life, huh?

It's just a question, it was not meant to put down anyone. I think that the only way anyone can find out if they are a hybrid, is with a DNA test, but then you would also have to know what to look for in this test. The human mind is constantly trying to make sense of one's reality here in 3D world, and it can be quite creative in doing so. Also, the human mind wants to naturally feel more special, so it comes up with all kinds of stories, but no proof. Even David Wilcock wants to feel more special, so he came up with the idea that he is a reincarnated Edgar Cayce; he has no proof that he is Edgar but people believe him.

And Wynderer, the best way to learn is to have as many people say to you that 'maybe just maybe you could be wrong because ........'. If everyone agreed with you NONE OF US WOULD LEARN ANYTHING. It's just a game we all play in this reality.

[GoodETxSG]

If a person only experiences ONLY two different sides or teams they only know of these two teams... There are a lot of "Free Agents" and totally random groups and species out there that are not aligned to the masters of our arm of the Galaxy. They run the gammett of good and evil or sociopathic (Emotionally) by OUR standards. I just want it to be clear that there are MANY MANY more beings out there. They visit but not in force and their "Homes" and Military Resources (If they even have them) are far far away. Some are here on fact finding missions and others are just popping from star gate to star gate exploring out curiosity and dealing with the wonders and dangers as they go. PLEASE try not to put limitations on what is out there and what is visiting here. The Military doesn't pay much mind to the ones that visit and do not have a stake in our destinies or a flag planted anywhere in our realm. Just a thought, these other beings are not deceptions or lies... delusions to take our eye off of the battle... they are just passing through and stop by to check things out. Some leave AI probes and move on others just move on. There are as many different reactions to what is going on here as there are beings teaming the local Galaxy and beyond. Let’s not try to put EVERYTHING in a box and jumble it all together. I hope that makes sense. There are many visitors here for different reasons and some of them have totally agreed to be like Switzerland and others just do their own thing not making any agreements and pay no attention to other beings that we find powerful and scary... they treat them like annoying insects like many of the beings and the breakaway societies do to us.

[Flash]

Wynderer, please go on, I am not comenting but I am reading.

[wynderer]

FYI, when i look back at my life, mostly i see how frequently i have been a complete dumbass -- latest DA move was attempting to communicate thru this forum -- any forum

i have tried to write only from my personal experiences

i have shared a lot tho i am a very private person

what a loony bin planet

[Rantaak]

Looks like only the bad ones get the press.

For the good ones must perform their work in obscurity.

As such, mildly illumined folk such as yourselves continue to argue about something you know so little about.

Every human being is a hybrid.

[wynderer]

another good one from Zebra

Please, if you are triggered by this material, you feel negative reactions bubbling up and the need to express annihilation energy, please take a breath and ask yourself why?

what the h is 'annihilation energy'? --

like i said, this is getting very tiresome -- no support from any mods or admin tho i requested help quite some time ago

[wynderer]

a clipped article i found on Duncan O'Finioan's blog --

http://duncanofinioan.wordpress.com/

Cosmic Detox and the Crumbling Matrix
Wednesday, April 25th, 2012
by Zen Gardner

Having any weird experiences lately? Good and bad? It appears these vibrational changes and the accompanying wake up are having some freaky consequences. Is the matrix breaking up and releasing its captive energies?

It’s nothing to fear.

Strange things are going to abound as we move into this next phase. Don’t be alarmed, but as the matrix starts to crack it will yield up caged energies of all types, again good and bad. It really is nothing to worry about but if you’re prone to fear it would be helpful to be near stronger people and/or spend extra time reading and watching uplifting information.

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Weird Stuff
The spiritual is very much the same. Those new to this may not have much background in the existence of spiritual energies, influences and entities. They’re real but nothing to fear unless you’re carelessly fooling around with them. So be careful. Some have been loosed and are looking for homes.

The realm of occult divination can be dangerous without a thorough background in the occult sciences and a strong, conscious hand on the controls.

Don’t look for it, but don’t be surprised if weird stuff becomes more frequent, like sensing entities around you or strange experiences. It’s just stuff getting released. The good energy far outweighs the negative so stay in that lit vibrational stream if that type of awareness comes.

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Warning: More Signs in Every Day Life
Meanwhile, things are getting stranger in the every day world. Are you noticing people staggering around in parking lots looking for their cars or the shop entrance…just barely making it? There’s a serious degradation of life going on and so slowly no one seems to notice.

Driving continues to get wilder as people continue to grow more nervous. Again, there will be increased irrational, erratic behavior so beware. It won’t make any sense and you may want to “steer clear” of anything giving off that signal, including people acting strangely.

Reason won’t be a recourse.

You might have read about the woman in Denver Airport who stripped down to nothing the other day, or the businessman who started cutting himself saying “they’re coming for me”, similar to the pilot that lost it with a similar mantra, freaking out his passengers who then subdued him.

It’s a cumulative effect that’s reaching a critical point with people. Just be aware of these possibilities is all I’m saying so you won’t be taken by surprise.

That’s just practical advice, and maybe it will help you keep an objective, conscious viewpoint instead of getting sucked into the confusion drama. It’s sure helping me keep a lookout.


Conclusion
Fear not, but pay attention. See things for what they are. The effects will be clear.

The lines dividing and defining realms of perception are going to be blurred and fading in and out.

My advice…be circumspect. A lot will be revealed and some of it will be pretty disconcerting. No worries when you keep it in perspective.

Be vigilant and proactive.

Much love,

Zen

www.zengardner.com

[wynderer]

i see what Zen Gardner writes about happening in the 3D [ non-virtual ] world -- lots of irrational behaviour, & people saying senseless non-sequitors in the middle of a conversation & apparently not even knowing they are doing it

i thought i'd find more awake & aware people here -- i have found some , & some good & caring people too

but also that bizarre behaviour, here on the forum as in the 'real' world

i did come to Avalon to try to wake more people up re the threat -- as i see it, i did my best -- but it's not worth the hassle & the aggravation -- i'm losing interest in forums --Avalon is the best in terms of fewer nasty people -- but all the info here i can find myself on the net -- i also don't care for forums where the admin & mods sit watching w/o interacting

this is a relief for me -- & i can thank Avalon -- to be finally freed of the feeling that i HAVE to wake them up -- waking up to the fact that most likely you are going to be wiped out as a species, & those of you still here will no longer be recognizably Human

it's in the Creator's hands --

[doodah]

Advice from a Hobbit: Compassion, but not stupidity!

For many years I was very angry with people who refused to wake up. Then at some point I just stopped being angry. I remembered some of my own physical sleep experiences where I STRUGGLED to wake up - physically, to literally open my eyes. This has not happened to me for a while now, but there were many episodes when I KNEW I was trying to get my body to wake up but it wouldn't. It was like trying to lift my arm out of goo, or tar, or some heavy substance. These struggles went on for what seemed like a long time, each time - 5 minutes or more. Sometimes I would give up and fall back to sleep, other times I would persist in the struggle until I WRENCHED myself awake.

Given how hard that was, and taking it symbolically, I have given up thinking I "need to wake them up" and now just look upon the Sheeple with compassion. I know they're not going to do things that would be helpful in this fight. They don't have the awareness and they don't have the guts. They're not going to file their taxes with a statement that they're filing "Under Duress" [we're ALL under duress re taxes - we're all under threat of being put in jail]; they're not going to refuse to give 50% of their taxes to the military which just keeps developing ever more horrendous weapons; they're not going to make a fuss. They're not going to stand a line against these huge forces.

I don't even know what the awakened ones among us can really do! If "holding the light" in a spiritual sense is really making a difference, then some of us are doing that, and doing it in some really tough places. Other than that, Wynderer, what can we do?

I can think of lots of things, actions -- none of them destructive or harmful -- that would make a HUGE impact on the Sheeple and really shake them up, but I don't believe any of that is going to happen. All I know is that the Mayan Calendar does not end in destruction, and of all the myths, I choose that one. I choose Timeline One in all my actions, where *something happens* and we become free. What that is, I don't know.

At least each of us can choose to go out with a free soul. [not saying it's easy, but it can be done]

[delfine]

i see what Zen Gardner writes about happening in the 3D [ non-virtual ] world -- lots of irrational behaviour, & people saying senseless non-sequitors in the middle of a conversation & apparently not even knowing they are doing it

i thought i'd find more awake & aware people here -- i have found some , & some good & caring people too

but also that bizarre behaviour, here on the forum as in the 'real' world

i did come to Avalon to try to wake more people up re the threat -- as i see it, i did my best -- but it's not worth the hassle & the aggravation -- i'm losing interest in forums --Avalon is the best in terms of fewer nasty people -- but all the info here i can find myself on the net -- i also don't care for forums where the admin & mods sit watching w/o interacting

this is a relief for me -- & i can thank Avalon -- to be finally freed of the feeling that i HAVE to wake them up -- waking up to the fact that most likely you are going to be wiped out as a species, & those of you still here will no longer be recognizably Human

it's in the Creator's hands --

Wynderer I understand why you feel like that. It´s tempting to not give a damn anymore due to the ingratitude, negativity and general imbecility. But this is how it is. We cannot afford to let ourselves be disappointed. Those who have something valuable to contribute must go in spite of it all. I mean what´s the alternative? This is our big challenge to find a spirit of community and cooperation, and not let ourselves get discouraged by petty disagreements/misunderstandings. If we don´t realise the importance of that now, when will we?

There are people here who appreciate your thread, kindly focus on that instead of the random negativity...

[wynderer]

thanks for reminding me that it all comes down to Love -- like the Tina Turner song from Mad Max --'Love & compassion ... their day is coming ...'

you Hobbits are pretty durn smart! (:


Advice from a Hobbit: Compassion, but not stupidity!

For many years I was very angry with people who refused to wake up. Then at some point I just stopped being angry. I remembered some of my own physical sleep experiences where I STRUGGLED to wake up - physically, to literally open my eyes. This has not happened to me for a while now, but there were many episodes when I KNEW I was trying to get my body to wake up but it wouldn't. It was like trying to lift my arm out of goo, or tar, or some heavy substance. These struggles went on for what seemed like a long time, each time - 5 minutes or more. Sometimes I would give up and fall back to sleep, other times I would persist in the struggle until I WRENCHED myself awake.

Given how hard that was, and taking it symbolically, I have given up thinking I "need to wake them up" and now just look upon the Sheeple with compassion. I know they're not going to do things that would be helpful in this fight. They don't have the awareness and they don't have the guts. They're not going to file their taxes with a statement that they're filing "Under Duress" [we're ALL under duress re taxes - we're all under threat of being put in jail]; they're not going to refuse to give 50% of their taxes to the military which just keeps developing ever more horrendous weapons; they're not going to make a fuss. They're not going to stand a line against these huge forces.

I don't even know what the awakened ones among us can really do! If "holding the light" in a spiritual sense is really making a difference, then some of us are doing that, and doing it in some really tough places. Other than that, Wynderer, what can we do?

I can think of lots of things, actions, that would make a HUGE impact on the Sheeple and really shake them up, but I don't believe any of that is going to happen. All I know is that the Mayan Calendar does not end in destruction, and of all the myths, I choose that one. I choose Timeline One in all my actions, where *something happens* and we become free. What that is, I don't know.

At least each of us can choose to go out with a free soul. [not saying it's easy, but it can be done]

[wynderer]

F1FPK5-Rm38

[wynderer]

another good one

-0QBxwRhAmA

[wynderer]

& the ultimate Human Liberation song...

w8KQmps-Sog

[Delight]

FYI, when i look back at my life, mostly i see how frequently i have been a complete dumbass -- latest DA move was attempting to communicate thru this forum -- any forum

i have tried to write only from my personal experiences

i have shared a lot tho i am a very private person

what a loony bin planet

I read your posts with interest. I have had some trusted people share stories that ring true with some of what you have experienced. I wonder, do you know of anything about eye color...specifically yellow (not blue or green...a distinct yellow gold iris color)?

[Realeyes]

Dear Wynderer,

I have only had time to read up to post 70. I have to go in a moment because it is my 15 year old's birthday and it is time to open her presents, and 'happy memories' building for her. If it was anything else, I would cancel it to continue reading your posts. I was on the other thread when the original question came up - so I am all ears.

I have come in late to this thread. I just want to say that I am very, very interested to know more and I hope when I return tomorrow to read the rest of the posts that you will still be here and sharing, as I truly would like to know from your perspective.

I have a burning question, something I have wanted to ask for many, many years, but have not met the right person to ask the question to. I do believe (energy wise) you are the person. I will PM you tomorrow if that is okay?

Thank you again for sharing your story; I joined Avalon for 'first hand experiencers' sharing their stories. I like many others look forward in reading your next posts.

Yours sincerely
Realeyes

[wynderer]

FYI, when i look back at my life, mostly i see how frequently i have been a complete dumbass -- latest DA move was attempting to communicate thru this forum -- any forum

i have tried to write only from my personal experiences

i have shared a lot tho i am a very private person

what a loony bin planet

I read your posts with interest. I have had some trusted people share stories that ring true with some of what you have experienced. I wonder, do you know of anything about eye color...specifically yellow (not blue or green...a distinct yellow gold iris color)?

Hi Delight -- love your avatar

how embarrassing -- my temper tantrum being quoted (: -- there sure were some weird energies here last night

i'm not sure whose eye colors you are referring to -- i'll be glad to answer any questions -- i don't think i'll be able to answer this one --

i hope i have not come off sounding like i think i'm an expert or carry all knowledge about ETs -- one of the reasons we go to forums [ & come back to them after trying to find intelligent conversation out there in the 3D world, or after we lose our tempers ] is to learn from others

i see now it was a mistake to begin this thread w/a description of the characteristics of Reptilian/Human hybrids -- i've been thinking about this, & surely buried in the collective Human unconscious is some programming that Humans are inferior to the Reptilians

most in Earth Human bodies at this time are souls who have been trapped into reincarnating on Earth over & over again, which means that at least once you have lived in a civilization that overtly worshipped 'gods' in the form of serpents, dragons, crocodiles, birds, etc -- see Houman's Archon thread for a very thorough examination of this

these lives, & the fear & respect you gave them are still buried in your unconscious -- they certainly work on individual abductees to brainwash us into believing that they created us & are our 'gods' --Matt DElooze, whose first story was on David Icke's site, has written a lot of articles about how the Reptilians collect & gather Human energy [for food] at rituals like the Olympics, 'royal' coronations, etc

he has a saying -- Emotional respect equals spiritual energy -- when you give them respect, you feed them --

i might add that Earth is a lovely planet -- she is just as imprisoned as all of us -- when i say trapped on Earth, i am not dissing Earth

anyway, i wish i'd started the thread differently

¤=[Post Update]=¤

Hi Realeyes -- i had the same feeling when reading your posts, that i would learn something from you -- i also came back to Avalon hoping to meet other experiencers -- it seems that we are waking up & finding each other

i look forward to your pm --HB to your daughter

wyn


Dear Wynderer,

I have only had time to read up to post 70. I have to go in a moment because it is my 15 year old's birthday and it is time to open her presents, and 'happy memories' building for her. If it was anything else, I would cancel it to continue reading your posts. I was on the other thread when the original question came up - so I am all ears.

I have come in late to this thread. I just want to say that I am very, very interested to know more and I hope when I return tomorrow to read the rest of the posts that you will still be here and sharing, as I truly would like to know from your perspective.

I have a burning question, something I have wanted to ask for many, many years, but have not met the right person to ask the question to. I do believe (energy wise) you are the person. I will PM you tomorrow if that is okay?

Thank you again for sharing your story; I joined Avalon for 'first hand experiencers' sharing their stories. I like many others look forward in reading your next posts.

Yours sincerely
Realeyes

[GoodETxSG]

:peace:

Hello, after taking time to go and re-center myself and meditate I wanted to apologize to ALL Avalon members for my posts in this Thread. I am extremely disappointed in myself for allowing myself to be pulled into some behavior that I normally chastise. I am very upset with myself about it very very much so.

I am Human and am weak and break down as everyone else does when it comes down to it and I recognize my failings.

I apologize for any hurt or discomfort I brought to anyone in this thread or this site. I will try to take my own advice to not be reactionary and to think things through and to let wisdom sink in from whatever source it may come from before I respond to future posts, even ones with daggers pointed at me.

Thank you all and have a good night of peaceful rest and dreams.
I LOVE YOU!
Corey

Corey, there is no need to appologize. Most people don't realize that we truly are going through the most important changes in our universal time, many people have said that they know this but in their hearts they don't truly feel it (if there is a time that actually exists, but lets assume that it does exist in our 3D reality) and during these times in order to truly grow as a soul, a person must not deny its existence and its free spirit. We have to start respecting our true selves because the higher self has always pushed us (we failed to recognise this) throughout our reincarnations that in order to accept one's unique existence it is also important to express one's uniqueness completely freely, without any restrictions. We truly don't have time for the same games that we all have played throughout the ages, because there won't be another time. If we blow it this time, then there won't be another time to make it right, and we truly have that chance right now.

You have not hurt anyone, and neither have I, even though others are telling us that their feelings have been hurt with the choices of our words. I think that such individuals are denying the rest of us to express our true selves through words. Have you read Castaneda's books? I have read all of his books. What I loved the most about Don Juan is that he never ever ever held back his true self, and he did not give a damn about hurting someone else's feelings. Don Juan was an example of one of the greatest teachers of our reality; he understood that there were forces that denied the free spirit of others and he was not afraid to face these forces with his true self. And the reality is that here in this 3D world there are majority of individuals who want to prevent those free spirits from expressing their true selves by constantly coming up with ways to discredit their freedom of being themselves. When someone calls someone that he is a troll, well, you might as well call him a terrorist. Like Bush said, if you are with them and you don't support BUsh gang's bull**** then you are a terrorist. If you don't agree with me or him then you are a troll. Both ways try to shut people up.

Corey, by being nice to people constantly, by constantly monitoring what your heart desires to express so that just in case you will not hurt someone's feelings, you are doing the other person and yourself a disservice. Actually, I think that you are doing your higher self more harm than good. Personally, I am done with playing games that we have been forced to play for thousands of years. I want to be free of this enslavement. If someone does not like my choice of words right now, or in the past, then I can spell them all out to you in my mother language which is Slovak, and then maybe then the persons will understand where I stand. I respect my higher self, and nothing less.

Thank you, I appreciate you taking the time to write with me in mind. I understand where you are coming from. It was actually through my journey of connecting with my higher self over the last 25 years that I have developed a certain code of ethics. They were absolutely disregarded many times throughout my career and in life in general. I was not being true to myself. This lifetime I have a good idea what some of my lessons have been and need to be. Much is still unknown to me about my journey. However after spending time in deep meditation and self reflection I felt like I needed to apologize and take responsibility for my own actions. Others can choose to do the same or not. That is them dealing with their journey in their own ways. When connecting to my higher self and analyzing the whole situation taking in account that just as Iron does one human sharpens another. Thank you for the thoughtful post. If I propose to myself that I will lead by example for my family I have to hold myself to that standard in all forums or feel hypocritical. I hope you understand.
Thank you much,

[Debra]

another good one from Zebra

Please, if you are triggered by this material, you feel negative reactions bubbling up and the need to express annihilation energy, please take a breath and ask yourself why?

what the h is 'annihilation energy'? --

like i said, this is getting very tiresome -- no support from any mods or admin tho i requested help quite some time ago




Hi Wynderer,

'If you would like to view my original post again -- I have added a post update. The bulk of that post, after my opening paragraphs, was directed at the behaviour that was being thrown at you by others on this forum, which I thought was so unkind - from my point of view they were coming from a place of either ignorance and fear or, from a position of evil and cold intent to harm.

I don´t know, but either way they were not compassionate comments, and they were definitely destructive. Whether the person writing is conscious of this or not, the energy they were using was, I thought, attacking. I used the term: annihilation energy because I believed there was an intent to try and annihilate your beliefs - and therefore you. The attempt, from my point of view, was to invalidate your experience and your claims, to label them as worthless, null and void. That is what I mean by: annihilation energy.

I held back for ages while reading through the thread, and during the time period it was being actively responded to. Finally I took the decision to stand up and address the BS. I was - and still am - disappointed by this base behaviour. Frankly, I cannot believe that Avalon holds amongst its ranks people who want to behave this way, and most especially towards those who are sharing what I consider to be highly personal experiences.

Wynderer, you can stand up for yourself, I can see that. You are a survivor. And you are saying it as you know it. I feel you are being very transparent - there are no power games you are playing here. That to me is clear and a blast of fresh air. This is the power that `they ´ whoever they are - want to keep down.

Best wishes, Zebra

[wynderer]

thanks, Zebra -- it's no biggie to me that the topic of the clones & hybrids generated a flurry of posts designed to take the focus off the topic [things that make you go hmmm.... ] -- & i did not get my 'feelings hurt' --w/what i've been thru, it takes way more than that to 'hurt my feelings' -- & i was annoyed -- not quivering in pain from the darts being thrown at me

actually after i got offline that night, i was sitting here thinking & saying to myself, 'They are so STUPID!'

tho i see that Corey is still at it -- i read an article on Duncan O'Finiaon's blog about Naval Intel once being considered the best in our country, but they have been messing up lately -- i have to say, Corey -- if the level of self-awareness you've displayed in your posts is typical of all current & ex-Naval Intel guys & gals, i agree that you're slipping

that is, unless you do know what you're doing...

i'm dropping the topic of apologies, the weakness of being Human, etc -- if y'all want to do apology things, pls go to WhiteFeather's 'I'm Sorry' thread



another good one from Zebra

Please, if you are triggered by this material, you feel negative reactions bubbling up and the need to express annihilation energy, please take a breath and ask yourself why?

what the h is 'annihilation energy'? --

like i said, this is getting very tiresome -- no support from any mods or admin tho i requested help quite some time ago




Hi Wynderer,

'If you would like to view my original post again -- I have added a post update. The bulk of that post, after my opening paragraphs, was directed at the behaviour that was being thrown at you by others on this forum, which I thought was so unkind - from my point of view they were coming from a place of either ignorance and fear or, from a position of evil and cold intent to harm.

I don´t know, but either way they were not compassionate comments, and they were definitely destructive. Whether the person writing is conscious of this or not, the energy they were using was, I thought, attacking. I used the term: annihilation energy because I believed there was an intent to try and annihilate your beliefs - and therefore you. The attempt, from my point of view, was to invalidate your experience and your claims, to label them as worthless, null and void. That is what I mean by: annihilation energy.

I held back for ages while reading through the thread, and during the time period it was being actively responded to. Finally I took the decision to stand up and address the BS. I was - and still am - disappointed by this base behaviour. Frankly, I cannot believe that Avalon holds amongst its ranks people who want to behave this way, and most especially towards those who are sharing what I consider to be highly personal experiences.

Wynderer, you can stand up for yourself, I can see that. You are a survivor. And you are saying it as you know it. I feel you are being very transparent - there are no power games you are playing here. That to me is clear and a blast of fresh air. This is the power that `they ´ whoever they are - want to keep down.

Best wishes, Zebra

[wynderer]

Hi Heather -- no -- that's a lie, imo -- that hybrids are to help them get back to God -- look at the supersoldiers -- the ultimate hybrid success -- the ones waking up are suffering greatly because of the very un-Godly things they have been mind-controlled to do


Hi Wyn. May I ask for your thoughts about the idea that human/reptilian hybrids were created to help a reptilian race that had become alienated from God? Hybridization allows this reptilian race to incarnate into beings that can feel and reconnect with soul. Unfortunately most members of this race do not want to rehabilitated. They hate the Kryst energy.

Thank you for your thought provoking posts.

Love,
Heather

[Realeyes]

Hi Wynderer,

I so love your thread! Thank you for bringing it back on track and keeping with it – this is very valuable information! I admire your courage to share your experiences.

I have been waiting for this type of thread for a long time. I have read your posts twice now and will be re-reading again, they are so loaded. It is just ‘sods law’ that I have just done an exhausting, taxing weekend entertaining 27 unruly, hormonal teenagers that has totally exhausted my whole being and mind-state, and left me with a trashed house to clear up – so please excuse me if my questions below have already been answered in your posts and I missed it through tiredness.

If you have the time, I would love to know more regarding ‘Hybrids’ and also ‘morphing’ and if there is a difference to what it all ‘means’? Please feel free to break these questions up into different posts if you wish. Smile – any reply on your thread will be really appreciated.

In simple terms as I understand it, we all are co-creator god sparks of prime-creator-god/Source/Void/Isness (whatever one’s preference of term is), and have along the way in our unique spiritual journeys clothed ourselves in all types of ET bodies and explored many different expressions of form, consciousness, creativity and awareness. Earth as I understand it has been ‘seeded’ by many Star species and then re-seeded again and genetically modified etc, etc resulting along the way with many types of star seed mixes creating ‘hybrids’ or mixed Star races.

Questions regarding ‘Hybrids’:

(1) Could you please explain to me ‘your’ definition of a ‘hybrid’ and what (if any) differences there are to different mixed species of hybrids. For example, when you are using the term ‘Hybrid’, are you talking about a more specific ‘pure’ hybrid that has been ‘recently’ genetically modified’; as you have mentioned ‘super soldiers’ – AND is this ‘hybrid’ different to others in your perspective to those who tens of thousands of years ago were genetically modified that have since then naturally mated with other star seed hybrids that has ‘weakened or strengthened’ the genes (depending on one’s perspective), to created ‘natural’ hybrids so to speak? Are you talking about a newer hybrid or an ancient hybrid?

(2) There is a lot of talk on the internet regarding the Reptilian agenda, changing the atmosphere, bases being blown up, more laws and control, depopulation, galactic wars etc, etc. What is true and what is not is a ‘Gordian knot’ to unravel. Time is of the essence; so can you suggest for those who are new to this, any books, links, interviews etc where one can find useful information about the Reptilians, Hybrids etc to avoid the dross of disinformation and superstition?

(3) What is your personal opinion of the ‘original plan’ or ‘intent’ behind ‘hybrids’ here on Earth in this present Time? Is this intent of Hybrids finally to bring ‘true peace’ amongst our races or is there in your opinion a darker agenda going on, one that Kerry keeps mentioning in her recent interviews?

Regarding ‘Morphing’.

I have experienced on occasions human people I am speaking to suddenly appear to have transparent overlaying ‘morph’ effects of a reptilian behind them; Other times the person’s human face has like an overlay image that morphs outward creating the shape of a reptilian face extending past the human face. Do these two types of phenomena mean something different, or are they the same? On each example the human eyes become suddenly very dark and intense and hypnotising (if I choose to place my attention upon it).
What is this phenomenon? Is it any of the below three possibilities?

(1) A human person being controlled secretly by a 4D reptilian being, just like David Icke talks about? OR

(2) A reptilian hybrid that ‘blips’ at times because of the mixed genetics and accessing more dimensional awareness?

(3) Or is this actually more telling about the person who is actually ‘Observing’ such things – is their brain firing quicker to catch the nano-seconds of reality of a higher Hertzian frequency or is it straddling awareness now incorporating Inferred dimensional awareness?

Please take your time Wynderer in answering – that is, if these are ‘questions’ you are willing to answer.

I really appreciate this thread and genuinely would like to understand more. :happy:

Ps. I have more questions on clones but this can wait. Smile.

[Ria]

I am very keen to stay on topic and not have my time taken up els where.
This would be most appreciated.
Realeyes has asked some great questions.
Thank you.

[Rantaak]

Hi Wynderer,

I so love your thread! Thank you for bringing it back on track and keeping with it – this is very valuable information! I admire your courage to share your experiences.

I have been waiting for this type of thread for a long time. I have read your posts twice now and will be re-reading again, they are so loaded. It is just ‘sods law’ that I have just done an exhausting, taxing weekend entertaining 27 unruly, hormonal teenagers that has totally exhausted my whole being and mind-state, and left me with a trashed house to clear up – so please excuse me if my questions below have already been answered in your posts and I missed it through tiredness.

If you have the time, I would love to know more regarding ‘Hybrids’ and also ‘morphing’ and if there is a difference to what it all ‘means’? Please feel free to break these questions up into different posts if you wish. Smile – any reply on your thread will be really appreciated.

In simple terms as I understand it, we all are co-creator god sparks of prime-creator-god/Source/Void/Isness (whatever one’s preference of term is), and have along the way in our unique spiritual journeys clothed ourselves in all types of ET bodies and explored many different expressions of form, consciousness, creativity and awareness. Earth as I understand it has been ‘seeded’ by many Star species and then re-seeded again and genetically modified etc, etc resulting along the way with many types of star seed mixes creating ‘hybrids’ or mixed Star races.

Questions regarding ‘Hybrids’:

(1) Could you please explain to me ‘your’ definition of a ‘hybrid’ and what (if any) differences there are to different mixed species of hybrids. For example, when you are using the term ‘Hybrid’, are you talking about a more specific ‘pure’ hybrid that has been ‘recently’ genetically modified’; as you have mentioned ‘super soldiers’ – AND is this ‘hybrid’ different to others in your perspective to those who tens of thousands of years ago were genetically modified that have since then naturally mated with other star seed hybrids that has ‘weakened or strengthened’ the genes (depending on one’s perspective), to created ‘natural’ hybrids so to speak? Are you talking about a newer hybrid or an ancient hybrid?

(2) There is a lot of talk on the internet regarding the Reptilian agenda, changing the atmosphere, bases being blown up, more laws and control, depopulation, galactic wars etc, etc. What is true and what is not is a ‘Gordian knot’ to unravel. Time is of the essence; so can you suggest for those who are new to this, any books, links, interviews etc where one can find useful information about the Reptilians, Hybrids etc to avoid the dross of disinformation and superstition?

(3) What is your personal opinion of the ‘original plan’ or ‘intent’ behind ‘hybrids’ here on Earth in this present Time? Is this intent of Hybrids finally to bring ‘true peace’ amongst our races or is there in your opinion a darker agenda going on, one that Kerry keeps mentioning in her recent interviews?

Regarding ‘Morphing’.

I have experienced on occasions human people I am speaking to suddenly appear to have transparent overlaying ‘morph’ effects of a reptilian behind them; Other times the person’s human face has like an overlay image that morphs outward creating the shape of a reptilian face extending past the human face. Do these two types of phenomena mean something different, or are they the same? On each example the human eyes become suddenly very dark and intense and hypnotising (if I choose to place my attention upon it).
What is this phenomenon? Is it any of the below three possibilities?

(1) A human person being controlled secretly by a 4D reptilian being, just like David Icke talks about? OR

(2) A reptilian hybrid that ‘blips’ at times because of the mixed genetics and accessing more dimensional awareness?

(3) Or is this actually more telling about the person who is actually ‘Observing’ such things – is their brain firing quicker to catch the nano-seconds of reality of a higher Hertzian frequency or is it straddling awareness now incorporating Inferred dimensional awareness?

Please take your time Wynderer in answering – that is, if these are ‘questions’ you are willing to answer.

I really appreciate this thread and genuinely would like to understand more. :happy:

Ps. I have more questions on clones but this can wait. Smile.

Excellent questions and clarifications -

Many are confused about what it means to be a hybrid. In essence, humans have a reptilian complex. This comes from our mother Orion, the race that first came to this planet to mine its gold. It is an aspect of all of us. David Icke knows a lot, and even states in some of his writing that the "reptilians" are an allegorical concept, though most of his performances end up being absorbed as fear-mongering and severe light-sider PTSD syndrome (imbalance). The greater reptilians are in pure balance between good and evil. As I have alluded to before, they work mostly in obscurity. Hitler and Bush may have appeared as evil men, but really they have contributed more than most to the illumination of human consciousness (as the pendulum swings).

I don't know much about the face morphing that I've seen on youtube. I've seen it in person, but it's incredibly different looking. Much more soul-shattering. And horrifying. The most horrifying thing can be the truth - merely by virtue of its implications of the correlations of your hearts intuition. Such a display of power is truly a rare occurrence and is coincidentally incapable of appearing on youtube or video (to my knowledge).

Since we are all hybrids, I presume that when one directs attention to the term that they mean to indicate the particularly illuminated ones or the ones who have a deep connection to fate and time. There may be an agenda within the unknowingly insignificant fools running the government and cabals, but it is irrelevant to the ways of the greater beings that have incarnated on this planet - who have far more efficient ways of doing things. They are the ones who live in the advanced bodies - symptoms of which tend to be of extremely mixed blood... Not singular "blood-lines," as some may have lead us to believe. For example, my body has roots in Ireland, India, Pakistan, Nazareth, Sicily, Germany, Russia, Italy, Jerusalem, and possibly even Peru. This ties into the concept of a genetic experiment being the prerogative of Earth. Strength in Unity and Individuality.

Wetiko and Archons are what really differentiate some "humans" from others. These are the ones that have a peculiarly definite notion of their agenda while incarnated. Wetiko are usually imbalanced in terms of polarity, though they are still advanced enough to appear as teachers and gurus to many. Archons are like drug-dealers. Their occupation is in interfering with the evolution of consciousness.

The number one thing that you need to know is that eventually, we're all going to be fine. When you die in a dream, the pain fades quickly and you feel an overbearing sense of release. There is nothing greater to fear. Tide comes in, tide goes out. Some pontificate the weather patterns while others merely surf.

[Ammit]

Hi all

I would like to ask a few questions if I may regarding hybrids and different types amongst us.

Wynderer,,

I work with a lot of different people and have done for years, I have met those who seem different from the others in ways of quickness to judge, superiority beliefs, loving and trustfull and others that are plain evil with intent to just assist anyone in failiure.

As I believe we have hybrids etc amongst us and also have desire to be able to tell these different folk apart, could you, if you are willing, explain anyother known differences as in facial , body and personality differences please.

I have experienced strange feelings from some folk, and I think the worst was meeting someone (male ) who seemed to have a total lack of expression in the eyes, very protective of anything. This person reared up violently when some one asked to borrow a pen from him. I feel when some people are around but this fella I felt nothing, nadda zilch..... Almost as if they were not even there.

Thanks for your great efforts with this thread, It has my fullest attention.

Ammit

[wynderer]

thanks, Ria -- let's see how this round goes [wink, smile]

yes, those are good questions , Realeyes -- thank you -- so good to meet you

i hope i am not coming across as having all the answers -- by sharing info & experiences we can put some pieces of the puzzle in place, i think & hope -- like your pm's -- i will respond

tho i have noticed that all the women who have pm 'd me about experiences w/Reptilians -- we all seem to have to back off & pull away for awhile after trusting & sharing w/another some details -- i don't think any of us wants to stir more memories up, & we've been programmed not to remember anyway -- i do the back-away thing too

well, on to your first thought-provoking question

from Realeyes' post # 102
(1) [I]Could you please explain to me ‘your’ definition of a ‘hybrid’ and what (if any) differences there are to different mixed species of hybrids. For example, when you are using the term ‘Hybrid’, are you talking about a more specific ‘pure’ hybrid that has been ‘recently’ genetically modified’; as you have mentioned ‘super soldiers’ – AND is this ‘hybrid’ different to others in your perspective to those who tens of thousands of years ago were genetically modified that have since then naturally mated with other star seed hybrids that has ‘weakened or strengthened’ the genes (depending on one’s perspective), to created ‘natural’ hybrids so to speak? Are you talking about a newer hybrid or an ancient hybrid?

i have come to the conclusion that the only people on this Earth -- or should i say peoples-- who truly have 'benevolent' ET DNA in them are the Original Peoples of the Earth -- so-called aboriginals -- like the Dogon tribe in W Africa -- i recently read that the Cherokee knew about some little blue fish-looking guys & were at war w/them -- the Cherokee won [ tho the White man did them in ] -- many of our Native Americans know more about the Star People than they tell the world

i recently heard from a reliable source that the Mohawk Elders/Shamans are beginning to break their silence about the Reptilians, for instance

of course the NWO is doing its best to wipe out all the Original Peoples wherever they are -- competing DNA, perhaps, &/or fearing the higher energy that some of the 'seeded' [ kind of a weird word in light of the 'harvest' picking up speed ] tribes/people could access thru contact w/home base, whether planet or ship

i'd say that the NWO is now 'seeding' the Earth w/their Grey [& God knows what else] clones & w/the kinds of supersoldiers whom James Casbolt & Duncan O'Finiaon & Russ Dizdar & others are talking about -- the latest improved model, using the continally advancing technolgy that they are getting the Humans to make for them w/the valuable opposable thumbs [regressing technology, i'd call it ]

this is a crime against Humanity, what they are doing to children to turn them into these supersoldiers

but the kind of hybrids you & i are -- it's all about the bloodlines -- the Reptilian DNA -- it was customary in feudal days for the Lord to sire many 'bastards' & thus 'spread his seed' -- they keep track of those kids & their descendants also

it seems that the more Reptilian DNA in a Human, the more they control things so that you meet & mate w/someone else w/hi Reptilian DNA - like the inbred 'royal' families

it makes sense from a take-over-an-entire planet p.o.v.

what Humans seem to not want to see or accept is that they are another species of Earth's Animals -- originally created by the Creator -- & a beautiful Animal, too, w/that nifty straight spine w/the Chakras -- the other Animals have souls also -- the cruelty to the other Animals on this planet is part of your degrading & de-Humanizing

another form of 'seeding' going on is a soul 'walking in' to an Earth Human body -- there are some very un-ethical walk-ins going on right now -- mostly Greys, it seems

& there are a few of us here who volunteered to come into an Earth Human body during this time on Planet Earth from higher dimensions, or ETs who come from SPIRITUALLY advanced races to try to help in our various ways -- different missions -- some are the original soul [Starseeds], some walk-in [ethically] when the original soul 'walks out' of the body

a lot of us are targetted for abductions & have really awful childhoods

hope that made sense & answered your question, Realeyes

wyn

[GoodETxSG]

Hi all

I would like to ask a few questions if I may regarding hybrids and different types amongst us.

Wynderer,,

I work with a lot of different people and have done for years, I have met those who seem different from the others in ways of quickness to judge, superiority beliefs, loving and trustfull and others that are plain evil with intent to just assist anyone in failiure.

As I believe we have hybrids etc amongst us and also have desire to be able to tell these different folk apart, could you, if you are willing, explain anyother known differences as in facial , body and personality differences please.

I have experienced strange feelings from some folk, and I think the worst was meeting someone (male ) who seemed to have a total lack of expression in the eyes, very protective of anything. This person reared up violently when some one asked to borrow a pen from him. I feel when some people are around but this fella I felt nothing, nadda zilch..... Almost as if they were not even there.

Thanks for your great efforts with this thread, It has my fullest attention.

Ammit

Scary isn’t it? I have been face to face with a few Sociopaths, most of us cannot sense it… they are great at mimicking normal human behavior. You got lucky to get away because they seem to notice when people see what they are. Honestly it would be hard to tell apart a classic sociopath and a cloaked or reptilian hybrid in a police lineup without some experience with a known hybrid... IMHO

[wynderer]

Hi all

I would like to ask a few questions if I may regarding hybrids and different types amongst us.

Wynderer,,

I work with a lot of different people and have done for years, I have met those who seem different from the others in ways of quickness to judge, superiority beliefs, loving and trustfull and others that are plain evil with intent to just assist anyone in failiure.

As I believe we have hybrids etc amongst us and also have desire to be able to tell these different folk apart, could you, if you are willing, explain anyother known differences as in facial , body and personality differences please.

I have experienced strange feelings from some folk, and I think the worst was meeting someone (male ) who seemed to have a total lack of expression in the eyes, very protective of anything. This person reared up violently when some one asked to borrow a pen from him. I feel when some people are around but this fella I felt nothing, nadda zilch..... Almost as if they were not even there.

Thanks for your great efforts with this thread, It has my fullest attention.

Ammit

Scary isn’t it? I have been face to face with a few Sociopaths, most of us cannot sense it… they are great at mimicking normal human behavior. You got lucky to get away because they seem to notice when people see what they are. Honestly it would be hard to tell apart a classic sociopath and a cloaked or reptilian hybrid in a police lineup without some experience with a known hybrid... IMHO

i think they are one & the same -- tho some sociopaths are under pure demonic influence alone

[wynderer]

from Rantaak's post # 104

Such a display of power is truly a rare occurrence and is coincidentally incapable of appearing on youtube or video (to my knowledge).


it's not a 'display of power ' -- it's a breakdown of their ability to hold their Human form because of the new energies coming in -- Arizona Wilder mentioned this

this also explains why SO MANY CHILDREN ARE GOING MISSING RIGHT NOW -- some Reptilians who totally control/live in their Human bodies -- the Reptilian walk-ins -- need the blood of pure souls to keep their forms

[wynderer]

thanks for your post, Ammit -- they sound like clones -- maybe when i write about my expereinces w/them, others will share & you'll put a piece or two of the puzzle into place

wyn


Hi all

I would like to ask a few questions if I may regarding hybrids and different types amongst us.

Wynderer,,

I work with a lot of different people and have done for years, I have met those who seem different from the others in ways of quickness to judge, superiority beliefs, loving and trustfull and others that are plain evil with intent to just assist anyone in failiure.

As I believe we have hybrids etc amongst us and also have desire to be able to tell these different folk apart, could you, if you are willing, explain anyother known differences as in facial , body and personality differences please.

I have experienced strange feelings from some folk, and I think the worst was meeting someone (male ) who seemed to have a total lack of expression in the eyes, very protective of anything. This person reared up violently when some one asked to borrow a pen from him. I feel when some people are around but this fella I felt nothing, nadda zilch..... Almost as if they were not even there.

Thanks for your great efforts with this thread, It has my fullest attention.

Ammit

[Ammit]

Hi all

I would like to ask a few questions if I may regarding hybrids and different types amongst us.

Wynderer,,

I work with a lot of different people and have done for years, I have met those who seem different from the others in ways of quickness to judge, superiority beliefs, loving and trustfull and others that are plain evil with intent to just assist anyone in failiure.

As I believe we have hybrids etc amongst us and also have desire to be able to tell these different folk apart, could you, if you are willing, explain anyother known differences as in facial , body and personality differences please.

I have experienced strange feelings from some folk, and I think the worst was meeting someone (male ) who seemed to have a total lack of expression in the eyes, very protective of anything. This person reared up violently when some one asked to borrow a pen from him. I feel when some people are around but this fella I felt nothing, nadda zilch..... Almost as if they were not even there.

Thanks for your great efforts with this thread, It has my fullest attention.

Ammit

Scary isn’t it? I have been face to face with a few Sociopaths, most of us cannot sense it… they are great at mimicking normal human behavior. You got lucky to get away because they seem to notice when people see what they are. Honestly it would be hard to tell apart a classic sociopath and a cloaked or reptilian hybrid in a police lineup without some experience with a known hybrid... IMHO

Yes Corey it is which is why I am asking to learn from others here who may have experience in such matters. I believe we will be seeing more strange people and behaviours as time nears. I believe we should all be informed of the differences.

Ammit

[wynderer]

Ammit -- one thought -- trust yourself & your own intution/gut feelings -- there does seem to be an awakening of so-called 'psychic' abilities happening at this time -- perhaps 'quickening' is a better description

wyn




Hi all

I would like to ask a few questions if I may regarding hybrids and different types amongst us.

Wynderer,,

I work with a lot of different people and have done for years, I have met those who seem different from the others in ways of quickness to judge, superiority beliefs, loving and trustfull and others that are plain evil with intent to just assist anyone in failiure.

As I believe we have hybrids etc amongst us and also have desire to be able to tell these different folk apart, could you, if you are willing, explain anyother known differences as in facial , body and personality differences please.

I have experienced strange feelings from some folk, and I think the worst was meeting someone (male ) who seemed to have a total lack of expression in the eyes, very protective of anything. This person reared up violently when some one asked to borrow a pen from him. I feel when some people are around but this fella I felt nothing, nadda zilch..... Almost as if they were not even there.

Thanks for your great efforts with this thread, It has my fullest attention.

Ammit

Scary isn’t it? I have been face to face with a few Sociopaths, most of us cannot sense it… they are great at mimicking normal human behavior. You got lucky to get away because they seem to notice when people see what they are. Honestly it would be hard to tell apart a classic sociopath and a cloaked or reptilian hybrid in a police lineup without some experience with a known hybrid... IMHO

Yes Corey it is which is why I am asking to learn from others here who may have experience in such matters. I believe we will be seeing more strange people and behaviours as time nears. I believe we should all be informed of the differences.

Ammit

[GoodETxSG]

Hi all

I would like to ask a few questions if I may regarding hybrids and different types amongst us.

Wynderer,,

I work with a lot of different people and have done for years, I have met those who seem different from the others in ways of quickness to judge, superiority beliefs, loving and trustfull and others that are plain evil with intent to just assist anyone in failiure.

As I believe we have hybrids etc amongst us and also have desire to be able to tell these different folk apart, could you, if you are willing, explain anyother known differences as in facial , body and personality differences please.

I have experienced strange feelings from some folk, and I think the worst was meeting someone (male ) who seemed to have a total lack of expression in the eyes, very protective of anything. This person reared up violently when some one asked to borrow a pen from him. I feel when some people are around but this fella I felt nothing, nadda zilch..... Almost as if they were not even there.

Thanks for your great efforts with this thread, It has my fullest attention.

Ammit

Scary isn’t it? I have been face to face with a few Sociopaths, most of us cannot sense it… they are great at mimicking normal human behavior. You got lucky to get away because they seem to notice when people see what they are. Honestly it would be hard to tell apart a classic sociopath and a cloaked or reptilian hybrid in a police lineup without some experience with a known hybrid... IMHO

Yes Corey it is which is why I am asking to learn from others here who may have experience in such matters. I believe we will be seeing more strange people and behaviours as time nears. I believe we should all be informed of the differences.

Ammit

Totally agreed! I would give both of them a wide breadth and don’t want to spend enough time around them to figure out which one they are. I see that energy and poof I am outta there! When you focus your mind on the reptilians or begin to seek them out they will begin to seek you out too. Kind of like what curiosity did to the cat. But if they have already made their presence known in your life I guess you have nothing to lose.
These are the “people” that are disappearing most of the kids on mild cartons and have mass graves of assorted adults in their favorite spot. I say get rid of them all and let God sort them out. Society doesn’t need either one roaming our streets.

[wynderer]

from Corey G's post # 113

[B]Totally agreed! I would give both of them a wide breadth and don’t want to spend enough time around them to figure out which one they are. I see that energy and poof I am outta there! When you focus your mind on the reptilians or begin to seek them out they will begin to seek you out too. Kind of like what curiosity did to the cat. But if they have already made their presence known in your life I guess you have nothing to lose.
B]

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wyn here --

there aren't that many Reptilians or hybrids [ not so sure about how many of the latter are being 'seeded' in right now ] -- & you really don't have to worry about [ fear] drawing their attention to you by trying to educate yourself about them -- they pay special attention to their hybrids & to the potentially dangerous Alpha Human males & females --

they go after 'juicy' Humans -- a word i picked up from another woman also a Reptilian abductee -- those w/a lot of psychic /spiritual energy -- & they are already getting what they want & need from Humans en masse

however -- keep a close eye on your children

[Ammit]

Wynderer and Corey, many thanks for your replies.

I am not so sure about the idea I am seeking them, I am just inquisitive as to traits to look out for. I have just returned from my local shops, and this locking of eyes is still happeneing that I spoke of a while ago on PA.

It must sound paranoid really but to me it is just spooky, I drive my car and I have an intense need to look at the eyes of people driving past me, most times they are doing the usual picking of the nose trick (yuk) or chatting on their mobiles, but, every now and again I find my eyes are locked onto a driver m or f who has also locked eyes on me.

I know that maybe they are just wondering why I am looking at them but, mostly I get tingles on the back of my head from the ones that do not have a puzzled look on there face.

Also, a person I stood behind in a que smelled like a freezer, but i sensed nothing from them as you would normally, the smell was like if you put your head in a freezer and took a deep breath, hard to explain but without the cold air effect.

Other people I have seen look (for want of a better word) DEAD, very pale skin, slow calculated movements, walk in a way like they have too many joints in their legs, never seem to look around it is just head straight and off they go oblivious to anything around them.

Am i just talking nuts now................................

[GoodETxSG]

Wynderer and Corey, many thanks for your replies.

I am not so sure about the idea I am seeking them, I am just inquisitive as to traits to look out for. I have just returned from my local shops, and this locking of eyes is still happeneing that I spoke of a while ago on PA.

It must sound paranoid really but to me it is just spooky, I drive my car and I have an intense need to look at the eyes of people driving past me, most times they are doing the usual picking of the nose trick (yuk) or chatting on their mobiles, but, every now and again I find my eyes are locked onto a driver m or f who has also locked eyes on me.

I know that maybe they are just wondering why I am looking at them but, mostly I get tingles on the back of my head from the ones that do not have a puzzled look on there face.

Also, a person I stood behind in a que smelled like a freezer, but i sensed nothing from them as you would normally, the smell was like if you put your head in a freezer and took a deep breath, hard to explain but without the cold air effect.

Other people I have seen look (for want of a better word) DEAD, very pale skin, slow calculated movements, walk in a way like they have too many joints in their legs, never seem to look around it is just head straight and off they go oblivious to anything around them.

Am i just talking nuts now................................
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No, you are fine. Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean someone isn't watching you as they say. Just be VERY careful of any and all advice you receive in THIS thread and consider the source.
You are not nuts ;)

[Ammit]

I am always careful of any advice but try and make my own mind up from what is given. We all need to learn and being inquisitive is probably the best way that I know of gathering others thoughts and experience on subjects.

The topic of hybrids, reptillians and other alien folk always facinates me, peoples behavioural patterns do too, I can spend hours just watching folk going about their daily business and some of the antics they get up to, some of it is just too funny for words, others are just scary. :spy:

[GoodETxSG]

I am always careful of any advice but try and make my own mind up from what is given. We all need to learn and being inquisitive is probably the best way that I know of gathering others thoughts and experience on subjects.

The topic of hybrids, reptillians and other alien folk always facinates me, peoples behavioural patterns do too, I can spend hours just watching folk going about their daily business and some of the antics they get up to, some of it is just too funny for words, others are just scary. :spy:

I hear ya… I am a people watcher too. :cool:

[wynderer]

Ammit -- check out Jacksovec's recent post on Houman's Archon thread about the black-eyed kids -- i've seen some of the weird stuff you have described also -- or shuold i say weird Humans

[Dorjezigzag]

This search inside the genetics for evidence of separation of species has perhaps some use in the physical sciences. Although pursuits such as this can easily degenerate into the realms of pseudo science. The prime example is the belief of the master race within Nazi ideology of those of Aryan dissent. I find it interesting that many of your earlier descriptions match the Nazi definitions of Aryans.

The problem with this spiritualising the physical sciences is that it can bring forth witch hunts and demonizing of individuals. Are we soon going to invent ways to detect a lizard, like the old witch hunts, if she floats she’s a witch, if she drowns she is not (but dead!).

I recommend rather than looking inside with a microscope you should journey inside with a caduceus. I further recommend trying to find your connections with others rather than your separations.

To bring us all down to Earth let us consider we share 98.5%
of The DNA sequences of this handsome fella.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/images/ic/credit/640x395/c/co/common_chimpanzee/common_chimpanzee_1.jpg

Also consider that everything in the universe including us is made from star dust, we are all made of stars. People should be assessed on their actions not on their dna

I leave you with a quote.
What we think, we become.
Buddha

[wynderer]

another great Human Liberation song -- thanks to Cidersomerset

lYizXBQ5EQA

[Sidney]

Very cool thread Wynderer- I wonder if you could talk about the thought patterns of the Reps. And also, you say they go after the "juicy ones", could you be specific as to how exactly they "go after" them?
People also talk about eh vertical pupil, but what about the eye color of the iris? Anything specific there?

Thank you for your very interesting topic of conversation here. Much appreciated.

[Rantaak]

from Rantaak's post # 104

Such a display of power is truly a rare occurrence and is coincidentally incapable of appearing on youtube or video (to my knowledge).


it's not a 'display of power ' -- it's a breakdown of their ability to hold their Human form because of the new energies coming in -- Arizona Wilder mentioned this

this also explains why SO MANY CHILDREN ARE GOING MISSING RIGHT NOW -- some Reptilians who totally control/live in their Human bodies -- the Reptilian walk-ins -- need the blood of pure souls to keep their forms

No, the ones abducting children do not have that kind of power. That's why they feel the need to abduct children.

[wynderer]

More of the Transhumanist Agenda in J-Pop Videos: Perfume’s “Spring of Life”

http://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/more-of-the-transhumanist-agenda-in-j-pop-videos-perfumes-spring-of-life/

We’ve seen in several previous articles (notably The Transhumanist and Police State Agenda in Pop Music) that the normalization of transhumanism is an important part of the Agenda in mass media. The merging of humans and robots in order to for a new kind of “upgraded” transhuman is a concept that is heavily promoted in movies, music videos and video games.

Almost all major pop stars have been portrayed as a robot at one point or another in their career. Not only does this make the concept of transhumanism cool and sexy for young people, it also makes a profound statement about the nature of the industry (pop stars being robots with no minds programmed to perform).

In Japan, the widely popular group Perfume brings the same message and imagery to young Asians with videos such as Spring of Life. During the entire video, the members of the group are robots that are being tinkered with by unseen programmers. During the chorus, they do a dance routine attached to wires – not a lot of freedom going on there. Also, they hide one eye a bunch of times to salute those who control them.

At one point, the fembots appear to be feeling love and start acting more naturally – which is the next step in the development of this technology: Natural looking and feeling robots that can even simulate emotions. Here’s the video

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[Realeyes]

Thanks Wynderer for your post [127] .

I too have been aware of the transhuman agenda that has been subtly fed to us over the decades. All of this in my opinion is moving humanity consciously away from their natural states of ‘humanness’, ‘self reflection’, ‘compassion’ and ‘interaction’ with our own kind.

I watched a startling video some months ago of the latest technological robots that now look like humans. These robots interact like humans and are being tested in hospitals as ‘support & company’ for those lying in bed sick. It seems human tactile contact, communication and natural loving compassion between each other is no longer necessary, robots and eventually clones will become the ‘carers and nurses’ of the future.

Technology has become accepted in our consciousness. One only has to take a tube ride or walk in a large town/city and notice most people are ‘locked in’ being ‘entertained’ with their iPods or mobile phones – no one is engaging with people around them anymore, no one smiles – they are locked in their own little world of isolation and entertainment filled with ‘ga ga’. I find this very upsetting and disturbing.

I see this ‘long thought agenda’ gearing us up to except robots in our homes that will eventually be clones, where less humans will be ‘needed’ and far easier to maintain control.

Such ideas Hollywood has been feeding us for a long time; it’s so clever, they know just the buttons to push. ‘Blade Runner’ the film, I cried when the androids suddenly realised they were not real and their death/annihilation was inevitable. There was the film about the little boy who was an A.I. – again very thought provoking similar to the character ‘Data’ on Star Trek; they both wanted to be a real human and have a soul. The viewer becomes attached to the robot’s character and their plight; we may even contemplate whether such robots and clones should have ‘rights’? You may think this is a stupid question, but this debate is far older than this planet – it has happened before and is a cunning hoodwink on incarnated Souls’ ‘free will’ and ‘consciousness’.

Big Sigh..... Humans have unknowingly given away their divine power and have ‘allowed’ the tptw to remove even our basic human rights – we have yet to get started on our ‘godly rights’. Robots and clones don’t answer back and can be turned ‘off’ – humans also are useable and dispensable, the ptw and those who control them do not honour or respect the potential gift and beauty of life. We live in a world where ‘time is profit and money’, ‘life is cheap’. Humans spend a lifetime kept very busy paying for the roof over their heads. Most are too busy to feel compassion towards our humankind who are daily killed, tortured, maimed and terrorised; communities and farmland stolen, forced to struggle and starve like savages, food and water being poisoned etc, etc, etc on a planet that lovingly supplies daily everything for everyone - yet only the ‘few’ receive because they ‘own it’. Huh???

IMO, the so called ‘gift’ of technology has created tyrannical power for the few - pain, suffering and desensitisation for the majority, directing us away from our humanness and our greater destiny.
We are living in such an important historical TIME right now. This is the ‘Now’ where Humanity can make leaps and bounds in their consciousness, contemplating and asking the greater questions and placing their observations into discovering the 90% phenomenal abilities that lies dormant within each of us. Think of the adventures you could have if you knew how to physically ‘teleport’ yourself anywhere you so desired just by the power of a focused inward thought? How different would your life/reality/world be if you remembered how to do this? It is Time to unfold our true destiny and Be-Come ‘Hu-Man’ =- God-Man/Woman Realised here on Earth.

‘Source Creator’ didn’t favour the salamander or the caterpillar over humans; we all have the ability to ‘Metamorphous’ into something most wonderful. It is a Time to awaken to the truth that there is a lot more going on in this Galaxy than just this little planet’s nonsense still arguing over religions, and superstitions etc. Those who keep their eyes on the ‘Space’ Earth rides in, will know that we are in the ‘Quickening’, a Time to mature, re-connect and become spiritually self-responsible.

The silent agenda by tptw is attempting to convince Humanity into the mind state that ‘technology’ ‘is’ the way forward – ‘our’ future. NOOOOOOOOOOOO, I scream! We are in a Time of ‘Awakening our Consciousness’ – We are the ‘Quickening’ right now that has long been foretold. We chose to incarnate here to ‘Consciously Be-Come Aware’, ‘In-Lightened’ and ‘Connected’ on a Soul level to Earth and our relationship with the Galaxy and beyond.

Every time we switch on the T.V., Radio, Music, Coliseum Entertainment etc we are shutting off the ‘natural-state’ and placing our ‘precious powerful attention’ on the technology that drowns out the ‘natural state of beingness’.

This is a war of Consciousness Vs Technology.

Think about it: Prior to all this technology people knew how to talk to each other civilly; they gathered together in halls and fields for dances; there was a community spirit and genuine care and support for each other. They had time to read books, play instruments, write poetry, contemplate and observe the world in peaceful thought. Being ‘Human’ is about having connections and relationships with humans and all that is within us and all that surrounds us. Every time we switch on technology, that drowns out our own inner thoughts and connections we have elected for more brainwashing that dulls our spiritual humanness.

The choice is individually ours on which path we choose to journey on. Be aware, go with your heart, use your discernment and inner knowingness and tread wisely.

Thankfully, the sweet breath of Conscious ‘CHANGE’ is in the Air – very soon all these things will become clearer as our conscious awareness expands. Smile.

[wynderer]

a comment -- robots are not adversely affected by high levels of radiation

5 Ways Robots Are Outsourcing Humans in the Workforce

Activist Post
Nicholas West

The outsourcing of human jobs as a side effect of globalization has arguably contributed to the current unemployment crisis. However, a growing trend sees humans done away with altogether, even in the low-wage countries where many American jobs have landed.

Citing brutal working conditions, inefficiency and corporate bottom lines, human beings are gradually becoming redundant. Moreover, there are indications that even skilled labor will soon be replaced, rendering humans obsolete in a variety of new ways.

At this point is doesn't seem like the outsourcing of human abilities to our robotic counterparts is leading us toward the life of leisure that has been promised, but instead is leading to humans being perceived as nothing more than a troubling quantity within a new economic algorithm. How can we ensure that we maintain relevance during a time of such rapid change?

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http://www.activistpost.com/search/label/Nicholas%20West

[wynderer]

Milabs, Cloning, Advanced ET Technology
Posted on January 12, 2012 by eve
Lt. Colonel C gives testimony of cloning technology and human soul energy. He describes ancient Egyptian Osiris rituals used by ET aligned human collaborators for supersoldier programs and cloning, etc.

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http://evelorgen.com/wp/category/articles/military-abduction-milabs-and-reptilians/

[9eagle9]

You were groomed prior to that. Your grooming began in the last hundred years when the powers that be decided that slaughtering thousands of Irish and Native Americans weren't going to prevent a collusion of the two bloods, a vast fear they've held for centuries if one knows the story behind that. The blending of the Irish and the Native American would result in a blood that would be a challenge to their heirarchy, and history tells us how they have sought to prevent it.

In more recent times, realizing that their preventive measures (the slaughtering or assimilation of millions of Irish) and thousands and thousands of Native Americans, has actually promoted the very thing they feared, they decided to use the blending of these two bloodlines to their own advantage.





There is good and bad in every personality type... it can be difficult to read but its healthy to know.

Yea Renee, depending on which internet site you go to it will show certain personality types being different %'s of the US and/or World population.

I really believe it is important to know your type and read about it and that of your spouse or BF/GF to understand each other better and how you communicate differently.

It can make a MAJOR difference in a relationship as well in your journey for self discovery and understanding.

¤=[Post Update]=¤



O+ blood type here, I am Native American and Irish/English and have my own experiences... I do not think I am any kind of hybrid, clone or anything like that though I meet some of the criteria you mention for Hybrids. BOTH of my children are definitely Indigo's! There should be some interesting posts on this thread. I too would like the link to the RH Thread if possible.
:popcorn:

I am an INFJ personality type (Which is only 1% of the population), most of you should really take an online test to find out your Personality type, I promise you it will blow your mind and explain a LOT! www.humanmetrics.com (YOU MUST TAKE THIS TEST, stop now and do it!)

Thanks. Will look at the link later...

Seriously, I really hope you do.

In the Remote Viewing world it is jokingly referred to as the Astrology for RVer's. Some of us are always asking whats your 'type'.
A while back I was trying to get a poll done on the blood type thing and Myers-Briggs - see if there was any significant correlation between them.

Curious insight... Yes, I know. :cool:
I am a Military trained RV'er from 1998 and was trained by my Grand Father prior to that since the age of 8. He was Naval Intelligence and a UDT/SEAL. He raised me and groomed me for the Military life... I am really glad to be out of it as much as one can truly be "Out of IT".

[GoodETxSG]

You were groomed prior to that. Your grooming began in the last hundred years when the powers that be decided that slaughtering thousands of Irish and Native Americans weren't going to prevent a collusion of the two bloods, a vast fear they've held for centuries if one knows the story behind that. The blending of the Irish and the Native American would result in a blood that would be a challenge to their heirarchy, and history tells us how they have sought to prevent it.

In more recent times, realizing that their preventive measures (the slaughtering or assimilation of millions of Irish) and thousands and thousands of Native Americans, has actually promoted the very thing they feared, they decided to use the blending of these two bloodlines to their own advantage.





There is good and bad in every personality type... it can be difficult to read but its healthy to know.

Yea Renee, depending on which internet site you go to it will show certain personality types being different %'s of the US and/or World population.

I really believe it is important to know your type and read about it and that of your spouse or BF/GF to understand each other better and how you communicate differently.

It can make a MAJOR difference in a relationship as well in your journey for self discovery and understanding.

¤=[Post Update]=¤



O+ blood type here, I am Native American and Irish/English and have my own experiences... I do not think I am any kind of hybrid, clone or anything like that though I meet some of the criteria you mention for Hybrids. BOTH of my children are definitely Indigo's! There should be some interesting posts on this thread. I too would like the link to the RH Thread if possible.
:popcorn:

I am an INFJ personality type (Which is only 1% of the population), most of you should really take an online test to find out your Personality type, I promise you it will blow your mind and explain a LOT! www.humanmetrics.com (YOU MUST TAKE THIS TEST, stop now and do it!)

Thanks. Will look at the link later...

Seriously, I really hope you do.

In the Remote Viewing world it is jokingly referred to as the Astrology for RVer's. Some of us are always asking whats your 'type'.
A while back I was trying to get a poll done on the blood type thing and Myers-Briggs - see if there was any significant correlation between them.

Curious insight... Yes, I know. :cool:
I am a Military trained RV'er from 1998 and was trained by my Grand Father prior to that since the age of 8. He was Naval Intelligence and a UDT/SEAL. He raised me and groomed me for the Military life... I am really glad to be out of it as much as one can truly be "Out of IT".

I was mos certainly GROOMED from the age of 8 (Or earlier but do not remember)... GF's on both sides were in either Navy Intel or Army Intel... I was taught meditation, was sent to Boy Scout type camps to learn things, My GF trained me in Martial arts from an early age... lost of other things that show I was groomed. What a lot of people do not know is that there is a intentional "Injury" to the Left Temporal Lobe in a certain way... this part of the brain is know as the "God" or paranormal part of the brain. Many people suffer epilepsy from the incident that was part of the grooming/conditioning process. That is a little secret I just dropped... one can tell a lot if they do a 72 hour ambulatory EEG (Esp night time readings) to see if there are abnormalities of the L. Temporal Lobe. I do not know if anyone has shared this info before, I could be wrong.

[wynderer]

'The draconian body-DNA function needs radiation to sustain consciousness like humans need air to breathe. '

'The various produced beings, through hybrid bodies, are altered outside the womb during the embryonic stage for other things as well, such as functioning in a different kind of environment, and they have higher tolerance for radiation as well. The radiation itself is not poison to some ET races at all. '(EL-This was shared with me BEFORE the Japanese nuclear incident on 3/11/011 at Fukishima)

http://evelorgen.com/wp/articles/mil...ilab/#more-534

[wynderer]

Eve Lorgen, the interviewer of Maarit here -- some other info from these 2 women gave the title & start to Houman's Horus-Ra Archon thread, recently approved via thread post by your leader Bill Ryan

'These reptile beings are able to grow large amounts of biologically “alive” tissue. This tissue can be cloned to make manufactured grey beings as well. This kind of tissue cannot be cloned forever without degeneration. That’s why the aliens are abducting so many humans. All of us have to satisfy the need of food for a large alien civilization. It’s so simple. We are not on the top of the food chain. This is something we just have admit to ourselves.

Many abductees tell us about the baby presentations made by the aliens. The whole thing—in my opinion– is just meant to do some psychological bonding to prevent resistance of human beings. Nothing more. The babies presented, as more mature babies are probably human-alien hybrids made to use as servants later on.'

wyn here -- i believe the baby presentations are only of the Grey/Human hybrids -- the altering of Humans into Reptilian/Human hybrids is much less prevalent & involves the mind & the astral planes etc

http://evelorgen.com/wp/articles/military-abduction-milabs-and-reptilians/interview-with-maarit-a-scandinavian-milab/#more-534

[wynderer]

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[wynderer]

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[wynderer]

from Vigilant Citizen:

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Mass Media Promoting Transhumanism: The “Mind-Blowing Benefits of Merging Human Brains and Computers”
By VC | February 8th, 2012 |

We’ve seen in previous articles (notably in The Transhumanist and Police State Agenda in Pop Music) that the concept of transhumanism, which can be defined as the merging of humans and robots, is being abundantly promoted in music videos, movies and video games. On top of this “indirect” kind of promotion, transhumanism is being sold through more direct channels such as documentaries, television features and news reports. The main face of the movement is the American inventor Ray Kurzweil who has recently been on a massive PR campaign to promote what he calls “Singularity” (a term that is probably less threatening than “transhumanism”).

Kurzweil is however not a lone nut with a crazy futuristic dream. He works in collaboration with the world’s most powerful people in business and politics. For example, in February 2009, Kurzweil collaborated with Google and the NASA Ames Research Center, to create the Singularity University training center for corporate executives and government officials. The University’s self-described mission is to “assemble, educate and inspire a cadre of leaders who strive to understand and facilitate the development of exponentially advancing technologies and apply, focus and guide these tools to address humanity’s grand challenges”. It is safe to say that transhumanism is not only the goal of one man but of the entire global elite. For this reason, the merging of humans and robots is not only promoted as something “cool” and positive in mass media, it is announced, despite its potential pitfalls, as an inevitability.
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http://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/mass-media-promoting-transhumanism-the-mind-blowing-benefits-of-merging-human-brains-and-computers/

[the_vast_mystery]

Thanks Wynderer for your post [127] .

I too have been aware of the transhuman agenda that has been subtly fed to us over the decades. All of this in my opinion is moving humanity consciously away from their natural states of ‘humanness’, ‘self reflection’, ‘compassion’ and ‘interaction’ with our own kind.

I watched a startling video some months ago of the latest technological robots that now look like humans. These robots interact like humans and are being tested in hospitals as ‘support & company’ for those lying in bed sick. It seems human tactile contact, communication and natural loving compassion between each other is no longer necessary, robots and eventually clones will become the ‘carers and nurses’ of the future.

Technology has become accepted in our consciousness. One only has to take a tube ride or walk in a large town/city and notice most people are ‘locked in’ being ‘entertained’ with their iPods or mobile phones – no one is engaging with people around them anymore, no one smiles – they are locked in their own little world of isolation and entertainment filled with ‘ga ga’. I find this very upsetting and disturbing.

I see this ‘long thought agenda’ gearing us up to except robots in our homes that will eventually be clones, where less humans will be ‘needed’ and far easier to maintain control.

Such ideas Hollywood has been feeding us for a long time; it’s so clever, they know just the buttons to push. ‘Blade Runner’ the film, I cried when the androids suddenly realised they were not real and their death/annihilation was inevitable. There was the film about the little boy who was an A.I. – again very thought provoking similar to the character ‘Data’ on Star Trek; they both wanted to be a real human and have a soul. The viewer becomes attached to the robot’s character and their plight; we may even contemplate whether such robots and clones should have ‘rights’? You may think this is a stupid question, but this debate is far older than this planet – it has happened before and is a cunning hoodwink on incarnated Souls’ ‘free will’ and ‘consciousness’.

Big Sigh..... Humans have unknowingly given away their divine power and have ‘allowed’ the tptw to remove even our basic human rights – we have yet to get started on our ‘godly rights’. Robots and clones don’t answer back and can be turned ‘off’ – humans also are useable and dispensable, the ptw and those who control them do not honour or respect the potential gift and beauty of life. We live in a world where ‘time is profit and money’, ‘life is cheap’. Humans spend a lifetime kept very busy paying for the roof over their heads. Most are too busy to feel compassion towards our humankind who are daily killed, tortured, maimed and terrorised; communities and farmland stolen, forced to struggle and starve like savages, food and water being poisoned etc, etc, etc on a planet that lovingly supplies daily everything for everyone - yet only the ‘few’ receive because they ‘own it’. Huh???

IMO, the so called ‘gift’ of technology has created tyrannical power for the few - pain, suffering and desensitisation for the majority, directing us away from our humanness and our greater destiny.
We are living in such an important historical TIME right now. This is the ‘Now’ where Humanity can make leaps and bounds in their consciousness, contemplating and asking the greater questions and placing their observations into discovering the 90% phenomenal abilities that lies dormant within each of us. Think of the adventures you could have if you knew how to physically ‘teleport’ yourself anywhere you so desired just by the power of a focused inward thought? How different would your life/reality/world be if you remembered how to do this? It is Time to unfold our true destiny and Be-Come ‘Hu-Man’ =- God-Man/Woman Realised here on Earth.

‘Source Creator’ didn’t favour the salamander or the caterpillar over humans; we all have the ability to ‘Metamorphous’ into something most wonderful. It is a Time to awaken to the truth that there is a lot more going on in this Galaxy than just this little planet’s nonsense still arguing over religions, and superstitions etc. Those who keep their eyes on the ‘Space’ Earth rides in, will know that we are in the ‘Quickening’, a Time to mature, re-connect and become spiritually self-responsible.

The silent agenda by tptw is attempting to convince Humanity into the mind state that ‘technology’ ‘is’ the way forward – ‘our’ future. NOOOOOOOOOOOO, I scream! We are in a Time of ‘Awakening our Consciousness’ – We are the ‘Quickening’ right now that has long been foretold. We chose to incarnate here to ‘Consciously Be-Come Aware’, ‘In-Lightened’ and ‘Connected’ on a Soul level to Earth and our relationship with the Galaxy and beyond.

Every time we switch on the T.V., Radio, Music, Coliseum Entertainment etc we are shutting off the ‘natural-state’ and placing our ‘precious powerful attention’ on the technology that drowns out the ‘natural state of beingness’.

This is a war of Consciousness Vs Technology.

Think about it: Prior to all this technology people knew how to talk to each other civilly; they gathered together in halls and fields for dances; there was a community spirit and genuine care and support for each other. They had time to read books, play instruments, write poetry, contemplate and observe the world in peaceful thought. Being ‘Human’ is about having connections and relationships with humans and all that is within us and all that surrounds us. Every time we switch on technology, that drowns out our own inner thoughts and connections we have elected for more brainwashing that dulls our spiritual humanness.

The choice is individually ours on which path we choose to journey on. Be aware, go with your heart, use your discernment and inner knowingness and tread wisely.

Thankfully, the sweet breath of Conscious ‘CHANGE’ is in the Air – very soon all these things will become clearer as our conscious awareness expands. Smile.

Actually if you really think about it what we had back then was a far more tribalized society. Yes people regularly congregated and were more social, and civil...but, and this is a big but, it was only with those who stayed within their socioeconomic sphere or "caste." Racism against blacks, sexism against women, much higher rates of domestic violence because at the time it was considered expected and even manly to hit your wife or child as punishment, and far, far worse violence and oppression against Gays, Atheists and earth-based religions practitioners (outside of Native American practices) was highly prevalent in the preceding times. So while yes there was much more in-person socialization than there was now that socialization was primarily to reinforce tribal boundaries and cliques. We like to talk a big game about how we all could come together as a country during tough times. But the reality of the situation? What that meant was that we kept people locked into their respective places according to skin color, gender, etc. and anyone who visibly stepped outside of their role was quitly beaten back into place or even murdered and swept under the rug. National unity meant "Do what the establishment says, or else" and because people were so much under the illusion (due to the fact that after WWII we did have a real prosperity boom here if you were white, and at least pretended to be a straight Christian) at the time it's easy to harken back to those days as if it was somehow a bastion of liberty and prosperity. However, if you weren't fortunate enough to have been born into privilege times were actually much harder than they were now depending on where you lived. Before the era of DNA evidence and cell-phone cameras the Police could get away with a lot more.

This is why making arguments based in nostalgia isn't such a good idea. Those rose-colored sunglasses often prevent us from seeing all of the real problems we had because during those times we as a society were much more able to "other" entire groups of human beings and squelch the cries of their suffering. This is even before going into how we used to regard people in foreign countries. (depending on the Era: savages, sinners, idiots, or enemies, possibly some combination thereof) Currently our society is far more depersonalized, but yet, that depersonalization has also had an interesting effect. People slowly but surely aren't paying as much attention to the skin color, gender, or other superficial qualities of whom they associate with and are actually talking to people because they connect on a deeper mental/spiritual level based on the ideas or feelings they express. In this regard the Internet has been a massive success at actually bringing people together as one despite the appearance of keeping them separate. Yes we are physically separate and no we don't speak to each other in the same room. Yet, by the same token we talk to and listen to far, far more people than we ever did before and are regularly formulating our own ideas and showing them to the world in new ways not before possible when you limited yourself to just the local group of friends who were all from the same privileged background as you.

[wynderer]

en francais -- all the lip licking she does -- i'll try to find the other source that mentions this as a sign of a Reptilian influence of some sort --

William F Buckley Jr [very Reptilian looking, imo] used to lick his lips a lot


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[wynderer]

from post #513 by Houman on the Horus-Ra Archon thread:

But by far the most alarming evidence of alien technology concerns the "new" bodies and "clones" they manufacture. Whether these are really bodies for a future human "resurrection," as Pat was told, remains to be seen, for other explanations have been given. In a case privately reported, for instance, a man was told that a duplicate of his body could be used to "replace" him if he didn't "cooperate" with the aliens. Lisa, too, was told that other people wouldn't be able to distinguish her cloned body from the original, if they chose to replace her. And Angie was shown the cloned infants as part of a "novel breed" the aliens are producing.

[wynderer]

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[wynderer]

i did some searching on the forum to find an alien false flag event thread & did not find one , so i'll post this here

one theory about what is going on w/the Reptilians & other ETs is that another group of Reptilians, hi-ranked ones, are on their way to Earth right now to re-assume control

one theory around this is that the Reptilians here & their buddies are waiting to welcome the returning 'gods' -- Egyptologists like Robert Bauvall got into this -- from his site [ he was really into this then] -- remember that big show at the Great Pyramid in 2000 that was cancelled?

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Why did the Egyptians cancelled the most dramatic ceremony of the Millennium ? [ R Bauval needs a good proofreader]

28th January, 2000

by Robert G. Bauval

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"We cannot rebuild the pyramids stone by stone, "said Farouk Hosni, "so we have chosen a symbolic event like the ancient Egyptians did when they used to cap obelisks like what the French did at the Place de la Concorde".
Later in October 1998 the Farouk Hosni announced that French composer Jean-Michel Jarre was to organise this event at Giza. The official Egyptian Tourist Authorities announced that Jean-Michel Jarre would compose a 12-hours opera titled "The Twelve Dream of the Sun" for the sum of 10 million US dollars and that,
"At midnight a helicopter will fly into the site and, hovering in a starburst of lasers and spotlights, will place a gigantic gilded capstone atop the Great Pyramid --all to the accompaniment of what is expected to be an unprecedented Jarre crescendo of electronic music. The gold cap, approximately 28 feet high (about the size of a two-story house) is being especially constructed to protect the pyramid structure. In place, it will catch the first light of the new millennium as the sun rises over Egypt. Capping pyramids with gold and timing important events to the setting and rising sun are very much part of the ancient Egyptian pharoanic tradition, making this piece of Jarre theatre particularly meaningful."
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To add fuel to this political fire, the radical Egyptian press, notably the newspaper Al Shaab (The People) found out that Jean-Michel Jarre intended to project the so-called 'eye of Horus' on the Great Pyramid with laser lights, and immediately denounced the organisers of staging a 'Masonic' stunt. The Al Shaab claimed that the 'eye in the pyramid' blatantly evoked the well-known Masonic symbol on the US one-dollar bill.
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http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/robertbauval.html

[pugwash84]

Black eyed kids sound scary

http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2011/04/black-eyed-kids-insidious-threat-or-myth-in-the-making/

[pugwash84]

Oh I also had a weird thought the other day, What if some people are aliens but they do not know they are aliens? If they are told they are human and the whole world think they are human but they are really alien, how would anyone know?

[wynderer]

i think they may be demonic --aka from the dark spiritual realms


Black eyed kids sound scary

http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2011/04/black-eyed-kids-insidious-threat-or-myth-in-the-making/

[the_vast_mystery]

Oh I also had a weird thought the other day, What if some people are aliens but they do not know they are aliens? If they are told they are human and the whole world think they are human but they are really alien, how would anyone know?

This is an excellent point, and is why it would be paramount not to demonize entire swathes of people, even with these hybrid genetics as Evil or demonic. They may have inherited certain traits but they're still in human form and while they might be a more capable human they're still not supermen/women who can fly faster than the speed of sound or bend steel beams bare handed. When dealing with enemy spies it is far wiser to give them incentives to switch sides and hand over their intel versus just being paranoid and shooting them all. You might miss out on some really worthwhile souls who want to end the struggle just the same as everyone else if you don't treat people on a case by case basis.

[dddanieljjjamesss]

Only on page 4, still have much to read.
I am in support of the information in this thread.
I would like to know more.

[Debra]

Black eyes .. is it an urban myth ? Does it happen elsewhere in the world, any reportings? I think it strange too that the accounts of these children reveal some odd behaviours. How do they live, where do they live? They ask for help, and never go further if someone declines letting them inside a house. Most strange.

I remember a baby - close to me - who was born with black eyes but the colour of the eyes changed after a while. Not the whole of her eyes were black - as that radio discussion related - but dark enough that they were quite startling. She would stare for hours, pick her points of focus and stare with these little black eyes.

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[GoingOn]

wynderer, thank you for initiating a most important thread.

As a new member of PA, I have not divulged much about myself (and there isn't much interesting to tell). I don't mean to derail or overwhelm this thread; just a couple of thoughts after reflecting on the information from everyone who has participated so far.

For most of my life, I've thought Reptilians are responsible for sociopathic behaviors.
I also think it's possible some demons are responsible for some Reptilian behaviors.
The woman who raised me is apparently a classic sociopath.
I think of her as displaying classic demonic Reptilian behaviours (face morphing is one of her many talents).
As a child, I longed for the day I would discover a hidden adoption certificate so I could prove to everyone that I was not directly blood related to her.
If she and I both know what's good for us (always open to debate) we will not meet again in this lifetime. And, for the record, I expect her to survive for another ten to 15 years. In another country.

Ammit spoke of people who look dead (see post #117). The mention of "too many joints in their legs" caught my attention; this is a clear sign to me that the person is not as human as one might wish to believe. Actually, it creeps me out. Half of me wants to run up to the body and say "No, you're doing it wrong, do it like this!" and the other half of me wants to run in the opposite direction. My compromise is to walk away without making any direct thought contact.

[wynderer]

thanks, GoingOn -- i started this thread w/the intention of sharing my stories & providing articles & links to awaken Humans to the fact that the invasion & takeover of their planet is on a new level now --

& that you are being infiltrated by Human-looking but not Human-souled beings in rather large numbers at this time -- & that one part of the Wipe-Out-The-Humans program involves robots as well as hybrids & clones

check out VanSak's thread re this End-The-Humans program also

i've spent quite a few years posting on forums trying to get folks to wake up to this -- & i'm getting really weary -- Stephanie Relfe recently told me that all the abductees she knows are broke, sick, & not in a 'relationship' [tho, on the plus side, if i want to drive away some jerky guy , i just have to tell him about the abduction, & he runs from the crazy lady]

Humans really are a dumbed-down species, tho there are some who are waking up, w/these new energies -- a passing window of opportunity to get free of the Matrix, that few will do -- the newagers who accept their particular channelers as their new religion will not get free, unless their hearts are already open --

but then they'd likely be actively doing something to stop what's going on [not including group meditations/visualizations, which feed the entity behind the channeler of choice], & newagers don't like to look at what's right under their noses --they call it 'fear porn' [referring to their own fear -- Humans seem to get easily spooked]

i have no hesitation, when meeting some weird Human-looking being such as you describe, in saying, 'Feets, do your duty!' & in putting as much space as i can between me & them --

if those black-eyed kids come knocking on my door some night, i am not inviting them in for hot cocoa & cookies -- not out of fear on my part, but from a healthy sense of self-preservation, & because i try to hang out w/nice folks only

i'm in the process of weaning myself away from years of try-to-wake-them-up postings on forums -- i am getting into place all that/who i need to begin the work of remembering what happened during my abductions

this will be very personal work & will require a lot of attention -- meanwhile the clones & hybrids are being 'seeded' into your communities/cities --

wyn






wynderer, thank you for initiating a most important thread.

As a new member of PA, I have not divulged much about myself (and there isn't much interesting to tell). I don't mean to derail or overwhelm this thread; just a couple of thoughts after reflecting on the information from everyone who has participated so far.

For most of my life, I've thought Reptilians are responsible for sociopathic behaviors.
I also think it's possible some demons are responsible for some Reptilian behaviors.
The woman who raised me is apparently a classic sociopath.
I think of her as displaying classic demonic Reptilian behaviours (face morphing is one of her many talents).
As a child, I longed for the day I would discover a hidden adoption certificate so I could prove to everyone that I was not directly blood related to her.
If she and I both know what's good for us (always open to debate) we will not meet again in this lifetime. And, for the record, I expect her to survive for another ten to 15 years. In another country.

Ammit spoke of people who look dead (see post #117). The mention of "too many joints in their legs" caught my attention; this is a clear sign to me that the person is not as human as one might wish to believe. Actually, it creeps me out. Half of me wants to run up to the body and say "No, you're doing it wrong, do it like this!" and the other half of me wants to run in the opposite direction. My compromise is to walk away without making any direct thought contact.

[Debra]

from Rantaak's post # 104

Such a display of power is truly a rare occurrence and is coincidentally incapable of appearing on youtube or video (to my knowledge).


it's not a 'display of power ' -- it's a breakdown of their ability to hold their Human form because of the new energies coming in -- Arizona Wilder mentioned this

this also explains why SO MANY CHILDREN ARE GOING MISSING RIGHT NOW -- some Reptilians who totally control/live in their Human bodies -- the Reptilian walk-ins -- need the blood of pure souls to keep their forms

No, the ones abducting children do not have that kind of power. That's why they feel the need to abduct children.



Rantaak, I hope you are checking in here. Can you please tell why you are so certain about the ones who abduct children? I only ask because I am querying here the sources for this information. Is this from your own experience? Or, from what you have read? Or viewed on a video?

I think it is important - and not just from yourself - but all of us! I think it is important that we provide that kind of information when we make claims as certain as this.

And of course, I must be honest with you, I am intrigued to know more about yourself - in relation to this knowledge field. If your knowing does actually come from some form of experience with hybrids and clones, it would be great if you could expand on this a little more. It would be very valuable, I think.

Only if you so wish to share, naturally.

[GoingOn]

Warning, this is a long post. If it's too long to read and someone wants to know the point of it all, it's this: wyn has taught me a great deal in this thread and others could learn by reading and thinking before posting. :)


thanks, GoingOn -- i started this thread w/the intention of sharing my stories & providing articles & links to awaken Humans to the fact that the invasion & takeover of their planet is on a new level now --

& that you are being infiltrated by Human-looking but not Human-souled beings in rather large numbers at this time -- & that one part of the Wipe-Out-The-Humans program involves robots as well as hybrids & clones


Agreed. I began reading because I wanted to learn from your experiences. Events in my life led me to that conclusion a long time ago. And I think these beings w/o human souls will self-destruct just to take out a few humans. So I am irritated by the half of me that wants to give instructions on how to look more human.



Humans really are a dumbed-down species, tho there are some who are waking up, w/these new energies -- a passing window of opportunity to get free of the Matrix, that few will do -- the newagers who accept their particular channelers as their new religion will not get free, unless their hearts are already open --

but then they'd likely be actively doing something to stop what's going on [not including group meditations/visualizations, which feed the entity behind the channeler of choice], & newagers don't like to look at what's right under their noses --they call it 'fear porn' [referring to their own fear -- Humans seem to get easily spooked]


wyn, I wonder if I have yet to "see" my own problems. It seems I have a faulty connection to fear. People around me express great fear and can even experience an inability to move (other than to babble incoherently) when something dangerous is happening in 3D, while I seem to lack the notion that "I'm going to die" and will take physical action to prevent or minimize the danger. I seem to have the same reactions (or lack of reactions) to "fear porn."

Is is wrong to translate "fear" (whatever that is) into a call for thought and action? Is it unhuman to do that? I welcome your input without holding you accountable to give answers. Your below answers helped me a lot, thanks:



i have no hesitation, when meeting some weird Human-looking being such as you describe, in saying, 'Feets, do your duty!' & in putting as much space as i can between me & them --

if those black-eyed kids come knocking on my door some night, i am not inviting them in for hot cocoa & cookies -- not out of fear on my part, but from a healthy sense of self-preservation, & because i try to hang out w/nice folks only


I find it quite draining to find nice folks and I mean no disrespect by that remark. Your opening post on this thread was one of a handful that prompted me to apply for PA membership; I respect your plan even though it could mean I won't have a chance to speak more with you:



i'm in the process of weaning myself away from years of try-to-wake-them-up postings on forums -- i am getting into place all that/who i need to begin the work of remembering what happened during my abductions

this will be very personal work & will require a lot of attention -- meanwhile the clones & hybrids are being 'seeded' into your communities/cities --

wyn


Much respect to you for what you are about to do. Over the last three decades, I've found two therapists who accept that I am not like "other" humans and will not go further than that. Perhaps I would do better to focus more on my (apparent) ability to recognize non-humans, and less on questions about what might be happening to my 3D body by these non-humans. Of course, that's something that no one else can answer for me.

[Debra]

For many years, I have supported abductees actively. And I don´t mean just interacting with them on an internet forum. I put myself in the public eye, I was in the front line with them and I went for it, to raise awareness and demand the help they needed, instead of the ridicule and invalidation. Unfortunately I also paid for it, I almost lost my life. And as an abductee, I assume that you know very well what an attack can be like when they try to shut you down and stuff up your life.

[ThePythonicCow]

Mod-Note:

I have split this thread into two threads. It was difficult to read and stay on topic, as some 69 or so of the posts were (in the view of the original poster) off-topic, or responses thereto, or discussions of such.

So I split that thread into two threads - some 99 posts (as of the time I write this) remain on this original thread, and some 69 "off-topic" posts are now moved to the new thread: The Hybrids & Clones Amongst Us (various off-topic posts) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?45376-The-Hybrids-Clones-Amongst-Us--various-off-topic-posts-).

This surgery was not clean ... some posts had portions that could have been placed on either thread.

But perhaps this split will clean up this original thread somewhat and make it easier reading.

[Rantaak]

wynderer, thank you for initiating a most important thread.

As a new member of PA, I have not divulged much about myself (and there isn't much interesting to tell). I don't mean to derail or overwhelm this thread; just a couple of thoughts after reflecting on the information from everyone who has participated so far.

For most of my life, I've thought Reptilians are responsible for sociopathic behaviors.
I also think it's possible some demons are responsible for some Reptilian behaviors.
The woman who raised me is apparently a classic sociopath.
I think of her as displaying classic demonic Reptilian behaviours (face morphing is one of her many talents).
As a child, I longed for the day I would discover a hidden adoption certificate so I could prove to everyone that I was not directly blood related to her.
If she and I both know what's good for us (always open to debate) we will not meet again in this lifetime. And, for the record, I expect her to survive for another ten to 15 years. In another country.

Ammit spoke of people who look dead (see post #117). The mention of "too many joints in their legs" caught my attention; this is a clear sign to me that the person is not as human as one might wish to believe. Actually, it creeps me out. Half of me wants to run up to the body and say "No, you're doing it wrong, do it like this!" and the other half of me wants to run in the opposite direction. My compromise is to walk away without making any direct thought contact.

Yup!.... Wait... TOO MANY JOINTS IN THEIR LEGS?!?!? That sent a few shivers down my spine.

I've seen that before.. In the dreamworld... my father. There is a chapter in my novel detailing this.

I have long suspected that he is an organic portal or some such catastrophe.

Oddly enough I have also suspected that we are not as related as it would seem.

For the first eighteen years of my life, I struggled with severe sociopathy. There was a lot of developmental trauma. I was basically immediately thrown into a world where everyone was in some way responding to my unique child-like and simultaneously masculine and feminine energy. A few years ago, we addressed the issue neurologically and all is well now :-) Either that or I've become so good at appearing genuine that I fool myself :bounce:

You can't fake being genuine, as Bill Ryan (O Captain, my comrade) has stated. You certainly can try, but it will become transparent to anyone who is truly genuine.

I would be interested to hear if anyone else has sighted beings with too many joints in their legs. When I saw my father as such, he was leaning against the kitchen counter with his arms crossed in his home which I visited twice a week as a child. I had this dream when I was physically very young, probably about seven or eight years old. His legs extended into the tiled floor and then angled back up, out of the floor where they formed an additional knee-like joint which angled down again into his feet. He looked at me quizzically and said, "What's wrong?" It still gives me the heebie jeebies just thinking about it... He's a very odd looking man in the first place too, so the surreality of this experience was confounding beyond measure.

[pugwash84]

Wynderer, I think you sound a lot like me.
I do not think I am a reptile but my Nanna may disagree, she is a loony who said I was the spawn of the Devil and tried to burn me. She always loved my brothers and sisters more than me too and got them gifts and left me out because she said I was not my Dads child. She was a crazy nasty lady. (I think humans seem to be more nasty than aliens at times.)
I'm about 5'7 nearly 5'8 and very intelligent and also my friends think I'm slightly psychic, I am lucky because I have a few friends who love my crazy :) lol

[Bill Ryan]

You can't fake being genuine, as Bill Ryan (O Captain, my comrade) has stated. You certainly can try, but it will become transparent to anyone who is truly genuine.



My favorite quote:




Honesty and integrity make the world go round. If you can fake that, you've got it made.
-- Groucho Marx

[wynderer]

this thread has stayed in the back of my mind as unfinished -- i didn't write about my Grey walk-in friend, who gave me permission to write about her

[ED209]

Don't take this the wrong way, I appreciate the sharing, but I kind of have a problem with people walking around thinking they are superior to the rest of us for any reason, reptilian or otherwise, and I think many people probably think the same thing. I don't like it. I don't think it is appropriate for this forum. You shouldn't be surprised if claims of superiority result in negativity from others. I do not fawn all over people that claim to be of better stock than myself for information. You shoukd not be surprised. We are all in this life and planet together equally. Or at least that is how it should be. I thought reptilians were supposed to be the bad guys, anyway. So are reptilian hybrids bad or what? Don't answer that. I don't want to stereotype any more than what has already been done here. What is so wrong with just being human? Trying to classify people based on characteristics that are subjectively deemed superior is supremist. This sort of thread is dividing to me and just doesn't sit well in my mind or heart. There is enough prejudice in the world as it is.

Also, btw, many animals have different blood types. Are you saying that aliens came and made hybrids of everything? Dogs, cats, storks, everything?

[wynderer]

it's just a fact, a reality, that Reptilians consider Humans to be quite stupid -- as they have been controlling Human minds for millennia [see Houman's archon thread, esp Observer's posts], they may have a point

the intent of this thread was not to discuss the Reptilian superiority complex & whether or not we like it -- the intent was to alert you all to the fact that Reptilian/Human hybrids are being 'seeded' thruout this world, & that Grey clones are illegally taking over Human bodies


Don't take this the wrong way, I appreciate the sharing, but I kind of have a problem with people walking around thinking they are superior to the rest of us for any reason, reptilian or otherwise, and I think many people probably think the same thing. I don't like it. I don't think it is appropriate for this forum. You shouldn't be surprised if claims of superiority result in negativity from others. I do not fawn all over people that claim to be of better stock than myself for information. You shoukd not be surprised. We are all in this life and planet together equally. Or at least that is how it should be. I thought reptilians were supposed to be the bad guys, anyway. So are reptilian hybrids bad or what? Don't answer that. I don't want to stereotype any more than what has already been done here. What is so wrong with just being human? Trying to classify people based on characteristics that are subjectively deemed superior is supremist. This sort of thread is dividing to me and just doesn't sit well in my mind or heart. There is enough prejudice in the world as it is.

Also, btw, many animals have different blood types. Are you saying that aliens came and made hybrids of everything? Dogs, cats, storks, everything?

[ED209]

Thanks for the clarification.

[Kristin]

Warning to those that are easily triggered, this may not be an easy read.

There was a military program in the Finger Lakes region of upstate New York that sought out and abducted children in the early seventies. Entire families were involved. Military and "others" even went into schools and tested these children to find out if they had certain penchants for mind control, remote viewing, kinetic abilities and so on.

Submarines where used to navigate these very deep lakes at night and take these children in where they were then experimented on. Children were strapped to chairs, had strobe lights flared at them through goggles and were put into psychosis while drugs where pumped into their veins to promote splitting and multiple personalities. Some of these children where physically and sexually tortured to ascertain how much pain they could take; those that made it where shipped out into other programs and used as assets for alleged on and off world missions.

Many of the children that where targeted as having gifts and abilities where harvested from families with masonic ties and with connections to politics and Illuminati bloodlines. The number of UFO sightings at this time in that area was off the charts. (To the point where it was regular table conversation.) A great deal of these abductions occurred with the help of the Romulus Military base and with a deal that was struck with the local Romulus Elementary School who allowed access to classrooms by these controllers to test potential children. This was done through an elementary principal who was later fired on child molestation allegations.

The idea that this area of upstate New York was (and perhaps still is) a hotbed for this type of activity is not only tangible, but has witnesses to confirm. I will not open up this dialog as to the source of this information... however, I am personally willing to discuss this subject with the most honesty and integrity that I have from the information that I know.

From the Heart,
Kristin

PS, this is to support some of the evidence that was stated prior at the beginning of this thread and is a piece of the puzzle to be considered. I mean no derailment, only supportive information.

[wynderer]

THANK YOU Kristen for this post -- tho upon reading just the first bit, my body instantly began doing things that i know from experience are saying, 'Alert! Alert! Dangerous memory resurfacing!' -- going automatically into a self-defense posture, breathing getting short & quick, muscles tensing , hypervigilance activated

in my phone consult w/Duncan & Miranda [paid for by an inactive Avalon member -- thanks ] , there was a lot of interference -- at times, Miranda had to act as the go-between w/what Duncan was saying to me

one thing i did get was that his saying that there was a LOT of milab stuff going on in the Finger Lakes area

i found it somewhat ironic that i was having the attempted Skype consult from right within the 'heart' of the milab program -- Cornell U, which i'd learned, i think from Alex Constantine's site, was where the funds for all the mind-control programs were channeled [also where my bio father & mother met, him thru OSS recruitment program -- i think he flunked out]

Kristen -- any connection to the OZ books by L Frank Baum w/what you know? -- the artist drew some of his images from the land here -- very beautiful , w, i think, many natural Earth energy portals

wyn

[Kristin]

Hello Wyn,
No connection that I am aware of... though I feel it would be interesting to look into it. Are any of those images on line? What do you see as the connection? You are in good hands with Duncan and Miranda. They have been very instrumental to my own recovery. ;) I do not doubt the connection with Cornell University. I know one of these abductees who ended up going there.

From the Heart,
Kristin

What are the years that you were involved?

[wynderer]

Hi Kristin -- i was taught to read at the age of 3 on the original book of 'The Wizard of Oz' -- the first book i remember being read to me was the original [ as in non-Disney] 'Alice in Wonderland' when i was a bit younger -- apparently the Alice programming did not take, tho i don't especially like mirrors -- but i read all the OZ books thru over & over again -- as i say, reading the OZ books predisposes a child to understanding interdimensional travel

i sometimes think i was one of the earliest group of MK Ultra kids -- &, tho i grew up in the Philly area, i associate the OZ thing w/Cornell -- a lot of casualties in the first groups --

edit to add : that Romulus base always has given me the creeps when i've driven by it -- it's huge, w/no buildings visible from the highway i've gone by it on -- they were doing a lot of construction there a while ago -- all those trucks in & out

dark heavy vibes in the village of Romulus also -- NY State is the 'Empire State'

wyn


from the article/link below:
'Programming is updated periodically and reinforced through visual, auditory and written mediums. Some of the first programming themes included the Wizard of Oz and Alice and Wonderland, both heavily saturated with occultic symbolism.'
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_mindcon02.htm

'The Evolution of Project MKULTRA -- Project Monarch -- Nazi Mind Control'

by Ron Patton

from ThinkAboutIt Website

Amidst the subtle cerebral circumvention of the gullible populace, through a multitude of manipulated mediums, lies one of the most diabolical atrocities perpetrated upon a segment of the human race; a form of systematic mind control which has permeated every aspect of society for almost fifty years.

To objectively ascertain the following, one may need to re-examine preconceived ideologies relating to the dualistic nature of mankind.

Resolving the philosophical question of whether we are inherently good or inherently evil is tantamount in shaping our perception of reality; specifically, the spiritual variable within the equation of life.

This exposition is substantiated by declassified U.S. government documents, individuals formerly connected to the U.S. intelligence communities, historical writings, researchers knowledgeable in mind control, publications from mental health practitioners, and interviews taken from survivors unwittingly subjected to a highly complex form of trauma-based mind control known as MONARCH programming.

A word of caution for survivors of intensively systematic mind control and/or some form of ritualized abuse: There are numerous "triggers" in this article.

It is therefore recommended not to read it unless appropriate support systems are in place or if you have a thoroughly reintegrated personality.'
[clip]

[Bill Ryan]

Don't take this the wrong way, I appreciate the sharing, but I kind of have a problem with people walking around thinking they are superior to the rest of us for any reason, reptilian or otherwise, and I think many people probably think the same thing. I don't like it. I don't think it is appropriate for this forum.

ED209, thanks for your thoughts and feelings, which I respect. It's an important topic that you raise.

I've studied these subjects for quite a long time. There are tens of thousands of people on the planet -- and a lot of them gravitate to forums like this! -- who in one way or another perceive themselves as "different".

There are many ways in which this feeling of "difference" manifests. In my experience, none of the people I have met and talked with (and there are many!) consider themselves "superior".

Rather, they're trying to put a puzzle together, and this often involves retrieving suppressed memories which are often disturbing or even traumatic. The issue becomes even harder to deal with when they feel that there is a danger of rejection or ridicule if they share their thoughts and feelings with others.

For this reason, I am committed to creating a safe space on Avalon for people to share their experiences. Sometimes, someone may have a piece of another person's puzzle. This is one of the great values of open, non-judgmental dialog.

The issues of hybrids and clones is just one of many. If you've not read it, here's Dr David Jacobs' book THE THREAT.

http://projectavalon.net/David_Jacobs_The_Threat.pdf

For anyone concerned with these and similar issues, this is mandatory reading.

Here are some more related issues -- which I've personally experienced in conversation with others:


Those who have worked in black projects.
Those who were Illuminati children.
Those who have suffered sexual or emotional abuse at their hands of their family.
Those who have been abducted by ETs or the military for unknown purposes.
Those who have vivid past-life memories of things that they do not understand.
Those who have had very real close encounters with entities or beings that were terrifying and bewildering.

There are quite a few more out there, also. Some of these categories are multiply inter-related.

Having experienced these things is no fun. It makes a mess of one's life. It makes relationships difficult (and sometimes this is an understatement). It makes one feel one is an outcast, or that there is something wrong with oneself -- far from feeling superior! One can harbor deep feelings of guilt or shame which are really hard to dispel as all the circumstances involved are simply not known.

This is an important statement. I'm going to copy this to the Horus-Ra thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit&p=542558&viewfull=1#post542558) as well. ED209, sincere thanks to you again for your post and for your contribution to the discussion. It gives me the opportunity to explain this more clearly, and for the benefit of all.

[bogeyman]

They are a bridge.

[ED209]

Don't take this the wrong way, I appreciate the sharing, but I kind of have a problem with people walking around thinking they are superior to the rest of us for any reason, reptilian or otherwise, and I think many people probably think the same thing. I don't like it. I don't think it is appropriate for this forum.

ED209, thanks for your thoughts and feelings, which I respect. It's an important topic that you raise.

I've studied these subjects for quite a long time. There are tens of thousands of people on the planet -- and a lot of them gravitate to forums like this! -- who in one way or another perceive themselves as "different".

There are many ways in which this feeling of "difference" manifests. In my experience, none of the people I have met and talked with (and there are many!) consider themselves "superior".

Rather, they're trying to put a puzzle together, and this often involves retrieving suppressed memories which are often disturbing or even traumatic. The issue becomes even harder to deal with when they feel that there is a danger of rejection or ridicule if they share their thoughts and feelings with others.

For this reason, I am committed to creating a safe space on Avalon for people to share their experiences. Sometimes, someone may have a piece of another person's puzzle. This is one of the great values of open, non-judgmental dialog.

The issues of hybrids and clones is just one of many. If you've not read it, here's Dr David Jacobs' book THE THREAT.

http://projectavalon.net/David_Jacobs_The_Threat.pdf

For anyone concerned with these and similar issues, this is mandatory reading.

Here are some more related issues -- which I've personally experienced in conversation with others:


Those who have worked in black projects.
Those who were Illuminati children.
Those who have suffered sexual or emotional abuse at their hands of their family.
Those who have been abducted by ETs or the military for unknown purposes.
Those who have vivid past-life memories of things that they do not understand.
Those who have had very real close encounters with entities or beings that were terrifying and bewildering.

There are quite a few more out there, also. Some of these categories are multiply inter-related.

Having experienced these things is no fun. It makes a mess of one's life. It makes relationships difficult (and sometimes this is an understatement). It makes one feel one is an outcast, or that there is something wrong with oneself -- far from feeling superior! One can harbor deep feelings of guilt or shame which are really hard to dispel as all the circumstances involved are simply not known.

This is an important statement. I'm going to copy this to the Horus-Ra thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit&p=542558&viewfull=1#post542558) as well. ED209, sincere thanks to you again for your post and for your contribution to the discussion. It gives me the opportunity to explain this more clearly, and for the benefit of all.

Thank you, Bill, for that clarification. And thank you Wynderer for sharing and putting up with my misunderstanding. I appreciate it. I have worked with a lot of traumatized folks, and the coping/understanding tone of this thread is very different than say a standard human suffering from PTSD would be -- it is much more open and present (which is a good thing) -- so it threw me. I thought Wynderer was saying that hybrids are just superior to regular old humans. In all fairness the thread is called "For the Hybrids and Clones Among Us," but I was really drawn to reading through it just to read about experiences that are outside of my own reality.

[bogeyman]

They are here to learn so they can teach us. After the intervention. Spiritual matters, balance. That is all I am saying.

[Rantaak]

from Rantaak's post # 104

Such a display of power is truly a rare occurrence and is coincidentally incapable of appearing on youtube or video (to my knowledge).


it's not a 'display of power ' -- it's a breakdown of their ability to hold their Human form because of the new energies coming in -- Arizona Wilder mentioned this

this also explains why SO MANY CHILDREN ARE GOING MISSING RIGHT NOW -- some Reptilians who totally control/live in their Human bodies -- the Reptilian walk-ins -- need the blood of pure souls to keep their forms

No, the ones abducting children do not have that kind of power. That's why they feel the need to abduct children.



Rantaak, I hope you are checking in here. Can you please tell why you are so certain about the ones who abduct children? I only ask because I am querying here the sources for this information. Is this from your own experience? Or, from what you have read? Or viewed on a video?

I think it is important - and not just from yourself - but all of us! I think it is important that we provide that kind of information when we make claims as certain as this.

And of course, I must be honest with you, I am intrigued to know more about yourself - in relation to this knowledge field. If your knowing does actually come from some form of experience with hybrids and clones, it would be great if you could expand on this a little more. It would be very valuable, I think.

Only if you so wish to share, naturally.

Hi Zebra. I am now checking in because I saw this thread again in the "new posts" area. I appreciate your curiosity and eagerness to listen to what someone like me has to say.

All of the information I share here on Project Avalon is from personal experience, of which I have had much. I make bold claims, often without explicit empirical explanations, and that is because regardless of the extent to which I go to explain or validate my beliefs it is still your personal choice to accept, reject, or consider them. I will allow you to indulge me in defining myself for the purposes of demonstrating validity.

I was born into this body with abilities that I have refined in many other lifetimes. I came here from the eighth density of vibration, where any manifestation of duality is explicitly non-dual. My spirit or higher self is unlike most human incarnations, as it is without gender instead of being of both genders. So spiritually, I am a eunuch. I work with the Elves, the Fae and the Dragons, as well as other groups that I am not at liberty to discuss at this moment in time. I have met many, many other beings of similar nature to myself, some of which even belong to the same family which I came from before incarnating on Earth. One of them is dead (as of January 2011), the other is Drunvalo Melchizedek (we are brothers). There are a few others who I do not remember enough about to name or identify. I have been to many places in the unfolding of the Earth game, though my memory is still being returned to me. I was in Atlantis when it fell (and long before), as one of the "elite" group you may have heard of which acted as a sort of spiritual government. We knew exactly what was going to happen and we still allowed it to happen, just as I now allow the elites of today to continue their work, such as the Vatican and the Rothschilds. I work with a lady who has received many death threats from these groups. She is the Sirian queen and works in the Gold business. I was also in Greece a looooong time ago and Egypt during many of its rulerships. Again, I know who I was back then but if I tell you it might evoke feelings that would be counterproductive. All you need to know is that this is my final Earther incarnation. Enough.

My knowledge and energy comes to me from the tiny and sacred space of my heart. My mind still works when I utilize this mechanism, but it must be relaxed as not to interfere or filter it out. The brain is a dualistic mechanism, and will filter the Unity that comes from within us into duality. If you are a musician, you can very easily understand this because you do it all of the time when you improvise. You stand with your instrument and stop thinking, which results in the muscles and the heart taking over your body. This is when the best improvisation takes place, when we fully let go of the mind. In order to do this, however, both hemispheres of the brain must be in complete synchronization such that the logical faculties agree impeccably with the emotional faculties, facilitating the antennae known to us as the Pineal Gland.

I would highly recommend reading the Principia Discordia, by Robert Anton Wilson (I think). He talks about a lot of this sort of stuff. Very empowering book. Also one of the funniest books I've ever read. I nearly suffocated from laughter many times throughout it.

I am done indulging in the auto-fellation of my own ego on this thread. If you have any personal questions to ask, feel free to message me :-)

Have a lovely day!

[mountain_jim]

Another recommendation for reading that from Robert Anton Wilson, as well as his other works for helpful points of view for confronting and rooting out beliefs and belief systems which may be holding one's progress back.

[SEAM]

From David Jabobs, "The Threat":

"During the subsequent hypnotic sessions with me, the abductees recall events that can be
profoundly disturbing, bizarre, and frightening. When asked if they would undergo
hypnosis and relive their experiences if they had a choice to do so all over again, they are
often ambivalent. While most say yes and some are uncertain, a few say no—they would
rather not know what has been happening to them"

Five years ago, My gentle giant Barney (Golden Retriever) developed cancer. We took him to the Vet (many times) to try and save him. He used to scream when he was put on the Vets table, (I always left the room.. couldn't bear to watch) because he knew this wasn't going to be pleasant. But before I would leave, I always would hug him and attempt to explain why this was for his benefit... I knew he didn't understand, but I also knew I was right!

Most abductees say the little ones do the work, while the tall ones, who enter the room long enough to emit some quick love... then leave.

"My mind is open.. My hearts "jury" is still out...

[wynderer]

dogs can be healed of cancer thru natural/non-hurtful means as well as humans -- what one gives the Universe permission to be done to another, one also gives the permission for the same to be done to oneself

my Grey walk-in friend [apparently just as brainwashed as most regular Humans] also tells me that her abductions are to take care of her -- i have tried to point out to her that she is not in good health, & spends a lot of time at docs & in hospitals

short or tall, they lie


From David Jabobs, "The Threat":

"During the subsequent hypnotic sessions with me, the abductees recall events that can be
profoundly disturbing, bizarre, and frightening. When asked if they would undergo
hypnosis and relive their experiences if they had a choice to do so all over again, they are
often ambivalent. While most say yes and some are uncertain, a few say no—they would
rather not know what has been happening to them"

Five years ago, My gentle giant Barney (Golden Retriever) developed cancer. We took him to the Vet (many times) to try and save him. He used to scream when he was put on the Vets table, (I always left the room.. couldn't bear to watch) because he knew this wasn't going to be pleasant. But before I would leave, I always would hug him and attempt to explain why this was for his benefit... I knew he didn't understand, but I also knew I was right!

Most abductees say the little ones do the work, while the tall ones, who enter the room long enough to emit some quick love... then leave.

"My mind is open.. My hearts "jury" is still out...

[SEAM]

Also from David Jacobs (page 16):

"Hypnosis is easy. As long as a person wants to be hypnotized, anybody can do it. Asking
the right questions in the right way, at the right time, and interpreting the answers is
where the trouble comes in". (the definition of subjectivity)

In Dolores Cannon's "The Convoluted Universe" series (four times 600+ pages). She numerously states with conviction, that This kind of statement is the antithesis of her 30 plus years of research.

Begs the question.. who's right?... (All I see is a forest);)

(in my best George Castanza voice - "Messenger doesn't like getting shot at!")

[Kristin]

Also from David Jacobs (page 16):

("Hypnosis is easy. As long as a person wants to be hypnotized, anybody can do it. Asking
the right questions in the right way, at the right time, and interpreting the answers is
where the trouble comes in". (the definition of subjectivity)

In Dolores Cannon's "The Convoluted Universe" series (four times 600+ pages). She numerously states with conviction, that This kind of statement is the antithesis of her 30 plus years of research. )

It's a slippery slope to be sure. We have to look at this with the utmost care. SOMETHING is going on, that's a fact. What the agenda is, well that's the question. The best thing to do is rely on our own experiences and to push the envelope of those experiences. For example, those who are still in contact and are being abducted should try to ask the hard questions and see what types of answers they are getting. The best research is done in the field. First and foremost, we must remember that this is being done without our permission in most cases. That means that secrecy is important to the agenda. Dolores Cannon also states that of the many regressions that she has done never once did she encounter a military abduction... now I find that hard to believe. She also states that all the interactions are of a benevolent nature. That is also hard to believe. Who is using who here? What would appear more credible then a grandmother telling her grandchildren that it's all on the up and up?

How is it OK for a person to be abused when they obviously say NO to the abduction? Where is the care and understanding in that? Why would we need to have memories erased? I suggest caution and research to be the best guides that there are. Do not believe everything we read, but also take into consideration everything. "Everything" is inclusive of all the information that suggests these contacts are benevolent to all the information that suggests that there is a dark agenda being enacted here. Somewhere in between the truth exists.

Obviously, the personal will and needs of the abducted are not being taken into account. That is a violation of freedom. That is serious. Who is to say that there is any spiritual evolution here on the part of the ET's? We are well adversed that our own species has not been overtly spiritual with it's own technological advances... this paradigm is also possible for them as well. Let's not discount it.

From the Heart,
Kristin

[wynderer]

i had my first hypnotherapy session last month -- it took a lot of emails & phone calls to find one i thought i could trust -- i was looking in the NYC area, w/in easy travelling distance

among others, i talked [phone] to 2 different women, each of whom recommended i acquaint myself w/Dolores Cannon's work , & who said that, after we had worked together, i'd learn that 'the Greys are my friends!!!' [sigh...]

i found one who had worked w/Budd Hopkins & was recommended by David Jacobs [ i have not asked for permission to use his name publickly, so will not post it here ] -- it was important to me that i find someone who knew about screen memories

just one session stirred up a lot -- i think sometimes, 'Do i REALLY want to do this?' -- my answer always 'Yes' -- [who knows? -- there might be freedom at the end of it]

a friend of mine relies on channelers [esp medical intuitives] a lot -- one is telling her she has something to do w/ETs -- she asked my opinion on this , whether to pursue it -- i asked her if she were having memories returning -- she said No -- my suggestion was to let sleeping dogs lie , that my life had changed drastically & not for the better since i woke up during that abduction






Also from David Jacobs (page 16):

[I]"Hypnosis is easy. As long as a person wants to be hypnotized, anybody can do it. Asking
the right questions in the right way, at the right time, and interpreting the answers is
where the trouble comes in". (the definition of subjectivity)

In Dolores Cannon's "The Convoluted Universe" series (four times 600+ pages). She numerously states with conviction, that This kind of statement is the antithesis of her 30 plus years of research.

Begs the question.. who's right?... (All I see is a forest);)

(in my best George Castanza voice - "Messenger doesn't like getting shot at!")

[SEAM]

Great response Kristen.
Dolores does make mention (book three - TCU) that there are negative forces involved. She specifically asks the SC (unified field Sub Conscious) about them and she was told that they have permission to access... as in non-interference. She clearly recognizes that there are bad guys involved...And she is told that for the most part (ad-lib from memory) that the bad guys are from the earth plane exclusively....

BUT... she refuses to allow fear into the equation.. She only mentions benevolent beings because she will not give one single iota of energy to the fear side!
I learned a long time ago that when I had a great idea, never to share it.. it disperses the energy, and nullifies the outcome. Thought is energy - a given.
Don't give legs to the wrong energy.. which is the main reason I don't post a lot of my own thoughts here - I know, weird.. but it's my own, and it's served me. I could write a book about my methods of "Zapping".. back to the 70's... but I only have so much in my tank, and I refuse to give you, and you, and you.. a piece of it.

As for the non interference - Whitley Strieber poses the question - Why only at night?! And DC was told that they don't want to interfere with Daily/Family/Work daytime dynamics.

Back to the Fear Equation..... and this is important. I was going to create an individual thread, but this is as good a place as any.


Changing gears here:
What if... again, What if.... as many folks claim... (DC claims it over and over, so you get a feeling of why she only divulges certain things).. That the thoughts we hold inside become the reality outside? We've all talked about this in post after post... Fear porn, et. al... What if, somehow, the Alternative community has been subjugated in the extreme to concentrate on all of these end-of-the-world scenarios, to the benefit of the dark? Maybe, just maybe, we've all been taken over! What if my brother, and my Mother - who have no fears on these topics, are the ones we need to be more like??

If the core belief's of the Sheeple (majority - "Everythings fine") were to manifest the outcome, who's side are we really on?!

I remain, as stated above.. "Jury Out".. for my sake, my families sake, and maybe, just maybe, humanities sake. ....Food for thought, indeed.

For me, this entire Thread, as a majority of all threads here are about this one concrete inescapable subject - FEAR. Every other chapter in the convoluted universe series focuses on the same question.. or as another PA member would ask - Fear - What is it, and how to transcend it? ;)

[wynderer]

it may be about fear for you -- sorry, if that's the case -- for me, it's just more dealing w/what comes my way in life

what are you afraid of, if i may ask?



Great response Kristen.
Dolores does make mention (book three - TCU) that there are negative forces involved. She specifically asks the SC (unified field Sub Conscious) about them and she was told that they have permission to access... as in non-interference. She clearly recognizes that there are bad guys involved...And she is told that for the most part (ad-lib from memory) that the bad guys are from the earth plane exclusively....

BUT... she refuses to allow fear into the equation.. She only mentions benevolent beings because she will not give one single iota of energy to the fear side!
I learned a long time ago that when I had a great idea, never to share it.. it disperses the energy, and nullifies the outcome. Thought is energy - a given.
Don't give legs to the wrong energy.. which is the main reason I don't post a lot of my own thoughts here - I know, weird.. but it's my own, and it's served me. I could write a book about my methods of "Zapping".. back to the 70's... but I only have so much in my tank, and I refuse to give you, and you, and you.. a piece of it.

As for the non interference - Whitley Strieber poses the question - Why only at night?! And DC was told that they don't want to interfere with Daily/Family/Work daytime dynamics.

Back to the Fear Equation..... and this is important. I was going to create an individual thread, but this is as good a place as any.


Changing gears here:
What if... again, What if.... as many folks claim... (DC claims it over and over, so you get a feeling of why she only divulges certain things).. That the thoughts we hold inside become the reality outside? We've all talked about this in post after post... Fear porn, et. al... What if, somehow, the Alternative community has been subjugated in the extreme to concentrate on all of these end-of-the-world scenarios, to the benefit of the dark? Maybe, just maybe, we've all been taken over! What if my brother, and my Mother - who have no fears on these topics, are the ones we need to be more like??

If the core belief's of the Sheeple (majority - "Everythings fine") were to manifest the outcome, who's side are we really on?!

I remain, as stated above.. "Jury Out".. for my sake, my families sake, and maybe, just maybe, humanities sake. ....Food for thought, indeed.

For me, this entire Thread, as a majority of all threads here are about this one concrete inescapable subject - FEAR. Every other chapter in the convoluted universe series focuses on the same question.. or as another PA member would ask - Fear - What is it, and how to transcend it? ;)

[SEAM]

Wynderer - I am on your side, though you may not realize it. The reason I mentioned the forest for the trees is because I do not know what you have endured.

Dolores is almost giving her books away... She was told to disburse them as quickly as possible..as time is running out... When I bought the series, they were around $18 a piece times four...What struck me was she only charged one shipping charge, opposed to 4.. I thought about calling to correct as I didn't want to take advantage of a mistake... but Now she is selling all four books for $38.00!.. She really wants, and has been told to get this out there..... You may consider taking a look at them, to see perhaps another side that you haven't previously been exposed to?? It's all a matter of balance.. we all must be vigilant to FEAR.. don't LET it take precedence ... ZAP coming your way now.....

[wynderer]

sigh.. i have seen some of her videos

i know that the Greys are not our friends & are not here to help us -- & that they lie

edit to add -- they are not here to help Humans --

[Nickolai]

Dear Seam,

What you said sounds so right for me. For me it's sooo enomoursly biggy that I can not even express that since it's so multilevelled.
I tried to type it all out and then just gave up.

What if... again, What if.... as many folks claim... That the thoughts we hold inside become the reality outside? We've all talked about this in post after post... Fear porn, et. al... What if, somehow, the Alternative community has been subjugated in the extreme to concentrate on all of these end-of-the-world scenarios, to the benefit of the dark?Maybe, just maybe, we've all been taken over! What if my brother, and my Mother - who have no fears on these topics, are the ones we need to be more like??

For me it is obvious that if there is an hidden agenda then that should be the main one. take one away from inner peace, and deepen him into troubling outside.
All of those scandalous revelations, 'thruths' about those secret soscieties, expectations of the catastrophes, hidden agendas lead me away from me, from my fulfilment. They devor so much energy that could be used otherwise, bring me to division. To war inside, not peace.
As Seth (jane Roberts) once said: you can not win the war, with war, but you do it with peace. I paraphrased it..))

Yes, Seam! Thank you. It's nice to know that someone thinks on the same things.

Warmly,

Nickolai

[wynderer]

& now maybe we can talk about hybrids & clones & things? i wish someone would start a fear/fear porn thread -- it seems to be a very popular topic of discussion, turning up in all kinds of different threads

[Nickolai]

No, Wyn!

I am sorry.
It just startled me what SEAM wrote and I intruded the tread.

Warmly,

Nickolai

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Ok, this is a serious question.

Is there an objective way to find out if one is a clone and or hybrid Wynderer, what are characteristics i should look for in myself and or others to identify myself or others as such ?

Thanks in advance Wyn.

Ed

To add, i read the Op, does this mean the things you discribed are general characteristics because when those trades apply in a single person it makes it kind off obvious there is something special going on, or are we hiding in plain sight so to speak?

[wynderer]

hi Ed -- [lol at your personal signature]

i have read that our gov't -- the black ops part anyway -- has a database containing the names of all abductees -- these black-ops guys are the ones you'd have to go to for the objective info you asked about, i think -- & they're not telling


Ok, this is a serious question.

Is there an objective way to find out if one is a clone and or hybrid Wynderer, what are characteristics i should look for in myself and or others to identify myself or others as such ?

Thanks in advance Wyn.

Ed

[778 neighbour of some guy]

hi Ed -- [lol at your personal signature]

i have read that our gov't -- the black ops part anyway -- has a database containing the names of all abductees -- these black-ops guys are the ones you'd have to go to for the objective info you asked about, i think -- & they're not telling


Ok, this is a serious question.

Is there an objective way to find out if one is a clone and or hybrid Wynderer, what are characteristics i should look for in myself and or others to identify myself or others as such ?

Thanks in advance Wyn.

Ed

Ok i will try again, this time by quoting you from your OP,


OK -- on to a description of myself & then of a few i have met -- we are all tall , good-looking , highly intelligent, naturally good at sports & music , have some degree of psychic abilities , natural leaders , &, i am told, we are 'hotties'


highly intelligent -- my IQ tested at the top 1% level [tho here i must confess i cheated & took some of the answers from the mind of the lady giving me the test -- i was desperate to get some kind of credentials to convince the local school board that i was fit to teach my son at home -- & i did not have a degree -- my beloved Grandmother taught me when i was at her knee that one NEVER invades another person's mind w/o their permission -- but i HAD to get him out of that school -- ]
& one of the top research scientists at DuPont way back when [they paid him well just to think ] told his children, friends with my children, that i was the most intelligent woman he had ever met



good at sports -- varsity field hockey & basketball in HS, varsity field hockey in my brief one semester in college -- i love tennis, too

good at music -- i hold music sacred & don't like to sound like i'm bragging -- i had a hard enough time writing the above



Conclusion the characteristics you describe come across as follows, you are an extremely hot old chick who can think herself into a pretzelshape while playing a cool drumsolo and in the meanwhile knit flashy thongs out off stringtheory and use the force to make long distancecalls to the smoothiebar to get you some delivered.


Ok, i said i was serious and i am, you discribed yourself as one helluva special lady, and feel you stand out in some way since you do well at a lot of things, so are the special characteristics to look for in people those who seem to excel in everything they do and then raise a suspicious eyebrow or am i completely on the wrong train here?

I dont think i will get that gouvernment list so i am stuck with these questions now.

regards

Ed.

[Kimberley]

Hi I have not been following this thread, however I just received this link from a very trusted friend...I thought it might be of interest here...

Much love!


ANDROMEDA COUNCIL
REACHING OUT WITH HELP ACROSS THE HEAVENS
http://andromedacouncil.com/TheHardRealityAndDifficultTruth.html

[778 neighbour of some guy]

i had my first hypnotherapy session last month -- it took a lot of emails & phone calls to find one i thought i could trust -- i was looking in the NYC area, w/in easy travelling distance

among others, i talked [phone] to 2 different women, each of whom recommended i acquaint myself w/Dolores Cannon's work , & who said that, after we had worked together, i'd learn that 'the Greys are my friends!!!' [sigh...]

i found one who had worked w/Budd Hopkins & was recommended by David Jacobs [ i have not asked for permission to use his name publickly, so will not post it here ] -- it was important to me that i find someone who knew about screen memories

just one session stirred up a lot -- i think sometimes, 'Do i REALLY want to do this?' -- my answer always 'Yes' -- [who knows? -- there might be freedom at the end of it]

a friend of mine relies on channelers [esp medical intuitives] a lot -- one is telling her she has something to do w/ETs -- she asked my opinion on this , whether to pursue it -- i asked her if she were having memories returning -- she said No -- my suggestion was to let sleeping dogs lie , that my life had changed drastically & not for the better since i woke up during that abduction






Also from David Jacobs (page 16):

[I]"Hypnosis is easy. As long as a person wants to be hypnotized, anybody can do it. Asking
the right questions in the right way, at the right time, and interpreting the answers is
where the trouble comes in". (the definition of subjectivity)

In Dolores Cannon's "The Convoluted Universe" series (four times 600+ pages). She numerously states with conviction, that This kind of statement is the antithesis of her 30 plus years of research.

Begs the question.. who's right?... (All I see is a forest);)

(in my best George Castanza voice - "Messenger doesn't like getting shot at!")

welshseer AT aol.co.uk or welshseer AT hotmail.co.uk.

Thats the email adress off Carol Clarke, maybe she can help you out when you get stuck in the future, i believe she has a waiting list, David Icke is one of her clients, Bill has a thread about her. ) thats where the Email adresses come from).

Maybe something to consider.

Good luck.

[wynderer]

that self-description was an attempt to invite discussion -- at the present time i am not aware of any objective method of assessment -- tho i'm sure that among all the standardized tests & physical examinations given to schoolchildren, somewhere in there are ways to determine the objective info you mentioned

btw, it is now obvious to me that starting w/the self-description was a really lousy idea of mine -- lots of folks seem to get stuck on that

much more important to me are questions such as: how many in our military are programmed Human/Reptilian hybrids?

i did not describe myself as 'one helluva special lady' -- you did -- i'm likely older than you -- do they still teach respect for elders these days i wonder?





hi Ed -- [lol at your personal signature]

i have read that our gov't -- the black ops part anyway -- has a database containing the names of all abductees -- these black-ops guys are the ones you'd have to go to for the objective info you asked about, i think -- & they're not telling


Ok, this is a serious question.

Is there an objective way to find out if one is a clone and or hybrid Wynderer, what are characteristics i should look for in myself and or others to identify myself or others as such ?

Thanks in advance Wyn.

Ed

Ok i will try again, this time by quoting you from your OP,


OK -- on to a description of myself & then of a few i have met -- we are all tall , good-looking , highly intelligent, naturally good at sports & music , have some degree of psychic abilities , natural leaders , &, i am told, we are 'hotties'


highly intelligent -- my IQ tested at the top 1% level [tho here i must confess i cheated & took some of the answers from the mind of the lady giving me the test -- i was desperate to get some kind of credentials to convince the local school board that i was fit to teach my son at home -- & i did not have a degree -- my beloved Grandmother taught me when i was at her knee that one NEVER invades another person's mind w/o their permission -- but i HAD to get him out of that school -- ]
& one of the top research scientists at DuPont way back when [they paid him well just to think ] told his children, friends with my children, that i was the most intelligent woman he had ever met



good at sports -- varsity field hockey & basketball in HS, varsity field hockey in my brief one semester in college -- i love tennis, too

good at music -- i hold music sacred & don't like to sound like i'm bragging -- i had a hard enough time writing the above



Conclusion the characteristics you describe come across as follows, you are an extremely hot old chick who can think herself into a pretzelshape while playing a cool drumsolo and in the meanwhile knit flashy thongs out off stringtheory and use the force to make long distancecalls to the smoothiebar to get you some delivered.


Ok, i said i was serious and i am, you discribed yourself as one helluva special lady, and feel you stand out in some way since you do well at a lot of things, so are the special characteristics to look for in people those who seem to excel in everything they do and then raise a suspicious eyebrow or am i completely on the wrong train here?

I dont think i will get that gouvernment list so i am stuck with these questions now.

regards

Ed.

[Rantaak]

Conclusion the characteristics you describe come across as follows, you are an extremely hot old chick who can think herself into a pretzelshape while playing a cool drumsolo and in the meanwhile knit flashy thongs out off stringtheory and use the force to make long distancecalls to the smoothiebar to get you some delivered.


Bahahahahahahahahaha!

[wynderer]

yet another rather rude & immature response, by a member who hangs out w/'Dragons'




Conclusion the characteristics you describe come across as follows, you are an extremely hot old chick who can think herself into a pretzelshape while playing a cool drumsolo and in the meanwhile knit flashy thongs out off stringtheory and use the force to make long distancecalls to the smoothiebar to get you some delivered.


Bahahahahahahahahaha!

[RunningDeer]

Hi I have not been following this thread, however I just received this link from a very trusted friend...I thought it might be of interest here...

Much love!

ANDROMEDA COUNCIL
REACHING OUT WITH HELP ACROSS THE HEAVENS
http://andromedacouncil.com/TheHardRealityAndDifficultTruth.html
Thank you, Kimberley...I've copied the part of the article that triggered an "ah-ha moment".

When I see it a list, it helps me shake loose and begin to see how I’ve created fears by gradually buying into their systematic programing. The only thing I can change is myself, and my environment both inner and outer. The rest will go in the direction it takes.

I've read and re-read this list and remind myself I already know it. The one difference is over the last 4-5 months, I've given my power over to the fear porn reports. Time to get back to awareness and focus on my unique set of skills and actions, no matter how small they seem in any moment. How did I forget that?

Much love back!
WhiteCrowBlackDeer

"Reptilians - domination & control of Earth’s human populace.   
Their goal is and always has been:  domination, enslavement & control.  Directing and managing the human race to best serve them… with us as a slave race and as a natural resource for them.

How have they instituted this domination & control?  By basing the totality of Earth people’s lives around:  economics, money, earning a living.  Think of your monthly mortgage, or rent, & utilities.  This is absolutely a system of enslavement.  This is just one method of control.

How else have they instituted this control?  Infiltration and abuse of power at the highest levels of governments & the military.   What emotional ‘lever’ have they used to institute this control?   Fear. 

- Fear through the media news outlets promoting the idea of starting, or considering to start, a war;

- Fear through the starting of wars and killing of innocent people;

- Fear through initiating & promoting through the media news outlets the idea of possible “false flag” terrorism events;

- Fear through actually instigating and/or producing “false flag” events that kill hundreds or thousands of people, and worse;

- further enhancing that fear by creating & ‘passing’ laws which restrict individual human sovereign rights & freedoms;  

- perpetually instilling fear in people by beaming highly agitating, low energy electronic & sonic frequencies to a variety of locations & populations around the planet… that is until the Procyon people of the Andromeda Council destroyed their Reptilian undersea bases & frequency transmitter beacons; and the list goes on and pervades almost every aspect of our society.

It is time to end this global fear based control and influence on the human beings of this planet, our planet, Earth.

It is time for us to be free once more."

[wynderer]

thank you, WhiteCrowBlackDeer, [& Kimberley], for your intelligent & on-topic posts

& for explaining the fear response that many express when they talk about 'fear is our biggest enemy,' 'fear is their greatest weapon,' 'let us all resist fear porn together' etc, w/this from your post

'How else have they instituted this control? Infiltration and abuse of power at the highest levels of governments & the military. What emotional ‘lever’ have they used to institute this control? Fear. '

the phrase: 'what emotional lever...?...Fear'

i think i am understanding that Humans react to situations first thru emotions -- ??? -- & that fear is an emotion that Humans feel quite easily?

nobody seems to hear me when i say that i was not afraid during the one abduction of which i have good recall, & that when memories begin to surface, as they are doing these days, i use the fear response [heart beating fast, muscles tensing, going into hypervigilant mode, etc ] -- i use the fear response to identify a valid memory surfacing

fear is not their greatest weapon, imo -- maybe on the emotional level -- but it's their technology/weapons, coupled w/their dislike of Humans in general, which seems a greater threat to me

& this threat does not frighten me -- i do not feel fear when thinking about it -- i feel very sad, that the chance for Humans to live in peace & harmony w/all beings on a paradise planet -- the chance is rapidly slipping away

& sometimes i feel angry at the Reptilians for taking advantage of the weaknesses of Humans -- the same kind of anger i feel at Humans for taking advantage of the weaknesses of their Animal brothers & sisters









Hi I have not been following this thread, however I just received this link from a very trusted friend...I thought it might be of interest here...

Much love!

ANDROMEDA COUNCIL
REACHING OUT WITH HELP ACROSS THE HEAVENS
http://andromedacouncil.com/TheHardRealityAndDifficultTruth.html
Thank you, Kimberley...I've copied the part of the article that triggered an "ah-ha moment".

When I see it a list, it helps me shake loose and begin to see how I’ve created fears by gradually buying into their systematic programing. The only thing I can change is myself, and my environment both inner and outer. The rest will go in the direction it takes.

I've read and re-read this list and remind myself I already know it. The one difference is over the last 4-5 months, I've given my power over to the fear porn reports. Time to get back to awareness and focus on my unique set of skills and actions, no matter how small they seem in any moment. How did I forget that?

Much love back!
WhiteCrowBlackDeer

"Reptilians - domination & control of Earth’s human populace.   
Their goal is and always has been:  domination, enslavement & control.  Directing and managing the human race to best serve them… with us as a slave race and as a natural resource for them.

How have they instituted this domination & control?  By basing the totality of Earth people’s lives around:  economics, money, earning a living.  Think of your monthly mortgage, or rent, & utilities.  This is absolutely a system of enslavement.  This is just one method of control.

How else have they instituted this control?  Infiltration and abuse of power at the highest levels of governments & the military.   What emotional ‘lever’ have they used to institute this control?   Fear. 

- Fear through the media news outlets promoting the idea of starting, or considering to start, a war;

- Fear through the starting of wars and killing of innocent people;

- Fear through initiating & promoting through the media news outlets the idea of possible “false flag” terrorism events;

- Fear through actually instigating and/or producing “false flag” events that kill hundreds or thousands of people, and worse;

- further enhancing that fear by creating & ‘passing’ laws which restrict individual human sovereign rights & freedoms;  

- perpetually instilling fear in people by beaming highly agitating, low energy electronic & sonic frequencies to a variety of locations & populations around the planet… that is until the Procyon people of the Andromeda Council destroyed their Reptilian undersea bases & frequency transmitter beacons; and the list goes on and pervades almost every aspect of our society.

It is time to end this global fear based control and influence on the human beings of this planet, our planet, Earth.

It is time for us to be free once more."

[bogeyman]

Hybrids and clones have probably played a role in our recent and ancient history. It has been said some of the leaders of ancient Egypt were hybrids, or extraterrestrial in origin. The best way to get to know a species would be one a one to one basis or interact with the population on their level. Also it maybe a question of understanding. If something is alien, its line of thinking is total different from our species, hence a hybrid would be adaptable to our environment and also can communicate on both levels.

[wynderer]

unfortunately, Bogey, the ETs in control of this planet do not have much interest in communicating w/Humans, whom they consider primitive & undeveloped -- most of their communication w/individual Humans happens during abductions , including those of milabs


Hybrids and clones have probably played a role in our recent and ancient history. It has been said some of the leaders of ancient Egypt were hybrids, or extraterrestrial in origin. The best way to get to know a species would be one a one to one basis or interact with the population on their level. Also it maybe a question of understanding. If something is alien, its line of thinking is total different from our species, hence a hybrid would be adaptable to our environment and also can communicate on both levels.

[bogeyman]

unfortunately, Bogey, the ETs in control of this planet do not have much interest in communicating w/Humans, whom they consider primitive & undeveloped -- most of their communication w/individual Humans happens during abductions , including those of milabs


Hybrids and clones have probably played a role in our recent and ancient history. It has been said some of the leaders of ancient Egypt were hybrids, or extraterrestrial in origin. The best way to get to know a species would be one a one to one basis or interact with the population on their level. Also it maybe a question of understanding. If something is alien, its line of thinking is total different from our species, hence a hybrid would be adaptable to our environment and also can communicate on both levels.

It could be they are communicating on some higher level with us? In general man isn't very spirituality advanced, so maybe they seek out certain people?

[wynderer]

[pls know that all my posts re this subject are imo/from my experience posts -- i hope i am not coming off as thinking i have all the answers]

the ETs controlling this planet are not spiritually advanced, imo -- technologically advanced, yes, & the Reptilians mentally advanced [highly highly intelligent] -- & it's because of their interference on this planet that Humans are as unevolved as you are

your 'maybe they seek out certain people? ' --- this relates to hybrids -- the Reptilians seem to like to abduct [for interaction, not for food] those w/a lot of Reptilian DNA -- technically that makes us hybrids -- most of us do not know that we carry these genes/are hybrids

i have had 3 recruitment offers from the Reptilians -- had i accepted, likely i would have started meeting hybrids who very well know who they are -- these are the ones who tend to get power in this world -- $$, fame, political office, etc [not saying all those who have $$, fame etc are hybrids -- just some]



unfortunately, Bogey, the ETs in control of this planet do not have much interest in communicating w/Humans, whom they consider primitive & undeveloped -- most of their communication w/individual Humans happens during abductions , including those of milabs


Hybrids and clones have probably played a role in our recent and ancient history. It has been said some of the leaders of ancient Egypt were hybrids, or extraterrestrial in origin. The best way to get to know a species would be one a one to one basis or interact with the population on their level. Also it maybe a question of understanding. If something is alien, its line of thinking is total different from our species, hence a hybrid would be adaptable to our environment and also can communicate on both levels.

It could be they are communicating on some higher level with us? In general man isn't very spirituality advanced, so maybe they seek out certain people?

[wynderer]

Kristen , a bit more re the OZ mind control pattern/program

i was thinking of asking Paul or someone to put our posts in another thread re MKULTRA programming -- tho i think they like to use those of us w/Rep DNA, so this kind of ties into hybrids -- also a kind of spinoff of MKUltra are the attempts to make 'enhanced' Humans, like Duncan & Miranda

i'd love to see the mil/intel files on us -- bet we could learn a lot

wyn

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/oz.htm

WIZARD OF OZ and the ILLUMINATI MIND CONTROL

CHAPTER 5 SCIENCE NO. 5 - THE SKILL OF LYING, THE ART OF DECEIT

The rule of thumb that the programmers/handlers go by is that they will say anything to get the job done. A CIA handler will tell his agent in the field whatever will work to get the field agent’s cooperation on a mission. There is no height nor breadth nor length to these people’s deception. They have successfully kept some deceptions active for decades, if not for centuries.

THE USE OF FICTION

The history behind the Wizard of Oz programming is interesting. It suggests that the Wizard of Oz has had an important part in the occult world all along. One of the secrets of the Mystery Religions, especially the Egyptian Isis mystery religion was the ability to use drugs and torture to create multiple personalities. The word Oz is known to have been used by its author as an abbreviation for Osirus. Monarch victims have the “golden penis of Osirus” placed into them. The Grimm brothers, who were cabalistic jews, gathered the folk occult stories together. Their stories are full of spells, trances, and drugs. Sleeping Beauty is put to sleep, and the trigger to wake her is a kiss on the lips. These are serious hints that the occult world didn’t stop programming people with dissociative states and triggers when the ancient Egyptian empires fell. Instead of using modern lingo such as “hypnotize”, they would say “cast a spell.” Later in Freemasonry, the Right Worshipful Master would “charge” (meaning hypnotize) an initiate. The occultist Baum, a member of the Theosophical Society, was inspired by some spirit who gave him the “magic key” to write the Wizard of Oz book, which came out in 1900. The book’s story is full of satanic activity and satanic thinking. The story was chosen in the late 1940s to be the basis for the Illuminati/Intelligence community’s trauma-based total mind control programming. As a way of enhancing the effect of the programming, Monarch slaves are conditioned to place trigger items into their lives. When the movie was made, Judy Garland, who had lived a life touched by the occult world’s abuse, was chosen to act as Dorothy. Judy’s later husband, Mickey De Vinko was a satanist and the chief assistant to Roy Radin, a rich satanist who worked with the Illuminati, and who controlled the “Process church” covens which had as members mass murderers Berkowitz and Monarch slave Charlie Manson. There are several members of the Carr family, who are also tied into both De Vinko and Radin’s Process Church and the Illuminati. With the numerous long term connections between the Wizard of Oz books, and movie to the highest levels of the occult world, it is not without reason that one can theorize that the original series of 14 Oz books had an ulterior motive behind them. The 14 books of the Oz series are: 1) The Wizard of Oz, 2) The Land of Oz, 3) Ozma of Oz, 4) Dorothy and the Wizard in Oz, 5) The Road to Oz, 6) The Emerald City of Oz, 7) The Patchwork Girl of Oz, 8) Tik-tok of Oz, 9) The Scarecrow of Oz, 10) Rinkitink in Oz, 11) The Lost Princess of Oz, 12) The Tinman Woodsman of Oz, 13) The Magic of Oz, 14) Glinda of Oz. These books are still being sold, and are being read to children who are being programmed with trauma-based total mind control. The 14 books came out in various editions. The originals came out in 1900 and shortly thereafter. In the 1930s, the 1940’s, and the 1950’s the words were retype set and given different pages. (When working with a survivor it might help to identify what decade the edition the slave was programmed with, because the pictures and the page numbers varied from edition to edition.) Of course, having good pictures is an asset in programming, because the child will visualize off of the pictures when building its internal world. In addition to this, large Wizard of Oz theme parks are being built by the Illuminati to provide places to carry out programming and to reinforce the programming which traps the minds of Monarch slaves. The best example of this, is the audacious MGM Grand complex in Las Vegas, although other theme parks around America also use a Wizard of Oz theme. If you have read Fritz Springmeier’s Be Wise As Serpents you will know how the Theosophical Society ties in with Freemasonry, Satanism, and Lucis Trust. Several famous members of the Theosophical Society include:

[Kristin]

Great response Kristen.
Dolores does make mention (book three - TCU) that there are negative forces involved. She specifically asks the SC (unified field Sub Conscious) about them and she was told that they have permission to access... as in non-interference. She clearly recognizes that there are bad guys involved...And she is told that for the most part (ad-lib from memory) that the bad guys are from the earth plane exclusively....

BUT... she refuses to allow fear into the equation.. She only mentions benevolent beings because she will not give one single iota of energy to the fear side!
I learned a long time ago that when I had a great idea, never to share it.. it disperses the energy, and nullifies the outcome. Thought is energy - a given.
Don't give legs to the wrong energy.. which is the main reason I don't post a lot of my own thoughts here - I know, weird.. but it's my own, and it's served me. I could write a book about my methods of "Zapping".. back to the 70's... but I only have so much in my tank, and I refuse to give you, and you, and you.. a piece of it.

As for the non interference - Whitley Strieber poses the question - Why only at night?! And DC was told that they don't want to interfere with Daily/Family/Work daytime dynamics.

Back to the Fear Equation..... and this is important. I was going to create an individual thread, but this is as good a place as any.


Changing gears here:
What if... again, What if.... as many folks claim... (DC claims it over and over, so you get a feeling of why she only divulges certain things).. That the thoughts we hold inside become the reality outside? We've all talked about this in post after post... Fear porn, et. al... What if, somehow, the Alternative community has been subjugated in the extreme to concentrate on all of these end-of-the-world scenarios, to the benefit of the dark? Maybe, just maybe, we've all been taken over! What if my brother, and my Mother - who have no fears on these topics, are the ones we need to be more like??

If the core belief's of the Sheeple (majority - "Everythings fine") were to manifest the outcome, who's side are we really on?!

I remain, as stated above.. "Jury Out".. for my sake, my families sake, and maybe, just maybe, humanities sake. ....Food for thought, indeed.

For me, this entire Thread, as a majority of all threads here are about this one concrete inescapable subject - FEAR. Every other chapter in the convoluted universe series focuses on the same question.. or as another PA member would ask - Fear - What is it, and how to transcend it? ;)

Unfortunately DC publicly states that they are positive; refusing to look honestly at the negative side is not being responsible in my opinion. I do have a lot of respect for the work she has done, a great deal in fact, yet there needs to be balance for anything to move forward.

As to the idea that evening abductions do not effect the lives of those being abducted... abductions happen during daylight hours too and all abductions interfere with a person's daily life, wether you remember it or not. Having memories buried under deep psychosis to hide a kidnapping isn't fun for anyone. No matter what the intent.

From the Heart,
Kristin

[wynderer]

hi Kristin -- from your post:

'Having memories buried under deep psychosis to hide a kidnapping isn't fun for anyone. No matter what the intent.

From the Heart,
Kristin '

since you wrote you worked w/Duncan & Miranda -- i wondered about the deep psychosis thing -- did they help you see that milabs & abductees end up in deeply psychotic states? if so, could you share the nature of the psychosis, or, perhaps, of your individual psychosis, & how Duncan & Miranda helped free you from it?

edit to add: if so, if you suscribe to the psychosis theory, this contradicts the findings of most abduction researchers, who have determined that abductees are generally pretty healthy psychologically

looking forward to your reply, or from anyone who is concerned about the abduction phenomenom /aka 'psychosis?'

[Houman]

On the "false memory syndrome" theory created to hide MKUltra "nefarious experiments"
http://www.scribd.com/doc/54324316/False-Memory-Syndrome-Foundation-MK-ULTRA

[wynderer]

Accounting for Stories of Alien Abduction Psychiatrist John Mack shares his convictons [sic] that these reports are 'authentic and disturbing mysteries'

By Deane W. Lord
Gazette Staff

[clip]
Estimates vary as to how many individuals have had abduction
experiences. According to a Roper Organization poll, one out of every
50 American adults-- some 3.7 million people indicate that they have
had an encounter with an unidentified flying object or an alien being.

"It is possible that hundreds of thousands, or even millions, of
people in this country alone have undergone abduction experiences,"
said Mack.

Because of the stigma attached to revealing such experiences, he
believes many people remain underground, too ashamed or alarmed to
admit the experience.

"The more prominent the person, the more likely he or she will be
reluctant to come forward as they have more to lose," he said. "Often,
once they seek help, abductees prefer to be diagnosed as crazy."

A well-known psychiatrist and psychoanalyst, Mack reports that of the
60 cases he has worked on he has found, -to his surprise, that after a
battery of psychological tests, "no psychiatric or psychosocial
explanation for these reports is evident. These people are not mentally
ill." He has spent countless therapeutic hours with these individuals
only to find that what struck him was the "ordinariness" of the
population, including a restaurant owner, several secretaries, a prison
guard, college students, a university administrator, and several
homemakers.

"The majority of abductees do not appear to be deluded,
confabulating, lying, self-dramatizing, or suffering from a clear
mental illness," he maintained. He has encountered only one person who
showed psychotic features.

[clip]
http://www.textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/2000/2726.ufo

and this:
Why the Abduction Phenomenon Cannot Be Explained Psychiatrically
John Mack, M.D.
...Even psychosocial or cultural explanations, if they were to include all of the major dimensions of the syndrome, would force us to stretch our notions of the collective unconscious to such a degree that the distinctions between psyche and world, internal and external reality, would be obliterated…
[clip]
http://www.ufoevidence.org/topics/JohnMack.htm

[Kristin]

hi Kristin -- from your post:

'Having memories buried under deep psychosis to hide a kidnapping isn't fun for anyone. No matter what the intent.

From the Heart,
Kristin '

since you wrote you worked w/Duncan & Miranda -- i wondered about the deep psychosis thing -- did they help you see that milabs & abductees end up in deeply psychotic states? if so, could you share the nature of the psychosis, or, perhaps, of your individual psychosis, & how Duncan & Miranda helped free you from it?

edit to add: if so, if you suscribe to the psychosis theory, this contradicts the findings of most abduction researchers, who have determined that abductees are generally pretty healthy psychologically

looking forward to your reply, or from anyone who is concerned about the abduction phenomenom /aka 'psychosis?'

Psychosis; From the point of view that I am stemming from: are the implanted ideas and visions (including emotional justifications) of an overlay that betrays the original experience. As Humans, or even partial humans, we are hard wired for dissociation. Any memory that we have has a curve that happens even in real time. You watch an accident, and twelve other witnesses will have a story that partially varies from the original event. This is due to the the complexity and creativity of our own subconscious. We like to "fill in" gaps in our memory in our natural state... thus in a very natural way we can tell a story from beginning to end. Now in abductions, the emotional constitution of the abductee is being compromised from the get go. ie: These gaps become a cul-de-sac where implanted emotions and thoughts can "free range" for the aliens to "add' their own take in any number of ways. This is inclusive of many betrayals. The good news is that the original observance of the event will remain intact for those who wish to find it. Being in the state of the OBSERVER is the point here.

In terms of Miranda and Duncan... I contacted them when I had my proverbial "stuff" together. What was most helpful (and continues being so) is that I have others of my own ilk, or family, that I can depend on to care about what happens to me as I care about them. The work that we are all doing (which we all pay for in very personal ways, and I'm talking about ALL of us) takes a lot of protection and it's about always trying to hone that protection in various ways. We are all learners here, no one knows everything. It is the desire to get a hold on all that is and all that is happening right now in our present moment that drives the force to learn, always. Not one of us is perfect, we are only experiencing what is laid out before us. In this game that is being played out there is a justifiable realization that amongst the many choices that are before us being autonomous and sovereign is the best bet.

There is a lot more to add here... In terms of Hybrids, and I would very much like to talk about that subject... and what I have to say I think would be hopeful even to the worst case scenario. I will simply state this: The more human that a race becomes the more rebellion will instate itself. The more a race combines with our own, the more they are also privy to being individuals and self-thinkers. Imagine a hive mind... all that entails... well that would not be under control of the hive eventually, it is doomed to failure. The "greys" have an agenda. However, their way of thinking is not taking into account that the Hybrids will have their own thoughts, emotions, and subjectivity that they will eventually add to the equation.

In my opinion, the hybrids may in fact be the very best allies that we could hope for. They have an intimate knowledge of the inner workings of the collective. They also have emotions and and in many ways are like kids that have never had guidance. Children without parenting are looking for rebellion. They also may very well realize that they are being used. Imagine the implications of an entire experiment gone awry? And only because the original host has no clue or template for individual thought. None. Fuel for thought?

From the Heart,
Kristin

[wynderer]

thanks for response, Kristin

here's the Wiki dictionary definition of 'psychosis':
Psychosis (from the Ancient Greek ψυχή "psyche", for mind/soul, and -ωσις "-osis", for abnormal condition or derangement) refers to an abnormal condition of the mind, and is a generic psychiatric term for a mental state often described as involving a "loss of contact with reality". People suffering from psychosis are described as psychotic. Psychosis is given to the more severe forms of psychiatric disorder, during which hallucinations and delusions and impaired insight may occur.[2]

& your definition:
'Psychosis; From the point of view that I am stemming from: are the implanted ideas and visions (including emotional justifications) of an overlay that betrays the original experience.'

i read what you wrote as a definition of screen memories -- &. according to John Mack, the accepted definition, as given thru Wiki, does not apply to abductees

some of us don't like being told we're 'crazy,' aka psychotic

[Kristin]

For the sake of having a conversation about abductions... there is no term that describes the "overlay". Perhaps we should use the term Alien Induced Psychosis or AIP. I agree that abductees are not psychotic. Have you read the book that Bill posted earlier By Dr. David M. Jacobs, The Threat? It's is an interesting read.

[wynderer]

sorry-- i can't accept any label of 'psychosis'/'psychotic'

you have suggested you are a milab -- would you like the label of being diagnosed w/ MIP --Military Induced Psychosis?

edit to add: i think abductees/milabs/clones/hybrids all come together as one topic -- if one looks deeply enough --many threads to this web

[Kristin]

Please create a term that you feel comfortable with and we can continue to use that if you like.

[wynderer]

Kristin, i've been hoping you'd follow up on your original post on this thread, below -- & how it ties into hybrids & clones -- a sincere, non-sarcastic, request



Warning to those that are easily triggered, this may not be an easy read.

There was a military program in the Finger Lakes region of upstate New York that sought out and abducted children in the early seventies. Entire families were involved. Military and "others" even went into schools and tested these children to find out if they had certain penchants for mind control, remote viewing, kinetic abilities and so on.

Submarines where used to navigate these very deep lakes at night and take these children in where they were then experimented on. Children were strapped to chairs, had strobe lights flared at them through goggles and were put into psychosis while drugs where pumped into their veins to promote splitting and multiple personalities. Some of these children where physically and sexually tortured to ascertain how much pain they could take; those that made it where shipped out into other programs and used as assets for alleged on and off world missions.

Many of the children that where targeted as having gifts and abilities where harvested from families with masonic ties and with connections to politics and Illuminati bloodlines. The number of UFO sightings at this time in that area was off the charts. (To the point where it was regular table conversation.) A great deal of these abductions occurred with the help of the Romulus Military base and with a deal that was struck with the local Romulus Elementary School who allowed access to classrooms by these controllers to test potential children. This was done through an elementary principal who was later fired on child molestation allegations.

The idea that this area of upstate New York was (and perhaps still is) a hotbed for this type of activity is not only tangible, but has witnesses to confirm. I will not open up this dialog as to the source of this information... however, I am personally willing to discuss this subject with the most honesty and integrity that I have from the information that I know.

From the Heart,
Kristin

PS, this is to support some of the evidence that was stated prior at the beginning of this thread and is a piece of the puzzle to be considered. I mean no derailment, only supportive information.

[Kristin]

What would you like to know?

[wynderer]

from your original post:

'... however, I am personally willing to discuss this subject with the most honesty and integrity that I have from the information that I know.

From the Heart,
Kristin

PS, this is to support some of the evidence that was stated prior at the beginning of this thread and is a piece of the puzzle to be considered. I mean no derailment, only supportive information. '

i'm interested in the 'willing to discuss this subject' & the 'supportive information' bits

not clear to me what you consider the 'subject' to be, & thus very interested in the 'supportive info'

also do not like playing games

[Kristin]

Well you had an interesting reaction to the post... one that is typical of Milab victims when they are getting close to the truth of their experience... do you want to proceed?

[Kristin]

By supportive I mean the area of New York that you are familiar with. It is important to know that both abductions and Milab experiments were happening in tandem. They are inter-linked.

I assume the subject is in the title, "The Hybrids & Clones Amongst Us."

I am not playing any games here.

[wynderer]

LOL -- tho once again i take exception -- i personally am not a 'victim' -- do you accept that label for yourself? -- that 'personal sovereignity' stuff, re which i always think DUH! - are y'all just figuring this out now?

& , are you a milab yourself? or simply provoking in order to gather info? [i know -- typical reaction...]


Well you had an interesting reaction to the post... one that is typical of Milab victims when they are getting close to the truth of their experience... do you want to proceed?

[Kristin]

LOL -- tho once again i take exception -- i personally am not a 'victim' -- do you accept that label for yourself? -- that 'personal sovereignity' stuff, re which i always think DUH! - are y'all just figuring this out now?

& , are you a milab yourself? or simply provoking in order to gather info? [i know -- typical reaction...]


Well you had an interesting reaction to the post... one that is typical of Milab victims when they are getting close to the truth of their experience... do you want to proceed?

OK, I see that you are caught on labels... Please find one that suits you and we can continue, if you like.

[wynderer]

Kristin -- one question: Are you a milab?

[Kristin]

Kristin -- one question: Are you a milab?
Yes, I am and I am many other things as well. It is a part of my history and a piece of my story. It is not a definition of me, only an accepted knowing that I have come to terms with.

[wynderer]

thank you -- & may i say, well done, Sis, re coming to terms w/it

in token of my trusting you as telling the truth -- here's a real-time memory that recently has been surfacing:

in i think early Feb of 1966 --maybe late Jan -- , i was returning to Philly from college in Oklahoma -- there was a huge blizzard on the east coast USA -- Philly airport snowed in, so our plane landed in NYC

i was 18? 19? young & really dumb -- i was escorted, from among many stranded passengers, alone, to a waiting helicopter -- military-looking, 'Nam-style -- i can't remember the face of my escort

i remember nothing of that trip -- tho my first plane ride was to Oklahoma in Sept '65, & i remember that vividly

there's more to the story -- end of consideration, i sometimes think i flunked out of the sex kitten program, & they gave me to the Reptilians to play with --tho i guess i did alright on the chopper ride, as perks were waiting for me when i came to consciousness in the Philly airport

just a 3D/4D show on one level

wyn



Kristin -- one question: Are you a milab?
Yes, I am and I am many other things as well. It is a part of my history and a piece of my story. It is not a definition of me, only an accepted knowing that I have come to terms with.

[Kristin]

Glad you can share that with us. In my case there were memories that were of an amazing alien nature that were used to "cover" my memories of the military involvement. It works both ways. Not only is the military using this tech, but it seems the greys and others are as well. It's one big happy abduction family, if you like. They work with each other and have shared this type of overlay tech.

Coming to terms is always an ongoing process... LOL, there are many conditioned responses that I've had to become familiar with to understand how deep the rabbit hole is for me. It's not easy and will at times still rear it's ugly head. But I've gotten to know many things about myself through the process and have healed a great deal. I am grateful to this forum for allowing the space for people to come together and discuss these things.

From the Heart,
Kristin

[Kristin]

Now I feel that it is VERY important to understand that the emotional manipulation of this is key... as there are others feeding off of this. Keeping a level head and an even "observer" type of mind frame is very important. We are food in many ways.

[wynderer]

this is where trusting enough to post on Avalon is helping me -- i've met a few folks who are into Dolores Cannon, & , by her terminolgy, they see me as being here for the first time, here in a Human body

this has been a very confusing life -- Kristin, i would greatly appreciate if you could spell out for a 3D Earth dummy some kind of idea re the emotional manipulations


Now I feel that it is VERY important to understand that the emotional manipulation of this is key... as there are others feeding off of this. Keeping a level head and an even "observer" type of mind frame is very important. We are food in many ways.

[Kristin]

I'll get back to you soon, right now I have a lovely meal that I'm preparing. I would greatly suggest Houman's Horus Ra thread. There is a great deal of information there that can aid you.

From the Heart,
Kristin

[wynderer]

trying a new way of responding


Glad you can share that with us. In my case there were memories that were of an amazing alien nature that were used to "cover" my memories of the military involvement. It works both ways. Not only is the military using this tech, but it seems the greys and others are as well. It's one big happy abduction family, if you like. They work with each other and have shared this type of overlay tech.

[interesting: i have recently been feeling that the 'ET' memories were covering/putting in the shadow the milab memories-- but, as you say [ROTFLMAO], 'one big happy abduction family']

Coming to terms is always an ongoing process... LOL, there are many conditioned responses that I've had to become familiar with to understand how deep the rabbit hole is for me. It's not easy and will at times still rear it's ugly head. But I've gotten to know many things about myself through the process and have healed a great deal. I am grateful to this forum for allowing the space for people to come together and discuss these things.

[i am very willing to learn about the conditioned/programmed responses -- & i always appreciate honest feedback (& i wish i did not have to pay this much attention to myself in order to survive ) -- as i see it, we need our friends to reflect back the best & truest picture of ourselves]

From the Heart,
Kristin

[wynderer]

Kristin -- i am NOT asking you to show me the way/suggest threads/modalities of healing

i know what i am doing & where i am going -- for me, it's more a question of: what do i share w/whom?

i tend to bridle first, & then run from, those who suggest they have the way out -- i am not asking/expecting you to 'aid me'

i have read & grok the gist of Houman's thread -- in fact, i have lived quite a bit of it


I'll get back to you soon, right now I have a lovely meal that I'm preparing. I would greatly suggest Houman's Horus Ra thread. There is a great deal of information there that can aid you.

From the Heart,
Kristin

[wynderer]

quite a few posts going back & forth between Kristin et moi -- checking it out: i shared something real, a real-time experience

Kristin quite evasive -- no facts, no stories...

edit to add : i like to say, Let there be transparency on Earth, & let it begin w/me -- just trying to find somewhere i can be transparent

[wynderer]

this seems to be a weak point w/Humans -- the emotional manipulation -- thinking of Justoneman & Daughter of Time, their stories, which get a lot of sympathy

if y'all wanted to listen , i could tell y'all about resisting/wiping out the emotional manipulation -- but then we step it up a notch into the 'mental' field


Now I feel that it is VERY important to understand that the emotional manipulation of this is key... as there are others feeding off of this. Keeping a level head and an even "observer" type of mind frame is very important. We are food in many ways.

[wynderer]

asking you for facts & true stories, Kristin -- that's how i learn

[Kristin]

Everything that I have posted on this thread is from personal experience... take it as you will. I can not control how you feel about my responses or if you find them to be less then you would have them. I would not presume to tell you how to think nor how to feel. Nor am I willing to be badgered into a conversation with you. I leave you to your thoughts, will all due respect.
From the Heart,
Wormhole

I am open to trying again at a latter date.

[wynderer]

games going on, imo -- this thread open to anyone who has anything real to post --Kristin, looking hard for your 'personal experience' posts -- quite a few exchanges between us w/many opportunities for you to share 'personal experiences' -- no go so far -- will welcome them when i see them --

but don't need them -- nor your conversation--pls release badgered feeling

PS -- just did a quick scan back thru your posts, Kristin -- definitely no personal experience posts from you -- a few skirting the edges a bit, & hinting at some



Everything that I have posted on this thread is from personal experience... take it as you will. I can not control how you feel about my responses or if you find them to be less then you would have them. I would not presume to tell you how to think nor how to feel. Nor am I willing to be badgered into a conversation with you. I leave you to your thoughts, will all due respect.
From the Heart,
Wormhole

I am open to trying again at a latter date.

[nomadguy]

Here is a random question, perhaps some one has an answer.

If someone had an abduction experience and their memory is blocked.
AND happen not to have access to Dolores Cannon or someone like that...

Is there a more hands-on or practical way to recall these memories?

Thanks

[wynderer]

hi Nomadguy -- this whole abduction/milab/clones/hybrid area is one where everyone is looking for answers/greater understanding , i think -- & the answers are hard to find, because the controllers like to operate in secrecy

the problem w/memory retrieval [as i see it] is that the memory suppression techniques are quite sophisticated -- as Observer says, they are very clever at what they do -- apparently they install implants, backed up w/suggestions/commands, given to our minds when they are in a highly suggestible state, to not remember -- there is some evidence that suicide programming is installed in some if they should begin to remember

then there are the screen memories -- a brutal abduction scene [like the common one of being immobilized on a table w/Greys doing painful, scary things to your body ]-- these experiences/memories are sometimes overlaid w/an implanted memory of the table scene being a nice friendly 'contact'

to show how easy it is for them to manipulate images in the human mind -- there are accounts of men abductees having sex w/what appears to be some hot chick, who suddenly turns into their mother or their grandmother -- i guess the men's reactions to this are a source of energy/info for the controllers

all of which makes retrieving actual memories rather difficult -- some folks apparently are finding the methods of Steve Richards & Dr Malaanga [sp] helpful [both talked about on Houman's archon thread] -- i personally looked for a hypnotherapist who is aware of the screen memories


Here is a random question, perhaps some one has an answer.

If someone had an abduction experience and their memory is blocked.
AND happen not to have access to Dolores Cannon or someone like that...

Is there a more hands-on or practical way to recall these memories?

Thanks

[wynderer]

one of the mods here at Avalon just pm'd me re this subject [quoting from pm]:
It appears from your posts that there are various personalities that are peaking [sic] through you as read from the written wording of your posts.'

several contradictory statements of mine to Kristin in this thread were also quoted

this is so embarrassing, & i am so busted -- i confess that i was drinking whiskey last night -- the last time i drank whiskey was when i was in Alaska in the '80s, when i got my nose broken by a Klingit [Tlingit] friend in a whiskey fight -- the one & only alcohol-induced fight i've ever had -- in fact, the only physical fight i've ever been in -- & my friend was protecting himself, & his head-butt to my nose stopped me cold -- i needed to be stopped -- had been pouring beer on my friends' heads

i've stayed clear away from whiskey since then -- not a good choice of beverage w/Celtic & some Native American blood -- till last night --no broken nose this time, just some jumping around in my thinking -- alcohol not noted for inducing clarity in thinking processes -- & is known for making one more aggressive

i did ask for Kristen's help in an earlier post -- changed my mind after reading her following ones

thanks for your concern, mod -- but no signs of my personality breaking down/alters rearing their ugly or sad heads -- hope you'll be keeping a close eye on me, tho [smile]

[wynderer]

bumping my own post because of this bit from it , partially to explain my comment on the astral sex /having sex on the other side thread

'to show how easy it is for them to manipulate images in the human mind -- there are accounts of men abductees having sex w/what appears to be some hot chick, who suddenly turns into their mother or their grandmother -- i guess the men's reactions to this are a source of energy/info for the controllers'



hi Nomadguy -- this whole abduction/milab/clones/hybrid area is one where everyone is looking for answers/greater understanding , i think -- & the answers are hard to find, because the controllers like to operate in secrecy

the problem w/memory retrieval [as i see it] is that the memory suppression techniques are quite sophisticated -- as Observer says, they are very clever at what they do -- apparently they install implants, backed up w/suggestions/commands, given to our minds when they are in a highly suggestible state, to not remember -- there is some evidence that suicide programming is installed in some if they should begin to remember

then there are the screen memories -- a brutal abduction scene [like the common one of being immobilized on a table w/Greys doing painful, scary things to your body ]-- these experiences/memories are sometimes overlaid w/an implanted memory of the table scene being a nice friendly 'contact'

to show how easy it is for them to manipulate images in the human mind -- there are accounts of men abductees having sex w/what appears to be some hot chick, who suddenly turns into their mother or their grandmother -- i guess the men's reactions to this are a source of energy/info for the controllers

all of which makes retrieving actual memories rather difficult -- some folks apparently are finding the methods of Steve Richards & Dr Malaanga [sp] helpful [both talked about on Houman's archon thread] -- i personally looked for a hypnotherapist who is aware of the screen memories


Here is a random question, perhaps some one has an answer.

If someone had an abduction experience and their memory is blocked.
AND happen not to have access to Dolores Cannon or someone like that...

Is there a more hands-on or practical way to recall these memories?

Thanks

[Rantaak]

yet another rather rude & immature response, by a member who hangs out w/'Dragons'




Conclusion the characteristics you describe come across as follows, you are an extremely hot old chick who can think herself into a pretzelshape while playing a cool drumsolo and in the meanwhile knit flashy thongs out off stringtheory and use the force to make long distancecalls to the smoothiebar to get you some delivered.


Bahahahahahahahahaha!

I'm sorry that you find laughter offensive. That is your choice. My choice is to appreciate good humor!

[wynderer]

edit to add: following Kristin's guidelines, i shortened this, & am hi-liting this paragraph -- pls note that the non-human forces are NOT spiritually superior to Humans

'In a nutshell, what is the alien agenda?
Mankind is being enslaved by non-human forces who are technologically, psychically, and dimensionally superior to us. They consist of multiple factions, spanning multiple dimensions and locations in space-time, all here to take a slice of the human pie. Their ultimate goal is to assimilate us into their fascist empire and parasitically exploit us for our biological, etheric, and physical resources.'
from Tom of Montalk

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http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/esp_vida_alien_18zt.htm

Synopsis of The Alien Master Plan: The Hybrid Breeding Program and Impending Enslavement of Mankind

by Montalk

22 June 2004

from Montalk Website

[clip]

If you want a thorough grasp of what’s going on, I recommend analyzing with discernment the following books:

Gods of Eden – William Bramley

The Threat – Dr David Jacobs

Taken – Dr Karla Turner

The Love Bite – Eve Lorgen

Into The Fringe – Dr Karla Turner

God’s Gladiators – Stuart Wilde

Tales From The Timeloop – David Icke

UFOs and The National Security State – Richard Dolan

The Allies of Humanity – Marshall Summers

Bringers of The Dawn – Barbara Marciniak

The Ra Material, Books I,II,III – Don Elkins, Carla Rueckert

Cassiopaean Transcripts – Cassiopaeans, LKJ

[clip]

Evidence is everywhere from:

worldwide religious and mythological accounts commonly describing ancient encounters with advanced beings

anomalous archaeological sites and artifacts indicating past use of superior technology

over a century’s worth of eyewitness sightings of UFOs

hundreds of physical trace samples recovered from UFO landing sites

government documents and whistleblowers acknowledging the existence of extraterrestrials

thousands of abduction cases that include multiple witnesses, memories recalled without hypnosis

undisputable physical and medical evidence confirming these accounts


In a nutshell, what is the alien agenda?

Mankind is being enslaved by non-human forces who are technologically, psychically, and dimensionally superior to us. They consist of multiple factions, spanning multiple dimensions and locations in space-time, all here to take a slice of the human pie. Their ultimate goal is to assimilate us into their fascist empire and parasitically exploit us for our biological, etheric, and physical resources.

Through covert manipulation and hyperdimensional tricks that utilize time travel, they have secretly manipulated and exploited humanity in every way conceivable for tens of thousands of years. We are now seeing their plans overtly manifest with the abduction and hybrid breeding program, and their imminent portrayal as saviors to a human race gone mad with world conflict.

If the world accepts them as saviors, individual freedom as we know it will become snuffed like a blown candle, leaving only darkness.

[clip]

What about military abductions?

The secret government’s military factions regularly abduct people for a wide variety of uses, often working under alien factions and using their technology. These uses are too numerous and complex to mention in detail, but include mind control programs, genetics research projects, and the use of psychically sensitive people for remote viewing and assassination purposes.

Due to their hyperdimensional technology, these military factions can covertly abduct people during sleep by beaming them out of their local space-time through portals and into military bases.

Military abductees are frequently tortured via electroshock to create split personalities and install self-destruct, sleeper assassin, or sexual slave mind programming. For example, some mind control projects have created thousands of sleeper agents who can be post-hypnotically triggered at a future date to commit mass violence, which would serve as a pretext for the totalitarian clampdown on our freedoms.

Military abductees are also frequently raped by reptilian aliens who feed upon their fear and suffering. Others lead double lives where one personality participates in covert military missions that would seem like science fiction to the other personality.

Hyperdimensional technology makes this time sharing possible.

[Kristin]

Hello Wyn,
Mod hat on: It is noted that you tend to post a great deal of quoted text in your responses on the threads. In forum Guidelines (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/announcement.php?f=90) please refer to this:


6. POSTING EXTERNAL MATERIAL

When sharing outside material with the forum, please do it in the form of links with summary paragraphs. Posting long passages (i.e. more than a few short paragraphs) of outside text, regardless of relevance, is prohibited.
The summary of the content of the link should be a paragraph of your own words and / or with a single-paragraph excerpt from the text itself.
“Naked” links, i.e. links without summary text, should be avoided, as most members do not have the time to blindly research such links.

Thank you, and this is a great link with an interesting summery to be sure. Please refer to the guidelines in the future.
From the Heart,
Kristin

[wynderer]

my search for facts/truth led me to this -- i've read about the Roper poll re abductions before, but here's a bit more that i haven't come across before

sorry to those who already think i'm an arrogant you-know-what -- apparently the abductors are picky re who they abduct:


'A report interpreting a Roper study on the subject of alien abductions reached the conclusion that 6.6 million Americans had been subject to alien abduction, with a surprisingly high percentage of abductees belonging to upper educational and income trendsetters.

This report states, “Roper’s representative American sample of about 6000 adults (with a sampling error of 1.4 percent!) showed that one out of every 50 people met the profile of an abductee…. A closer look at these specific profiles showed that these people were not “average” at all.”

The Roper data suggests that 1 in 50, or 2% of the American population, or 6.6 million Americans have been abducted. In itself the figure of 6.6 million abducted Americans suggests a high threat scenario to our human society.

The Roper study continues, “The Roper Organization’s previous statistics showed that about one percent of all American adults could be placed into a category they termed “influentials.” Influentials were adults, ages 35 to 45, who had higher than average incomes and held positions of political or social authority. They were “trend setters,” defining morality and public policy. They were leaders rather than followers. Roper surveys regularly focused on this group for a variety of clients who valued their opinions. The new survey results showed that a surprisingly large number of these “trend setters” seemed to have been abducted.”

http://ptbuggy.wordpress.com/2010/01/07/abductions-who-is-and-why/

[wynderer]

below is a pm a member sent, along w/permission to post details of themselves -- i am choosing not to, as i personally have had too many personal attacks, including some passive-aggressive ones from the female mods here [the modess squad, as i call them] --

'Tell me please, how does a hybrid ends up fighting his designers? From a reptilian point a view , what went wrong in those cases? Why the programing and DNA are not enough to manipulate and control that individual? How often does this happen?

Is the soul of the hybrid a reptilian choice? Or is this the one thing they can't control, what soul incarnates in the hybrid?

Why do they treat me like i'm one of them ; like I somehow lost my mind living between this "monkeys" ? They are angry at me but they also hope I will turn back to what they say is my real nature.

Was I a reptilian for eons, and now that I got to experince true unconditional love of the Universe, just want to deny my own kind?
Or, is just the DNA and the programing , but at a soul level i have nothing to do with them?

What do you think?

PS and yeah what's with the popping sounds, I (we) hear around us just when we are about to go to sleep or shortly after we woke up? '

would like to make cleat that in no way do i think of myself as one w/the answers -- one of the reasons i started this thread was in the hope of finding some answers myself -- i prefer to get answers from those who have walked the walk before they talk

i have recently understood that those of us in 3D Human bodies who have off-world DNA or truly do come from higher dimensions -- most of us have been totally clueless re this fact/truth all our lives -- everyone who incarnates into a 3D Earth Human body at this time -- we all pretty well know that it's total dumbdown city to choose this

just my thoughts: i think that the Reptilian DNA is [really] the only 'ET' [extra terrrestial] DNA that has much import at this time in Human history [ other than a few extant Original People tribes]

it is channeled stuff that tells you 'we are all starseeds' etc -- imo, most Earth Humans are not 'starseeds', other than the way all /matter' in this particualr 3D side universe is all connected/composed of 'star' matter

also imo, it is avery unique & awesome thing to be an Earth Human Soul at this time

there sure are a lot of beings , ET & OD, who think so -- most are feeding off you

those of us here who have learned/are learning that we carry a lot of the Reptilian DNA [other than those who belong to 'Dragon' societies, about which they are very cryptic -- i personally think those in 'Dragon' societies are just wannabe Dracos] -- it's not easy to begin to grok that we are hybrids -- i think the 'new energies' coming in [Arizona Wilder's term] are awakening this awareness in us

re the souls, being 'Reptilian' or 'Human ' -- i hope others will comment on this as i seem to be a 5D walk-in into a Draco/Human body , & my soul is just who i am

i actually don't think there is that much difference between a 'Reptilian soul' & a 'Human soul' -- both species originate in this particular 3D/4D universe [ imo at this time -- i am always open to learning]

re the Reptilians being angry [in above quote post] -- i think that the Reptilians feel it is an honor to be invited to join them/link energies w/them -- & they totally do not understand why some of us choose to align ourselves w/the Humans

re being Reptilian for aeons: my Grey clone walk-in friend tried to tell me that i am a Draco [soul/body/essence] -- i told her that i had been /were a Draco for thousands upon thousrands of years [they live long lives] , i think i'd remember being 8 to 10 ft tall w/scaly skin & sharp teeth & claws -- but i don't -- not that this would be a bad thing -- it's just not who i am

i think the Reptilians are being blamed for what the darkside is doing to this planet -- some Reptilians have aligned themselves w/attuned to the evil ruling this planet, as have some Humans

much more karma at the doorsteps of the Humans, as they have more free will left

[Cristian]

Thanks wyn ,

for this thread, for the pm's we exchanged and for never giving up.

[Inversion]

This thread is old and was started in 2012, but it seems the best place for the new video from The Why Files (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?121830-The-Why-Files&highlight=files). The cover story people get from aliens about hybrid programs is generally they're trying to save their dying race because they have junk DNA. I guess that's easier that exposing sinister motives or their true agenda. The same ploy seems to exist with the Anunnaki story where they needed gold to fix their atmosphere. According to the Wingmakers interviews they created twelve cities out of transparent gold. The hybrid living with a blind woman had cat eyes and ate a green substance that somehow appeared in the apartment.

David Jacobs wrote a book with a similar title as the video called Walking Among Us (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?105369-THIS-PLANET-WILL-BE-THEIRS-David-Jacobs-conclusion-about-the-ET-agenda&p=1351281&viewfull=1#post1351281).

pdf (https://www.wingmakers.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/The-Complete-Neruda-Interviews-1-5.pdf) page#181

Dr. Neruda: “The Anunnaki required it. The exact reason is unknown, but it had something
to do with the way that gold modulated the frequency of their body. Gold was an essence to
their race. It held a property that was vital to their survival. The record is a little vague as to
exactly why it was so important. But these records mention that their entire planet had
twelve major cities and all of them were made of a semi-transparent gold. Even the book of
Revelations refers to this.”

biblehub (https://biblehub.com/search.php?q=transparent)

King James Bible

Rev. 21:18 And the building of the wall of it was of jasper: and the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass.

King James Bible

Rev. 21:21 And the twelve gates were twelve pearls; every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.


12/02/25 (41:27)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A89ozmI2zOo

The Human-Alien Hybrid Program | Project Humanization

A college student desperate for affordable housing gets matched with an unusual roommate who wears sunglasses indoors and speaks like a careful robot.

When the student's mother visits and accidentally touches the girl's arm, the skin feels wrong—cold and spongy like raw mushrooms.

What happens next reveals a classified military program, a family connection that defies physics, and a tragedy born from teaching someone to be too human.