Misusing the term "Fallen Angels"

[seigiarchon]

I notice a few people in here who equate fallen angels to the demons and devils who are enemies of the Celestial Heaven.

May I give a word of warning in here..

There are many angels who "fell" to earth and reincarnate as humans to raise the consciousness of humanity.

There are also many demons born in the underworld who have never been angels in the first place.

I caution all in here to use the term "fallen angel" judiciously for I can't imagine the karma which one would get for insulting the soldiers and servants of the Universal Creator.

[white wizard]

I notice a few people in here who equate fallen angels to the demons and devils who are enemies of the Celestial Heaven.

May I give a word of warning in here..

There are many angels who "fell" to earth and reincarnate as humans to raise the consciousness of humanity.

There are also many demons born in the underworld who have never been angels in the first place.

I caution all in here to use the term "fallen angel" judiciously for I can't imagine the karma which one would get for insulting the soldiers and servants of the Universal Creator.

From what I have gathered in my research the term fallen angels refers

to those beings who chose to split from the source and experience the

universe in a different way. From a higher level perspective they still serve

the source, because all experience leads to learning and understanding

regardless whether it is good or bad. There are probably an infinite

number of different beings who you could refer to as fallen from many

different levels of awareness. The thing most people do not realize is

they are hear to teach us and we are here to teach them, that is it.

The main thing I have been taught is to see both good and bad for what

they are and that is tools for learning and in the end in one form or another

we all eventually return to source some quicker then others.

[markpierre]

Why? Did you have the idea that karma is punishment? That's the kind of thinking we need help to correct.

[wynderer]

hmmm...someone who chooses to use 'archon' as part of his screen name is saying the fallen angels have been given an undeserved bad rep -- hmmm...

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Why? Did you have the idea that karma is punishment? That's the kind of thinking we need help to correct.

Exactly, changing that thought will brighten up a lot of peoples days if they are still seeing karma as a form of postponed payback time in the bad sence of the word.

As with everything on this planet or in this universe for that matter, every action provokes a response and your actions will determine whats coming and in what way or form, no mystery here, its just consequences.( read concequences in a neutral form please).

[seigiarchon]

hmmm...someone who chooses to use 'archon' as part of his screen name is saying the fallen angels have been given an undeserved bad rep -- hmmm...

do you profess to know the single motivation of every one of the millions and millions of "fallen" angels out there in the universe?

do you profess to know the single motivation of every one of the millions and millions of archons out there in the universe?

what are the definition of angels btw? how are their biological, psychic, mental, etheric, astral, spiritual and soul structures like?

what are the definition of archons? how are their biological, psychic, mental, etheric, astral, spiritual and soul structures like?

if a being is to appear in front of you right now, how do you know he is an angel, archon or demon or even a curious mixture of all three?

Too many arrogant humans in here who think they know everything there is to know in the universe when their ignorance is as vast as the universe itself.

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Why? Did you have the idea that karma is punishment? That's the kind of thinking we need help to correct.

Exactly, changing that thought will brighten up a lot of peoples days if they are still seeing karma as a form of postponed payback time in the bad sence of the word.

As with everything on this planet or in this universe for that matter, every action provokes a response and your actions will determine whats coming and in what way or form, no mystery here, its just consequences.( read concequences in a neutral form please).

every one will face the consequences of their sins on the soon arriving judgment day..

I am ready to face the consequences of my actions.. Are you?

[wynderer]

it's just that 'fallen' thing -- i seem to get stuck on that -- i'd rather chat w/the unfallen ones

what i know of Angels is that they are extremely powerful -- a 'fallen ' one can do a lot of damage

[seigiarchon]

it's just that 'fallen' thing -- i seem to get stuck on that -- i'd rather chat w/the unfallen ones

what i know of Angels is that they are extremely powerful -- a 'fallen ' one can do a lot of damage

a "fallen" angel can do a lot of damage to who?

the demons and devils running this planet and their immortal "elite"?

why do you think angels fall? because every one of them go against the Creator?

or did some angels "Fall" because they want humanity to transcend beyond the limitations of mortality?

stop trying to paint a negative picture of ALL "fallen" angels..

the politics in spirituality in the higher dimensions is way more complicated than any politics on earth

[Space_Ace]

It's sad people can't get along even on this forum, but then this is the whole point of duality. From what I read, there's no "creator" devil nor hell. Everything in the infinite universe(s) were created by the infinite creator. We were all given free will to do as we wish, be it service to others or to self. God's law of karma was designed as a balance and lesson. Service to self souls will have to balance all evil with good and learn from their mistakes.

[Seikou-Kishi]

The thing is, people aren't misusing any words. Anybody who uses it in a way you wouldn't like probably just has a different definition for it than you do. We can all agree when it comes to words like motorcycle or pineapple, but fallen angel is deeply within subjectivityville.

[markpierre]

Why? Did you have the idea that karma is punishment? That's the kind of thinking we need help to correct.

Exactly, changing that thought will brighten up a lot of peoples days if they are still seeing karma as a form of postponed payback time in the bad sence of the word.

As with everything on this planet or in this universe for that matter, every action provokes a response and your actions will determine whats coming and in what way or form, no mystery here, its just consequences.( read concequences in a neutral form please).

Hey it isn't just that. That idea is justified by giving 'celestial beings' all of the worst traits of the human ego. Jealousy and retribution? How could you not question your own reasoning?

[Eagle Eye]

Angels can be everywhere, they don't change name if they still serve the Creator (devine purpose) even if they travel to planet , galaxy or dimension (they are angels). So fallen angels are those who were angels before but they changed their path, they are not Angels anymore.

[GoodETxSG]

If you were on Camel back 4,000+ years ago crossing Judea (Or the many names that area has had over time) and traveling to Babylon and other ancient cities at the height of their technologies and a limited base of reference of Science and Cosmic ideas (That we take for granted)... How would you describe a being that comes from the sky on a "Chariot"? What a fearsome sight that would be even now.

Would the being be called an Angel or a god? Would its exiled enemies then be called Fallen Angels based on this beings description of a civil war or heavenly battle? It’s hard to say. We shouldn’t try to interpret ancient religious descriptions with our current vernacular, esoteric beliefs of ET/ED beings and our own limited scientific knowledge.

We have no real way of knowing what they really saw or how the stories evolved around the camp fires though the ages before it was scribed. They would have absolutely no way of describing Alien technology as anything other than a magical or spiritual power.

I would think a bit arrogant for us to think we truly understand what the ancients were describing. We do have to use what we know of their culture and our understanding of the religious and ancient texts to piece it together. Maybe it ties in with what we think we know about the Watchers/Visitors/Aliens or maybe not. Exopolitics has become a modern belief system bordering on a religion its self.

Too bad much of our true history has been hidden from us and we think that civilization began with the Sumerians. I hope there is a hall of records that all of us have access to some day. If the Cabal has found it you know it’s buried in the Vatican or other Archives. They went through great pains to burn the contents of the Library of Alexandria and other depositories of ancient history and knowledge.

[pugwash84]

Fallen angels can be the "watcher" type who came down to spread humanity and also the shunned type who fell during the battle in heaven. Demons are normally spirits and not angels as angels are normally a physical entity.
However I would say that worrying about demons and fallen angels and so on does a person no good. If you look towards the dark for too long your soul will start to turn sad and dark too. If you look towards the light and think of good things and spend your time looking towards the light, your soul will also be light. This will make your body, mind and soul a whole lot more healthy. :) xxx

[Fredenit]

it's just that 'fallen' thing -- i seem to get stuck on that -- i'd rather chat w/the unfallen ones

what i know of Angels is that they are extremely powerful -- a 'fallen ' one can do a lot of damage

a "fallen" angel can do a lot of damage to who?

the demons and devils running this planet and their immortal "elite"?

why do you think angels fall? because every one of them go against the Creator?

or did some angels "Fall" because they want humanity to transcend beyond the limitations of mortality?

stop trying to paint a negative picture of ALL "fallen" angels..

the politics in spirituality in the higher dimensions is way more complicated than any politics on earth
Hi seigiarchon, just how would you know the politics was on the moon never mind in a higher dimension, where is the proof of what you are saying, Have a nice day.

[GoodETxSG]

:amen::amen::amen::amen:
Fallen angels can be the "watcher" type who came down to spread humanity and also the shunned type who fell during the battle in heaven. Demons are normally spirits and not angels as angels are normally a physical entity.
However I would say that worrying about demons and fallen angels and so on does a person no good. If you look towards the dark for too long your soul will start to turn sad and dark too. If you look towards the light and think of good things and spend your time looking towards the light, your soul will also be light. This will make your body, mind and soul a whole lot more healthy. :) xxx

I Hear ya...

[kreagle]

I notice a few people in here who equate fallen angels to the demons and devils who are enemies of the Celestial Heaven.

May I give a word of warning in here..

There are many angels who "fell" to earth and reincarnate as humans to raise the consciousness of humanity.

There are also many demons born in the underworld who have never been angels in the first place.

I caution all in here to use the term "fallen angel" judiciously for I can't imagine the karma which one would get for insulting the soldiers and servants of the Universal Creator.

Because these "angels fell" from their "former state" they are no longer "servants of the Universal Creator", but, in fact, are now the "angels of Satan".

Jude 1:6
King James Version (KJV)

6And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.


Matthew 25:41
King James Version (KJV)

41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

(Partial quote)to raise the consciousness of humanity

This is "exactly opposite" of what their intentions are for mankind, in that they are deceivers of mankind, like their master, Satan is. They certainly want you to believe that they are here for our benefit and to help make us more "conscious of humanity",....and that's where the "deception" truly begins.

Revelation 12:9
King James Version (KJV)

9And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Your "warning" is "alarming", to say the least. Perhaps you need to get in the "answer Book", (Bible), a great deal more!


Love and Peace,.....kreagle

[markpierre]

every one will face the consequences of their sins on the soon arriving judgment day..

I am ready to face the consequences of my actions.. Are you?

No fear, doubt, or hesitation at all, unless it was you doing the judging. Then we'd all be all screwed.

Is this a segment of the Twisted Gospel' show?

[bluestflame]

old scriptures were written in a time when we had a great deal less words to convey accurately a concept

sometimes an exercise in imagination can more accurately convey said concepts


ie sometimes the words get in the way

[kreagle]

old scriptures were written in a time when we had a great deal less words to convey accurately a concept

sometimes an exercise in imagination can more accurately convey said concepts


ie sometimes the words get in the way

bluestflame,

I'm fully aware that the King James version of the Bible, oldest English rendition, is considered "old" to some.

The "original" Old Testament texts were written in Hebrew and the "original" New Testament texts were written in Greek,......and they, themselves, are even "older than that of the King James version!"

Going back, even "further" than that,.....the 10 Commandments, written with the "finger of God",......were even much, much older and they were written on "tables of stone"

In "each" of these examples,.....age of text is not,.....nor has it ever been,.....the problem with the veracity, or validity, of It's content!

Neither was there a problem with illiteracy during these "golden eras of time".

What some may see as "words,.....in the way", or obstacles to one's point of view,......"others recognize them to be Truth,....reverence them as such,.....and then allow them to be activated in their own personal lives!!!!

To you,.....these "words" seem to be "in your way"!!

To me, and many others,......these "Words" are the Only Way!!!!

The prophet Jeremiah spoke and prophesied about these "two separate types of individuals"

Jeremiah 6:16
King James Version (KJV)

16Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.

I advise you to take another look at this "age old" Message!!!

Love and Peace,.....kreagle

[Whiskey_Mystic]

I notice a few people in here who equate fallen angels to the demons and devils who are enemies of the Celestial Heaven.

May I give a word of warning in here..

There are many angels who "fell" to earth and reincarnate as humans to raise the consciousness of humanity.

There are also many demons born in the underworld who have never been angels in the first place.

I caution all in here to use the term "fallen angel" judiciously for I can't imagine the karma which one would get for insulting the soldiers and servants of the Universal Creator.

Interesting thread. I propose that the term applies also to those beings of light who came here a long long time ago to help humanity and who unwittingly became caught up in the illusion. Some of us here even believe that we are counted in their number. Even more astounding would be the idea that friends who came with them are still here, slowly and patiently guiding them back out of the illusion lifetime after lifetime and century after century. Perhaps in these times of awakening some of us have come back into contact with these friends and can speak with them and begin to remember. But I've had an extra scotch and I've said too much already. Such insane notions.

[WEAREONE]

I am searching to understand this particular subject. In this search I read, listen to videos, post questions etc. So I would ask you Seigarchon. Can you please give links and or names of resources for all those interested that may want to gather information. Can you please share the information you have or give links, names of researchers, video links? The warning you offer in your post seems lacking in empathy.
Empathy is an ability with many different definitions. They cover a broad spectrum, ranging from caring for other people and having a desire to help them, to experiencing emotions that match another person's emotions, to knowing what the other person is thinking or feeling, to blurring the line between self and other.[6] Below are definitions of empathy:
Daniel Batson: "A motivation oriented towards the other."[7]
D. M. Berger: "The capacity to know emotionally what another is experiencing from within the frame of reference of that other person, the capacity to sample the feelings of another or to put one's self in another's shoes."[8]
Jean Decety: "A sense of similarity in feelings experienced by the self and the other, without confusion between the two individuals."[9][10]
Frans de Waal: "The capacity to (a) be affected by and share the emotional state of another, (b) assess the reasons for the other’s state, and (c) identify with the other, adopting his or her perspective. This definition extends beyond what exists in many animals, but the term “empathy” … applies even if only criterion (a) is met."[11]
Nancy Eisenberg: "An affective response that stems from the apprehension or comprehension of another's emotional state or condition, and that is similar to what the other person is feeling or would be expected to feel."[12]
R. R. Greenson: To empathize means to share, to experience the feelings of another person.[citation needed]
Alvin Goldman: "The ability to put oneself into the mental shoes of another person to understand her emotions and feelings."[13]
Martin Hoffman: any process where the attended perception of the object’s state generates a state in the subject that is more applicable to the object’s state or situation than to the subject’s own prior state or situation.[14]
William Ickes: A complex form of psychological inference in which observation, memory, knowledge, and reasoning are combined to yield insights into the thoughts and feelings of others.[15]
Heinz Kohut: Empathy is the capacity to think and feel oneself into the inner life of another person[16]
Harry Prosen: "an emotional understanding which allows one as a therapist to resonate with one's patients in depth emotionally, so that it influences the therapeutic approach and alliance with the patient"[17]

[markpierre]

That was an interesting post on empathy WEAREONE. Thanks.

It sounds alot like heart.

That beautiful heart painted on Jesus's chest in all the pictures, really is what it was all about? It emitted rays of light.

An awakening heart. Was that the message that everybody missed? "Oh, that's what happens!"

Or was it like "I heard it, but I didn't get it".

Lets get this straight. God (or angels) does NOT have values that are lesser than any other parent. (Sane parent)

[bluestflame]

old scriptures were written in a time when we had a great deal less words to convey accurately a concept

sometimes an exercise in imagination can more accurately convey said concepts


ie sometimes the words get in the way

bluestflame,

I'm fully aware that the King James version of the Bible, oldest English rendition, is considered "old" to some.

The "original" Old Testament texts were written in Hebrew and the "original" New Testament texts were written in Greek,......and they, themselves, are even "older than that of the King James version!"

Going back, even "further" than that,.....the 10 Commandments, written with the "finger of God",......were even much, much older and they were written on "tables of stone"

In "each" of these examples,.....age of text is not,.....nor has it ever been,.....the problem with the veracity, or validity, of It's content!

Neither was there a problem with illiteracy during these "golden eras of time".

What some may see as "words,.....in the way", or obstacles to one's point of view,......"others recognize them to be Truth,....reverence them as such,.....and then allow them to be activated in their own personal lives!!!!

To you,.....these "words" seem to be "in your way"!!

To me, and many others,......these "Words" are the Only Way!!!!

The prophet Jeremiah spoke and prophesied about these "two separate types of individuals"

Jeremiah 6:16
King James Version (KJV)

16Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.

I advise you to take another look at this "age old" Message!!!

Love and Peace,.....kreagle


that's a good foundation for dogma

[kreagle]

old scriptures were written in a time when we had a great deal less words to convey accurately a concept

sometimes an exercise in imagination can more accurately convey said concepts


ie sometimes the words get in the way

bluestflame,

I'm fully aware that the King James version of the Bible, oldest English rendition, is considered "old" to some.

The "original" Old Testament texts were written in Hebrew and the "original" New Testament texts were written in Greek,......and they, themselves, are even "older than that of the King James version!"

Going back, even "further" than that,.....the 10 Commandments, written with the "finger of God",......were even much, much older and they were written on "tables of stone"

In "each" of these examples,.....age of text is not,.....nor has it ever been,.....the problem with the veracity, or validity, of It's content!

Neither was there a problem with illiteracy during these "golden eras of time".

What some may see as "words,.....in the way", or obstacles to one's point of view,......"others recognize them to be Truth,....reverence them as such,.....and then allow them to be activated in their own personal lives!!!!

To you,.....these "words" seem to be "in your way"!!

To me, and many others,......these "Words" are the Only Way!!!!

The prophet Jeremiah spoke and prophesied about these "two separate types of individuals"

Jeremiah 6:16
King James Version (KJV)

16Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.

I advise you to take another look at this "age old" Message!!!

Love and Peace,.....kreagle


that's a good foundation for dogma

bluestflame,

Yes, indeed, the Word of God is a very "good foundation", and one that can be completely relied upon, especially during the "shaky and unstable" times we are all facing in the near future.

Should you ever face any "foundational problems",....please don't hesitate to PM me,....I am always genuinely interested in helping others.

Love and Peace,......kreagle

[RedeZra]

Enoch

once upon a time before the Flood

a group of angels came together and chose to transgress the laws of God

by begetting children with the daughters of men

and teaching budding humanity secret sciences


the children of this consummation were not human but giant demigods

and when these giants were killed then they became terrestrial spirits or demons

which Jesus used to cast out of people so as to heal them of various ailments


these demons are bound to the earth

they used to be the giant Nephilim or heroes of old when they had physicality


their fathers are the fallen angels

who chose to transgress the laws of God

and so have become devils

[seigiarchon]

Enoch

once upon a time before the Flood

a group of angels came together and chose to transgress the laws of God

by begetting children with the daughters of men

and teaching budding humanity secret sciences


the children of this consummation were not human but giant demigods

and when these giants were killed then they became terrestrial spirits or demons

which Jesus used to cast out of people so as to heal them of various ailments


these demons are bound to the earth

they used to be the giant Nephilim or heroes of old when they had physicality


their fathers are the fallen angels

who chose to transgress the laws of God

and so have become devils

Oh really?

where is your proof?

or do you blindly accept whatever rubbish indoctrination the child-sex priests of the Vatican feed you?

[RedeZra]

Oh really?

where is your proof?

or do you blindly accept whatever rubbish indoctrination the child-sex priests of the Vatican feed you?


what kind of a response is this ?

repent

[GoodETxSG]

Oh really?

where is your proof?

or do you blindly accept whatever rubbish indoctrination the child-sex priests of the Vatican feed you?


what kind of a response is this ?

repent

No doubt...
I do not know where to start. The crazy part is that you were quoting from a book that the Vatican and others chose NOT to canonize. Proof? You expect to find PROOF in any literature about what a "Fallen Angel" is, be it ancient or current era? Geese, rapid visceral hate responses are not the traits of an intellect... which MOST of the scripture bashers claim to be. All one can do is shake their head at a post like that, whether you are a believer in the Bible (Historically, Literally or Symbolically) or in Science and Exopolotics...

[seigiarchon]

Oh really?

where is your proof?

or do you blindly accept whatever rubbish indoctrination the child-sex priests of the Vatican feed you?


what kind of a response is this ?

repent

No my friend.

You repent while you still have the chance before the True Judgment Day arrives.

[seigiarchon]

Oh really?

where is your proof?

or do you blindly accept whatever rubbish indoctrination the child-sex priests of the Vatican feed you?


what kind of a response is this ?

repent

No doubt...
I do not know where to start. The crazy part is that you were quoting from a book that the Vatican and others chose NOT to canonize. Proof? You expect to find PROOF in any literature about what a "Fallen Angel" is, be it ancient or current era? Geese, rapid visceral hate responses are not the traits of an intellect... which MOST of the scripture bashers claim to be. All one can do is shake their head at a post like that, whether you are a believer in the Bible (Historically, Literally or Symbolically) or in Science and Exopolotics...

Exactly my point.

There is no proof to be found in any written works in the world.

This is why I give jack **** about the Drake fiasco. Drake and his toady Wilcock can go post zillions and zillions of documents and blogs online but until the world bloody changes or the mass arrests start, whatever they say mean Jack ****.

Same applies to the Vatican or to any other religion.

As the Buddha said," “Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders. Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations. But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it.”

So far none of the Bible or Scriptures have agreed with my observations and analysis..

Especially the part where it says "fallen" angels..

[RedeZra]

So far none of the Bible or Scriptures have agreed with my observations and analysis..

Especially the part where it says "fallen" angels..


you are not alone

observing and analysing


others have probably found some pieces of the puzzle

which you are still looking for

and perhaps vice versa


all the old cultures have myths and legends about giants

and the PTB are busy supressing and stacking away huge skeletons and big artifacts

Jesus used to cast out demons and discarnate spirits are still around


how to explain this reality of giants of old and discarnate spirits ?

where do they come from


there must be an explanation

[pyrangello]

2 years ago a very close friend of mine(Pam) had heart surgery, valves replaced, stints all in the same operation at 49 years old. This woman was from kentucky, brash and brazen, always told me what was on her mind, former trama nurse, and on and on. But this particular time in her life she told me as she approached the hospital doors knowing this could be her last walk before the operation she told me that she just wanted to turn around and run away before the operation as she was scared to death. I told her I would ask all the angels that I had a connection with for assistance to help pull her thru this including a deseased capuchin priest named fr. solanus who resided in a monostary in detroit who is in the process of cannonazation to be a saint and rightfully so.

2 days after the operation Pams husband called me and told me that his wife who was operated on said there was a man standing in the corner of her room just smiling saying it would be ok and an older woman sitting in the chair that just kept smiling . The odd thing was that the only person that could see these individuals was Pam and this went on for days. As Pam got better I spoke to her by a cell phone and she confirmed yes they are still in her room and she said there were more entities like the man and woman coming daily to visit her and she conveyed to them as they came to visit to go help others in the hospital as she was getting better. Pam told me that the older woman had a connection to me which is still unknown. Today 2 years later Pam is doing very well and she told me she is no longer afraid of when it is time to leave this particular lifetime as there is more beyond as there really is no end to us. ;)

A second story I 'd like to share is some 20 years ago 2 buddies of mine were riding there mnotorcyles on a dark highway in Tennessee. All of a sudden my one buddy lost control of his motorcyle and was spinning around on the concrete with his bike and my other buddy was headed right straight into him as he was going to fast. Just before impact in to the motorcycle on the concrete my buddy closed his eyes and when he re-opened them he was standing on the side of the road with his motorcycle and kickstand down. Stunned he called out my other buddies name and he answered as it was pitch black. As both of them got both motorcyles on the side of the road on there kickstands, they were discussing what had just happened as no explanation was apparent. Then both of my buddies describe looking across the road 40-50 ft away and a blonde woman in a white dress appeared with a dog by her side, kind of illuminating. She spoke to both of them and asked if they were ok? My buddies replied yes, as the woman smiled and turned with her dog to walk away , within 2 steps she vanished as quik as she appeared. Both of my buddies said this experience changed their lives forever.

Fallen angels, earthbound angels, and on and on , all great debates but I believe the key is to believe with Love as the main thrust, the rest will take are of itself. :) Unity is the key even if we have seperate opinions.