The Elite’s Secret Plan to Artificially Provoke Dec-2012 Cataclysm Revealed…?

[qbeac]

Hi everyone, do you think the thread title is correct or wrong? In order to try to discern it, we should analyze, at least but not limited to, the following important data:

Firstly, there is an Electrical Engineer from the University of Chile called Pedro Gaete (his videos are in YouTube) who is the Executive Director of the “Observatorio Sísmico Solar” (Solar Seismic Observatory), and who says his company has designed a device to predict earthquakes, and with it they have already been able to accurately predict several big earthquakes a few days in advance.

Pedro has recently been interviewed on a Chilean TV channel where he explains how their device works. These are the links:


MUST WATCH VIDEOS (March-23-2012) In Spanish:
Salfate Pedro Gaete 23 Mar.2012 Part.1/5
Salfate- La predicciòn de pedro gaete 1/5
1-5 (15min): www.youtube.com/watch?v=esKOugS78fg
2-5 (15min): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5P9lc4Jr4M
3-5 (12 min): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpvKh4fAssY
4-5 (8 min): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddX5n40NKSM

I’d recommend watching the whole interview with Pedro because he gets into a lot of technical details about how earthquakes can be provoked both naturally and artificially, and how their device can predict them in advance, but just as a brief summary:

Pedro says earthquakes can be provoked by a combination of about 20 different factors which can be both natural or artificial factors, and some of them are:

Fluctuations in the electromagnetic field of the Earth both globally or locally (in seismic fault lines); the way other planets in the Solar System, stars (our Sun), or black holes influence the Earth’s electromagnetic field; the way the alignment of different planets-stars affect each other’s electromagnetic fields (planets-stars-black holes behave in a certain way as huge magnets); different types of natural or artificial electromagnetic pulses emitted (a) naturally by other celestial bodies (stars, black holes, etc.) or emitted (b) artificially by advanced technology (HAARP, Tesla, scalar waves, etc.).

Pedro and his team use special antennas on the ground to measure variations in the Earth electromagnetic field in precise locations (especially around seismic fault lines). That way they can know in advance when and where an earthquake will take place.

Pedro also says that advanced secret technology (HAARP, scalar waves, etc.) can be beamed at precise points of seismic fault lines in order to do two different things: (a) to increase or (b) to decrease the intensity of a natural earthquake.

In other words, HAARP (or similar technologies) could be used either to alleviate a natural earthquake (making it smaller) or to provoke a huge artificial earthquake.


Pedro Gaete says he has scientific proof (recordings) that Chile has been attacked by an earthquake weapon (scalar waves) to provoke artificial earthquakes

In his interviews, Pedro has shown several recordings they have been able to obtain of scalar waves (HAARP or similar technology?) being beamed to seismic fault lines at very precise moments in order to provoke artificial earthquakes. Pedro talks about time windows of opportunity (Note: those time windows are due to the concurrence of specific physical factors favourable to the triggering of the earthquake) which only last a few minutes, and which the elite can take advantage of in order to amplify those natural factors and provoke a MUCH BIGGER artificial earthquake.

He says those recordings are empirical proof of earthquake weapons being used, and that’s very serious because it directly points to State sponsored Geo-Terrorism. He thinks there are many more recent earthquakes which may have been artificial provoked using this method, such as the ones in Haiti, Chile, Japan (which included a tsumani), etc.

Pedro also says he and his company have already notified about this situation the political and military leaders of most world countries (Russia, China, India, Europe, etc.).

(Personal note: as an aside, could something similar have been the real cause of the sinking of Atlantis? Instead of a natural cataclysm, could it have been due to a war between different factions using advanced technology? I don’t know, but it is a good question worth delving into it)


William Cohen, ex USA Secretary of Defence (1997–2001), says:


WILLIAM COHEN ADDRESS 4/28 AT CONFERENCE ON TERRORISM.

Terrorism, Weapons of Mass Destruction, and U.S. Strategy. Sam Nunn Policy Forum. April 28, 1997 University of Georgia, Athens, Georgia.
http://www.fas.org/news/usa/1997/04/bmd970429d.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Cohen

Excerpt: Others are engaging even in an eco-type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves.

So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations. It's real, and that's the reason why we have to intensify our efforts, and that's why this is so important…


What does all of this have to do with a possible december-2012 global cataclysm?

Pedro says that on december-2012 a special and rare combination of important risky natural factors are going to coincide all at the same time: several planet alignments with the Earth, the Sun, the black hole at the center of the galaxy, etc.; plus a cyclical pulse from a near by black hole (Note: I think he refers to Elenin, which, according to Pedro, would not be a comet but a black hole and our Sun’s orbiting companion which has a period of about 11.000 years or so… I ‘think’ that’s what Pedro said… see video to verify it), etc.

The problem with that numerous coincidence of natural factors is that it offers an appropriate natural scenario for the elite, in case they wish to do it, to use their advanced secret technology to artificially provoke a VERY BIG earthquake (or several ones at the same time in different locations) which could trigger a global cataclysm that could affect a big portion of planet Earth, if not all of it.

Besides the explanations given by Pedro Gaete, there is a vast body of data that offers circumstantial evidence that the elite’s agenda might in fact be that one: to take advantage of the coincidental and natural occurring circumstances of that date (december-2012) in order to try to artificially provoke a pretty big global cataclysm (see more details about it in the additional info below).


In case this hypothesis was to be true, it would mean the elite is trying to AMBUSH humanity

In case (a) Pedro is right and the elite has the technical capability to provoke artificial earthquakes, and in case (b) the elite may have intent on taking advantage of the naturally occurring circumstances of that date (december-2012) in order to trigger a global cataclysm, that would mean the elite might be trying to AMBUSH humanity, as it was explained in the Anglo Saxon Mission.


Could this potential ambush be stopped? Yes!!! How? Arresting the elite ASAP!!!

That’s what Drake and Co. (the supposedly good guys from the Pentagon and US military) are trying to do (at least according to Drake). Therefore, if Drake & Co. are for real (and I hope so but cannot know for certain), let’s support them in everyway we can. One way of supporting them is by spreading this info far and wide, just in case.


How has the elite been able to commit so many crimes against humanity with impunity? Because humanity has been misinformed and passive

If humanity had not been misinformed, and if it had not acted so passively, the elite could not have gone so far in committing so many crimes. Also, the passivity of humanity may be due to many different factors, for instance: selfishness, immaturity, irresponsibility, greed, fear, etc.

Therefore, the SOLUTION to this situation would be the opposite: maturity, responsibility, generosity, courage, valor, braveness, love, etc.

So, who is to blame for this problem on planet Earth? In my opinion, there are two parties who are responsible for it: (1) the corrupt elite (50% of the responsibility) and (2) an immature humanity (50% of the responsibility).

If we ourselves (humanity) solve number 2, number 1 (the corrupt elite) won’t be able to continue deceiving and controlling society and the problem will be solved.

Therefore, let’s spread the word to get a better world!

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ADDITIONAL INFO

I’ve posted a longer and more detailed explanation of this subject in this Spanish forum:

Post 1 (pag. 1). Desvelado misterio cataclismo dic-2012: la élite lo quiere provocar artificialmente…?
http://www.burbuja.info/inmobiliaria/conspiraciones/303370-desvelado-misterio-cataclismo-dic-2012-elite-quiere-provocar-artificialmente.html

You’ll also notice that debunkers are attacking this info in order to prevent it from spreading:

Post 22 (pag 3). Debunkers are attacking this info so that threads are closed or deleted
http://www.burbuja.info/inmobiliaria/conspiraciones/303370-desvelado-misterio-cataclismo-dic-2012-elite-quiere-provocar-artificialmente-3.html#post6230961

For those of you who may need a translator, google works fine:

Google translator
http://translate.google.es/?hl=es&tab=wT

There is also a vast body of circumstantial evidence which points to one direction: the elite might have intent on either (a) artificially provoking or (b) taking advantage of a global natural cataclysm to further their agenda of world domination, as it was explained in the Anglo Saxon Mission. That is explained in Post 1 of this thread:

”2012” movie: Fiction or reality?
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?11567-2012-movie-Fiction-or-reality-Who-s-right-Charles-or-AngloSaxonMision-GeorgeLucas

[Unified Serenity]

Well, 2 of us so far are brilliant.... pats self on the back.

It is in the HAARP patents that they can provoke an earthquake by bouncing their HAARP energy down to a spot on the earth. They can also modify the weather with it, and affect brain waves. I don't know for sure how good it is at shielding as some scalar tech is very good at that, but HAARP has been spoken of in that capacity as well, but I'm just not very versed in that area at all.

SO. yes, HAArP can make earthquakes which would translate to tsunamis as well.

[WhiteFeather]

That makes 3 of us now.

[Mozart]

qbeac ~


Nice thread idea.


I voted that the elites can trigger earthquakes, not only through HAARP, but nukies as well, per the Japanese tsunami that hit Japan. It was the nukes that was drilled down into the Earth that set off the tsunami, not the alleged "9.0" quake that did not happen -- the quake was only a 6.0 quake.


But if the elites had their way without interference from the good-guy ETs, I can personally guarantee that the world will have suffered far, far more nasty earthquakes, plus other really nasty events.


Think about it. The dark bastard elites have proven their abilities to set off earthquakes at pretty much any time they want ... yet, there have not been really massive, damaging quakes that would have created massive suffering in entire regions, not just localized regions.


Those kinds of really damaging quakes have not happened, despite the elites' proven abilities to set off such quakes. Why? What's been stopping them?


~Mozart

[Eagle Eye]

It reminds me the illuminati card

http://media.adamdodson.org/var/resizes/Illuminati-Card-Game/earthquake%20projector.png?m=1276953270

[Mad Hatter]

Not just yes but hell yeah....

Of course those that wonder why there is now so much publically available info on scalar weapons and want to go even further down that rabbit hole will soon run up against quantum weapons. Currently very very black and probably very very ugly if theory is anything to go by.

A positive that might be taken from such a scenario is that while the boys play with new toys they loosen their grip on the old ones. Thus opening the way for lamestream science to finally get their heads round the physics behind the scalar stuff which should lead to all the more useful aspects of the tech becoming available....ie cure for most disease, FE, Anti-grav, etc.

[aranuk]

We have a powerful thread going here so far. Unified Serenity is on our side, at least at the moment.

Stan

[GlassSteagallfan]

In the 1970's, Popular Science magazine did an article about HAARP entitled 'The Doomsday Machine'

Yes, they can.

Does dic-2012 mean December 2012?

[Unified Serenity]

We have a powerful thread going here so far. Unified Serenity is on our side, at least at the moment.

Stan

Howling with laughter...... I'm on the side of freedom always!

[aranuk]

hugs


Stan

[GoodETxSG]

I wish there was a choice for "The elite can, do and have artificially provoked earthquakes and massive death tolls" But I voted for The elite can artificially provoke earthquakes! ;)

[Alie]

I appreciate your logical presentation. I agree with your premises and logical conclusion/solution --- remove people that use the technology against humanity.

Thank you!

[qbeac]

…Does dic-2012 mean December 2012?
Sorry, GlassSteagallfan, you’re right, that was a typo. I meant to say december-2012 (dec-12) and not dic-12.

Please, could a moderator change the title and write this new one? Thanks.


The elite’s secret plan to artificially provoke december-2012 cataclysm revealed…?

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With regards to some of the comments you all have made:

Quantum weapons: yes, Pedro Gaete also mentions that subject in his interview in the Chilean TV channel. He also mentions Tesla, zero point energy, etc.

The technical capacity of the elite to use other types of weapons (nuclear bombs, etc.) to artificially provoke earthquakes and/or tsunamis: yes, I’ve include info about it in the links I added at the end of post 1.

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My personal opinion about this subject is that it is VERY plausible, probable and likely that the elite have been planning on provoking an artificial cataclysm on dec-12 (on or around these years). Another option would be aggravating a natural occurring one.

I also think that the reason why the corrupt elite has been able to perpetrate all these crimes has been partly because of the low level of consciousness of humanity. Had humanity consciousness level been higher, the elite could not have gone so far. Therefore, an increase in the level of consciousness and acting accordingly (at least a critical mass), would solve the situation.

In any case, it is not healthy at all to have the very corrupt illuminati elite ruling this planet and with the button of the HAARP facilities at their disposal. That’s a crazy and lethal combination. Therefore, the healthiest thing to do would be to arrest them as soon as possible, as Drake & Co. say they want to do.

Therefore, let’s support them. Let’s spread this info far and wide!!!

[qbeac]

New update by David Wilcock:

ARREST WARRANTS: Liens Filed Against G7 Central Banks.
Tuesday, 01 May 2012 11:33
http://kauilapele.wordpress.com/2012/05/01/david-wilcock-new-article-5-1-12-arrest-warrants-liens-filed-against-g7-central-banks/

Question:

Does that mean that thousands of elite members are about to be arrested?

If that’s what it means, let’s hope they don’t stop in the lower levels but go all the way up to the very top, to the capstone of the illuminati pyramid.

[Straker]

Hi, and thanks for posting this thread.

I should mention here that I was among the first people in Australia to know about or to research the HAARP phenomenon, back in 1995. I attended a lecture from a guy who had been traveling the world researching these transmitters.

From then on, (having had the internet on at my place since 1994) started researching about it, and put out an information pack that we used to sell at Awareness Quest meetings on the Gold Coast in 1995 and 1996.

There was a guy who used to attend, that took my research and gave me a report based upon his knowledge of what all that math meant. His background was lasers, and he told me that HAARP was capable of punching a hole in the ionosphere, and could direct an intense beam of energy back onto the other side of the earth by creating an artificial concave mirror. He also said that it was possible for the system to create holographic projections in the sky..

You only have to look at the reports of Tesla's experiment with a small handheld earthquake device that nearly toppled a building to know that the harmonic vibratory equipment exists and has been patented to create seismic activity. How else would a woman break a glass with only her voice? Only by synchronous vibration.

I have a great deal of research on this topic packed away and on old floppy disks somewhere.

Straker

[qbeac]

Hi everyone, it would be great if somebody who understands Spanish could translate the interview with Pedro Gaete and Salfate (the one I included at the beginning of Post 1), where Pedro explains how earthquakes are provoked naturally and artificially, and how his team can predict them and has been able to record the HAARP facilities shooting scalar waves to seismic fault lines in Chile to provoke (or aggravate) earthquakes, etc., etc.

I could translate it, but I don’t have the time right now. But I guarantee you that that interview is worth it, it is really interesting, it is a must watch.

[qbeac]

Hi everyone, please, let me convey a thought to you using simple logic and easy questions, and based on the following concepts of criminal law:


Means, motive, and opportunity
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Means,_motive,_and_opportunity

In US Criminal law, means, motive, and opportunity is a popular cultural summation of the three aspects of a crime needed to convince a jury of guilt in a criminal proceeding.

Respectively, they refer to: the ability of the defendant to commit the crime (means), the reason the defendant had to commit the crime (motive), and whether or not the defendant had the chance to commit the crime (opportunity)…. Etc.

Q & A:

Q: Can we (regular people) know for sure whether the elite will be arrested, as David Wilcock and Drake say?
A: No, because we don’t have insider knowledge and we can only guess and speculate.

Q: Should we all want for the elite to be arrested ASAP?
A: Yes.

Q: Why?
A: Because if they are not arrested ASAP, the elite might have the means, motive, and opportunity to destroy this planet (or at least big portions of its surface) and this civilization (as it may have happened with Atlantis?).

And that is not a joke. Let me explain why:

If you watch the videos of Pedro Gaete (they are at the beginning of post 1, pag. 1), he explains several very important things, which are:


1) The elite have the technical capacity to provoke artificial earthquakes. They can, do, and have done it many times (Ex: Chile, Haiti, Japan, etc.).

2) Huge artificial earthquakes can be provoked by using advanced technology (HAARP, scalar waves, etc.) at the precise moment when a smaller natural earthquake takes place. Pedro Gaete talks about small windows of opportunity which last a few minutes each time.

3) Pedro Gaete explains that on Dec-2012, a natural coincidence of many natural risky factors is going to take place in this solar system: several alignments of planets, the Earth, the Sun, the center of the galaxy, and a natural pulse from a nearby black hole.

4) Pedro Gaete explains that in case the elite would like to take advantage of that natural combination of factors on Dec-2012, the artificial earthquake they could provoke would be MANY orders of magnitude BIGGER than a big earthquake. And Pedro says that if done properly (Ex: in several different locations of this planet at once, etc.) and with bad intentions (to cause harm), it could even trigger and provoke a global cataclysm.

Q: Therefore, do the elite have the means, motive, and opportunity to cause a global cataclysm on Dec-2012?
A: Even though we cannot be 100% sure, we can say that there is a HIGH level of probability that the elite have all 3 things:


1) Means: Yes, the elite very probably has the means to provoke a global cataclysm (as Pedro Gaete explains)

2) Motive: Yes, the elite have the motive because that would allow them to keep controlling this planet during the next astronomical cycle (as it is explained in detail in the Anglo Saxon Mission)

3) Opportunity: Yes, the elite will have a good opportunity on Dec-2012 (as Pedro Gaete explains).

CONCLUSIONS:


Even though we cannot be 100% certain that the elite will try to provoke an artificial global cataclysm on Dec-2012 (or on another date-year), there are very good reasons to believe (based on the info included in post 1, links and videos), that there is a HIGH probability risk that the elite might want to do it and might attempt to do it.

Therefore, the current situation in this planet (Note: having a corrupt elite ruling it and with the HAARP button at its disposal, not to mention everything else they’ve done already: provoking wars, polluting, stealing, killing, deceiving, cheating, etc.) is TOTALLY insane, dangerous, and unhealthy for all life on this planet and for the planet itself.

Therefore, the healthiest thing to do, just in case, would be to arrest the corrupt elite ASAP.

Therefore, let’s hope that there are wise enough, brave enough, and honest enough people in the military, so that the mass arrests of the elite becomes a reality as soon as possible (as David Wilcock, Drake & Co. say).

Therefore, even though we (regular people) are not sure 100% what will happen, let’s support Drake & Co. How? Well, by spreading the word or by any other nice and legitimate means we can think of.

[RMorgan]

Hey folks,

I´m almost sure that they can indeed make earthquakes, but I don´t believe they will use this technology to reinforce the 2012 theory.

However, they can do that only in places where natural earthquakes can happen.

Brazil, which is above a single tectonic plate, is immune to this technology! :)

Cheers,

Raf.

[Rantaak]

Yes, they certainly can!

Do I care? No! BECAUSE I'M FLIPPING IMMORTAL! Just like all of us.

Only way to go is up.

[jorr lundstrom]

Wots secret in this, if its written here?


All is well


Jorr 2.0

[9eagle9]

All this ptb 'stuff' , Haarp, etc, is mimicry of human potential. They can't create anything they can only mimic. They take human potential, smother it under a bunch of conditioning, and then take that potential and build a mock up of it--in a machine or whatever. They've em machines, scalar machines. None of these artifically re-created models or constructs have nearly the potential or power that human would if they would only get of the models that suppress their own power.

We can manipulate earthquakes. We can manipulate the weather. They can only re-create or mimick pure human potential. That is where our power is and we give it away..Everything the build their doomsday machines is based on the human potential.

Yet people are disempowered. Huh?

That is how big pharma -re-creates or replicates medicine. They isolate the components of the plant, and create a mock medicine from it that doesn't have anywhere near the potency of the real thing.


Wots secret in this, if its written here?


All is well


Jorr 2.0

¤=[Post Update]=¤

We spend so much time obsessing over what the ptb can do and not enough on what we can do.

[Sebastion]

My sentiments exactly 9eagle9. If people could only realize the immense power that they are sitting right square in the middle of this planet would undergo a massive positive change in very short order.



All this ptb 'stuff' , Haarp, etc, is mimicry of human potential. They can't create anything they can only mimic. They take human potential, smother it under a bunch of conditioning, and then take that potential and build a mock up of it--in a machine or whatever. They've em machines, scalar machines. None of these artifically re-created models or constructs have nearly the potential or power that human would if they would only get of the models that suppress their own power.

We can manipulate earthquakes. We can manipulate the weather. They can only re-create or mimick pure human potential. That is where our power is and we give it away..Everything the build their doomsday machines is based on the human potential.

Yet people are disempowered. Huh?

That is how big pharma -re-creates or replicates medicine. They isolate the components of the plant, and create a mock medicine from it that doesn't have anywhere near the potency of the real thing.


Wots secret in this, if its written here?


All is well


Jorr 2.0

¤=[Post Update]=¤

We spend so much time obsessing over what the ptb can do and not enough on what we can do.

[The Truth Is In There]

i agree that they can create earthquakes and other stuff via haarp but why would they want to create a global ELE? it took them centuries to create a slave population that works for them and more or less unknowingly supports them. why kill a large part of that population quickly if everything is in place to do it slowly and make lots of money by it, too? no, if a global ELE takes place it won't be caused by tptb.

[qbeac]

Hello everyone at Avalon,

This is a proactive proposition to all of you who would like to do SOMETHING about the current situation in the world instead of just sitting around or chatting among ourselves. In other words, let’s get ACTIVE!!!


http://www.wordmagicsoft.com/dictionary/en-es/proactive.php

Definition of proactive: Controlling a situation by causing something to happen rather than waiting to respond to it after it happens.

This is the proposition, it has three basic parts:


1) Let’s try to get as many e-mails addresses as possible from people in positions of power all over the world (we all are from different countries).

2) Let’s send them e-mails to inform them about the basic things (911 inside job, Drake, etc.)

3) Let’s inform the people in positions of power in our local areas (town halls, police stations, etc.) about this situation.

Regarding point 1, it would be, for instance: military personnel, police officers, federal and local government officials, town halls, intelligence services, business men, journalists, etc.

Regarding point 2, it would be, for instance: the basics facts of 911, info about Drake, David Wilcock’s articles (Financial Tyranny, etc.), the latest news about Pedro Gaete (the elite’s capacity to provoke earthquakes), etc.

Regarding point 3, all of us probably know (I do) some people in our local areas who have certain positions of power: local politicians, policemen, people at town halls, etc.

I’ve already done those 3 points several times. For instance, I once did a google search to find as many e-mail addresses as possible from USA military bases and personnel, and I found many different military websites (War Colleges, Military Bases, etc.) which had many, many e-mail addresses from all sorts of military personnel (Note: I mean e-mail addresses which were already published in those websites).

And once I got the e-mail addresses (hundreds of them), I sent them a short briefing about 911 and what Alan Sabrosky said about it.

If anyone of you would like to help with this project, please, let us know about those e-mail addresses and let’s do it.

Thanks.

P.S. If the e-mail addresses are already published on the Internet, I guess we could publish them here (in this thread or in another one), can we? If not, by PM, or in another website or blog. The point is to make a long list of e-mail addresses of influential people so that we all can send them this info. Some of those people for sure will be honest and brave.

[qbeac]

Hi everyone, this thread was started in the year 2012. But in case what Cobra has just said this week is true, then the info in this thread might still be relevant today (January-2019), or even more so than in 2012.

Why?

Because the elite’s plan to hide from the general population the knowledge of an imminent natural cataclysm (perhaps in a few years from now, 2019…?) in order to ambush humanity and keep controlling this planet when the dust has settled, that plan might not be over yet but simply delayed.

In other words, the info about an imminent world cataclysm explained in the interview by Project Camelot “The Anglo Saxon Mission” could be true after all.

I encourage people to review post # 1 of this thread and also what Cobra has just said this week about it, which is the following:


Possible global cataclysm imminent? By Cobra. Bubbles of Heaven. January 21, 2019.
http://2012portal.blogspot.com/2019/01/bubbles-of-heaven.html

Excerpt: Now it is time to release certain intel that might be shocking to some, but deep inside you already knew it.

At a certain point after the Event, there will be a physical polar shift of the Earth rotational axis, which will be triggered by our Sun becoming a micronova / T-Tauri star, being triggered by the activity of the Cosmic Central Sun and the Galactic Central Sun:

http://cosmicconvergence.org/?p=13

The triggered Sun will then emit a huge plasma wave that will create the crustal displacement, rotational axis will shift and create a tsunami wave about 1 mile high:

https://www.exopolitics.org/massive-pole-shifts-are-cyclic-according-to-declassified-cia-document/

https://www.exopolitics.org/impending-solar-flash-event-supported-by-scientific-studies-insider-testimony/

https://exonews.org/cosmic-rays-as-triggers-for-solar-flashes-earth-core-eruptions-pole-shifts/

This mile high tsunami wave will effectively purge from the surface of the planet all impurities that still need to be purged. Needless to say, all Islands of Light and all Areas of Light will be completely unafftected by the tsunami wave, as they will be protected with advanced technologies given to us by positive races after the Event.

As all this will only happen a few years after the Event, there is nothing to fear.

Similar solar plasma event, but smaller in magnificence and without the physical axis shift, has happened one half of the precessional cycle, or 12,900 years ago:

http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Did_A_Massive_Solar_Proton_Event_Fry_The_Earth_999.html

……….etc.

[Bill Ryan]

in case what Cobra has just said this week is true, then the info in this thread might still be relevant today (January-2019), or even more so than in 2012.

Why?

Because the elite’s plan to hide from the general population the knowledge of an imminent natural cataclysm (perhaps in a few years from now, 2019…?) in order to ambush humanity and keep controlling this planet when the dust has settled, that plan might not be over yet but simply delayed.

In other words, the info about an imminent world cataclysm explained in the interview by Project Camelot “The Anglo Saxon Mission” could be true after all.



I'd very strongly suggest Cobra is NOT a credible source of any kind.

* A note: the Anglo Saxon Mission was about biological warfare and worse, but nothing connected with a cataclysm caused by extra-planetary factors.


The Anglo-Saxon Mission (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?355-The-Anglo-Saxon-Mission)

[qbeac]

Hi Bill and everyone else,

Two things:

(1) I'd very strongly suggest Cobra IS a credible source of many kind of info (in my personal opinion). Bill, what are your “reasons” to think the opposite?

(2) One of the key pieces of data mentioned in the Anglo-Saxon Mission interview is that the elite are planning to use a possible unexpected global cataclysm as part of their strategy to control this planet after the cataclysm is over.

But in that interview (The Anglo Saxon Mission), instead of using the word “cataclysm”, they use the words Global "geophysical event" or “catastrophe.”.

But in the context of the interview, both expressions mean basically the same thing.


The Anglo-Saxon Mission. February 2010.

“Global cataclysm” = Global "geophysical event"

http://projectavalon.net/lang/en/anglo_saxon_mission_en.html

Excerpt: As if all this were not enough, our source speculates this is all set against the backdrop of a coming "geophysical event" - the same kind of event as was experienced by our ancestors approximately 11,500 years ago. If this event occurs - not necessarily expected in 2012, but sometime in the next decade - it would destroy civilization as we know it, dwarfing even the effects of a nuclear war.

I asked the question to our source: If there's an expected catastrophe, then why initiate a Third World War? His answer, for the first time to me, made terrible sense.

The real goal, he explained, is to set up the post-catastrophic world. To ensure that this "New World" [note the term] is the one the controllers want, totalitarian control structures need to be in place when the catastrophe occurs… etc.

[Bill Ryan]

Hi Bill and everyone else,

Two things:

(1) I'd very strongly suggest Cobra IS a credible source of many kind of info (in my personal opinion). Bill, what are your “reasons” to think the opposite?

(2) One of the key pieces of data mentioned in the Anglo-Saxon Mission interview is that the elite are planning to use a possible unexpected global cataclysm as part of their strategy to control this planet after the cataclysm is over.

But in that interview (The Anglo Saxon Mission), instead of using the word “cataclysm”, they use the words Global "geophysical event" or “catastrophe.”.

But in the context of the interview, both expressions mean basically the same thing.


The Anglo-Saxon Mission. February 2010.

“Global cataclysm” = Global "geophysical event"

http://projectavalon.net/lang/en/anglo_saxon_mission_en.html

Excerpt: As if all this were not enough, our source speculates this is all set against the backdrop of a coming "geophysical event" - the same kind of event as was experienced by our ancestors approximately 11,500 years ago. If this event occurs - not necessarily expected in 2012, but sometime in the next decade - it would destroy civilization as we know it, dwarfing even the effects of a nuclear war.

I asked the question to our source: If there's an expected catastrophe, then why initiate a Third World War? His answer, for the first time to me, made terrible sense.

The real goal, he explained, is to set up the post-catastrophic world. To ensure that this "New World" [note the term] is the one the controllers want, totalitarian control structures need to be in place when the catastrophe occurs… etc.

1) I'd invite anyone who care enough to answer this in detail (because the response really might be a long one!) to cite all the reasons why Cobra isn't to be taken seriously. (Truly: I just don't have the time. He's a channeler who's made wild 'Ascension'-connected claims for years.)

2) The Anglo-Saxon Mission source was speculating personally that this might all be linked to come major cataclysm. He didn't actually hear that in the meeting he attended.

[qbeac]

Hi Bill, you accuse Cobra again but only with adjectives and not with arguments. Do you have any arguments?

Also, Bill, could everybody else in this forum do the same thing as you do: to accuse others with adjectives but without arguments?

Bill, if you are so sure about Cobra, would you tell him your opinions in an interview between you and him?

In that interview, it would be great to invite also other people such as David Wilcock, Corey Goode, Michael Salla, etc. (the people of the “Above Majestic” video)?

In any case, this is Corey Goode’s info about this subject:


Corey Goode Intel Update Part 1. August 2016
Possible solar flash, polar shift, global cataclysm

https://www.spherebeingalliance.com/blog/corey-goode-intel-update-part-1-aug-2016.html




Excerpt: He went on to talk about all of the activity going on in the southern hemisphere that has been reported by David Wilcock, Dr. Michael Salla and myself. He went into some of the details about the events that these Cabal factions are preparing for. Each faction has a slightly different view of what they are expecting to occur to our planet. Everyone is expecting that the Sun is going to discharge a large amount of energy in all directions at once.

Wilcock thoroughly explores the intel, scientific and spiritual angles of this in The Ascension Mysteries, due out August 30th. I have been reading an advance copy and feel it is an immensely useful contribution to the overall discussion.

Gonzales said “No one really knows what is going to happen” when the expected solar event occurs. He said many of the elite believe that our star is about to do a "reset" of sorts. According to Gonzales this has occurred on a semi-regular basis, not only for our star but within our entire local star cluster for eons.

The Law of One perspective is that this is a natural event that promotes evolution and Ascension throughout the universe on naturally-repeating cycles of time. The most scientific and pragmatic of these "secret syndicates" believe the entire surface area of the Sun’s corona is about to mass eject. They believe the Sun will then go almost completely dark for a number of days before it re-awakens into a new state of equilibrium.

These syndicate “eggheads” believe that the proceeding energetic shockwave and the impact of this mega-CME would take out all communications, electronics and sources of electricity on earth. This would have a negative impact on our current infrastructure but would effectively remove all traces of the AI threat from our solar system. It would also provide the perfect opportunity to declassify and disseminate technologies to the whole planet at once.

Some of these syndicates further believe this will cause a flip in polarity of the Earth’s magnetic field, having a dramatic effect on every living creature on the planet. The neurology and magnetic fields of our bodies would be effected as would our consciousness.

There is a divergence between these various syndicates beliefs as to how powerful of an effect this “solar sneeze” will have on the atmosphere and the surface of the Earth. Some believe that it will be a minor event that will take a few decades to recover from, while others are expecting dramatic increases in volcano eruptions and large-scale earthquakes across the world. This particular syndicate group believes it will cause a planetary winter that will repeat the downfall of the previous advanced civilization, which occurred just prior to our last ice age.

In either case, each of these secret Earth syndicates expect to re-emerge after the dust settles and exert their control over the survivors. They believe after they bring “order out of chaos,” they will be gods who serve over a utopian NWO planet.

Gonzales saw the concerned look on my face, and said “This event isn’t imminent, and this is only what some of these syndicates are expecting”. He said that the more esoteric of these syndicates believe, as many do in our community, that this will be a spiritual harvest. This is the perspective of the Law of One, which David has now been reporting on and investigating scientifically for twenty years. They think they can escape or hide from it while they are deep underground and beneath icecaps, such as in Antarctica… etc.

[Bill Ryan]

In any case, this is Corey Goode’s info about this subject:


Corey Goode Intel Update Part 1. August 2016
Possible solar flash, polar shift, global cataclysm

https://www.spherebeingalliance.com/blog/corey-goode-intel-update-part-1-aug-2016.html
[ ... ]

Gonzales said “No one really knows what is going to happen” when the expected solar event occurs. He said many of the elite believe that our star is about to do a "reset" of sorts. According to Gonzales this has occurred on a semi-regular basis, not only for our star but within our entire local star cluster for eons.


Nothing Corey Goode says or writes can be regarded as credible. (See the important thread The Truth about Corey Goode (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97313-The-Truth-about-Corey-Goode), and in particular, the long and detailed opening post.)



'Gonzales' is a fictional character. I was told that in writing by Mike Waskosky, who was (and probably still is) closely associated with the Corey Goode core group.

[qbeac]

Nothing Corey Goode says or writes can be regarded as credible. (See the important thread The Truth about Corey Goode (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97313-The-Truth-about-Corey-Goode), and in particular, the long and detailed opening post.)



'Gonzales' is a fictional character. I was told that in writing by Mike Waskosky, who was (and probably still is) closely associated with the Corey Goode core group.

Well, Bill, if you are so sure about what you are saying about Cobra, Corey, etc., then this is my opinion:

We (the general public) would really appreciate if you, Bill Ryan, and those persons (Cobra, Corey, David Wilcock, Michael Salla, etc.) have a PUBLIC TALK/S TO CLARIFY THIS SITUATION (YouTube interviews), so that we (the public) can listen to your respective data, info, arguments, etc., and decide for ourselves who might be correct or incorrect, saying the truth or lying, spreading info or disinfo, being a genuine person or a professional debunker on the payroll of the elite or other dark factions, etc., etc.

We’ll ask them (Cobra, Corey, David Wilcok, Michael Salla, etc.) if they would mind having that interview with you.

So now I ask you, Bill Ryan:

Do you mind having a public interview with them to clarify this situation?

[Andrew_K]

'Gonzales' is a fictional character. I was told that in writing by Mike Waskosky, who was (and probably still is) closely associated with the Corey Goode core group.


That was very bold of Mike to say that. Did he tell you anything more along those lines? Did he have a part in writing the character?

[Bill Ryan]

Nothing Corey Goode says or writes can be regarded as credible. (See the important thread The Truth about Corey Goode (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97313-The-Truth-about-Corey-Goode), and in particular, the long and detailed opening post.)





'Gonzales' is a fictional character. I was told that in writing by Mike Waskosky, who was (and probably still is) closely associated with the Corey Goode core group.


Well, Bill, if you are so sure about what you are saying about Cobra, Corey, etc., then this is my opinion:

We (the general public) would really appreciate if you, Bill Ryan, and those persons (Cobra, Corey, David Wilcock, Michael Salla, etc.) have a PUBLIC TALK/S TO CLARIFY THIS SITUATION (YouTube interviews), so that we (the public) can listen to your respective data, info, arguments, etc., and decide for ourselves who might be correct or incorrect, saying the truth or lying, spreading info or disinfo, being a genuine person or a professional debunker on the payroll of the elite or other dark factions, etc., etc.

We’ll ask them (Cobra, Corey, David Wilcok, Michael Salla, etc.) if they would mind having that interview with you.

So now I ask you, Bill Ryan:

Do you mind having a public interview with them to clarify this situation?

There's absolutely no way they'd agree to that, even if I were interested myself — and besides, there's nothing to 'clarify'. :)

There was already a most interesting, vigorous debate on the 2017 MUFON symposium panel, when Richard Dolan very effectively stated his piece when the other invited panelists were Corey Goode, Andy Basiago, Michael Salla, and William (Bill) Tompkins. Of course, nothing was agreed or conceded. That would have been impossible.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z--x_Ax_bVA

I tried to warn both David Wilcock and Michael Salla about Corey Goode in early 2015. David didn't respond, and Michael Salla replied to the effect that he didn't wish to know any further information about Corey and his documented history because he was already committed. ('Committed' is the word he used, not a very encouraging term for a supposedly academically-oriented researcher who should be data-driven rather than personally and emotionally involved.)

[Bill Ryan]

'Gonzales' is a fictional character. I was told that in writing by Mike Waskosky, who was (and probably still is) closely associated with the Corey Goode core group.

That was very bold of Mike to say that. Did he tell you anything more along those lines? Did he have a part in writing the character?

Daniel Liszt (the Dark Journalist) had told me in mid-2017 that he had a source within the Corey Goode camp who was there when 'Gonzales' was being invented. I don't know the details of who was present, though, as Daniel was understandably very protective of his contact.

I was in communication with Mike Waskosky at the time, so I asked him directly if this was the case. Mike confirmed it in text on a Skype chat.

The evident unreality of 'Gonzales' is also referred to by Brandon Young here, talking to William Ramsey. Go to 48:55 in this interview:

https://youtube.com/watch?time_continue=55&v=iBVfe8nocdo

[qbeac]

There's absolutely no way they'd agree to that, even if I were interested myself — and besides, there's nothing to 'clarify'. :)
...

Bill, right now I am not asking them, I am asking you:

Would you (Bill Ryan) be interested in talking to them in public to clarify this situation?

Yes or not?

And please, Bill, don’t evade the question.

Thanks.

P.S. And then we’ll ask them. And of course there is a LOT to clarify, and we (the public) want to know those clarifications.

[Bill Ryan]

There's absolutely no way they'd agree to that, even if I were interested myself — and besides, there's nothing to 'clarify'. :)
...

Bill, right now I am not asking them, I am asking you:

Would you (Bill Ryan) be interested in talking to them in public to clarify this situation?

Yes or not?

And please, Bill, don’t evade the question.

Thanks.

P.S. And then we’ll ask them.

No. :) As I wrote above, there's nothing to 'clarify'.


And of course there is a LOT to clarify, and we (the public) want to know those clarifications.If I may ask, what 'clarifications' do you feel are necessary, and from whom? I ask this because from what I can see, you don't appear to be acquainted with the very long history.

[qbeac]

No. :) As I wrote above, there's nothing to 'clarify'.

If I may ask, what 'clarifications' do you feel are necessary, and from whom?...
Bill, in post # 33 you said: “There's absolutely no way they'd agree to that, even if I were interested myself…”

With that answer, you made it sound as if “they” (Cobra, Corey, Salla, etc.), not “you” (Bill), were the ones who would refuse to having that public interview with you.

But in post # 36 you said “No” (to that public interview).

So, it is you, Bill (not they), who refuses to have that public interview with them.

Also, you say negative things about them in this forum but then you refuse to talk to them about it in a public interview?

Why do you refuse, perhaps because you have something to hide, or why…???

You also ask: what is there to clarify…?

Well, many, many, MAAAAANY important things, for instance, the matters in this thread (see above: possible pole shift and cataclysm, debunkers and disinfo agents accusations, etc.), which are very grave things and, therefore, deserve to be clarified.

In fact, what things could be more serious than the ones in this thread, which have the potential of ending or saving a whole civilization?

[Nasu]

We still talking about this? This was seven years ago!

So long as we need the authentication, confirmation or approval of any given thing from someone else, or for that matter our perceptions of any given thing, from another person, be they informed or not, we are not evolving OUR thoughts, our discernment, our understanding, but merely parroting their thoughts, their understandings, their evolution.

If it means that much to you qbeac, why don't you contact those individuals yourself and ask them directly and clarify it for yourself??.... N

[Andrew_K]

Daniel Liszt (the Dark Journalist) had told me in mid-2017 that he had a source within the Corey Goode camp who was there when 'Gonzales' was being invented. I don't know the details of who was present, though, as Daniel was understandably very protective of his contact.

I was in communication with Mike Waskosky at the time, so I asked him directly if this was the case. Mike confirmed it in text on a Skype chat.


I wanted to confirm for myself whether this was true, so I emailed Mike through this form (https://www.disclosurecolorado.org/contact-us/) and asked him myself. He said that there was a misunderstanding of what he meant in the Skype chat. Here's what he sent me:



I believe that Gonzales is a real person, and I have had no reason to doubt this, but I also cannot confirm that he is a REAL person. I most definitely have never made any statement stating anything like Gonzales being fictional.

I just looked up the chat with Bill where I mentioned Gonzales and Bill asked about my statements. I made a mistake of hastily using quotation marks initially when showing I was quoting Corey, but I see now how the quotation marks could have been misinterpreted as having emotional intent if one were to believe that I doubted Corey's statements. I further failed to contradict what Bill said about Gonzales being fictional with enough clarity, and I can see now how Bill must have misinterpreted me. I was actually (sloppily) trying to suggest the opposite though, that it seemed as though Corey could not have been making up Gonzales in context due to Gonzales having a DIFFERENT view of Bill than Corey had.

The quote from my skype history that confused Bill was:

"I was also told (weeks ago) that "Gonzales" confirmed you are not any kind of "agent" to be worried about, and that it sort of confused Corey to find out you are like are regular guy with honest intentions"

I later used overly ambiguous wording to answer Bill when he asked further, stating "I am obviously still of the belief that Corey has information coming to him that is not from his own invention." When I should have said simply said "Based on my experiences and with interaction with Corey, I disagree."

So he didn't actually confirm that Gonzales was fake. On the other hand, I'm not fully discounting the claim by Daniel's witness that they were there when Gonzales was invented.

[qbeac]

'Gonzales' is a fictional character. I was told that in writing by Mike Waskosky, who was (and probably still is) closely associated with the Corey Goode core group.


Hi Andrew_K, great contribution regarding Mike and Gonzales. Thanks a lot.

Bill, according to what Mike has told Andrew K, you should rectify your previous emphatic affirmation about what you thought Mike said about Gonzales.

[qbeac]

Hi everyone, this is an excellent interview of Ben Davidson by Veritas Radio about a possible polar shift and Earth cataclysm.

Ben Davidson | Space Weather, Pole Shift, Solar Minimum, & The #1 Risk to Earth [by Veritas Radio]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJZv_t6_MAU

Ben Davidson is the host of Suspicious0bservers (see link below), he is an expert in the scientific aspects of how the Sun works and how that affects the climate of the different planets in the solar system (including the Earth), as well as how all of this could cause devastating Earth cataclysms on a cyclical manner every so many thousands of years.

According to Ben, the Earth usually undergoes a major polar shift and cataclysm around every 12000 years (more or less). That means that the next one could be around the corner.

For more information on the alleged pole shift and world cataclysm:

Earth Catastrophe Cycle
https://stillnessinthestorm.com/tag/mininova/

Suspicious0bservers YouTube channel
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTiL1q9YbrVam5nP2xzFTWQ

Deep State Covers Up Pole Shift | Updates from Ben Davidson — Space Weather, Pole Shift, Solar Minimum, & The #1 Risk to Earth
02/19/2019 By Stillness in the Storm
https://stillnessinthestorm.com/2019/02/deep-state-covers-up-pole-shift-updates-from-ben-davidson-space-weather-pole-shift-solar-minimum-the-1-risk-to-earth/

[Joe Akulis]

Qbeac, do you know if anyone else is posting videos from Suspicious Observers here on Avalon? The reason I ask is, it might be a good idea to start a dedicated thread like what was done with the Dutchsinse earthquake reports thread. It's mainly just new posts each time a new video is published.

I think both of these people are producing real news, and it would be nice to start collecting each new Suspicious O report as well in a thread that we can all subscribe to. Not sure if these reports are something you pull up and check out regularly though...

[qbeac]

Qbeac, do you know if anyone else is posting videos from Suspicious Observers here on Avalon?...

Hi Joe Akulis, no, I don’t know.

But I have found another person named Douglas Vogt who has done a great deal of really good and high quality scientific research about the polar shift. And what he basically says is the following:

According to Douglas Vogt, yes, there is going to be a polar shift relatively soon (in a few years from now more or less), there is overwhelming scientific evidence about it, and the cabal (elite, shadow government) knows it but it is covering it up.

I think what the cabal (elite) is trying to do is TO AMBUSH SOCIETY with the help of the polar shift.

How? By hiding this info from the public and by keeping society very busy and very distracted with everything else (work, economical problems, social problems, conventional politics, TV, news, magazines, etc., etc., etc.) so that we don't realize what's happening, don’t prepare for it and the cataclysm catch us by surprise.

That’s what the Anglo Saxon Mission basically said.

What would be a possible SOLUTION?

If we (the people) ask for a FULL DISCLOSURE.

That should include the COMPLETE UFO-ET DISCLOSURE, because the positive ETs do have very advanced technology so that we (human beings) can overcome such a catastrophic event (polar shift and world cataclysm).

Douglas Vogt videos are EXCELLENT. A few examples:

CIA’s Greatest Secret: Pole Shift, Solar Flash, Mininova: Causes of the Ice Age and Nova (Part 1)
03/02/2019 By Stillness in the Storm Leave a Comment
https://stillnessinthestorm.com/2019/03/cias-greatest-secret-pole-shift-solar-flash-mininova-causes-of-the-ice-age-and-nova-part-1/

Causes of the Ice Age and Nova, the Greatest Secret of the United States
(1h 19min) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMr-5HHnAmU

YouTube cnannel, Douglas Vogt
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjBe55XpYzc0HzkK-8lgQtA

Diehold Foundation (de Douglas Vogt)
Web: www.dieholdfoundation.com

Amazon books by Douglas Vogt:
https://www.amazon.com/Douglas-B.-Vogt/e/B001JSDGCG/ref=dp_byline_cont_book_1