Feminism is a NWO agenda to split the families

[Neptun]

Scandinavia(Denmark/Sweden/Norway) runs the Brave New World programming or the future NWO.

It is like feminist Saudi Arabia where the men are oppressed.

The feminists in Scandinavia are pushed into power and bizarre laws are made in favor of women.

Don't misunderstand me. I'm not anti women. I love women. I'm anti NWO feminist agents.

This one is a real Swedish roadsign. The first one was rejected and replaced with a more doll one:
http://www.sinoconcept.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/gender-mainstreaming1-300x187.jpg

Both Denmark and Sweden have extreme feminists that are powergrabbing on all fronts. Now they want to have female roadsigns too.

Danish feminist powergrab:
"Women have a whole floor to themselves at Danish hotel"
http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20120101/business-news/Women-have-a-whole-floor-to-themselves-at-Danish-hotel.400570

More femi-nazi craziness from Sweden:

"Boys and girls abolished in Sweden

The category of gender was canceled at one of Swedish kindergartens. The words "boy" and "girl" are no longer used there, while pronouns "he" and "she" were replaced with "it". Kindergarten teachers believe that they are successfully breaking the gender stereotypes so that the people of two sexes would not feel predominant towards each other. Experts say, though, that such seeming equality may lead to the genetic rebirth of the population and to the decline of human civilization.

The bizarre mission is taking place in the Swedish preschool called "Egalia." In this kindergarten, pronouns 'han' (he) and 'hon' (she) were replaced with genderless 'hen'."

http://english.pravda.ru/society/stories/20-07-2011/118541-gender_equality-0/

I read in the danish newspaper a school in Denmark did not allow boys to pee standing, they had to pee like a girl.

And an insane lesbian man-hating femi-nazi polician(sorry for my political incorrect language. That is how we communicate when we get passionate) had made it possible for women to stand up and pee. It is all about domination. The manhating feminists wants to be more powerful than men and infiltrate all power structures and use government to create laws in their favor. It is the New World Order agenda.

About Brave New Denmark(The future USA programming):
http://www.rense.com/general79/brave.htm

This is how it looks like. The picture is from a danish national newspaper:
http://multimedia.jp.dk/archive/00322/OK_Pollee_h_jre_322463e.jpg

Translation of the article:
http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=da&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fjp.dk%2Findland%2Fkbh%2Farticle2713877.ece

It is not harmless at all. IT'S SOCIAL ENGINEERING!

Danish documentary on National TV about oppressed danish men getting their children take away because of false charges of incest.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1491066503772178290#docid=4575261205946850304

Feminism Was Created To Destabilize Society, Tax Women and set up the NWO - Aaron Russo
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"Feminism is the WORST thing to happen to women" (Suzanne Venker, NPR interview)
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[Arrowwind]

Social engineering is not new. It has always been there in one form or another. When a parent tells a child how to behave, that is social engineering. When a church or a business tells someone how to behave that is social engineering. When a magazine promotes a drug, a style in clothing, a fabricated look, a vacation spot, the best city to live in, the best school, the best tv shows, - that is also social engineering. When a law is made to limit a behavior that is social engineering.

[Maia Gabrial]

IMO, had there been equality for women in the first place, the world would not have fallen victim to this NWO tactic....

[Neptun]

Arrowwind

Social engineering can lead to Nazi Germany.

Wonder why we have aggressive anti smoking laws worldwide?
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[wynderer]

in the '70s there was suddenly a big 'inflation ' in prices here in the USA -- at the same time magazines & tv shows were telling women we 'could have it all ' -- we could have a husband, children , & a full time job -- so lots of women went out to work [often to make ends meet w/the 'inflation'] -- & homes began breaking up -- latchkey kids -- also the 'sexual revolution' was being promoted --

i was one who had to get a job to help make ends meet -- i did not WANT it all -- raising children right is a full time job --

[Neptun]

IMO, had there been equality for women in the first place, the world would not have fallen victim to this NWO tactic....

If women were not allowing to be fooled by NWO feministic BS, the world would not be moving towards NWO.

I talked with a guy working in the advertising industry in a gay bar(I'm hetero) and he told me"One of our primary goals in the advertising industry is to split the sexes. What we do is to promote strong self independent women and weak feminine men(metrosexuals) etc. because they will over time reject each other. The reason is that singles spend more money than couples."

Isn't that interesting that we are having fewer couples than in the past and many people are single and don't know how to be in a relationship with the other sex.

[Neptun]

in the '70s there was suddenly a big 'inflation ' in prices here in the USA -- at the same time magazines & tv shows were telling women we 'could have it all ' -- we could have a husband, children , & a full time job -- so lots of women went out to work [often to make ends meet w/the 'inflation'] -- & homes began breaking up -- latchkey kids -- also the 'sexual revolution' was being promoted --

i was one who had to get a job to help make ends meet -- i did not WANT it all -- raising children right is a full time job --
Yes isn't it strange. One man could make enough money to have a family, house and a wife at home, vehicle, holidays etc. Today it is not possible. Both parents have to work and non of them are really satisfied. They are burned out and let their children be raised by the state. That is how it is in Denmark. The children become self centered narcissistic types that are totally out of control.

It's very trendy in Denmark that women are pushed into power and the State are even considering to make it a law that there has to be a quota of how many women there are Board of directors.

Denmark also got a woman as a PM for the first time.

Divide and conquer! Hitler understood if you control the women, you control the men.

[Mare]

Interessting. At what point in history did the average man make enough money to have a family, house, wife at home, vehicle and holiday?

[Neptun]

Interessting. At what point in history did the average man make enough money to have a family, house, wife at home, vehicle and holiday?

It was common in the beginning of the 70's and past.

Women did not have to work in the past. A man could take care of the entire family on his salary alone.

I'm not saying women shouldn't work. If they want to, feel free to do so. But a man should be able to have his wife at home to raise the children, if they want to live that lifestyle.

[Mare]

It was common was it? Who for? The working classes, the middle classes, the upper classes? You really have to be less vague Neptun, I am wholly unconvinced by your argument.

[Neptun]

It was common was it? Who for? The working classes, the middle classes, the upper classes? You really have to be less vague Neptun, I am wholly unconvinced by your argument.

In Denmark most people are middle class even the working class. Denmark is pretending to be a capitalistic country but has a huge state and behaves like a socialistic country.

A family could live on a mans salary in the beginning of the 70's and past in Denmark.

It might had been different in the UK in the 70's. You had Margaret Thacher as PM in the late 70's making it hard for working and middle class.
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[wynderer]

same in the States in the '60s -'70s -- a young person could actually live on a fulltime job at minimum wage then -- & there were lots of jobs



Interessting. At what point in history did the average man make enough money to have a family, house, wife at home, vehicle and holiday?

It was common in the beginning of the 70's and past.

Women did not have to work in the past. A man could take care of the entire family on his salary alone.

I'm not saying women shouldn't work. If they want to, feel free to do so. But a man should be able to have his wife at home to raise the children, if they want to live that lifestyle.

[Maia Gabrial]

If women had been treated fairly and equally to begin with, there would have been NO PROBLEMS today. TPTW would have had NOTHING to split up families and couples with. It sounds like you want to blame women for the mess the world is in when the truth is it's always been a MAN'S world. Deny that and you're fooling yourself. Anytime a women even speaks out against anything, wants equality, or equal pay for equal work, she's a feminist - as if that's a dirty word. The real dirty word is INEQUALITY....
The treatment of women is what opened the door to this nightmare. Had there not been such an imbalance in the fairness to women, TPTW would still be trying to find a way to get their fangs into us and get the NWO going. But their plans were carefully planned in minute details, IMO they're the ones who orchestrated the rift between male and female relationships. You want to blame someone - Blame them!

IMO just as everything else is falling apart for TPTW, this will, too. Without them or their influence, our world will right itself. But make no mistake about it, as soon as one race, creed, nationality, or sex is higher than another's, then we've learned nothing from the past....

[Mare]

Ok, so is the real culprit 'capitalism' or 'feminism'?...

Why were there lots of jobs then and now there isn't? There's still lots of goods out there for sale, anything you could wish for. Cars, I-phones, x-boxes, shoes, clothes, ships, toys etc. etc. etc.

What happened guys?

[Neptun]

Maia Gabrial,

You do know the Feminist Movement was a New World Order creation right?

Please watch the 2 youtubes in the beginning of this thread.

Ok, so is the real culprit 'capitalism' or 'feminism'?...

Why were there lots of jobs then and now there isn't? There's still lots of goods out there for sale, anything you could wish for. Cars, I-phones, x-boxes, shoes, clothes, ships, toys etc. etc. etc.

What happened guys?

The entire economy is based on growth or bobbles. When the New World Order creates a bobble like the real estate bobble, people spend more money and it creates jobs and everybody are happy.

The Elite controls the entire economy and vampire the wealth out of the currencies because of their FIAT air-paper money.

Mayer Amschel Rothschild 1838: "Let me issue and control a Nation's money and I care not who makes its laws"

How economy works(fun and easy to understand):
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[wynderer]

Neptun --i was net Friends w/Philip Jones , a Rense columnist who died rather suddenly [& suspiciously, from my p.o.v. ] -- he was a Brit -- Welsh i think -- an ex-cop -- had moved to Denmark w/his Danish wife

i think Denmark is at the top in some 'happiest people' poll/survey- ?? Philip said that it was one of the most mind-controlled countries he'd seen -- he also said that Danish women were becoming very mannish in the way they dressed & looked-- i think he did an article about that


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In Denmark most people are middle class even the working class. Denmark is pretending to be a capitalistic country but has a huge state and behaves like a socialistic country.

A family could live on a mans salary in the beginning of the 70's and past in Denmark.

It might had been different in the UK in the 70's. You had Margaret Thacher as PM in the late 70's making it hard for working and middle class.
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[Mare]

Can you answer the question in your own words? Your Thatcher video was completely irrelevent to the argument as are the illustrations of swastika's, jackboots and cigarettes. I'm not prepared to spend half an hour watching another video when you should be able to answer for yourself.

Is the real culprit 'capitalism' or 'feminism'?...

[nearing]

Neptun, you are not making a good argument for yourself. The extreme inequality between men and women in the late 1800's and early 1900's started the 'feminist' movement. Women got real tired of being treated like chattel and slowly over the course of generations rose up and began fighting for equality. We are not there yet (women still earn 75% of what men do FOR THE SAME JOB) but have made great strides.

It's no good to argue that working for equality os a bad thing or an NWO agenda until we are ACTUALLY equal. IF women ever start earning more than men for the same job, then I might listen to your story.

And the whole signs with women on them thing? So? How long have we been living with men being the 'standard'? Come on.

[Neptun]

Correct. I added his article to my first post:
About Brave New Denmark(The future USA programming):
http://www.rense.com/general79/brave.htm

Denmark is as you say an extreme brainwashed country along with Norway and Sweden. Denmark is also known for having the most happy citizens on the planet, what I don't believe. When I saw a documentary about Nigeria I saw truly happy people that where happy despite they where poor.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHKLIpz9F5c

Danish people are not happy. They are cozy and feel safe and pretend to be happy. They also believe they are happy, because they think happiness is to live in a safe country, with free health care, free education, welfare and one of the worlds highest taxes and nanny state.

If I tell Danes, I can't wait to move away from this socialistic hell Denmark is, they will think I'm from another planet. "Why would you move away from Denmark. What will happen if you get ill. Who will take care of you" is the common question. They have a fear/love relationship with the state.

The danish media also have many articles about how great Denmark is and how much other countries are jealous of our system and admire it.

If you want to see New World Order in the future. Visit Denmark.

[wynderer]

that's pretty much what Philip was saying -- he said it was extremely diificult to find awake people there too -- i cried when i learned he'd died -- he was a real warrior for truth & freedom


Correct. I added his article to my first post:
About Brave New Denmark(The future USA programming):
http://www.rense.com/general79/brave.htm

Denmark is as you say an extreme brainwashed country along with Norway and Sweden. Denmark is also known for having the most happy citizens on the planet, what I don't believe. When I saw a documentary about Nigeria I saw truly happy people that where happy despite they where poor.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHKLIpz9F5c

Danish people are not happy. They are cozy and feel safe and pretend to be happy. They also believe they are happy, because they think happiness is to live in a safe country, with free health care, free education, welfare and one of the worlds highest taxes and nanny state.

If I tell Danes, I can't wait to move away from this socialistic hell Denmark is, they will think I'm from another planet. "Why would you move away from Denmark. What will happen if you get ill. Who will take care of you" is the common question. They have a fear/love relationship with the state.

The danish media also have many articles about how great Denmark is and how much other countries are jealous of our system and admire it.

If you want to see New World Order in the future. Visit Denmark.

[nearing]

Denmark is also known for having the most happy citizens on the planet, what I don't believe.

Danish people are not happy. They also believe they are happy, because they think happiness is to live in a safe country, with free health care, free education

If they believe they are happy, they are happy. YOU are the one who isn't happy. So move!

Come on over to the US, you will still pay pretty darn high taxes and you won't have any free anything. Maybe you will find happiness here in the land of the 50+ hour work and a week vacation a year and no retirement funds and no mandatory healthcare.

We will be glad to have you - misery LOVES company.

[wynderer]

equal pay for equal work -- of course

i went to the first little 'Women's Lib' thing in Philly in '69 or '70 --[Philadelphia PA for non-States folk] -- i spent some time walking around & talking to all the different women -- i walked away thinking, Why are they so angry? & why do they want men's power when women's power is so good, & so much fun?


Neptun, you are not making a good argument for yourself. The extreme inequality between men and women in the late 1800's and early 1900's started the 'feminist' movement. Women got real tired of being treated like chattel and slowly over the course of generations rose up and began fighting for equality. We are not there yet (women still earn 75% of what men do FOR THE SAME JOB) but have made great strides.

It's no good to argue that working for equality os a bad thing or an NWO agenda until we are ACTUALLY equal. IF women ever start earning more than men for the same job, then I might listen to your story.

And the whole signs with women on them thing? So? How long have we been living with men being the 'standard'? Come on.

[Neptun]

Neptun, you are not making a good argument for yourself. The extreme inequality between men and women in the late 1800's and early 1900's started the 'feminist' movement. Women got real tired of being treated like chattel and slowly over the course of generations rose up and began fighting for equality. We are not there yet (women still earn 75% of what men do FOR THE SAME JOB) but have made great strides.

It's no good to argue that working for equality os a bad thing or an NWO agenda until we are ACTUALLY equal. IF women ever start earning more than men for the same job, then I might listen to your story.

And the whole signs with women on them thing? So? How long have we been living with men being the 'standard'? Come on.

I often hear the same argument, that women earn less than men. I have never seen any proof of that claim. I do agree it would be unfair, if women get paid less for the same job only because of her gender.

If some women earn less, it is probably jobs where they have to negotiate their salary. Women are not as aggressive, as men to negotiate and that could be one of the reasons, why they don't get paid more.

You can say, it is unfair, you have to negotiate your salary and those that are more aggressive get paid more and since men are more aggressive, men get more in salary than women. Well that's how the world is for both men and woman. Those that go for it and are not afraid to tell their boss they are worth X amount of $ and if they don't get it they will quite, get higher salaries. Why can't women do the same without having backup from the State? If the state has to regulate it and make laws we ending up in socialism and the state will have to make rules and regulations and interfere with the corporate world. What happens is, the state will grow enormous and become a Danish style nanny state with one of the highest taxes, that will go to the Elite.

The Elite wants socialism and feminism. It makes the state bigger and they control the state and the state controls the people.

[nearing]

equal pay for equal work -- of course

i went to the first little 'Women's Lib' thing in Philly in '69 or '70 --[Philadelphia PA for non-States folk] -- i spent some time walking around & talking to all the different women -- i walked away thinking, Why are they so angry? & why do they want men's power when women's power is so good, & so much fun?


Neptun, you are not making a good argument for yourself. The extreme inequality between men and women in the late 1800's and early 1900's started the 'feminist' movement. Women got real tired of being treated like chattel and slowly over the course of generations rose up and began fighting for equality. We are not there yet (women still earn 75% of what men do FOR THE SAME JOB) but have made great strides.

It's no good to argue that working for equality os a bad thing or an NWO agenda until we are ACTUALLY equal. IF women ever start earning more than men for the same job, then I might listen to your story.

And the whole signs with women on them thing? So? How long have we been living with men being the 'standard'? Come on.

Sorry, not sure what you are asking, wynderer. Why do women want gender blind compensation for their hard work? You can't be asking that?

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Neptun, you are not making a good argument for yourself. The extreme inequality between men and women in the late 1800's and early 1900's started the 'feminist' movement. Women got real tired of being treated like chattel and slowly over the course of generations rose up and began fighting for equality. We are not there yet (women still earn 75% of what men do FOR THE SAME JOB) but have made great strides.

It's no good to argue that working for equality os a bad thing or an NWO agenda until we are ACTUALLY equal. IF women ever start earning more than men for the same job, then I might listen to your story.

And the whole signs with women on them thing? So? How long have we been living with men being the 'standard'? Come on.

I often hear the same argument, that women earn less than men. I have never seen any proof of that claim. I do agree it would be unfair, if women got paid less for the same low income job.

If some women earn less, it is probably jobs where they have to negotiate their salary. Women are not as aggressive, as men to negotiate and that could be one of the reasons, why they don't get paid more.

You can say, it is unfair, you have to negotiate your salary and those that are more aggressive get paid more and since men are more aggressive, men get more in salary than women. Well that's how the world is for both men and woman. Those that go for it and are not afraid to tell their boss they are worth X amount of $ and if they don't get it they will quite. If the state has to regulate it and make laws we ending up in socialism and the state will have to make rules and regulations and interfere with the corporate world. What happens is the state will grow enormous and become a Danish style nanny state with one of the highest taxes, that will go to the Elite.

The Elite wants socialism and feminism. It makes the state bigger and they control the state and the state controls the people.

I practice medicine for a living and I didn't graduate with ANY non-agressive women. Men in the same field as me make 25% more than I via our own ongoing occupation wide salary surveys.

Just because you don't see evidence doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It means you don't look for it or have access to it.

[wynderer]

i meant of course there should be equal pay for equal work -- not that i was ever that thrilled at having to go trudging off to a job day in & day out

i raised a son [till his death in '87] & a daughter -- i have come to the conclusion that it is much more difficult to be a man in this world than it is to be a woman

[nearing]

i have come to the conclusion that it is much more difficult to be a man in this world than it is to be a woman

Interesting conclusion. I respect your perspective.

[Neptun]

nearing,

I don't get it. Please clarify. How come you get 75% less in salary than men? Do you have to negotiate the salary? Who pays your salary is it clients or a hospital etc,?

[jorr lundstrom]

Why did you start this thread Neptun? Wots the purpose?

Men and women all over this planet are being boiled in

the same stew today. Are there no more important issues

than this? I just wonder.


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Jorr 2.0

[nearing]

nearing,

I don't get it. Please clarity. How come you get 75% less in salary than men? Do you have to negotiate the salary? Who pays your salery is it clients or a hospital etc,?

Negotiation depends on the work setting. I don't where I work.

Unfortunately, it's still a mindset by corporations and institutions that the 'man is the bread winner and the woman can choose to work or not'. As if her salary is for discretionary spending only. So men are offered more, period. It's just a fact here in the US. In the 60's the amount was about 60%, so we are moving ahead VERY slowly.

And just for the record, I put myself through school while working full time and raising my son ON MY OWN. We pay for school above high school here too. I will be paying my student loan debt for the rest of my life while making less than my male co-graduates. Believe me, the grass isn't always greener, in other countries or in other genders.

[wynderer]

because the differences between men & women can be a very good thing? & they are now being used by the NWO to pit the sexes against each other? & the children pay?


Why did you start this thread Neptun? Wots the purpose?

Men and women all over this planet are being boiled in

the same stew today. Are there no more important issues

than this? I just wonder.


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All is well


Jorr 2.0

[jorr lundstrom]

because the differences between men & women can be a very good thing? & they are now being used by the NWO to pit the sexes against each other? & the children pay?


Why did you start this thread Neptun? Wots the purpose?

Men and women all over this planet are being boiled in


the same stew today. Are there no more important issues

than this? I just wonder.


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All is well


Jorr 2.0


Is there anyone on Avalon who doesnt know that the elite

play the genders against each other? Already? Actually I

asked why Neptun started the thread. Anyone can

start any thread they want, I just wanted his eplanation.

I try to understand where he is coming from.


All is well


Jorr 2.0

[write4change]

The big deal began with the Victorian Era and all its obvious problems with women not being able to inherit nor work and therefore, being forced to marry someone who usually did not treat her well. Industrialization removed the absolute imperative to marry. Single women were usually poor. Industrialization produced gentlemen. The term gentlemen was expressly created for men who inheirted and did not have to work.

Finally there was no education availiable to women and no really good education. In the US the ivy leaques like Yale, Princeton, Harvard and all the big military academies did not admit women until 1976. I know I was born ten years too soon.

Feminism as a movement was supported by the Rockefeller foundation so they could tax half the population and reduce their taxes. How the elites worked was really not known to people until the internet. I have 154 semester units in history, went to Stanford and lived with a Rhodes Scholar and no one I knew ever talked about the Federal Reserve. That is what the problem is not feminism itself.

Repression of knowledge, repression of monetary decisions, and the creation of the credit report which orginially was both secret and still violates all the red lining laws and confidentiality of your personal information etc. all these are much bigger deals than feminism. Talking about it this way is just continuing the divide and conquer.

Feminism is because people like Rove and Gingrich are in power. They are my birth cohort. I can tell you they are always angry that they could not get laid when they were young and now everybody has to pay for it. It is men like that feminism targets. They are really effeminate men with mean souls.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

The World Wildlife Federation uses concepts of conservation to infiltrate third world countries and pave the way for banks that had no other way in. Does that mean that we should reject ideas of conservation and preservation of endangered species?

There are extreme elements in every point of view. It's not hard to figure out that women were encouraged to enter the workplace and now we find that most families can't survive on one income. Yeah, that's part of the plan. That does not mean that women should never have had the choice in the first place.

Maybe we never should have given them the vote in the first place, hmm? Equal status and value for women is a good thing, regardless of whether or not the NWO has leveraged it to achieve it's own ends.

[Neptun]

nearing,

I don't get it. Please clarity. How come you get 75% less in salary than men? Do you have to negotiate the salary? Who pays your salery is it clients or a hospital etc,?

Negotiation depends on the work setting. I don't where I work.

Unfortunately, it's still a mindset by corporations and institutions that the 'man is the bread winner and the woman can choose to work or not'. As if her salary is for discretionary spending only. So men are offered more, period. It's just a fact here in the US. In the 60's the amount was about 60%, so we are moving ahead VERY slowly.

And just for the record, I put myself through school while working full time and raising my son ON MY OWN. We pay for school above high school here too. I will be paying my student loan debt for the rest of my life while making less than my male co-graduates. Believe me, the grass isn't always greener, in other countries or in other genders.

It does not make any sense to me. I work with international business and have contact to CEOs.

It is not logic.

If we for a moment imagine a person is an investment for a company and they value each person as how much the person can generate profit to the company and we put a high qualified woman and a less qualified man to the equation. Does it make any sense the woman gets less in salary compared to the man?

If the company paid the woman less and she generated more profit than the man she would find another job and get a higher salary.

It is no different than supply and demand:

http://billedeupload.dk/images/Dz501.jpg

I have asked someone that has been very high level in Microsoft about if he knows about if women get lower salary than men. He owns his own company now. When he replies, I will let you know. Another one I know is awake at this time and he has his own company and does not think it makes any sense to pay women less for the same job as a man because of her gender.

It is also strange the feminists never show any solid proof. It is always the same. I can't show proof, but it doesn't mean, it is not true.

He says the same thing as me, it's a NWO agenda and to make both parents work instead of 1 and drain more value out of the economy and to let the state raise the kids and brainwash them.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

I often hear the same argument, that women earn less than men. I have never seen any proof of that claim.

Then you have your hands over your ears yelling LA LA LA LA LA.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1983185,00.html
http://www.infoplease.com/spot/equalpayact1.html
http://www.pay-equity.org/
http://www.careerbuilder.com/Article/CB-709-Getting-Ahead-Equal-Pay-for-Women-Not-Til-2050/
http://www.catalyst.org/publication/217/womens-earnings-and-income
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male%E2%80%93female_income_disparity_in_the_United_States
http://www.now.org/issues/economic/factsheet.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/06/AR2008110602982.html
http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/censusandstatistics/a/paygapgrows.htm
http://www.cluw.org/programs-payequity.html
http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2009/01/wage_gap_numbers.html
http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/11/16/the-gender-pay-gap-persists-especially-for-the-rich/
http://www.baltimoresun.com/business/bal-women-wages-pg,0,4786569.photogallery
http://www.womensmedia.com/new/Lips-Hilary-gender-wage-gap.shtml
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0193820.html

Clearly you are here to grind an axe and espouse your point of view. Right? Might I suggest you engage the fine people here in discussion rather than debate? You might find that they learn something from you about how the NWO has manipulated the equality movement and you might learn from them that there really is reason for half of the world's population to be concerned about how they are treated and valued.

[wynderer]

hey -- maybe all us gals should move to Denmark -- i think Neptun genuinely does not know that there is still a glass ceiling in many jobs for women [& for African-Americans -- & for Native Americans -- etc ] here in the States


nearing,

I don't get it. Please clarify. How come you get 75% less in salary than men? Do you have to negotiate the salary? Who pays your salary is it clients or a hospital etc,?

[Neptun]

Whiskey_Mystic,

My friend that owns a company said women are often in lower paid jobs than men. That is also what your first link says.

If women are more attracted to jobs like being a nurse or schoolteacher rather than a saleswoman, CEO or stockbroker. I do understand, why women earn less than men.

I work with international business and there are less women working in this business than men. I don't mind working with women, but they are rare in this business. They are simply not interested. They have the same chances to get into this line of work as men.

[gigha]

I feel a small musical interlude is called for ;)



Neptun, you are not making a good argument for yourself. The extreme inequality between men and women in the late 1800's and early 1900's started the 'feminist' movement. Women got real tired of being treated like chattel and slowly over the course of generations rose up and began fighting for equality. We are not there yet (women still earn 75% of what men do FOR THE SAME JOB) but have made great strides.

It's no good to argue that working for equality os a bad thing or an NWO agenda until we are ACTUALLY equal. IF women ever start earning more than men for the same job, then I might listen to your story.

And the whole signs with women on them thing? So? How long have we been living with men being the 'standard'? Come on.

I often hear the same argument, that women earn less than men. I have never seen any proof of that claim. I do agree it would be unfair, if women get paid less for the same job only because of her gender.

If some women earn less, it is probably jobs where they have to negotiate their salary. Women are not as aggressive, as men to negotiate and that could be one of the reasons, why they don't get paid more.

You can say, it is unfair, you have to negotiate your salary and those that are more aggressive get paid more and since men are more aggressive, men get more in salary than women. Well that's how the world is for both men and woman. Those that go for it and are not afraid to tell their boss they are worth X amount of $ and if they don't get it they will quite, get higher salaries. Why can't women do the same without having backup from the State? If the state has to regulate it and make laws we ending up in socialism and the state will have to make rules and regulations and interfere with the corporate world. What happens is, the state will grow enormous and become a Danish style nanny state with one of the highest taxes, that will go to the Elite.

The Elite wants socialism and feminism. It makes the state bigger and they control the state and the state controls the people.

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:ballchain:

[Neptun]

wynderer,

Good idea. There are no glass ceiling for African Americans or Native American women in Denmark if they can speak danish and are qualified.

Danish women say the same thing. They complain about men and women are not paid the same and show no proof. We got a woman PM!

It does not make any sense. Why would anyone not allow a high qualified African American or Native American woman a job, if she is better qualified than a white men? It does not make any business sense.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

I don't even know what to say to that. THOUSANDS of studies are available that compare women and men in the SAME jobs and in the SAME companies even. Do your homework. And then prove me wrong with your own reports. The evidence here is so overwhelming that if you can't see it it is because you desperately don't want to. Why that is I have no idea.

And if you really want to argue please present something other than some anecdote about your friend who owns a company. I am a fifteen year career professional and I have worked in several Fortune 500 companies. We did our own internal salary surveys as well as looked at the reports provided by the government and several major institutions regarding salary equality across gender and race for our industry as well as other major industries.

[wynderer]

I often hear the same argument, that women earn less than men. I have never seen any proof of that claim.

Then you have your hands over your ears yelling LA LA LA LA LA.


Clearly you are here to grind an axe and espouse your point of view. Right? Might I suggest you engage the fine people here in discussion rather than debate? You might find that they learn something from you about how the NWO has manipulated the equality movement and you might learn from them that there really is reason for half of the world's population to be concerned about how they are treated and valued.

i can see both points of view here -- i just watched the film 'Water' about widows in India -- & maybe i should have said that it seems to me that it is much more difficult to be a man than a woman in the western world -- this doesn't hold true for everywhere

[Neptun]

Whiskey_Mystic,

Show me a concrete example please.

There are also thousand of studies that proves we have global warming and Saddam had WMD.

Why would any sane person pay women less than men? It is illogical from a business point of view.

Is it when the company and the woman negotiate salary?

[gigha]

I just saw this thread and words escape me but thank you Whiskey Mystic for saying what I was feeling. :grouphug:


I don't even know what to say to that. THOUSANDS of studies are available that compare women and men in the SAME jobs and in the SAME companies even. Do your homework. And then prove me wrong with your own reports. The evidence here is so overwhelming that if you can't see it it is because you desperately don't want to. Why that is I have no idea.

And if you really want to argue please present something other than some anecdote about your friend who owns a company. I am a fifteen year career professional and I have worked in several Fortune 500 companies. We did our own internal salary surveys as well as looked at the reports provided by the government and several major institutions regarding salary equality across gender and race for our industry as well as other major industries.

And i might add I am watching the NHL playoffs :nhl_checking:

[wynderer]

when it's really hard to find a job, the employee doesn't have much negotiating power re salary


Whiskey_Mystic,

Show me a concrete example please.

There are also thousand of studies that proves we have global warming and Saddam had WMD.

Why would any sane person pay women less than men? It is illogical from a business point of view.

Is it when the company and the woman negotiate salary?

[jorr lundstrom]

In Sweden women and men have different sallaries, its a shame.

Even if you say its illogical. Its not a question of negotiating.

I dont know how you have it where you come from.

I still wonder wot was the purpose with this thread.


All is well


Jorr 2.0

[Neptun]

when it's really hard to find a job, the employee doesn't have much negotiating power re salary


Whiskey_Mystic,

Show me a concrete example please.

There are also thousand of studies that proves we have global warming and Saddam had WMD.

Why would any sane person pay women less than men? It is illogical from a business point of view.

Is it when the company and the woman negotiate salary?
If someone is an asset to a company, the person can get a higher salary. It is logic.

If you had to hire 10 people, wouldn't you pay them a fair salary to avoid they found another job and those that were a bigger asset for the company, would get a higher salary?

This is basic supply and demand:
http://billedeupload.dk/images/Dz501.jpg

Same happens on a baseball team. The best players get a higher salary.



In Sweden women and men have different sallaries, its a shame.

Even if you say its illogical. Its not a question of negotiating.

I dont know how you have it where you come from.

I still wonder wot was the purpose with this thread.


All is well


Jorr 2.0

If what you say is true. Can you show me evidence of it please. A case where one woman got lower salary because of her gender.

In Denmark we have strict labor laws and a Ministry of equal rights. I guess that is the same in Sweden.

[jorr lundstrom]

This is an article from 2009 from DAGENS NYHETER, the economic section.

Its the biggest newspaper in Sweden. It says womens sallaries are 93,4 %

of mens sallaries. Its in swedish,, I hope Neptun can read it as danish and

swedish is rather alike. Link below:


http://www.dn.se/ekonomi/kvinnolon-93-procent-av-manslon


And if you are so interested in truth as you state, you can Google

on "kvinnolöner" on swedish Google.


All is well


Jorr 2.0

[gigha]

Well i for one am very happy that women got the opportunity to show what they are capable of :peace:

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[NancyV]

I would hope most of us think equal pay for equal jobs is a good thing IF the woman and man are both equally qualified. It is true that men are still paid a higher salary than women in certain companies, at least in the US. If it is for the same job and they are both equally experienced and qualified for the job, then that's not right. But there is a huge difference between fairness and feminism. I agree with Neptun that feminism has been on the increase for a long time. I personally believe in fairness but I detest feminists. There are also many jobs that women can't do as well as men, just as there are professions where women are better than men.

I have observed feminists for the last 30-40 years and I've found many of them are man haters. Many of them want to feminize their sons, control their husbands and train their daughters to think they are better than men and that men are stupid, uncaring, etc. The efforts to emasculate men in the USA are well underway. I'm amazed at how many commercials deliberately make men look like silly buffoons. I think Neptun has a good point that this is one of the tools for disempowering men, over empowering women, destroying the family and pitting women against men. It benefits the NWO agenda to cause division among many groups, religions and genders. The feminist agenda is one tool that seems to be working well for them.

[Neptun]

This is an article from 2009 from DAGENS NYHETER, the economic section.

Its the biggest newspaper in Sweden. It says womens sallaries are 93,4 %

of mens sallaries. Its in swedish,, I hope Neptun can read it as danish and

swedish is rather alike. Link below:


http://www.dn.se/ekonomi/kvinnolon-93-procent-av-manslon


And if you are so interested in truth as you state, you can Google

on "kvinnolöner" on swedish Google.


All is well


Jorr 2.0
DAGENS NYHETER also says we have global warming, Saddam had weapons of mass destruction and the Arab Spring was a liberation of evil dictators.

I don't give much for these so called studies. I would like to see a real case where a woman is being paid less. It is so easy to make a study and claim CO2 is the reason why we are in the end of times.

Mainstream media is often propaganda for the NWO.

[Neptun]

I would hope most of us think equal pay for equal jobs is a good thing IF the woman and man are both equally qualified. It is true that men are still paid a higher salary than women in certain companies, at least in the US. If it is for the same job and they are both equally experienced and qualified for the job, then that's not right. But there is a huge difference between fairness and feminism. I agree with Neptun that feminism has been on the increase for a long time. I personally believe in fairness but I detest feminists. There are also many jobs that women can't do as well as men, just as there are professions where women are better than men.

I have observed feminists for the last 30-40 years and I've found many of them are man haters. Many of them want to feminize their sons, control their husbands and train their daughters to think they are better than men and that men are stupid, uncaring, etc. The efforts to emasculate men in the USA are well underway. I'm amazed at how many commercials deliberately make men look like silly buffoons. I think Neptun has a good point that this is one of the tools for disempowering men, over empowering women, destroying the family and pitting women against men. It benefits the NWO agenda to cause division among many groups, religions and genders. The feminist agenda is one tool that seems to be working well for them.

I agree with you and of course I also believe in fair salary no matter what gender the person is. Somehow I think it is fake studies that are being used to create a reason for man hating feminism.

[CdnSirian]

"It does not make any sense. Why would anyone not allow a high qualified African American or Native American woman a job, if she is better qualified than a white men? It does not make any business sense. "

It's not about business, and it's not about sense. Never was.

[Space_Ace]

Neptun made many good posts which I am "thankful" for. He explained how the wage gap is a feminist lie, as well as other lies of feminism. I am saddened that some Avalon members believe the lies of feminism and mainstream media. The feminist lie is one of the most difficult lies to educate women and manginas about. Oh well, me and millions of men have given up on women and will wait for robogirl technology. Robogirls are advanced robots that look/act 100% human and will be programmed to unconditionally love you as well as cook/clean for you.

[jorr lundstrom]

That was official figures, not Dagens Nyeters opinions.

After having read every word in the thread below and followed

this thread and more of yours, I conclude that you are not

interested in truth at all. You are only interested in being right.

When you think you know better wot is happening in Israel and

Palestine than the humans who live there, i think that says all

about wot you are interested in. And bye the way, I dont wonder

why you started this thread any longer.


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?42980-A-differen-perspective-on-the-Israel-situation


You are the first one who has qualified to my ignore-list
for a year. Congratulations.

.................................................................................................... .........

And thank you Wiskey Mystic, youre spot on.


All is well


Jorr 2.0

[CdnSirian]

Space_Ace - all working women need a Robo girl too! Dream come true!!

[CdnSirian]

Gloria Steinem at Stanford N9yrEglT84c 3 min clip

2qhO3t3ZPZ8 Full lecture. Being a single working mom I may never have time to listen to the whole thing...;)

I know a lot of happy couples. The men do house work and the women work. I have only known of one woman who earned the bread while the man stayed home and looked after the kids. She was unusually financially successful and he did not feel emasculated by raising his children.

Feminism was hijacked early on. Shame.

[Arrowwind]

In MHO feminism is much to blame for much. since the movement has marginalized men and women against each other, it is a movement that is not from the heart. Where there is no heart there will always be problems. The hatred and anger towards men and the ridicule they are often subjected to in the media etc is not of heart.
The hardness developing in women through feminism is not of heart either.

Separation and segregation never begets solidarity. The sexes use to be unified in purpose and family units were solid and a force to be contended with. One objective I think is to dissovle the acquisition of family wealth within the middle class and to make time such a valuable commodity that its only well spent when devoted to making monney, and that being for survival or perceived needs for survival. Most wealth is lost by the time old ages comes and this is a tactic I think that has been well thought out. Divorce, separation, court fees, division of property does not lend to strong families and the building of core units with political and social fortitude, those core units being family units. With their reduction in power and number, that leaves all to the politicians and corporations.

Currently all we have is the best politicians and corporations that money can buy... and that aint saying much for the sustenance of all others.

Granted, women have not been treated fairly thoughout this age, but the resolution does not come from pitting men and women against each other. There are other ways, and it always will include the opening of the heart and the development of compassion and service from one person to another

[Endity]

Its more complex then just saying its feminism. Its almost impossible short of having a really reallly good job to support a family. I think this is the real reason why alot of woman started working. People can hardly survive with 2 people working in the family as is. I def think a motherly figure should be with the children on a constant basis as they are very important, but also its very important for the father to play a real role as well. Both parents need time for the children.

[Neptun]

That was official figures, not Dagens Nyeters opinions.

After having read every word in the thread below and followed

this thread and more of yours, I conclude that you are not

interested in truth at all. You are only interested in being right.

When you think you know better wot is happening in Israel and

Palestine than the humans who live there, i think that says all

about wot you are interested in. And bye the way, I dont wonder

why you started this thread any longer.


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?42980-A-differen-perspective-on-the-Israel-situation


You are the first one who has qualified to my ignore-list
for a year. Congratulations.

.................................................................................................... .........

And thank you Wiskey Mystic, youre spot on.


All is well


Jorr 2.0

There are official figures from IPCC that claims without any doubt that global warming is real and a professor has said climate change skeptics should be treated and mainstream media backs up on global warming. Does that mean it is true?

Somehow I don't think official figures found in a mainstream propaganda media that backs up the NWO feminist agenda is the truth.

Feel free to call me names and bring Israel vs. Palestine into the debate, I don't change my mind based on that argument.

If it helps to put me on ignore and announce it to the world, then do that too, if it makes you feel better. :cool:

[Space_Ace]

Neptun made many good posts which I am "thankful" for. He explained how the wage gap is a feminist lie, as well as other lies of feminism. I am saddened that some Avalon members believe the lies of feminism and mainstream media. The feminist lie is one of the most difficult lies to educate women and manginas about. Oh well, me and millions of men have given up on women and will wait for robogirl technology. Robogirls are advanced robots that look/act 100% human and will be programmed to unconditionally love you as well as cook/clean for you.


Space_Ace - all working women need a Robo girl too! Dream come true!!

I have nothing against whatever choice women make, just please keep your hate away from us. Feminists believe lesbianism is normal, why wait for robogirls when you feminists can have each other now? Since I am not gay nor plan to "turn gay"(thought about it though), I will wait for robogirls rather than start dating men. The mass arrests of the elites might occur in a month or two and then the suppressed technology that's released will fast track all men and women with the opportunity to form relationships with humanlike robots so they won't be lonely since human women and men can't get along with each other due to the elites and their feminist minions destroying that permanently.

[Neptun]

Space_Ace

Many men in Denmark are also getting super tired of the NWO feminist movement and I made a forum poll on a danish forum and around 90% agreed it is time for a man revolution. Even my mother that was one of those that started the feminist movement in the 70's thinks it's out of control.

Feminism is not about protecting women. It is about divide and conquer, enslaving humanity, split families and put children in state controlled facilities to raise the kids and indoctrinate them.

Let's face it. Many hetero men and women do not feel attracted to each other any longer. I often hear women complain about there are no real men out there. Same with men, they can't find real feminine women and are tired of "men" with breasts.

[Space_Ace]

Space_Ace

Many men in Denmark are also getting super tired of the NWO feminist movement and I made a forum poll on a danish forum and around 90% agreed it is time for a man revolution. Even my mother that was one of those that started the feminist movement in the 70's thinks it's out of control.

Feminism is not about protecting women. It is about divide and conquer and to enslave humanity, split families and put children in state controlled facilities to raise the kids and indoctrinate them.

Yes, feminism has gotten so bad in Denmark and Sweden that most men and even a few women are awake by now. Sadly, most women and some men(manginas) elsewhere are still asleep. I can see how women don't care about men, I have asked them to speak out against feminism and they either believe in the lies or say it's not women's problem. Oh yes, feminism is starting to hurt women too, the elites don't care about men nor women. The laws of karma will come into play and women are going to fend for themselves when nearly all men give up on human women and go for robogirls because women have shown that they can not be trusted at all. Yes, we know most women are nothing more than useful idiots for the elites, but they still refused to listen to us and instead, were happy to divorce us and take us to the cleaners or file false allegations against men. I won't hate women back, I really pity them and wish them luck fending for themselves, after all, they claim to need men like a fish needs a bike.

[Neptun]

Space_Ace,

Many men are not saying no to the extreme man hating feminists and let them run the show. The moment men get tired of feminism like it is starting to happen in Denmark, men and women will again feel attracted to each other. We men are the dominant gender and we have not stepped into our power and said no for a very long time.

[christian]

Show me a concrete example please.

There are also thousand of studies that proves we have global warming and Saddam had WMD.

Why would any sane person pay women less than men? It is illogical from a business point of view.

Is it when the company and the woman negotiate salary?

Did you miss that part?



http://www.time.com/time/nation/arti...983185,00.html (http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1983185,00.html)
http://www.infoplease.com/spot/equalpayact1.html
http://www.pay-equity.org/
http://www.careerbuilder.com/Article...-Not-Til-2050/ (http://www.careerbuilder.com/Article/CB-709-Getting-Ahead-Equal-Pay-for-Women-Not-Til-2050/)
http://www.catalyst.org/publication/...ngs-and-income (http://www.catalyst.org/publication/217/womens-earnings-and-income)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male%E2..._United_States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male%E2%80%93female_income_disparity_in_the_United_States)
http://www.now.org/issues/economic/factsheet.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...110602982.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/06/AR2008110602982.html)
http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/census...aygapgrows.htm (http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/censusandstatistics/a/paygapgrows.htm)
http://www.cluw.org/programs-payequity.html
http://www.americanprogress.org/issu...p_numbers.html (http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2009/01/wage_gap_numbers.html)
http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/20...-for-the-rich/ (http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/11/16/the-gender-pay-gap-persists-especially-for-the-rich/)
http://www.baltimoresun.com/business...9.photogallery (http://www.baltimoresun.com/business/bal-women-wages-pg,0,4786569.photogallery)
http://www.womensmedia.com/new/Lips-...wage-gap.shtml (http://www.womensmedia.com/new/Lips-Hilary-gender-wage-gap.shtml)
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0193820.html

Is that enough as concrete examples?

Come on Neptun, this is like asking someone: "Show me a rabbit". Then the person shows you a rabbit and you say again: "Show me a rabbit".

[songsfortheotherkind]

We men are the dominant gender and we have not stepped into our power and said no for a very long time.

If there was a god, right about now I'd be saying 'Oh good god!' in absolute aghast amazement.

Just goes to show, evolution picks its targets.

[wynderer]

the NWO probably picked Denmark for this little experiment -- & then when some of those of you who actually live there wake up & start seeing [some have seen it all along, of course] & talk about it, you get accused of anti-feminism

the serpent is subtle & cunning indeed


Space_Ace

Many men in Denmark are also getting super tired of the NWO feminist movement and I made a forum poll on a danish forum and around 90% agreed it is time for a man revolution. Even my mother that was one of those that started the feminist movement in the 70's thinks it's out of control.

Feminism is not about protecting women. It is about divide and conquer, enslaving humanity, split families and put children in state controlled facilities to raise the kids and indoctrinate them.

Let's face it. Many hetero men and women do not feel attracted to each other any longer. I often hear women complain about there are no real men out there. Same with men, they can't find real feminine women and are tired of "men" with breasts.

[Maia Gabrial]

The category of gender was canceled at one of Swedish kindergartens. The words "boy" and "girl" are no longer used there, while pronouns "he" and "she" were replaced with "it". Kindergarten teachers believe that they are successfully breaking the gender stereotypes so that the people of two sexes would not feel predominant towards each other. Experts say, though, that such seeming equality may lead to the genetic rebirth of the population and to the decline of human civilization.

The bizarre mission is taking place in the Swedish preschool called "Egalia." In this kindergarten, pronouns 'han' (he) and 'hon' (she) were replaced with genderless 'hen'."


This thing going on in Denmark and Sweden is Stupidity On Steroids (SOS) and seems to be contagious to every other country! Taking away gender is just as insulting as being referred to as a "herd" and "sheeple". It lessens our divinity to that of animals. (Btw, it sounds just like one particular group of people who have always referred to outsiders as animals....) We are living, breathing, organic beings, not AI''s, animals or clones. IT is not right to call anyone the insult of IT. All I can say is that my body is female and WILL BE referred to as "she" or "her". Anyone saying IT to my face will get their ears blasted for it. Makes a person wonder what the heck is going on in the minds of these people to accept this kind of degradation..... It leads to many other offensive activities.... Pedophilia comes to mind....

You've got one hellacious hatred going for feminism, Neptun. Did it ever occur to you that this is the REVERSE of what women have gone through? I can see that you don't like it any better than we have.... Truly unfair, isn't it? Just makes you want to spit fire, doesn't it? Turnabout is fair play, if it brings about understanding and empathy....
I was hoping that women would bring the balance back, but that doesn't seem to be happening. And if you think about it, all of this is STILL being orchestrated by the same bunch of creeps, TPTW.... So, you can name-call and place blame all you want, it solves nothing. It causes a bigger rift, and falls right in with the NWO agenda.
Men and Women (of all ages) are hurting....
Do you think women will want things to go back to the way they were in the Dark Ages where they were considered less than nothing but broodmares..? Would that make you feel better to have women "in their places" whatever that is?
When people realize that the Creator made us EQUAL, each with their own strengths and weaknesses, complements to each other; it would only be natural to treat one another better than we have. Our healings would begin....

[wynderer]

hey, Maia -- read my last post again pls -- not trying to be insulting here , but you are being conned -- the word 'feminism' is one of those memes they use -- & pls listen to what Neptun is telling you about his country, & his people

did you read what he wrote? that his own mother was one of the founders of feminism in Denmark? & even she can see that it has gone too far --

from Philip Jones, who lived there , i picked up something kind of spooky about it around the edges





The category of gender was canceled at one of Swedish kindergartens. The words "boy" and "girl" are no longer used there, while pronouns "he" and "she" were replaced with "it". Kindergarten teachers believe that they are successfully breaking the gender stereotypes so that the people of two sexes would not feel predominant towards each other. Experts say, though, that such seeming equality may lead to the genetic rebirth of the population and to the decline of human civilization.

The bizarre mission is taking place in the Swedish preschool called "Egalia." In this kindergarten, pronouns 'han' (he) and 'hon' (she) were replaced with genderless 'hen'."


This thing going on in Denmark and Sweden is Stupidity On Steroids (SOS) and seems to be contagious to every other country! Taking away gender is just as insulting as being referred to as a "herd" and "sheeple". It lessens our divinity to that of animals. (Btw, it sounds just like one particular group of people who have always referred to outsiders as animals....) We are living, breathing, organic beings, not AI''s, animals or clones. IT is not right to call anyone the insult of IT. All I can say is that my body is female and WILL BE referred to as "she" or "her". Anyone saying IT to my face will get their ears blasted for it. Makes a person wonder what the heck is going on in the minds of these people to accept this kind of degradation..... It leads to many other offensive activities.... Pedophilia comes to mind....

You've got one hellacious hatred going for feminism, Neptun. Did it ever occur to you that this is the REVERSE of what women have gone through? I can see that you don't like it any better than we have.... Truly unfair, isn't it? Just makes you want to spit fire, doesn't it? Turnabout is fair play, if it brings about understanding and empathy....
I was hoping that women would bring the balance back, but that doesn't seem to be happening. And if you think about it, all of this is STILL being orchestrated by the same bunch of creeps, TPTW.... So, you can name-call and place blame all you want, it solves nothing. It causes a bigger rift, and falls right in with the NWO agenda.
Men and Women (of all ages) are hurting....
Do you think women will want things to go back to the way they were in the Dark Ages where they were considered less than nothing but broodmares..? Would that make you feel better to have women "in their places" whatever that is?
When people realize that the Creator made us EQUAL, each with their own strengths and weaknesses, complements to each other; it would only be natural to treat one another better than we have. Our healings would begin....

[panopticon]

Whiskey_Mystic,
Show me a concrete example please.
There are also thousand of studies that proves we have global warming and Saddam had WMD.
Why would any sane person pay women less than men? It is illogical from a business point of view.
Is it when the company and the woman negotiate salary?

G'day Neptun,

It is not uncommon for an employer to pay less. I don't remember reading anywhere that employers had to be sane. Actually many of the more successful ones are sociopaths who rose to their position of power through manipulation of workers (whether they are male or female). Look at the early history of the Rockerfeller's (start with the Ludlow Massacre (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/rockefellers/sfeature/sf_8.html) and work from there) to see how manipulation and control is exerted so as to consolidate power.

There are lots of studies on the wage disparity between Males and Females... I am at a loss that you don't know this...
This graph is from wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male%E2%80%93female_income_disparity_in_the_United_States) but if you like I can get more relevant data from the ABS, just give me your parametres.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8b/US_gender_pay_gap%2C_by_sex%2C_race-ethnicity.001.png/400px-US_gender_pay_gap%2C_by_sex%2C_race-ethnicity.001.png

For those who may be interested in the make-up of the Australian "family" an excellent study by Peter de Vaus, 'Diversity and change in Australian families: Statistical profiles', is available here:
http://www.aifs.gov.au/institute/pubs/diversity/main.html

The concept of the 'nuclear family' originated post WWI but didn't come into its own until post WWII and in particular was normalised into society via movies and later by television.
Prior to this the concept of "the family" is really dependant on which society and social stratification is being referred to.

As for the feminist movement being controlled by the NWO...
My grand mother, mother and partner fought/fight for female equality. They are not, nor never have been, pawns of anybody and I find your insinuation deeply insulting.
That being said there are extremists in every movement and the feminist one is no exception. The rise of militant feminism was always seen as a problem by the more moderates/centralists. The use of "womyn (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Womyn)" is an example of alternate spellings used so as to "throw off the yoke of patriarchal oppression". Personally I've always been uncomfortable with this but it doesn't negate that there was a need for change and without the militants that change would in all likelihood not have occurred (or still be occurring).
I do agree that in the post-patriarchal society there is a need for "men" to work out what their place is.
I have. There again I had lots of help.
Kind Regards, :yo:
Panopticon

[Maia Gabrial]

hey, Maia -- read my last post again pls -- not trying to be insulting here , but you are being conned -- the word 'feminism' is one of those memes they use -- & pls listen to what Neptun is telling you about his country, & his people

did you read what he wrote? that his own mother was one of the founders of feminism in Denmark? & even she can see that it has gone too far --

from Philip Jones, who lived there , i picked up something kind of spooky about it around the edges


Wynderer,
I stand by what I say because I believe this is the problem. Men don't like the tables turned on them! Neptun sure resents it. This is a wake up call to empathize with what women (or ANY oppressed group) have gone through over the ages. It's sad that his mama is responsible for this in his country; she's as much to blame as the NWO creeps are! Maybe she meant well, but now the results are out of control.... SOS!
You failed to understand what I said. Feminism is on the other end of duality. It's every bit as much an imbalance as having complete male domination. The pendulum swings equally in the both directions, until it stops in the middle. This is OUR lesson to bring all things into BALANCE. Can't do this when one side thinks they're better than the other and tries to dominate the other.... Again SOS!
And I read his post and was offended by what his people are going through. I'm offended on their behalf as divine beings. No one is an IT....!

[panopticon]

I would like to see a real case where a woman is being paid less.

G'day Neptun,

In relation to the above, as requested, here is one case from this year.

The case involves two employees of the Norwegian Consolate in Minneapolis United States.
Both were employed at the same time in similar capacities and with similar conditions.
This soon altered when the female was refused family health cover while the male was covered.
Then the wage disparity appeared with the male being remunerated $110,000 in comparison to her $70,000.
What was the reaction of the "boss"? The typical one:

In her lawsuit, Ewald says that Gandrud urged her to notify Norway's ambassador that the situation was resolved, or someone "would likely have to go."
Ewald said she insisted that she still deserves equal pay for equal work.
"Then he got angry," she said. "He slammed his fist on the table."
Ewald's contract with the consulate expired in September and was not renewed.
Details:
http://www.startribune.com/local/minneapolis/140979803.html
http://www.minneapolisemploymentlawattorney.com/2012/03/woman-sues-norwegian-consulate-in-minneapolis-claims-unequal-pay.shtml

In Australia the situation regards women being paid less is summed up here (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/women-paid-less-than-men-in-australia/story-e6frf7jo-1225840663167):

A landmark study... found the disparity between men's and women's wages costs the economy $92 billion a year in lost output.
But it wasn't education, experience or historical factors that kept women earning 17 per cent less than male colleagues.
The study, by the National Centre for Social and Economic Modelling, found the dominant reason for the pay gap was that employers discriminated against women for "simply being female".
The first comment below the above article is one I have heard before:

I've been working in subway restaurant for 3 and a half years, along with other 2 equally experienced girls and we get paid on average 16 dollars, I am the supervisor and trains new staff,recently a new trainee came in a, Male and in a conversation, he was just expressing how happy he is with this job and that he gets paid 18 dollars an hour... Seriously, a fully experienced FEMALE staff member with 16 dollar an hour with no penalty rates and a new bloke with 18 per hour.. can somebody explain it to me, how this is fair ?
Link to above article and comment:
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/women-paid-less-than-men-in-australia/story-e6frf7jo-1225840663167
Link to study referred to in article:
The impact of a sustained gender wage gap on the Australian economy (https://guard.canberra.edu.au/natsem/index.php?mode=download&file_id=1058).

I delivered one recent high profile example after having searched for about 2 minutes...
Kind Regards, :yo:
Panopticon

[nearing]

Thank you those of you who picked up where I left off on this thread last night. I had to get some sleep to get up for work this am. At work now - wont be able to add more until my shift is done.

Again, thanks.

Sorry Neptun, looks like you asked for evidence and you got it.

[Neptun]

When I worked in the mainstream radio business some women got better pay than me. It was not because, I was a victim of an evil feminist conspiracy BUT because their work was seen of the boss as more valuable to the radio-station than mine. If I was a woman, I could get mad and claim it was unequal salary and the radiostation should be sued. But I am a man and a realist and know I had to prove my worth before I could start threatening to quite if I didn't get more in salary.

It is no secret companies want to save money as much as possible. That is why the go to china to produce cheap plastic things. A company will however pay allot more or give bonuses to an employee, if they believe they can keep "IT"(>Swedish political correct instead of him or her) from not leaving a company.

It is basic supply and demand and salary is based on the same basic rule of economics.

Worker A is supply
Company is demand.

They want the supply as low as possible.
http://billedeupload.dk/images/Dz501.jpg

My question to you that are fooled by the NWO feminism agenda. Why is it some women work for a lower salary than they think they are worth instead of threaten the boss to quite if they don't get paid more?

Maybe because women are not risk takers as us men and they fear asking for a higher salary.

[christian]

If someone is an asset to a company, the person can get a higher salary. It is logic.

If you had to hire 10 people, wouldn't you pay them a fair salary to avoid they found another job and those that were a bigger asset for the company, would get a higher salary?

Same happens on a baseball team. The best players get a higher salary.

You said it well. An asset for the company. Not an asset for humanity.

The goal of a baseball team is to win games.
The goal of the big multinational corporations is to wreck society.

Now who would be a valuable asset to achieve that goal?

Psychopaths, who consequently handle the largest bank accounts on the planet.
Men are on average more likely to be psychopaths. (http://socyberty.com/psychology/why-there-are-more-male-than-female-psychopaths/)

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By the way, I think another reason why women earn less doing the same jobs men do, is because society is simply heavily influenced or mind-controlled by role models. Men have been leaders in politics, business, etc. since antiquity, so people on average think they are more competent and trustworthy. Check out this study from Forbes (http://www.forbes.com/2006/05/12/women-wage-gap-cx_wf_0512earningmore.html):


Customers who viewed videos featuring a black male, a white female, or a white male actor playing the role of an employee helping a customer were 19% more satisfied with the white male employee's performance and also were more satisfied with the store's cleanliness and appearance. This despite that all three actors performed identically, read the same script, and were in exactly the same location with identical camera angles and lighting. Moreover, 45 percent of the customers were women and 41 percent were non-white, indicating that even women and minority customers prefer white men. In a second study, they found that white male doctors were rated as more approachable and competent than equally-well performing women or minority doctors.

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The fact, that the Rockefellers were financing the feminism movement is well known. They did it as you said to tax the women, to get the children and to break up the family. But there's still more to it, for overall the divine feminine was not honored in society on average and although it was not Rockefeller's intention, the feminism movement is contributing to change that - just like Greenpeace helped some people to remember that protecting the environment is important. It's not just black & white.

[kcbc2010]

If women had been treated fairly and equally to begin with, there would have been NO PROBLEMS today. TPTW would have had NOTHING to split up families and couples with. It sounds like you want to blame women for the mess the world is in when the truth is it's always been a MAN'S world. Deny that and you're fooling yourself. Anytime a women even speaks out against anything, wants equality, or equal pay for equal work, she's a feminist - as if that's a dirty word. The real dirty word is INEQUALITY....
The treatment of women is what opened the door to this nightmare. Had there not been such an imbalance in the fairness to women, TPTW would still be trying to find a way to get their fangs into us and get the NWO going. But their plans were carefully planned in minute details, IMO they're the ones who orchestrated the rift between male and female relationships. You want to blame someone - Blame them!

IMO just as everything else is falling apart for TPTW, this will, too. Without them or their influence, our world will right itself. But make no mistake about it, as soon as one race, creed, nationality, or sex is higher than another's, then we've learned nothing from the past....


1) I apologize if someone else has made these points.

2) I'd argue that in someways both you and Neptun are right. In the past, the division of labor was clearer and Western society functioned differently than it does now. It wasn't until recent times that men left the home to work because a lot of them were farmers/landowners. Their wives were at home managing the house/all the tasks that needed to be done for the day. I think this discussion is forgetting that it was only a century ago when things like the vacuum/microwave/freezers were common place in a household. As with these things, the wealthier had these products first, then they started to be common among the middle class/poor. So, while working for wages was man's area, women(and children) had significant and time-consuming tasks that needed to be done around the house to make sure that people were fed and taken care of. I know that if push came to shove, then I could learn how to make my own butter/cheese, but it's a lot easier to go to the store and pick up some than make it myself. Convenience foods and huge mega-grocery stores became the norm only in the last century. That's made a woman's job a lot easier.

3) As to wages, there are some jobs where there are set salaries and it really doesn't matter if you are a man or a woman. A lot of public service jobs operate that way. It's made clear that everyone is paid the same. However, women traditionally choose lower-paying professions and take time off of work for child-rearing, which cuts into their salary.

The thing is that capitalism isn't about equality of outcome, it's about equality of opportunity.

As a woman, I look at the same facts as you do and I think, yes, it's unfair. However, isn't it wonderful that women have so many choices nowadays? We honor our mothers/grandmothers by taking advantage of those choices. Today, women dominate college campuses and are leaders in every sector of the economy. How many women are doctors? Lawyers? CEO's? Serious presidential contenders? Every one of those women make things more fair for the next generation.

4) Not all men are bad men. Not all women are good women. One isn't better than the other. However, the West tends to raise one group of people up by pushing another group down. We see this time and time again and that doesn't make anyone equal. However, it's a good way to divide people and create resentment.

5) As we often state here, the Earth is looking for balance. In a lot of ways, our society has become very masculine and we've forgotten the feminine. We need to acknowledge that and realize that women aren't doing themselves any favors by adopting the behavior of men. You only have to look at movies like "Friends w/Benefits" or "The Hook-Up" to know what I'm driving at.

6) I would be a feminist if so many of its leaders weren't focused on hating men and promoting a Leftist agenda. If it actually was about equality and accepting women's choices to be anything between an anthropologist to a zoologist, then I'd be there too. However, according to the propaganda, I'm a traitor the sisterhood because I disagree with a lot of their goals. Those kinds of statements aren't helpful and encourage disharmony and I will not be a part of that of my own choosing.

[panopticon]

G'day Neptun,



It is basic supply and demand and salary is based on the same basic rule of economics.
This is a common argument presented by those who have a purely mechanistic view of the economics of social interaction and power dynamics within society. It ignores the emotional motivation of the employer and the ability of an employer to present what ever they like. It ignores the discursive processes surrounding the interactions, ignores the cultural and social backgrounds of the individuals and places it as being only an economic proposition. Using that logic you are correct.

In the real world where people don't react according to graphs and algorithms, not so much.



My question to you that are fooled by the NWO feminism agenda. Why is it some women work for a lower salary than they think they are worth instead of threaten the boss to quite if they don't get paid more?

They quite often do quit and move elsewhere. What you may not be aware of is that in many professions it is harder for a woman to move jobs than a man.

By way of example, but not limiting the fact that women have a harder time changing employers for other reasons as well, say she is a professional woman and looking at becoming pregnant with her first child. She will often stay at a firm that she would otherwise leave (due to wages, lack of advancement prospects, conditions etc) because she might find it harder to get employed prior to maternity leave. This happened to my sister and when they found out she was pregnant they tried to over work her and get her to leave before she could go on maternity leave (this was a Government job by the way).

If a woman was working in a fast food outlet (as in the example I gave in a previous post) she may not be qualified enough to move beyond that position or there may be any number of reasons she stays on. She could be working to pay her way through University.

Once again you are simplifying a complex issue to suit your agenda.

Equal pay for equal work. Simple really.

If I was working somewhere and the bloke next to me was getting paid $30 per hour and I was on $28 I'd ask why and take it to the industry body if the boss was a bastard. Why can't/shouldn't a woman?



Maybe because women are not risk takers as us men and they fear asking for a higher salary.
If you'd bothered to read the report I posted you'd know that was one of the other reasons listed. There is a definite psychological difference between many men and women in their ability to not only stand up for their rights but also the response of those around them when they do, as stated here (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/29/AR2007072900827.html):


The traditional explanation for the gender differences that Babcock found is that men are simply more aggressive than women, perhaps because of a combination of genetics and upbringing. The solution to gender disparities, this school of thought suggests, is to train women to be more assertive and to ask for more. However, a new set of experiments by Babcock and Hannah Riley Bowles, who studies the psychology of organizations at Harvard's Kennedy School of Government, offers an entirely different explanation.

Their study, which was coauthored by Carnegie Mellon researcher Lei Lai, found that men and women get very different responses when they initiate negotiations. Although it may well be true that women often hurt themselves by not trying to negotiate, this study found that women's reluctance was based on an entirely reasonable and accurate view of how they were likely to be treated if they did. Both men and women were more likely to subtly penalize women who asked for more -- the perception was that women who asked for more were "less nice".

"What we found across all the studies is men were always less willing to work with a woman who had attempted to negotiate than with a woman who did not," Bowles said. "They always preferred to work with a woman who stayed mum. But it made no difference to the men whether a guy had chosen to negotiate or not."

All feminism really is about is women getting equal treatment both in the work place and in society at large. It is not about emasculating males or making them effeminate. Yeah there are men haters in the feminist movement, course there are. I've met them. Even had one bully busta spit on me. So what. She had her issues, they're not my issue and they're not the issues of the majority of women who just want to be treated fairly and equally.

It is about equality and fair treatment.

As has been posted, the pendulum has swung to the feminist side at the moment but after millennia of Patriarchal dominance I'm willing to leave it there for a while before I get all "Manist" and go running through the streets in my animal skins and howling to the moon (again). ;^)
Kind Regards, :yo:
Panopticon

[Neptun]

If someone is an asset to a company, the person can get a higher salary. It is logic.

If you had to hire 10 people, wouldn't you pay them a fair salary to avoid they found another job and those that were a bigger asset for the company, would get a higher salary?

Same happens on a baseball team. The best players get a higher salary.

You said it well. An asset for the company. Not an asset for humanity.

The goal of a baseball team is to win games.
The goal of the big multinational corporations is to wreck society.

Now who would be a valuable asset to achieve that goal?

Psychopaths, who consequently handle the largest bank accounts on the planet.
Men are on average more likely to be psychopaths. (http://socyberty.com/psychology/why-there-are-more-male-than-female-psychopaths/)

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By the way, I think another reason why women earn less doing the same jobs men do, is because society is simply heavily influenced or mind-controlled by role models. Men have been leaders in politics, business, etc. since antiquity, so people on average think they are more competent and trustworthy. Check out this study from Forbes (http://www.forbes.com/2006/05/12/women-wage-gap-cx_wf_0512earningmore.html):


Customers who viewed videos featuring a black male, a white female, or a white male actor playing the role of an employee helping a customer were 19% more satisfied with the white male employee's performance and also were more satisfied with the store's cleanliness and appearance. This despite that all three actors performed identically, read the same script, and were in exactly the same location with identical camera angles and lighting. Moreover, 45 percent of the customers were women and 41 percent were non-white, indicating that even women and minority customers prefer white men. In a second study, they found that white male doctors were rated as more approachable and competent than equally-well performing women or minority doctors.

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The fact, that the Rockefellers were financing the feminism movement is well known. They did it as you said to tax the women, to get the children and to break up the family. But there's still more to it, for overall the divine feminine was not honored in society on average and although it was not Rockefeller's intention, the feminism movement is contributing to change that - just like Greenpeace helped some people to remember that protecting the environment is important. It's not just black & white.

Yes I said it and will say it again. People are an asset for the company and companies are not a charity organization that has a goal to uplift humanity and make a safe secure job for people. Their agenda is to make profit and allot more profit!

If people are no value to a company, they will fire them, when they can get away with it.

They give just enough to someone to make them addicted to the job.

People are Human Resource or a more political correct term SLAVES. Yes it is called Human Resource.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_resources

It is correct most people in top of society are psychopaths. I speak with those type daily. Psychopaths are not necessarily bad or evil people. I have nice conversations with them, when we are not working. The moment we work on a business deal and we start negotiations with the other part, it can be a bit like a vehicle without oil that is being started up and is supposed to drive 1 mile. Because psychopaths often are not so good with people, if they are not the charming psychopathic politician or car-salesman type, the vehicle often brakes down and smoke and fire comes out of the engine. I'm pretty good at what I do. I am like smooth oil in the negotiation and can make them negotiate less dramatically and if someone misunderstand a word and aggressively stop the negotiation I can talk him down and ask what he really mean and think outside the box.

In business profit is what the game is about and it does not matter, if a woman or man is one of the great team players that make things happen. If women work hard and aggressively go for opportunities, they will get awarded. Remember supply and demand. A hardworking chasing great opportunities for a company is a valuable asset and a great asset is being treated well with bonuses and other goodies to keep the person addicted to be a slave instead of becoming self employed. A woman or a man is an investment for the company nothing else.

I like working with women but they don't like working with what I do so it is mostly men. No one is keeping women out of the game and the few women I have worked with did not preform or deliver any quality work. I guess they like working with something that fit their skills better?

Greenpeace is a NWO tool to bring about Global Warming theories and close down business competition and use a green spin.

[Sidney]

Interessting. At what point in history did the average man make enough money to have a family, house, wife at home, vehicle and holiday?

When I was a child in the 1960s my dad worked (middle class ), mom stayed home and we had a vacation every year. Middle 70's SHTF and mom had to get a job so we could continue the lifestyle we had, and its been down hill ever since.

[Neptun]

Interessting. At what point in history did the average man make enough money to have a family, house, wife at home, vehicle and holiday?

When I was a child in the 1960s my dad worked (middle class ), mom stayed home and we had a vacation every year. Middle 70's SHTF and mom had to get a job so we could continue the lifestyle we had, and its been down hill ever since.

Thank you for remembering the past. Today history and science is being rewritten.

[wynderer]

Neptun -- to restore your faith in women -- there's a great documentary 'Blossoms of Fire'

http://www.maureengosling.com/ramo/about/about.html

[clip]
Author Elena Poniatowska described the legendary women of Juchitán, a city in Oaxaca, Mexico, as “guardians of men, distributors of food.” Artists like Miguel Covarrubias and Frida Kahlo celebrated their beauty and intelligence. Blossoms of Fire shows them in all their brightly colored, opinionated glory as they run their own businesses, embroider their signature fiery blossoms on clothing and comment with angry humor on articles in the foreign press that flippantly and inaccurately depict them as a promiscuous matriarchy.

The people interviewed in this film share a strong work ethic and fierce independent streak rooted in Zapotec culture. These qualities have resulted not only in powerful women but also in the region’s progressive politics, manifested in their unusual tolerance of homosexuality. Veteran film editor and former Les Blank collaborator Maureen Gosling and codirector Ellen Osborne illuminate the infectious self-confidence of the Juchitecan people.
[clip]

many indigenous cultures accepted homosexuals -- i have seen male souls in female bodies & female souls in male bodies -- for them i have great respect -- a difficult path to choose to follow in this world

[Neptun]

panopticon,

The only question a man or woman should ask themselves is. How can I give a company something of value that make them want me and even give me a bigger salary? That is what it is all about. Show your talents and if it gives the company profit in the other end, then they will see you as a golden goose and will bring you the best quality corn so you keep laying these nice golden eggs to keep the shareholders happy.

If you are a good investment no matter if you are aggressive or super feminine and use all your feminine skills, then you will get paid very well. That is the rules. Stop crying and acting like a victim and get to work and show what you are worth! Be super efficient and productive and the slave-master will keep you addicted to the nice paychecks.
Serve is the key! A youtube about the power of serving others:
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If you ask me. Stop being a slave and become your own boss.

[Unified Serenity]

in the '70s there was suddenly a big 'inflation ' in prices here in the USA -- at the same time magazines & tv shows were telling women we 'could have it all ' -- we could have a husband, children , & a full time job -- so lots of women went out to work [often to make ends meet w/the 'inflation'] -- & homes began breaking up -- latchkey kids -- also the 'sexual revolution' was being promoted --

i was one who had to get a job to help make ends meet -- i did not WANT it all -- raising children right is a full time job --

This is very interesting to me. I would like to get the stats on what prices were back then, because I was too young to remember such things. I felt like we have been price manipulated to make it impossible to live as we once were able, and it was done intentionally to destroy the family, get the parents exhausted and their children instructed by strangers who had an agenda to push, and through that exhaustion the time together was not as positive. The issue as Maia pointed out would not have come up had society not been hell bent to define roles for everyone.

Some women did not want to marry or have children and yet so many career options were not available. Men were somehow encouraged to not feel a responsibility towards their wives and families and women realized they could be left with nothing after giving the most productive years of their lives dedicated to supporting their husband and raising the children only to have him dump her for a newer model and that was not acceptable.... it instilled and still instills a great deal of fear in women.

And what of the man who wants to stay home and raise children? That was and for the most part still is not acceptable to most. He is viewed as soft and ridiculed if not to his face you can see it by the looks on the faces of those whom he informs or the comments made about such men.

So, we have people threatened by anyone not going by the normal herd standards and we have to ridicule them to feel safe. Had people just been shown the respect they deserved, given the same opportunities, then we would not be in the situation which we are today, and sadly, as each generation comes up, they are wounded the most, and we suffer a population addicted to woundology.

2sZKwLoLiaI

[Sidney]

I also find it interesting that in todays society, (USA anyway), women are expected to "have it all", which incidentally translates to, go to work full time, then come home and take care of the house the kids the meals, etc, while the man goes to work, and comes home, and disappears into his man cave, or sits on his ass in front of the TV. BUT.......he doesn't like it that his wife doesn't look all put together and beautiful anymore (because she is running ragged taking care of everyone and everything) so he finds a mistress, to feed his appetite and his ego).

[Neptun]

I also find it interesting that in todays society, (USA anyway), women are expected to "have it all", which incidentally translates to, go to work full time, then come home and take care of the house the kids the meals, etc, while the man goes to work, and comes home, and disappears into his man cave, or sits on his ass in front of the TV. BUT.......he doesn't like it that his wife doesn't look all put together and beautiful anymore (because she is running ragged taking care of everyone and everything) so he finds a mistress, to feed his appetite and his ego).

In Denmark men are not that privileged. They are being treated like househusbands and when they do everything they can to please the wife and she finds them boring, she gets a lover or 2. The worst are those that get a child with a lover and get a man to raise the child.

Denmark is a Saudi Arabia for women with oppressed men.

I don't trust men using one of those in army paint to make it look more masculine. In my eyes it's a domesticated man that has allowed to cut his penis off to be less intimidating because of his gender to please the man hating femifascist.

Sorry for my danish vulgarity. That is how we communicate among fellow Danes.

http://billedeupload.dk/images/eo7mw.jpg

[Sidney]

I also find it interesting that in todays society, (USA anyway), women are expected to "have it all", which incidentally translates to, go to work full time, then come home and take care of the house the kids the meals, etc, while the man goes to work, and comes home, and disappears into his man cave, or sits on his ass in front of the TV. BUT.......he doesn't like it that his wife doesn't look all put together and beautiful anymore (because she is running ragged taking care of everyone and everything) so he finds a mistress, to feed his appetite and his ego).

In Denmark men are not that privileged. They are being treated like househusbands and when they do everything they can to please the wife and she finds them boring, she gets a lover or 2. The worst are those that get a child with a lover and get a man to raise the child.

Denmark is a Saudi Arabia for women with oppressed men.

I don't trust men using one of those in army paint to make it look more masculine. In my eyes it's a domesticated man that has allowed to cut his penis off to be less intimidating because of his gender to please the man hating femifascists.

Sorry for my danish vulgarity. That is how we communicate among fellow Danes.

http://billedeupload.dk/images/eo7mw.jpg


It is kind of ironic isn't it. I just wish men and women could find a way to share all the responsibilities equally, so that everyone is happy and fulfilled, so as to not have to leave the marriage to find pleasure. BTW, as a female, I find it quite sexy to see a man holding a baby. It (for me) translates, he loves his woman enough to be an equal partner, and that his masculinity is not threatened by doing so. But I would never expect my mate to take on the full role of parenting, as I would not only be cheating myself of the priveledge of motherhood, but cheating my children of experiencing me as well. ..........The big picture here, is that everywhere on the planet, there is such a lack of balance, that everyone is scrambling, chasing their own proverbial tail, for just a moments worth of happiness. It is very sad. I do feel that change is on the way, but it took decades(centuries) for the world to get as screwed up as it is, the fix will not come overnight.

[Kindred]

Unified Serenity... Great Video!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sZKwLoLiaI

NOW... Neptun... I strongly feel you need to move your mind Beyond the male-female Confrontational duality you seem to embrace. Recognize this illusion of division that is being Used by the 'powers' so as to keep All Of Us nipping and biting At Each Other. This illusory division simply permits them to control us. The sooner we learn to Ignore these divisions, the sooner we will dis-empower them, and empower ourselves.

Yes... our individual physicality is 'real'... that's the way it is at this density (3D). We have Agreed to manifest here, to learn specific Lessons, and/OR, to offer Lessons to others that need them. My hope is that you see this lesson that many, including yourself, seem to need. I could go on at length regarding this issue due to my experiences - I will refrain from further debate for the time being.

If you wish for additional answers, some knowledge is available in a number of my posts.

In Unity and Peace

[Arrowwind]

As long as one thinks that men and women are equal there will be confrontational duality because men and women are not equal.
They should have equal rights and freedoms but their physiology and emotional natures are different, hormones are different, physiological potentials are different. I am so sick of being told that I should be like a man and do spontaneously, and want to do all that they are inclined to do.

I wonder if they put estorgens in the water in Denmark.

[Arrowwind]

Neptun made many good posts which I am "thankful" for. He explained how the wage gap is a feminist lie, as well as other lies of feminism. I am saddened that some Avalon members believe the lies of feminism and mainstream media. The feminist lie is one of the most difficult lies to educate women and manginas about. Oh well, me and millions of men have given up on women and will wait for robogirl technology. Robogirls are advanced robots that look/act 100% human and will be programmed to unconditionally love you as well as cook/clean for you.


Space_Ace - all working women need a Robo girl too! Dream come true!!


I have nothing against whatever choice women make, just please keep your hate away from us. Feminists believe lesbianism is normal, why wait for robogirls when you feminists can have each other now? Since I am not gay nor plan to "turn gay"(thought about it though), I will wait for robogirls rather than start dating men. The mass arrests of the elites might occur in a month or two and then the suppressed technology that's released will fast track all men and women with the opportunity to form relationships with humanlike robots so they won't be lonely since human women and men can't get along with each other due to the elites and their feminist minions destroying that permanently.

yes, just get everyone robo lovers and mates. that will solve everything and no one needs to relate to anyone that is truely real.

talk about being devoid of spiritual life, for thats where all that is heading. No need to evolve in one anothers company or to have human mirrors to show us who we are. No soul to soul contact. a World where selfishness abounds

[Neptun]

starchild111

I don't mind a man being a good father and care about his child. But when he is behaving like a mom and his wife is stressed out because she works so much and children are being sacrificed because both parents feel they have to be successful and raise kids at the same time. Then I think there is unbalance.

I'm a wirdo because I don't allow to be a soft obedient man of women, that have taken the role as the dominant one.

Denmark is a brainwashed society that have turned masculinity and femininity upside down. You guys will also be brainwashed, when other countries are using the danish model.

[Neptun]

Kindred,

I am super allergic to bureaucratic controlfreaks and brainwashed feminists trying to manipulate me. Please remember NWO created the feminist movement and it was not because they cared for women. It was to create divide and conquer and split the sexes and enslave humanity.

[Neptun]

Arrowwind,

I agree with you men and women are VERY different and to say they are the same is a lie.

I'm sick and tired of women trying to be men. Because among men there is a powergame going on and the moment women pretend to be men the powergame kicks in.

Women should be feminine! That is their true power. Women that are very feminine are in a way more powerful than masculine women. Men often will treat a feminine woman with the deepest respect like she is a Princess. Masculine women miss this kind of attention and demands it instead and get angry if she doesn't get the full luxury treatment.

[Arrowwind]

What is going on in Denmark is what happens when society is cut off from the earth and a natural lifestyle and it is happening in the USA too.

When you live a rural life closely connected to the land, where you require the land to provide for you from your labors none of this prissy male stuff will be happening. Up until recently in history this is how most people have lived. Since the industiral revolution these shifts in role and consquently in sexual behavior also, have these changes been evolving. Seems to me much of Europe wants people to be contained in small residences cut off from the land, but I could be mistaken as I haven't been there... but here too, in the USA. Just go to the big cities. There is no connection to the earth except for an occassional walk through the park. Men are not challenged in their physicality and I think this reduces their personal power potential to a great degree. When a man is not needed for his physical capacities why should a woman want one?.... and what you end up with is a bunch of couch potatoes dreaming of a mans life and potential that never manefests... arm chair athletes... of which the US culture currently abounds it.... loud, beer chugging, TV sports addicted, mindless men who have never developed any capacity in the natural world... and women who control them by pushing them into further mindless material acquisitons and the stressors of debt and money making that is physically, mentally and environmentally unsound and essentially useless to growth and personal evolution. They end up living in fear, bound by superstition, and loose the capacity to truely think for themselves and hence in so doing they loose their freedom, both politically and in spirit. they become unwhitting robots of the state agenda, the NWO

Pretty harsh, eh?

Looking over the possibilities in my life I have chosen to live more like a traditional woman in philosophy and lifestyle. Hence my husband and I have a very strong marriage and strong roles to play. Between the two of us we have covered all the bases for survival, sustenance and growth. I could have learned to survivie in an apartment, held an office job, had kids without a man around, slept with sisters, and the whole 9 yards of feminism, but to me it is an aberration and not in line with sustainability, nor the creators plan for mother earth.

That one half of humanity would disavow and cast aside the other half is reflection of distruction in the progress of the human collective soul

[Neptun]

Arrowwind,

NWO uses psychologists and sublinimals, chemicals in our food, social engineering and intense brainwashing to turn men into feminine men and women into masculine women to make both genders insecure about how they should fit in society:

People have been reduced to pleasure seeking demons looking for the next entertainment fix.

This illustrates the destruction of society towards the end of the world:
qzU9OrZlKb8

We are indeed being tested on our soul!
http://billedeupload.dk/images/Vc28e.jpg

To survive, we have to be open, honest and authentic and open our hearts to divine love and speak our truth no matter what!

[Kindred]

Neptun and Arrowwind...

I offer these two items for a greater understanding about reality, and where humanity stands within that reality.

http://www.galactic.no/rune/iarga.html
http://www.galactic-server.net/rune/thaoeng.html

In Unity and Peace

[modwiz]

When we lived rural lives everybody was incredibly fit. Men did the hardest work, but women had plenty of physical work to do, as do many women in what we call third world countries. It is my guess that the average frontier woman of America could have dumped the average modern man on his ass in a second, if it came down to it. All without losing the unique energies that are gender.

[wynderer]

well said, Neptun -- as i have just learned that you also a likely Reptilian/Human hybrid who has taken your stand on the side of the Humans -- carry on the Good Fight, bro

wyn


Arrowwind,

NWO uses psychologists and sublinimals, chemicals in our food, social engineering and intense brainwashing to turn men into feminine men and women into masculine women to make both genders insecure about how they should fit in society:

People have been reduced to pleasure seeking demons looking for the next entertainment fix.

This illustrates the destruction of society towards the end of the world:
qzU9OrZlKb8

We are indeed being tested on our soul!
http://billedeupload.dk/images/Vc28e.jpg

To survive, we have to be open, honest and authentic and open our hearts to divine love and speak our truth no matter what!

[RedeZra]

all the -isms are agendas and state sponsored ideologies

and are important implementations in the dividing and conquering of the human race


am i saying humanity is at war ?

yes you got an enemy


and the State is Not on our side

[Neptun]

wynderer,

I don't know. Maybe I am. I seem to communicate very well with the reptilians and we often like each other.

Why do you think I'm a reptilian?

I know about manipulation and it irritates me to see others be fooled by it, because I know it is like inviting the vampire in and be weakened.

[wynderer]

Neptun -- because on the Rh neg thread you said you were Rh neg & that the youtube explained you pretty well

also because from your posts i can see that you are intelligent & a leader --


wynderer,

I don't know. Maybe I am. I seem to communicate very well with the reptilians and we seem to like each other.

Why do you think I'm a reptilian?

[Neptun]

wynderer,

Are you Rh - too?

Maybe you are right. That is probably why the Elite and other types are getting attracted to me?

People that I feel are reptilians can be very lovely people and even supportive of humanity. I sense there are 2 types. Those that haven't sold their soul to the dark side and those that have become parasites of the Luciferian Borg system. What is similar to both sides are they are a allot more powerful than normal people and have much stronger ambitions and goals.

I think normal people should learn to take back their powers instead of allowing to being so small and helpless. All they have to do is ask and look for answers.

If I'm a reptilian, I will be supporting humanity to the end!

[bluestflame]

yes the re-emergence of the divine feminine is not to disempower men but to restore the energetic balance in both women AND men

[wynderer]

Neptun --

The elite have been bopping in & out of my life all along

what you call normal people i call Humans -- Earth Humans sometimes -- & i am accepting all the evidence that says that i am a Reptilian/Human hybrid, as i think you are

w/your permission, i'd like to repost your post on my clones & hybrids thread

i also have taken my stand w/the Humans

wyn


wynderer,

Maybe you are right. That is probably why the Elite and other types are getting attracted to me?

People that I feel are reptilians can be very lovely people and even supportive of humanity. I sense there are 2 types. Those that haven't sold their soul to the dark side and those that have become parasites of the Luciferian Borg system. What is similar to both sides are they are a allot more powerful than normal people and have much stronger ambitions and goals.

I think normal people should learn to take back their powers instead of allowing to being so small and helpless. All they have to do is ask and look for answers.

If I'm a reptilian, I will be supporting humanity to the end!

[Neptun]

wynderer

I found a strange group that openly speaks about Illuminati, New World Order and how to do something about global warming. They are clearly on the other side and I have talked with one of them before, that told me New World Order can't be stopped and it is better to be on the winning team and make money than go down with the rest. That person asked me to be connected with a Rothschild and knows some of them.

This is what I wrote to them.

"Is the New World Order really the best solution for humanity?

Dear All,

I can see we are on the opposite side on the fence, but I believe, it's always good to have a friendly debate, because in the end we are all mirrors of each other.

As I see it, the global warming is a made up problem to justify extreme measures to be made and global green taxes to be paid to the world government. ORDO AB CHAO(Order out of chaos style)

There are technologies hidden like Free Energy that does not pollute at all and would free humanity.

As I see it. We can either serve humanity and create a paradise for everybody, or we can serve our ego and keep everybody down to feel better than others and in the end, everybody on top of the slaves by free will(sheeple) will fight amongst themselves for power and don't see they are tools by much bigger players, the same way as politicians think they are powerful, when they are controlled by the Elite and those above them.

Why not focus on peace and forgiveness and move on as a united humanity serving each other, so we can create a paradise for all!. I can forgive you guys and there are many awake that can too."

One guy liked it so far.

I love to kick in their secret doors and be kind and friendly to them.

[Neptun]

Neptun --

The elite have been bopping in & out of my life all along

what you call normal people i call Humans -- Earth Humans sometimes -- & i am accepting all the evidence that says that i am a Reptilian/Human hybrid, as i think you are

w/your permission, i'd like to repost your post on my clones & hybrids thread

i also have taken my stand w/the Humans

wyn


wynderer,

Maybe you are right. That is probably why the Elite and other types are getting attracted to me?

People that I feel are reptilians can be very lovely people and even supportive of humanity. I sense there are 2 types. Those that haven't sold their soul to the dark side and those that have become parasites of the Luciferian Borg system. What is similar to both sides are they are a allot more powerful than normal people and have much stronger ambitions and goals.

I think normal people should learn to take back their powers instead of allowing to being so small and helpless. All they have to do is ask and look for answers.

If I'm a reptilian, I will be supporting humanity to the end!

Great then we are 2 friendly maybe reptilians fighting for humanity(humans and all of us).

Do you also feel like you are in idiocracy and can't believe how weak and low intelligent most people are?

Feel free to copy/paste.

[Neptun]

yes the re-emergence of the divine feminine is not to disempower men but to restore the energetic balance in both women AND men

If women are feminine, then I don't have a problem with them. It is only if they are feminists and use victim manipulation + masculinity to grab power and dis-empower men, I get irritated.

I love feminine women. The more they are themselves in their femininity the better.

[wynderer]

Neptun --

yes, i do see how spiritually & mentally weak Humans are

i grew up in a Reptilian-controlled bio family -- very contemptuous of Humans -- we had a family after-dinner game in which we mimicked -- imitated -- & mocked just about everybody we knew

i don't think that any of them knew or know that they have Reptilian DNA -- except a bio brother who began to shapeshift in front of me once when i angered him by telling him a truth about himself -- i forced him one time to watch a David Icke-inspired music video about the Reptilians -- after, he told me, 'I know these guys ! ' --

he also told me that he looked into a mirror once when he was a boy & saw 'someone else' looking back at him [ he also has lots of money, & gets right back up on his feet after a setback-- i am poor]

i focus on all the good & beautiful things about Humans

thanks for the permission

wyn




Neptun --

The elite have been bopping in & out of my life all along

what you call normal people i call Humans -- Earth Humans sometimes -- & i am accepting all the evidence that says that i am a Reptilian/Human hybrid, as i think you are

w/your permission, i'd like to repost your post on my clones & hybrids thread

i also have taken my stand w/the Humans

wyn


wynderer,

Maybe you are right. That is probably why the Elite and other types are getting attracted to me?

People that I feel are reptilians can be very lovely people and even supportive of humanity. I sense there are 2 types. Those that haven't sold their soul to the dark side and those that have become parasites of the Luciferian Borg system. What is similar to both sides are they are a allot more powerful than normal people and have much stronger ambitions and goals.

I think normal people should learn to take back their powers instead of allowing to being so small and helpless. All they have to do is ask and look for answers.

If I'm a reptilian, I will be supporting humanity to the end!

Great then we are 2 friendly maybe reptilians fighting for humanity(humans and all of us).

Do you also feel like you are in idiocracy and can't believe how weak and low intelligent most people are?

Feel free to copy/paste.

[Space_Ace]

yes, just get everyone robo lovers and mates. that will solve everything and no one needs to relate to anyone that is truely real.

talk about being devoid of spiritual life, for thats where all that is heading. No need to evolve in one anothers company or to have human mirrors to show us who we are. No soul to soul contact. a World where selfishness abounds


It will be each individual soul's choice to choose their own relationships, be it human or robot and we must not judge them nor call them selfish. God gave us freewill and loves us whatever we do and whatever experience we choose. It is obvious from all the posts in this thread that women were brainwashed into hating men and millions of men are giving up on women. We(I don't speak for all men worldwide) don't trust women and are too afraid to form relationships with women. A robogirl would make for a perfect relationship. The man can choose how she will look and act since robots have no soul and no freewill. Women likewise can learn to enjoy their roboguys or simply form lesbian relationships with other women if they aren't interested in robots.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44532-The-misandry-bubble-since-1960s-how-it-s-men-rather-than-women-who-are-oppressed.&p=479107#post479107

Please check the misandry bubble thread and read the article. The futurist predicts the misandry bubble will burst in 2020, but it could happen this year if we see mass arrests of the elites.

[wynderer]

whatever floats your boat, dude -- not for me tho





yes, just get everyone robo lovers and mates. that will solve everything and no one needs to relate to anyone that is truely real.

talk about being devoid of spiritual life, for thats where all that is heading. No need to evolve in one anothers company or to have human mirrors to show us who we are. No soul to soul contact. a World where selfishness abounds


It will be each individual soul's choice to choose their own relationships, be it human or robot and we must not judge them nor call them selfish. God gave us freewill and loves us whatever we do and whatever experience we choose. It is obvious from all the posts in this thread that women were brainwashed into hating men and millions of men are giving up on women. We(I don't speak for all men worldwide) don't trust women and are too afraid to form relationships with women. A robogirl would make for a perfect relationship. The man can choose how she will look and act since robots have no soul and no freewill. Women likewise can learn to enjoy their roboguys or simply form lesbian relationships with other women if they aren't interested in robots.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44532-The-misandry-bubble-since-1960s-how-it-s-men-rather-than-women-who-are-oppressed.&p=479107#post479107

Please check the misandry bubble thread and read the article. The futurist predicts the misandry bubble will burst in 2020, but it could happen this year if we see mass arrests of the elites.

[Neptun]

Neptun --

yes, i do see how spiritually & mentally weak Humans are

i grew up in a Reptilian-controlled bio family -- very contemptuous of Humans -- we had a family after-dinner game in which we mimicked -- imitated -- & mocked just about everybody we knew

i don't think that any of them knew or know that they have Reptilian DNA -- except a bio brother who began to shapeshift in front of me once when i angered him by telling him a truth about himself -- i forced him one time to watch a David Icke-inspired music video about the Reptilians -- after, he told me, 'I know these guys ! ' --

he also told me that he looked into a mirror once when he was a boy & saw 'someone else' looking back at him [ he also has lots of money, & gets right back up on his feet after a setback-- i am poor]

i focus on all the good & beautiful things about Humans

thanks for the permission

wyn




Neptun --

The elite have been bopping in & out of my life all along

what you call normal people i call Humans -- Earth Humans sometimes -- & i am accepting all the evidence that says that i am a Reptilian/Human hybrid, as i think you are

w/your permission, i'd like to repost your post on my clones & hybrids thread

i also have taken my stand w/the Humans

wyn


wynderer,

Maybe you are right. That is probably why the Elite and other types are getting attracted to me?

People that I feel are reptilians can be very lovely people and even supportive of humanity. I sense there are 2 types. Those that haven't sold their soul to the dark side and those that have become parasites of the Luciferian Borg system. What is similar to both sides are they are a allot more powerful than normal people and have much stronger ambitions and goals.

I think normal people should learn to take back their powers instead of allowing to being so small and helpless. All they have to do is ask and look for answers.

If I'm a reptilian, I will be supporting humanity to the end!

Great then we are 2 friendly maybe reptilians fighting for humanity(humans and all of us).

Do you also feel like you are in idiocracy and can't believe how weak and low intelligent most people are?

Feel free to copy/paste.

Amazing story. Do you agree with me there are 2 types of reptilians. Those that are serving humanity and are in harmony with nature and have spiritual powers and the others that have been tempted to become a parasite. I think, the parasite ones are infested with a demon. I have experienced demon attack and even a possession. It changed my emotions towards strong hate and anger. If I didn't kick it out myself I would probably walk around being very hateful.

I think, it is possible to get the parasite types to shift sides.

We should explore the reptilians and bring more together that are not serving New World Order.

Have you heard of reptilians that complain about the smell of humans and they don't see time the same way and could say things like past, present and future is happening at the same time.

And it feels like the reptilian is thousand of years old and will mock humans because they are like a little ant with a short lifespan.

Maybe that is a more pure reptilian type?

[Neptun]

yes, just get everyone robo lovers and mates. that will solve everything and no one needs to relate to anyone that is truely real.

talk about being devoid of spiritual life, for thats where all that is heading. No need to evolve in one anothers company or to have human mirrors to show us who we are. No soul to soul contact. a World where selfishness abounds


It will be each individual soul's choice to choose their own relationships, be it human or robot and we must not judge them nor call them selfish. God gave us freewill and loves us whatever we do and whatever experience we choose. It is obvious from all the posts in this thread that women were brainwashed into hating men and millions of men are giving up on women. We(I don't speak for all men worldwide) don't trust women and are too afraid to form relationships with women. A robogirl would make for a perfect relationship. The man can choose how she will look and act since robots have no soul and no freewill. Women likewise can learn to enjoy their roboguys or simply form lesbian relationships with other women if they aren't interested in robots.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44532-The-misandry-bubble-since-1960s-how-it-s-men-rather-than-women-who-are-oppressed.&p=479107#post479107

Please check the misandry bubble thread and read the article. The futurist predicts the misandry bubble will burst in 2020, but it could happen this year if we see mass arrests of the elites.

You probably have some strong reasons not to trust women and you probably have huge fears of them.

I think, it is better to deal with the fear and turn the fear around, so it serves you instead of dragging you down. Why not exploring this fear and really observe it for some time to understand it better. When fear is confronted and exposed it often goes away. It is if we try to ignore it, it will grow bigger.

[Space_Ace]

You probably have some strong reasons not to trust women and you probably have huge fears of them.

I think, it is better to deal with the fear and turn the fear around, so it serves you instead of dragging you down. Why not exploring this fear and really observe it for some time to understand it better. When fear is confronted and exposed it often goes away. It is if we try to ignore it, it will grow bigger.


I have the fear of a woman stealing(with the blessings of the elite's courts) what little money I have and making false allegations against me. I have seen it happen to my online male friends. Read the misandry bubble article and you will understand. The elites turned women against men(as you know) and they also created anti-male laws that "empower" women to screw over men. I have discussed robogirls on other forums and many men agree it's a great idea that will provide lonely men with safe(no worries about false allegations), beautiful(perfect "10" in looks), loving(programmed to love), affordable(a fraction the cost of supporting a human woman), traditional(can actually cook and clean) women substitutes that look/act human. It will also ensure that those feminist who need men like a fish needs a bike get their wish and fend for themselves. Feminists will lose their power and control over men when men stop playing the game and just walk away and towards substitutes, such as robogirls.

[panopticon]

G'day Space_ace,

Buy a blow up doll, it wont talk back either (just keep a tyre repair kit "handy" :p ).
Kind Regards, :yo:
Panopticon

[panopticon]

G'day Neptun,

You have not addressed any of the points I made nor the information I supplied.
You asked for an example. I supplied one.
You asked for evidence. It was supplied in bucket loads by others and myself.


Show your talents and if it gives the company profit in the other end, then they will see you as a golden goose and will bring you the best quality corn so you keep laying these nice golden eggs to keep the shareholders happy.
On the property I steward the poultry that gets fed best are the ones for the table.
I listened to the first 5 minutes of Wilde, I am happy you have found someone you admire.


The only question a man or woman should ask themselves is. How can I give a company something of value that make them want me and even give me a bigger salary? That is what it is all about.
Spoken like a true 1%er!

What you say may apply for those who are in a Westernised Country who have legislation that backs them up and protects them.
That legislation came from the workers standing up to the 1% and saying "NO!" at the beginning of the 20th Century.
That was all so people could say "it's about supply and demand" or "getting paid more is what it's all about"?

Not everybody is in a situation where they can bargain with management. As for "become your own boss"... I am now, though that doesn't mean that I forget. I realise that the system is set up to screw the workers and have always fought for their rights. Contractors are screwed by the system just as much as employees. So from my perspective you are talking about CEO's and upper management "white collar" workers. Talking about management being good for anything ignores the ol' Union adage "crap floats to the top".

Also remember that in the third world it is about survival for women.
Try learning about the so-called "honour killings" (which are starting to appear in Western society as well) and looking at more than the financially well off who get the option to bargain:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/feb/01/honour-based-violence-deep-wide
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/apr/30/honour-killings-spreading-alarming-rate
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2115984/Is-Britains-white-honour-killing-victim-The-happy-headstrong-girl-17-love-racial-divide-tragic-end.html
http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/lawreport/2012-02-07/3815586
http://www.expatica.com/de/news/german-news/brother-admits-honour-killing--at-german-trial_224421.html

This over view of the situation in Pakistan (circa 1999) states it clearly (http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/info/ASA33/018/1999):

This report describes the different facets of the phenomenon of honour killings in Pakistan. It looks at the traditions that form the framework of such killings, particularly the commodification of women and the notion of honour. Honour killings may happen for a variety of reasons, including seeking a divorce, rape or choosing a marriage partner. The report highlights the failure of the authorities to prevent these killings by investigating and punishing the perpetrators. Both police and judges display gender bias in favour of men who have killed women or girls for alleged breaches of honour.
Go and do some research of your own.
Saying "I am part iguana" or "I was bought up by reptilians" does nothing for a position.
You could be part bloody turnip as much use as it is in an online forum format.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/33/PortraitOfAnIguana.jpg/250px-PortraitOfAnIguana.jpg

Of course there was a need to make it look like the feminist movement was created. Are you that naive or are you agenda driven? Whenever an organisation forms that brings people together it receives financing from those who want to control: the discursive process surrounding the movement; the individuals that are coming together; and the information they are using.

This doesn't make the feminist movement a tool of the corporations and oligarchs.
It makes it a potent weapon against them.

Jorr's question still stands BTW:

Why did you start this thread Neptun? Wots the purpose?
Men and women all over this planet are being boiled in
the same stew today. Are there no more important issues
than this? I just wonder.

Kind Regards, :yo:
Panopticon

[DNA]

It was common was it? Who for? The working classes, the middle classes, the upper classes? You really have to be less vague Neptun, I am wholly unconvinced by your argument.
Excellent points, the main points of this argument neglect the state of the rest of the world. Also when folks are nostalgic for the post ww 2 economic times they forget these good old days were not so golden for non whites in the world

[Rogerc]

Interessting. At what point in history did the average man make enough money to have a family, house, wife at home, vehicle and holiday?

In Australia in the 1950's

I'ma bit confused about Saudi. I don't think women have much say in the Sheikdom.

[Neptun]

You probably have some strong reasons not to trust women and you probably have huge fears of them.

I think, it is better to deal with the fear and turn the fear around, so it serves you instead of dragging you down. Why not exploring this fear and really observe it for some time to understand it better. When fear is confronted and exposed it often goes away. It is if we try to ignore it, it will grow bigger.


I have the fear of a woman stealing(with the blessings of the elite's courts) what little money I have and making false allegations against me. I have seen it happen to my online male friends. Read the misandry bubble article and you will understand. The elites turned women against men(as you know) and they also created anti-male laws that "empower" women to screw over men. I have discussed robogirls on other forums and many men agree it's a great idea that will provide lonely men with safe(no worries about false allegations), beautiful(perfect "10" in looks), loving(programmed to love), affordable(a fraction the cost of supporting a human woman), traditional(can actually cook and clean) women substitutes that look/act human. It will also ensure that those feminist who need men like a fish needs a bike get their wish and fend for themselves. Feminists will lose their power and control over men when men stop playing the game and just walk away and towards substitutes, such as robogirls.

I follow your logic and I do see it could seem like a good idea for you. But we are being challenged on our soul and imagine how it would feel like if you overcame your fear of women.

Yes it is true the system is making hostile anti-male laws. Come to Denmark and you will see an man apartheid. Same with Sweden and Norway.

As long as you don't marry or have kids you should be more or less on the safe side.

Horror story from Denmark:

n 1999, a court order prohibited the airing of a controversial documentary exposing critical flaws in the application and procedure of justice in Denmark. This was done on the grounds that one of the girls in the documentary was visible in the recordings allegedly compromising her privacy. The girl in the documentary however, was blurred out, her voice made unrecognizable and every form of personal data was removed. Still the court persisted in their prohibiting this documentary from being shown.The court, with this judgment, disregarded years of guidelines, related to privacy and the free press. The forbidden documentary "Goodbye Daddy" had utilized a hidden camera, and showed how these applications and procedures in conjunction with false accusations of incest and other forms of abuse, are often used as weaponry during disputes over visitation and custody rights.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4575261205946850304

I think you should get a woman as a friend to a start. Maybe a lesbian so you are 100% sure that she will not lure you into a relationship and then talk totally open with her about your fears. I think that is a good way to start dealing with the fears.

[wynderer]

Hi Neptun--

i posted a link to a Vigilant Citizen article about the heavy promotion of Humans as robots or as Human/robot hybrids in the massmedia directed at young people -- music videos especially-- he also goes into the 'sexbot' promotion

[link on clones & hybrids thread]

they're having fun trying all different kinds of ways to turn Humans into hive-mind /soul-less/sex-less clones

this world is getting really weird

wyn

[Neptun]

panopticon,

With all due respect. You are digging your own grave and supporting New World Order when you are allowing yourself to be manipulated by the New World Order movements.

You say I speak like a 1%. The occupy movement was funded by George Soros.
"George Soros Funds Occupy Wall Street"
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=47009

The reason is to make class-warfare and steer the revolution energies into socialism. What is wrong with Socialism you might say. Socialism is what the Elite wants. Denmark is close to the utopia socialistic New World Order brave new world system, where we have a huge nanny state, pay one of worlds highest taxes and it treated like children by the state.

The Elite lost more or less control of the movement, when they began to focus on the central banks instead of the 1%.

Feminism is also a New World Order movement to be able to tax women and make them work too so the state is in control of the children to indoctrinate them.

Listen to the words of Mr. Rockefeller about feminism:
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You are now being manipulated by 3 New World Order movements and it is affecting your thinking process, so you will support the New World Order instead of taking back your power.

I know if feels tempting to be a victim of evil men and corporations. But a victim will always be a victim and not take back your powers and become free.

Reality is a mirror of yourself and if you don't take responsibility, you will have lots of things to complain about and and feel miserable. It will only dragging your energy down and open up for parasites from another dimension to feed of your energy.

Your life, your choice.

Do you want to be a victim or stand up on your feet and take back your powers and take responsibility?

[Neptun]

Hi Neptun--

i posted a link to a Vigilant Citizen article about the heavy promotion of Humans as robots or as Human/robot hybrids in the massmedia directed at young people -- music videos especially-- he also goes into the 'sexbot' promotion

[link on clones & hybrids thread]

they're having fun trying all different kinds of ways to turn Humans into hive-mind /soul-less/sex-less clones

this world is getting really weird

wyn

Indeed. When I talk with the dark ones, they explain to me they are not seeing me(us) that are awake as the enemy and they complain about the weak humans and how they don't want to share the same earth with them.

I was told"those that survive our attack are worthy to live with us"

I believe, they see themselves as an immune-system of the host earth and it's their job to clean the earth for those self destructive beings that are not developing themselves(cancer). They manipulate those that allow to be manipulated into self destruction.

A dark Rothschild told me this:
("testers"the elite)

"The biggest question that humanity has to answer for itself is "Are we cancer or are we medicine?", and not "Where is God?" So far we share more with cancer cells, we're programmed to proliferate and destroy our host (earth). So maybe that little group of "testers" is just functioning as medicine?"

[Avocadess]

I definitely agree there are two types of Reptilians. I wrote on another thread about an ex-roommate that had 75% Reptilian DNA. I got from what he told me that he was traumatized and programmed to be a shill for the NWO. His background had been "liberal" and his entire perspective changed after his only child, a daughter, died. (It would not surprise me to learn she was killed and the trauma on him used to help program him.) I could not bear to be around him in the state he was (and in the state I was in as well in my own grief), but I don't think of even him as all bad -- even though he drove me up the wall and I felt a NEED to get away from him.

I have another friend, female, who is also probably higher-part Reptilian. In fact she is related to the mother of the first Central Bankers, born a Schnapper (though through a "poor" strain of the family, not an elite one). She is a very good person with a very good heart, but I see her struggle to get along in this world as she puts people off and does not acknowledge in herself or realize in herself why she is driving them batty. The same people she drives batty love her from time to time, because that lovable part IS there. It is hard not to forgive her the aggravations and thoughtlessness when she shows her kindness and softspokenness....

I also have a relative I believe has "significant" Reptilian DNA and I adore him. He seems to have married the best of Earth human and Reptilian within himself and as far as I can tell I am not alone in my adoration of him.

[Unified Serenity]

yes the re-emergence of the divine feminine is not to disempower men but to restore the energetic balance in both women AND men

If women are feminine, then I don't have a problem with them. It is only if they are feminists and use victim manipulation + masculinity to grab power and dis-empower men, I get irritated.

I love feminine women. The more they are themselves in their femininity the better.


I am confused by the term "Feminine". What is the meaning of that word to you? In the same vein, what is the meaning of the word masculine? What is an woman's actions that make her not feminine and what are the actions of a man that make him not masculine?

[wynderer]

Neptun --

i have a different sort of relationship w/the Reptilian in my life, being an attractive female -- i don't remember all my abductions, nor do i want to

i have my own ideas -- likely ties to memories -- of how the Reptilians perceive planet Earth -- they want to turn her into a barren sterile planet to be used as one of many such battle stations in their expanding empire

& perhaps from their p.o.v., a barren planet is more aesthetically pleasing

re 'Those that survive our attack are worthy to live w/us' -- YES! they admire & respect a good warrior /warrioress, & the use of one's mental abilities for survival

i've posted elsewhere that i can see & respect these qualities in them, also, & that they have a physical beauty of their own

& i understand that i was being honored by the invitation, respectfully & courteously offered, to join them

as the new energies increase, more & more memories of my 5D home are surfacing -- i am weary of doing battle

wyn







Hi Neptun--

i posted a link to a Vigilant Citizen article about the heavy promotion of Humans as robots or as Human/robot hybrids in the massmedia directed at young people -- music videos especially-- he also goes into the 'sexbot' promotion

[link on clones & hybrids thread]

they're having fun trying all different kinds of ways to turn Humans into hive-mind /soul-less/sex-less clones

this world is getting really weird

wyn

Indeed. When I talk with the dark ones, they explain to me they are not seeing me(us) that are awake as the enemy and they complain about the weak humans and how they don't want to share the same earth with them.

I was told"those that survive our attack are worthy to live with us"

I believe, they see themselves as an immune-system of the host earth and it's their job to clean the earth for those self destructive beings that are not developing themselves(cancer). They manipulate those that allow to be manipulated into self destruction.

A dark Rothschild told me this:
("testers"the elite)

"The biggest question that humanity has to answer for itself is "Are we cancer or are we medicine?", and not "Where is God?" So far we share more with cancer cells, we're programmed to proliferate and destroy our host (earth). So maybe that little group of "testers" is just functioning as medicine?"

[Unified Serenity]

You probably have some strong reasons not to trust women and you probably have huge fears of them.

I think, it is better to deal with the fear and turn the fear around, so it serves you instead of dragging you down. Why not exploring this fear and really observe it for some time to understand it better. When fear is confronted and exposed it often goes away. It is if we try to ignore it, it will grow bigger.


I have the fear of a woman stealing(with the blessings of the elite's courts) what little money I have and making false allegations against me. I have seen it happen to my online male friends. Read the misandry bubble article and you will understand. The elites turned women against men(as you know) and they also created anti-male laws that "empower" women to screw over men. I have discussed robogirls on other forums and many men agree it's a great idea that will provide lonely men with safe(no worries about false allegations), beautiful(perfect "10" in looks), loving(programmed to love), affordable(a fraction the cost of supporting a human woman), traditional(can actually cook and clean) women substitutes that look/act human. It will also ensure that those feminist who need men like a fish needs a bike get their wish and fend for themselves. Feminists will lose their power and control over men when men stop playing the game and just walk away and towards substitutes, such as robogirls.

Well, this sounds very much like a neandrathal pounding his very beefy chest saying "Me man, you woman. Cook woman. Clean woman. Spread your legs woman. Get me drink woman." Where is the relationship? It sounds very much to me that you are afraid of losing your power to a real woman who has a brain, desires, thoughts, and ideas of her own and would dare to express them or desire anything beyond a roof over her head, food provided for her and to be of service to you no matter her feelings. Yes, women did, do, and probably always will reject and push back from that mentality.

To me, love means caring for one another and seeking each others best all the time. I am a romantic at heart. I like a protective male image as a husband, but not a domineering one. I see a man taking a young wife as like picking a rose blossom. If that blossom actually blooms and develops it's own unique and beautiful fragrance then he has loved and cared for it, but if it is wilted and dry, dying on the vine, then he has not and that is sadly what most women do feel. There was an interesting reaction to the movie "Horse Whisperer" years ago. Women cried while watching the movie as they saw a man not break a beautiful strong spirited horse, but came to agreement with it. He nurtured that relationship and in so doing the horse was devoted to him. I think many women have felt that men approach them with the need to break them and dominate them. When a different approach would yield much sweeter fruit.

[Neptun]

yes the re-emergence of the divine feminine is not to disempower men but to restore the energetic balance in both women AND men

If women are feminine, then I don't have a problem with them. It is only if they are feminists and use victim manipulation + masculinity to grab power and dis-empower men, I get irritated.

I love feminine women. The more they are themselves in their femininity the better.


I am confused by the term "Feminine". What is the meaning of that word to you? In the same vein, what is the meaning of the word masculine? What is an woman's actions that make her not feminine and what are the actions of a man that make him not masculine?

Feminine is creative, spiritual, sensitive, multitasking, soft, playful, humble, self confidence, supportive, You know a woman where you automatically treat her like a princess without her asking for it. She is a type that make you open her door for her and protect her etc.

Masculine is more aggressive, dominate, leader type, big goals, focus, logic, self esteem, strong emotions, passion etc.

We all have feminine and masculine energies. Men with too much femininity like metrosexuals or women that are masculine like feminist are in disharmony.

[Unified Serenity]

yes the re-emergence of the divine feminine is not to disempower men but to restore the energetic balance in both women AND men

If women are feminine, then I don't have a problem with them. It is only if they are feminists and use victim manipulation + masculinity to grab power and dis-empower men, I get irritated.

I love feminine women. The more they are themselves in their femininity the better.


I am confused by the term "Feminine". What is the meaning of that word to you? In the same vein, what is the meaning of the word masculine? What is an woman's actions that make her not feminine and what are the actions of a man that make him not masculine?

Feminine is creative, spiritual, sensitive, multitasking, soft, playful, humble, self confidence, supportive, You know a woman where you automatically treat her like a princess without her asking for it. She is a type that make you open her door for her and protect her etc.

Masculine is more aggressive, dominate, leader type, big goals, focus, logic, self esteem, strong emotions, passion etc.

We all have feminine and masculine energies. Men with too much femininity like metrosexuals or women that are masculine like feminist are in disharmony.

You know, I am the complete wrong woman to be saying this crap to. I was born a very strong minded, competitive, thinking, passionate, playful, creative scorpio. I am a female. By definition of being a female I am feminine. I never liked playing house, dolls, having tea parties, wearing dresses, pretending to be a pin up doll in my mothers clothes or anything that most consider traditional girl stuff. I wore jeans, did not know I was supposed to wear a shirt until I was at least 7 yrs old, rode horses like the wind, had pet snakes, lizzards, built forts, cut down trees, chopped wood, had the best tonka trucks in the neigborhood, competed with boys all the time, was the only girl on the boy's baseball team and beat the coaches son out for second base, never lost a sport to a male in my life and I played tennis, basketball, volleyball, ran cross country, and was the secret weapon on the co-ed football team as the quarter-back. I was ungodly strong "for a girl" and thought nothing of picking up a couple hundred pounds while horse shoeing or any other activity.

Let's see, I can lay wood floors, put up sheet rock, install my own ceiling fans, change the brakes on my vehicle and do nearly anything mechanical if I have the manual. I carve wood, shoot guns from rifles, shotguns and pistols. My son cannot imagine me needing a man to do something for me, but knows equally well that I truly appreciate it when a man does open a door for me, helps me carry in the groceries, and offers to help with a project or chore. So, maybe I am not the typical girl, but I have never been able to be anyone other than who I am, and that is a loving, passionate, thinking woman who by definition is feminine, just not traditional.

[Neptun]

wynderer,

I think the reptilians have some good values like strength, power, not allowing to be dominated, understand life pushes us around and we have to learn from the experience instead of being a victim. Humans can learn allot from the reptilians.

The dark ones seem to hate the weak. In their world it is either slave or master and a slave has to be pushed around allot to get hardened and strong enough so he/she can be master one day.

It is interesting to speak with reptilians with love, caring, empathy, softness, not dominating them but not allowing to be dominated. They don't know how to handle it and they notice the power in it that overpower them without making them feel like a slave. They have a heavy amour and the softness goes right through and directly to their heart what makes them feel strong emotions.

I think they say it perfectly in their manipulation guide:
http://www.lawfulpath.com/ref/sw4qw/


The Artificial Womb
From the time a person leaves its mother's womb, its every effort is directed towards building, maintaining, and withdrawing into artificial wombs, various sorts of substitute protective devices or shells.

The objective of these artificial wombs is to provide a stable environment for both stable and unstable activity; to provide a shelter for the evolutionary processes of growth and maturity - i.e., survival; to provide security for freedom and to provide defensive protection for offensive activity.

This is equally true of both the general public and the elite. However, there is a definite difference in the way each of these classes go about the solution of problems.
The Political Structure of a Nation - Dependency
The primary reason why the individual citizens of a country create a political structure is a subconscious wish or desire to perpetuate their own dependency relationship of childhood. Simply put, they want a human god to eliminate all risk from their life, pat them on the head, kiss their bruises, put a chicken on every dinner table, clothe their bodies, tuck them into bed at night, and tell them that everything will be alright when they wake up in the morning.

This public demand is incredible, so the human god, the politician, meets incredibility with incredibility by promising the world and delivering nothing. So who is the bigger liar? the public? or the "godfather"?

This public behavior is surrender born of fear, laziness, and expediency. It is the basis of the welfare state as a strategic weapon, useful against a disgusting public.
Action/Offense
Most people want to be able to subdue and/or kill other human beings which disturb their daily lives, but they do not want to have to cope with the moral and religious issues which such an overt act on their part might raise. Therefore, they assign the dirty work to others (including their own children) so as to keep the blood off their hands. They rave about the humane treatment of animals and then sit down to a delicious hamburger from a whitewashed slaughterhouse down the street and out of sight. But even more hypocritical, they pay taxes to finance a professional association of hit men collectively called politicians, and then complain about corruption in government.
Responsibility
Again, most people want to be free to do the things (to explore, etc.) but they are afraid to fail.

The fear of failure is manifested in irresponsibility, and especially in delegating those personal responsibilities to others where success is uncertain or carries possible or created liabilities (law) which the person is not prepared to accept. They want authority (root word - "author"), but they will not accept responsibility or liability. So they hire politicians to face reality for them.
Summary
The people hire the politicians so that the people can:

obtain security without managing it.
obtain action without thinking about it.
inflict theft, injury, and death upon others without having to contemplate either life or death.
avoid responsibility for their own intentions.
obtain the benefits of reality and science without exerting themselves in the discipline of facing or learning either of these things.

They give the politicians the power to create and manage a war machine to:

provide for the survival of the nation/womb.
prevent encroachment of anything upon the nation/womb.
destroy the enemy who threatens the nation/womb.
destroy those citizens of their own country who do not conform for the sake of stability of the nation/womb.

Politicians hold many quasi-military jobs, the lowest being the police which are soldiers, the attorneys and C.P.A.s next who are spies and saboteurs (licensed), and the judges who shout orders and run the closed union military shop for whatever the market will bear. The generals are industrialists. The "presidential" level of commander-in-chief is shared by the international bankers. The people know that they have created this farce and financed it with their own taxes (consent), but they would rather knuckle under than be the hypocrite.

Thus, a nation becomes divided into two very distinct parts, a docile sub-nation [great silent majority] and a political sub-nation. The political sub-nation remains attached to the docile sub-nation, tolerates it, and leaches its substance until it grows strong enough to detach itself and then devour its parent.

[wynderer]

Unified Serenity -- you go, girl

all that you say of yourself -- these are all that will be lost in Human women if what is going on is not stopped



You know, I am the complete wrong woman to be saying this crap to. I was born a very strong minded, competitive, thinking, passionate, playful, creative scorpio. I am a female. By definition of being a female I am feminine. I never liked playing house, dolls, having tea parties, wearing dresses, pretending to be a pin up doll in my mothers clothes or anything that most consider traditional girl stuff. I wore jeans, did not know I was supposed to wear a shirt until I was at least 7 yrs old, road horses like the wind, had pet snakes, lizzards, built forts, cut down trees, chopped wood, had the best tonka trucks in the neigborhood, competed with boys all the time, was the only girl on the boy's baseball team and beat the coaches son out for second base, never lost a sport to a male in my life and I played tennis, basketball, volleyball, ran cross country, and was the secret weapon on the co-ed football team as the quarter-back. I was ungodly strong "for a girl" and thought nothing of picking up a couple hundred pounds while horse shoeing or any other activity.

Let's see, I can lay wood floors, put up sheet rock, install my own ceiling fans, change the brakes on my vehicle and do nearly anything mechanical if I have the manual. I carve wood, shoot guns from rifles, shotguns and pistols. My son cannot imagine me needing a man to do something for me, but knows equally well that I truly appreciate it when a man does open a door for me, helps me carry in the groceries, and offers to help with a project or chore. So, maybe I am not the typical girl, but I have never been able to be anyone other than who I am, and that is a loving, passionate, thinking woman who by definition is feminine, just not traditional.

[panopticon]

Feminine is creative, spiritual, sensitive, multitasking, soft, playful, humble, self confidence, supportive, You know a woman where you automatically treat her like a princess without her asking for it. She is a type that make you open her door for her and protect her etc.
Masculine is more aggressive, dominate, leader type, big goals, focus, logic, self esteem, strong emotions, passion etc.
We all have feminine and masculine energies. Men with too much femininity like metrosexuals or women that are masculine like feminist are in disharmony.

Thank you for explaining the stereotypes. Very helpful. Very limiting. Very ridiculous.

[wynderer]

i don't think these are stereotypes -- men have superior upper body strength, for one

i remember in one of Alex Collier's videos, he said specifically to the men, 'You are heroes ! ' & encouraged men to hold to that & not be beaten down




Feminine is creative, spiritual, sensitive, multitasking, soft, playful, humble, self confidence, supportive, You know a woman where you automatically treat her like a princess without her asking for it. She is a type that make you open her door for her and protect her etc.
Masculine is more aggressive, dominate, leader type, big goals, focus, logic, self esteem, strong emotions, passion etc.
We all have feminine and masculine energies. Men with too much femininity like metrosexuals or women that are masculine like feminist are in disharmony.

Thank you for explaining the stereotypes. Very helpful. Very limiting. Very ridiculous.

[Neptun]

yes the re-emergence of the divine feminine is not to disempower men but to restore the energetic balance in both women AND men

If women are feminine, then I don't have a problem with them. It is only if they are feminists and use victim manipulation + masculinity to grab power and dis-empower men, I get irritated.

I love feminine women. The more they are themselves in their femininity the better.


I am confused by the term "Feminine". What is the meaning of that word to you? In the same vein, what is the meaning of the word masculine? What is an woman's actions that make her not feminine and what are the actions of a man that make him not masculine?

Feminine is creative, spiritual, sensitive, multitasking, soft, playful, humble, self confidence, supportive, You know a woman where you automatically treat her like a princess without her asking for it. She is a type that make you open her door for her and protect her etc.

Masculine is more aggressive, dominate, leader type, big goals, focus, logic, self esteem, strong emotions, passion etc.

We all have feminine and masculine energies. Men with too much femininity like metrosexuals or women that are masculine like feminist are in disharmony.

You know, I am the complete wrong woman to be saying this crap to. I was born a very strong minded, competitive, thinking, passionate, playful, creative scorpio. I am a female. By definition of being a female I am feminine. I never liked playing house, dolls, having tea parties, wearing dresses, pretending to be a pin up doll in my mothers clothes or anything that most consider traditional girl stuff. I wore jeans, did not know I was supposed to wear a shirt until I was at least 7 yrs old, rode horses like the wind, had pet snakes, lizzards, built forts, cut down trees, chopped wood, had the best tonka trucks in the neigborhood, competed with boys all the time, was the only girl on the boy's baseball team and beat the coaches son out for second base, never lost a sport to a male in my life and I played tennis, basketball, volleyball, ran cross country, and was the secret weapon on the co-ed football team as the quarter-back. I was ungodly strong "for a girl" and thought nothing of picking up a couple hundred pounds while horse shoeing or any other activity.

Let's see, I can lay wood floors, put up sheet rock, install my own ceiling fans, change the brakes on my vehicle and do nearly anything mechanical if I have the manual. I carve wood, shoot guns from rifles, shotguns and pistols. My son cannot imagine me needing a man to do something for me, but knows equally well that I truly appreciate it when a man does open a door for me, helps me carry in the groceries, and offers to help with a project or chore. So, maybe I am not the typical girl, but I have never been able to be anyone other than who I am, and that is a loving, passionate, thinking woman who by definition is feminine, just not traditional.

Don't misunderstand me. There is nothing wrong about you or how you live. If it makes you feel happy, keep going.

Your son said it perfectly. You don't need a man.

You have lots of masculine qualities. But why do you think masculinity is better than femininity?

I don't find masculine women attractive, because I like the opposite of myself, otherwise I would feel like a gay.

You don't leave much room to be forfilled by a masculine man, because you have much of his qualities. You either have to find a metetro sexual or become a lesbian to experience the yin/yang harmony.

I'm sure most of the men you have known have not really felt like "real men". They somehow lack something and they have to be extreme masculine to make you feel like a woman and it probably makes you feel lonely and sad sometimes.

[Unified Serenity]

Men only have superior upper body strength if women don't develop themselves physically and if men do develop themselves physically it comes easier for them, but I am one of those women that I guess due to my athleticism put me in a whole different category. Most women do not put themselves into physically demanding jobs. Most women though if they wanted to could do most of the physical work that men do, but why bother when we will only be harassed by the men who feel threatened and be called unkind names for doing something we like. Hell, men still get paid more on average for doing the exact same work as women.

Oh, and here is another statistic, women own less than 1% of the land on earth. Men when out of sync spiritually take advantage of women and after enough time passed and we evolved enough societally that we decided not to be victims of male inferiority complexes, got jobs and had a means to ensure our later years would not be spent in utter poverty. It is a proven fact that when men get married their standard of living goes up and they are happier whole women's goes down. It is also true that in MOST divorce cases women end up in poverty and men do not. Not always of course, but most of the time. Men use the children as collateral to keep the woman from taking the marital assets. They threaten to sue for custody and the women not bearing the loss of her children give up everything if he will not press for custody. Some women are not good mothers and should never get custody, but most women will do all they can for their children. I am not against men and I am not a feminist. I can simply see that if people had done the right thing then the pendulum would not have swung so far our of balance.

It's just like the labor market. In the early 1900's had managers not been selfish greedy bastards then unions would not have been needed. Yet, eventually unions demanded too much and pushed to far and the businesses left, closed shop, moved to china or some other country where demands from labor were less.

A woman without a man is like a fish without a bicycle.

A man without a woman is terribly horny.


I know very sexist on my part, and I was saying it tongue in cheek. I have been blessed with knowing a handful of very blessed couples where the balance was perfect and beautiful to witness. Sadly, I think all the men I would ever be attracted to are over 75 yrs old and come from a generation where men were honorable, protective, and appreciated a loving wife who did care for them and the family.

[Neptun]

Unified Serenity,

Regarding Space_Ace and his robot woman concept.

I do understand why he feels this way. What is the core problem is because he has experienced lots of women that kicked him down and made him feel overpowered. We men really hate that more than death. So I understand he feels the manipulative women are a threat to him and his selfworth.

A real woman would support him and not kick him in his mentally balls all the time.

Women are often stronger than men mentally and women that are insecure about themselves can be very attacking mentally that would be equal to a guy beating a woman because he can and to blow off some steam.

It is mental violence! And the only crisis-center we men have is the local bar.

[panopticon]

G'day Neptun,

Again I would point out you:

Asked for examples. We supplied them. You never commented.
Asked for information. It was supplied. You never commented.

So you run down a Century and a half of female struggle for equality because you appear scared of strong women taking over and your vision of how women are "supposed" to behave (which appears to be subservient to male domination) is challenged by them. Reminds me of the old Christian ("spare rib") rhetoric.

You are correct I shouldn't have used the "pop" terminology of "1%ers" as it is probably more like "0.0001%ers" (ie 7000 persons [meaning legal trade worthy entities not real living breathing individuals]).
What I should have done was said "oligarchs and corporation run by psychopaths and interest groups bent on centralisation of Money, Control and Power in their hands".

But that would have only been a part of the picture now wouldn't it.
There are multiple layers and your little vendetta against the feminist movement really seems more based on a particular agenda then anything approaching a debatable position.

Again, you have not addressed anything I've said or any of the information I, or anyone else who doesn't agree with your position, supplied other than to post a few Youtube videos, talk about iguana's and spout some [almost quaint] anti-feminist rhetoric.
Kind Regards, :yo:
Panopticon

[Unified Serenity]

yes the re-emergence of the divine feminine is not to disempower men but to restore the energetic balance in both women AND men

If women are feminine, then I don't have a problem with them. It is only if they are feminists and use victim manipulation + masculinity to grab power and dis-empower men, I get irritated.

I love feminine women. The more they are themselves in their femininity the better.


I am confused by the term "Feminine". What is the meaning of that word to you? In the same vein, what is the meaning of the word masculine? What is an woman's actions that make her not feminine and what are the actions of a man that make him not masculine?

Feminine is creative, spiritual, sensitive, multitasking, soft, playful, humble, self confidence, supportive, You know a woman where you automatically treat her like a princess without her asking for it. She is a type that make you open her door for her and protect her etc.

Masculine is more aggressive, dominate, leader type, big goals, focus, logic, self esteem, strong emotions, passion etc.

We all have feminine and masculine energies. Men with too much femininity like metrosexuals or women that are masculine like feminist are in disharmony.

You know, I am the complete wrong woman to be saying this crap to. I was born a very strong minded, competitive, thinking, passionate, playful, creative scorpio. I am a female. By definition of being a female I am feminine. I never liked playing house, dolls, having tea parties, wearing dresses, pretending to be a pin up doll in my mothers clothes or anything that most consider traditional girl stuff. I wore jeans, did not know I was supposed to wear a shirt until I was at least 7 yrs old, rode horses like the wind, had pet snakes, lizzards, built forts, cut down trees, chopped wood, had the best tonka trucks in the neigborhood, competed with boys all the time, was the only girl on the boy's baseball team and beat the coaches son out for second base, never lost a sport to a male in my life and I played tennis, basketball, volleyball, ran cross country, and was the secret weapon on the co-ed football team as the quarter-back. I was ungodly strong "for a girl" and thought nothing of picking up a couple hundred pounds while horse shoeing or any other activity.

Let's see, I can lay wood floors, put up sheet rock, install my own ceiling fans, change the brakes on my vehicle and do nearly anything mechanical if I have the manual. I carve wood, shoot guns from rifles, shotguns and pistols. My son cannot imagine me needing a man to do something for me, but knows equally well that I truly appreciate it when a man does open a door for me, helps me carry in the groceries, and offers to help with a project or chore. So, maybe I am not the typical girl, but I have never been able to be anyone other than who I am, and that is a loving, passionate, thinking woman who by definition is feminine, just not traditional.

Don't misunderstand me. There is nothing wrong about you or how you live. If it makes you feel happy, keep going.

Your son said it perfectly. You don't need a man.

You have lots of masculine qualities. But why do you think masculinity is better than femininity?

I don't find masculine women attractive, because I like the opposite of myself, otherwise I would feel like a gay.

You don't leave much room to be forfilled by a masculine man, because you have much of his qualities. You either have to find a metetro sexual or become a lesbian to experience the yin/yang harmony.

I'm sure most of the men you have known have not really felt like "real men". They somehow lack something and they have to be extreme masculine to make you feel like a woman and it probably makes you feel lonely and sad sometimes.

Why do you think I think masculine is better? I am who I am. I am not masculine. The point is the stereotypes you keep talking about limit each human from being just who they are. Some men find total happiness in "feminine" roles, and I find it sad they are rejected by society and treated like lepers. Of course they have issues. Most men I have known have had real self confidence issues. Nothing attracts me more to a man than one who knows who he is, can take care of himself, and is not intimidated by me. There is no macho "I'll show you bitch who is stronger" attitude. It's not about strength to me. It's about true self confidence and not needing a mommy to take care of them. I have been with both men and women. I divorced my husband because he could not handle my strength and tried to break me and control me. In therapy, the counselor with over 20,000 hours experience said she had never met a more controlling man in her life and could not fathom how I had survived and not gotten on anti-depressants. I told her that I simply never bought into his crap, and I still don't.

Yes, I tend to intimidate men, but that's not my problem. I gave up on men, and I am with a woman now. There is no "yin/yang" energy issue. I simply accept her as she is, and no, she is not overly girly as you like to stereotype women. She is more androgynous if you need a label. I simply like her company, and we laugh a lot. I get to live with my best friend, share life with her, and hopefully grow very old together.

[Neptun]

Unified Serenity,

I think you and Space Ace are extremely scared of the opposite sex.

Space Ace wants to avoid women or get a robot woman and you have overpowered men by being super masculine so there is no room for a man to hurt you in any way and overcome the sex and intimacy need by living with a woman.

Both of you have a choice. Will you allow your fear of the opposite sex control your life or will you face the fear?

First step is to accept you are afraid and then explore the fear and really look at it from all sides and overcome the fear one baby step at the time.

We all have our fears to overcome. I think that is one of the challenges of life.

Say this to yourself as a mantra: I will face my fears and not lie to myself.

[panopticon]

I simply accept her as she is, and no, she is not overly girly as you like to stereotype women. She is more androgynous if you need a label. I simply like her company, and we laugh a lot. I get to live with my best friend, share life with her, and hopefully grow very old together.

Good for you US. Good for you.
A relationship is about relating and being happy with each other. Laughter is always a great sign.
We might have our differences now and again but I truly am happy for you.
Congratulations. :whoo::clap2:
Panopticon :kiss:

[Neptun]

panopticon,

You keep saying I didn't answer you. I did.

The moment you are ready to face your fears and want to take responsibility instead of blaming evil men and corporations, then we can continue.

But you are with all due respect, very good at bombardment others and keep repeating the same lie you believe yourself why you and women are victims. It is easier to feel like a victim than to take responsibility.

I don't care if you wish to continue to be a victim. It is your life not mine. The only one that is suffering is you.

Victim or freedom?

[Neptun]

I am a type that see right through people, so if you like to lie to yourself and not face the core problems, then I'm not the right one to communicate with.

[Unified Serenity]

Unified Serenity,

I think you and Space Ace are extremely scared of the opposite sex.

Space Ace wants to avoid women or get a robot woman and you have overpowered men by being super masculine so there is no room for a man to hurt you in any way and overcome the sex and intimacy need by living with a woman.

Both of you have a choice. Will you allow your fear of the opposite sex control your life or will you face the fear?

First step is to accept you are afraid and then explore the fear and really look at it from all sides and overcome the fear one baby step at the time.

We all have our fears to overcome. I think that is one of the challenges of life.

Say this to yourself as a mantra: I will face my fears and not lie to myself.

So, you think you know I am afraid of men? I am not afraid of men persay. I am not willing to have a man control me, dictate how I should be, what I should do, and make my life hell walking on eggshells hoping for his approval. I told you the kind of men I like and am attracted to. Unfortunately, they all seem to be from a different generation. I have never met one of my generation that I felt was truly comfortable enough with himself and didn't want to control me and use me for HIS needs. I think most men today are grown up irresponsible little boys. I find it pretty funny that you think I am lying to myself when I am one of the most self honest people you will come across. I know my weaknesses and faults very well and have commented on them on this forum in the past.

Men and women are in a designed sexist struggle today, and unless and until men start treating women as equals it is not going to change. We don't all have to fit into stereotypical roles, that is my main point. I once read a great piece on how an indian tribe did not have an issue with a male who wanted to do the more female traditional jobs in the tribe. They did not treat him as less than a man or make fun of him. He liked caring for the children, making pottery, weaving the loom etc.. For some reason people are very threatened by others who do not fit into their paradigm of proper roles. How could I have had any problems with males as a little child? I was who I was. I gravitated to the activities I liked. I liked the traditional "boy" games and activities. Nothing bored me more than to be stuck with a bunch of girls yakking and playing house. I think I would have rather had bamboo shoved up my nails.

[Neptun]

Unified Serenity,

It takes 2 to a tango. The moment you allow a man to be a man, then he will live up to it.

Same thing with when we men treat women like real women, they will treat us like real men back.

The biggest question is. Do you expect the mirror to change before you will change or do you change first?

[Unified Serenity]

Unified Serenity,

It takes 2 to a tango. The moment you allow a man to be a man, then he will live up to it.

Same thing with when we men treat women like real women, they will treat us like real men back.

The biggest question is. Do you expect the mirror to change before you will change or do you change first?

Cute cliche's don't make you right Neptun. I think your whole thread has the feel of "Troll" to it. I am going to go about my normal forum business, and leave you to your soap box. You and whomever wants to kvetch about the issues of men and women can have at it without me. You see me through very jaded glasses, and there is no way I can affect your chosen social views.

[wynderer]

Hi Unified Serenity -- my bad -- i really didn't read all your post i commented on --just the end about passionate etc

on full reading -- & pls take all i say in the spirit of this is just what i have seen & experienced in my life -- i thought that your feeling that you have to be self-reliant & do all those hard-working things -- & i know that great feeling of having an in-shape body & all the enrgy it gives one --

it just seemed to me that this is part of the imbalance going on, & you have made the best of it

& i know that about women controlling so little of the wealth -- but there are far far worse things going on this planet at this time -- also i personally do not want wealth -- it comes at the expense of others in this world

i have known quite a few men in my time -- & have been in some 'relationships' [ they used to be called 'love affairs'] in which the men were very abusive to me -- sickness on both our sides -- but for the most part i have seen the best of men, & i like them

during the hey-day of feminism here in the States, i kept to myself my feelings & thoughts that i LIKED having a man take care of me & do all the hard work -- & they like doing that [the good ones ] -- a kind of win-win situation

it was not a good day for my marriage [since ended] when 'economics' forced me out into the workplace -- other women seemed to really get into it tho

in one of my posts here i mentioned going to the first Women's Lib gathering in Philly , when i came away wondering, 'Why do they want men's power?' -- i was in my early 20s & just learning about the gifts of spirituality unique to women

just my thoughts

wyn






Men only have superior upper body strength if women don't develop themselves physically and if men do develop themselves physically it comes easier for them, but I am one of those women that I guess due to my athleticism put me in a whole different category. Most women do not put themselves into physically demanding jobs. Most women though if they wanted to could do most of the physical work that men do, but why bother when we will only be harassed by the men who feel threatened and be called unkind names for doing something we like. Hell, men still get paid more on average for doing the exact same work as women.

Oh, and here is another statistic, women own less than 1% of the land on earth. Men when out of sync spiritually take advantage of women and after enough time passed and we evolved enough societally that we decided not to be victims of male inferiority complexes, got jobs and had a means to ensure our later years would not be spent in utter poverty. It is a proven fact that when men get married their standard of living goes up and they are happier whole women's goes down. It is also true that in MOST divorce cases women end up in poverty and men do not. Not always of course, but most of the time. Men use the children as collateral to keep the woman from taking the marital assets. They threaten to sue for custody and the women not bearing the loss of her children give up everything if he will not press for custody. Some women are not good mothers and should never get custody, but most women will do all they can for their children. I am not against men and I am not a feminist. I can simply see that if people had done the right thing then the pendulum would not have swung so far our of balance.

It's just like the labor market. In the early 1900's had managers not been selfish greedy bastards then unions would not have been needed. Yet, eventually unions demanded too much and pushed to far and the businesses left, closed shop, moved to china or some other country where demands from labor were less.

A woman without a man is like a fish without a bicycle.

A man without a woman is terribly horny.


I know very sexist on my part, and I was saying it tongue in cheek. I have been blessed with knowing a handful of very blessed couples where the balance was perfect and beautiful to witness. Sadly, I think all the men I would ever be attracted to are over 75 yrs old and come from a generation where men were honorable, protective, and appreciated a loving wife who did care for them and the family.

[panopticon]

panopticon,
You keep saying I didn't answer you. I did.
The moment you are ready to face your fears and want to take responsibility instead of blaming evil men and corporations, then we can continue.
But you are with all due respect, very good at bombardment others and keep repeating the same lie you believe yourself why you and women are victims. It is easier to feel like a victim than to take responsibility.
I don't care if you wish to continue to be a victim. It is your life not mine. The only one that is suffering is you.
Victim or freedom?

I am sorry Neptun. I didn't see your response.
Can you direct me to it so I can see please.
I'm not sure where it is.
Again, deepest apologies.

BTW it isn't bombardment when the information is relevant and supporting a position.
That is called evidence.
You ask questions and wanted evidence/example, I gave it, you seem to not like it. Simple.

Oh and I never said I was a victim. You are sorely mistaken there me ol' salt.
My partner laughed so hard when she heard that I thought she was going to pass out. :cool:
Kind Regards, :yo:
Panopticon

[sdv]

I have been around for a few decades and more and have found that my ex was most attractive and desirable to me when he was feeling good about being a man, and vice versa.
I have been through the feminism battle for equal pay and promotion opportunities and belonged to an organisation (women only) to promote that in my industry (we won).
So somehow I managed to walk the line of fighting for and achieving equal rights for women at work and at the same time appreciating seeing my man strut his stuff as a man (shoulders back, head held high and a bit of a swagger in his step as he walked past my office always meant that he had just achieved some kind of goal he had set himself).
It is a line you have to walk but to choose one or the other side of the line, to me, is the compromise, not walking the line.

[panopticon]

It is a line you have to walk but to choose one or the other side of the line, to me, is the compromise, not walking the line.

Well said sdv. As is commonly said in Australia: "you have to try to get the balance right".
Kind Regards, :yo:
Panopticon

[Neptun]

Unified Serenity,

It takes 2 to a tango. The moment you allow a man to be a man, then he will live up to it.

Same thing with when we men treat women like real women, they will treat us like real men back.

The biggest question is. Do you expect the mirror to change before you will change or do you change first?

Cute cliche's don't make you right Neptun. I think your whole thread has the feel of "Troll" to it. I am going to go about my normal forum business, and leave you to your soap box. You and whomever wants to kvetch about the issues of men and women can have at it without me. You see me through very jaded glasses, and there is no way I can affect your chosen social views.

I don't care if you listen or not. It is your life.

It is a classic problem. Even the Bible says it:
"7 “Don’t judge, so that you won’t be judged. 2 You’ll receive the same judgment you give. Whatever you deal out will be dealt out to you. 3 Why do you see the splinter that’s in your brother’s or sister’s eye, but don’t notice the log in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother or sister, ‘Let me take the splinter out of your eye,’ when there’s a log in your eye? 5 You deceive yourself! First take the log out of your eye, and then you’ll see clearly to take the splinter out of your brother’s or sister’s eye. 6 Don’t give holy things to dogs, and don’t throw your pearls in front of pigs. They will stomp on the pearls, then turn around and attack you."

[wynderer]

thanks, Neptun -- i skimmed over the first bit & saved it for future perusal -- it seems i was being invited to join the political subnation -- having the right DNA helps to get the invite [smile]

i truly meant that i am weary of battle -- i have had quite a difficult time of it since refusing said invite -- & life was no bed of roses before that --

i believe that the whole yin/yang thing is extremely polarized in this 3D galaxy -- there may be parallel 3D universes/galaxies where this is not so -- i see weak/strong -- victor/victim -- conquerer/conquered as aspects of this polarization [ i like the male/female polarization tho -- perhaps all my French blood --'Vive la difference']

this polarization seems so primitive to me -- then i ask myself what is my standard of comparison -- & that's when memories begin to touch at the corners of my mind of a very different way of existing in this infinitely dimensional Universe -- & i get homesick

wyn




wynderer,

I think the reptilians have some good values like strength, power, not allowing to be dominated, understand life pushes us around and we have to learn from the experience instead of being a victim. Humans can learn allot from the reptilians.

The dark ones seem to hate the weak. In their world it is either slave or master and a slave has to be pushed around allot to get hardened and strong enough so he/she can be master one day.

It is interesting to speak with reptilians with love, caring, empathy, softness, not dominating them but not allowing to be dominated. They don't know how to handle it and they notice the power in it that overpower them without making them feel like a slave. They have a heavy amour and the softness goes right through and directly to their heart what makes them feel strong emotions.

I think they say it perfectly in their manipulation guide:
http://www.lawfulpath.com/ref/sw4qw/


The Artificial Womb
From the time a person leaves its mother's womb, its every effort is directed towards building, maintaining, and withdrawing into artificial wombs, various sorts of substitute protective devices or shells.

The objective of these artificial wombs is to provide a stable environment for both stable and unstable activity; to provide a shelter for the evolutionary processes of growth and maturity - i.e., survival; to provide security for freedom and to provide defensive protection for offensive activity.

This is equally true of both the general public and the elite. However, there is a definite difference in the way each of these classes go about the solution of problems.
The Political Structure of a Nation - Dependency
The primary reason why the individual citizens of a country create a political structure is a subconscious wish or desire to perpetuate their own dependency relationship of childhood. Simply put, they want a human god to eliminate all risk from their life, pat them on the head, kiss their bruises, put a chicken on every dinner table, clothe their bodies, tuck them into bed at night, and tell them that everything will be alright when they wake up in the morning.

This public demand is incredible, so the human god, the politician, meets incredibility with incredibility by promising the world and delivering nothing. So who is the bigger liar? the public? or the "godfather"?

This public behavior is surrender born of fear, laziness, and expediency. It is the basis of the welfare state as a strategic weapon, useful against a disgusting public.
Action/Offense
Most people want to be able to subdue and/or kill other human beings which disturb their daily lives, but they do not want to have to cope with the moral and religious issues which such an overt act on their part might raise. Therefore, they assign the dirty work to others (including their own children) so as to keep the blood off their hands. They rave about the humane treatment of animals and then sit down to a delicious hamburger from a whitewashed slaughterhouse down the street and out of sight. But even more hypocritical, they pay taxes to finance a professional association of hit men collectively called politicians, and then complain about corruption in government.
Responsibility
Again, most people want to be free to do the things (to explore, etc.) but they are afraid to fail.

The fear of failure is manifested in irresponsibility, and especially in delegating those personal responsibilities to others where success is uncertain or carries possible or created liabilities (law) which the person is not prepared to accept. They want authority (root word - "author"), but they will not accept responsibility or liability. So they hire politicians to face reality for them.
Summary
The people hire the politicians so that the people can:

obtain security without managing it.
obtain action without thinking about it.
inflict theft, injury, and death upon others without having to contemplate either life or death.
avoid responsibility for their own intentions.
obtain the benefits of reality and science without exerting themselves in the discipline of facing or learning either of these things.

They give the politicians the power to create and manage a war machine to:

provide for the survival of the nation/womb.
prevent encroachment of anything upon the nation/womb.
destroy the enemy who threatens the nation/womb.
destroy those citizens of their own country who do not conform for the sake of stability of the nation/womb.

Politicians hold many quasi-military jobs, the lowest being the police which are soldiers, the attorneys and C.P.A.s next who are spies and saboteurs (licensed), and the judges who shout orders and run the closed union military shop for whatever the market will bear. The generals are industrialists. The "presidential" level of commander-in-chief is shared by the international bankers. The people know that they have created this farce and financed it with their own taxes (consent), but they would rather knuckle under than be the hypocrite.

Thus, a nation becomes divided into two very distinct parts, a docile sub-nation [great silent majority] and a political sub-nation. The political sub-nation remains attached to the docile sub-nation, tolerates it, and leaches its substance until it grows strong enough to detach itself and then devour its parent.

[Unified Serenity]

Hey Wyn,

I can completely understand where you are coming from. I think there was a terrible disservice done to women in creating the false idea that getting out and having a career and being able to do it all and have it all. It really is not possible to be a great home maker and a great career woman. The elites / socialists wanted to destroy the foundation of the family structure and get the children away from the influences of the family. They needed to disrupt the moral fabric of society, and that has been the constant mantra since the 1940's onward really. They took women into the workforce during the great war and women got used to doing other things and liked it. When the men came home they took the jobs back and that created a bit of an issue as well. I mean, women experienced "mens" work and realized that rivieting, welding, and construction were not as gosh darn hard as the men had made it out to be and they liked it and they liked making money.

So, push the women back into the small box, and deny them the opportunity for those who wanted it and thus a seed was planted, fertilized and watered. Then they pushed the sexual revolution and when birth control hit the market women could be just as sleezy as men and not feel responsible, but gosh those pills didn't always work and there were pregnancy issues and we got abortion on demand. I won't go into the disgusting butchering of millions of babies for convenience, but I will just say that it also was a seed planted about the value of children and family not being all it was cracked up to be. With the attack on virtue, sanctity of monogamy and honoring vows under full attack men dumped their old has been hag.... I mean wives and got a corvette and 24 yr old secretary. Women continued to fight for fair wages and the divide widened. Women suffered greatly from the 70's onward by being dumped after building a very successful marriage and all those assets to finding themselves living on beans and rice and trying to get a job at 50 yrs old to make ends meet while the husband is the vice-president of X division making 300k a year all because she was the foundation to provide the stable home life which gave him the credentials to move up in the company. Most companies did not like old bachelors. No, they wanted a respectable family man to promote and lead the workforce.

The women who were happy being a wife and mother, providing a warm and inviting home to live in watched all of this happen. Girls grew up seeing it happen. For those who did not experience the 60's - 80's it was a really hard time for women to try to find any sort of balance. Women fought for ever career advancement. For a woman to be taken seriously she had to be the best in her field. Now, I believe in always striving for being the best I can be, but quite frankly it's very hard to compete in a "man's" career field (often for much less money, but more than traditional women's jobs) and gain any respect. Women got so good at excelling that companies that were smart finally started hiring women because they would do the work of 5 men! This all came with a terrible price though. The family suffered, many women wanted to be stay at home wives and mothers, but men lost their trust. Most men have always worked and made their way, almost always with a wife at home helping them by doing the mundane chores of life. He did not call in sick to work to take care of child with a cold. No, his wife would take care of the children and let him be the star at work. Even today, with women and men working it is the woman who calls in sick to work to take care of a sick child or take them to the doctors etc.. She sacrifices more than the man. I am speaking in overall terms. We can all find examples that go against the norm. My point is, men still focus on career and their job comes before hers. Plus, the whole aspect of having a baby costs a woman in her career. It is very demanding to be pregnant and have a child. There is time off needed and sadly most women rush back to work because of money and fear of losing career options. The children pay the biggest price.

All of this is social programming. There have always been double standards with males vs. females. Young men could dally about and have sex and they were just "sewing their oats" and being a "stud". Women who dallied about were whores and ****s. There was the idea that good girls waited for marriage and virginity meant something. That pregnancy out of wedlock was akin to the Scarlet letter, and while men would sew their oats, they married the suitable girl next door who did not. She played her role and suffered for it. Men are now lashing back at the forced feminization of them and rightly so. Men should be who they are, but if they want to return to Mayberry then they must recognize that it comes with a cost of self sacrifice and honoring commitments. That adultery is not allowed if you want women to return to their accustomed roles which many did enjoy. That in doing that a social contract is made and there is no easy divorce. Do you want that risk? Do you want to be shackled to someone for the rest of your life who might be a complete bitch? I think we all know that answer, but then we are left with the dilemma.

Should women be sentenced to a life of poverty because she married and had a couple children, did not persue a career and is dumped for whatever reason by the husband? Is is anyone else's responsibility in society to pay for your deciding to have children? We have countries going bankrupt with their laws on maternity leave. Companies cannot hire a new worker to fill the empty desk of the woman on maternity leave or man joining her to bond with their child for six months or a year. Companies cannot afford to pay for both those on leave and those filling their seats and ever expect to make a profit. How can people afford to pay those not working so they can stay home with their baby? And now back to the earlier thread on the price hikes in the 60's and 70's. How in the hell did so many American's have the luxury of just the husband working, the mother staying home and taking care of the children and having a month's vacation time every year? This was not just for the upper middle class and upper class. This was a pretty common lifestyle in the 50's. How is it that we now have both parents working and barely making ends meet and they rarely get more than a weeks vacation?

This is all meant to keep us exhausted, busy, and destroy the family. Job well done Elites.

[Neptun]

panopticon

Sorry, you are a man, I thought you were a victimized feminist woman. You sound exactly like one. Maybe it is because you have copied your partners views and totally agree with her. Some men are extremely pleasing to their dominant women, that they become super feminists themselves.

[panopticon]

The moment you are ready to face your fears and want to take responsibility instead of blaming evil men and corporations, then we can continue.

Sorry, obviously you missed this information from August where it was proven that powerful corporation control the world's finances:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?28356-Study-shows-powerful-corporations-really-do-control-the-world-s-finances

The report is a really interesting read and would remove any doubt from a reasonable persons mind (I have used this report on a number of occasions with a great deal of success) as to the fact that 'evil men and corporation' are in control of the world's finances. Using this information and viewed through the lens of the Money, Control and Power, their centralisation and consolidation "game" is relatively easy to see. Follow that with the various use of State internal legislation (SOPA) with multinational agreements (TRIPPS, ACTA) to tie it all together nicely and we have a fairly complete picture. There again: Why let the truth get in the way of a good story...
Regards, :yo:
Panopticon

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panopticon
Sorry, you are a man, I thought you were a victimized feminist woman. You sound exactly like one. Maybe it is because you have copied your partners views and totally agree with her. Some men are extremely pleasing to their dominant women, that they become super feminists themselves.

Hahahaha. Good one.
Still waiting for the link to your response regards the information supplied though.
Regards, :yo:
Panopticon

[wynderer]

LOL! in my one attempt at net dating, i was in communication w/a professor at John Jay College -- his former girlfriend -- 20 yrs together -- was a strong feminist -- the professor got very irritated w/the weakness of my feminism


panopticon

Sorry, you are a man, I thought you were a victimized feminist woman. You sound exactly like one. Maybe it is because you have copied your partners views and totally agree with her. Some men are extremely pleasing to their dominant women, that they become super feminists themselves.

[Neptun]

I will not waste my time and energy on arguments. I have stated what I mean and have no interest to convince anyone.

We are all responsible of our reality. If we like to lie to ourselves that others are the enemy- go ahead. Life will teach us with pain, if we are in disharmony. Often words don't teach.

[panopticon]

I will not waste my time and energy on arguments. I have stated what I mean and have no interest to convince anyone.
We are all responsible of our reality. If we like to lie to ourselves that others are the enemy- go ahead. Life will teach us with pain, if we are in disharmony. Often words don't teach.

Yeah that's what I thought. All strong and powerful but no bloody substance.
Resort to cryptic remarks about "disharmony" and the same tired old rhetoric.

Look bloke, I waited up to see where you'd responded to me before, it's after 1am and I've got about a hectare of gums trees to trim and split tomorrow so good luck with your "whateveritis".
Maybe you've found a sheila who reckons you're the ducks nuts where you are, but in Oz, bloke, you wouldn't last a bloody second.
Regards, :yo:
Panopticon

[Neptun]

panopticon,

Sorry for making you wait for my reply and disappoint you. I know am an evil man and you are a victim of my evilness.

If you ones again try to slip under my shoe, I will not stamp on you. You have to find someone else to wipe your sorry masochistic ass :whip:, so you can feel like a victim

You are an aggressive victim. :yield: No wonder your partner gets mad at you haha

Regards

The friendly Neptun(e) :yo:

[Arrowwind]

panopticon,

With all due respect. You are digging your own grave and supporting New World Order when you are allowing yourself to be manipulated by the New World Order movements.

You say I speak like a 1%. The occupy movement was funded by George Soros.
"George Soros Funds Occupy Wall Street"
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=47009

The reason is to make class-warfare and steer the revolution energies into socialism. What is wrong with Socialism you might say. Socialism is what the Elite wants. Denmark is close to the utopia socialistic New World Order brave new world system, where we have a huge nanny state, pay one of worlds highest taxes and it treated like children by the state.

The Elite lost more or less control of the movement, when they began to focus on the central banks instead of the 1%.

Feminism is also a New World Order movement to be able to tax women and make them work too so the state is in control of the children to indoctrinate them.

Listen to the words of Mr. Rockefeller about feminism:
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You are now being manipulated by 3 New World Order movements and it is affecting your thinking process, so you will support the New World Order instead of taking back your power.

I know if feels tempting to be a victim of evil men and corporations. But a victim will always be a victim and not take back your powers and become free.

Reality is a mirror of yourself and if you don't take responsibility, you will have lots of things to complain about and and feel miserable. It will only dragging your energy down and open up for parasites from another dimension to feed of your energy.

Your life, your choice.

Do you want to be a victim or stand up on your feet and take back your powers and take responsibility?


Thank you thank you thank you for this post and I will add that
A truely defeated and controlled person is one who has no interest in reconnecting with their own power and they have a zillion and a half excuses for not doing so. It is a pathetic situation to the supreme.

[Neptun]

Arrowwind

I agree. If we don't stop allowing to be fooled and manipulated, we will become victims and victims are in a hopeless situation and are suffering.

The Elite are not keeping us down. WE ARE THE POWERFUL ONES! WE ALLOW TO BE KEPT DOWN BY FREE WILL. The moment we say enough is enough. I'm sick and tired of allowing to be fooled and manipulated, is the moment we step into our powers and take back our powers.

I made this thread to help others train themselves to take responsibility and become powerful. I have done this my self for years and it works!

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44632-Take-back-your-powers-and-seek-truth

[the_vast_mystery]

Why do genders need to have roles? Does the idea of people honestly preferring to live in a way contrary to yours make you so frightened you feel the need to visit violent oppression on them? This whole "Feminism as an NWO" agenda is disinformation meant to make you look ridiculous. If you really care about families and stopping family-destroying-agendas you'd be supporting any loving, functional family unit whether or not it was composed of a stereotypical-working-male father and stereotypical stay-at-home-mother. The only way "feminism" is an NWO agenda is that it plays on your inherent cravings for safety and conformity by making you revolt at the idea of your gender traditions being changed. It was meant to make you hate someone who just wanted fair pay, fair work opportunities and a fair shot at self-determination in life, just like you, entirely because they were a woman and got vocal about it.

Does that mean there aren't provocateurs, that there aren't misandrists as well? Of course not! But by and large these are so far outside of the majority that they should not be taken as demonstrative of the wider culture of modern feminism. This entire ordeal though is meant to keep you separated and squabbling amongst yourselves while the money-masters laugh and profit off of your collective misery. Do you think biology really matters that much beyond the ability to preform a very small subset of physically intensive labor? What makes a family is love, families are important, what's missed is that hereditary biological relations are in no way a guarantor of a loving family and in many cases this dogmatic insistence on it traps more people in abusive situations until they give in and become abusive themselves to cope. It's keeping people caged in situations like this that allows horrors like spouse/child abuse to continue to propagate to this very day.

People don't need to play gender roles to have love, they do not need to be related to have love, they can simply fall into it just like everyone else does. If you want to not get flack for being hate-mongering on the issue I suggest thinking very very hard about how the mainstream world perceives you and take a moment to substantially address any concerns and separate out exactly what it is that you feel is being destroyed here in a way that does not implicate the hundreds of millions of women who just wanted their own freedom to decide their life instead of being shackled barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen.

[nearing]

Why do genders need to have roles? Does the idea of people honestly preferring to live in a way contrary to yours make you so frightened you feel the need to visit violent oppression on them? This whole "Feminism as an NWO" agenda is disinformation meant to make you look ridiculous. If you really care about families and agendas you'd be supporting any loving, functional family unit whether or not it was composed of a stereotypical-working-male father and stereotypical stay-at-home-mother. The only way "feminism" is an NWO agenda is that it plays on your inherent cravings for safety and conformity by making you revolt at the idea of your gender traditions being changed. It was meant to make you hate someone who just wanted fair pay, fair work opportunities and a fair shot at self-determination in life, just like you, entirely because they were a woman and got vocal about it.

Does that mean there aren't provocateurs, that there aren't misandrists as well? Of course not! But by and large these are so far outside of the majority that they should not be taken as demonstrative of the wider culture of modern feminism. This entire ordeal though is meant to keep you separated and squabbling amongst yourselves while the money-masters laugh and profit off of your collective misery. Do you think biology really matters that much beyond the ability to preform a very small subset of physically intensive labor? What makes a family is love, families are important, what's missed is that hereditary biological relations are in no way a guarantor of a loving family and in many cases this dogmatic insistence on it traps more people in abusive situations until they give in and become abusive themselves to cope. It's keeping people caged in situations like this that allows horrors like spouse/child abuse to continue to propagate to this very day.

People don't need to play gender roles to have love, they do not need to be related to have love, they can simply fall into it just like everyone else does. If you want to not get flack for being hate-mongering on the issue I suggest thinking very very hard about how the mainstream world perceives you and take a moment to substantially address any concerns and separate out exactly what it is that you feel is being destroyed here in a way that does not implicate the hundreds of millions of women who just wanted their own freedom to decide their life instead of being shackled barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen.

Hallelujah!!!

[Maia Gabrial]

So, tell us Neptun what WOULD make you happy in all of this? In reading all of your comments, what seems to be prevalent are your insecurities showing....
What is the REAL reason for all of your resentment? Would you feel better if it went back to the way things were in the Dark Ages where men were men and women had to bow down to them? Is this the "power" you're talking about? Want to jail the feminists as punishment? How would you exert your brand of "power" in this matter? Your last comment sounded ominous...

Just remember that inequality was how all of this started in the first place. Women became easy marks for this kind of manipulation. One way or another they wanted equality. So, the balance shifted and the pendulum started swinging....

BTW I don't adhere to the Bible, so quoting from it doesn't impress me much....

Most of us have agreed with you that the Feminist movement is NWO. Everything was designed by TPTW to destroy every aspect of our society. They've ALMOST succeeded. Not quite....

But just so you know, when two people have agreed on how THEIR relationship will be, then it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks about it. WHY should that bother anyone? If a couple want to change roles, then who the h*ll has a say in that? It doesn't make either one less male or female because of it. You've been pretty critical of those who have tried to make the best they could out of the mess TPTW created..... I don't think I'll ever completely agree with you because of your anger and hatred towards the women who have been every bit manipulated dupes as everyone else. Alittle compassion and understanding please....
As I've said before, when the pendulum stops swinging, then it's in balance. This is what will happen to society once TPTW have gone from our lives....

[Neptun]

As I stated earlier. I don't want to argue or try to convince anyone.

I seek the truth and nothing but the truth. If people want to believe lies, allow to be manipulated and give up their powers to the NWO, that is their choice.

Don't let the vampire in, that is my advice! If people think it is not a vampire, but something cute and loving. So be it. Your life, your responsibility. Don't cry later and speak like a victim when reality kicks in.

[CdnSirian]

"I will not waste my time and energy on arguments. I have stated what I mean and have no interest to convince anyone."

Wow. I'm confused....then why this thread?

Not that I haven't enjoyed some of the replies.

[Neptun]

CdnSirian,

I have said what needed to be said. If I have to repeat myself, it will waste time and energy.

You decide, if you want to believe in lies and create a reality that matches your lie or if you want truth and find freedom.

If you need to blow off some steam and ridicule or name call me, feel free to do so. Maybe that is what needed, before you can see clearly again. :cheer2:

[CdnSirian]

CdnSirian,

I have said what needed to be said. If I have to repeat my self, it will waste time and energy.

You hung in for nine pages? "If I have to repeat myself..."?

[Whiskey_Mystic]

If I have to repeat my self, it will waste time and energy.

Too late.

o_0

[the_vast_mystery]

As I stated earlier. I don't want to argue or try to convince anyone.

I seek the truth and nothing but the truth. If people want to believe lies, allow to be manipulated and give up their powers to the NWO, that is their choice.

Don't let the vampire in, that is my advice! If people think it is not a vampire, but something cute and loving. So be it. Your life, your responsibility. Don't cry later and speak like a victim when reality kicks in.

The truth does not speak for itself, if it did then we would not need mandatory criminal defense attorneys in court. This idea that the truth needs no defense is based on the assumption you are somehow so uniquely superior that you alone can discern the unabashed truth from the aether and that because of that anything you decree is beyond all reproach. Sounds more like the "Divine Right of Kings" all over again, LOL.

You are arguing and you are trying to convince people, only in a rather indirect and honestly pretty ridiculous way. You're falling back on hoping that if you pretend to be stubborn enough about being right and that you're not trying to sell your own brand of bias that no one will notice that is exactly what you are doing. In this case you are projecting, not that someone else is doing what you are doing, but that you aren't doing exactly what you are doing. If you weren't trying to convince anyone, and were serious about your philosophy that nothing more need be said you would have never responded once after your first post.

Some people, unfortunately, pay more attention. ;)

[panopticon]

G'day Neptun,

I've just come in from the back 50 for lunch and thought I'd have a look at what you had to say.



You keep saying I didn't answer you. I did.
The moment you are ready to face your fears and want to take responsibility instead of blaming evil men and corporations, then we can continue.


I looked back over this thread and you never actually did. Not once did you answer a question I raised. Not once.
You stick to narrow definitions in every point you make and mock any logical response.
I am willing to have one last attempt.

As you said:

I seek the truth and nothing but the truth.
So:

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The title of the thread is 'Feminism is a NWO agenda to split the families'.

You have told me that I need 'to take responsibility instead of blaming evil men and corporations'. Fair enough.


When the feminist movement was formed, in the 19th Century (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_feminism), who was it that you contend orchestrated and financed it?

Who do you think are the architects and designers of this plot and of the NWO?

Finally, how do you propose to solve it?

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Please start at number one and work through.
Take your time.
Go get help from anyone you need to in answering this.
Please try to avoid name calling and quessing what I am or am not.

I reckon that what you call "evil men and corporations" (I would never use the term "evil men", I use the term oligarchs as women are in positions of manipulative control too) started financing it in part in the 1960's (what is commonly referred to as "second wave feminism" and where the Rockerfeller story originates from) so as to be able to control the awakening feminine divine power and to try to bring the grass root social dicursive processes surrounding this rise in strength and solidarity amongst women under their control.

I also reckon they were largely unsuccessful.

I can supply information on this if you like. It is easily accessible and I have absolutely no problems in supplying evidence to support my position and claims.

Oh and to clarify, I have never been a victim of anyone.
I will not lead and I will not be lead.

You, however, seem to have some deep seated problems (in regards to women and gender roles at the very least) so I might suggest you talk to someone qualified about it.
Maybe a good female psychiatrist would be able to sort it out for you. :P
Oh and I never said that my partner gets mad at me. Only thing I can think is that it is some kind of transference and yours does/did.
Kind Regards, :yo:
Panopticon

[the_vast_mystery]

The saddest part? He is partly right, there is definitely a real issue called the two-income trap and it started around the 1970s. But that was more about businesses capitalizing on the increasing number of women already choosing to go to work as well. The business world is designed to take everything in life, secure the exclusive supply, and then find a way to extract the maximum amount of profit from it so it should be no surprise. We do have a real income inequality problem, but the idea we should blame feminists is where the "NWO divisiveness" comes in. If this was an NWO plot at all, it was to make men hate women for wanting to have the same social mobility by making women's gains in social mobility appear to be responsible for the same "let's figure out how to make people pay $TEXAS$ for this" attitude big business has always practiced in spades.

I find it bitterly ironic that many people were/are more inclined to suspect their wives as being at fault for merely wanting a choice in their day than to suspect that their bosses dream of getting ever richer and don't care that they have to get ever poorer to make that happen.

[Space_Ace]

G'day Space_ace,

Buy a blow up doll, it wont talk back either (just keep a tyre repair kit "handy" :p ).
Kind Regards, :yo:
Panopticon

I don't care for sex and am a virgin(rejected the brainwashing that you need sex to prove your manhood), I want a sweet, beautiful, loving traditional woman. What works for you(role reversal) will not work for most men, including me. I earn the money, my robogirl cooks and cleans and is romantic/affectionate with me.


Hi Neptun--

i posted a link to a Vigilant Citizen article about the heavy promotion of Humans as robots or as Human/robot hybrids in the mass media directed at young people -- music videos especially-- he also goes into the 'sexbot' promotion
wyn

Ray Kurzweil talks about transhumanism and how we will merge with our robots by 2030-2050. He believes this is how we achieve "actuarial escape velocity" where we live forever as robots and inside computers/machines. I would much prefer to believe we are already immortal spirits having a human experience and that we will ascend end of this year. :)




I follow your logic and I do see it could seem like a good idea for you. But we are being challenged on our soul and imagine how it would feel like if you overcame your fear of women.
Yes it is true the system is making hostile anti-male laws. Come to Denmark and you will see an man apartheid. Same with Sweden and Norway.
As long as you don't marry or have kids you should be more or less on the safe side.
I think you should get a woman as a friend to a start. Maybe a lesbian so you are 100% sure that she will not lure you into a relationship and then talk totally open with her about your fears. I think that is a good way to start dealing with the fears.

1. I won't fear women anymore once the elites are arrested and the Rockefeller funded feminism/misandry is no more. Without all those anti-male laws, women will have little power to oppress men, this was the case before the 1970s.
2. My soul challenge when I incarnated here was to wake up to the lies of feminism, something almost impossible for women to wake up to, but much easier for men to.
3. I still want robogirls for the reasons already explained and I strongly believe that 95% of men will much prefer "perfect" robogirls over any human woman, much less a feminist. Women will be unable to compete with "perfect" robogirls and frankly, women should not waste their energy trying to compete, but move on and learn to enjoy their roboguys or turn gay and have each other.
4. Human-human relationships has been permanently ruined on much of Earth, save for some rural areas isolated from feminism. Humanlike robots are intended to offer humans(especially men) the opportunity to be happy.
5. I have never been interested in marriage nor kids. Google "marriage strike" to understand how marriage oppresses men and how we have been warning men away from marriage. We predict that marriage will be done away with as it has outlived it's usefulness. People can still "marry" but it will be on paper only with no laws backing it, no different than girlfriend.
6. I am not a social person and besides, I find that men make much better friends. I am a nerd and have almost nothing in common with the vast majority of women. Most lesbians are man hating feminists, no thanks.
7. I should publish my long robogirl article I wrote last year in a new thread and you can decide if the robogirl route is for you or if you prefer to stay single the rest of your life(hard to imagine) then in your next lifetime, be incarnated on an Earthlike planet that has never seen feminism.
8. If ETs disclose themselves, they may transport you and millions of other souls to other Earthlike worlds that has never seen feminism.
9. I have chosen the robogirl route as a solution to being able to experience love. It is obvious that we can't change the minds of feminists and women who buy into their lies. Besides, there is no need because I know I will be extremely happy with my robogirls and I strongly believe so will 95% of men.
10. If ascension to fourth density positive is a reality and happens end of this year, there is the possibility that men and women can at least be friends because our awareness will be increased and we will wake up from some of the feminist lies. Perhaps by 5d or 6d, men and women will be capable of perfect and unconditional loving relationships, making robots obsolete.

[Maia Gabrial]

As I stated earlier. I don't want to argue or try to convince anyone.

I seek the truth and nothing but the truth. If people want to believe lies, allow to be manipulated and give up their powers to the NWO, that is their choice.

Don't let the vampire in, that is my advice! If people think it is not a vampire, but something cute and loving. So be it. Your life, your responsibility. Don't cry later and speak like a victim when reality kicks in.

The truth is that you've been manipulated, too, Neptun. TPTW gave you an enemy and you accepted it.... Duped. Lock, stock and barrel....

You'll have to remember that in order for people to see a problem, FIRST they have to recognize and admit there's a problem. It's up to them, no matter how much you want to cajole, ridicule or guilt them into your way of thinking. You may fear for them, but step back and let them make their own mistakes because there's more to life than meets the eyes.... The ONLY thing you have control over is yourself...

BTW I'm glad that your life is perfect in these difficult times....
Hope you and Space Ace finally come to terms with your fears....

[tenacity1]

There was a eugenics/ family splitting agenda when the Feminist movement got coopted by capitalism and the secret govt stuck it's two cents in.. However , having grown up in the male dominated sexist and bigoted south..I am very grateful for the rights I now enjoy.Otherwise , I don't have a dog in this fight.

[9eagle9]

yes exactly it is VERY hard not to condition your kids, they observe your behaviors etc. I consider myself open minded and perhaps unorthodox but my child is still adopting some of my behaviors, gestures and habits. Whether that is good or bad or indifferent, it doesn't matter, she is still adopting them.

She always says to me, I don't have to do things the way you do.

No she doesn't.

(this is the barrel she puts me over in regards to housework...lol) Well just because you vaccumn the whole room at once doesn't mean I have to!


I will note that much of the new feminism "The divine feminine principal " and women will lead the world--those sorts of things are mostly promoted by men.

I've seen a number of declarations about how women will lead the world in all sorts of forums and nearly all the threads are created by men.

I personally don't want the responsibility. It reminds me of single motherhood times 7.2 billion.



Social engineering is not new. It has always been there in one form or another. When a parent tells a child how to behave, that is social engineering. When a church or a business tells someone how to behave that is social engineering. When a magazine promotes a drug, a style in clothing, a fabricated look, a vacation spot, the best city to live in, the best school, the best tv shows, - that is also social engineering. When a law is made to limit a behavior that is social engineering.

[Sebastion]

This post is a classic case of divided and traumatized division of the masculine and feminine energies within the self. Had I not been suffering from the same dis-ease for many lifetimes within myself, I could never have recognized it in another.

This post is exactly what it looks like. I can't even begin to imagine the pain and suffering being endured here....






G'day Space_ace,

Buy a blow up doll, it wont talk back either (just keep a tyre repair kit "handy" :p ).
Kind Regards, :yo:
Panopticon

I don't care for sex and am a virgin(rejected the brainwashing that you need sex to prove your manhood), I want a sweet, beautiful, loving traditional woman. What works for you(role reversal) will not work for most men, including me. I earn the money, my robogirl cooks and cleans and is romantic/affectionate with me.


Hi Neptun--

i posted a link to a Vigilant Citizen article about the heavy promotion of Humans as robots or as Human/robot hybrids in the mass media directed at young people -- music videos especially-- he also goes into the 'sexbot' promotion
wyn

Ray Kurzweil talks about transhumanism and how we will merge with our robots by 2030-2050. He believes this is how we achieve "actuarial escape velocity" where we live forever as robots and inside computers/machines. I would much prefer to believe we are already immortal spirits having a human experience and that we will ascend end of this year. :)




I follow your logic and I do see it could seem like a good idea for you. But we are being challenged on our soul and imagine how it would feel like if you overcame your fear of women.
Yes it is true the system is making hostile anti-male laws. Come to Denmark and you will see an man apartheid. Same with Sweden and Norway.
As long as you don't marry or have kids you should be more or less on the safe side.
I think you should get a woman as a friend to a start. Maybe a lesbian so you are 100% sure that she will not lure you into a relationship and then talk totally open with her about your fears. I think that is a good way to start dealing with the fears.

1. I won't fear women anymore once the elites are arrested and the Rockefeller funded feminism/misandry is no more. Without all those anti-male laws, women will have little power to oppress men, this was the case before the 1970s.
2. My soul challenge when I incarnated here was to wake up to the lies of feminism, something almost impossible for women to wake up to, but much easier for men to.
3. I still want robogirls for the reasons already explained and I strongly believe that 95% of men will much prefer "perfect" robogirls over any human woman, much less a feminist. Women will be unable to compete with "perfect" robogirls and frankly, women should not waste their energy trying to compete, but move on and learn to enjoy their roboguys or turn gay and have each other.
4. Human-human relationships has been permanently ruined on much of Earth, save for some rural areas isolated from feminism. Humanlike robots are intended to offer humans(especially men) the opportunity to be happy.
5. I have never been interested in marriage nor kids. Google "marriage strike" to understand how marriage oppresses men and how we have been warning men away from marriage. We predict that marriage will be done away with as it has outlived it's usefulness. People can still "marry" but it will be on paper only with no laws backing it, no different than girlfriend.
6. I am not a social person and besides, I find that men make much better friends. I am a nerd and have almost nothing in common with the vast majority of women. Most lesbians are man hating feminists, no thanks.
7. I should publish my long robogirl article I wrote last year in a new thread and you can decide if the robogirl route is for you or if you prefer to stay single the rest of your life(hard to imagine) then in your next lifetime, be incarnated on an Earthlike planet that has never seen feminism.
8. If ETs disclose themselves, they may transport you and millions of other souls to other Earthlike worlds that has never seen feminism.
9. I have chosen the robogirl route as a solution to being able to experience love. It is obvious that we can't change the minds of feminists and women who buy into their lies. Besides, there is no need because I know I will be extremely happy with my robogirls and I strongly believe so will 95% of men.
10. If ascension to fourth density positive is a reality and happens end of this year, there is the possibility that men and women can at least be friends because our awareness will be increased and we will wake up from some of the feminist lies. Perhaps by 5d or 6d, men and women will be capable of perfect and unconditional loving relationships, making robots obsolete.

[Maia Gabrial]

1. I won't fear women anymore once the elites are arrested and the Rockefeller funded feminism/misandry is no more. Without all those anti-male laws, women will have little power to oppress men, this was the case before the 1970s.
2. My soul challenge when I incarnated here was to wake up to the lies of feminism, something almost impossible for women to wake up to, but much easier for men to.
3. I still want robogirls for the reasons already explained and I strongly believe that 95% of men will much prefer "perfect" robogirls over any human woman, much less a feminist. Women will be unable to compete with "perfect" robogirls and frankly, women should not waste their energy trying to compete, but move on and learn to enjoy their roboguys or turn gay and have each other.
4. Human-human relationships has been permanently ruined on much of Earth, save for some rural areas isolated from feminism. Humanlike robots are intended to offer humans(especially men) the opportunity to be happy.
5. I have never been interested in marriage nor kids. Google "marriage strike" to understand how marriage oppresses men and how we have been warning men away from marriage. We predict that marriage will be done away with as it has outlived it's usefulness. People can still "marry" but it will be on paper only with no laws backing it, no different than girlfriend.
6. I am not a social person and besides, I find that men make much better friends. I am a nerd and have almost nothing in common with the vast majority of women. Most lesbians are man hating feminists, no thanks.
7. I should publish my long robogirl article I wrote last year in a new thread and you can decide if the robogirl route is for you or if you prefer to stay single the rest of your life(hard to imagine) then in your next lifetime, be incarnated on an Earthlike planet that has never seen feminism.
8. If ETs disclose themselves, they may transport you and millions of other souls to other Earthlike worlds that has never seen feminism.
9. I have chosen the robogirl route as a solution to being able to experience love. It is obvious that we can't change the minds of feminists and women who buy into their lies. Besides, there is no need because I know I will be extremely happy with my robogirls and I strongly believe so will 95% of men.
10. If ascension to fourth density positive is a reality and happens end of this year, there is the possibility that men and women can at least be friends because our awareness will be increased and we will wake up from some of the feminist lies. Perhaps by 5d or 6d, men and women will be capable of perfect and unconditional loving relationships, making robots obsolete.

Such fears, Space_Ace. You've provided a 3D list of your fears and hatred. If you're familiar with Delores Cannon's teachings, then you'll know that your 3D fears will get you booted out of the 5D as soon as you get there..... Is this what you want holding you back from ascending? Ask yourself WHY do you feel these things? Who did what to you, so that you can forgive them and let go.... It's true that you've reincarnated in this lifetime to work THIS list out because they're chained to you whether you like it or not..... Bitterness won't take the pain away, friend. Self-analysis is what it takes....

Everyone needs to remember that the medias exaggerate all things. Nothing is as it seems. Exaggerations = Lies.... For instance, can you remember watching a "giant" protest going on where the cameras only focus on a certain part of the crowd? That's because that's all there is. If the cameras were to pan outward, that giant crowd would be smaller than a rally for some unpopular candidate... A trick of the camera, nothing more. IMO a lie....

So, relationships are NOT permanently ruined. Young people aren't all bad. Men and women are still attracted to one another regardless of their beliefs and stances. The majority of soldiers and cops are NOT vicious law breakers....(Only a minute percentage that the medias blew out of purportion). Please stop supporting the medias' lies and deceptions by spreading it! (Even the generalizations about the medias are wrong, but they ARE part of the problem because they're being forced to play the rat games with TPTW. They want everyone to THINK that everyone on the planet is screwed up. That includes YOU! Not so....

Take a better look around you. THAT'S where you'll see the truth. Not on the medias.... You're going to see that there are so many decent, good men, women and children around, shopping, working, making ends meet, going to school, playing, loving, arguing and planning life around the foul things TPTW toss at them.... You want TRUTH, then see it with your own eyes; instead of listening to one bitter man who's not doing much to solve the problems he perceives anyway....

[Sue (Ayt)]

Sigh - another snippet of dis-info that is being pushed in the “split the sexes agenda” that has recently annoyed me.
Apparently, the youth now believe this, which is:


"1974
When Could Women Get Credit Cards? Although the Equal Pay Act was passed in 1963 requiring men and women to be paid equally when doing the same work, it wasn't until the Equal Credit Opportunity Act (ECOA) was passed in 1974 that women were able to get their own credit cards in their own name.

It wasn't until 1974, when the Equal Credit Opportunity Act passed, that women in the U.S. were granted the right to open a bank account on their own. Technically, women won the right to open a bank account in the 1960s, but many banks still refused to let women do so without a signature from their husbands.
Forbes Mar 20, 2023”

This is the top result on Google in bold, when the question is asked “When could women open their own bank acct?” and “When could women get their own credit card?"
———

Scanning discussions on FB and others, I saw various young people (or someone?) constantly posting how awful conditions were for women back in the day, which included the ideas that women couldn’t get loans, bank accts, credit cards, or be involved in any financial arrangements without their husbands' or fathers' consent. Having lived back then, this is clearly BS! And they all claim that is was 1974 when that was finally changed.

1. I had no problems having both a checking and saving acct myself, and never encountered a woman having that problem. Possibly a minor needed parental signatures to open an acct.? My old-maid school teacher passed away in the 80’s leaving a million dollars to the school district in her will. Clearly she had a bank acct. to cash her paychecks during her long teaching career, as did my friend's widowed career mom.
2. Credit cards barely existed for regular folks, and were hard to get for anyone. The first one I remember having was a joint acct with my husband from Sears, which was considered quite a privilege to have, as prompt payments would open future credit doors.
Most people paid by lay-aways back then, only getting the merchandise once it was paid for in full.
3. Loans also were really hard to get for everyone without investigation of folks finances, including income and expenses. The income part included both spouses, and had to fall into certain parameters to ensure a loan would be re-paid.
4. Since marriage was considered to be much more permanent back then, as the bond was assumed to be lasting, most spousal accts. were joint accounts and the idea of separate accts. was rarely even considered. Often the wife was fully in charge of paying the bills.

I find it so strange that according to the younger folk, women should have all been celebrating their new-found financial status in 1974, but in reality, I have no memory of that "Equal Credit Opportunity Act (ECOA)" being enacted. History apparently has been re-written.

Unlike today, most of the women back then didn't see themselves as victims, and most that I talk with have fond memories of those times.

[Flash]

You are totally wrong, no disinfo at all in these young people comments. I am a first hand witness of my mother not able to have a bank account to change checks my father, working thousands of miles away, was sending her to feed us. She could not have a bank account, credit of any kind, loans, sign papers for her children, name it. She had to have the community priest intervene at the bank and a teller took on herself to change my dads checks that were endorsed by him (which he could not do to avoid theft) so my mom imitated his signature for a few years.

Women had absolutely no rights. This was in the 60’s, I am Canadian,a developed western country. Some bank would give accounts to single women for them not to starve, but a married one never got those rights.

Women who were paying bills did the accounting and got their husband to sign the checks (which my mom had to do when my dad was around and believe me, my dad could not care less if she had personal money, he did let her gladly in the seventies, but the society did not allow). . Free accounting work by women but no financial power or freedom.

Get your facts straight before accusing others of misinformation.


Sigh - another snippet of dis-info that is being pushed in the “split the sexes agenda” that has recently annoyed me.
Apparently, the youth now believe this, which is:


"1974
When Could Women Get Credit Cards? Although the Equal Pay Act was passed in 1963 requiring men and women to be paid equally when doing the same work, it wasn't until the Equal Credit Opportunity Act (ECOA) was passed in 1974 that women were able to get their own credit cards in their own name.

It wasn't until 1974, when the Equal Credit Opportunity Act passed, that women in the U.S. were granted the right to open a bank account on their own. Technically, women won the right to open a bank account in the 1960s, but many banks still refused to let women do so without a signature from their husbands.
Forbes Mar 20, 2023”

This is the top result on Google in bold, when the question is asked “When could women open their own bank acct?” and “When could women get their own credit card?"
———

Scanning discussions on FB and others, I saw various young people (or someone?) constantly posting how awful conditions were for women back in the day, which included the ideas that women couldn’t get loans, bank accts, credit cards, or be involved in any financial arrangements without their husbands' or fathers' consent. Having lived back then, this is clearly BS! And they all claim that is was 1974 when that was finally changed.

1. I had no problems having both a checking and saving acct myself, and never encountered a woman having that problem. Possibly a minor needed parental signatures to open an acct.? My old-maid school teacher passed away in the 80’s leaving a million dollars to the school district in her will. Clearly she had a bank acct. to cash her paychecks during her long teaching career, as did my friend's widowed career mom.
2. Credit cards barely existed for regular folks, and were hard to get for anyone. The first one I remember having was a joint acct with my husband from Sears, which was considered quite a privilege to have, as prompt payments would open future credit doors.
Most people paid by lay-aways back then, only getting the merchandise once it was paid for in full.
3. Loans also were really hard to get for everyone without investigation of folks finances, including income and expenses. The income part included both spouses, and had to fall into certain parameters to ensure a loan would be re-paid.
4. Since marriage was considered to be much more permanent back then, as the bond was assumed to be lasting, most spousal accts. were joint accounts and the idea of separate accts. was rarely even considered. Often the wife was fully in charge of paying the bills.

I find it so strange that according to the younger folk, women should have all been celebrating their new-found financial status in 1974, but in reality, I have no memory of that "Equal Credit Opportunity Act (ECOA)" being enacted. History apparently has been re-written.

Unlike today, most of the women back then didn't see themselves as victims, and most that I talk with have fond memories of those times.

[Sue (Ayt)]

Hi Flash - Perhaps it depended on the area, or the bank. Did your parents not have joint accounts, that either could sign in Canada?

My mother did all the family banking, although their account was joint. (as were most married couples where I grew up.) I had my own checking and savings account starting in the late 60's. My grandmother (widowed), also had her own accounts and did her own banking.

One thing that was hard, though, was that checks had to be physically taken to the bank, during banking hours. That was a real pain for working people, and we were so happy when they finally extended banking hours to Fri. evenings and Saturdays. (And they always had to be signed by the person they were made out to.)

Credit cards weren't widely available or used at all in the 60's, by the working class people around me, male or female.

[Harmony]

Hi Flash - Perhaps it depended on the area, or the bank. Did your parents not have joint accounts, that either could sign in Canada?

My mother did all the family banking, although their account was joint. (as were most married couples where I grew up.) I had my own checking and savings account starting in the late 60's. My grandmother (widowed), also had her own accounts and did her own banking.

One thing that was hard, though, was that checks had to be physically taken to the bank, during banking hours. That was a real pain for working people, and we were so happy when they finally extended banking hours to Fri. evenings and Saturdays. (And they always had to be signed by the person they were made out to.)

Credit cards weren't widely available or used at all in the 60's, by the working class people around me, male or female.

It seems it must have been different iin different places. My mother did all the banking and never needed any other signitures even on a joint account. Perhaps that was somethng that was decided by a family when setting up an account. Many business accounts are like that where partners are involved.

[Sue (Ayt)]

I found this link (https://femmefrugality.com/myth-busting-womens-banking/) to be more realistic as to the history of women and banking.

I do maintain that no, it is not true that women could not have a bank account of their own before 1974. (at least here in the US, in the state and area where I lived.)

I simply did not feel as repressed by men back then as many younger people appear to think I should have.

[Flash]

No it had nothing to do with the region, it was pretty much like that throughout the province, as soon as you were married. Even with joint accounts, the husband had to sign to take money out.

No need to tell you that as soon as married women could have bank accounts on their own, my mother ran to have one. She would have had one before because my dad never stopped her ‘expansion or liberation’. She was quite independent, the first woman in the province becoming school director in the same school board she had taught (prior, men would but women had to change school boards to climb up, therefore move their house as well).

I have other stories about strong women in my family being discriminated, excommunited from church etc. but it will be for another time. All I can tell is that it always have been difficult for women who were intelligent.


Hi Flash - Perhaps it depended on the area, or the bank. Did your parents not have joint accounts, that either could sign in Canada?

My mother did all the family banking, although their account was joint. (as were most married couples where I grew up.) I had my own checking and savings account starting in the late 60's. My grandmother (widowed), also had her own accounts and did her own banking.

One thing that was hard, though, was that checks had to be physically taken to the bank, during banking hours. That was a real pain for working people, and we were so happy when they finally extended banking hours to Fri. evenings and Saturdays. (And they always had to be signed by the person they were made out to.)

Credit cards weren't widely available or used at all in the 60's, by the working class people around me, male or female.

[Sue (Ayt)]

No it had nothing to do with the region, it was pretty much like that throughout the province, as soon as you were married. Even with joint accounts, the husband had to sign to take money out.

No need to tell you that as soon as married women could have bank accounts on their own, my mother ran to have one.

What year was your mother finally able to get her own bank account in your province in Canada, Flash?

And when did joint accounts drop the need for the man to always sign everything there? In my memory here in the US, joint accts. meant either spouse could sign, and either spouse could withdraw cash, as long as there was a balance that was cleared.

Was your father's signature even necessary for you mother to cash her own paycheck? (Wow - that would have been horrendous!)
(just curious about when these changes actually occurred elsewhere.)

That "1974" year mentioned only applied to the US, but I think that was only when it was clearly prohibited by written law for any bank to discriminate by sex. Society, though, still looked somewhat askance at separate accts. for married couples, not understanding why it was sometimes necessary for a family unit.

Credit is another story, though. It was not given very freely to anyone, and I would guess it was extra hard for a single woman to be approved. The folks I knew would be holding their breaths while waiting to find out if their loan was approved or not. Loans were rejected for the silliest reasons sometimes. Unlike today, seeking and getting approved for credit was a rather big deal.