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jackovesk
1st May 2012, 17:37
WARNING [GRAPHIC] PHOTO's

DO NOT GO ANY FURTHER - Either that or get a bucket...

Mods if some of these pictures are too Graphic, I will remove them...

Tuesday, 1 May 2012

Some say there's no hell. They're wrong. Hell's on Earth when the Visitors come. For some it's a terrifying abduction in the dead of night when nightmares become reality. For others, it's an implant inserted subcutaneously in the most inaccessible spot: tagged and tracked like an animal. But animals fared far worse: mutilations, incisions, and extracted organs…Operations performed by emotionless, methodical, sadistic surgeons from beyond.


Investigators long believed humans escaped such heinous atrocities…Until NOW..!

THE FOLLOWING ARTICLE CONTAINS EXTREMELY GRAPHIC IMAGES. HORRIFIC PHOTOS OF LIVESTOCK AND A HUMAN VICTIM MUTILATED IN CHILLING WAYS. DO NOT READ THIS ARTICLE IF YOU BELIEVE YOU WILL SUFFER EMOTIONAL TRAUMA FROM EXPOSURE TO SUCH IMAGES.

Note: The images included in this article are, to the best of the author's knowledge, not fraudulent, faked, manipulated, or enhanced in any way. They represent true and accurate photographic records from law enforcement and UFO researchers' investigations into cases of what's become known as cattle mutilations, and the emerging terror of human abduction and murder-mutilation.

While the photos are deeply disturbing, the images of the Brazilian man thought to have been abducted and callously mutilated by extraterrestrials in the same fashion as livestock are deeply psychologically disturbing and may have lasting emotional effects on those that view them.

The origin of cattle mutilations

For those that still believe that the occupants of UFOs are all kindly, beneficient space brothers, they've never read the details of human abductions or seen the grisly photographs of cattle mutilations, also called bovine excisions.

Although most cattle mutilation reports surfaced since the media paid intense attention to a celebrated Alamosa, Colorado case from 1967, reports of livestock abduction go back much further.

Reports in some local newspapers from the 1920s and 1930s allude to cattle being found in fields with strange cuts and holes in their bodies and drained completely of blood—although where the blood went no one ever discovered.

Nineteenth Century England also had cases of livestock mutilated and killed under very mysterious circumstances. After one incident, where more than 30 sheep were found mutilated and drained of blood, terrifed villagers scoured the countryside hunting for a vampire.

Cases of cattle mutilations tend to follow certain patterns across the United States. The incidents also occur outside of the U.S., occurring in Canada, some European countries, Brazil and Argentina.

The most striking features of the mutilations include surgical procedures described by investigators as looking like laser incisions; organs are removed, including eyes; and in virtually every case the rectal organs and reproductive organs have been excised leaving only gaping cavities. In literally every case identified as an actual bovine excision, no blood is found in or anywhere near the animal.

Despite careful investigations by police at the scene, no footprints or trace of anyone approaching or leaving the carcass is ever found.

Natural animal predators avoid the carcass, despite gaping wounds and exposed organs.

Some cases exhibit higher levels of strangeness. Elevated levels of radiation are detected in the vicinity of some of the animals. Odd aerial vehicles are witnessed. The appearance of the UFOs range from glowing orbs, cylindrical craft and classic flying saucers to paramilitary, unmarked black helicopters.

The modern era of cattle mutilations

The case that started the modern era of cattle mutilations involved a 3-year-old pony named Lady that the newspapers of the time dubbed "Snippy."

Snippy had many of what later became the classic mutilations of other livestock across the West. A strong medicinal odor was also detected near the savagely mutilated animal.

Ellie Crystal of the website Crystalinks writes "The civilian UFO research group NICAP became involved in the case as well, and some people were speculating that UFOs were somehow involved with Snippy's death."A Denver hematologist, John H. Altshuler, reported 'Snippy's brain and abdominal organs were missing...and there was no material in the spinal column.'

The day after the grisly discovery of the mutilated pony, Agnes King and her son, Harry, "returned to the scene with Mr. and Mrs. Berle Lewis, who were Agnes' brother and sister-in-law. They found a lump of skin and horse flesh; when Mrs. Lewis touched it, the flesh oozed a greenish fluid which burned her hand. They also reported the discovery of fifteen tapering, circular exhaust marks punched into the ground over some 5000 square yards. The medicinal odor had weakened somewhat, but was still present.

"Mrs. Lewis contacted the United States Forestry Service, and Ranger Duane Martin was sent to investigate. Among other tasks, Martin checked the area with a civil defense Geiger counter. He reported finding a considerable increase in radioactivity about two city blocks from the body. Later, Martin would state, 'The death of this saddle pony is one of the most mysterious sights I've ever witnessed ... I've seen stock killed by lightning, but it was never like this.'"

Later, UFOs were reported in the vicinity. A sitting judge was one of the many witnesses. Following the sightings, speculation arose about a possible link between Snippy's mutilation and UFOs.

Since the death of Snippy, livestock mutilations spiked sharply upward. Although most of the animals killed are cattle, sometimes sheep, horses, deer, and even dogs are found mutilated. All are missing organs. All have had incredible surgery performed on them, and all are missing virtually every drop of blood.

It's estimated that tens of thousand of animals have been mutilated by unknown entities since 1973, the year that cattle mutilations skyrocketed globally.

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A pattern of atrocity

The pattern of cattle mutilations has been meticulously tracked by diligent researcher, L. Vincent Poupard. In his report titled: Revealed: Possible Reason for Cattle Mutilation, Poupard argues his case that the U.S. military is behind the incidents.

Although his arguments are well made, they cannot account for numerous UFO sightings just before or while the mutilations occured. Nor does his research account for the total absence of blood, nor the fact that more than a dozen countries are reporting cattle mutilations.

Poupard believes the sadistic surgeries are being done for several reasons. One reason is to measure radioactivity being absorbed by animal tisue, such as the radiation that swept across the USA multiple times borne by Northern Hemispheric winds from the destroyed Chernobyl nuclear reactor.

Other cases may be driven, he theorizes, by the military and medical community's response to mad cow disease.

In his report, he writes: "Through state records of mutilations, I was able to plot the dates and locations of mutilation during this time period. There was a definite pattern that started in the Western US, and ended in the Eastern US every few months. It was a wave of mutilations that started at one end of the country, and ended on the other.

"I was then able to find the path of the fallout cloud over the US. Many universities have the map of the path somewhere in their science department.

"The fallout cloud did not end up over the U.S. until the end of 1986. It would spend about two months going over the nation, and then be over non-US soil for about five months before returning.

"If you were to overlay dated maps of the mutilations, and of the fallout cloud, the paths match with 97% accuracy. Only three percent of the mutilations either did not correspond in date or location.

"In the years after the dissipation of the Chernobyl fallout cloud, cattle mutilation reports plummeted in the U.S. until the turn of the millennium. Currently, the rate of around 2000 cases of cattle mutilation a year has resumed. This corresponds with the outbreaks of mad cow disease. Cattle mutilation has also since become more prevalent in France, England, and Canada. These are all locations of severe mad cow's disease outbreaks."

As time went on, however, UFOs became more strongly associated by eyewitnesses and researchers with the mutilation incidents.

Evidence suggests ETs conduct many medical experiments

Sinister murderers from beyond

Researcher Tim Swartz reports on a United States Air Force sergeant abducted and mutilated, supposedly at the hands of aliens.

The horrific incident took place in New Mexico at the top secret, heavily guarded, White Sands Missile Test Range during 1956.

According to testimony, an Air Foce officer with the rank of major "reported that he had witnessed a disk shaped flying object kidnap Sgt. Jonathan P. Louette. Louette was missing for three days when his mutilated body was found in the dessert near the test range. Louette's genitals had been removed and his rectum cored out with surgical precision. Like many cattle mutilations, Louette's eyes had been removed and all of his blood was missing. The Air Force filed a report stating that Sgt. Louette had died of exposure after being lost in the desert."

Investigator Don Ecker notes yet another man who was mutilated 23 years later during 1979.

In his article, The Human Mutilation Factor, Ecker writes of the mysterious death of a man whose almost naked body was discovered in the Idaho wilderness. "Two hunters in the Bliss and Jerome area of Idaho had literally stumbled across the nude body of a man that had been hideously mutilated. The body was in the middle of nowhere, nude except for a pair of underpants, his sexual organs had been removed, his lips sliced off, and several other classic mutilation cuts.

"Although he was in very rugged country, his bare feet were not marked as if he had walked in that terrain, but yet no other tracks, animal or human were evident anywhere.

"After the police were notified, an intensive search was mounted, and miles away, the man's possessions were recovered, yet no one yet knows how the body ended up where it was found, or even more importantly, what happened to him.

"It should be noted that this area also had, over the years, many unexplained UFO reports and cattle mutilations."

THE FOLLOWING CONTAINS EXTREMELY GRAPHIC IMAGES OF A HUMAN HORRIFICALLY MUTILATED. DO NOT SCROLL DOWN ANY FARTHER IF YOU BELIEVE YOU WILL SUFFER EMOTIONAL TRAUMA FROM EXPOSURE TO SUCH GRAPHIC IMAGES OF ALIEN ATROCITIES.

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First documented case: ET mutilation of human

It wasn't until the surgically mutilated body of the victim was forensically analyzed that police, and researchers brought into the case, fully realized the horrific implications.

Theories that animals or cultists committed the act were discounted as evidence built that the body had been dropped from a height above tree level, no evidence existed of any disturbance to the surrounding brush or terrain, and no earthly motive could account for the ghastly murder.

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Barragem Guarapiranga reservoir in Sao Paulo, Brazil

The body of the man was discovered near the Barragem Guarapiranga reservoir in Sao Paulo, Brazil.

Because of the similarities to cattle mutations investigated in Brazil, authorities asked outside experts to assist with the investigation. Brazilian ufologist Encarnacion Zapata Garcia and Dr. Rubens Goes among several others volunteered their expertise.

During their discussions with law enforcement officers, the outside experts were informed that the reservoir murder might not be unique. At least a dozen other homocide cases existed. All those victims also had wounds and mutilation similar to cattle mutilations.

G. Cope Schellhorn documented the full case in his lengthy article for International UFO Magazine. [Reprinted in full here.] (http://www.think-aboutit.com/mutilations/Human_Mutilations.htm)

Schellhorn writes: "There have been rumors of homicidal, UFO-related, human mutilation cases for some time now but hard evidence has been lacking. Until, perhaps, now. Brazilian ufologist Encarnacion Zapata Garcia and Dr. Rubens Goes have recently presented a series of sensational photographs, obtained from police files which mimic the wounds of countless UFO-related animal mutilation cases that have been reported in Europe and North, Central and South America since the 1960s. On first glance they would seem to be ufology's worst nightmare.

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Garcia and Dr. Goes photo of victim [1]

"What is more disturbing is that Brazilian ufologists and police have intimated that there may be at least a dozen or more cases similar to the recently uncovered Guarapiranga reservoir case. If this is true, it is somewhat doubtful that any of this potential new material will ever see the light of day, given the official attitudes now prevailing in Western power circles. But we can be grateful for fortuitous disclosures, and the Guarapiranga case and it's accompanying photographs seem to be just that."

Despite the grisly condition of the nude body, police initially treated the case as just another homocide of an unidentified individual, although the circumstances and nature of the crime was shocking.

"The initial police report, however, was not extraordinary in nature except for the recognition that the body, although extremely mutilated, had not met with unusual violence; that is, there were no signs of struggle or the application of bondage of any kind."

Investigator Garcia received copies of official photographs of the victim to analyze.

"After studying the photos, Encarnacion Garcia was impressed with how similar the wounds of the body were to those found on the carcasses of so many UFO-related mutilated animals, knowledge which the original investigating police officials and medical doctors involved with the case did not possess."

The analysis

The striking parallel between livestock that's been surgically mutilated and the human cases, particularly the Guarapiranga reservoir murder, are the most deeply disturbing element. The evidence supports alien tissue and organ harvesting. The purpose of the ET's mission is unknown.

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Official Sao Paulo homicide investigation photo [2]

Schellhorn continues: "As can clearly be seen, flesh and lips have been excised around the mandibles, as is common in cattle and other animal mutilations, the autopsy report noted that 'the eyes and ears were also removed and the mouth cavity was emptied.' Removal of these body parts, including the tongue as here, is common enough in animal mutilation cases.

"As Encarnacion Garcia rightly recognized, if a comparison of the victim with animal mutilation cases is made, 'You can see they are the same--and that is also the conclusion of experienced doctors.' The doctors drew their conclusion only after they had been shown photographs of similar animal mutilation cases, cases with which they were not previously familiar.

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Official Sao Paulo homicide investigation photo [3]

"The autopsy report states: 'There has been a removal of extensive tissue along many parts of the face, head and neck of the victim...There has also been extraction of ocular tissue, eyes, auditive internal and external organs (ears) and entire parts of the head. The tongue and several muscles were also extracted."

Synopsis of the analysis

Schellhorn agrees with the conclusions reached by the Brazilian forensic experts and outside investigators. The preponderance of evidence strongly suggests a direct connection between the ongoing atrocities being committed on animals in at least 14 different countries and the discovery of human surgical mutilation cases.

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Official Sao Paulo homicide investigation photo [4]

"The kinds of cuts on the cadaver are what we have come to expect in UFO-related animal mutilation cases," Schellhorn observes. "Of primary interest is their precision. The 'surgery' (or butchery, if you will) was done with agility and care and probably with speed. The lack of profuse bleeding suggests the use of a laser-like instrument producing acute heat, thus cauterizing almost immediately the edge of the wounds."

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Official Sao Paulo homicide investigation photo [5]

"Many of the cases studied by Dr. John Altshuler in the United States exhibit this kind of high heat, rapid surgery," Schellhorn states. "Whether it would still be possible to test fragments of the flesh from the victim's wound areas is doubtful. Suffice it to say the wounds appear to be exact replicas of cases studied by Dr. Altshuler, Tom Adams, Bob Pratt, Ted Oliphant, Linda Howe, Colman VonKeviczky and myself."

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Official Sao Paulo homicide investigation photo [6]

Humans have always had to be wary of predators, both animals and other humans. Now it seems that a third predator has been added to the list—a predator that may be the most devious, diaboloical, and dangerous of all—extraterrestrial murderers.

http://beforeitsnews.com/story/2080/391/Graphic_Horrific_Proof_Aliens_Mutilating_Humans.html?currentSplittedPage=0

PS - I leave it up to the Mods if they want to remove any of these gruesome photo's...

Calz
1st May 2012, 17:42
Facing our "reality" is a "good thing" regardless of what degree we wish to do so.

Unified Serenity
1st May 2012, 17:48
I can imagine we have some Rv people who can tell us who is doing this. This is meant to instill terror. I cannot imagine they had no means to dispose of the body, so to leave it was to send a message. If they are aliens then we cannot sit blindly by and say they are all here to help us. We have proof of some very strange behavior, but we have no proof of who caused it.

seantimberwolf
1st May 2012, 18:06
My chain of thought is a person with even the smallest bit o light in there soul could not even postulate this kind of behaviour,
What's more to do this one must be complete darkness And that is not how any normal human can work.
Do I think ET's done this? Maybe but I could also be a simple case of someone who is sick in the head.
Or maybe even someone who is a hybrid and does not know it.
Maybe even under the control of ET's etc.
The pictures are good and work exactly how they are supposed to, by shocking into reality.
Thank you

Seantimberwolf

boja
1st May 2012, 18:56
Steven Greer says that the ETs have no hostile intent.

Either :- a) He's RIGHT, and this is done by the people who run the world (TPTB) using their highly advanced (beyond the public's awareness)
military and biological technology.

Or :- b) He's WRONG, and this is done by the ETs.

There are NO other possibilities, since these type of mutilations can't be done by humans with any known technology.

Ouroboros
1st May 2012, 19:23
Horrific actions indeed. That sort of thing could make people kinda scared:faint2:

wynderer
1st May 2012, 19:54
what is really horrible about the animal mutilations is that they are paralyzed but not anesthetized during the gouging -- very cruel beings running our planet

re Greer -- when any channeler or researcher says 'there are no neg ETs', i don't bother listening to what they have to say anymore

i don't think these mutilations are meant to instill terror in us -- most Humans are not going to see these photos -- but if that poor man was also paralyzed w/body sensations still remaining -- well, the ETs [or whoever -- maybe satanist Humans- ] got lots of food from the terror & pain

13th Warrior
1st May 2012, 20:12
The photos of the cow and human look like high voltage electrocution to me?

I thought alien mutilations had greater surgical precision than what is illustrated?

This isn't convincing proof to me.

Houman
1st May 2012, 21:07
Look into the research of Butch Witkowski (a 27 year veteran homicide detective)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow_DNtHl-X4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2ieM3sbwf8&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uod5FvcQN4A&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyh44aquINU&feature=relmfu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b02x3rPdGGI

wynderer
1st May 2012, 21:08
The photos of the cow and human look like high voltage electrocution to me?

I thought alien mutilations had greater surgical precision than what is illustrated?

This isn't convincing proof to me.

very bad karma racked up by whoever did this to the Bear

13th Warrior
1st May 2012, 21:23
The photos of the cow and human look like high voltage electrocution to me?

I thought alien mutilations had greater surgical precision than what is illustrated?

This isn't convincing proof to me.

very bad karma racked up by whoever did this to the Bear

Do bears experience bad karma?

The bear chewed the power lines so, i guess it was his bad karma...

LisAlien
2nd May 2012, 01:56
So odd. Although both horrific, the photo of the bear bothers my heart more than the photo(s) of the Human(s). I hate when animals get lured and hoodwinked. Fishing gives me the same heartfelt sorrow feeling too.

I doubt aliens are mutilating Human bodies. Just doesn't bode well or resonate truth with me. The cow mutilations are just an oddity to me and I can't figure that out to make any sort of sense.

wynderer
2nd May 2012, 02:47
i watched the first 4 links -- some facts from this expert investigator:

he did research back to 1990 -- worldwide, 30,000 people each year go completely missing -- totally disappear -- statistics do not include countries too poor or war-torn to report -- he is a lawman from way back & knows what he is talking about when he says totally disappeared

coroner report on one abduction that the investigator was able to obtain : all the man's sensory organs had been removed & all his blood drained

in all mutilations, animal & human, the blood is drained

coroner determined that organs & blood had been removed by some sort of a sucking device w/what he surmised was a laser tip for the actual cutting

coroner determined, by the many hematomas on the brain, that the man had been kept alive -- conscious -- during the 'mutilation'

Humans had better wake up soon -- i think i know what Jordan Maxwell was seeing when he was talking about the future he saw, w/a look of horror on his face




Look into the research of Butch Witkowski (a 27 year veteran homicide detective)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow_DNtHl-X4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2ieM3sbwf8&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uod5FvcQN4A&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyh44aquINU&feature=relmfu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b02x3rPdGGI

GoodETxSG
2nd May 2012, 02:52
The photos of the cow and human look like high voltage electrocution to me?

I thought alien mutilations had greater surgical precision than what is illustrated?

This isn't convincing proof to me.

very bad karma racked up by whoever did this to the Bear

Do bears experience bad karma?

The bear chewed the power lines so, i guess it was his bad karma...

Clever, LOL...
You tell us. You either have been or will be that bear in a former or future life. Time, future/past means nothing in any other realm than the one we are experiencing at the moment.
:clock:

UnrealDreams
2nd May 2012, 03:00
We should not lump all "ET's" into the same category. There are the reptilians and Greys who would do these types of things, and then there are benevolent ET's, which are in human form, and are our relatives.

The type of Et's who would do this are the same ones who work with the cabal. I am not religous and don't wish to have any religion based debates, but when the bible says that Satan runs this world, you'd better believe it.

wynderer
2nd May 2012, 03:02
edit to add: the first reported Human mutilation was in 1956



i watched the first 4 links -- some facts from this expert investigator:

he did research back to 1990 -- worldwide, 30,000 people each year go completely missing -- totally disappear -- statistics do not include countries too poor or war-torn to report -- he is a lawman from way back & knows what he is talking about when he says totally disappeared

coroner report on one abduction that the investigator was able to obtain : all the man's sensory organs had been removed & all his blood drained

in all mutilations, animal & human, the blood is drained

coroner determined that organs & blood had been removed by some sort of a sucking device w/what he surmised was a laser tip for the actual cutting

coroner determined, by the many hematomas on the brain, that the man had been kept alive -- conscious -- during the 'mutilation'

Humans had better wake up soon -- i think i know what Jordan Maxwell was seeing when he was talking about the future he saw, w/a look of horror on his face





Look into the research of Butch Witkowski (a 27 year veteran homicide detective)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow_DNtHl-X4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2ieM3sbwf8&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uod5FvcQN4A&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyh44aquINU&feature=relmfu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b02x3rPdGGI

Houman
2nd May 2012, 03:13
edit to add: the first reported Human mutilation was in 1956



Much older than that, see from 13:00 of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUX6ZLp9h28&feature=relmfu for cases going back to the 16th century...

UnrealDreams
2nd May 2012, 03:29
I remember when I was a child, sometimes I would be walking home, and the last 20-30' or so before I entered my home I would get a feeling that someone was trying to get me, and I would RUN the last bit to the house.

Has anyone else had this type of experience?

Of course mother comforted me by saying that there isn't anything bad out there. But, you should always trust your instincts. Our instincts are always right.

foreverfan
2nd May 2012, 03:38
I don't see this talked about much anymore. Maybe the media figured out it was them.

Cjay
2nd May 2012, 04:16
In response to the OP, I'm not convinced by the evidence presented that we can identify who or what is responsible for the mutilations. We should not be so quick to jump to conclusions, for we might accuse and retaliate against an innocent human or ET or entire race.




I remember when I was a child, sometimes I would be walking home, and the last 20-30' or so before I entered my home I would get a feeling that someone was trying to get me, and I would RUN the last bit to the house.

Has anyone else had this type of experience?

Many times, when I was a child. A few times as an adult.

OnyxKnight
2nd May 2012, 08:00
This is just when they slip something and its out there for the world to see.


There's at least 30.000 cases like this annually, that we don't bear witness too.

wynderer
2nd May 2012, 08:15
i also find it odd that from 1990 on , the years that the investigator looked at , the number of the vanished stayed at 30,000 every year, except for some spikes, at the 12 to 14% increase level, in 1991, 1995, & 2001
-- maybe 30,000 is operating at max capicity for whoever is doing this


This is just when they slip something and its out there for the world to see.


There's at least 30.000 cases like this annually, that we don't bear witness too.

SharonKay
2nd May 2012, 08:25
I see how this human mutilation case is like those found in cattle mutilations, but I dont understand why anyone, Alien or Human, would just take an ear, or an eye ball? If you want tissue and organs, why not take the whole thing? Waste not, want not. And if it was for the sake of science (and not just being brutal), why the holes in the thigh or the arm? And like someone commented earlier.. someone with laser technology performing these mutilations could certainly be more discrete in how they handle the remains of the victims. The fact that they are left out in the open for anyone to find, seems like a scare tactic. (A pretty good one, I might add.) All these clues tells me that these mutilations are more of a psychological mind **** for all of us, more than some much needed research or organ harvesting for someone else.
Thats just my opinion.

13th Warrior
3rd May 2012, 15:55
The photos of the cow and human look like high voltage electrocution to me?

I thought alien mutilations had greater surgical precision than what is illustrated?

This isn't convincing proof to me.

very bad karma racked up by whoever did this to the Bear

Do bears experience bad karma?

The bear chewed the power lines so, i guess it was his bad karma...

Clever, LOL...
You tell us. You either have been or will be that bear in a former or future life. Time, future/past means nothing in any other realm than the one we are experiencing at the moment.
:clock:

"I died a mineral, and became a plant. I died a plant and rose an animal. I died an animal and I was man. Why should I fear When was I less by dying"

Unified Serenity
3rd May 2012, 17:08
There are also a lot of human sacrifices done annually and many of those are from that 30,000 number. They know how to dispose of bodies and you won't find much evidence, but there are those from that side who do come out of it and have spoken about how this is done.

Maia Gabrial
4th May 2012, 13:42
I just wanted to point out that there's a difference between "Aliens" and "ET's". The aliens are the negative criminals of the galaxy and they (and their minions) do this sort of thing to humanity. And other lifeforms.... PLEASE KEEP THIS IN MIND!

OnyxKnight
5th May 2012, 10:38
I just wanted to point out that there's a difference between "Aliens" and "ET's". The aliens are the negative criminals of the galaxy and they (and their minions) do this sort of thing to humanity. And other lifeforms.... PLEASE KEEP THIS IN MIND!

Aliens and extraterrestrials are both very common terms describing the same thing.

Now, what some think of them individually, that's a different matter altogether.

wynderer
5th May 2012, 11:36
on Houman's Archon thread, i wrote about being sent thru my job to a mostly law-enforcement gathering, from many counties , in the early '90s

the reason for this gathering was the over 3,000 children who had disappeared from Westchester County of New York State in just the following year




This is just when they slip something and its out there for the world to see.


There's at least 30.000 cases like this annually, that we don't bear witness too.

sirdipswitch
5th May 2012, 13:10
This all is just a reminder to me, as to how our scientific community treats captives of ET's and others, (animals, humans, anything) that they deem of lessor statis than themselves. hmm.

I don't see what all the fuss is about. They are just doing as we do. hmm

love and peace
sirdipswitch

Titan Orion
5th May 2012, 13:14
We should not lump all "ET's" into the same category.

EXACTLY what I was thinking

Maia Gabrial
5th May 2012, 14:08
The word "alien" has negative connotations....
For a contactee, you should know the differences....

OnyxKnight
5th May 2012, 14:08
We should not lump all "ET's" into the same category. There are the reptilians and Greys who would do these types of things, and then there are benevolent ET's, which are in human form, and are our relatives.


UnrealDreams - I will remind you that there are also quite a few of those of the same type of species you mentioned, who are on the 'benevolent' side (the Moushura, the Dubari, the Hara Mang, the Galiban, the Vintri, etc.).

And also another reminder, that just because a species is humanoid, and human-looking, that it won't behave/act in a monstrous way.

Do you remember the Travis Walton case? Contrary to what was depicted in the (in)famous movie, the abductors were actually human-looking humanoids. And Travis remembers waking up in a place where there were many human remains who seemed to be mutilated, having missing body parts and what not.

I agree that we shouldn't put all of them in the same category, but that also applies to existing categories ("Greys", "Reptoids", "Nordics", etc.) not all of each category are 'negative' and not all are also 'positive'.

wynderer
5th May 2012, 15:04
bumping this, as the thread is devolving into a discussion of good ETs/bad ETs /cosmic racism

meanwhile, back at the ranch, some nasty stuff is going on


WARNING [GRAPHIC] PHOTO's

DO NOT GO ANY FURTHER - Either that or get a bucket...

Mods if some of these pictures are too Graphic, I will remove them...

Tuesday, 1 May 2012

Some say there's no hell. They're wrong. Hell's on Earth when the Visitors come. For some it's a terrifying abduction in the dead of night when nightmares become reality. For others, it's an implant inserted subcutaneously in the most inaccessible spot: tagged and tracked like an animal. But animals fared far worse: mutilations, incisions, and extracted organs…Operations performed by emotionless, methodical, sadistic surgeons from beyond.


Investigators long believed humans escaped such heinous atrocities…Until NOW..!

THE FOLLOWING ARTICLE CONTAINS EXTREMELY GRAPHIC IMAGES. HORRIFIC PHOTOS OF LIVESTOCK AND A HUMAN VICTIM MUTILATED IN CHILLING WAYS. DO NOT READ THIS ARTICLE IF YOU BELIEVE YOU WILL SUFFER EMOTIONAL TRAUMA FROM EXPOSURE TO SUCH IMAGES.

Note: The images included in this article are, to the best of the author's knowledge, not fraudulent, faked, manipulated, or enhanced in any way. They represent true and accurate photographic records from law enforcement and UFO researchers' investigations into cases of what's become known as cattle mutilations, and the emerging terror of human abduction and murder-mutilation.

While the photos are deeply disturbing, the images of the Brazilian man thought to have been abducted and callously mutilated by extraterrestrials in the same fashion as livestock are deeply psychologically disturbing and may have lasting emotional effects on those that view them.

The origin of cattle mutilations

For those that still believe that the occupants of UFOs are all kindly, beneficient space brothers, they've never read the details of human abductions or seen the grisly photographs of cattle mutilations, also called bovine excisions.

Although most cattle mutilation reports surfaced since the media paid intense attention to a celebrated Alamosa, Colorado case from 1967, reports of livestock abduction go back much further.

Reports in some local newspapers from the 1920s and 1930s allude to cattle being found in fields with strange cuts and holes in their bodies and drained completely of blood—although where the blood went no one ever discovered.

Nineteenth Century England also had cases of livestock mutilated and killed under very mysterious circumstances. After one incident, where more than 30 sheep were found mutilated and drained of blood, terrifed villagers scoured the countryside hunting for a vampire.

Cases of cattle mutilations tend to follow certain patterns across the United States. The incidents also occur outside of the U.S., occurring in Canada, some European countries, Brazil and Argentina.

The most striking features of the mutilations include surgical procedures described by investigators as looking like laser incisions; organs are removed, including eyes; and in virtually every case the rectal organs and reproductive organs have been excised leaving only gaping cavities. In literally every case identified as an actual bovine excision, no blood is found in or anywhere near the animal.

Despite careful investigations by police at the scene, no footprints or trace of anyone approaching or leaving the carcass is ever found.

Natural animal predators avoid the carcass, despite gaping wounds and exposed organs.

Some cases exhibit higher levels of strangeness. Elevated levels of radiation are detected in the vicinity of some of the animals. Odd aerial vehicles are witnessed. The appearance of the UFOs range from glowing orbs, cylindrical craft and classic flying saucers to paramilitary, unmarked black helicopters.

The modern era of cattle mutilations

The case that started the modern era of cattle mutilations involved a 3-year-old pony named Lady that the newspapers of the time dubbed "Snippy."

Snippy had many of what later became the classic mutilations of other livestock across the West. A strong medicinal odor was also detected near the savagely mutilated animal.

Ellie Crystal of the website Crystalinks writes "The civilian UFO research group NICAP became involved in the case as well, and some people were speculating that UFOs were somehow involved with Snippy's death."A Denver hematologist, John H. Altshuler, reported 'Snippy's brain and abdominal organs were missing...and there was no material in the spinal column.'

The day after the grisly discovery of the mutilated pony, Agnes King and her son, Harry, "returned to the scene with Mr. and Mrs. Berle Lewis, who were Agnes' brother and sister-in-law. They found a lump of skin and horse flesh; when Mrs. Lewis touched it, the flesh oozed a greenish fluid which burned her hand. They also reported the discovery of fifteen tapering, circular exhaust marks punched into the ground over some 5000 square yards. The medicinal odor had weakened somewhat, but was still present.

"Mrs. Lewis contacted the United States Forestry Service, and Ranger Duane Martin was sent to investigate. Among other tasks, Martin checked the area with a civil defense Geiger counter. He reported finding a considerable increase in radioactivity about two city blocks from the body. Later, Martin would state, 'The death of this saddle pony is one of the most mysterious sights I've ever witnessed ... I've seen stock killed by lightning, but it was never like this.'"

Later, UFOs were reported in the vicinity. A sitting judge was one of the many witnesses. Following the sightings, speculation arose about a possible link between Snippy's mutilation and UFOs.

Since the death of Snippy, livestock mutilations spiked sharply upward. Although most of the animals killed are cattle, sometimes sheep, horses, deer, and even dogs are found mutilated. All are missing organs. All have had incredible surgery performed on them, and all are missing virtually every drop of blood.

It's estimated that tens of thousand of animals have been mutilated by unknown entities since 1973, the year that cattle mutilations skyrocketed globally.

http://beforeitsnews.com/ckfinder/userfiles/0000000000005477/images/cat_mut.jpg

A pattern of atrocity

The pattern of cattle mutilations has been meticulously tracked by diligent researcher, L. Vincent Poupard. In his report titled: Revealed: Possible Reason for Cattle Mutilation, Poupard argues his case that the U.S. military is behind the incidents.

Although his arguments are well made, they cannot account for numerous UFO sightings just before or while the mutilations occured. Nor does his research account for the total absence of blood, nor the fact that more than a dozen countries are reporting cattle mutilations.

Poupard believes the sadistic surgeries are being done for several reasons. One reason is to measure radioactivity being absorbed by animal tisue, such as the radiation that swept across the USA multiple times borne by Northern Hemispheric winds from the destroyed Chernobyl nuclear reactor.

Other cases may be driven, he theorizes, by the military and medical community's response to mad cow disease.

In his report, he writes: "Through state records of mutilations, I was able to plot the dates and locations of mutilation during this time period. There was a definite pattern that started in the Western US, and ended in the Eastern US every few months. It was a wave of mutilations that started at one end of the country, and ended on the other.

"I was then able to find the path of the fallout cloud over the US. Many universities have the map of the path somewhere in their science department.

"The fallout cloud did not end up over the U.S. until the end of 1986. It would spend about two months going over the nation, and then be over non-US soil for about five months before returning.

"If you were to overlay dated maps of the mutilations, and of the fallout cloud, the paths match with 97% accuracy. Only three percent of the mutilations either did not correspond in date or location.

"In the years after the dissipation of the Chernobyl fallout cloud, cattle mutilation reports plummeted in the U.S. until the turn of the millennium. Currently, the rate of around 2000 cases of cattle mutilation a year has resumed. This corresponds with the outbreaks of mad cow disease. Cattle mutilation has also since become more prevalent in France, England, and Canada. These are all locations of severe mad cow's disease outbreaks."

As time went on, however, UFOs became more strongly associated by eyewitnesses and researchers with the mutilation incidents.

Evidence suggests ETs conduct many medical experiments

Sinister murderers from beyond

Researcher Tim Swartz reports on a United States Air Force sergeant abducted and mutilated, supposedly at the hands of aliens.

The horrific incident took place in New Mexico at the top secret, heavily guarded, White Sands Missile Test Range during 1956.

According to testimony, an Air Foce officer with the rank of major "reported that he had witnessed a disk shaped flying object kidnap Sgt. Jonathan P. Louette. Louette was missing for three days when his mutilated body was found in the dessert near the test range. Louette's genitals had been removed and his rectum cored out with surgical precision. Like many cattle mutilations, Louette's eyes had been removed and all of his blood was missing. The Air Force filed a report stating that Sgt. Louette had died of exposure after being lost in the desert."

Investigator Don Ecker notes yet another man who was mutilated 23 years later during 1979.

In his article, The Human Mutilation Factor, Ecker writes of the mysterious death of a man whose almost naked body was discovered in the Idaho wilderness. "Two hunters in the Bliss and Jerome area of Idaho had literally stumbled across the nude body of a man that had been hideously mutilated. The body was in the middle of nowhere, nude except for a pair of underpants, his sexual organs had been removed, his lips sliced off, and several other classic mutilation cuts.

"Although he was in very rugged country, his bare feet were not marked as if he had walked in that terrain, but yet no other tracks, animal or human were evident anywhere.

"After the police were notified, an intensive search was mounted, and miles away, the man's possessions were recovered, yet no one yet knows how the body ended up where it was found, or even more importantly, what happened to him.

"It should be noted that this area also had, over the years, many unexplained UFO reports and cattle mutilations."

THE FOLLOWING CONTAINS EXTREMELY GRAPHIC IMAGES OF A HUMAN HORRIFICALLY MUTILATED. DO NOT SCROLL DOWN ANY FARTHER IF YOU BELIEVE YOU WILL SUFFER EMOTIONAL TRAUMA FROM EXPOSURE TO SUCH GRAPHIC IMAGES OF ALIEN ATROCITIES.

http://beforeitsnews.com/ckfinder/userfiles/0000000000005477/images/Human_mut_diagram2.jpg

First documented case: ET mutilation of human

It wasn't until the surgically mutilated body of the victim was forensically analyzed that police, and researchers brought into the case, fully realized the horrific implications.

Theories that animals or cultists committed the act were discounted as evidence built that the body had been dropped from a height above tree level, no evidence existed of any disturbance to the surrounding brush or terrain, and no earthly motive could account for the ghastly murder.

http://beforeitsnews.com/ckfinder/userfiles/0000000000005477/images/Barragem_Guarapiranga-Sao_Paulo.jpg
Barragem Guarapiranga reservoir in Sao Paulo, Brazil

The body of the man was discovered near the Barragem Guarapiranga reservoir in Sao Paulo, Brazil.

Because of the similarities to cattle mutations investigated in Brazil, authorities asked outside experts to assist with the investigation. Brazilian ufologist Encarnacion Zapata Garcia and Dr. Rubens Goes among several others volunteered their expertise.

During their discussions with law enforcement officers, the outside experts were informed that the reservoir murder might not be unique. At least a dozen other homocide cases existed. All those victims also had wounds and mutilation similar to cattle mutilations.

G. Cope Schellhorn documented the full case in his lengthy article for International UFO Magazine. [Reprinted in full here.] (http://www.think-aboutit.com/mutilations/Human_Mutilations.htm)

Schellhorn writes: "There have been rumors of homicidal, UFO-related, human mutilation cases for some time now but hard evidence has been lacking. Until, perhaps, now. Brazilian ufologist Encarnacion Zapata Garcia and Dr. Rubens Goes have recently presented a series of sensational photographs, obtained from police files which mimic the wounds of countless UFO-related animal mutilation cases that have been reported in Europe and North, Central and South America since the 1960s. On first glance they would seem to be ufology's worst nightmare.

http://beforeitsnews.com/ckfinder/userfiles/0000000000005477/images/HM_01.jpg

Garcia and Dr. Goes photo of victim [1]

"What is more disturbing is that Brazilian ufologists and police have intimated that there may be at least a dozen or more cases similar to the recently uncovered Guarapiranga reservoir case. If this is true, it is somewhat doubtful that any of this potential new material will ever see the light of day, given the official attitudes now prevailing in Western power circles. But we can be grateful for fortuitous disclosures, and the Guarapiranga case and it's accompanying photographs seem to be just that."

Despite the grisly condition of the nude body, police initially treated the case as just another homocide of an unidentified individual, although the circumstances and nature of the crime was shocking.

"The initial police report, however, was not extraordinary in nature except for the recognition that the body, although extremely mutilated, had not met with unusual violence; that is, there were no signs of struggle or the application of bondage of any kind."

Investigator Garcia received copies of official photographs of the victim to analyze.

"After studying the photos, Encarnacion Garcia was impressed with how similar the wounds of the body were to those found on the carcasses of so many UFO-related mutilated animals, knowledge which the original investigating police officials and medical doctors involved with the case did not possess."

The analysis

The striking parallel between livestock that's been surgically mutilated and the human cases, particularly the Guarapiranga reservoir murder, are the most deeply disturbing element. The evidence supports alien tissue and organ harvesting. The purpose of the ET's mission is unknown.

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Official Sao Paulo homicide investigation photo [2]

Schellhorn continues: "As can clearly be seen, flesh and lips have been excised around the mandibles, as is common in cattle and other animal mutilations, the autopsy report noted that 'the eyes and ears were also removed and the mouth cavity was emptied.' Removal of these body parts, including the tongue as here, is common enough in animal mutilation cases.

"As Encarnacion Garcia rightly recognized, if a comparison of the victim with animal mutilation cases is made, 'You can see they are the same--and that is also the conclusion of experienced doctors.' The doctors drew their conclusion only after they had been shown photographs of similar animal mutilation cases, cases with which they were not previously familiar.

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Official Sao Paulo homicide investigation photo [3]

"The autopsy report states: 'There has been a removal of extensive tissue along many parts of the face, head and neck of the victim...There has also been extraction of ocular tissue, eyes, auditive internal and external organs (ears) and entire parts of the head. The tongue and several muscles were also extracted."

Synopsis of the analysis

Schellhorn agrees with the conclusions reached by the Brazilian forensic experts and outside investigators. The preponderance of evidence strongly suggests a direct connection between the ongoing atrocities being committed on animals in at least 14 different countries and the discovery of human surgical mutilation cases.

http://beforeitsnews.com/ckfinder/userfiles/0000000000005477/images/HM_04.jpg
Official Sao Paulo homicide investigation photo [4]

"The kinds of cuts on the cadaver are what we have come to expect in UFO-related animal mutilation cases," Schellhorn observes. "Of primary interest is their precision. The 'surgery' (or butchery, if you will) was done with agility and care and probably with speed. The lack of profuse bleeding suggests the use of a laser-like instrument producing acute heat, thus cauterizing almost immediately the edge of the wounds."

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Official Sao Paulo homicide investigation photo [5]

"Many of the cases studied by Dr. John Altshuler in the United States exhibit this kind of high heat, rapid surgery," Schellhorn states. "Whether it would still be possible to test fragments of the flesh from the victim's wound areas is doubtful. Suffice it to say the wounds appear to be exact replicas of cases studied by Dr. Altshuler, Tom Adams, Bob Pratt, Ted Oliphant, Linda Howe, Colman VonKeviczky and myself."

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Official Sao Paulo homicide investigation photo [6]

Humans have always had to be wary of predators, both animals and other humans. Now it seems that a third predator has been added to the list—a predator that may be the most devious, diaboloical, and dangerous of all—extraterrestrial murderers.

http://beforeitsnews.com/story/2080/391/Graphic_Horrific_Proof_Aliens_Mutilating_Humans.html?currentSplittedPage=0

PS - I leave it up to the Mods if they want to remove any of these gruesome photo's...

boja
5th May 2012, 16:17
I agree with the original posting :-

That these mutilations & killings of both humans & animals needs to be brought forward for the general public's awareness.
It is their right to know.

If it's done by Extra-Terrestrials/Extra-Dimensionals, then consider that a few thousand per year is a lot less than the MILLIONS done by us humans during all the wars ! (Obviously it's still WRONG and needs to be stopped as soon as possible).

If it's done by the people who run the world (TPTB) using their programmed life forms (PLF) and advanced technology, then it's about what we could expect from their EVIL MINDSET.

Taken By The Greys
5th May 2012, 17:15
This topic is something that I have yet touched on much with others..except with a few abductees and that's it.

This is something I would like to share..please excuse my non-direct approach..as I feel I need to detail somewhat of what happened to me.

It was during a summer at my lake when I was helping a friend with building his log home in the Parkland Region of Manitoba. I finished supper at the site and left.

I had just shut the property gate and jumped back into my truck. I had this very cold feeling come over me and the unmistakeable feeling you get when you are being watched.

I drove a couple miles down a back road that is hardly used. The feeling never left and without seeing anything around ..the feeling was intensifying.

I just turned on to a more traveled gravel road and suddenly the area lit up and I looked to see a white disc craft behind me and above.

Having had many sightings and close encounters..took the shock away..but my natural reaction still leads to adrenaline starting to pump into my body.

I climbed a small hill the road went up and as soon as I had past it..the craft soon was coming over the hill and still following me.. I increased the speed of the truck..and the craft..just disappeared.

I knew that it was not gone..I was still sensing them as I had..before the craft showed itself.

The craft soon appeared to my drivers side..and it was again glowing white. It appeared to be the same shape as two soup bowls put together. It was around 50 feet away and riding just above the trees..at around 30 feet.

My heart was racing..and..I knew I couldn't stop... or I would be in trouble..

I knew that they could stop me..anytime they wanted...and I was not about to volunteer.

What I did pick up from them..as they followed me for 5 miles was that they were there for dissection. I knew exactly what that feeling was...They were there for mutilations of animals. They were not there for me...BUT..I knew that if I did stop..I would likely end up like so many animals that are discovered. The feeling of being scared could not be stopped..I was.

I finally got to my lake..and turned north. The craft sat at the gravel corner and I gunned it as I saw it was no longer following me. It did not follow me to the cabin. I got of my truck looking up..but feeling that the coast was clear for now...and I went in.

It was some time later..in the end of winter (March) that I came across recent animal mutilations that occurred in Argentina. The farmer that brought the attention to it..claimed to have seen a craft...and it was described..just like mine. I knew that it was them..the greys..

I know that I am a lucky person to have been abducted and returned..but I know that the lucky part was being returned...alive.

Most people do not have a clue..and ..so many theories get tossed into truth distorting it.

There have been past human mutilations that have slipped into the public eye..but it is rare that it does happen.

The last time I ever head of it..was in NYC and it was several years ago that a body was found..and it was..mutilated very much like animals are that are found after lights being seen.

That story was covered up within a few days..and no trace left of it..that I can find.

There really is so much more to what is taking place on earth..than what the governments..will ever reveal to the public.

Anyway..I just wanted to add to this thread...with my own experience and what I have learned.

Thanks.

wynderer
5th May 2012, 17:35
thank you for this, Taken By The Greys -- just wanted to comment that your experience shows the usefulness of feeling fear -- it's a natual response to DANGER

most prefer to hear about the 'benevolent' ETs, who seem to mostly give cheery messages re not feeling fear & that everything's copacetic


This topic is something that I have yet touched on much with others..except with a few abductees and that's it.

This is something I would like to share..please excuse my non-direct approach..as I feel I need to detail somewhat of what happened to me.

It was during a summer at my lake when I was helping a friend with building his log home in the Parkland Region of Manitoba. I finished supper at the site and left.

I had just shut the property gate and jumped back into my truck. I had this very cold feeling come over me and the unmistakeable feeling you get when you are being watched.

I drove a couple miles down a back road that is hardly used. The feeling never left and without seeing anything around ..the feeling was intensifying.

I just turned on to a more traveled gravel road and suddenly the area lit up and I looked to see a white disc craft behind me and above.

Having had many sightings and close encounters..took the shock away..but my natural reaction still leads to adrenaline starting to pump into my body.

I climbed a small hill the road went up and as soon as I had past it..the craft soon was coming over the hill and still following me.. I increased the speed of the truck..and the craft..just disappeared.

I knew that it was not gone..I was still sensing them as I had..before the craft showed itself.

The craft soon appeared to my drivers side..and it was again glowing white. It appeared to be the same shape as two soup bowls put together. It was around 50 feet away and riding just above the trees..at around 30 feet.

My heart was racing..and..I knew I couldn't stop... or I would be in trouble..

I knew that they could stop me..anytime they wanted...and I was not about to volunteer.

What I did pick up from them..as they followed me for 5 miles was that they were there for dissection. I knew exactly what that feeling was...They were there for mutilations of animals. They were not there for me...BUT..I knew that if I did stop..I would likely end up like so many animals that are discovered. The feeling of being scared could not be stopped..I was.

I finally got to my lake..and turned north. The craft sat at the gravel corner and I gunned it as I saw it was no longer following me. It did not follow me to the cabin. I got of my truck looking up..but feeling that the coast was clear for now...and I went in.

It was some time later..in the end of winter (March) that I came across recent animal mutilations that occurred in Argentina. The farmer that brought the attention to it..claimed to have seen a craft...and it was described..just like mine. I knew that it was them..the greys..

I know that I am a lucky person to have been abducted and returned..but I know that the lucky part was being returned...alive.

Most people do not have a clue..and ..so many theories get tossed into truth distorting it.

There have been past human mutilations that have slipped into the public eye..but it is rare that it does happen.

The last time I ever head of it..was in NYC and it was several years ago that a body was found..and it was..mutilated very much like animals are that are found after lights being seen.

That story was covered up within a few days..and no trace left of it..that I can find.

There really is so much more to what is taking place on earth..than what the governments..will ever reveal to the public.

Anyway..I just wanted to add to this thread...with my own experience and what I have learned.

Thanks.

jjjones
5th May 2012, 19:34
Cjay, jump to conclusion is right on. it is unhealthy for us to "underestimate/overestimate" what we humans are capable of doing. there is A LOT of secret/underground technology that HAS NOT been disclosed to us and we are not aware of this technology and sometimes assume that it is from somewhere out there. i was taught by my father as a youngster to believe a half of what you see and nothing that you hear. follow up on it and discern first. so far this has worked for me approximately 95% of the time. TO: Unreal Dreams, i have had the experience of that feeling many many times in my youth and i also heard my name being softly said, i would sprint home as fast as my legs could get me there. this post is very interesting and thank all of you for your insight and informative replies. namaste, peace and love universally :)

Taken By The Greys
5th May 2012, 21:21
thank you for this, Taken By The Greys -- just wanted to comment that your experience shows the usefulness of feeling fear -- it's a natual response to DANGER

most prefer to hear about the 'benevolent' ETs, who seem to mostly give cheery messages re not feeling fear & that everything's copacetic

Hello wynderer. I see no benefit to the fear factor with ET..Fear will not prevent things from occurring..if ET has intentions.. It matters not how many times one is abducted...One will never feel safe around them, at least the greys..and MIBs that I was taken by.




I do not know of any actual physical abductees by the greys..that have "cheery messages" from them.

I do not bother with"love and light" nor do I bother with people who "claim" to channel ET.
There are so many people that think they know..though they do not..To be very honest...unless you have been abducted by the greys...you really have no clue to how it changes who you are..and how you perceive this world there after.

The greys have no emotion..and...there is certainly no love or light from within them.

I have been up at my lake a number of times this year..and..I have met two more locals..that see crafts..including a close encounter by one of them.
I have talked to farmers..I am always trying to find out if there are any animal mutilations happening there..It is rare that the local farmers share those things openly.

There are sightings of crafts..close encounters..and from time to time through the years..even crop circles..I know that the mutilations are going on..but..perhaps it is not being focused as it is in other areas..What I mean is..

Perhaps it is because of all the wildlife..moose, deer, elk, bears, cougars, wolves etc.. that the farmer's livestock are spared. The amount of UFO activity says that there should be numerous mutilations occurring to farmers livestock...

I really do not have any idea what they want by doing mutilations..but then again..I do know how the greys are nothing like us..and trying to think like them..or to think THEY think like us..is moot.

If the greys were here to harm us...then things would not be as easily kept a secret as it is..The are not here to help us either..and so..that puts us pretty much in the middle of this mess.

I see much of what we face..as part of life.....though many think..it is not real...I know that so much of it is..

It is disheartening to me when we are continuously misdirected, lied to..and soon to be blindsided by the confusion and mistrust.

We should not live in fear..but we should stand up for truth..even if the truth goes against everything you have been conditioned to believe.

wynderer
5th May 2012, 21:42
Taken -- from your post:

'Having had many sightings and close encounters..took the shock away..but my natural reaction still leads to adrenaline starting to pump into my body.'

this is what i meant by fear being a useful physiological/emotional response -- the adrenals kicking in is also commonly referred to as the fight or flight reaction -- if you were standing there agog, waiting to be contacted by your space bros -- well, you yourself made the connection between the ship & mutilations

if you read my story of my abduction by a Reptilian at the beginning of the thread, i think you'll see that i do not live in fear of the Reptilians or other abductors -- i tend to fight back & not keep my big mouth shut -- most abductees are silent

wyn

Houman
5th May 2012, 21:50
Do you see the analogy?

http://toxichominid.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/rhino_poached_chinese_medicine.jpg



http://drstevebest.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/ele2.jpg

http://www.britannica.com/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/sealmn002-cu3.jpg

http://talkvietnam.com/uploads/2012/04/bear-lies-unconscious-bear-farm-ha-long-town-quang-ninh-province-315583.jpg
http://www.ejfoundation.org/modules/PagEd/medipics/The%20extracted%20bear%20bile.jpg

...can the bear understand why its bile is being harvested?...

wynderer
5th May 2012, 22:35
the desensitization of Humans to the cruelty to their brothers & sisters, the Animals -- this goes on in all cultures, in all countries, thru all recorded Human history -- this cuts Humans off from their hearts, from compassion

it is also a collective building up of mass collective karma


Do you see the analogy?

http://toxichominid.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/rhino_poached_chinese_medicine.jpg



http://drstevebest.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/ele2.jpg

http://www.britannica.com/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/sealmn002-cu3.jpg

http://talkvietnam.com/uploads/2012/04/bear-lies-unconscious-bear-farm-ha-long-town-quang-ninh-province-315583.jpg
http://www.ejfoundation.org/modules/PagEd/medipics/The%20extracted%20bear%20bile.jpg

...can the bear understand why its bile is being harvested?...

Vitalux
5th May 2012, 23:16
The photos of the cow and human look like high voltage electrocution to me?

I thought alien mutilations had greater surgical precision than what is illustrated?

This isn't convincing proof to me.


Well...tell you what my fellow Avalonian,
If by chance I ever find your corpse in my neck of the woods with your rectum cored out, with the complete absence of all your blood as well as most of your reproduction organs.
Even though teams of medical experts state that your corpse has been mutilated by sophisticated medical procedures by some unknown assailant, I shall be sure to just dismiss it and tell your family that you must have been chewing on a high voltage cable and then you either ate the evidence of the high voltage cable or you made it vanish to hide your suicide

:high5:

boja
6th May 2012, 09:23
The genuine human/animal mutilation phenomena do indeed show examples of extreme precision (laser - like) in the wounds.

Unfortunately, the photos don't always do the subject justice.

Craig
9th May 2012, 06:04
Many cultures of the world treat animals in much the same way, take for example the show Iron Chef, there were times when the chosen food was an animal and they were just pulled from the tanks or cages and had limbs ripped off or cut with a cleaver and in 40 mins were being eaten by the judges. Also fish being cut, deep fried and placed on serving plate still alive. I can't judge, I eat meat and I am unsure if it was dispatched in a humane way, but when forced to think about it like this has I get that deep sadness in the core of my being plus the guilt of hyprocrisy. I don't envy the idea of being a meal for someone else up the food chain either.

In the past this type of post would have scared the fecal matter out of me, but not now??? Just have that infinite sadness feeling like being the smallest cog in the largest clock, but an evil and not required clock. I hope no animals were killed in the prepartion of the beer i am going to have tonight.

Cjay
9th May 2012, 07:40
The genuine human/animal mutilation phenomena do indeed show examples of extreme precision (laser - like) in the wounds.

If anyone thinks we don't have the technology to do "extreme" precision surgery, think again. This technology has been on the market since the early 1990s and it has come a long way since then. Robotic surgery systems, such as the one in the video below, have a variety of attachments for grasping, cutting and cauterizing, including lasers. These systems are capable of doing sub-millimetre precision surgery.

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pugwash84
9th May 2012, 09:40
The mutilations are scary and horrible no matter who did them. I would not want them happening to me by human or alien. It is scary to think that ET's/ aliens would do anything like this, but even scarier is the thought of a human doing this!!! Sometimes I think these things are set up scare tactics because scared people are easier to control, but another part of me can see that humans are capable of doing such horrible things so it wouldn't surprise me if this is some sort of wacko human nut job doing this. Scary times.

boja
9th May 2012, 10:32
YES, we have the technology to do extreme precision robotic surgery in highly advanced medical centres.

NO, we don't have the technology to do it OUTDOORS, in the POURING RAIN, in THE DARK, miles from ELECTRICITY, in ROUGH TERRAIN, and
leaving absolutely no traces.

Such are the conditions where the majority of Animal & Human Mutilations are found.

wynderer
9th May 2012, 10:47
they are not trying to scare you -- the NWO goes to great lengths to keep secret all the Human mutilations & the numbers of missing children [the ones who are countable, because many go 'missing' in war-torn countries]

what you should be scared about -- fear being Mother Nature working in your body to alert you to DANGER so that you can respond & survive -- is that these things are going on so quietly -- kind of like the way all the lab experiments on your brothers & sisters, the Animals, are done secretly

i'm always trying to understand Humans -- from reading responses to this thread & to what Vivek & Houman have been posting about ritual sacrifices ,etc -- i get the impression that most Humans who even bother to read about these things -- it seems that most of you instantly go thru all kinds of mental gymnastics , allowing yourself to come to the conclusion, 'This can't & won't happen to me'

well, yes, unfortunately -- it can happen to you -- there are very cruel beings running this planet from behind the scenes, & each passing day they are gaining more & more power -- a Dulce -like world is entirely possible

best defense -- Love & compassion -- how many of you cried for the mutilated man & for the animals in the photos? -- having compassion on this planet is extremely painful

For Whom the Bell Tolls
by John Donne

No man is an island,
Entire of itself.
Each is a piece of the continent,
A part of the main.
If a clod be washed away by the sea,
Europe is the less.
As well as if a promontory were.
As well as if a manner of thine own
Or of thine friend's were.
Each man's death diminishes me,
For I am involved in mankind.
Therefore, send not to know
For whom the bell tolls,
It tolls for thee.




The mutilations are scary and horrible no matter who did them. I would not want them happening to me by human or alien. It is scary to think that ET's/ aliens would do anything like this, but even scarier is the thought of a human doing this!!! Sometimes I think these things are set up scare tactics because scared people are easier to control, but another part of me can see that humans are capable of doing such horrible things so it wouldn't surprise me if this is some sort of wacko human nut job doing this. Scary times.

Explodey
9th May 2012, 10:50
Disinfo...

wynderer
9th May 2012, 10:56
Disinfo...

imo, denial -- on your part

Explodey
9th May 2012, 11:11
...indeed... filtered retardation. we are the aliens imo.

watch, feel, and see for yourself...

stop pointing fingers my friend.

wynderer
9th May 2012, 11:27
are you one of the aliens supporting Animal & Human mutilations?

pls give info & sources re Humans being aliens -- channeled info not acceptable


...indeed... filtered retardation. we are the aliens imo.

watch, feel, and see for yourself...

stop pointing fingers my friend.

Explodey
9th May 2012, 12:02
yes


:ufo:

:cow:

:gaah:

boja
9th May 2012, 15:48
Interesting to note that -

NO-ONE PERSON has ever been convicted for doing a GENUINE Animal or Human Mutilation !!

MMA_Fan
9th May 2012, 16:41
Looking at it from a blank slate;

Someone returning a body to be found easily is not worried about leaving a trace.
Someone like a serial killer likes to show off their handiwork.
However, a serial killer would lack the tools to carry out the work, make the body disappear for so long and do it in different places all over the world.
The lack of footprints around vehicles and the ability to drop bodies - without traces or marks of movement whilst putting the body on the ground, would indicate the body put there from 'above'.
Judging from the witness accounts of crafts, the aerial technology is out of reach of the public.
Aliens ' ET's don't need to harvest these organs surely.
This isn't in the public knowledge much. Those who seem to know most about it is the government.

My guess is that it is a psy-op or a framing.
Maybe from an ET presence, maybe a shadow entity within a government - or even warring governments?

Cjay
10th May 2012, 09:38
YES, we have the technology to do extreme precision robotic surgery in highly advanced medical centres.

NO, we don't have the technology to do it OUTDOORS, in the POURING RAIN, in THE DARK, miles from ELECTRICITY, in ROUGH TERRAIN, and
leaving absolutely no traces.

Such are the conditions where the majority of Animal & Human Mutilations are found.

Did you read the part about the bodies apparently being dropped form the sky?

wynderer
10th May 2012, 10:00
YES, we have the technology to do extreme precision robotic surgery in highly advanced medical centres.

NO, we don't have the technology to do it OUTDOORS, in the POURING RAIN, in THE DARK, miles from ELECTRICITY, in ROUGH TERRAIN, and
leaving absolutely no traces.

Such are the conditions where the majority of Animal & Human Mutilations are found.

Did you read the part about the bodies apparently being dropped form the sky?

Cjay -- that reminded me -- i read somewhere that in one city, mutilated homeless men had been found dumped on rooftops -- if i can remember where, i'll post a link

also remember that there is a network of silence around this, as w/all the missing children -- those who are called to these crime scenes in their official capacities have an idea that somethin ain't right...

boja
10th May 2012, 11:09
" bodies apparently being dropped form the sky "

QUITE RIGHT, from above appears to be the obvious answer.

BUTCH WITKOWSKY, many years a Police Officer, when called to investigate -
He knew "Something ain't right".
He's worth Googling.

wynderer
10th May 2012, 11:16
are you saying, yes, you are one of the beings involved in Human mutilations? my one Grey clone friend did tell me ,'We're getting more brazen' when i told her something about my other Grey clone friend




yes


:ufo:

:cow:

:gaah:

wynderer
18th May 2012, 10:23
i found this as the description of a youtube video that actually only showed images of Reptilians thru history -- more mutilations ? -- or are they taking the missing Humans directly to the DUMBs [reseve food source for rough times ahead] ?

Odd Disappearances
Date: 03-25-12
Host: George Knapp
Guests: David Paulides
People are vanishing without a trace from our national parks and forests, yet government agencies are saying nothing. David Paulides, a former lawman turned investigative journalist joins George Knapp for a discussion on a series of weird and odd disappearances in U.S. parks that no one to this day can explain.

Website(s):
nabigfootsearch.com
Book(s):
Missing 411
The Hoopa Project: Big Foot Encounters in California.

Kerrigan
18th May 2012, 22:08
And that Steven Greer from the Disclosure project says that all aliens are benevolent... wrooong!

ghostrider
18th May 2012, 22:49
uncle GR thinks the ptb do the mutilations and make it look as if ET is hostile. and advanced race could study humans all they want without being barbarians like our local idiots. the ET's can learn all about us from a single cell. this is my gut feeling I have no proof , only a thought. what do you guys and gals think ??

wynderer
19th May 2012, 02:29
i think Uncle GR should read this thread thru thoroughly, then spend a lot of time reading Houman's Horus-Ra thread, & then get back to us


uncle GR thinks the ptb do the mutilations and make it look as if ET is hostile. and advanced race could study humans all they want without being barbarians like our local idiots. the ET's can learn all about us from a single cell. this is my gut feeling I have no proof , only a thought. what do you guys and gals think ??

Strat
19th May 2012, 02:54
Hell's on Earth when the Visitors come.

I will never forget that line.

These images are horrible, but I think it's important to see them. When those horrible holocaust documentaries come on I force myself to watch them no matter how bad they are. I remind myself nothing is stopping any 'power' from bringing back something similar.

ghostrider
19th May 2012, 03:31
i think Uncle GR should read this thread thru thoroughly, then spend a lot of time reading Houman's Horus-Ra thread, & then get back to us


uncle GR thinks the ptb do the mutilations and make it look as if ET is hostile. and advanced race could study humans all they want without being barbarians like our local idiots. the ET's can learn all about us from a single cell. this is my gut feeling I have no proof , only a thought. what do you guys and gals think ??

I'm back , still think ET's don't need to disect us to learn something they already know.

East Sun
19th May 2012, 03:45
It might be that some ETs want body parts for transplants or experimentation or even creations of different kinds.

On the other hand there may be cults with weird beliefs. Who knows?
It is strange that experts could not find clues of some kind at the scenes.

wynderer
19th May 2012, 14:12
pls watch videos & read all info provided before posting --this would be a good way to make Avalon into 'the best forum in the world,' imo


It might be that some ETs want body parts for transplants or experimentation or even creations of different kinds.

On the other hand there may be cults with weird beliefs. Who knows?
It is strange that experts could not find clues of some kind at the scenes.

Tophaceous
6th December 2012, 19:49
During my teenage years I lived in Denver Colorado. At the time (early 80's) cattle mutilations were becoming so common they were actually covered, seriously even, by the local press, print and TV. A reporter named Linda Moultan Howe did some very in depth stories that scared the dickens out of me. There is one thing that has always bothered me about the bodies after they are found. Of course the usuall organs and skin tissue is missisng, as well as the absence of bood. But the usual natural decay that should start immediately after death (or when returned) is absent. No maggots, flys, or evidence of scavengers picking over the large amount of meat. No mention of it at all that I can recall. It is as if the cow was contaminated in such a way that no scavenger or insect (who will eat ANYTHING that is dead I might add). Isnt that odd?

Anchor
6th December 2012, 23:15
This is offered as contributory material with no assertion about its correctness or otherwise.


http://lawofone.info/results.php?s=16#43


Questioner: I don’t know if it is of any importance, but it occurred to me that the parts removed from the cattle mutilations are the same every time, and I wondered if this is related to the energy centers and why they were important if that was so?

Ra: I am Ra. This is basically correct if you may understand that there is a link between energy centers and various thought-forms. Thus the fears of the mass consciousness create the climate for the concentration upon the removal of bodily parts which symbolize areas of concern or fear in the mass consciousness.

Questioner: Are you saying, then, that these parts that are removed are related to the mass consciousness of the third-density human form and that this fear is being used in some way by the thought-form entities in these mutilations?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. The thought-form entities feed upon fear; thus they are able to do precise damage according to systems of symbology. The other second-density types of which you speak need the, what you call, blood.

Questioner: These other second-density types need the blood to remain in the physical? Do they come in and out of our physical from one of the lower astral planes?

Ra: I am Ra. These entities are, shall we say, creatures of the Orion group. They do not exist in astral planes as do the thought-forms but wait within the Earth’s surface. We, as always, remind you that it is our impression that this type of information is unimportant.

Nanoo Nanoo
7th December 2012, 19:57
Steven Greer says that the ETs have no hostile intent.

Either :- a) He's RIGHT, and this is done by the people who run the world (TPTB) using their highly advanced (beyond the public's awareness)
military and biological technology.

Or :- b) He's WRONG, and this is done by the ETs.

There are NO other possibilities, since these type of mutilations can't be done by humans with any known technology.


Steven Greer is sort of right.

The man with bits missing was tortured. Possibly someone that had informtion for a drug orientated ring. This is not the work of aliens. The man was awake most of the procedure or rather torture. There is no actual evidnse showing any sort of technology or dna sampling. IF it was an alien doing this a sample dna would easily e traceable and part of the forenzic evidense.

The cow is a common one. This is what happens when you chew on an electric fence. Some electric fences have a lot of voltage, enough to fry a cow.

There are a lot of people being knocked off and the motive does not point to off planet species. People have absolutely no idea the type of technology alien species have. If they want a sample of your skin, dna, eye, anus, they can scan you from miles away and have a matric representation frely avail in its entirety AND duplicate it without ever harming a hair on your head.

This would suggest these mutilations have been done by humans with limited technology.

N

Nanoo Nanoo
8th December 2012, 01:19
http://www.montalk.net/HumanSimulacra.pdf

Page 8, 4th paragraph. This is an accurate account of whats doing these mutilations. Again, not aliens. Humanoids.

N