U.S. Troops In Neighborhood Streets Fully Armed

[wynderer]

U.S. Troops In Neighboorhood Streets Fully Armed
Posted on April 30, 2012 by Admin
Libertarian Review

http://libertarianreview.us/2012/04/30/u-s-troops-in-neighboorhood-streets-fully-armed

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The photo shown at left was taken by a subscriber in the city of Crookston, MN from the front porch of her suburban home. No, the men pictured aren’t from the local high school’s J.R.O.T.C squad – they are in fact trained soldiers serving in the Minnesota National Guard, Unit 2-136 CAB / B Company. Now, I have never personally been to Crookston (although I’m sure it’s lovely), but I’m relatively confident that they are located on domestic soil, and unless I am missing something, the citizens of Crookston weren’t dealing with any natural disaster at the time this haunting snapshot into the coming police state was taken.

No, what was actually going on that morning was a “training exercise” involving a quiet neighborhood that probably isn’t that different from your own. Being the patriot that she is, Maggie decided it might be a good idea to start asking some questions. Nothing too difficult, mainly just what the hell they were doing walking fully armed down a street regularly used to facilitate the innocent pastimes of all American kids.

Glancing at her briefly one Soldier responded, “Just training Ma’am. Joining up with another patrol at the rally point.”

Not accepting this as a reasonable answer to her inquiry, Maggie went on, “Oh, ok. What are you training on the streets of town for exactly?”

At that the young soldier replied, “To be honest ma’am, I don’t know.”

The reason for his domestic training exercise that morning might be unknown to him, but sadly this is not only just another indicator of the uncertain times ahead, but also a revealing indicator of how worried the Feds are of a possible outbreak of civil insurrections across the nation.

A few weeks back, I wrote a short piece detailing a few disturbing government purchases, including 450 million rounds of hollow point bullets (keep in mind the total population of the U.S. is 311,591,917), reinforced vehicle check-points, and hundreds of armored ‘civil-tanks’ by the Department of Homeland Security. Around the same time, the U.S Army was stockpiling anti-radiation pills and our President was issuing executive orders that essentially would eliminate the requirement of an actual emergency to declare Marshall Law and seize any goods or property it deems necessary including authorizing forced labor of the citizens.

With this recent development, it is becoming increasingly apparent that a violent scenario has the potential of manifesting in the country I love – the country I would give my life to preserve for my younger countrymen, and since hollow point bullets are specifically designed to kill, the state has made its’ position alarmingly clear.

Well let me make myself clear: I would gladly die on my feet rather than live on my knees.

[Ammit]

Now, that is a scary reply, not knowing what you are there for implies to me , we follow orders.

**** this is getting bad.

[scanner]

They're trianing for urban combat , it doesn't matter where it is . What matters is that you COULD be their next target , only difference is, will the US solders obay their orders to shoot or not .

[wynderer]

when i lived in Boulder a couple of yrs ago, i met a man who'd lived in a Colorado town above the snowline -- they had a big blizzard, but they were used to that -- knew how to cope

there was a joint military exercise, under cover of 'helping' them w/the blizzard -- all cell phone communication was blocked, & there were checkpoints on the road out of town

Prisonplanet has been reporting these for 4 or 5 yrs at least

Hope the Oathkeepers are growing rapidly in membership

[aranuk]

Unfortunately soldiers are not trained to think for themselves. They are trained to obey orders nothing else.

Stan

[Maia Gabrial]

As a veteran myself, I disagree with you, aranuk. There are more honorable soldiers in the service than people realize. Good, honorable people.
Remember when active duty soldiers took a survey and were asked if they would kill Americans on American soil. I forget the number, but it was high enough to concern the leadership. Could this be the reason why there are so many hired mercenaries and foreign soldiers in the ranks? THEY wouldn't have a problem killing Americans....

[foreverfan]

Drake predicted that you would see the military getting into place. He said that they are here to protect the utilities and other infrastructural when the order is given.

[wynderer]

you're from New Orleans & you believe what you wrote --???


Drake predicted that you would see the military getting into place. He said that they are here to protect the utilities and other infrastructural when the order is given.

[GoodETxSG]

We have done so many of these joint exercises with NATO and non NATO soldiers here and in their own countries (Some come here because it is impossible in their countries). They make sure that all soldiers are trained in the same MMO's and SOP's in all terrains (ID Friend or Foe to prevent friendly fire etc). There has been a MAJOR focus on Urban Warfare since Somalia in the 90's and that particular type of warfare has been seriously specialized both in tactics and technology.

This all puts in the framework to pull "UN" soldiers into any theatre and be ready to work together at any moment. However, I agree that the major part of the U.S. Military WOULD reject orders to fire on our own Civilians. That is why they get people from another world region to do it. If they were to try to do this they would first create a pretext to send MOST ALL of our soldiers overseas to fight so they are not home at the time of the EVENT.

Go to the OATHKEEPERS Website, there were a vast majority of Soldiers that refused orders to disarm citizens than there were ones that gave backup to the FEMA and other FED's that DID go in to disarm old ladies with revolvers. I was in the region.

But, countless foreign Col.'s on up have discussed what a night mare it would be to try to disarm or subdue the American people. We are armed to the teeth and know how to use our weapons. We have plenty of Vets that know current tactics that could train a civilian army and get them up to speed quickly.

If THEY were to succeed they would have to come in with an incredible shock and awe campaigned and kill so many innocents it would be just crazy. They would have better success if they caused a Pandemic or caused a problem with crops or food and water supplies, maybe a disaster here or there (Manmade or Natural) and then send in the Blue Hats to “Save the day” and declare Martial Law.

I guarantee none of the foreign troops savor the idea of going street to street in any U.S. city clearing zones of “Hostiles”. I have to tell you that think the U.S. Troops will support the Cabal and not the people and Constitution… You are WRONG! For those of you Americans saying this shame on you. The OATH we take is not taken lightly.

[wynderer]

i remember seeing a photo of a patch on one of our soldier's uniforms -- it was something about 2% -- connected w/the Oathkeepers -- i gathered that meant about 2% of our forces were actively supporting the Oathkeepers [& our Constitution]


We have done so many of these joint exercises with NATO and non NATO soldiers here and in their own countries (Some come here because it is impossible in their countries). They make sure that all soldiers are trained in the same MMO's and SOP's in all terrains (ID Friend or Foe to prevent friendly fire etc). There has been a MAJOR focus on Urban Warfare since Somalia in the 90's and that particular type of warfare has been seriously specialized both in tactics and technology.

This all puts in the framework to pull "UN" soldiers into any theatre and be ready to work together at any moment. However, I agree that the major part of the U.S. Military WOULD reject orders to fire on our own Civilians. That is why they get people from another world region to do it. If they were to try to do this they would first create a pretext to send MOST ALL of our soldiers overseas to fight so they are not home at the time of the EVENT.

But, countless foreign Col.'s on up have discussed what a night mare it would be to try to disarm or subdue the American people. We are armed to the teeth and know how to use our weapons. We have plenty of Vets that know current tactics that could train a civilian army and get them up to speed quickly.

If THEY were to succeed they would have to come in with an incredible shock and awe campaigned and kill so many innocents it would be just crazy. They would have better success if they caused a Pandemic or caused a problem with crops or food and water supplies, maybe a disaster here or there (Manmade or Natural) and then send in the Blue Hats to “Save the day” and declare Martial Law.

I guarantee none of the foreign troops savor the idea of going street to street in any U.S. city clearing zones of “Hostiles”. I have to tell you that think the U.S. Troops will support the Cabal and not the people and Constitution… You are WRONG! For those of you Americans saying this shame on you. The OATH we take is not taken lightly.

[GoodETxSG]

i remember seeing a photo of a patch on one of our soldier's uniforms -- it was something about 2% -- connected w/the Oathkeepers -- i gathered that meant about 2% of our forces were actively supporting the Oathkeepers [& our Constitution]

2%? You gathered that from a patch on what uniform? We aren’t allowed to wear anything on our uniforms other than unit patches and flags and pins provided by the service. People need to go to the Oathkeepers and do the research and watch the videos. Besides, the number of troops actively supporting the OathKeeprs is not relevant. What is relevant is that the soldiers that took the OATH and carry the weapons for the MOST part would not suppress the Americans THIS day and age. This is not the 60's where people putting daisy's in M16's on College Universities were fired on. This is a whole new breed. There are those that would fight the American people, they would find a circle of their own units men around them with weapons locked and loaded making them stop.

[Tangri]

Unfortunately soldiers are not trained to think for themselves. They are trained to obey orders nothing else.

Stan
Thanks again Stan,
Officer has a right to shoot subordinates in combat if he cause panic or dis-obey at large. Training implies the troop that they have to accept every situation can be threat at nation's safety, they are nobody but soldier they do not need to think or have decision their own.

[wynderer]

i should think the numbers of troops does matter -- are you telling me that almost all our armed forces & peace officers are aware of & opposed to the NWO? -- there doesn't seem to be any shortage of guys who like to wear those Darth Vader get-ups during all the demonstrations or to protect the rich & powerful at various summits, as they are doing now in Chicago




2%? You gathered that from a patch on what uniform? We aren’t allowed to wear anything on our uniforms other than unit patches and flags and pins provided by the service. People need to go to the Oathkeepers and do the research and watch the videos. Besides, the number of troops actively supporting the OathKeeprs is not relevant. What is relevant is that the soldiers that took the OATH and carry the weapons for the MOST part would not suppress the Americans THIS day and age. This is not the 60's where people putting daisy's in M16's on College Universities were fired on. This is a whole new breed. There are those that would fight the American people, they would find a circle of their own units men around them with weapons locked and loaded making them stop.

[Tangri]

As a veteran myself, I disagree with you, aranuk. There are more honorable soldiers in the service than people realize. Good, honorable people.
Remember when active duty soldiers took a survey and were asked if they would kill Americans on American soil. I forget the number, but it was high enough to concern the leadership. Could this be the reason why there are so many hired mercenaries and foreign soldiers in the ranks? THEY wouldn't have a problem killing Americans....

I am sorry but your training memories all gone for good or they were only for office duty not for combat.

[GoodETxSG]

Unfortunately soldiers are not trained to think for themselves. They are trained to obey orders nothing else.

Stan
Thanks again Stan,
Officer has a right to shoot subordinates in combat if he cause panic or dis-obey at large. Training implies the troop that they have to accept every situation can be threat at nation's safety, they are nobody but soldier they do not need to think or have decision their own.

Officer's have been and will be "Fragged" if they give certain orders. Soldiers DO learn to follow orders, we also learn to follow instincts and to think for ourselves as combat in this era is SO dynamic. A soldier relies on himself and his comrades more that the brass or a radio that can become non operational.

[Tangri]

We have done so many of these joint exercises with NATO and non NATO soldiers here and in their own countries (Some come here because it is impossible in their countries). They make sure that all soldiers are trained in the same MMO's and SOP's in all terrains (ID Friend or Foe to prevent friendly fire etc). There has been a MAJOR focus on Urban Warfare since Somalia in the 90's and that particular type of warfare has been seriously specialized both in tactics and technology.

This all puts in the framework to pull "UN" soldiers into any theatre and be ready to work together at any moment. However, I agree that the major part of the U.S. Military WOULD reject orders to fire on our own Civilians. That is why they get people from another world region to do it. If they were to try to do this they would first create a pretext to send MOST ALL of our soldiers overseas to fight so they are not home at the time of the EVENT.

Go to the OATHKEEPERS Website, there were a vast majority of Soldiers that refused orders to disarm citizens than there were ones that gave backup to the FEMA and other FED's that DID go in to disarm old ladies with revolvers. I was in the region.

But, countless foreign Col.'s on up have discussed what a night mare it would be to try to disarm or subdue the American people. We are armed to the teeth and know how to use our weapons. We have plenty of Vets that know current tactics that could train a civilian army and get them up to speed quickly.

If THEY were to succeed they would have to come in with an incredible shock and awe campaigned and kill so many innocents it would be just crazy. They would have better success if they caused a Pandemic or caused a problem with crops or food and water supplies, maybe a disaster here or there (Manmade or Natural) and then send in the Blue Hats to “Save the day” and declare Martial Law.

I guarantee none of the foreign troops savor the idea of going street to street in any U.S. city clearing zones of “Hostiles”. I have to tell you that think the U.S. Troops will support the Cabal and not the people and Constitution… You are WRONG! For those of you Americans saying this shame on you. The OATH we take is not taken lightly.

Please check it, National guard's duty. They are different than other soldier, they have a right to shoot and kill in American soil to protect position,/station in the name of national security.

[Tangri]

Officer's have been and will be "Fragged" if they give certain orders. Soldiers DO learn to follow orders, we also learn to follow instincts and to think for ourselves as combat in this era is SO dynamic. A soldier relies on himself and his comrades more that the brass or a radio that can become non operational.

How many fragged officer did you hear from Iraq and Afghanistan or USMA?
Assuming is not good thing if you do not know anything(even sometimes if you think you know something)

[Avocadess]

I had heard that there will be military exercises for the next 8 or 10 days at various locations in the U.S. Some will be just that -- exercises -- and some, Drake said, could be military getting into position.

It has also occurred to me that in some locations that cabal may try to scare the wits out of people with these "exercises." I refuse to be afraid. They can shoot me if they want to. One never really dies anyway -- and chances are, that won't happen. MOST of our troops ARE good men of conscience, but there ARE a good 10% or more that may do their best to terrify us. That's my take anyhow...

[GoodETxSG]

How many fragged officer did you hear from Iraq and Afghanistan or USMA?
Assuming is not good thing if you do not know anything(even sometimes if you think you know something)

Being Fragged??? LOL, You DONT hear about them... they were reported as KIA's... I was one of those guardsman you speak of... I do not need to read about "Them"... this is something I am very familiar with. I have experienced these things with all my senses... Because you read a blip on a NG web site or speak of something does not mean you have a clue either.

[GoodETxSG]

i should think the numbers of troops does matter -- are you telling me that almost all our armed forces & peace officers are aware of & opposed to the NWO? -- there doesn't seem to be any shortage of guys who like to wear those Darth Vader get-ups during all the demonstrations or to protect the rich & powerful at various summits, as they are doing now in Chicago


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NO it does not matter how many support the Oath Keeprs... and it is not soldiers who wear the Vader suits and pepper spray Demonstrators either... Fact Check Time... U.S. Soldiers would not fall in line w/the NWO... As I described before... Now if you want to find where the NWO supporting U.S. solders gravitate, check out Black Water and... well some other such "Companies".

[spiritguide]

Officer's have been and will be "Fragged" if they give certain orders. Soldiers DO learn to follow orders, we also learn to follow instincts and to think for ourselves as combat in this era is SO dynamic. A soldier relies on himself and his comrades more that the brass or a radio that can become non operational.

How many fragged officer did you hear from Iraq and Afghanistan or USMA?
Assuming is not good thing if you do not know anything(even sometimes if you think you know something)

This debate is mute, really. Only those that have served in the US military really know how there system works when they conduct operations. One thing for sure they will not openly devuldge how they intereact. Whoe be the officer that shoots one of his troops that is all a warrier can say. IMHO

[GoodETxSG]

So True... SO TRUE...

[jackovesk]

Well let me make myself clear: I would gladly die on my feet rather than live on my knees.

Agreed wynderer...:yes4:

You know what continually goes through my mind when seeing the innocent Jews in WWII/or Anyone for that matter lining up awaiting their fate..!

Not me, I would 'Take-Down' as many of those Bastards with me before they ended mine or my family's life...Period..!

If it ever came to that, which I sincerely doubt my decision/preperation would to be never put myself/family in such a scenario in the 1st place..!

[GoodETxSG]

Well let me make myself clear: I would gladly die on my feet rather than live on my knees.

Agreed wynderer...:yes4:

You know what continually goes through my mind when seeing the innocent Jews in WWII/or Anyone for that matter lining up awaiting their fate..!

Not me, I would 'Take-Down' as many of those Bastards with me before they ended mine or my family's life...Period..!

If it ever came to that, which I sincerely doubt my decision/preperation would to be never put myself/family in such a scenario in the 1st place..!

Shoot all the Fascist Nazi's and Commie's you want. I will supply the Ammo.
Don't shoot at ANY U.S. Troops if you are HERE in the U. S and martial law is declared... They can toss a few hundred Black Water Merc’s in uniforms and have them attack a few food and medical depot’s and put it on the MSM (That is how those sick bastards think).

Do not fall for a PsyOp that will put you on the wrong end of the stick. Just saying, that is what the NWO wants you to do...
That is one of the reasons they arrange these exercises in plain view is to scare you. Fear makes you stupid. How much of the NWO plan do you want to carry out unwittingly?

Get the facts before you do anything...

However I do not blame ANYONE for protecting their family against any group that is lining people up against walls etc...

[spiritguide]

A defend and protect posture is in good balance, an aggressive posture has one off balance. A true warrier defends and protects against agressives. Do not be fooled by anything other, as the warrier is not afraid to give his life for others. IMHO

[jackovesk]

Shoot all the Fascist Nazi's and Commie's you want. I will supply the Ammo.
Don't shoot at ANY U.S. Troops if you are HERE in the U. S and martial law is declared... They can toss a few hundred Black Water Merc’s in uniforms and have them attack a few food and medical depot’s and put it on the MSM (That is how those sick bastards think).

Do not fall for a PsyOp that will put you on the wrong end of the stick. Just saying, that is what the NWO wants you to do...
That is one of the reasons they arrange these exercises in plain view is to scare you. Fear makes you stupid. How much of the NWO plan do you want to carry out unwittingly?

Get the facts before you do anything...

However I do not blame ANYONE for protecting their family against any group that is lining people up against walls etc...

You totally misunderstood my message...:faint:

[GoodETxSG]

You totally misunderstood my message...:faint:

So Sorry, I must have. I need to catch up on some sleep... "Cheers"
:sleep:

[tenacity1]

it's a conundrum for me because of where I live and the history of corruption in this county and country. ..I hope and I pray that the Angels that have protected me so far will allow me not to be witness to any ridiculous actions of people whose greed should have been checked eons ago. I have real faith that Light will always win over darkness .Still, there are those who call me Pollyanna at times. ;)

[ThePythonicCow]

U.S. Troops In Neighboorhood Streets Fully Armed
Posted on April 30, 2012 by Admin
Libertarian Review

The photo shown at left was taken by a subscriber in the city of Crookston, MN from the front porch of her suburban home.
The original post on this thread appears to be copied from http://fromthetrenchesworldreport.com/u-s-troops-in-neighboorhood-streets-fully-armed/14339

That article in turn appears to be taken from an original article at http://libertarianreview.us/2012/04/30/u-s-troops-in-neighboorhood-streets-fully-armed/

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[wynderer]

a PM would have been appreciated....



U.S. Troops In Neighboorhood Streets Fully Armed
Posted on April 30, 2012 by Admin
Libertarian Review

The photo shown at left was taken by a subscriber in the city of Crookston, MN from the front porch of her suburban home.
The original post on this thread appears to be copied from http://fromthetrenchesworldreport.com/u-s-troops-in-neighboorhood-streets-fully-armed/14339

That article in turn appears to be taken from an original article at http://libertarianreview.us/2012/04/30/u-s-troops-in-neighboorhood-streets-fully-armed/

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[ThePythonicCow]

a PM would have been appreciated....
Both the original links and the posting recommendations were useful information (in my view) for any member.

[modwiz]

Corey, it is a great value to have you here. I've said that before and will reiterate it now. I am grateful for the view from Texas.

[wynderer]

just wanted folks to know, re the Darth Vader-type police at protests & the other law enforcement --aka Officers of the Peace -- men & women who are guarding the rich & powerful at their various 'summits' -- high above the lowly Humans --

all Officers of the Peace -- State Police, County Sheriff's departments, local police -- are also eligible for membership in the Oathkeepers

a study determined that , in order to install fascism in a country, only 30% of the population needs to be behind them -- & the 30% are given the weapons & positions of power

this is why the number /percentage of all military & Officers of the Peace who have taken the Oath -- this is why it matters to me

when choosing a place to live, it's a good idea to check out the rep of the local Officers of the Peace

[GoodETxSG]

This debate is mute, really. Only those that have served in the US military really know how there system works when they conduct operations. One thing for sure they will not openly devuldge how they intereact. Whoe be the officer that shoots one of his troops that is all a warrier can say. IMHO

You are SO RIGHT... Dunno why I even attempted to discuss it further with a person that has no frame of reference at all. Talk about totally missing the point over and over...

[wynderer]

a little 'hi wyn' would have been nice then -- let's keep that good ole Human interaction going while we can



a PM would have been appreciated....
Both the original links and the posting recommendations were useful information (in my view) for any member.

[GoodETxSG]

a PM would have been appreciated....
Both the original links and the posting recommendations were useful information (in my view) for any member.

I wouldn’t even try... There is no getting through that bubble with ANY amount of REASON.:sick:

[spiritguide]

Goode,
Do not let counter statements detract you from stating your message. Your perception is helpful and helps others in many ways. Semper Fi !

:peace:

[GoodETxSG]

Goode,
Do not let counter statements detract you from stating your message. Your perception is helpful and helps others in many ways. Semper Fi !

:peace:

I hear ya, its just VERY hard sometimes...

[amandamaze]

There was a report that they ( Homeland Security) are going to release Bacteria in the Boston subway system to test their biological alarm system. They also said that the bacteria should not have adverse health effects for low exposure in healthy people. A glaring disclaimer... I mean what about those who are not in the best of health... or babies who are just building immune systems... grrrrrrrrrrrr... and meanwhile thousands of people have already been exposed to this by now... sheesh... Here is the link to the CBS Version of the news...http://boston.cbslocal.com/2012/04/30/homeland-security-to-test-biological-sensors-in-mbta-tunnels/

[GoodETxSG]

There was a report that they ( Homeland Security) are going to release Bacteria in the Boston subway system to test their biological alarm system. They also said that the bacteria should not have adverse health effects for low exposure in healthy people. A glaring disclaimer... I mean what about those who are not in the best of health... or babies who are just building immune systems... grrrrrrrrrrrr... and meanwhile thousands of people have already been exposed to this by now... sheesh... Here is the link to the CBS Version of the news...http://boston.cbslocal.com/2012/04/30/homeland-security-to-test-biological-sensors-in-mbta-tunnels/

FEMA and DHS do some reallllly weird stuff. Tooo much money in their budgets and not enough brains at the top.

[Lost N Found]

Officer's have been and will be "Fragged" if they give certain orders. Soldiers DO learn to follow orders, we also learn to follow instincts and to think for ourselves as combat in this era is SO dynamic. A soldier relies on himself and his comrades more that the brass or a radio that can become non operational.

CoreyG, I will meet up with you anyday. Thank you brother in arms

[GoodETxSG]

CoreyG, I will meet up with you anyday. Thank you brother in arms

Thank you Sir,
I am more of a Communications and Intel guy... but if I take up arms it will be to defend my family, my country and constitution per the Oath I took. I hope I never have to harm another human being in my life for any reason though.
:usa2:

[Lost N Found]

CoreyG, I totally agree with what you say there brother, I do not want to ever harm another human being but yes, I will not hesitate to defend my loved ones or any other friend around me. I fully understand the mentallity of being in a team and covering a teammates back. That is why what you say is so true. Been there and will do it again. I to was in communications and intel during Vietnam.

Thank you brother. peace be with you

[Rogerc]

They're trianing for urban combat , it doesn't matter where it is . What matters is that you COULD be their next target , only difference is, will the US solders obay their orders to shoot or not .

They did at Kent State

[GoodETxSG]

Like I said up further in this thread about hippies sticking daisy’s in M16’s. That was a different time and a whole different breed of people. These guys now are Volunteers not draftee's... and better trained and just not comparable at all.

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The Kent State shootings—also known as the May 4 massacre or the Kent State massacre[2][3][4]—occurred at Kent State University in the U.S. city of Kent, Ohio, and involved the shooting of unarmed college students by the Ohio National Guard on Monday, May 4, 1970. The guardsmen fired 67 rounds over a period of 13 seconds, killing four students and wounding nine others, one of whom suffered permanent paralysis.[5]

Some of the students who were shot had been protesting against the American invasion of Cambodia, which President Richard Nixon announced in a television address on April 30. Other students who were shot had been walking nearby or observing the protest from a distance.[6][7]

There was a significant national response to the shootings: hundreds of universities, colleges, and high schools closed throughout the United States due to a student strike of four million students,[8] and the event further affected the public opinion—at an already socially contentious time—over the role of the United States in the Vietnam War.[9]

[Maia Gabrial]

just wanted folks to know, re the Darth Vader-type police at protests & the other law enforcement --aka Officers of the Peace -- men & women who are guarding the rich & powerful at their various 'summits' -- high above the lowly Humans --

all Officers of the Peace -- State Police, County Sheriff's departments, local police -- are also eligible for membership in the Oathkeepers

a study determined that , in order to install fascism in a country, only 30% of the population needs to be behind them -- & the 30% are given the weapons & positions of power


I agree with you, wynderer that all law enforcement guys should be in that Oathkeepers brotherhood, but the DHS is making sure to brainwash as many of them as possible against all Americans. They're being trained to believe we're all terrorists and are to be treated as such. These are the ones who have the nifty weapons and power to use against us..... Spooky! Thankfully, many of our law enforcers are decent men with honor and integrity; and don't agree with what the DHS is cramming down their throats...

And I think that when they get geared up in riot gear, they really do resemble the spookiness of Darth Vadar!

[Maia Gabrial]

Posted by scanner (here)
They're trianing for urban combat , it doesn't matter where it is . What matters is that you COULD be their next target , only difference is, will the US solders obay their orders to shoot or not .
They did at Kent State

As I've read, those Natl Guard guys were devastated by what they had done....

[GoodETxSG]

Posted by scanner (here)
They're trianing for urban combat , it doesn't matter where it is . What matters is that you COULD be their next target , only difference is, will the US solders obay their orders to shoot or not .
They did at Kent State

As I've read, those Natl Guard guys were devastated by what they had done....

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Yea, poor kids that were hurt or did the hurting. That was such a different atmosphere and time. It was a dark chapter indeed. All of these wars are orchestrated for something other than what we think it is when our boots hit the ground. The cowards making these plans sit safely in their Black Water/Storm Trooper/Vader guarded estates... to them we are just pieces on a Chess board. They make a move for one side, turn the chess board 180 degrees and make another move for the other side. Crazy that it has lasted this long.

[Rogerc]

Basic army training is aimed at de-personalisation of the individual. For the first time in your life you are dressed exactly the same. Orders are repetitive and repeated continuously. The basic form of brainwashing is drill - a monotonous repetition of movement, sound and orders.
Weapons training is similar and carried out in a robotic manner.
"Gun firing, gun stops, drop, cock, lift the feed cover, clear the stoppage, close the feed cover, continue firing" That's an M60 first immediate action which is still burned into my brain some forty years later.
The military aim is to reduce men to automatons and to instantaneously and without question follow orders. De- programming takes years.
To assume that soldiers will not follow orders is madness.
An Australian vet turned psychologist produced a video, 'You're not in the army now' which showed clearly the impact of training which has been perfected by the military throughout history.
How else could an otherwise normal person participate in war? Look at footage of WW1 where insane mass assaults were carried out against fixed machine gun positions.
I kid you not - they were just you and me.

[wynderer]

when dating a 'Nam vet, i went w/him to the VA [Veteran's Admin] hospital -- i came out of there intears, & told him, this is something the history books never tell you -- how many good & decent men are physically & psychologically destroyed by war'


Basic army training is aimed at de-personalisation of the individual. For the first time in your life you are dressed exactly the same. Orders are repetitive and repeated continuously. The basic form of brainwashing is drill - a monotonous repetition of movement, sound and orders.
Weapons training is similar and carried out in a robotic manner.
"Gun firing, gun stops, drop, cock, lift the feed cover, clear the stoppage, close the feed cover, continue firing" That's an M60 first immediate action which is still burned into my brain some forty years later.
The military aim is to reduce men to automatons and to instantaneously and without question follow orders. De- programming takes years.
To assume that soldiers will not follow orders is madness.
An Australian vet turned psychologist produced a video, 'You're not in the army now' which showed clearly the impact of training which has been perfected by the military throughout history.
How else could an otherwise normal person participate in war? Look at footage of WW1 where insane mass assaults were carried out against fixed machine gun positions.
I kid you not - they were just you and me.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

_d8C4AIFgUg

[GoodETxSG]

Uhhh... update your knowledge!! By a few decades at least.

[wynderer]

i kind of thought this was a timeless message

_d8C4AIFgUg

[GoodETxSG]

i kind of thought this was a timeless message

_d8C4AIFgUg

I dunno, maybe us lowly Humans don't have the capacity to understand these concepts.

[RedeZra]

the evil crime empire

has the hierarchy of a pyramid of power


at the top is the international illuminati

who has no allegiance to nations


communism is probably very high up in this hierarchy

and i see the Sovietization of the Western world


do i believe our Western leaders are in leauge with the commies ?

i hope not all

but it seems most of our leadership has been compromised and or coerced into commie politics

setting the stage for an actual boots on the ground commie takeover


do you understand the implications of this ?

it is our own leaders who will invite the commies to come take over our countries


put that in your pipes and smoke it

[GoodETxSG]

The Commies are already in control... I think that happened when we were smoking our pipes. :(

[RedeZra]

The Commies are already in control... I think that happened when we were smoking our pipes. :(


i think you're right

the commies are already in control

but the public don't know it


and i'm afraid we will find out the hard way

[GoodETxSG]

That is because the Communist changed their names to non threatening sounding names and groups... then "WE" vote them in... then we whine when they chip away at the Constitution and act suprised...

[sygh]

Unfortunately soldiers are not trained to think for themselves. They are trained to obey orders nothing else.

Stan

Not so. Soldiers are trained to think critically, as well as trained to accomplish the "mission" by whatever means that takes. Now, there does come a point where an order must be obeyed; however, not a stupid order. In other words, if a request was made for a squad to put up an antenna ASAP, and it was raining to include lightening, you wouldn't see the antenna going up until the danger passed.
The Army isn't MK-Ultra.

[wynderer]

there is often a bright intelligence in the eyes of the career military i have met -- [ & they have good posture, & generally are very courteous to women ]



Unfortunately soldiers are not trained to think for themselves. They are trained to obey orders nothing else.

Stan

Not so. Soldiers are trained to think critically, as well as trained to accomplish the "mission" by whatever means that takes. Now, there does come a point where an order must be obeyed; however, not a stupid order. In other words, if a request was made for a squad to put up an antenna ASAP, and it was raining to include lightening, you wouldn't see the antenna going up until the danger passed.
The Army isn't MK-Ultra.

[GoodETxSG]

Unfortunately soldiers are not trained to think for themselves. They are trained to obey orders nothing else.

Stan

Not so. Soldiers are trained to think critically, as well as trained to accomplish the "mission" by whatever means that takes. Now, there does come a point where an order must be obeyed; however, not a stupid order. In other words, if a request was made for a squad to put up an antenna ASAP, and it was raining to include lightening, you wouldn't see the antenna going up until the danger passed.
The Army isn't MK-Ultra.

AMEN, Well Said.

[Rogerc]

I despair.
Will you Americans never wake up?
"Commies" were never a threat to you - the system went into self destruct . You have been brainwashed to fear just about everyone whilst your own politicians of both ilks plunge you into being the evil empire. Your presidents have been the biggest exporters of weapons for the last 10 decades at least.
They have used excuses such as the, 'spread of communism', the 'cold war', the war against drugs', the 'war against terrorism' and now 'the war against aliens'.
You are slaves to the military/industrial machine.
Anytime you get a decent president you assassinate him.
When I served in Vietnam I saw a generation of American boys good and true who really believed in the early years that they were stopping the spread of communism
Invest in war - it's a cert. It took five tons of munitions to kill one 'enemy' in WW11. In Vietnam it was nine tons. The cost to American youth was 100 dead per week. Investors were thrilled.
YOUR investors not 'commies'.
As a pilot I know that there were three thousand Bell Iriquois lost. BELL TEXTRON shares soared.

When your vets returned were they de-briefed to recover from the horror you created ?
You withdrew from Vietnam after ten years with a so called honourable peace - within months the North Vietnamese conquered the country.
You are now talking about the same honourable withdrawal after ten years from Afghanistan - negotiating with the Taliban ????
The American military now consider it is legal to enter a sovereign country and cause havoc with drones. A cruise missile costs $1 million per go. Buy those shares and join the party.
Otherwise stop bleating that you are an aware and holistic generation and that 'someone' will carry out mass arrests on your behalf.
Get off your asses and demonstrate - the internet is ultimately going to allow you no more than witness your own destruction and feel academic and superior about it.
Go on, save your troops.

[wynderer]

i wasn't going to log in till i saw Roger C's post -- definitely a bump-er

one of the ways they keep getting generations sent off to one war after another is that the returned soldiers never talk about what happened & what they saw -- &, for some, what they did, that troubles their consciences so because they are basically good & decent men [women too thse days -- & children]


I despair.
Will you Americans never wake up?
"Commies" were never a threat to you - the system went into self destruct . You have been brainwashed to fear just about everyone whilst your own politicians of both ilks plunge you into being the evil empire. Your presidents have been the biggest exporters of weapons for the last 10 decades at least.
They have used excuses such as the, 'spread of communism', the 'cold war', the war against drugs', the 'war against terrorism' and now 'the war against aliens'.
You are slaves to the military/industrial machine.
Anytime you get a decent president you assassinate him.
When I served in Vietnam I saw a generation of American boys good and true who really believed in the early years that they were stopping the spread of communism
Invest in war - it's a cert. It took five tons of munitions to kill one 'enemy' in WW11. In Vietnam it was nine tons. The cost to American youth was 100 dead per week. Investors were thrilled.
YOUR investors not 'commies'.
As a pilot I know that there were three thousand Bell Iriquois lost. BELL TEXTRON shares soared.

When your vets returned were they de-briefed to recover from the horror you created ?
You withdrew from Vietnam after ten years with a so called honourable peace - within months the North Vietnamese conquered the country.
You are now talking about the same honourable withdrawal after ten years from Afghanistan - negotiating with the Taliban ????
The American military now consider it is legal to enter a sovereign country and cause havoc with drones. A cruise missile costs $1 million per go. Buy those shares and join the party.
Otherwise stop bleating that you are an aware and holistic generation and that 'someone' will carry out mass arrests on your behalf.
Get off your asses and demonstrate - the internet is ultimately going to allow you no more than witness your own destruction and feel academic and superior about it.
Go on, save your troops.

[aranuk]

Unfortunately soldiers are not trained to think for themselves. They are trained to obey orders nothing else.

Stan

Not so. Soldiers are trained to think critically, as well as trained to accomplish the "mission" by whatever means that takes. Now, there does come a point where an order must be obeyed; however, not a stupid order. In other words, if a request was made for a squad to put up an antenna ASAP, and it was raining to include lightening, you wouldn't see the antenna going up until the danger passed.
The Army isn't MK-Ultra.

My apologies to you Sir

Stan

[Rogerc]

Not so. Soldiers are trained to think critically, as well as trained to accomplish the "mission" by whatever means that takes. Now, there does come a point where an order must be obeyed; however, not a stupid order. In other words, if a request was made for a squad to put up an antenna ASAP, and it was raining to include lightening, you wouldn't see the antenna going up until the danger passed.
The Army isn't MK-Ultra.

My apologies to you Sir

Stan

I am not sure where you served but in the midst of a fire-fight those aerials will go up damn quick . The Battle of Long Tan ( SVN),was carried out under such conditions at night and radio contact with artillery and airpower was crucial to the outcome. You would have been shot if you said, "please sir it's dangerous" Get real my man.
'

[Rogerc]

Wynderer , I disagree with you about vets not talking, it's more a case of the public not listening.

If you are American, there is a documentary about Vietnam by vets which was released across the States. It is called 'DEAR AMERICA - LETTERS FROM VIETNAM'

[RedeZra]

I despair.
Will you Americans never wake up?
"Commies" were never a threat to you - the system went into self destruct .


when we look to America

it is becoming painstaking obvious that the US government has been and is engaged in a more or less silent war against its own population for quite some time

who will the US government call on to fight the American patriots ?

[GoodETxSG]

The more we became like the commies and abandoned the Constitution the quicker we spiraled as a nation; the UK should know something about that. Socialists have driven all of our countries into the ground financially by funding their agenda’s and social programs. It is not a Dem/Rep thing but a fascist thing as proven recently in the U.S., UK, and E.U. “leaders”.

U.S. troops do speak to each other about previous wars and learn from those mistakes. It is a conversation of honor and healing from the injuries of war that these discussions are held. I am done trying to explain things to people that have no way of understanding what is in the U.S. soldiers mind and heart as none of you will listen beyond your preconceived ideas and prejudices.

Like it was said earlier the argument is a moot one. The people that disagree are the ones stuck in the era that had the craziest ideologies and political agenda’s in the first place. The Vietnam era was the beginning of the end as all the socialist hippies ended up inheriting the leadership of the U.S., mostly because the soldiers did NOT shoot them all down in the 60’s and 70’s like the Chinese or the Soviets/Russians and Nazi’s would most definitely have. It is because the soldiers did not shoot them down that this very debate is going on now. These are the people that are taking away your right to speak freely both online and on the streets.

I will leave this thread to you people to play ping pong with ideology and history avoiding the fact that they have no idea what is in the hearts and minds of the current American Soldiers and never will. Instead of thinking of your next piffy retort you should read through this thread again as soldiers from more than one generation have spoken and shared. Though asking that is a waste of time too as each side believes the other brainwashed.

I am shaking my head upon exiting this thread but not surprised. I am going to be in other threads to share where I can but mostly learn and exchange ideas, which one can only do with an open mind.
It is a waste of time and energy having a debate people that frame a debate for the sake of debate and not frame of reference on a subject or with a someone that desperately clings to the delusional belief that they are a spiritually superior “reptilian hybrid” “visitor” “not from this planet” that “doesn't understand” us/or “You Humans” that they are here on a mission to “wake up”? This is a non Human who has pickled their brain on several of up to “3 year” “alcoholic binges” and who knows what else (ALL Their words not mine)?

I have several Block/Ignore profile buttons to click on so I will not see any more of their bazaar posts or threads or popping from thread to thread starting an argument then popping to another to see how their last one is going. Out of sight and out of mind. I will seek those who are open to reason and not looking to just blindly jolt out retorts showing none themselves.

I apologize to the rest of the Avalonians here who come to share positive energy and light to learn and evolve and offer advice for those who seek it with open hearts and minds. This is the last thread I will bring any of this up in.

:wave: :nono: :tape2:

[modwiz]

The more we became like the commies and abandoned the Constitution the quicker we spiraled as a nation; the UK should know something about that. Socialists have driven all of our countries into the ground financially by funding their agenda’s and social programs. It is not a Dem/Rep thing but a fascist thing as proven recently in the U.S., UK, and E.U. “leaders”.

U.S. troops do speak to each other about previous wars and learn from those mistakes. It is a conversation of honor and healing from the injuries of war that these discussions are held. I am done trying to explain things to people that have no way of understanding what is in the U.S. soldiers mind and heart as none of you will listen beyond your preconceived ideas and prejudices.

Like it was said earlier the argument is a moot one. The people that disagree are the ones stuck in the era that had the craziest ideologies and political agenda’s in the first place. The Vietnam era was the beginning of the end as all the socialist hippies ended up inheriting the leadership of the U.S., mostly because the soldiers did NOT shoot them all down in the 60’s and 70’s like the Chinese or the Soviets/Russians and Nazi’s would most definitely have. It is because the soldiers did not shoot them down that this very debate is going on now. These are the people that are taking away your right to speak freely both online and on the streets.

I will leave this thread to you people to play ping pong with ideology and history avoiding the fact that they have no idea what is in the hearts and minds of the current American Soldiers and never will. Instead of thinking of your next piffy retort you should read through this thread again as soldiers from more than one generation have spoken and shared. Though asking that is a waste of time too as each side believes the other brainwashed.

I am shaking my head upon exiting this thread but not surprised. I am going to be in other threads to share where I can but mostly learn and exchange ideas, which one can only do with an open mind.
It is a waste of time and energy having a debate people that frame a debate for the sake of debate and not frame of reference on a subject or with a someone that desperately clings to the delusional belief that they are a spiritually superior “reptilian hybrid” “visitor” “not from this planet” that “doesn't understand” us/or “You Humans” that they are here on a mission to “wake up”? This is a non Human who has pickled their brain on several of up to “3 year” “alcoholic binges” and who knows what else (ALL Their words not mine)?

I have several Block/Ignore profile buttons to click on so I will not see any more of their bazaar posts or threads or popping from thread to thread starting an argument then popping to another to see how their last one is going. Out of sight and out of mind. I will seek those who are open to reason and not looking to just blindly jolt out retorts showing none themselves.

I apologize to the rest of the Avalonians here who come to share positive energy and light to learn and evolve and offer advice for those who seek it with open hearts and minds. This is the last thread I will bring any of this up in.

:wave: :nono: :tape2:

Your points of view as a military and financial man have been fine wine for me. I do hope your obvious decency will impel you to share more where you deem it worth your efforts. The frustration can run deep and cold. You have seen me lose the top of my head temporarily and your words paly rueful melodies within me.

I once again thank you for your contributions.

[GoodETxSG]

Your points of view as a military and financial man have been fine wine for me. I do hope your obvious decency will impel you to share more where you deem it worth your efforts. The frustration can run deep and cold. You have seen me lose the top of my head temporarily and your words paly rueful melodies within me.

I once again thank you for your contributions.

Thank you sir, I was told about your post so I had to come and say thank you sir. I will continue to post, just will no longer take part in the loony bin group's debates. I enjoy the intellect behind your posts as well. Even if I do not agree with them (I am not saying I do not) I understand the energy behind your line of thought.

[Rogerc]

Tex, On your good advice I have read the thread in its entirety and find that the sanest posts relevant to the military are by Levent Tonga who does not state that he is/was military but I suspect he was.
Forgive me for asking but have you seen active service as a Guardsman ? If so I apologise but otherwise it makes your expertise meaningless in this regard.
The world is full of wannabees.

[GoodETxSG]

.....................................................................

[wynderer]

I despair.
Will you Americans never wake up?
"Commies" were never a threat to you - the system went into self destruct .


when we look to America

it is becoming painstaking obvious that the US government has been and is engaged in a more or less silent war against its own population for quite some time

who will the US government call on to fight the American patriots ?

foreign troops, mercenaries, & the hybrid supersoldiers/sleeping beserkers being 'seeded' or 'embedded' throughout the planet

[wynderer]

Rogerc --

i'll check out the 'Dear America' documentary --

is it not true that our war against the Vietnamese people was the last one actually televised? -- TV was fully established by then -- they made it easy for just about everyone to get one in the '50s -- perhaps they'd hoped that televising a war would be a good tool to further dumb down the useless eaters --

but it backfired on them -- we got informed, & angry

or maybe they just used our outrage to back out of a situation they didn't want to be in anymore

whatever went on -- a lot of my high school classmates who went to 'Nam never came back

wyn


Wynderer , I disagree with you about vets not talking, it's more a case of the public not listening.

If you are American, there is a documentary about Vietnam by vets which was released across the States. It is called 'DEAR AMERICA - LETTERS FROM VIETNAM'

[sdv]

Worth repeating ...


I despair.
Will you Americans never wake up?
"Commies" were never a threat to you - the system went into self destruct . You have been brainwashed to fear just about everyone whilst your own politicians of both ilks plunge you into being the evil empire. Your presidents have been the biggest exporters of weapons for the last 10 decades at least.
They have used excuses such as the, 'spread of communism', the 'cold war', the war against drugs', the 'war against terrorism' and now 'the war against aliens'.
You are slaves to the military/industrial machine.
Anytime you get a decent president you assassinate him.
When I served in Vietnam I saw a generation of American boys good and true who really believed in the early years that they were stopping the spread of communism
Invest in war - it's a cert. It took five tons of munitions to kill one 'enemy' in WW11. In Vietnam it was nine tons. The cost to American youth was 100 dead per week. Investors were thrilled.
YOUR investors not 'commies'.
As a pilot I know that there were three thousand Bell Iriquois lost. BELL TEXTRON shares soared.

When your vets returned were they de-briefed to recover from the horror you created ?
You withdrew from Vietnam after ten years with a so called honourable peace - within months the North Vietnamese conquered the country.
You are now talking about the same honourable withdrawal after ten years from Afghanistan - negotiating with the Taliban ????
The American military now consider it is legal to enter a sovereign country and cause havoc with drones. A cruise missile costs $1 million per go. Buy those shares and join the party.
Otherwise stop bleating that you are an aware and holistic generation and that 'someone' will carry out mass arrests on your behalf.
Get off your asses and demonstrate - the internet is ultimately going to allow you no more than witness your own destruction and feel academic and superior about it.
Go on, save your troops.

By the way, I like 'commies', just as I do Muslims, Jews and even rampant capitalists, and so on. They are my friends, my neighbours, part of my community. Never could understand why Americans find 'commies' so terrifying. If there wasn't a vibrant Communist Party in my country, who the heck would stand up for decent wages and working conditions for workers (certainly not the capitalists)!

[AuCo]

The more we became like the commies and abandoned the Constitution the quicker we spiraled as a nation; the UK should know something about that. Socialists have driven all of our countries into the ground financially by funding their agenda’s and social programs. It is not a Dem/Rep thing but a fascist thing as proven recently in the U.S., UK, and E.U. “leaders”.

U.S. troops do speak to each other about previous wars and learn from those mistakes. It is a conversation of honor and healing from the injuries of war that these discussions are held. I am done trying to explain things to people that have no way of understanding what is in the U.S. soldiers mind and heart as none of you will listen beyond your preconceived ideas and prejudices.

Like it was said earlier the argument is a moot one. The people that disagree are the ones stuck in the era that had the craziest ideologies and political agenda’s in the first place. The Vietnam era was the beginning of the end as all the socialist hippies ended up inheriting the leadership of the U.S., mostly because the soldiers did NOT shoot them all down in the 60’s and 70’s like the Chinese or the Soviets/Russians and Nazi’s would most definitely have. It is because the soldiers did not shoot them down that this very debate is going on now. These are the people that are taking away your right to speak freely both online and on the streets.

I will leave this thread to you people to play ping pong with ideology and history avoiding the fact that they have no idea what is in the hearts and minds of the current American Soldiers and never will. Instead of thinking of your next piffy retort you should read through this thread again as soldiers from more than one generation have spoken and shared. Though asking that is a waste of time too as each side believes the other brainwashed.

I am shaking my head upon exiting this thread but not surprised. I am going to be in other threads to share where I can but mostly learn and exchange ideas, which one can only do with an open mind.
It is a waste of time and energy having a debate people that frame a debate for the sake of debate and not frame of reference on a subject or with a someone that desperately clings to the delusional belief that they are a spiritually superior “reptilian hybrid” “visitor” “not from this planet” that “doesn't understand” us/or “You Humans” that they are here on a mission to “wake up”? This is a non Human who has pickled their brain on several of up to “3 year” “alcoholic binges” and who knows what else (ALL Their words not mine)?

I have several Block/Ignore profile buttons to click on so I will not see any more of their bazaar posts or threads or popping from thread to thread starting an argument then popping to another to see how their last one is going. Out of sight and out of mind. I will seek those who are open to reason and not looking to just blindly jolt out retorts showing none themselves.

I apologize to the rest of the Avalonians here who come to share positive energy and light to learn and evolve and offer advice for those who seek it with open hearts and minds. This is the last thread I will bring any of this up in.

:wave: :nono: :tape2:

Well said.

I remember the Tiananmen Square Massacre in which the Chinese gov't did not use the local law enforcements or the troops near Bejing. It took them a while to mobilize the soldiers from the Northeast region who did not speak the same language as the local and so had little empathy for the protesters.

I would not be surprised if these hippy turned politician nitwits one day invite the Chinese to knock on my door here in America. :(

[Lost N Found]

I despair.
Will you Americans never wake up?
"Commies" were never a threat to you - the system went into self destruct .


when we look to America

it is becoming painstaking obvious that the US government has been and is engaged in a more or less silent war against its own population for quite some time

who will the US government call on to fight the American patriots ?

The UNITED STATES INC government will be calling on A.C.O.R.N. The UN, The Russians, China and look who else they have already co-opted, The Drug cartels in Mexico. The Treasonous basturds in DC have already shipped plenty of weapons to them. Rodgerc has it right to the point of our own government is the greatest danger and threat to the American people. The real terrorists in the world are all the alfebet soups, DHS, IRS, TSA, NSA, EPA, Lets not forget the Wash. DC Crowd of Lawyers/polititions. And the real monsters behind the scenes, The Banksters.

And here is the real rub, WE have allowed all of them to do whatever they want to us. I ask this one question, WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE?

[Rogerc]

Thanks Tex question answered

[wynderer]

The Black Awakening - Russ Dizdar

The Rise of the Satanic Super Soldiers

DvDiuvjEYww

[Rogerc]

I think that in the Vietnam days America still had freedom of the press. Since 'our' anti-Christ Murdoch took over your press and joined the 'Axis of Evil' those freedoms have been lost. Uncle Sam realised that press freedom in a war zone was detrimental to their agenda.

[Rogerc]

AuCo,
And I remember Kent State and Waco, (Texas). They didn't even have to change the language to shoot and burn American men, women and children.

[RedeZra]

I despair.
Will you Americans never wake up?
"Commies" were never a threat to you - the system went into self destruct .


when we look to America

it is becoming painstaking obvious that the US government has been and is engaged in a more or less silent war against its own population for quite some time

who will the US government call on to fight the American patriots ?

The UNITED STATES INC government will be calling on A.C.O.R.N. The UN, The Russians, China and look who else they have already co-opted, The Drug cartels in Mexico. The Treasonous basturds in DC have already shipped plenty of weapons to them. Rodgerc has it right to the point of our own government is the greatest danger and threat to the American people.


that is the terrible truth

the US government has become the enemy within the American nation

[wynderer]

giving this a bump -- one of the subjects that many like to ignore


The Black Awakening - Russ Dizdar

The Rise of the Satanic Super Soldiers

DvDiuvjEYww

[wynderer]

speaking of mercenaries...

Leaked Video Shows US Contractors Randomly Killing Civilians

e1trSD3Auyo

[modwiz]

The more we became like the commies and abandoned the Constitution the quicker we spiraled as a nation; the UK should know something about that. Socialists have driven all of our countries into the ground financially by funding their agenda’s and social programs. It is not a Dem/Rep thing but a fascist thing as proven recently in the U.S., UK, and E.U. “leaders”.

U.S. troops do speak to each other about previous wars and learn from those mistakes. It is a conversation of honor and healing from the injuries of war that these discussions are held. I am done trying to explain things to people that have no way of understanding what is in the U.S. soldiers mind and heart as none of you will listen beyond your preconceived ideas and prejudices.

Like it was said earlier the argument is a moot one. The people that disagree are the ones stuck in the era that had the craziest ideologies and political agenda’s in the first place. The Vietnam era was the beginning of the end as all the socialist hippies ended up inheriting the leadership of the U.S., mostly because the soldiers did NOT shoot them all down in the 60’s and 70’s like the Chinese or the Soviets/Russians and Nazi’s would most definitely have. It is because the soldiers did not shoot them down that this very debate is going on now. These are the people that are taking away your right to speak freely both online and on the streets.

I will leave this thread to you people to play ping pong with ideology and history avoiding the fact that they have no idea what is in the hearts and minds of the current American Soldiers and never will. Instead of thinking of your next piffy retort you should read through this thread again as soldiers from more than one generation have spoken and shared. Though asking that is a waste of time too as each side believes the other brainwashed.

I am shaking my head upon exiting this thread but not surprised. I am going to be in other threads to share where I can but mostly learn and exchange ideas, which one can only do with an open mind.
It is a waste of time and energy having a debate people that frame a debate for the sake of debate and not frame of reference on a subject or with a someone that desperately clings to the delusional belief that they are a spiritually superior “reptilian hybrid” “visitor” “not from this planet” that “doesn't understand” us/or “You Humans” that they are here on a mission to “wake up”? This is a non Human who has pickled their brain on several of up to “3 year” “alcoholic binges” and who knows what else (ALL Their words not mine)?

I have several Block/Ignore profile buttons to click on so I will not see any more of their bazaar posts or threads or popping from thread to thread starting an argument then popping to another to see how their last one is going. Out of sight and out of mind. I will seek those who are open to reason and not looking to just blindly jolt out retorts showing none themselves.

I apologize to the rest of the Avalonians here who come to share positive energy and light to learn and evolve and offer advice for those who seek it with open hearts and minds. This is the last thread I will bring any of this up in.

:wave: :nono: :tape2:

Well said.

I remember the Tiananmen Square Massacre in which the Chinese gov't did not use the local law enforcements or the troops near Bejing. It took them a while to mobilize the soldiers from the Northeast region who did not speak the same language as the local and so had little empathy for the protesters.

I would not be surprised if these hippy turned politician nitwits one day invite the Chinese to knock on my door here in America. :(

Chinese not likely. The Chinese have a very strong ethic, and practice, in staying out of the political dealings of other nations. It could be just self interest and nothing to do with a moral high ground. Basically, I stay out of your business and you stay out of mine. Given the way they like to keep a tight rein on things, one can easily see why they want such a policy and will practice what they preach.

Until the money changers spread out over the Earth, not being a hypocrite carried some weight in the world, if you wanted honor. Saving face is one way of looking at it. The Chinese are 'old school' that way. This is not about ethics, per se, but sovereignty and keeping ones domestic issues an 'in house' subject. What the USA says about human rights might be heard if it were not for such obvious hypocrisy, especially our foreign policy.

If anyone comes a-knocking it will more likely be a Xi mercenary. Let us hope the funds are drying up, because mercs don't work for free and they don't come cheap.

[modwiz]

I think that in the Vietnam days America still had freedom of the press. Since 'our' anti-Christ Murdoch took over your press and joined the 'Axis of Evil' those freedoms have been lost. Uncle Sam realised that press freedom in a war zone was detrimental to their agenda.

People like myself and friends emptied schools, hit the streets and left blood there as well. We showed that we were worth it. Occupy is a politically correct protest with no gonads and heavily infiltrated. We didn't have yoga at our protests, just very angry shouting people willing to bleed for the cause. It ended the draft and a war with it.

[wynderer]

i was hoping for some comments on this, instead of guys displaying their mil history /theory brilliance

we have a big problem if this video leads to facts


giving this a bump -- one of the subjects that many like to ignore


The Black Awakening - Russ Dizdar

The Rise of the Satanic Super Soldiers

DvDiuvjEYww

[modwiz]

AuCo,
And I remember Kent State and Waco, (Texas). They didn't even have to change the language to shoot and burn American men, women and children.

Me too. I grew up in the USA.

Kent state was part of our 'war' casualties. A song got written about it and it became a rallying cry that fed the anger that changed our world for a few minutes.

By the time Waco happened America had already died in the spirit. It is currently a zombie nation. It needs some powerful ju ju to break the hex. Zombies afraid of fake terrorists but not the ones at every airport. More afraid of losing TV than freedom.

It will be the determined few that break the spell, but broken it will be.

[wynderer]

the only reason 'we' stopped the war was because 'they' didn't need that war there anymore

meanwhile, back here in the present, there are more & more soldiers in the streets of the USA, put there by the gov't, not by the Oathkeepers, & plenty of evidence that close-to-robot type soldiers will be used against you

the history of the Vietnam War is preserved in the Akashic Records -- i think we have more pressing issues as a nation, & as a world right now

[spiritguide]

Awareness and activity in the now will determine our manifestation of our future. We must free our minds and think clearly for positive outcomes. Science is now revealing universal law at all levels. Think of those troops in the neighborhood there for our protection, and if in the moment of now this proves false then take defensive action if needed. Logic dictates that for every one of them there is at least one hundred of us. Fear not! IMHO

:peace:

[wynderer]

there have always been one hundred of you to one of them -- & they have always won

you seem to be of the school that says 'Expect the best & don't prepare for the worst -- rely on luck if worst comes'

the gov't putting the soldiers on our streets is the same gov't that is chemtrailing, vaccinating, driving farmers away from their farms, etc, etc



Awareness and activity in the now will determine our manifestation of our future. We must free our minds and think clearly for positive outcomes. Science is now revealing universal law at all levels. Think of those troops in the neighborhood there for our protection, and if in the moment of now this proves false then take defensive action if needed. Logic dictates that for every one of them there is at least one hundred of us. Fear not! IMHO

:peace:

[AuCo]

AuCo,
And I remember Kent State and Waco, (Texas). They didn't even have to change the language to shoot and burn American men, women and children.

Oh yes, I was too young for Kent State, but I remember Waco Burning.

[wynderer]

from an article on todays' David Icke Headlines

from TheIntelHub

http://theintelhub.com/2012/05/03/leaked-u-s-army-document-outlines-plan-for-re-education-camps-in-america/

'In 2009, the National Guard posted a number of job opportunities looking for “Internment/Resettlement Specialists” to work in “civilian internee camps” within the United States.

In December last year it was also revealed that Halliburton subsidiary KBR is seeking sub-contractors to staff and outfit “emergency environment” camps located in five regions of the United States.

In 2006, KBR was contracted by Homeland Security to build detention centers designed to deal with “an emergency influx of immigrants into the U.S,” or the rapid development of unspecified “new programs” that would require large numbers of people to be interned.'

[GoodETxSG]

:lalala: La La Land...


Awareness and activity in the now will determine our manifestation of our future. We must free our minds and think clearly for positive outcomes. Science is now revealing universal law at all levels. Think of those troops in the neighborhood there for our protection, and if in the moment of now this proves false then take defensive action if needed. Logic dictates that for every one of them there is at least one hundred of us. Fear not! IMHO

:peace:

Buddy,
I like following your posts but as you tried to warn me earlier in this thread it is a mute discussion.

I can't see what some of them are saying because I have "Ignored" their profiles and posts, but you realize that you cannot have a rational discussion with them right? It is a special type of insanity that is contagious.

That ignore function is such a wonderful thing. I highly recommend it... Your neck will feel better in no time from stopping all of the head shaking.



:der:
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results
:nono:
If they cannot tell the difference between Gov. federal storm troopers and the U.S. Military Forces, They will never ever get it. Not until the U.S. Military has all of the Gov. and corrupt Feds in the FEMA Camps they built for citizens.

[Belle]

To underline and validate this info check out http://www.picassodreams.com/picasso_dreams/2012/05/police-state-usa-fm-3-3940-internment-and-resettlement-operations-.html

From the article....


"Police State USA: FM 3-39.40 Internment and Resettlement Operations

The Red Cross, United Nations, Department of Homeland Security, and FEMA have partnered with the US (and foreign) military to find a way to deal with Ron Paul supporters once and for all. It's called FM 3-39.40 Internment and Resettlement Operations in which the PTB plan to place OWS protesters, tax protesters, military protesters, NPR listeners, peace activists, the Dalai Lama, 9-11 investigators, the Kennedy family, and any person who wishes to overthrow a tyrannical government.

It's all in black and white and you can read the entire full text of FM 3-39.40 as a .PDF file here- US Army-InternmentResettlemen Operations. Save it before it disappears down the memory hole.

Madison Ruppert from End the Lie, appears to have gone over the doccument with a fine tooth comb. Ruppert writes:


In the Army Regulation 190-8 document also called “Enemy Prisoners of War, Retained Personnel, Civilian Internees and Other Detainees,” which is available on the Air Force’s website, some details are given on what exactly Civilian Internees are and how they are treated......."

and


"Here are a few things to come - if you let it happen:

From Chapter 3:


PSYCHOLOGICAL OPERATIONS OFFICER

3-55. The PSYOP officer in charge of supporting I/R operations serves as the special staff officer responsible for PSYOP. The PSYOP officer advises the military police commander on the psychological impact of military police or MI actions to prevent misunderstandings and disturbances by detainees and DCs. The supporting I/R PSYOP team has two missions that reduce the need to divert military police assets to maintain security in the I/R facility. (See appendix J.) The team—
•
Assists the military police force in controlling detainees and DCs.

•
Introduces detainees or DCs to U.S. and multinational policy.


3-56. Develops PSYOP products that are designed to pacify and acclimate detainees or DCs to accept PSYOP team also supports the military police custodial mission in the I/R facility. The team— U.S. I/R facility authority and regulations.


•
Gains the cooperation of detainees or DCs to reduce the number of guards needed.

•
Identifies malcontents, trained agitators, and political leaders within the facility who may try to organize resistance or create disturbances.

•
Develops and executes indoctrination programs to reduce or remove antagonistic attitudes.

•
Identifies political activists.

•
Provides loudspeaker support (such as administrative announcements and facility instructions when necessary).

•
Helps the military police commander control detainee and DC populations during emergencies.

•
Plans and executes a PSYOP program that produces an understanding and appreciation of U.S. policies and actions.

Note. PSYOP personnel use comprehensive information, reorientation, and educational and vocational programs to prepare detainees and DCs for repatriation.


3-57. The PSYOP officer is an integral part of the I/R structure. The PSYOP officer often may work in close conjunction with the behavioral science consultation team, if available, for behavioral assessments and recommendations. The behavioral science consultation team may develop behavioral management plans and perform many other functions to assist the PSYOP officer if directed. The I/R facility commander may designate a location in which PSYOP personnel can conduct interviews of the various categories of people associated with I/R. This location must be separate and away from the interrogation areas........."

This is posted to inform and not create fear. Nothing they do is "simply" or "innocently" anything...it is all preparation.




from an article on todays' David Icke Headlines

from TheIntelHub

http://theintelhub.com/2012/05/03/leaked-u-s-army-document-outlines-plan-for-re-education-camps-in-america/

'In 2009, the National Guard posted a number of job opportunities looking for “Internment/Resettlement Specialists” to work in “civilian internee camps” within the United States.

In December last year it was also revealed that Halliburton subsidiary KBR is seeking sub-contractors to staff and outfit “emergency environment” camps located in five regions of the United States.

In 2006, KBR was contracted by Homeland Security to build detention centers designed to deal with “an emergency influx of immigrants into the U.S,” or the rapid development of unspecified “new programs” that would require large numbers of people to be interned.'

[spiritguide]

To underline and validate this info check out http://www.picassodreams.com/picasso_dreams/2012/05/police-state-usa-fm-3-3940-internment-and-resettlement-operations-.html

From the article....


"Police State USA: FM 3-39.40 Internment and Resettlement Operations

The Red Cross, United Nations, Department of Homeland Security, and FEMA have partnered with the US (and foreign) military to find a way to deal with Ron Paul supporters once and for all. It's called FM 3-39.40 Internment and Resettlement Operations in which the PTB plan to place OWS protesters, tax protesters, military protesters, NPR listeners, peace activists, the Dalai Lama, 9-11 investigators, the Kennedy family, and any person who wishes to overthrow a tyrannical government.

It's all in black and white and you can read the entire full text of FM 3-39.40 as a .PDF file here- US Army-InternmentResettlemen Operations. Save it before it disappears down the memory hole.

Madison Ruppert from End the Lie, appears to have gone over the doccument with a fine tooth comb. Ruppert writes:


In the Army Regulation 190-8 document also called “Enemy Prisoners of War, Retained Personnel, Civilian Internees and Other Detainees,” which is available on the Air Force’s website, some details are given on what exactly Civilian Internees are and how they are treated......."

and


"Here are a few things to come - if you let it happen:

From Chapter 3:


PSYCHOLOGICAL OPERATIONS OFFICER

3-55. The PSYOP officer in charge of supporting I/R operations serves as the special staff officer responsible for PSYOP. The PSYOP officer advises the military police commander on the psychological impact of military police or MI actions to prevent misunderstandings and disturbances by detainees and DCs. The supporting I/R PSYOP team has two missions that reduce the need to divert military police assets to maintain security in the I/R facility. (See appendix J.) The team—
•
Assists the military police force in controlling detainees and DCs.

•
Introduces detainees or DCs to U.S. and multinational policy.


3-56. Develops PSYOP products that are designed to pacify and acclimate detainees or DCs to accept PSYOP team also supports the military police custodial mission in the I/R facility. The team— U.S. I/R facility authority and regulations.


•
Gains the cooperation of detainees or DCs to reduce the number of guards needed.

•
Identifies malcontents, trained agitators, and political leaders within the facility who may try to organize resistance or create disturbances.

•
Develops and executes indoctrination programs to reduce or remove antagonistic attitudes.

•
Identifies political activists.

•
Provides loudspeaker support (such as administrative announcements and facility instructions when necessary).

•
Helps the military police commander control detainee and DC populations during emergencies.

•
Plans and executes a PSYOP program that produces an understanding and appreciation of U.S. policies and actions.

Note. PSYOP personnel use comprehensive information, reorientation, and educational and vocational programs to prepare detainees and DCs for repatriation.


3-57. The PSYOP officer is an integral part of the I/R structure. The PSYOP officer often may work in close conjunction with the behavioral science consultation team, if available, for behavioral assessments and recommendations. The behavioral science consultation team may develop behavioral management plans and perform many other functions to assist the PSYOP officer if directed. The I/R facility commander may designate a location in which PSYOP personnel can conduct interviews of the various categories of people associated with I/R. This location must be separate and away from the interrogation areas........."

This is posted to inform and not create fear. Nothing they do is "simply" or "innocently" anything...it is all preparation.




from an article on todays' David Icke Headlines

from TheIntelHub

http://theintelhub.com/2012/05/03/leaked-u-s-army-document-outlines-plan-for-re-education-camps-in-america/

'In 2009, the National Guard posted a number of job opportunities looking for “Internment/Resettlement Specialists” to work in “civilian internee camps” within the United States.

In December last year it was also revealed that Halliburton subsidiary KBR is seeking sub-contractors to staff and outfit “emergency environment” camps located in five regions of the United States.

In 2006, KBR was contracted by Homeland Security to build detention centers designed to deal with “an emergency influx of immigrants into the U.S,” or the rapid development of unspecified “new programs” that would require large numbers of people to be interned.'

The plan is for anybody including the cabal. (corrupt individuals at any level) IMHO

[mexrph]

Obama is a Communist and would love to preside over a Communist takeover of this country. We must be armed as well. It is not possible to take over an armed population.

[Lost N Found]

:lalala: La La Land...


Awareness and activity in the now will determine our manifestation of our future. We must free our minds and think clearly for positive outcomes. Science is now revealing universal law at all levels. Think of those troops in the neighborhood there for our protection, and if in the moment of now this proves false then take defensive action if needed. Logic dictates that for every one of them there is at least one hundred of us. Fear not! IMHO

:peace:

Buddy,
I like following your posts but as you tried to warn me earlier in this thread it is a mute discussion.

I can't see what some of them are saying because I have "Ignored" their profiles and posts, but you realize that you cannot have a rational discussion with them right? It is a special type of insanity that is contagious.

That ignore function is such a wonderful thing. I highly recommend it... Your neck will feel better in no time from stopping all of the head shaking.



:der:
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results
:nono:
If they cannot tell the difference between Gov. federal storm troopers and the U.S. Military Forces, They will never ever get it. Not until the U.S. Military has all of the Gov. and corrupt Feds in the FEMA Camps they built for citizens.

CoreyG, I totally agree with you on this matter. Here is something from Pink Floyd that falls right into what you say about comments.

"So I open my door to my enemies
and I ask could we wipe the slate clean
But the tell me to just f*** myself
you just can't win"

Peace brother,

[Lost N Found]

Ok, do we see the fear and doubt here folks, When does anyone think that we will stop allowing this fear to enter our beings and all of this feeding frenzi will just disappear. Paradigm change, Paradigm change, Paradigm change. Starve the beast. Be positive.

[wynderer]

CIA Super Soldiers and Links to Quantum Consciousness By muzikdiva

[clip]

Now skeptics may ahh-poo the whole notion and might say this is just more New Age hocus pocus, watch the following video is of Duncan O'Finioan and David Corso. Both survivors of the first generation of the US Military's highly classified super-soldier program, talking about MK-ULTRA and PROJECT TALENT.
As super-soldiers there were trained by the CIA as young children in psychic warfare, these children were routinely tortured starting as young as 5 & 6 yrs of age to cause their personalities to split. Torture that consisted of sticking needles under the finger nails and then applying electrical currents to the needles, they were given drugs to keep them from passing out from the pain. Those that didn't die at that point, would typically have an alter-personality take over to deal with the trauma. The "alter-personalities" are controlled by hypnosis and basically takes over the personality of the individual to carry out assassinations, top secret missions in combat and psychic warfare. Both men have been highly vetted and are willing to testify under oath in front of Congress about CIA participation in programs that kidnap and torture children for the benefit of the state.
This is important: YOU DON'T CREATE AN ARMY IF YOU DON'T PLAN ON USING IT! This has been going on for decades.

These programs are ongoing and are into the 4-5 generation of soldiers by now. As long as we as a people keep ignoring crimes by our government without demanding accountability then we are just as guilty as the psychopaths running the CIA and other branch's of the "secret" government. If we don't demand truth and justice for the guilty the crimes will continue unabated.
[clip]

http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/4465094-cia-super-soldiers-and-the-link-with-quantum-consciousness

[GoodETxSG]

:focus: :bs: :offtopic: :wacko2: :crazy:
Double standard OP?

:focus: :wacko: :crazy: :offtopic:

[wynderer]

Corey, i gather from your rather cryptic posts that you are hinting at having knowledge that the rest of us do not -- insider knowledge, i gather

what is your take on why our troops are going into neighborhoods where children play, fully armed? Are you saying that our military has nothing to do w/the NWO?

[wynderer]

ask & ye shall receive! -- GlassSteagallfan just started this thread:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44716-DHS-Informant---We-Are-Preparing-For-Massive-Civil-War--

DHS Informant: ‘We Are Preparing For Massive Civil War’
‘We Are Preparing For Massive Civil War’ Says DHS Informant


Dominique de Kevelioc de Bailleul
Before It’s News
May 4, 2012

In a riveting interview on TruNews Radio, Wednesday, private investigator Doug Hagmann said high-level, reliable sources told him the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) is preparing for “massive civil war” in America.

“We have problems . . . The federal government is preparing for civil uprising,” he added, “so every time you hear about troop movements, every time you hear about movements of military equipment, the militarization of the police, the buying of the ammunition, all of this is . . . they (DHS) are preparing for a massive uprising.”

Hagmann goes on to say that his sources tell him the concerns of the DHS stem from a collapse of the U.S. dollar and the hyperinflation a collapse in the value of the world’s primary reserve currency implies to a nation of 311 million Americans, who, for the significant portion of the population, is armed.

Uprisings in Greece is, indeed, a problem, but an uprising of armed Americans becomes a matter of serious national security, a point addressed in a recent report by the Pentagon and highlighted as a vulnerability and threat to the U.S. during war-game exercises at the Department of Defense last year, according to one of the DoD’s war-game participants, Jim Rickards, author of Currency Wars: The Making of the Next Global Crisis.

Through his sources, Hagmann confirmed Rickards’ ongoing thesis of a fear of a U.S. dollar collapse at the hands of the Chinese (U.S. treasury bond holders of approximately $1 trillion) and, possibly, the Russians (threatening to launch a gold-backed ruble as an attractive alternative to the U.S. dollar) in retaliation for aggressive U.S. foreign policy initiatives against China’s and Russia’s strategic allies Iran and Syria.

“The one source that we have I’ve known since 1979,” Hagmann continued. “He started out as a patrol officer and currently he is now working for a federal agency under the umbrella of the Department of Homeland Security; he’s in a position to know what policies are being initiated, what policies are being planned at this point, and he’s telling us right now—look, what you’re seeing is just the tip of the iceberg. We are preparing, we, meaning the government, we are preparing for a massive civil war in this country.”

“There’s no hyperbole here,” he added, echoing Trends Research Institute’s Founder Gerald Celente’s forecast of last year. Celente expects a collapse of the U.S. dollar and riots in America some time this year.
A d v e r t i s e m e n t
Since Celente’s ‘Civil War’ prediction of last year, executive orders NDAA and National Defense Resources Preparedness were signed into law by President Obama, which are both politically damaging actions taken by a sitting president.

And most recently, requests made by the DHS for the procurement of 450 million rounds of hollow-point ammunition only fuels speculation of an upcoming tragic event expected on American soil.

These major events, as shocking to the American people as they are, have taken place during an election year.

Escalating preparatory activities by the executive branch and DHS throughout the last decade—from the Patriot Act, to countless executive orders drafted to suspend (or strip) American civil liberties “are just the beginning” of the nightmare to come, Hagmann said.

He added, “It’s going to get so much worse toward the election, and I’m not even sure we’re going to have an election in this country. It’s going to be that bad, and this, as well, is coming from my sources. But one source in particular said, ‘look, you don’t understand how bad it is.’ This stuff is real; these people, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), they are ready to fight the American people.”

TruNews‘ Wiles asked Hagmann: who does the DHS expect to fight, in particular? Another North versus South, the Yankees against the Confederates? Hagmann stated the situation is far worse than a struggle between any two factions within the U.S.; it’s an anticipated nationwide emergency event centered on the nation’s currency.

“What they [DHS] are expecting, and again, this is according to my sources, what they’re expecting is the un-sustainability of the American dollar,” Hagmann said. “And we know for a fact that we can no longer service our debt. There’s going to be a period of hyperinflation . . . the dollar will be worthless . . . The economic collapse will be so severe, people won’t be ready for this.”

Source: Full TruNews interview, May 2, 2012.

[Rogerc]

As a veteran myself, I disagree with you, aranuk. There are more honorable soldiers in the service than people realize. Good, honorable people.
Remember when active duty soldiers took a survey and were asked if they would kill Americans on American soil. I forget the number, but it was high enough to concern the leadership. Could this be the reason why there are so many hired mercenaries and foreign soldiers in the ranks? THEY wouldn't have a problem killing Americans....I am sorry but your training memories all gone for good or they were only for office duty not for combat.

I remember when I volunteered to join the army my father, (a WW11 grunt) said to me, "If you're going to throw your life away try for the Airforce, then the Navy and as a last resort the Army".

My idiot response was, "**** dad things have changed since you were in the army".

How wrong I was. On departure for SVN we were lined up and informed that we were now under Military Law and that refusal to obey an order from a superior officer would result in Court Marshall and a possible death sentence.

Things still haven't changed.

Ignore history at your peril.

[wynderer]

yes, there are many good & decent Humans in the military -- they are the ones who come home broken after what they have seen or what they are forced to do --

all the suicides happening now of the soldiers who served in our wars against the Iraqi & Afghani people

[Rogerc]

yes, there are many good & decent Humans in the military -- they are the ones who come home broken after what they have seen or what they are forced to do --

all the suicides happening now of the soldiers who served in our wars against the Iraqi & Afghani people

Yeh, PTSD is a huge problem as is the use of 'depleted' uranium shells used in the tanks.

[wynderer]

one of my friends is responsible for running an auditorium at an Ivy League U where the U's ROTC candidates held their graduation -- this was in BushII's 1st term, after the [un]Patriot Act was passed -- the officer speaking to them stressed very gravely that, always, their first allegiance was to our Constitution

re the poll about 'Would you fire on your fellow citizens if so ordered? -- i'd like to see the results of the same poll taken today -- you can bet some at the top are keeping a close eye on this

i've also read that there is a lot of drug use by our soldiers -- nothing new -- in the early round-ups of the Jews in Nazi-land, when the victims were forced to dig their own graves & then stand in line to be mowed down -- they had to let the soldiers get really drunk before they would do this

the drugs in 'Nam were kinder, gentler drugs than are being used now -- even heroin just zonks you out eventually

troops are now doing massive 'meds' -- the real danger w/these is the withdrawal -- as planned, withdrawal from most of these drugs induces psychosis -- cut off the meds in this country -- not a pretty picture

also there is growing use of speed by our soldiers -- i saw what happened in Haight-Ashbury in 'the Summer of Love' when the pot disappeared off the streets & they were flooded w/meth [see the book 'Acid Dreams' re the CIA doing the meth-spreading] -- it got pretty ugly -- & i've seen folks start using it & their personality completely changes






As a veteran myself, I disagree with you, aranuk. There are more honorable soldiers in the service than people realize. Good, honorable people.
Remember when active duty soldiers took a survey and were asked if they would kill Americans on American soil. I forget the number, but it was high enough to concern the leadership. Could this be the reason why there are so many hired mercenaries and foreign soldiers in the ranks? THEY wouldn't have a problem killing Americans....I am sorry but your training memories all gone for good or they were only for office duty not for combat.

I remember when I volunteered to join the army my father, (a WW11 grunt) said to me, "If you're going to throw your life away try for the Airforce, then the Navy and as a last resort the Army".

My idiot response was, "**** dad things have changed since you were in the army".

How wrong I was. On departure for SVN we were lined up and informed that we were now under Military Law and that refusal to obey an order from a superior officer would result in Court Marshall and a possible death sentence.

Things still haven't changed.

Ignore history at your peril.

[aranuk]

We have done so many of these joint exercises with NATO and non NATO soldiers here and in their own countries (Some come here because it is impossible in their countries). They make sure that all soldiers are trained in the same MMO's and SOP's in all terrains (ID Friend or Foe to prevent friendly fire etc). There has been a MAJOR focus on Urban Warfare since Somalia in the 90's and that particular type of warfare has been seriously specialized both in tactics and technology.

This all puts in the framework to pull "UN" soldiers into any theatre and be ready to work together at any moment. However, I agree that the major part of the U.S. Military WOULD reject orders to fire on our own Civilians. That is why they get people from another world region to do it. If they were to try to do this they would first create a pretext to send MOST ALL of our soldiers overseas to fight so they are not home at the time of the EVENT.

Go to the OATHKEEPERS Website, there were a vast majority of Soldiers that refused orders to disarm citizens than there were ones that gave backup to the FEMA and other FED's that DID go in to disarm old ladies with revolvers. I was in the region.

But, countless foreign Col.'s on up have discussed what a night mare it would be to try to disarm or subdue the American people. We are armed to the teeth and know how to use our weapons. We have plenty of Vets that know current tactics that could train a civilian army and get them up to speed quickly.

If THEY were to succeed they would have to come in with an incredible shock and awe campaigned and kill so many innocents it would be just crazy. They would have better success if they caused a Pandemic or caused a problem with crops or food and water supplies, maybe a disaster here or there (Manmade or Natural) and then send in the Blue Hats to “Save the day” and declare Martial Law.

I guarantee none of the foreign troops savor the idea of going street to street in any U.S. city clearing zones of “Hostiles”. I have to tell you that think the U.S. Troops will support the Cabal and not the people and Constitution… You are WRONG! For those of you Americans saying this shame on you. The OATH we take is not taken lightly.

Such promising news Corey. So does this also mean that there would be unsurmountable problems for the cabal if they were to try and enforce martial law then?

Stan

[GoodETxSG]

We have done so many of these joint exercises with NATO and non NATO soldiers here and in their own countries (Some come here because it is impossible in their countries). They make sure that all soldiers are trained in the same MMO's and SOP's in all terrains (ID Friend or Foe to prevent friendly fire etc). There has been a MAJOR focus on Urban Warfare since Somalia in the 90's and that particular type of warfare has been seriously specialized both in tactics and technology.

This all puts in the framework to pull "UN" soldiers into any theatre and be ready to work together at any moment. However, I agree that the major part of the U.S. Military WOULD reject orders to fire on our own Civilians. That is why they get people from another world region to do it. If they were to try to do this they would first create a pretext to send MOST ALL of our soldiers overseas to fight so they are not home at the time of the EVENT.

Go to the OATHKEEPERS Website, there were a vast majority of Soldiers that refused orders to disarm citizens than there were ones that gave backup to the FEMA and other FED's that DID go in to disarm old ladies with revolvers. I was in the region.

But, countless foreign Col.'s on up have discussed what a night mare it would be to try to disarm or subdue the American people. We are armed to the teeth and know how to use our weapons. We have plenty of Vets that know current tactics that could train a civilian army and get them up to speed quickly.

If THEY were to succeed they would have to come in with an incredible shock and awe campaigned and kill so many innocents it would be just crazy. They would have better success if they caused a Pandemic or caused a problem with crops or food and water supplies, maybe a disaster here or there (Manmade or Natural) and then send in the Blue Hats to “Save the day” and declare Martial Law.

I guarantee none of the foreign troops savor the idea of going street to street in any U.S. city clearing zones of “Hostiles”. I have to tell you that think the U.S. Troops will support the Cabal and not the people and Constitution… You are WRONG! For those of you Americans saying this shame on you. The OATH we take is not taken lightly.

Such promising news Corey. So does this also mean that there would be unsurmountable problems for the cabal if they were to try and enforce martial law then?

Stan

Yes for the most part, and NO… it depends mostly on how WELL the cabal is able to manipulating us into reacting a certain way. If we do not let them, WE take away their power. That is the only real power they have over us.

We do have a certain amount of responsibility of how we react to what ever they throw at us or trick us into thinking is happening. We as individuals need to decide if we will be ruled and manipulated through fear or not. It’s that simple and complicated my friends. I do not have all the inside knowledge or answers… None of us do. I do have some insight on how THEY work. If we play into their hands we are doing all of the work for them… which is what they are used to us doing. We have proven ourselves as a group to be easily manipulated… as they say “A PERSON is smart… PEOPLE are stupid”. It is very true, that is why they act on us as a group than as individuals.

[aranuk]

Such promising news Corey. So does this also mean that there would be unsurmountable problems for the cabal if they were to try and enforce martial law then?

Stan

Yes for the most part, and NO… it depends mostly on how WELL the cabal is able to manipulating us into reacting a certain way. If we do not let them, WE take away their power. That is the only real power they have over us.

We do have a certain amount of responsibility of how we react to what ever they throw at us or trick us into thinking is happening. We as individuals need to decide if we will be ruled and manipulated through fear or not. It’s that simple and complicated my friends. I do not have all the inside knowledge or answers… None of us do. I do have some insight on how THEY work. If we play into their hands we are doing all of the work for them… which is what they are used to us doing. We have proven ourselves as a group to be easily manipulated… as they say “A PERSON is smart… PEOPLE are stupid”. It is very true, that is why they act on us as a group than as individuals.

thanks Corey, so is the biggest and best weapon against them is to not be fooled by them?


Stan

[GoodETxSG]

Yes for the most part, and NO… it depends mostly on how WELL the cabal is able to manipulating us into reacting a certain way. If we do not let them, WE take away their power. That is the only real power they have over us.

We do have a certain amount of responsibility of how we react to what ever they throw at us or trick us into thinking is happening. We as individuals need to decide if we will be ruled and manipulated through fear or not. It’s that simple and complicated my friends. I do not have all the inside knowledge or answers… None of us do. I do have some insight on how THEY work. If we play into their hands we are doing all of the work for them… which is what they are used to us doing. We have proven ourselves as a group to be easily manipulated… as they say “A PERSON is smart… PEOPLE are stupid”. It is very true, that is why they act on us as a group than as individuals.

thanks Corey, so is the biggest and best weapon against them is to not be fooled by them?


Stan

You put it in a nutshell quite nicely. There is nothing to fear but fear itself... Well, nothing to fear but our own fear being used against us... and being manipulated into reacting like the puppets that we have always been... just what we accused the politicians of being. It sucks, but we have fallen for their dirty tricks for many years now.

They feed on our fear, so lets stop feeding them!

[wynderer]

from my old pal Corey G

You put it in a nutshell quite nicely. There is nothing to fear but fear itself... Well, nothing to fear but our own fear being used against us... and being manipulated into reacting like the puppets that we have always been... just what we accused the politicians of being. It sucks, but we have fallen for their dirty tricks for many years now.

They feed on our fear, so lets stop feeding them!

silly me -- & here i was all worried about the food supply being cut off, & guns, & FEMA camps -- silly me...

[GoodETxSG]

ON FEAR...

Oh, on another note, just sitting here and saw "SIGNS" the movie on Sci Fi TV... there was a blip for the new movie 'BATTLESHIP". THEY want us to fear anything that comes from space... they want your first reaction to be war for everything in general... but especially any beings from space. All of the shows and movies show they are here or conquest.

We could even be tricked into going to war with God and his Angels or Allah, or some Pure Angelic Service to others type of beings (However you want to categorize them) if we let them. Why else would they do this? To prepare us because they care for us? Or because they are afraid of losing their power? There are way more questions than answers.

Those who think they have the answers due to their own experiences or manipulated delusions are only fooling themselves; it is very irresponsible to fool others... that is the job of the CABAL!

[GoodETxSG]

:lalala: La La Land...


Awareness and activity in the now will determine our manifestation of our future. We must free our minds and think clearly for positive outcomes. Science is now revealing universal law at all levels. Think of those troops in the neighborhood there for our protection, and if in the moment of now this proves false then take defensive action if needed. Logic dictates that for every one of them there is at least one hundred of us. Fear not! IMHO

:peace:

Buddy,
I like following your posts but as you tried to warn me earlier in this thread it is a mute discussion.

I can't see what some of them are saying because I have "Ignored" their profiles and posts, but you realize that you cannot have a rational discussion with them right? It is a special type of insanity that is contagious.

That ignore function is such a wonderful thing. I highly recommend it... Your neck will feel better in no time from stopping all of the head shaking.



:der:
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results
:nono:
If they cannot tell the difference between Gov. federal storm troopers and the U.S. Military Forces, They will never ever get it. Not until the U.S. Military has all of the Gov. and corrupt Feds in the FEMA Camps they built for citizens.

Yea, I received a copy of that post, and I love it when people prove my point for me... Like I said, prepare for the worst, hope for the best... Have a way to protect yourself/family (Yes, guns/ammo), Communications ability (HAM Radio), have Silver/Gold to buy/barter for what you do not have, and have a minimum of 3 months of food/water for each family member on hand. See why I avoid circular debates with unstable people? Do your own research and make up your own minds and prepare accordingly.
Do not be enticed or lead astray by those who think they have the market cornered on TRUTH.

[Hervé]

Anything that's diverting from, or not addressing, the following is distraction:

DIPLOMACY BY DECEPTION (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/diplomacy_deception/diplomacy_deception06.htm)

by Dr, J Coleman (1993)


6 - Tavistock and "Operation Research" - Undeclared War


The founder for the Tavistock Institute (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/sociopol_tavistock.htm) for Human Relations, John Rawlings Reese, was to perfect a system that would subvert and then control the thinking of human beings so that they could be channeled in any direction so desired by the Committee of 300, also known as the Olympians. It must be said that to do this, one must introduce an automated mentality into the bulk of the targeted population. This is an objective with very far-reaching implications nationally and internationally.


The end result of Reese's objectives were and remain, control of all human life; its destruction when deemed desirable, whether it be through mass genocide or mass slavery. We are witnessing both today. One is the Global 2000 genocidal plan, which calls for the deaths of more of 500 million people by the year 2010; the other is slavery by an economic means. Both systems are fully operational and working side-by-side in today's America.


Reese began his Tavistock experiments in 1921; it soon became clear to him that his system could be applied both domestically and militarily. Reese said that the solution to the problems he foresaw needed a ruthless approach, without concern for religious or moral values. He later added another area to his list that of nationalism.


Reese is known to have studied the work of the Nine Unkown Men, as referred to in 1860 by the French writer Jacolliot. Among Jacolliot's remarks were that the Nine Unknown Men knew about the liberation of energy, sterilization by radiation, propaganda and psychological warfare, all of which were absolutely unheard of in that century. Jacolliot said that the technique of psychological warfare was "the most dangerous of all sciences is that of moulding mass opinion, because it would enable anyone to govern the whole world."


When it became obvious that British politicians were bent on solving the country's economic problems by means of another war, Reese was given 80,000 British Army recruits to use as guinea pigs. Operation Research was the name given to his project, and basically, it was designed to develop a methodology (logistics) in military management that would make the best use of limited military resources sea, air and land defense systems against Britain's foreign enemies.


Thus, the original program was a military-management one, but by 1946, Reese had developed Operation Research to the point that it could be applied as a civilian management program. Reese had "arrived," insofar as social engineering was concerned, but his work is concealed in top secret files at Tavistock. Technically, the Reese Tavistock manual, of which I have a copy, is a full declaration of war against the civilian population of any targeted country. Reese said that it had to be understood that "whenever any government, groups, persons in positions of power" use his methods without the consent of the people, it is understood by these governments or groups of people that conquest is the motive, and that domestic warfare exists between them and the public.


Reese discovered that with social engineering comes the greater need for information that can be rapidly collected and correlated. One of the earlier statements attributed to Reese was the necessity to stay ahead of society and predict its moves by engineering situations. A big breakthrough for Reese and his social tinkerers came with the discovery of linear programming by George B. Danzig in 1947. This came at a time when Reese was engaged in a war with the American nation, a war which is still ongoing, and which was greatly facilitated by the invention of the transistor by Bardeen, Brittain and Shockley in 1948.


Enter the Rockefellers, who gave a huge grant to Tavistock to enable Reese to press ahead with a study of the American economy, using Operation Research methods. Simultaneously, the Rockefeller Foundation gave Harvard University a four-year grant to create its own American economy model. The year was 1949, and Harvard pressed ahead with its own economic model, based on Tavistock's.


The only stipulation Reese made as a condition of his cooperation with Harvard, was that Tavistock methods be followed throughout. These were based upon the Prudential Assurance Bombing Survey Study, which led to saturation bombing of German worker housing as a means of bringing about the capitulation of the German war machine. These methods were now ready to be applied in a civilian context.


Reese made a detailed study of America's entry into WWI, which he deemed to be the beginning of the 20th century. Reese realized that for America to be seduced away from so-called "isolationism," American thinking would have to be drastically changed. Woodrow Wilson had dragged America into European affairs in 1916 with corruption and corrupting policies. Wilson sent American forces to fight on Europe's battlefields, in spite of the warnings issued by the Founding Fathers, to stay out of foreign entanglements. The Committee of 300 (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_sociopol_committee300.htm), was determined to keep the United States entangled in European and indeed world affairs forever after.


Wilson did not change Europe, but Europe changed America. The banishing of power politics, which is what Wilson thought he could do, was not possible, because power is politics and politics is economic power. This has been so since the earliest recorded history of politics: those of the city-states of the Sumer and Akkad of 5,000 years ago, right down to Hitler and the USSR. Economics is only an extension of a natural energy system, but that system, the elitists have always said, belongs under their control.


In order for an economy to be under the control of elite body, it has to be an economy that is predictable and totally manipulatable. This is what the Harvard model set out to accomplish, backed by the social dynamics of the Reese Operation Research. Reese had discovered that to achieve total predictability in population groups, the elements of society had to be brought under control under a yoke of slavery, and dispossessed of the means of discovering their predicament, so that not knowing how to unite or a joint defense, they would not know where to turn to for help.


That Tavistock methodology is at work can be found everywhere in the United States. People, not knowing where to turn to understand the predicament they find themselves in, turn to the worst place of all for supposed help: the government. The Harvard Economic Research Project, which began in 1948, embodied all the Reese principles, which, in turn, came out of the Prudential Bombing Survey and Operations Research. By joining forces, the elite (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/sociopol_globalelite.htm) felt that a means of controlling a nation's economy and the population was now available with the coming of the computer age — both a blessing and a terrible curse for mankind.


All science is only a means to an end, and man is knowledge (information), which ends in control. Who the beneficiaries of that control are was decided by the Committee of 300 and its antecedents 300 years ago. The war waged against the American people by Tavistock is now 47 years old and shows no signs of letting up. As energy is the key to all life on this planet, through diplomacy by deception and outright strong-arm methods, the Committee has gained control of most energy resources.


The Committee, by deception and dissembling, has also gained control of social energy, which is expressed in economic terms. Provided that the ordinary citizen could be kept ignorant of the real economic methods of bookkeeping, then the citizens would be doomed to lead a life of economic slavery. This is what has happened. We, the people, gave our consent to the economic controllers of our lives and became slaves of the elite. As Reese once said, people who will not use their intelligence have no better rights than dumb animals who have no intelligence at all. Economic slavery is essential if good order is to be maintained, and the ruling class may enjoy the fruits produced by slave labor.


Reese and his team of social scientists and social engineers went to work on the American public by learning first, then understanding, and then attacking, the social energy (economics) and the mental and physical weaknesses of the nation. Earlier, I said that the computer is both a blessing and a curse for mankind. On the positive side, there are many emerging economists who, through the use of computers, are starting to wake up to the fact that the Harvard model is a blueprint for economic slavery.


If this new breed of economic programmers can get its message out to the American people fast enough, the New World Order (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_sociopol_nwo.htm) (of slavery) can still be stopped. This is where diplomacy by deception plays such a vast role in subverting through the media, education and influencing the way we think by distracting us with issues of absolutely no importance, while the truly important issues are glossed over. In a major policy study meeting ordered by the Committee of 300 in 1954, it was made clear to economic experts, high-ranking government officials, bankers, and leaders of commerce and industry, that the war against the American people was to be stepped up.


Robert McNamara was one of those who said that, because peace and good order was being threatened by an out-of-control population, the wealth of the nation had to be moved away from the undisciplined masses and into the control of the self-disciplined few.

McNamara savagely attacked overpopulation, which he said threatened to change the world in which we live and make it ungovernable:


"We can begin with the most critical problems of population growth. As I have pointed out elsewhere, short of nuclear war itself, it is the gravest issue that the world faces in the decades ahead. If current trends continue, the world as a whole will not reach replacement level fertility - in effect an average of two children per family - until about the year 2020. That means that the world's population would finally stabilize at about 10 billion, compared with today's 4.3 billion.





"We call it stabilized, but what kind of stability would be possible? Can we assume that the levels of poverty, hunger, stress, crowding and frustration that such a situation could cause in the developing nations which by then would contain 9 out of 10 human beings on earth would be likely to assure social stability? Or, for that matter, military stability?


"It is not a world that any of us would want to live in. Is such a world inevitable? It is not but there are only two possible ways in which a world of 10 billion people can be averted. Either the current birthrate must come down more quickly, or the current death rates must go up. There is no other way.


"There are, of course, many ways in which the death rates can go up (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_sociopol_depopu.htm). In a thermonuclear age, war can accomplish it very quickly and decisively. Famine and disease are nature's ancient checks on population growth, and neither one has disappeared from the scene."
In 1979 McNamara repeated his message to the leading bankers from around the world, and Thomas Enders, a high-ranking State Department official, made the following statement:


"There is a single theme behind all of our work. We must reduce population growth. Either they do it our way, through nice, clean methods, or they will get the kind of a mess that we have in El Salvador, or Iran, or Beirut. Once population growth is out of control, it requires authoritarian government, even fascism, to reduce it. Civil war can help things, but it would have to be greatly expanded. To reduce population quickly, you have to pull all males into the fighting and kill significant numbers of fertile, child-bearing-age females."



The solution to the problem of a world in which the elite would not want to live is mass genocide. The Club of Rome (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_sociopol_clubrome.htm) was ordered to produce a blueprint that would wipe out 500 million of excess population. The plan was called Global 2000 (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_sociopol_depopu.htm#Global_2000_Program), and it was activated by spreading the AIDS virus throughout Africa and Brazil. Global 2000 was officially accepted as U.S. policy by President James Carter.

The conference members agreed that the,


"low-class element of society must be brought under total control, trained and assigned to duties at an early age, which can be accomplished by the quality of education, which must be the poorest of the poor. The lower-classes must be trained to accept their position, long before they have an opportunity to query it."





"Technically, children must be 'orphaned' in day care centers under government control. With such an initial handicap, the lower-classes will have little hope of upward mobility away from their assigned positions in life. The form of slavery we have in mind is essential for good social order, peace and tranquility.


"We have the resources to attack the vitality, options and mobility of the individuals in society by knowing through our social scientist, understanding and manipulating and attacking their sources of social energy (income), and therefore, their physical, mental and emotional strengths and weaknesses. The general public refuses to improve its own mentality. It has become a herd of proliferating barbarians, and a blight on the face of the earth.


"By measuring the economic habits by which the sheep try to run from their problems and escape from reality via the medium of 'entertainment', it is absolutely possible, applying Operation Research methods, to predict the probable combination shocks (created events) which are necessary to bring about complete control and subjugation of the population by subverting the economy. The strategy includes the use of amplifiers (advertising), and when we speak on television in the manner that a ten year old can relate to, then because of the suggestions made, that person will purchase that production impulse, the next time he comes across it in a store.


"The balance of power will provide the stability that the world of the 21st century is likely to achieve, rent as it will be, by passionate tribalism and by such seemingly insoluble issues like that posed by mass migration from the South to the North, and from farm to city. There may be mass transfers of population, such as those between Greece and Turkey in the aftermath of the First World War; really mass murders. It will be a time of troubles, in need of a unifier; an Alexander or Mohammed.


"A great change that will come about as a result of emerging conflicts between peoples who live side by side — and which will, by their intensity, take primacy over their other conflicts — is that political rivalry will be within regions, rather than between them. This will bring about a turning back from global politics. After a decade in which the U.S. and the Soviet Union dueled across oceans, the powers will focus on protecting themselves against forces on their frontiers — or within them.


"The American people do not know economic science and care little about it, hence, they are always ripe for war. They cannot avoid war, notwithstanding their religious morality, nor can they find in religion the solution to their earthly problems. They are knocked out of shape by economic experts who cause Shockwaves that wreck budgets and buying habits. The American public is yet to realize that we control their buying habits."
There we have it. Split up nations into tribal factions, keep the populace struggling to make a living and concerned with regional conflicts so that they will never have an opportunity to get a clear view of what is going on, let alone challenge it, and at the same time, bring about a drastic lowering of the world's population.


We see this happening in the former Yugoslavia, where the country is being forced into small, tribal entities, and we see it in America, where the average family has both parents working, and yet cannot make ends meet. These parents do not have time to pay careful attention to how they are being deceived and led into economic slavery. It is all a set-up.


Today, we observe — if we have the time— that the United States stand at the threshold of progressive dissolution as the result of Tavistock's silent "control" war against the American nation. The Bush presidency was a total disaster, and the Clinton presidency will be even more of a shock. This is the way the blueprint is drawn, and we, the people, are fast losing faith in our institutions and our ability to remake America into what it was intended to be — a very far cry from what it is now — overrun by foreign people who threaten to engulf the nation — a South-North invasion right here in our own country.


We have surrendered our real wealth for a promise of greater wealth, instead of compensation in real terms. We have fallen into the toils of the Babylonian system of "capitalism," which isn't capitalism at all, but an appearance of capital, as typified by currency which is in fact negative capital. This is deceptive and destructive. The U.S. dollar has the appearance of currency, but it is in fact a token of debt and indebtedness.


Currency as we know it will be balanced by war and genocide—which is what is happening in front of our very eyes. Total goods and services is real capital, and currency can be printed up to this level, but not beyond it. Once currency is printed beyond the level of goods and services, it becomes a destructive, subtractive force. War is the only way to "balance" the system by killing those creditors, which the people docilely gave up true value in exchange for inflated currency.


Energy (economics) is the key to all earthly activities. Hence the often repeated statement I have made that all wars are economic in origin. The thrust of the One World Government-New World Order must, of necessity, be to obtain a monopoly of all goods and services, raw materials, and control over the manner in which economics is taught. Only in this framework can the New World Order gain full control. In the United States, we are constantly helping the One World Government to obtain control of the world's natural resources by being tricked into giving part of our income for this purpose. It is called "foreign aid."


Tavistock's Operation Research project states as follows:


"Our research has established that the simplest mode of gaining control of people is to keep them undisciplined and in the dark of basic systems and principles while at the same time keeping them disorganized, confused and distracted by issues which are of relatively little import





"In addition to our less direct long-range penetration methods, this can be accomplished by a disengagement of mental activities and providing low quality programs of public education in mathematics, logic, system designs and economics and by discouraging technical creativity.


"Our mode calls for emotional stimulus, increased use of amplifiers which induce self-indulgence, whether direct (television programs) or advertising. We at Tavistock have found that the best way to accomplish the goal is through an unremitting and unrelenting emotional affrontation and attack (mental rape) through a constant barrage of sex, violence, wars, racial strife both in the electronic and print media. This steady diet could be called 'mental junk food'.


"Of primary importance is the revision of history and law and subjecting the populace to the deviant creation, thus shifting thinking from personal needs to constructed, fabricated outside priorities. The general rule is that there is profit in confusion, the greater the confusion, the greater the profit. One of the ways in which this can be accomplished is to create problems and then offer solutions.


"It is essential to divide the people, keep the adults' attention away from real issues and overcome their thinking with matters of relatively little importance. The young must be kept ignorant of mathematics; the proper teaching of economics and history must never be made available. Keep all groups so occupied with an endless round of issues and problems that they have no time to think clearly, and here, we rely on entertainment which should not reach beyond the mental capacity of a child in the sixth grade.


"When government is able to seize private property without just compensation, it is certain that people are ripe for surrender and consenting to slavery and legal encroachment. Energy sources which support a primitive economy are a supply of raw materials, the consent of people to labor, and assume a certain place, position, level in the social structure viz., provide labor at various levels of the structure.


"Each class, therefore, guarantees its level of income and hence controls the class immediately below it, thereby preserving the class structure. One of the best examples of this was found in the caste system in India, in which rigid control was exercised, ensuring that upward mobility which could threaten the elite at the top, was constrained. In this method is security and stability attained, and also a government from the top.


"The sovereignty of the elite is threatened when the lower classes, through communications and education become informed and envious of the power and possessions of the class above them. As some of them become better educated, they seek to rise higher through a real knowledge of economics-energy. This presents a real threat to the sovereignty of the elite class.


"It follows that the rise of the lower classes must be postponed long enough for the elite class to achieve energy (economic) dominance, labor by consent becoming a lesser economic source. Until such economic dominance is achieved to the fullest extent possible, the consent of people to labor and let others handle their affairs has to be taken into account. Failure to achieve this goal would result in interference in the final transfer of energy sources (economic wealth) to the control of the elite.


"Until such times, it is essential to recognize that public consent is still the essential key to the release of energy in the process of economic amplification. A consent of energy release system is therefore vital. Artificial security must be provided in the absence of the mother's womb, which can take the form of withdrawal, protective devices and shelters. Such shells will provide a stable environment for stable and unstable activity, and provide a shelter for the evolutionary processes of growth, that is to say, survival in a shelter that gives defensive protection against offensive activities.


"It applies equally to the elite and the lower classes, but there is a definite difference in the manner in which both these classes approach the solution of the problem. Our social science scientists have made out a very compelling case that the reason why individuals create a political structure is because they have a subconscious desire to perpetuate their childhood-dependency relationship.


"In the simplest of terms, what the subconscious longing demands is an earthly god to eliminate risks from their lives, put food on the table and pat them on the back in a comforting way when things don't go well. The demand for an earthly problem-solver-risk-eliminator is insatiable, which has given rise to a substitute earthly god: the politician. The insatiable public demand for 'protection' is met by promises, but the politician actually delivers little or nothing on his promises.


"Ever present in humans is a desire to control or subdue others who disturb their daily existence. However, they are unable to cope with the moral and religious issues such actions would raise, so they give the task to professional 'hit men', which we collectively call politicians.



"The services of politicians are engaged for a number of reasons, which, in the main are listed in the following order:



1) To obtain the longed-for security without managing it.





2) To obtain action without the need to act, and without having to give the desired action thought.




3) To avoid responsibility for their intentions.




4) To obtain the benefits of reality without exerting the necessary discipline of learning.


"We can readily divide a nation into two sub-categories, the Political Sub Nation and the Docile Sub-Nation. The politicians hold quasi-military jobs, of which the lowest is the police force, next come attorneys. The presidential level is run by the international bankers. The docile sub-nation finances the political machine by consent, that is to say, through taxation. The sub nation remains attached to the political sub-nation, the latter feeding off it and growing stronger, until the day comes when it is strong enough to devour its creator, the people."
When read in conjunction with the systems outlined in my book, the "Committee of 300 (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_sociopol_committee300.htm)", it is relatively easy to see just how far Tavistock's Operation Research project has succeeded, and nowhere more so than in the United States.


Recent statistics show that 75 percent of sixth grade school children were unable to pass what was called "the maths test." The maths test consisted of elementary simple arithmetic, which ought to tell us something. Mathematics did not come into the test at all. Cause for alarm?


You be the judge.

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The above is most probably derived from, but certainly corroborated by: Silent weapons for quiet wars (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_cooper2a.htm), which can also be found as an addendum in William Cooper's "Behold a Pale Horse (http://ephraiyim.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/william_cooper-behold_a_pale_horse1991_copy.pdf),"

[GoodETxSG]

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The founder for the Tavistock Institute (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/sociopol_tavistock.htm) for Human Relations, John Rawlings Reese, was to perfect a system that would subvert and then control the thinking of human beings so that they could be channeled in any direction so desired by the Committee of 300, also known as the Olympians. It must be said that to do this, one must introduce an automated mentality into the bulk of the targeted population. This is an objective with very far-reaching implications nationally and internationally.

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You are very well informed with a lot of great information, interpretation of that data is very important and for the most part you seem to be spot on.
Thanks for the post.


The "SKY IS NOT FALLING" and we need to make sure to give support to our troops and prevent ourselves from playing into the hands of the cabal... We have the capacity to act wisely and to support those helping to bring change. Sit back; keep your mouth shut and your ears open when this goes down.

Once you are informed and sure as you can be that you are not being mind controlled/manipulated... then join in on the correct side.
There are several "Chicken Little’s" on this site, fear is a control mechanism.

Take control of your fear/anger and channel it into strength and determination to build a new future and not be a part of the problem and a tool of the cabal. It is obviously too late for some of you/us...

:thumb:

[Hervé]

Critical times for the events driven sequence...

Here, we know of Drake's take on it.

Now, here is the other side of the same coin from Stan Deyo site (http://standeyo.com/NEWS/12_USA/120504.Hagmann.warning.html):


May 4, 2012
Douglas J. Hagmann
Hagmann Investigative Services, Inc. and Northeast Intelligence Network (http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/)




1ST PAGE

Civil war is coming to the US, and there's no stopping it
DHS prepping for economic collapse and money will be worthless.
Never seen it this bad; everyone is talking about what they personally will do.
DHS brass don't care and are conducting overt actions in plain sight. Most incoming troops are not for training (some are) but as part of a larger force.
All know BHO (Barack Hussein Obama) is constitutionally illegitimate.
All in Congress know this, and their families are being threatened to keep them quiet.
High level News Corp. people talked to the highest at DHS and TSA. The plan is to get people conditioned to seeing troops, paramilitary – get them conditioned to being searched.
Dollar will collapse – that will be the bigger event. The trigger event starts in Europe and then heads here. When we see that – start counting because we have only days left.
Bernanke / Geitner / top level bankers will be in hiding.
Election year – watch BHO's body language. Does he look afraid of not getting elected? "WTF wake up."
2ND PAGE

Then race riots, class riots.
Farrakhan is on DIA payroll and he will help start these riots.
Then Civil War, not sporadic riots and uprisings here and there.
There will be no food – no ETMs – no gas.
People will RUN to camps for assistance.
Guns must be abandoned and left with police in order to get food.
BHO & Bernanke are behind every stupid economic move.
Something with China troops here, but China debt to be called in – 5.5 trillion total.
Rosebud: How easy will will it be to quell 300+ million people?
No, the question is: How easy will it be to quell 300+ STARVING people who are unprepared?
Shoot to kill orders during collapse will be given to the police.
End of meeting
More later. Said next meeting 5 May (Sat.) outside of DC. Call Sunday.
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Corroborating event: Newly elected French president Francois Hollande is working at dumpimg the US dollar and at joining the BRICS nations (see: France to join BRICS nations? (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44825-France-to-join-BRICS-nations))

Are both real?

One disinfo of the other?

Which one?

Both disinfo?

[wynderer]

i don't think it takes insider knowledge to see that our economic situation is collapsing

re the food -- in 2006-2007 i knew a man who works on our railroads, the shpping end [not passenger trains] -- he said in 2006 our country had a very good harvest but that almost all of it was being shipped out of our country

& the following year, we'd also had a good harvest, but suddenly a lot of the train cars were no longer available , & when i last talked w/him, they were having trouble getting the grain transported

i believe by law our gov't is supposed to have stored a fed grain reserve to feed citizens -- & that the grain reserve is no more...



Critical times for the events driven sequence...

Here, we know of Drake's take on it.

Now, here is the other side of the same coin from Stan Deyo site (http://standeyo.com/NEWS/12_USA/120504.Hagmann.warning.html):


May 4, 2012
Douglas J. Hagmann
Hagmann Investigative Services, Inc. and Northeast Intelligence Network (http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/)




1ST PAGE

Civil war is coming to the US, and there's no stopping it
DHS prepping for economic collapse and money will be worthless.
Never seen it this bad; everyone is talking about what they personally will do.
DHS brass don't care and are conducting overt actions in plain sight. [I]Most incoming troops are not for training (some are) but as part of a larger force.
All know BHO (Barack Hussein Obama) is constitutionally illegitimate.
All in Congress know this, and their families are being threatened to keep them quiet.
High level News Corp. people talked to the highest at DHS and TSA. The plan is to get people conditioned to seeing troops, paramilitary – get them conditioned to being searched.
Dollar will collapse – that will be the bigger event. The trigger event starts in Europe and then heads here. When we see that – start counting because we have only days left.
Bernanke / Geitner / top level bankers will be in hiding.
Election year – watch BHO's body language. Does he look afraid of not getting elected? "WTF wake up."
2ND PAGE

Then race riots, class riots.
Farrakhan is on DIA payroll and he will help start these riots.
Then Civil War, not sporadic riots and uprisings here and there.
There will be no food – no ETMs – no gas.
People will RUN to camps for assistance.
Guns must be abandoned and left with police in order to get food.
BHO & Bernanke are behind every stupid economic move.
Something with China troops here, but China debt to be called in – 5.5 trillion total.
Rosebud: How easy will will it be to quell 300+ million people?
No, the question is: How easy will it be to quell 300+ STARVING people who are unprepared?
Shoot to kill orders during collapse will be given to the police.
End of meeting
More later. Said next meeting 5 May (Sat.) outside of DC. Call Sunday.
**************************************************


Corroborating event: Newly elected French president Francois Hollande is working at dumpimg the US dollar and at joining the BRICS nations (see: France to join BRICS nations? (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44825-France-to-join-BRICS-nations))

Are both real?

One disinfo of the other?

Which one?

Both disinfo?

[Hervé]

Here is the Sunday follow-up conversation with "Rosebud as reported by Hagmann:



[...]

My source stated that he has not seen things this bad since he began working within DHS. “It’s like they [DHS agency heads] don’t care about what the American people see or feel about what the DHS agencies are doing. They figure that if the average American will put up with being “sexually groped and nuked” just to fly, they’ll accept almost anything. “That’s why their actions are becoming more overt. “It’s in your face and the brass actually chuckle about it” said my source.


New Information

Astounded by the information my source provided “going viral,” I spoke to him again early Sunday morning. This was a scheduled telephone call (as noted on page 2 of my notes) based on a high level meeting of DHS personnel that was scheduled for and took place in Chantilly, Virginia, on Saturday, 5 May 2012. He hoped to provide me with more information to supplement that which he already given. Although he was not personally present, his source was. While he would not say who was at the meeting on Saturday or give its precise location, he said that the many of the names would be recognizable. He spoke to his source late Saturday night.
I contacted him on his cellular phone early Sunday morning to get the promised update.

“Geez, nice job on getting the word out about what’s really going on at DHS and in this administration,” were the first words out of his mouth, followed by “thanks a lot.” I asked him why he would be thanking me. “I just wanna’ tell you that I’m going to have to hire someone to start my car, and I’m surely not going for any rides in small planes in the immediate future,” he said with a bit of nervous laughter. “I hope no one finds out who I am or it’s going to be more than my pension I’ll have to worry about.”

“I can tell you word is getting out that people are starting to wake up, which is causing a lot of ‘pissed off brass.’ I can’t tell if they are more desperate or upset about the exposure, but the tone is starting to become a lot more tense. I hope that we’re having something to do with that,” he added.

With that, he provided me with additional information to supplement that which he already given me on 25 April. For clarity purposes, I have combined the information together from both contacts. The following information includes the updated information provided to me Sunday morning.

[...]

“They’re power hungry, and they want to remain in charge,” stated this source.

The “surreal” aspect of suspended elections won’t look so surreal when you see any or all of the “trigger points” take place in the not-so-distant future.

“The end-game plan for America is its destruction as a Constitutional Republic, with the assistance of the agencies under the umbrella of the DHS.”

My sourced stated one more thing that seemed to tie things together. He urged me to recall the quote by Henry Kissinger who was speaking at a Bilderberg meeting at Evian, France, on 21 May 1992:

"Today Americans would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order; tomorrow they will be grateful. This is especially true if they were told there was an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead with world leaders to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well being granted to them by their world government."

That threat need not be from beyond. All it might take is a world of starving, broke and desperate people.


Full article here: http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/46516

Seems like things are precipitating fast...

[Davidallany]

U.S. Troops In Neighboorhood Streets Fully Armed
Posted on April 30, 2012 by Admin
Libertarian Review

http://libertarianreview.us/2012/04/30/u-s-troops-in-neighboorhood-streets-fully-armed

http://libertarianreview.us/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/62610_442593702421042_100000112471687_1865179_970537961_n1.jpg

The photo shown at left was taken by a subscriber in the city of Crookston, MN from the front porch of her suburban home.
...
Lookes like Iraq to me.

[wynderer]

looks like a USA neighborhood to me, & i've lived all over my country



Lookes like Iraq to me.

[wynderer]

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[GoodETxSG]

U.S. Troops In Neighboorhood Streets Fully Armed
Posted on April 30, 2012 by Admin
Libertarian Review

http://libertarianreview.us/2012/04/30/u-s-troops-in-neighboorhood-streets-fully-armed

http://libertarianreview.us/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/62610_442593702421042_100000112471687_1865179_970537961_n1.jpg

The photo shown at left was taken by a subscriber in the city of Crookston, MN from the front porch of her suburban home.
...
Lookes like Iraq to me.

Na, Iraq? Tis good ole CO or NM. The CABAL people want you to see this and go to your nearest FEAR PORN site and buy stuff and say stuff that puts you in their database of "Dissidents"... Prepare yourself etc... but I am going to sound like a broken record again if I try to drill home the point of all of this to people that have their tin foil lined helmets on... those things deflect reason and sanity very well... so it appears.

Mean while the good ole troops are doing actual training that helps them abroad as well as at home in case any disturbance breaks out. I have chatted it up with the Guardsmen at the local Armories and they are aware of all of this on the Internet.

They are more afraid of how the American people are going to react to them than they are about being ordered to fire on citizens. The DOD knows for a fact that the soldiers will not do it as they have been polled and psychologically tested to see how they would react to doing so not only in their communities but in a far away state where they don’t know anyone. Just be sure to NOT believe everything you SEE, especially READ in some of the reports or HEAR. Tread lightly people…

[GoodETxSG]

Deleted by poster to spare the rest of the members this toxic exchange.

[GoodETxSG]

Deleted by poster to spare the rest of the members this toxic exchange.

[wynderer]

from D Icke's Headlines:

The US Military Wants To 'Microchip' Troops

DARPA is at it again. This time, the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency has announced plans to create nanochips for monitoring troops health on the battlefield.

Kate Knibbs at Mobiledia reports the sensors are targeted at preventing illness and disease, the two causes of most troops medical evacuations.

What seems like a simple way of cutting costs and increasing efficiency has some people concerned that this is the first step in a "computer chips for all" scenario.

Bob Unruh at WND reports one of those opponents, Katherine Albrecht, co-author of Spychips says “It’s never going to happen that the government at gunpoint says, ‘You’re going to have a tracking chip. It’s always in incremental steps. If you can put a microchip in someone that doesn’t track them … everybody looks and says, ‘Come on, it’ll be interesting seeing where we go.'”

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Read more: http://articles.businessinsider.com/2012-05-06/news/31591343_1_troops-first-step-computer-chips#ixzz1uGcLM5ti

[wynderer]

Wednesday, May 9, 2012
U.S. military conducts ‘realistic urban training’ exercise in Miami
Madison Ruppert, Contributor
Activist Post

Miami residents were startled to hear the sound of low-flying military helicopters and explosions emanating from the abandoned Grand Bay Hotel in the early hours of Tuesday morning.

It turns out that the United States military was conducting a “realistic urban training” exercise involving some 100 soldiers organized by the U.S. Special Operations Command (SOCOM).

This is just one of many military exercises being held on American soil in recent years, including an inter-agency exercise conducted in my local area of Los Angeles. My attempts to obtain any information on that drill were thwarted and/or ignored by the Los Angeles Police Department.

With the many military drills being conducted in urban locales, the legislative frameworks in place, as well as KBR’s “National Quick Response Teams,” the similar solicitation put out by FEMA not long ago, and the recently exposed internment and resettlement operations manual (see below video), I believe that many Americans are likely concerned about what this all means.
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http://www.activistpost.com/2012/05/us-military-conducts-realistic-urban.html

[wynderer]

another article from Activist Post:

Tuesday, May 1, 2012
The Silent War Within the Brains of U.S. Soldiers
Activist Post

While many "patriotic" Americans feel good about cheering on their soldiers to enter any and every battlefield that politicians and elites convince them is necessary, there already have been signs that the stress of such long-term battle is taking a horrible mental toll.

There is an equally troubling discussion by the military about how best to cover up the consequences of the trauma endured. We have read about the testing of neuroscience applications that can erase traumatic memories with just the pop of a pill. However, it is the more common pharmaceutical prescription drugs that are increasingly widespread. As discussed in the video below, there are now 110,000 troops on amphetamines, antidepressants, and sedatives among other prescribed medications, which is leading to higher rates of suicide, and poor judgement resulting in the deaths of friends and foes alike.
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http://www.activistpost.com/2012/05/silent-war-within-brains-of-us-soldiers.html

[GoodETxSG]

Another waste of my time... ppl already flashing back to 1970 and typing their rebukes, but here it goes anyway...
Ummm, David Icke and the Activist Post as a source of TRUTH?... US Army has already said NO... the JAG said NO to any type of tracking chips implanted as if our most sophisticated encrypted UAV can be hacked and landed in IRAN then so can the network of "Chipped Soldiers" and their positions and numbers instantly known. Crazy stuff...

Foreign Military troops have been training on American Soil for many decades, but fringe media only started reporting on it with sinister plots recently. They do not have the facilities in their countries or the safety/security for our soldiers to train. So I waste my time again for those searching for "Demons under Doilies"... you will see something sinister in everything done by the Military.

http://www.txsg.state.tx.us/guidon/docs/2012AprGuidon.pdf

http://www.txmf.us/dispatch/2012/mar.pdf

http://www.txmf.us/

http://www.txsg.state.tx.us/

http://cpsr.org/index.html

http://www.kmimediagroup.com/files/MIT%2016-4_FINAL(1).pdf

http://www.socom.mil/sordac/PEO/C4/Pages/MISO_CA.aspx

http://www.usacapoc.army.mil/facts-psyop.html

http://www.army.mil/article/20660/new-field-manual-focuses-on-training-foreign-forces/

https://usasma.bliss.army.mil/NCOJournal/Archives/2010/August/PDFs/truppenubungsplatzinBayern.pdf - click continue/proceed anyway...

Put on your tin foil hat first so they do not read your thoughts... :tinfoil3:

[wynderer]

easy to slip microchips in w/all the vaccinations.

..
Another waste of my time... ppl already flashing back to 1970 and typing their rebukes, but here it goes anyway...
Ummm, David Icke and the Activist Post as a source of TRUTH?... US Army has already said NO... the JAG said NO to any type of tracking chips implanted as if our most sophisticated encrypted UAV can be hacked and landed in IRAN then so can the network of "Chipped Soldiers" and their positions and numbers instantly known. Crazy stuff...

Foreign Military troops have been training on American Soil for many decades. The do not have the facilities in their countries or the safety/security for our soldiers to train. So I waste my time again for those searching for "Demons under Doilies"... you will see something sinister in everything done by the Military.

http://www.txsg.state.tx.us/guidon/docs/2012AprGuidon.pdf

http://www.txmf.us/dispatch/2012/mar.pdf

http://www.txmf.us/

http://www.txsg.state.tx.us/

http://cpsr.org/index.html

http://www.kmimediagroup.com/files/MIT%2016-4_FINAL(1).pdf

http://www.socom.mil/sordac/PEO/C4/Pages/MISO_CA.aspx

http://www.usacapoc.army.mil/facts-psyop.html

http://www.army.mil/article/20660/new-field-manual-focuses-on-training-foreign-forces/

https://usasma.bliss.army.mil/NCOJournal/Archives/2010/August/PDFs/truppenubungsplatzinBayern.pdf - click continue/proceed anyway...

[GoodETxSG]

Deleted by poster to spare the rest of the members this toxic exchange.

[wynderer]

[Mod-edit: Deleted by admin, as it was a response to a deleted post above. -Paul.]

[GoodETxSG]

[Mod-edit: Deleted by admin, as it was a response to a deleted post above. -Paul.]

[wynderer]

[Mod-edit: Deleted by admin, as it was a response to a deleted post above. -Paul.]

[modwiz]

Another waste of my time... ppl already flashing back to 1970 and typing their rebukes, but here it goes anyway...
Ummm, David Icke and the Activist Post as a source of TRUTH?... US Army has already said NO... the JAG said NO to any type of tracking chips implanted as if our most sophisticated encrypted UAV can be hacked and landed in IRAN then so can the network of "Chipped Soldiers" and their positions and numbers instantly known. Crazy stuff...

Foreign Military troops have been training on American Soil for many decades, but fringe media only started reporting on it with sinister plots recently. They do not have the facilities in their countries or the safety/security for our soldiers to train. So I waste my time again for those searching for "Demons under Doilies"... you will see something sinister in everything done by the Military.

http://www.txsg.state.tx.us/guidon/docs/2012AprGuidon.pdf

http://www.txmf.us/dispatch/2012/mar.pdf

http://www.txmf.us/

http://www.txsg.state.tx.us/

http://cpsr.org/index.html

http://www.kmimediagroup.com/files/MIT%2016-4_FINAL(1).pdf

http://www.socom.mil/sordac/PEO/C4/Pages/MISO_CA.aspx

http://www.usacapoc.army.mil/facts-psyop.html

http://www.army.mil/article/20660/new-field-manual-focuses-on-training-foreign-forces/

https://usasma.bliss.army.mil/NCOJournal/Archives/2010/August/PDFs/truppenubungsplatzinBayern.pdf - click continue/proceed anyway...

Put on your tin foil hat first so they do not read your thoughts... :tinfoil3:

Not a waste of your time, IMO. Others like you take heart in knowing that the world is not completely turning into chicken littles. Although almost expected 'out there' with people getting misy info from MSM, it is very disheartening to see the 'enlightened' alternative community falling for the same fear porn and the brain paralysis it produces. It is working as intended and the target audience is sadly wider than is good for morale.

Your contributions are huge morale boosters, Corey. One of the candles in the darkness.

[tenacity1]

wasn't it Bill Ryan who coined the phrase "Fear pron" I love that man for that one phrase. God bless him.. I also think that everyone has the right to believe what they want to.. we can allow fear and differences to divide us or we can respect our differences and look for commonality. Peace be with you all

[modwiz]

[Mod-edit: Deleted by admin, as it was a response to a deleted post above. -Paul.]

[GoodETxSG]

Deleted by poster to spare the rest of the members this toxic exchange.

[wynderer]

[Mod-edit: Deleted by admin, as it was a response to a deleted post above. -Paul.]

[modwiz]

[Mod-edit: Deleted by admin, as it was a response to a deleted post above. -Paul.]

[wynderer]

bump to get back on topic -- Corey & Modwiz, if you want to argue w/someone, perhaps you could write to Activist Post or Madison Ruppert


Wednesday, May 9, 2012
U.S. military conducts ‘realistic urban training’ exercise in Miami
Madison Ruppert, Contributor
Activist Post

Miami residents were startled to hear the sound of low-flying military helicopters and explosions emanating from the abandoned Grand Bay Hotel in the early hours of Tuesday morning.

It turns out that the United States military was conducting a “realistic urban training” exercise involving some 100 soldiers organized by the U.S. Special Operations Command (SOCOM).

This is just one of many military exercises being held on American soil in recent years, including an inter-agency exercise conducted in my local area of Los Angeles. My attempts to obtain any information on that drill were thwarted and/or ignored by the Los Angeles Police Department.

With the many military drills being conducted in urban locales, the legislative frameworks in place, as well as KBR’s “National Quick Response Teams,” the similar solicitation put out by FEMA not long ago, and the recently exposed internment and resettlement operations manual (see below video), I believe that many Americans are likely concerned about what this all means.
[clip]
http://www.activistpost.com/2012/05/us-military-conducts-realistic-urban.html

[modwiz]

[Mod-edit: Deleted by admin, as it was a response to a deleted post above. -Paul.]

[GoodETxSG]

[Mod-edit: Deleted by admin, as it was a response to a deleted post above. -Paul.]

[wynderer]

another back on topic bump


Anything that's diverting from, or not addressing, the following is distraction:

DIPLOMACY BY DECEPTION (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/diplomacy_deception/diplomacy_deception06.htm)

by Dr, J Coleman (1993)


6 - Tavistock and "Operation Research" - Undeclared War


The founder for the Tavistock Institute (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/sociopol_tavistock.htm) for Human Relations, John Rawlings Reese, was to perfect a system that would subvert and then control the thinking of human beings so that they could be channeled in any direction so desired by the Committee of 300, also known as the Olympians. It must be said that to do this, one must introduce an automated mentality into the bulk of the targeted population. This is an objective with very far-reaching implications nationally and internationally.


The end result of Reese's objectives were and remain, control of all human life; its destruction when deemed desirable, whether it be through mass genocide or mass slavery. We are witnessing both today. One is the Global 2000 genocidal plan, which calls for the deaths of more of 500 million people by the year 2010; the other is slavery by an economic means. Both systems are fully operational and working side-by-side in today's America.


Reese began his Tavistock experiments in 1921; it soon became clear to him that his system could be applied both domestically and militarily. Reese said that the solution to the problems he foresaw needed a ruthless approach, without concern for religious or moral values. He later added another area to his list that of nationalism.


Reese is known to have studied the work of the Nine Unkown Men, as referred to in 1860 by the French writer Jacolliot. Among Jacolliot's remarks were that the Nine Unknown Men knew about the liberation of energy, sterilization by radiation, propaganda and psychological warfare, all of which were absolutely unheard of in that century. Jacolliot said that the technique of psychological warfare was "the most dangerous of all sciences is that of moulding mass opinion, because it would enable anyone to govern the whole world."


When it became obvious that British politicians were bent on solving the country's economic problems by means of another war, Reese was given 80,000 British Army recruits to use as guinea pigs. Operation Research was the name given to his project, and basically, it was designed to develop a methodology (logistics) in military management that would make the best use of limited military resources sea, air and land defense systems against Britain's foreign enemies.


Thus, the original program was a military-management one, but by 1946, Reese had developed Operation Research to the point that it could be applied as a civilian management program. Reese had "arrived," insofar as social engineering was concerned, but his work is concealed in top secret files at Tavistock. Technically, the Reese Tavistock manual, of which I have a copy, is a full declaration of war against the civilian population of any targeted country. Reese said that it had to be understood that "whenever any government, groups, persons in positions of power" use his methods without the consent of the people, it is understood by these governments or groups of people that conquest is the motive, and that domestic warfare exists between them and the public.


Reese discovered that with social engineering comes the greater need for information that can be rapidly collected and correlated. One of the earlier statements attributed to Reese was the necessity to stay ahead of society and predict its moves by engineering situations. A big breakthrough for Reese and his social tinkerers came with the discovery of linear programming by George B. Danzig in 1947. This came at a time when Reese was engaged in a war with the American nation, a war which is still ongoing, and which was greatly facilitated by the invention of the transistor by Bardeen, Brittain and Shockley in 1948.


Enter the Rockefellers, who gave a huge grant to Tavistock to enable Reese to press ahead with a study of the American economy, using Operation Research methods. Simultaneously, the Rockefeller Foundation gave Harvard University a four-year grant to create its own American economy model. The year was 1949, and Harvard pressed ahead with its own economic model, based on Tavistock's.


The only stipulation Reese made as a condition of his cooperation with Harvard, was that Tavistock methods be followed throughout. These were based upon the Prudential Assurance Bombing Survey Study, which led to saturation bombing of German worker housing as a means of bringing about the capitulation of the German war machine. These methods were now ready to be applied in a civilian context.


Reese made a detailed study of America's entry into WWI, which he deemed to be the beginning of the 20th century. Reese realized that for America to be seduced away from so-called "isolationism," American thinking would have to be drastically changed. Woodrow Wilson had dragged America into European affairs in 1916 with corruption and corrupting policies. Wilson sent American forces to fight on Europe's battlefields, in spite of the warnings issued by the Founding Fathers, to stay out of foreign entanglements. The Committee of 300 (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_sociopol_committee300.htm), was determined to keep the United States entangled in European and indeed world affairs forever after.


Wilson did not change Europe, but Europe changed America. The banishing of power politics, which is what Wilson thought he could do, was not possible, because power is politics and politics is economic power. This has been so since the earliest recorded history of politics: those of the city-states of the Sumer and Akkad of 5,000 years ago, right down to Hitler and the USSR. Economics is only an extension of a natural energy system, but that system, the elitists have always said, belongs under their control.


In order for an economy to be under the control of elite body, it has to be an economy that is predictable and totally manipulatable. This is what the Harvard model set out to accomplish, backed by the social dynamics of the Reese Operation Research. Reese had discovered that to achieve total predictability in population groups, the elements of society had to be brought under control under a yoke of slavery, and dispossessed of the means of discovering their predicament, so that not knowing how to unite or a joint defense, they would not know where to turn to for help.


That Tavistock methodology is at work can be found everywhere in the United States. People, not knowing where to turn to understand the predicament they find themselves in, turn to the worst place of all for supposed help: the government. The Harvard Economic Research Project, which began in 1948, embodied all the Reese principles, which, in turn, came out of the Prudential Bombing Survey and Operations Research. By joining forces, the elite (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/sociopol_globalelite.htm) felt that a means of controlling a nation's economy and the population was now available with the coming of the computer age — both a blessing and a terrible curse for mankind.


All science is only a means to an end, and man is knowledge (information), which ends in control. Who the beneficiaries of that control are was decided by the Committee of 300 and its antecedents 300 years ago. The war waged against the American people by Tavistock is now 47 years old and shows no signs of letting up. As energy is the key to all life on this planet, through diplomacy by deception and outright strong-arm methods, the Committee has gained control of most energy resources.


The Committee, by deception and dissembling, has also gained control of social energy, which is expressed in economic terms. Provided that the ordinary citizen could be kept ignorant of the real economic methods of bookkeeping, then the citizens would be doomed to lead a life of economic slavery. This is what has happened. We, the people, gave our consent to the economic controllers of our lives and became slaves of the elite. As Reese once said, people who will not use their intelligence have no better rights than dumb animals who have no intelligence at all. Economic slavery is essential if good order is to be maintained, and the ruling class may enjoy the fruits produced by slave labor.


Reese and his team of social scientists and social engineers went to work on the American public by learning first, then understanding, and then attacking, the social energy (economics) and the mental and physical weaknesses of the nation. Earlier, I said that the computer is both a blessing and a curse for mankind. On the positive side, there are many emerging economists who, through the use of computers, are starting to wake up to the fact that the Harvard model is a blueprint for economic slavery.


If this new breed of economic programmers can get its message out to the American people fast enough, the New World Order (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_sociopol_nwo.htm) (of slavery) can still be stopped. This is where diplomacy by deception plays such a vast role in subverting through the media, education and influencing the way we think by distracting us with issues of absolutely no importance, while the truly important issues are glossed over. In a major policy study meeting ordered by the Committee of 300 in 1954, it was made clear to economic experts, high-ranking government officials, bankers, and leaders of commerce and industry, that the war against the American people was to be stepped up.


Robert McNamara was one of those who said that, because peace and good order was being threatened by an out-of-control population, the wealth of the nation had to be moved away from the undisciplined masses and into the control of the self-disciplined few.

McNamara savagely attacked overpopulation, which he said threatened to change the world in which we live and make it ungovernable:


"We can begin with the most critical problems of population growth. As I have pointed out elsewhere, short of nuclear war itself, it is the gravest issue that the world faces in the decades ahead. If current trends continue, the world as a whole will not reach replacement level fertility - in effect an average of two children per family - until about the year 2020. That means that the world's population would finally stabilize at about 10 billion, compared with today's 4.3 billion.





"We call it stabilized, but what kind of stability would be possible? Can we assume that the levels of poverty, hunger, stress, crowding and frustration that such a situation could cause in the developing nations which by then would contain 9 out of 10 human beings on earth would be likely to assure social stability? Or, for that matter, military stability?


"It is not a world that any of us would want to live in. Is such a world inevitable? It is not but there are only two possible ways in which a world of 10 billion people can be averted. Either the current birthrate must come down more quickly, or the current death rates must go up. There is no other way.


"There are, of course, many ways in which the death rates can go up (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_sociopol_depopu.htm). In a thermonuclear age, war can accomplish it very quickly and decisively. Famine and disease are nature's ancient checks on population growth, and neither one has disappeared from the scene."
In 1979 McNamara repeated his message to the leading bankers from around the world, and Thomas Enders, a high-ranking State Department official, made the following statement:


"There is a single theme behind all of our work. We must reduce population growth. Either they do it our way, through nice, clean methods, or they will get the kind of a mess that we have in El Salvador, or Iran, or Beirut. Once population growth is out of control, it requires authoritarian government, even fascism, to reduce it. Civil war can help things, but it would have to be greatly expanded. To reduce population quickly, you have to pull all males into the fighting and kill significant numbers of fertile, child-bearing-age females."



The solution to the problem of a world in which the elite would not want to live is mass genocide. The Club of Rome (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_sociopol_clubrome.htm) was ordered to produce a blueprint that would wipe out 500 million of excess population. The plan was called Global 2000 (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_sociopol_depopu.htm#Global_2000_Program), and it was activated by spreading the AIDS virus throughout Africa and Brazil. Global 2000 was officially accepted as U.S. policy by President James Carter.

The conference members agreed that the,


"low-class element of society must be brought under total control, trained and assigned to duties at an early age, which can be accomplished by the quality of education, which must be the poorest of the poor. The lower-classes must be trained to accept their position, long before they have an opportunity to query it."





"Technically, children must be 'orphaned' in day care centers under government control. With such an initial handicap, the lower-classes will have little hope of upward mobility away from their assigned positions in life. The form of slavery we have in mind is essential for good social order, peace and tranquility.


"We have the resources to attack the vitality, options and mobility of the individuals in society by knowing through our social scientist, understanding and manipulating and attacking their sources of social energy (income), and therefore, their physical, mental and emotional strengths and weaknesses. The general public refuses to improve its own mentality. It has become a herd of proliferating barbarians, and a blight on the face of the earth.


"By measuring the economic habits by which the sheep try to run from their problems and escape from reality via the medium of 'entertainment', it is absolutely possible, applying Operation Research methods, to predict the probable combination shocks (created events) which are necessary to bring about complete control and subjugation of the population by subverting the economy. The strategy includes the use of amplifiers (advertising), and when we speak on television in the manner that a ten year old can relate to, then because of the suggestions made, that person will purchase that production impulse, the next time he comes across it in a store.


"The balance of power will provide the stability that the world of the 21st century is likely to achieve, rent as it will be, by passionate tribalism and by such seemingly insoluble issues like that posed by mass migration from the South to the North, and from farm to city. There may be mass transfers of population, such as those between Greece and Turkey in the aftermath of the First World War; really mass murders. It will be a time of troubles, in need of a unifier; an Alexander or Mohammed.


"A great change that will come about as a result of emerging conflicts between peoples who live side by side — and which will, by their intensity, take primacy over their other conflicts — is that political rivalry will be within regions, rather than between them. This will bring about a turning back from global politics. After a decade in which the U.S. and the Soviet Union dueled across oceans, the powers will focus on protecting themselves against forces on their frontiers — or within them.


"The American people do not know economic science and care little about it, hence, they are always ripe for war. They cannot avoid war, notwithstanding their religious morality, nor can they find in religion the solution to their earthly problems. They are knocked out of shape by economic experts who cause Shockwaves that wreck budgets and buying habits. The American public is yet to realize that we control their buying habits."
There we have it. Split up nations into tribal factions, keep the populace struggling to make a living and concerned with regional conflicts so that they will never have an opportunity to get a clear view of what is going on, let alone challenge it, and at the same time, bring about a drastic lowering of the world's population.


We see this happening in the former Yugoslavia, where the country is being forced into small, tribal entities, and we see it in America, where the average family has both parents working, and yet cannot make ends meet. These parents do not have time to pay careful attention to how they are being deceived and led into economic slavery. It is all a set-up.


Today, we observe — if we have the time— that the United States stand at the threshold of progressive dissolution as the result of Tavistock's silent "control" war against the American nation. The Bush presidency was a total disaster, and the Clinton presidency will be even more of a shock. This is the way the blueprint is drawn, and we, the people, are fast losing faith in our institutions and our ability to remake America into what it was intended to be — a very far cry from what it is now — overrun by foreign people who threaten to engulf the nation — a South-North invasion right here in our own country.


We have surrendered our real wealth for a promise of greater wealth, instead of compensation in real terms. We have fallen into the toils of the Babylonian system of "capitalism," which isn't capitalism at all, but an appearance of capital, as typified by currency which is in fact negative capital. This is deceptive and destructive. The U.S. dollar has the appearance of currency, but it is in fact a token of debt and indebtedness.


Currency as we know it will be balanced by war and genocide—which is what is happening in front of our very eyes. Total goods and services is real capital, and currency can be printed up to this level, but not beyond it. Once currency is printed beyond the level of goods and services, it becomes a destructive, subtractive force. War is the only way to "balance" the system by killing those creditors, which the people docilely gave up true value in exchange for inflated currency.


Energy (economics) is the key to all earthly activities. Hence the often repeated statement I have made that all wars are economic in origin. The thrust of the One World Government-New World Order must, of necessity, be to obtain a monopoly of all goods and services, raw materials, and control over the manner in which economics is taught. Only in this framework can the New World Order gain full control. In the United States, we are constantly helping the One World Government to obtain control of the world's natural resources by being tricked into giving part of our income for this purpose. It is called "foreign aid."


Tavistock's Operation Research project states as follows:


"Our research has established that the simplest mode of gaining control of people is to keep them undisciplined and in the dark of basic systems and principles while at the same time keeping them disorganized, confused and distracted by issues which are of relatively little import





"In addition to our less direct long-range penetration methods, this can be accomplished by a disengagement of mental activities and providing low quality programs of public education in mathematics, logic, system designs and economics and by discouraging technical creativity.


"Our mode calls for emotional stimulus, increased use of amplifiers which induce self-indulgence, whether direct (television programs) or advertising. We at Tavistock have found that the best way to accomplish the goal is through an unremitting and unrelenting emotional affrontation and attack (mental rape) through a constant barrage of sex, violence, wars, racial strife both in the electronic and print media. This steady diet could be called 'mental junk food'.


"Of primary importance is the revision of history and law and subjecting the populace to the deviant creation, thus shifting thinking from personal needs to constructed, fabricated outside priorities. The general rule is that there is profit in confusion, the greater the confusion, the greater the profit. One of the ways in which this can be accomplished is to create problems and then offer solutions.


"It is essential to divide the people, keep the adults' attention away from real issues and overcome their thinking with matters of relatively little importance. The young must be kept ignorant of mathematics; the proper teaching of economics and history must never be made available. Keep all groups so occupied with an endless round of issues and problems that they have no time to think clearly, and here, we rely on entertainment which should not reach beyond the mental capacity of a child in the sixth grade.


"When government is able to seize private property without just compensation, it is certain that people are ripe for surrender and consenting to slavery and legal encroachment. Energy sources which support a primitive economy are a supply of raw materials, the consent of people to labor, and assume a certain place, position, level in the social structure viz., provide labor at various levels of the structure.


"Each class, therefore, guarantees its level of income and hence controls the class immediately below it, thereby preserving the class structure. One of the best examples of this was found in the caste system in India, in which rigid control was exercised, ensuring that upward mobility which could threaten the elite at the top, was constrained. In this method is security and stability attained, and also a government from the top.


"The sovereignty of the elite is threatened when the lower classes, through communications and education become informed and envious of the power and possessions of the class above them. As some of them become better educated, they seek to rise higher through a real knowledge of economics-energy. This presents a real threat to the sovereignty of the elite class.


"It follows that the rise of the lower classes must be postponed long enough for the elite class to achieve energy (economic) dominance, labor by consent becoming a lesser economic source. Until such economic dominance is achieved to the fullest extent possible, the consent of people to labor and let others handle their affairs has to be taken into account. Failure to achieve this goal would result in interference in the final transfer of energy sources (economic wealth) to the control of the elite.


"Until such times, it is essential to recognize that public consent is still the essential key to the release of energy in the process of economic amplification. A consent of energy release system is therefore vital. Artificial security must be provided in the absence of the mother's womb, which can take the form of withdrawal, protective devices and shelters. Such shells will provide a stable environment for stable and unstable activity, and provide a shelter for the evolutionary processes of growth, that is to say, survival in a shelter that gives defensive protection against offensive activities.


"It applies equally to the elite and the lower classes, but there is a definite difference in the manner in which both these classes approach the solution of the problem. Our social science scientists have made out a very compelling case that the reason why individuals create a political structure is because they have a subconscious desire to perpetuate their childhood-dependency relationship.


"In the simplest of terms, what the subconscious longing demands is an earthly god to eliminate risks from their lives, put food on the table and pat them on the back in a comforting way when things don't go well. The demand for an earthly problem-solver-risk-eliminator is insatiable, which has given rise to a substitute earthly god: the politician. The insatiable public demand for 'protection' is met by promises, but the politician actually delivers little or nothing on his promises.


"Ever present in humans is a desire to control or subdue others who disturb their daily existence. However, they are unable to cope with the moral and religious issues such actions would raise, so they give the task to professional 'hit men', which we collectively call politicians.



"The services of politicians are engaged for a number of reasons, which, in the main are listed in the following order:



1) To obtain the longed-for security without managing it.





2) To obtain action without the need to act, and without having to give the desired action thought.




3) To avoid responsibility for their intentions.




4) To obtain the benefits of reality without exerting the necessary discipline of learning.


"We can readily divide a nation into two sub-categories, the Political Sub Nation and the Docile Sub-Nation. The politicians hold quasi-military jobs, of which the lowest is the police force, next come attorneys. The presidential level is run by the international bankers. The docile sub-nation finances the political machine by consent, that is to say, through taxation. The sub nation remains attached to the political sub-nation, the latter feeding off it and growing stronger, until the day comes when it is strong enough to devour its creator, the people."
When read in conjunction with the systems outlined in my book, the "Committee of 300 (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_sociopol_committee300.htm)", it is relatively easy to see just how far Tavistock's Operation Research project has succeeded, and nowhere more so than in the United States.


Recent statistics show that 75 percent of sixth grade school children were unable to pass what was called "the maths test." The maths test consisted of elementary simple arithmetic, which ought to tell us something. Mathematics did not come into the test at all. Cause for alarm?


You be the judge.

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The above is most probably derived from, but certainly corroborated by: Silent weapons for quiet wars (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_cooper2a.htm), which can also be found as an addendum in William Cooper's "Behold a Pale Horse (http://ephraiyim.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/william_cooper-behold_a_pale_horse1991_copy.pdf),"

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[Mod-edit: Deleted by admin, as it was a response to a deleted post above. -Paul.]

[GoodETxSG]

Deleted by poster to spare the rest of the members this toxic exchange.

[felixq78]

Not strictly true when it comes to how they deal with US citizens. The vast majority of the military WOULD NOT raise their weapons on innocent citizens and would reject any orders instructing them to do so. This occurred many times in Vietnam when they were ordered to shoot innocent people and they turned their weapons against the officers ordering them to do so. Relax but be vigilant.

[wynderer]

Martial Red Zone In America: Heavily Armed Security Teams To Patrol Chicago, Feds Prepare for Mass Detentions, Evacuation Planning Underway
Posted by Alexander Higgins - May 9, 2012 at 11:35 am

If Transportation Security pat downs at public venues, thousands of drones over the skies of America, and the National Security Agency’s new Echelon-like listening center in Utah weren’t enough to convince you that we’re living in a police state, then perhaps the latest news out of Chicago will change your mind.

As world leaders prepare to meet in the windy city for their annual NATO summit, U.S. federal officials are working feverishly to implement a security net so broad that it encompasses the entirety of Cook County, Illinois. While international summits are traditionally met with a larger police presence and preparations for the possibility of protests or rioting, what’s taking place on American soil in anticipation of the May 20 meeting in downtown Chicago can be interpreted in only one way – the implementation of regionalized martial law.

Last week Red Cross officials reported that the City of Chicago, Department of Homeland Security and the Secret Service had instructed them to prepare for a mass evacuation of the city in the event of an emergency during the NATO summit. The Red Cross was to prepare to shelter and feed residents in the event of such an evacuation.

On the heels of that announcement, more details have emerged and they suggest the Federal security apparatus has completely lost its marbles.
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http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2012/05/09/feds-declare-martial-law-red-zone-chicago-loop-nato-meeting-131351/

[wynderer]

Police, Military - Was Your Oath Sincere?

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[wynderer]

Congressional Democrats Introduce Amendment to Outlaw Self Defense

Kurt Nimmo
PrisonPlanet.com
May 9, 2012

The Congressional Progressive Caucus has announced it will introduce legislation designed to strip Americans of the right to defend themselves. Called “Stop Shoot First Laws,” the amendment to the Commerce, Justice, Science Appropriations bill under consideration in the House would deny states federal funding allocated under section 505 of the Omnibus Crime Control and Safe Streets Act of 1968 if they continue to allow citizens to defend themselves.
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http://www.prisonplanet.com/congressional-democrats-introduce-amendment-to-outlaw-self-defense.html

[wynderer]

This Is The Most Horrific Part About Being A US Military Veteran

Robert Johnson
Business Insider
April 16, 2012

A U.S. military veteran kills himself every 80 minutes, with more than 6,500 dying by their own hand every year.

These numbers get pulled out and held to the light every so often, then fall away as the magnitude and scope of the issue leaves the public numb and uninterested.

Nick Kristof took the time to haul the horrific stats onto the pages of The New York Times and points out the number of suicides in a single year far outnumber the combat dead in Iraq and Afghanistan combined.

From the NYT:

These unnoticed killing fields are places like New Middletown, Ohio, where Cheryl DeBow raised two sons, Michael and Ryan Yurchison, and saw them depart for Iraq. Michael, then 22, signed up soon after the 9/11 attacks. “I can’t just sit back and do nothing,” he told his mom. Two years later, Ryan followed his beloved older brother to the Army.

When Michael was discharged, DeBow picked him up at the airport — and was staggered. “When he got off the plane and I picked him up, it was like he was an empty shell,” she told me. “His body was shaking.” Michael began drinking and abusing drugs, his mother says, and he terrified her by buying the same kind of gun he had carried in Iraq. “He said he slept with his gun over there, and he needed it here,” she recalls.

Kristof’s piece is elegant, sad, and should be read by everyone in America who cares at all what their military members endure.
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http://www.prisonplanet.com/this-is-the-most-horrific-part-about-being-a-us-military-veteran.html

[wynderer]

By Alexander Higgins
theintelhub.com
May 10, 2012

An Army Job Ad For Concentration Camps Officers: Military confinement/correctional facility or detention/internment facility, similar to civilian Corrections Officers.

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Look at a current Job Advertisement:- Job Title As an Internment/Resettlement Specialist for the Army National Guard, you will ensure the smooth running of military confinement/correctional facility or detention/internment facility, similar to those duties conducted by civilian Corrections Officers. This will require you to know proper procedures and military law; and have the ability to think quickly in high-stress situations. Specific duties may include assisting with supervision and management operations; providing facility security; providing custody, control, supervision, and escort; and counseling individual prisoners in rehabilitative programs.

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[wynderer]

‘US prisons around world not covered by Geneva Convention”


By Press TV US Desk


Gordon Duff, senior editor of Veterans Today, says that the prisoners at U.S. prisons around the world have “no rights at all”.

Duff made the remarks in an interview with Press TV’s U.S. Desk on Thursday when asked about the shocking U.S. Army document that outlines the implementation of reeducation camps and the fact that the manual was not intended for public release.


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He said as an example that an American prison in Poland “has never been visited by the Red Cross, it could have hundred thousand people in it, it could have a million people in it, no one can get in.”

He said that “the U.S. has assumed that it can travel to any country in the world and take any person off the street it wishes and prison them for as long as they want,” calling this “a clear violation of UN conventions, a clear violation of the Geneva Convention.”

Downloadable copy of manual here.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/05/11/duff-on-press-tv-us-rendition-manual/

[wynderer]

clip from this article:

A later response by Panetta to a question by Sen. McCain literally empowers Barack Obama to become a dictator, within a military dictatorship framework, as it heralds a philosophy of extralegal measures taken by the president "when needed" by the military:

Living in the Shadows: A World of Black Ops and Cyber Wars
The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths, and to secret proceedings. -- John F. Kennedy

John Galt
Activist Post

A shadow has descended on freedom worldwide: Congress is in the dark; sovereign foreign nations are in the dark; and the average American can't imagine that a world of espionage, black ops, psy ops, and the apparatus of a surveillance-industrial complex run by globalists has them in the crosshairs.

When exiting CIA director, Leon Panetta, openly admitted that shadow wars and black ops should be a strategy employed through direct military control by the CIA, it marked a new Dark Age.

'(It's) appropriate for the head of such department or agency [read: CIA] to direct the operations of the element providing that military support while working with the Secretary of Defense.' A 'significant advantage of doing so,' he continued, 'is that it permits the robust operational capability of the U.S. Armed Forces to be applied when needed.'
That’s contentious: it would put the military in the territory of performing operations that the government can legally deny all knowledge of ordering... (Source)

A later response by Panetta to a question by Sen. McCain literally empowers Barack Obama to become a dictator, within a military dictatorship framework, as it heralds a philosophy of extralegal measures taken by the president "when needed" by the military:

'Senator, I believe very strongly that the president has the constitutional power as commander in chief to take steps that he believes are necessary to protect this country and protect our national interests,' said Panetta. 'And obviously, I think it's important for presidents to consult, to have the advice of Congress. But in the end, I believe he has the constitutional power to do what he has to do to protect this country.' (Source)
This statement is telling, as it refers to Congress as a place where a president should seek advice, not approval. This assertion is the precise difference between a constitutional republic and an authoritarian dictatorship.

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http://www.activistpost.com/2011/06/living-in-shadows-world-of-black-ops.html

[GoodETxSG]

Not strictly true when it comes to how they deal with US citizens. The vast majority of the military WOULD NOT raise their weapons on innocent citizens and would reject any orders instructing them to do so. This occurred many times in Vietnam when they were ordered to shoot innocent people and they turned their weapons against the officers ordering them to do so. Relax but be vigilant.

Careful, you are endangering your free speech on this thread. I would just move along to another thread if I were you. I agree totally... Our guys will not do it... just the Federal Storm troopers and Merc's in Army ACU's pulling dirty tricks... and not even fellow cops, soldiers will be able to tell the difference. It is a mute point, as people just get pleasure of playing ping pong with ideology. Good luck Felix. Stay away from the Activist Posts, Prison Planet, ATS and a few other disinfo sites... just my opinion as a former Intel and counter intel soldier. These sites are mind bending... NEW studies show that what you READ shapes your neurons and changes your behavior and outlook to that of what you read. It is actually a proven fact that I am sure cabalists have known for years. The written word is more powerful than anyone has given credit for.

[GoodETxSG]

‘US prisons around world not covered by Geneva Convention”


By Press TV US Desk


Gordon Duff, senior editor of Veterans Today, says that the prisoners at U.S. prisons around the world have “no rights at all”.

Duff made the remarks in an interview with Press TV’s U.S. Desk on Thursday when asked about the shocking U.S. Army document that outlines the implementation of reeducation camps and the fact that the manual was not intended for public release.


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He said as an example that an American prison in Poland “has never been visited by the Red Cross, it could have hundred thousand people in it, it could have a million people in it, no one can get in.”

He said that “the U.S. has assumed that it can travel to any country in the world and take any person off the street it wishes and prison them for as long as they want,” calling this “a clear violation of UN conventions, a clear violation of the Geneva Convention.”

Downloadable copy of manual here.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/05/11/duff-on-press-tv-us-rendition-manual/

The Deep Black Prison in Poland will never be visited. This is the place where they keep the fanged blood sucking psycho's that are so dangerous that they handled in a way that would freak you out. They have STRICT "NO TALK, NO LISTEN" policies with these evil/worst of the worst people. They are some of the psycho's that were yanked from our own Intel groups as well as foreign groups and individuals. The red cross should stay far away. This dark prison is being moved soon anyway. You really do not want to meet any of these prisoners... they are not us citizens taken in w/out reason to mind control or experiment on... it is a cage, within a cage surrounded by razor wire and re enforced concrete. The most evil of the evil are locked up there. These people can get into your mind and control you better than the TV Show "The Mentalist"... Some of these people have been there many years with NO human interaction and are sedated for their medical checkups etc... Freaky bad evil people there... and in a cpl other places, including some of our Plane Prisons that are in the air flying in international air space during interrogations and just as holding/prisons/transport of prisoners.
This I know.
These people are highly trained to do major problems for our enemies... this is what the do with them when they go rogue or loose their operational uses... You cannot just drop them off in their old home town w/a new ID and a pocket full of cash...
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[GoodETxSG]

Martial Red Zone In America: Heavily Armed Security Teams To Patrol Chicago, Feds Prepare for Mass Detentions, Evacuation Planning Underway
Posted by Alexander Higgins - May 9, 2012 at 11:35 am

If Transportation Security pat downs at public venues, thousands of drones over the skies of America, and the National Security Agency’s new Echelon-like listening center in Utah weren’t enough to convince you that we’re living in a police state, then perhaps the latest news out of Chicago will change your mind.

As world leaders prepare to meet in the windy city for their annual NATO summit, U.S. federal officials are working feverishly to implement a security net so broad that it encompasses the entirety of Cook County, Illinois. While international summits are traditionally met with a larger police presence and preparations for the possibility of protests or rioting, what’s taking place on American soil in anticipation of the May 20 meeting in downtown Chicago can be interpreted in only one way – the implementation of regionalized martial law.

Last week Red Cross officials reported that the City of Chicago, Department of Homeland Security and the Secret Service had instructed them to prepare for a mass evacuation of the city in the event of an emergency during the NATO summit. The Red Cross was to prepare to shelter and feed residents in the event of such an evacuation.

On the heels of that announcement, more details have emerged and they suggest the Federal security apparatus has completely lost its marbles.
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http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2012/05/09/feds-declare-martial-law-red-zone-chicago-loop-nato-meeting-131351/

I was involved in several operations very similar to these in Texas Towns... google them, between 2007 and 2011. The info provided to us showed us there were good reasons for these measures and training for many scenarios, scary ones and for the protection of the greater populace believe it or NOT... I know the answer NOT. But the soldiers doing these exercises believe they are doing this training per DHS/FEMA plans for GOOD reasons... not for goose stepping boot on the necks of citizens reasons. Need To Know/NTK is not always what you are told admittedly but the troops are doing a job, prep training on good faith... These Disinfo Sites who Rarely reveal their sources would like people to believe that U.S. troops are game to follow any orders no matter how sinister they are... in fact the more sinister the scenario the quicker they type out a disinfo story. User your own mind, do not let yourself be programmed by readying disinfo.

[wynderer]

from Eve Lorgen's website, much of whose research is used by Houman in the Horus-Ra Archon thread, just today praised by your leader Bill Ryan -- a woman milab answering:

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EL: What constitutes a spiritual warrior?

LT: A spiritual warrior is one who RESISTS any and all attempts at the corruption of their mind/soul matrix. A spiritual warrior does not follow the flow of the turbid stream of mediocrity, homogenization and annihilation. A spiritual warrior defends to the bitter end– individuality, humanity, innocence, truth, beauty and decency. This world is in dire need of more people who are willing to go to their grave for these principles. Sadly, way too many abductees and milabs are deluded, cowardly and or narcissistic.

But yes, there are true spiritual warriors out there, more every year actually. We achieve a great deal when we’re in our astral states–that’s why the perpetrators mess with us so much – as a distraction–among other things. Know this and rejoice in it–our enemies greatly fear us.

http://evelorgen.com/wp/articles/military-abduction-milabs-and-reptilians/milabs-a-pandoras-box/#more-527

[GoodETxSG]

Spiritual and Ethical part of the War is the MOST important part of the WAR. You Heart, Mind and Soul have to be fighting from this stand point. You are either service to others or service to self... or service to overlords.

[wynderer]

'This is an updated testimony of Matt R., a milab who has had reptilian encounters within a military training framework. He believes that NATO may have used reptilians in urban warfare training, and can use these forces in situations of massive civil unrest. A frightening prospect.'
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http://naturalplane.blogspot.com/2012/03/reptilians-natos-secret-force.html

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I spoke to Joe Montaldo last week. He has gathered additional accounts of police, and military, who witnessed joint reptilian and human training exercises at the UNO basketball arena. http://gnostem.org/images/inside_arena[1].jpg

According to the accounts of 2 new national guard witnesses, the arena was being used by day by human homeland security for training. And, at night, it was being used by a group that was mostly reptilian, with some humans. That is, in 2005 prior to Katrina, there were occasional marathon sessions of usage. I do not recall being involved with the UNO arena training. But, some of those taken to that arena do say they were using sets that also replicated a mall. Its possible they flew in those same lamposts, trashcans, benches , etc that had already been used as target practice at Mall St Vincent. They were likely already partially damaged anyway. Another point that Mr Montaldo noted was that many of the Mall training witnesses are adamant that this was not a hologram simulation, or humans in monster suits. I too recall this experience as being extremely vivid (as detailed on your site in 2010) http://naturalplane.blogspot.com/2010/04/update-former-police-officer-recalls.html In fact, some even recalled specifically seeing me, because I was assigned to stand with the reptilians. (Due to my “advisor” designation) That is detailed here:
http://naturalplane.blogspot.com/2012/02/update-abductee-exposes-reptilian.html
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http://naturalplane.blogspot.com/2012/03/reptilians-natos-secret-force.html

[GoodETxSG]

Although I agree the Lizzies are involved with a faction of our global cabal military forces... it would be nice to have at least one thread that does't have 50 posts about lizard people... just my opinion. I know its not my Thread but we are having some great earthly discussions about the Military and its roll or not having a roll, or having a partial roll in all of the crazy stuff going on the U.S. Neighborhoods... with out having to have the lizard debate on every single thread... there are several that are directly dedicated to that topic and we have been staying off of those threads and arguing for a while now after an undeclared truce that the Mods had to get involved in... IMHO...

[GoodETxSG]

Well, this should not be off topic either... those good soldiers returning to the US, the ones that will stand with us against the cabal are suffering discrimination trying to get jobs... lets hope that if they cannot get jobs in the normal job sector they are not pushed into some of these Private Army Merc Jobs... Case in point;


Hey friends,
On a similar note of US troops and most important the ones returning from the wars... PTSD, Traumatic Brain Injuries and Seizures related to the head injuries are causing MANY thousands of soldiers to be discriminated against, Not Hired, or Illegally Fired.

It actually happened to me, I ended up having a seizure on the way home from work because my job made me come in after having a cluster of TBI related seizures... then I had a few seizures at work due to the stress of the HR dept causing issues... they then fired me... very illegally. This happened in April and I have found a better job and am finally NOT working for ANY types of Banks now... But I have opened a MAJOR EEOC law suit that may be one of the biggest land mark case that will help hundreds of thousands of returning vets....

In Dallas we are doing a protest at that company, but going to the Facebook page for this protest and clicking "Like" and posting a comment will be a great show of support to the troops, Oath Keepers and wounded warrior groups that are watching this closely... MODS spank me if I am not supposed to do this but it is important... the site is http://www.facebook.com/jobdiscrimination

[wynderer]

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[toad]

Ive never seen mobile jailcells before, but in the past week and half I've seen numerous of them on three ocassions was rather odd and unsettling.

[wynderer]

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[wynderer]

Wall Street Banks Secretly Build The World’s Largest Private Army
Posted by Alexander Higgins - May 16, 2012 at 6:39 pm

Wall Street banks have secretly taken over US firearms and ammunition manufacturers and the world’s largest mercenary firms in a stealth build up private military force.

A Daily KOs article reveals that Wall Street banks have used private equity firms to acquire and launch a massive stealth takeover of private security firms, US ammo and gun manufacturers, uniforms, silencers and an army of mercenaries to build what amounts to the world’s largest private army.

At the same time the private mercenary companies they now control, which include the likes of Dynacorp and the notorious name changing Blackwater/Xe Services/Academi, have been authorized under Department of Defense DIRECTIVE NUMBER 3025.18 to actually conduct policing operations inside the United States.

The article reveals Citi Bank, Bank of America, Barclays, and Deutsche Bank have provide huge amounts of funding to two private Wall Street equity firms, Cerebus and Veritas Equity, which in turn have used umbrella companies such as Freedom Corp., to engage in stealth takeovers and weapons stockpiling which has consumed the likes of several gun manufacturers and ammunition manufacturers including Remington, Cobbs, H&R, Marlin, Dakota, and Bushmaker.

Furthermore, the same private equity firms have taken over companies involved in the “crowd control industry”.

One such example is CPI which manufacturers microwave and radio frequency crowd control pain inducers similar to the US Military’s heat gun which has been mentioned for deployment to control Occupy protestors.

All of this comes following news that the Department of Homeland Security has purchased 450 million rounds of ammunition banned by the Geneva Convention which is coupled with reports that feds are buying up all surplus ammo and even ordering stores to cease sales to civilians.

At the same time a DHS informant says that the DHS is preparing for a civil war and recently leaked army manuals reveal mass military detention centers are being prepared inside the US for a War On Terror ‘strategy shift'
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http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2012/05/16/guess-buying-americas-firearms-bullet-manufacturers-133981/

[GoodETxSG]

Our Troops... standing up to NATO. Brings tears to a patriots eyes. Which there are Millions ON and OFF Active Duty here is the U.S.

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[whenyournex2me]

Unfortunately soldiers are not trained to think for themselves. They are trained to obey orders nothing else.

Stan

I was in the armed forces, and I would have to agree for the most part. Although, I cannot say this is 100% true, cause basically, I quite my role in the forces shortly after 9/11. There are exceptions out there thankfully, I just wish there were more of them. :) Might I add that I have been told time and time again, history repeats itself. What ever happens, I will not be intimidated. I am not afraid.

[aranuk]

Unfortunately soldiers are not trained to think for themselves. They are trained to obey orders nothing else.

Stan

I was in the armed forces, and I would have to agree for the most part. Although, I cannot say this is 100% true, cause basically, I quite my role in the forces shortly after 9/11. There are exceptions out there thankfully, I just wish there were more of them. :) Might I add that I have been told time and time again, history repeats itself. What ever happens, I will not be intimidated. I am not afraid.

I was just making a general point. Of course soldiers can think for themselves at all times. However the point I was intending was if it weren't that way nothing would ever get done militarywise. If instead of obeying an order the soldier could then decide what would be best done it wouldn't be an army he was in it would be a free for all and zilch would happen.

Stan

[GoodETxSG]

This is the real threat IMHO...

http://www.pauldrockton.com/Mercenaries.html

The Rise of Illuminati Mercenary Armies


In his "Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire", Edward Gibbons explains:


"the Roman Empire succumbed to barbarian invasions in large part due to the gradual loss of civic virtue among its citizens.[3] They had become weak, outsourcing their duties to defend their Empire to barbarian mercenaries, who then became so numerous and ingrained that they were able to take over the Empire. Romans, he believed, had become effeminate, unwilling to live a tougher, "manly" military lifestyle. He further blames the degeneracy of the Roman army and the Praetorian guards...


Gibbon sees the primary catalyst of the empire's initial decay and eventual collapse in the Praetorian Guard, instituted as a special class of soldiers permanently encamped in a commanding position within Rome, a seed planted by Augustus at the establishment of the empire. As Gibbon calls them at the outset of Chapter V: The Praetorian bands, whose licentious fury was the first symptom and cause of the decline of the Roman empire... He cites repeated examples of this special force abusing its power with calamitous results, including numerous instances of imperial assassination and demands of ever-increasing pay." (Source)




The United States went to an all-volunteer force in 1972. The result has been a reduced number of volunteers and the rise of various mercenary armies to fill the gap.


"Private contractors are all around us, P. W. Singer author of Corporate Warriors: The Rise of the Privatized Military Industry says "In geographic terms, it operates in over 50 different countries. It’s operated in every single continent but Antarctica." In the 1990s there used to be 50 military personnel for every 1 contractor, now the ratio is 10 to 1 (Singer). Singer points out that these contractors have a number of duties depending on who they are hired by. In developing countries that have natural resources, such as oil refineries in Iraq, they are hired to guard the area. (Source)


What is more disturbing is the number of mercenaries contracted by the CIA:


"According to a 2008 study by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, private contractors make up 29% of the workforce in the United States Intelligence Community and cost the equivalent of 49% of their personnel budgets." (Ibid)




The concept of using mercenaries to carry out covert operations provides politicians with another level of plausible deniability. Since mercenaries work for private corporations, their activities lack the Congressional oversight afforded to the regular military personnel. They also serve the highest bidder.


In our modern world that would be the shadow government and its New World Order.


With the decline of National economies and their currencies, mercenaries have the option of serving interests that work against our National interest. When the American citizen realizes that most of the citizen surveillance systems were designed and are operated by mercenaries, this takes on a whole new meaning.


Private contractors, with full access to unlimited surveillance and minimal accountability on how that surveillance is used, could end up in the employ of Communist China, Russia, the Rothschilds or the Rockefellers. The Illuminati operate one of the world's largest mercenary armies. They contract to the highest bidder and have no national loyalty or sense of Patriotism.


They can also be used as agent provocateurs to start conflicts or stage False Flag Terrorist events. During the Revolutionary war, the German mercenaries contracted by the British were known for their brutality and the focus of hatred by the Colonists. In fact, they are even mentioned in the 'Declaration of Independence':


"He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation." (Source)

In this series of articles I will focus on the mercenary armies and the companies they work for. More in the next article.

[GoodETxSG]

http://www.pauldrockton.com/Mercenaries2.html


Illuminati Mercenaries and the Shadow Govt.


The United States Constitution specifies that it is the Federal Government's responsibility to provide for the "Common Defense" of its citizens. They cannot relegate this responsibility to private, for profit, corporations. Yet, that is exactly what Congress and the POTUS have done. Mercenaries have been looked down upon throughout recorded history.


“The mercenaries and auxiliaries are useless and dangerous, and if anyone supports his state by the arms of mercenaries, he will never stand firm or sure, as they are disunited, ambitious, without discipline, faithless, bold amongst friends, cowardly amongst enemies, they have no fear of God, and keep no faith with men,” wrote Machiavelli in The Prince. (Source)




One of the myths perpetrated upon the public is that mercenaries are more cost-effective than regular soldiers.


"Perhaps most telling, cost-effectiveness is not one of the three reasons for outsourcing listed in a 2003 GAO report on military contracting. (The reasons: to gain specialized technical skills, bypass limits on military personnel that can be deployed to certain regions, and ensure that scarce resources are available for other assignments.) (Source)




Note the part about bypassing limits on military personel. Mercenaries are just another way to bypass the United States Constitution, which states that only Congress can declare war, not a private corporation. The CIA, which is the the real power behind the throne, spends half of its budget on private military contractors. This allows covert operations to have another layer or plausible deniability.


The United States has used anywhere from 20,000 to 100,000 private military contractors in Iraq, the results have been disastrous:


"PMC "civilian contractors" have poor repute among professional government soldiers and officers – the US Military Command have questioned their war zone behavior. In September 2005, Brigadier General Karl Horst, deputy commander of the Third Infantry Division charged with Baghdad security after the 2003 invasion, said of DynCorp and other PMCs in Iraq: These guys run loose in this country and do stupid stuff. There's no authority over them, so you can't come down on them hard when they escalate force... They shoot people, and someone else has to deal with the aftermath. It happens all over the place." (Source)




The reality is that Private Military Companies compete against the regular military for resources without having the same level of accountability and/or loyalty to the United States of America. They are an Illuminati enterprise, designed for Illuminati profit. As one defector explained:


"Mercenaries/military trainers: guess who gets paid money to come in and train paramilitary groups? Who has training camps all over the states of Montana, Nevada, and North Dakota? Who occasionally will offer their expertise in return for a large financial reward? They never advertise themselves as Illuminati, unless the group is known to be sympathetic to their cause. Instead, these are tough, cold, brutal military trainers, who offer to teach these groups in return for money, or even better, a promise to affiliate with their group in return (loyalty in return for knowledge). More and more paramilitary groups have been brought into the Illuminati this way, without their full knowledge of who and what the group really is. This gives the Illuminists a way to monitor these groups (their trainers report on them, and their activities), and it can be useful to have trained military groups that they can call on someday." (Source)




The Illuminati, BTW, have no sense of National Loyalty. Their loyalty is to their Luciferian Ideal. They have no problem liquidating those that get in their way:


"Hiring and selling assassinations: this is done worldwide, more in Europe than in the States. These people are paid big money to do either a private or political assassination. The money is paid either to the assassin, or to the trainer; usually they both divide the fee The assassin is offered protection in another country for awhile, until the trail runs cold. If the kill is done in Europe they may be sent to the far east or the U.S., and vice versa if the kill is done in the U.S. The Illuminati have a wide arena of places and false identities to hide these people, unless for some reason they want the assassin disposed of as well. Then, he/she is caught and immediately executed." (Ibid)




Primarily, they are in the business of selling vices like narcotics, pornography and prostitution. The CIA was implicated in the Illuminati businesses through Iran-Contra. Some people wonder if these mercenaries will target American citizens for the right price. Now, hopefully, they can stop wondering.

[Kendall]

Pentagon source says July 1st martial law to be implemented. http://www.pakalertpress.com/2012/05/24/pentagon-source-alludes-to-martial-law-around-july-1st-2012/