DHS Informant: ‘We Are Preparing For Massive Civil War’

[GlassSteagallfan]

‘We Are Preparing For Massive Civil War’ Says DHS Informant


Dominique de Kevelioc de Bailleul
Before It’s News
May 4, 2012

In a riveting interview on TruNews Radio (http://www.trunews.com/listen_now.htm), Wednesday, private investigator Doug Hagmann said high-level, reliable sources told him the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) is preparing for “massive civil war” in America.

“We have problems . . . The federal government is preparing for civil uprising,” he added, “so every time you hear about troop movements, every time you hear about movements of military equipment, the militarization of the police, the buying of the ammunition, all of this is . . . they (DHS) are preparing for a massive uprising.”

Hagmann goes on to say that his sources tell him the concerns of the DHS stem from a collapse of the U.S. dollar and the hyperinflation a collapse in the value of the world’s primary reserve currency implies to a nation of 311 million Americans, who, for the significant portion of the population, is armed.

Uprisings in Greece is, indeed, a problem, but an uprising of armed Americans becomes a matter of serious national security, a point addressed in a recent report by the Pentagon and highlighted as a vulnerability and threat to the U.S. during war-game exercises at the Department of Defense last year, according to one of the DoD’s war-game participants, Jim Rickards, author of Currency Wars: The Making of the Next Global Crisis.

Through his sources, Hagmann confirmed Rickards’ ongoing thesis of a fear of a U.S. dollar collapse at the hands of the Chinese (U.S. treasury bond holders of approximately $1 trillion) and, possibly, the Russians (threatening to launch a gold-backed ruble as an attractive alternative to the U.S. dollar) in retaliation for aggressive U.S. foreign policy initiatives against China’s and Russia’s strategic allies Iran and Syria.

“The one source that we have I’ve known since 1979,” Hagmann continued. “He started out as a patrol officer and currently he is now working for a federal agency under the umbrella of the Department of Homeland Security; he’s in a position to know what policies are being initiated, what policies are being planned at this point, and he’s telling us right now—look, what you’re seeing is just the tip of the iceberg. We are preparing, we, meaning the government, we are preparing for a massive civil war in this country.”

“There’s no hyperbole here,” he added, echoing Trends Research Institute’s Founder Gerald Celente’s forecast of last year. Celente expects a collapse of the U.S. dollar and riots in America some time this year.
A d v e r t i s e m e n t
Since Celente’s ‘Civil War’ prediction of last year, executive orders NDAA and National Defense Resources Preparedness were signed into law by President Obama, which are both politically damaging actions taken by a sitting president.

And most recently, requests made by the DHS for the procurement of 450 million rounds of hollow-point ammunition only fuels speculation of an upcoming tragic event expected on American soil.

These major events, as shocking to the American people as they are, have taken place during an election year.

Escalating preparatory activities by the executive branch and DHS throughout the last decade—from the Patriot Act, to countless executive orders drafted to suspend (or strip) American civil liberties “are just the beginning” of the nightmare to come, Hagmann said.

He added, “It’s going to get so much worse toward the election, and I’m not even sure we’re going to have an election in this country. It’s going to be that bad, and this, as well, is coming from my sources. But one source in particular said, ‘look, you don’t understand how bad it is.’ This stuff is real; these people, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), they are ready to fight the American people.”

TruNews‘ Wiles asked Hagmann: who does the DHS expect to fight, in particular? Another North versus South, the Yankees against the Confederates? Hagmann stated the situation is far worse than a struggle between any two factions within the U.S.; it’s an anticipated nationwide emergency event centered on the nation’s currency.

“What they [DHS] are expecting, and again, this is according to my sources, what they’re expecting is the un-sustainability of the American dollar,” Hagmann said. “And we know for a fact that we can no longer service our debt. There’s going to be a period of hyperinflation . . . the dollar will be worthless . . . The economic collapse will be so severe, people won’t be ready for this.”

Source: Full TruNews interview, May 2, 2012.


=========== UPDATE ==========

Charlie McGrath mentions Doug Hagmann in his latest rant:

Collpase Crisis Leading to Civil War


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8a5bR5XqDfM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8a5bR5XqDfM




===========UPDATE May 10, 2012 =========

Listen to Doug Hagmann's audio interview on infowars.com

[wynderer]

GlassSteagallfan -- i posted this article on the Armed Forces in US towns thread , & a link to this thread

wyn


‘We Are Preparing For Massive Civil War’ Says DHS Informant


Dominique de Kevelioc de Bailleul
Before It’s News
May 4, 2012

In a riveting interview on TruNews Radio (http://www.trunews.com/listen_now.htm), Wednesday, private investigator Doug Hagmann said high-level, reliable sources told him the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) is preparing for “massive civil war” in America.

“We have problems . . . The federal government is preparing for civil uprising,” he added, “so every time you hear about troop movements, every time you hear about movements of military equipment, the militarization of the police, the buying of the ammunition, all of this is . . . they (DHS) are preparing for a massive uprising.”

Hagmann goes on to say that his sources tell him the concerns of the DHS stem from a collapse of the U.S. dollar and the hyperinflation a collapse in the value of the world’s primary reserve currency implies to a nation of 311 million Americans, who, for the significant portion of the population, is armed.

Uprisings in Greece is, indeed, a problem, but an uprising of armed Americans becomes a matter of serious national security, a point addressed in a recent report by the Pentagon and highlighted as a vulnerability and threat to the U.S. during war-game exercises at the Department of Defense last year, according to one of the DoD’s war-game participants, Jim Rickards, author of Currency Wars: The Making of the Next Global Crisis.

Through his sources, Hagmann confirmed Rickards’ ongoing thesis of a fear of a U.S. dollar collapse at the hands of the Chinese (U.S. treasury bond holders of approximately $1 trillion) and, possibly, the Russians (threatening to launch a gold-backed ruble as an attractive alternative to the U.S. dollar) in retaliation for aggressive U.S. foreign policy initiatives against China’s and Russia’s strategic allies Iran and Syria.

“The one source that we have I’ve known since 1979,” Hagmann continued. “He started out as a patrol officer and currently he is now working for a federal agency under the umbrella of the Department of Homeland Security; he’s in a position to know what policies are being initiated, what policies are being planned at this point, and he’s telling us right now—look, what you’re seeing is just the tip of the iceberg. We are preparing, we, meaning the government, we are preparing for a massive civil war in this country.”

“There’s no hyperbole here,” he added, echoing Trends Research Institute’s Founder Gerald Celente’s forecast of last year. Celente expects a collapse of the U.S. dollar and riots in America some time this year.
A d v e r t i s e m e n t
Since Celente’s ‘Civil War’ prediction of last year, executive orders NDAA and National Defense Resources Preparedness were signed into law by President Obama, which are both politically damaging actions taken by a sitting president.

And most recently, requests made by the DHS for the procurement of 450 million rounds of hollow-point ammunition only fuels speculation of an upcoming tragic event expected on American soil.

These major events, as shocking to the American people as they are, have taken place during an election year.

Escalating preparatory activities by the executive branch and DHS throughout the last decade—from the Patriot Act, to countless executive orders drafted to suspend (or strip) American civil liberties “are just the beginning” of the nightmare to come, Hagmann said.

He added, “It’s going to get so much worse toward the election, and I’m not even sure we’re going to have an election in this country. It’s going to be that bad, and this, as well, is coming from my sources. But one source in particular said, ‘look, you don’t understand how bad it is.’ This stuff is real; these people, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), they are ready to fight the American people.”

TruNews‘ Wiles asked Hagmann: who does the DHS expect to fight, in particular? Another North versus South, the Yankees against the Confederates? Hagmann stated the situation is far worse than a struggle between any two factions within the U.S.; it’s an anticipated nationwide emergency event centered on the nation’s currency.

“What they [DHS] are expecting, and again, this is according to my sources, what they’re expecting is the un-sustainability of the American dollar,” Hagmann said. “And we know for a fact that we can no longer service our debt. There’s going to be a period of hyperinflation . . . the dollar will be worthless . . . The economic collapse will be so severe, people won’t be ready for this.”

Source: Full TruNews interview, May 2, 2012.

[Unified Serenity]

Gun sales are going through the roof here. One guy looked at buying a rifle semi auto type and there were three. In the 10 minutes he thought about it, they were all sold. Right now, those who don't plan to be fodder or victims are getting armed and hitting the shooting range.

[wynderer]

my question is: what are they expecting to be the cause, the lit fuse of the civil war --

& who will the opposing sides be?

[Unified Serenity]

They (the government) are always pointing the finger at "right wing" extremists. This past week we have OWS attempting to blow up a bridge. We have someone setting off flash mobs and rampant anger in the black community targeted at whites. So, if there is a protest or some big event and someone does something stupid then a powder keg could go off. We have had massive riots in the past in LA and other large cities. I just don't think people are going to lay down and let a mob kill them. People are seeing too much of it. Home invasions are going up and people are shooting the criminals. I don't want to see violence, but I can see the signs of it.

Here is another tidbit. Back in the 90's I heard from a friend of mine who did in home pest control and she would get a good look in closets etc as she did her job. She noted back then that there was a huge upswing in the black community to owning sks and mac90 type rifles and cases of ammo. With the Black panther rhetoric, I can easily see some in that community attempting something, but it would not be wise as they only make up less than 20% of the population and many of them are in prison etc.. Of course the elites hate the blacks and would love to see them start something to justify fighting back. It's really an ugly situation, and I think realizing we are not each others enemies is the best means to stop this insanity. With all my good wishes though, I am not a fool and would not be caught in the wrong place.

[Space_Ace]

There is evidence of divine intervention preventing any additional wars, including civil wars and ww3. All this war talk is fearmongering. We still have not seen an Iran war despite talks about it for years.

[Rogerc]

There is evidence of divine intervention preventing any additional wars, including civil wars and ww3. All this war talk is fearmongering. We still have not seen an Iran war despite talks about it for years.

Watch this space......

[wynderer]

i guess they are falling down on the job, then, because , last i checked, there were plenty of wars on planet Earth at this time

i see you are from my country -- that criticism often levelled at us, that most of us have no clue what is going on in the rest of the world -- it's true, i think


There is evidence of divine intervention preventing any additional wars, including civil wars and ww3. All this war talk is fearmongering. We still have not seen an Iran war despite talks about it for years.

[Unified Serenity]

Space Ace, if a war starts somewhere, will you start to consider that your not hearing from the right people? I mean, would you call an Iraqi a fear mongerer before the start of the war who said, "The American's are going to attack"? You call people who see what is plainly happening fear mongers. It might just be some of us who end up helping people like you who want to believe in aliens saving the world.

I am not going to return insult for insult with you because frankly I am beginning to see that you all can't help yourselves. You are the one's who are really the scared ones so you have to pretend nothing bad can happen. While those of us assessing the situation in it's cold stark reality are not afraid, but aware and prepared.

[Space_Ace]

Actually, its no NEW wars that are allowed to start. Current wars will be allowed till mass arrests of the war criminals. Yes, it's possible that a NEW war can start, but many of us are putting our energy into world peace, are you?

[Maia Gabrial]

They (the government) are always pointing the finger at "right wing" extremists. This past week we have OWS attempting to blow up a bridge. We have someone setting off flash mobs and rampant anger in the black community targeted at whites. So, if there is a protest or some big event and someone does something stupid then a powder keg could go off. We have had massive riots in the past in LA and other large cities. I just don't think people are going to lay down and let a mob kill them. People are seeing too much of it. Home invasions are going up and people are shooting the criminals. I don't want to see violence, but I can see the signs of it.


Good point, Unified Serenity. The outrage is justified, but it's still manipulated.

The ones behind the reasons for why people are outraged are sitting back, grinning like big a**holes behind the scenes. They think they won't get busted this time. Let the fools think this because it's not happening this time...!
When will people learn to stop fighting among themselves? Do they have a brain and have they learned to use it? This is all a DIVERSION! I'd say to everyone who's completely duped and ready to shoot: keep calm and stop playing the manipulated fool! The enemy is not in your neighborhoods. It's not a black or a white; male or female; or some rival gang.... I repeat that this is a DIVERSION. We have the guilty ones scared sh*tless. Let's not blow it all now...!

Keep visualizing and EXPECTING those mass arrests of every creep involved.... Don't forget that WE are the power!

[wynderer]

this just occurred to me -- while the plans for REAL mass arrests are well underway -- the armed troops in USA neighborhoods, not rounding up CEOs & bankers -- & the info re the FEMA camps

while this is going on, a large sector of the 'alternative news' sector of the population is being diverted by a dog & pony show re mass arrests of bad guys by good guys [ info from a 'Dragon' as one of the chief sources ]



They (the government) are always pointing the finger at "right wing" extremists. This past week we have OWS attempting to blow up a bridge. We have someone setting off flash mobs and rampant anger in the black community targeted at whites. So, if there is a protest or some big event and someone does something stupid then a powder keg could go off. We have had massive riots in the past in LA and other large cities. I just don't think people are going to lay down and let a mob kill them. People are seeing too much of it. Home invasions are going up and people are shooting the criminals. I don't want to see violence, but I can see the signs of it.


Good point, Unified Serenity. The outrage is justified, but it's still manipulated.

The ones behind the reasons for why people are outraged are sitting back, grinning like big a**holes behind the scenes. They think they won't get busted this time. Let the fools think this because it's not happening this time...!
When will people learn to stop fighting among themselves? Do they have a brain and have they learned to use it? This is all a DIVERSION! I'd say to everyone who's completely duped and ready to shoot: keep calm and stop playing the manipulated fool! The enemy is not in your neighborhoods. It's not a black or a white; male or female; or some rival gang.... I repeat that this is a DIVERSION. We have the guilty ones scared sh*tless. Let's not blow it all now...!

Keep visualizing and EXPECTING those mass arrests of every creep involved.... Don't forget that WE are the power!

[YvonneG]

Here is a response from someone who is close to Drake. It's not me and it's not Deatra...just in case people want to start guessing. It's not anyone any of you know. She works behind the scenes and I now am friends with her. This is a very good response for those who are tired of being scared or who would to just know what a person like that has to say.

Can you say Problem-Reaction-Solution?

Not sure if I’m even close on this one but the whole article smells fishy to me. Hagemann says “every” time “you” hear of troop movement it’s the government preparing for war. Does that sentence sound suggestive? There are foreign troops here now, training, which is a common thing. Then he talks about the collapse of the dollar abroad, well that isn’t quite a reason for civil war here, is it? Then “disarming” Americans…all those key words that would pretty much scare the pants off people who aren’t reading this article two and three times.

Drake did say that it would become a bit difficult to know the good guy vs. the bad guy as things started to heat up. I see what he’s saying now!

Is this guy full of it – my vote is yes. I am reading these articles two, three, even four times now and really letting them sink in.

We need to do a show just on language – verbiage – and how it’s used as a psychological tool by the media. If I’m right and this is classic disinfo, this is a very good example of it.




She asked me if I spotted the language, and not consciously, but when I see some thing that is drenched in fear, i know something is up. Either misinfo or the person writing in this way is trapped in the "fear virus" running around these days.

Yvonne:attention::attention:

[Kimberley]

I prefer this :-)

credit for finding this goes to Avocadess

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/05/03/obama-rejoins-icc-us-no-longer-rogue-state/


Posted May 3, 2012
Obama Rejoins ICC, US No Longer “Rogue” State
American War Criminals Now Subject To Laws US Enforces on Others

… by Gordon Duff, Senior Editor

In a surprise move, President Obama signed an executive order rejoining the International Criminal Court, an organization established originally by the United State to enforce international law and punish war criminals.

The US left the court under Bush in order to protect those responsible for kidnapping, drug running and torture.

They may now be arrested, even if American office holders or members of the military or CIA, which, oddly enough, many of those responsible for such heinous crimes are.

Almost all facing prosecution are, curiously enough, members of the Republican Party and are trying to spin a return to freedom and justice as America giving up rights. The only right sacrificed are the rights some of the 1% and key officials had to murder, rape, steal and run drugs.

They may now be arrested under the same laws that applied to Gaddafi, Saddam and other “war criminals” that America has seen fit to bring to justice.

A careful read of one of the trickiest documents I have ever seen limits arrests of US elected officials as long as they are in office. Language protecting the military is less clear if not clear at all.

In doing so, Obama even puts himself at risk but the risk is far higher to Ashcroft, Gonzales, McCain, Lieberman, Bush (all), Cheney and a list of war criminals who may number in the thousands.

As to how far the ICC is willing to go is questionable. The organization tends to arrest only those of dark skin or targets of American foreign policy.

Perhaps that will change with the Arab Spring and elections in Europe which has gotten rid of some and may eventually remove nearly all the old leaders, most of whom are potential suspects in war crimes.

When we see Interpol put the cuffs on McCain and Lieberman and “perp walk” them out of the Senate, we will know we may get America back.


Much love!!

[Kimberley]

*************************


Have you all listened to David Wilcocks interview with Keenan's top expert on Admiralty Law, Winston Shrout? It was posted May 1, 2012.

If you have not listened you are missing some very important information on how things work!!

http://divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/1051-g7banks


TIME TO TALK TO AN EXPERT

I needed more information in order to be comfortable with posting these liens. Keenan's top expert on Admiralty Law, Winston Shrout, agreed to take all my questions in an interview.

I did my best to let the man speak, knowing that I could not possibly keep track of everything he was saying in real time. I look forward to reading the transcript and absorbing all this new information.

The last third of the interview is where we hit a 'stride' where I felt fairly confident in being able to follow what he was telling me.

Nonetheless, we have a massive new body of information now to sort through and consider.

Here is the link to that interview. Simply download this ZIP file, open it and decide where you want your MP3s to go. It's that simple.

http://divinecosmos.com/winston2012.zip


Much love to us all!!! :grouphug:

[Dennis Leahy]

... when I see some thing that is drenched in fear, i know something is up. Either misinfo or the person writing in this way is trapped in the "fear virus" running around these days.

Yvonne
I typed-out a reply based on the OP, and decided not to post it. It was fear-based, even if I was, in the end, optimistic. We have to know when NOT to throw fuel on the fire.

Dennis

[GoodETxSG]

This is a well established Disinfo group, they are obviously very good.
The disinfo groups are having a field day spreading this "Fear Porn" as are those of you who are addicted to it.
I have seen the war game scenarios... none of them end well for the Government or Cabal so they want to get us to take eachother out or give them reason to bring in the UN Troops (Which do NOT want to fight here).

The scenarios show within the Feds, Military and local law enforcement there being major splits, people would be shooting at each other while wearing the same uniforms. Ex-military, very seasoned war veterans would bring their experience and training to the people who stand up.

So prepare for the worst, have all the ammo for your weapons stock piled, have plenty of Silver (And Gold) and 3 months of food and water for your family. Be ready to protect your family and stand up with the correct group if and when the time comes.

Do not be quick to fire on American troops as they will be torn on whether to follow orders or their hearts. They will join with the people. You can expect them to put Merc’s in military uniforms to do bad things to cause you to turn on the troops.

The wise of us will sit back and watch the reactionary people clash and for people to “Out” themselves and being dangerous to the regimes. Then once it is obvious that the battle is on and who the players are we will join in.

Be wise and do not buy into the fear porn. If you do you are playing right into their hands. Many of you already have. Hook line and sinker…

[wynderer]

i see you're from my country -- we seem to think that as long as wars & dictatorships are happening only to other countries, then it's no problem

i happen to agree w/Corey's post below yours -- i don't see him talking about visualizing world peace -- perhaps he does, as i do too -- no doubt in all the war-torn countries, there are many who desperately prayed for & visualized peace before & during the bullets flying

i also think that Edgar Cayce's prophecy is in the making now -- that there would come a point in the USA when the darkness & corruption in high places would come to light, & the people of the USA would rise up & take the government back into our own hands

note - the 'rise up & take back' -- visualizing world peace is helpful, but i like Corey's outlined plan of action better





... when I see some thing that is drenched in fear, i know something is up. Either misinfo or the person writing in this way is trapped in the "fear virus" running around these days.

Yvonne
I typed-out a reply based on the OP, and decided not to post it. It was fear-based, even if I was, in the end, optimistic. We have to know when NOT to throw fuel on the fire.

Dennis

[GoodETxSG]

‘We Are Preparing For Massive Civil War’ Says DHS Informant


Dominique de Kevelioc de Bailleul
Before It’s News
May 4, 2012

In a riveting interview on TruNews Radio (http://www.trunews.com/listen_now.htm), Wednesday, private investigator Doug Hagmann said high-level, reliable sources told him the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) is preparing for “massive civil war” in America.

“We have problems . . . The federal government is preparing for civil uprising,” he added, “so every time you hear about troop movements, every time you hear about movements of military equipment, the militarization of the police, the buying of the ammunition, all of this is . . . they (DHS) are preparing for a massive uprising.”

Hagmann goes on to say that his sources tell him the concerns of the DHS stem from a collapse of the U.S. dollar and the hyperinflation a collapse in the value of the world’s primary reserve currency implies to a nation of 311 million Americans, who, for the significant portion of the population, is armed.

Uprisings in Greece is, indeed, a problem, but an uprising of armed Americans becomes a matter of serious national security, a point addressed in a recent report by the Pentagon and highlighted as a vulnerability and threat to the U.S. during war-game exercises at the Department of Defense last year, according to one of the DoD’s war-game participants, Jim Rickards, author of Currency Wars: The Making of the Next Global Crisis.

Through his sources, Hagmann confirmed Rickards’ ongoing thesis of a fear of a U.S. dollar collapse at the hands of the Chinese (U.S. treasury bond holders of approximately $1 trillion) and, possibly, the Russians (threatening to launch a gold-backed ruble as an attractive alternative to the U.S. dollar) in retaliation for aggressive U.S. foreign policy initiatives against China’s and Russia’s strategic allies Iran and Syria.

“The one source that we have I’ve known since 1979,” Hagmann continued. “He started out as a patrol officer and currently he is now working for a federal agency under the umbrella of the Department of Homeland Security; he’s in a position to know what policies are being initiated, what policies are being planned at this point, and he’s telling us right now—look, what you’re seeing is just the tip of the iceberg. We are preparing, we, meaning the government, we are preparing for a massive civil war in this country.”

“There’s no hyperbole here,” he added, echoing Trends Research Institute’s Founder Gerald Celente’s forecast of last year. Celente expects a collapse of the U.S. dollar and riots in America some time this year.
A d v e r t i s e m e n t
Since Celente’s ‘Civil War’ prediction of last year, executive orders NDAA and National Defense Resources Preparedness were signed into law by President Obama, which are both politically damaging actions taken by a sitting president.

And most recently, requests made by the DHS for the procurement of 450 million rounds of hollow-point ammunition only fuels speculation of an upcoming tragic event expected on American soil.

These major events, as shocking to the American people as they are, have taken place during an election year.

Escalating preparatory activities by the executive branch and DHS throughout the last decade—from the Patriot Act, to countless executive orders drafted to suspend (or strip) American civil liberties “are just the beginning” of the nightmare to come, Hagmann said.

He added, “It’s going to get so much worse toward the election, and I’m not even sure we’re going to have an election in this country. It’s going to be that bad, and this, as well, is coming from my sources. But one source in particular said, ‘look, you don’t understand how bad it is.’ This stuff is real; these people, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), they are ready to fight the American people.”

TruNews‘ Wiles asked Hagmann: who does the DHS expect to fight, in particular? Another North versus South, the Yankees against the Confederates? Hagmann stated the situation is far worse than a struggle between any two factions within the U.S.; it’s an anticipated nationwide emergency event centered on the nation’s currency.

“What they [DHS] are expecting, and again, this is according to my sources, what they’re expecting is the un-sustainability of the American dollar,” Hagmann said. “And we know for a fact that we can no longer service our debt. There’s going to be a period of hyperinflation . . . the dollar will be worthless . . . The economic collapse will be so severe, people won’t be ready for this.”

Source: Full TruNews interview, May 2, 2012.

Please use your brains people... prepare but be wise and not easily led around by your nose...

Like moths to the flame,
If you are hungry for a big dose of Fear Porn get out your favorite lubricant and go to this thread:
"Armed Forces in US towns"

Plenty of action for you there who are locked into negativity and unable to reason beyond your own narrow perspective.

It is a good thread to read just as an example of how easy we are to manipulate. Even though they have conditioned us for some time the manipulators are constantly surprised at how easy it is to manipulate us.

[wynderer]

fear porn? now news items are fear porn? i like facts myself

still waiting for a direct answer from you re: why armed troops are in our family neighborhoods

& 2) do you see our military as not being under the control of the NWO , taking into account the resistance within some branches





Please use your brains people... prepare but be wise and not easily led around by your nose...

Like moths to the flame,
If you are hungry for a big dose of Fear Porn get out your favorite lubricant and go to this thread:
"Armed Forces in US towns"

Plenty of action for you there who are locked into negativity and unable to reason beyond your own narrow perspective.

It is a good thread to read just as an example of how easy we are to manipulate. Even though they have conditioned us for some time the manipulators are constantly surprised at how easy it is to manipulate us.

[RedeZra]

is the 2012 Chicago summit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Chicago_Summit) by Nato this May being used as a test and training case for big city martial law or perhaps a false flag


and why does the Nato summit in Chicago coincide with a joint US-Russia military drill in Colorado ?

according to rumors Russian airborne troops are to take and hold Denver Airport and the main facilities of CIA and NSA


http://www.eutimes.net/2012/04/us-calls-for-russian-airborne-troops-to-take-and-hold-denver-airport/comment-page-1/#comment-44734

ps - Sorcha Faal source



the US government like the UN and most all the governments of the world are collaborating

to install the New World Order


there might be mass arrests on political members but that's just because they are pawns and useful idiots

who have worked against and sold their countries just to receive a noose in the end

[GoodETxSG]

I got some of your communications, I am not responding to that person or following anything they say anymore after clicking "Ignore" on their profile I do not see anything they post now.

If you go to their thread that I mentioned I make it quite clear why in one of my posts there. The one about Armed US Soldiers on American street or cities... something like that. Just check out the thread.

There is no such thing as a rational discussion w/a person or what ever they think they are like that... So I digress and lets get back to the topic. Cool?

:loco: :sick: :lalala: :drag:

[GoodETxSG]

I got some of your communications, I am not responding to that person or following anything they say anymore after clicking "Ignore" on their profile I do not see anything they post now.

If you go to their thread that I mentioned I make it quite clear why in one of my posts there. The one about Armed US Soldiers on American street or cities... something like that. Just check out the thread.

There is no such thing as a rational discussion w/a person or what ever they think they are like that... So I digress and lets get back to the topic. Cool?

:loco: :sick: :lalala: :drag:


Yea, I received a copy of that post, and I love it when people prove my point for me... Like I said, prepare for the worst, hope for the best... Have a way to protect yourself/family (Yes, guns/ammo), Communications ability (HAM Radio), have Silver/Gold to buy/barter for what you do not have, and have a minimum of 3 months of food/water for each family member on hand. See why I avoid circular debates with unstable (:der: :wacko2:) people? Do your own research and make up your own minds and prepare accordingly.
Do not be enticed or lead astray by those who think they have the market cornered on TRUTH.

[GoodETxSG]

is the 2012 Chicago summit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Chicago_Summit) by Nato this May being used as a test and training case for big city martial law or perhaps a false flag


and why does the Nato summit in Chicago coincide with a joint US-Russia military drill in Colorado ?

according to rumors Russian airborne troops are to take and hold Denver Airport and the main facilities of CIA and NSA


http://www.eutimes.net/2012/04/us-calls-for-russian-airborne-troops-to-take-and-hold-denver-airport/comment-page-1/#comment-44734

ps - Sorcha Faal source



the US government like the UN and most all the governments of the world are collaborating

to install the New World Order


there might be mass arrests on political members but that's just because they are pawns and useful idiots

who have worked against and sold their countries just to receive a noose in the end

Honestly, if anyone quotes... Sorcha Faal they have not done their research. There have been over 3 points of connection between him and disinfo groups. Any and ALL info coming from Sorcha Faal is completely suspect and should be ignored and avoided like VD. Seriously... stay away and do not poison your mind...

[Heartsong]

What if they gave a war and nobody came?

[MargueriteBee]

I refuse to go down this timeline, period.



‘We Are Preparing For Massive Civil War’ Says DHS Informant


Dominique de Kevelioc de Bailleul
Before It’s News
May 4, 2012

In a riveting interview on TruNews Radio (http://www.trunews.com/listen_now.htm), Wednesday, private investigator Doug Hagmann said high-level, reliable sources told him the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) is preparing for “massive civil war” in America.

“We have problems . . . The federal government is preparing for civil uprising,” he added, “so every time you hear about troop movements, every time you hear about movements of military equipment, the militarization of the police, the buying of the ammunition, all of this is . . . they (DHS) are preparing for a massive uprising.”

Hagmann goes on to say that his sources tell him the concerns of the DHS stem from a collapse of the U.S. dollar and the hyperinflation a collapse in the value of the world’s primary reserve currency implies to a nation of 311 million Americans, who, for the significant portion of the population, is armed.

Uprisings in Greece is, indeed, a problem, but an uprising of armed Americans becomes a matter of serious national security, a point addressed in a recent report by the Pentagon and highlighted as a vulnerability and threat to the U.S. during war-game exercises at the Department of Defense last year, according to one of the DoD’s war-game participants, Jim Rickards, author of Currency Wars: The Making of the Next Global Crisis.

Through his sources, Hagmann confirmed Rickards’ ongoing thesis of a fear of a U.S. dollar collapse at the hands of the Chinese (U.S. treasury bond holders of approximately $1 trillion) and, possibly, the Russians (threatening to launch a gold-backed ruble as an attractive alternative to the U.S. dollar) in retaliation for aggressive U.S. foreign policy initiatives against China’s and Russia’s strategic allies Iran and Syria.

“The one source that we have I’ve known since 1979,” Hagmann continued. “He started out as a patrol officer and currently he is now working for a federal agency under the umbrella of the Department of Homeland Security; he’s in a position to know what policies are being initiated, what policies are being planned at this point, and he’s telling us right now—look, what you’re seeing is just the tip of the iceberg. We are preparing, we, meaning the government, we are preparing for a massive civil war in this country.”

“There’s no hyperbole here,” he added, echoing Trends Research Institute’s Founder Gerald Celente’s forecast of last year. Celente expects a collapse of the U.S. dollar and riots in America some time this year.
A d v e r t i s e m e n t
Since Celente’s ‘Civil War’ prediction of last year, executive orders NDAA and National Defense Resources Preparedness were signed into law by President Obama, which are both politically damaging actions taken by a sitting president.

And most recently, requests made by the DHS for the procurement of 450 million rounds of hollow-point ammunition only fuels speculation of an upcoming tragic event expected on American soil.

These major events, as shocking to the American people as they are, have taken place during an election year.

Escalating preparatory activities by the executive branch and DHS throughout the last decade—from the Patriot Act, to countless executive orders drafted to suspend (or strip) American civil liberties “are just the beginning” of the nightmare to come, Hagmann said.

He added, “It’s going to get so much worse toward the election, and I’m not even sure we’re going to have an election in this country. It’s going to be that bad, and this, as well, is coming from my sources. But one source in particular said, ‘look, you don’t understand how bad it is.’ This stuff is real; these people, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), they are ready to fight the American people.”

TruNews‘ Wiles asked Hagmann: who does the DHS expect to fight, in particular? Another North versus South, the Yankees against the Confederates? Hagmann stated the situation is far worse than a struggle between any two factions within the U.S.; it’s an anticipated nationwide emergency event centered on the nation’s currency.

“What they [DHS] are expecting, and again, this is according to my sources, what they’re expecting is the un-sustainability of the American dollar,” Hagmann said. “And we know for a fact that we can no longer service our debt. There’s going to be a period of hyperinflation . . . the dollar will be worthless . . . The economic collapse will be so severe, people won’t be ready for this.”

Source: Full TruNews interview, May 2, 2012.

[Arrowwind]

There is evidence of divine intervention preventing any additional wars, including civil wars and ww3. All this war talk is fearmongering. We still have not seen an Iran war despite talks about it for years.

Well what do you call what is going on in Syria? or in Southern Sudan?

[GoodETxSG]

There is evidence of divine intervention preventing any additional wars, including civil wars and ww3. All this war talk is fearmongering. We still have not seen an Iran war despite talks about it for years.

Well what do you call what is going on in Syria? or in Southern Sudan?

I call it a very Evil game of Chess, one that is being used to manipulate a larger conflict that will further their agenda. If there truely were SMART bombs they would automatically find their ways to the estates of the Cabalists making these sick and inhuman decisions.

[RedeZra]

according to rumors Russian airborne troops are to take and hold Denver Airport and the main facilities of CIA and NSA


http://www.eutimes.net/2012/04/us-calls-for-russian-airborne-troops-to-take-and-hold-denver-airport/comment-page-1/#comment-44734

ps - Sorcha Faal source



Honestly, if anyone quotes... Sorcha Faal they have not done their research.


i know sister Sorcha is best with a bag of salt

but the US government must have some help

to take on the American people


besides this time it's not only Sorcha who (dis)informs



http://bonfiresblog.wordpress.com/2012/04/27/joint-us-russia-military-drills-taking-place-at-denver-international-airport/

http://thenewamerican.com/usnews/foreign-policy/item/11002-russian-troops-coming-to-us-for-terror-drills-dod-confirms

[GoodETxSG]

according to rumors Russian airborne troops are to take and hold Denver Airport and the main facilities of CIA and NSA


http://www.eutimes.net/2012/04/us-calls-for-russian-airborne-troops-to-take-and-hold-denver-airport/comment-page-1/#comment-44734

ps - Sorcha Faal source



Honestly, if anyone quotes... Sorcha Faal they have not done their research.


i know sister Sorcha is best with a bag of salt

but the US government must have some help

to take on the American people


besides this time it's not only Sorcha who (dis)informs



http://bonfiresblog.wordpress.com/2012/04/27/joint-us-russia-military-drills-taking-place-at-denver-international-airport/

http://thenewamerican.com/usnews/foreign-policy/item/11002-russian-troops-coming-to-us-for-terror-drills-dod-confirms

Yes sir, there is an entire counter network of disinfo agents that cater to exopolitics types of people, they do psych profiles on us and then tailor their info so that it fits our preconceived notions and will be most easily accepted and passed along in a viral email/blog for maximum effect. The dirty tricks are very well developed, it is an ART form... and one they are proud of.

[Moz]

Fear porn or not according to the documentary done by the BBC panorama, called "Poor America" aired Feb 2012, the social divide is so big that it could become a serious issue. I believe that the government is just preparing for oppression of its own citizen that demand a healthy country to live in when they decide to not take this system any more.

ME8XhkOGzOs

Love to you all,
Moz

[Arrowwind]

Unfortuantely all this will not lead to revolution. these people will never get organized and motivation is low to protest.
Combined with the trash food diet designed to create apathy and low energy and the inability to survive off the land or provide any type of transportation for themselves, revoltuion will never happen from the homeless.

Revolution will come from Libertarians, if it ever comes at all. But instead of old time revolution people will isolate and cut themselves off from the mainstream.

for We all know that the military, the national guard, and the local swat teams are tough to stand up against and although we might like to have a revoluton we would also like to live to tell about it

[evancruz1]

"an uprising of armed Americans becomes a matter of serious national security"

WTF! We are the nation! How dare those fools try to make us out to be the bad guys!

If good people are forced to take back the country they love and call their home it's not a national security issue.

It's uprising to reaquire peace and the Constitution we all know to be truth. To rid ourselves of the evil whom have the audasity to call us the terrorists.

Those whom turned our soldiers sworn to defend this country against all enemies, foreign and domestic into their personal Mercenaries.

I'm preaching to the quire I know but wow that strikes a nerve...

[wynderer]

that's the big question for me -- will a revolution [if any] be for Liberty & Justice for All? & our Bill of Rights? -- or will it be every home or every neighborhood fighting for their own & their family's/tribe's survival?

having endured my fellow countrymen & women's silence after the passage of the Patriot Act -- [& their silence on many other atrocities of our mil/industrial/gov't complex -- well, it ain't over till the Fat Lady sings ...

i was thinking today about Chet Snow's 'Mass Dreams of the Future' published in '93 -- i paid attention to these pro-gressions into many individuals' future life, because i don't think this was some mind-control op

as he listened to many such progressions, a pattern began to emerge of 3 distinct timelines shaping up for all on this planet

the one relevant to this discussion was of an Earth in which people were all living in heavily armed & guarded camps , all fighting each other -- each person describing this timeline/future saw & described it from a personal p.o.v.


Unfortuantely all this will not lead to revolution. these people will never get organized and motivation is low to protest.
Combined with the trash food diet designed to create apathy and low energy and the inability to survive off the land or provide any type of transportation for themselves, revoltuion will never happen from the homeless.

Revolution will come from Libertarians, if it ever comes at all. But instead of old time revolution people will isolate and cut themselves off from the mainstream.

for We all know that the military, the national guard, and the local swat teams are tough to stand up against and although we might like to have a revoluton we would also like to live to tell about it

[GoodETxSG]

Unfortuantely all this will not lead to revolution. these people will never get organized and motivation is low to protest.
Combined with the trash food diet designed to create apathy and low energy and the inability to survive off the land or provide any type of transportation for themselves, revoltuion will never happen from the homeless.

Revolution will come from Libertarians, if it ever comes at all. But instead of old time revolution people will isolate and cut themselves off from the mainstream.

for We all know that the military, the national guard, and the local swat teams are tough to stand up against and although we might like to have a revoluton we would also like to live to tell about it

That is thinking inside the box THEY built around you... keeping your mind on silly things like policical parties, L & R, Good and Bad political groups etc... it keeps us divided and bumping heads with eachother... totallllly distracted while they continue their plan and laugh at the sheep and shepards battling over the same field of grass. It is a very limited way of thinking and it is the Roach Motel of Dogma, you check in but you never check out.

[GoodETxSG]

:amen:
"an uprising of armed Americans becomes a matter of serious national security"

WTF! We are the nation! How dare those fools try to make us out to be the bad guys!

If good people are forced to take back the country they love and call their home it's not a national security issue.

It's uprising to reaquire peace and the Constitution we all know to be truth. To rid ourselves of the evil whom have the audasity to call us the terrorists.

Those whom turned our soldiers sworn to defend this country against all enemies, foreign and domestic into their personal Mercenaries.

I'm preaching to the quire I know but wow that strikes a nerve...

Amen... very true! :amen:

[Lefty Dave]

There is evidence of divine intervention preventing any additional wars, including civil wars and ww3. All this war talk is fearmongering. We still have not seen an Iran war despite talks about it for years.

finance their enemy....embargo their foods, medicines,... surround their country with ships,troops,planes...spew rhetoric against them daily in media...
nope, no signs of war here !!!

[wynderer]

i meant to include in my post that i hope there are many USA citizens w/the same thinking & passion as Evancruz1 -- i believe our country is intended to be a beacon & a living example of Freedom for the rest of the world


"an uprising of armed Americans becomes a matter of serious national security"

WTF! We are the nation! How dare those fools try to make us out to be the bad guys!

If good people are forced to take back the country they love and call their home it's not a national security issue.

It's uprising to reaquire peace and the Constitution we all know to be truth. To rid ourselves of the evil whom have the audasity to call us the terrorists.

Those whom turned our soldiers sworn to defend this country against all enemies, foreign and domestic into their personal Mercenaries.

I'm preaching to the quire I know but wow that strikes a nerve...

[Arrowwind]

Unfortuantely all this will not lead to revolution. these people will never get organized and motivation is low to protest.
Combined with the trash food diet designed to create apathy and low energy and the inability to survive off the land or provide any type of transportation for themselves, revoltuion will never happen from the homeless.

Revolution will come from Libertarians, if it ever comes at all. But instead of old time revolution people will isolate and cut themselves off from the mainstream.

for We all know that the military, the national guard, and the local swat teams are tough to stand up against and although we might like to have a revoluton we would also like to live to tell about it

That is thinking inside the box THEY built around you... keeping your mind on silly things like policical parties, L & R, Good and Bad political groups etc... it keeps us divided and bumping heads with eachother... totallllly distracted while they continue their plan and laugh at the sheep and shepards battling over the same field of grass. It is a very limited way of thinking and it is the Roach Motel of Dogma, you check in but you never check out.

contrary to what you may think I am one of the most out of the box people you could ever encounter. I live what I preach.... and I do find it personally offensive your judgement towards me.

You must think about political parties for those are the weapons upon the masses and watching the trends there will indicate what is going on on different levels.

The parties are a smoke screen for sure for what is really happening but yet, the agenda of the PTB are being worked out through the parties over the last 50 years by usurping the inherent soverignity of a party of people with such acts as the recently passed law that states corporations can fund unlimited resources in an election... so we are moving from parties to corporate rule.. We are coming to a point where elections, law making and all the accustomed avenues of controlling society through agreed upon processes are being waysided by secret commitees and laws implemented by the president through exceutive order. I say that we are 'coming' becasue they aint done yet upsurping the integrity of a system that once worked perhaps better than other systems on the planet.

Libertarian, perhaps I should have used a different word. But if you have liberty it means that you are free in your thinking and accord the same right to all people, it also means that you are free to create your personal reality without the influence of media or corporations or image makers or tyrannts... and in this nation LIBERTARIAN, as in the party, means that you accord to the Constitution. Something that neither of the other parties does regardless of their rhetoric. and these days some Libertarians cant be trusted either.

In either case, our society will not survive without a signficant raising of consciousness. But we as a people will survive, some in better shape than others... come hell or high water. I do think that the controllers will end up eating themselves alive in thier survival efforts. The day will come when to just have a healthy child will be the most coveted posession. Clearly the ability to genetically reproduce and remain healthy thoughout a lifespan is dwindling fast.... very fast!!! A society without health has nothing and they will be controlled by the powers that be until they die. Our ace in the hole is that the PTB often susbscribe to the very poison that they press upon their slaves. It is all going down hill very fast. Another two or three generations and we shall see what we shall see.

One in three children are now obese.
One in one hundred have autism
50 percent of the population will get cancer as of current but that stat has been increaseing every decade over the last 50 years
Whats the stat for Alzheimers? and early Alzheimers is increasing by leaps and bounds
Incurable infections now rage though the community
80 percent of the population eats chemicals by choice (or ignorance), daily
The US has the worst health of all industrialized nations
Most people by the age of 50 take some kind of perscription drug ( a perscription poison)
50 percent take one by the age of 40
10% of adults are on antidepressants or other drugs for mental disorger or anxiety
10% of school age children are on some kind of prescription drug
almost all have had their immune system comprimised by needless and dangerous vaccination
Monsanto and Dow are on the verge of wiping out our agricultural capabilities

All this has to do with the PTB and humanity's consciousness level. I suggest for an eye opener to read Les Miserables, and no, the play nor the movie will do.
Nothing has changed. Nothing except for the few have taken hold of their personal power and changed themselves.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fa/Incarceration_rates_worldwide.gif/300px-Incarceration_rates_worldwide.gif (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Incarceration_rates_worldwide.gif)
http://bits.wikimedia.org/skins-1.20wmf1/common/images/magnify-clip.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Incarceration_rates_worldwide.gif)
The stats source is the World Prison Population List. 8th edition. Prisoners per 100,000 population.[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States#cite_note-WorldPrisonBrief-6)[26] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States#cite_note-8thedition-25)[27] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States#cite_note-undp-26)

[Rogerc]

that's the big question for me -- will a revolution [if any] be for Liberty & Justice for All? & our Bill of Rights? -- or will it be every home or every neighborhood fighting for their own & their family's/tribe's survival?

having endured my fellow countrymen & women's silence after the passage of the Patriot Act -- [& their silence on many other atrocities of our mil/industrial/gov't complex -- well, it ain't over till the Fat Lady sings ...

i was thinking today about Chet Snow's 'Mass Dreams of the Future' published in '93 -- i paid attention to these pro-gressions into many individuals' future life, because i don't think this was some mind-control op

as he listened to many such progressions, a pattern began to emerge of 3 distinct timelines shaping up for all on this planet

the one relevant to this discussion was of an Earth in which people were all living in heavily armed & guarded camps , all fighting each other -- each person describing this timeline/future saw & described it from a personal p.o.v.


Unfortuantely all this will not lead to revolution. these people will never get organized and motivation is low to protest.
Combined with the trash food diet designed to create apathy and low energy and the inability to survive off the land or provide any type of transportation for themselves, revoltuion will never happen from the homeless.

Revolution will come from Libertarians, if it ever comes at all. But instead of old time revolution people will isolate and cut themselves off from the mainstream.

for We all know that the military, the national guard, and the local swat teams are tough to stand up against and although we might like to have a revoluton we would also like to live to tell about it


MAD MAX - Shows this scenario

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Arrowwind,

Does that graph show total figures or per capita?

[Rogerc]

TruNews Radio is a heavily biased Christian organisation and I am always wary of sect based groups.

[GoodETxSG]

Every thing is sect based info... even what you read here... there are several different sects in this forum that have different outlooks and report from their sects point of view. So, you have to realize that all info is like this and you have to be able to pick out the useful info out of the rest of their beliefs (Which have all the halmarks of religions)...

[Arrowwind]

[/COLOR]Arrowwind,

Does that graph show total figures or per capita?

yes, per capita

[tenacity1]

This is a well established Disinfo group, they are obviously very good.
The disinfo groups are having a field day spreading this "Fear Porn" as are those of you who are addicted to it.
I have seen the war game scenarios... none of them end well for the Government or Cabal so they want to get us to take eachother out or give them reason to bring in the UN Troops (Which do NOT want to fight here).

The scenarios show within the Feds, Military and local law enforcement there being major splits, people would be shooting at each other while wearing the same uniforms. Ex-military, very seasoned war veterans would bring their experience and training to the people who stand up.

So prepare for the worst, have all the ammo for your weapons stock piled, have plenty of Silver (And Gold) and 3 months of food and water for your family. Be ready to protect your family and stand up with the correct group if and when the time comes.

Do not be quick to fire on American troops as they will be torn on whether to follow orders or their hearts. They will join with the people. You can expect them to put Merc’s in military uniforms to do bad things to cause you to turn on the troops.

The wise of us will sit back and watch the reactionary people clash and for people to “Out” themselves and being dangerous to the regimes. Then once it is obvious that the battle is on and who the players are we will join in.

Be wise and do not buy into the fear porn. If you do you are playing right into their hands. Many of you already have. Hook line and sinker…

wise words.. Buying into fear is like listening to Glenn beck essentially useless unless you like making your blood pressure rise.. Fear porn may well be the best phrase of these times.. False expectations against reality. I see it as this some bloody fools are trying to start trouble and those who follow them are even more follish than they are. You don't always need a gun, in fact if you used your minds guns would not be even relevant.

[GoodETxSG]

This is a well established Disinfo group, they are obviously very good.
The disinfo groups are having a field day spreading this "Fear Porn" as are those of you who are addicted to it.
I have seen the war game scenarios... none of them end well for the Government or Cabal so they want to get us to take eachother out or give them reason to bring in the UN Troops (Which do NOT want to fight here).

The scenarios show within the Feds, Military and local law enforcement there being major splits, people would be shooting at each other while wearing the same uniforms. Ex-military, very seasoned war veterans would bring their experience and training to the people who stand up.

So prepare for the worst, have all the ammo for your weapons stock piled, have plenty of Silver (And Gold) and 3 months of food and water for your family. Be ready to protect your family and stand up with the correct group if and when the time comes.

Do not be quick to fire on American troops as they will be torn on whether to follow orders or their hearts. They will join with the people. You can expect them to put Merc’s in military uniforms to do bad things to cause you to turn on the troops.

The wise of us will sit back and watch the reactionary people clash and for people to “Out” themselves and being dangerous to the regimes. Then once it is obvious that the battle is on and who the players are we will join in.

Be wise and do not buy into the fear porn. If you do you are playing right into their hands. Many of you already have. Hook line and sinker…

wise words.. Buying into fear is like listening to Glenn beck essentially useless unless you like making your blood pressure rise.. Fear porn may well be the best phrase of these times.. False expectations against reality. I see it as this some bloody fools are trying to start trouble and those who follow them are even more follish than they are. You don't always need a gun, in fact if you used your minds guns would not be even relevant.

True, you may not ever need a gun... but as I always say, "It is better to have one and not need it than to need one and not have it"... besides, if it came down to it I would hand over my gun... I am trained to obtain another one from a person who has one that shouldn't have one if you catch my drift.
;)
The people that are addicted to the Fear Porn and are in denial will just keep on "Using"... it is wise to be ready for the bad things to happen but not dwell on it 24/7. If you create your own reality then I would rather dwell on a good outcome. If the bad happens, my family will have what they need.

[the_vast_mystery]

TruNews Radio is a heavily biased Christian organisation and I am always wary of sect based groups.

Absolutely everyone who has a will of their own has their own Agenda, by knowing what that Agenda is you are now well equipped to filter out the bias to look and see if there is anything useful and factual that can be extracted from a given source. Sometimes to get the full story requires looking through three to six heavily biased sources to see what the common factual threads are that can be seen by comparing each account.

[wynderer]

yes -- if those silly Jews & Communists & Gypsies & gays had just not bought into all the fear porn going around about Hitler & the Nazis , then Hitler would never have come to power

[Molope]

There is evidence of divine intervention preventing any additional wars, including civil wars and ww3. All this war talk is fearmongering. We still have not seen an Iran war despite talks about it for years.
I woud like to see any intervention preventing the chaos Greece is suffering because as you can see here in this link of my post you will see that pretty much Greece is a broken Society due to all the economic problems here in Europe. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44833-Neonazis-on-Greek-Parlament--Political-Caos-on-Greece.
So where is the interventionism? Its true that things havent got worst whith Iran thats true but the world isnt better theres still a looot of things quite bad at this moment around the world.
I dont intend to be aggressive or spread fear but if this interventions are happening they shoud also do something for Europe because and dont take offense but all the info i see around is all about USA.I do understand that USA is an important country but its too much amerocentrism,Europe and Asia also have problems and people seeking for the truth and to resolve this problems.

I hope i havent gone too much off topic...Thanks.

[sdv]

i believe our country is intended to be a beacon & a living example of Freedom for the rest of the world

The rest of the world does not want or need you to take it upon yourself to be a beacon and living example of anything. We have seen American freedom and democracy and capitalism at work, and are tired of having it shoved down our throats. So, if this is your goal, then perhaps you should rethink!

[wynderer]

i've written lots & lots of other posts if you're really interested in what my 'goal' is -- before you define anyone else's goal in the future, pls take the time to know who you are addressing & what their experiences have been before putting words in their mouth

i can't believe i am wasting my time on such a petty little post, but what the hey



i believe our country is intended to be a beacon & a living example of Freedom for the rest of the world

The rest of the world does not want or need you to take it upon yourself to be a beacon and living example of anything. We have seen American freedom and democracy and capitalism at work, and are tired of having it shoved down our throats. So, if this is your goal, then perhaps you should rethink!

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i don't think this is off topic -- it's the same NWO destroying Greece as the NWO destroying the USA



There is evidence of divine intervention preventing any additional wars, including civil wars and ww3. All this war talk is fearmongering. We still have not seen an Iran war despite talks about it for years.
I woud like to see any intervention preventing the chaos Greece is suffering because as you can see here in this link of my post you will see that pretty much Greece is a broken Society due to all the economic problems here in Europe. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44833-Neonazis-on-Greek-Parlament--Political-Caos-on-Greece.
So where is the interventionism? Its true that things havent got worst whith Iran thats true but the world isnt better theres still a looot of things quite bad at this moment around the world.
I dont intend to be aggressive or spread fear but if this interventions are happening they shoud also do something for Europe because and dont take offense but all the info i see around is all about USA.I do understand that USA is an important country but its too much amerocentrism,Europe and Asia also have problems and people seeking for the truth and to resolve this problems.

I hope i havent gone too much off topic...Thanks.

[Unified Serenity]

SDV,

A beacon just shines, it does not force. America has not been the friend to the world it should have been, and it's gone off course, but many people from many nations fled what they did have for the chance at the "American Dream". At one time, it did not matter where you were from or who you were, but if you worked hard you would be able to live a decent life here. Government has basically put an end to that possibility. They have intentionally torn down our industry, ruined our schools, and destroyed our reputation worldwide. The goal is to isolate America so when the hammer does come down, we are on our own.

Those of us who see what is happening are doing what we can to live honorably, ethically, and take care of our individual communities. I personally wish for a day when America is not in every country with our military playing world security force. I think it's a joke that we send aid to millions around the world while our own suffer. America has always been the first to reach out to help others in need, but many show their jealousy and hatred for our past blessings and successes by taking every opportunity to blame America now.

This is all by design. We are a strong people. You may hear more about America because we have more people active on the forums. It is not my fault that people in other countries are not posting their own thoughts about their countries, but some choose to just complain about America. If you want to talk about Europe or Asia, no one is stopping you. It seems you want to control what others choose to focus on. I do not have such thoughts.

[GoodETxSG]

Dodo Birds of a feather flock together, they only understand their own chirps and squeals and swoop down and attack any other bird that doesn't sing their song... Every other opinion that does not match their own is from and "Ignorant", "Closed" MINDED or are brain washed and controlled by the lizard people and cabal.
:der:

:jester:

You open minded intellects here seem to not learn that you cannot reason with these people... Keep trying but your labor will be fruitless.

[sdv]

Phew, Unified Serenity you have projected a lot onto what I have said that is completely out of touch with what I said.

What I see you express is a lot of delusions (e.g. the myth that America is the great benefactor gives millions away to the poor of the world - 80% of foreign aid goes to USA interests abroad, the USA gives least among the world's industrialised nations, by far, in actuality only about 0.1% of the USA budget goes to foreign aid, and Israel is the main recepient of USA foreign aid).

Now I don't intend to reduce this thread to a squabble, so I'm not coming back to it.

[RedeZra]

we can't have a muslim commi in the White House

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_NRKTzpXreWM/TUq6jofrT5I/AAAAAAAAARg/HBom3oldYtk/s400/1132259166_esfist-one.jpg

YES WE CAN

Viva la Revolution




here is a little update leak from inside the DHS

and some background about the Chicago commi milieu around Obama



http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/46516

http://www.wnd.com/2012/04/valerie-jarrett-planted-by-communist-sympathizer/



it is interesting to note that the insider thinks Mr Farrakhan is on the CIA payroll and... "is to coordinate the Blacks and the Muslims to prepare for riots this summer, using any means necessary."

[Rogerc]

we can't have a muslim commi in the White House

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_NRKTzpXreWM/TUq6jofrT5I/AAAAAAAAARg/HBom3oldYtk/s400/1132259166_esfist-one.jpg

YES WE CAN

Viva la Revolution




here is a little update leak from inside the DHS

and some background about the Chicago commi milieu around Obama



http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/46516

http://www.wnd.com/2012/04/valerie-jarrett-planted-by-communist-sympathizer/



it is interesting to note that the insider thinks Mr Farrakhan is on the CIA payroll and... "is to coordinate the Blacks and the Muslims to prepare for riots this summer, using any means necessary."

Nor a Christian fascist

[RedeZra]

we can't have a muslim commi in the White House

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_NRKTzpXreWM/TUq6jofrT5I/AAAAAAAAARg/HBom3oldYtk/s400/1132259166_esfist-one.jpg

YES WE CAN

Viva la Revolution




Nor a Christian fascist


don't worry ; )

we don't have a Christian fascist in the White House

and we probably never had


communism is an illuminati invention to counter Christendom

and there are no professing Christians (left) right after a commi takeover


but isen't that a good thing ?

well what can i say to that

[wynderer]

it doesn't matter who is in the White House -- it's not a question of the USA vs Europe/Asia etc in terms of number of posts or anything else

it's the New WORLD Order -- at this time in history, my country is at the top of the heap [tho struggling to maintain this position] in terms of military power & presence thruout the world -- the NWO has to bring us down in part to have control of all USA assets, & in part because We the People are a threat because we still have guns

[ljwheat]

There is one scenario that none of you are looking at. What better way to find out your enemy names address political back ground or who’s side one is on than this key board I’m typing on, dose he have guns? and how he feels in using them? Than start a thread on this subject and record and document were the key resistance is located world wide via the internet. What list have you inadvertently put name and address on to by voicing your outrage or opinion on a not so privet comfortable setting as your home or office under the name of complacency. The camera’s on street corners are kids play compared to the live, moment to moment sensors tied to your key board. And you have no clue that your number’s have already have been crunched and labeled. Alterative media, town hall awake in the know site’s like this are heavily watched and recorded. Now that you know its to late. You’ve put yourself and your family on a list you didn’t know existed. that’s what gossip dose in a high tech world your living in now. So in other words there are some topic’s you shouldn’t respond to. Stop feeding HLS.

[wynderer]

this thought crossed my mind also, LJ

after 9/11 & then the Patriot Act, it was very scary to speak out against our war on the Iraqi people -- we were accused of being unpatriotic -- i took part in a small demo for peace every Saturday at that time, & people going by in cars would shout 'F*** you' & give us the finger even tho there were some little children w/us

i decided during that time that i was not going to let fear rule my life & shut my mouth -- neither fear of the stupid portion of Humans, nor fear of their behind-the-scenes controllers, whom i have to deal w/as an abductee

as i see it, the entire Human race is at risk of being eliminated &/or modified into non-Human beings -- my own personal safety does not seem especially important in light of that

wyn






There is one scenario that none of you are looking at. What better way to find out your enemy names address political back ground or who’s side one is on than this key board I’m typing on, dose he have guns? and how he feels in using them? Than start a thread on this subject and record and document were the key resistance is located world wide via the internet. What list have you inadvertently put name and address on to by voicing your outrage or opinion on a not so privet comfortable setting as your home or office under the name of complacency. The camera’s on street corners are kids play compared to the live, moment to moment sensors tied to your key board. And you have no clue that your number’s have already have been crunched and labeled. Alterative media, town hall awake in the know site’s like this are heavily watched and recorded. Now that you know its to late. You’ve put yourself and your family on a list you didn’t know existed. that’s what gossip dose in a high tech world your living in now. So in other words there are some topic’s you shouldn’t respond to. Stop feeding HLS.

[ljwheat]

this thought crossed my mind also, LJ

after 9/11 & then the Patriot Act, it was very scary to speak out against our war on the Iraqi people -- we were accused of being unpatriotic -- i took part in a small demo for peace every Saturday at that time, & people going by in cars would shout 'F*** you' & give us the finger even tho there were some little children w/us

i decided during that time that i was not going to let fear rule my life & shut my mouth -- neither fear of the stupid portion of Humans, nor fear of their behind-the-scenes controllers, whom i have to deal w/as an abductee

as i see it, the entire Human race is at risk of being eliminated &/or modified into non-Human beings -- my own personal safety does not seem especially important in light of that

wyn






There is one scenario that none of you are looking at. What better way to find out your enemy names address political back ground or who’s side one is on than this key board I’m typing on, dose he have guns? and how he feels in using them? Than start a thread on this subject and record and document were the key resistance is located world wide via the internet. What list have you inadvertently put name and address on to by voicing your outrage or opinion on a not so privet comfortable setting as your home or office under the name of complacency. The camera’s on street corners are kids play compared to the live, moment to moment sensors tied to your key board. And you have no clue that your number’s have already have been crunched and labeled. Alterative media, town hall awake in the know site’s like this are heavily watched and recorded. Now that you know its to late. You’ve put yourself and your family on a list you didn’t know existed. that’s what gossip dose in a high tech world your living in now. So in other words there are some topic’s you shouldn’t respond to. Stop feeding HLS.

So very true, other wise I would not have brought light to it, I’m retired but you don’t forget your training after leaving service and they know they can not take this country by force, so it’s a soft take over of the minds still asleep in the main stream.
The logistics’ is not in the cards the numbers are just to great against any physical take over. Eliminating individuals and pockets is a daunting task as there are literally millions of ex-trained military armed family’s dedicated to home life and this country. Its still a sleeping giant, they don’t want to waken. Although they like to poke it once in awhile to see how asleep it is. No I’m not worried, but you can bet they are, because it keep’s serf icing like the night of the living dead. I risked my life in Viet Nahm ---- protecting my own soil, is a no brainer. :nod:

[wynderer]

when the food supply is cut off & the only food available is in the FEMA camps -- piece of cake

those who are stockpiling food -- they will be prime targets of some who will kill for it -- & what about when that food runs out?

[GoodETxSG]

I got some of your communications, I am not responding to that person or following anything they say anymore after clicking "Ignore" on their profile I do not see anything they post now.

If you go to their thread that I mentioned I make it quite clear why in one of my posts there. The one about Armed US Soldiers on American street or cities... something like that. Just check out the thread.

There is no such thing as a rational discussion w/a person or what ever they think they are like that... So I digress and lets get back to the topic. Cool?

:loco: :sick: :lalala: :drag:


Yea, I received a copy of that post, and I love it when people prove my point for me... Like I said, prepare for the worst, hope for the best... Have a way to protect yourself/family (Yes, guns/ammo), Communications ability (HAM Radio), have Silver/Gold to buy/barter for what you do not have, and have a minimum of 3 months of food/water for each family member on hand. See why I avoid circular debates with unstable (:der: :wacko2:) people? Do your own research and make up your own minds and prepare accordingly.
Do not be enticed or lead astray by those who think they have the market cornered on TRUTH.

Let them be stuck in their world of fear and certainty of being ushered into a FEMA camp... most likely they need to be ushered into a room w/padded walls. There is plenty of Food stored by people who are armed with defensive plans to protect it... they are the ones that will be just fine. The criminals who loot and steal are the ones that will have plenty of food and willing to sell it for gold/silver etc. Meanwhile our soldiers will be guarding the cabal criminals who are wondering how they ended up in the FEMA camps they designed for us... no explaining or argueing w/those that are convinced otherwise. I am in weekly contact with Active Duty soldiers w/clearance and positions to know a lot more than anyone here posting ideas that they put together adding A+B=C when A and B were info supplied by people either looking for site hits to sell books or good hearted people being fed BS from their sources sources... The Military Industrial Complex has evolved over the years knowing to be hidden in corporations is the only real place to be invisible... They have their paid generals in the high places in the military... but they have been identified by the patriots that serve but quietly gather their own intel.

These people continuously make my point for me... it was amuzing at first... now the BS umbrella is out... and they are pinching off some big ones.

[RedeZra]

it doesn't matter who is in the White House -- it's not a question of the USA vs Europe/Asia etc in terms of number of posts or anything else

sure it does

it matters to all of us


and when the war between east and west breaks out

it is good to know what team the commander in chief is on




it's the New WORLD Order -- at this time in history, my country is at the top of the heap [tho struggling to maintain this position] in terms of military power & presence thruout the world -- the NWO has to bring us down in part to have control of all USA assets, & in part because We the People are a threat because we still have guns


the NWO is not only about assets and guns

but against religions and divergent mindsets


communism is the scourge of the NWO

because it is godless

not affiliated with religions nor minds of their own


it doesn't matter if a Christian throws down his gun and surrender to communism

he must give up Christ

and then hell is next

[RedeZra]

There is one scenario that none of you are looking at. What better way to find out your enemy names address political back ground or who’s side one is on than this key board I’m typing on, dose he have guns? and how he feels in using them? Than start a thread on this subject and record and document were the key resistance is located world wide via the internet. What list have you inadvertently put name and address on to by voicing your outrage or opinion on a not so privet comfortable setting as your home or office under the name of complacency. The camera’s on street corners are kids play compared to the live, moment to moment sensors tied to your key board. And you have no clue that your number’s have already have been crunched and labeled. Alterative media, town hall awake in the know site’s like this are heavily watched and recorded. Now that you know its to late. You’ve put yourself and your family on a list you didn’t know existed. that’s what gossip dose in a high tech world your living in now. So in other words there are some topic’s you shouldn’t respond to. Stop feeding HLS.


we can't all be silent

somebody needs to speak up


luckily we are many and more when we speak

[GoodETxSG]

As much as it pains me I have to agree with the below statement... It’s not Left VS Right, Democraps VS Repukes etc... They are realllly all controlled by the same beast... they are just two heads of that same beast that has been a very effective tool in dividing us over BS so that we do not pay attention to what is going on behind us...

Posted by wynderer (here)
it doesn't matter who is in the White House -- it's not a question of the USA vs Europe/Asia etc in terms of number of posts or anything else

[GlassSteagallfan]

Original post is updated

[andrei]

it doesn't matter who is in the White House -- it's not a question of the USA vs Europe/Asia etc in terms of number of posts or anything else

sure it does

it matters to all of us


and when the war between east and west breaks out

it is good to know what team the commander in chief is on




it's the New WORLD Order -- at this time in history, my country is at the top of the heap [tho struggling to maintain this position] in terms of military power & presence thruout the world -- the NWO has to bring us down in part to have control of all USA assets, & in part because We the People are a threat because we still have guns


the NWO is not only about assets and guns

but against religions and divergent mindsets


communism is the scourge of the NWO

because it is godless

not affiliated with religions nor minds of their own


it doesn't matter if a Christian throws down his gun and surrender to communism

he must give up Christ

and then hell is next

if you want a government back by religion you should move to the middle east, see how good they`re doing over there. Communism or democracy have nothing to do with religion and no form of government should have anything to do with it. Religion should be something intimate, a link between man and his God, not something used for public image or for institutions paid with public money. In my country we had 50 years of communist dictatorship untill recently. Most of the priests were also informers for the secret communist police. The churches were full of hidden microphones so they can hear what people said during their confessions. Nobody gave up Christ, or whatever else they belived in, no matter how hard people were opressed during those times. Yet despite all of that, in the end, the communists had nothing to do with religion. Back home people still built mosques, orthodox and catholic churches and other places of worship without any significant problems, and this was under one of the worst communist dictatorships in 20th century Europe.
Do you really care about the religion (or lack of) of the people that rule a country ? Or you care more about HOW they rule that country ?
No country today is truly democratic and it is the duty of the people to unite and do something about it.
If we mix religion into all of this we actually make things worse because many will just wait for "divine intervention". Since the Christ story 99% of the christians just sit there waiting for someone else to come down and fix their problems without having to lift a finger.
Back home when people had enough of the communists, they went out in the streets and they captured or executed those responsible. The vast majority of the army did not fire on their own people. All those soldiers and officers had parents or relatives in the crowds.
If you do not like the direction in which the United States is going, know that you wont change much from your computer chair or sofa. I have many friends from USA and i must say they`re all decent folks that i enjoy talking to each time, and despite coming from different backgrounds, they all have one thing in common - all seem like good, honest patriots who love their country and would not hesitate to prove it given the chance.
I have no doubt that if people go out in the streets, the cops and the army will side with them. Its the agencies i`d be more worried about.
Sorry for my english and i wish you guys all the best.