Distilled water for health and awakening...

[Connecting with Sauce]

Worth a watch/listen...

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[RunningDeer]

I'm brewing my first batch of distilled water, now. All because of Andrew Norton Webber.

I took some notes from the Lisa Harrison's YouTube with Andrew Norton Webber (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_msWtSljFQw). For anyone interested, I'll share them if you promises not to hold me to the rules of grammar and such.

Andrew Norton Webber - “The Water’s of Life: the Literal Fountain of Youth”.

The Water of Life will reveal the hidden senses. (higher states of consciousness) WATER IS THE CARRIER OF LIFE/LIGHT

Water won’t let inorganic matter settle in these “machines” (body) because it is magnetically attracted to it. The simple mechanics of water is that it’s negatively charged molecules. And every single garbage, dirt, debris, parasites, pathogens, that are not suppose to be in your body have a positive electrical charge to them. And we all know that in the electrical world that opposite attract. So with that river going through you, it stays in solution - it can’t settle. (joints, muscles...)

These are the original cleaning instructions for the human body: fruit juices, distilled water, urine, or precipitation such as rain water. We are gray and ashen because we are full of junk. Distilled water is the answer for prevention and removal because it’s magnetically attracted to all garbage.

Distilled water completely cleans out the body and removes the cause of all health problems. Pure water is 0 parts per million = distilled water. The crux of the whole issue is are they organic or inorganic minerals? Only inorganic minerals that are conductive or harmful to electricity, therefore the goal is 0 parts per million.

All I’m really offering is the original cleaning instructions for the human body. Doctors focus on removing symptoms and not removing the cause of the symptoms. That’s all distilled water does - it focuses on removing the cause magnetically attracted to all garbage.


Dr. Handley -http://drhandley.com/articles.html

As our body begins to age, there are several things that happen:
- cells don't produce as well
- body doesn't digest as well
- body does not absorb as well
- body does not eliminate as well
- areas of the body begin to feel pain and have sore spots

One of the major causes of pain is the over consumption of grain in older people. It is softer, easier to eat and appears to be more easily digested. Well the true reality is that it is no benefit to the aging body at all and leaves an acidic residue that gets deposited in the joints which is the number one reason for arthritic pain.

"…distilled water does not take a single thing out of the body that the body needs. It never takes anything out of a cell. Everything that is cellularly locked remains within the body, but it is the greatest tool in the world for cleaning out the bloodstream, which is the only function water really has...to wash out, cleanse and purify the bloodstream..

I cannot emphasize enough the importance of drinking distilled water for cleansing the blood stream, for reducing arthritic pain and lowering blood pressure. It has also been known to reduce cholesterol and triglycerides. In fact, the only effect on the body is health.

Distilled water has been evaporated into a vapor, split apart into a molecule of hydrogen and oxygen, turning them into a gas that rises up in to the atmosphere, then cooled back down and condensed back in to water. The same process happens in a distillery when it distills water. It heats up the water in to a gas, all the impurities are left behind, all the waste products are left behind, then it is condensed and turned back into pure water and becomes the ultimate pure water because of one very important factor that is not present in any other water...it is molecularly unstable. It means that when it goes in your bloodstream it breaks apart easier and latches on to debris, waste products and unwanted materials that are floating around in your bloodstream."

As people quit drinking rainwater, cardiovascular diseases went up. When the blood vascular system is clean you have less headaches, you have less pain, you have more oxygen and nutrients available for the body and more healing capacity for the body.

It has been almost twenty years ago, his pain was excruciating. We put him on the detoxification program, took him off of all grain in his diet, instructed him to eat only fruit, vegetables, protein and meat products, and put him on distilled water every half hour while he was awake. It is hard to believe a month later this same man was out working in his garden having the time of his life.

There are rules of thumb on how much water to drink. The rule of thumb on a normal day is one half your body weight in ounces per day. If you are sweating and exerting yourself you should drink more. We have a tendency to grab pop, coffee, Kool-Aid and juices, but we need to get back to the habit of grabbing distilled water.

WhiteCrowBlackDeer

[NancyV]

I've been drinking distilled water on and off for many years starting about 30 years ago. A while back I became more convinced that distilled water is potentially quite harmful. I didn't get around to buying the type of water filter I really want but will HAVE to order it this week. Today my water distiller broke! While trying to fix it I made it MUCH worse to the point of being irreparable. LOL... It was probably a big favor since it's forcing me to finally buy a good water filter. I've been a proponent of distilled water for so long it's been a bit difficult for me to say "I think I was wrong." But I do like to laugh at myself so it's ok.

After extensive research I'm going to buy a Berkey water filter:
http://www.directive21.com/big-berkey-water-filters.html

One of the best books I've read about water is "The Hidden Messages in Water" by Masaru Emoto. His opinion and several other opinions of distilled water are in this article:

Drinking Distilled Water - Is It Healthy or Not?
http://www.waterbenefitshealth.com/drinking-distilled-water.html


Japanese researcher, Dr. Masaru Emoto, showed how distillation destroys the natural crystalline structure of water in his numerous studies.

When the innate structure of water is destroyed it makes the water essentially useless to the body. Thus, the Japanese scientists refer to distilled water as “dead water.
Here is an article from Dr. Mercola's website that addresses the potential dangers of distilled water:

Early Death Comes From Drinking Distilled Water
http://www.mercola.com/article/water/distilled_water.htm

During nearly 19 years of clinical practice I have had the opportunity to observe the health effects of drinking different types of water. Most of you would agree that drinking unfiltered tap water could be hazardous to your health because of things like

parasites
chlorine
fluoride
dioxins
Many health fanatics, however, are often surprised to hear me say that drinking distilled water on a regular, daily basis is potentially dangerous.

Paavo Airola wrote about the dangers of distilled water in the 1970's when it first became a fad with the health food crowd.

Distillation is the process in which water is boiled, evaporated and the vapour condensed. Distilled water is free of dissolved minerals and, because of this, has the special property of being able to actively absorb toxic substances from the body and eliminate them. Studies validate the benefits of drinking distilled water when one is seeking to cleanse or detoxify the system for short periods of time (a few weeks at a time).

Fasting using distilled water can be dangerous because of the rapid loss of electrolytes (sodium, potassium, chloride) and trace minerals like magnesium, deficiencies of which can cause heart beat irregularities and high blood pressure. Cooking foods in distilled water pulls the minerals out of them and lowers their nutrient value.

Distilled water is an active absorber and when it comes into contact with air, it absorbs carbon dioxide, making it acidic. The more distilled water a person drinks, the higher the body acidity becomes.

According to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, "Distilled water, being essentially mineral-free, is very aggressive, in that it tends to dissolve substances with which it is in contact. Notably, carbon dioxide from the air is rapidly absorbed, making the water acidic and even more aggressive. Many metals are dissolved by distilled water."

The most toxic commercial beverages that people consume (i.e. cola beverages and other soft drinks) are made from distilled water. Studies have consistently shown that heavy consumers of soft drinks (with or without sugar) spill huge amounts of calcium, magnesium and other trace minerals into the urine.

The more mineral loss, the greater the risk for osteoporosis, osteoarthritis, hypothyroidism, coronary artery disease, high blood pressure and a long list of degenerative diseases generally associated with premature aging.

A growing number of health care practitioners and scientists from around the world have been advocating the theory that aging and disease is the direct result of the accumulation of acid waste products in the body.

There is a great deal of scientific documentation that supports such a theory. A poor diet may be partially to blame for the waste accumulation.

These and other junk foods can cause the body to become more acidic:

meats
sugar
alcohol
fried foods
soft drinks
processed foods
white flour products
dairy products
Stress, whether mental or physical can lead to acid deposits in the body.

There is a correlation between the consumption of soft water (distilled water is extremely soft) and the incidence of cardiovascular disease. Cells, tissues and organs do not like to be dipped in acid and will do anything to buffer this acidity including the removal of minerals from the skeleton and the manufacture of bicarbonate in the blood.

The longer one drinks distilled water, the more likely the development of mineral deficiencies and an acid state.

I have done well over 3000 mineral evaluations using a combination of blood, urine and hair tests in my practice. Almost without exception, people who consume distilled water exclusively, eventually develop multiple mineral deficiencies.

Those who supplement their distilled water intake with trace minerals are not as deficient but still not as adequately nourished in minerals as their non-distilled water drinking counterparts even after several years of mineral supplementation.

The ideal water for the human body should be slightly alkaline and this requires the presence of minerals like

calcium
magnesium
Distilled water tends to be acidic and can only be recommended as a way of drawing poisons out of the body. Once this is accomplished, the continued drinking of distilled water is a bad idea.

Water filtered through reverse osmosis tends to be neutral and is acceptable for regular use provided minerals are supplemented.

Water filtered through a solid charcoal filter is slightly alkaline. Ozonation of this charcoal filtered water is ideal for daily drinking. Longevity is associated with the regular consumption of hard water (high in minerals). Disease and early death is more likely to be seen with the long term drinking of distilled water.

Avoid it except in special circumstances.

[Debra]

Yes, Andrew Norton Webber said that Dr Mercola´s article - in his interview with Lisa M Harrison - has unfortunately done a lot to invalidate the benefits of distilled water .. because of his high profile.

But, Webber's substance in this field has convinced me. I am seriously on the distilled journey now .. and feel the effects after only 10 days. It is truly remarkable.

I am interested to now invest in a distller .. I have always had water filters but not a distillation unit. So, please share any more suggestions on that, I would be grateful.

Zebra

p.s. if you have not see this documentary .. it is a must :)

GlWboI_0obk

[nearing]

I have been drinking my own distilled water for a decade now. It's wonderful.

Mercola gets most things right but he he is dead wrong on this. Pure H2O doesn't do the body ANY harm, on th contrary, it is what th body craves.

[transiten]

I'm drinking KangenWater from Enagics machine SD501. It produces filtered, ionized and microclustered but NOT distilled water. My distributor Monica Leal referring to her own "sickness/health-story" recommends to NOT drink distilled water. Now i caught Lymedisease in late summer but just had the diagnose some days ago so the tremendous healthbenefits i had since i started to drink KangenWater in feb. 2010 are gone but it might had been worse had i not been drinking it.

[Arrowwind]

I wont drink distilled water either.
Face it. Humanity did not evolve by catching rain drops.
They drank off of springs, creeks, rivers and lakes.
None of that is distilled.
But highly energized from playing with the earth mother.

Look into Photonic water.

[NancyV]

Yes, Andrew Norton Webber said that Dr Mercola´s article - in his interview with Lisa M Harrison - has unfortunately done a lot to invalidate the benefits of distilled water .. because of his high profile.

But, Webber's substance in this field has convinced me. I am seriously on the distilled journey now .. and feel the effects after only 10 days. It is truly remarkable.

I am interested to now invest in a distller .. I have always had water filters but not a distillation unit. So, please share any more suggestions on that, I would be grateful.

Zebra

p.s. if you have not see this documentary .. it is a must :)
You might look on Ebay as there are lots of distillers at good prices. The distiller I have that just broke is a Waterwise 9000. It was really great for the last 10-12 years.
This is the one I had: http://www.waterwise.com/productcart/pc/9000.asp
The price is $399. I just looked on Ebay and there are a couple for about $250, same distiller: http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p5197.m570.l1313&_nkw=waterwise+distiller&_sacat=See-All-Categories

If you want a larger distiller the Midi distiller by Pure Water Inc. is an excellent one. I still have one I purchased at least 25 years ago which has a 3 gallon storage tank and is all stainless steel. It cost around $1700. We used it for many years. It still works but I'm going to go ahead and try the Berkey Filter. One thing I like about the Berkey is that it uses no electricity - just gravity - and it can even purify dirty lake or river water. It would be great in any kind of situation where electric is not available.....like post apocalyptic! LOL...

I'm not positive now if distilled is good, bad or what. As I said, I was convinced for years and I researched it for many years. A lot of us who were heavily into raw food diets, fasting, juice diets and heavy cleansing in the 80's and 90's were totally sold on distilled water. Now the arguments on both sides seem equally convincing but I am leaning towards Dr. Mercola's arguments. I guess it's just a matter of going with what seems good to you at the moment, like anything.

I had an Enagic and drank Kangen water for a year then decided to get rid of it last year and went back to distilling. I really didn't notice any changes at all with drinking Kangen water. Now I'll try the filtered water and if I don't ultimately like that I can always go back to using my big Midi distiller or buy another small one. Really good pure spring water may be the most healthy water of all.

[Arrowwind]

Photonic Water as promoted by our good friend Adam Abraham in the video on this site
http://www.photonicwater.com/

[ThePythonicCow]

The water in the body requires fairly constant levels of various electrolytes, such as the right forms of sodium,, potassium, calsium, magnesium and sulfur. If you drink water with too high a concentration of one of these, your body will use it's existing water stores to dilute it. That's why you don't want to drink sea water if you're lost at sea. If you drink water with too low concentrations of one of these, you body will pull the needed mineral from whatever stores it has, such as your bones, in order to bring the level up to what it requires.

Drinking distilled water should be OK, I figure, so long as one consumes in some other way these needed electrolytes in sufficient quantity to keep your body well supplied.

A home distiller will not remove volatile compounds that turn to gas (boil) along with the water. These compounds will be trapped by the condenser in the distiller and included in the output water. That's one of the reasons that home distillers include carbon filters as well. Nature's distiller (evaporation, clouds and rain) doesn't trap volatile compounds, so that's not a problem there.

Personally I have several stages of water filtering. My water supply is city water with chlorine, flouride, and lord knows what else in it. My drinking water goes through four main stages:

A whole house filter, which looks like a second hot water heater, containing perhaps 50 pounds of an activated filter material that pulls out the chlorine. It is good to remove the chlorine from one's shower/bath water as well as from one's drinking water.
An under the sink reverse osmosis filter, which removes most, not all, of the dissolved solids including most of the flourides. It has carbon pre and post filters, which remove any remaining volatile compounds that made it through the whole house filter.
A counter top distiller which removes the remaining solids and flouride.
Remineralize the water with a splash of Willard's Water and a pinch of Celtic Sea Salt.

There may be benefits to properly structured water ... but I haven't become aware of them yet :).

[transiten]

Yes, Andrew Norton Webber said that Dr Mercola´s article - in his interview with Lisa M Harrison - has unfortunately done a lot to invalidate the benefits of distilled water .. because of his high profile.

But, Webber's substance in this field has convinced me. I am seriously on the distilled journey now .. and feel the effects after only 10 days. It is truly remarkable.

I am interested to now invest in a distller .. I have always had water filters but not a distillation unit. So, please share any more suggestions on that, I would be grateful.

Zebra

p.s. if you have not see this documentary .. it is a must :)
You might look on Ebay as there are lots of distillers at good prices. The distiller I have that just broke is a Waterwise 9000. It was really great for the last 10-12 years.
This is the one I had: http://www.waterwise.com/productcart/pc/9000.asp
The price is $399. I just looked on Ebay and there are a couple for about $250, same distiller: http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p5197.m570.l1313&_nkw=waterwise+distiller&_sacat=See-All-Categories

If you want a larger distiller the Midi distiller by Pure Water Inc. is an excellent one. I still have one I purchased at least 25 years ago which has a 3 gallon storage tank and is all stainless steel. It cost around $1700. We used it for many years. It still works but I'm going to go ahead and try the Berkey Filter. One thing I like about the Berkey is that it uses no electricity - just gravity - and it can even purify dirty lake or river water. It would be great in any kind of situation where electric is not available.....like post apocalyptic! LOL...

I'm not positive now if distilled is good, bad or what. As I said, I was convinced for years and I researched it for many years. A lot of us who were heavily into raw food diets, fasting, juice diets and heavy cleansing in the 80's and 90's were totally sold on distilled water. Now the arguments on both sides seem equally convincing but I am leaning towards Dr. Mercola's arguments. I guess it's just a matter of going with what seems good to you at the moment, like anything.

I had an Enagic and drank Kangen water for a year then decided to get rid of it last year and went back to distilling. I really didn't notice any changes at all with drinking Kangen water. Now I'll try the filtered water and if I don't ultimately like that I can always go back to using my big Midi distiller or buy another small one. Really good pure spring water may be the most healthy water of all.

Nancy that's interesting! You didn't have ANY benefits from drinking KangenWater? Are you sure the machine is from Enagic and not a copy??? There are many out there on the market that say they can produce the same water for half the prize and that's simply not true.

As for me i got rid of my tendency to constipation and was amazed every time i went TLOO. I also lost 5kg in 2 months (but i wasn't overwight to begin with) and a lot of cellulites since i suddenly had tons of energy and felt i had not been as vital since i was 25 (I was 60 when i started) Perhaps you are a very healthy person from the beginning? And all these testimonies from pple drinking this water....should it only be lies??? I don't get it....

[Carmen]

Healthy mature water is alive and full of minerals. Distilled water will pull minerals from the human body to grow itself, therefore leaching a body of minerals if this is the only water ingested! A very dangerous practice. Read Victor Schelbergers (sorry spelling)" Living Energies" to learn of the properties of water.

[meeradas]

There may be benefits to properly structured water ... but I haven't become aware of them yet :).

? as in naturally flowing water in a brook?

[modwiz]

The water in the body requires fairly constant levels of various electrolytes, such as the right forms of sodium,, potassium, calsium, magnesium and sulfur. If you drink water with too high a concentration of one of these, your body will use it's existing water stores to dilute it. That's why you don't want to drink sea water if you're lost at sea. If you drink water with too low concentrations of one of these, you body will pull the needed mineral from whatever stores it has, such as your bones, in order to bring the level up to what it requires.

Drinking distilled water should be OK, I figure, so long as one consumes in some other way these needed electrolytes in sufficient quantity to keep your body well supplied.

A home distiller will not remove volatile compounds that turn to gas (boil) along with the water. These compounds will be trapped by the condenser in the distiller and included in the output water. That's one of the reasons that home distillers include carbon filters as well. Nature's distiller (evaporation, clouds and rain) doesn't trap volatile compounds, so that's not a problem there.

Personally I have several stages of water filtering. My water supply is city water with chlorine, flouride, and lord knows what else in it. My drinking water goes through four main stages:

A whole house filter, which looks like a second hot water heater, containing perhaps 50 pounds of an activated filter material that pulls out the chlorine. It is good to remove the chlorine from one's shower/bath water as well as from one's drinking water.
An under the sink reverse osmosis filter, which removes most, not all, of the dissolved solids including most of the flourides. It has carbon pre and post filters, which remove any remaining volatile compounds that made it through the whole house filter.
A counter top distiller which removes the remaining solids and flouride.
Remineralize the water with a splash of Willard's Water and a pinch of Celtic Sea Salt.

There may be benefits to properly structured water ... but I haven't become aware of them yet :).

It is my understanding, after reading a fair amount about Willard's water, that one of the big benefits of WW is that it structures it. It has been 20 years since reading it, but that is my recall.

[transiten]

There may be benefits to properly structured water ... but I haven't become aware of them yet :).

? as in naturally flowing water in a brook?

Exactly meerads. The thing is that when water comes to "civilization" it's natural hexagonal structure is destroyed and becomes pentagonal and cannot carry as much oxygen. Also the molecules cling together and do not penetrate the cells as effective for cleansing of toxins and leverage of nutritions. As we are all "acid" from environmentral pollution, from what we eat and stress we need high level ionized water.

The SD501 KangenWatermachine restructures the hexagonal structure, reduces the grouping of molecules to 3-4 and ionozes the water. There's also a highgrade filter that removes whatever shouldn't be there.

[wynderer]

all of the planet's water is becoming quite radioactive -- water moves around a lot, in clouds & rain etc

[Heyoka_11]

Healthy mature water is alive and full of minerals. Distilled water will pull minerals from the human body to grow itself, therefore leaching a body of minerals if this is the only water ingested! A very dangerous practice. Read Victor Schelbergers (sorry spelling)" Living Energies" to learn of the properties of water.

After decades spent studying this subject, I implore all of you to take Carmen's advice. You will do nothing but leach minerals from your bones by consuming distilled water. It is not natural! How does raging osteoporosis sound; or perhaps kidney stones?

To the best of my knowledge, all commercially available soft drinks and beers are made with distilled water, so consume them at your (informed) peril, unless you supplement to offset the drain on your bodies natural balance.

[WhiteFeather]

Interesting, 2 Different Perspectives on Distilled Water. Gonna weigh this one out. I have heard of The Kangen Water Machine..... they say that water is very healthy to consume. Not to sure about Distilled water. Worth a research here though. Good topic.

[modwiz]

I think most soft drinks use triple filtered water. Distilling would be a costlier method for production. An accounting and maximizing profits, no-no.

16226
Ingredients: Purified carbonated water, cane sugar, vanilla extract, natural caramel, natural flavors, stevia rebaudiana leaf extract.

Not exactly your average soft drink! :thumb:

[transiten]

Interesting, 2 Different Perspectives on Distilled Water. Gonna weigh this one out. I have heard of The Kangen Water Machine..... they say that water is very healthy to consume. Not to sure about Distilled water. Worth a research here though. Good topic.

Kangen means "back to the source"/"origin" in Japanese.

[nearing]

Healthy mature water is alive and full of minerals. Distilled water will pull minerals from the human body to grow itself, therefore leaching a body of minerals if this is the only water ingested! A very dangerous practice. Read Victor Schelbergers (sorry spelling)" Living Energies" to learn of the properties of water.

After decades spent studying this subject, I implore all of you to take Carmen's advice. You will do nothing but leach minerals from your bones by consuming distilled water. It is not natural! How does raging osteoporosis sound; or perhaps kidney stones?

To the best of my knowledge, all commercially available soft drinks and beers are made with distilled water, so consume them at your (informed) peril, unless you supplement to offset the drain on your bodies natural balance.

If you eat a truly healthy diet (and/or supplement), you get your minerals from food. Pure H2O is a good thing. We can debate the 'energies' but distilled water is like rain water and if we didn't have chemtrails and Fukushima radiation our rain water would be a perfect drink.

[RunningDeer]

Yes, Andrew Norton Webber said that Dr Mercola´s article - in his interview with Lisa M Harrison - has unfortunately done a lot to invalidate the benefits of distilled water .. because of his high profile.

But, Webber's substance in this field has convinced me. I am seriously on the distilled journey now .. and feel the effects after only 10 days. It is truly remarkable.

I am interested to now invest in a distller .. I have always had water filters but not a distillation unit. So, please share any more suggestions on that, I would be grateful.

Zebra

p.s. if you have not see this documentary .. it is a must :)

Hi Zebra,

I have you to thank for posting the Andrew Norton Webber vid- “The Water’s of Life: the Literal Fountain of Youth” (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_msWtSljFQw).

I've posted this in another place, too. My #1 goal is to decalcifying the pineal gland and higher state of consciousness. So I'm up for intense short term gain. Cuz, my plan is to not spend eternity in 3D. "I am soooo over 3D." "Beam me up, Scotty."

In the vid, it's explained much better than I can ever about the science. Bottom line? It just seemed right for me. I'll know if and when to stop. I say, "Or, why not both?" I use artesian well water, Britta filters, and then I have a water bottle that has a Berkey filter in it. Win-Win. But for now, the focus is on distilled. I'd suggest to wait to purchase machine. See if you stay with it. I purchased the machine for several reasons: I don't want to run to the store and lug the bottles, the cost commitment of the machine curtails laziness, and I don't like the plastic bottles from the store, so I use quart size Ball jars.

As for the lack of minerals in water, I mentioned the macrobiotic lifestyle and foods. I also do Tai Chi, that exercise enhances bone density and all the other benefits that enhance all systems in the body. So, for me it is more important to eliminate what the dark forces have added to water, soil, and air. And as strange as this sounds, I have always believed that this body comes back to center. It may take a bit depending on what I'm putting it through, but it obeys in the end. For me, the mind is a driver that takes it's instruction from the "Totality of Paula" and not the other way around.

Lastly... as you mentioned, Zebra, in the vid, they discuss how there’s really one damaging article that circulates in the different platforms. My leap in thought, too - all to curtail the hidden truth: “WATER IS THE CARRIER OF LIFE/LIGHT” and “The Water’s of Life: the Literal Fountain of Youth”. And from what we all know, that’s entirely possible. So, it’s my way of saying to the dark forces, “Hell no!”

I agree, Zebra. Carve out some the time to watch. I did three times. I agree also that all sides need to be considered. I would not want to harm anyone with misinformation. I like the disclaimer that everyone make their own decisions for their unique body type and life purpose.

WhiteCrowBlackDeer

[Alie]

Yes, Andrew Norton Webber said that Dr Mercola´s article - in his interview with Lisa M Harrison - has unfortunately done a lot to invalidate the benefits of distilled water .. because of his high profile.

But, Webber's substance in this field has convinced me. I am seriously on the distilled journey now .. and feel the effects after only 10 days. It is truly remarkable.

I am interested to now invest in a distller .. I have always had water filters but not a distillation unit. So, please share any more suggestions on that, I would be grateful.

Zebra

p.s. if you have not see this documentary .. it is a must :)

Hi Zebra,

I have you to thank for posting the Andrew Norton Webber vid- “The Water’s of Life: the Literal Fountain of Youth” (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_msWtSljFQw).

I've posted this in another place, too. My #1 goal is to decalcifying the pineal gland and higher state of consciousness. So I'm up for intense short term gain. Cuz, my plan is to not spend eternity in 3D. "I am soooo over 3D." "Beam me up, Scotty."

In the vid, it's explained much better than I can ever about the science. Bottom line? It just seemed right for me. I'll know if and when to stop. I say, "Or, why not both?" I use artesian well water, Britta filters, and then I have a water bottle that has a Berkey filter in it. Win-Win. But for now, the focus is on distilled. I'd suggest to wait to purchase machine. See if you stay with it.

As for the lack of minerals in water, I mentioned the macrobiotic lifestyle and foods. I also do Tai Chi, that exercise enhances bone density. So, for me it is more important to eliminate what the dark forces have added to water, soil, and air. And as strange as this sounds, I have always believed that this body comes back to center. It may take a bit depending on what I'm putting it through, but it obeys in the end. For me, the mind is a driver that takes it's instruction from the "Totality of Paula" and not the other way around.

Lastly... as you mentioned, Zebra, in the vid, they discuss how there’s really one damaging article that circulates in the different platforms. My leap in thought, too - all to curtail the hidden truth: “WATER IS THE CARRIER OF LIFE/LIGHT” and “The Water’s of Life: the Literal Fountain of Youth”. And from what we all know, that’s entirely possible. So, it’s my way of saying to the dark forces, “Hell no!”

I agree, Zebra. Carve out some the time to watch. I did three times. I agree also that all sides need to be considered. I would not want to harm anyone with misinformation. I like the disclaimer that everyone make their own decisions for their uniques body type and life purpose.

WhiteCrowBlackDeer

What's interesting .... (like eggs were bad and now they're good) is that I always believed distilled water was "dead" water and bad for you. More shifting for me :)

[fathertedsmate]

allow Victor scauberger to teach you about water

[modwiz]

allow Victor scauberger to teach you about water

That is why he came to this planet. He is the Water Wizard.

[13th Warrior]

Healthy mature water is alive and full of minerals. Distilled water will pull minerals from the human body to grow itself, therefore leaching a body of minerals if this is the only water ingested! A very dangerous practice. Read Victor Schelbergers (sorry spelling)" Living Energies" to learn of the properties of water.

After decades spent studying this subject, I implore all of you to take Carmen's advice. You will do nothing but leach minerals from your bones by consuming distilled water. It is not natural! How does raging osteoporosis sound; or perhaps kidney stones?

To the best of my knowledge, all commercially available soft drinks and beers are made with distilled water, so consume them at your (informed) peril, unless you supplement to offset the drain on your bodies natural balance.

If you eat a truly healthy diet (and/or supplement), you get your minerals from food. Pure H2O is a good thing. We can debate the 'energies' but distilled water is like rain water and if we didn't have chemtrails and Fukushima radiation our rain water would be a perfect drink.

Water distilled(boiled/condensed vapor) is not the same as rain water (evaporated/ condensed vapor).

[nearing]

Water distilled(boiled/condensed vapor) is not the same as rain water (evaporated/ condensed vapor).

Slightly different process, same end result. They are both a type of vaporization = turning water into vapor. The vapor is then re-liquified and we drink it.

[13th Warrior]

Water distilled(boiled/condensed vapor) is not the same as rain water (evaporated/ condensed vapor).

Slightly different process, same end result. They are both a type of vaporization = turning water into vapor. The vapor is then re-liquified and we drink it.

I disagree about same end result...

Do you believe that cooked food is different than raw?

Wouldn't boiled water be different than raw water?

You loose waters subtle energy when you boil it.

[nearing]

Water distilled(boiled/condensed vapor) is not the same as rain water (evaporated/ condensed vapor).

Slightly different process, same end result. They are both a type of vaporization = turning water into vapor. The vapor is then re-liquified and we drink it.

I disagree about same end result...

Do you believe that cooked food is different than raw?

Wouldn't boiled water be different than raw water?

You loose waters subtle energy when you boil it.

Like I said before, we could argue the energies...

But that being said, I don't see how you can compare veggies being boiled to water being boiled when one is organic (contains carbon) and the other does not.

H2O is H2O regardless of state (Ice, vapor, liquid, etc). We just happen to mostly like the liquid state for ingestion and it incorporates nicely into our bodies that way. ;-)

And back on the subtle energy topic: if Dr. Emoto is correct, water in any state can be imbued with subtle energy just by talking to it! So boiling it doesn't need to harm it in any way, but it DOES remove the impurities. Which is why I distill my drinking water.

[13th Warrior]

Like I said before, we could argue the energies...

Do as you will i'll not argue.


And back on the subtle energy topic: if Dr. Emoto is correct, water in any state can be imbued with subtle energy just by talking to it! So boiling it doesn't need to harm it in any way, but it DOES remove the impurities. Which is why I distill my drinking water.

Dr. Emoto has stated in his book"The Hidden Messages in Water" that city water is so corrupted that it cannot be healed...



"Be water, my friend" - Bruce Lee

[nearing]

Like I said before, we could argue the energies...

Do as you will i'll not argue.


And back on the subtle energy topic: if Dr. Emoto is correct, water in any state can be imbued with subtle energy just by talking to it! So boiling it doesn't need to harm it in any way, but it DOES remove the impurities. Which is why I distill my drinking water.

Dr. Emoto has stated in his book"The Hidden Messages in Water" that city water is so corrupted that it cannot be healed...



"Be water, my friend" - Bruce Lee

Dr. Emoto cannot generalize over the entire world. He may have seen water that was corrupt, but that doesn't mean it all is. And since the hydrologic cycle (including vaporization) is a way of regenerating and cleansing all water in the world, I would have to disagree with him.

And, it seems we are arguing the energies since it takes 2 to tango. ;)

[Olam]

Water has memory. It used to have minerals and now that its distilled it does not.
So when it comes in contact with your body's minerals, it leaches them out to remineralize.
Not good if you ask me.

[dddanieljjjamesss]

Everyone is missing the point that this really gets down to is the Water and how it is processed by YOUR BODY.

Forget the water distiller.

Stop eating the junk in the food.

Get as pure as you can with your diet.

Drink your pee.


Edit:

Also, if we can bridge the gaps, one might consider Distilling their water first, and then re-structuring it with any number of commercially available products like Dan Winter's Imploder, or make your own like Jason Verbelli has:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYNYxQ7m1Vc



ANYWAY

To get back to the GROSSLY missed point, it's the urine you should be after.

[NancyV]

Nancy that's interesting! You didn't have ANY benefits from drinking KangenWater? Are you sure the machine is from Enagic and not a copy??? There are many out there on the market that say they can produce the same water for half the prize and that's simply not true.

As for me i got rid of my tendency to constipation and was amazed every time i went TLOO. I also lost 5kg in 2 months (but i wasn't overwight to begin with) and a lot of cellulites since i suddenly had tons of energy and felt i had not been as vital since i was 25 (I was 60 when i started) Perhaps you are a very healthy person from the beginning? And all these testimonies from pple drinking this water....should it only be lies??? I don't get it....
It was definitely an Enagic and quite expensive. I had been watching every video on youtube and reading about the Enagic for several months before buying one. I WANTED it to have great effects but since I've experimented with so many different machines of all types over many decades I've learned to be honest with myself about placebo effects. Of course I LOVE placebo effects since it means your mind is powerful enough to accomplish whatever you think a substance, a machine, a chant, spell, type of meditation, etc. is doing.....and that's good.

My husband drank a LOT of the water also for about 3 months. He noticed no improvement in his many painful conditions. I also noticed nothing. He and I react almost exactly the same to most things, including being allergic to many of the same things.

I didn't want to admit that I got none of the miraculous benefits from the enagic kangen water which many others received, but I thought a year of drinking excessive amounts was enough of a trial to test it. So I sold it on Ebay and went on to my next experiment. I'm happy for the people who get benefits from it but there is a lot of info on the Internet which warns about the dangers of kangen water. I like to read all the pros and cons and then make a decision and take my chances. As with anything some get positive results, some get negative results and some get no results. I'm happy that you're experiencing good results, transiten!

[dddanieljjjamesss]

Or, better yet, buy a JUICER!

That way you won't have to forego mineral content for the distilled water(S!!!) that Andrew is focusing on, which is not necessarily just Water distilled by a distiller!

Hasn't anyone seen "Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead"?

[nearing]

Or, better yet, buy a JUICER!

That way you won't have to forego mineral content for the distilled water(S!!!) that Andrew is focusing on, which is not necessarily just Water distilled by a distiller!

Hasn't anyone seen "Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead"?

You wouldn't want to drink juice (even organic, fresh made) in the amounts you should be drinking pure water. Juice is good for a meal or with a meal but if you are not VERY caful with what veggies and fruits you use, it can be VERY high in sugar.

And yes, I saw the movie and many many more about nutrition. I think you can safely assume that the majority of people who frequent this forum don't eat a lot of junk food to begin with. But the juice fast is good for a short time for people who eat the SAD diet and are unhealthy because of it.

[transiten]

Nancy that's interesting! You didn't have ANY benefits from drinking KangenWater? Are you sure the machine is from Enagic and not a copy??? There are many out there on the market that say they can produce the same water for half the prize and that's simply not true.

As for me i got rid of my tendency to constipation and was amazed every time i went TLOO. I also lost 5kg in 2 months (but i wasn't overwight to begin with) and a lot of cellulites since i suddenly had tons of energy and felt i had not been as vital since i was 25 (I was 60 when i started) Perhaps you are a very healthy person from the beginning? And all these testimonies from pple drinking this water....should it only be lies??? I don't get it....
It was definitely an Enagic and quite expensive. I had been watching every video on youtube and reading about the Enagic for several months before buying one. I WANTED it to have great effects but since I've experimented with so many different machines of all types over many decades I've learned to be honest with myself about placebo effects. Of course I LOVE placebo effects since it means your mind is powerful enough to accomplish whatever you think a substance, a machine, a chant, spell, type of meditation, etc. is doing.....and that's good.

My husband drank a LOT of the water also for about 3 months. He noticed no improvement in his many painful conditions. I also noticed nothing. He and I react almost exactly the same to most things, including being allergic to many of the same things.

I didn't want to admit that I got none of the miraculous benefits from the enagic kangen water which many others received, but I thought a year of drinking excessive amounts was enough of a trial to test it. So I sold it on Ebay and went on to my next experiment. I'm happy for the people who get benefits from it but there is a lot of info on the Internet which warns about the dangers of kangen water. I like to read all the pros and cons and then make a decision and take my chances. As with anything some get positive results, some get negative results and some get no results. I'm happy that you're experiencing good results, transiten!

NancyV Thanks a lot!

That was a healthy and honest perspective. I can say i was also very questionning in the beginning and sent tons of e-mails to my distributor. I also have had some other "problems" with the whole thing but i don't want to go into details. I would appreciate though if you would send me some links to the information about the negative effects of drinking KangenWater. I know that if you have kidney problems you must not drink as much.

[dddanieljjjamesss]

Or, better yet, buy a JUICER!

That way you won't have to forego mineral content for the distilled water(S!!!) that Andrew is focusing on, which is not necessarily just Water distilled by a distiller!

Hasn't anyone seen "Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead"?

You wouldn't want to drink juice (even organic, fresh made) in the amounts you should be drinking pure water. Juice is good for a meal or with a meal but if you are not VERY caful with what veggies and fruits you use, it can be VERY high in sugar.

And yes, I saw the movie and many many more about nutrition. I think you can safely assume that the majority of people who frequent this forum don't eat a lot of junk food to begin with. But the juice fast is good for a short time for people who eat the SAD diet and are unhealthy because of it.

It's truly best just to eat the fruit itself, plain and unadulterated :)
Simple solutions are the best.

[nearing]

It's truly best just to eat the fruit itself, plain and unadulterated :)
Simple solutions are the best.

I couldn't agree more! Whole foods are best.

[Olam]

I think this video is appropriate for this thread. David Wolf showing his homemade ormus accumulator-extractor from spring water.
I been wanting to try this now for a while.
Not too complicated to set-up, but it definetly needs "a few hours" of investment.
I think this is right in line with the egyptians taking white powder gold....

Jh_bVWcBPcY


edit: I just noticed the video is only partial and you need to pay to see the rest on his website. Sorry for that. I have the original video he was talking about but no youtube account.
I got the video 2 years ago from Fred Bell's website.
Not sure if that is still available since Mr Bell has passed.
http://www.raysoftruth.tv/
RIP Fred Bell.

[meat suit]

I wont drink distilled water either.
Face it. Humanity did not evolve by catching rain drops.
They drank off of springs, creeks, rivers and lakes.
None of that is distilled.
But highly energized from playing with the earth mother.

Look into Photonic water.

actually all water on the planet would have gone thru various distillations via solar driven evaporation into the atmosphere and subsequent re-mineralisation on rejoining sea,rivers,land.
so, duplicating this process with the aim to exclude toxins should be a good thing...

[RunningDeer]

Hi Zebra, this vid, "W The Great Mystery" was inspiring. Thanks!

You asked about distilled water machines. I order one from Amazon.com on May 8th and it arrived May 9th in the evening. The total cost was $199 ($30 off/originally $229), with no tax, and free shipping.

I chose it because of the glass container and also from the reviews. Here's the link on Amazon: Water Distiller, Countertop, White Enamel, Glass Collection (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00026F9F8/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00)

Toodles,
WhiteCrowBlackDeer


Yes, Andrew Norton Webber said that Dr Mercola´s article - in his interview with Lisa M Harrison - has unfortunately done a lot to invalidate the benefits of distilled water .. because of his high profile.

But, Webber's substance in this field has convinced me. I am seriously on the distilled journey now .. and feel the effects after only 10 days. It is truly remarkable.

I am interested to now invest in a distller .. I have always had water filters but not a distillation unit. So, please share any more suggestions on that, I would be grateful.

Zebra

p.s. if you have not see this documentary .. it is a must :)

GlWboI_0obk

[Connecting with Sauce]

Everyone is missing the point that this really gets down to is the Water and how it is processed by YOUR BODY.

Forget the water distiller.

Stop eating the junk in the food.

Get as pure as you can with your diet.

Drink your pee.


Edit:

Also, if we can bridge the gaps, one might consider Distilling their water first, and then re-structuring it with any number of commercially available products like Dan Winter's Imploder, or make your own like Jason Verbelli has:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYNYxQ7m1Vc



ANYWAY

To get back to the GROSSLY missed point, it's the urine you should be after.

Well good point ;) this was mine too... Especially as I already drink my own best medicine... (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?1793-Taking-the-piss-Your-own-best-medicine...)Urine is structured too and if you double, triple or continue to distill it it only gets better and better tasting as Andrew states also, this is what I've found too.. That is the KEY message to this discussion. ..And for those that are still too programmed to consider it OR too toxic or both then drink distilled only... I think the posts by people on here who say their health hasn't improved with other water sources is quite telling... ANW does mention quite a few 'miracle' examples of people getting well by drinking >4L of distilled water everyday... Of those posting here? How many of you have actually watched the 2hr+ talk and listened to it all with full attention?

I was "feared" into mineralising my water coming from my Mini Classic II water distiller a few years ago so we have been re-mineralising it AND structuring it with a vortex jug and I do know all about the energy of water too as here is my water thread I compiled a few years ago in PA1 here

>>> http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=7340

There is a lot of info there which we probably have repeated here but it is all in one place...

I have had a renewed my own water "recycle" program in the last 3-4 days AND we have stopped adding minerals to our distilled water we use...

I even did a little bit of research and come up with some interesting water ideas elsewhere so distilling may not be the ultimate off grid source of water... You'll have to watch his talk to get the idea of where I may be thinking. It is something which doesn't need plumbing in and produced effectively distilled water...

I've also been doing 2 flat teaspoons of bi-carb of soda in first morning water 45 minutes before consuming any food or anything else... Decalcify big time...

I resonate quite strongly with Andrew Norton Webber's information which is why I shared it here. It was quite compelling and I've also read the "book of aquarius" he mentions but not got any of the equipment to process "urine" into the 'stone'... I think he is onto something with the Urine being the "activator" of the light body and the "cup of life" he looks dam good to be honest for a 41-42 year old so ask yourself do you 'look' that healthy and alert with what you are doing?

... I'll keep you posted on my progress. I'm pretty activated already with what I'm able to do with my distant healing... I will keep you posted as I go on, on how it improves this 'soul vessel'.

*******
Some great links at the YT post above here to maintain the info if lost from YT.

ames Gilliland of ECETI Interviews Jason Verbelli:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCymZJGuwTw

Logic and Theory of Water Enhancers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihXnxUi3FSc

Making Colloidal Silver and Healthy Water (Part 1 of 2):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nQuOFvvt3k

Clayton Nolte:
http://www.NaturalActionWater.com

Fractal Life Solutions:
http://www.fractallifesolutions.com/products

Richard's channel:
http://www.youtube.com/user/hhoforvolts

Jorge's Channel:
http://www.youtube.com/user/skycollection

Jamie Buturff's Channel:
http://www.youtube.com/user/jamiebuturff

Dan Winter's Imploder:
http://www.FractalField.com

Doc Willard's Wonder Water:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gu8FI1ofO8

ElectroCulturing:
http://www.rexresearch.com/elculture/elculture.htm
http://www.rexresearch.com/agro2/0agro1.htm
http://www.electrocultureandmagnetoculture.com/links.html

Water - The Great Mystery
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlWboI_0obk

Top Secret Water:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJhogR7YLps

Centripetal Spin and Magnetic Current in relation to Water Pressure
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4W_3GRvKyPU

Ice Berg Energy Water:
http://www.Vorsong.com

Dr. Bob Beck's Pulsers:
http://www.Sota.com/

Water Distillers and Products:
http://www.WaterWise.com/

Atmospheric Water Generator:
http://www.EcoloBlue.com

Treating Cancer with Colloidal Silver and EMPs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exMxfj0oCQ8

Alternative Cancer Treatments :
http://www.royal-rife.com/
http://PhoenixTears.ca/
http://www.VitaminB17.net/
http://thedcasite.com/
http://www.sutherlandiaopc.com/

Run from the Cure by Rick Simpson (Hemp Oil cure)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0psJhQHk_GI

A World Without Cancer - The Story of Vitamin B-17 by Edward G. Griffin
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4312930190281243507#docid=-7569039290...

Technologies for Accelerating Plant Growth:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUwHImHcSdY

The Black Box:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLJn6R_aT84

Diamagnetic Orbit and Gyroscopics:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4rwGSkGj_A

Harmonics of Wobbling Spheres:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/52771110/Harmonics-of-Wobbling-Spheres
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What a Magnet Is and Why (9 Parts)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fT3w1Wc3W9Y&list=PLF36B518240B98295&in...

Atomic Feng Shui - Aetheric Diodes and Magnetization:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/77264199/Atomic-Feng-Shui-Aetheric-Diodes-and-Magne...

Over 30 Free Books relating to Suppressed Sciences:
http://www.scribd.com/my_document_collections/3113156

Free Energy Flyer for the Public - With Working Links:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/56042386/Free-Energy-Flyer-for-the-Public-With-Work...
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Pier Luigi Ighina:
http://www.rexresearch.com/ighina/ighina.htm

Ighina Information Page:
http://fortunadrago.xoom.it/main/?page_id=185&lang=en

Stan Meyers:
http://www.Waterpoweredcar.com/
http://www.AlexPetty.com/
http://www.RWGresearch.com/

Dewey B Larson:
http://www.reciprocalsystem.com/dbl

Twin Vortexes - VBM - Winged Sun - Free Masons - Leedskalnin - (MAGNETS)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HoRQKpjqqQ

CMR - Non Contact Attachment:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8bc6KU78rY

Non-Linear Magnetics:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pq_iPPfxg0w

Max Field (600% Stronger w less mass):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1auuL62SQqM

Multi-Polar Magnets - Nanomagnetic Engineering:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kk2E9jhx5HQ

Magnetism On / Off Switch:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twxQjrmxgqQ

Rodin Coils, John Searl's Technology
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGe_ILg608w
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SEG Mock Up vs SEG Prototype (Document):
http://www.scribd.com/doc/75278338/SEG-Mock-Up-Verses-SEG-Prototype-Stages-of...

1st Visit to Searl Magnetics:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_Lk1VFgvUk

Distinguishing Between the Mock Up and Prototype:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqPhwuakcLM

Theory of Operation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJX17LgBYaQ

SEG Background
http://www.rexresearch.com/searl4/searl4.htm

Design
http://www.rexresearch.com/searl/searl.htm

Russian Validations
http://www.rexresearch.com/roschin/roschin.htm

Searl Sites
http://www.SearlSolution.com/
http://www.SwallowCommand.com/
http://www.JohnSearlStory.com/

Donate to Searl:
http://www.northpointcharity.org/

Invest in Searl:
http://www.searlmagnetics.com/investing
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BioMagnetism:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiAXKlThA7I

Ed Leedskalnin:
http://www.Leedskalnin.com/
http://www.CoralCastleCode.com/

Joe's Magnet Strangeness (Creator of the Joe Cell):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLXrsScMm1Q

Magnet Levitating:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1DecEDxcjc

Magnet Spinning 300,000 RPM:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cs5ZpCgHoo

Jason Verbelli Interview with Ben Lowrey:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HC2tJn0OLG0&feature=related

Jason Verbelli Interview with 100 Monkey Radio:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqRkKQhoJuw

[RunningDeer]

Wow, Connecting with Sauce, lots of info. I'll hava' look at some. Thank you.

[Arrowwind]

I wont drink distilled water either.
Face it. Humanity did not evolve by catching rain drops.
They drank off of springs, creeks, rivers and lakes.
None of that is distilled.
But highly energized from playing with the earth mother.

Look into Photonic water.

actually all water on the planet would have gone thru various distillations via solar driven evaporation into the atmosphere and subsequent re-mineralisation on rejoining sea,rivers,land.
so, duplicating this process with the aim to exclude toxins should be a good thing...


Well yes, all water eventually goes through a distillation process via formation of rain, where it energetically gets charged in the biosphere, but from there it gets further charged though wet lands, creeks, rivers.
Distilled water made by man in a machine is energicially dead. If I were to drink distilled water I would run it through a phototonic water unit or some other votex device that mimics what nature does to its best waters.
The evidence is clear through studies in plant growth that charged water is where it is at.

[Russ1959]

Well what's very clear from this topic is we all want the healthiest option and want to live for a very long time.
I watched and enjoyed the webber interview and it is pitched very well if you excuse the pun.
However he does hint that distilled water is an alternative to drinking urine and perhaps more for those who would find drinking piss a disgusting taboo thing to do despite its benefits!
Once people like Webber become established they also command high fees for giving lectures at conferences.
The best things in life are FREE!
For that reason, I'm gonna carry on taking the piss.Lol.
Russ

[Connecting with Sauce]

For that reason, I'm gonna carry on taking the piss.Lol.
Russ

Russ,
Me too! ;)

This despite the poor (low) audio covers similar topics...

p1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rS_rtcXOJfM&feature=channel&list=UL
p2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sx7cxPN2SIU&feature=channel&list=UL VERY important!!!!!
p3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YdbAgVE2IQ&feature=relmfu Covers that mineralised water isn't as good for you...
p4a
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vW0WDcf-TVs&feature=relmfu

I will continue to take the piss and use my Mini Classic 2 and my Living water Vortex Jug to energise the water...

Another good discussion:
f1__SrtxSCA

Her discusses the water-ionisers and minerals...

Of course here is some dis-info which is starting I am sure...
http://www.hoax-slayer.com/dew-water-poison-hoax.shtml

[Debra]

Yes, Andrew Norton Webber said that Dr Mercola´s article - in his interview with Lisa M Harrison - has unfortunately done a lot to invalidate the benefits of distilled water .. because of his high profile.

But, Webber's substance in this field has convinced me. I am seriously on the distilled journey now .. and feel the effects after only 10 days. It is truly remarkable.

I am interested to now invest in a distller .. I have always had water filters but not a distillation unit. So, please share any more suggestions on that, I would be grateful.

Zebra

p.s. if you have not see this documentary .. it is a must :)

Hi Zebra,

I have you to thank for posting the Andrew Norton Webber vid- “The Water’s of Life: the Literal Fountain of Youth” (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_msWtSljFQw).

I've posted this in another place, too. My #1 goal is to decalcifying the pineal gland and higher state of consciousness. So I'm up for intense short term gain. Cuz, my plan is to not spend eternity in 3D. "I am soooo over 3D." "Beam me up, Scotty."

In the vid, it's explained much better than I can ever about the science. Bottom line? It just seemed right for me. I'll know if and when to stop. I say, "Or, why not both?" I use artesian well water, Britta filters, and then I have a water bottle that has a Berkey filter in it. Win-Win. But for now, the focus is on distilled. I'd suggest to wait to purchase machine. See if you stay with it. I purchased the machine for several reasons: I don't want to run to the store and lug the bottles, the cost commitment of the machine curtails laziness, and I don't like the plastic bottles from the store, so I use quart size Ball jars.

As for the lack of minerals in water, I mentioned the macrobiotic lifestyle and foods. I also do Tai Chi, that exercise enhances bone density and all the other benefits that enhance all systems in the body. So, for me it is more important to eliminate what the dark forces have added to water, soil, and air. And as strange as this sounds, I have always believed that this body comes back to center. It may take a bit depending on what I'm putting it through, but it obeys in the end. For me, the mind is a driver that takes it's instruction from the "Totality of Paula" and not the other way around.

Lastly... as you mentioned, Zebra, in the vid, they discuss how there’s really one damaging article that circulates in the different platforms. My leap in thought, too - all to curtail the hidden truth: “WATER IS THE CARRIER OF LIFE/LIGHT” and “The Water’s of Life: the Literal Fountain of Youth”. And from what we all know, that’s entirely possible. So, it’s my way of saying to the dark forces, “Hell no!”

I agree, Zebra. Carve out some the time to watch. I did three times. I agree also that all sides need to be considered. I would not want to harm anyone with misinformation. I like the disclaimer that everyone make their own decisions for their uniques body type and life purpose.

WhiteCrowBlackDeer



Hello WhiteCrowBlackDeer!

You are on an important mission. I would love to follow your journey, if you feel up to sharing. I am still working out what the different dimensions really mean, but I have been to that place of kundalini rising into another place - so if that is the crown chakra blasting me into 4th or 5th dimensions: IT WAS GLORIOUS.

Yes, it would be so good to be there again. I have tried to replicate that one experience - it happened during a mediation early one morning - however, I have not had success since.

I value your advice on purchasing a distillation machine .. I am currently taking the stuff you find *in the supermarket -- nudge nudge wink wink, say no more* ;)

You know, WCBD, the one refrain that keeps returning to me, after watching the interview, was his clarity and conviction that the best distilled you can get is from yourself.

I would love to hear what more people have to say about urine therapy. What say you? What say others?:o

Thanks again for following me up - I will take a look at the distillation unit you mentioned in your last post to me as well.

With best wishes, Zebra

[Ol' Roy]

Thanks all of you for these useful posts. I did to watch the Andrew Noton Webber interview with Lisa Harrison.

I applied urine on a couple of places on my face and they dried up within 2 days. Not reapplying them, just days.

My biggest objection is, If you buy distlled water from the store. Platics do leach into the the water. According to them, even though there is negative ions in distilled water, there is no leaching!

Thanks WCBD for your useful post on distilling water.I took a lot of chemistry in college back in the day, it seems like GLASS containers were the norm.

Another question is, I am on 3 medications at night. Two are for anxiety-depression and one is for high blood pressure (which is normal now). Do I still drink my pee in the morning?

I don't think I can drink my pee (especially starting off). Could I dilute my pee with a glass of distilled water/ Actually I would rather get cleaned out a little, before I started this.

I have been to Anrew's site, can't seem to find question's and answers section.

Any info would be appreciated.

BTW, did purchase a gallon of distilled water. Don't know why am waiting. Maybe it's the caffeine addiction from sodas, black teas-green tea, and coffee. Don't want no stupid headache!

Don't know why, but I'm really drawn to this.

[Connecting with Sauce]

Thanks all of you for these useful posts. I did to watch the Andrew Noton Webber interview with Lisa Harrison.

I applied urine on a couple of places on my face and they dried up within 2 days. Not reapplying them, just days.

My biggest objection is, If you buy distlled water from the store. Platics do leach into the the water. According to them, even though there is negative ions in distilled water, there is no leaching!

Thanks WCBD for your useful post on distilling water.I took a lot of chemistry in college back in the day, it seems like GLASS containers were the norm.

Another question is, I am on 3 medications at night. Two are for anxiety-depression and one is for high blood pressure (which is normal now). Do I still drink my pee in the morning?

I don't think I can drink my pee (especially starting off). Could I dilute my pee with a glass of distilled water/ Actually I would rather get cleaned out a little, before I started this.

I have been to Anrew's site, can't seem to find question's and answers section.

Any info would be appreciated.

BTW, did purchase a gallon of distilled water. Don't know why am waiting. Maybe it's the caffeine addiction from sodas, black teas-green tea, and coffee. Don't want no stupid headache!

Don't know why, but I'm really drawn to this.

ANW states that distilled water from walmart (in USA) has a large turn around and so is fresher, also says that the leached chemicals will just 'go through'... and in bulk it can be ~$4-5 per day for each gallon you need... I have a water distiller since 2008 and so do no have this issue. But my distiller was ~£400 in the UK when I bought it... and now the mk3 is £600 !... I think there is a better solution which I'm trying to sort out but will not be cheap but will produce more water and not require plumbing in :) anyway...

ANW says even if someone is ILL and has really dehydrated urine it will be the best medicine for the body... this may however create a healing crisis if the person is 'not there' yet... but will only accelerate you towards health with a bumpy ride... I would take is slow and build up with distilled water... this in itself will cause a healing crisis whihc may be though of as a bad thing by someone in fear of what is happening to them..

I have been saunaing and eating cleanly and doing UT for ~2 years daily and recently in the last week have UPPED my game and started recycling virtually everything which comes out... so much so that I end up with approximately a 1 hr turn around time for the ~1 pint that comes around. I have had very ~mild~ mucus expelling which for me indicates it is working and shifting stuff which was deep rooted...

I could very much imagine someone who is in balance (but needs to detox but is in equalibrium so to speak) will experience stuff like mucus coughing and such which we have been programmed since an early age as "bad" and take stuff to stop it etc ...

Hope this all makes sence and people get what they need to from this...

Cheers ~raises a glass of homebrew~

[RunningDeer]

Hello Ol’ Roy,

I’m no where near an expert on the topic. I’m 5 days into this journey. I’ve listened to about 10-12 hours of vids. There is a lot of conflicting information, so I’m going to move forward gingerly. I say custom design according your comfort level.

There’s another site on Avalon that you may find helpful. Taking the Piss: Your Own Best Medicine (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?1793-Taking-the-piss-Your-own-best-medicine...)


Thanks WCBD for your useful post on distilling water.I took a lot of chemistry in college back in the day, it seems like GLASS containers were the norm.
I just purchases some more 1/2 gallon/64oz Ball jars, so I’ll have a stash of distilled water ahead. Every action to simplify, creates another action towards a successful outcome.


Another question is, I am on 3 medications at night. Two are for anxiety-depression and one is for high blood pressure (which is normal now). Do I still drink my pee in the morning?

I can’t speak to medications, but one point was brought up in the vid. Over time, the dosage was reduced or in some cases, stopped. It depends on the individual.


I don't think I can drink my pee (especially starting off). Could I dilute my pee with a glass of distilled water/ Actually I would rather get cleaned out a little, before I started this.

I say, be your own advisor. Experiment according to your comfort levels. I say this because if your choices come from a place of distaste (no pun intended) then your speaking negatively to the physical body. For me, it’s a partnership between the levels of “the self & Self”.


Any info would be appreciated. BTW, did purchase a gallon of distilled water. Don't know why am waiting.

Ain’t it great! Decisions. Choices. Empowered Humans, yes we are... Sir Ol’ Roy...


Maybe it's the caffeine addiction from sodas, black teas-green tea, and coffee. Don't want no stupid headache!

FFT and this is what I've learned when I get in the state. I hava-look, and ask: Is that a rationale? Confusion about choice, seeing many sides, debating over and over is another diversion tactic. How about? Don’t do cold turkey. Lessen the amount of caffeine. It doesn’t have to be all or nothing. If that’s the case you may just give up. I’m approaching it as another upgrade for this physical body.

I can speak to the coffee addiction and 5 days into this process. I’m doing 100% distilled water. Even on the first day, I didn’t have the desire for coffee. The pot was there, but I was aware that it was just the “habit of the ritual” and not the actual drinking. I’m drinking less over time to prevent withdrawal headaches. And at this point I haven’t made the decision to stop. The only focus is to continue with distilled water.


Don't know why, but I'm really drawn to this.
I think you just may be ready for a decision/direction. Ready, set, go...

:wave: WhiteCrowBlackDeer

[Arrowwind]

Another question is, I am on 3 medications at night. Two are for anxiety-depression and one is for high blood pressure (which is normal now). Do I still drink my pee in the morning?

I don't think I can drink my pee (especially starting off). Could I dilute my pee with a glass of distilled water/ Actually I would rather get cleaned out a little, before I started this.

I have been to Anrew's site, can't seem to find question's and answers section.

Any info would be appreciated.

BTW, did purchase a gallon of distilled water. Don't know why am waiting. Maybe it's the caffeine addiction from sodas, black teas-green tea, and coffee. Don't want no stupid headache!

Don't know why, but I'm really drawn to this.

As long as you are on those medications you should not drink your urine. It has been clearly documented that anti-depressants and other drugs pass though the urine. You could build up toxic levels in short order. Those drugs are toxic enough as it its and you would do your self service to find a way to get past taking them. There are many natural alternatives. Most depression holds it origin in a poorly functioning and diseased gut digestive processes that cannot produce sufficient B vitamins and lacks the proper microbes to maintain total body wellness. The SAD diet (standard American type diet) makes for very sad people.

To say that distilled water is the same as drinking urine is a huge huge mistake. Urine it the homeopathic preparation of your bodies own substraits, both mineral and pathogenic toxins. This is why it works. Who ever said that distilled water is equal to drinking urine must be some kind of dunce... dumb enough not even to explore what urine therapy is all about before he want about making such outrageous statements.

[unearth9]

I have been drinking my own distilled water for a decade now. It's wonderful.

Mercola gets most things right but he he is dead wrong on this. Pure H2O doesn't do the body ANY harm, on th contrary, it is what th body craves.

Can you expand on the benefits you have had with drinking distilled water after such a long time. I have just started and am feeling grand. I am using a little urine as well just to keep it real ;) thanks..

[nearing]

I have been drinking my own distilled water for a decade now. It's wonderful.

Mercola gets most things right but he he is dead wrong on this. Pure H2O doesn't do the body ANY harm, on th contrary, it is what th body craves.

Can you expand on the benefits you have had with drinking distilled water after such a long time. I have just started and am feeling grand. I am using a little urine as well just to keep it real ;) thanks..

Well, I personally credit distilled water with keeping me so young. I look about 15 yrs younger than I am. I feel it too ;-)

[RunningDeer]

"Withdrawal Symptoms"

This is my ninth day of distilled water health and healing. I'm experiencing symptoms of mental irritability, general fatigue, pains and aches. I know these are all good signs. I've found this information valuable from past life changes I've made.

“Food and Healing: How what you eat determines your health, your well-being, and the quality of your life,” by: Annemarie Colbin

pg. 214 - “...The healing process itself often becomes manifest in certain general physical withdrawal symptoms. Because these can sometimes be mistaken for symptoms of illness, it is important to know of them in advance.”

pg. 216 - Michio Kushi has classified signs of such “housecleaning” by the body into ten precise categories of symptoms:

- General fatigue
- Pains and aches
- Fever, chills, and coughs
- Abnormal sweating and frequent urination
- Skin discharges and unusual body odors
- Diarrhea or constipation
- Temporary decrease in sexual desire and vitality
- Temporary cessation of menstruation
- Mental irritability
- Other minor transitory symptoms: restless dreams, minor hair loss, feeling of coldness

pg 216 - “...some of these will be experienced by each individual, and the healthier his or her general condition, the fewer symptoms there will be. The symptoms are also characteristically transitory, sometimes lasting only a few hours or maybe days. Steady and extensive physical activity will speed up the cleansing process which is why all effective dietary regimes include exercise.”

pg. 218 - “...if your symptom is on the list, (see above) and you feel OK about it, it’s a healing reaction. Or you can consider a very helpful concept about the nature of healing symptoms noted by practitioners of homeopathy: They have found that discharge symptoms in the healing mode tend to follow a specific order, or progression, namely:

- Symptoms move from the inside to the outside of the body (mucus in the lungs is coughed up; toxic matter from deep within the system comes out as boils or rashes).
- Symptoms move from the upper part to the lower part of the body (medication that affects the kidneys, such as steroids, can be discharged by a rash on the legs.)
- Symptoms relating to chronic conditions disappear in the reverse order of their appearance; the ones that emerged latest leave first and the earlier ones reemerge and then leave last. This means that long after we set out on a healing path, we might relieve symptoms of very old problems if these were suppressed or incorrectly treated. Their reemergence (sometimes known as retracing), if treated naturally and allowed to follow its course, would only mean that the body is healing itself. For example, if you used to cough a lot as a child and took medicine and then developed asthma, when you go into a healing mode, you may have a brief flare-up of the asthma, and later - even several years later - have a coughing episode that is in fact a “retracing” of your childhood condition.

The foregoing three rules comprise “Hering’s Law of Cure,” after Constantine Hering (1800-1880), who formulated them. To these, John Garvy, N.D., has added two more:

- A feeling of well-being precedes a healing crisis.
- There is also a feeling of well-being at the core during the crisis; that is, deep down inside it feels OK.

Peace,
WhiteCrowBlackDeer

[Debra]

"Withdrawal Symptoms"

This is my ninth day of distilled water health and healing. I'm experiencing symptoms of mental irritability, general fatigue, pains and aches. I know these are all good signs. I've found this information valuable from past life changes I've made.



Good for you WCBD! I have not been absolutely distilled every day, like yourself, but I have noticed these changes. Mine came in the first 24 hours. It felt like a furnace inside my body and up into my face. Very noticable, and somehow I knew it was connected. It was housecleaning - things being pressured out of the system. And the irritability too.


The foregoing three rules comprise “Hering’s Law of Cure,” after Constantine Hering (1800-1880), who formulated them. To these, John Garvy, N.D., has added tow more:

- A feeling of well-being precedes a healing crisis.
- There is also a feeling of well-being at the core during the crisis; that is, deep down inside it feels OK.


This reference also resonates .. I have always wondered this ''a feeling of well being, precedes a healing crisis.'' I have managed to reach a time in my life, where I do notice this pattern - I usually have a rosy glow and then whammo .. but as you noted: you kind of celebrate that all is fine once you reach the ''core of the crisis''

This is medical intuition, body intelligence - we all have it, when we pay it attention.

Thank - you for sharing,
Zebra x

[RunningDeer]

:offtopic: Oops, sorry this is off topic. It didn't seem like it at the time.
Peace,
WhiteCrowBlackDeer

[Connecting with Sauce]

Worth downloading this...
http://www.scribd.com/doc/94151052/Hotema-Mans-Higher-Consciousness

Also this may be of interest:
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/16058/16058-h/16058-h.htm

[sigma6]

I gotta add my two cents, as this topic does interest me... and the truth is .... I am undecided, I think this issue is more complicated then meets the eye... howeverrr (lol)... I do believe that distilled water has special chemical properties as Mercola describes, which is why it is recommended for use in batteries for ex) I don't completely agree with Webber on the idea that the only way for the body to absorb minerals is via complex food sources (which I think he said that) I remember reading that two of the longest lived people on the planet are the Japanese of Okinawa, and some tribe in the mountains of Pakistan, which both have the richest sources of naturally occurring calcium, one from the choral mass, the other from mineral water which runs off the mountains, so I believe that non food sources absolutely can be a source of mineral consumption. Mercola wasn't completely blowing off distilled water but suggesting not using it long term, that makes sense (moderation in all things) I do believe that it could have a therapeutic application in detoxing, but question how distilled water, in and of itself, would know how to differentiate between heavy metals and other minerals in general? I can understand a plant/herb like cilantro having a specific property, but why would something as universal as water know to leave healthy minerals and absorb only unhealthy minerals? I would like to see something that explains that mechanism, so I would definitely consider trying it, after say a period of high dose mineralization say, (just as a safety precaution) and I would love to do scientific studies on measuring what comes out of the urine on different levels of distilled water consumption (alas I haven't built my secret underground science lab yet ...;-) that is all I got off the top of my head, will be studying this more...

[Tangri]

Most people are confused about

Psychologist vs Psychiatrist

Purified Water vs Distilled Water

The Difference between purified water and distilled water is that purified water has been filter to certain specifations depending on whoever or whatever is filtering the water. It may include different minerals that naturally exist in water. Now Distilled water is what scientist use to do experiments or what you would put into your iron. Distilled water contains absolutely nothing else. It is Pure H2O and when boiled or steamed will leave behind no impurities or minerals. Distilled water can actually kill you if you drink to much of it(1/2 glass). It is prone to bond any minerals get in touch with it like a strong magnet. Because of its property of having nothing else to it, it will cause an imbalance in your cells swell and burst. It has the opposite but same effect of drink sea water. It will dehydrate you. But it is perfect for scientific or cleaning purposes. Not for drinking!

[ThePythonicCow]

Distilled water can actually kill you if you drink to much of it.
A bit sensationalist?

I would imagine that -any- water would kill you, if you drank enough :).

Or, speaking more sensibly, I've been figuring that distilled water was OK so long as you supplied the missing mineral (sodium, potassium, magnesium, calcium and sulfur) in a appropriate forms and amounts. Your body -will- provide them, from its stores, if you don't, because it must maintain these various electrolyte balances to live. If your body can't liberate anymore from its stores ... then its dooms day, as you note.

Or are you suggesting something else here?

[Tangri]

No Paul,
If you drink excessive amount regular water you will get intoxication
When too much water enters the body's cells, the tissues swell with the excess fluid. Your cells maintain a specific concentration gradient, so excess water outside the cells (the serum) draws sodium from within the cells out into the serum in an attempt to re-establish the necessary concentration. As more water accumulates, the serum sodium concentration drops -- a condition known as hyponatremia. The other way cells try to regain the electrolyte balance is for water outside the cells to rush into the cells via osmosis.

On the other hand Distilled water is extremely unstable and prone to turn it's PH to acidic nature in very short time and it's intoxication is more severe then regular water

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Five years ago a radio station in Sacramento held an on-air contest to see who could drink the most water. The prize was a Nintendo Wii. One woman died from drinking too much water.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16614865/ns/us_news-life/t/woman-dies-after-water-drinking-contest/#.T7iLZkVYutE





I would imagine that -any- water would kill you, if you drank enough :).

[meat suit]

I gotta add my two cents, as this topic does interest me... and the truth is .... I am undecided, I think this issue is more complicated then meets the eye... howeverrr (lol)... I do believe that distilled water has special chemical properties as Mercola describes, which is why it is recommended for use in batteries for ex) I don't completely agree with Webber on the idea that the only way for the body to absorb minerals is via complex food sources (which I think he said that) I remember reading that two of the longest lived people on the planet are the Japanese of Okinawa, and some tribe in the mountains of Pakistan, which both have the richest sources of naturally occurring calcium, one from the choral mass, the other from mineral water which runs off the mountains, so I believe that non food sources absolutely can be a source of mineral consumption. Mercola wasn't completely blowing off distilled water but suggesting not using it long term, that makes sense (moderation in all things) I do believe that it could have a therapeutic application in detoxing, but question how distilled water, in and of itself, would know how to differentiate between heavy metals and other minerals in general? I can understand a plant/herb like cilantro having a specific property, but why would something as universal as water know to leave healthy minerals and absorb only unhealthy minerals? I would like to see something that explains that mechanism, so I would definitely consider trying it, after say a period of high dose mineralization say, (just as a safety precaution) and I would love to do scientific studies on measuring what comes out of the urine on different levels of distilled water consumption (alas I haven't built my secret underground science lab yet ...;-) that is all I got off the top of my head, will be studying this more...

good post sigma,
I would assume that distilled water grabs all elements irrespectively, you could certainly like Paul suggests resupply your body with the elements that you want to keep.
its the nicest tasting water I have tried...distilled....

[nearing]

It's the only water I have drank for over ten years (and I drink a lot of water every day, and make coffee with it) and I have no health problems that could kill me. I take NO medications. I look very much younger than I am. I feel that way too.

distilled water has been VERY good for me and of it's going to kill me, it is showing now signs!

[RunningDeer]

Whiskey_Mystic your statement is misleading on why the lady died from water consumption. Two important facts were that a large amount was consumed, in a short period of time. It was nearly two gallons of water. Whereas, one gallon of water over an entire day is consumed in the distilled water spiritual and health benefits video. See: "Lisa Harrison's with Andrew Norton Webber" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_msWtSljFQw)

“...Contestants were given 8-ounce bottles of water to drink in two minutes. Within 10 minutes, the contestants drank again. After eight rounds, contestants drank 16-ounce bottles...”

“...Winsor said she drank nine of the 16-ounce bottles and saw Strange drink a 10th -- a total of 224 ounces of water, or nearly two gallons...”

WhiteCrowBlackDeer


Five years ago a radio station in Sacramento held an on-air contest to see who could drink the most water. The prize was a Nintendo Wii. One woman died from drinking too much water.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16614865/ns/us_news-life/t/woman-dies-after-water-drinking-contest/#.T7iLZkVYutE




I would imagine that -any- water would kill you, if you drank enough :).

[ThePythonicCow]

One woman died from drinking too much water.


Whiskey_Mystic your statement is misleading on why the lady died from water consumption. Two important facts were that a large amount was consumed, in a short period of time.

WhiteCrowBlackDeer -- I'm confused -- how was Whiskey_Mystic's statement misleading? Seems like you're agreeing with him -- too dang much water :).

[RunningDeer]

One woman died from drinking too much water.


Whiskey_Mystic your statement is misleading on why the lady died from water consumption. Two important facts were that a large amount was consumed, in a short period of time.

WhiteCrowBlackDeer -- I'm confused -- how was Whiskey_Mystic's statement misleading? Seems like you're agreeing with him -- too dang much water :).

Hi Paul,

If people are considering the distilled water method, then information that Whiskey_Mystic posted, may cause others to shy away from experimenting further.

There's a world of different between drinking 2 gallons of water in a short period of time vs. one gallon over 12-16 hours.

WhiteCrowBlackDeer

[Whiskey_Mystic]

One woman died from drinking too much water.


Whiskey_Mystic your statement is misleading on why the lady died from water consumption. Two important facts were that a large amount was consumed, in a short period of time.

WhiteCrowBlackDeer -- I'm confused -- how was Whiskey_Mystic's statement misleading? Seems like you're agreeing with him -- too dang much water :).

Hi Paul,

If people are considering the distilled water method, then information that Whiskey_Mystic posted, may cause others to shy away from experimenting further.

There's a world of different between drinking 2 gallons of water in a short period of time vs. one gallon over 12-16 hours.

WhiteCrowBlackDeer

Paul said that too much of any kind of water could be harmful. I supported that with a news story. I made no comparison to sensible drinking and certainly didn't intend to mislead anyone. I wasn't addressing anything else. I simply reported a news story. Sorry if this confused anyone.

[RunningDeer]

Oh, I'm sorry, Whiskey_Mystic. That also explains Paul's question.
WhiteCrowBlackDeer


Paul said that too much of any kind of water could be harmful. I supported that with a news story. I made no comparison to sensible drinking and certainly didn't intend to mislead anyone. I wasn't addressing anything else. I simply reported a news story. Sorry if this confused anyone.

[ThePythonicCow]

There's a world of different between drinking 2 gallons of water in a short period of time vs. one gallon over 12-16 hours.
Ah - true - Whiskey_Mystic did not specify time period, just amount.

I had taken time period to be implied ... 36,500 half-gallons of water would not be "too much" ... if drunk over a lifetime of 100 years :).

In other words, I think we are all agreeing vigorously ... too much water (or anything else I can think of) in too short a time is unhealthy, and in the extreme will kill.

[Connecting with Sauce]

This is a good book on the topic... I'm about half way through it...

MAN'S HIGHER CONSCI0USNESS
http://www.scribd.com/doc/94151052/Hotema-Mans-Higher-Consciousness

This is some really good information in it which relates to this topic. I think re-energised distilled water is the way forward which is what we drink, but I'm mainly doing recycling with Urine Therapy and am at about 4 litres per day ~ish and I'm having mild detox reactions which for me is great as I never get any.. So I think it is shifting stuff. This 4L is not all in one go... My bladder isn't that large!

The book link above I can highly recommend...



On the lady which died drinking too much water... Well it was bottled mineral water which isn't distilled water, but I would not recommend doing more than a pint every two to three hours...

[RunningDeer]

One month today, a gallon of distilled water each day. :tea:

Some things I've noticed so far are that my eyes are bluer/greener. I think that's because the whites are whiter.

My coffee intake is cut at least in half. Not because I am full of water, but because I see that it's less of a habit and more of a ritual. (I attribute this to clearer thinking.) I have no plan to eliminate coffee, but if it happens then that's fine.

One last point, I'm less inclined to eat foods that would be best left on the market shelf. Better decision making on what I eat. I'm fairly good, but there's aways room for tweaks and adjustments.

PS Two of my friends, Ben & Jerry's stopped in for a visit today. I had to take a Zantac when they left. I don't remember them being such energy vampires before.

Peace,
WhiteCrowBlackDeer :ranger:

[Phoenix]

I wont drink distilled water either.
Face it. Humanity did not evolve by catching rain drops.
They drank off of springs, creeks, rivers and lakes.
None of that is distilled.
But highly energized from playing with the earth mother.

Look into Photonic water.

The Water Cycle most certainly utilizes distillation. If I were to drink some water from a lake, then an hour later urinate some out in the woods, and sweat some out into the air, later on that water will evaporate, and ONLY the water will evaporate due to it's low boiling point (leaving other unwanted materials behind because they have higher boiling points) and then when the time is right that water will rain down again, pure, technically distilled.

However, 99% of freshwater on the planet comes from underground sources, which gives merit to the case that mineral-rich water is optimal for consumption.

The question that remains is, which is the best method? Due to the high amount and diverse variation of pollutants that have contaminated water supplies everywhere, this has made this topic so much more complex.

Whis is better?

Distilled water or chemically contaminated water? (flouride, residual chloride, rocket fuel, lead, volatile organic compounds, etc.)

Many other types of purification exist.. Which is best?

Note: I worked with NGO Catholic Relief Services in this area.

[Carmody]

Very difficult and time consuming to make, but the 'peak' water, MAY be water condensed from brown's gas.

It is made by imploding brown's gas in/as flame, or the brown's gas re-combining back into..H20.

The electrical charge is quite different.

[ThePythonicCow]

The electrical charge is quite different.
Is there a practical gadget you'd recommend that would improve the electrical charge/fields of my re-mineralized distilled water?

And can you explain what's going on with that, to someone who still has one foot in the graveyard of "standard science" ;)?

[Taurean]

All is wasted if you don't use a suitable container ;-


Which Plastic Bottles Are Toxic?
By Melissa Weaver, eHow Contributor
Which Plastic Bottles Are Toxic? thumbnail
Plastic bottles labeled 3, 6 and 7 are considered toxic.

During recent years concerns have arisen regarding the safety of plastic bottles, from water bottles to baby bottles. Certain types of plastic bottles contain harmful chemicals such as Bisphenol A (BPA) that can contribute to adverse health effects including hormonal changes, precancerous cells and prediabetic conditions. All plastic bottles are marked with the recycling symbol -- interlocking arrows forming a triangle -- with a number inside which indicates the type of plastic it contains.

Read more: Which Plastic Bottles Are Toxic? | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/list_7482248_plastic-bottles-toxic.html#ixzz1woZa5JvN

[childs hood end]

Hey Paul have you seen Jason Verbelli vids on water filters and magnets
post 1835
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?3596-Up-At-The-Ranch--James-Gilliland-and-Trout-Lake-/page92



The electrical charge is quite different.
Is there a practical gadget you'd recommend that would improve the electrical charge/fields of my re-mineralized distilled water?

And can you explain what's going on with that, to someone who still has one foot in the graveyard of "standard science" ;)?

[Connecting with Sauce]

Hey Paul have you seen Jason Verbelli vids on water filters and magnets
post 1835
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?3596-Up-At-The-Ranch--James-Gilliland-and-Trout-Lake-/page92



The electrical charge is quite different.
Is there a practical gadget you'd recommend that would improve the electrical charge/fields of my re-mineralized distilled water?

And can you explain what's going on with that, to someone who still has one foot in the graveyard of "standard science" ;)?

This video:
BRex364_Yv8

[Tane Mahuta]

16725

I'm Confused....

TM

[RunningDeer]

All is wasted if you don't use a suitable container ;-


Which Plastic Bottles Are Toxic?
By Melissa Weaver, eHow Contributor
Which Plastic Bottles Are Toxic? thumbnail
Plastic bottles labeled 3, 6 and 7 are considered toxic.

During recent years concerns have arisen regarding the safety of plastic bottles, from water bottles to baby bottles. Certain types of plastic bottles contain harmful chemicals such as Bisphenol A (BPA) that can contribute to adverse health effects including hormonal changes, precancerous cells and prediabetic conditions. All plastic bottles are marked with the recycling symbol -- interlocking arrows forming a triangle -- with a number inside which indicates the type of plastic it contains.

Read more: Which Plastic Bottles Are Toxic? | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/list_7482248_plastic-bottles-toxic.html#ixzz1woZa5JvN


I use glass Ball Mason jars that are 1/2 gallon size. If you order on-line be sure to check the shipping price. Some places are really high because it's glass.

[RunningDeer]

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I'm Confused....

TM

Hi Tane Mahuta,
If you are referring to Post #79, check out at the 30-33 minute mark. It demonstrates the energy one can obtain. (Just an educated guess why this vid is posted.) :wave:

[Arrowwind]

[QUOTE=Arrowwind;485551][Many other types of purification exist.. Which is best?

Note: I worked with NGO Catholic Relief Services in this area.

As I said Look into photonc water. watch their videos. Search photonic water, nick nolte, both on google and at youtube

[Ceedub]

Very difficult and time consuming to make, but the 'peak' water, MAY be water condensed from brown's gas.

It is made by imploding brown's gas in/as flame, or the brown's gas re-combining back into..H20.

The electrical charge is quite different.

Truely making your own water, with a bang! I'ld like to know more about the structural and electrical differences. There seems to be some "magical" effects when Brown's gas is used for different purposes like welding/soldering or overunity engines.

[Ceedub]

Water, as the stuff of life is very important but I can't quite figure where I come down on this distillation issue. On the one hand the stripping of valuable minerals makes good sense but on the other, there obviously are some disolved solids I would prefer to avoid, especially the radioactive ones which can't be removed with regular filtration. I've been drinking RO water for years now and it has been treating me fine (as far as I can tell??). My low end system produces water around 20 ppm and my tap water is about 90 ppm.

Water is the universal solvent yes, but what I'm confused about is why distilled water would be a measurably more powerful solvent than ordinary water. The chemistry texts teach us that a solvent is more powerful when there is already a small quantity of something disolved in it. Also as far as a solvet goes the difference between 0 ppm and 90 ppm is quantitatively minute. Is there a 3d chemistry explanation as to why distilled water would be significantly more powerful as a solvent or are we talking about the memory and life force type effects only? Could we be talking about buffering effects caused by the minerals? In any case once the distilled water enters your stomache now it has all sorts of things disolved in it and I'm sure the TDS will instantly become orders of magnitude higher than what we were talking about when it was in the glass before we drank it. Withen seconds it's disolving digestive acids, enzymes, lasagna and blackberry cobbler (on a good day). So as soon as it passes our lips, distilled water it is not. Or if we use distilled water to make our tea, now we have made a strong solution so we wouldn't expect that to strip out any minerals right? Or if we have a glass of whole milk and then a glass of distilled water, what's in the stomache is more like skim milk and not very much like distilled water at all.

In addition, for water to get from our intestines to our blood and tissues (presumably where the leaching occurs) doesn't it have to pass through semi-permeable cell wall membranes through ossmosis? Wouldn't this result in the water being purified and stripped of most or all of the minerals it carried originally? I'm stretching to remember how these mechanisms work so correct me if I am mistaken on my physiology. Our blood is a strong solution whether or not we drink distilled water. Could we measure the difference in the TDS of the blood while drinking only distilled water and how big could that possibly be? Chemically speaking regarding solvent potential and saturation a solvent doesn't care too much what is dissolved in it does it? Even if we go into mineral deficite the blood has so many other things disolved in it that the strength of the solvent seems like it would stay withen some narrow parameters.

I'm just struggling to grok the mechanism behind the stripping of minerals. I get kind of feeling that there is an oversimplification in this idea meant to satisfy the non-science majors.

Looked at from a social programing perspective and a qui bono angle, we know that public water systems are a mechanism of control. Someone worked hard to get all those contaminants into our water and those peoples' aims would be diluted by people purifying their water. Some people seem to be afraid of pure water. Does anyone else see a possible program running here?

Finally, I like the sound of the photonic water systems but the information about it's purification action seems pretty ambiguous. Can anybody bring forward anything concrete on this?

All questions and no answers from me today, my instinct says take the middle path.

Seeking greater illumination.

[Camilo]

I drank it daily for about 20 years and it really made the difference, it cleans your system from many accumulated toxins, but it also may have some adverse side effects if overdone, as it washes certain nutrients out from the body, and it doesn't provide certain minerals available in natural water. It should be used in combination with natural water.

[Ceedub]

[QUOTE=Arrowwind;485551][Many other types of purification exist.. Which is best?

Note: I worked with NGO Catholic Relief Services in this area.

As I said Look into photonc water. watch their videos. Search photonic water, nick nolte, both on google and at youtube


Nick Nolte? Is that how he stays so young?

Just teasing but seriously has photonic water been shown to clean contaminated water? The info I've found seems to imply that it does but stops short of really saying it out loud.

[meat suit]

Very difficult and time consuming to make, but the 'peak' water, MAY be water condensed from brown's gas.

It is made by imploding brown's gas in/as flame, or the brown's gas re-combining back into..H20.

The electrical charge is quite different.

Truely making your own water, with a bang! I'ld like to know more about the structural and electrical differences. There seems to be some "magical" effects when Brown's gas is used for different purposes like welding/soldering or overunity engines.

I have been playing for a while with HHO (browns gas) it is weird... the gas carries the elctrical charge from the separation.... eventually the components recombine to water, or recombine to water when burning or imloding. 1 litre of water separates into 1800 litres (by volume) of gas, so to make 1 litre of 'virgin' water, you would first need to make 1800 litres of hho.....
the thing is, the water likes being water... the reason why there is hardly any free hydrogen flying around in the athmosphere is coz the moment hydrogen finds oxygen it combines to water.
there is a lot more oxygen than hydrogen in our athmosphere (roughly 21% oxygen) just as well, otherwise there woulndt be anything to breathe.....it would be all water...

hho is actually pretty unpractical in welding etc, expensive to generate, and bloody dangerous....as the oxygen is in there it will go boom in a vacuum...I had a few spectacular blow ups.....
I think the only unique thing it is good for is glass works, as there are no impurities in the gas....

[nearing]

Water, as the stuff of life is very important but I can't quite figure where I come down on this distillation issue. On the one hand the stripping of valuable minerals makes good sense but on the other, there obviously are some disolved solids I would prefer to avoid, especially the radioactive ones which can't be removed with regular filtration. I've been drinking RO water for years now and it has been treating me fine (as far as I can tell??). My low end system produces water around 20 ppm and my tap water is about 90 ppm.

Water is the universal solvent yes, but what I'm confused about is why distilled water would be a measurably more powerful solvent than ordinary water. The chemistry texts teach us that a solvent is more powerful when there is already a small quantity of something disolved in it. Also as far as a solvet goes the difference between 0 ppm and 90 ppm is quantitatively minute. Is there a 3d chemistry explanation as to why distilled water would be significantly more powerful as a solvent or are we talking about the memory and life force type effects only? Could we be talking about buffering effects caused by the minerals? In any case once the distilled water enters your stomache now it has all sorts of things disolved in it and I'm sure the TDS will instantly become orders of magnitude higher than what we were talking about when it was in the glass before we drank it. Withen seconds it's disolving digestive acids, enzymes, lasagna and blackberry cobbler (on a good day). So as soon as it passes our lips, distilled water it is not. Or if we use distilled water to make our tea, now we have made a strong solution so we wouldn't expect that to strip out any minerals right? Or if we have a glass of whole milk and then a glass of distilled water, what's in the stomache is more like skim milk and not very much like distilled water at all.

In addition, for water to get from our intestines to our blood and tissues (presumably where the leaching occurs) doesn't it have to pass through semi-permeable cell wall membranes through ossmosis? Wouldn't this result in the water being purified and stripped of most or all of the minerals it carried originally? I'm stretching to remember how these mechanisms work so correct me if I am mistaken on my physiology. Our blood is a strong solution whether or not we drink distilled water. Could we measure the difference in the TDS of the blood while drinking only distilled water and how big could that possibly be? Chemically speaking regarding solvent potential and saturation a solvent doesn't care too much what is dissolved in it does it? Even if we go into mineral deficite the blood has so many other things disolved in it that the strength of the solvent seems like it would stay withen some narrow parameters.

I'm just struggling to grok the mechanism behind the stripping of minerals. I get kind of feeling that there is an oversimplification in this idea meant to satisfy the non-science majors.

Looked at from a social programing perspective and a qui bono angle, we know that public water systems are a mechanism of control. Someone worked hard to get all those contaminants into our water and those peoples' aims would be diluted by people purifying their water. Some people seem to be afraid of pure water. Does anyone else see a possible program running here?

Finally, I like the sound of the photonic water systems but the information about it's purification action seems pretty ambiguous. Can anybody bring forward anything concrete on this?

All questions and no answers from me today, my instinct says take the middle path.

Seeking greater illumination.

Best post on the thread, imo.

Distilled water DOES NOT LEACH anything from your body! Anyone who says it does had better state the process by which it can do so step by step.

[Czarek]

If you are not sure of this but would like to try it, may I suggest the following?
Given that your body detoxes till about 9am-10am in the morning and you should have NO food till then, why not and help out with the detox and try a glass of distilled water at say 8am and one at 9am.
See what happens. If you get the runs or any other detox symptoms, you’ve got work to do!

[Ceedub]

I saw a pretty cool looking on demand HHO welding set up for sale somewhere. It had some weird effects, something about the temp kind of auto tuning to the thickness of the metal. It uses less joice than MIG welders which isn't saying much. Also after the mild steel is flamed with the torch it doesn't rust. Some guys in the shop had a scrap sitting in a tub of water for a couple of years if I recall waiting for it to rust.

More commonly though people use it for glass like you said and also for working with silver and other fine metals because they don't oxidize or discolor. Also those cool looking copper sculptures that kind of have a rainbow effect are sometimes done with HHO. In any case it has to be on demand in which case it is as safe as acetylene which isn't really very safe to start with. You would never store the H's and the O's together. I use it to boost the efficiency of a marine deisel engine.

It would be massively impractical to use electrolysis to create water though, that's for sure. I can't think how it would be different than pure distilled water especially if multiple distillations are done. Electrical charges and such things can be achieved in easier ways if that's what the deal is there. There does seem to be a bit of magic too it though so who knows.

[meat suit]

I can't think how it would be different than pure distilled water especially if multiple distillations are done. Electrical charges and such things can be achieved in easier ways if that's what the deal is there. There does seem to be a bit of magic too it though so who knows.

well, it would be different, distillation keeps the water molecule in one piece, while electrolisis breaks it apart......the water molecules we have here on earth may be billions of years old??? does anybody know?

[Ceedub]

I can't think how it would be different than pure distilled water especially if multiple distillations are done. Electrical charges and such things can be achieved in easier ways if that's what the deal is there. There does seem to be a bit of magic too it though so who knows.

well, it would be different, distillation keeps the water molecule in one piece, while electrolisis breaks it apart......the water molecules we have here on earth may be billions of years old??? does anybody know?

But then we reassemble it again of course to get water with all the same atoms we had before, just reshuffeled. Water is very stable as a molecule so we do have molecules of great antiquity. That brings up very interesting questions. These molecules may carry memory or some type of quantum imprint from the distant past(or not so distant like nuclear cooling systems). Actually now that I think of it, the water on Earth is all of interstellar origin so the quantum memory of water would be very interesting indeed. It's possible by taking them apart and reassembling them we would erase such imprints for better or worse. Just an idea. If water is alive, as an element, these memories could be important energetically. We may want to be careful not to torture our water ("The Hidden Messages in Water", Masaru Emoto)

Does anyone know what natural reactions occur on Earth, if any, that create water of significant measure?

[Arrowwind]

[QUOTE=Arrowwind;485551][Many other types of purification exist.. Which is best?

Note: I worked with NGO Catholic Relief Services in this area.

As I said Look into photonc water. watch their videos. Search photonic water, nick nolte, both on google and at youtube


Nick Nolte? Is that how he stays so young?

Just teasing but seriously has photonic water been shown to clean contaminated water? The info I've found seems to imply that it does but stops short of really saying it out loud.

Does Nick Nolte use photonic water? He does so many things highly unusual and controversal.... most of which I approve of... and you are thinking of the actor right? The Nolte I am referring to is a different person... and now this is making me wonder if I got his first name right...maybe not

OK, just checked, its Clayton Nolte...

They have put out quite a few videos on case studies .... some very foul water made whole again. I have links for all of them but no time right this minute to dig them up

[The Truth Is In There]

Water, as the stuff of life is very important but I can't quite figure where I come down on this distillation issue. On the one hand the stripping of valuable minerals makes good sense but on the other, there obviously are some disolved solids I would prefer to avoid, especially the radioactive ones which can't be removed with regular filtration. I've been drinking RO water for years now and it has been treating me fine (as far as I can tell??). My low end system produces water around 20 ppm and my tap water is about 90 ppm.

Water is the universal solvent yes, but what I'm confused about is why distilled water would be a measurably more powerful solvent than ordinary water. The chemistry texts teach us that a solvent is more powerful when there is already a small quantity of something disolved in it. Also as far as a solvet goes the difference between 0 ppm and 90 ppm is quantitatively minute. Is there a 3d chemistry explanation as to why distilled water would be significantly more powerful as a solvent or are we talking about the memory and life force type effects only? Could we be talking about buffering effects caused by the minerals? In any case once the distilled water enters your stomache now it has all sorts of things disolved in it and I'm sure the TDS will instantly become orders of magnitude higher than what we were talking about when it was in the glass before we drank it. Withen seconds it's disolving digestive acids, enzymes, lasagna and blackberry cobbler (on a good day). So as soon as it passes our lips, distilled water it is not. Or if we use distilled water to make our tea, now we have made a strong solution so we wouldn't expect that to strip out any minerals right? Or if we have a glass of whole milk and then a glass of distilled water, what's in the stomache is more like skim milk and not very much like distilled water at all.

In addition, for water to get from our intestines to our blood and tissues (presumably where the leaching occurs) doesn't it have to pass through semi-permeable cell wall membranes through ossmosis? Wouldn't this result in the water being purified and stripped of most or all of the minerals it carried originally? I'm stretching to remember how these mechanisms work so correct me if I am mistaken on my physiology. Our blood is a strong solution whether or not we drink distilled water. Could we measure the difference in the TDS of the blood while drinking only distilled water and how big could that possibly be? Chemically speaking regarding solvent potential and saturation a solvent doesn't care too much what is dissolved in it does it? Even if we go into mineral deficite the blood has so many other things disolved in it that the strength of the solvent seems like it would stay withen some narrow parameters.

I'm just struggling to grok the mechanism behind the stripping of minerals. I get kind of feeling that there is an oversimplification in this idea meant to satisfy the non-science majors.

Looked at from a social programing perspective and a qui bono angle, we know that public water systems are a mechanism of control. Someone worked hard to get all those contaminants into our water and those peoples' aims would be diluted by people purifying their water. Some people seem to be afraid of pure water. Does anyone else see a possible program running here?

Finally, I like the sound of the photonic water systems but the information about it's purification action seems pretty ambiguous. Can anybody bring forward anything concrete on this?

All questions and no answers from me today, my instinct says take the middle path.

Seeking greater illumination.

Best post on the thread, imo.

Distilled water DOES NOT LEACH anything from your body! Anyone who says it does had better state the process by which it can do so step by step.

that's easy. distilled water goes in, urine with lots of minerals among other stuff comes out. what exactly happens inbetween doesn't really matter here but the water doesn't just flow through the body and its cell membranes and comes out again unchanged. otherwise urine would taste like distilled water. what matters is that the water has picked up lots of good and some bad things while in your body and carries them out (urine is basically filtered blood, not ingested water). that's leaching for you.

[Connecting with Sauce]

Water, as the stuff of life is very important but I can't quite figure where I come down on this distillation issue. On the one hand the stripping of valuable minerals makes good sense but on the other, there obviously are some disolved solids I would prefer to avoid, especially the radioactive ones which can't be removed with regular filtration. I've been drinking RO water for years now and it has been treating me fine (as far as I can tell??). My low end system produces water around 20 ppm and my tap water is about 90 ppm.

Water is the universal solvent yes, but what I'm confused about is why distilled water would be a measurably more powerful solvent than ordinary water. The chemistry texts teach us that a solvent is more powerful when there is already a small quantity of something disolved in it. Also as far as a solvet goes the difference between 0 ppm and 90 ppm is quantitatively minute. Is there a 3d chemistry explanation as to why distilled water would be significantly more powerful as a solvent or are we talking about the memory and life force type effects only? Could we be talking about buffering effects caused by the minerals? In any case once the distilled water enters your stomache now it has all sorts of things disolved in it and I'm sure the TDS will instantly become orders of magnitude higher than what we were talking about when it was in the glass before we drank it. Withen seconds it's disolving digestive acids, enzymes, lasagna and blackberry cobbler (on a good day). So as soon as it passes our lips, distilled water it is not. Or if we use distilled water to make our tea, now we have made a strong solution so we wouldn't expect that to strip out any minerals right? Or if we have a glass of whole milk and then a glass of distilled water, what's in the stomache is more like skim milk and not very much like distilled water at all.

In addition, for water to get from our intestines to our blood and tissues (presumably where the leaching occurs) doesn't it have to pass through semi-permeable cell wall membranes through ossmosis? Wouldn't this result in the water being purified and stripped of most or all of the minerals it carried originally? I'm stretching to remember how these mechanisms work so correct me if I am mistaken on my physiology. Our blood is a strong solution whether or not we drink distilled water. Could we measure the difference in the TDS of the blood while drinking only distilled water and how big could that possibly be? Chemically speaking regarding solvent potential and saturation a solvent doesn't care too much what is dissolved in it does it? Even if we go into mineral deficite the blood has so many other things disolved in it that the strength of the solvent seems like it would stay withen some narrow parameters.

I'm just struggling to grok the mechanism behind the stripping of minerals. I get kind of feeling that there is an oversimplification in this idea meant to satisfy the non-science majors.

Looked at from a social programing perspective and a qui bono angle, we know that public water systems are a mechanism of control. Someone worked hard to get all those contaminants into our water and those peoples' aims would be diluted by people purifying their water. Some people seem to be afraid of pure water. Does anyone else see a possible program running here?

Finally, I like the sound of the photonic water systems but the information about it's purification action seems pretty ambiguous. Can anybody bring forward anything concrete on this?

All questions and no answers from me today, my instinct says take the middle path.

Seeking greater illumination.

Best post on the thread, imo.

Distilled water DOES NOT LEACH anything from your body! Anyone who says it does had better state the process by which it can do so step by step.

that's easy. distilled water goes in, urine with lots of minerals among other stuff comes out. what exactly happens inbetween doesn't really matter here but the water doesn't just flow through the body and its cell membranes and comes out again unchanged. otherwise urine would taste like distilled water. what matters is that the water has picked up lots of good and some bad things while in your body and carries them out (urine is basically filtered blood, not ingested water). that's leaching for you.

My urine is ~2700 ppm and is in a very drinkable state, after 5 weeks at >4L per day I am well past the 'auw' factor... as it is getting consumed daily in a recycled manner as per Andrew Norton W's discussion. But as per my taking the piss thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?1793-Taking-the-piss-Your-own-best-medicine...) highlights it isn't toxic... I'm now up to 5 weeks of consuming probably between 4 and 5 litres of mainly recycled fresh urine, some distilled water as top ups...

[dddanieljjjamesss]

Most people are confused about

Psychologist vs Psychiatrist

Purified Water vs Distilled Water

The Difference between purified water and distilled water is that purified water has been filter to certain specifations depending on whoever or whatever is filtering the water. It may include different minerals that naturally exist in water. Now Distilled water is what scientist use to do experiments or what you would put into your iron. Distilled water contains absolutely nothing else. It is Pure H2O and when boiled or steamed will leave behind no impurities or minerals. Distilled water can actually kill you if you drink to much of it(1/2 glass). It is prone to bond any minerals get in touch with it like a strong magnet. Because of its property of having nothing else to it, it will cause an imbalance in your cells swell and burst. It has the opposite but same effect of drink sea water. It will dehydrate you. But it is perfect for scientific or cleaning purposes. Not for drinking!



Half a glass can kill you?
I've been drinking at least a gallon a day...

HMMMMMM

[dddanieljjjamesss]

Though Andrew only mentions it briefly, a diet with a lot of RAW LIVING FOODS will keep you up on your mineral content, and what he also has to say about the ELECTRIC CHARGE of distilled waters vs regular waters should be the second clue to help you grok.

[gripreaper]

Though Andrew only mentions it briefly, a diet with a lot of RAW LIVING FOODS will keep you up on your mineral content, and what he also has to say about the ELECTRIC CHARGE of distilled waters vs regular waters should be the second clue to help you grok.

It does seem ironic. The process of distillation is the process of nature, the most natural process on earth. Water evaporates from the ocean, forms clouds, rains down upon the earth, travels through the rivers and returns to the ocean. THIS PROCESS is distillation.

So, to take water, evaporate it and condense it, is the same thing nature does naturally every moment of every day. The Philosopher's Stone is the process of accelerating nature and gathering life force from the very purest of distillates from the body.

I don't see where the problem is, and why emulating nature should be questioned as not safe.

[Ceedub]

Water, as the stuff of life is very important but I can't quite figure where I come down on this distillation issue. On the one hand the stripping of valuable minerals makes good sense but on the other, there obviously are some disolved solids I would prefer to avoid, especially the radioactive ones which can't be removed with regular filtration. I've been drinking RO water for years now and it has been treating me fine (as far as I can tell??). My low end system produces water around 20 ppm and my tap water is about 90 ppm.

Water is the universal solvent yes, but what I'm confused about is why distilled water would be a measurably more powerful solvent than ordinary water. The chemistry texts teach us that a solvent is more powerful when there is already a small quantity of something disolved in it. Also as far as a solvet goes the difference between 0 ppm and 90 ppm is quantitatively minute. Is there a 3d chemistry explanation as to why distilled water would be significantly more powerful as a solvent or are we talking about the memory and life force type effects only? Could we be talking about buffering effects caused by the minerals? In any case once the distilled water enters your stomache now it has all sorts of things disolved in it and I'm sure the TDS will instantly become orders of magnitude higher than what we were talking about when it was in the glass before we drank it. Withen seconds it's disolving digestive acids, enzymes, lasagna and blackberry cobbler (on a good day). So as soon as it passes our lips, distilled water it is not. Or if we use distilled water to make our tea, now we have made a strong solution so we wouldn't expect that to strip out any minerals right? Or if we have a glass of whole milk and then a glass of distilled water, what's in the stomache is more like skim milk and not very much like distilled water at all.

In addition, for water to get from our intestines to our blood and tissues (presumably where the leaching occurs) doesn't it have to pass through semi-permeable cell wall membranes through ossmosis? Wouldn't this result in the water being purified and stripped of most or all of the minerals it carried originally? I'm stretching to remember how these mechanisms work so correct me if I am mistaken on my physiology. Our blood is a strong solution whether or not we drink distilled water. Could we measure the difference in the TDS of the blood while drinking only distilled water and how big could that possibly be? Chemically speaking regarding solvent potential and saturation a solvent doesn't care too much what is dissolved in it does it? Even if we go into mineral deficite the blood has so many other things disolved in it that the strength of the solvent seems like it would stay withen some narrow parameters.

I'm just struggling to grok the mechanism behind the stripping of minerals. I get kind of feeling that there is an oversimplification in this idea meant to satisfy the non-science majors.

Looked at from a social programing perspective and a qui bono angle, we know that public water systems are a mechanism of control. Someone worked hard to get all those contaminants into our water and those peoples' aims would be diluted by people purifying their water. Some people seem to be afraid of pure water. Does anyone else see a possible program running here?

Finally, I like the sound of the photonic water systems but the information about it's purification action seems pretty ambiguous. Can anybody bring forward anything concrete on this?

All questions and no answers from me today, my instinct says take the middle path.

Seeking greater illumination.

Best post on the thread, imo.

Distilled water DOES NOT LEACH anything from your body! Anyone who says it does had better state the process by which it can do so step by step.

that's easy. distilled water goes in, urine with lots of minerals among other stuff comes out. what exactly happens inbetween doesn't really matter here but the water doesn't just flow through the body and its cell membranes and comes out again unchanged. otherwise urine would taste like distilled water. what matters is that the water has picked up lots of good and some bad things while in your body and carries them out (urine is basically filtered blood, not ingested water). that's leaching for you.

I guess my response I posted earlier got lost to the ether. If it comes back later please forgive the double post.

What is easy for you, I am struggling with. Forgive my simple mind but your explanation, "what matters is that the water has picked up lots of good and some bad things while in your body and carries them out", doesn't tell me anything about distilled water. If I understand you correctly, I should avoid water altogether, never mind distilled or not.

I'm not sure that I am prepared to accept that "what happens in between doesn't matter here". Is that an informed statement, like you understand what happens in between and you are assuring me it doesn't matter?

The implied conclusion seems to be that distilled water (or all water?) strips minerals from the body and is therefore harmful to drink. How you got there, I'm left to wonder. For me to share your conclusion, well I seem to be lacking a necessary logical element that you have.

Perhaps you could elaborate and share with me what makes it "easy" for you while I can only struggle to come to the same conclusion.

I am unable to see how your post addresses any of the questions I asked previously except I should ignore the inbetween.

[Ceedub]

Though Andrew only mentions it briefly, a diet with a lot of RAW LIVING FOODS will keep you up on your mineral content, and what he also has to say about the ELECTRIC CHARGE of distilled waters vs regular waters should be the second clue to help you grok.

Was there a link I missed? What is the difference with the charges?

CW

[dddanieljjjamesss]

Though Andrew only mentions it briefly, a diet with a lot of RAW LIVING FOODS will keep you up on your mineral content, and what he also has to say about the ELECTRIC CHARGE of distilled waters vs regular waters should be the second clue to help you grok.

Was there a link I missed? What is the difference with the charges?

CW


I'm not sure which 2hr long interview it was in, but I've watched two of them and he mentions raw food very briefly. The minerals and vitamins inside raw fruit and vegetables are still alive, still carrying a negative charge much like distilled water and your blood. He mentions that the only minerals that can be leeched out are the ones that are positively charged such as heavy metals like mercury or aluminum. And what I remember from Dan Winter's work is that a healthy human with healthy cells are negatively charged, and that you tend to see positive charge around diseased areas or cancers.

I've been experimenting with raw foods in the past few months, and stumbled upon ANW's information at the same exact time, and it makes sense based on how I have *felt* with the raw foods, and what I intellectually know about juicing as well. I haven't been very strict with my diet, and have been smoking cigarettes again so I have stopped drinking my own waters, but I was for about week, and I definitely felt positive changes. I'm still drinking close to a gallon of distilled water a day for more than a month, and I haven't exploded or degenerated into nothing yet, I just pee more.

If y'all are on facebook, search "Changing my DNA." It's a woman with diabetes who has been drinking her own urine for almost a whole year. Follow her stream, she's a great example of what can happen with this information.

When I have the resources, I plan on filtering, distilling, and then vortexing my water for optimal health. I may switch back and forth between drinking the pure distilled water, and then water that has been re-mineralized and vortex spun. That would be the best way to mimic nature wouldn't it? To flip back and forth between the two waters? Much like we would have drank from the sky, and the streams, at different times.

[ringwood]

I've been told that giving Reiki to your water helps bring alive it's best properties. Anyone had experience with this?

[Ceedub]

Though Andrew only mentions it briefly, a diet with a lot of RAW LIVING FOODS will keep you up on your mineral content, and what he also has to say about the ELECTRIC CHARGE of distilled waters vs regular waters should be the second clue to help you grok.

Was there a link I missed? What is the difference with the charges?

CW


I'm not sure which 2hr long interview it was in, but I've watched two of them and he mentions raw food very briefly. The minerals and vitamins inside raw fruit and vegetables are still alive, still carrying a negative charge much like distilled water and your blood. He mentions that the only minerals that can be leeched out are the ones that are positively charged such as heavy metals like mercury or aluminum. And what I remember from Dan Winter's work is that a healthy human with healthy cells are negatively charged, and that you tend to see positive charge around diseased areas or cancers.

I've been experimenting with raw foods in the past few months, and stumbled upon ANW's information at the same exact time, and it makes sense based on how I have *felt* with the raw foods, and what I intellectually know about juicing as well. I haven't been very strict with my diet, and have been smoking cigarettes again so I have stopped drinking my own waters, but I was for about week, and I definitely felt positive changes. I'm still drinking close to a gallon of distilled water a day for more than a month, and I haven't exploded or degenerated into nothing yet, I just pee more.

If y'all are on facebook, search "Changing my DNA." It's a woman with diabetes who has been drinking her own urine for almost a whole year. Follow her stream, she's a great example of what can happen with this information.

When I have the resources, I plan on filtering, distilling, and then vortexing my water for optimal health. I may switch back and forth between drinking the pure distilled water, and then water that has been re-mineralized and vortex spun. That would be the best way to mimic nature wouldn't it? To flip back and forth between the two waters? Much like we would have drank from the sky, and the streams, at different times.

Thanks for the reply. I can't catch all the long videos and such due to some temporary data restriction issues. That all sounds about right to me though. I've read also that pathogenic organisms will carry positive charges as well. They also tend to be anaerobic which I would guess is related to the charge.

It would make sense that distilled water would have a stronger negative charge overall since each molecule carries a partial negative charge and anything you disolve in will tend toward balancing that charge (I think). There are lots of positively charged minerals though. If you disolve and thus ionize NaCL you get Na+ and Cl-. So there are alot of elements, wanted and unwanted that carry positive charges in their ionic form ie cations (Ca, Mg, K, Al, Hg) come to mind. I'm just talking freshman chemistry here so I'm not sure what form they would actually be found in the body or about their relative dissociation potentials. I'm thinking, and I hope somebody knows more than I on all this chemistry, that a negative charge would be associated with an alkeline state since an acid solution has available H+ ions. So again, cancer, pathogens etc are all associated with the acid state. I guess it's all related. Acid, charge, oxygen. I just know in general that water and oxygen ought to be the first place we look for wellness since these define our planet and our organism. Well the first place in 3d I mean.

One thing I do is bubble ozone (O3 thus a strong partial negative charge and a loose O) in a glass of water before I drink it. It kind of makes me feel like I have etheric champagne bubbles in my head, in a good way. It super oxegenates the water which I think is related to what we are talking about here. I do this with oils as well to make a fantastic antiseptic ointment. I read somewhere that metals and toxins that are stuck in the tissues, when oxydized can now be easily rinsed out in the normal ways.

I want to have exactly the setup you described for water; filter (RO), distill, structure and optionally remineralize depending whether I'm trying to gain minerals or cleanse toxins. Right now I only have the RO filter. Oooh yea plus the ozone, just like mamma makes it. I think there is something to be said for drinking beautiful springwater straight from the earth as well. There is a natural spring nearby that comes up in the middle of town through a spigot for people to fill their jugs. I should take advantage of that more often. Any water that isn't from an ancient source is a hazard until purified in these times imho.

Let's not forget also to say a few kind words to our water before we drink it, I think it makes all the difference.

[Ceedub]

I've been told that giving Reiki to your water helps bring alive it's best properties. Anyone had experience with this?

I'm not trained in Reiki, I wish I were, but all I can say is "The Hidden Messages in Water" Masaru Emoto.

[Connecting with Sauce]

One thing I do is bubble ozone (O3 thus a strong partial negative charge and a loose O) in a glass of water before I drink it. It kind of makes me feel like I have etheric champagne bubbles in my head, in a good way. It super oxegenates the water which I think is related to what we are talking about here. I do this with oils as well to make a fantastic antiseptic ointment. I read somewhere that metals and toxins that are stuck in the tissues, when oxydized can now be easily rinsed out in the normal ways.


If you use ice cube (distilled water of course) and load the glass with ice, when you bubble the ozone through it holds more ozone in the water...

It is quite effective oxygen therapy infact... One morning after drink one pint of the stuff... I coughed up a dark green mucus ball on the way to work... ~45 minutes afterwards...

http://educate-yourself.org/ozone/

[Ceedub]

One thing I do is bubble ozone (O3 thus a strong partial negative charge and a loose O) in a glass of water before I drink it. It kind of makes me feel like I have etheric champagne bubbles in my head, in a good way. It super oxegenates the water which I think is related to what we are talking about here. I do this with oils as well to make a fantastic antiseptic ointment. I read somewhere that metals and toxins that are stuck in the tissues, when oxydized can now be easily rinsed out in the normal ways.


If you use ice cube (distilled water of course) and load the glass with ice, when you bubble the ozone through it holds more ozone in the water...

It is quite effective oxygen therapy infact... One morning after drink one pint of the stuff... I coughed up a dark green mucus ball on the way to work... ~45 minutes afterwards...

http://educate-yourself.org/ozone/

Thanks CWSauce, I'll try that. There's alot of good tips on that link, it' one of my favorite sites for that kind of info. I love using ozone and I'm always experimenting with new ways to use it, I do alot with the oil and it's just amazing what it does, can't be overstated. The site mentioned UV as a way to generate ozone. I wonder about storing your distilled water under a UV light. It seems like it might have structuring effects as well. That gives me an inspiration about using light and sound for structuring instead or in addition to vorticing. I've been studying sacred geometry lately and trying to apply what I learn to everything in creative ways. I've been making lots of magic potions and creams lately and using phi to determine ratios in the recepies for example. I'll have to go think on it for a while but I'm inspired to try something combining sacred geometry and water structuring with light and sound. Anyone have any ideas on this?

CW

[meat suit]

interesting stuff this Ozone...
whats the recommended generator? got a link?

cheers

meat

[Connecting with Sauce]

interesting stuff this Ozone...
whats the recommended generator? got a link?

cheers

meat

This is a show on Ozone therapy...

http://www.oneradionetwork.com/healing-modalites/peter-jovanovic-professor-ozone-march-28-2011-2/


I personally have a aquarium ozonator I got from ebay for I think £15 inc postage... :) it probably is not the recommendation on the link above however... A good listen.

[cloud9]

I posted this two videos in a new thread called "Water: The great mystery" but I'd like to share them here as many people interested in water as a healing source and more come to this thread.

GlWboI_0obk

I'm sorry, I just couldn't upload the second one, it says that it has been removed... please watch this one before it's gone.

[Ceedub]

interesting stuff this Ozone...
whats the recommended generator? got a link?

cheers

meat

Hi Meat,

I have an oxygenius from the Dr Clark site. I had to rewire it because it had a useless and annoying shutoff timer on it. It's great now but there must be a better one. Worth the investment though.

[eva08]

I use 3% food grade hydrogen peroxide, about 1 dropper full per glass and supplement with vitamins. The water residues that our Waterwise distiller filters is a light brown soup, sometimes white loose powder, sometimes calcified deposits. Our bees and dogs also drink distilled water and are much less sick. There is no way I could even consider drinking chlorinated, fluoridated water; even the local water reports show mercury and arsenic and other "goodies".
I believe, blessing the water will restore much vitality.

[Ceedub]

I stumbled on a very interesting paper that expounds many issues being discussed here. There is information here that can help us make best use of our distilled water. I've pulled out some quotes but you should really give the paper a closer look.

http://www.nhtglobal.com/pdf/ClusterPlus_NJInstituteAbstract.pdf


Our hypothesis is that the
structured water cluster may be not only an excellent
carrier for nutrition and energy, but also an excellent
carrier for low frequency information. Our preliminary
study has shown that low frequency electromagnetic
radiation treated clustered water has many attractive
biological functions. It is thus important to understand
how to modify the structure of water clusters, and store
and transfer the low resonant frequency to living cells.
This paper presents some related results.


Refering to accupuncture meridians:


A recent
simulation study of biophysical features along
meridians on a gel model suggests that the specific
biophysical feature along meridians may be caused by a
continuous rich distribution of interstitial fluid [6]. We
are interested in exploring the nature of the “interstitial
fluid”. Water constitutes a larger fraction (over 60%) of
the human body, especially the brain and neural system.
It is reasonable to hypothesize that it might be the water
associated with proteins which creates cluster wire
networks such as a meridian system for the transduction
of bio-signals.



According to ancient Chinese philosophy, water
may contain seasonal messages, such as bio-clock
information. Natural snow water, spring rain and dew
were recognized to promote human health for
thousands of years. Homeopathy, the western
traditional medicine, also indicates that ultra-diluted
water may remember the bioactivity from naturally
occurring substances, such as botanicals, influencing
cell signaling.


Anybody fancy a cool glass of dew water?


...vigorously shaking water solutions of an antibody could
evoke a biological response, even when that antibody
was diluted out of theoretical existence.



17O-NMR analysis
indicates that clustered water has a relative narrow half
value of resonance frequency (74-98 HZ), comparable
to melting snow water.



Using an in vitro testing system, results showed
that clustered water significantly inhibited the growth
of several infectious bacterial strains, over a broad
range of pH values (similar to those found within the
human body). Among the bacterial populations
showing positive inhibition were: E. coli,
Staphylococcus aureus and Candida albicans - some
very serious disease-causing organisms. No inhibition
was found with Penicillium and Aspergillus.



Compared to distilled
water, this “extremely pure” clustered water possesses
many beneficial functions, such as anti-bacteria, antioxidant,
immune stimulation, balancing of intra- and
extra-cellular water metabolism, and stabilization of
blood sugar level activity. The impressive
characteristics of this clustered water is that the starting
water vapor is passed across a magnetic field, treated
by laser, stabilized with certain trace metals and
templated with a low resonant frequency [9,10]. It leads
us to hypothesize that clustered water may store and
hold for long periods of time the frequencies needed to
induce biological change. It may be this resonant
frequency, which exhibits resonance with cytoplasmic
water, which induces accelerated cellular water turnover,
resulting in improved intracellar water levels,
contributing to bio-signaling transduction functions.



quantum brain theory also pointed out that ordered
water might play an important role in biological
quantum coherence essential for living systems and
consciousness. He also emphasized that Cytoplasmic
water has unique characteristics related to being a
major component of a living organism - the water is
somehow alive.



Our tested clustered water was
claimed to have a six-ring shape by the inventor,
Lorenzen [9,10]. Furthermore he cooperated with
Masaru Emoto to obtain six-ring macrocrystal photos
similar to the shape of organized snowflakes under a
microscope...


I hope some of you are as intrigued by this as I am.

CW

[The Truth Is In There]

Water, as the stuff of life is very important but I can't quite figure where I come down on this distillation issue. On the one hand the stripping of valuable minerals makes good sense but on the other, there obviously are some disolved solids I would prefer to avoid, especially the radioactive ones which can't be removed with regular filtration. I've been drinking RO water for years now and it has been treating me fine (as far as I can tell??). My low end system produces water around 20 ppm and my tap water is about 90 ppm.

Water is the universal solvent yes, but what I'm confused about is why distilled water would be a measurably more powerful solvent than ordinary water. The chemistry texts teach us that a solvent is more powerful when there is already a small quantity of something disolved in it. Also as far as a solvet goes the difference between 0 ppm and 90 ppm is quantitatively minute. Is there a 3d chemistry explanation as to why distilled water would be significantly more powerful as a solvent or are we talking about the memory and life force type effects only? Could we be talking about buffering effects caused by the minerals? In any case once the distilled water enters your stomache now it has all sorts of things disolved in it and I'm sure the TDS will instantly become orders of magnitude higher than what we were talking about when it was in the glass before we drank it. Withen seconds it's disolving digestive acids, enzymes, lasagna and blackberry cobbler (on a good day). So as soon as it passes our lips, distilled water it is not. Or if we use distilled water to make our tea, now we have made a strong solution so we wouldn't expect that to strip out any minerals right? Or if we have a glass of whole milk and then a glass of distilled water, what's in the stomache is more like skim milk and not very much like distilled water at all.

In addition, for water to get from our intestines to our blood and tissues (presumably where the leaching occurs) doesn't it have to pass through semi-permeable cell wall membranes through ossmosis? Wouldn't this result in the water being purified and stripped of most or all of the minerals it carried originally? I'm stretching to remember how these mechanisms work so correct me if I am mistaken on my physiology. Our blood is a strong solution whether or not we drink distilled water. Could we measure the difference in the TDS of the blood while drinking only distilled water and how big could that possibly be? Chemically speaking regarding solvent potential and saturation a solvent doesn't care too much what is dissolved in it does it? Even if we go into mineral deficite the blood has so many other things disolved in it that the strength of the solvent seems like it would stay withen some narrow parameters.

I'm just struggling to grok the mechanism behind the stripping of minerals. I get kind of feeling that there is an oversimplification in this idea meant to satisfy the non-science majors.

Looked at from a social programing perspective and a qui bono angle, we know that public water systems are a mechanism of control. Someone worked hard to get all those contaminants into our water and those peoples' aims would be diluted by people purifying their water. Some people seem to be afraid of pure water. Does anyone else see a possible program running here?

Finally, I like the sound of the photonic water systems but the information about it's purification action seems pretty ambiguous. Can anybody bring forward anything concrete on this?

All questions and no answers from me today, my instinct says take the middle path.

Seeking greater illumination.

Best post on the thread, imo.

Distilled water DOES NOT LEACH anything from your body! Anyone who says it does had better state the process by which it can do so step by step.

that's easy. distilled water goes in, urine with lots of minerals among other stuff comes out. what exactly happens inbetween doesn't really matter here but the water doesn't just flow through the body and its cell membranes and comes out again unchanged. otherwise urine would taste like distilled water. what matters is that the water has picked up lots of good and some bad things while in your body and carries them out (urine is basically filtered blood, not ingested water). that's leaching for you.

I guess my response I posted earlier got lost to the ether. If it comes back later please forgive the double post.

What is easy for you, I am struggling with. Forgive my simple mind but your explanation, "what matters is that the water has picked up lots of good and some bad things while in your body and carries them out", doesn't tell me anything about distilled water. If I understand you correctly, I should avoid water altogether, never mind distilled or not.

I'm not sure that I am prepared to accept that "what happens in between doesn't matter here". Is that an informed statement, like you understand what happens in between and you are assuring me it doesn't matter?

The implied conclusion seems to be that distilled water (or all water?) strips minerals from the body and is therefore harmful to drink. How you got there, I'm left to wonder. For me to share your conclusion, well I seem to be lacking a necessary logical element that you have.

Perhaps you could elaborate and share with me what makes it "easy" for you while I can only struggle to come to the same conclusion.

I am unable to see how your post addresses any of the questions I asked previously except I should ignore the inbetween.

nope you shouldn't avoid water. water should contain things the body needs such as minerals and trace elements and not nothing.

i'm quite aware of what "happens inbetween" and for this discussion it's of no consequence. what matters is that along with water "nothing" goes in and "something" comes out. that "something" is mostly "good" stuff and a little "bad" but unless the body is continually supplied with enough of the good stuff through other means (food) while consuming distilled water it will eventually lack some of the stuff that gets removed in the urine.

it should make sense that not all water strips minerals from the body. if water that is richer in minerals than the urine (and sweat) is consumed then the body gets supplied by the water, not stripped. the mistaken idea that some people have is that minerals from "hard" water are the reason for arteriosclerosis, kidney stones or other stuff that has minerals as the culprits. what they miss is that the body is self-regulating and if certain things don't end up where they're supposed to it's always due to a lack of other things (due to wrong nutrition) which are necessary to guide the minerals to where they're needed (certain vitamins for the formation of enzymes come to mind).

[Rolci]

When I have the resources, I plan on filtering, distilling, and then vortexing my water for optimal health. I may switch back and forth between drinking the pure distilled water, and then water that has been re-mineralized and vortex spun. That would be the best way to mimic nature wouldn't it? To flip back and forth between the two waters? Much like we would have drank from the sky, and the streams, at different times.

I think this about sums up this most intriguing 6-page thread. We have seen here everything from activated carbon filter jugs and reverse osmosis filters through distillation to re-charging and energisation through magnet treatment, singing bowls, vortex and blessing. We have seen alternatives like juicing and urine therapy.

This thread is most definitely worth reviving for all to learn from.

My personal take after reading the entire thread and many others on the Avalon forum and elsewhere and years of research?

Drink from a stream for the minerals, and once in a while do a 3-7-day dry fast OR a water fast with rain water. Forget tap water and bottled water, they all have plastic particles in them. If you're worried about the quality of rain water in your area, use a combination of treatment methods found in this thread. To catch rain water it is best to line the roof with metal plates and when it rains always discard the first 10 minutes' of collected rain, by keeping the collection mechanism disconnected, and only connect after 10 minutes of rainfall when most of the dust and stuff from the collection area has been cleared. You can then filter it etc. If you have no access to stream water but want natural water with minerals, use the rain collection method and add Celtic or Himalayan salt.
Finally, if you live in a flat... MOVE. Flats and skyscrapers are built all over the world in mass numbers to disconnect the entire population from Mother Earth. No access to natural water, no garden, no grounding, no chance to take control, buy your own solar panels and go off grid.

[Pris]

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BREAKING: Elon Musk Threatens Suit Against 'Digital Hate Group' CCDH, Calls Out Their 'Research' as Baseless Propaganda


https://greenmedinfo.com/sites/default/files/ckeditor/Sayer%20Ji/images/Screen%20Shot%202023-08-01%20at%2012_10_19%20AM.png


https://greenmedinfo.com/blog/breaking-elon-musk-threatens-suit-against-digital-hate-group-ccdh-calls-out-their


The Center for Countering Digital Hate (CCDH) is having a really bad month.

After enjoying a few years of virtually unchallenged malign political influence over the American people, with a focus on suppressing protected speech, and even creating a digital hit list in order to target, defame, and deplatform 12 individuals, myself included, in collusion with political operatives within the US government itself, a growing number of organizations and individuals are now both waking and standing up to this foreign, dark money, influence operation, making it clear that their particularly nasty brand of astroturfing will no longer be tolerated.

continue reading . . . . (https://greenmedinfo.com/blog/breaking-elon-musk-threatens-suit-against-digital-hate-group-ccdh-calls-out-their)


Very interesting. It's good groups like CCDH are being called out.

What I'd like to say is a little off-topic but just thought I'd squeeze it in.

The "Disinformation Dozen" (plus) being targeted... I'm not all that familiar with them but I do notice Dr. Mercola is on the list... meaning he's supposedly one of the "good guys". What I know about him tells me the opposite. Years back, he was part of a major disinfo campaign to scare people into not drinking distilled water (while pushing his own water filter systems).

Drinking pure distilled water (aka rain water/precipitation and/or machine distilled) is one of the best (if not the best), healthiest things we can do for our bodies.

Mercola's "Early death comes from drinking distilled water" is still out there. It's not easy to know these days who are really the "good guys" and the "bad guys", that's for sure -- but that's a big red flag. 80/20 disinfo agents posing as good guys can do great harm when they're telling you that, for example, the best water in the world to drink for health is actually dangerous. I've been drinking distilled water consistently -- up to a gallon a day -- for over a decade now. I'm not dead, and from what I can tell, I'm very healthy.

Those saying distilled water is "robbing the body of minerals" do not make the distinction between organic and inorganic minerals. Yes, distilled water removes dead, positively charged minerals/materials/debris/waste from the body that are detrimental to our health (causes buildup of deposits in tissue, arthritis, hardening of the arteries, bacterial and fungal growth/cancer etc.). The point is, distilled water is negatively charged -- it does not rob the body and the body's cells of the organic minerals we need because all that is healthy and living within us is negatively charged. Negative repels negative. So, it is impossible for distilled water to rob our bodies of the organic minerals we require (which we get in abundance from living raw fruits and vegetables, seeds and nuts).

Distilled water is clean and has a negative charge (active) because it is not loaded down with positively charged dissolved solids and debris. A car's electric battery requires pure water to work properly. Our electric bodies continuously require pure water for the same reason. The distilled water "latches on" to anything in our bodies that's positively charged allowing the body to remove it.

It makes sense that drinking pure water is absolutely the most fundamental thing to living a healthy life. You remove that and disease will come.

Link to post:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?80790-Internet-Censorship-So-it-continues...&p=1570142&viewfull=1#post1570142

[norman]

I've been stuck on that very issue for over 5 years since I bought a smallish water distiller.

I heard the talk, can't remember if Mercola was one of them, about sucking out minerals and it made me stop in my tracks, but the thing that made me put the distiller away in a cupboard ( to this day ) was realising how much electric power it used.

While I'm at it I have a question ( because I'm now thinking of getting it out and using it ). Why does the manufacturer of my distiller want to sell me a regular supply of 'carbon' filters to put in the water output spout of the distiller ?

Can I just ignore that and drink the water as it comes ?

[Pris]

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I've been stuck on that very issue for over 5 years since I bought a smallish water distiller.

I heard the talk, can't remember if Mercola was one of them, about sucking out minerals and it made me stop in my tracks, but the thing that made me put the distiller away in a cupboard ( to this day ) was realising how much electric power it used.

While I'm at it I have a question ( because I'm now thinking of getting it out and using it ). Why does the manufacturer of my distiller want to sell me a regular supply of 'carbon' filters to put in the water output spout of the distiller ?

Can I just ignore that and drink the water as it comes ?


Great question. Whether or not you decide to use carbon filters (before or after) the distilling process will entirely depend on the quality of the water you are distilling. You can tell by how the distilled water tastes -- if it has an off taste, like a plastic chemical.

Depending on where you live, your water may have VOCs in it (volatile organic compounds). They are what can make distilled water taste off. The distiller is designed to vent those VOCs at the top of the steam cycle (generally through a tiny hole at the top of the metal cooling coil). That may be enough to get rid of the VOCs. If not, then you might want to use a carbon filter (pre or post) to remove the taste.

From what I've learned, the bad taste doesn't mean the distilled water is bad to drink. It's still good water so long as the ppm (parts per million) are near zero.

(To get rid of the taste, use activated charcoal. You can even make/refill your own filters by buying the charcoal by itself. eg. I've bought activated charcoal in bulk meant for use in aquarium filter systems.)

I happen to be on well water (which I think is, generally, way better than municipal water because of all the chemicals they add) and, fortunately at my location, I can distill the water without the need for a carbon filter.

There's something else you can try, which I have as a backup to my distiller (and when the weather gets too hot to run the distiller). It's the Zero water filter. These filters are not cheap (so I don't know you'd save money vs using electricity to distill water) but they're great. If you can't find them where you live, you can order them online. These filters remove all the dissolved solids in water to zero ppm. The only thing it can't do is remove bacteria. So, I keep my Zero filter canister in the fridge to keep bacterial growth to a minimum. How long the filter lasts will depend on the water quality in your region. Mine lasts about a month between two people drinking about two gallons per day.


This is what I have:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/7a/1c/01/7a1c013983cb279efe27002e062ddf19.png

Note: the ppm reader they include isn't best and started to malfunction, but I already had my own ppm reader from making my own colloidal silver.

https://www.amazon.ca/ZeroWater-Ready-Pour-Dispenser-Filter-Pitcher/dp/B083KY2FZB/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=zero+pitcher&qid=1690931925&sr=8-4



One other option is to get a reverse osmosis filter system, but it's not cheap. It can produce water to about 4 ppm which is pretty good (but not as good as distilled). It's convenient "water on tap". It's usually installed under the sink. It uses a filter system so those filters will need to always be replaced. And, like the Zero filter, they can't remove bacteria and can succumb to bacterial growth.



If you're interested, here's a bit of info on distilled water and Urine Therapy (related subject):


Here's a link to Andrew Norton Webber's site:

https://www.aquariusthewaterbearer.com/


And, here's one of the best interviews with Andrew Norton Webber (Note: I swear the view count was double a decade ago. Appears to be shadow banned.):

Andrew Norton Webber w' Lisa Harrison


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_msWtSljFQw

[Pris]

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Note: I think it's worth spending a bit of money for a decent, all metal countertop water distiller or a standing version. Some are manual water feed, others are automatic.

[CaptnNemo]

I have been drinking distilled pure H2O water for 4 years now. No health issues in sight for now. And the taste is just awesome because guess what, real pure water taste nothing!! I get my minerals in food and supplements. Best decision I've made health wise since!! :bigsmile:

[Pris]

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I have been drinking distilled pure H2O water for 4 years now. No health issues in sight for now. And the taste is just awesome because guess what, real pure water taste nothing!! I get my minerals in food and supplements. Best decision I've made health wise since!! :bigsmile:


That's fantastic, good for you! ^_^

Perhaps of interest... as I mentioned in post #116, there is a difference between organic vs inorganic minerals... When you mention you get your minerals from food and supplements, it's the question of the quality of supplements.

Years ago, I used to buy all those "vitamins and minerals" off the shelf because we were told we needed them for one reason or another. These days, I'm thinking we may have been conned. Unless the supplements state on the label that they come from organic sources and are made by some company independent of globalist oversight, I'm thinking that practically everything else is meant to harm us (while stealing our money). Since pretty much everything the globalists have "sold" us has been detrimental to our health, why would this be any different. Snake oil.

Being vegan, I've always keep some B12 on hand... and even that I have to wonder about -- making sure the source isn't animal-derived on top of everything else. I also keep some vitamin C but even that is questionable considering the process in which it is generally made. Then, I have some D3, Zinc, and Magnesium. Anyway, these days I rarely take any supplements anymore because I don't trust any of it. The way I'm going, most of it will likely end up in the garbage.