Bill Ryan visits James Gilliland's ECETI Ranch

[giovonni]

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Greetings ...

From 'Up at the Ranch' http://factoryjoe.s3.amazonaws.com/emoticons/emoticon-0142-happy.gif

Well low and behold ... Guess who's coming for dinner tonight...https://encrypted-tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTJ0wODs1hcMPmZKOejLibxZJJXF5e1fvauMdCU5qeH1KawJSNCpA

That's right... Mr. Bill Ryan himself has just arrived at the Eceti Ranch !http://factoryjoe.s3.amazonaws.com/emoticons/emoticon-0137-clapping.gif
And note ~ Bill will be a special guest on James "As You Wish" BBS radio program this evening ...
So go to the link below and tune in live at 8 PM PST in about two hours:
https://encrypted-tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR_aqGOeuS4tG3_Pv7Tubm_A3JV30YCrc6lh11u3_3BZ9Uhi14w
http://www.bbsradio.com/bbs_talk_radio_station1.php

Here's a link to the recorded radio program ~ courtesy of Bill Ryan :thumb:
http://projectavalon.net/Bill_Ryan_James_Gilliland_As_You_Wish_Talk_Radio_12_May_2012.mp3

[ThePythonicCow]

I changed "visit" to "visits" in the thread title -- so it would read like a statement of a delightful fact, rather than an order :).

If I'm reading my clock correctly, the above radio show should start in about 7 minutes!

[ghostrider]

awesome bill the hat ryan, up at the ranch. I wish I was there with them.

[Ernie Nemeth]

So figgin' cool. Go Bill!

[apokalypse]

great interview so far...Bill Ryan spot on about about Saviors and about Ron Paul elected could be silent by these Cabal even if he elected.

[Star Tsar]

Oh no looks like I missed it! :(

[Ernie Nemeth]

Almost could swear I was there, walking in the dark with Bill.
Really cool.

[onawah]

Just missed it. Did anyone record it so latecomers can hear the recorded conversation?

[noprophet]

Here's the George Green interview Bill mentioned.
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[bennycog]

bill is popping his head up again.. great !
ill hopefully be able to get hold of the interview if someone posts it up here when it is done :)

[Bill Ryan]

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Hi, All:

I popped in to see James Gilliland and his team at very short notice while in the area on a brief trip to the US from Ecuador. My thanks to James, Nate, Jana, Connie, Giovanni et al for all welcoming me so warmly and making me feel so much at home the moment I rolled up.

I was at Trout Lake just once before, with Kerry Cassidy in June 2007 (in an equally brief visit, on a side trip just having interviewed Dan Sherman in Portland). We'd heard the stories about James' ECETI Ranch, and were just hoping that we might possibly see something. We weren't disappointed: we were treated with a spectacular display. We learned that the UFOs put on a show nearly every night.

Right on schedule, they did last night as well: in a two hour skywatch, we saw a number of craft that were 100% definitely not planes or satellites. I was tracking one with night vision goggles, that was very high, much slower than a satellite, and which changed direction in front of my eyes. Another bright fireball went right across the sky from horizon to horizon way faster than a plane: quite a few others varied their brightness apparently in response to telepathic request.

This really does happen -- all the time. James has had aerospace engineers, military officers, and off-duty agents come visit the place, all personally curious. No-one is ever turned away. See Giovanni's excellent long-running thread here:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?3596-Up-At-The-Ranch--James-Gilliland-and-Trout-Lake

The radio show was really just a very enjoyable personal chat between James and myself. We covered quite a range of pertinent material, all ad lib. No idea of the quality. :) If there's an archive, I or Giovanni will certainly post it.

To arrange a visit to the ranch, just e-mail Nate at this address: ecetireservations@gmail.com . (ecetireservations@gmail.com)

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks Bill I stayed up all night to hear the interview , and it was a nice surprise.........Who are they in your opinion E T, secret space programme or mixture of both ??

I know Giovani has put a thread up which is on page 88 and all the info is probably on there.
But it would be nice if you could summarize your thoughts at some point ...Cheers steve


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James on Red Ice a few weeks ago,,,,,,

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[lilac]

Bill, I never doubted it for a minute, but never having seen an off-world craft myself, hearing you say that you saw them brings tears to my eyes. I know you are a very healthy skeptic. The show was great and I really appreciated your questions to James. Both of your voices of reason are so needed and so welcome in these frightening times. Some day I'll make my way to the ranch. It would be a dream come true.

[Christine]

Oh no looks like I missed it! :(

Hi all - I was looking for the link to the archive of last nights show.

The website BBS Radio has archives of all of the shows. Here is the link:

http://www.bbsradio.com/archive_display.php?showname=As_You_Wish_Talk_Radio&begin=0

Last nights show isn't posted yet but it should be within 24 hours. The conversation/ interview (not sure who interviewed who!) was very cool and is well worth listening to. It was refreshing to hear two such sage men talk about the real need to take stock of one's own life path and make the changes, leaps or acts that fulfill our greater human potential.

I felt strongly aligned with the sentiment that just listening to all the talk of military bases being blown up and that the White Hats are going to save us (btw, do they mean all of humankind or just the US?) is a diverting tactic that eats up huge amounts of energy that should be employed in actual manifestation. I loved that Bill said that actual manifestation in either the physical or on the spiritual plane or both, it is all needed.

With gratitude and peace to all.

[Christine]

Here's the download link, just published (needs a login to download):

http://bbsradio.com/sync/As_You_Wish_Talk_Radio/As_You_Wish_Talk_Radio_2012-05-12.mp3

To stream and listen, the link is the top one on this page:

http://bbsradio.com/archive_display.php?showname=As_You_Wish_Talk_Radio&begin=0

[Mystique]

I was at the ranch for George Kavasilas' talk. Pretty amazing place. I too saw craft in the air through night goggles and with the naked eye.

During the drum circle a gal took a photo - which came out regular. Then, a few minutes later when the energy kicked up, she took another photo and there were hundreds, if not thousands of orbs (little balls of light) surrounding us all.

[Maia Gabrial]

I'm looking forward to hearing this interview since I really admire both of these men. Should be an awesome listen....

[onawah]

You have to be a paying subscriber to access BBC radio ($5 per month), but if someone records it and puts it on youtube, then anyone can listen, although I don't know if that is actually legal.
I did a search on youtube, but I don't see it there yet.

[LindyLou22]

:music: I listen to As You Wish radio show almost every Saturday night. I had a hard time getting the show started, and it was the most delightful surprise to hear Bill's familiar voice coming through the interwebs. That was the best show I've heard for a long time, and they're always pretty good. It was a total privilege to hear these two great men sharing their ideas and experiences and challenging each other at times. Bill, your response regarding Obama was just perfect. I was going to write something to James about that, but who the heck am I? You were able to summarize the situation in the perfect nutshell, right there on the spot. Even if I had taken a week to write it, I could never had said that as well. Thank you for that, and everything else you said. Again, what sheer pleasure it was to hear you two converse. I hope you're having one hell of a good time.

[Jean-Luc]

If you'd like to hear an explanation on how UFO's no longer really are UFO's, here's nuclear Engineer's Merhan Keshe take on this :


"The explanation of the principle of the creation of light, and creation of light around the crafts equipped with Magnetic and gravitational positioning systems which have been developed for the use in space travel in conditions like on Earth.

In this fifth movie about his new book, titled: The Universal Order of Creation of Matters, nuclear engineer Mehran Keshe explains in a simple way how light is created. This happens when the magnetosphere of the proton creates interfaces with the magnetosphere of the electron. Then energy fragments are release. This phenomenon is also seen in special plasma reactors. This concept may explain why unidentified flying objects (UFO) have bright light around the craft. Tiny magnetic fields are the real fundamental particles originating from a cosmic magnetic soup. Fields of similar or equal strength can entangle in a dynamic pack. Three packs of such with different strength make the three basic type of Matters (Antimatter, Dark Matter and Matter), and they can interlock to make the Initial fundamental Plasma or Neutron. This neutron can decay into a plasma of a proton and a plasma of an electron, and both still contain parts of the Matters trinity of the original plasma. They have each an individual, and together an overall, magnetospheric condition which is ruled by Magnetic and gravitational fields strengths. This is similar to the inward Gravitational and outward Magnetic fields of Earth. Based on these new first principles prototype reactors were build, with amazing results, like creating lift and motion without burning fuel, and achieve fusion in a simple way. Now it becomes possible to create at any point-of-demand in an affordable way vast amounts of energies (like electricity and heat) and motion, and matters like water, food and new materials (like sp2 and sp3 nano-materials), and to develop new space technology."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxXLyA1msJ0

http://www.keshefoundation.com

[Bill Ryan]

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Here's a free download link:

http://projectavalon.net/Bill_Ryan_James_Gilliland_As_You_Wish_Talk_Radio_12_May_2012.mp3

[astrid]

Cool , thanks Bill !!

[wynderer]

i posted this on the 'Up at the Ranch' thread -- since there is a lot ofinterest in this thread, i thought maybe someone would have the answer to my question below :

i've been looking thru this thread & did some searching on James Gilliland -- can anyone tell me what he has to say about abductions & Reptilians? or does he say they are part of a Human mind control program?

hope someone answers this

[giovonni]

Greetings Avalonian's

First ~ Let me tell you all here what a delightful surprise it was yesterday upon hearing that Bill was coming up for a visit... And i must say and also empathize that Mr. Ryan is a gentleman and the real deal in every sense of the word... And please note ~ James and all of us here are quite stoked in having Bill share his wonderfully energized presence with us all ~ 'Up at the Ranch !

Sending you blessings and love always ~ Bill Ryan

From The Eceti Ranch Crew :thumb:

[wynderer]

still hoping someone will answer....


i posted this on the 'Up at the Ranch' thread -- since there is a lot ofinterest in this thread, i thought maybe someone would have the answer to my question below :

i've been looking thru this thread & did some searching on James Gilliland -- can anyone tell me what he has to say about abductions & Reptilians? or does he say they are part of a Human mind control program?

hope someone answers this

[GoodETxSG]

PROOF/ There is HUMAN technology designed to modify or control certain weak minded people's actions, thoughts and behavior....

Speculation/Belief... this technology came from the only beings in space around us... the Reptilians and Grays... And there are no Good Guys (Alien Hippie AHoles) or other beings waiting for us to reach a certain spiritual level of responsibility to be worth stepping in to offer assistance against theses regressive lower vibration beings with scales or skinny long arms and fingers...

Dig deep in your belief/Spiritual/Alien/Esoteric/RELIGION and decide for yourself.... you are not going to find it in any "Wisdom" from ANY people that post on this site... dig deep within and connect to your higher self and it's connections to the creator GOD. Or live in your lizard controlled reality with no hope... It is up to you as to what it comes down to.

Those that KNOW they KNOW the cold blooded truth of the Lizy overlords that only deceive us to believe there is hope have had your say.

I want to hear from the rest of "HUMANITY"... not the hybrids, clones or "Personality Metamorphs" (Phrase I coined in my upcoming book in progress from the soldier/experiencer point of view being that of an Intell agent helping to misinform the masses."

But go ahead, which of the scenarios have your bought into? Many are curious to hear your convictions and self proclaimed truths...

Use your own mind and discernment, not the words or preachings of others on this or other sites... thruth is situational... what is your situation?

Scales, Lizards, sexual or mental invasions? Or the ones of light and love... GOOD or BAD are:dance: ones that the others have seen NO PROOF of existing? FOOD for thought... not pushing you one way or the other... THINK... PONDER... Meditate... come to your own conclusions... I dare you.

[AnthonyBacala]

still hoping someone will answer....


i posted this on the 'Up at the Ranch' thread -- since there is a lot ofinterest in this thread, i thought maybe someone would have the answer to my question below :

i've been looking thru this thread & did some searching on James Gilliland -- can anyone tell me what he has to say about abductions & Reptilians? or does he say they are part of a Human mind control program?

hope someone answers this

I am very interested in this question as well. Have you thought about directly posting this question to him, rather than wait for second hand accounts?

From the interviews I have seen, he is a very kind, honest man. I believe he would give an honest response, and who knows, he may even be okay with allowing that information to be posted (from the horse's mouth, as they say) on this forum.

EDIT: I just emailed him myself. However, I asked for his permission to post a reply and promised that if it was his choice, I would keep the information from his response private.

[Calz]

still hoping someone will answer....


i posted this on the 'Up at the Ranch' thread -- since there is a lot ofinterest in this thread, i thought maybe someone would have the answer to my question below :

i've been looking thru this thread & did some searching on James Gilliland -- can anyone tell me what he has to say about abductions & Reptilians? or does he say they are part of a Human mind control program?

hope someone answers this

I am very interested in this question as well. Have you thought about directly posting this question to him, rather than wait for second hand accounts?

From the interviews I have seen, he is a very kind, honest man. I believe he would give an honest response, and who know, he may even be okay with allowing that information to be posted (from the horse's mouth, as they say) on this forum.

Listen to the interview. :ear:

At around the 28 - 32 minute mark Bill poses a very similar question to James.

[wynderer]

bad quality audio on my computer -- couldn't hear it

i see i am not going to get an answer --have been debating whether to keep my mouth shut , & have decided not to

from what i gather, people go to the ranch to see UFOs bouncing around the sky, w/orbs coming close, & everyone has happy feelings --- hmmm....

the court case -- sounds to me like folks at the ranch don't know how to get along w/their country neighbors --
i was thinking of The Farm in Tennessee

all the country folk there [probably some were Baptists] , in 1971 watched a caravan of busses filled w/hippies come into their county, buy 3 acres of land, & settle in

the country folk were treated to the sight of naked hippies sitting in the pot growing field, playing gentle flute music to the plants so that they would give the tokers a Peace-ful high

also The Farm took in pregnant girls & children running away from abusive homes, so there were hordes of screaming half-naked [hot in Tennessee] children running around

but in time the local people accepted their hippie neighbors -- it probably helped that The Farm began to give food from their gardens to the local soup kitchens as soon as the first crops came in

the Ranch's country neighbors have likely observed a procession of expensive cars coming in & out of the Ranch, & have learned that people travel long distances to watch UFOs there, which i presume some of the neighbors can see also -- they likely think that's kind of weird, as i do

i have met some folks who went to the Ranch -- & i always think , 'So what? --so you saw UFOs & orbs came close & you had good feelings -- so what?'

after the Phoenix sightings, a lot of the witnessess suddenly got really interested in newagey spirituality






still hoping someone will answer....


i posted this on the 'Up at the Ranch' thread -- since there is a lot ofinterest in this thread, i thought maybe someone would have the answer to my question below :

i've been looking thru this thread & did some searching on James Gilliland -- can anyone tell me what he has to say about abductions & Reptilians? or does he say they are part of a Human mind control program?

hope someone answers this

I am very interested in this question as well. Have you thought about directly posting this question to him, rather than wait for second hand accounts?

From the interviews I have seen, he is a very kind, honest man. I believe he would give an honest response, and who know, he may even be okay with allowing that information to be posted (from the horse's mouth, as they say) on this forum.

[B]Listen to the interview. :ear:

At around the 28 - 32 minute mark Bill poses a very similar question to James.

[AnthonyBacala]

still hoping someone will answer....


i posted this on the 'Up at the Ranch' thread -- since there is a lot ofinterest in this thread, i thought maybe someone would have the answer to my question below :

i've been looking thru this thread & did some searching on James Gilliland -- can anyone tell me what he has to say about abductions & Reptilians? or does he say they are part of a Human mind control program?

hope someone answers this

I emailed James last night and he promptly responded. Here was the email he sent back.


I have engaged some greys and reptillians, even some demonic creatures in the 4th dimension. Was not fun. Luckily I had extensive training in healing unseen negative influences and friends in high places. Learning to maintain ones self authority and heal unseen negative influences is a must. There are also faker spirits who gain access through flattery. Reptillians are masters at deception many are working with them unknowingly. Those who seek power over others, material wealth, fame etc. are easy targets. They own the first three chakras, survival, sex and power. Those operate from the 4th or heart chakra love and serve. They are not as subject to these influences. I find it best to work with higher dimensional beings who are loving and service oriented.

[Bill Ryan]

the court case -- sounds to me like folks at the ranch don't know how to get along w/their country neighbors --


100% not the case. That's an unintelligent, crude assumption, based on nothing whatsoever, that does you no justice. You've never even been there, and you do not qualify to have an opinion.

James and his team are greatly liked and respected by the local community. James has been living in this small village for 25 years. The attack is political and is likely to have come from high levels, on orders. It's bureaucracy at its most vicious, irrational, and impersonal. James has responded in every proper, patient and courteous way and is now causing the dogs to back off.

Please do not post stuff like this which intentionally or unintentionally smears others, just because you have an axe to grind about the reptilian agenda. You will by now have read James' response (see the post above). He is grounded, balanced and sane. You should pay a visit sometime.

[transiten]

Interesting debate, seems like James and Bill are somewhere in between the perspective of David Wilcock. The "Venus alignment" James is talking about is probably the return of Venus across the surface of the Sun = the Venus Transit on June 5-6 depending on where you live. The first passage i watched on June 8 2004 from an observatiorium in Gothenburg.

The Mayans were avid followers of the Venus cycle and during these rare double Venus passages they there were upheavels in society, pple rose up against their opressors and communication speeded up. The Mayans also in periods planned their wars according to the Venus cycles and it's interesting to note that in Greek mythology Venus is the Goddess of Love as Evening star but the Goddess of war as Morningstar.

[Bill Ryan]

Interesting debate, seems like James and Bill are somewhere in between the perspective of David Wilcock.

James and I are 100% agreed that David Wilcock's hype about 'Drake' is based on zero evidence whatsoever. In James' words, "Show me just one high-level insider who's actually been arrested. Then I'll believe it."

James, like an increasing number of other researchers, is highly skeptical of the whole circus that has blown up about Wilcock's wishful claims on this and other issues.

[transiten]

What! This post just disappeared and I rewrote it and now it popped up again?

The hour that the ship comes in:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXn4njgCg-k

Can't believe it, is this a coverversion?

[transiten]

Yes Bill i know but these names were not mentioned. As i percieved it James said ET:s are assisting humanity in the effort to make "The beast collapse into itself" and that doesn't mean we are just sitting around waiting to be rescued. There are clearly two opposing views here on Avalon and we truly live in a 3D of opposites here on Earth. The difficulty is to contain/reconcile these opposites within without going schizophrenic something i'm constantly posting about.

I for one am not 100% sure of anything fighting a Lymedisease that makes me almost incapable of doing anything "big" out there at the moment and i wish i will recover so i can be fully functioning to assist with whatever is necessary for the peaceful development of humanity and "The hour that the ships come in"

[mountain_jim]

My thanks to Bill and James for this conversation, and convenient link above. I listened to first half last night, listening to 2nd hour now.

As Bill described James above, I find this conversation, subject matter, and participants:


grounded, balanced and sane

[wynderer]

AnthonyBacala's email from James answered my question -- pls understand that i am suspicious of folks involved in UFO stuff if they ignore or deny the reality of Reptilains & Greys, etc, & abductions

i'm glad to hear that my wondering if the peope at the ranch were not accepted by the local community was wrong -- but, w/the silence, my Irish imagination ran wild --

re the ax to grind -- i take it you yourself are not an abductee -- unkind words there yourself, Bill




the court case -- sounds to me like folks at the ranch don't know how to get along w/their country neighbors --


100% not the case. That's an unintelligent, crude assumption, based on nothing whatsoever, that does you no justice. You've never even been there, and you do not qualify to have an opinion.

James and his team are greatly liked and respected by the local community. James has been living in this small village for 25 years. The attack is political and is likely to have come from high levels, on orders. It's bureaucracy at its most vicious, irrational, and impersonal. James has responded in every proper, patient and courteous way and is now causing the dogs to back off.

Please do not post stuff like this which intentionally or unintentionally smears others, just because you have an axe to grind about the reptilian agenda. You will by now have read James' response (see the post above). He is grounded, balanced and sane. You should pay a visit sometime.

[AnthonyBacala]

Interesting debate, seems like James and Bill are somewhere in between the perspective of David Wilcock.

James and I are 100% agreed that David Wilcock's hype about 'Drake' is based on zero evidence whatsoever. In James' words, "Show me just one high-level insider who's actually been arrested. Then I'll believe it."

James, like an increasing number of other researchers, is highly skeptical of the whole circus that has blown up about Wilcock's wishful claims on this and other issues.

I agree, "circus" is the best description of these events. As I stated on the Horus Ra thread, my red flag was really raised this last week when I began having comments related to the negative side of the coin censored by the moderator. As I stated in a comment, which was also censored, I found it suspect that for someone constantly promoting, and hoping for, "disclosure" that they would censor any comments regarding negative ETs, abductions, etc.


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit&p=485923&viewfull=1#post485923
I just want to share some interesting information, especially after reading more from James Bartley's work on Reptilian hosts parading around in the UFO community. Now, I am not pointing fingers at this particular individual, I just find the recent series of events I am about to discuss rather suspect.

Last week, I posted on the Divine Cosmos website run by David Wilcock a theory that came to me recently.



Just a forewarning, this is slightly unrelated. However this article is dealing with the individuals running the world so this goes together, in a way.

I am a firm believer in positive extra-terrestrials, and consider myself a wanderer.

The other day, after going through various interviews and videos pertaining to the alien abductions that have affected millions worldwide, an idea popped into my mind.

The positive extraterrestrials have followed the rules of non-intervention and have only acted indirectly on humanity's behalf. David said a while back, "the rules have changed" citing evidence through the various millitarily offensive operations that have been thwarted globally.

While I agree there is a strong possibility that positive ETs have assisted in this manner, is it totally crazy to think that possibly, negative ETs have also done this over the years?

I only say this because the large body of evidence relating to unwilling abductions shows that the Service to Self, negative ETs clearly have had no regard to the "rules" and have continuously broke them for ages.

These negative ETs, some with ongoing partnerships/relationships with the shadow governmet also have ties to the Reptilians and the Archons, as referred to in the Gnostic codices found at Nag Hammadi.

These beings feed off of the chaos and disharmony they continuously manipulate a large portion of humanity into experiencing. This is a prime source of "life" energy for them.

I wonder if they would have the survival of humanity, at the moment, in their interest as well, being that they use so many humans for abductions, tests, their hybrid program, and so on. And not to mention the multitudes they feed off of from their negative energy they emit.

I'm not promoting "fear porn," I am only bringing facts into few and pondering a relationship we may have overlooked.

[Moderator: One of David's top insiders confirmed this is going on with negative entities -- and said that if people stopped being consumed by fear for even one day, worldwide, these entities would completely lose control of Earth and never be able to get it back.

Look at all the comments trying to discredit David and this message and you do the math.]


Upon the moderator's response, I replied,


Interesting point indeed, Moderator. I just noticed that David will be releasing further insight into Divine Intervention this upcoming Wednesday.

Any chance that he will address this information publicly?

Also, will he be providing insight into the darker side of the coin - the negative ET's and how they factor into what is taking place currently?

I believe we need to be aware of both aspects if we hope to make progress, for denying the existence of these negative forces does not negate the fact that they are occurring and affecting the majority of mankind, in some way, shape, or form.

Thank you for all that you do, both David and the Moderator. I appreciate your tireless dedication and devotion to bringing the dark towards the light.

It was funny that there was no reply to the following post. However, things got really interesting last night. After releasing the latest installment of "Divine Intervention" which naively focussed on all ETs being the good guys, which Bartley, Bartholic, and others have proven is NOT the case, I posted another comment.

Surprisingly, not only was this one not responded to, it was completely left out of the comments section. Instead, loads of other comments (nearly 100 in 24 hours) have been accepted, all of which praise David's work.

I cannot remember verbatim what this comment said, but it was along these lines...

"David, after the moderator admitted that negative ET's have also had some part in shutting down nuclear facilities and whatnot, will you please offer us your opinion on how they factor into everything.

Is it possible that we will never see disclosure, being that it would result in only more and more lies? Being that the government has been involved with the negative ET's, and have also participated in allowing abductions, pursuing MILABS, and the like, why would they reveal these secrets?

I am not promoting "fear porn" as you call it, I am simply stating facts. We need to be fully informed in order to release the fears of the unknown, and now is the time for you to release that information. What benefit does holding back on the negative side of things have for you?

What agenda are you promoting, and why do we never hear you discussing the Dracos, Reptilians, and Grays, as I am sure you are quite familiar with them?"

Now this is just a summary of what I said, but I am blown away that it is being completely surpressed from the comments board. After reading this forum, I have had my eyes opened to a multitude of lies that have been paraded in the New Age community. It is time we quit buying into the BS and search for the deeper meaning behind the actions of those we look up to in the alternative community, for, whether they know it or not, they may be being led down a tunnel that will swallow them and the millions of people following their every word--hook, line, and sinker.

Any thoughts?



I was even more taken back because this all began with the moderator admitting that David was aware that negative ETs also had involvement in shutting down nuclear facilities and the like, although he was tying this all in with "Divine Intervention" and making it out to be the result of 100% benevolent ET interaction with our planet...a little too much like Dr. Greer's approach.

[Bill Ryan]

AnthonyBacala's email from James answered my question -- pls understand that i am suspicious of folks involved in UFO stuff if they ignore or deny the reality of Reptilains & Greys, etc, & abductions

i'm glad to hear that my wondering if the peope at the ranch were not accepted by the local community was wrong -- but, w/the silence, my Irish imagination ran wild --

re the ax to grind -- i take it you yourself are not an abductee -- unkind words there yourself, Bill



I am an abductee. :)

My point was that it was premature of you to have made the assumption about James' naivete -- and not okay to have criticized his relationship with the local community, which is nothing whatsoever to do with the reptilian agenda!

I appreciate that you are extremely sensitive and jumpy about this important issue. Don't make the understandable mistake of judging others by your standards. Not everyone is out to get you, and not everyone is uninformed and naive (as some are, and we both know that.)

You've made this mistake before: beware of alienating others unintentionally with your own passion to get to the truth of what happened to you personally. You need friends who understand you, and you may sometimes drive them away.

[AnthonyBacala]

AnthonyBacala's email from James answered my question -- pls understand that i am suspicious of folks involved in UFO stuff if they ignore or deny the reality of Reptilains & Greys, etc, & abductions

i'm glad to hear that my wondering if the peope at the ranch were not accepted by the local community was wrong -- but, w/the silence, my Irish imagination ran wild --

re the ax to grind -- i take it you yourself are not an abductee -- unkind words there yourself, Bill




the court case -- sounds to me like folks at the ranch don't know how to get along w/their country neighbors --


100% not the case. That's an unintelligent, crude assumption, based on nothing whatsoever, that does you no justice. You've never even been there, and you do not qualify to have an opinion.

James and his team are greatly liked and respected by the local community. James has been living in this small village for 25 years. The attack is political and is likely to have come from high levels, on orders. It's bureaucracy at its most vicious, irrational, and impersonal. James has responded in every proper, patient and courteous way and is now causing the dogs to back off.

Please do not post stuff like this which intentionally or unintentionally smears others, just because you have an axe to grind about the reptilian agenda. You will by now have read James' response (see the post above). He is grounded, balanced and sane. You should pay a visit sometime.

Wynderer, please review Bill's thread discussing his abduction experience, albeit from a past life, but still highly relevant. He was not being rude. http://http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?39611-A-warning-from-benevolent-ETs-about-our-future-over-60-years-ago

[wynderer]

if a friend is driven away by my passion for the truth re abductions -- not just MY truth re My abductions, but more in the line of what the h is going on -- then obviously they weren't friends to start with -- David Icke warns that caring what others think is one of the biggest herd controls going

[transiten]

Interesting debate, seems like James and Bill are somewhere in between the perspective of David Wilcock.

James and I are 100% agreed that David Wilcock's hype about 'Drake' is based on zero evidence whatsoever. In James' words, "Show me just one high-level insider who's actually been arrested. Then I'll believe it."

James, like an increasing number of other researchers, is highly skeptical of the whole circus that has blown up about Wilcock's wishful claims on this and other issues.

Bill, forgot to push Reply With Quote, please see my post below, i've got these harsh astrological transits today Sun opposite Sun and Saturn conjoinging my Moon, selfscrutiny and testing of my efforts to establsih myself and my ideas.

[transiten]

Excuse me my brain is affected by the Lymedisease..


Yes Bill i know but these names were not mentioned. As i percieved it James said ET:s are assisting humanity in the effort to make "The beast collapse into itself" and that doesn't mean we are just sitting around waiting to be rescued. There are clearly two opposing views here on Avalon and we truly live in a 3D of opposites here on Earth. The difficulty is to contain/reconcile these opposites within without going schizophrenic something i'm constantly posting about.

I for one am not 100% sure of anything fighting a Lymedisease that makes me almost incapable of doing anything "big" out there at the moment and i wish i will recover so i can be fully functioning to assist with whatever is necessary for the peaceful development of humanity and "The hour that the ships come in"

[Earth Angel]

Thank you Bill , very well stated........





the court case -- sounds to me like folks at the ranch don't know how to get along w/their country neighbors --


100% not the case. That's an unintelligent, crude assumption, based on nothing whatsoever, that does you no justice. You've never even been there, and you do not qualify to have an opinion.

James and his team are greatly liked and respected by the local community. James has been living in this small village for 25 years. The attack is political and is likely to have come from high levels, on orders. It's bureaucracy at its most vicious, irrational, and impersonal. James has responded in every proper, patient and courteous way and is now causing the dogs to back off.

Please do not post stuff like this which intentionally or unintentionally smears others, just because you have an axe to grind about the reptilian agenda. You will by now have read James' response (see the post above). He is grounded, balanced and sane. You should pay a visit sometime.

[sdv]

I enjoyed listening to the interview very much.

From my experience, those who take a victim stance will simply perpetuate the cycle (i.e. make victims of others once they are in power). What I have come to realise in my country is that our president (what a joke!) is in power because he reflects the values and desires of the majority of the population. Once the majority of the population make a change to their world view, values and desires then such a president will no longer be relevant. Coups, arrests, and so on do not break the cycle - they simply move around a few pieces on the board but the game remains the same.

I mentioned this on another thread but it came up again in this interview, where James referred to Obama secretly signing the Federal Restricted Buildings and Grounds Improvement Act of 2011. If this was such a secret how come we heard about it on Africa about two months ago (genuine - we sat around at dinner and debated the implications of the bill and wondered of this was America's Rubicon)?

Also, there has been much anger expressed against the bankers who have enriched themselves obscenely and seem to be getting away with it. However, at the root of the whole financial crisis is deregulation. This was not something that happened overnight in secret, but over successive presidencies. Why did Americans not protest and try to prevent such deregulation? Do you know that it is very diffucult to prosecute these blatant crooks because of the climate of deregulation?

As for ETs, as I have said on other threads, I have a bone to pick with them about abductions, and I always remain suspicious of intervention, but that is because human rights and free will are important to me, and to me ET intervention in human affairs violates human rights and free will (and no one has the right to ask for ET intervention on my behalf).

It also occurs to me that the disclosure loudly called for by some, and perhaps seen as verification by many, is another way of avoiding responsibility. Maybe Obama et al just are not able to expand their minds to include the concept of ETs and UFOs being here now (maybe they genuinely don't know, or do know but do not cope well with having that knowledge). Besides, if you have seen something, experienced something, for yourself, then why do you need disclosure (which was an idea that came across in the interview)? Oh, the technology that the US government got from ETs and so on ... the NSA, CIA, FBI and so on are paranoid about secrets and classified information (to an extremely abnormal degree) about everything, so of course they are not going to disclose, especially about something that they do not fully understand or are not in complete control of or cannot be confident about defeating the threat of ...

Alas, the Eceti Ranch is much too far away for me to be able to visit, but I am delighted that those who can freely share their experiences with everyone. Many thanks to those who do!

[RMorgan]

Hey Bill,

Pretty good interview, mate!

Looks like we´re very like minded because I agree 99% with your points of view.

Thanks for sharing your perspective with us! :)

Cheers,

Raf.

[Sebastion]

Bill:

I have but one question to ask of you, if you know. That question is WHY are all the ets floating around this planet seemingly 24-7? What is the primary reason?

[Billy]

Bill here is the Info on the two Russian Scientists that James was speaking about during the interview. Great interview by the way.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43521-Russian-Scientists-crack-crop-circle-code.-Conscious-shift-impending

Nice to hear you oot and aboot again :thumb:

[mountain_jim]

I appreciate the link, but I don't find the related articles persuasive so far - the most direct info from the Russian's involved in the link chain seems to be here

http://www.cosmostv.org/2011/08/russian-cosmonaut-marina-popovich-ets.html#ixzz1rOObaVQC

but still no display of circles, symbols, and how they interpreted them to get their results.



A group of prominent Russian scientists, including Russian cosmonaut Dr. Marina Popovich, PhD, as well as Victoria Popova, Dr. Sc., Ph.D., and Lidia Andrianova Ph.D. have announced a discovery of extraterrestrial communications in pictograms that extraterrestrial intelligence has placed in crop circles and in stone monuments around the world. The group has created a dictionary of over 250 extraterrestrial pictograms for interpreting crop circles and stone monuments such as "Stonehenge and Avebury stone circles in the UK, Machu Picchu, Chavin de Huantar and the Nazca Lines in Peru, the pyramid of Chichen-Itza and the pyramids of the moon and the sun in Mexico and the Moai of Easter Island and others."

Dr. Marina Popovich, PhD, Victoria Popova, Dr. Sc., Ph.D., and Lidia Andrianova Ph.D. write in their co-authored book “Letters of Extraterrestrial Civilizations: The Last Warning”, “Extraterrestrial civilizations (ETC) warn: the weakening of Earth's magnetic field has reached a critical value, and threatens the life of mankind. ETC’ instructions in crop circles indicate how to escape from global cataclysms which will begin very soon.”

ET pictograms predict global cataclysms

The Russian scientist group states that the extraterrestrial pictograms communicate that “Extraterrestrial civilizations (ETC) predict three preliminary catastrophes followed by global cataclysms of a magnitude beyond anything experienced in living memory. There will be a short time period between all these events."

They continue, “ETC warn that civilization has to be pre-informed about the scenario of global cataclysms beginning [of the] event. A civilization that is not informed has no chance to make the Transition in time and to prolong life. First pre-cataclysm will be related with interruption of global system of communication – phone, Internet. Pre-informed civilization will avoid shock and chaos of super-powerful disaster and has a chance to make the Transition in time.”

The Russian scientist group “emphasizes that this is a natural cycle of the planet. Part of this process is the development of human consciousness to a point where humanity will have a ‘window of opportunity’ to make the transition to a higher plane of existence. They explain that this point in history can be seen as a kind graduation for humanity to a higher and more subtle level of experience, a type of metamorphosis for humanity connected with ascension. Nobody can be saved individually, as the transition can be made only through the synchronous unification of human consciousness.

The Russian scientist group states, “The time for humans to escape the devastation through the unification of consciousness will be shortly after the first pre-cataclysm. After second pre-catastrophe humanity will have no chance to prolong life because number of people [remaining alive] will be not enough to start up the mechanism of the transition. In the future humanity will join a galactic community of evolved extra-terrestrial civilizations, linked through consciousness.”

Cosmonaut Dr. Marina Popovich

Dr. Marina Popovich "(born July 20, 1931) is a retired Soviet Air Force colonel, engineer, and legendary Soviet test pilot who holds 107 aviation world records set on over 40 types of aircraft. She is one of the most famous pilots in Russian history, and one of the most important female pilots of all-time. Marina Vasilieva became a Soviet Air Force pilot and in 1964, a military test pilot. She authored nine books and two screenplays. Among many other awards, she has been honored as Hero of Socialist Labor, the Order of Courage (presented personally by Vladimir Putin in June 2007)and a star in the Cancer constellation bears her name."


Read more: http://www.cosmostv.org/2011/08/russian-cosmonaut-marina-popovich-ets.html#ixzz1uro0SlPf

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[B]According to the Russian scientist group, the ET pictograms predict a model that shows the Earth undergoing a series of three specific cataclysms, followed by a general state of cataclysmic upheaval.

A weakening of the Earth's magnetic field is the specific mechanism that the Russian scientists hold will trigger this age of cataclysm that will be started by three "pre-cataclysms". As to the extent and timing of the first pre-cataclysm, the Russian scientists state, "The first of these pre-cataclysms is imminent – an extraordinary event which surpasses all natural powers known by humanity. The scientists claim a catastrophic seismic event will emanate from the west coast of Peru in the area of the Brazilian Magnetic Anomaly at the intersection of the Humboldt and the El Nino currents in the Pacific Ocean. An area of the United States from the Gulf of Mexico to the Great Lakes will be inundated as a result of a tsunami. According to prophecy of Edgar Cayce – famous American prophet – during several minutes the waters of the Mexican Golf will joint with Great Lakes. This catastrophe will have a devastating impact on the whole central and south Pacific region, with the likelihood of mega-tsunamis hitting the Eastern seaboard of New Zealand and Australia. The tsunami may even affect the north-western coast of Africa and the shores of Western Europe, but the brunt of the cataclysm will focus on Eastern coast of North America. The second and the third pre-cataclysms will be much stronger."


Read more: http://www.cosmostv.org/2011/08/russian-cosmonaut-marina-popovich-ets.html#ixzz1uroQ6hVf



I see the time for first has already passed



A. Timing – One of the most pressing issues raised by the Russian scientists’ hypothesis and discovery is that of the timing of these hypothetical cataclysms. Their website now states that the first “pre-cataclysm” may occur in late August 2011. That date is so soon to the date of this article (August 16, 2011) that we will know soon enough.

If the first “pre-cataclysm” does not occur at the end of August 2011, then does their entire hypothesis lose credibility? What are the parameters of timing in this case?





part mentioning Stankov (insert roll-eyes smiley here) not included by me...

[RunningDeer]

You have to be a paying subscriber to access BBC radio ($5 per month), but if someone records it and puts it on youtube, then anyone can listen, although I don't know if that is actually legal.
I did a search on youtube, but I don't see it there yet.

I don't know if anyone else has posted the link as yet. If so, oops. Here you go onawah. Bill Ryan Visits James Gilliland's ECETI Ranch. (http://projectavalon.net/Bill_Ryan_James_Gilliland_As_You_Wish_Talk_Radio_12_May_2012.mp3)

[Billy]

I appreciate the link, but I don't find the related articles persuasive so far - the most direct info from the Russian's involved in the link chain seems to be here

http://www.cosmostv.org/2011/08/russian-cosmonaut-marina-popovich-ets.html#ixzz1rOObaVQC

but still no display of circles, symbols, and how they interpreted them to get their results.

.

7fD63eqxhLQ

This is their website http://www.ourtransition.info/

http://www.ourtransition.info/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=169%3A-28042012-&catid=2%3Astatie&lang=en&Itemid=2

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks for link Bill listening to it again....When I listened live sunday morning I was tired, and although I enjoyed it
I did not realise the depth of the middle portion, I think I must of dozed off in the middle because some off this seems
new ...cheers Steve ....

PS ignore comment on page one the interview is self explainitory and coherent , must have been me ......

[mountain_jim]

I appreciate the link, but I don't find the related articles persuasive so far - the most direct info from the Russian's involved in the link chain seems to be here

http://www.cosmostv.org/2011/08/russian-cosmonaut-marina-popovich-ets.html#ixzz1rOObaVQC

but still no display of circles, symbols, and how they interpreted them to get their results.

.


This is their website http://www.ourtransition.info/

http://www.ourtransition.info/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=169%3A-28042012-&catid=2%3Astatie&lang=en&Itemid=2

Thanks for that website link. (Perhaps this side-discussion should be moved to a separate thread, even though it was initiated by James bringing this up in interview.)


I have read alot of crop-circle interpretations over the years where the dates appeared to be well-coded in the designs via astronmical objects and positions, but these ladies seem to be mixing crop-circle stuff with their interpretations of ancient civilization stuff (shadow effect of the serpent descending on the pyramid Kukulkan at Chichen Itza complex, Mexico) to come up with these dates and predictions. I am not yet ready to buy in to these theories.


From this link from their site:

http://www.ourtransition.info/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=169&catid=1&Itemid=2&lang=en\

they state the following:



Summary. The pictogram indicates the necessity of humanity Transition to the next cycle of life on the safe Highest level of the material world before global cataclysm beginning. For the Transition we have to immediately begin training for the unification of consciousness across countries and continents. Extraterrestrials are warning that on September 22, 2012 second pre-cataclysm will happen, which may result in severe radioactive contamination of the environment in connection with the destruction of numerous nuclear power plants, placed on the way of natural blow. For the Transition to other parallel level of the material world we have to make our body transformation. For this purpose, the united consciousness of civilization has to cause a laser beam that removes the body from the level of global cataclysms. The laser beam can arise only in uniform resonant medium of humanity’ united consciousness.

....
Dates of the first and second pre-cataclysms indicate the shadow effect of descending serpent on the pyramid of Kukulkan. Dates of first and second pre-cataclysms, in accordance with the scenario, ETC identified by the shadow effect of the serpent descending on the pyramid Kukulkan at Chichen Itza complex, Mexico.

This serpent descends from top of the pyramid to earth twice a year – in the vernal and autumnal equinox on March 21-22 and September 20-22. This is the date of the first and second pre-cataclysms between which humanity has to make the Transition.

About the beginning of global cataclysms on Earth was known many, many thousands of years ago – at the dawn of human consciousness development. It was then that the scenario was compiled.

The reason for the scenario change – nuclear power plants on the way of the first pre-cataclysm. However, life has disposed in another way. The epicenter of the first pre-cataclysm should occur off the coast of Peru – at the intersection of two currents – the Humboldt and El Niño in the area of the Brazilian magnetic anomaly – the weakest magnetic field of our planet, and go up to the eastern coast of the United States.

However, in the way of the first pre-cataclysm, mankind has built many nuclear power plants. The direction of the main blow of the first pre-cataclysm is marked by a red arrow. Dotted arrows indicate possible directions of side directions of the first pre-cataclysm blow.

Therefore, the scenario has been changed. Extraterrestrial civilizations constrained Earth's magnetic field and on March 21, 2012 instead of the first pre-cataclysm occurred only the earthquake in Mexico, a magnitude of 7.4. Without ETC help the world would have radioactive contamination of the environment, which level would be much higher than after the tsunami in Japan.

The date of the second pre-cataclysm. The second pre-cataclysm had to be occurred in accordance with the scenario on March 22, 2012. It will be much more powerful and extraterrestrial civilizations will not be able to constrain it in the same way as the first pre-cataclysm. Therefore, mankind has to unite consciousness and make the Transition, as expected, before the second pre-cataclysm, i.e. before September 21, 2012. Consequently, now the time when humanity has possibility calmly make training for unification of civilization’ consciousness is clocking, but ... there is no training, and time inexorably moves forward to the specified date.



The Transition is possible only up to the second pre-cataclysm. Why humanity has to make the Transition before the second pre-cataclysm? Extraterrestrials are warning that the second pre-cataclysm, if it happens at full power, in a few minutes will destroy 2 billion people. The remaining population of Earth will not be able to start up the mechanism of the Transition, since the number of people will not be enough to cause the laser beam. The united consciousness can no longer cause the action of the necessary force to light the laser beam in order to destroy our bodies at the level of global cataclysms.

[onawah]

Great talk with Bill and James. Thanks for the link, Bill and WCBD.

The thing that concerns me most at this point is Fukushima (and I'm kind of surprised that Bill and James barely touched on that subject in any direct way), which, from what I can see, is going to require open ET intervention to prevent it from continuing to poison the whole planet, and only needs one more good sized quake to dump a motherlode of toxins into the ecosystem.
What we can do until that happens, as James and Bill agreed, is unite as a planet and prevent the earthquake that would finish off Fukushima.
From:
http://blog.imva.info/world-affairs/seismologist-casts-shadow

Arnie Gundersen of course is the notable exception. “Move south of equator if Unit No. 4 fuel pool goes dry, that’s probably the lesson there—Like cesium from all 800 nuclear bombs ever dropped on Earth, except all at once. There’s more cesium in that [Unit No. 4] fuel pool than in all 800 nuclear bombs exploded above ground.”[1] He says it would certainly destroy Japan as a functioning country and the radioactive clouds would circulate round and round with the heaviest concentrations in the northern hemisphere.

But one of the chief engineeers[2] has a special warning for Californians and everyone directly downwind from Japan. “I’m telling my friends on west coast of the U.S. to watch Unit No. 4 like a hawk—Wake up every day and make sure it’s standing… have a plan to move somewhere.” Sorry sir, but by then it would be way too late. There would be no time for anything and the panic would escalate day by day. There are people who have the financial resources to make such moves but very few are listening to the warnings of impending disaster.

After visiting Fukushima Senator Ron Wyden warned that the spent fuel is a national security threat to the U.S.: “The radiation caused by the failure of the spent fuel pools in the event of another earthquake could reach the West Coast within days. That absolutely makes the safe containment and protection of this spent fuel a security issue for the United States.”

No one is making anything up. The spent fuel in unit sits in an elevated pool outside the reactor core’s reinforced containment, in a high-consequence earthquake zone adjacent to the ocean. It is open to the elements because a hydrogen explosion blew off the roof during the early days of the accident and sent the building into a list. The most dangerous radioactive pool in the world is in a building leaning to one side leaving us all ‘Hanging by a Thread’..

The other hopeful possibility I've seen that predicts no more extinction level catastrophes is the scenario that channeler Suzy Ward of:
http://www.matthewbooks.com/mattsmessage.htm
has portrayed which says that Gaia is on the threshold of 4D frequencies now, and in 4D, radioactivity is no longer a threat.
My question about that, if it's true, is how far into 4D do we have to be to be safe from radioactivity?
In the meantime, though, she says that the ETs are helping:
from:
http://www.matthewbooks.com/mm/anmviewer.asp?a=148&z=2

12. Most of the populace hasn’t an iota of awareness about the giant steps in the collective consciousness that eventually led to the on-going discussions between some of your leaders and representatives of other civilizations. Most people don’t know that technology in spacecraft surrounding the planet is causing widely-destructive weaponry to malfunction; is leveling out the effects of geophysical events; and is reducing the toxicity in all types of pollution, including radioactive elements from nuclear explosions and harmful substances in chemtrails.

Whether Suzy is right or not, I don't know, but her version of the future is certainly one of the more hopeful ones.
Bob Dean also says our future is glorious, and that it's coming soon, so even those who don't have any faith in channelers can perhaps take comfort in Bob's vision of the future.

Though it's certainly true that we cannot just sit back and let Gaia or the ETs take care of all our problems for us, for most of us, I think, there needs to be a sense of hope and some logical reasons for having it, to even have enough energy to take part in helping to create the solutions.

[transiten]

Bill and others that might be ineterested; I'm posting this one more time. I'm having agony attacks because of the Lymedisease and i'm oversensitive at the moment. I just want to say that english not being my native language "in between" might not be the proper wordings for what i meant. I just sensed that James in some respects were closer to Davids perspective and you Bill further away f.i. when it came to the assistance of ET:s when defeating the cabal and i'm sorry if it came out like i said you are on the same page as Wilcock which is absolutely NOT what i intended.


Excuse me my brain is affected by the Lymedisease..


Yes Bill i know but these names were not mentioned. As i percieved it James said ET:s are assisting humanity in the effort to make "The beast collapse into itself" and that doesn't mean we are just sitting around waiting to be rescued. There are clearly two opposing views here on Avalon and we truly live in a 3D of opposites here on Earth. The difficulty is to contain/reconcile these opposites within without going schizophrenic something i'm constantly posting about.

I for one am not 100% sure of anything fighting a Lymedisease that makes me almost incapable of doing anything "big" out there at the moment and i wish i will recover so i can be fully functioning to assist with whatever is necessary for the peaceful development of humanity and "The hour that the ships come in"

¤=[Post Update]=¤

The above post is answering this one. And also the word "debate" should be chaged to "conversation"...i seem to have started a debate after my post:(



Interesting debate, seems like James and Bill are somewhere in between the perspective of David Wilcock.

James and I are 100% agreed that David Wilcock's hype about 'Drake' is based on zero evidence whatsoever. In James' words, "Show me just one high-level insider who's actually been arrested. Then I'll believe it."

James, like an increasing number of other researchers, is highly skeptical of the whole circus that has blown up about Wilcock's wishful claims on this and other issues.

[HaveBlue]

We must all support James in his battle with his local council. This is about human rights to live as he pleases. Where are the victims and where is the harm done.

It shows how scared the PTB are of people waking up. James is one of the most enlightened people on the planet. Are they really trying to provoke another Ruby Ridge?

It sure does look like it.

[ThePythonicCow]

if a friend is driven away by my passion for the truth re abductions -- not just MY truth re My abductions, but more in the line of what the h is going on -- then obviously they weren't friends to start with -- David Icke warns that caring what others think is one of the biggest herd controls going

Sometimes people are driven away by one's passion and truth ... their choice, and your choice to no longer consider them a friend.

But sometimes people can be driven away by other things, such as (to take an example) presenting harsh and unjustified criticisms of others ... then you might consider as a friend the one who would bring this to your attention and ask you to not do that here.

Thanks.

[Davidallany]

What a wonderful and rich interview indeed. Bill and James engage in very intelligent exchange of really important information. Excellent interview.

[Watching from Cyprus]

Thank you my Dear ;-)

[Debra]

I just love listening to James Gilliland - he is a gentle man with a great strength - and he is one person in this field that I would really like to meet.

I also have great regard for Bill Ryan's depth and I always like how he can move from being intrepid researcher to seeing the humanity in others.

Together, it was a pleasure to listen - live - to their wonderful conversation. It made my night :)

Cheers,

[Black Panther]

Hey Bill,

I like to listen to James and hit ECETI Ranch and I always like to see posts of you.
Damn, I'm still so glad I've found this forum where I have met people who can
understand me for the first time in my life!! Seeking and seeking all my life till I
found you and your forum. And than you started the thread about Carol Clarke (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?32136-Carol-Clarke-the-most-consistently-accurate-psychic-I-have-come-across&p=478665#post478665).
By listening to my reading the second time I still had to cry. Because I have been
so lost all my life and Carol told me exactly that in my reading. She is a friend of
David Icke, like you said and I like David a lot too. I'm reading his latest book
"Remember Who You Are" and that's exactly what I'm doing right now.

I don't know about Drake and all the stories, but I admire David Wilcock. I've been
to a lecture and a workshop last weekend and he had some pretty interesting
information to share.

[gripreaper]

The problem with the county messing with James and the ESCETI Ranch, is they are trying to get him on code violations. You know, one residence per parcel, no commercial activity in rural properties, no seminars of large gatherings, etc.

Quite frankly, as long as the property is registered in the county public records, and is surveyed in adhesion to the county through the military districts of "section, township, and range" they can pretty much do whatever the hell they want, since they hold lawful title to the property, and James merely holds legal title, which gives him the right of possession as long as he follows all of their codes and rules.

Now, ESCETI has done everything to follow those rules, but it's not about that if its political and they just want to mess with him. He can jump through all their hoops, fight them in their courts, and probably get them on not following their own rules an procedures, and probably get them to back off, but that does not mean they will leave him alone. They can come back at any time and charge him with something else.

Allodial title. surveyed from the longitudinal and latitudinal co-ordinates, with the original land patent, acknowledgment of the grantor deed, severing the ties to the county, would create a sovereign lawful estate and there would be nothing more the county could do to mess with him. Not an easy process, but at some point, we are all going to need to extricate ourselves and get off the plantation and the master slave system.

I hope it's soon.

[giovonni]

The problem with the county messing with James and the ESCETI Ranch, is they are trying to get him on code violations. You know, one residence per parcel, no commercial activity in rural properties, no seminars of large gatherings, etc.

Quite frankly, as long as the property is registered in the county public records, and is surveyed in adhesion to the county through the military districts of "section, township, and range" they can pretty much do whatever the hell they want, since they hold lawful title to the property, and James merely holds legal title, which gives him the right of possession as long as he follows all of their codes and rules.

Now, ESCETI has done everything to follow those rules, but it's not about that if its political and they just want to mess with him. He can jump through all their hoops, fight them in their courts, and probably get them on not following their own rules an procedures, and probably get them to back off, but that does not mean they will leave him alone. They can come back at any time and charge him with something else.

Allodial title. surveyed from the longitudinal and latitudinal co-ordinates, with the original land patent, acknowledgment of the grantor deed, severing the ties to the county, would create a sovereign lawful estate and there would be nothing more the county could do to mess with him. Not an easy process, but at some point, we are all going to need to extricate ourselves and get off the plantation and the master slave system.

I hope it's soon.

Thank you gripreaper for your well thought out points and comments...
And please note the suggestion changing the property's title to allodial land is a viable and real possibility. :thumb:

Blessings Gio