Where did all the oil go? U.S. press and scientists admit that BP spill is vanishing

[Studeo]

Where did all the oil go? U.S. press and scientists admit that BP spill is vanishing much faster than expected

He sparked outrage in the US when he suggested that the Gulf of Mexico oil spill was nothing but a drop in the ocean.
And he was hounded out of his job for overseeing one of the world’s worst oil disasters as pictures of dying seabirds floundering in oil dominated the front pages of the US press for weeks on end.
But now, 16 days after the leak was finally stopped, scientists are coming forward to suggest that perhaps BP boss Tony Hayward may have been right after all.
Oil from the well is clearing from the sea surface much faster than scientists expected.
Indeed, some are asking whether the original threat was actually exaggerated.
And just over 100 days after the Deepwater Horizon drilling rig exploded in the Gulf of Mexico, killing 11 workers, the water around the Gulf is almost entirely clear.
The backtracking by the US media in particular stands in stark contrast to the way in which they pursued Mr Hayward in the wake of the spill.

Time Magazine, The Washington Post, the New York Times and Vanity Fair have all now raised the prospect that the much-maligned ex-BP boss may have been right after all.
The disaster led BP to a record £11bn loss, after it set aside £21billion to pay for the clean-up of the Gulf, fines and legal liabilities.
And BP's woes have a direct knock-on affect on ordinary British people with most having pensions which hold the oil giant, always a generous payer of dividends, in their portfolio.
Officials estimate that between 107 million gallons and 184 million gallons spewed into the Gulf before the cap stopped the flow on the 15th July....


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1298932/Was-Tony-Hayward-right-BP-oil-spill-all.html#ixzz0vXBbiGzY

[Pan]

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1298932/Was-Tony-Hayward-right-BP-oil-spill-all.html#ixzz0vXBbiGzY

I think in retrospect this oil "spill" has a lot in common with 9/11.

More or less the same people behind the curtain and the same modus operandi.

Though this issue has shown us a few interesting things.
The majorety of the alternative media is not in it to present actual news. (Who knew right *laughs*)
We as gamechangers have no sense of bearing and are completly under control.

"We" know that we are being controlled etc etc, but what I mean is that with every major event our emotions and reactions are being played as fine instruments.
And while we are aware of that, for some reason a lot of "people" who are in this "movement" though that they could exclude themself from this practice. Fool me once and all that.

I'm going to let the question in the thread title go unanswered because its more then obvious where the oil whent.

[Etherios]

SO you guys really thing this is over? And we over reacted on something not important?

You know the oil has a natural disolve timetable... it doesnt vanish from "view" in a few days/weeks.... its takes time for it to be disolved by the sea... Its the corexit that is "HIDDING" the oil inside the waters....

Just because you dont see black spots it doesnt mean its gone. Bah anyway its gone we can go back to sleep again.

[Pan]

SO you guys really thing this is over? And we over reacted on something not important?
.

Not at all.
This is an event that will linger for generations to come. I'm not sure about how oil interacts with seawater but Corexit is not healthy. Not even close, this event is by all definitions a crime against humanity and it is holding future generations in hostage.

But the emotions and desire for change were deflected from the real target.
Just imagine what could happen if people's desires would have been projected onto the real actors of this event.
Like I said in my previous post, for all intents and purposes this event is pretty much a rinse and repeat of 9/11.

We should be able to reckognise that and learn from it.
That does not mean that everybody should go back to sleep, the opposite from that infact.
Its more a call for a better management and directing of the power we really have.

[Swami]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJc8iJZpMLk

[LeeEllisMusic]

When will oil spill be cleaned up? Maybe never

By Curtis Morgan | McClatchy Newspapers

After more than three months, BP appears finally to have gotten a firm grasp on its runaway Deepwater Horizon well. Now the big question in the Gulf of Mexico is how, and if, an environmental mess of unprecedented scope can be cleaned up.

Only last week did federal spill managers begin discussing with state and parish leaders in Louisiana, the hardest hit state, how to set the standards for declaring the nation's largest offshore oil spill officially mopped up.

"How do we get to the inevitable question of how clean is clean?" said retired Coast Guard Adm. Thad Allen, the Obama administration's point man on the spill.

Many scientists and environmentalists believe there won't be a quick or easy answer.

"We've never dealt with this before, the complication of this much oil coming from the deep sea and being hit heavily with chemical dispersants," said Ron Kendall, director of the Institute of Environmental and Human Health at Texas Tech University. ''We have conducted the largest environmental toxicology experiment in the history of this country in the Gulf of Mexico."

There are some signs the experiment may not have the cataclysmic long-term ripple effects originally feared. Conditions have clearly — and dramatically — improved in the Gulf in the two weeks since BP capped its well.

A massive slick once the size of Florida has shrunk faster than anyone expected. The Coast Guard reported blue water over the Deepwater Horizon site last week and so little floating oil that skimming vessels were burning more fuel motoring around the Gulf than they were finding.

Though incomplete, initial field surveys found less than 400 acres of oiled Louisiana marsh, with most oil collected along the outer fringes. Gov. Bobby Jindal even reopened some bayou waters to commercial fishing on Friday.

Terry Hazen, a microbial ecologist at the Lawrence Berkeley National Lab in California, credited the Gulf's self-healing powers. Unlike the nutrient-lean waters of Alaska, still suffering lingering effects from the Exxon Valdez two decades ago, the Gulf teems with bacteria that eat for oil and gas leaking from natural deep-sea seeps.

"Petroleum is one of the easiest toxic compounds to degrade," said Hazen. "People forget it's a biological substance. It's been down there a long time, but it has been sequestered in an environment when it can't biodegrade."

In the warm, wave-churned, microbe-rich Gulf, nature alone might already have consumed 30 to 50 percent of the oil. A tropical system stronger than meek Bonnie could further disperse the oil, speeding the process even more.

Yet even combining natural forces with months of burning, skimming and siphoning, the most optimistic estimates suggest tens of millions of gallons remain in the Gulf. It could be soaked into unsurveyed marshes, adrift in countless gobs too small and scattered to show up in satellite images or — most concerning — still under water.

Much of what remains will likely be difficult, or impossible, to capture or clean up.

"The sheer volume of oil that's out there has to mean there will be some very significant impacts," said Jane Lubchenco, administrator of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, which has a team calculating an "oil budget'' intended to narrow down how much crude remains unaccounted for and where it might be.

Rocky Kistner of the Natural Resources Defense Council found plenty in plain and ugly sight during a 10-mile trip last week along the Louisiana delta into Barataria Bay.

Kistner, who mans the Gulf Resource Center that NRDC set up in the delta fishing village of Buras, documented the mess on his blog to counter perceptions the Gulf was clean again, a spin he dismissed as "deception by dispersal."

While BP and federal managers were stressing how hard it had become to find enough oil to skim, Kistner was motoring with a local fisherman through big, mostly lifeless pockets of what resembled "spongy orange cake batter'' that put out an overpowering odor "like being stuck in a gas station with all the pump nozzles pointing at your face."

Local shrimpers, he said, worry BP's heavy use of chemical dispersants, sanctioned by the federal government as a trade-off to keep oil from fragile marshes and off vulnerable sea birds, instead has left it to settle into their fishing grounds, out of sight and mind.

"You start trawling shrimp boats through that stuff, you're setting yourself up with a big mess," Kistner said. "That's going to start this whole chain reaction."

Many scientists share the concerns. They say dispersants and submerged oil are X-factors complicating cleanup and making the prospects of a quick Gulf recovery uncertain.

BP's blownout well poured 10 to 20 times the volume of oil into the Gulf of Mexico than the Exxon Valdez spill into Prince William Sound in Alaska. BP added another 1.8 million gallons of Corexit, a dispersant federal environmental regulators acknowledge can kill or disrupt reproduction in everything from plankton to fish.

The oil giant's submersible robots pumped three-quarters of a million gallons directly into the flow at the sea-floor, a technique never tried or tested before. Scientists suspect the dispersant contributed to the creation of the massive plumes discovered extending as far as 142 miles in one direction from the blown-out well and 42 miles in another.

"That's really the big, big issue," said Susan Shaw, director of the Marine Environmental Research Institute in Maine. "Once you have got that dispersed oil, there is no way to clean it."

The concentrations, ranging from 0.5 to 0.75 parts per million near the well to trace levels farther away fall below the 1 part per million mark considered toxic for marine life. But biologists warn that exposure, particularly over time, could harm or disrupt reproduction for some marine life, particularly for plankton and larvae that form the base of the marine food chain.

Shaw, among a group of scientists who formally urged the federal government to halt dispersant use, believes the combination of oil and chemicals would be more toxic than either alone — with solvents helping oil penetrate cells.

Robert Weisberg, a professor of oceanography at the University of South Florida, whose analysis of currents helped direct colleagues to the plumes, said it could take years, and generations of fish, for scientists to assess the spill's full impacts.

For now, he said, it's only a guess how much oil may be down there and whether it's harmless or harmful.

"We are operating out of ignorance," he said. "It may be no threat whatsoever or it may be a serious threat. The concentrations are low but we're talking about a very large area."

Federal cleanup commanders stress that they're committed to capturing every barrel possible — and getting BP to pay for it. With slicks harder to find at sea, they're shifting local boats from skimming to tarball patrols, a job Allen predicted would continue for at least four to six weeks.

Oceanographer Hans Graber, director of the University of Miami's satellite sensing facility, expects oil problems to persist long after the last skimmer has docked and the last boom picked up, decontaminated and packed away.

"It's probably a fair guess to say we're looking at years, if not tens of years, for

all of this stuff to eventually come to the surface'' he said.



Read more: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/07/30/98431/when-will-spill-be-cleaned-up.html#ixzz0vY02uoz8

[Elandiel BernElve]

This might sound weird, and I haven't got any proof or written articles in English about it that I can refer you to.

But Dolphins can be a reason for a faster clean up of the oil spill.

I think we all agree Dolphins are extraordinary creatures that surpass our understanding in many ways. They posess powers we don't understand nor know about.
I'm not sure how this is appreciated here in Avalon but to me they might be guardians and helpers to this planet. Always joyful and loving. Some even considering it to be extra terrestials from origin.

I read some dutch articles stating that using their sonar and special abilities they can dissolve oil on a molecular level using whether their sonar or other psionic abilities.
As scientifically proven before, the ocean seems to contain a lot of bacteria that thrive on the presence of oil. Dolphins seem to activate and route these bacterias making them more efficient.
They're like the CO's (commanding officers) of the ocean, organizing it's defenses.

As we don't have big brother cameras with CBS eyes in the ocean we can't imagine on what level life manages to survive and organize itself there.

I tend to believe this Dolphin theory to some extent and give them credit for their courage to help us.

Love & Peace

[Snowbird]

The answer to the title question on this thread, Where did all the oil go?, is the same question that will be asked by TPTB. The answer to this question, will be used to calm the masses and will be used to relieve TPTB of any and all wrong-doing.

The question should really be, Where did all the Corexit go? We know where all the oil is. Its at the bottom of the Gulf. In fact, it has been estimated that 99% of the oil plumes are now resting on the bottom of the ocean floor. The hundreds of thousands of barrels of Corexit accomplished that.

It is the Corexit that is killing all life in the Gulf of Mexico.

Where did all the Corexit go?

[Pan]

Where did all the Corexit go?

Yup, that is indeed the question we should be asking.
And to add, where will it go next?

The insanity has no limit in this event. :(

[sjkted]

I have a theory on this. From watching the public coverage and hearing the first-hand witness accounts, it should be no surprise to everyone that nearly everything BP has done is to avoid or minimize liability. By keeping media and scientists out of the disaster area, there could be no accurate count of how many barrels/gallons had spilled other than what BP decided to state. If BP was able to dump massive amounts of oil-eating microbes into the water, much of the oil could literally "disappear" by the time they opened it back up to the public. By that time, there would be absolutely no evidence of the oil and BP would avoid liability for a larger quantity of oil spilled.

--sjkted

[Ba-ba-Ra]

I have a theory on this. From watching the public coverage and hearing the first-hand witness accounts, it should be no surprise to everyone that nearly everything BP has done is to avoid or minimize liability. By keeping media and scientists out of the disaster area, there could be no accurate count of how many barrels/gallons had spilled other than what BP decided to state. If BP was able to dump massive amounts of oil-eating microbes into the water, much of the oil could literally "disappear" by the time they opened it back up to the public. By that time, there would be absolutely no evidence of the oil and BP would avoid liability for a larger quantity of oil spilled.

--sjkted

Yes sjkted,

I have to agree - and I also agree that the corexit is as big of a problem as the oil. It has already shown up in the larvae of the crabs. I am very concerned that they are already opening up certain areas to fishing. Supposedly the University of Calif. has tested the fish being sent out to the public markets for oil, but I've seen no reports that they've tested these fish for corexit. And has anyone tested the rain falling in the states around the Gulf to see if corexit is now being spread that way? I doubt it.

Although I must say I love the dolphin info ~ perhaps we all need to focus are energy to these lovely creatures and than believe in miracles!

Peace, Ba-ba-Ra

[LeeEllisMusic]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/03/missing-gulf-coast-oil-ap_n_669243.html

Missing Gulf Coast Oil Appears To Be Welling Up Under Barrier Island Beaches 08- 3-10 04:00 PM


Last week, BP managed to finally cap the Deepwater Horizon oil volcano and the media suddenly found itself in the grips of a baffling problem with object permanence. Where did all the oil go, they wondered. Had it disappeared? Was it eaten by microbes? Did it get Raptured up to Oil Heaven? It was a mystery, wrapped in a miracle! At least it was until Mother Jones reporter Mac McClelland took about a minute to send some text messages to colleagues in the field, inquiring after the oil's whereabouts. They answered back: Where is the oil? How does all over the place grab you?

Over at The Upshot, Brett Michael Dykes highlights this report from WVUE in New Orleans, which confirms that the oil did not, in fact, fortuitously disappear into thin air:

According to WVUE correspondent John Snell, local officials dispatched a dive team to a barrier island off of southeastern Louisiana's Plaquemines parish to scan the sea floor for oil. The team, however, could barely see the sea floor, due to the current murky state of the area waters. But when the divers returned to shore, they made a rather remarkable discovery: tiny holes that burrowing Hermit crabs had dug into the ground effectively became oil-drilling holes. When the divers placed pressure on the ground near the holes, oil came oozing up.
WATCH:

http://video.yahoo.com/watch/8001294/21211370

[MargueriteBee]

It seems to me that the 'reason' for the oil spill was to get as much corexit intot the ecosystem as possible. In order to destroy it.

First Hurricane Katrina and now this, why is the Gulf under attack?

[Snowbird]

Yup, that is indeed the question we should be asking.
And to add, where will it go next?

The insanity has no limit in this event. :(


Yes sjkted,

I have to agree - and I also agree that the corexit is as big of a problem as the oil. It has already shown up in the larvae of the crabs. I am very concerned that they are already opening up certain areas to fishing. Supposedly the University of Calif. has tested the fish being sent out to the public markets for oil, but I've seen no reports that they've tested these fish for corexit. And has anyone tested the rain falling in the states around the Gulf to see if corexit is now being spread that way? I doubt it.

Although I must say I love the dolphin info ~ perhaps we all need to focus are energy to these lovely creatures and than believe in miracles!

Peace, Ba-ba-Ra

The rain has been tested at various times and to varying degrees. One such test which took place a number of years ago, as told by Dr. Ted Loder from The Orion Project, was performed hundreds of miles from the coasts after a huge rainstorm that originated from the coasts. What was found, which can be heard at the link below, at around the 2-minute mark, was marine plankton in the rainfall.

We've all heard about hundreds of frogs and fish being rained down on cities around the globe. Corexit can easily be picked up during a storm and carried hundreds if not thousands of miles. What is thought to be acid rain is already happening in Ohio, Iowa, New York, etc. This is the reason that people everywhere are being urged to find a water supply that can be trusted.

BP Oil Spill [World Puja] with Dr. Steven Greer (June 11, 2010) Part 3 of 6

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmuWyUJvOPw&feature=related

[sunnyrap]

David Wilcock, who, whatever else you may think about him, is a fine researcher with some definite insider connections, has a more positive report on the oil spill:
http://divinecosmos.com/index.php/start-here/davids-blog/856-endoilspill

[Snowbird]

David Wilcock, who, whatever else you may think about him, is a fine researcher with some definite insider connections, has a more positive report on the oil spill:
http://divinecosmos.com/index.php/start-here/davids-blog/856-endoilspill

I normally don't follow DW, but that doesn't mean that I mistrust his judgment.

He seems to relax a bit in the article that you posted, Sunnyrap. What caught my attention, I have copied/pasted below.

I cannot ever know for certain if the data I get is true -- and of course, if you post something that turns out to be incorrect, a chorus of naysayers immediately try to pin your entire credibility on what this one insider said to you. It's a mess.

The most sickening thing I learned is that the New World Order forces originally were planning on allowing this gusher to continue without interruption.

This way they could continue pursuing their goals of reducing the population of the planet. Furthermore, the crises could lead to massive migrations and even martial law to manage the chaos.

Suffice it to say that the things I heard about what would happen if they did not stop this were even worse than what most of the paranoid conspiracy sites were talking about.

They no longer had a handy-dandy tool to pursue their sickening goals of population reduction. Instead, they had a situation that would destroy life on Earth for everyone if it was not stopped -- including their own friends, allies, wives and children.

[Swami]

Corexit Tied To 'Dengue Fever' In Florida?

Outbreak Leads Back To CIA And Army Experiments
By H.P. Albarelli Jr. and Zoe Martell
7-22-10


Because of these reported cases, the Florida Keys Mosquito Control District conducted greatly increased aerial spraying to control mosquitoes. Following the spraying, a small amount of other cases were reported, including that of a 41-year-old Key West man who found blood in his urine and had severely aching joints. Following these additional reports, the CDC launched its study of antibodies in Key West residents and found that 5 percent of the town's residents have been exposed to the dengue virus. Said CDC dengue expert, Dr. Christopher J. Gregory, "The best estimate from the survey is that about 5 percent of [residents] was infected in 2009 with dengue." Gregory also stated, "We have known for a while it is a possible risk, but this outbreak shows it is more than possible: It is something that did happen and could happen again."

Despite the low-key nature of the Florida release, the Homeland Security Administration immediately issued a "terror alert" concerning the findings and Monroe County, within which Key West is located, also issued its own health advisory warning "effective immediately."

http://www.rense.com/general91/corex.htm

[Wood]

I 'd like to suggest the possibility that the healing energy coming from focused meditation by many people (thousands?) might have helped.
Of course it is something that can't be proven.
I find it strange how the situation has gone from awful to [almost] fixed so quickly, and some people (Bill Ryan included) talked about a change they felt, a change in the energy.

[Pan]

I 'd like to suggest the possibility that the healing energy coming from focused meditation by many people (thousands?) might have helped.
Of course it is something that can't be proven.
I find it strange how the situation has gone from awful to [almost] fixed so quickly, and some people (Bill Ryan included) talked about a change they felt, a change in the energy.

Well, there certainly was a massive interaction with the energy field. I don't need anyone's proof for that.
And I know many people focused their thoughts on the situation.

But I think we should avoid the trap of falling into a purely metaphysical explanation.
Miracle's do happen, but I'm more inclined to think that we were being and are being played.

[sjkted]

Well, there certainly was a massive interaction with the energy field. I don't need anyone's proof for that.
And I know many people focused their thoughts on the situation.

But I think we should avoid the trap of falling into a purely metaphysical explanation.
Miracle's do happen, but I'm more inclined to think that we were being and are being played.

I don't normally side with DW, but in this case I think he's pretty much on the ball when he says this is a frequency war. Our collective thoughts do manifest the future. If we all believe 100% that doom and gloom will happen, the potential will be created for it to happen, and then nobody will bother to stop it because they are stuck in apathy.

This in many ways reminds me of swine flu. It was much hyped by both the government and the alternative media (of course, radically different views). In the end, no swine flu materialized and aside from a few cases here in there, I haven't heard of many cases who died or suffered from either the swine flu or the vaccine.

I'm not trying to marginalize how serious it is of the people who have lost their livelihoods and health in the Gulf, but it's just not quite on that same level as an ELE.

--sjkted

[Dougall]

Did the USOs get some?:gossip:

[LeeEllisMusic]

Gulf Oil Spill Gone? Not So Fast, Says Texas A&M Oceanographer
http://www.kbtx.com/home/headlines/100038259.html

COLLEGE STATION, Aug. 5, 2010 - Reports saying that 75 percent of the gulf oil spill has either been cleaned up or broken down by natural forces are likely incorrect, and there are still big problems lurking beneath the surface of the Gulf of Mexico, says a Texas A&M scientist who conducted one of the first on-site studies of the spill.

John Kessler, assistant professor of oceanography in the College of Geosciences, says reports that most of the gulf oil has disappeared and appears no longer to be a problem are misleading, if not totally inaccurate. Bottom line, he explains: there are still large amounts of oil and gas in the gulf and they still pose big problems.


"Recent reports seem to say that about 75 percent of the spill has been taken care of, and that is just not true," Kessler says.

"These reports seem to indicate that about 25 percent of the spill has been recovered or removed, another 25 percent has been dispersed, and another 25 percent has been evaporated or dissolved. But the reality is that only 25 percent has been removed from the ocean - the rest is still out there. Just because the form of the material is now dissolved or dispersed doesn't mean it isn't in the ocean and doesn't pose significant problems."

Kessler, who headed a National Science Foundation research expedition to the site in mid-June and reported finding methane levels about 100,000 times above normal near and at the gulf spill site, says the public perception now appears to be that "the gulf oil spill problem is just about over and we don't have to worry about it.

"It's true the well has been capped and the oil is not flowing, and that's good," he notes. "And it also appears the problem of oil pushing into the wetlands and marshes may be decreasing thanks to efforts to remove oil from the ocean surface, which is also encouraging.

"But the fact is that 50 to 75 percent of the material that came out of the well is still in the water - it's just in a dissolved or dispersed form," he says.

He notes that even oil and gas that has been broken down naturally, or bio-degraded, still can present problems because it tends to remove oxygen from the water. If enough oxygen is removed, the waters can become hypoxic and these oxygen-depleted waters can create "dead zones" that can be harmful to marine life.

"Even if it is dissolved or dispersed, the oil can still be toxic to marine life even in very small amounts," he adds.

"Also, the reports coming out mention nothing of the huge amounts of natural gas we know that came out alongside the oil, and this methane is almost one-half of the material that was emitted from the well. We know a very large plume or cloud of methane still exists about 3,000 feet below the ocean surface, and that's a huge concern itself.

"The bottom line is, this problem has not gone away as some recent reports seem to indicate," Kessler continues. "There are still large amounts of oil and gas in the gulf - just because we see less at the surface doesn't mean it isn't there."

[Swanny]

Haha I think it's brilliant that people believe aliens fixed it for us :sarcastic:
Maybe the Galactic federation of light has its pension fund linked with BP :rofl:

[Wood]

Haha I think it's brilliant that people believe aliens fixed it for us :sarcastic:
Maybe the Galactic federation of light has its pension fund linked with BP :rofl:

I fail to see who has mentioned aliens here. You see the GFL everywhere Swanny :)

[bluestflame]

still rekon the thicker stuff is still deeper where it's not likely to be visible unless you're down 5 miles deep and the oils viscosity has some affect on the ocean currents , oil flows differently than water

[Swanny]

I fail to see who has mentioned aliens here. You see the GFL everywhere Swanny :)

It's in one of the other oil threads :)

[ascendingstarseed]

Dahr Jamail has done excellent investigative reporting on the BP spill and uncovering the lies behind the "vanishing oil" syndrome, here are four very good articles on the situation in the Gulf

Excerpts from three of the four articles:

"In Hancock County, Mississippi, Brian Adam, the EMA director, reported, “We’re still seeing tar balls everyday, and I’m not talking just a few tar balls. We’re seeing a good amount everyday on the beaches.”

According to Adam, a rock jetty near Waveland became covered in one thousand pounds of tar balls in only three days time. Keith Ladner, owner of Gulf Shores Sea Products and a longtime supplier of seafood, said this of some full-sized crabs he found near the mouth of Bay St. Louis: “You could tell it was real slick and dark in color so I grabbed it, and opened the back of the crab, and you could see in the ‘dead man’ or the lungs of the crabs…you could see the black.”
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“We’re poisoning the entire Gulf of Mexico food web,” Hobbs, who is also an instructor and advisor in the Environmental Studies Department at University of West Florida, told IPS, “It’s crazy, and it’s criminal. I’m deeply concerned with the long-term ecological and human impact.”

Dr. Cake is among a large and growing group of scientists who are discussing a grim future for much of the Gulf of Mexico as a result of BP’s disaster.
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Without any clear cut scientific testing that would say it [fish/shrimp] is safe from dispersants, we can’t do this,” he explained, “The oil didn’t just go away overnight, and they have huge concerns about the cleanup.”

Guidry told Truthout that all the commercial spokespeople at the meeting last week shared this concern: “It seems the feds are more concerned with limiting BP’s liability than anything else.”

Guidry feels that so far, all of the interim National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health reports “are covering up health problems. There is an effort by BP and the feds to relieve BP of the responsibility of paying respiratory illness claims. We’re going to wind up with a bunch of sick people across the Gulf before this is over, and they’ll have no recourse. It’s already happening. Some of the fishermen who went to West Jefferson hospital when this thing first started, they were out at the source and they were chemically exposed. That just got covered up like it was nothing, and blamed on food, heat stress, but it was like it all went away, and they buried it. We’re going to see health problems in the next five to 20 years and BP is relieved of the responsibility and I just don’t think that is right.”
http://dahrjamailiraq.com/

[Shairia]

They can change it's visibility but the toxic effects are obviously stil there:

http://deniselngbch.blogspot.com/2010/08/dead-fish-washing-up-in-biloxi.html?spref=tw

[Chris411]

http://www.truth-out.org/out-sight-out-mind-even-when-its-not-out-sight62137

Out of Sight, Out of Mind (Even When It's Not Out of Sight)

Monday 09 August 2010

by: Dahr Jamail and Erika Blumenfeld | Dahr Jamail's Dispatches | Report

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Workers clean up tar balls from the beach in Alabama. (Photo: BP America)

Since BP announced that CEO Tony Hayward would receive a multi-million dollar golden parachute and be replaced by Bob Dudley, we have witnessed an incredibly broad, and powerful, propaganda campaign. A campaign that peaked this week with the US government, clearly acting in BP’s best interests, itself announcing, via outlets willing to allow themselves to be used to transfer the propaganda, like the New York Times, this message: “The government is expected to announce on Wednesday that three-quarters of the oil from the Deepwater Horizon leak has already evaporated, dispersed, been captured or otherwise eliminated — and that much of the rest is so diluted that it does not seem to pose much additional risk of harm.”

The Times was accommodating enough to lead the story with a nice photo of a fishing boat motoring across clean water with several birds in the foreground.

This message was disseminated far and wide, via other mainstream media outlets like the AP and Reuters, effectively announcing to the masses that despite the Gulf of Mexico suffering the largest marine oil disaster in US history, most of the oil was simply “gone.”

Thus, it’s only what is on the surface that counts. If you can’t see it, there is not a problem.

This kind of government cover-up is nothing new, of course.

“It is well known that after the Chernobyl accident, the Soviet government immediately did everything possible to conceal the fact of the accident and its consequences for the population and the environment: it issued “top secret” instructions to classify all data on the accident, especially as regards the health of the affected population,” journalist Alla Yaroshinskaya has written.

In 1990 Yaroshinskaya came across documents about the Chernobyl nuclear catastrophe that revealed a massive state cover-up operation, coupled with a calculated policy of disinformation where the then Soviet Union’s state and party leadership knowingly played down the extent of the contamination and offered a sanitized version to the public, both in and out of Russia. To date, studies continue to show ongoing human and environmental damage from that disaster.

When the disaster at Chernobyl occurred, it was only after radiation levels triggered alarms at the Forsmark Nuclear Power Plant in Sweden that the Soviet Union admitted an accident had even occurred. Even then, government authorities immediately began to attempt to conceal the scale of the disaster.

Sound familiar?

Photo by Erika Blumenfeld © 2010

In late April, after the Deepwater Horizon rig exploded and sank into the depths and the Macondo well began gushing oil, BP and the complicit Coast Guard announced no oil was being released.The Gulf Restoration Network flew out to the scene and saw massive amounts of oil and sounded the alarm, which forced BP and the US government to admit there was, indeed, oil. Such has the trend of BP/US Government lying, countered by (sometimes) forced accountability, then to more lying, been set.

These most recent, and most blatant of the BP/US Government propaganda gems are easily undermined by countless facts. Reality and truth always, given time, find a way to surface…just like BP’s dispersed oil.

Two captains of so-called “vessels of opportunity” helping with the cleanup recently told Times-Picayune reporter Bob Marshall that they saw more oil at South Pass on Tuesday than they have during the entire crisis.

“I don’t know where everyone else is looking, but if they think there’s no more oil out there, they should take a ride with me,” charter captain Mike Frenette said.

Another captain, Don Sutton, saw floating tar balls for 15 miles from South Pass to Southwest Pass. “And that wasn’t all we saw. There were patches of oil in that chocolate mousse stuff, slicks and patches of grass with oil on them,’” he said.

Yesterday I spoke with Clint Guidry, a Louisiana fisherman who is on the Board of Directors of the Louisiana Shrimp Association and the Shrimp Harvester Representative on the Louisiana Shrimp Task Force created by Executive Order of Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal.

“Right now, there is more oil in Barataria Bay than there has been since this whole thing started on April 20,” Guidry told me.

BP oil is now turning up under the shells of post-larval blue crabs all across the northern Gulf of Mexico. Nearly all the crab larvae collected to date by researchers, from Grand Isle, Louisiana all the way over to Pensacola, Florida, have oil under their shells. Further analysis is showing that the crabs likely also contain BP’s Corexit dispersant.

On August 5th it was reported that a pair of fishermen in Mississippi “made an alarming discovery that has many wondering what’s happening below the surface” of the Gulf of Mexico. They found several full-sized crabs filled with oil.

In Hancock County, Mississippi, Brian Adam, the EMA director, reported, “We’re still seeing tar balls everyday, and I’m not talking just a few tar balls. We’re seeing a good amount everyday on the beaches.”

According to Adam, a rock jetty near Waveland became covered in one thousand pounds of tar balls in only three days time. Keith Ladner, owner of Gulf Shores Sea Products and a longtime supplier of seafood, said this of some full-sized crabs he found near the mouth of Bay St. Louis: “You could tell it was real slick and dark in color so I grabbed it, and opened the back of the crab, and you could see in the ‘dead man’ or the lungs of the crabs…you could see the black.”

The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) report from Wednesday claims that 33 percent of BP’s oil in the Gulf has been either burned, skimmed, dispersed, or directly recovered by cleanup operations. NOAA goes on to claim that another 25 percent has evaporated into the atmosphere or dissolved in the water, and another 16 percent has been naturally dispersed. Of the remaining 26 percent, NOAA claims that amount is either washed ashore, been collected from beaches, is buried along the coasts, or is still on or just below the surface.

University of South Florida chemical oceanographer David Hollander says these estimates are “ludicrous.” Of the NOAA report, Hollander says, “It’s almost comical.”

Other scientists also immediately expressed their doubts of the validity of the NOAA report, while toxicologists expect to be busy tracking the effects of BP’s toxic dispersants “for years.”

Giant plumes of BP’s sub-surface dispersed oil are floating around the Gulf of Mexico, as confirmed recently by researchers from the University of South Florida.

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It was also recently revealed that the worst dead zone in 25 years has been recorded in Gulf of Mexico waters. Of course it’s likely a given that this is due to BP’s liberal use of dispersants.

“To judge from most media coverage, the beaches are open, the fishing restrictions being lifted and the Gulf resorts open for business in a healthy, safe environment,” environmental activist Jerry Cope wrote recently, “We, along with Pierre LeBlanc, spent the last few weeks along the Gulf coast from Louisiana to Florida, and the reality is distinctly different. The coastal communities of Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, and Florida have been inundated by the oil and toxic dispersant Corexit 9500, and the entire region is contaminated. The once pristine white beaches that have been subject to intense cleaning operations now contain the oil/dispersant contamination to an unknown depth. The economic impacts potentially exceed even the devastation of a major hurricane like Katrina, the adverse impacts on health and welfare of human populations are increasing every minute of every day and the long-term effects are potentially life threatening.”

Cope continued:

“In May, Mother Nature Network blogger Karl Burkart received a tip from an anonymous fisherman-turned-BP contractor in the form of a distressed text message, describing a near-apocalyptic sight near the location of the sunken Deepwater Horizon — fish, dolphins, rays, squid, whales, and thousands of birds – “as far as the eye can see,” dead and dying. According to his statement, which was later confirmed by another report from an individual working in the Gulf, whale carcasses were being shipped to a highly guarded location where they were processed for disposal.”

“Local fisherman in Alabama report sighting tremendous numbers of dolphins, sharks, and fish moving in towards shore as the initial waves of oil and dispersant approached in June. Many third- and fourth-generation fishermen declared emphatically that they had never seen or heard of any similar event in the past. Scores of animals were fleeing the leading edge of toxic dispersant mixed with oil. Those not either caught in the toxic mixture and killed out at sea, or fortunate enough to be out in safe water beyond the Source, died as the water closed in, and they were left no safe harbor. The numbers of birds, fish, turtles, and mammals killed by the use of Corexit will never be known as the evidence strongly suggests that BP worked with the Coast Guard, the Department of Homeland Security, the FAA, private security contractors, and local law enforcement, all of which cooperated to conceal the operations disposing of the animals from the media and the public.”

Cope added, “The Gulf of Mexico from the Source into the shore is a giant kill zone.”

Earlier this week, marine biologist, toxicologist and Exxon Valdez survivor Dr. Riki Ott took a flight over southern Louisiana. Here’s some of what she wrote about it:

“Bay Jimmy on the northeast side of Barataria Bay was full of oil. So was Bay Baptiste, Lake Grande Ecaille, and Billet Bay. Sitting next to me was Mike Roberts, a shrimper with Louisiana Bayoukeepers, who has grown up in this area. His voice crackled over the headset as I strained to hold the window. “I’ve fished in all these waters - everywhere you can see. It’s all oiled. This is the worst I’ve seen. This is a heart-break…”

“We followed thick streamers of black oil and ribbons of rainbow sheen from Bay Baptiste and Bay Jimmy south across Barataria Bay through Four Bayou Pass and into the Gulf of Mexico. The ocean’s smooth surface glinted like molten lead in the late afternoon sun. Oil. As far as we could see: Oil.”

“When we landed after our 2-hour flight, our pilot told us that she sometimes has to wipe an oily reddish film off the leading edges of her plane’s wings after flying over the Gulf. Hurricane Creekkeeper John Wathem documented similar oily films on planes he chartered for Gulf over-flights. Bonnie doesn’t wear gloves when she wipes her plane. She showed me her hands — red rash, blisters, and peeling palms.

If peeling palms are an indication of the oil-solvent stew, the reddish film on Bonnie’s plane and others means that the stew is not only in the Gulf, it is in the rain clouds above the Gulf. And in the middle of hurricane season, this means the oil-solvent mix could rain down anywhere across the Gulf.”

Dean Blanchard, one of the most important seafood purchasers in Louisiana, recently attended a Town Hall Meeting with a BP representative in Grand Isle, Louisiana.

In the meeting, Blanchard stands up and addresses the BP representative at length.

“Ya’ll didn’t give me enough money to pay my bills. I can show you. For the electric bill and everything. What I’ve collected from BP, so far since this started, is less than what I paid out in bills. And I’ve cut my things down to rock bottom. But how do you expect a man to live on less than 10 percent of what I was projected to make? I don’t believe there’s anybody in this country who could pay their bills with just 10 percent of their check. We borrowed money preparing for shrimping season and this happened at the worst possible time.”

Blanchard added, “I ain’t got no job, and no money, and Mr. Hayward gets $18 million and a new job. That’s hard to take. Let me tell you. Very, very hard to take.”

I should point out that from my first days Louisiana, I’ve been hearing from fishermen working on BP’s clean-up operations that BP is using night flights to drop dispersant on oiled bays. I’ve seen video taken by fishermen of a white-foamy substance in the marsh the morning after these flights took place.

Blanchard went on to say that he felt that BP did not want to clean up the oil, that it was more cost effective for them to leave it in the water than to clean it up, and then mocked the preposterous government claim that most of the oil is gone because you cannot see it from the air.

The BP rep, Jason, clearly nervous, later responds by saying, “We are doing over-flights, our task forces are looking for oil each day. We have a communications room where they are able to call in sightings of oil, from the boats, from the task forces. There is…I understand the anger and I understand the frustration. A couple of things that Dean said I have to take exception to. We do want to clean up this oil. I can understand frustration. I can understand seeing certain people getting certain amounts of money and some of the things that people see. But someone is going to have to explain to me why BP would not want to clean up this oil.”

Blanchard had clearly heard enough of BP’s propaganda. To the representatives’ request to have someone explain to him why BP would not want to clean up the oil, Blanchard angrily obliged:

“Because it’s more cost effective for ya’ll to come at night and sink the son-of-a-bitch! When the oil’s coming around, they call ya’ll, they tell ya’ll where the oil’s at, and the first thing ya’ll do is tell them to go the other way, ya’ll send the planes, and ya’ll ****ing sink it! [Spray dispersants from the air] That’s what ya’ll are doing, come on man!” He sits back down angrily. “Let’s quit playing over here and tell the truth. Ya’ll are sinking the oil, Jason! You know ya’ll are sinking it. You know what ya’ll are doing. Ya’ll are sending all the boats, you’re putting them all in a group at night, we all hear the planes, and the next morning there’s nothing but white bubbles! What do you think, we’re stupid? We’re not stupid! Ya’ll are putting the oil on the bottom of my fishing grounds! Ya’ll not only messing me up now, ya’ll are messing me up for the rest of my life! I ain’t gonna live long enough to buy anymore shrimp!”

The lives of Gulf coast fishermen and residents are being destroyed. Scientists, environmentalists, and toxicologists are describing the Gulf of Mexico as a growing dead zone, a kill zone, and an energy sacrifice zone. As you read this, oil is everywhere around southeastern Louisiana, and continually washing ashore in Alabama and Mississippi.

Meanwhile, Doug Suttles, BP’s chief operating officer, announced Friday that the company may not give up on its claims on the Macondo well. “There’s lots of oil and gas here,” he said, “We’re going to have to think about what to do with that at some point.”

Of this, Louisiana’s St. Bernard Parish President Craig Taffaro said it’s no secret that BP wants to drill again. In fact, he said, it has been part of his conversations with BP since the oil crisis began.

Let us be clear about who, and what, we are dealing with here.

[ascendingstarseed]

[QUOTE=Chris411;43174]http://www.truth-out.org/out-sight-out-mind-even-when-its-not-out-sight62137

Out of Sight, Out of Mind (Even When It's Not Out of Sight)

Monday 09 August 2010

Hey Chris, This article is one of the articles included at Jamails website that I posted above, I only included excerpts and didn't post all four articles here to save bandwidth....he has three more stories that expose the cover up that's going on very well, you should check out his website for the rest.
http://dahrjamailiraq.com/

[Chris411]

[QUOTE=Chris411;43174]http://www.truth-out.org/out-sight-out-mind-even-when-its-not-out-sight62137

Out of Sight, Out of Mind (Even When It's Not Out of Sight)

Monday 09 August 2010

Hey Chris, This article is one of the articles included at Jamails website that I posted above, I only included excerpts and didn't post all four articles here to save bandwidth....he has three more stories that expose the cover up that's going on very well, you should check out his website for the rest.
http://dahrjamailiraq.com/

Hi ascendingstarseed,

I am sorry for the confusion. You are right. I will be more careful next time.

Chris

[fifi]

Oil well blowout in Louisiana

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-481102?hpt=T2

CNN producer note
"lsucowboy told me he and his father are sugarcane farmers. He shot this video the morning of August 11 showing an oil well blowout. Assumption Parish emergency officials told me the oil well blowout occurred at around 4 a.m. and that the well is still spewing. They also told me that cleanup is underway and a few evacuations have occurred due to the incident. lsucowboy told me he is concerned about runoff due to the blowout, and added that he is in contact with environmental quality."
- nsaidi, CNN iReport producer

iReport — Oil well in the middle of a sugarcane field blew out last night. Oil and natural gas are shooting into the air. Oil is coming down like rain a mile away. This is in Assumption Parish Louisiana.

[ascendingstarseed]

[QUOTE=ascendingstarseed;43356]

Hi ascendingstarseed,

I am sorry for the confusion. You are right. I will be more careful next time.

Chris

Hey no worries Chris, my post didn't clearly list the titles to the articles either so it was easy to overlook...all four stories were worthy of attention so instead of using up a whole page of bandwith I just posted excerpts to get peoples attention to the story.

[nomadguy]

Here is some more info on this - http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5798&start=405&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=
- http://fintandunne.blogspot.com/2010/08/oil-surging-from-sea-floor-near-bp-gulf.html
* - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bCkT2krT_w&feature=player_embedded
* - http://fintandunne.com/images/BP/bklim1.jpg

[Chris411]

BP OIL SPILL ...WE FOUND THEIR MISSING OIL & COREXIT FILLED BLUE CRABS! MIRROR THIS & PASS ON.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuMj7KruXk0&feature=player_embedded#at=54

Also check the related videclips on the right of this Youtube clip for additional information on the "evaporated" oil and Corexit

[Teakai]

I listened to Veritas tonight and James Fox was on. Apparently the oil is below the water as, due to the corexit it is heavier than the water and therefore sinks.

It seems that the EPA has issued BP fines of $4000:00/barrel of oil BP collects from the spill, which is a pretty big incentive for sweeping it under the mat.

http://www.veritasshow.com/veritasplayer.html episode 90.1

[LeeEllisMusic]

Could CNN possibly be waking up?

CNN - Seafloor covered in oil 40 miles south of Panama City FL - HEADING EAST


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-X0dFeQ0xV0

[fifi]

"WASHINGTON – Researchers are warning that the Gulf of Mexico oil spill is a bigger mess than the government claims and that a lot of crude is lurking deep below the surface, some of it settling perhaps in a critical undersea canyon off the Florida Panhandle.

The evidence of microscopic amounts of oil mixing into the soil of the canyon was gathered by scientists at the University of South Florida, who also found poisoned plant plankton — the vital base of the ocean food web — which they blamed on a toxic brew of oil and dispersants.
....
Marine scientist Chuck Hopkinson, also with the University of Georgia, raised the obvious question: "Where has all the oil gone? It hasn't gone anywhere. It still lurks in the deep."

Read more at

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100818/ap_on_sc/us_gulf_oil_spill;_ylt=Ak.LU7p3lcC2_A3ZgfMwcLOs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTNoanBidXVpBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMTAwODE4L3V zX2d1bGZfb2lsX3NwaWxsBGNjb2RlA21vc3Rwb3B1bGFyBGNwb3MDMgRwb3MDOARwdANob21lX2Nva2UEc2VjA3luX3RvcF9zdG9 yeQRzbGsDZ3VsZnN1cmZhY2Vj