CIT Pentagon Theory Does Not Hold-up to Honest Scrutiny

[Oouthere]

Have the conspiracy theorists been take for a lopsided ride by CIT (Citizens Investigation Team; old www.pentacon.com)?

I recently started reviewing some data that cannot be made to fit into a flyover theory as they propose.
a. The turbine and diffuser section of a RB-211 engine that was photographed in the Pentagon debris.
b. The damaged generator and fence in front of the Pentagon.
c. The C-130 pilot that saw the plane hit the Pentagon.

Points in their favor include witness testimonies of 13 people stating they saw a different flight path from the official flight path (which was later changed). What made me believe without reservation in the flyover theory was Pentagon Police Officer Roosevelt’s testimony concerning a second plane banking over the Pentagon parking lot AFTER the initial impact. But after listening to the full recorded phone of Officer Roosevelt he states “it wasn’t a jet, it was a commercial aircraft.” Just listening to him it appears he really has no idea what he saw, hardly understanding the difference between a jet engine or turbo-prop engine.

After listening to how the phone call in its entirety and how they pick and choose the testimonies, I’m inclined to think a 757 did impact Pentagon. That does not mean I believe it was not allowed to impact, just that it actually did. I’ve talked to a lot of people about 9/11 and now starting to think I misled them about what actually took place.

Rich

[DreamsInDigital]

Actually, it was an CALCM AG 80 Cruise Missile that hit the Pentagon, if you check out the video on Gordon Duff's Intel Dump for May 9th 2012, you'll even see video including a photo of one painted to look like an American Airlines Jet. Also, highly suggest checking out the article on that site called "Planes , No Planes and "video fakery" " it is the most accurate to date account of what went on that day. No planes hit the WTC Twin Towers that day, they were holograms, and Flight 93 never went down, that was another Missile and staged crash site. WTC 7 was brought down with explosives. The Twin Towers, was explosives, Nukes and a Molecular Disruptor Beam, THAT is how the towers fell faster than gravity alone could have produced.

[Oouthere]

There's still the above mentioned problems as well as several others....the light poles were also knocked down by the incoming craft. So unless two such missiles were used it does not fit the incoming damage.

Rich

[DreamsInDigital]

It was not a plane, if you knew anything of aerodynamics and physics etc. You'd know it wasn't a plane either. It is literally physically IMPOSSIBLE for a plane to have struck any of the four locations that was claimed a plane struck. It was a CALCM AG80 Cruise Missile, the light poles could have been damaged AFTER to make it look like a plane did it. Please check out the articles and site I suggested, you will see the missile it's self hitting the pentagon. From a Satellite. Check out the Veterans Today articles, also there is one where Air Plane Pilots debunk the Airplanes.

There are photos of the actual missile here: If you want an alternate source to Veterans Today which is highly respected Intel Source.
http://www.theorionconspiracy.com/html/11_09_2001.html

Those Witnesses could have been planted by the government btw.

[Star Tsar]

The Question that has ALWAYS bugged me about 9-11 is where the hell where NORAD...
Wild guess running RUNNING DRILLS.
There worst day in 46 years?
I think not!
:rolleyes:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOCugL8Fpog

http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/analysis/norad/

[DreamsInDigital]

Pilots for 9-11 Truth (http://pilotsfor911truth.org/)

Veterans Today Intel Dump May 9th, with real satellite video and photo of CALCM AG Missile Hitting Pentagon. Smoking Gun Proof It was a missile! (http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/05/09/intel-dump-may-9-2012/) This link is complimented by link to photos I provided above.

9-11 The Official Acocunt of THe Pentagon attack is a Fantasy. (http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/03/13/911-the-official-account-of-the-pentagon-attack-is-a-fantasy/) Even Major Gen. Albert Stubblebine, USAF (ret.), concluded that no Boeing 757 had hit the Pentagon for the obvious reason that he could discern no imprint of the wings on the building. [Note: But it wasn't a Stinger Missile, It was a CALCM AG Missile]

9-11: Planes/No Planes and "Video Fakery" (http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/02/20/911-planesno-planes-and-video-fakery/) The best and closest/most fact filled account of what REALLY happened on 9-11. Just happened to leave out the part about the 'bodies' being tossed out of the Towers that had been taken from the Morgue to make it look like people were jumping. And, where all the passengers really went that "died".

Larry Silverstein the REAL Mastermind Behind 9-11 Nets Billions on Destruction of Towers (http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/04/10/insurer-caps-wtc-demolition-asbestos-payout-at-10-million-silverstein-laughs-all-the-way-to-the-bank/)

[Oouthere]

Hiya Dreams,

I was 10 years air force and have a degree in avionics technologies so I'd like to think I know a little about planes. I have watched practically every video out there (100's of hours) but when it comes down to the actual damage versus what is said to cause it, they do not match. Not only were there parts of a RB-211 engine, but also a photo verified 757 rim and strut.

A lot of things do not add up, not a single hi-jack button was pushed and no recorded black box data shows the pilot's cabin door ever opening after take-off. This is why I believe it was allowed to happen, it makes the most sense. Remote the planes in, overriding the pilot controls. Nothing else makes sense to me at this point.

The witnesses saw the plane coming in slowly, not barrelling in at 450 knots. So if you take into account what was seen and a slow approach then the poles could have been taken down, the generator hit, and even the wing span being shortened on the 757 due to generator impact which accounts for the smaller wing imprint on the Pentagon (still baffled about the vertical stabilizer impact though). With part of the starboard wing missing from the generator impact, this would have caused increased impact/friction on the port wing and changed the directed kinetic energy of the aircraft. That would account for the destruction path versus flight path difference.

I want the truth....nothing but the truth.

Rich

[DreamsInDigital]

That's why I am providing you the links. The Truth is It was a CALCM AG Missile but if you want to believe it was a plane, go for it. I bet the witnesses were all government plants.

[Cidersomerset]

Hi Outhere no harm in asking the question ....I tend to agree with Dreams it was a missile from the material I've seen on the many other threads and info I've seen and John Lear
was one of the first pilots to spell it out....The whole set up is false flag as KWG says...someone from inside could have only set this up with the Norad drills etc being carried out
on the same day, and all the other 9/11 coincidences, no way was that a terrorist operation...( Well it was ,but internal NWO terrorists)...

The famous Roman saying in court was " Quo Bono " Who benifits,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,and it certainly was not..Al Qaeda, Osama Bin Laden, Iraq, Afghanistan and the common people....
After ruling them out it has to be some form of internal conspiricy involving the the neo -cons who definately Benifitted from their 'New American Century' Doctrine, the
Mil ind complex , and other lackys of The New World order as fronted by Bush,Blair and others....

I do agree with the possible use of wired small planes /drones flying into the Towers, if the Holographical tech was enveloped around them, but thats speculation...
But if there was any flying at all done , I cannot see it being done by these Saudi 'patsies'. It deffinately would have been done, as you say by remote control...Steve..

Imiediatly after impact !!....The hole is visible, in the middle of the picture 2 floors down.

http://www.truthmove.org/workspace/photos-content/PentBW.jpg



After collapse of roof. !!

http://911research.wtc7.net/mirrors/guardian2/pentagon/pent-after.jpg


After the explosion...Any firedamage anyone !!
http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/2872954-16x9-940x529.jpg

I think we need a bigger hole !!

http://100777.com/images/letsroll/crash14.jpg

Four Telling images that no airliner hit the Pentagon...

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[Cidersomerset]

911 IN PLANE SITE (DIRECTORS CUT) FULL LENGTH MOVIE

kqnc75CWZAo

Now you've got me in the mood , I saw the original of this very good doc.
But not the directors cut...Its my day off I'l give it a watch ....Steve

The anylist at the end of this vid, on motive etc...sums it all up it was a
classic false flag by evil, greedy Americans, With the help of
conspiritors from around the world !

For the Benefit of a few ...." Quo Bono " at the expence and blood of everyday
Americans and peoples from around the world !!

To Quote Winston....

Never in the field of deception...

Has so many !

Been so '=crewed' !

By so few !!................

[GoodETxSG]

I guess we can coin a NEW PHRASE... "BULL CIT"
Soldiers keep quiet about the footage, but any Army SAPPER or Air Force/Navy Missile Tech would have to be blind to not see what happened... the asset damage does not match any known material science computer models... let alone the sequence of events... Lots of Military are just waiting for the chance to speak out, we were duped with Weapons of Mass Destruction and False Flag Ops even more so that the public... tears in our eyes and rage in our hearts we wanted revenge... just like my GF felt being at Pearl Harbor. When some of the info comes out the people that think the US Military is not gonna be TICKED and make some serious waves had better stand back and watch...

[Oouthere]

The government has many resources but there is no way they can plant that many witnesses. Unless you can give a valid answer to these, then you have to consider that an aircraft hit the Pentagon.

a. Light poles were knocked over with a wing span almost equaling a 757. So either a 757 (or similar sized aircraft) knocked these over or two missiles had to take them down running perfectly parallel paths. If that is the case, only one craft was seen approaching by ALL witnesses prior to the impact so how did the other poles get knocked over?

b. The generator and fence were damaged and on fire, the generator being moved toward the Pentagon as if impacted so no pre-planted explosives could have caused this.

c. A piece of AA airlines sheet metal was found on the Pentagon lawn. A turbine blade and diffuser from a 757 was found in the wreckage. A wheel strut and rim from a 757 were also found in the wreckage.

I know the presentation given by pilots for 911 truth, I’m on their list of supporters. But thinking on a different basis of an aircraft making impact makes things fit much better. I believe a lot of the black box data is inaccurate (and using this data alone is what misleads us on using their theory). You do not want the box telling everyone that the plane was being flown in an automated fashion so the file was created (two hours before the black box was found), perimeters changed, and the new file used. That is probably why no serial number info from any of the boxes was available.

Everyone believes what they are going to believe based on their perspective. All of us are effected and want to rage and place blame concerning 9/11. I have been kicked-out of chat sessions from both sides (for and against the official story), all I asked them to do was explain the details of their theory and then cross examined them. Unless you can make all of the pieces fit, a theory does not hold-up. Throwing out certain parts because it does not fit ones theory or belief is no different than believing in religion and throwing out the parts that do not fit.

I’m on the side of truth, nothing else.


Here are a few good photos of the above listed parts (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_911_20b.htm). Note that what appears to be part of a damaged rim is outside of the final exit hole.

Adding this in also from this link (http://breakfornews.com/offsitearchive/AutopilotSystemsMonaghan.pdf): During October of 1994 at NASA's Crows Landing Flight Facility in California, 110 autopilot approaches and touchdowns of a United Airlines Boeing 737 aircraft facilitated
by augmented GPS positional signals, were successfully conducted, with "accuracies on
the order of a few centimeters" being consistently achieved. [14]

[Oouthere]

Hiya Dreams,

The missile impact video is fake. The video shows the impact on the left side of the heliport, while the impact actually happened to the right side of the heliport.

General Stubblebine saw the same picture most of us were shown, the one with the fire truck spraying. Look at the pictures after the truck stopped spraying, the actual damaged wing impact area is approximately 96' (http://911review.com/articles/stjarna/eximpactdamage.html), far to large for a missile impact.

Rich

[Oouthere]

Another point to bring-up is Flight 93 that is stated to not have crashed at Shanksville, PA. It did and is provable by photographs. Several debris fields were found with some parts even being in a lake a few miles away. I believe it was shot down, that is why so many debris fields. Even Camelot has a witness stating she was there when the order was given.

Here are a good few pictures. (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread749984/pg1) There was also footage showing clothes and luggage in trees, but I cannot currently find it.

Rich

[mountain_jim]

See the latest from Veterans Today, an article about Victor Bout, that identifies the missile as a Soviet made Granit missile. (I am keeping open mind, however I am fairly positive that no commercial plane with passengers hit the pentagon)

Also includes a photos labeled as before the light poles were knocked down to simulate a plane's wings.

(excerpts below)

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/05/25/911-victor-bout-and-justice/

http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Pentagon.jpg


The Pentagon immediately after being hit by the cruise missile before it wall was collapsed and before lampposts were toppled to imitate “plane’s wings”.




Then, why is the Russian government working against Victor Bout?

Because of the Russian, to be more exact the Soviet-made missile that hit the Pentagon on 9/11.

What? I think you better explain that and, please go slowly.

The Americans, understandably, demand from the Russians to find a fall guy or a patsy (or a group of fall guys) who is/are responsible for the missile that was found in the middle of the Pentagon. Considering that the missile was actually nuclear-tipped (with a half-megaton thermo-nuclear warhead that is more than 25 times the size of the Hiroshima bomb) you can imagine that the Americans are quite insistent with their demands to the Russians to find, at last, the culprit and to surrender him to the US Justice.


The Pentagon immediately after being hit by the cruise missile before it wall was collapsed and before lampposts were toppled to imitate “plane’s wings”.

It is indeed serious. But when it comes to the Russians, they can not admit the truth – that the “Granit” missile with its thermo-nuclear warhead was stolen from the sunken “Kursk” submarine, because Putin back in 2000 solemnly declared to the world that there were no nuclear weapons on board of the sunken submarine.

What is a “Granit”?

The P-700 “Granit” missile (also known by its NATO classification as “Shipwreck” or “SS-N-19”- where “N” apparently stands for “Navy”) is the most advanced Soviet-era Navy missile. It is intended to be fired from submarines in submerged position and is primarily intended to destroy the US aircraft-carrier battle-groups. This is a highly sophisticated and highly “intelligent” missile.

The “Granit” missiles could be used to strike battle-groups and other ship orders while fired in swarms of 12 missiles in one salvo, but could be as well used in single shots – fired against single naval targets, as well as against stationary ground targets (as was demonstrated in the case of the Pentagon strike on 9/11). Each “Granit” missile weighs about 7 tons, has length of about10 meters, could fly up to 625 kmat the supersonic speed at 2.5 Mach. Each missile is typically equipped with a standard “Navy-type” 500 kiloton thermo-nuclear warhead; conventional warheads for this missile even though exist in theory, are never used in reality – so that all without any exception “Granit” missiles in service are nuclear-tipped.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Granite.jpg

Granit Missile on Display at the Factory

This missile deems to be totally indestructible, because NATO lacks any means to shot down this missile even if they detect it in advance. In fact, it was demonstrated in the case of the Pentagon attack on 9/11 – NORAD managed to detect the upcoming “Granit” missile at least 6 minutes before it struck the Pentagon. NORAD’s operational officers managed to ring the atomic alert, scramble the so-called “Doomsday plane” in response, but were not able to prevent the actual strike – the missile managed to successfully approach Washington DC and hit the wall of the Pentagon despite being detected by NORAD 6 minutes in advance. Make you own conclusions – as to the danger of this weapon.

I would also like to note, that according to the Soviet and Russian strategic plans, the submarines armed with the “Granite” missiles could be used as a “back-up” option for the retaliatory nuclear strike against the United States (while the primary role in such a strike belongs to strategic intercontinental- and submarine-launched ballistic missiles, of course).

For the reason of possible usage in the retaliatory strike the “Granit” missiles are also designed to produce airbursts above the US cities – so they are equipped with special non-contact detonators for such reason, in addition to the usual contact detonators. I should mention also that the “Granit” missile has a very advanced inertial guidance system that also has a list of pre-loaded most important NATO targets.

While flying above the ocean the “Granit” missile will scan and reconnoiter the operational theater and try to distinguish ship orders and especially aircraft-carrier battle-groups and to select the most important targets in the ship orders and to strike them in automated manner. If flying above the territory the missile will reconnoiter it too and will try to detect the most important stationary targets by comparing their coordinates with those pre-loaded in its warhead.

Once encounter such targets the missile’s on-board computer will immediately select the most important target by the order of priority and the missile will strike it. So, once the missile was fired towards Washington D.C. it compared the two most important targets – the White House and the Pentagon and “preferred” to strike the latter one as being in its “opinion” the more important target. Perhaps I should mention that this is the most heavily armored missile in the world – it is made from very thick steel and in fact it could be compared with a flying tank or with a giant bullet.

Due to its tremendous speed, weight and strength of its body this missile managed to penetrate six capital walls of the Pentagon building when it struck it on 9/11.


Actual penetration details demonstrated by the missile during the 9/11 Pentagon strike.

Ok, please continue.

You have to understand that now Putin can not afford to take his noble presidential words back and to admit that he was outright lying to the world community and that all nuclear missiles from the “Kursk” were indeed stolen. Some other solution is badly needed to meet the US demands for the “culprit” behind the Pentagon attack. And this “solution” was eventually found. The problem is that all “Granit” missiles, despite being made in the Soviet days, could only belong to Russia and to no other former Soviet republic.

Can you prove this?

Absolutely. The ‘Granit” is the Navy missile; it is not used by anyone except the Navy. In the Soviet Union there were four Navy fleets – the Arctic Fleet, the Pacific Fleet, the Baltic Fleet, and the Black See Fleet. Out of the four Russia inherited in its entirety the three fleets – the Arctic, the Baltic, and the Pacific ones. Only the Black See Fleet has been divided between Russia and Ukraine. However, the “Granit” missiles were in service only on the Pacific Fleet and on the Arctic Fleet; so such missiles could not have ended up in the hands of Ukrainians, even theoretically.

All the “Granits” must have been inherited by Russia alone. However, to shift blame away from Russia for the Pentagon strike, the Russian officials had no chance than to blame that some “Granit” missiles were allegedly a part of the Black See Fleet and for sometime they were allegedly in the temporary possession of the Ukrainians during the turmoil caused by the Soviet Union collapse and by the consecutive dividing of its property (nuclear weapons and the Black See Fleet inclusive).

For this reason the Russian secret service concocted a bogus back-dated paper-work which “revealed” that one of the heavy cruisers of the Black See Fleet was allegedly scheduled to be re-armed with the “Granit” missiles and for that reason in the last years of the Soviet rule several “Granit” missiles were allegedly transferred to the Black See Fleet and were kept there and eventually they allegedly ended up with the Ukrainians after the break up of the Soviet Union.

And, from these Ukrainians these “Granit” missiles were allegedly “stolen” and thus ended up with the terrorists (who eventually fired one of such missiles into the Pentagon on 9/11). This version is ridiculous because even if you imagine that several “Granit” missiles were indeed kept in Ukraine, intended for the re-armament of that heavy-cruiser, as claimed, these missiles would never be kept in storage with their nuclear warheads attached. In accordance with the rules, in the Soviet Union, missiles were kept in one place, while the nuclear warheads were kept in another location, moreover, under control of a different department of the military.

Only lay people who know nothing about the Soviet Armed Forces and their rules could believe such a version that it was allegedly possible for the “reckless Ukrainians” to lose the missiles and the nuclear warheads at the same time. The missiles with the attached nuclear warheads could only be stolen from one place – from a submarine in service. However, it seems that some responsible security officials believe (or “pretend to believe”) this ridiculous version with the “Ukrainian trail” which seems to successfully exonerate the Russians.

In this case the Russians are not guilty at all. Some “bad guys” who stole the missiles from Ukraine (and not from Russia) are allegedly guilty. Now they need the actual “bad guys”. Who, do you think, fits the bill? You guessed it, the infamous “Merchant of Death” and the “Lord of War”, thanks to the fact that his personality has been demonized long ago and everyone would easily believe that it was indeed Victor Bout who sells not only weapons, but NUCLEAR and even THERMONUCLEAR weapons to the highest bidder.

That is exactly why the Russians and the Americans got into this seemingly strange agreement – to frame Victor Bout. It is not so strange in reality, if you try to analyze the actual circumstances – because both parties badly need to close the Pentagon case and they simply can not find any one better than Victor Bout for the role of the scapegoat who could sell such a missile to the terrorists. There is simply no one else in the world who could fit this role.

[mountain_jim]

More discussion of this picture and events at the Pentagon from Gordon Duff

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/05/28/war-press-tv-and-death-by-political-correctness/

http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/ScreenHunter_282-May.-27-21.52.jpg



Look at this photo before the building was crashed in, tiny bits of wreckage were snuck in, carried in luggage of emergency crews….Remember the light poles that fell on a taxi owned by the husband of an FBI employee on 9/11, light poles knocked down by the imaginary airplane that hit the Pentagon? Here is a photo 1 minute after a missile hit the Pentagon, before official could come out and use equipment to knock the poles down and stage the phony crash, no wings, no engines, no plane, no bodies, and certainly not the thousands of cocktail napkins that would have spread over a mile like they do at other crashes.

(The next day, if you came out early, you would see a piece of fuselage on the lawn just above the top of the tree. It had been placed there overnight, having been flown in from crash wreckage stored in Colombia. How do I know this? Two poor guys who used to load cocaine lost a day’s work delivering that for Rumsfeld and a phony photo.)

The video may be seen here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wXdOOVhtp8

This is the actual wreckage, sitting where American Airlines flight 965 crashed on the way to Cali Colombia, little did it know it would be used again.
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