Jesus the man / JESUS the Archon – inspired by Houman’s Horus-Ra thread

[Chester]

Hi Folks, recently I read a post by 9eagle9 in Unified Serenity's thread entitled - The Real Story Behind Aliens_ Ufos_ Demons_ Illuminati & Satanism

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44935-The-Real-Story-Behind-Aliens_-Ufos_-Demons_-Illuminati-Satanism

9eagle9 in post #52 of the thread prompted me to write her a PM -

Note 9eagle9 was additionally inspired by Vivek's - Who is DRAKE... thread

Here is 9eagle9's post #52 (which I recommend reviewing to obtain context for the following)

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44935-The-Real-Story-Behind-Aliens_-Ufos_-Demons_-Illuminati-Satanism&p=486894&viewfull=1#post486894

OK, so I PM'd 9eagle9 the following -

from justoneman to 9eagle9 -

Post #52 in The Real Story Behind Aliens...

Thank you for this post - its where I have been heading - sobering... when I read it, it rang true.

I have been a piece of work of these archonic forces since early childhood. And to read this is a cold, hard slap in the face but so has so many other posts on this Avalon forum, yet this one I really needed.

9eagle9, I have read carefully several dozen of your posts... in fact in my early days on this forum, your posting style I thought was rude... then I started getting a clue... and then I opened up to the message... and now when I read one of your posts when you are dealing with someone like abc, 123, xyz (names left out intentionally), etc. I feel like I am writing your response with you.

Now make sure you understand I am not replacing my last gurus with you... not at all, or I wouldn't be getting the gist of some of your posts. In fact, what has happened is that I have essentially kicked out all the gurus... no, wrong words - the right words is that I have moved on yet with one exception and this is the purpose of my letter to you.

This Jesus guy. I am not religious. I knee-jerk suspect almost 100% if not 100% of the stories of this guy are just stories. That a man lived upon which these stories have been created I am open to and my intuition suggests he lived. That many women and men throughout history have lived bravely and [about] which stories could be told and then elevated to "prophet" or "saint" or even "son of god" status I believe have existed and many perhaps do today. But this Jesus guy seems to get a huge amount of attention and thus all sorts of "information" about him has permeated a huge segment of the information field.

Please, give me your thoughts about who/what he was - nothing offends me - please do not hold back - but I hope you would respond to me about this guy.

Take Care
justoneman



Response from 9eagle9

Lol...I'm not really guru material. People have tried to make me one and I've refused;its exhausting having people like you have mentioned clamoring around you wanting something they don't really want. Not to say I'm ego-less but guru-ing is really for ego entrenched people. You probably have an idea its a really hard work to remove one's social programming (where my rudeness comes in, I just don't go with the social conditioning of playing nice, and feigning interest in a bunch of bull****, and being politically correct. Everyone still expects that --I don't translate well into text.. he he.

Jesus appears to be a man --just a man- not much different than you or I that had a fairly basic, tuned in message, and it got perverted, corrupted, and plastered over with pre-existing stories. He was intentionally elevated to savior even though he stated that he was not. The expectation of any ascended master or guru of integrity was that we the people continue evolving spiritually to transcend even what they knew.

We actually know or at least have the capability of knowing beyond what Jesus told about much of which isn't even in the Bible. Understand that only a very small percentage of the Bible which is what Christanity is based on is actually about Jesus, just a tiny bit--a few chapters.

Much like to day, Christanity has little to do with the few parables of wisdom that Jesus spoke of but has become an institution of social programming through fear and guilt. I would expect if you or I were to achieve such infamy, in a few thousand years what we attempted to convey would be corrupted as a means of achieving power.

So just a plain old man who knew something. The ptb works through our minds, our egos. Jesus knew this, he struggled against his own mind, his ego, in the desert which was later recounted as 'struggling with the Devil.' Archonic forces. Ancient cultures understood that archonic energies worked through the ego. Angels are archons (arch-angels) and the Bible is loaded with angelic influence. If one reads the bible one will notice that angelic messengers are often countering what Jesus is saying, not supporting it.

An archon arrived and seduced Mary into thinking she would have a child of immaculate conception. The old testament God is an archon.

Just one man who knew 'something' and attempted to convey it as such, and much of it has been corrupted into a system of control.

But for some reason we remain stuck as subordinates of sorts. After 2000 years one would expect some sort of evolution. A truly ascended person would not die for another's sins knowing that an act like that is not really going to help anyone , no more than I can fix people. So either Jesus didn't understand that or ...it was made up. Afterwards archonic forces simply imposing on the local popularity of one man, and using him to take over the world.

It seems arrogant to say that we know more now than when Jesus did but that was the expectation to keep learning, evolving and knowing spiritually and we remain stuck there because of our own sense of subordination.

This pattern is repeating again with the Wilcocks /Drake thing which isn't new but just a repeat of the last episode. The **** is getting ready to hit the fan and has actually been splattering all over for a long time. The ptb knows that there isn't enough of them to contain us, so create saviors (overseers) within the herd that are under their control. Influenced by archonic energies.

more later.

"I don't have to believe everything I think."

[the_vast_mystery]

I'll admit, I have trouble sometimes properly taking in material that feels too christian-centric for exactly these reasons stated above. To view the world through a purely christian-centered or christian-lore-centered point of view ignores so much of the history and culture that developed outside of and well before Christianity or other Abrahamic religions existed. This is also why I shudder a little when people go a little too far off the deep end with "Satanic Cults" or "Luciferianism" since it's often code for conveying their own failure to escape the Christian-centered mindset and thus evidences an inability to view spiritual/occult practices not officially sanctioned as Christian as anything other than inherently evil and always bad. Such black and white thinking tends to work against the greater interest of finding the truth.

[9eagle9]

Lucifernarian energies are another concept that was badly handled by the Bible and Christianity. This disortion as archonic energies seek to hide themsleves but always out in the open, was on purpose I'm sure. It was known prior to Christianity (and Jesus) for that matter. It is just one name of many for archonic (alien) parasitical energies. Satan of course become associated with Lucifer. Satanic worship in the pure form is decidedly different from Lucifernarian. Satanic is about the veneration of the self and the ego, it is a modern day corruption of gnosticism that venerated the self in it's highest form--free of ego. That was eventually corrupted into the cult of Saturn, Saturnia.

Satanism the mainstream cult religion is about ego and they typically wouldn't risk themselves in overt blood sacrifice with the understanding they could be locked up the rest of their life behind bars--not serving the ego as its a rather hedonistic practice. Mainstream Satanism is a sort of 'play in your own ****' philosophy.

The ego has its own archonic nature, and that is what the archonic entities that play in what may regarded in the unseen world leverage--the human ego. Usually their fears, and their lack of self value, and taking advantage of the fact that humans have lost touch with their essential nature.

Lucifer practices are decidedly different and a lot more destructive; whatever one refers to them as. Because its so insidious, subtle and many tentacled its difficult to find a central source of it (no single archonic entity like a goat headed man in red union suit) so I just refer to it as Opposing forces energy. If Satanism venerates the ego Lucifernarian leverages it, manipulates it and works through it and that is how the unwitting serve it. Fear based. The fearful always crave power.

Those who are truly powerful are graceful with it. They are not hungry for it because they do not lack it.

The Bible has always reminded me of an article that is desperate to convey the nature of these opposing forces but it was at a primitive time , and locality. It is in part influenced by the highest and the lowest, reminding me that they had a clue as to what was going on but not the means to observe it or describe it due to this primitive understanding. We have evolved in that we have an understanding on how this works but still seem helpless to do anything about it. Getting people to believe contradictions in terms is the hallmark of archonic energies-god loves you, god hates you, god wants to send you to heaven, god is going ot send you to hell, God is all powerful, God can't do nothing about the devil, God is all loving, God is going to punish you....

It is duality all on it's own and the religion most taking its cue from it is duality.

Certainly there was a lot of ego in compiling the Bible so it means that it was in part archonically influenced. Still there remains episodes of pure love in the Bible along with the vilest of acts attributed to God. The problems for humans is sorting out witch is which.

Jesus didn't have a Bible Jesus had.........?

God.

Jesus spoke of everlasting life as being most important so it seems a contradiction in terms to say that his death was all important. The Bible reminds me very much of a condensation of human struggle . Jesus speaks of many high values and the reactions and responses are archonic in nature.

In reading between the lines, the Bible shows that God is supposed to be expressed through us and not have some external value to be heeded.

Duality condensed in a book, the only real dulaity is what is real and what is archonic (alien).

[the_vast_mystery]

Lucifernarian energies are another concept that was badly handled by the Bible and Christianity. This disortion as archonic energies seek to hide themsleves but always out in the open, was on purpose I'm sure. It was known prior to Christianity (and Jesus) for that matter. It is just one name of many for archonic (alien) parasitical energies. Satan of course become associated with Lucifer. Satanic worship in the pure form is decidedly different from Lucifernarian. Satanic is about the veneration of the self and the ego, it is a modern day corruption of gnosticism that venerated the self in it's highest form--free of ego. That was eventually corrupted into the cult of Saturn, Saturnia.

Satanism the mainstream cult religion is about ego and they typically wouldn't risk themselves in overt blood sacrifice with the understanding they could be locked up the rest of their life behind bars--not serving the ego as its a rather hedonistic practice. Mainstream Satanism is a sort of 'play in your own ****' philosophy.

The ego has its own archonic nature, and that is what the archonic entities that play in what may regarded in the unseen world leverage--the human ego. Usually their fears, and their lack of self value, and taking advantage of the fact that humans have lost touch with their essential nature.

Lucifer practices are decidedly different and a lot more destructive; whatever one refers to them as. Because its so insidious, subtle and many tentacled its difficult to find a central source of it (no single archonic entity like a goat headed man in red union suit) so I just refer to it as Opposing forces energy. If Satanism venerates the ego Lucifernarian leverages it, manipulates it and works through it and that is how the unwitting serve it. Fear based. The fearful always crave power.

Those who are truly powerful are graceful with it. They are not hungry for it because they do not lack it.

The Bible has always reminded me of an article that is desperate to convey the nature of these opposing forces but it was at a primitive time , and locality. It is in part influenced by the highest and the lowest, reminding me that they had a clue as to what was going on but not the means to observe it or describe it due to this primitive understanding. We have evolved in that we have an understanding on how this works but still seem helpless to do anything about it. Getting people to believe contradictions in terms is the hallmark of archonic energies-god loves you, god hates you, god wants to send you to heaven, god is going ot send you to hell, God is all powerful, God can't do nothing about the devil, God is all loving, God is going to punish you....

It is duality all on it's own and the religion most taking its cue from it is duality.

Certainly there was a lot of ego in compiling the Bible so it means that it was in part archonically influenced. Still there remains episodes of pure love in the Bible along with the vilest of acts attributed to God. The problems for humans is sorting out witch is which.

Jesus didn't have a Bible Jesus had.........?

God.

Jesus spoke of everlasting life as being most important so it seems a contradiction in terms to say that his death was all important. The Bible reminds me very much of a condensation of human struggle . Jesus speaks of many high values and the reactions and responses are archonic in nature.

In reading between the lines, the Bible shows that God is supposed to be expressed through us and not have some external value to be heeded.

Duality condensed in a book, the only real dulaity is what is real and what is archonic (alien).

Still, it seems sticking to Christian terms harms outreach. By being more scientific in naming (naming the Archons and their energy for what they do versus what they may say they are) and trying to work less through religious terms that share their taint with the rest of the bible in having been corrupted over the years then you'd be able to reach more people with the core message without them switching off. I'm sure you don't particularly care but I just thought I'd put the idea out there. Because whenever someone brings up those words they inevitably invoke the thousands of years of history that come along with them and that can make disseminating important information very difficult if you have to take a lot of extra time out for outreach and mending those fences versus just not using those terms to begin with and instead developing a more modern vocabulary while explaining to people (if they ask) in more detail where these things originate from.

A lot of what I've noticed reading into the Alternative community is that they're often doing little to nothing to fight against the misrepresentations and total misconceptions the general public has about them. They just clam up like a child saying that no one else would understand, but yet if someone were to pay more careful attention to how their message was crafted they could fight those misconceptions before they start to form. The above being just one example of how. If we want to be taken seriously at all then a lot of attention must be paid to developing a narrative and selling the core message; Ideally it shouldn't matter what words people use, but realistically it does, and quite a lot.

Anyhow, my two cents. :)

[9eagle9]

That is attributed to a psychological process of core belief and core value. Even people who claim to have discarded the belief of Christianity still operate under its core values. Most new age religions while not having the beliefs of Christianity have the core values remaining.

An example of core value/ belief would be excorcising the belief that God (old testament) is going to reward/punish you. In the Bible, God is the source of reward and punishment.

Then people get 'enlightened' and decide that God is all loving and not punishing. They cast away all those fuddy duddy archaic beliefs about Christianity....or so they think.

Then go an adopt a belief called Karma.

Now Karma is responsible for dishing out reward and punishment. The belief is different, the core value remains the same. Reward and punishment. Good karma, bad karma. The God of the Old Testament with a new name or belief system attached to it.

Karma was supposed to empowering, meaning you had power or responsibility over your choices and actions, but in the present we really don't have any control over what happened in the past, its just a sort of mindless rationalization. Modern Karma is a perversion of the Buddhist Heart Sutra which is essentially about cleaning out your core values, which one is sometimes not aware they have.

this means of people waiting for something or someone to 'save' them is a Christian core value. They may have changed their conscious beliefs, and adopted a bunch of new age beliefs that are all light and airy but they are still waiting for a messiah or a savior to save them. Christian core value. Jesus turned into the Galactic Federation of Light. Jesus has been promised to come back for how long? So has the GFL? Any day now. The end is near. The GFL is approaching Jupiter and will be here shortly.

I am not a Christian by any means but I always find it amusing that the people who are most admantly out spoken and angry about Christianity are covertly still practicing it, unbeknownst to themselves even.

Humans have the strangest core value of wishing to seek something to have authority over them , regardless if it is punishing or rewarding . Hey if its all rewards that's great. The punishing part sort of sucks 'but I deserve it because I was a **** head in my last life'. Scientifically speaking this is just cause and effect.

Humans have a core value of always expecting to be rewarded that seems to go along with these covert Christian values. The lands of milk and honey. What are they doing exactly that they should have these rewards. This rumor that Wilcocks and Fulford promotes that all our gold will be returned to us. Okay I don't recall have sevral metric tons of gold and I'm not sure what I did to deserve all this gold. Its a mechanism of Fulford's an Wilcock's programming. Hey they are great guys for wanting to share what was never theirs in the first place!!

Humans also have the core value of wanting something to save them. They have endured thousands of years of disappointment in doing this, and it 'appears' to be all out of their control, further entrenching them in the notion that something must save them. And that too is rooted in Christianity although there were early traditions and religions that promoted 'someone coming to save us' ...

This has been going on LONG before Christianity, its just a different vehicle and its because of switching out the conscious belief but not addressing what is buried in the psyche out of plain site. Core values, which of course is what archonic energies leverage.

I am surprised the human race didn't die of disappointment thousands of years back.

[9eagle9]

They just clam up like a child saying that no one else would understand, but yet if someone were to pay more careful attention to how their message was crafted they could fight those misconceptions before they start to form.

That again is the conflict between the core belief and the core value--they are usually in opposition of each other so one cannot defend it or rationally consciously explain why they are contradicting themselves. People are really not mindful or even examine their beliefs for fatal errors before adopting them.

A well known contradiction revived once more in the recent past by Inelia was that the soul is unconditional but has made a contract to come into this world to do something. Urging one to sheer off conditioning while applying more...lol.

I'm sorry but a contract is a usually a series of conditions. When I observed that which pretty much told me everything I needed to know, there was a great kerfluffle and people went into crucification mode. Me of course being the Roman who was crucifying the new messiah. I don't accept this role because I was not nailing someone to a cross, I was observing a contradiction in terms.

No answer.

None was necessary.

[the_vast_mystery]

They just clam up like a child saying that no one else would understand, but yet if someone were to pay more careful attention to how their message was crafted they could fight those misconceptions before they start to form.

That again is the conflict between the core belief and the core value--they are usually in opposition of each other so one cannot defend it or rationally consciously explain why they are contradicting themselves. People are really not mindful or even examine their beliefs for fatal errors before adopting them.

A well known contradiction revived once more in the recent past by Inelia was that the soul is unconditional but has made a contract to come into this world to do something. Urging one to sheer off conditioning while applying more...lol.

I'm sorry but a contract is a usually a series of conditions. When I observed that which pretty much told me everything I needed to know, there was a great kerfluffle and people went into crucification mode. Me of course being the Roman who was crucifying the new messiah. I don't accept this role because I was not nailing someone to a cross, I was observing a contradiction in terms.

No answer.

None was necessary.

Well not all contradictions are what they seem at first. One thing I'm still trying to figure out is how to properly temper both sides of my brain to work with and express these metaphysical concepts clearly. Predominantly Right-brained people (the one's I've known at least) do not do most of their communication verbally and if you're not fully versed in the related material they talk about then it often won't make sense. The big picture is summarized and generalized to what at times is the point of near-uselessness; detail of any kind is almost left out entirely in favor of communicating an emotion for motivation rather than instructions for action. Of course that doesn't mean a full detailed vision of an idea still isn't being communicated, just that it's assumed that people who're being conversed with will already know this or somehow are able to receive the extra information through nonverbal means during presentation. I've had one friend who epitomized this, I could be drunk to near gibberish levels and yet she would clearly hear and relate back to me every detail of what I was ranting about at the time even though I hadn't physically said anything more than a few words amongst a sea of verbal diarrhea. When I'd talk with her I noticed how her words were only rough guidelines and that mentally I wasn't responding so much to her words but rather to the stream of audio/visual approximations they triggered within my imagination (The big picture) when I received them. It was quite an odd experience. To an outsider we would seem crazy at first if you listened to us talk. But ask me what we said? I could explain it to you pretty well the second time.

So, for instance, the contradiction by Inelia you mentioned. One could be saying that within its own sphere the soul exists unconditionally by itself regardless and may unconditionally create within itself, but that when interacting with the conscious energy bodies of other beings, such as to incarnate, it must, according to the laws of free will, acquire permission to interact with them starting immediately after separating from source. Mind you, this is just me hypothesizing but a lot of what people imply when they say "look inside yourself" seems to relate to the notion that ultimately everything exists within someone's consciousness energy membrane and therefore the outside is meaningless because it is only inside some other spiritual being who's perhaps a bit larger and more well rounded. So while the soul may unconditionally create within itself and unconditionally exist, it is limited to what it knows and therefore to further grow it must enter into these many contracts for purposes of growing its knowledge (after all, why would someone else agree to let you enter their world if you offered them nothing? These beings may be every bit as odd and diverse with their beliefs as humanity only in new ways we can't yet even imagine) and therefore creative ability so that when it returns it will have what it needs. So focusing within and perfecting personality in this case would be of primary importance as this would allow you to far more easily make the arrangements to grow in other ways that would enable you to get ever continuously larger and more able to create what you desired within yourself (to the point of perhaps at some level literally being able to create a physical reality inside yourself.)

Supposing this were what she meant (and I certainly wouldn't be in a position to know) then the contradiction would be entirely created by the poor choice of language used when expressing the concepts. Namely that the term unconditional was not properly qualified in her statements. Given what I've encountered with my right-brained friends in the past I'd be inclined to say this may be what is happening in some of these cases.

[9eagle9]

So, for instance, the contradiction by Inelia you mentioned. One could be saying that within its own sphere the soul exists unconditionally by itself regardless and may unconditionally create within itself, but that when interacting with the conscious energy bodies of other beings, such as to incarnate, it must, according to the laws of free will, acquire permission to interact with them starting immediately after separating from source.

It very well could, however there is nothing preventing our gurus from further clarifying their contradictions in terms.

If one looks at things from a purely material point of view it will certainly contradict something that is expressed subconsciously, which is part of the problem .....people inadvertently leak what is going on in their subconscious.

A lot of programming is based on 'just accepting contradictions' without examining them to see how they oppose each other or how they are going to be received by others.

The Critical Barrier, as used in hypnosis, accepts anything as long as it has heard it before. Bad lies, nice sounding lies, it accepts anything but the truth which it is very Critical of . It burps these contradictions back up either verbally or textually with the same lack of discernment. If there is some truthful inner intuitive source it will not accept what that intuition has to say.

Then the contradictions are just past forward loaded to be accepted by other's critical barriers.

Logically though its the observers fault for observing the contradictions ;)

That too is old programming, if for thousands of years we've had something (god, the devil, angels, our parents, boss, etc) monitoring everything we do and alway sin authority over us, they would have also had to assumed responsibility for us. People have been conditioned in this way not to be responsible for themselves.

Social programming has instilled in us that we are supposed to overlook people's fake paws which may not be responsible to others. On a another website I got a lot of knickers in a twist correcting a woman who was recommending arsenic for bruises. I suggested that perhaps she meant arnica. But people are not supposed to be corrected )it opposes the social programming of just overlooking whatever anything comes unraveling out of someone's mouth. Better yet politely agree with it. there's still a whole lot of plain old social conditioning of this nature.

In new age religions responsibility is reduced to always being nice and managing others feelings for them, which gives them a false sense of power or restraint and even holiness. Treating other's nicely, which I suppose means letting unwitting people eat arsonic because you can't correct the issuer. That is considered stealing their power.

Same old paradigm , 'a sort of love your neighbor' corrupted into something that is anything but. There is really nothing wrong with the heart centered precepts of the Bible or even Christianity but for the fact they are just words now. And most of the 'on paper' sentiments have been corrupted to mean something else. It's generally given that sin wasn't the damning moral error that it was always presented as but meant in the etymology of the time, missing the mark or falling short of some established standard. Sin had to be very elusive and contradictory in nature, there could never be a time when something was clearly a sin and something clearly was not. It was pretty much established by design that sin should always keep people on their toes and always live in fear that they were unwittingly sinning.

Very likely this was to hide the rotten underpinnings of the Catholic Church, so while the priests were sodomizing altar boys the Congressional bore the greater amount of the wrong doing when they accidentally thought about their next door neighbors boobs. There was no difference between the sins of thought and the sins of the physical and it was designed to be that way so you were ****ed coming and going.

Programming has always depended on changing the meanings of words or rather dis-qualifying their original intent.

Easy to do in an increasingly illiterate society, that takes the meanings of words not by their original definition but by how others define them.

[RedeZra]

Jesus is not a mere man

like the Old Testament Nephilim were not mere men


Jesus has God the Spirit as Father

while the Nephilim had spirits or angels as fathers


Jesus died and his Spirit went up to the third heaven or Paradise

while the spirits of the dead Nephilim became terrestrial demons


this we do not learn in school or watch on television

but that doesn't mean it's not true



actually Jesus went up to Paradise with His glorified body

the resurrection of the flesh or the spiritualisation of His physical body


as it is Jesus has been given all authority by God the Spirit

and nobody not one comes to God except through Him


if we forsake Jesus then we forsake eternal life

and that's just how it is

[wynderer]

uXZistami3c

[9eagle9]

This isn't really a post about the validity of theology; it's comparative in nature.

The OP intended to use Jesus as a subject that was overwhelmed or masked by archonic energy, not the validity of Jesus himself as a man or a god.

Repeating that Jesus went to the third heaven doesn't correct the archonic influence that infiltrated his accounts afterwards.

Anything that is learned is probably not true either for that matter.


anything that is expressed may be accepted as truth because expression provides evidence.

[RedeZra]

This isn't really a post about the validity of theology; it's comparative in nature.




that's okay as i'm not a theologian

i'm looking at the evidences to back up my claims

and i have found evidences in abundance

that Jesus is the Truth the Way and the Life

the Living God

[9eagle9]

Jesus himself said he was not the only way. He demonstrated as much in the Bible.

[RedeZra]

Jesus himself said he was not the only way. He demonstrated as much in the Bible.

not so and this is an important point

Jesus is the one and only way to God


the rest are snares and deceptions

by he who decieves the whole world


without Jesus one must be very righteous

to even be considered Paradise material

[9eagle9]

Then Everyone is ****ed because Jesus has been gone for ..oh.....2000 years. Not to mention those who have no idea who Jesus is therefore would never be able to find their way through him. That is very elitist attitude that was posited well after Jesus was out of the picture.

If that were true there would have been no point in Jesus being a teacher and passing on what he knew so that others could become the way.

Not to mention that Heaven may be just another illusionary after physical death state , much the same as this one.

Jesus' expectation for mankind was to know more than he did.

And Redezra the more you quote, the more I can break it down. Now I have no beef with Jesus, I do see the contradictions in main stream Christianity. If you do not want your knickers in a wad, I suggest you do not attempt to sway this post from it's original intention because it will be you who ends up upset. I understand the moment an exploration is sought to push the boundaries of what was previously revealed, someone has to step up and distract others from it from repeating tired old quotes,but it will not occur here.

The Apostles questioned Jesus, there was no prohibition to it and there will be no prohibition of it here. No one is seeking to diminish Jesus, one is seeking to find what diminished Jesus after the fact.

Are we very very clear on that?

If we are not I can make myself much clearer.

[RedeZra]

If you do not want your knickers in a wad, I suggest you do not attempt to sway this post from it's original intention because it will be you who ends up upset.

oh you want only to read your opinions about Jesus in this thread

fine i have said what is in my heart so i leave this thread to you

but try not to diminish Him will you

[Billy]

Redezra there are millions of Christians on this planet and many non Christians who have a relationship with Jesus. Muslims and Hindu's included and for every Christian there is a different Jesus. You see people create their own Jesus through whatever believe system they choose to follow.

Now the Jesus i know said, "The kingdom of heaven is within you" therefore to access this Kingdom you go within, also he said, "You also will do what i do and even greater things" Therefore he tells us he is our equal.

So amongst the millions of Jesus's Redezra, your Jesus is yours and yours alone.

9Eagle9 i often wonder about the contradictions/dualities in the bible like you posted in an earlier post above. That these contradictions were because the Elohim were many beings and not one God like the churches would like us to believe, So because there were many" Gods" with different veiwpoints and agendas we now have this contradiction in the bible. Revengful, angry jealous God compaired to the Loving forgiving caring compassionate God, Two different Elohim dont you think.

Peace

[wynderer]

'The last shall be first, & the first shall be last'
to enter the Kingdom of Heaven , riding on the Seventh Wave, following the Christ Who doesn't care what you call Him or what you believe about Him, as long as you have the love & purity of the little children & the animals --

& led there, into 5D & beyond, by the little children & all the animals, & those in turn led by all the tortured, raped, unwanted, unloved little children & animals -- the last in the eyes of this world -- the first in the eyes of the Creator


uXZistami3c

[9eagle9]

The thread isn't about opinions about Jesus, its pretty self evident what Jesus was; we are talking about over carry programming from Christianity.

[9eagle9]

If Jesus is as omnipotent as you claim he is I doubt there's anything that I am going to do say to magically change that.




Jesus himself said he was not the only way. He demonstrated as much in the Bible.

not so and this is an important point

Jesus is the one and only way to God


the rest are snares and deceptions

by he who decieves the whole world


without Jesus one must be very righteous

to even be considered Paradise material

[9eagle9]

It's pretty evident that if read the Bible and then compare that with Source Experience you are going to see a different number of entities at work there claiming to be God.

People get tied up with Archonic entities know that seduce them into thinking they are Gods (or something else) , it stands to reason that the same thing would have occurred thing considering how many human sources were chosen to compile the Bible. It is evidential there's a lot of filtering there and those authors who compiled the Bible , risked having the same distorted perception as anyone else or perhaps just a political bug up their arse. One would understand a few had an agenda, some probably claimed to be enlightened, a lot of them probably never experienced Jesus, and a lot of it is just fill in and parables that had nothing to do with religion but were just historical episodes.


Redezra there are millions of Christians on this planet and many non Christians who have a relationship with Jesus. Muslims and Hindu's included and for every Christian there is a different Jesus. You see people create their own Jesus through whatever believe system they choose to follow.

Now the Jesus i know said, "The kingdom of heaven is within you" therefore to access this Kingdom you go within, also he said, "You also will do what i do and even greater things" Therefore he tells us he is our equal.

So amongst the millions of Jesus's Redezra, your Jesus is yours and yours alone.

9Eagle9 i often wonder about the contradictions/dualities in the bible like you posted in an earlier post above. That these contradictions were because the Elohim were many beings and not one God like the churches would like us to believe, So because there were many" Gods" with different veiwpoints and agendas we now have this contradiction in the bible. Revengful, angry jealous God compaired to the Loving forgiving caring compassionate God, Two different Elohim dont you think.

Peace

[Billy]

It's pretty evident that if read the Bible and then compare that with Source Experience you are going to see a different number of entities at work there claiming to be God.

People get tied up with Archonic entities know that seduce them into thinking they are Gods (or something else) , it stands to reason that the same thing would have occurred thing considering how many human sources were chosen to compile the Bible. It is evidential there's a lot of filtering there and those authors who compiled the Bible , risked having the same distorted perception as anyone else or perhaps just a political bug up their arse. One would understand a few had an agenda, some probably claimed to be enlightened, a lot of them probably never experienced Jesus, and a lot of it is just fill in and parables that had nothing to do with religion but were just historical episodes.



9Eagle9 i often wonder about the contradictions/dualities in the bible like you posted in an earlier post above. That these contradictions were because the Elohim were many beings and not one God like the churches would like us to believe, So because there were many" Gods" with different veiwpoints and agendas we now have this contradiction in the bible. Revengful, angry jealous God compaired to the Loving forgiving caring compassionate God, Two different Elohim dont you think.

Peace
The Jesus part was for Redezra Eagle.

This post above was my actual question Eagle. I know the Elohim were not Gods but humanity made them into Gods. And the Elohim's ego seemed to enjoy that position. Were the Elohim Archons ?

[9eagle9]

It seems pretty evidential that the Elohim were archons. Walk like a duck, act like a duck, etc...

[wynderer]

The Beatitudes

3 'How blest are those who know that they are poor,
the kingdom of Heaven is theirs.
4 How blest are the sorrowful;
they shall find consolation.
5 How blest are those of a gentle spirit;
they shall have the earth for their possession.
6 How blest are those who hunger and thirst to see right prevail;
they shall be satisfied.
7 How blest are those who show mercy;
mercy shall be shown to them.
8 How blest are those whose hearts are pure;
they shall see God.
9 How blest are the peacemakers;
God shall call them his sons.
10 How blest are those who have suffered persecution for the cause of right;
the kingdom of Heaven is theirs.

Jesus


uXZistami3c

[ljwheat]

From Billy Graham to your local bible tooter, they all start in Genesis, there are several pages in that book before Genesis that are never read-- or referred to-- mosty ignored completely and its origin. Checking its origin and researching the time, culture, and people, when it was compiled reveales, facts that never hit the pulpit or Sunday school.

I went to one of there principal schools in L.A. Cal. Moody bible institute, 3 years in New Testament Greek, as I too had some unsettling questions about origins and religions as you do.

What an eye opener, as Avalonians we consider our selves awake compared to main stream society. Its no different in the spiritual community and bible thumpers, like night and day.

I’ve heard many preachers and pastors after going threw the New testament class at moody after words, that it’s a wonder more students and pasters don’t loose there religion after finding out the actual truth of what took place so many years ago.

I can't go into 3 years of study with you here, but can give a few examples of the distortions in belief rampant in today religious movement. For one English and Greek language do not have the same meaning, and are not transferable/but have been threw ignorance, pride and money.

This book was never supposed to be put together as a book- it was a compiling of documents, songs, statements, letters, and disclosers of written law. It was peace’d together at the request of the King, trying to come up with a one time; one place; one explanation of religious rulings under one roof; one file one kingdom.

As like in Ireland present day catholic and protestant factions could not agree or get along, the king thought this would quell the disputes once and for all as it was a decree of the Crown and Kingship it would be law. If it wasn’t in this new formulated book of law then it wasn’t fact or truth and to this day; many will ask you do you believe the bible is the hole true and living words of God. This is were that came from; you swore on it as law; decreed by the king or lost your head in that day, like code enforcement is now today; only for religions to live up too, instead of having hundreds of factions, disputes, and wars;-- over what end you crack your boiled eggs from.

All this is traceable and documented except in the pulpit, or Sunday school classes of today. 99.99% of bible totters have not read those pages before Genesis let alone ask there pastor a question on this. Bottom line its just a business no different than the corporations that rule the world now. it’s a corporate law book for the church.

Just a quick question here, then I’ll give a couple other examples of origin, “In what book or bible was Jesus, or any of the disciples speaking out of?” that’s right! There were none.

The word prayer in Greek simply means communicate. So that means I’m praying to you right now.

The word church in Greek means any where one or more are communicating to each other.

The word Christian was a cuss word for the people who were following what was called the “WAY” things that were invisible and had no earthy words to explain, and parables were used to liken too, or point too, or refer too the unseen spirit of God and man in our unseen likeness we will create man, the water balloon this unseen spirit was being pointed to by the “Way” Sayers. Christian’s the term is no different than the “N” word is used to day labeling a class of people, then to as is now. You here the “N” word used lovingly among the culture that’s taken it as its own , and proud to call you my “N” if you are one. And so to once Christian was a cuss word, now proudly brandished by those who carry the code enforcement book.

Revelations is not the last book in the new testament, its old testament Witten around the same time the Book of Denial was recorded. But since it speaks of end times;-- and at the end of it, state so fittingly any who take from these writings that same shall be taken from his life,, how so convenient for a end book.

You shall live by every word that proceeded out of the mouth of a living God. Not out of a book formulated by a king’s decree.

In the little letter of st john second chapter around there; he’s telling people he’s witting to the people of time; that in tears I write these words; this that I fear should fall into the hand of the enemy, should they read an now the truth, (should not be written) face to face person to person was these truths passed to those who have eyes -- see, and those who have ears -- hear these word that let no man teach you of anything, that the spirit that is with in you shall teach you of all things, and is no lie. For that which is given is the unseen spirit we hold to be true and just.

Just like watching a presidential address, after you have listened with open heart and understanding to each and every word spoken. STOP -- wait now listen to this clown news reporter and all his experts --- here is what the president really said. Its still going on, leave this out, put this in, readajust it politically, rearrange it for the layman, build a sermon around how it could work in this day and age, bring forward only what will work in our belief and for get about those who believe different: its never stopped.

When Jesus said: do not pray before men. But you go in secret and speak with your father who is in secret all those things you think you have need of.
What don’t people understand about two little words; Do Not.---- Oh that’s for some one else, all kinds of excuses.

Jesus was not religious either, the hole entire 23rd chapter of Matthew he talks of this. Wo unto you Sadducees and Pharisees, zealots, and religious leaders of that time. Following the code enforcements and laws written in his time period --- no different than today.

Why do you marvel at these things I speak and show you openly, for you if you only have faith in the invisible living GOD; you and the living invisible God I keep telling you about. You shall do even greater things than these? If unseen things can not be conveyed by words, why would you build a book of them? So the book of parable’s should be the title.

Point at the invisible you, try to see this you that’s invisible and put words to this truth; that you are; but not explainable, then you begin to see why it was never meant to be in writing as it takes one skilled in vision of the unseen to point at it. Not a book. A book can not see your path, or which parable would allow you to know these perals of wisdom of the “WAY” so yes spellbound ask and you shall fine just don’t ask the preacher’s that have commandeered this thread to use as there personal pulpit.

Christ came to empower you not to preach to you. Look in the spirit that is in you; it shall teach you of all things. Its in your spirit not in a book. John XXX

[9eagle9]

Excellent post.

More basically put when people get in a twist about the whole thing, its wise to remember that Jesus and Christianity and the Bible are the same thing and are only very loosely related to each other.

Post up date.

Should read are NOT the same thing...

[Billy]

ljwheat, thank you.

peace

[Chester]

My opinion only – not meant to written up to become anyone else’s view

jesus (if the man that the legend of jesus was actually created from had actually lived) may have been an exceptional human being. My gut tells me the man probably did exist and my gut tells me he was quite exceptional. But that is just my gut (which may also be clouded by hope).

And now this – reader beware

I draw my conclusions about reality based on my personal experience. I do not take others people’s word for anything at face value. I do have folks in my life I trust, but until I have direct experience, I do not attach to any potential truth. Even when I have direct experience, I never count on anything that I established as truth such that it is written in stone and can never change. I was not alive when the jesus guy was said to have lived. I do not know he ever actually existed. If he did exist, I do not know the truth of his life nor if he was author of any of the words attributed to him nor the acts attributed to him.

But for me, that we live in a world where the source of our creation would have to send some special being to die on some cross for my redemption is truly the most ridiculous thing I ever heard. But if creation, by its very nature creates one or more enlightened beings throughout history which assist in our ability to discover who/what we are (and do so primarily by example)… something most of us may have forgotten along the way, I see that as a dynamic of creation. If jesus did live as they say a few thousand years ago, perhaps he was of this nature.

Yet, from my life’s experience, I can see how a false messiah could be created and I believe I have discovered, first hand, the various components that combine to assist in this type of creation.

Only within the last 30 days has the missing piece been revealed.

This is why I never went public regarding my own messiah complex. I am ready to do so now because I have confirmed well enough for myself that the development of my own messiah complex was at least in part due to archontic forces. The following explains all this.

I now conclude I have personally and specifically been a target of archontic forces. I probably still am but I believe I now have the upper hand in this struggle due to my knowledge and acceptance of what happened to me and what still may attempt to influence me.

I just discovered this highly likely explanation on April 26th 2012. I give credit for this discovery to myself for being ready to accept the likely possibility, to the Avalon forum and specifically to Houman’s Horus-Ra thread. I also thank myself for always having the tiniest shred of doubt.

I am 54 years old. From the age of my earliest memories (early childhood), I have been influenced by these forces. The attack took a specific form (which was a decades long endeavor) – the attempt to instill a messianic complex within me.

For this specific form of attack, these forces did the following:

They created circumstances in my life which when considered, could lead one to believe they were the reincarnation of a previous messiah figure, in my case jesus.

They influenced my thoughts such that I would come upon the evidence in perfect timing with what I would be contemplating as possibility in the midst of my own internal conversations.

I cannot assume others do what I do, but I often have conversations with myself in my head. These archontic beings would occasionally take charge of one or more of the “me” voices in the course of my conversations with myself. Thinking I am talking to myself, I would contemplate various facts. The facts would often be coincidences with supposed facts (or at least storyline facts) of jesus. These storyline facts were not restricted to the bible. Many came from the gospels found in the Nag Hammadi library as well.

In this dynamic I would be having a conversation with myself where I would be led to facts about myself that an unsuspecting person (like I was) would possibly come to erroneous conclusions. I dealt with this type of experience throughout my life.

Since I am a reasonably decent mathematician, I was able to calculate the all but mathematical impossibility of the occurrences of the facts in combination with what my inner thoughts were as they arose.

Now here is the most compelling component of this type of experience. Often I would come upon a fact about my life (generally an already established fact) that would support the developing theory. At the moment I would experience the a-ha, something external to myself would arise within my awareness that was clearly and directly related to my mental consideration such that it seemed as if “god, itself” was confirming for me that I was indeed on the right track.

Beginning in August 2010, I entered a phase of my life where this type of experience was occurring dozens of times a week and sometimes dozens of times in a single day. I was able to document hundreds of these experiences. My psi abilities rose to a level I had never experienced before by several magnitudes.

Because I wanted my family and friends to see I was not crazy, and to experience what I was experiencing as these events occurred, I began to develop a talent such that I could create the environment from which all but impossible synchronicities would arise. Synchronicity is a psi experience many have encountered. I believe synchronicity creation is a talent most if not all humans possess to varying degrees. I also believe that since most of us are unaware of this latent ability, it rarely occurs or is rarely noticed. When it does occur, we generally brush it off. Sometimes, though, some of us develop this talent further and this (in my theory at least) is where the archontic forces are able to take advantage.

It is a generally accepted fact in physics that the observer affects the reality as it arises. This is provable in experiments such as the Double Slit experiment. With this fact in mind, it would not surprise me that we can create amazing synchronistic experiences. The monkey wrench enters the picture when archontic forces manipulate the data and/or manipulate the thoughts we have when we consider that data. With this in mind, I am able to conclude that the archontic forces manipulated my interpretation. I believe it is possible the archons even have the capability of entering into the actual reality and influence it such that an individual could be led to such conclusions that are central to the acceleration of a messianic complex. This is what I experienced.

In other words, it seemed as if god was telling me (screaming at me) that I was the return of this individual and made the point clear by placing me in situations where all but impossible synchronicities would occur that directly related to this possibility. Fortunately I always retained a tiny degree of doubt there was another possible explanation.

I could write a book full of actual experiences (many of which are supported by real time documentation) that would lead the reader to understand why I considered myself to be the reincarnation of, or the second coming of jesus. I knew mental institutions were filled with folks who had similar considerations. The streets are filled with schizophrenics who think the same thing. I knew there had to be some other explanation.

I will reiterate, this is not a consideration I now maintain. The purpose in writing a post about all this is to suggest that this very same type of experience is what may be behind the messiah’s of the past as well as some of our current potential messiah types of today. This includes Drake and Wilcock, etc. I do not mean to discount anything they say or report. I also do not mean to imply that if they have indeed recognized they may be influenced by a messianic complex that they have not dealt with it.

I also want to make it clear that I am not stating all of the above is absolute truth or fact or 100% correct conclusion – it is simply my own current conclusions based on my experience. To see an example of another individual (well known at that) who clearly has entered into a psychosis based on a messianic complex foundation – watch this video of Leo Zagami –

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6z7O7UZxipM

Again, I am only stating that based on my experience and based on the new information I have obtained about the various levels of these archontic forces… all the way from a demiurge to the first level of (some say) 7 archontic beings to the level of EDs and or ETS who have either consciously aligned with the upper levels (the archons and the demiurge) or have allowed themselves to be taken over by various upper levels of these archontic forces – that one of their tactics is to create messiahs as this in turn generally creates religions or movements, all of which are control vehicles over the masses and which allows these forces to continuously regenerate the emotional states of the target beings - in our case, the human race on earth at this time - which is nothing more than their food supply. I am uncertain how archontic control could affect other life forms on earth directly, but we can certainly see how we humans are a massive (and often negative) influence upon the rest of the life forms on earth including earth itself.

As of April 26th, 2012, when the big a-ha occurred where I felt all but certain this is likely what has been happening with me since I was a child, my life changed instantly and dramatically. It is truly like I have freed my soul. Now I realize that I am like a newly sober alcoholic. I have stopped “drinking” but I have a long road (likely the rest of my life) to recover, but the big weight has been lifted.

Having had this experience, I am able to see the likelihood that a similar process has been used to create messiahs in the past and could very well be behind some of the pseudo messiahs in our modern era. I conclude that any human being that has been considered to be a messiah/a savior is likely a human being that has been influenced by these archontic forces.

In some cases, the messiah figure may actually have turned the tables on the archontic forces – perhaps jesus (if he really existed) did this, but for me, he was still just a human being like all the rest of us.

In the future I plan on creating a document which recounts my own experiences which led me to the conclusion over the years that I was jesus returned. Hopefully, the reader will understand how a person can go through this experience and come to that type of conclusion. I would never be able to write about this if I had not been able to draw the now current conclusion that I was not the return of this legend. My soul is in my hands now that I am aware I was likely manipulated into this previous conclusion by archontic forces. Still, the story evidence is quite compelling and I am fairly certain the reader would understand why I came to those original, fortunately incorrect conclusions.

I now need to make my point as to why I shared my personal experience that led me to my conclusions as to what has played a significant and negative role in my life - the archons and their minions.

These beings along with our own complicity (and I emphasize our own responsibility in the current collective experience on earth) have created and continue to foster the circumstances we now experience that places many on earth in state of unnecessary suffering. We can do better and we know it. My hope is that by knowing our apparent adversary, we can overcome this adversary - the archontic forces at all their levels.

The bars on our prison take many forms. It is my opinion the number one prison bar is religion. There is no stronger bar. That the archons have been adept at creating the messiahs from which religions spring forth is significant.

Knowing their influence and knowing of the scam this influence creates and perpetuates can at least begin to dismantle this powerful prison bar. That has been the intention of my post.

It is no coincidence the number one reason that has been given to insiders as to why the PTBs do not want to disclose about extra-terrestrials is because of what that would do to most religions.

One last opinion… and something that was easily predicted is instant knee jerk reactionary posts by some who I am all but certain are under heavy influence of these same archontic forces. I won’t name these posters names but any reader of this thread can easily pick them out.

To this poster, angels and demons are the same thing only perceived differently by a deluded individual. If you are a child of god, immortal and eternal, and you know it, you don’t need any angel to help you and you can ignore or repel any demon you attract into your sphere of awareness.

Edit: Just to give you an example of how this archontic force works, I just noticed the post number of my post - which is # 28. If anyone knows about perfect numbers, the first perfect number is 6 and the second perfect number is 28 ... hahaha second perfect number / second coming... see how that force likes to play? trust me, I am justonehuman.

[9eagle9]

That is extraordinary JOM.

The entire reason I came to Avalon was that I knew someone who had undergone that sort of attack. Because I'm a medium in a sense I observed when the implant occured. What resulted from that was a person who got deeply entrenched in the Messiah complex and was going to target Bill Ryan so that Bill could do something or another for them. The thing with Messiah complex people if you play the game with them, they spill all their programming unconsciously, so I listened and listened (as I was supposed to serve this Messiah too) . Now this a person who claimed to know me well....but there's people on this forum who barely me know me but still know me well enough that i'm really all that anxious to 'serve' someone (even dinner for that matter...he he) Still this person has this story going on in their head that blots out the obvious, and what is previously known. It was just taken for granted he was going to gather up a herd of people to follow and serve him. He even managed to be quite apologetic about it. ..lol.

I joined Avalon curious to see who that would play out but oops, someone (lots of somebodies) were already attempting to infiltrate Bill ...lol.

that's when I got even nastier little messages, like "You can't do anything about it'

Right I can't. It's all about the choices people make.

I have those sorts of thoughts as well but always countered them with WHY? Why me? That sort of thoughtform doesn't much care for that response. Which is how I became a clear medium, by challenging every 'intuitive' thought I had. "yeah really, your an angel? show me the evidence. Get this straight I'm the medium, your the messenger, I am in no way subordinate to you, you are a MESSENGER....I'm calling the shots. "

Well wow did a lot of thoughts shut up then....he he. Re claimation of self and one's self authority is what keeps them at bay.

On that note though I have listened to these thoughts the same way I listened to the archonicallly programmed. I didn't cave into them but listened to them because there's a great deal to be known through listening, like where is this going? What trap would the unwitting step into if the were to by into this.

Between March 2010 and August 2010 that was a very energetically decisive time. It was at that point where it made known to me that basically the cards had been slapped on the table and those who were going to make it were determined by their own choices and those who were not going to were just going to enter into another loop of programming. Making it , simply meant coming ot a point of previously unknown awareness.

It was shortly before August of 2010 that decided to take silent retreat and hear no voices but my own.

I've always found the reaction to me doing this jaw dropping. when I made it known to family friends and even casual acquaintances that I was just going to drop out for a month or so , the feedback I got was astounding. I couldn't have had more of a protest if I had stated that I was going to pull a gun and shoot myself in the head. EVERYONE was so threatened by the notion of me just dropping out of the whirl of things for a few weeks. Even people I hadn't heard from in years were hounding me. Why? What's wrong. You can't do that. Is something wrong with you? What about us?

Well...what about you.

My month of silent contemplation ended up as several weeks of arguing with people, fielding about fifty more phone calls than I get in a day and generally being amazed at why people who know I'm a rather spiritual person , would react to what I percieve as a common spiritual practice. Like taking a sweat lodge or a vision quest, what is the big deal here?

Finally in August with not having any silence or retreat I laid down the law and told everyone, If you don't ****ing leave me alone, grant me the peace to do this, I will emerge from this retreat and I will never , ever speak to you again.

I have kept that promise. Because that was ****ed up beyond comprehension.

I realized much later that precisely what was occurring . Even though I had not accepted the whole messiah thing (why?) that program was playing in the heads of others so when the 'messiah' (their determination not mine) decide to take a chill pill, all hell broke loose. An energetic hammer that was attempting to pound me psychologically had failed so resulted in physical interference people physically and in the material world attempting to convince me of this.

i have also met people with great potential for manifestation, tapping into the creation matrix, that have been attacked in such a fashion until they are simply helpless in their own lives. I am obviously not a messiah but ..I am someone how could help them navigate that sort of treachery , if they were willing, and then be able to come out on the other side of it.

Every one of those people have had some mysterious means of manipulation that steers them away from me. They magically appear in my life, and then just as suddenly are manuevered away in some awful fashion that results in a great deal of pain as they are steered from solid ground, over a cliff, further driving them into their own hell of alien/ archonic influence. Some people just seemingly destroyed by it all.

[the_vast_mystery]

So, for instance, the contradiction by Inelia you mentioned. One could be saying that within its own sphere the soul exists unconditionally by itself regardless and may unconditionally create within itself, but that when interacting with the conscious energy bodies of other beings, such as to incarnate, it must, according to the laws of free will, acquire permission to interact with them starting immediately after separating from source.

It very well could, however there is nothing preventing our gurus from further clarifying their contradictions in terms.

I know, I actually wanted to go to one of the many conventions here in LA...until I found out they cost at least $300 to get in. I would be interested to meet these people and ask my own questions, but sheesh, I don't have that kind of green. ^_^;;


If one looks at things from a purely material point of view it will certainly contradict something that is expressed subconsciously, which is part of the problem .....people inadvertently leak what is going on in their subconscious.

A lot of programming is based on 'just accepting contradictions' without examining them to see how they oppose each other or how they are going to be received by others.

The Critical Barrier, as used in hypnosis, accepts anything as long as it has heard it before. Bad lies, nice sounding lies, it accepts anything but the truth which it is very Critical of . It burps these contradictions back up either verbally or textually with the same lack of discernment. If there is some truthful inner intuitive source it will not accept what that intuition has to say.

Then the contradictions are just past forward loaded to be accepted by other's critical barriers.

Logically though its the observers fault for observing the contradictions ;)

Well of course! if you don't observe the contradiction it doesn't exist! Just like if you close your eyes you can walk straight through LA traffic! ;p

To be fair to everyone else, I think a lot of that upsetness comes from other forms of emotional trauma or stress. I've been watching myself as I untangle my own knots (or as I tend to call them, mimetic landmines) that often function as triggers which surface painful negative emotional memoires. It can be overwhelming even if you know what to expect. I do deep breathing myself to keep calm and there are times I'll spend maybe up to 30 minutes focusing on taking steady, safe, deep breaths just to keep my mind off of whatever was triggered (so it'll go away.)


That too is old programming, if for thousands of years we've had something (god, the devil, angels, our parents, boss, etc) monitoring everything we do and alway sin authority over us, they would have also had to assumed responsibility for us. People have been conditioned in this way not to be responsible for themselves.

Social programming has instilled in us that we are supposed to overlook people's fake paws which may not be responsible to others. On a another website I got a lot of knickers in a twist correcting a woman who was recommending arsenic for bruises. I suggested that perhaps she meant arnica. But people are not supposed to be corrected )it opposes the social programming of just overlooking whatever anything comes unraveling out of someone's mouth. Better yet politely agree with it. there's still a whole lot of plain old social conditioning of this nature.

In new age religions responsibility is reduced to always being nice and managing others feelings for them, which gives them a false sense of power or restraint and even holiness. Treating other's nicely, which I suppose means letting unwitting people eat arsonic because you can't correct the issuer. That is considered stealing their power.

There's something to be said for tact, you can both be nice and be honest at the same time. I try to walk a line depending on who I talk to and whether I think it'll work. It's not a sure thing, and I've run into enough people who are proud of their willful intent to remain ignorant that I also know the powerful uses of sarcasm...for instance it tastes delicious on rye with mayo! :D


Same old paradigm , 'a sort of love your neighbor' corrupted into something that is anything but. There is really nothing wrong with the heart centered precepts of the Bible or even Christianity but for the fact they are just words now. And most of the 'on paper' sentiments have been corrupted to mean something else. It's generally given that sin wasn't the damning moral error that it was always presented as but meant in the etymology of the time, missing the mark or falling short of some established standard. Sin had to be very elusive and contradictory in nature, there could never be a time when something was clearly a sin and something clearly was not. It was pretty much established by design that sin should always keep people on their toes and always live in fear that they were unwittingly sinning.

Very likely this was to hide the rotten underpinnings of the Catholic Church, so while the priests were sodomizing altar boys the Congressional bore the greater amount of the wrong doing when they accidentally thought about their next door neighbors boobs. There was no difference between the sins of thought and the sins of the physical and it was designed to be that way so you were ****ed coming and going.

Programming has always depended on changing the meanings of words or rather dis-qualifying their original intent.

Easy to do in an increasingly illiterate society, that takes the meanings of words not by their original definition but by how others define them.

One of the very few times I had a productive discussion with my mother was on this very subject. I like to leave her little clues to see if she'll try to look outside her closed-off Jehova's Witness bubble the rare times we might speak over the phone; I mentioned about how even if not one word were changed in the bible since the time it was written the entire meaning could still be destroyed culturally by redefining the meanings of important words. But of course, the bible was edited, many times, seeing as the Church and state functioned as one organ for much of history many times it was altered to suit the current interests of whomever was holding the throne, or I'm sure, was pope.

The one thing that's rather precarious in this is that I'm sure there's a lot of twisting and deception that's woven it's way into a lot of our history, what do you trust? What do you believe in? People can say "Trust yourself" but that falls short if you consider that people could quite easily be conditioned to have a counter-intuition that ends up sabotaging rather than aiding their efforts. The lecture in the Horus-Ra thread on ritual abuse and alters clued me in to just how elaborate and hard-to-beat you could make that. As a programer myself, I already see the potentials for elaborate forms of innocuous harm. I've had "bursts" of ideas pop into my mind that were quite insightful, and others that were quite pants-on-head crazy; which makes one wonder if others may even have it worse. That's also why I think it's worthwhile to listen to everything and consider as many angles as you can. Even channeled messages may have a lot of useful information buried underneath if you're willing to read, compare and question what's being said. All we have are words, and no real means to verify trust except for more words, so like it or not we may never have a definitive answer so long as that is all we have, mere words and no "hard evidence."

So writing off entire swathes of people, theories or ideas as evil, deluded or whatever and not paying critical attention to the message and meaning conveyed is throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Just like you make a photo from a negative, sometimes even knowing what is definitely not true can be a valuable tool in figuring out what is. But only by really comparing/contrasting messages is that possible. Granted, this isn't so much directed at you but after witnessing another poster in a different thread getting metaphorically shouted down as a deluded, naive, cultist who couldn't possibly understand the material someone else was presenting enough to legitimately disagree I decided I'd post this.

Rather than name names or make a messy drama by getting more directly involved I'm hoping to illustrate indirectly why doing such a thing was folly. (As I do believe the parties involved will want to read the material in this thread.) So, erm, thanks to you as well as justoneman for giving me that opportunity. This would be one of my own experiments in tact. ^_^

[RedeZra]

To this poster, angels and demons are the same thing only perceived differently by a deluded individual. If you are a child of god, immortal and eternal, and you know it, you don’t need any angel to help you and you can ignore or repel any demon you attract into your sphere of awareness.



interesting post


you have gone deep into the think tank

and figured out that you are not Jesus after all

but just one man on the receiving end of prankster archons


and i have to agree with you

as Jesus has somewhat darker complexion and a beard ; )

[wynderer]

Hi Justoneman -- i'm weaning myself off using all my writing energy on forums [ a 6 -7 yr long habit ], & had decided to start by just posting thoughts etc of possible interest to others, no longer responding to individual posts

but after reading your first post, re the Horus-Ra thing & Eve Lorgen , i have been thinking about you, & your last post decided me to respond

i've felt an affinity w/you from the first -- maybe you remember that when i asked on Houman's Horus-Ra thread if it was there i'd read about a connection between Horus-Ra & abductees, that you answered -- i have a consultation w/Eve Lorgen next month, also

i do not have the messiah complex thing going on -- mine is more like an Eeyore complex [ What's the use... it'll never work anyway...they'll never wake up & listen... ]

i'm wondering if the Messiah complex worldwide is always people thinking they are Jesus -- like, do they have Buddha complexes in Buddhist countries, or Mohammed complexes in Muslim countries - i remember reading that Jerusalem attracts those who think they are Jesus returned [a family reunion of sorts]

all ETs have something to say about Jesus , but not about Buddha, Mohammed, etc -they all seem to want to downplay His being a flesh-&-blood man at one point -- why i don't know

i have told you before that i know you are a good man, but i have always sensed something dark hanging around you also -- if you choose to share your story as it unfolds, i'll read w/interest

i thought i'd post about my own struggles w/the concept of a messiah as this relates to Jesus in the hopes that something i say might 'speak to your condition, ' as Quakers say

i was raised w/no religion, intentionally by my parents because they could see that it was a controlling tool -- &, like you [ & many on Avalon ] spent many years searching for the truth in different religio/spiritual systems

it was in my late 40s that my struggle w/ Jesus really began -- i'd lived long enough, including 2 three -yr -long alcoholic binges, to have gained enough experience to look back & learn from it --
i'm not what is called in AA a 'functioning alcoholic' -- i'm the type that goes out to a bar & wakes up the next day 2 states away in strange company [5 well-tested yrs of sobriety now] & i have put myself in some very dangerous situations

looking back, i saw that whenever my life was REALLY in danger, when my back was totally against the wall, i'd scream out internally, 'Jesus! Help! Help!' -- & He always came & saved my sorry butt -- i have posted elsewhere a bit about these personal experiences -- kind of odd, too, as i did not have any religious programming

i had a real problem w/the Jesus is Lord concept -- i really do not like hierarchical power structures, w/one person at the top -- a friend insisted i do the darshan thing w/Guru Mai, & after i'd bopped my head on the ground in front of her, i popped up, looked her in the eyes, & said , 'Hi!' [she was not pleased]

a term that no one seems to use these days is 'thought forms' -- there are SO many collective thought forms around Jesus that it took me years to get free of them -- for a few years i dragged my poor kids & patient husband from church to church , w/me getting more & more confused --

we finally settled on the Quakers, who tend to be doers instead of talkers & are one of 3 USA denominations who pay attention to Jesus' message of Peace - [ the so-called 'Peace Testimony' denominations ] - i continued exploring other paths also, tho never any of the darkside -- i include magic in that category

[i must say i am proud of my daughter -- when 10 yrs old, she went to a Baptist Bible Day Camp -- a friend's church -- at the end i asked her what she thought -- she looked me in the eyes & said fiercely, 'I DON'T believe every word in the Bible is the word of God!' ]

but there were those personal meetings w/Jesus, as both the Living Christ & as Jesus -- most of my friends being newagers , these were not considered cool experiences to have -- a past life memory was much more interesting, for instance -- but i could not ignore them -- too powerful, too much Love

[edit] most 'Christians' don't want to hear about such personal experiences either -- i don't do massmedia, but when folks tell me about TV preachers, they all seem to ignore the Gospels -- Revelations is big [which makes folks nuts, imo] & the OT [Jehovah a Reptilian, imo -- all those animal sacrifices, & telling the Israelites to wipe out all the males in competing tribes -- a God of Love? i don't think so...]

i have the same distrust you do of psychic experiences/perceptions , having had my mind messed with also

i came to a point in my life when all the written theologies/philosophies/spiritual teachings, old & new, no longer worked for me -- they seemed empty -- & i realized that it was time to figure out what i REALLY knew -- re what i know of the Christ, that's posted at the top of the Sting 7th Wave video

re the brutality of the Crucifixion -- i don't agree w/all that Edgar Cayce says -- but i think he was correct when he said that Jesus took on all the karma of all Humans on this planet , past, present, & what little future remains , when He was on the cross [btw, i was born on a Good Friday] -- i guess He had to feel pain & alienation from the Creator, because so many Humans live that way due to the Matrix & controllers

& the blood -- it likely has something to do w/the Reptilians' obsession w/Human blood, all the way from drinking it to the part it plays in nasty satanic rituals to the great interest shown in Rh neg on threads here [they've given Humans their minds]-- animal sacrifices also, the un-seen & un-mentioned Holocaust continually happening on this planet

it's late -- i'm tired -- hope this made some sense --

wyn

[edit ] -- i also wanted to make clear that i do not see the Living Christ & the Creator as one & the same -- tho [ from my limited/ Matrix-dumbed-down mind/Human brain/body perspective ] Jesus Christ is pretty close in terms of dimensions --

there are true Angels, also -- not the cutesy little tame angels of the newagey variety -- these Beings of Light are very powerful, & you seriously do not want to p.o. these Guys

& as i posted, Christ does not care what you call Him -- it's what's in the heart that counts, & whether or not you walk your talk about Love

Jehovah, on the other hand, was very big on folks kneeling down & saying , 'Lord, you are God,' sometimes under threat of smiting /being smited

[ i read the Bible all the way thru -- every word -- took me 3 yrs, as i read other books along the way -- so i know enough re Jehovah to know that he's a Reptilian ] -

wyn

[Billy]

Wow, thank you all for opening up and expressing your personal experiences. This has touched me.

Peace

[9eagle9]

There tends to be a great deal of difference between Jesus in the Bible and Christianity and Living Christ energy or what others refer to as Christ Counsciousness.

I find it amusing though to have people urge me to find Jesus then are appalled when I do.


Jesus made it obvious that the best part of Jesus wasn't Jesus but Holy Spirit, and people tend to put labels on that when its not something that singular or owned by one PERSon but each PERSons PERSpective tends to re-assign it another value. Someone can own the PERSonal Jesus however they want but that part is the meaningless material body part but Jesus did convey the better part of himself was spirit.

Meaning not a separate energy assigned to one entity but an expression that could be expressed by everyone who chose to find their way back to themselves once whatever prevented its expression was removed--archonic energy and programming.

I haven't had any evidence of God employing Karma to show folks anything. Man creates Karma not God. Spirit would actually break because it is just another program.

I have seen plenty of archonic energies attempt to use Karma as a means to further entrench in the psyche which resulted from archonic energy in the first place.

So what do you trust. Beliefs are legion (he he).

One cannot trust themselves if they are running under a program or an archonic energy.

Why do we have to believe anything? Or trust anything? What is that we want to occur or change in adopting a belief? We tend to adopt a zillion beliefs but WHY?
We are constantly seeking something to trust that is true. But WHY?

Like believing the sun will come up tommorow, by EXPERIENCE though the sun always comes up in the morning but only because the sun never sets in the first place.

Beliefs are really just information. There is no reason why we have to adopt any belief as the truth.

I neither believe nor disbelieve in the Jesus story as depicted in the Bible. The Bible's shows a man, I can't help that or rewrite the Bible but the Bible is showing a mortal man. Poke my eyes out for observing that.

A man who had a life that was lived and ended the same way as 25 other Messiahs before him. This suggest programming, where the same thing happens over and again. This is not evidence enough to suggest Jesus was an archon though. I am about sure though if he is this living embodiment of spirit there was a posses of archonic energies riding his ass, and that too is evidential in the Bible.

That doesn't make me dis-believe in Jesus per say that tells me that his actually story was overlaid by a program. THERE's the interesting part. Why?

I'm inclined to know that perhaps a new experience occurred with Jesus. New experiences only occur when programming has been removed, and another old program was dusted off and plastered on the historical Jesus in order to hide this new experience from the rest of the world.

When one removes their own programing the same old thing stops happening and new things start occurring. Jesus made it obvious in depiction in the bible he had a bug up his ass about the pre-existing beliefs and programming and much of his teaching was showing how that was all programming. Social programming was a direct descendant of that time's religious programming.

An An-ARCH-ist.

Sebastion referred to this manifestation after programmings removal 'as having no point of reference.' Programming has always been our previous point of reference.

Beliefs a are typically a means of establishing a point of reference for one's self.

[ljwheat]

Origin, reference points, foundations, corner stone’s all are glued together by history or OJT ( on the job training ) a blank computer is not a computer, just a shell plugged into a wall socket. Like fossil prints left in sediment long ago, who was it that stepped or made the first imprint in humanities fertile soil. The first step in a journey of a million mile hike is always accepting the movement of thought, the movement like electricity will always take the most direct and least resistance and the shortest route. The first step always showing the way for the second step OJT to take place.

Invisible spirit our essence works outside this OJT or even bound by it. Living, existing inside a basic computer of its limited design, by its original creator ( ? ) moving back into spirit and essence, is ascending out of the box we were stuffed into at step ONE. Like children catching butter fly’s and displaying them in a jar. Who is it that designed this butter fly trap called humanity. Are we not stuck in this endless examination and defining of our jail cell, the a jar? thinking is part of the lock or lid on the jar. it belongs to the trap, not to the essance in the jar. Free the essance not the hole dam jar. John XXX

[Chester]

I haven't had any evidence of God employing Karma to show folks anything. Man creates Karma not God. Spirit would actually break because it is just another program.

I have seen plenty of archonic energies attempt to use Karma as a means to further entrench in the psyche which resulted from archonic energy in the first place.

So what do you trust. Beliefs are legion (he he).


Thanks 9eagle9 - I find it impossible to accept that a loving creator would then throw me into some strange dynamic where I first must forget who/what I am, then must make mistakes (some over and over) that I never learn enough from in my single lifetime such that I have to die, come back, memories erased and try once again to pass all the tests so that eventually I might not have to ride on the merry go round again.

Totally dickriculous.

If there has to be a word "karma" then I would define it as "the reality that chases the ones who lie to themselves"

[Chester]

To this poster, angels and demons are the same thing only perceived differently by a deluded individual. If you are a child of god, immortal and eternal, and you know it, you don’t need any angel to help you and you can ignore or repel any demon you attract into your sphere of awareness.



interesting post


you have gone deep into the think tank

and figured out that you are not Jesus after all

but just one man on the receiving end of prankster archons


and i have to agree with you

as Jesus has somewhat darker complexion and a beard ; )

and man am I sure glad I am not - still... wait till you read more of this lifelong story and how these archontic forces worked me over. I will have an update soon. Thanks for your posts

[wynderer]

for Justoneman -- i do know what you're up against & how badly a person can be worked over -- at least you are still alive

diPeL9AGWXo

[9eagle9]

nope me either. However I could see my dumb arse caroming heedlessly into a weird ass situation like that if I didn't keep a certain amount of awareness at hand. And i do...weekly, similar situations, just not so long term or extreme...lol.

What is viewed as Lucifer's hatred is resentment towards mankind's ability to create. Those who dance to the L tune have only the ability to re-create, replicate or repeat. Mankind does have an ability to create , but mostly stands around with thumb up ass or creates situations for themselves that are about equal to what the L crew would create.

I notice this same sort of resentment directed towards myself from even those who claim to deny this sort of energy so one finds themselves observing a battle on two fronts.


QUOTE=justoneman;491063]

I haven't had any evidence of God employing Karma to show folks anything. Man creates Karma not God. Spirit would actually break because it is just another program.

I have seen plenty of archonic energies attempt to use Karma as a means to further entrench in the psyche which resulted from archonic energy in the first place.

So what do you trust. Beliefs are legion (he he).


Thanks 9eagle9 - I find it impossible to accept that a loving creator would then throw me into some strange dynamic where I first must forget who/what I am, then must make mistakes (some over and over) that I never learn enough from in my single lifetime such that I have to die, come back, memories erased and try once again to pass all the tests so that eventually I might not have to ride on the merry go round again.

Totally dickriculous.

If there has to be a word "karma" then I would define it as "the reality that chases ones who lie to themselves"[/QUOTE]

[Davy]

Why is it when there is a debate involving Christianity we get assaulted by the chosen-people mentality or authoritarian tendencies that Jesus is the only way? If your non intrusive beliefs or actions are not in accord with Christian "morality," then you get the tired old biblical fear-mongering sermon "Jesus is the one and only way to God." Such a brainwashed quotation.

[tonius]

Is it really important who jesus was, i have never understood the obsession with these myths. I call it a myth because from my point of view ,now, i would be talking about someone i have no idea, for me is no different from santa of whitesnow.Thats not to offend anyone , it doesn't have to do with what really happened, its just that whatever happened was just an event, and later was used for different purposes. So what makes Jesus so special? The fact he resurrected, the fact he sacrificed himself ? Well how many people, mothers have sacrificed themself during centuries for their children and loved ones, why arent they being worshiped the same way, how many have given their life for true love,and they shurely saw death as the real end , something jesus knew more about. Or maybe the fact he could turn people back in life,make food appear from nowhere, which of these factor,or all together made him people's saviour.

Its not about him, it all may be true, and maybe he truely was such a great being, its about us , we managed to build an entire religiuos empire doing everyhing exept what this being really ment.I sincerely think if he could say something to each of his worshipers now would be to stop thinking about him all day and explore more about themselves, become truly indipendent, selfthinking, beings. And i bet he would be more ''proud'' of the ones that have the courage to doubt him, not just for the sake of it but because given the circumtances, what we know now, any being from higher densities with not noble intentions could have pulled of such a show, and tricks to fool the minds of the suffering souls at the time, thirsty for hope, for a way out.

All i could do ,if i had personal proof of the existence of such being , would be respect, but to me these seem more the effects of a great magic show performed 2000 years ago , people still applauding for a show they didn't even see. Books and books written, rewritten, analysed , all for some tricks. Because if it was not about the tricks but for the message he gave things would be different, to me the bible is no different than the Brothers Grimm's tales. What reasons would you give me to see the bible more than just fairy tales.

Do we really feel so hopless we have made this book the center of our lives, infinite beings worshiping ink on paper. If its more than ink than tell me what are the truths you get out of it. All i get is more distraction from our real nature, just quotes to be used here and there, a reason to follow a ''secure'' path, and for some make a carrier out of it. He said this, he said that, ...and you, what do you say ? I say he is just an imaginary friend that helps people make a sense of their lives, not question more, some nails on your hands and feets ,when you already know death is not a problem, doesn't make it a sacrifice, just some tricks, and they still work wonderfully. Whoever performed them indeed new what was doing. A fairy tale for grown ups, wile the writers of this fairy tale stay behind the curtain have a good ''healthy'' laugh at what goes on here ,healthy for them but deadly for us. Jesus yes, jesus no, who cares, time to move on.

[9eagle9]

If one reads the posts its not important who Jesus was personally but taking a circumstance that was posited around spiritual development and creating an archonic energy around it--which really is important if one wants spiritual development. If Jesus is a waste of time we can reframe this into the zillion other circumstances that had the same sort of infiltration...?

Any importance that Jesus had was shrouded by deception which is the actual point of the thread.

[the_vast_mystery]

I'll admit I really loved the core of the message I personally got by reading the sections of the Bible devoted to Jesus. Specifically about loving your fellow man and disobeying any social, religious or legal prohibitions that get in your way of doing that. Being nonviolent (as often as possible, even the money changers showed there was a time and place for it) as often as one can and yet still defiant. (Turning the other cheek was actually considered a mark of defiance at the time) It was an example of perhaps, a newer, better way to live and form a society based on shared connections between people rather than separating them into competing castes or groups that fight over the table scraps left by whatever ruler is currently in power. Even at my angriest I still really feel like that message was something not even I could talk badly about. That said it seems few people focus more on the spirit of Jesus' message rather than the oodles of superficial trappings that came around him.

Whether he existed or not, the message is still a good one and I think that's why it's survived to this day. The Archons or whomever could not destroy it, so they had to find a way to pervert it to suit their needs. Modern fundamentalism shows of how this can come full circle and do just that. Despite Jesus' message being every bit about being open, loving, honest and non-judgemental of others we have millions upon millions of American Christians whose religious practice, despite its claim to be based upon Jesus' teachings, is defined more by who they feel they are commanded to hate and wish violent oppression on. A message all about love, understanding and community has been twisted, especially thanks to the selective use of the old testament, into a message of cruelty, elitism, and intolerance.

[Hervé]

Intreresting whys you have somewhere up there 9eagle9.

Current controllers have had many attempts at grooming messiah figures such as Ben Creme and others to no avail... in spite of massive propaganda.

Thinking of it in current terms and in view of the colossal cointelpro spun around that Jesus guy... he must have been a hell of a whistle blower in his time!

[Chester]

Hi wynderer – these posts are like public PMs – I hope the forum admins don’t mind… anyways thanks for your posts

I will be posting my story along the way – there are some very difficult moments that are very hard to make public but I am going to post them in short order – what I can say now is that my experience began when I was about 6 years old and continued until I was able to piece together the final key components which coincided with my ramp up in a most serious psychotic state that almost cost me my life – this was just 4 months ago.

Wikipedia describes a messiah complex as - “A messiah complex (also known as the Christ complex or savior complex) is a state of mind in which an individual holds a belief they are, or are destined to become, a savior.”

When I was young and would experience psychosis (this was only ever brought on by extensive usage of marijuana) I would always end up in the grip of a savior complex and my actions would land me inside a mental facility. One time, when I was in Timberlawn Psychiatric Hospital in Dallas Texas (about 1980) I was in an area we called “the small lounge” and in that room were 4 other patients. Three of them all thought they were jesus christ and the other thought he was satan. I managed to get them talking about who was who and why, etc. (I have always been a trouble maker).

The satan guy remained calm throughout but the three jesus guys got pretty worked up as you can imagine. I recall getting reprimanded by the staff for inciting the conflict that arose. What is ironic is that I also had the same “I think I am jesus” issue but had always kept my mouth shut about it. That experience helped reinforce my doubt and played a significant role in why I never completely gave in to accepting the possibility that I was jesus.

My point is that this is not an uncommon occurrence. Some of us who experience a messiah complex are extremely good at hiding the fact we think we are jesus.

Thank you for your kind words and many posts you have made in response to mine.

i have told you before that i know you are a good man, but i have always sensed something dark hanging around you also -- if you choose to share your story as it unfolds, i'll read w/interest

It has been a very dark journey. I am about to post one of the worst segments of this journey and you will see it gets really ugly – and sadly it is all true.

Thanks for sharing about your struggles with alcoholism (that is also a part of my story). I understand about the blackouts and waking up somewhere and not remembering how you got there. I got very deep into alcohol and cocaine. Cocaine can get extremely dark. But strangely marijuana always seemed to lead me down a road that eventually ended up in psychosis. I have since learned that there have been medical studies about this phenomena – these can be found on the internet so I won’t past any links… but they claim that a small percentage of marijuana users can and do go psychotic.

Great news on your 5 years. I once went 7 years and then had a glass of wine. Two years later my life was completely wrecked again. That was in 2001. And I still did not completely stop though I did a 9 year “functioning alcoholic / occasional cocaine user” stretch which I one day stopped for no particular reason in March of 2010. In August of 2010 I picked up marijuana again (after not using it at all for 9 years) and within 16 or so months reached my most psychotic state of my life). I ended up one day opening the sliding glass windows (nothing but a metal bar between them), climbed completely out the window holding onto only the bar with my feet on a six inch ledge. This was on the 33rd floor of my apartment in Panama. I thought I had to jump to save the world. As I hung there ready to let go, images of my three sons and my wife flashed into my head. I recalled my promise to my sons I would never kill myself and changed my mind and climbed back into the apartment.

I had made that promise to my sons because my father committed suicide (or was suicided) when I was 21 years old and I vowed I would never make my sons have to experience what I went through. It is ironic my father’s death in a way saved my own life but it was very, very close. When I think back to that moment, I get a really freaky feeling inside because I remember the thoughts that were going on in my head and I realize I was so so so close to letting go.

What led up to this moment was a total internal battle with the archons. Some of the specifics related to these archons directing my internet searches so I would find information that led me to the conclusions I had to kill myself to save the world. I can’t post about that part yet because its very very hard to recreate the memories… I am still too weak emotionally. But I promise I will post it as its part of the overall story and will need to come out. Suffice it to say, Horus was involved as was the discovery of a link between Horus and the archons and that the archons can take the form of an amoeba shaped object. If you read my post of my “encounter” when I was 6 years old, the amoeba object was a central character in that event.

Its funny you mentioned about screaming out Jesus help, help. I have done the same and I am also not religious. I used to think it was due to my programming… due to how common it is in the western world to hear jesus’ name called out by others, how often its heard in movies, etc. but I have to admit, I have done it a lot and still do. When someone tells me a bad story I say "Jeeez dude" all the time.

The thought forms thing you mentioned surrounding jesus, my messianic complex experience and my intellect all have me convinced that jesus was just a man if he even really existed. I would be lying if I did not admit I have an emotional tie to a concept of jesus that I keep secret to myself. I will say this, in my concept he was still just a man BUT, he really cracked open the programming and cut through the BS and spoke about it. But also in my concept of the man, he didn’t perform miracles though he may have been present when witnesses perceived events to be miraculous occurrences and that these witnesses (not understanding how reality works) perceived these experiences as emanating from jesus… not realizing their own role in the occurrences. But that is because I have a very different view of magic.

For one, I never perform (or attempt to perform) intentional magic. Number two I do not believe a magical act aimed at influencing one or more other people that are not in full agreement of the magic is a wise thing to do. Number three if one or more people come to a magician and ask the magician to perform a magical act aimed at themselves and the magician performs the action and the magical intention is achieved, the targets never learn they can do the magic themselves and this is what makes priest classes and followers – to me silly. Number four, because of number two – magic targeted to one or more unknowing individuals, one is casting their will upon another without the others permission. The magician may think their action is “white” magic but I see any magic of this sort as black magic.

I guess I must be honest in that I do perform one type of magic - I call it clear magic. Its simple – clear magic is when you look upon a situation, allow your emotional state to rise (the emotional state of love and understanding and empathy) and then I ask spirit to help in any way possible and then I move on knowing that spirit has it handled far better than anything I could conceive.

I also have experienced the power to heal but I believe we all have that power… some can cast healing energies better than others. I once came upon a man in the midst of a massive gran mal seizure in a jail in Lubbock Texas. I was in the walkway that surrounded the cell areas. Three or four jailers were struggling with the man. A few of them were trying to shove a spoon into his mouth as he was trying to swallow his tongue. As I watched the incident I felt an overwhelming feeling of love for the man and an energy came up inside me… then the man seemed to catch my gaze just at the height of the energy build up and he suddenly locked his eyes on me and they became huge like he was seeing a ghost and instantly his seizure stopped. I recall thinking to myself I don’t wanna be some healer and so I avoided ever exploring healing. I was 19 years old at that time and I already knew I should stay away from that sort of activity as it only fed this messiah complex thingie.

I am glad your daughter is already discerning for herself!

I am very distrusting of psi experiences now as I am of the opinion all of that is openings for these archons. I hope, in time, I am able to remove them far enough from my sphere that I can have psi experiences where its just me and god (whatever that is … but not the demiurge and his archontic minions)

I understand about the “christ” thing but I have to be careful here. I like how 9eagle9 delineated the various jesus and Christ meanings and mentioned christ consciousness. I hope I am of the Christ consciousness be there truly such a thing… my gut says there is but I am very very gun shy.

The crucifiction story is a tricky one. Other sacrificial god/kings have also been crucified. In fact, some of the stories of horus stated the same – examples
http://www.stellarhousepublishing.com/washoruscrucified.html
and when one studies the mysteries one understands the trinity – father son and holy ghost – well it’s the same thing with osiris, isis and horus. Isis is the holy spirit - osiris – the father and horus the son. These trinities have cropped up many times. In fact, when this fact was raised in argument with the church that jesus was nothing special as this same theme had occurred over and over in the past, the church came up with the term “diabolical imitation” ahaha they said satan was so afraid of jesus he created false messiahs prior to jesus to support this very argument. Well how about my argument. They ALL are creations of the archontic forces, even jesus (and I am not saying the man did not overcome these forces but if he did, so can any of us which makes jesus no more special than any other living being… maybe a great example of one, maybe even the best example … but still nothing different than you or me).
Here is a great link from a great site – bibliotecaplayades.net
The World’s Sixteen Crucified Saviors
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/biblianazar/esp_biblianazar_16.htm

I already weighed in on karma – I don’t buy it. No creator of mine would come up with that but perhaps the creator would let us come up with it so maybe we made it real (with the help of the archons)

You nailed it with the blood thing and the “reptilians” – that’s all that is – very vampiric. Some benevolent dragon society folks I know practice the starfire ritual. Check it out – that’s a nice way of getting their nourishment… Houman’s thread thoroughly covers other ways some of these folks get their nourishment – a practice that I believe is the very single root, core problem on earth at this time and unless humanity stops with this practice (human sacrifice and the consumption of human essences) I fear we may never be free of the archontic energies nor the matrix they bring with them.

I want to believe there are true angels (benevolent angels) but if there are, where the hell are they? Clearly a mass appearance of angels would shake up humanity such that we might make a huge, immediate change for the better… but they don’t appear.

That Jehovah god seems like nothing more than the demiurge under a different name.

Thanks for the exchange, wynderer… justone

[Chester]

from 9eagle9

Jesus made it obvious that the best part of Jesus wasn't Jesus but Holy Spirit,

I totally agree with that one - Isis in the Osiris, Isis, Horus trinity... the feminine component as well. Sophia (wisdom) in the gnostic cosmologies...

Thanks 9eagle9

[Chester]

Why is it when there is a debate involving Christianity we get assaulted by the chosen-people mentality or authoritarian tendencies that Jesus is the only way? If your non intrusive beliefs or actions are not in accord with Christian "morality," then you get the tired old biblical fear-mongering sermon "Jesus is the one and only way to God." Such a brainwashed quotation.

Its my view that this type of view is nothing more than a perfect example of what the archons love to feed upon. They want us to be fanatical, they want us to believe in "super beings" in part so we do not believe in ourselves (that we are equally capable beings). Its very hard though to penetrate fundamentalists and/or fanatics. And what I often find is that they have a clue, but miss the deeper meanings by holding on to literal interpretations.

I will say this though... I know some that are "stark raving saved" that are the most positive minded, solid as a rock examples of a human you will meet. They got that gleam in their eye and that smile that never changes look... But, I just don't see being helpful to the vast majority of humanity that turns you off the moment they hear, "You know, Jesus died so that you can be forgiven all your sins and unless you accept him as your lord and savior, you will go to hell when you die." sorry folks, but that loses me right there.

[HORIZONS]

Not all of "Christianity" teaches nor maintains the same viewpoint on Jesus or the Bible. There are a myriad of differing opinions on Jesus in Christendom - who he was, and what he was about - so that for anyone to speak on this issue intelligently, that one would need to study the "many" differing views, and not just state what the mainstream religion has to say on the matter. Everyone speaks from their own personal background, experience and knowledge base - paradigm - and that does not make anyone right, nor does it make anyone wrong. I do not trust "mainstream" anything, on any subject, that is just asking to be lead to the slaughter imho. Bottom line: it all comes down to Faith, Hope and Love. What we do with that is up to us.

In case you are interested, here are a few differing viewpoints that you most likely have never studied, and there are many many more~

http://www.kingdombiblestudies.org/tablecontents.htm

http://www.godfire.net/

http://www.cswnet.com/~rmorton/ChristIsAll.html#anchor727379

Peace to all!

[9eagle9]

Christianity amuses me because its taken so seriously, but at the same time its adherent's trivialize it so much, have such a need to defend it (spiritually speaking only the guilty need defense) yet others are supposed to take it so seriously. I observed a woman with this horrendously tacky pave diamond Jesus on a Crucifix not so many moths back. The diamond studded savior had rubies for eyes, rather making him look like a mad dog. Trivializing, if not out right exploiting their beliefs but everyone else is expected to take them so seriously. I have a small lurid hot pink mini Bible with a pseudo leather cover. The scripture within has to be read with a loupe or a magnifying glass indicating it really has not spiritual or scriptural intent to it but is reduced to this sort of faddish novelty.

Christianity is also interesting as it sort of represents the fragmentation of the psyche, by having so many splinter groups (defense systems) that when Christianity is critically examined, you have a convenient voice to gabble in defense that no all Christianity is the same, further emphasizing what a fragmented and shaky institution that it is.

Christianity would probably not suffer as much if were in fact all the same. Or rather, at least consistent.

[HORIZONS]

Religion is one of the biggest lies of all time, it has been around since the beginning of time. Religion leads an individual away from Truth by using a semblance of truth (symbols). It is a relationship with Truth, with the Enlightenment within you, with the Source of all, that brings a person into the image and likeness of God. Religion only uses the symbols of truth, and then it brings the individual under the law of that symbol of truth that is man created - but it is not the truth, and only a symbol like the ring. This is why religion looks so good, and seems to be the way to God - but it is not.

[Ellisa]

9eagle9-- Was it not the aim of the Spanish Inquisition to ensure EVERYONE had the same point of view? As were the burnings during Tudor times in England when catholics and protestants burnt each other in flaming pyres over points of doctrine!

The trouble is that many so religious people of all faiths become so giddy with exhilaration at having found their version of the perception of the truth that lies at the centre of existence that they want everyone else to conform to it.

Jesus had a good story to tell and he also had some good ideas on living ethically and well, and in that he mirrored the sages of many other faiths. For instance-- we should all love one another, seek peace. obey laws, be kind and respectful to others from countries other than ours--- and there's lots more. It would do no harm to live like that.

But was he god? Or even the son of a deity? I actually do not think so. Jesus, if he really lived, was a good man, born at an amazing time in human history, when there was a huge explosion of knowledge and exploration. But none of us is going to be able to live forever or meet angels. So perhaps we should make what we have the best we can be and be thankful we can read the stories of the life of such a remarkable man .

[RedeZra]

But, I just don't see being helpful to the vast majority of humanity that turns you off the moment they hear, "You know, Jesus died so that you can be forgiven all your sins and unless you accept him as your lord and savior, you will go to hell when you die." sorry folks, but that loses me right there.


yes this is the essence of the message


repent be baptized in Jesus Name and sin no more

and Jesus will send the Holy spirit to spark our spirits

so we become children of God


i don't understand it but i see it works

so i'm thinking perhaps God knows something i don't


there are so many testimonies about Jesus which challenge reason

but i'm thinking maybe God is above my mind





a couple of testimonies about Jesus to wet the appetite


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1DKmzSrScI0




i think it boils down to this

will we listen to those who have met Jesus or will we give an ear to those who have not met Him

and then form our opinions

[Chester]

i think it boils down to this

will we listen to those who have met Jesus or will we give an ear to those who have not met Him

and then form our opinions

or we can take responsibility for ourselves

[RedeZra]

i think it boils down to this

will we listen to those who have met Jesus or will we give an ear to those who have not met Him

and then form our opinions

or we can take responsibility for ourselves


yes but when death comes

then what


it's best to seek God ourselves and His Name is Jesus

[Ellisa]

RedeZra--- So death comes, to us all-- that is certain. That is the end for us, though we will live in the memories of those who knew of us. It is our responsibility to ensure they remember us well.

What do you think happens?

[kreagle]

Jesus was, and is,.....more than a man!

Jesus was, and is,.....more than an Archon!!

and by no means is "this",.......inspired by Houman's Horus-Ra thread!!!


Opinions and theories seem to be "very diverse" on this extremely important topic!

Was He a "man" at one time?,.....the Scriptures certainly say that He was!,...but "also" that He was much, much more than that!

1 Timothy 3:16
King James Version (KJV)

16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Who was "this One" that was,.....manifest in the flesh,.....justified in the Spirit,....seen of angels,.....preached unto the Gentiles,.....believed on in the world,...and then,.....received up into glory?,.......the Scripture says,......JESUS!! (note: this Scripture, along with many others, is giving us all a "very strong hint" that He was certainly "more than a man"!) (hint:.....I believe "IT" called Him God,.....didn't "IT"?)

Was He an Archon?,....let's look, first, at what Merriam-Webster says about "archon"

ar·chon noun \ˈär-ˌkän, -kən\
Definition of ARCHON
1: a chief magistrate in ancient Athens
2: a presiding officer
3: any ruler

(note: in all "3" definitions above,.....Jesus surpassed these "roles" by a land-slide,....as fully indicated by the Scriptures,....once again!!)

1 Timothy 6:14-16
King James Version (KJV)

14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:

15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;

16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Folks, the above referenced Scripture contains no typo-graphical errors, in that it plainly tells us, correctly, that Jesus will one day,....once and for all,....show the entire World that He is the....."only Potentate",....the King of kings,.....and the Lord of lords.

"Only" means "one" and "one, alone". It, at no time, has indicated a "plurality", regarding specifically a "plurality of Deities."

Once again, Merriam-Webster reveals,......

po·ten·tate noun \ˈpō-tən-ˌtāt\
Definition of POTENTATE
: ruler, sovereign; broadly : one who wields great power or sway

(note: If He is the "only" Potentate,.....the "only" one who wields great power or sway,....I ask you,....is the Bible not, once again, giving us all "another great hint", at just "who" this JESUS was, in actuality?)

Jesus was, and is,........more than a man!
Jesus was, and is,........more than an Archon!!!

Do you know "who" this Jesus really was,.....and is today?

.......to be continued,......


Love and Peace,........kreagle

[RedeZra]

RedeZra--- So death comes, to us all-- that is certain. That is the end for us, though we will live in the memories of those who knew of us. It is our responsibility to ensure they remember us well.

What do you think happens?


i don't know

but i think Jesus has the final authority

and at the end of the age we must all appear before His throne

and receive just judgement and final destination

[Chester]

Religion is one of the biggest lies of all time, it has been around since the beginning of time. Religion leads an individual away from Truth by using a semblance of truth (symbols). It is a relationship with Truth, with the Enlightenment within you, with the Source of all, that brings a person into the image and likeness of God. Religion only uses the symbols of truth, and then it brings the individual under the law of that symbol of truth that is man created - but it is not the truth, and only a symbol like the ring. This is why religion looks so good, and seems to be the way to God - but it is not.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=PQmN-5Qhq8U

go to 22:15 and listen to Rauni-Leena Luukanen-Kilde, a Finnish physician, explain why Nato's 1964 report on disclosure recommended that there not be disclosure -

the # 1 reason is because of what it would do to all the religions -

"they would all crumble down"

such is the power of this number 1 vice of humanity

[9eagle9]

No that was not the aim of the Inquisition. That was what you were told was the aim of the Inquisition



9eagle9-- Was it not the aim of the Spanish Inquisition to ensure EVERYONE had the same point of view? As were the burnings during Tudor times in England when catholics and protestants burnt each other in flaming pyres over points of doctrine!

The trouble is that many so religious people of all faiths become so giddy with exhilaration at having found their version of the perception of the truth that lies at the centre of existence that they want everyone else to conform to it.

Jesus had a good story to tell and he also had some good ideas on living ethically and well, and in that he mirrored the sages of many other faiths. For instance-- we should all love one another, seek peace. obey laws, be kind and respectful to others from countries other than ours--- and there's lots more. It would do no harm to live like that.

But was he god? Or even the son of a deity? I actually do not think so. Jesus, if he really lived, was a good man, born at an amazing time in human history, when there was a huge explosion of knowledge and exploration. But none of us is going to be able to live forever or meet angels. So perhaps we should make what we have the best we can be and be thankful we can read the stories of the life of such a remarkable man .

[9eagle9]

You have pretty much described the potential of mankind if they choose to accept it.

Not that it makes that potential true simply because the Bible states it but it is a just description of mankind's potential so I'm not sure what your point it.

People like to believe , rather than to know. That is what prevents them from fulfilling their potential.

I for one am the first person who wants to be at the throne when Jesus asks his sheep why they didn't try to be more like him ....





Jesus was, and is,.....more than a man!

Jesus was, and is,.....more than an Archon!!

and by no means is "this",.......inspired by Houman's Horus-Ra thread!!!


Opinions and theories seem to be "very diverse" on this extremely important topic!

Was He a "man" at one time?,.....the Scriptures certainly say that He was!,...but "also" that He was much, much more than that!

1 Timothy 3:16
King James Version (KJV)

16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Who was "this One" that was,.....manifest in the flesh,.....justified in the Spirit,....seen of angels,.....preached unto the Gentiles,.....believed on in the world,...and then,.....received up into glory?,.......the Scripture says,......JESUS!! (note: this Scripture, along with many others, is giving us all a "very strong hint" that He was certainly "more than a man"!) (hint:.....I believe "IT" called Him God,.....didn't "IT"?)

Was He an Archon?,....let's look, first, at what Merriam-Webster says about "archon"

ar·chon noun \ˈär-ˌkän, -kən\
Definition of ARCHON
1: a chief magistrate in ancient Athens
2: a presiding officer
3: any ruler

(note: in all "3" definitions above,.....Jesus surpassed these "roles" by a land-slide,....as fully indicated by the Scriptures,....once again!!)

1 Timothy 6:14-16
King James Version (KJV)

14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:

15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;

16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Folks, the above referenced Scripture contains no typo-graphical errors, in that it plainly tells us, correctly, that Jesus will one day,....once and for all,....show the entire World that He is the....."only Potentate",....the King of kings,.....and the Lord of lords.

"Only" means "one" and "one, alone". It, at no time, has indicated a "plurality", regarding specifically a "plurality of Deities."

Once again, Merriam-Webster reveals,......

po·ten·tate noun \ˈpō-tən-ˌtāt\
Definition of POTENTATE
: ruler, sovereign; broadly : one who wields great power or sway

(note: If He is the "only" Potentate,.....the "only" one who wields great power or sway,....I ask you,....is the Bible not, once again, giving us all "another great hint", at just "who" this JESUS was, in actuality?)

Jesus was, and is,........more than a man!
Jesus was, and is,........more than an Archon!!!

Do you know "who" this Jesus really was,.....and is today?

.......to be continued,......


Love and Peace,........kreagle

[wynderer]

Justoneman --

[btw, i see why you chose your sceen name now -- good move -- fight 'em in every way, all the way]

i don't believe that if 'Disclosure' happens that Humans all over the world are going to freak out, taking to the streets crying out, 'What can we believe in now?!? God, where art thou?' etc, etc

here in the States a lot of people -- most i've met -- have little use for religion other than newagey ones --there's the real danger, imo --all the channeled lies -- Christianity is more the butt of jokes these days

true 'Disclosure' would also have to include all the truth re what is happening to abductees, milabs, & all the missing children -- & what happened to you personally that you are now dealing with

true 'Disclosure' would not be -- 'Hey guys! guess what! you're not alone in this Universe! ' [which is something that many people i've talked to -- just your regular old working-class people -- they have already thought about this --as DW Griffith said, 'Never underestimate the intelligence of the common man']

real 'Disclosure' would be more along the lines of , 'You've never had a chance to take your place in the community of the Universe because you are an enslaved race w/all your Creator-given powers of the mind shut down'

since your enslavers are in control of all the apparatus for 'Disclosure,' anything you get from them is lies, & will be lies

re reincarnation -- i sometimes refer to the Human predicament as being caught in a hideous Matrix-controlled reincarnational time loop, in which Human souls are endlessly recycled into Human bodies to continue feeding your enslavers/unlawful occupiers of planet Earth

as i said earlier, i think Jesus somehow broke that prison of endless reincarnation here by ripping a large & permanent hole in the Matrix --He did it for all of us because He loves us , & He was able to do it because He is so close to the Creator vibrationally/in greatness of soul that He has the Power of the Creator as well as the Love

Love alone is the way out of the Matrix -- not the 'i can't deal w/fear porn because i am such a delicate/hi-level spiritual being' type of Love, but the Love that wants to do its part to stop what is going on here -- ya gotta look square-on at the ugliness & evil before you can figure out how to stop it, imo

in my personal meetings w/Jesus, He never once suggested that i bow down & worship him -- He came only to help me

wyn

[edit to add] interesting that the psychosis revolves around people thinking they are Jesus -- another way to make Him look slightly ridiculous

something i learned re Obsessive Compulsive Disorders -- they manifest in the same ways all over the world, w/some local oddities like Shuk Yang, aka 'Penis Panic' -- Human minds are SO controlled, by the Archons of this thread's title





Religion is one of the biggest lies of all time, it has been around since the beginning of time. Religion leads an individual away from Truth by using a semblance of truth (symbols). It is a relationship with Truth, with the Enlightenment within you, with the Source of all, that brings a person into the image and likeness of God. Religion only uses the symbols of truth, and then it brings the individual under the law of that symbol of truth that is man created - but it is not the truth, and only a symbol like the ring. This is why religion looks so good, and seems to be the way to God - but it is not.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=PQmN-5Qhq8U

go to 22:15 and listen to Rauni-Leena Luukanen-Kilde, a Finnish physician, explain why Nato's 1964 report on disclosure recommended that there not be disclosure - the # 1 reason is because of what it would do to all the religions - "they would all crumble down"

such is the power of this number 1 vice of humanity

[RedeZra]

I for one am the first person who wants to be at the throne when Jesus asks his sheep why they didn't try to be more like him ....



yes so do not be discouraged

and do not reject Him just because we won't give up a sin or more

press into Him in prayer and good deeds


because the day will come when we must give Him an account of our life

[RedeZra]

go to 22:15 and listen to Rauni-Leena Luukanen-Kilde, a Finnish physician, explain why Nato's 1964 report on disclosure recommended that there not be disclosure - the # 1 reason is because of what it would do to all the religions - "they would all crumble down"

such is the power of this number 1 vice of humanity


i don't know why

because these so-called aliens are mentioned in most religions

as the gods of old

[wynderer]

Redezra, in AA we have a saying re getting our message out --'Attraction rather than promotion'

i for one would feel strengthened by your personal stories of Jesus , & would respond to Love in your posts

i really don't like it in my daily life when someone accosts me on the street, demanding that i say 'Jesus is the only way to God' -- this must be a real turn-off to folks who don't know Him --

Jesus Himself was very big on actions speaking louder than words

[RedeZra]

i really don't like it in my daily life when someone accosts me on the street, demanding that i say 'Jesus is the only way to God' -- this must be a real turn-off to folks who don't know Him --

Jesus Himself was very big on actions speaking louder than words


Jesus says in Scripture "nobody comes to the Father but through Me"

and if Jesus is God

then who are all these other dudes

demons ?

[9eagle9]

You can play the Jesus record on the B side too.

I like your Avatar , it demonstrates what I said earlier about how people trivialize their beliefs but expect others to take them all so seriously.

Gee, we just may have discovered the source of Hypocrisy.








I for one am the first person who wants to be at the throne when Jesus asks his sheep why they didn't try to be more like him ....



yes so do not be discouraged

and do not reject Him just because we won't give up a sin or more

press into Him in prayer and good deeds


because the day will come when we must give Him an account of our life

[observer]

Jesus the man:

Yashu ben Joseph was the actual name of the man, Jesus.

This we know from the discovery of the unmolested Nag Hammadi Library discovered in Egypt in 1945 - buried there for nearly two thousand years. Some of these text date back to the 2nd century BCE. None of these text were written after the 2nd century CE.

The Jesus name is a transliteration of the many interpretations from ancient Hebrew into Greek. As the fairytale - known as the Holy Bible - developed over nearly a four hundred year period of time, driven by an agenda of the Roman Empire at the beginning of the common era, the mythological-JESUS was incorporated into the false doctrine of Trinity Christianity.

According to the Nag Hammadi text, Yashu was a Nazarene-Essene. These were the early Christians that were annihilated by the Roman Empire in an act of genocide designed to purge the world of any doctrine contrary to the Trinity dogma.

These folks have done a lot of study in the Nag Hammadi Library, the Qumran Library (Dead Sea Scrolls), and Manichaean texts (http://www.gnosis.org/library/manis.htm). For anyone serious about the research, spend some time perusing this site:
http://essenes.net/index.php?Itemid=841&id=591&option=com_content&task=view

JESUS the Archon:
It is so very difficult to separate this concept from the evidence being presented in Houman's, Horus Ra Thread:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit

When the Roman Empire embarked on an agenda to perpetuate their control of Humanity into our contemporary reality they created the myth of a Trinity JESUS. This was all done with manipulation from hyperdimensional beings through the process of telepathic thought.

The evidence is all there in Houman's thread, which is fundamental to understanding why JESUS of the Bible is an Archon. His mythological character was created by Archons /Reptiles.

They are very clever at what they do....

[9eagle9]

Then there's no point in YOU in beating other people over the head with Jesus (not his intended use) because we can't (and won't) come to Jesus through you.

We are very well of the fact that we are not going to find the way to the Father, through you Redezra.

It is in fact the Jesus thumpers as , Wynderer noted, keep people away from Jesus. As you have so eloquently demonstrated here, they use Jesus for a purpose other than what he was intended for which is the point of this thread. Archonic influence.

You again have provided evidence of this phenom.

Get thee behind me.





i really don't like it in my daily life when someone accosts me on the street, demanding that i say 'Jesus is the only way to God' -- this must be a real turn-off to folks who don't know Him --

Jesus Himself was very big on actions speaking louder than words


Jesus says in Scripture "nobody comes to the Father but through Me"

and if Jesus is God

then who are all these other dudes

demons ?

[jorr lundstrom]

This message is hidden because RedeZra is on your ignore list.

RedeZra, this is wot I see when You write from now on. If I dont
see this for a couple of days in the threads I follow, I might assume
you have gone through an unprobable transformation. Even if you
answer this post I will only see the pink sqare, just sayin........

So take the cockies (attention) you already have got and go out and
play with the puppies on the backyard.

Playing the Loki-role ( the destroyer of meaning) is a hard work and
takes a lot more than you apparently got.


All is well


Jorr 2.0

[ljwheat]

Yet once again lines have been drawn in the sand, the very sand we all stand on. Waves looking for the Ocean they move on. John Lennon had it right, imagine if there was no religion, then people could live as one. Just like before the tower of babble. Lets come together. Or number (9)

JohnXXX

[jorr lundstrom]

Thank you justoneman for your writings on your relation and
your experience with the savior complex. You seem to have
experienced a severe form. Many on this forum seem to have
at least a light form, you know saving the world and all that BS.

This is one of the christian churchs worst programmings. LOL

Well. getting out of a prison is a good step. LOL


All is well


Jorr 2.0

[Chester]

OK, I have mentioned (promised) that I would expose the elements of my life story which I believe prove as best as one can prove that I have been personally targeted by archontic forces.

Please, note: all that I am writing up is simply words I must use to express my current view. My view is constantly modified by new information and thus any opinions or conclusions I make can change along with my view. You can use if you like the all too common tactic employed by those who assume a “management” role in society to discredit me which is this – “You once stated “this” and now you state “that” and because you often change your view we do not nor cannot value anything you have to say.” This is one of the methods employed by humans who are determined to manage other humans within the matrix and has worked well. I no longer care what anyone thinks when my view changes as I prefer to be honest. The only way I can be honest is to honestly communicate my current view regardless of what my view happened to be previously.

Before I go into this segment of an element of my story, I must share what I now perceive to be the structure of the creation of the demiurge from the view point of myself, this particular earth human - I refer to this structure as the archontic structure. This structure is created from the viewpoint of its lowest level here on earth. This structure represents “the matrix.”

the demiurge
the seven “archons”
non-benevolent, non-physical beings
non-benevolent, non-human, physical beings
archontically aligned human beings “in the know” to varying degrees
earth born archontically aligned human beings “in the know” to varying degrees
earth born, unknowingly archontically influenced human beings – targets of the archons
a possible final level - innocent, earth born, un-archontically influenced human beings (if there are any)

In my structure I imply there could be non-physical beings that are not archontically influenced though perhaps we all are to some extent thus this bottom row may not exist – it may include still undiscovered indigenous tribes (if there are any left).
I also imply that there could be benevolent non-human non-physical beings but they are not a part of the archontic structure.
I also imply there could be physical beings not from earth which are outside of and/or uninfluenced by the archontic structure.

The reason I developed my view of the structure is because I believe I have been attacked by elements within different levels of this structure. By looking at various levels within the archontic structure I am able to better identify the various forms of attacks as well as their origination from within the entire structure. In fact, what took me so long to realize what the **** was happening to me was because the adversary was able to attack from almost all of these levels. It wasn’t until I could understand that each level is connected that I was able to piece together the primary source of these attacks, the demiurge. Each time I would consider what the **** was happening, I only considered one of these levels. Because of my split mind, it was difficult to recall other levels to be able to connect the dots.

It was only recently that I have been able to step outside of matrix well enough to see that attacks can come from many different levels and that an attacking element in the lower levels does not need to have a conscious clue regarding attacks from other levels within this entire matrix.

So now I will cover a specific segement of my personal story which has been inspired by the recent posts which transformed into an exchange between bearcow and Houman.

As stated before I am age 54. I had never been introduced to Egyptian mythology until 2002. I had never heard of Osiris, Isis or Horus. This is important to keep in mind while reading the following.

At an early age I began to receive messianic programming hints. By the time I was 17 I was already consciously considering I was the reincarnation of one of jesus’ disciples (possibly peter) and by age 19 perhaps may be the reincarnation of jesus himself. This post is not the place to explain all the reasons I had developed this personal theory but it is relevant to the post that the reader understand that this theory was already circulating inside my head.

In the summer of 1986, I ended up living alone in a rented condo on the Big Island of Hawaii just south of Kona. I was 28 years old. My father had died from suicide (or was suicided) 7 years earlier and I was an heir to some small trust funds that allowed me to live well enough such that I did not need to work a job. So I had decided I would live in Hawaii, enjoy the beauty and atmosphere, play golf, and enjoy the excellent marijuana found on the island and chase some island girls… normal for a young pseudo playboy.

Unfortunately for me, though I loved marijuana, when I use this visionary plant for extended periods of time, I eventually go psychotic. Note: I no longer use any drugs other than coffee; this includes no alcohol nor prescription drugs… nada!

Most people in the general public never experience psychotic states. I do not recommend seeking experiences in this state. Anyways, I became quite adept at developing and maintaining this state where I was able to act normal enough that most folks did not know I was psychotic. Unfortunately, entering this state always produced difficult endings. Prior to this episode in Hawaii, I had experienced a half dozen or so psychotic state episodes. I always ended up in a mental institution. I had been diagnosed as manic depressive since age 18. Each time I entered a facility, I was given anti-psychotic drugs only for as long as needed to get out of the state. I was then only given Lithium which did not have any effect on me and which is simply a salt. I always stopped the Lithium as soon as I left and/or as soon as I it was approved by the doctor in charge. I have never been treated with any other prescription drugs. Lithium had zero effect. The only thing I would do to avoid psychosis was to stay off marijuana. At times in my life I also enjoyed alcohol and cocaine but for most of my episodes I would not use either one, just marijuana. Neither alcohol nor cocaine ever induced a psychotic episode.

Apologies I covered these areas in such detail before I go into the specifics of this particular archontic attack but it is my opinion this is important foundational information the reader needs to know.

OK, so it is the summer of 1986 and I am living on the Big Island and I began to enter a psychosis. What always happens when I enter a psychosis is my psi abilities increase. I also begin to communicate with an unknown being (I always thought it was god). I would be able to have a conversation with this “voice in my head” where what the voice would tell me would be relevant to what would immediately arise within my experience in the reality. That is why I was very interested in communication with this voice. It is quite empowering to have a voice in your head communicate with you in a way the reality confirms the conversation is very real and not simply that you are crazy. I say this because I was certain at an early age that I was just crazy and suffered from severe mental illness. Yet in my case, over the course of my life, I continued to go from complete, total sobriety to episodes where I would begin to consume marijuana which would eventually lead me to the psychotic stage. I felt compelled to re-enter this world as there was truly nothing like it. I always had a silly belief that I would grow out of experiencing the psychotic states and be able to stay on marijuana. A belief I had to discard based on my latest episode that ended only months ago but which led me to the last pieces of the puzzle I was required to know - that I have simply been a target of the archontic forces and not some being integral to the salvation of mankind.

So it was late June in 1986 and I reached the danger state where the voice in my head was able to direct my actions such that I was capable of actions that would be deemed by others to be actions of a person struggling with his sanity. I was never dangerous to other people. Up until this episode I was never dangerous to myself. Unfortunately, the events in this episode culminated in actions where I harmed myself.

Here is what happened. The voice took me into already familiar territory. Territory where I believed I had to save the world. The voice would have me perform unusual acts that I thought proved to the being behind the voice (remember at that time I thought this was the voice of god) that I was indeed a worthy candidate to be a savior. Realize that a psychotic state is an inner battle between varying hallucinations and feet on the ground sanity. I became very good at maintaining the “feet on the ground” sane part of my being while at the same have the ability to allow the psychotic part of my being to engage the particular elements found within the psychotic state. I assume this strange “talent” came from practice. As of today (again, I am age 54) I have had about a dozen psychotic episodes. The last three times have been sveral years apart. 1989, 2001 and recently 2011. Back to 1986.

As mentioned, when psychotic, the voice in my head would state something, and I would receive confirmation via a sensory perception experience from the 5 sense reality. An example would be something like this –

I might be reading a mundane article in some newspaper while having the TV on the MTV channel. The article might be about some geopolitical issue related to China. The article would be suggesting the issue could have significant global impact. The voice would say, you will be meeting an Asian lady this evening who will be your contact for further instructions in your important (savior) role in this soon to explode world event. At the instant I would hear what the voice in my head said, suddenly David Bowie’s song “China Girl” would start up on the MTV channel. Again, this is just an example of what happens to me when I am in this psychotic state. When I would be in the strongest stages of psychosis, I could have experiences like that over 100 times during a day. As you can deduce, whatever was speaking with me seemed to be able to know what would arise in my five sense awareness OR was able to manipulate what would arise in my 5 sense awareness. To this day I am unsure which though I have a theory based on my understandings of quantum physics that I could actually be involved along with the archontic force in co-creating what arises in my 5 sense reality.

Many of us know this type of experience is called synchronicity. Stating again, when I would be entering the final stages of a psychotic episode, I would experience dozens of synchronicities daily and sometimes hourly. These experiences always involved my inner conversation – the voice (and eventually more than one as occurred in 2001 and 2011). And because an all but mathematically impossible event in the 5 sense reality would arise at the precise timing of what I would hear from the voice – reality events or circumstances that had obvious, direct relationship with what I was hearing from the voice(s) in my head, I used these types of experiences to draw the conclusion I was being communicated to by “god.”

If any of you have experienced unusual synchronicities then you may have an idea of what I am writing about. Imagine if you entered a phase of your life where dozens of synchronicities occurred daily, even sometimes dozens within a single hour. This is what I was able to experience. The experience always led me to the dynamic where I was some chosen savior that I had to do this or that (whatever the voice said) to save the world.

I now must interject - It is important that the reader understand that at an early age (just after my father’s death when I was age 22), I decided never to own a weapon (a firearm). I knew that my nature was non-violent towards others but my primary reason was that I had concerns that if I did have access to a weapon and the voice instructed me to use it on myself “to save the world” that if I was in the final stages of a psychotic state, I might actually perform the act. Since I had already made a personal vow I would never do what my Dad did because of the pain it caused me (thus the pain I would cause those who loved me), I decided not to ever have guns around me. Let me add that I am from Texas and everyone in my family had guns and were hunters. Strangely I had an unexplainable aversion to guns that began around the age of 18 (prior to my father’s suicide).

Since some may want to ask how my father did it – he took several dozen powerful cancer pain medications left by his wife who had died three months earlier from pancreatic cancer. He did tell me a story when I was about 17 that he had almost killed himself once before (when he was around age 33 – I was age 10 or so). He told me he had a pistol inserted into his mouth and was just about to pull the trigger when he for some reason changed his mind.

Back again to my story –

I cannot recall the exact date, but it seems it was in early July of 1986 I reached a peak state in the psychosis. This is when I was able to hallucinate and in fact, this was my very first experience of hallucination. I entered the golf shop at the local golf course and saw three older ladies I had known that worked in the golf shop. When they turned to look at me, their eyes were what I called at the time “alien eyes.” Realize I had zero clue at that time about “reptilians” but these were the vertical pupil eyes. Since I had been told by the voice over the previous few days that the aliens were coming, I was not surprised to see this, but it was still very scary for me. When I saw these eyes (what clearly was just a hallucination but seemed very real to me at the time) I had reached the point where I was in hyper psychosis. I went back to my condo and decided I better call the police on myself which I did. I then proceeded to take all my clothes off and enter the swimming pool out my back door. No one was around at the time. It was perhaps early afternoon. A policeman came, observed something was clearly wrong with me and told me to go get dressed. He followed me into my condo and I offered him to smoke some marijuana with me. He then took me to the local jail.

Whenever I have reached this state of psychosis, the psychosis can become amplified from stopping the usage of marijuana. Because I was taken to a jail, the state began to amplify further (it seems fear coupled with psychosis makes a super psychosis. The police observed I was getting worse, not better, so I was transferred to the other side of the island to the town of Hilo where their primary county jail facility was located. I remained in a cell for two days until I was called before a judge. They told me nothing and I was quite psychotic. I later learned that the charge was simply minor possession of marijuana. A friend, who had found out I was in jail as people had called the police looking for me, was there for the court hearing as it was expected that the judge was going to release me. Unfortunately I was still quite psychotic and this was apparent to the judge and so I was sent back to jail pending transfer to a mental facility. At this point, I was now about 4 days into the jail experience. A day or so before the jailers had thrown a bible into my cell. I began to read revelations. I recall coming upon the part related to the seals. The voice in my head told me that to prove myself to god, I had to break the seals. The voice then told me these seals were my eyes.

This is extremely difficult to write about but it’s important to share my experiences so that others can see what can happen in archontic attacks. I am able to write about this in part because I am no longer using any marijuana (nor will I). But, I am now quite certain my experiences have been steered by these archontic forces. And unless people who have been attacked at the level I have been share their stories, and we seek solutions to these types of attacks, the archontic forces will continue to dominate humanity.

Back to the story -
At the moment the voice I thought was god told me I had to break the seals to prove myself to god, I attempted to break my eyes with my fingers. I was able to detach the retina in my left eye. I attempted to do the same to my right eye but was unsuccessful. My screams alerted the jailers something was wrong. They rushed into my cell and stopped me from succeeding fully with my right eye. I was flown by helicopter to a hospital in Honolulu where they attempted to save the vision in my left eye but were unsuccessful. Fortunately I did not lose the vision in my right eye.

Again, this is very difficult to share about on an open forum. I am certain most readers, if not all readers, may conclude I was (am may still be) crazy. I can’t help it what anyone thinks and I do not care anymore. These stories need to get out.

This one experience is just a very small part of a basket of experiences which, when I looked back upon my life, led me to the realization that I have been under an archontic attack throughout my entire life.

I must make it known now that part of my savior complex was that I had also been steered by the voice to consider I was the reincarnation of horus just like jesus. I will document the various synchronicities I shared with Horus in another post, but what had initially steered me in this direction was the discovery of a great amount of literature and internet links that focused on the comparison of jesus to horus. Here are a few examples –

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_Christ_in_comparative_mythology
“Above is a statue of Isis, the wife and sister of Osiris, nursing their child Horus dating from the Ptolemaic dynasty of Egypt; "The iconography of Horus either influenced or was appropriated in early Christian art. Isis and the baby Horus may often be seen as precursor for Mary and the infant Jesus"

http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_jcpa5b.htm
contains a chart with 21 major similarities in their story

I also once typed into google The Children of Horus and the top link was this –
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_sons_of_Horus
Four sons of Horus…
My first wife is the mother of my only known children – I have three living sons, but also, and the reason I married my first wife to begin with was because she got pregnant with our first child that sadly she miscarried at about the 4.5 month stage. I had to wrap the little baby up and take him to the hospital because they required this action. When I did so, I saw he was a little boy. We actually had a funeral for him, had already chosen his name, etc. Anyways so when I considered that I actually had four sons and read this part of the horus myth, it further supported my theory I was also the reincarnation of horus.

I have several other interesting synchronicities but this is not the post to document these except for this last one.

It was when I started using marijuana again for my last time (hopefully). August 2010. This last time I went immediately into hyper synchronicity. The voice said to consider my mother’s name – her birth name (she long ago had legally changed her name). Her birth name was Mary. The voice said what was her mother’s name – it was also Mary. The voice said to consider my great grand mother’s name – yep… Mary. Then the voice said what is your sister’s name (I have only one sister and have a ½ brother). My sister was named mary. I then asked google if jesus had a sister and found information that suggested this was possible. And then I asked myself the most obvious question which I already knew the answer to and that was regarding the name of my wife and mother of my children and her name is Mandy. I said, “aha! Not a Mary” and the voice said look closer. I looked at the two names

Mary
Mandy

The only difference was the “r” in Mary and the “nd” in Mandy. The voice said, "what letter numerically is the letter r in the English language?" I counted and it is the 18th letter. The voice said, "what letters are n and d?" I counted and I saw they were the 4th and 14th letter. The voice said, "add those two together" – I got 18. I had that conversation back in 2001. What also happened just days after that conversation was a son of a carpenter that helped my family happened to be over at our house playing with my own sons. He was about 10 years old at the time. He was also autistic or had some other similar disorder. He happened to be drawing a picture and I started to watch him. He the drew “r = 18” which had nothing to do with the picture he was drawing. This came only a few days after the voice had told me to look at Mary/Mandy. This is a typical example of various real life components that assisted in the creation of my messiah complex.

Now – how this ties into horus –

Now let’s consider this exchange between bearcow and Houman –

Posted by bearcow
“they call it horus ra for obvious reason yet it is not the same being worshiped by egyptians? Why confuse the issue?”
Posted by Houman
Because they see a connection with it but don't have a full proof

Perhaps there cannot be “full proof” but it is clear to me based on the symbology that I was fighting a spiritual war where I was on the side of “god” (perceiving this to be the good side) against an evil adversary that I perceived at the time to be “satan.”

The following ties it all in with horus and ties horus in with the archons - please read patiently as there's lots of dots to connect.

As stated above, I had zero clue of the existence of some Egyptian myth regarding Horus and his evil uncle Set. It was only in 2002 (16 years after the eye blinding event) that I discovered the myth while reading Manly Hall’s – The Secret Teachings of All Ages.

As some renditions of the Horus story goes – from Wikipedia –
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horus
“As Horus was the ultimate victor he became known as Harsiesis, Heru-ur or Har-Wer (ḥr.w wr 'Horus the Great'), but more usually translated as Horus the Elder. In the struggle Set had lost a testicle, explaining why the desert, which Set represented, is infertile. Horus' left eye had also been gouged out, which explained why the moon, which it represented, was so weak compared to the sun.”

Horus’ left eye had been gouged out.

I gouged out my left eye in a battle with evil to prove myself to god that I was a worthy savior.

You can see in my picture how my left eye is shut. That is because when I detached the retina, the gas within the eye slowly dissipated and the eye naturally closes all the time. I do not wear a fake eye, I usually wear sun glasses in public due to my embarresment.

The final link between horus and the archontic forces came when I was doing an internet search about horus in the final stages of my last psychotic period, December of 2011. I discovered a link between horus and the amoeba parasite entity related to the archons. I then searched google for the archons and found this –
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archon
and while reading the link information saw this - the 7th archon -
“Horaios
The Moon.
Feminine name: Wealth.
Prophets: Michaiah, Nahum.
From Jaroah? or "light"? or Horus?”

It was at this moment that I flashed back again to the strange experience I had when I was six years old which I posted about in another thread –

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44353-My-possible-abduction-experience

and suddenly everything seemed to be clear. I wasn’t the reincarnation of jesus unless jesus was the reincarnation of horus. And horus appears to be related directly to one of the seven archons which are the primary eminations of the demiurge. The demiurge was the “blind creator god” that saw itself as the supreme god and that there was no other god. I recalled that same type of sentiment coming from “god” in the old testament in the book of Samuel. My first name is Samuel.

When I was about 35 years old I discovered a book called the Gnostic Goeples by Elaine Pagels which led me to special order a copy of the Nag Hammadi. I studied the creation myths. A few years later I found myself moving to an island in the Caribbean because of a business I wanted to open there that was not legal to do in the US. I had to create a corporation and so I flipped open the Nag Hammadi to choose a name – the name I chose was Demiurge. I had zero clue at the time about any horus nor could I make much sense out of the creation myths in the Nag Hammadi. I was so dumb I thought the demiurge was a good guy! I named my corporation demiurge to impress the wealthy European investors that I was “in the know.” What a niave idiot I was 9and probably may still be).

Anyway, those are just a few of the synchronicities I came upon and that were discovered to be synchronicities years and years after the actual events occurred that created the facts surrounding the events.

It was only April 26th this year when reading post#1 in Houman’s Horus-Ra thread that everything finally seemed to come together… that it wasn’t god at all that had been talking to me my whole life. It was something very different… something that perhaps had dark intentions and was simply using me. But that day… and anyone who goes back and sees my posts, I changed. A huge weight lifted off my shoulders. It all made sense. I could reclaim my all but completely stolen soul and be Chester again. A regular ole dude that’s just one of us.

Anyways bearcow, it is not exactly proof in the classic sense, but cases can be made in court based on circumstantial evidence. I could write a book several hundred pages filled with all the synchronicities that led me to my original false conclusions and cost me my left eye and almost cost me my life in early January this year.
I apologize my posts are so long, this stuff is very hard to condense without leaving key, relevant information.

Anyways I will add one more thought – it is because of my own experience that I think that if the man known as jesus had actually lived, he may have just been a regular dude that somehow got targeted by these same archontic forces. You get all sorts of wisdom from these voices and experiences, but you also have to deal with that savior complex. In his case, it got him murdered. That’s what I think happened to him and what perhaps has happened to the several dozen others who have had massively similar comparisons to the jesus story. It’s all off world influence, folks. You don’t even need to necessarily have living, breathing human beings in on the conspiracy to create one of these savior things. Maybe these savior creations are what the illuminutty have been waiting on.

In another post, I will relate the story about my experience with Sirius and how this all ties together with horus, Alistair Crowley, Jack Parsons, the illuminati and Leo Zagami of all people… now that I am brave enough to post all this stuff, and once I get all the primary pieces out on the table, hopefully readers can see how I wasn’t just crazy – it was real stuff, real facts of my life, voices in my head and impossible conformational synchronicities that would rise up in the reality that had me thinking all this crazy stuff.

OK enough for now – justone

[The Arthen]

Yet once again lines have been drawn in the sand, the very sand we all stand on. Waves looking for the Ocean they move on. John Lennon had it right, imagine if there was no religion, then people could live as one. Just like before the tower of babble. Lets come together. Or number (9)

JohnXXX

I'd love to think that religion is the cause of all harmonious problems.

Then again.....something tells me all these complexes and stuff would STILL be happening in one form or another - even if there was NO face of religion as we know it.
Don't ask me why - I don't really know why. Religion to me is another manifestation of deeply embedded stuff that was there to begin with anyway.

I think it's important to see what in the human psyche caused religion, rather than what religion has caused.

[RedeZra]

It is in fact the Jesus thumpers as , Wynderer noted, keep people away from Jesus. As you have so eloquently demonstrated here, they use Jesus for a purpose other than what he was intended for which is the point of this thread. Archonic influence.



buddy Jesus is known to step on some holy hooves hehe

i will tear down everything til truth shines through

[Chester]

i think it boils down to this

will we listen to those who have met Jesus or will we give an ear to those who have not met Him

and then form our opinions

or we can take responsibility for ourselves


yes but when death comes

then what


then what? what is the "you" that would continue? is it a thing we call a soul? still sounds like something separate from the creator source. Do we dream up the idea of a soul because we secretly fear death? Why cloud your existence in the now moment with the concept of death and what may then come after death?

something I got from David Icke - he says he's "Infinite Awareness having an experience called David Icke"

Inelia Benz says she a once and only once incarnation

what is so fearful about popping in and then one day going away?

look at how screwed up this planet is... consider how the fear of death and/or the obsession with death and/or the attempt to conjure up a what next scenario after death has done for us all?

imagine if this one and only life is all you've got and you wasted it on illusions and mental masterbations about all the what ifs

[Chester]

go to 22:15 and listen to Rauni-Leena Luukanen-Kilde, a Finnish physician, explain why Nato's 1964 report on disclosure recommended that there not be disclosure - the # 1 reason is because of what it would do to all the religions - "they would all crumble down"

such is the power of this number 1 vice of humanity


i don't know why

because these so-called aliens are mentioned in most religions

as the gods of old

mostly because that came from 1964 - a far greater % of the world's population at that time would have had their world views shattered by such a revelation.

And I agree that the more modern interpretations suggest the god(s) may have been aliens. Houman's thread Horus-Ra suggests the demons are also some of these same aliens.

[RedeZra]

Do we dream up the idea of a soul because we secretly fear death? Why cloud your existence in the now moment with the concept of death and what may then come after death?

imagine if this one and only life is all you've got and you wasted on illusions and mental masterbations about all the what ifs


Scripture is crystal clear

one life so don't blow it


how we conduct ourselves here and now

determines where we will spend i dunno a loong time maybe eternity


Jesus says don't sin and soil your soul

for it takes My blood to make you pure again


when we sin then we must get a pardon from the King


but if we can't be bothered with God and codes of conduct

then well wait and see

[Chester]

Redezra, in AA we have a saying re getting our message out --'Attraction rather than promotion'

i for one would feel strengthened by your personal stories of Jesus , & would respond to Love in your posts

i really don't like it in my daily life when someone accosts me on the street, demanding that i say 'Jesus is the only way to God' -- this must be a real turn-off to folks who don't know Him --

Jesus Himself was very big on actions speaking louder than words

I would like to make a comment about RedeZra now that I have read dozens of his posts. (Forgive me I am speaking about you as if you aren't here, but please, read and hopefully you will be cool with what I have stated).

He/She (I cannot assume gender) appeared to be one of those fundamentalist, holy rollers... but the more I have read her/his posts, I have seen a really good hearted person with absolutely only good intentions. I also noticed we would attack him/her at times (I have certainly done this though I tried to be diplomatic), and instead of reacting in kind, RedeZra came back with a kind post. I like RedeZra a lot and wished I knew him/her in the flesh. Thanks RedZra for posting on this thread.

I do have to make one observation though... the poster name - RedeZra ... RedeZ...ra Horus-Ra

I tend to see strange things like that (they can be sneaky devils hey mate?)

[Chester]

Jesus the man:

Yashu ben Joseph was the actual name of the man, Jesus.

This we know from the discovery of the unmolested Nag Hammadi Library discovered in Egypt in 1945 - buried there for nearly two thousand years. Some of these text date back to the 2nd century BCE. None of these text were written after the 2nd century CE.

The Jesus name is a transliteration of the many interpretations from ancient Hebrew into Greek. As the fairytale - known as the Holy Bible - developed over nearly a four hundred year period of time, driven by an agenda of the Roman Empire at the beginning of the common era, the mythological-JESUS was incorporated into the false doctrine of Trinity Christianity.

According to the Nag Hammadi text, Yashu was a Nazarene-Essene. These were the early Christians that were annihilated by the Roman Empire in an act of genocide designed to purge the world of any doctrine contrary to the Trinity dogma.

These folks have done a lot of study in the Nag Hammadi Library, the Qumran Library (Dead Sea Scrolls), and Manichaean texts (http://www.gnosis.org/library/manis.htm). For anyone serious about the research, spend some time perusing this site:
http://essenes.net/index.php?Itemid=841&id=591&option=com_content&task=view

JESUS the Archon:
It is so very difficult to separate this concept from the evidence being presented in Houman's, Horus Ra Thread:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit

When the Roman Empire embarked on an agenda to perpetuate their control of Humanity into our contemporary reality they created the myth of a Trinity JESUS. This was all done with manipulation from hyperdimensional beings through the process of telepathic thought.

The evidence is all there in Houman's thread, which is fundamental to understanding why JESUS of the Bible is an Archon. His mythological character was created by Archons /Reptiles.

They are very clever at what they do....

Thank You, observer... you stated what I was hoping someone would state when I created this thread. Mission accomplished... well, at least one of the goals has been accomplished.

[gripreaper]

Scripture is crystal clear one life so don't blow it

Scripture is crystal clear on reincarnation, as John the Baptist was the reincarnation of Elijah.

Please RedeZra, you have your subjective opinions about how you wish to interpret the scrolls, and so did the elite who put them together at the Council of Nicaea, and those interpretations DO NOT coincide or corroborate with the evidence or the other ancient texts.

I do understand how hard it is to unwind the programed lies from the bible, because it requires you to look at everything you have invested your whole life into as a lie, but this is the only way to find true freedom and awakening. So, whatever is your subjective experience which is causing you to filter the lies from the scripture, it would be best to approach the inquiry from a mind which rejects all conventional teachings and do one's searching from the core of the heart.

Reincarnation is real and has been proven and substantiated BOTH in scripture and in all of the other corroborating texts, so your statement is blatantly subjective.

[Houman]

The Crucifixion Hymn -
A Manichaean hymn in Parthian (http://www.gnosis.org/library/crucihymn.htm)


... Because of Satan the select were chosen by Jesus.
He (Satan) wanted to break through the fiery waves, to burn
the whole world with fire. The noble ruler (Jesus) changed his
garment and appeared before Satan in his power.
Then heaven and earth trembled, and Sammaèl plunged into
the deep. The true interpreter (Jesus) as filled with pity because
of the Light which the foe had devoured. He had raised it (the Light)
up from the deep pit of death to that place of zeal from which it
had descended.
Honor to you, Son of Greatness, who has liberated your righteous
ones. Protect, now, too, the Teacher Màr Zaku, the great keeper of your
radiant herd.

...

Awake, brethren, you chosen ones, on this day of the salvation of souls,
the foutreenth day of the month of Mihr, on which Jesus, the Son of God,
entered Parinirvana.
Harken, all you faithful:
When the time for the perfection of the Son of Man had come, all the
demons knew it. And the lord of the sinful doctrine ... covered himself
in deceit. And the demons took cunsel with each other. The twelve thrones
above were disturbed. Poison flowed down on the lower creation,
upon the sons, and the chalce of death was prepared for him (Jesus).
The Jews, the servants of the most high God, conceived of a deception ...
They conspired against the Son of Man. They devised evil; in deception
they brought forth false witnesses. Accursed Satan, who had always
troubled the apostles, molested the herd of Christ. He turned the treacherous
Iscariot into a steed, when the Most Beloved Jesus trusted the disciples.
He (Judas) indicated him to the night-watchman by a kiss on his hand.
He delivered the Son of God to the foes. He betrayed Truth. For the
sake of a rewrd that the Jews gave, he offered up his own lord and teacher.


Note:

Most parthians were Zoroastrians, it is interesting that this text is attributed to them and Mani (who was Persian).

Here is a video on the difference between Persians and Romans

t_WqUbpRChU

and here is one on the clash between the 2 empires
DpfGSy-iZH8

the whole set
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWdq_lHFX68&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpfGSy-iZH8&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_WqUbpRChU&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxS6V3lc6vM&feature=relmfu

[Houman]

from http://www.gnostic-jesus.com/
...
The Roman Emperor Constantine was the first to embrace Christianity but he did not do so because he was a convert. This is evidenced by the fact that he did not receive baptism until he was on his deathbed. At the time he embraced Christianity as part of the Roman landscape he did so as a matter of political expediency. It was a means of controlling the masses. For this reason he sided with the hierarchy of priests, deacons and bishops as they were also declaring the right to control the flock. The Gnostics did not fit in to Constantine's plans. Gnosticism was self-empowering. This is not conducive to control by others.
Gnostic Gospels

As we might imagine, Constantine banned the Gnostics and ordered a book burning. Fortunately, a Gnostic or group of Gnostics buried a large stash of Gnostic scrolls in a cave near Nag Hammadi, Egypt. These were discovered in 1945 and were thereafter called the Nag Hammadi library. These are a compendium of 13 ancient works called codices containing more than 50 texts. This discovery was truly astonishing. We knew about many of these heretofore missing texts because they are referred to in other works. For example, the Bible refers to the Book of Jasher in two places. The Nag Hammadi library contains a significant number of primary Gnostic texts. These had been thought destroyed in the purge of Constantine. Three of the most important texts are the Gospel of Philip, the Gospel of Truth and, perhaps the most famous, the Gospel of Thomas...

[Chester]

Then there's no point in YOU in beating other people over the head with Jesus (not his intended use) because we can't (and won't) come to Jesus through you.

We are very well of the fact that we are not going to find the way to the Father, through you Redezra.

It is in fact the Jesus thumpers as , Wynderer noted, keep people away from Jesus. As you have so eloquently demonstrated here, they use Jesus for a purpose other than what he was intended for which is the point of this thread. Archonic influence.

You again have provided evidence of this phenom.

Get thee behind me.





i really don't like it in my daily life when someone accosts me on the street, demanding that i say 'Jesus is the only way to God' -- this must be a real turn-off to folks who don't know Him --

Jesus Himself was very big on actions speaking louder than words


Jesus says in Scripture "nobody comes to the Father but through Me"

and if Jesus is God

then who are all these other dudes

demons ?

and WOW - someone was able to hit on the other point I was hoping would emerge from this thread... that it is possible, those who take the bible so literally and those that may be absolutely certain jesus was the son of god and/or died for the forgiveness of our sins and/or is some specieal being and none of the rest of us humans are... that to me smacks of archontic influence.

Having said that... just like they say in AA, it is up to the individual alcoholic to make the determination one might in fact be an alcoholic... I sense the same thing is true for those of us who may be susceptible to the archontic influences. I can hear myself now.

Hi, my name is Chester and I am an archonaholic.

[Chester]

Jesus the man:

Yashu ben Joseph was the actual name of the man, Jesus.

This we know from the discovery of the unmolested Nag Hammadi Library discovered in Egypt in 1945 - buried there for nearly two thousand years. Some of these text date back to the 2nd century BCE. None of these text were written after the 2nd century CE.

The Jesus name is a transliteration of the many interpretations from ancient Hebrew into Greek. As the fairytale - known as the Holy Bible - developed over nearly a four hundred year period of time, driven by an agenda of the Roman Empire at the beginning of the common era, the mythological-JESUS was incorporated into the false doctrine of Trinity Christianity.

According to the Nag Hammadi text, Yashu was a Nazarene-Essene. These were the early Christians that were annihilated by the Roman Empire in an act of genocide designed to purge the world of any doctrine contrary to the Trinity dogma.

These folks have done a lot of study in the Nag Hammadi Library, the Qumran Library (Dead Sea Scrolls), and Manichaean texts (http://www.gnosis.org/library/manis.htm). For anyone serious about the research, spend some time perusing this site:
http://essenes.net/index.php?Itemid=841&id=591&option=com_content&task=view

JESUS the Archon:
It is so very difficult to separate this concept from the evidence being presented in Houman's, Horus Ra Thread:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit

When the Roman Empire embarked on an agenda to perpetuate their control of Humanity into our contemporary reality they created the myth of a Trinity JESUS. This was all done with manipulation from hyperdimensional beings through the process of telepathic thought.

The evidence is all there in Houman's thread, which is fundamental to understanding why JESUS of the Bible is an Archon. His mythological character was created by Archons /Reptiles.

They are very clever at what they do....

I already commented that this post is one of the best posts on the thread - Observer points out that "trinity" regurgitation - spot on observer, spot on.

I have stated in my previous posts the man jesus may have lived. I stated it that way because I did not want to make that assumption for others. But I also share the view that the man actually did live and he was, indeed, the man observer mentions in this post - Yashu ben Joseph or something very similar to that.

I also believe the PTBs inlaid the recurrent "trinity" theme which was also inlaid in the Osiris/Isis/Horus story.

I already mentioned the "Mary" synchronicity I had experienced in post #72 of this thread. In addition, I mentioned the synchronicities that linked the "jesus" stuff to the "horus" stuff. So we are now clear in this thread there was jesus the actual man and JESUS the being which archontic forces would want us to buy into.

As part of my personal synchronicity I will share this component. My Mom (as I mentioned) was named Mary. But she never went by that. Instead, while growing up, she went by a nick name - that name being Sissy. And that name was shortened to simply Sis.

Amazingly close to Isis... in fact, too close.

[Chester]

Yet once again lines have been drawn in the sand, the very sand we all stand on. Waves looking for the Ocean they move on. John Lennon had it right, imagine if there was no religion, then people could live as one. Just like before the tower of babble. Lets come together. Or number (9)

JohnXXX

I'd love to think that religion is the cause of all harmonious problems.

Then again.....something tells me all these complexes and stuff would STILL be happening in one form or another - even if there was NO face of religion as we know it.
Don't ask me why - I don't really know why. Religion to me is another manifestation of deeply embedded stuff that was there to begin with anyway.

I think it's important to see what in the human psyche caused religion, rather than what religion has caused.

Watch that stuff about "cargo cultures" - perhaps when a naturally evolving culture is faced with having to explain something they don't yet have the capacity to explain... they create explanations that turn into religions.

Perhaps, if a more advanced form of being had come to a "virgin earth" and discovered beings that were of the same basic form but was far less advanced in their evolution in understanding consciousness and technology, the visitors could take advantage of that situation by pretending to be "gods" This, of course, is one of the theories of part of earth's true history.

Could this have happened? Could ancient Atlanteans or Egytptians or Enochians - the Watchers been off world vistitors? Could this have happened more than once in earth history?

Could we have had visitors who were benevolent and wanted to share their off world wisdom, technology and DNA freely? This last question is part of the teachings of at least one Dragon society I am familiar with. It wasn't until a separate, malevolent group of off world beings came to earth that things got screwy according to the history taught by this specific Dragon society.

Anyways, perhaps we can never really know about all of that... but I sure as hell doubt the earth is just 6,000 years old and was created in 6 days.

[Chester]

Do we dream up the idea of a soul because we secretly fear death? Why cloud your existence in the now moment with the concept of death and what may then come after death?

imagine if this one and only life is all you've got and you wasted on illusions and mental masterbations about all the what ifs


Scripture is crystal clear

one life so don't blow it


how we conduct ourselves here and now

determines where we will spend i dunno a loong time maybe eternity


Jesus says don't sin and soil your soul

for it takes My blood to make you pure again


when we sin then we must get a pardon from the King


but if we can't be bothered with God and codes of conduct

then well wait and see

WoW... this is scary - in a way, RedeZra you have confirmed I am in fact jesus. I say this because I am the king of myself which pardons me all the time as I make mistakes all the time. Strange how this all worked out! ok... just in case someone takes me seriously, I was just kidding, still, I hope I made my point.

[Chester]

Scripture is crystal clear one life so don't blow it

Scripture is crystal clear on reincarnation, as John the Baptist was the reincarnation of Elijah.

Please RedeZra, you have your subjective opinions about how you wish to interpret the scrolls, and so did the elite who put them together at the Council of Nicaea, and those interpretations DO NOT coincide or corroborate with the evidence or the other ancient texts.

I do understand how hard it is to unwind the programed lies from the bible, because it requires you to look at everything you have invested your whole life into as a lie, but this is the only way to find true freedom and awakening. So, whatever is your subjective experience which is causing you to filter the lies from the scripture, it would be best to approach the inquiry from a mind which rejects all conventional teachings and do one's searching from the core of the heart.

Reincarnation is real and has been proven and substantiated BOTH in scripture and in all of the other corroborating texts, so your statement is blatantly subjective.

I would be lying if I didn't admit I wanna believe in reincarnation. Yet, I hope readers can understand why that consideration can be dangerous in my case... I am sticking with Inelia on this one, I wanna be a single timer and fine with absorbing back into source at the end of this life... soul included.

[9eagle9]

Interesting perspective of Jesus as an interpreter.


The Crucifixion Hymn -
A Manichaean hymn in Parthian (http://www.gnosis.org/library/crucihymn.htm)


... Because of Satan the select were chosen by Jesus.
He (Satan) wanted to break through the fiery waves, to burn
the whole world with fire. The noble ruler (Jesus) changed his
garment and appeared before Satan in his power.
Then heaven and earth trembled, and Sammaèl plunged into
the deep. The true interpreter (Jesus) as filled with pity because
of the Light which the foe had devoured. He had raised it (the Light)
up from the deep pit of death to that place of zeal from which it
had descended.
Honor to you, Son of Greatness, who has liberated your righteous
ones. Protect, now, too, the Teacher Màr Zaku, the great keeper of your
radiant herd.

...

Awake, brethren, you chosen ones, on this day of the salvation of souls,
the foutreenth day of the month of Mihr, on which Jesus, the Son of God,
entered Parinirvana.
Harken, all you faithful:
When the time for the perfection of the Son of Man had come, all the
demons knew it. And the lord of the sinful doctrine ... covered himself
in deceit. And the demons took cunsel with each other. The twelve thrones
above were disturbed. Poison flowed down on the lower creation,
upon the sons, and the chalce of death was prepared for him (Jesus).
The Jews, the servants of the most high God, conceived of a deception ...
They conspired against the Son of Man. They devised evil; in deception
they brought forth false witnesses. Accursed Satan, who had always
troubled the apostles, molested the herd of Christ. He turned the treacherous
Iscariot into a steed, when the Most Beloved Jesus trusted the disciples.
He (Judas) indicated him to the night-watchman by a kiss on his hand.
He delivered the Son of God to the foes. He betrayed Truth. For the
sake of a rewrd that the Jews gave, he offered up his own lord and teacher.


Note:

Most parthians were Zoroastrians, it is interesting that this text is attributed to them and Mani (who was Persian).

Here is a video on the difference between Persians and Romans

t_WqUbpRChU

and here is one on the clash between the 2 empires
DpfGSy-iZH8

the whole set
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWdq_lHFX68&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpfGSy-iZH8&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_WqUbpRChU&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxS6V3lc6vM&feature=relmfu

[jackovesk]

Jesus Christ oh my Lord Jesus Christ....

Where the *** did you go My Morning Star friend..?

Lord Jesus please help your worshipers understand their sins...

These sorry souls can't exist without you if you won"t forgive them....

But you died on the 'Cross' for us, to eliviate those sins didn't you Lord Jesus...?


The Lord's Prayer

Our Father, which art in heaven,
Hallowed be thy Name.
Thy Kingdom come.
Thy will be done in earth,
As it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread.
And forgive us our trespasses,
As we forgive them that trespass against us.
And lead us not into temptation,
But deliver us from evil.
For thine is the kingdom,

The power, and the glory,

For ever and ever.

Amen.

Every morning assembly at school I was asked to recite these words...

I don't know how old the 'Lord's Prayer' is...?

But I "GUARANTEE" you one thing...

The 'SON OF GOD' did'nt write it....:nono:

If I was to have a One-On-One conversation with the Light of the 'Morning Star' I would ask him...

Why...???

I'm sure Jesus was thinking of us all when he wrote this little Ditty...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yA98MujNeM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yA98MujNeM

...Or was it this one...???


http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=sYZs7VJaAlQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=sYZs7VJaAlQ

[9eagle9]

Lol. Shut up Jack.

( i mean that lovingly)

My irreverence is annoying enough without you sticking your two cents in.

[Davy]

This is an appeal to pure cowardice. It has absolutely nothing to do with the search for truth. Instead, it’s an appeal to abandon honesty and intellectual integrity, and to pretend that lip service is the same thing as actual belief. If the patriarchal God of Christianity really exists, one wonders how it would judge the cowards and hypocrites who advance and bow to this particularly craven.
Jesus was, and is,.....more than a man!

Jesus was, and is,.....more than an Archon!!

and by no means is "this",.......inspired by Houman's Horus-Ra thread!!!


Opinions and theories seem to be "very diverse" on this extremely important topic!

Was He a "man" at one time?,.....the Scriptures certainly say that He was!,...but "also" that He was much, much more than that!

1 Timothy 3:16
King James Version (KJV)

16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Who was "this One" that was,.....manifest in the flesh,.....justified in the Spirit,....seen of angels,.....preached unto the Gentiles,.....believed on in the world,...and then,.....received up into glory?,.......the Scripture says,......JESUS!! (note: this Scripture, along with many others, is giving us all a "very strong hint" that He was certainly "more than a man"!) (hint:.....I believe "IT" called Him God,.....didn't "IT"?)

Was He an Archon?,....let's look, first, at what Merriam-Webster says about "archon"

ar·chon noun \ˈär-ˌkän, -kən\
Definition of ARCHON
1: a chief magistrate in ancient Athens
2: a presiding officer
3: any ruler

(note: in all "3" definitions above,.....Jesus surpassed these "roles" by a land-slide,....as fully indicated by the Scriptures,....once again!!)

1 Timothy 6:14-16
King James Version (KJV)

14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:

15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;

16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Folks, the above referenced Scripture contains no typo-graphical errors, in that it plainly tells us, correctly, that Jesus will one day,....once and for all,....show the entire World that He is the....."only Potentate",....the King of kings,.....and the Lord of lords.

"Only" means "one" and "one, alone". It, at no time, has indicated a "plurality", regarding specifically a "plurality of Deities."

Once again, Merriam-Webster reveals,......

po·ten·tate noun \ˈpō-tən-ˌtāt\
Definition of POTENTATE
: ruler, sovereign; broadly : one who wields great power or sway

(note: If He is the "only" Potentate,.....the "only" one who wields great power or sway,....I ask you,....is the Bible not, once again, giving us all "another great hint", at just "who" this JESUS was, in actuality?)

Jesus was, and is,........more than a man!
Jesus was, and is,........more than an Archon!!!

Do you know "who" this Jesus really was,.....and is today?

.......to be continued,......


Love and Peace,........kreagle This reads as fear-inducing threats to inspire.

[RedeZra]

He/She (I cannot assume gender) appeared to be one of those fundamentalist, holy rollers... but the more I have read her/his posts, I have seen a really good hearted person with absolutely only good intentions. I also noticed we would attack him/her at times (I have certainly done this though I tried to be diplomatic), and instead of reacting in kind, RedeZra came back with a kind post. I like RedeZra a lot and wished I knew him/her in the flesh. Thanks RedZra for posting on this thread.

I do have to make one observation though... the poster name - RedeZra ... RedeZ...ra Horus-Ra

I tend to see strange things like that (they can be sneaky devils hey mate?)


tnx and i'm just one man too

and Ezra was an Old Testament scribe who returned from the Babylonian exile and reintroduced the Torah or God's instruction in Jerusalem


i'm trying to figure out the purpose of life

and i can't ignore the thousands of testimonies from people all over the world about Jesus

it is always Jesus healing protecting giving forgiving and so many testify to that


so i'm not going to ignore these reports

but include them in my investigation into truth


either most of you are ignorant of these testimonies about Jesus or you just ignore them

condemning without investigation


and that makes you... ?

[Houman]

and by no means is "this",.......inspired by Houman's Horus-Ra thread!!!


I must agree with this, the problem with this thread lies in the fact that its title sounds like a conclusion...




Do you know "who" this Jesus really was,.....and is today?


Good question... here is the Zoroastrian perspective on Jesus (the "was part") and the origins of some fundamental concepts appearing in Christianity (I am not endorsing it but I find it interesting and its material worth investigating)...

a few noteworthy elements are:

1 The first person to be called christ in the bible was not Jesus but Cyrus
http://www.biblestudytools.com/wyc/isaiah/45.html (The Lord saith these things to my christ, Cyrus, whose right hand I took...)

2 Zoroaster fortold that from his lineage would come three Sayoshants ("Saviors"); born of three holy virgins.

3 With time, The "Three Wise Men" were turned from Zoroastrian magavan into three "kings" or "astrologers".

4 Many concepts (such as hell, paradise, resurrection, etc...) did not exist in Judaism before its interaction with Zoroastrianism

5 Was the god of Judaism (Jehovah) the same as the one associated with Jesus?

===================================================

from http://zoroastrian.angelfire.com/

The Zoroastrian Origins of Judaism, Christianity, and Islaam
by Darrick T. Evenson.


Greetings!

We are Zoroastrians, followers of the Prophet Zoroaster (Zarathustra), the founder of the first monotheistic religion on Earth that he called Behi-Deen (the Good Religion).

There are about 250,000 Zoroastrians on the planet today. In Iran we are called Mazdayasni ("Mazda-Worshippers") or Behdeeni ("follwers of the Good Religion"). In India we are called "Parsees" (Persians). In the rest of the world we are called Zarathustri or "Zoroastrians".

The Good Religion (a.k.a. "Zoroastrianism") was founded in 1737 B.C. by Zarathustra Spitaman of Central Asia (Bactria). He was the first Messenger of the Wise Supreme Being (Ahura Mazda). The Greeks called him Zoro ("Shining") Aster ("Star"). He was born of the Aryan tribe, and spoke a language called Avestan; very similar to Sanskrit.

Zoroastrians refer to him as "Awsho" ("Righteous-Teacher").

At that time the Aryans worshipped many gods and goddesses, with very complicated rites; very similar to the Brahminism of India. The Aryans were divided into castes of priests (Brahmins), warrior-knights, artisans, and workers. The priests taught the people that they had to make sacrifices to the rain god to get rain, to the cattle god if their cattle were sick, to the sky gods, to gods of fertility to make sure their crops grew, their babies were born healthy, etc.

Young Zoroaster was a Seeker of Truth. He would spend many hours asking the priests various questions, and was not satisfied with most of their answers. Then one day, while gatering water, Zoroaster was visited by a Cosmic Being called Vohu Manah (Good Mind) who taught him the "Religion of the Good Mind"; what became known as "the Good Religion".

http://zoroastrian.angelfire.com/vohumanah.jpg
Vohu Manah (Vohuman) appears to Zoroaster (c. 1737 B.C.)

Vohu Manah taught Zoroaster the "Good Religion"; the first Revelation of the Supreme Being (Ahura Mazda) to mankind.

Zoroaster composed a series of 17 Hymns called "Gathas" that composed the core of the Good Religion. He began to sing these hymns to others, and others would sing the hymns. He preached against the caste system, and referred to the gods and goddesses of the priests as "demons". He called for all two-legged creatures (humans) to forsake the "Religion of Demons" and to embrace the worship of the Ahura Mazda ("Supreme-Being Super-Wise") and become Mazdayasni ("Mazda-worshippers").

The priestly-caste were enraged, and tried to persecute and kill Zoroaster, but he was miraculously saved many times. Then, Zoroaster converted the King of Bactria, King Vishtaspa, who then made the Good Religion the official religion of Bactria. Over the centuries, the Zoroastrians of Bactria (who spoke an Aryan dialect) converted the other Aryans to the West in what is now Iran.

http://zoroastrian.angelfire.com/vishtaspa.jpg
Zoroaster teaching King Vishtaspa

Before his death, Zoroaster fortold that three Saoyoshants (Saviors) would arise from his lineage, all born of virgins.

In the 6th century B.C., the Kingdom of the Medes and Persians were Zoroastrians. About 587 B.C., King Cyrus of the Medes and Persians conquered the Kingdom of Babylon, and found that the king of Babylon (Nebuchanezar) had enslaved the Jews inside that kingdom. King Cyrus decreed that the Jews should return to Judea, and King Cyrus decided that he could rebuild the city of Jerusalem and the Temple that the Babylonians had destroyed.

http://zoroastrian.angelfire.com/persianempire.jpg
The Empire of Cyrus the Great


King Cyrus decides that he will let the Jews go back home to Palestine, and he (Cyrus) will give them money to rebuild their Temple which the Babylonians destroyed.

The LORD (God of Israel) says through His prophet Isaiah:

TO MY CHRIST

King Cyrus is the first person in history to be called "Christ", and was called so by the LORD, God of Israel.

The official title of King Cyrus was "Shahshanshahe"("King of kings").

During their 70 years in Babylon, the Jews came into contact with the Mazdayazni (Zoroastrians), and learned many new doctrines from them. Before their enslavement in Babylon, the Jews did not believe in Heaven or Hell or in the Resurrection. They believed that once you are dead you go to SHEOL ("the Grave"), and that was the end of all your thoughts and plans. But while they were in Babylon, the Zoroastrians taught them about "Paradise" (a Zoroastrian Persian word meaning "Garden"), and about the Fire (Hell), about a Final Judgment of all souls, and about the Resurrection. The Jews never knew of these concepts before they had met the Zoroastrians in Babylon!

While in Babylon, a Jew named Daniel became the favorite of King Nebuchanezzar. The Magi (wise men) of the king could not interpret his dreams, but Daniel could. So, the king made Daniel the Rab Mag ("Chief Magus") of all the Magoi. Daniel did not refuse this; although he had refused to eat unkosher food, and he had refused to worship a statue of the king. Daniel was even thrown into a den of lions because he refused to worship the statue of the king. But the lions did not harm him. He and two other Jews were thrown into a huge furnace because they refused to worship a pagan god, but the fire did not consume them.



But, Daniel did not refuse to become the Rab Mag of Babylon. As a young boy in Babylon, the teachers of Daniel had been the Magavan (called "Magoi" in Greek). The Magavan were a special class of Zoroastrian priests who specialized in interpreting dreams, in interpreting the stars, and in prophecy. They were also known to be great healers.

In other words, Daniel became a Zoroastrian priest; the Rab (Head) of all Magoi in the Kingdom of Babylon (see Daniel chapter 5).

King Cyrus then conquers Babylon, and issued a decree to let the Jews return to Judea, and to rebuild the Jewish Temple and the city of Jerusalem. King Cyrus became a "Savior" of the Jews, and is called by the God the Israel "My Christ".

Many of the Jews in Babylon convert to the Good Religion. They are called FAROOSHIYM ("Persians") because they follow a "Persian" religion. In Greek their name is "Pharisees".

Some of the Pharisees desired to learn the healing arts of the Zoroastrian Magoi ("Magi"), and became known as OSSENIYM ("Healers"). Their Greek name is "Essenes".

Some Jews refuse to convert to this "Persian" religion, and they are led by a priest named Tzadok. The Jews who refuse to convert to the "Persian" religion are called "followers of Tzadok" or TZODOKIYM. In Greek their name is "Sadducees".

One sect of Pharisees became known as the NAZARIYM (from the Aramaic word "nazarot" meaning "keepers"), In Greek they were known as Nazarenes. Their name comes from the fact that they claimed to be the "keepers" of the secrets of the Magoi.

The Pharisees remembered the prophesies they were first told about while in Babylon of three "Saviors" who would come. The Nazarenes knew that they would be born of virgins.

The Sadducees did not believe in any coming "Savior" or "Messiah". They did not believe in any afterlife. They believed that once you died all went to "The Grave" (SHEOL), and their plans and thoughts ended forever. They believed they had to worship the God of Israel because the God of Israel would protect them from famine and pestilence and from foreigh armies. Yet, the God of Israel did not protect them from the Babylonians. The Sadducees ascribed this to the fact that they had not lived the Torah (Law) correctly.


THE SADDUCEES

For the Sadducees, there was no afterlife, no angels, no spirits. They worshipped the God of Israel so that He would provide them with good rains, with bountiful crops, and with protection from famine, disease, locusts, and invading armies. If a famine did come, if the rains did not come, if the locusts or other pestilence came, or if a foreign army defeated them, it was simply because the people did not obey the Torah (Law) as they should have; that is why the God of Israel did not protect them or bless them as He had promised.

The Sadducees considered the Pharisees ("Persians") to have introduced into Israel a foreign religion; one that was false, and contained false notions of an afterlife, and of angels and spirits, of a resurrection, and of a Final Judgment, of Paradise and Hell. The Sadducees considered all of these to be foreign "Persian" notions that had nothing to do with the religion of Israel; which was to worship YHWH and to keep the Law of Moses. They rejected these "Persian" teachings.

THE POOR The Pharisees were very popular with the common people, called the Ebioniym ("Poor"). The Sadducees were popular with the Rich; who cared only for the things of this world. The Poor, on the other hand, lived very hard lives proping up the Rich, and were not content with merely living the Law. They wanted more. They saw how the Rich oppressed them. They saw injustice; how the Rich could bribe officials, but the Poor often could not get justice at all. They were not fond of the life they led. It was very difficult. It was full of pain and sorrow. It was full of very hard work, and injustice, and pain. The Pharisees promised them Divine Justice; that the Strong (Rich) would be made low, and the Humble (Poor) would be given many treasures in the World-to-Come.

Jesus said:

THE POOR

THE WORLD-TO-COME The Pharisee concept of the World-to-Come was based upon what the Zoroastrians had taught them in Babylon about the Final Judgment when all souls will be judged according to their works, and the Righteous would be led to Paradise ("a Zoroasterian word"), and the Unrighteous would "return to the House of Fire".

The Pharisees divided all souls into three groups:

*The Perfectly Righteous

*The In-Between

*The Perfectly Wicked

The Pharisees taught that there would be a resurrection of the dead, and after the resurrection there would be a judgment of all souls. They taught that the Perfectly Righteous would be given Paradise, and dwell in a Garden of Eden like condition in the World-to-Come. The Perfectly Wicked would be annihilated (cease to exist) in the Fire. They would be destroyed both body and soul. They compared the fire to the fire of Ge-Himmon (Greek: Gehenna); a valley outside of Jerusalem that burned trash, dead animals, and criminals; a fire that never stopped burning day or night. The In-Between, they taught, would go to the Fire for anywhere from one day to one year, which would purify their souls, and then they would be welcomed into Paradise.

The Poor called the Pharisee "Rabbi" ("My Teacher" or "My Head" or "My Master"). The Poor were happy that this was not the only life they had, and that God would judge all souls, and punish the Rich for oppressing them, and punish the evil doers who often escaped earthly justice. They were happy that a Messiah would come to "save" them. But save them from what? They did not know. Most thought it meant to be "saved" from foreign occupation (the Romans).

THE WISE MEN FROM THE EAST

About the year 6 B.C., the Zoroastrian Magoi of Babylon, saw in the heavens a comet in the constellation of Aries. They knew from prophecies that this announced the birth of a King of the Jews; since Aries represented Judah. The King of the Jews would be born. They were also familiar with other Zoroastrian prophecies about the coming of three Saoyoshants (Saviors) all born of virgins.

They interpreted all these things to mean that a child would be born of a virgin somewhere in Judea who would be the rightful king of the Jews, and the return of King Cyrus. They followed the comet to Judea. Then they asked King Herod where the Messiah of the Jews would be born, and King Herod asked his own advisors, and they said Bethlehem. They went to Bethlehem and found a young child just under two years of age.

They worshipped the child as the return (reincarnation) of King Cyrus, and offered to the child gifts of gold, frankensense, and myrhh; which represented the three principles of the Good Religion: good thoughts, good deeds, good words.

In Persian, the Magi were called "Magavan" (meaning "Great Ones"). The Greeks called them "Magoi". The Syrians and Jews called them Magusseans.

The Magavans were the "Masters of Wisdom". They were the keepers of the Ancient Secret Wisdom by which they could interpret the signs in the heavens, and interpret dreams, and also heal via miraculous means.

JESUS OF NAZARETH

In the Good Religion, Ahura Maza is the Supreme Being. He is called the "Propitious Spirit". He created the 6 Amenta Spentas ("Sparks"). They are called the "Immortals". Three are male, and three are female.

The first created Amenta Spenta is Vohu Manah (Good Mind). This is the being that appeared to Zoroaster near the Oxus river in Bactria (nothern Afghanistan) about 1737 B.C. and taught him the Good Religion.

In the Zoroastrian Scriptures, Vohu Manah is called the Son of Ahura Mazda (Yasna 31:8, 45:4). Paradise is the abode of Vohu Manah, and he leads souls to Paradise. His enemy is Aka Manah (Bad Mind), whose abode is Hell (Yasna 32:3).

Zoroaster fortold that from his lineage would come three Sayoshants ("Saviors"); born of three holy virgins. Some believe that these three "saviors" and three "virgins" are the incarnations of the 6 Amenda Spentas.

Some believe that Vohu Manah became incarnate as Jesus of Nazareth, and Mary was the incarnation of ; one of the female Amenda Spentas.

Jesus grew up in Nazareth, the village of the Nazarenes. He became known as a worker of miracles and a great healer. As a Pharisee, He took the title of "Rabbi". The original Christians did not call themselves "Christians" until the pagan Greeks called them that, first in Antioch, about 56 A.D. The disciples of Jesus believed they were "Pharisees" (Persians) who had found the true Messiah.

Even Paul, years after he had become a Christian, when he was taken before the Sanhedrin (Jewish Council), stated:

I am a Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee"

Was Paul lying? No! The first Christians considered themselves "Pharisees"; meaning Jews who believed in the "Persian" religion of Zoroaster. Paul was saying, "I am a Jew who follows the Persian religion, and the son of a Jew who followed the Persian religion".

The Nazarenes were a sect of Pharisees; specifically one that were "keepers" of the secrets of the Magusseans; of whom Daniel was the Head Magus during the Babylonian Captivity (c. 600-530 B.C.).

Jesus went about for three years, performing miracles such as raising the dead, healing the sick, and casting out demons. In the ancient world, these acts were performed by the Magoi (Magusseans), and termed "Magick".

The Jewish leaders thought that Jesus was a Magian; meaning a member of the sect of Magusseans. They wrote:

YESHU THE MAGICIAN

Jesus was later crucified, because the rulers of the Pharisees thought He was a false messiah. After all, where were His armies to "save" Israel from the Romans? He was teaching the doctrine of the Nazarenes; which the Pharisees thought to be heretical! How can anything "good" come out of Nazareth?

The Sadducees wanted Him dead because they feared He might upset the Romans, and they were Rich because of their trade with the Romans. They wanted nothing to rock their boat and end their gravy-train.

Jesus of Nazareth was crucified between two "thieves". These men were not robbers. They were Essenes; very holy men. But the Essenes refused to pay taxes to Rome. Thus, the Romans crucified them as "thieves"; for "stealing" from Rome.

On the Cross, one "thief" says to Jesus, "Lord, remember me when you come into your kingdom". Jesus replied, "Truly I tell you, Today you will be with me in PARADISE".

The word "Paradise" (or "pardes" in Greek) cannot be found in the Hebrew Bible. There is no mention of it in all the Old Testament! That is because it comes from the Zoroastrian religion, and means (in ancient Persian) "Garden"; the Garden that the Righteous dwell in after the Judgment of Souls.

Why would Jesus be using a Zoroastrian word such as "Paradise"?

The answer is simple: because HE WAS A ZOROASTRIAN!

Jesus condemned the Pharisees for hypocrisy, but He was one Himself. He was a Nazarene; which was a sect of Essenes that married. The term "Nazarene" means "Keepers of the Secrets". They were "keepers" of the secrets of the Magoi of Babylon.

What were the "Secrets of the Magoi"? I can't tell you...it's a secret. Very few on earth today know. It is not something shared with just anyone out of curiosity.

Now, many Christians believe today that all "Magick" is evil! Their pastors tell them that.

Yet, the Magoi (Magusseans) practiced "Magick". That is how they were able to heal, and how they could interpret the stars, and interpret dreams!

Were the Magoi "evil"? Were they "evil" occultists?

Remember, it was three Magoi ("Magusseans" in Aramaic), from Babylon, who followed the comet to Judea, and worshipped Jesus, and offered Him gifts.

Why would evil occultists offer gifts to Jesus? Why would a prophet of God (Daniel) agree to become their "Chief"?

Think about that.

Maybe the Magoi were not "evil occultists" after all? Maybe they were good, wise, and inspired men? Maybe their religion was the TRUE RELIGION?

Think about it.

THE TRUE ORIGIN OF CHRISTIANITY "Christianity" began as a "sect" of Nazarenes who accepted Jesus as the "Christ". Not all the Nazarenes did. Most did not. But some did. The Nazarenes who did not accept Jesus as the Christ later fled to Iraq, and are known today as the Mandaeans.

The Nazarenes were a "sect" of the Essenes who married. The Essenes were a "sect" of Pharisees who were celebate; like the Magusseans (Magoi). The Pharisees were a "sect" of the Jews who followed the "Persian" religion; called the "Good Religion" or (since the 1850s) "Zoroastrianism".

All "Christian" roads come back to one man: ZOROASTER.

But, in the year 150 A.D., the Catholic Church excommunicated the family of Jesus (the descendants of his brothers and sisters). Thus, the "link" was broken, and the "connection" of Jesus to the Good Religion was simply forgotten!

Christianity forgot its spiritual roots!

The "Three Wise Men" were turned from Zoroastrian magavan into three "kings" or "astrologers". The truth about the true origins of Christianity...were forgotten!

One could look at it like this:

*Jesus is the "father" of Christianity.

*The Nazarene sect was the "father" of Jesus.

*The Essene sect was the "father" of the Nazarenes.

*The Magussean sect was the "father" of the Essenes.

*The Good Religion was the "father" of the Magussean sect.

That would make the Good Religion of Zoroaster the Great-Great-Great Grand-Father of Christianity!

All roads lead back to the Good Religion!

You simply cannot separate "Christianity" from the "Good Religion". Had there been no "Good Religion" there would be no "Christianity". Why? Because the Good Religion introduced Jews to the following concepts: *Virgin-born Saviors

*The Messiah (Cyrus) would return and save Israel.

*Resurrection of the Dead

*Final Judgment of souls.

No Good Religion=No Christianity.

THE TRUE ORIGIN OF JUDAISM

In fact, if there was no Good Religion, there would be no Judaism as we know it today! That is true because the religion called "Judaism" is based upon the Pharisee ("Persian") sect; which was created first in Babylon, during the Babylonian Captivity, when the Jews first met the Mazdayasni (Zoroastrians), who told the Jews about Paradise, and Hell-fire, and Guardian angels, and the Resurrection, and the Judgment of souls, and the World-To-Come.

The religion we call "Judaism" today is NOT the religion of the Sadducees. They did not believe in any afterlife; neither in an immortal soul. They believed in the Books of Moses only; which did not promise anyone any Paradise, nor threaten anyone with Hell-fire. The Books of Moses merely said:

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That is all! That is the essence of the religion of Israel before the Babylonian Captivity (circa 600-530 B.C.).

Judaism today is based upon the Pharisee sect, and the Pharisee sect was created first in Babylon, about 540 B.C., among Jews who believed in the Good Religion, and became known as "Persians" (Farsi/Farooshiym/Pharisees).

"Christianity" therefore, is simply a "sect" of the Good Religion; one that that accepts Jesus of Nazareth as the Messiah and the virgin-born Savior of Jews and Gentiles alike.

THE TRUE ORIGIN OF ISLAAM

Let us not forget Islaam! It began in 610 A.D. when a "man" appeared to Muhammad inside a cave near Mecca and shouted three times "Recite!" This "man" taught Muhammad 144 poems that were later compiled into "The Recital" (Arabic: Al-Qu'ran); which is the Holy Book of Islaam. Muhammad called the "man" who taught him the Qu'ran "Jabril"; from the Hebrew "Gabr-i-El" ("Man of God").


Jabril (with wings) appears to Muhammad (faceless)
According to Muhammad's own "sayings" Jabril was a "man". He never called him an "angel". He never described Jabril as anything other than a "man".

Who was this "man"? Muslims believe that this was not an ordinary man, but an Angel from God; even the Holy Spirit.

Zoroastrians believe that this "man" (Jabril) was a Zoroastrian holy man (magavan) who taught Muhammad the 144 poems that became known as the "Qu'ran"; which a billion Muslims today believe is the final and greatest Revelation of God to mankind.

In the Epistle of Sasan I (a Zoroastrian scripture) is foretells of Muhammad:

"From the Arabs a man will be born, and the crown and throne of the Persians will be overthrown. They will see a house of worship of Abraham without any idols in it. And they will capture the temples of fire [Zoroastrian temples]. The religious leader will be a man of eloquence [i.e. a poet], and his message will be well-connected [i.e. to the Good Religion]." (Epistle of Sasan I)

Jabril taught Muhammad to pray 5 times a day, prostrate upon the ground (a Zoroastrian ritual). Jabril taught Muhammad that the Righteous would inherit "Gardens" and the Wicked would dwell in Hell-fire (Zoroastrian teachings). Jabril taught Muhammad about the Day of Judgment; when all souls would cross a bridge, and their deeds would be weighed, and those with more good deeds than bad would walk across the Bridge into Paradise, and the souls of those whose bad deed outweighted their good deeds would fall into the Fire. All of these concepts come straight from the Good Religion!

Muslims do not believe that Jesus is the Son of Allah, because of verses in the Qur'an such as this:

4. Further, that He may warn those (also) who say, "Allah hath begotten a son":
5. No knowledge have they of such a thing, nor had their fathers. It is a grievous thing that issues from their mouths as a saying: What they say is nothing but falsehood!( Quran 18.4,5 )

Indeed, Jesus is NOT the Son of Allah!

Jesus is the Son of Ahura Mazda!

WHY WE ARE ZOROASTRIANS

Have you ever heard of the phrase, "Heard it from the horses' mouth"?

It means this: "I got my information FIRST-HAND, not from a second-hand or third-hand source".

In other words, the "First-Hand Source" is the best. If you heard something from the "FIRST-HAND SOURCE" then you know you are getting the most pure and correct information possible. If you get your information "second hand" or "third hand" or "forth hand" then you know that you are not getting your information PURE and uncorrupted.

In like manner, the true origin of Judaism, and Christianity, and Islaam is the GOOD RELIGION of Zoroaster. The Good Religion is the "First-Hand Source".

The three great "Judeo-Christian" religions (Judaism/Christianity/Islaam) are simply three "sects" of the Good Religion; founded by Zoroaster in Bactria about 1737 B.C.

Zoroastrians feel that the closer one is to the Original Religion of the Supreme Being (the Good Religion), the closer one is to the TRUTH.

The Good Religion is the original Revelation of the Supreme Being to mankind. It is the "Father" of Judaism, Christianity, and Islaam.

If Christianity is true, then the Good Religion cannot be false; because Christianity is really merely a "sect" of the Good Religion.

JEHOVAH IS NOT HEAVENLY FATHER!

The Jew and Christian and Muslim may object and say that God first revealed Himself to Abraham; who probably lived a little before Zoroaster.

But, Jehovah is NOT the Supreme Being!

The being we know today as "Jehovah"--the "God" of Israel, is not Ahura Mazda ("Supreme-Being Infinitely-Wise"). The Bible does NOT say that Jehovah created the heavens and the Earth!

The Bible says that the ELOHIYM created the heavens and the earth! The Being we know today as "Jehovah" (YHWH in Hebrew) is NOT the Supreme Being. Jehovah is the "God" of the Israelites. He is not all-knowing, not all-seeking.

The ELOHIYM ("Mighty Ones"--plural) created the heavens and the earth. Jehovah is among Them. He is one of Them. But he is NOT the "Supreme Being".

In the Good Religion there are the following heavenly beings:

AHURA MAZDA ("Supreme Being Infinitely Wise")
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The Six Amenda Spentas ("Only Immortals")
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The Yazatas ("Worthy Ones")
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Fravashis (Guardian Angels)

The Being we know as "Jehovah" (YHWH in Hebrew Bibles whose name is never to supposed to be pronounced) is one of the Yazatas! He is the Guardian Spirit of the Sun.

The ELOHIYM ("Mighty Ones") is plural. It literally means "Mighty Ones". The Mighty Ones created the Heavens and the Earth. Science says that the planets were created by the Stars. Our Sun is one of them.


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According to the Good Religion, each Star has a Guardian Spirit called a Yazata


The ELOHIYM are the stars--the "Mighty Ones".

But none of Them is the "Supreme Being".

Some scientists even today are beginning to talk about the "intelligence" of the Sun, but in hushed tones.

THE TRUE IDENTITY OF JEHOVAH

When Jesus prayed "Our Father Who art in Heaven" He was NOT praying to Jehovah, the God of the Israelites! The Jews never thought of Jehovah as "Our Father". They called him "Adon" (translated as "Lord").

The Hebrew word "ADON" comes from the Syrian word "ADON"; who was the Sun-God. His Greek name was Adonis or Apollo.

The Syrian word "ADON" comes from the ancient Egyptian word ATEN; which meant the God of the Sun, or the God that lived in the Sun. The earliest known worshipper of ATEN was Ankhenaten, king of Egypt.


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Ankhenaten worships Aten, the God who dwells in the Sun

The Good Religion teaches that each star, including the Sun, has a Guardian Spirit. The Guardian Spirit of the Sun is called "Aten" in Egyptian or "Adon" in Hebrew. Aten is not the "Supreme Being" but rather the "Guardian Spirit" of this solar system. He is one of the Yazatas (Elohiym). The Elohiym are NOT Supreme Beings! They are powerful Guardian Spirits, but none of them are All-Seeing as is Ahura Mazda! It is the Elohiym that "create" the planets. Even scientists will tell you that the Suns create the planets. The light of the Sun causes the oceans and skies to form, and life to begin.

The Guardian Spirit of the Sun dwell inside the Sun, and this is why Jehovah is said to have "made His tabernacle [dwelling place] the Sun". Read:

"He hath set His tabernacle in the sun: and He as a bridegroom coming out of His bedchamber." --Psalms xviii. 6.

In the Septuagint (Greek New Testament) version of the Book of Pslams (accepted as the Word of God by the ancient Christians), Jehovah is said to dwell in the Sun:

5 Their voice is gone out into all the earth, and their words to the ends of the world. In the sun he has set his tabernacle;[in the original Hebrew it says literally "Inside the Sun He has pitched His tent"] 6 and he comes forth as a bridegroom out of his chamber: he will exult as a giant to run his course." (Septuagint: Psalms 18:5-6)

In the 5th century St. Jerome translated the Septuagint (Greek Old Testament) into Latin, called the Vulgate. He MIStranslated Psalms 18 to read: "He set a tabernacle for the Sun". It's wrong! All Greek Bible scholars know that. That was not his only mistranslation! His mistranslation has continued in other translations; including English Bibles.

The ancient Hindu Seers, called "Rishis" (Sanskrit: "Seers/visionaries") also believed the same. The Chandogya Upanishad says:

"Sun is God, it is the command of the great Rishis, they teach us to believe that God dwells in the Sun." (Chandogya Upanishad 19:1)

"I am the Being who dwells in the Sun." (Vajurveda 40:15)

It says in the Bible:

"Our God is a consuming fire!" (Heb. 12:29)

"God is light" (1 John 1:5)

In the Book of Malachi, Jehovah is called "the Sun of Righteousness" who comes "with healing in his wings".

The ancient Egyptians worshipped RA, the Sun-God, with this symbol:

It was Ankhenaten who first realized (somehow) that Ra is not the Sun, but rather the Aten who dwells inside the Sun. The Sun was merely the "tabernacle" or tent of Aten.

A more ancient name for Aten was Ra, or Amun-Ra. RA was also called Amun-Ra. Amun means "He whose name is hidden". Amun-Ra had a "secret name" that only the high priests of Amum-Ra were allowed to pronounce. If you did not correctly pronounce the secret name of Amun (Amon-Ra), then the god would not hear you.

When "God" appears to Jacob (Israel) and wrestles with him, Jacob asks what his name is. And "God" replies:

secret

Compare that to what Amon-Ra (the Egyptian Sun-god) says:

"I am the One Whose name is secret." (The Egyptian Book of the Dead, chapter 7)

In Jews are forbidden to even TRY to pronounce the name of God, whose letters in the Hebrew Bible are YWHW (often pronounced as "Yehweh" or "Jehovah"--but these are not correct pronunciations). Instead of even trying to pronounce the name, Jews refer to God as:

"The Name"

"Adonoi" ("our Adon")

etc.

Only the Jewish High Priest was taught the correct pronunciation, and he had to keep that secret.

Jehovah in the Bible is called "the Rider upon the clouds" or "rider upon a swift cloud" (Psalms 68:5, Isaiah 19:1; 2 Samuel 22:11, Psalms 18:11).

What is the meaning?

When the Sun is obscured by clouds, it "appears" that the Sun is "riding" the clouds:


The Sun appears to "ride" the clouds

According to the Egyptian priest and historian Manetho, Moses was a high priest of Amon-Ra (the Sun-God), and learned the secret pronunciation of the secret name of Amon-Ra (YHWH), and that is why he had the power to part the Red Sea and do other miraculous deeds.

These are hymns to Amon-Ra:

"Hail to Thee, Amon-Ra, the greatest in the sky.
O Amon-Ra master of the horizon!
O Thou art beautiful, Thou shinest with slendours.
Thou art risen in the sky,
Thou has crossed the celestial waters,
Thou art seen with the stars." (Egyptian Book of the Dead, chapter 15)

This "god" is not all-powerful, nor all-knowing! He cannot be the Supreme Being of the Cosmos!

The God of the Bible, Jehovah, is NOT presented as "All-Seeing" nor "All-Powerful" nor "All-Present". Jehovah is presented in the Book of Psalms (in the original Greek translation of Psalms) as dwelling "in" the Sun (literally: "El pitched His tent in the Sun").


Epimenedes (600 B.C.)

The ancient prophet of Crete, Epimenedes, one day noticed that his fellow Cretans were building a tomb for Apollo; the Sun-God. The Cretans thought that Apollo "died" every night and went to the Underworld, then was re-born every morning. So, they built the Sun-God a tomb to dwell in at night.

Epimenedes (who was known as a worker of miracles), saw this, and wrote a poem called Cretica in which he chastises the Cretans for building Apollo a tomb:

"They fashioned a tomb for thee, O holy and high one— The Cretans, always liars, evil beasts, idle bellies!
But thou art not dead: thou livest and abidest forever,
For in thee we live and move and have our being. (Cretica)

Epimenides was saying, "You stupid Cretans! You don't need to build him a tomb! Apollo does not die at night! He does not go to the Underworld at night! He lives forever. We live in his light and because of his light and have our lives because of him!"

The Apostle Paul, after he becomes a Christian, quotes from this poem several times, and uses Epimenides' tribute to Apollo to refer to Jehovah:

12 One of themselves, even a prophet of their own said, The Cretans are always liars and beasts, slow bellies.
13 This witness [Epimenedes] is true. (Titus 1:12-13)

28 For in him [Jehovah] we live, and move, and have our being..." (Acts 17:28)

In Titus Paul quotes Epimenedes, calling him a "prophet" and in Acts, Paul is quoting Epimenedes hymn to Apollo (the Sun-God) as applying to the God of Israel!

Why would Paul use a poem to the Sun-God in reference to Jehovah if Jehovah was NOT the Sun-God?

What more proof do you need? Jehovah is the Sun-God, or, in the Good Religion, he is the Guardian Spirit that dwells in the Sun. He is one of the Yazatas (Elohiym). Each star has a Guardian Spirit (Yazata), and how many stars are there?

Each and every human being also has a Guardian Spirit of a much lesser rank called a Fravashi. When we pray to "God" it is our Fravashi that actually hears us, and records our good and bad deeds.

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A Fravashi (guardian spirit). This is the being that hears our prayers, and records our good and bad deeds.

To the ancient Israelites, the God of Israel is "EYL" (Hebrew: "Mighty One"), and is NOT the Supreme Being, but is one of the ELOHIYM ("Mighty Ones") whose dwelling place was the Sun, was the "Rider upon the clouds".

Jehovah has power over living things, but not over those who have died. That is why Jesus said:

"God [Eyl] is a God of the living, not of the dead." (Matt. ?????)

This is why Jehovah-Eyl could NOT promise Israel any Paradise or threaten them with Hell-fire; because these things don't exist on the physical plane.

When Jesus commanded His disciples to pray: "Our Heavenly Father, holy be Thy name" He was NOT referring to Jehovah! At no time did the Israelites consider Jehovah to be their "Father". He was refering to Ahura Mazda, who is often called "Father" in the Zoroastrian scriptures.

Remember...Jesus was a RABBI; a term only the Pharisees (including the Nazarenes) employed! He was a "Persian" Jew; meaning a Jew who followed the "Persian" religion (i.e. the Good Religion of Zoroaster).

Heavenly Father is NOT Jehovah! Jehovah is the Guardian Spirit of the Sun (and also this solar system). The Heavenly Father is AHURA MAZDA--

AHU(Being)RA(Supreme) MAZ(Wise)DA(To the Utmost/Infinitely)

Jehovah gets angry, repents, changes his mind, is NOT all-knowing, commands entire peoples (men, women, and children) to be "utterly destroyed" (such as the Canaanites, and Ammonites). He is an "angry god" and a "jealous god".

Jehovah is Allah, the God of Islaam; He Who has NOT begotten any Son.

Ahura Mazda, on the other hands, is All-Knowing, All-Seeing, ultimately loving and kind!

Ahura Mazda is our Father in Heaven.

INVITATION TO ALL SEEKERS OF TRUTH

The Good Religion (Behi-Deen) is the original Revelation of the Supreme Being (Ahura Mazda) to mankind!

The Good Religion is the pure and unadulterated source of Judaism, Christianity, and Islaam.

The great Jewish sage Hillel the Great was a Pharisee; a Jew who followered the "Persian" religion.

Jesus of Nazareth, the virgin-born Savior, was one of the three promised Saoyoshants of Zoroaster.

The prophet Muhammad was taught the Qur'an by Jabril, who was a Magussean; a follower of the Good Religion.

All monotheistic religions lead back to one Messenger....

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Awsho Zarathustra Spitaman

We invite all Seekers of Truth to learn the Good Religion; the original and unadulterated Revelation of the Supreme Being to mankind.

Thank you.

Darrick Evenson

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Scripture is crystal clear one life so don't blow it

Scripture is crystal clear on reincarnation, as John the Baptist was the reincarnation of Elijah.


but you see Elijah like Enoch did not die

Scripture says God took them



And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment, - Hebrews 9:27

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1 The first person to be called christ in the bible was not Jesus but Cyrus
http://www.biblestudytools.com/wyc/isaiah/45.html (The Lord saith these things to my christ, Cyrus, whose right hand I took...)




the Creator is the God of all

and then we got that created chief cherub copycating God the Creator

manifesting himself and twisting God's truths to poor souls

and so we got this religious mess



king David lived long before king Cyrus and was also anointed by God

the priests in the Temple in Jerusalem were also anointed

so the general meaning of anointed is approved by God


so also Jesus was anointed and approved by God

and His message is there for all to read and He still manifests to those who seek Him today


but this window of opportunity is closing

for the age is about to end


can't you see it collapsing all around you ?

[9eagle9]

That's what my Southern Baptist family says when people die: God took them.

Redezra if it makes you feel better I'm a sinner, I will die, someone or something will judge me and I will dwell eternally in a fiery pit.

Happy now?

[RedeZra]

That's what my Southern Baptist family says when people die: God took them.

Redezra if it makes you feel better I'm a sinner, I will die, someone or something will judge me and I will dwell eternally in a fiery pit.

Happy now?


no i'm not happy about that

we would probably all end up in the pit if not for Jesus

so why not grab unto that rope repent and sin no more

[9eagle9]

Because I'd have to spend eternity with you.

[Chester]

He/She (I cannot assume gender) appeared to be one of those fundamentalist, holy rollers... but the more I have read her/his posts, I have seen a really good hearted person with absolutely only good intentions. I also noticed we would attack him/her at times (I have certainly done this though I tried to be diplomatic), and instead of reacting in kind, RedeZra came back with a kind post. I like RedeZra a lot and wished I knew him/her in the flesh. Thanks RedZra for posting on this thread.

I do have to make one observation though... the poster name - RedeZra ... RedeZ...ra Horus-Ra

I tend to see strange things like that (they can be sneaky devils hey mate?)


tnx and i'm just one man too

and Ezra was an Old Testament scribe who returned from the Babylonian exile and reintroduced the Torah or God's instruction in Jerusalem


i'm trying to figure out the purpose of life

and i can't ignore the thousands of testimonies from people all over the world about Jesus

it is always Jesus healing protecting giving forgiving and so many testify to that


so i'm not going to ignore these reports

but include them in my investigation into truth


either most of you are ignorant of these testimonies about Jesus or you just ignore them

condemning without investigation


and that makes you... ?

Hi RedeZra, I live in Texas and have heard hundreds of testimonies over the course of my life about Jesus the Savior. I see those folks as under the influence of the archons. That's how they appear to me... influenced. Testimony still does not prove anything, especially when I see these same folks justifying outrages conclusions against those who do not accept Jesus as the only way to salvation (if someone even needs that).

My concerns are that archontic forces are what makes "saviors" and what influences those who buy into "saviors."

My creator does not make a being that then has to be saved from some other being created by my same creator and saved by a third being made by my same creator.

That is ludicrous to me. My creator gives me all I need to decide for myself if I live in fear or not and to decide for myself the value of being genuine and self validating.

I see our world under the influence of a parasitic structure that attacks through our perceived reality, through extra dimensional beings, through extraterrestrial beings, through humans who consciously align with this structure and through the innocent human beings who allow these forces to influence their thoughts and actions.

I see that if we awaken to this possibility and reclaim our souls (each done individually) that if/when enough of us do this, our collective consciousness can begin to manifest a more sane reality. I ask of my creator to give me the strength to do my part. I often feel that strength within my spirit mind and body. I do my best every day (now that I am aware of what has been a problem here on earth and what has been revealed since ancient times and well before Jesus was here) to be the change I hope to see.

[RedeZra]

Because I'd have to spend eternity with you.

lol good one

i promise to leave you alone in paradise

now you got no excuse ; )

[RedeZra]

My creator does not make a being that then has to be saved from some other segment of my creator's creation. That is ludicrous to me. My creator gives me all I need to decide for myself if I live in fear or not and to decide for myself the value of being genuine and self validating.


someone said it good...

he is no fool who gives up what he is going to loose anyway

to gain something that can never be taken from him


God gave us some instructions on how to live in this world

which we will have to leave sooner or later

the Ten Commandments


when we follow the Ten Commandments and the words of Jesus

then we are considered righteous by God and worthy of eternal life


if we break the Ten Commandments then we just have to go to Jesus and receive our forgiveness


look i did not make the rules

God the Creator did

[Houman]

1 The first person to be called christ in the bible was not Jesus but Cyrus
http://www.biblestudytools.com/wyc/isaiah/45.html (The Lord saith these things to my christ, Cyrus, whose right hand I took...)




the Creator is the God of all

and then we got that created chief cherub copycating God the Creator

manifesting himself and twisting God's truths to poor souls

and so we got this religious mess



king David lived long before king Cyrus and was also anointed by God

the priests in the Temple in Jerusalem were also anointed

so the general meaning of anointed is approved by God


so also Jesus was anointed and approved by God

and His message is there for all to read and He still manifests to those who seek Him today


but this window of opportunity is closing

for the age is about to end


can't you see it collapsing all around you ?


I was referring to the "christ" concept not to the "anointed" one, the notion of a "universal savior" appears to have its origin in "Zoroastrianism"...

and it is also not clear to me that the bible mentions only one "god"... (and that the one mentioned in the torah was originally the same as the "god" of Christianity)

...the whole subject is extremely confusing because humans have been manipulated for eons through their belief systems, their libraries have been burnt, heretics have been burnt at the stake or wiped out (cathars, etc...), and their records distorted... so it would not "hurt" to investigate the origins of these concepts...

Houman

PS: I am surprised that all the links to all the imbedded images of my previous post got broken in only a couple of hours...

[Chester]

My creator does not make a being that then has to be saved from some other segment of my creator's creation. That is ludicrous to me. My creator gives me all I need to decide for myself if I live in fear or not and to decide for myself the value of being genuine and self validating.



someone said it good...

he is no fool who gives up what he is going to loose anyway

to gain something that can never be taken from him


God gave us some instructions on how to live in this world

which we will have to leave sooner or later

the Ten Commandments


when we follow the Ten Commandments and the words of Jesus

then we are considered righteous by God and worthy of eternal life


if we break the Ten Commandments then we just have to go to Jesus and receive our forgiveness


look i did not make the rules

God the Creator did

God the creator made only one rule - there are no rules

[RedeZra]

look i did not make the rules

God the Creator did

God the creator made only one rule - there are no rules


do what thou wilt

is not from God but satan

[kreagle]

This is an appeal to pure cowardice. It has absolutely nothing to do with the search for truth. Instead, it’s an appeal to abandon honesty and intellectual integrity, and to pretend that lip service is the same thing as actual belief. If the patriarchal God of Christianity really exists, one wonders how it would judge the cowards and hypocrites who advance and bow to this particularly craven.
Jesus was, and is,.....more than a man!

Jesus was, and is,.....more than an Archon!!

and by no means is "this",.......inspired by Houman's Horus-Ra thread!!!


Opinions and theories seem to be "very diverse" on this extremely important topic!

Was He a "man" at one time?,.....the Scriptures certainly say that He was!,...but "also" that He was much, much more than that!

1 Timothy 3:16
King James Version (KJV)

16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Who was "this One" that was,.....manifest in the flesh,.....justified in the Spirit,....seen of angels,.....preached unto the Gentiles,.....believed on in the world,...and then,.....received up into glory?,.......the Scripture says,......JESUS!! (note: this Scripture, along with many others, is giving us all a "very strong hint" that He was certainly "more than a man"!) (hint:.....I believe "IT" called Him God,.....didn't "IT"?)

Was He an Archon?,....let's look, first, at what Merriam-Webster says about "archon"

ar·chon noun \ˈär-ˌkän, -kən\
Definition of ARCHON
1: a chief magistrate in ancient Athens
2: a presiding officer
3: any ruler

(note: in all "3" definitions above,.....Jesus surpassed these "roles" by a land-slide,....as fully indicated by the Scriptures,....once again!!)

1 Timothy 6:14-16
King James Version (KJV)

14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:

15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;

16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Folks, the above referenced Scripture contains no typo-graphical errors, in that it plainly tells us, correctly, that Jesus will one day,....once and for all,....show the entire World that He is the....."only Potentate",....the King of kings,.....and the Lord of lords.

"Only" means "one" and "one, alone". It, at no time, has indicated a "plurality", regarding specifically a "plurality of Deities."

Once again, Merriam-Webster reveals,......

po·ten·tate noun \ˈpō-tən-ˌtāt\
Definition of POTENTATE
: ruler, sovereign; broadly : one who wields great power or sway

(note: If He is the "only" Potentate,.....the "only" one who wields great power or sway,....I ask you,....is the Bible not, once again, giving us all "another great hint", at just "who" this JESUS was, in actuality?)

Jesus was, and is,........more than a man!
Jesus was, and is,........more than an Archon!!!

Do you know "who" this Jesus really was,.....and is today?

.......to be continued,......


Love and Peace,........kreagle This reads as fear-inducing threats to inspire.

Davy,

(your quote)

It has absolutely nothing to do with the search for truth.

(Jesus' quote)

John 14:5-7
King James Version (KJV)

5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?

6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him

"His Word",.....will stand the test of time.

I "strongly advise you" to take a careful and profound look at your "current" stance!

It clearly appears that you ascribe to an "alternative belief/faith",....and,....that "this portion" of the Holy Scriptures "challenges" and/or negates your "belief system". This "observation" is only made, more clear, by your final quote.

(your quote)

This reads as fear-inducing threats to inspire.

The only "fear" that can be possibly "induced" from the "small portion of God's Word" that I've quoted from,....is the profound and direct statement we find in 1 Timothy 6:15.

1 Timothy 6:15
King James Version (KJV)

15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;

As "this passage of Scripture" points out,.....all "previous impostors" will have had their last day on the grand stage of humans hearts. Their lies and false hopes/ideas will have run their course. Center-stage will now belong to God,.....and God only!!!

And,...."yes",.......His name is,......JESUS!

"fear" can be a wonderful thing,.....not "fear",....as in "afraid",.....
.....................................but,............"fear",....as in "respect"!!!

It is certainly time,....past time,....to "fear"(respect),.....our Lord God, Jesus Christ!

Proverbs 1:7
King James Version (KJV)

7 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.

Don't be "foolish",.....my friend!


Love and Peace,......kreagle

[RedeZra]

king David lived long before king Cyrus and was also anointed by God

the priests in the Temple in Jerusalem were also anointed

so the general meaning of anointed is approved by God


so also Jesus was anointed and approved by God

and His message is there for all to read and He still manifests to those who seek Him today




I was referring to the "christ" concept not to the "anointed" one, the notion of a "universal savior" appears to have its origin in "Zoroastrianism"...




Christ means anointed

and comes from the New Testament Greek Christos

which is the same as the Old Testament Hebrew Mashiyach


so the passage in Isaiah 45 about Cyrus do not say Christ but Mashiyach

meaning anointed or approved by God


amar Yehovah mashiyach Kowresh - thus saith Yehovah to his anointed Cyrus


so Mashiyach or Christ means anointed or approved by God

it's just a title for someone with a specific purpose or mission from God


so God used king Cyrus to conquer Babylon and let the Jews go home

[Hervé]

I have to admit that the price of fish got lost somewhere in there...

Justoneman: thank you for bringing up that "sworn-by" subject of synchronicities as the controlling master manipulation!

Here is an excerpt from "Riding the wave" by Laura Knight Jadczyk:



I will say that some of the things you have found are fascinating and I am convinced that there is some purpose and reason, and maybe even your ultimate conclusions are correct - or pretty close... but there are some big gaps in the symbolic appreciation and historical background of same. There are many things to be gone over in a sort of "cold" and analytical way - even including this business of "synchronicity" that we both have experienced in this matter. This "amazing" confluence of "clues and artifacts" tends to convince us that our ideas are correct... but I have found that, often, the matter is much more complicated - like a chess game. Some of these "synchronous" events are like a move on the chess board by these "unknowns" and they are waiting to see if we will see through the ruse... We can either make the mistake of "falling into the trap" of taking the piece "offered" while we are being set up for a swift and stunning mate. NEVER underestimate the cleverness and cunning of the opponent.

Your ideas are framed in much the same terms as the guys who wrote the Holy Grail series and the guy who wrote the Tomb of God... in the sense that all sorts of "synchronous" and "amazing" correspondences were found in response to the various ideas had by all. This should be taken as a warning that it can occur to just about anybody. All of you were convinced that you were "on the right track" because of these things... don't forget that. They, as sincerely as yourself, were convinced of the "rightness" of their "path" and conclusions because of the SAME TYPES OF REMARKABLE SYNCHRONICITIES!!!!

Remember - NEVER FORGET - that the opponent wants us to come to false conclusions... And never forget that he/they are so much more clever and practiced at this deception that we can even imagine. This is NOT a secret of a couple hundred years duration. It is THOUSANDS of years old...


The culprits of such orchestrations... Lizzies.

This one for the pulpit preachers:



But, getting back to the Bible for just a moment: in my reading of years past, I came across several passages that really struck me as curious, considering their "origins." The first is, of course, one that I quote frequently from the Book of Romans in the New Testament. It is generally attributed to Paul, and actually has been computer analyzed and the result of this analysis was that whoever wrote the book of Romans, also wrote the two epistles to the Corinthians as well as the epistle to the Galatians. Internal evidence from these documents indicates that they were written before 70 A.D., probably close to 60 or even 40 A.D. That is to say, they were written BEFORE the Gospels.

These epistles make no allusions to Jesus as a historical figure as depicted in the Gospels. They say absolutely nothing about the parents of Jesus, the virgin birth, a time or place of earthly existence, a trial before the Romans, an execution in Jerusalem, or any of the main characters of the "Jesus story," with the exception of Peter who is referred to as a hypocrite by Paul. If there had been a real incident such as the denial of Jesus by Peter, it is fairly certain that Paul would have brought it up and used it in his "flame war" against "the Rock of the Church." When Paul DOES refer to Jesus' death, he says repeatedly that he was "crucified" or "delivered up" but NEVER that he was killed! And, we know from many ancient sources that to be "crucified" meant an initiatory event rather than being nailed to a wooden cross and dying in a physical sense.

[Houman]

king David lived long before king Cyrus and was also anointed by God

the priests in the Temple in Jerusalem were also anointed

so the general meaning of anointed is approved by God


so also Jesus was anointed and approved by God

and His message is there for all to read and He still manifests to those who seek Him today




I was referring to the "christ" concept not to the "anointed" one, the notion of a "universal savior" appears to have its origin in "Zoroastrianism"...




Christ means anointed

and comes from the New Testament Greek Christos

which is the same as the Old Testament Hebrew Mashiyach


so the passage in Isaiah 45 about Cyrus do not say Christ but Mashiyach

meaning anointed or approved by God


amar Yehovah mashiyach Kowresh - thus saith Yehovah to his anointed Cyrus


so Mashiyach or Christ means anointed or approved by God

it's just a title for someone with a specific purpose or mission from God

from http://www.heavenlyascents.com/2009/11/07/professor-john-f-hall-notes-from-the-temple-studies-symposium-iii/

The Anointing of the Gods: Sanctification and Authority from Egyptian Pharaohs to Hebrew Priest Kings and Beyond

presentation by Dr. John F. Hall

http://www.heavenlyascents.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/anointing.JPG

...
Ritual anointing with sacred oil is documented as fulfilling an important role in the religious ceremonial of Egypt. From Pyramid texts of the early third millenium B.C.E., to Gnostic documents of the Christian era found at Nag Hammadi, anointing can be shown to provide sanctification and give authorization for ascent to the gods and inclusion in their company.
...

[RedeZra]

Ritual anointing with sacred oil is documented as fulfilling an important role in the religious ceremonial of Egypt. From Pyramid texts of the early third millenium B.C.E., to Gnostic documents of the Christian era found at Nag Hammadi, anointing can be shown to provide sanctification and give authorization for ascent to the gods and inclusion in their company.
...

perhaps the Egyptians picked up the ritual of anointing from Joseph son of Israel

but i suspect satan is a big copycat of God

it's just that he twists truths

[GoingOn]

<snip>
perhaps the Egyptians picked up the ritual of anointing from Joseph son of Israel

but i suspect satan is a big copycat of God

it's just that he twists truths

RedeZra, would you be willing to participate in a new thread, to discuss some of your thoughts? While I may bore you to tears, I suspect I would enjoy the discussion :)

It just seems to me that what I'm interested in (such as the statements I've quoted here) are not 100% in alignment with the original purpose of this thread. I make lots of mistakes and am open to being corrected on this.

[RedeZra]

This one for the pulpit preachers:



But, getting back to the Bible for just a moment: in my reading of years past, I came across several passages that really struck me as curious, considering their "origins." The first is, of course, one that I quote frequently from the Book of Romans in the New Testament. It is generally attributed to Paul, and actually has been computer analyzed and the result of this analysis was that whoever wrote the book of Romans, also wrote the two epistles to the Corinthians as well as the epistle to the Galatians. Internal evidence from these documents indicates that they were written before 70 A.D., probably close to 60 or even 40 A.D. That is to say, they were written BEFORE the Gospels.

These epistles make no allusions to Jesus as a historical figure as depicted in the Gospels. They say absolutely nothing about the parents of Jesus, the virgin birth, a time or place of earthly existence, a trial before the Romans, an execution in Jerusalem, or any of the main characters of the "Jesus story," with the exception of Peter who is referred to as a hypocrite by Paul. If there had been a real incident such as the denial of Jesus by Peter, it is fairly certain that Paul would have brought it up and used it in his "flame war" against "the Rock of the Church." When Paul DOES refer to Jesus' death, he says repeatedly that he was "crucified" or "delivered up" but NEVER that he was killed! And, we know from many ancient sources that to be "crucified" meant an initiatory event rather than being nailed to a wooden cross and dying in a physical sense.


so Laura Knight Jadczyk chips in her two cents

tnx so much ; )

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<snip>
perhaps the Egyptians picked up the ritual of anointing from Joseph son of Israel

but i suspect satan is a big copycat of God

it's just that he twists truths

RedeZra, would you be willing to participate in a new thread, to discuss some of your thoughts? While I may bore you to tears, I suspect I would enjoy the discussion :)

It just seems to me that what I'm interested in (such as the statements I've quoted here) are not 100% in alignment with the original purpose of this thread. I make lots of mistakes and am open to being corrected on this.


sure go to my Bible thread in the spiritual section ; )

[Houman]

The culprits of such orchestrations... Lizzies.


One of the first "religious" texts (still available) to mention these beings appear to be the Vedic texts (they are called Nagas)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/47/Patanjali.jpg/220px-Patanjali.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a6/Buddha_Park_Nagas.JPG

http://magiedubouddha.com/images/prod/naga/nagastatue3.jpg

http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/features/10-10/nagas2.jpg

[Houman]

Ritual anointing with sacred oil is documented as fulfilling an important role in the religious ceremonial of Egypt. From Pyramid texts of the early third millenium B.C.E., to Gnostic documents of the Christian era found at Nag Hammadi, anointing can be shown to provide sanctification and give authorization for ascent to the gods and inclusion in their company.
...

perhaps the Egyptians picked up the ritual of anointing from Joseph son of Israel

but i suspect satan is a big copycat of God

it's just that he twists truths

The other explanation would be that modern day Christianity is the result of a Syncretism (as perhaps Judaism was)...

from http://jdstone.org/cr/files/mithraschristianity.html (see also http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/mithraism.html)


"Mithras was born in a cave, on December 25th, of a virgin mother. He came from heaven to be born as a man, to redeem men from their sin. He was know as "Savior," "Son of God," "Redeemer," and "Lamb of God." With twelve disciples he traveled far and wide as a teacher and illuminator of men. He was buried in a tomb from which he rose again from the dead -- an event celebrated yearly with much rejoicing. His followers kept the Sabbath holy, holding sacramental feasts in remembrance of Him. The sacred meal of bread and water, or bread and wine, was symbolic of the body and blood of the sacred bull.
"

1) Hundreds of years before Jesus, according to the Mithraic religion, three Wise Men of Persia came to visit the baby savior-god Mithra, bring him gifts of gold, myrrh and frankincense.

2) Mithra was born on December 25 as told in the “Great Religions of the World”, page 330; “…it was the winter solstice celebrated by ancients as the birthday of Mithraism’s sun god”.

3) According to Mithraism, before Mithra died on a cross, he celebrated a “Last Supper with his twelve disciples, who represented the twelve signs of the zodiac.

4) After the death of Mithra, his body was laid to rest in a rock tomb.

5) Mithra had a celibate priesthood.

6) Mithra ascended into heaven during the spring (Passover) equinox (the time when the sun crosses the equator making night and day of equal length).


====

“During the 1st century BC, a cult of Mithra, made much progress in Rome, after enduring persecution, when some Emperors adopted the religion... Mithra became very popular among the Roman legionaries and later even among the Emperors. The worship of Mithra was first recognized by Emperor Aurelian and he instituted the cult of "Sol Invictus" or the Invincible Sun. Emperor Diocletian also a worshipper of Mithra, the Sun God, burned much of the Christian scriptures in 307 A.D.

This enabled Emperor Constantine to merge the cult of Mithra with that of Christianity that was developing much. He declared himself a Christian but at the same time maintained his ties to the Mithra cult. He retained the title "Pontifus Maximus" the high priest. On his coins were inscribed: "Sol Invicto comiti" which means, commited to the invincible sun.

http://www.constantinethegreatcoins.com/asst3/soli32.jpeg

This new blend of the two faiths, he officially proclaimed as Christianity. Christianity spread all over the Roman Empire and Eastern Europe by massive persecution and brought an end to a variety of religions that flourished there. [...]

Until the fourth century, Mithra and Christianity were distinct but after Constantine, the two cults were blended to form the new faith that was to conquer most of the world.”

[RedeZra]

"Mithras was born in a cave, on December 25th, of a virgin mother. He came from heaven to be born as a man, to redeem men from their sin. He was know as "Savior," "Son of God," "Redeemer," and "Lamb of God." With twelve disciples he traveled far and wide as a teacher and illuminator of men. He was buried in a tomb from which he rose again from the dead -- an event celebrated yearly with much rejoicing. His followers kept the Sabbath holy, holding sacramental feasts in remembrance of Him. The sacred meal of bread and water, or bread and wine, was symbolic of the body and blood of the sacred bull.
"



Mithras (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mithras)was big in Rome

but it was a not well known underground cult complete with initiation rituals grades and secret handshake


Jesus was not born December 25th

but all the sungods were said to be born on the winter solstice


Mithras might be from Zoroaster and is just another god and no Jesus ; )

[9eagle9]

I'm in paradise now and you're still here.

[RedeZra]

I'm in paradise now and you're still here.

no avalon is not paradise

but i can take break ; )

[9eagle9]

Lol..the Kingdom of God is all about us, save for Avalon right?

I'm pretty sure you could take a break but I'm pretty sure you won't. Programs are like energizer bunnies, they just don't stop and their host can't make them stop.

[9eagle9]

In addition to Mithras cult we had the Zoroaster cult (also born of a virgin and immaculate conception and blah blah) .

Where the flesh become WORD (all programming is arranged around words--language).

Krishna of India (cut and paste Jesus story here for Krishna's back-story)

Osiris (Hourus) (cut and paste Jesus story here for Osiris back story)

Prometheus who was the Logos or the word who had a friend named Petrus (Peter) a fisherman who deserted him.

And many many others who have the same story or variants attached to them but are not as well known.

Buddha, Odin,Salivahana, Attis, Bacchus/ Dionysus

Quezalcoatl

(as a sampler if I listed them all you'd be reading all day)

then minor aspects that were scooped up and put into the blend Orpheus, Aesclepius,Issa,.

So all these people had the same story--a programming is running--Matrix program.. It just gets plastered onto the next 'messiah'. This not to say there wasn't anything unusual or ORIGIN-al about these people or that they were archons themselves. WHO-ever they were , became assimilated into a program.. Its to say the program had to be overlaid in order to blur what was actually occurring with them. Archonic energies can't Create --they can only re-create or replicate the program.

Anything that is Source related is a new experience, something authentic and original occurs ---what people call Miracles.

This is not new. It is obvious that Jesus story had a programmed overlay; his story is not new, nor does anything authentic or original occur in the Bible in relation to Jesus. It's just a repeat of another program --archonic programming.

That powers that be use archonic energies to rule the world. So the more we entrench in these programs instead of finding out the authenticity which is made known once you turn the program off.

These programs because they have an archonic entity attached to them don't like to be challenged, this how their reality stays in place. They anchor and attach through us we hold the space for their continued interference on this plane of reality. The moment the programs are challenged they go into disrupt mode--they do not understand anything outside of the program- so attempt to disrupt that challenge in various ways. Although evidence that something keeps happening over and over again is presented they cannot respond to the actuality but keep re-entrenching the program to get it to start playing again or at least to divert people's attention away from non-program related topics.

I don't care if you are talking about the price of a bag of potato chips if those driven under archonic energies perceive that discussion to be a threat to the program they have to to pop up and start soap boxing from the program script--SCRIPTures.

It's all in the word (logos). Programs are self evident.

Coincidentally we see this playing out in American politics as well. American politics and its governing bodies are loosely arranged around Christianity although in earliest developing days of the republic it was one nation under God (not Jesus or Christianity) but the slowly was assumed by Christianity that is never practiced but always brought up to crucify someone over the head with when they are not sticking to the program.

If there is a hint of blood sacrifice involved in any story you can be sure there's an archon attached to it. They are obsessed with blood (for various reasons--another topic). To say that archons have a vast interest in stem cells would not be too far out.

In watching archonic realms and their hierarchies they have their own evolution from being minorly pestersome to getting into the blood obsession where blood must be spilled. My own daughter uses to cut herself because of the archonic energies attached to her father, until I got her out of that environment.

Now we see a variant of the program playing out in the conservative and liberal parties of the US culminating in the Messiah (or president).

It's all a program and while the dresses and details of the mannequins involved changes (because archons can't change they can only repeat) it just appears that something new is occuring.

[ljwheat]

This thread has turned into crap. And all of us have shown how religion creates war, micro here -- macro in the world of lies and lies no one has the truth, there is no truth, only the universe, nature and the ( is ) humans have left themselves out of the equation by to much thinking and no breaks to stop it with. And so nature and the universe will continue to walk away from our noise. Bla bla bla bla bla.

Way do we have to cross over each others back yard fence anyway simply stay in your own back yard, and put your noses back in your pants were they belong. I’m sorry but you people love to here yourselves talk when no ones listening to you any way or will it change the color of your skin. Or mine. I still wipe my but the same way I learn years ago, and dammed if I’ll let anyone show me how to do it any different-- it’s my but and personal, wipe your own. Or shoot me in the next war your starting at the moment.

Who ever lays the sword down will live, it would be a better world if we were all deaf mutes :tape2: at this point, instead of intellectual idiots over meaningless words of what end you crack a stupid boiled egg from, methinks.

We are all looking like a bunch of ring ling circus clowns going on like this for thousands of years bla bla bla then it turns into shoot shoot die you infidel die. And if no one reads this --- its no different than a tree falling in the woods and no witness to it's fall anyway. And no one gets upset.

6 pages of pointlessness and growing still. Some one has to stop going after the pointless last word for war’s to end and to get back to breaking bread together.

Is anyone here still awake or have we all gone made, and fallen back into our old ways of blindness? rolling eye's and backing away, lets all have a nice day anyway> John XXX

[9eagle9]

It's pointless in regards to those who so programmed and mindlessly intent on spreading the infection.

For that one out of one thousand people who the ability to know it just an ongoing running charade they are certainly owed some support, some acknowledgement they aren't insane, or damned or sinners, but possessed of a capability of seeing through the wool that's been tossed over everyone eyes. That is by their choice not by ignorance.

I don't kid myself into thinking I can do something about those who spread the infection, the only thing I can do is assure people who see the infection they are not somehow morally incorrect for nailing the infection for what it is. Like they are some sort of monsters for refusing the virus that others willingly accept into themselves.

After all the **** imposed on them they are owed at least that much after all these thousands of years of empty promises.

So yes Wheat is IS ****.

It's ****. So we can ignore that its **** or we can look it in the eye and say Yep its ****. It won't change the fact that it is ****, you can't changed **** into wine, but people at least can know they can trust themselves and know they are correct in saying "No thanks' when a platter of **** is handed to them.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

The truth will get the last word.

It always does.

[Lettherebelight]

This thread has turned into crap. And all of us have shown how religion creates war, micro here -- macro in the world of lies and lies no one has the truth, there is no truth, only the universe, nature and the ( is ) humans have left themselves out of the equation by to much thinking and no breaks to stop it with. And so nature and the universe will continue to walk away from our noise. Bla bla bla bla bla.

Way do we have to cross over each others back yard fence anyway simply stay in your own back yard, and put your noses back in your pants were they belong. I’m sorry but you people love to here yourselves talk when no ones listening to you any way or will it change the color of your skin. Or mine. I still wipe my but the same way I learn years ago, and dammed if I’ll let anyone show me how to do it any different-- it’s my but and personal, wipe your own. Or shoot me in the next war your starting at the moment.

Who ever lays the sword down will live, it would be a better world if we were all deaf mutes :tape2: at this point, instead of intellectual idiots over meaningless words of what end you crack a stupid boiled egg from, methinks.

We are all looking like a bunch of ring ling circus clowns going on like this for thousands of years bla bla bla then it turns into shoot shoot die you infidel die. And if no one reads this --- its no different than a tree falling in the woods and no witness to it's fall anyway. And no one gets upset.

6 pages of pointlessness and growing still. Some one has to stop going after the pointless last word for war’s to end and to get back to breaking bread together.

Is anyone here still awake or have we all gone made, and fallen back into our old ways of blindness? rolling eye's and backing away, lets all have a nice day anyway> John XXX

Couldn't agree with you more, friend, dissing of beliefs without full understanding, pretty pointless.

This is the UFO and extraterrestrial sub forum, not my belief is right and you're wrong section...

[9eagle9]

Then you and wheat are missing the entire point of the thread . Beliefs are what get people into the situation that mankind has gotten into.

You're not happy with the state of the world. Examine your beliefs. Because half this thread is talking about evidence and the others about they think they believe in.

Beliefs that cause so much bloodshed and hatred are not going to be respected by living human compassionate beings. You don't like your gonna bite it. NMP.

You want to get out of the matrix quit babysitting those who build it. Pick up a brick and build it or tear it down but don't think that which has contributed to the essential separation between God and man is going to venerated out some ****ed up since of new age social conditioning. If people's beliefs fail them so badly and can't hold water maybe its the faulty belief that betrays them and not those noticing how their beliefs fail them.

Christianity has not existed in 1, 940 years. Biblanity has. There are those who can tell the difference and those who cannot.

[Houman]

Beliefs are what get people into the situation that mankind has gotten into.


Yep... discussing beliefs leads nowhere but discussing "why people believe what they believe" (i.e. the "engineering" of some of these belief systems) could lead somewhere... I will leave that for another time...

[Chester]

and by no means is "this",.......inspired by Houman's Horus-Ra thread!!!


I must agree with this, the problem with this thread lies in the fact that its title sounds like a conclusion...

My improper thread title - regarding Houman’s comment that the title implied a conclusion - It was not my intent (though perhaps Houman revealed a subconscious possibility which I have taken to heart) –

I feel I need to state my actual intentions for this thread.

I have no attachment to any idea regarding Jesus other than I am not at all open to the possibility that I could be the reincarnation of jesus. I believe this is a healthy way of viewing my current status in relation to the massive messiah complex that I have experienced since I was a child and which I now view as possibly the result of both archontic influences and something within my personality that is open to such a complex.

The purpose of my thread title was to excite an exploration of who Jesus may really have been hoping that the Avalon community would weigh in with sound minded considerations as opposed to hopes and fantasies derived from a fear of death.

What I wished to avoid but predicted to 9eagle9 would happen is that the more zealous, fundamentalists would start pounding the thread with scripture quotes and “testimony” and that it would be difficult to keep the thread from degrading in that direction knowing it would split the thread into two camps, descend into childishness and the thread's intention would be lost. Stupidly, what I also did (which I now see as feeding the wild animals) was to engage these types of posts and thus I threw fuel on the very fire I had hoped to avoid breaking out.

For this reason, I am going to start a NEW thread which I am going to ask that those who wish to use scripture and/or testimony to support their view of Jesus please do so in your own thread.

Thank You in advance for honoring my request.

I will title this thread – An exploration of Jesus, could he have been influenced by extra-dimensionals?

justone

[Chester]

It is clear to me that one of the most favorite tactics of archonic forces is that when someone earnestly investigates deeper truths that challenge the security of religious dogma and ridiculous fanaticism, out of the woodwork come their minions armed with pages of supposed scripture that by their very words shuts down the evil heresies! what a joke - no wonder the illuminati are laughing and have no fear of humanity.

These clowns don't even realize they are being heavily influenced by the very satanic forces from which they think their messiah is saving them.

[Chester]

I have to admit that the price of fish got lost somewhere in there...

Justoneman: thank you for bringing up that "sworn-by" subject of synchronicities as the controlling master manipulation!

Here is an excerpt from "Riding the wave" by Laura Knight Jadczyk:



I will say that some of the things you have found are fascinating and I am convinced that there is some purpose and reason, and maybe even your ultimate conclusions are correct - or pretty close... but there are some big gaps in the symbolic appreciation and historical background of same. There are many things to be gone over in a sort of "cold" and analytical way - even including this business of "synchronicity" that we both have experienced in this matter. This "amazing" confluence of "clues and artifacts" tends to convince us that our ideas are correct... but I have found that, often, the matter is much more complicated - like a chess game. Some of these "synchronous" events are like a move on the chess board by these "unknowns" and they are waiting to see if we will see through the ruse... We can either make the mistake of "falling into the trap" of taking the piece "offered" while we are being set up for a swift and stunning mate. NEVER underestimate the cleverness and cunning of the opponent.

Your ideas are framed in much the same terms as the guys who wrote the Holy Grail series and the guy who wrote the Tomb of God... in the sense that all sorts of "synchronous" and "amazing" correspondences were found in response to the various ideas had by all. This should be taken as a warning that it can occur to just about anybody. All of you were convinced that you were "on the right track" because of these things... don't forget that. They, as sincerely as yourself, were convinced of the "rightness" of their "path" and conclusions because of the SAME TYPES OF REMARKABLE SYNCHRONICITIES!!!!

Remember - NEVER FORGET - that the opponent wants us to come to false conclusions... And never forget that he/they are so much more clever and practiced at this deception that we can even imagine. This is NOT a secret of a couple hundred years duration. It is THOUSANDS of years old...


The culprits of such orchestrations... Lizzies.

This one for the pulpit preachers:



But, getting back to the Bible for just a moment: in my reading of years past, I came across several passages that really struck me as curious, considering their "origins." The first is, of course, one that I quote frequently from the Book of Romans in the New Testament. It is generally attributed to Paul, and actually has been computer analyzed and the result of this analysis was that whoever wrote the book of Romans, also wrote the two epistles to the Corinthians as well as the epistle to the Galatians. Internal evidence from these documents indicates that they were written before 70 A.D., probably close to 60 or even 40 A.D. That is to say, they were written BEFORE the Gospels.

These epistles make no allusions to Jesus as a historical figure as depicted in the Gospels. They say absolutely nothing about the parents of Jesus, the virgin birth, a time or place of earthly existence, a trial before the Romans, an execution in Jerusalem, or any of the main characters of the "Jesus story," with the exception of Peter who is referred to as a hypocrite by Paul. If there had been a real incident such as the denial of Jesus by Peter, it is fairly certain that Paul would have brought it up and used it in his "flame war" against "the Rock of the Church." When Paul DOES refer to Jesus' death, he says repeatedly that he was "crucified" or "delivered up" but NEVER that he was killed! And, we know from many ancient sources that to be "crucified" meant an initiatory event rather than being nailed to a wooden cross and dying in a physical sense.

The portion regarding synchronicity - I have concluded that my massive experience of this phenomena and the fact that many of the synchronicities have been the foundation of my personal messiah complex, that two components are to be blamed. The first one must have something to do with my own openness to such a possibility and the other is the opportunity exploited by the archontic forces. Fortunately this candidate held out and discovered the far more likely truth. whew!

[Chester]

Ritual anointing with sacred oil is documented as fulfilling an important role in the religious ceremonial of Egypt. From Pyramid texts of the early third millenium B.C.E., to Gnostic documents of the Christian era found at Nag Hammadi, anointing can be shown to provide sanctification and give authorization for ascent to the gods and inclusion in their company.
...

perhaps the Egyptians picked up the ritual of anointing from Joseph son of Israel

but i suspect satan is a big copycat of God

it's just that he twists truths

satan is such a good copycat that he actually copies activities that haven't yet occured from "god"

anyways... meeting times for Archonaholics Anonymous will be posted soon in another thread.

The only requirement for membership is a desire to take back your soul.

justone

[Lettherebelight]

There is no doubt that Christianity has been hi-jacked, watered down, twisted etc. This has happened to most (if not all) spiritual disciplines. However, that doesn't mean that there aren't any compassionate, sincere people who connect with the teachings of Jesus. Even people who have been suffered satanic ritual abuse, for example Svali, have found solace and healing in Christianity, and a relationship with Jesus. I agree it is important to recognise the difference in sincerity and hypocrisy (those that talk about compassion, etc but are anything but, or thinking their way of looking at the world is the only way, etc).

One deserves respect, the other needs to be called out. It is imperative to distinguish the two.

There isn't a thinking person in the world who doesn't have some beliefs of their own. Those beliefs may remain steadfast or change throughout life. People will always believe (repose their faith in something) according to their particular nature. It is unrealistic to expect everyone to believe the same thing at all times.

It's not beliefs necessarily that have caused the world's troubles. The world's troubles are caused by the lust for power, desire to control others to suit ourselves; sometimes it hides behind beliefs, sometimes it doesn't, but this is what really separates us from God...unless one doesn't believe in God, which is another type of belief:p

[Chester]

This thread has turned into crap. And all of us have shown how religion creates war, micro here -- macro in the world of lies and lies no one has the truth, there is no truth, only the universe, nature and the ( is ) humans have left themselves out of the equation by to much thinking and no breaks to stop it with. And so nature and the universe will continue to walk away from our noise. Bla bla bla bla bla.

Way do we have to cross over each others back yard fence anyway simply stay in your own back yard, and put your noses back in your pants were they belong. I’m sorry but you people love to here yourselves talk when no ones listening to you any way or will it change the color of your skin. Or mine. I still wipe my but the same way I learn years ago, and dammed if I’ll let anyone show me how to do it any different-- it’s my but and personal, wipe your own. Or shoot me in the next war your starting at the moment.

Who ever lays the sword down will live, it would be a better world if we were all deaf mutes :tape2: at this point, instead of intellectual idiots over meaningless words of what end you crack a stupid boiled egg from, methinks.

We are all looking like a bunch of ring ling circus clowns going on like this for thousands of years bla bla bla then it turns into shoot shoot die you infidel die. And if no one reads this --- its no different than a tree falling in the woods and no witness to it's fall anyway. And no one gets upset.

6 pages of pointlessness and growing still. Some one has to stop going after the pointless last word for war’s to end and to get back to breaking bread together.

Is anyone here still awake or have we all gone made, and fallen back into our old ways of blindness? rolling eye's and backing away, lets all have a nice day anyway> John XXX

I have benefited from this thread. I also am not going to just break bread and avoid engaging folks who are capable of opening their minds and have the capacity to get a clue as to what may be influencing them but prefer to remain in their lala lands.

Wanna know why this is important to me? Because there are folks on this planet who conspire to exploit these "gatekeepers" so that they can continue to twist our world into a direction none of us wish to see. Because my children are having to grow up in this insane asylum. So complain that there's contentious dialogue and miss the points made. Skip over Houman's contributions that happend to shed further light on the matter (at least to this reader).

Skip over the direct comments by 9eagle9.

pass on reading the excellent contributions of Amzer Zo

or maybe look at why perhaps you are uncomfortable and perhaps when you consider the content in Houman's Horus-Ra thread, you might see why this thread can be helpful.

[Chester]

There is no doubt that Christianity has been hi-jacked, watered down, twisted etc. This has happened to most (if not all) spiritual disciplines. However, that doesn't mean that there aren't any compassionate, sincere people who connect with the teachings of Jesus. Even people who have been suffered satanic ritual abuse, for example Svali, have found solace and healing in Christianity, and a relationship with Jesus. I agree it is important to recognise the difference in sincerity and hypocrisy (those that talk about compassion, etc but are anything but, or thinking their way of looking at the world is the only way, etc). One deserves respect, the other needs to be called out.

There isn't a thinking person in the world who doesn't have some beliefs of their own. Those beliefs may remain steadfast or change throughout life. People will always believe according to their nature.

It's not beliefs necessarily that have caused the world's troubles. The world's troubles are caused by the lust for power, desire to control others to suit ourselves; sometimes it hides behind beliefs, sometimes it doesn't, but this is what really separates us from God.

Going from satanism to fundamentalist christianity is like going from heroin to methadone -

attachments to any belief takes major discernment - I believe my sons love me, my wife loves me... those are pretty safe bets

I believe I will go to heaven for eternity because I have accepted that jesus christ's (supposed) horrific death has removed all my sins ohhh and all I have to do is proclaim jesus christ to be one the one and only son of god. give me a break

Attachment to any religious belief is to ask creation for lessons. Can we, collectively, on this planet continue to keep learning those types of lessons? Its already almost completely locked down folks.

[jorr lundstrom]

Well, as Archons cant be like us even if they would like to, only imitate,

there is another way for them to handle this problem. Being jelous

of humans for humans capabilities, creating beaty, music, poetry,

living in the momment, loving in the moment and so on.

After a couple of thousand years of manipulations of the

perpetrators acting out the archontic forces we are almost

there. Most humans reduced to people with almost no

contact with the body, a lot of technical devices, that only

make them more astray in relation to everything natural.

Gladly paying their life for an artificial existence that only

imitates wot actually living is all about.

Nothing is hijacked along the way in this process, every step

is intended and premeditated. We are almost there, most having forgot

wot life is about. It seems almost impossible to get people who

are totally caught in their programmings to realize that acting out

programs isnt living.


http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt81/sakasvattaja/fooled.jpg


I thank those who havent given in to this stupidity.


All is well


Jorr

[Lettherebelight]

Not sure what type of Christian she is (fundamental etc), but if it gives her strength to overcome her abuse, then I say go for it, girl.
http://svalispeaks.wordpress.com/category/interview-with-svali-the-illuminati-in-america/

[observer]

I'm a recluse, by nature. I don't socialize well.

This past weekend I was drawn into a series of dinner parties with some old class mates. At each event, the main topic of discussion was, "what is happening on TV".... the score of the big game.... who's winning Dancing With The Stars.... what movies did you see on cable.... all to the point of ad nauseam.

I don't even own a TV. I felt like Debbie-Downer each time I tried to interject something into the conversation that would cause an awakening among this group of old friends.

The world is soooooo hypnotized, and these zombie-brained people, for whom I have a great love, will be the ones fed on by these hyperdimensional archons.

I feel helpless.... like I'm wandering in some desolate landscape.... and, there's nothing I can do to help those souls I love....

I welcome threads like this, where I can come and express the understanding I've come to realize.

[9eagle9]

I wish I had access to information to this when I was younger. All the suffering that could have been avoided not just for myself but for others as well.

I knew there was something wrong but...who the hell did you talk about it with. You would get the same reaction as you do now if not worse .

It is incredulous to me that we , (not them) would allow suffering to continue simply because its not polite to talk about.

[9eagle9]

Psychologocial abuse overcomes any other sort of abuse how, exactly?

Abuse does not overcome abuse, it masks it.

Programming is covert abuse.


Not sure what type of Christian she is (fundamental etc), but if it gives her strength to overcome her abuse, then I say go for it, girl.
http://svalispeaks.wordpress.com/category/interview-with-svali-the-illuminati-in-america/

[Chester]

Not sure what type of Christian she is (fundamental etc), but if it gives her strength to overcome her abuse, then I say go for it, girl.
http://svalispeaks.wordpress.com/category/interview-with-svali-the-illuminati-in-america/

and I agree 100% with that and almost posted it, but it is still methadone... now if she could just ween herself off that and get into the mystical components of Christianity, she might begin to reclaim her soul instead of handing it off to a different (albeit in the same camp) caretaker.

[Hervé]

go to 22:15 and listen to Rauni-Leena Luukanen-Kilde, a Finnish physician, explain why Nato's 1964 report on disclosure recommended that there not be disclosure - the # 1 reason is because of what it would do to all the religions - "they would all crumble down"

such is the power of this number 1 vice of humanity


mostly because that came from 1964 - a far greater % of the world's population at that time would have had their world views shattered by such a revelation.

And I agree that the more modern interpretations suggest the god(s) may have been aliens. Houman's thread Horus-Ra suggests the demons are also some of these same aliens.

I am revisiting this because it is widely stated that the illunatics and satanists have been bent on destroying religions yet they would prevent disclosure because that would do it in a blink of an eye... hummmm... wondering why keep disclosure in the deep freeze?

So, for once, it seems they are telling the truth: they are not interested in any disclosure because it would indeed shred all religions to bits... and they are not interested in the results from the latter since they would lose all controls as well as any grip on all these millennia of programming.

Makes sense to me.

Carrying the hypothesis a little bit further... who would be interested in a real disclosure?

That would be the real good guys with the purpose of freeing humanity from these programmings... these very guys that the illunatics would portray as these ETs on the brink of invading us... with that "Blue Beam" thing.

[Houman]

Not sure what type of Christian she is (fundamental etc), but if it gives her strength to overcome her abuse, then I say go for it, girl.
http://svalispeaks.wordpress.com/category/interview-with-svali-the-illuminati-in-america/


This is a very interesting common pattern (John Todd, Svali, Schnoebelen, Winston Pitters and many others share this pattern) this is why this topic deserves close attention (without the emotional charge if possible as it doesn't help and the topic is too important to be based on "belief")

[Chester]

Not sure what type of Christian she is (fundamental etc), but if it gives her strength to overcome her abuse, then I say go for it, girl.
http://svalispeaks.wordpress.com/category/interview-with-svali-the-illuminati-in-america/


This is a very interesting common pattern (John Todd, Svali, Schnoebelen, Winston Pitters and many others share this pattern) this is why this topic deserves close attention (without the emotional charge if possible as it doesn't help and the topic is too important to be based on "belief")

its extremely interesting...

from wikipedia -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Schnoebelen


Rev. William "Bill" James Schnoebelen (born 1949) is an American Messianic Christian apologist, author, teacher and lecturer. He is best known as a strong critic of Mormonism, Freemasonry and Wicca. Once primarily published by Chick Publications, he has authored publications in over 14 countries. He is founder and director of the Christian-based ministry With One Accord Ministries.

William Schnoebelen was born in 1949 and claims to have been raised a Catholic. He released a nine-hour DVD program titled "Interview with an Ex-Vampire: A True Story", hosted by Stephanie Relfe, where he speaks of his claimed involvement in vampirism. He also claims to have been a Satanist for a time before converting to Evangelical Christianity.[1][2] Additionally, Schnoebelen claims[3] to have been made a first degree Wiccan priest in 1968, a Spiritualist minister in the Alliance of Divine Love (1972), a priest in the Alexandrian rite of Wicca (1973), a Druidic High Priest (1973) a Third Degree Alexandrian priest (1973), a priest in the Old Roman Catholic Church (starting his studies for this in 1974-5), a Second Degree member of the Church of Satan (1975), a Master Mason in 1977, a Knight Templar in the York Rite Masonry, a 32nd Degree Mason in the Scottish Rite (1980), a Gnostic Bishop with the Monastery of the Seven Rays (1977-8), a 90th Degree Mason in the Ancient and Primitive Rite of Memphis Misraim Freemasonry, baptized into the LDS church in 1980 and become Elders' Quorum President and Institute of Religion teacher and formally left this church for evangelical Christianity in 1985.


Fascinating - my theory based on my own experiences is that a component of the messianic complex is not a simple "belief" at all - it is a "knowing" based on direct experience - folks like us that have had the actual direct experience of the supernatural try very hard to make sense of it based on everything we know. And that's where the trouble begins because we are clueless about the phenomena and thus create false beliefs based on what we have been exposed to in our lives. Usually its one end of the religious spectrum, either supernatural good or supernatural evil.

I for years thought it was God talking directly to me - then I decided to study about every possible metaphysical, philosophical, religious, mystical thing I could. I spent 10 years doing this. When I studied everything occult I got the same massive synchronicities and the same massive supernatural experiences. I then studied Jung and quantum physics and sought out any human resource I could that could explain the phenomena.

It couldn't be "God" because I always ended up in trouble (meaning if it was God then how could I end up in such trouble??). I never saw visions of angelic beings (only had the one experience where I saw the vertical "reptillian" eyes in people I knew normally had normal eyes). Yet I had developed the ability to generate massive synchronicity experiences that involved (and were acknowledged by) friends and acquaintances. Some people actually got a little afraid of me because I would start talking about synchronicity related to a specific something and they would then go on in their life but would experience the synchronicity and I wasn't even there. I just planted the seed and Bammo - it would happen to them independantly of me.

I told folks synchronicity is the perfect miracle in that it does not have to be attributed to a specific person as in "performing miracles" It could be experienced by a group. I can assure you that there is a component to the phenomena related to enthusiasm and openness to believing in that type of "miracle."

A Doctor Elliot Benjamin wrote several articles in a fairly well known, very mainstream type of e-zine called "Integral World" all about synchronicity.
http://www.integralworld.net/

I began an e-mail relationship with Dr. Benjamin almost 2 years ago and contributed several examples of impossible synchronicities where I supplied artifacts as part of the evidence. he included one particualr synchronicity I experienced in one of his articles which featured the number 23 - oddly just after I had that particular synchronicity, I was told by Peter Moon of skybooksusa who published all the Montauk books and is a friend of mine about Jim Carrey's obsession with the number 23 and that he even made a movie about it as well as named his production company after the number 23. I had no clue of the link of the number 23 when I had my massive 23 synchronicity string.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/23_enigma

In fact, I shared this story with a lady I am living with just two weeks ago - I swear this is true - the next day she went to the hospital. I received a phone call from her and she said guess what, I just had to take a number... I said what? 23? Yep - ok big deal right? Two days later she went to the hospital again and was given the number 23 again.

Anyways - its that type of thing that has haunted me all my life, has increased over the years and when I focused on one type of religion, I would get massive synchronicities related to that religion. Yet when i would focus on the Kabalah or tarot or Alistair Crowley I would get massive synchronicities.

Thats why I conclude the experience is explainable somehow. I think there may be EDs that manipulate our reality and are able to project thoughts into our heads and able to perhaps be ahead of our experiences as far as time goes so they can create the illusion to their target that the target is receiving some type of special messages (which then of course makes you, the receiver of these messages) a "chosen one" - a special emissary or special messenger see? Remember earlier in Houman's thread here - the Chosen Ones?

I see it as nothing more than winning a lottery you wished you didn't win... Its like you are targeted, but because of the component where the observer affects the reality he is observing, how one deals with this determines the nature of the experience.

If one is in fear, they perceive it is demons or evil aliens or satan. When one may break out of their dark period by somehow contacting folks or a group where they feel safe, their supernatural experiences continue but now take on a positive flavor. Thus they now think WOW! I am saved by God or by Jesus or whatever, and then they simply switch to the new thing with the same zeal they had while under the negative experience never realizing it is they, themselves that are the battery of the whole dynamic and are still giving off all the emotional energy they previously gave ... it is now simply positive where before it was negative.

Its as if the emotional state... when we ramp it up and emote out to the universe... its this universe that eats the emotion regardless of whether it is fear emotion or what we might call positive emotions.

And when we consider that some research I have come upon calls the astral realm the emotion realm, it seems to make strange sense.

Certainly I have to agree positive emotion is far better than negative emotion, but I also put forth this thought. If emotion derived from delusion is created even if it is positive emotion, who or what is actually in control?

Anyways, that's where I am at with it all and my current theory is that EDs are working humanity over and that none of them are any good for us if we are delusional about who/what they are or if we view them as any sort of God or gods or demons or angels or Satan or anything that has any connotation it is any more "powerful" or hierarchically above being (and this means we cannot view any other life as hierarchically below us or we become like the false gods).

ok sorry I went on so long... I hope this post helps.

[RedeZra]

Not sure what type of Christian she is (fundamental etc), but if it gives her strength to overcome her abuse, then I say go for it, girl.
http://svalispeaks.wordpress.com/category/interview-with-svali-the-illuminati-in-america/


This is a very interesting common pattern (John Todd, Svali, Schnoebelen, Winston Pitters and many others share this pattern) this is why this topic deserves close attention (without the emotional charge if possible as it doesn't help and the topic is too important to be based on "belief")


what can i say

it is always Jesus who comes through to those who have been victims of demonic oppression

and still you don't get it


but call Jesus virus and methadone

what can i say


i am ashamed

[9eagle9]

Batten down the hatches. The persecuted Christian Program has been intiated.

The guilt lever is in the up position.

and no it doesn't do any good to explain that no one called Jesus a virus and methadone.

[RedeZra]

Batten down the hatches. The persecuted Christian Program has been intiated.

The guilt lever is in the up position.

and no it doesn't do any good to explain that no one called Jesus a virus and methadone.


NWO will initiate the persecution program

and as there were no Christians left after the Soviet revolution

there will only be cells of Christians left in the world


i don't whine about it as i know the Word of God will be fulfilled

[9eagle9]

There hasn't been any Christians since about 50 years after Jesus' death.

The word of some god has already been fulfilled.

[RedeZra]

sure whatever you say

[9eagle9]

It's not what I say, it's just evidential.

Excuse me for looking at the evidence.

[jorr lundstrom]

There are no christians, have never been, will never be. The idea

of being a christian is not even an illusion. its wots called Maya,

ie christians never existed in the first place

. The idea of being a christian is just

putting a label on oneself believing that the label will will change

the content of that being labelled. This is just humans who have

turned themselves into people by installinig a program of wishful

thinking calling them selves christian, sacrifying their humanity for

something not even existing.

Still we discuss these matters as if we are discussing something real. LOL

Just sayin........


All is well


Jorr

[9eagle9]

The world's troubles are caused by the lust for power, desire to control others to suit ourselves; sometimes it hides behind beliefs, sometimes it doesn't, but this is what really separates us from God...unless one doesn't believe in God, which is another type of belief


The lust for power is based in fear. That fear was promoted by a thought, an idea or a belief. It all comes from the same place. Beliefs cause a lot of inner circumstances that people have to react to. Fear is not a naturally occurring state. I'd imagine a number of people in this thread could relate how they confronted their fears, overcome then and had a more natural expression of who they really are, understanding that the fear was based ONLY a belief of something.

A lust for power stems from the belief that one is powerless. Greed stems from a belief in lack.

One's self identity gets caught in the belief so if the belief is challenged they feel like they are challenged. We actually do the fighting on the behalf of archonic forces much the same way that we have to do the fighting on the behalf of other parastical energies like our government.

Once one separates from a need to believe and flips over into a state of knowingness conflict evaporates with it.

Believing in god is one thing.

Knowing god and having god express through you is another.



What Jorr says about Christianity not being real delves much deeper beneath the surface.

It is based not on a personal Jesus but a concept of following anointed ones who could be anyone, including the queen of England. During the course of Jesus' historical lifetime and perhaps shortly afterwards there were those who attempted to emulate him, followed him, and they could reasonably be referred to as Christians. But it was something they were doing, not who they were. They are so attached to the label and the belief there is no possible way they could even hope to achieve what Jesus spoke of.

Jesus is more often found speaking comparisons and parables and not making personal assignments to the things he was attempting to convey. This is detachment from belief. He is demonstrating something.

When this means of teaching something that no language exists for is suddenly interrupted by a personal identification marker "I am the way" one understands that the language of archonic energy has been applied. Because he was archonically influenced or because those who corrupted his teachings were? Who knows.

It doesn't matter because the archon always leaves evidence, and the evidence is the belief and the language used to implant that belief.

[markpierre]

What Jorr says about Christianity not being real delves much deeper beneath the surface.

It is based not on a personal Jesus but a concept of following anointed ones who could be anyone, including the queen of England. During the course of Jesus' historical lifetime and perhaps shortly afterwards there were those who attempted to emulate him, followed him, and they could reasonably be referred to as Christians. But it was something they were doing, not who they were. They are so attached to the label and the belief there is no possible way they could even hope to achieve what Jesus spoke of.

Jesus is more often found speaking comparisons and parables and not making personal assignments to the things he was attempting to convey. This is detachment from belief. He is demonstrating something.

When this means of teaching something that no language exists for is suddenly interrupted by a personal identification marker "I am the way" one understands that the language of archonic energy has been applied. Because he was archonically influenced or because those who corrupted his teachings were? Who knows.

It doesn't matter because the archon always leaves evidence, and the evidence is the belief and the language used to implant that belief.

Thats really good. He was teaching a way of thinking, or using the mind, not a different belief system. Too much Paul in the dogma and the perception of the message.
He didn't deify himself, Paul did.
He dropped the seed, watered it a little, and left it to germinate. A little of it fell on fertile ground, the rest is just weeds. The principles certainly are coming around to fruition.
"As a man thinks, so it is with him".

[Houman]

it is always Jesus who comes through to those who have been victims of demonic oppression


Oftentimes yes (Russ Dizard, etc...) but not always (one example would be Dr Malanga's SIMBAD technique which "appears" to be based on a "communication" with the "soul component")...

In Dr Turner's research there are also many examples where these entities appear as Jesus or the Virgin Mary to manipulate the abductees and/or "calling his name" (as Christians do) doesn't appear to be effective (Ted Rice story)...

See also http://janetkatherinesmith.blogspot.com/2010/03/ted-rice-story-part-ii.html

"Due to the regression of others, Ted also learned that 'aliens' can simulate Jesus Christ or other religious figures."

[RedeZra]

There are no christians, have never been, will never be. The idea

of being a christian is not even an illusion. its wots called Maya,

ie christians never existed in the first place

. The idea of being a christian is just

putting a label on oneself believing that the label will will change

the content of that being labelled...



for all political practical purposes race and religion matters

and people are not usually persecuted for being human

but because of race or religion

[RedeZra]

"Due to the regression of others, Ted also learned that 'aliens' can simulate Jesus Christ or other religious figures."

sure shape shifters can simulate Jesus

[9eagle9]

Is that where you learned Redezra?

[jorr lundstrom]

The Gnostics warned humans for the Archons and for the christian

hordes growing in Egypt and the Levantes. They knew the christian

view contained some insane concepts. Believing oneself to be a

christian means accepting to be a tool for the Archontic forces.

Ask the few survivors of indigenous tribes around the world wot

christianity is all about. Killing millions in the name of the

Demiurge, yet those supporting these perpetrators cant see the

obvious fact that this religion has nothing wotsoever to do with

loving, accepting, supporting being human. Believing in something

wotsoever, cant ever give any satisfaction and cant ever accept

anyone being a non-believer. Accepting diversity in views are found

on a totally different level.

Anyone who want be fistf"""""d by the Archons of course are free

to enjoy that, just dont try to convince sane humans that its

something else taking place.


All is well


Jorr

[mountain_jim]

Well up till now I've had the sense to avoid this thread, as debating issues of faith never accomplishes anything (in my experience), but while I was researching Newton's Journey of Souls for a different thread, I came upon a perhaps relevant portion of his views here:



The concept of personalized spiritual beings goes far back in antiquity to our
earliest origins as thinking human beings. Anthropological studies at the sites of
prehistoric people suggest their totemic symbols evoked individual protection.
Later, some 5,000 years ago as city-states arose, official deities became identified
with state religions. These gods were more remote and even generated fear. Thus,
personal and family deities assumed great importance in the day-to-day life of
people for protection. A personal soul deity served as a guardian angel to each
person or family, and could be called upon for divine help during a crisis. This
tradition has been carried down into our cultures of today.
We have two examples at opposite ends of the United States. Aumakua is a personal
god to Hawaiians. The Polynesians believe one's ancestors can assume a personal
god relationship (as humans, animals, or fish) to living family members. In visions
and dreams, Aumakua can either assist or reprimand an individual. In northeastern
America, the Iroquois believe a human's own inner spiritual power is called Orenda,
which is connected to a higher personal Orenda spirit. This guardian is able to resist
the powers of harm and evil directed at an individual. The concept of soul watchers
who function as guides is part of the belief system of many Native American
cultures. The Zuni tribes of the Southwest have oral traditions in their mythology of
god-like beings with personal existences. They are called "the makers and holders of
life paths" and are considered the caretakers of souls. There are other cultures
around the world which also believe someone other than God is watching over them
to personally intercede on their behalf. I think human beings have always needed
anthropomorphic figures below a supreme God to portray the spiritual forces
around them. When people pray or meditate, they want to reach out to an entity
with whom they are acquainted for inspiration. It is easier to ask for aid from a
figure which can be clearly identified in the human mind. There is a lack of imagery
with a supreme God which hinders a direct connection for many people. Regardless
of our diverse religious preferences and degrees of faith, people also feel if there is a
supreme God, this divinity is too busy to bother about their individual problems.
People often express an unworthiness for a direct association with God. As a result,
the world's major religions have used prophets who once lived on Earth to serve as
our intermediaries with God.

Possibly because some of these prophets have been elevated to divine status
themselves, they are not personal enough anymore. I say this without diminishing
the vital spiritual influence all the great prophets have had on their followers.
Millions of people derive benefit from the teachings of these powerful souls who
incarnated on Earth as prophets in our historical past. And yet, people know in
their hearts-as they have always known-that someone, some personal entity
individual to them-is there, waiting to be reached.
I have the theory that guides appear to people who are very religious as figures of
their faith. There was a case on a national television show where the child of a
devout Christian family suffered a near-death experience and said she saw Jesus.
When asked to draw with crayons what she saw, the little girl drew a featureless
blue man standing within a halo of light.

[9eagle9]

Whereas it is perfectly logical to admire and desire to emulate a man who had the insight into the sorts of things that you have mentioned Jorr--assuming those traits are something that a person wants demonstrated in their own life--rather than just something for a talking head to keep babbling out.

But then people get an attachment to an 'IDEAL' in their head and entirely miss the point and go wandering off into the duality of the person-Christianity--everything that Jesus warned against THEN.

Keep the baby throw out the bath water.

[jorr lundstrom]

Then people keep on asking around why the world is in this

f""""""d up state, when its so damn obvious the answer is closer

than close. Keep on trying white out on the mirror so we dont

have to see wots mirrored or even worse to experience the

embaressing knowing wots going on behind the mirrors and

the mirrored. Gosh.....................


All is well


Jorr

[Chester]

what can i say

it is always Jesus who comes through to those who have been victims of demonic oppression

and still you don't get it


but call Jesus virus and methadone

what can i say


i am ashamed

It is a high likelihood that enlightened human beings who overcame the archontic influences existed before Jesus so if that possibility is true, they did not need the Jesus you describe - the Jesus required for an individual's salvation (or perhaps a better word would be - enlightenment).

It is also true that folks are overcoming archontic influence through the works of Dr. Malanga who has dealt with this phenomena for 40 years. There is zero involvement of any individual beings (savior types) from the past nor the present day in his therapeutic approach, yet he has achieved many successes.

That your view of what Jesus was (and may be today) is the only way one can achieve freedom of the soul is to me, limiting. It is by and through limits that the archontic forces (which are non physical at their higher levels) are still able to get one over on physical human beings who are unlimited spirit created in the likeness of the Creator.

[Chester]

sure whatever you say

Dear RedeZra

I have a challenge for you – consider embarking on a contemplative read of Serpia’s excellent presentation of enlightenment and how one might achieve this through her recommended practical steps.

Try this with an open heart and an open mind

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?17056-Enlightenment-Practical-steps

What you may find is that much of the content handed to us that has purportedly come from Jesus, may in fact contain deeper, mystical meanings which you might discover.

And in that process you might be able to detach from the limited view where the only truth is the literal truth or that the only truth has to include the being known to you as Jesus Christ in only the way you know him.

Eventually you may also discover that it’s ok to allow folks to have their views and have their discussion threads without having to interject comments such that the only truth is the literal truth nor would you need to include what you call testimonies of others who also share the same limited, literal only level of interpretation as the only and absolute truth.

In fact, you might discover that your obsession with your view may very well be co-piloted by the very archontic forces from which your Savior is supposed to save you from upon your death.

Why wait for death when you can achieve liberation now and enter paradise now?

Just consider the recommendation.

justone

[Chester]

When this means of teaching something that no language exists for is suddenly interrupted by a personal identification marker "I am the way" one understands that the language of archonic energy has been applied. Because he was archonically influenced or because those who corrupted his teachings were? Who knows.

It doesn't matter because the archon always leaves evidence, and the evidence is the belief and the language used to implant that belief.

Bammo - finally someone was able to express what I could not find the words for.

Let me try ...

We don't know if Jesus himself was archontically influenced or if those who corrupted his teachings were archontically influenced and it doesn't matter which may be true because we can see archontically influenced idiocy when we read silly stuff like "I am the Way."

Thank you, 9eagle9

[Chester]

it is always Jesus who comes through to those who have been victims of demonic oppression


Oftentimes yes (Russ Dizard, etc...) but not always (one example would be Dr Malanga's SIMBAD technique which "appears" to be based on a "communication" with the "soul component")...

In Dr Turner's research there are also many examples where these entities appear as Jesus or the Virgin Mary to manipulate the abductees and/or "calling his name" (as Christians do) doesn't appear to be effective (Ted Rice story)...

See also http://janetkatherinesmith.blogspot.com/2010/03/ted-rice-story-part-ii.html

"Due to the regression of others, Ted also learned that 'aliens' can simulate Jesus Christ or other religious figures."

Thanks Houman... I couldn't feel satisfied with just hitting the Thanks Button because your Horus-Ra thread has been so helpful for me personally. If I ever see ya in the world you better run because I wanna give you a great big hug! justonesoul on the path of freedom

[jorr lundstrom]

In Dr Turner's research there are also many examples where these entities appear as Jesus or the Virgin Mary to manipulate the abductees and/or "calling his name" (as Christians do) doesn't appear to be effective (Ted Rice story)...

See also http://janetkatherinesmith.blogspot.com/2010/03/ted-rice-story-part-ii.html

"Due to the regression of others, Ted also learned that 'aliens' can simulate Jesus Christ or other religious figures."


Houman. I find this subject extremely interesting. For a while Ive been

pondering over this that the christian church is full of images of this so

called christ. Why? And why is it strict forbidden in Islam to make

images of Muhammed?

Six months ago I had a vision of happenings beyond the Archons.

I had a discussion with my good friend John Lamb Lash about this

vision and he didnt like this jump outside the Sophia-myth. But

still, I had the vision and I didnt choose wot I saw. LOL

More pieces are coming in all the time. And now Im fishing for

more informations to produce a picture where all the dots can be

connected. Maybe we are about to put one of the best kept secrets

in the christian church on the table. We´ll see. LOL

Maybe I should start a new thread on this and let Jesus RIP.

We will see how this rolls out.


All is well


Jorr

[9eagle9]

And why is it strict forbidden in Islam to make

images of Muhammed?

It goes back a rather sound spiritual principal of not making graven or false images of god (make god into an archon--an image, an illusion of God). Which is exactly what archons do. And people of a certain persuasion with their paintings of Jesus and having mad dog Jesus's (like the one I most recently witnessed) hanging around their neck demonstrate how they engage in this sort of thing. Its not limited to making visual images but making linguistic ones as well. Like some who roam around proclaiming what Muhammed and Jesus will do, etc etc.

Christianity has the same interdiction that has obviously been ignored.

[9eagle9]

Archonically speaking humans are persecuted for being humans.



There are no christians, have never been, will never be. The idea

of being a christian is not even an illusion. its wots called Maya,

ie christians never existed in the first place

. The idea of being a christian is just

putting a label on oneself believing that the label will will change

the content of that being labelled...



for all political practical purposes race and religion matters

and people are not usually persecuted for being human

but because of race or religion

[jorr lundstrom]

And why is it strict forbidden in Islam to make

images of Muhammed?

It goes back a rather sound spiritual principal of not making graven or false images of god (make god into an archon--an image, an illusion of God). Which is exactly what archons do. And people of a certain persuasion with their paintings of Jesus and having mad dog Jesus's (like the one I most recently witnessed) hanging around their neck demonstrate how they engage in this sort of thing. Its not limited to making visual images but making linguistic ones as well. Like some who roam around proclaiming what Muhammed and Jesus will do, etc etc.

Christianity has the same interdiction that has obviously been ignored.


Thank you Eagle for this piece. This is a fat piece in the stew Im boiling. LOL

Ignoring the interdiction in christianity is not by mistake I presume. LOL


All is well


Jorr

[9eagle9]

That sort of Christianity has very selective thinking --self indulgence.

" I'll beat you over the head with Jesus when it serves my purpose but ignore the sorts of wisdoms that require a bit of self restraint."

[Chester]

In Dr Turner's research there are also many examples where these entities appear as Jesus or the Virgin Mary to manipulate the abductees and/or "calling his name" (as Christians do) doesn't appear to be effective (Ted Rice story)...

See also http://janetkatherinesmith.blogspot.com/2010/03/ted-rice-story-part-ii.html

"Due to the regression of others, Ted also learned that 'aliens' can simulate Jesus Christ or other religious figures."


Houman. I find this subject extremely interesting. For a while Ive been

pondering over this that the christian church is full of images of this so

called christ. Why? And why is it strict forbidden in Islam to make

images of Muhammed?

Six months ago I had a vision of happenings beyond the Archons.

I had a discussion with my good friend John Lamb Lash about this

vision and he didnt like this jump outside the Sophia-myth. But

still, I had the vision and I didnt choose wot I saw. LOL

More pieces are coming in all the time. And now Im fishing for

more informations to produce a picture where all the dots can be

connected. Maybe we are about to put one of the best kept secrets

in the christian church on the table. We´ll see. LOL

Maybe I should start a new thread on this and let Jesus RIP.

We will see how this rolls out.


All is well


Jorr

Hi Jorr - I recently thought I had a solution to the archontic problem (I actually did not as I found out and it almost cost me my life) but I did contact John Lash and came away from my communications with John with a sense of futility and that the only thing a living human being can do is accept the situation and make the best of it by reverting back to the pagan lifestyle. That feels like a western medicine approach - treat the symptom so that it appears the illness has gone away. Something does not feel right about that to me.

I do not want to accept that there's no solution and I will continue to search for a solution and I do so not solely for myself, in fact, my primary motivation stems from my fatherly instinct towards my three sons and the love for my wife and her daughter. And then it stems out to those close to me in my life.

It's not a save the world thing (as it was when the archons had the upper hand with me) but like an alcoholic can never drink successfully, I am of the opinion I must be very cautious of that savior complex.

Anyways, I happen to be reading John's "Not in HIS Image" at the moment so was glad to read your post.

take care... justone

[9eagle9]

I'm curious as to what reverting back to a pagan lifestyle entails? From the perspective of others.

A naturally occuring life versus and artificially enforced one? If the bricks keep falling the way they are we may all be per-emptively leading a pagan lifestyle....lol.

If should events come to pass that is where the wheat and the chaff will be separated. those who continue to wait for someone to save them (including a Fema workcamp officials) and those who have a naturally occurring ability to look after one's self. Trust me my arse likes modern convenience as much as the next person but I admit I've made due nicely without it. Missing it is not the same as needing or depending on it.

In fact as I finally laid the last few end pieces of a long term flooring project in the house a few weeks ago I found myself thinking "If the end is near why are you installing a new floor?"

Why not?. The end will be no better or worse because I did not.

Or people extolling that I should live with them because 'something is about to happen'.

Okay so I can live here as well 'when something happens' than living with others, finally figuring out they were dependent on me for their survival if something 'should happen'.

Oh yay. So after years of warning of imminent collapse moi needs to come babysit your big dumb fat ass?!!! Messiah complex everywhere!!
Pagan is then often used as much as a label as 'Christian' .

I read an excellent book called Pagans and Christians a number of years back that exhibits about zero difference between the two when paganism is viewed as a religion.

As the way the word is actually intended pagan would be more geared towards living naturally--not necessarily out froliking naked in the woods (I know a great many pagans who force themselves to do this to fit in and it sort of defeats the purpose of natural living) .

Anything that is forced is not really natural.

[Chester]

The eagle pounces! Anyway, thanks 9eagle9, I used a poor choice of words when I said "reverting back" as that sounds like a negative view of the pagan lifestyle.

If someone had to label me, they probably would consider "pagan" amongst a few others.

And I do not mean the watered down, popular and/or neo religious pagan... I mean like you state - "pagan would be more geared towards living naturally"

[9eagle9]

The old mother church sure hated the fact there were a bunch of farmers and natural living people still scurrying just beyond the reach of Her sword.

One wonders why such a universal and powerful institution would be so threatened by such a simple sort of folk.

[Hervé]

Greyhound killer believed man he beheaded was an alien

By CBC News, cbc.ca, Updated: May 22, 2012 8:16 PM


Vince Li, who beheaded a fellow passenger aboard a Greyhound bus in Manitoba nearly four years ago, believed he was chosen by God to save people from an alien attack.

In an interview granted to Chris Summerville, CEO of the Schizophrenia Society of Canada, Li talks about his struggle with the voices that led to the fatal encounter with fellow bus passenger Tim McLean near Portage la Prairie, Man., on July 30, 2008.

Li, who only later understood the voice as schizophrenia, was convinced he was leading the third story of the Bible and "that I was like the second coming of Jesus."


Full article: http://news.ca.msn.com/top-stories/greyhound-killer-believed-man-he-beheaded-was-an-alien-1

[Hervé]

[...]

One wonders why such a universal and powerful institution would be so threatened by such a simple sort of folk.

A possible answer to that at this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?45155-Would-you-be-comfortable-with-telepathic-communication&p=489893&viewfull=1#post489893).

[9eagle9]

People have evolved since then Tarka and are cutting their own heads off now.

[Hervé]

People have evolved since then Tarka and are cutting their own heads off now.


Must have been imitating the walking, quacking, etc... to that high flying bird....



https://public.bay.livefilestore.com/y1ppch245prjg7Ei5uY06QE-GcJHaKEnae4QoLorwmwgIHBUjbbbqZMk_cCStyDIwfRO6yh1r64MZfnDD3X9Rx8Bw/31002_large-01.jpg?psid=1

[RedeZra]

it is Jesus who comes through to heal and help people under archonic influence

not Krishna Buddha nor Allah


so the question for the serious truthseeker is

was Buddha a bull****ter Krishna a kosmokrat and Allah an archon ?


and why is the so-called eastern enlightenment linked with kundalini snake or serpent spirit



For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities [arche] , against powers [exousia], against the rulers [kosmokrator] of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places - Ephesians 6:12



what kind of being can withstand an Archangel ?


"But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me [Archangel Gabriel] twenty-one days; and behold, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, for I had been left alone there with the kings of Persia. - Daniel 10:13



humanity has some powerful enemies

and some are waking up to this fact

but many choose the side of the foe

against God


and to be an enemy of God is not good lol

[Chester]

Greyhound killer believed man he beheaded was an alien

By CBC News, cbc.ca, Updated: May 22, 2012 8:16 PM


Vince Li, who beheaded a fellow passenger aboard a Greyhound bus in Manitoba nearly four years ago, believed he was chosen by God to save people from an alien attack.

In an interview granted to Chris Summerville, CEO of the Schizophrenia Society of Canada, Li talks about his struggle with the voices that led to the fatal encounter with fellow bus passenger Tim McLean near Portage la Prairie, Man., on July 30, 2008.

Li, who only later understood the voice as schizophrenia, was convinced he was leading the third story of the Bible and "that I was like the second coming of Jesus."


Full article: http://news.ca.msn.com/top-stories/greyhound-killer-believed-man-he-beheaded-was-an-alien-1

I remember this story well. I went through the same thing and almost ended my life because of massive synchronicities and then the voices - the reason I had to do it "was to save the world." Same exact type of psychosis, with one exception, never received any instructions to harm another... not once. Anyways, I have ramped up like that over a dozen times.

In my case, this only happens to me with long term, heavy usage of high quality marijuana, but this can happen to people even without any drugs, though rarer. Please, note the significant difference, all my violent actions were always and only directed towards myself and only occurred in two of those over one dozen episodes.

If these experiences are indeed in part due to intrusion of alien mind parasitic beings or something along those lines, it seems that if (I know this is way too idealistic) we could bring this possibility forth into mainstream consideration, and develop techniques like those of Dr, Malanga for example, maybe we can rid our world of these beings.

Again, just a dream but wow... imagine if we could?

[Chester]

[...]

One wonders why such a universal and powerful institution would be so threatened by such a simple sort of folk.

A possible answer to that at this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?45155-Would-you-be-comfortable-with-telepathic-communication&p=489893&viewfull=1#post489893).

WoW Zo - you always got the good stuff. I checked out your post... and now will read Penetration. Thanks justone

[jorr lundstrom]

About John Lash, I would like to say that he has done an XLNT
work with the translation of Nag Hammadi. Before that it had
been translated by some "christians" who all tried to project
a christimage into the prechristian visions of the gnostics.
Not in his image, is worth reading, for anyone, maybe even
those fanatics that are screaming "Jiiizus" from the top of their
unsustainable house of cards. But it takes the courage to ****
your own pants.
When I read it I was confirmed for truths Ive known since I was
fifteen, trying to handle during my engagement in this insane
society. I would like to give the book a subtitle: " Freedom from
beliefs". LOL


All is well


Jorr

[RedeZra]

One of the Dead Sea Scrolls (4Q535, Manuscript B) is written from Amram's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amram)point of view, and hence has been dubbed the Testament of Amram. The document is dated to the 2nd century BC and, in the form of a vision, briefly discusses dualism and the Watchers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watcher_(angel)):



I saw Watchers in my vision, the dream-vision. Two men were fighting over me...holding a great contest over me. I asked them, 'Who are you, that you are thus empowered over me?'

They answered, 'We have been empowered and rule over all mankind.'

They said to me, 'Which of us do you choose to rule you?'

I raised my eyes and looked. One of them was terrifying in his appearance, like a serpent, his cloak, many-colored yet very dark....And I looked again, and in his appearance, his visage like a viper....I replied to him, 'This Watcher, who is he?'

He answered, 'This Watcher...his three names are Belial and Prince of Darkness and King of Evil.'

I said (to the other Watcher), 'My lord, what dominion (have you?)'

He answered, 'You saw (the viper), and he is empowered over all Darkness, while I (am empowered over all Light.)...My three names are Michael, Prince of Light and King of Righteousness.

[kreagle]

It is clear to me that one of the most favorite tactics of archonic forces is that when someone earnestly investigates deeper truths that challenge the security of religious dogma and ridiculous fanaticism, out of the woodwork come their minions armed with pages of supposed scripture that by their very words shuts down the evil heresies! what a joke - no wonder the illuminati are laughing and have no fear of humanity.

These clowns don't even realize they are being heavily influenced by the very satanic forces from which they think their messiah is saving them.

justoneman,

I "thought" that this was a topic about Jesus.

I "thought" that I would share some "facts", concerning Him, from "His Word".

This is not the "first" time that I've been made aware that "His Word" offends! You see, the "Word",.....uncovers,.....exposes,......and cuts deeply,.....into all of the hidden crevices of man's soul!

Hebrews 4:11-13
King James Version (KJV)

11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.

(in closing)

You, justoneman, have "laid open" your life before us, here at Avalon, in a very graphic and heart-rending way.

My heart truly bleeds and aches for that which you have endured in your past. I mean this with all the sincerity that I can possibly relate to you!

Don't confuse "God's Word" as your "enemy"!

When "God's Word",....uncovers,...exposes,....and cuts deeply,...into your life, (just like He did in mine, too!),.....it's simply Him prodding us to "come to terms" and "deal with" the "sinful nature" that we are "all" born with.

As I began with,.....I "thought" this topic was about "Jesus"

Was I "wrong"?

Love and Peace,......kreagle

P.S. I also have come to realize that you have started a "new thread" along the same basic topic,....titled "An exploration of Jesus, could he have been influenced by extra-dimensionals?"

Your "instructions" clearly indicate that I'm not currently welcomed there. I will abide by your wishes, as I currently see them for that particular thread.

Love and Peace,......kreagle

[9eagle9]

God's ' word' is only the tool the enemy uses.

Language. It's how everyone is programmed. All Script(ures) are written in language, all doctrines, all philosophies all the little jiggly catch phrases like 'love and light'.

One notices that those who copy and paste from those sorts of sources are unable to arrange original expression on the topic . They are not able to. So are reduced to quoting, 2nd and 3rd parties.

Resistance to the program causes anger. The program wasn't designed to be challenged (Don't question God's word).

[Chester]

It is clear to me that one of the most favorite tactics of archonic forces is that when someone earnestly investigates deeper truths that challenge the security of religious dogma and ridiculous fanaticism, out of the woodwork come their minions armed with pages of supposed scripture that by their very words shuts down the evil heresies! what a joke - no wonder the illuminati are laughing and have no fear of humanity.

These clowns don't even realize they are being heavily influenced by the very satanic forces from which they think their messiah is saving them.

justoneman,

I "thought" that this was a topic about Jesus.

I "thought" that I would share some "facts", concerning Him, from "His Word".

This is not the "first" time that I've been made aware that "His Word" offends! You see, the "Word",.....uncovers,.....exposes,......and cuts deeply,.....into all of the hidden crevices of man's soul!

Hebrews 4:11-13
King James Version (KJV)

11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.

(in closing)

You, justoneman, have "laid open" your life before us, here at Avalon, in a very graphic and heart-rending way.

My heart truly bleeds and aches for that which you have endured in your past. I mean this with all the sincerity that I can possibly relate to you!

Don't confuse "God's Word" as your "enemy"!

When "God's Word",....uncovers,...exposes,....and cuts deeply,...into your life, (just like He did in mine, too!),.....it's simply Him prodding us to "come to terms" and "deal with" the "sinful nature" that we are "all" born with.

As I began with,.....I "thought" this topic was about "Jesus"

Was I "wrong"?

Love and Peace,......kreagle

P.S. I also have come to realize that you have started a "new thread" along the same basic topic,....titled "An exploration of Jesus, could he have been influenced by extra-dimensionals?"

Your "instructions" clearly indicate that I'm not currently welcomed there. I will abide by your wishes, as I currently see them for that particular thread.

Love and Peace,......kreagle

EDIT - apologies to kreagle for my error - kreagle posted in the correct thread

[jorr lundstrom]

The archons try to use everyone and everything as tool to kill the

luminous child. Every religion, every church as all the people inside

the pyramid are used. A few outside the pyramid, those who know,

who dont rely on beliefs, who dont care to play games of power cant

be used as tools.

Capturing people with words says a lot about stupidity. Words are

symbols, not reality. Symbols are something (anything) which are

used instead of the real thing ie wot can be experienced. They are just

pointers, hinters. Most people seem to get stuck at the level of

language, going astray in words, never reaching experiences, only

the juggling with descriptions of experiences.


All is well


Jorr

[kreagle]

God's ' word' is only the tool the enemy uses.

Language. It's how everyone is programmed. All Script(ures) are written in language, all doctrines, all philosophies all the little jiggly catch phrases like 'love and light'.

One notices that those who copy and paste from those sorts of sources are unable to arrange original expression on the topic . They are not able to. So are reduced to quoting, 2nd and 3rd parties.

Resistance to the program causes anger. The program wasn't designed to be challenged (Don't question God's word).

9eagle9,

When Jesus was tempted of the devil,.....He "exclusively" used His Word to combat him with. I guess that must make Jesus the "enemy" in your book.

To know Him, (Jesus),...is to love Him and His Word. The two are inseparable. You cannot love one without the other.

I use the Word of God to "validate". It is the final authority on all truth!

Many, here, seek "validation" elsewhere,....normally from the "wells of mankind's perceived wisdom",.....paying little to no attention to the Written Word.

His Word shall be our Judge,....one day!

You might want to start paying a little closer attention to what the "Judge has to say!!!"

John 12:48
King James Version (KJV)

48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

(in conclusion)

For those who wish to "opine" on the topic of Jesus,....you might want to start "including His Word" as you travel down that "road of truth". To those who wish to "exclude" It,.....don't be surprised if you "wind up in a ditch!"

I can assure you that I am,....more that "able" to converse with you on any level you like, in that, my command of the English language, is not lacking. The reality is, though,......that I'm completely "unwilling" to abandon the wisdom of God's Word.

He says it so much better than I!!!!

Love and Peace,........kreagle

[Chester]

God's ' word' is only the tool the enemy uses.

Language. It's how everyone is programmed. All Script(ures) are written in language, all doctrines, all philosophies all the little jiggly catch phrases like 'love and light'.

One notices that those who copy and paste from those sorts of sources are unable to arrange original expression on the topic . They are not able to. So are reduced to quoting, 2nd and 3rd parties.

Resistance to the program causes anger. The program wasn't designed to be challenged (Don't question God's word).

9eagle9,

When Jesus was tempted of the devil,.....He "exclusively" used His Word to combat him with. I guess that must make Jesus the "enemy" in your book.

To know Him, (Jesus),...is to love Him and His Word. The two are inseparable. You cannot love one without the other.

I use the Word of God to "validate". It is the final authority on all truth!

Many, here, seek "validation" elsewhere,....normally from the "wells of mankind's perceived wisdom",.....paying little to no attention to the Written Word.

His Word shall be our Judge,....one day!

You might want to start paying a little closer attention to what the "Judge has to say!!!"

John 12:48
King James Version (KJV)

48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

(in conclusion)

For those who wish to "opine" on the topic of Jesus,....you might want to start "including His Word" as you travel down that "road of truth". To those who wish to "exclude" It,.....don't be surprised if you "wind up in a ditch!"

I can assure you that I am,....more that "able" to converse with you on any level you like, in that, my command of the English language, is not lacking. The reality is, though,......that I'm completely "unwilling" to abandon the wisdom of God's Word.

He says it so much better than I!!!!

Love and Peace,........kreagle

EDIT: apologies to kreagle again

[Chester]

The archons try to use everyone and everything as tool to kill the

luminous child. Every religion, every church as all the people inside

the pyramid are used. A few outside the pyramid, those who know,

who dont rely on beliefs, who dont care to play games of power cant

be used as tools.

Capturing people with words says a lot about stupidity. Words are

symbols, not reality. Symbols are something (anything) which are

used instead of the real thing ie wot can be experienced. They are just

pointers, hinters. Most people seem to get stuck at the level of

language, going astray in words, never reaching experiences, only

the juggling with descriptions of experiences.


All is well


Jorr

Super good, excellent points Jorr.

Unfortunately not all contributors here seem to be able to understand this.

In fact, the fundamentalist/literalist/"our interpretation is the only correct interpretation"/and "Jesus, alone is the only one who can heal"/"that no one can enter heaven lest they do so through Jesus" zealots may actually be producing the energy opposite of the overtly evil energies created by the practicing satanists that assist in the maintenance of the overall energetic prison.

In some ways, I have more respect for the "acknowledging" dark physical human beings who do not necessarily reveal their evil to all (as they clearly do to their victims) but at least these humans are honest with themselves and their victims, whereas it appears perhaps the so called righteous are caught up in their own self deception.

Interesting consideration huh?

[observer]

Jay Weidner speaks of an alchemical technique for avoiding the archons in the after death experience. The technique is referred to as, creating a light body and, according to Weidner, has been practiced by alchemists for eons of time.

There is much insight into the archon phenomenon in this William Henry interview with Jay Weidner:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEVo2dddB_U&list=WLBF8D2B8D1C1C62AB&index=87&feature=plpp_video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEVo2dddB_U&list=WLBF8D2B8D1C1C62AB&index=87&feature=plpp_video

[kreagle]

God's ' word' is only the tool the enemy uses.

Language. It's how everyone is programmed. All Script(ures) are written in language, all doctrines, all philosophies all the little jiggly catch phrases like 'love and light'.

One notices that those who copy and paste from those sorts of sources are unable to arrange original expression on the topic . They are not able to. So are reduced to quoting, 2nd and 3rd parties.

Resistance to the program causes anger. The program wasn't designed to be challenged (Don't question God's word).

9eagle9,

When Jesus was tempted of the devil,.....He "exclusively" used His Word to combat him with. I guess that must make Jesus the "enemy" in your book.

To know Him, (Jesus),...is to love Him and His Word. The two are inseparable. You cannot love one without the other.

I use the Word of God to "validate". It is the final authority on all truth!

Many, here, seek "validation" elsewhere,....normally from the "wells of mankind's perceived wisdom",.....paying little to no attention to the Written Word.

His Word shall be our Judge,....one day!

You might want to start paying a little closer attention to what the "Judge has to say!!!"

John 12:48
King James Version (KJV)

48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

(in conclusion)

For those who wish to "opine" on the topic of Jesus,....you might want to start "including His Word" as you travel down that "road of truth". To those who wish to "exclude" It,.....don't be surprised if you "wind up in a ditch!"

I can assure you that I am,....more that "able" to converse with you on any level you like, in that, my command of the English language, is not lacking. The reality is, though,......that I'm completely "unwilling" to abandon the wisdom of God's Word.

He says it so much better than I!!!!

Love and Peace,........kreagle

EDIT: apologies to kreagle again

justoneman,

Thank you for acknowledging your error and apologizing. I told you that I would not post on your "other thread",.....and I meant it.

That doesn't mean that I haven't, at least, read some of the posts on this "other thread" titled,......"An exploration of Jesus, could he have been influenced by extra-dimensionals?

You have, consequently, admonished "others" for trying to "derail" you new thread. Let me say, here, that I wouldn't worry about this, in that, it was never on track to begin with!!

Before you "blow up",.....let me explain.

A vast majority of you, here, are trying to "get a handle on this One, we call Jesus",....without,... "FIRST, being filled with the Holy Ghost!"

THIS,......IS,........AN,.........IMPOSSIBILITY!!!

1 Corinthians 12:3
King James Version (KJV)

3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

To "correctly" understand the Scriptures,......one must, first,.....be filled with the Spirit of God,.....and then,...only,... will you, or I, begin to fully realize and recognize the things of God in the "light" He intended them to be seen.

Many of you are trying to "grasp and understand" the concept of God, and His Word,....with a "carnal mind"

Romans 8:5-10
King James Version (KJV)

5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

Now, before anyone here gets confused,.....let me further state that I'm not talking about a simple "change of mind" experience, which many, today, misinterpret as being "spirit filled".

I'm talking about the "genuine experience",.....the real McCoy, (if you will),.....Holy Ghost "experience",.....just like they did on the Day of Pentecost,....when the Apostles, and Mary, the mother of Jesus, and the rest of the "120" received the Holy Ghost, and began to "speak in other tongues as the Spirit gave them the utterance".

Acts 2:4
King James Version (KJV)

4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

This, same identical event, happened in my own personal life, on Feb. 22, 1981. I was 26 years old, at the time,....and I will turn 58 in October, this year.

I was "born again, .....of the water and the Spirit".

Jesus told Nicodemus that "this type experience" would be "necessary",....not optional,....in order to, not only "see", (understand),.....but to also "enter into" the kingdom of God.

John 3:1-7
King James Version (KJV)

3 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:

2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.

3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?

5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

(In conclusion)

It should come as no surprise to anyone,.....that to be "spiritually enlightened",.....and to be able to properly discern the "Words of Life" with "spiritual accuracy",......that it be absolutely imperative that one be "filled with the Spirit of Truth",......the "Holy Ghost"!

Exclude the "Holy Ghost" experience,......and there is no telling what you might wind up believing,.......but the "destination" will never be in question!!

The Disciples, Mary,....the mother of Jesus,...."120" in total,...were "wise enough" to obey Him and find their "upper room experience".

I was also "wise enough" to obey Him and find my own personal "upper room experience" on Feb. 22, 1981.

It would behoove you all to "listen and obey" the "voice of wisdom"!!!

Love and Peace,.......kreagle

[markpierre]

Now, before anyone here gets confused,.....let me further state that I'm not talking about a simple "change of mind" experience, which many, today, misinterpret as being "spirit filled".
I'm talking about the "genuine experience",.....the real McCoy, (if you will),.....Holy Ghost "experience",.....just like they did on the Day of Pentecost,....when the Apostles, and Mary, the mother of Jesus, and the rest of the "120" received the Holy Ghost, and began to "speak in other tongues as the Spirit gave them the utterance".


This, same identical event, happened in my own personal life, on Feb. 22, 1981. I was 26 years old, at the time,....and I will turn 58 in October, this year.

I was "born again, .....of the water and the Spirit".

Love and Peace,.......kreagle

Hi kreagle,

I want to acknowledge that first statement that I'm quoting.

It's a really tough thing to express because it needs the experience in order to comprehend it. Pretty well said and thanks. Yet it lacks the energy to make it even listenable.
Emphatic, colorful, and no spirit in it.
I totally appreciate the dilemma. I don't know how to say it either other than a million different ways.
One must occasionally hit a balloon with a prize in it, but I don't know that. HeII sometimes I sound insane to myself.
A friendly nod and nudge is appropriate there.

But here's where I get hung up because i really like and enjoy you, and I value the quotes you use and why and where you use them.
I'm not implying that you're incapable, but that you withhold something that I think is important to demonstrate.
Descending of the Holy Spirit into teachers is an ability to communicate direct experience.
It has to struggle through the unraveling human mind, but the willingness is divine.
Anyone can, but no one will.

And you and I both (I presume) know that that is not the experience. It's the gift of a new tool used by the plan of Atonement.
You've gotten in on the plan, you get the plot. Now you're working with the plan instead of against it. And that's entirely personal
because the experience is about you, and your awakening, and perceiving correctly that the world is always only and ever the contents
of your own mind being played out like a movie reel.
No seven billion or so other viewpoints because you're only aware of your own, and what appears to oppose it.
It doesn't matter what the opposition is. Guys that don't agree.
And you feel conflict there, and that's in opposition to the joy that was gifted to you. It wasn't your human decision making in regard to the letter of the law that culminated in that gift.
That gift just is and always has been. Here and available. The Spirit of the law.

Quoting scripture is okay, but I don't speak that language and neither do you. For me to take you seriously if I didn't understand you (I do)
I'd need you to make it make sense. Not just to me, but demonstrate that you can make it make sense to anyone.
You've had an experience, it happened to you, your memory isn't translated into Old English in order for you to remember it,
and you should understand that the guys who wrote about that experience that became 'scriptures' were just as baffled about how to explain it as you or I.
Though they did have the advantage of less degradation of the message. Their own interpreting might have been a handicap, but you say it in the context that you know it.
Could be any dogma, could be AA-speak. A lot of divine teachers working those circuits.

Say it in your own words. That's the Spirit working. He doesn't defer to cut and paste. It's there in your own words. That's where I need to hear it.
I'd really like to get to know the REAL you. I hope there's a real 'new' you, but I know that it can't exclude the mechanics and vernacular of the old one.
What you have to say about the experience. That 'upper room' thing sounds compelling.
That's what you're trying to sell.

Sell it to me because I'm not just a serious shopper, I'm an astute one. There's a dear price for real freedom, and I'll pay it for what I'm after.
Make it understandable if the cost of not understanding is so great.

I don't think there's a hair of difference in anything I see in these threads. I see what's able and ready to wake up waking up. I don't know or care what that's supposed to look or sound like for anyone.
There are a zillion ways to illustrate the definition of resurrection. The Holy Roman Empire managed to somehow pervert the ones you use. Find others.
When the door opens for you, you jump through it. You don't reach back for imagined stragglers, or you turn to salt.
Or you've firmly got it by then that the entire story was just for and about you, and you don't notice the ghosts as you stroll on through.

I know. Call me crazy.

[RedeZra]

The archons try to use everyone and everything as tool to kill the

luminous child. Every religion, every church as all the people inside

the pyramid are used. A few outside the pyramid, those who know,

who dont rely on beliefs, who dont care to play games of power cant

be used as tools.




i agree old eagle

the luminous child or soul should not go and get lost

into the maze of institutionalized mental constructs


the Bible tells us that the Beast is still in control of this world


so to successfully escape the errors here on earth

the luminous child must listen to the Father for truths and wisdom

and Jesus showed us that much as His life was an example of the Way

[kreagle]

markpierre,

You don't know just how much your words mean to me in the "grand scheme of things". Your words are genuinely like an "oasis" in the middle of the desert. I have wondered and agonized over the question,......"is there anyone out there who is listening at all?"

Your response has been like an "April shower",......the "flowers can now begin to bloom and grow!"

Truer words cannot possibly be spoken about, not only the difficulty,....but, more importantly, the "awesome responsibility" involved in accurately relating "this type of upper room experience" to so many others!

In relating this "upper room experience", I would be completely remiss in my Christian duties if I did not give credit, where credit is due and deserved, and that's to the glorified "Word of God". This is "why" you have, no doubt, seen so many of my posts "peppered with Scriptural quotes". There is a reason,.....a "real" reason,.....why I lean so heavily on His glorious Word! You see, my friend,....His Word will be the "source" that draws the "hungry soul that really wants to know" into the "fullness" of His Truth,....and likewise it will wind up "repelling" those who could "care less" and are either satisfied with a "head knowledge" of God,....or even "less than that"!

Notice what Jesus says in the following text,......

John 7:37-39
King James Version (KJV)

37 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.

38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

Little did I know, then,....but would soon find out, later,....was that "this" rivers of living water,....flowing "out of my belly",....would be, none other than my "personal upper room experience" coming to complete fruition in my life!!!

All I needed to "simply" do was to "believe on Him,....as the scripture hath said"!!

Prior to my personal "upper room experience", which occured on February 22, 1981, when I was 26 years old, there was a young man, in the Church, who came to my house and began to teach me, at my request, a "Home Bible Study". Little did I know, or even realize, but as I began to "willingly expose" myself to the "Written Word of God",.....a "miracle" was beginning to formulate in my life. You see, markpierre,......"faith" in God's Word was taking root in my soul! Faith was beginning to "germinate" and grow.(note: "This" will produce an "upper room experience" in your life,....every time!!!,.....and it certainly did in mine, too!!!)

I can remember, all to well,....sitting at my table,....listening to the "young man" giving me the "Home Bible Study",........absorbing the "Word",......and allowing It to "germinate in my life"! After the "third or fourth" lesson I can remember that a "profound change" was beginning to develop within my life. It was in the "middle" of one of these lessons that I truly "knew" that He was "knocking on the door of my heart"! Then, suddenly,.....I began to "weep",......as I am, right now!,......

I did not know it then,.....but I was now,....."believing on Him",.....as the scripture hath said,...."rivers of living water" were just around the corner for me! My "personal" Day of Pentecost was soon to arrive,....along with my "upper room experience"!!!

In just a "few" short weeks from then, I was baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, for the remission of my sins. This was on Dec. 30, 1981. (Did you know that the Apostles, exclusively baptized, in the "name" of Jesus Christ,....and never,.....in the "titles" of.....Father,...Son,....and.....Holy Ghost?) (note: a "topic" for later discussion)

Then,....finally,....twenty-three days later,....on Feb. 22, 1981,.....I received the "gift" of the Holy Ghost! I was "gloriously filled",.....just like the Apostles, Mary,...the mother of Jesus, and the rest of the "120" were in the "Upper Room" on the Day of Pentecost. And, as they were filled with the Holy Ghost,.....so was "I",....in exactly the same way!! I, too,....began to "speak in other tongues",.....a language that I had never previously known or had learned! A "miracle" had, indeed, occured in my life!

Along with this "spiritual infilling" has certainly come a "spiritual understanding" that I definitely did not have, prior to this blessed event!

No wonder the "Scriptures" inform us that,.......

John 16:13
King James Version (KJV)

13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Truer words cannot be possibly spoken!,....I am now "experiencing and seeing" things that "others" fail to recognize and understand!,......

But it doesn't have to be that way!!!,......"this experience" is for "whosoever will"!!!!

Love and Peace,.....kreagle

[9eagle9]

just like the Apostles, Mary,...the mother of Jesus, and the rest of the "120"

That's because programs repeat themselves.

Yes Kreagle in case something got lost in translation the actual topic of the thread is about the exploration of a construct of Jesus being the enemy.

[markpierre]

[QUOTE=kreagle;495071]markpierre,

"is there anyone out there who is listening at all?"[/I][/B]

Ya I've wondered that. I didn't need to. It's not in words anyway. But there is a responsibility in asserting anything you regard as 'truth', that you first make damn sure you're right,
because if you're wrong you'll murder yourself for it.
And that you make every effort to make it possible to be understood, even if you have to compromise conceptually a little.
Or even allow your own mind to expand a bit. God forbid if some of those doctrines are nothing but doctrines. All of your idols will fall.
I'm glad you enjoyed it that someone appreciates you, but I think it's unfortunate and unfair that you're misunderstood, and I don't think it's really in the minds of the readers.
I think the entirety of the responsibility lies with you.
Meet people where they are. Quoting scripture isn't conveying secret wisdom just because it sounds iconic and incomprehensible to modern ears.

Don't get hung up in the idea that you have to be misunderstood and persecuted in order to prove you're worthy. Or if you think you have to, take the advice and don't throw pearls where they do more harm than good. You don't want that.
And don't mistake 'Christian duties' for truth. What you experienced as you described it is beautiful and it's big.
There's bigger.

You may have needed Jesus to point out to you that what are really simple principles are only lost in the psychology of believing in unworthiness.
You don't need Jesus to do your speaking for you. I'm sure he would rather you speak for yourself.
Give it a think. I believe that what you have to say has value and you saying it has value to you. I think you need to find out how to say it and you can.
At least be sure to filter out St Paul. He was a bit corrupt.

Those really are just gentle observations. It might beat a rock dropped on your head one day.
There are some experiences available in this 'endgame'
that I'd like to think contemporaries can be spared.

[ulli]

[QUOTE=kreagle;495071]markpierre,

"is there anyone out there who is listening at all?"[/I][/B]

Ya I've wondered that. I didn't need to. It's not in words anyway. But there is a responsibility in asserting anything you regard as 'truth', that you first make damn sure you're right,
because if you're wrong you'll murder yourself for it.
And that you make every effort to make it possible to be understood, even if you have to compromise conceptually a little.
Or even allow your own mind to expand a bit. God forbid if some of those doctrines are nothing but doctrines. All of your idols will fall.
I'm glad you enjoyed it that someone appreciates you, but I think it's unfortunate and unfair that you're misunderstood, and I don't think it's really in the minds of the readers.
I think the entirety of the responsibility lies with you.
Meet people where they are. Quoting scripture isn't conveying secret wisdom just because it sounds iconic and incomprehensible to modern ears.

Don't get hung up in the idea that you have to be misunderstood and persecuted in order to prove you're worthy. Or if you think you have to, take the advice and don't throw pearls where they do more harm than good. You don't want that.
And don't mistake 'Christian duties' for truth. What you experienced as you described it is beautiful and it's big.
There's bigger.

You may have needed Jesus to point out to you that what are really simple principles are only lost in the psychology of believing in unworthiness.
You don't need Jesus to do your speaking for you. I'm sure he would rather you speak for yourself.
Give it a think. I believe that what you have to say has value and you saying it has value to you. I think you need to find out how to say it and you can.
At least be sure to filter out St Paul. He was a bit corrupt.

Those really are just gentle observations. It might beat a rock dropped on your head one day.
There are some experiences available in this 'endgame'
that I'd like to think contemporaries can be spared.

Great advice and a brilliant post.
What came to my mind is the relationship between traditional religion and mystical experience.
So with Buddhism the saying "before enlightenment, chop wood and carry water, after enlightenment, chop wood and carry water"
in the Christian/Judaic tradition it might translate as
"before being awe struck, walk tall, after being awe struck, walk tall."

[kreagle]

just like the Apostles, Mary,...the mother of Jesus, and the rest of the "120"

That's because programs repeat themselves.

Yes Kreagle in case something got lost in translation the actual topic of the thread is about the exploration of a construct of Jesus being the enemy.

9eagle9,

You know, the title of this thread has been "very misleading", to say the least.

"If it had said,......."Charles the man/ CHARLES the Archon",.....or........"Billy the man/ BILLY the Archon",.......then I wouldn't have given this OP a "second thought."

I "thought" it had something to do with the "Jesus I knew",......and wanted "others" to know about also!!!

It didn't take long to find out that "this" OP, and the majority of the responses,.....have "very, very, little,......if anything to do with the "Jesus I know"!!

Silly me!!!

This is "what happens" when there are those who wish to eliminate, as much as possible, the quoted Word of God.

I hate to be the "bearer of bad news",......but,....."if" you don't like His quoted Word,.....then you're certainly not going to like Him, either!!!

John 1:1
King James Version (KJV)

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

and then........

14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

To "know Him" is to "love Him",........in "Word,....Spirit,.....and Truth!!"

Love and Peace,......kreagle

[9eagle9]

I didn't find the title of the thread misleading. They are two entirely different things that have been manipulated so others think they are the same thing.

This thread represents how and why that would have occurred.

Unfortunately you and your words have very little to do with how I feel or think about Jesus one way or the other and you will just have to live with that.

I see the Christian guilt lever being propped in the upright position is about all I'm observing right now.

If I am a horrible person for not believing in your version of Jesus your reality is that I am a horrible person for not believing in your version or meme of Jesus.

(shrug-shrug)

I have had Jesus the God flung at me, Jesus the man, Jesus the Alien, Jesus Captain of the GFL, Hippie Jesus, Naked Jesus, Gay Jesus, Psychodelic Jesus, Mailbu Barbie Jesus flung at me ....your Jesus is no different than those Jesus'.

[Chester]

Jay Weidner speaks of an alchemical technique for avoiding the archons in the after death experience. The technique is referred to as, creating a light body and, according to Weidner, has been practiced by alchemists for eons of time.

There is much insight into the archon phenomenon in this William Henry interview with Jay Weidner:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEVo2dddB_U&list=WLBF8D2B8D1C1C62AB&index=87&feature=plpp_video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEVo2dddB_U&list=WLBF8D2B8D1C1C62AB&index=87&feature=plpp_video

Hi observer - I saw your post last night... I began to listen to the interview quite late. I got interrupted several times and was unable to finish listening to the interview.

I went to sleep. Early in the morning I had a vivid dream where I saw someone handing me a glass of what appeared to be very thinned down blood perhaps. Then suddenly I realized it was actually urine that strangely had the component to blood in it. The urine was coming from me and I was either drinking it or supposed to drink it.

Just now I discovered the browser where I had been listening to the Jay Weidner interview and noticed I had not finished. I was at about 23:30 so I just now began to listen to the rest. At around 24:30 Jay begins to talk about the Light Body (that can be produced from an alchemical transformation) and that a particular ingredient is part of the formula - that ingredient being urine. The Light Body being the body we can transform into via the alchemical process which can overcome the archons.

Jay had just previously stated the Archons to be the very most serious problem humanity is facing. Houman's Horus-Ra thread seems to suggest this same thing and Bill Ryan has emphasized how critically important Houman's thread is. Now perhaps we can attain the Light Body through an alchemical process that includes the actual consumption of something we can ingest physically but my gut tells me that just as important (perhaps even more important) is an individual's ability to raise their consciousness.

Anyways, whenever I have experiences of highly unlikely probability such as my dream, the Weidner interview and the location I picked up again (about 1 minute prior to the discussion of the alchemical formula), I pay attention. Having said that... it is my suspicion that synchronicity has been used by archontic forces to mislead me as well. Whichever way it may be will be for me to find out, right? I just can't see playing safe... how boring.

[Katari Rose]

jesus Christ is the most powerful symbol on earth for what we are capable of as humans, given grace by God. How could such a profound symbol exist in teh human psyche the world over if it was never an actual reality at some time? Words, documents and evidence can be dstroyed and altered, knowing about Christ from personal experience is the only thing which will cease your need to prove him from a book:)

[Chester]

justoneman,

Thank you for acknowledging your error and apologizing. I told you that I would not post on your "other thread",.....and I meant it.

That doesn't mean that I haven't, at least, read some of the posts on this "other thread" titled,......"An exploration of Jesus, could he have been influenced by extra-dimensionals?

You have, consequently, admonished "others" for trying to "derail" you new thread. Let me say, here, that I wouldn't worry about this, in that, it was never on track to begin with!!

Before you "blow up",.....let me explain.

A vast majority of you, here, are trying to "get a handle on this One, we call Jesus",....without,... "FIRST, being filled with the Holy Ghost!"
...

Notice folks how the archontic forces are able to maintain the prison via unsuspecting (and likely good hearted) innocent folks. Notice the style of this post as an excellent example of archontic forces at their height. Quotes from scripture for example. Blue font... Red font... italics. The poster's style cannot help but shout at the reader. Also notice the ramp up in more posts of this nature as well as similar posts from another poster that is under the same influence.

What saddens me is that I would bet both of these posters are good folks but sadly are so heavily under the archontic spell, "they know not what they do" so I suggest we not only forgive them but that we kindly point out the likelihood they are not only not helping others, they are actually one of the rank and file prison guards that have humanity trapped in this mind prison.

justoneview

[9eagle9]

Then it just reduced down to me being an enemy of Jesus in THEIR book.

Archonic energies are only enemies if one doesn't understand the nature of how they operate. Understanding the psyche nature of how we operate certainly helps us to understands how they operate and thus can be avoided.

Its rather like avoiding the cops. If you want to avoid the cops don't drive 120 miles an hour through their speed traps.

[Chester]

Say it in your own words. That's the Spirit working. He doesn't defer to cut and paste. It's there in your own words. That's where I need to hear it.

I'd really like to get to know the REAL you. I hope there's a real 'new' you, but I know that it can't exclude the mechanics and vernacular of the old one.
What you have to say about the experience. That 'upper room' thing sounds compelling.


Exactly markpierre. You said what I was unable to say - my way was a veiled attack (a bit immature) but you have expressed the same thing I wanted to - to both RedeZra and kreagle - and why? Because if I hear truth from them in their own words, I trust them and then guess what happens. They are then capable of helping me further develop myself such that those with whom I am in contact are further benefited.

But if they cannot express in their own words and from their actual experience without having to drag out the bible quotes or the impossible to refute testimony of other 3rd party testimonies, then it says to me they lack the confidence in their own actual experiences and so why, then, would I trust they have a clue in the first place?

So thanks markpierre for the super excellent point. justone

[Chester]

9eagle9,

You know, the title of this thread has been "very misleading", to say the least.

"If it had said,......."Charles the man/ CHARLES the Archon",.....or........"Billy the man/ BILLY the Archon",.......then I wouldn't have given this OP a "second thought."

I "thought" it had something to do with the "Jesus I knew",......and wanted "others" to know about also!!!

It didn't take long to find out that "this" OP, and the majority of the responses,.....have "very, very, little,......if anything to do with the "Jesus I know"!!
...

This thread has everything to do with Jesus as he is commonly and more fully known as Jesus Christ. I found many dozens of posts that were filled with Christ consciousness expressed individually. I am sorry that you seemed to miss those posts.

Anyways, the title of the thread is restricted by title length. If I had more room I may have included "Jesus the Christ example." Perhaps I left that one out hoping the thread will fill that hole without prompting (which it seems to have done dozens of times).

One thing that this thread succeeded in doing was to bring out the JESUS the Archon folks.

Another interesting possibility that has been explored in this thread is the - Yeshua the possible hybrid alien.

I already see this thread as quite successful and I have received several PMs of appreciation and additional information some are perhaps hesitant to post as it just seems to excite the archontically influenced posters.

justone

[Chester]

Then it just reduced down to me being an enemy of Jesus in THEIR book.

Archonic energies are only enemies if one doesn't understand the nature of how they operate. Understanding the psyche nature of how we operate certainly helps us to understands how they operate and thus can be avoided.

Its rather like avoiding the cops. If you want to avoid the cops don't drive 120 miles an hour through their speed traps.

my problem is I like driving 120 hahaha and I like kicking archontic butt too.

[observer]

Jay Weidner speaks of an alchemical technique for avoiding the archons in the after death experience. The technique is referred to as, creating a light body and, according to Weidner, has been practiced by alchemists for eons of time.

There is much insight into the archon phenomenon in this William Henry interview with Jay Weidner:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEVo2dddB_U&list=WLBF8D2B8D1C1C62AB&index=87&feature=plpp_video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEVo2dddB_U&list=WLBF8D2B8D1C1C62AB&index=87&feature=plpp_video

Hi observer - I saw your post last night... I began to listen to the interview quite late. I got interrupted several times and was unable to finish listening to the interview.

I went to sleep. Early in the morning I had a vivid dream where I saw someone handing me a glass of what appeared to be very thinned down blood perhaps. Then suddenly I realized it was actually urine that strangely had the component to blood in it. The urine was coming from me and I was either drinking it or supposed to drink it.

Just now I discovered the browser where I had been listening to the Jay Weidner interview and noticed I had not finished. I was at about 23:30 so I just now began to listen to the rest. At around 24:30 Jay begins to talk about the Light Body (that can be produced from an alchemical transformation) and that a particular ingredient is part of the formula - that ingredient being urine. The Light Body being the body we can transform into via the alchemical process which can overcome the archons.

Jay had just previously stated the Archons to be the very most serious problem humanity is facing. Houman's Horus-Ra thread seems to suggest this same thing and Bill Ryan has emphasized how critically important Houman's thread is. Now perhaps we can attain the Light Body through an alchemical process that includes the actual consumption of something we can ingest physically but my gut tells me that just as important (perhaps even more important) is an individual's ability to raise their consciousness.

Anyways, whenever I have experiences of highly unlikely probability such as my dream, the Weidner interview and the location I picked up again (about 1 minute prior to the discussion of the alchemical formula), I pay attention. Having said that... it is my suspicion that synchronicity has been used by archontic forces to mislead me as well. Whichever way it may be will be for me to find out, right? I just can't see playing safe... how boring.

It has long been my personal conclusion, justoneman, that the process of reincarnation, otherwise known as that ass-biting loop of birth-death-rebirth, is nothing more than a Soul Harvesting operation. I base this conclusion on the fact that very few of us recall a single thing of any former lifetime, yet the fact that most of us were here before is undeniable. The evidence for this is overwhelming.

That which is recognized as our eternal soul is harvested for the essence we have nurtured over the course of our lifetime, and a seed of our former soul is replanted in a new body to grow a new essence.... all for the reptilian life forms that control this prison planet as a soul farm.

I have dedicated my entire adult life to gaining an understanding of how this particular reality works, and this is my conclusion to date. I could bore the readers with thousands of hours of documentation, but for the sake of this dissertation, I'll forgo the links.

Throughout our known history, the Light of Love has been depicted as golden. There are many examples of this, but suffice it to mention here, halos, and sun gods.

It's my conclusion that the white light, and blue light, and indigo light so many archonic/reptilian influenced dogma refer to, is a false light and part of the soul-trap.

I believe the 'Light Body' that Weidner is referring to is golden in color. These are my conclusions, alone. I'm not presenting this as any sort of expert on this subject. Do with this information what you will....

-update-
Many years ago I read that the Philosopher's Stone was made by dehydrating urine into a white powder.

There is also the possibility that the white powder of monatomic gold is the Philosopher's Stone.

These are just two possibilities....

[9eagle9]

With the intention of writing a futuristic novella that was scientific in nature,I stumbled across the very thing that you did Observer.

Souls that were harvested to run a planet, a orbiting space station. The critical piece that arises from the varied details is that has been done with our agreement. Not conscious agreement perhaps but by making that agreement.

[heyokah]

It's interesting to read how Gurdjeiff thought about "soul harvesting"

From Lunacy & Feeding the Moon (http://www.zeropoint.ca/ZPT-Lunacy.html)

“The moon at present feeds on organic life, on humanity ... this means that humanity is food for the moon. If all men were to become too intelligent they would not want to be eaten by the moon.” (Gurdjieff, in Ouspensky, 1949, p. 57)

The term soul is used here to refer to the fine matter/energies that serve as the vital or animating principle within the body. In a human, the soul may be highly underdeveloped, in which case it has few psychic properties. Gurdjieff portrays the fate of such souls eaten by the moon:

“The souls that go to the moon, possessing perhaps even a certain amount of consciousness and memory, find themselves there under ninety-six laws, in the conditions of mineral life, or to put it differently, in conditions from which there is no escape apart from a general evolution in immeasurably long planetary cycles. The moon is ‘at the extremity,’ at the end of the world; it is the ‘outer darkness’ of the Christian doctrine ‘where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’” (1949, p. 85)
In Beelzebub’s Tales, G. explains that many of the woes which have befallen humanity, relate to an early cosmic catastrophe which occurred when a comet collided with the earth and broke off two fragments, the moon and a secondary moon unknown to us. After this, the sacred vibrations Askokin were required to be sent to the moons in order to maintain them. However, as humans developed, the possibility was raised that they might attain Objective Reason, as usually occurs among three-brained beings within other solar systems. In this case, they would realize the “stupendous terror” of their position–that by their existence, their lives and death, they are simply maintaining the moon. If humans realized the horror of the situation and their slavery to the moon, they might “be unwilling to continue their existence and would on principle destroy themselves.” (1950, p. 88) It was for this reason, that the accursed organ Kundabuffer was implanted in humans, so that they would perceive reality topsy-turvy and be conditioned simply by sensations of pleasure and enjoyment.
Although the organ kundabuffer was latter removed, its effects on humankind’s psyche had become crystallized in their presences, and passed from generation to generation. A number of particularly destructive processes were then observed on planet earth, including increases in the birthrate and the emergence of warfare–the process of reciprocal destruction. Beelzebub describes this horror to his grandson:

“... it was possible sometimes to observe very strange manifestations of theirs, that is, from time to time they did something which was never done by three-brained beings on other planets, namely, they would suddenly, without rhyme or reason, begin destroying one another’s existence. ... from this horrible process of theirs their numbers rapidly diminished ... .” (1950, p. 91)
Wars and animal sacrifice are particularly horrific processes which produce a surplus of the Sacred Askokin vibrations, threatening not only the evolution of the moon and its atmosphere, but also, the broader cosmic harmony.
Beelzebub explains that although the moon eventually became stabilised, varied Most High Sacred Individuals then made other cosmic adjustments in order that the Sacred Askokin be produced through other means. In particular, this sacred substance exists in a state blended with two other sacred substances “Abrustdonis” and “Helkdonis,” but must be released in order to feed the moon. These substances are in fact those substances by which the Kesdjan (or astral) body and the mental body (or the body of the Soul) are formed and perfected. Unfortunately again, these sacred substances are only separated through being efforts–conscious labours and intentional sufferings, or being Parktdolg duties, which are seldom fulfilled given the general degradation of the human psyche and the deterioration of the quality of vibrations given off by humankind.

And so, woe to humanity, through the processes of reciprocal destruction, declining longevity and death, the poor souls produce the vibrations required to maintain the moons. The souls feed the moon and the nuts become fertilizer. The inner cosmos of a human being is intimately connected with the larger cosmos of the solar system and even the universe.

[RedeZra]

What saddens me is that I would bet both of these posters are good folks but sadly are so heavily under the archontic spell, "they know not what they do" so I suggest we not only forgive them but that we kindly point out the likelihood they are not only not helping others, they are actually one of the rank and file prison guards that have humanity trapped in this mind prison.



buddy have you broken the archontic spell and now feel free to tell who is under the spell

do you know the meaning of life ?


the Bible provides a coherent explanation about the Creator and the creation

backed up by facts artifacts and testimonies


God did not leave us in the dark but spelled it out for us in the Scripture

[heyokah]

What saddens me is that I would bet both of these posters are good folks but sadly are so heavily under the archontic spell, "they know not what they do" so I suggest we not only forgive them but that we kindly point out the likelihood they are not only not helping others, they are actually one of the rank and file prison guards that have humanity trapped in this mind prison.



buddy have you broken the archontic spell and now feel free to tell who is under the spell

do you know the meaning of life ?


the Bible provides a coherent explanation about the Creator and the creation

backed up by facts artifacts and testimonies


God did not leave us in the dark but spelled it out for us in the Scripture


Dear brother,

Isn't it the meaning of life, at this very moment, for you to go on a holiday again, for at least a month?
You could take a good book with you perhaps.

Love,
Sister heyokah

[observer]

It's interesting to read how Gurdjeiff thought about "soul harvesting"

From Lunacy & Feeding the Moon (http://www.zeropoint.ca/ZPT-Lunacy.html)

“The moon at present feeds on organic life, on humanity ... this means that humanity is food for the moon. If all men were to become too intelligent they would not want to be eaten by the moon.” (Gurdjieff, in Ouspensky, 1949, p. 57)
[....snip]


Thank you heyokah for pointing-out that Gurdjieff was reporting soul harvesting activities on the moon.

This is collaborating evidence to what John Lear is reporting regarding the "Soul Catcher" on the Moon. John has said in several interviews there is a 5 mile high tower in Sinus Medii (LO-3-84M) on the Moon that always points directly at the Earth.

Nigel Kerner is another researcher who speaks of the soul harvesting operation on the Moon.

Both John and Nigel attribute the operation to the grays, but we are all aware these gray aliens are merely biological robots under control of the reptiles/archons.

[9eagle9]

Yeah really JustOne, its not like you have to tell us; we can see it for ourselves!




What saddens me is that I would bet both of these posters are good folks but sadly are so heavily under the archontic spell, "they know not what they do" so I suggest we not only forgive them but that we kindly point out the likelihood they are not only not helping others, they are actually one of the rank and file prison guards that have humanity trapped in this mind prison.



buddy have you broken the archontic spell and now feel free to tell who is under the spell

do you know the meaning of life ?


the Bible provides a coherent explanation about the Creator and the creation

backed up by facts artifacts and testimonies


God did not leave us in the dark but spelled it out for us in the Scripture

[observer]

[....snip]
the Bible provides a coherent explanation about the Creator and the creation

backed up by facts artifacts and testimonies (emphasis added by observer)


God did not leave us in the dark but spelled it out for us in the Scripture

Dear Red, my brother,

I have been following your threads all the way back to the Old Avalon Forum. I have offered you many opportunities to seek a better understanding of Biblical History with many hours of links to theologically sound Biblical interpretations for your review, as have many others on this forum. Your response has regularly been that you don't bother to read alternate Biblical interpretations.


The record available to anyone living within this reality validates not one single "fact" found in the Bible.
In all you have commented, in all the threads in which you participate, you have not offered one single credible "artifact" that in any way validates YOUR fundamentalists interpretation of the Bible.
And the "testimonies" you refer to are all based in faith, not in fact.


As cloudno7 so eloquently pointed-out in your Bible Thread, "it's just a book"

GBLyvp0_00w
So, from the depth of my heart, and with all the love I can express,
please, "sit-down, it's just a book".

[RedeZra]

Dear brother,

Isn't it the meaning of life, at this very moment, for you to go on a holiday again, for at least a month?
You could take a good book with you perhaps.

Love,
Sister heyokah


i would love to break your brainwashing

but the devil has done a good job

so i don't think i can


and i don't think you will

[9eagle9]

Your god then isn't as all powerful as you'd like to 'think' then eh?

Devil wins again.

This is what we get for thinking....

[Hervé]

As for the Moon, who knows if many of the "DUMBs" are not in fact located THERE?

Especially when considering that one just needs to step into an "elevator" to find oneself stepping out of it at Pine gap or somewhere on Mars....

Here, from someone who "visited" there:


[...]

From someone who's been there, done that... Ingo Swann in his book "Penetration (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_telepathy.htm)":




As I have discussed in other writings, I have always been interested in Psi phenomena, and beginning in 1970 it chanced that opportunities to extend that interest in depth were made available. Anyone with more than a mere superficial interest in Psi phenomena must of course encounter the rather smelly morass of social resistance whereby the authenticity of those phenomena are methodically deconstructed, thus suspending them in doubt.

This social resistance, even if smelly, has largely been successful in destroying all concerted approaches to Psi phenomena. This success is specifically active within high strata of societal power, and which strata are otherwise entirely disinterested in what lesser mortals DO experience along these lines. Why it is that governing societal factors need to deconstruct the provable existence of at least some vital Psi phenomena is therefore something that needs to be examined and understood.

Along these lines of inquiry, the existence and methods of the machinations against Psi development can easily be brought to light. But the reasons that govern the implementation of the machinations none the less remain obscured.

Thus, the societal resistance to Psi breaks neatly into two aspects:

· to prevent Psi development
· to keep obscure the actual reasons for doing so

One reason for the blanket suppression which has been offered up by many before me is that effective formats of Psi would disturb any number of social institutions. Those institutions would feel “threatened” by developed formats of, say, telepathy, which might thereafter be utilized to penetrate their secrets.

[...]

As it happened, however, the events described in Part One of this book occurred beginning in 1975. These are the events I can’t prove. None the less they made somewhat visible another possible aspect that might be factored into the odiferous suppression of Psi that was already familiar to me.

This aspect required that I introduce two unusual terms: Earth-side and Space-side.

These refer, of course, to Earth-side intelligence and Space-side intelligence. The central hypothesis of this book is that if developed Psi potentials would be an invasive threat to Earth-side intelligences, then developed Earth-side Psi would also be a threat to Space-side intelligences. After all, in that telepathy, for example, is invasively defined as reading minds, the distinction between reading Earth-side minds and Space-side minds would be very narrow.

The only real problem in considering this is whether or not Space-siders exist.

[...]

In accumulating this information package, it became possible for me to make the following and quite basic observation, an observation that is easy enough to substantiate.

Telepathy is the most forbidden element of Earth-side consciousness. Indeed, so forbidden that Science would rather accept reincarnation, the existence of the soul, and life after death - PROVIDED those situations DID NOT include any telepathic possibility.

[...]

The work (in developing remote viewing) was largely funded by the U.S. intelligence agencies. Because of this, many Washington types and many noted scientists visited SRI. Very many of them met only with my colleagues, and refused to meet little Moi, so much so that they would not even take lunch with me.

The reason: “Jesús, he can read my mind! I can’t let him get anywhere near me.”

This quote is NOT paraphrased. One of the amusing aspects of this is that IF telepathy is what it is, then one not needs to be in the proximity of a telepath in order to have their mind penetrated. Another amusing aspect is that the funding agencies did sponsor the secret developmental work in remote viewing (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_visionremota.htm) - somewhat on the grounds that it penetrates things, not minds.

This is to say that remote viewing pertains to penetration of “physicals,” not to penetration of “mentals.” In any event, the principal reason why ALL formats of Psi research are marginalized, treated to energetic diminishment, or suppressed altogether is that those formats do include potentials too near the hated and unwanted telepathic faculties. So, the whole barn of psychic research must be burnt down as quickly as possible, making sure that the telepathic horses don’t escape.

There is one notable exception to this, and one utilized for creative cover-up purposes. This exception involves the discovery of approaches to telepathy most noted either for the fact that they DO NOT work, or because they serve to disorient and defeat approaches that MIGHT work. Thus, the concept that telepathy is a mind-to-mind thing involving a sender and a receiver has been given extraordinary publicity - and has in fact become the principal Earth-side cultural model for it.


Intellectual phase-locking into this non-productive model is so intense and so widespread that Earth-siders literally cannot think of telepathy in any other way. With the exception of some few experiments in the former Soviet Union, and in the Peoples Republic of China, the sender-receiver model has not yielded anything more than slightly above-chance results.

[kreagle]

jesus Christ is the most powerful symbol on earth for what we are capable of as humans, given grace by God. How could such a profound symbol exist in teh human psyche the world over if it was never an actual reality at some time? Words, documents and evidence can be dstroyed and altered, knowing about Christ from personal experience is the only thing which will cease your need to prove him from a book:)

Katari Rose,

I couldn't agree with you more.

We also would not have seen such "vicious and prolonged" attacks on His Word,.....if It wasn't as "factual" and "Heavenly Inspired" as It has always been! If it were,....."just another book",......It would have been destroyed and buried forever from the "memories of mankind". Has mankind,.....by satanic means,....endeavored to "change it",...."water it down", etc.? Yes,.....yes,.....and again,....yes, indeed. Thanks to God,.....He has still given us a "pure version",.....available to the "hungry",.....despite the best efforts of the Vatican and other evil forces.

Love and Peace,......kreagle

[Hervé]

As for "soul harvesting" there is a handy-dandy way of achieving it (see this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit&p=494088&viewfull=1#post494088)):


Remember these?:




[...]

From my sketchbook: The Stasis Tubes

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-RIKdu3hC_T8/T0cy8VhKvlI/AAAAAAAADss/N1c44Hy2_xQ/s640/100_0272_0012.JPG
[...]
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-zZvLrA9dhAs/TsIe8sn_IBI/AAAAAAAAC_s/EK-7QJTlUoc/s640/9dcbbd275005.jpg

Clearly, there is ample evidence of the existence of these stasis tubes.

[...]



I am glad these "memories" are finally surfacing all over the place in which abductees often run into their "clone(s)" in one or more of these "stasis tubes".

Well, there is a slightly different perspective on these containers and their uses.

A perspective that has been ridiculed, trampled with scoffing criticisms; in short cointelpro-ed by any and all means available to the letter agencies and others when the truthful reality of something is closely approached, as exhibited with whistle blowers or the battles of debunkings / counter-debunking displayed all over the world-wide-web.

Keep the above in mind when running into the name of the author of the following first published in 1952!:



Bodies in pawn (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incident_(Scientology)#Bodies_in_pawn)

Bodies in pawn (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incident_(Scientology)#Bodies_in_pawn) result from an ancient "very gruesome experience" in which:

a fellow is grabbed, hypnotized, shoved into an electronic field, and then told he is somewhere else. And so he departs—most of him—and goes to the new location while still being under control of the implanters. He picks up a MEST [Matter-Energy-Space-Time = physical] body in the new location and starts living a life there, while still having a living body somewhere else. The implanters can keep his original body alive indefinitely, and control the thetan through it. If the thetan tries to flee, the hypnotizers simply cause pain to the original body, still alive in a vat of fluid, and he is immediately recalled. That's a BODY IN PAWN. It's a second body you may have, living somewhere else, right in present time. But the second body is not under YOUR direct control.
(Source magazine #105, pg.39, 1997; see also Hubbard, Research and Discovery Series vol. 10)
They can apparently cause major problems for people undergoing medical operations, as "pain, an anaesthetic or a serious accident cause him to change to the other area with a shocking impact on the other body. The other body quite commonly dies or is deranged by the sudden impact." This gives the patient a repressed feeling of having died and leaves him "very, very badly disturbed." (Scientology: A History of Man)

Now, that perspective gives off a wealth of clues regarding:


Voodoo
Parallel universes
NDEs
Time lines
Soul transfers
Add your own...
Voodoo: Where would one think the idea of pocking needles and nails into a substitute body to keep the intended recipient in line comes from?

Parallel universes: Having memories of living in two or more places at the same time.

NDEs: "Sorry pal, you've got to go back to that messed up body of yours because something happened to the one we had here... the container broke...."

Soul transfers: Easy as pie: Standard Political Operating Procedure... with post-hypnotic commands of misbehaving with the new walk-in body: "Go take control of the body of that president's wife and get her to like having s&x with little boys and girls and we'll get your husband from here to do the same with your new husband over there so we can blackmail them all." The internecine battles of secret societies....

Sci-Fi? Think again! Where do you think most of these Sci-Fi writers get their "inspirations" from? Particularly the popular ones, since they strike a few resonant chords in most people long memory.

Think of the many "super-soldiers" now coming out from under the woodpile and recounting their "dream-state" intense training in which there is no fear of anything whatsoever.

It seems to me that that's the technology that was imparted to the militaries of this planet, the ones dreaming of perfect robotic soldiers with no fear to die... hey, they've got a spare body somewhere!


Now, for the main difficulty most researchers in that field are unaware of.

The major difficulty, apart from screen memories, is that similar experiences get all lumped up together in one individual's mind. Hence there might be an actual current happening of abductions getting mixed up with past ones as recounted by Truman Cash... or not. But the now widespread reporting of UFO and abduction occurrences may be enough to strike those resonant chords of past long memories and bring them to the here and now for the individual, triggering them into enactment of past traumas.

So, for those following this thread, welcome to the mind's mine field!

So... soul havesting doesn't seem to be a problem since one is automatically drawn back to that other "body" or piece of possesion and manipulated through it.

Probably the origin of that "detachment" philosophy advocated to end the endless cycle of birth-life-death... rinse memory / repeat.

Technological voodoo if you ask me.

[observer]

It's almost as if we were in a Monty Python sketch. We're trying our best to have a rational discussion regarding archons, and a gaggle of Vikings keep piping-in, spam, spam, spam:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anwy2MPT5RE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anwy2MPT5RE

My sentiments go with the waitress behind the counter....

[jorr lundstrom]

There seem to be humans who experience divinity without any

religious hero to give the credit for the experience. And there

seem be those who cant even imagine divinity without a perso-

nality. Ive only expeienced divinity as an unpersonal tremendous

field. Im very glad that I have no image of a person to project

into my experiencing. There seem to be a basic idea that you

dont create images of the divine, even if its common in many

religions. Some buddhist have a saying: "If you meet buddha

on the way, kill him immedeatly, otherwise he will kill you.

In christianity it seems to be very important to have a strong

image of Jesus as there are images all over. This is very

dangerous as when you die, and leave the physical body you

take that image with you. Any being you meet can mirror

that image and capture you. Jesus is only a pawn in the game.

The schamans know this and

give the identity they have created themselves from their

imagined lifestory to consciusness instead of their awareness

and transcend consciousness into infinite freedom.

I think this is one of the best kept secrets in christianity, kept

secret for obvious reasons for those who knows ie those who

have made the journey into infinity with their awareness not

polluted with any images.


I did like Dylan in his early years, when he didnt have a clue

wot he sang about. LOL



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEAV6KeI-oo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEAV6KeI-oo


All is well


Jorr

[heyokah]

Dear brother,

Isn't it the meaning of life, at this very moment, for you to go on a holiday again, for at least a month?
You could take a good book with you perhaps.

Love,
Sister heyokah


i would love to break your brainwashing

but the devil has done a good job

so i don't think i can


and i don't think you will

OK, here we go, for the last time.

I will follow my own advice

Na675QXAtS4

[observer]

As for "soul harvesting" there is a handy-dandy way of achieving it (see this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit&p=494088&viewfull=1#post494088)):
[....snip]


Not only what Houman posted, Amer Zo, but how about the embalming and burial process required by law here in most of the U.S. And, what do you think the mummification process of the Egyptians (and many other ancient civilizations) was all about.

The bodies in containers found in the hives of those archons are just another example of how our souls are trapped in this particular reality.... some by choice, others by circumstance.

It's all different perspectives on the same phenomenon.

[ThePythonicCow]

fine i have said what is in my heart so i leave this thread to you
Good idea :).

Different threads examine different view points ... you've posted some 35 posts on this thread with your alternative view point. That's quite enough I think. Thanks.

[jorr lundstrom]

Yes justoneman. We can all see the work of the archons in

this thread. And as I said before, if there was a pill against

stupidity, it would be hard to convince the ones who really

needed one to take one. This thread is very similar to the

thread that exposes DW:s groupies. LOL

Dont be the star in your own life. Project it on DW, Jesus,

Lady Gaga or whosoever. LOL Speaking about archontic

forces. And easily fooled people.


All is well


Jorr

[Chester]

It has long been my personal conclusion, justoneman, that the process of reincarnation, otherwise known as that ass-biting loop of birth-death-rebirth, is nothing more than a Soul Harvesting operation. I base this conclusion on the fact that very few of us recall a single thing of any former lifetime, yet the fact that most of us were here before is undeniable. The evidence for this is overwhelming.

That which is recognized as our eternal soul is harvested for the essence we have nurtured over the course of our lifetime, and a seed of our former soul is replanted in a new body to grow a new essence.... all for the reptilian life forms that control this prison planet as a soul farm.

I have dedicated my entire adult life to gaining an understanding of how this particular reality works, and this is my conclusion to date. I could bore the readers with thousands of hours of documentation, but for the sake of this dissertation, I'll forgo the links.

Throughout our known history, the Light of Love has been depicted as golden. There are many examples of this, but suffice it to mention here, halos, and sun gods.

It's my conclusion that the white light, and blue light, and indigo light so many archonic/reptilian influenced dogma refer to, is a false light and part of the soul-trap.

I believe the 'Light Body' that Weidner is referring to is golden in color. These are my conclusions, alone. I'm not presenting this as any sort of expert on this subject. Do with this information what you will....

-update-
Many years ago I read that the Philosopher's Stone was made by dehydrating urine into a white powder.

There is also the possibility that the white powder of monatomic gold is the Philosopher's Stone.

These are just two possibilities....

Fascinating post - if someone held a gun to my head and told me I had to make a bet, yes or no, as to earth being nothing but a soul harvesting prison planet loosh farm, I would bet YES.

In year 2001 I had an aura picture done. It was taken at a time I was having massive psi experiences and was involved with miraculous events in one form or another. I was at a peak point, bordering psychosis and was about to go through a complete "book of Job" cleansing of everything dear to me in my life.

The colors of my aura picture were white, blue and indigo.

Looking back I was definitely feeding the loosh eaters with some high quality nourishment (from their POV).

Speaking of the Moon in particular, how uncanny is it that the Moon covers the sun (in a complete solar eclipse) perfectly? Just coincidence that the size of the Moon and the distance from earth to the sun make this perspective a perfect match? hahaha

[Chester]

Yes justoneman. We can all see the work of the archons in

this thread. And as I said before, if there was a pill against

stupidity, it would be hard to convince the ones who really

needed one to take one. This thread is very similar to the

thread that exposes DW:s groupies. LOL

Dont be the star in your own life. Project it on DW, Jesus,

Lady Gaga or whosoever. LOL Speaking about archontic

forces. And easily fooled people.


All is well


Jorr

I will be very glad though to admit this... perhaps those who have read enough of my posts know that I have lived a life quite challenging to the accepted reality. And did this in such a wide open manner that I was clearly providing high quality nourishment to these archontic forces.

What I am getting at is this - if I have been a high dollar menu item for these parasites and suddenly discovered that no, I am not some Christ savior being on April 26th 2012, then how clean am I today of these same influences? I must be crawling with the creepy goo. The difference is that at least I now see how I allowed myself to be deceived and just like an alcoholic that admits (finally) that they are an alcoholic, I have a long long road for recovery.

So sometimes my posts will reveal i am still being influenced and I think the key to seeing that is when I become aggressive with a few posts and posters here.

I have an appointment for a 5 hour session with a regression therapist on June the 4th. Mark Johnson is his name. He will be recording the session as well. I promise to give an honest detailed report as to whatever comes up out of that session.

I apologize to the good folks on this forum that I sometimes become aggressive with, especially RedeZra and keagle who are super good folk trying their best to help this world become a better place.

justone

[9eagle9]

Fascinating AND disturbing .

Makes one wonder about the vivid dreams they have of being in another place, doing entirely different things, being an entirely different person (but you are still you) and then waking up to wonder why and how an alternative life that has nothing to do with you could be so vividly accounted for.

Not to mention its marked resemblance to the human battery pods in the Matrix.

As for "soul harvesting" there is a handy-dandy way of achieving it (see this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit&p=494088&viewfull=1#post494088)):


Remember these?:




[...]

From my sketchbook: The Stasis Tubes

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-RIKdu3hC_T8/T0cy8VhKvlI/AAAAAAAADss/N1c44Hy2_xQ/s640/100_0272_0012.JPG
[...]
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-zZvLrA9dhAs/TsIe8sn_IBI/AAAAAAAAC_s/EK-7QJTlUoc/s640/9dcbbd275005.jpg

Clearly, there is ample evidence of the existence of these stasis tubes.

[...]



I am glad these "memories" are finally surfacing all over the place in which abductees often run into their "clone(s)" in one or more of these "stasis tubes".

Well, there is a slightly different perspective on these containers and their uses.

A perspective that has been ridiculed, trampled with scoffing criticisms; in short cointelpro-ed by any and all means available to the letter agencies and others when the truthful reality of something is closely approached, as exhibited with whistle blowers or the battles of debunkings / counter-debunking displayed all over the world-wide-web.

Keep the above in mind when running into the name of the author of the following first published in 1952!:



Bodies in pawn (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incident_(Scientology)#Bodies_in_pawn)

Bodies in pawn (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incident_(Scientology)#Bodies_in_pawn) result from an ancient "very gruesome experience" in which:

a fellow is grabbed, hypnotized, shoved into an electronic field, and then told he is somewhere else. And so he departs—most of him—and goes to the new location while still being under control of the implanters. He picks up a MEST [Matter-Energy-Space-Time = physical] body in the new location and starts living a life there, while still having a living body somewhere else. The implanters can keep his original body alive indefinitely, and control the thetan through it. If the thetan tries to flee, the hypnotizers simply cause pain to the original body, still alive in a vat of fluid, and he is immediately recalled. That's a BODY IN PAWN. It's a second body you may have, living somewhere else, right in present time. But the second body is not under YOUR direct control.
(Source magazine #105, pg.39, 1997; see also Hubbard, Research and Discovery Series vol. 10)
They can apparently cause major problems for people undergoing medical operations, as "pain, an anaesthetic or a serious accident cause him to change to the other area with a shocking impact on the other body. The other body quite commonly dies or is deranged by the sudden impact." This gives the patient a repressed feeling of having died and leaves him "very, very badly disturbed." (Scientology: A History of Man)

Now, that perspective gives off a wealth of clues regarding:


Voodoo
Parallel universes
NDEs
Time lines
Soul transfers
Add your own...
Voodoo: Where would one think the idea of pocking needles and nails into a substitute body to keep the intended recipient in line comes from?

Parallel universes: Having memories of living in two or more places at the same time.

NDEs: "Sorry pal, you've got to go back to that messed up body of yours because something happened to the one we had here... the container broke...."

Soul transfers: Easy as pie: Standard Political Operating Procedure... with post-hypnotic commands of misbehaving with the new walk-in body: "Go take control of the body of that president's wife and get her to like having s&x with little boys and girls and we'll get your husband from here to do the same with your new husband over there so we can blackmail them all." The internecine battles of secret societies....

Sci-Fi? Think again! Where do you think most of these Sci-Fi writers get their "inspirations" from? Particularly the popular ones, since they strike a few resonant chords in most people long memory.

Think of the many "super-soldiers" now coming out from under the woodpile and recounting their "dream-state" intense training in which there is no fear of anything whatsoever.

It seems to me that that's the technology that was imparted to the militaries of this planet, the ones dreaming of perfect robotic soldiers with no fear to die... hey, they've got a spare body somewhere!


Now, for the main difficulty most researchers in that field are unaware of.

The major difficulty, apart from screen memories, is that similar experiences get all lumped up together in one individual's mind. Hence there might be an actual current happening of abductions getting mixed up with past ones as recounted by Truman Cash... or not. But the now widespread reporting of UFO and abduction occurrences may be enough to strike those resonant chords of past long memories and bring them to the here and now for the individual, triggering them into enactment of past traumas.

So, for those following this thread, welcome to the mind's mine field!

So... soul havesting doesn't seem to be a problem since one is automatically drawn back to that other "body" or piece of possesion and manipulated through it.

Probably the origin of that "detachment" philosophy advocated to end the endless cycle of birth-life-death... rinse memory / repeat.

Technological voodoo if you ask me.

[Hervé]

Fascinating AND disturbing .

Makes one wonder about the vivid dreams they have of being in another place, doing entirely different things, being an entirely different person (but you are still you) and then waking up to wonder why and how an alternative life that has nothing to do with you could be so vividly accounted for.

Not to mention its marked resemblance to the human battery pods in the Matrix.

As for "soul harvesting" there is a handy-dandy way of achieving it (see this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit&p=494088&viewfull=1#post494088)):

[...]




Indeed!

Then people start making up convoluted universes and torsional dimensions and Rubic's cube planes of existence...

[9eagle9]

Not to mention walk ins.

Oh .and the movie Avatar.

I had just recently begun entertaining the notion of the very thing occuring --someone existing in Paris and in America at the same time. More for novelesque reasons than serious research. It's not very much one step removed from identity assumption as it pertains to brainwash.

I dont' have vivid dream recall although I used to, but you know the time zone thing would help account for doing something like that. For some reason I've got myself hung up on the notion of sleeping now. What the hell is going on while we are sleeping ? Do we REALLY know..and because of the time zone difference it would easily assist in a scenario where one self could be snoozing in Australian and the other self playing polo in Miami . I know there's holes in this but I'm musing....

I've never been under anesthesia myself so have no experience of that (thank you god) and have had a unsettling mild phobia about it my whole life , like its always been something I've wanted to avoid since I was a young child. I had a minor outpatient surgical procedure in my 20's and declined general a general knock out for that reason.

Dreaming of Screaming; Someone kicked me out of my mind." System of a Down.

Or worse


gC-sC8DB4aU

SOAD is not the most heartwarming band but they come up some 'out there' concepts that are in alignment with the topic of this thread (if one can hear through the screaming) but better known for social and spiritual commentary.

[jorr lundstrom]

According to the Sophia myth told by the Gnostics from their seeings,

when Sophia plunged from the Galactic center (the Pleroma) to

the Earth and became the Earth, the Archons was created as a

by- product in the process, from mistake seen from the view of

Sophia. Well, were they a mistake seen from the view of source

or were they placed here as a challege for the luminous child, a

tool ie something to transcend as a part of growt? In christianity

we have the victim/ perpetrator problem described, and the advice

is to forgive the perpetrator. If we forgive the perpetrators we have

accepted to become the next perpetrator.We have all seen wot this

leads to. Christians who have forgiven their perpetrators

perpetrating various non.christian groups all over the planet.

This is one of the mainreasons for this F"""""d up state of the

world today. The former victims becoming the new perpetrators.

One projection we have to take back is our ruthlessness ie we have

to take out the perpetrators, evolving into beings greater than the

victim/ perpetrator duality. This process is shown by the heroes in

movies like " The Hitchhiker" and "Apocalypse Now". By the end of

the day there are no other way of dealing with those forces. Of

course well programmed people will argue that if we do that we will

become like the perpetrators. Thats not true. We will become far

greater than that actually, in transcending that duality.

The luminous child have real power, the archons have no real

power, not more than we give them. Hunting for power or

handling the power you already have is two totally different

things.


All is well


Jorr

[jorr lundstrom]

LOL Eagle. No we normally dont have a clue wots going on while

we are sleeping. After having a lot of lucid dreams I can tell I,

probably we visits different places in time and space, including

wot is usally refered to other densities. meeting unusual beings

communicating telepathically and so on. LOL


All is well


Jorr

[Hervé]

[...]

One projection we have to take back is our ruthlessness ie we have

to take out the perpetrators, evolving into beings greater than the

victim/ perpetrator duality. This process is shown by the heroes in

movies like " The Hitchhiker" and "Apocalypse Now". By the end of

the day there are no other way of dealing with those forces. Of

course well programmed people will argue that if we do that we will

become like the perpetrators. Thats not true. We will become far

greater than that actually, in transcending that duality.

The luminous child have real power, the archons have no real

power, not more than we give them. Hunting for power or

handling the power you already have is two totally different

things.


All is well


Jorr

Along that vein, this is what Ho'oponopono addresses:

Taken from: http://www.idreamcatcher.com/hooponopono/ (http://www.idreamcatcher.com/hooponopono/):



When Joe Vitale met with Dr. Hew Len and asked him how exactly he managed to heal these violent patients without actually seeing each of them in person, his answer was:

“I didn’t heal them. I healed part of myself that created them”. To me that was the most fundamental revelation to date. That phrase alone explains the most important presumption of Ho’oponopono:

You are 100% responsible for everything. Everything and everywhere! And it means not only your personal screwups and your personal successes. If means if someone somewhere did something and you became aware of that – you are 100% responsible for that.

Ho’oponopono is not your free ticket to guilt trip. Being 100% responsible is not the same as feeling infinitely guilty for miseries. It’s reminder of your creative powers and gentle welcome to return back to your inner nature. That is to Zero. Joe Vitale wrote a great book on the subject called Zero Limits. When you returning back to your most inner nature – to Zero – everything becomes available to you effortlessly and you are being driven by inspiration from Divinity, not by petty ego wants. Ho’oponopono’s Zero is the same thing that Eckhart Tolle names Unmanifested.

Back to practical reality – let assume that Zero is the next great thing after sliced bread. Or even before sliced bread. Whatever. How do we get to that “magical” state? What exactly needed to be done?

This is achieved by constant cleaning process. Cleaning is the actual Ho’oponopono practice. Cleaning what? You clean yourself from subconscious garbage – programs that run your life without your participation.



Apparently Ho’oponopono process is very simple. Actual Ho’oponopono cleaning process consists of repetitions of the following phrases:
I Love You
Please forgive me
I am sorry
Thank you
These phrases repeated will ignite the self transformation process for the practitioner. This is exactly what Dr. Hew Len did to invite divine transformation powers for his surrounding during his work at Hawaiian mental hospital.

See also: http://educate-yourself.org/zsl/hooponopono25jul06.shtml

and http://educate-yourself.org/cn/Hooponoponoworks09jan08.shtml


Once one's slate of "creating the enemy" is cleaned of any such and there is still an "enemy" standing... well, that one is a real one to be dealt with appropriately!

The other thing I have been looking at, on the other hand, are these millenia of prayers, forgiveness, love and light and what not... to what results? Zilch! Nada.

Seems like prayers are to no avail against the post-hypnotic commands from our "dear friends" from above... or down below and which are designed to perpetuate divisions even amongst best of friends... what a world we live in!

[jorr lundstrom]

[...]

One projection we have to take back is our ruthlessness ie we have

to take out the perpetrators, evolving into beings greater than the

victim/ perpetrator duality. This process is shown by the heroes in

movies like " The Hitchhiker" and "Apocalypse Now". By the end of

the day there are no other way of dealing with those forces. Of

course well programmed people will argue that if we do that we will

become like the perpetrators. Thats not true. We will become far

greater than that actually, in transcending that duality.

The luminous child have real power, the archons have no real

power, not more than we give them. Hunting for power or

handling the power you already have is two totally different

things.


All is well


Jorr

Along that vein, this is what Ho'oponopono addresses:

Taken from: http://www.idreamcatcher.com/hooponopono/ (http://www.idreamcatcher.com/hooponopono/):



When Joe Vitale met with Dr. Hew Len and asked him how exactly he managed to heal these violent patients without actually seeing each of them in person, his answer was:

“I didn’t heal them. I healed part of myself that created them”. To me that was the most fundamental revelation to date. That phrase alone explains the most important presumption of Ho’oponopono:

You are 100% responsible for everything. Everything and everywhere! And it means not only your personal screwups and your personal successes. If means if someone somewhere did something and you became aware of that – you are 100% responsible for that.

Ho’oponopono is not your free ticket to guilt trip. Being 100% responsible is not the same as feeling infinitely guilty for miseries. It’s reminder of your creative powers and gentle welcome to return back to your inner nature. That is to Zero. Joe Vitale wrote a great book on the subject called Zero Limits. When you returning back to your most inner nature – to Zero – everything becomes available to you effortlessly and you are being driven by inspiration from Divinity, not by petty ego wants. Ho’oponopono’s Zero is the same thing that Eckhart Tolle names Unmanifested.

Back to practical reality – let assume that Zero is the next great thing after sliced bread. Or even before sliced bread. Whatever. How do we get to that “magical” state? What exactly needed to be done?

This is achieved by constant cleaning process. Cleaning is the actual Ho’oponopono practice. Cleaning what? You clean yourself from subconscious garbage – programs that run your life without your participation.



Apparently Ho’oponopono process is very simple. Actual Ho’oponopono cleaning process consists of repetitions of the following phrases:
I Love You
Please forgive me
I am sorry
Thank you
These phrases repeated will ignite the self transformation process for the practitioner. This is exactly what Dr. Hew Len did to invite divine transformation powers for his surrounding during his work at Hawaiian mental hospital.

See also: http://educate-yourself.org/zsl/hooponopono25jul06.shtml

and http://educate-yourself.org/cn/Hooponoponoworks09jan08.shtml


Once one's slate of "creating the enemy" is cleaned of any such and there is still an "enemy" standing... well, that one is a real one to be dealt with appropriately!

The other thing I have been looking at, on the other hand, are these millenia of prayers, forgiveness, love and light and what not... to what results? Zilch! Nada.

Seems like prayers are to no avail against the post-hypnotic commands from our "dear friends" from above... or down below and which are designed to perpetuate divisions even amongst best of friends... what a world we live in!


Yes, LOL


All is well


Jorr

[music]

Jesus himself said he was not the only way. He demonstrated as much in the Bible.

not so and this is an important point

Jesus is the one and only way to God


the rest are snares and deceptions

by he who decieves the whole world


without Jesus one must be very righteous

to even be considered Paradise material

When Jesus said things like "I am the way" and "none come to the father but through me", we are reading the ammended version (the disempowerment version). The meaning was and is "none come to full awareness unless they realise that, like me, they are god".

Though manifesting on planet as a male, the energy of the Christ is most definintely a feminine energy. Now, this makes sense, because we are then left with a true and valid trinity of pos/neg/magic (male/female/spirit). The vital feminine aspect was excised, first by Paul, and then by others for whom the kindest term I can think of is woman-haters. What we have by the 4th C is a religion that bears little resemblance to the truth and vitality of Christ consciousness.

Like all things, religion and (in this case) consideriation of the message of Christ consciousness is best seen as a serving suggestion only, or a way to guide us to our own contact with the god within. That is what the reformation was all about - rebellion against the patriarchy that seeks to keep us from the realisation of our full power.

[RedeZra]

i have been where you are

trying to figure things out


chuckling at Christians

quoting the Bible

as if that would help anybody


i was brainwashed

and we all were


it takes an act of God

to connect the dots

and paint the picture of reality


God knows all things

so why not ask God


what men hides

the Holy spirit sees


and there is only One

who can send the Holy spirit

to lead us into all truths


and that is Jesus Christ

[9eagle9]

If we should ask God why are you attempting to inform us?

There is only One and you are it?

Are you Holy Spirit?

If the truth only comes through Holy Spirit and God why do you invest so much time in attempting to direct us?

[RedeZra]

If the truth only comes through Holy Spirit and God why do you invest so much time in attempting to direct us?

elementary my dear eagle

i'm pointing to the solution ; )

[Carolin]

The Talmud of Jmmanuel says "Blessed are the spiritually balanced for they shall possess knowledge."

"Life And Teaching Of The Masters Of The Far East" and "The Magus Of Strovolos" are just two books that come to mind that are filled with miracles such as the ones Jesus/Jeshua/Jmmanuel created.

Mother Meera - avatar from India
Mata Amritanandamayi (Ammachi) - avatar from India
Mother Narayani - (reincarnated into a male body of Sathish Kumar) avatar from India
Sai Baba - (is still manifesting through an Ottawa man Sugreev Singh although less and less since his passing) avatar from India
Abdy Electriciteh - travels the world working with the Christ energy. Attending a session with Abdy can give you such a shine (as justoneman would call it) that your toes curl.

These are just a few individuals that I have personally met who have dedicated their lives to doing the same work as Jesus. Who knows how many more there are but God help them if they aren't born in India because they will be rediculed and probably locked up.

[RedeZra]

Mother Meera - avatar from India
Mata Amritanandamayi (Ammatchi) - avatar from India
Mother Narayani - (reincarnated into a male body of Sathish Kumar) avatar from India
Sai Baba - (is still manifesting through an Ottawa man Sugreev Singh although less and less since his passing) avatar from India
Abdy Electriciteh - travels the world working with the Christ energy. Attending a session with Abdy can give you such a shine (as justoneman would call it) that your toes curl.

Are just a few individuals that I have personally met who have dedicated their lives to doing the same work as Jesus. Who knows how many more there are but God help them if they aren't born in India because they will be rediculed and probably locked up.


the righteous who keep the Law of God are worthy of eternal life


the unrighteous who do not keep the Law of God are not worthy of eternal life

but the unrighteous got a second chance in Jesus who pinned all sins to the Cross


even the most vile sinner can keep his soul

while the lukewarm will loose it


the only solution for sinners is Jesus Christ

[9eagle9]

It's not a new solution. I certainly never expressed a disbelief in god or holy spirit, they are expressed through me not something that needs to be verbally soapboxed. Knowing god is much different than thinking about God and flathering second and third hand information about God.

God tends to disagree with you Redezra on how God should be expressed through me so take it up with God.

Much as you insist that we are lost, because we don't flog the Bible and wank off with the ranks of mainstream Christianity doesn't mean we aren't experiencing God.











If the truth only comes through Holy Spirit and God why do you invest so much time in attempting to direct us?

elementary my dear eagle

i'm pointing to the solution ; )

[RedeZra]

Much as you insist that we are lost, because we don't flog the Bible and wank off with the ranks of mainstream Christianity doesn't mean we aren't experiencing God.



yes it is about relationship and not religion

but as it is we have so many gods

so which one is God ?

and not some god or idol

[9eagle9]

Easy if God expresses as rolling pin to beat others over the head with chances are its not God.

[RedeZra]

Easy if God expresses as rolling pin to beat others over the head with chances are its not God.

it's not about beating but pointing

not to me not to men nor to gods and idols

but to God

[9eagle9]

Showing god's expression, not verbalizing it. God does more doing than God does more talking

Why would I go to some second and third hand article when God can express through me?

[RedeZra]

Showing god's expression, not verbalizing it. God does more doing than God does more talking

Why would I go to some second and third hand article when God can express through me?


God cannot express through us

when we don't have the Holy spirit

sent by Jesus Christ

[Chester]

Showing god's expression, not verbalizing it. God does more doing than God does more talking

Why would I go to some second and third hand article when God can express through me?



God cannot express through us

when we don't have the Holy spirit

sent by Jesus Christ

Finally we boiled down to the trinity folks - seems "eye" have seen that before...

16513

one of the programs of the archons - a supernatural seperation

I ain't smart enough to understand these complexities - easier just to rest in the knowledge I am (as we all are) perfect children of creation, immortal and eternal.

In that paradigm I need no dogma but do appreciate a little peace.

justone...

now back to kicking archontic ass elsewhere for awhile - see ya'll

[9eagle9]

Well then that suggests most are inhabited with Holy Spirit if they don't allow its expression to be lost in some moldy 3rd hand article or some other sort of programmed thought.

[ThePythonicCow]

God cannot express through us

when we don't have the Holy spirit

sent by Jesus Christ

RedeZra ... I suggested politely a couple of pages ago in this thread that you had posted enough on this thread.

You have continued to make six more posts. I'd delete these posts, except that almost every one of the last dozen plus posts is either yours, or a response to yours, and such a large scale deletion would be rude and crude affair.

RedeZra, stop posting on this thread.

Thanks.

[kreagle]

Showing god's expression, not verbalizing it. God does more doing than God does more talking

Why would I go to some second and third hand article when God can express through me?



God cannot express through us

when we don't have the Holy spirit

sent by Jesus Christ

Finally we boiled down to the trinity folks - seems "eye" have seen that before...

16513

one of the programs of the archons - a supernatural seperation

I ain't smart enough to understand these complexities - easier just to rest in the knowledge I am (as we all are) perfect children of creation, immortal and eternal.

In that paradigm I need no dogma but do appreciate a little peace.

justone...

now back to kicking archontic ass elsewhere for awhile - see ya'll

justoneman,

The "trinity" only exists because it was "manufactured" by the Vatican, along with many other "scriptural diversions", back at the Council of Nicaea, 325 AD.

We have "one" Deity, who operates "solely as One",......and always has.

Ephesians 4:4-6
King James Version (KJV)

4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

Your "eye" my be single, as indicated by your picture, but it is "currently" blurred in vision, and seeing "more than One".

"justoneman",.........we have "only" "justoneGOD",.....and His name is Jesus.

(in conclusion)

Let it be known to "all" that I've really reached my "end", in desire, to post on "this particular thread".

Many, if not most of you, have been "persuaded" for some time.

Let each man/women walk in their own "level of persuasion"! Each of us will be held accountable for the "choice" we make. Please "choose" wisely, my Avalonian "friends/brothers/sisters".

Thank you, justoneman, for an "apology" that you offered up, in an earlier post on this same thread.

I can assure you, from the "depths of my heart", that I mean well,....and that my only desire,...(as you alluded to),....is to help make this a better world to live in. I am "convinced",...not just by my "personal experience,....but more-so by the Scriptures,....that the "proper revelation of who Jesus Is" does just that,...certainly not just only in "this world",....but, more importantly, for the "one to come".

God bless, each of you,.....abundantly,.......kreagle

P.S. (There is a "valid" reason I "emphasized/highlighted"......God bless, each of you,.............and not,..........."kreagle"........)

"He" must "increase",............and "I" must "decrease".

Your servant,.........kreagle

[Chester]

justoneman,

The "trinity" only exists because it was "manufactured" by the Vatican, along with many other "scriptural diversions", back at the Council of Nicaea, 325 AD.

We have "one" Deity, who operates "solely as One",......and always has.

Ephesians 4:4-6
King James Version (KJV)

4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

Your "eye" my be single, as indicated by your picture, but it is "currently" blurred in vision, and seeing "more than One".

"justoneman",.........we have "only" "justoneGOD",.....and His name is Jesus.
...

Kool kreagle - but my point was this - There is viewing symbols which can then draw upon one's imagination such that one can explore the dynamics of a concept like "the trinity" in how that one might interpret what it may mean to them. Then there's the - "This is the way it is" trinity of biblical Father, Son and Holy Ghost as the only correct interpretation...

Now having said that, to then reduce it down to -" "justoneGOD",.....and His name is Jesus." would be seen by folks like John Lash as very archontic as the primary metaphorical interpretation of some of the gnostic texts was how Sophia (as some see Sophia s the Holy Spirit metaphorically) became imprisoned by her creation, the demiurge. By suggesting God to be Jesus smacks of the same imprisonment technique the archons are famous for, especially when its backed up by text from a heavily translated and agenda filled book as opposed to your personal experience with such expressed in your own words. This is the problem I have with this type of communication. And you seem super cool and wanna share in the communication here but just can't get down to person to person, everyday communications. It doesn't feel real man. It feels like "tapes" "programs"

By saying God is Jesus implies none of the rest of us are God and thus none of the rest of us are good enough. How dickriculous.

Share a real live personal spiritual experience... share a moment you vibed into those freaky Christ energies if you will...what I call the shine. But share something real.

[observer]

[....snip]

RedeZra ... I suggested politely a couple of pages ago in this thread that you had posted enough on this thread.

You have continued to make six more posts. I'd delete these posts, except that almost every one of the last dozen plus posts is either yours, or a response to yours, and such a large scale deletion would be rude and crude affair.

RedeZra, stop posting on this thread.

Thanks.

Might I suggest Red take his diatribe to his own Bible Thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?35019-the-Bible).


[Click on forwarding arrow to take you to that thread in which this rebuttal was posted, and to see the text of the comment.]


This is the proper use of links so that any particular thread does not get hijacked....

[9eagle9]

Lucid dreaming is the safer bet .



LOL Eagle. No we normally dont have a clue wots going on while

we are sleeping. After having a lot of lucid dreams I can tell I,

probably we visits different places in time and space, including

wot is usally refered to other densities. meeting unusual beings

communicating telepathically and so on. LOL


All is well


Jorr

[Tigressa]

@justoneman

I have posted a few things regarding what I am writing here on the other thread of Houman's if it interests you! Don't want to repeat myself too much..

It seems you have been through a terrible upsetting experience of psychosis and come out the other side and I just wanted to share with you that I know others who have had the same experience - and they did turn out to be incarnations of ascended masters.

The idea of soul harvesting I find to be rather odd and beyond the power of most ET's, so quite unbelievable. I find it a bit sad that people are so quick to discount your experience, regardless of the end result of your past life therapy.

Indeed I have had an experience during a spirit journey of thinking I was Jesus at one point - it turned out to be 'bad Jesus' who had whirring hypnotic eyes and was truly quite terrifying. Kind of funny in retrospect, but it was like my pride was playing games with me, inviting in unpleasant energies. So what I mean to say is that I have had the experience too in way, though not even faintly as intense as what you went through.

It doesn't matter what I think, but I really am pleased that you are going to see a past life therapist to gain some understanding.
My thought is that if it did transpire you are given to understand you are more than you believed - then do dare to think the unthinkable - that you are really are a) either soul braided with Jesus or b) are an incarnation of him in earthly form - or someone else!
At some point it is positive to accept your inner guidance if it leads you to being a better you. If you want to go around murdering people and getting narcissistic you will quickly realise something is wrong. So don't be afraid and know that you can have good and clear guidance.

An ascended master can apparently have 144,000 lifetimes at once - this is meant to be the era of awakening the Jesus/Quetzacoatl energy vibration, no?
Many, many people are waking up to the fact they are playing a bigger part in this play that is life than they could have dreamed. I don't see why it might not be you too. Best of luck and many blessings, you seem like a lovely person. I will look forward to hearing your experiences!