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jagman
19th May 2012, 16:44
It's hell being a conservative who believes in alternative theories. When your a conservative who believes in such things, your laughed at and your made fun of by your peers. Most Alt sites IMO, lean left and so they frequently let loose on conservatives.


It's quite a conundrum. Not being accepted in either community. IMO conservatives should be more readily accepted in the Alt community, Otherwise are you not just preaching to the choir?:confused:

GCS1103
19th May 2012, 17:16
Good point, Jagman. I'm in the same boat as you. However, I suspect most of us here will agree, that conservative, liberal, socialist, etc. is irrelevant to the big picture. We're all getting screwed by the same Elitists no matter what our political leanings are.

The Arthen
19th May 2012, 17:16
I guess it takes more of the "understanding" type of atheists to welcome more conservatives, instead of the ones whose skins react with a violent rash everytime they hear the name "Jesus" or whatever.

there are quite a number of accepting ones here. Differences in thought and philosophy is the norm anyway.

Welcome, Jaggyman. ;)

:cantina:

NancyV
19th May 2012, 17:16
I'm a combination of conservative in some areas and very far out in some areas. It actually isn't hell for me being on either a predominantly left leaning or right leaning website because basically I don't give a crap whether anyone else agrees with me or not. It's very freeing not needing approval from anyone else. It helps if you're a loner because then you're not ever trying to get anyone else to agree with you.

If I vote at all it would be against any liberal who was running because I personally think a conservative is the slightly lesser of the two evils when it comes to politics. Yeah, I know they're all probably controlled by the same control agenda. Those who may not be as controlled, like Ron Paul, can't win if you're being realistic...and Ron Paul would also be beholden to special interests and subject to the control agenda. So I don't have much hope for politics solving things.

It's probably a good thing that you are not a close minded conservative, Jagman! Close minded conservatives are just as boring and limited as full on conspiracy theorists, peace/love new age types and anarchists. Since I've been a conservative, a conspiracy theorist and a new age type at different times in my life I know that there's a really comfortable place where I'm none of them. Now I don't waste my time adopting anyone else's truths or believing in anything they say. I listen and I watch with interest but I'm not attached to any results and I don't worry about saving the world, the country or my own butt.

I'm here to have fun and worrying about whether I'm doing or saying the right thing, or if anyone else agrees with me...is NOT fun. It's stressful. So I don't worry about much of anything anymore and I definitely don't care about changing anyone else. I like the Serenity Prayer used in Alcoholics Anonymous:

God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
Courage to change the things I can,
And wisdom to know the difference.

Sidney
19th May 2012, 18:33
IMO the are all liars. I gave up politics all together a longgggggggggggg time ago. (i do however believe the one exception is RP)

fathertedsmate
19th May 2012, 18:42
just believe in yourself, the rest is to ensure you never find out who you really are,

kcbc2010
20th May 2012, 18:02
Thank you for saying what needs to be said from all of us too chicken to say it. :whoo:

I'm secure enough in my beliefs that I really don't care much if I'm "accepted" these days. However, I've learned just not to say that I'm a conservative in "mixed" company because it makes life so much easier. I have to admit I was quite scared when Modwiz called me a "Bush apologist" because I was never "in love" with the guy like other people I knew. That phrase just doesn't describe me - at all. However, it's so easy to get own belief systems about "they" or "the other," so I get where someone w/a different belief system might see me that way.

At the end of the day, we have to realize that our problems are bigger than "left-right." We have common ground; however, we can't hide who we are because we all got here taking different roads.

Avocadess
20th May 2012, 18:41
I am conservative in some of my views, moderate, extreme and/or left-wing in yet others. I honestly feel that I am a combination of Republican, Democrat, Libertarian -- and I guess that makes me Independent. Whose side am I on? FREE HUMANITY -- where compassion and kindness is the rule rather than the exception.

It strikes me as strange how many people are quick to label someone from one viewpoint on one issue.

I don't mind that I don't fit into any one group. It's hard enough to find even one or two people in my own personal life who can share with me the same feelings about the things that mean the most to me!

modwiz
20th May 2012, 19:04
Heys Jags,

The political stuff is so 20th century and has always been irrelevant in the big picture, we just didn't know it yet. I held on as long as to vote for Obama. He woke me up and it is the only positive thing he has done since taking office, IMO. It is personally embarrassing to think I allowed my own hope to be used against me. However, I have not given up hope, just politics, political parties and the tags, titles and labels that we never made up in the first place, but picked up like lice laid out in our favorite colors so that we would allow them to parasitize us and even defend their blood-sucking ways.

The Matrix does take effort to escape, even after deciding on the red pill.

You have a good heart Jags, and that's what matters. Your politics just allows for a bit of locker room humor to emerge.:p

Godiam
20th May 2012, 19:44
It's all just labels that tend to keep us in a box anyway!..............JUST BE!!!!

HUGS...........Godiam

Mulder
20th May 2012, 20:07
I think it's just semantics and group dynamics - e.g. famous experiments where school children were randomly assigned into groups & fought with their old friends just put in other groups.

GCS1103
20th May 2012, 20:19
Modwiz, my friend-

You're right- Jagman has a good heart, but so do you. It's always nice to read your posts (even if I don't agree with all of them;)) because you don't attack anyone here personally. So here is my question to you: Obama or Romney, who is the lesser of two evils that we Americans are going to be stuck with in November??

modwiz
20th May 2012, 23:33
Modwiz, my friend-

You're right- Jagman has a good heart, but so do you. It's always nice to read your posts (even if I don't agree with all of them;)) because you don't attack anyone here personally. So here is my question to you: Obama or Romney, who is the lesser of two evils that we Americans are going to be stuck with in November??

I refuse to vote for either. As bad as Obama is, and he is a world class lying scumbag narcissist IMO, Romney is darker than we can imagine and part of that is his shallowness. I am sure he is a psychopath, on the fence about O there. Sociopath extraordinaire for sure. Romney has that cold reptilian nature to him, under that thin veneer of 'Dapper Dan'. That is why I did not call him evil any more than I would call a rattlesnake or other reptile evil. He is just cold and simple, operating from a survival of the fittest kind of mentality. His business shenanigans may even make him a suspected felon before the elections, if even a small part of his deals and offshore accounts get coverage.

Here is a hard hitting article from Gordon Duff, written as a letter to Obama.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/05/20/mr-president-we-have-had-enough/

A sample:

"This week, we watched the NDAA “Soviet America” bill overturned by a court, a bill you signed but said you did so only reluctantly. It was illegal when you signed it and continuing to do things like this, you and congress, is wearing thin. We are losing patience. We don’t even hate you. You made sure of that by cleverly manipulating the GOP into nominating the most hateful, criminal and abysmal candidate in its history.
A Mormon bishop whose religious beliefs are totally inconsistent with freedom, equality, peace and honesty, as president? What could any of them have been thinking?
Romney could actually be a member of the Bush family. Perhaps we should check on that. Running against a crook doesn’t make up for years of smooth talk, of phony “populism” and bowing to special interest. We are totally sick of it and now it is you and the incompetence of those around you that is destroying America and killing us."


Be well, GC.

Rocky_Shorz
20th May 2012, 23:41
were birthers considered conservatives or Radicals?

standing on the left they looked radical from here, so I must be a conservative... ;)

modwiz
20th May 2012, 23:55
were birthers considered conservatives or Radicals?

standing on the left they looked radical from here, so I must be a conservative... ;)

I consider them people with an opinion. It's the media that decides whether voices are heard based on the utility of the idea expressed. Without an MSM there would have never been a birther movement.

Rocky_Shorz
21st May 2012, 00:14
I'm just joking about the problem with politics...

99% of us are the same standing in the middle with a handfull of loudmouths on both sides tugging us back and forth...

the solution is all of us need to join the center and stop getting pulled back and forth by extreme identicals... division is the secret to their power

Mike
21st May 2012, 00:21
Heys Jags,

The political stuff is so 20th century and has always been irrelevant in the big picture, we just didn't know it yet. I held on as long as to vote for Obama. He woke me up and it is the only positive thing he has done since taking office, IMO. It is personally embarrassing to think I allowed my own hope to be used against me. However, I have not given up hope, just politics, political parties and the tags, titles and labels that we never made up in the first place, but picked up like lice laid out in our favorite colors so that we would allow them to parasitize us and even defend their blood-sucking ways.

The Matrix does take effort to escape, even after deciding on the red pill.

You have a good heart Jags, and that's what matters. Your politics just allows for a bit of locker room humor to emerge.:p



was it Bill Maher who said that he's not a democrat or republican, but a rationalist? anyway, i liked it.

i don't deal in either, or in 'ists' or 'isms' , such as socialist, communist etc...the labels only exist to tag and label, to paint one into a corner. it removes the essential nuance: "tyranny is the deliberate removal of nuance" -- Albert Maysles

people cannot verbally attack you if they can't apply these labels. when approached in pubs or wherever, i'm deliberately vague about my politics, and i enjoy sitting back and frustrating the hell out of people. "wait, so you're for gay marriage *and* the right to bear arms?" i can see their mind working, and then comes the face, the one that looks like a dogs when it cannot comprehend it's masters command -- head tilted, vacuous. it's a look that seems to be saying "wait, you're not aloud to favor both...."

people are so deeply programmed, and i do not judge them, because i know i still have some deprogramming to do myself. but it still shocks me to see people thinking in blocks, unable to decipher the immumerable shades of grey.

seigiarchon
21st May 2012, 00:28
I am an Universalist.

Mike
21st May 2012, 00:44
I am an Universalist.


Seigiarchon, could you kindly provide evidence or links for this statement?

(sorry, i couldn't resist. just read your signature;))

Seikou-Kishi
21st May 2012, 00:45
Jagman, you're not a conservative. Or rather, it might be closer to the truth to say you're a person with conservative ideas. It's like the little lovefest above with Goldie and Modwiz shows (lol :D); people with differing arguments can still hold each other in high regard. And if we must define ourselves, let's define ourselves by our similarities rather than our differences. If one identifies with conservatism and another with liberalism, or if one identifies with socialism or communism or capitalism, whether a restrained capitalism or a laissez-faire capitalism then why do people identify with such things? It's because they think those ideologies are the best placed to promote the good of the people. In that case, the vast majority want the same thing even if they disagree on how to bring it about.

Associate on the goal and not on the technicalities of the method and then you see you're not a outcast :-)

Alie
21st May 2012, 01:37
Modwiz, my friend-

You're right- Jagman has a good heart, but so do you. It's always nice to read your posts (even if I don't agree with all of them;)) because you don't attack anyone here personally. So here is my question to you: Obama or Romney, who is the lesser of two evils that we Americans are going to be stuck with in November??

I refuse to vote for either. As bad as Obama is, and he is a world class lying scumbag narcissist IMO, Romney is darker than we can imagine and part of that is his shallowness. I am sure he is a psychopath, on the fence about O there. Sociopath extraordinaire for sure. Romney has that cold reptilian nature to him, under that thin veneer of 'Dapper Dan'. That is why I did not call him evil any more than I would call a rattlesnake or other reptile evil. He is just cold and simple, operating from a survival of the fittest kind of mentality. His business shenanigans may even make him a suspected felon before the elections, if even a small part of his deals and offshore accounts get coverage.

Here is a hard hitting article from Gordon Duff, written as a letter to Obama.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/05/20/mr-president-we-have-had-enough/

A sample:

"This week, we watched the NDAA “Soviet America” bill overturned by a court, a bill you signed but said you did so only reluctantly. It was illegal when you signed it and continuing to do things like this, you and congress, is wearing thin. We are losing patience. We don’t even hate you. You made sure of that by cleverly manipulating the GOP into nominating the most hateful, criminal and abysmal candidate in its history.
A Mormon bishop whose religious beliefs are totally inconsistent with freedom, equality, peace and honesty, as president? What could any of them have been thinking?
Romney could actually be a member of the Bush family. Perhaps we should check on that. Running against a crook doesn’t make up for years of smooth talk, of phony “populism” and bowing to special interest. We are totally sick of it and now it is you and the incompetence of those around you that is destroying America and killing us."


Be well, GC.


I would like to say Gordon Duff's letter is a HUGE contribution to what many of us are anticipating over the next few months.

This article really has "teeth".

PLEASE read it ... YOU WON'T BE SORRY :)

Seikou-Kishi
21st May 2012, 02:00
I would like to say Gordon Duff's letter is a HUGE contribution to what many of us are anticipating over the next few months.

This article really has "teeth".

PLEASE read it ... YOU WON'T BE SORRY :)

Doesn't Obama look pathetic in that picture? I don't mean that in a hateful sense, just as a statement of fact. He looks old and wearied, and not up to the task.

UnrealDreams
21st May 2012, 02:26
Modwiz, my friend-

You're right- Jagman has a good heart, but so do you. It's always nice to read your posts (even if I don't agree with all of them;)) because you don't attack anyone here personally. So here is my question to you: Obama or Romney, who is the lesser of two evils that we Americans are going to be stuck with in November??

I refuse to vote for either. As bad as Obama is, and he is a world class lying scumbag narcissist IMO, Romney is darker than we can imagine and part of that is his shallowness. I am sure he is a psychopath, on the fence about O there. Sociopath extraordinaire for sure. Romney has that cold reptilian nature to him, under that thin veneer of 'Dapper Dan'. That is why I did not call him evil any more than I would call a rattlesnake or other reptile evil. He is just cold and simple, operating from a survival of the fittest kind of mentality. His business shenanigans may even make him a suspected felon before the elections, if even a small part of his deals and offshore accounts get coverage.

Here is a hard hitting article from Gordon Duff, written as a letter to Obama.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/05/20/mr-president-we-have-had-enough/

A sample:

"This week, we watched the NDAA “Soviet America” bill overturned by a court, a bill you signed but said you did so only reluctantly. It was illegal when you signed it and continuing to do things like this, you and congress, is wearing thin. We are losing patience. We don’t even hate you. You made sure of that by cleverly manipulating the GOP into nominating the most hateful, criminal and abysmal candidate in its history.
A Mormon bishop whose religious beliefs are totally inconsistent with freedom, equality, peace and honesty, as president? What could any of them have been thinking?
Romney could actually be a member of the Bush family. Perhaps we should check on that. Running against a crook doesn’t make up for years of smooth talk, of phony “populism” and bowing to special interest. We are totally sick of it and now it is you and the incompetence of those around you that is destroying America and killing us."


Be well, GC.


I would like to say Gordon Duff's letter is a HUGE contribution to what many of us are anticipating over the next few months.

This article really has "teeth".

PLEASE read it ... YOU WON'T BE SORRY :)

Write in Ron Paul....that's my advice. That is the only hope for a 3rd dimensional solution to the extinction problem we face.

Fred Steeves
21st May 2012, 02:50
people cannot verbally attack you if they can't apply these labels. when approached in pubs or wherever, i'm deliberately vague about my politics, and i enjoy sitting back and frustrating the hell out of people. "wait, so you're for gay marriage *and* the right to bear arms?" i can see their mind working, and then comes the face, the one that looks like a dogs when it cannot comprehend it's masters command -- head tilted, vacuous. it's a look that seems to be saying "wait, you're not aloud to favor both...."


That is sooooo perfect Chinaski!!! I'm one of those poor gluttons for punishment that still subjects themselves to those Sunday morning political shows. You know, shows with that hound dog for truth host like David Gregory on Meet The Press?http://www.bigtenfever.com/forums/images/smilies/rofl.gif

Anyway yeah, sometimes I just crack myself up with my 'contradictory' thoughts on the world of politics watching these freak shows. One minute I'm http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/images/smilies/smiley-slapping.gif the Progressive, the next I'm thinking http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/images/smilies/smiley-slapping.gif the Conservative.

Then again, that's one of the fringe benefits of being schizophrenic...One never need argue alone...

9eagle9
21st May 2012, 03:38
I find liberals as annoying as conservatives. If people kept labeling and self identifying themselves as one or the other both would evaporate. They need each other to survive.

Mike
21st May 2012, 04:55
people cannot verbally attack you if they can't apply these labels. when approached in pubs or wherever, i'm deliberately vague about my politics, and i enjoy sitting back and frustrating the hell out of people. "wait, so you're for gay marriage *and* the right to bear arms?" i can see their mind working, and then comes the face, the one that looks like a dogs when it cannot comprehend it's masters command -- head tilted, vacuous. it's a look that seems to be saying "wait, you're not aloud to favor both...."


That is sooooo perfect Chinaski!!! I'm one of those poor gluttons for punishment that still subjects themselves to those Sunday morning political shows. You know, shows with that hound dog for truth host like David Gregory on Meet The Press?http://www.bigtenfever.com/forums/images/smilies/rofl.gif

Anyway yeah, sometimes I just crack myself up with my 'contradictory' thoughts on the world of politics watching these freak shows. One minute I'm http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/images/smilies/smiley-slapping.gif the Progressive, the next I'm thinking http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/images/smilies/smiley-slapping.gif the Conservative.

Then again, that's one of the fringe benefits of being schizophrenic...One never need argue alone...


oh man, Fred, i can tell just from reading your posts that we're similar in a lot of ways. (i hope i haven't offended you with that statement!;))

i'm a gemini, and if you believe in such things, the curse of the gemini is the ability to see all sides to an argument, debate, issue, whatever. i'm very non-committal because of this, always sort of thinking to myself 'well, that's kind of dumb, but i *do* understand why so n so would think that way etc...' always keeping in mind that everyone does and says what's "right" according to their unique version of right n wrong, or what's best.

many times i don't even know how *i* think of something -- politics or otherwise -- until i start writing or posting about it!;)