Liberal Teacher revealing intolerance and typical behavor expected of them

[Unified Serenity]

This is hysterical though very sad. This is a high school teacher talking about Obama and arguing with a student. Talk about setting an example of how to have a mature discussion / debate. This is how liberals "debate". They demand you shut up, try to pull rank, and cannot defend their beliefs logically. This teacher needs to be fired. I will post the transcript below.

It starts at about :53

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Last Monday, a high school student in North Carolina engaged his social studies teacher in a heated debate about politics and the two leading presidential candidates. During the exchange, the teacher (an obvious Obama supporter) got very angry with the student and accused him of disrespecting the president. She even went so far as to tell the boy that he could be jailed for speaking ill of Obama.


Sarah Campbell of the Salisbury Post (http://www.salisburypost.com/News/051912-North-teacher-on-video-qcd) first reported on the story. She claims that the school district is not releasing the name of the teacher and that she is not responding to requests for public comment (although the two students identified her to the newspaper). According to Campbell’s story, the teacher will not be suspended or even face disciplinary action for what was heard on the recording. A statement from the school was released at the end of the week:

“The Rowan-Salisbury School System expects all students and employees to be respectful in the school environment and for all teachers to maintain their professionalism in the classroom. This incident should serve as an education for all teachers to stop and reflect on their interaction with students. Due to personnel and student confidentiality, we cannot discuss the matter publicly.”
So, how bad was the exchange? It got fairly heated, with the teacher shouting at times. The kerfuffle started after one student asked a question about the teacher’s “fact of the day” that said Romney was a bully back in high school. A student asked:

“Didn’t Obama bully somebody, though?”
The teacher started to get angry and said:

“Not to my knowledge.”
A couple of students relayed the story about Obama admitting that he bullied someone when he was younger. And that seemed to light the fuse on his teacher’s anger. A couple of the students exchanged words with the angry teacher.

“Stop! Stop! Because there’s no comparison. He’s running for president. Obama is the president.”
As one student attempted to argue for a fair, two-sided debate on the history of the candidates, he was shouted down and talked over by the teacher. She continued:

“You got to realize, this man is wanting to be what Obama is. There’s no comparison.”
Once again, the students pressed for equal discussion of the histories of both men, with one saying:

“If you’re gonna talk trash about one side, you gotta talk trash about the other.”
The teacher just seemed to dig her heels in deeper and press her defense of Obama telling the defiant teen:

“You will not disrespect the president of the United States in this classroom.”
Again the student persisted and invoked his First Amendment right.

“I’ll say what I want.”
The still unidentified teacher read the student her rules…her Obama rules.

“Not about him, you won’t!”
The back and forth continued and the most strident of the two students reminded his teacher that President Bush was constantly treated to negative statements about him while he was in office:

“Whenever Bush was president, everybody talked sh-t about him.”
To which the teacher responded:

“Because he was sh-tty.”
The social studies educator went on for a full minute with more ranting, saying that people were arrested for saying derogatory things about President Bush. The student correctly reminded the teacher that opinions are protected, but you cannot be arrested unless you threaten the president.
Our research has not turned up a single case of anyone in America being arrested for speaking ill of former President Bush. The local newspaper story also mentioned that their discussions about the story with a political science professor could not recall the arrests that the teacher was speaking about.

[Lettherebelight]

Sorry, this teacher (is she really a teacher?)needs to be dismissed, for gross misconduct and not working to the job description. I don't hear any educating going on...well I think the kids are trying to educate the teacher, but I don't think it's working.

Thanks for posting, let us know if this goes any further!

....poor kids. At least they can recognise when they hear a load a blarney...that indicates to me there is hope for the future!!

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Oh, those darned liberals! They did it again! If only we could get rid of those darned liberals.

[Lettherebelight]

Maybe a better adjectival phrase would be 'hugely misinformed to the point of incompetence' rather than 'liberal'?

[Mulder]

This is only one arguement. Maybe the teacher was having a bad day? People shouldn't be "written off" over one occasion.

[Dennis Leahy]

Thread improperly titled.

This has nothing to do with the terms "liberal" or "conservative" which are simply words, that have almost no meaning at all any more (if they ever did.) The proper term is "loudmouth idiot." You can toss in "hypocrite", and possibly (dare I say) "racist."

Dennis

[write4change]

This is at least the second thread where the term liberal is explicity used in a offensive way. I do find this offensive. Usually I do not open or participate in such threads. But like Dennis said the title liberal has nothing to do with this thread.

My third grade teacher was horrible and almost turned me into a juvenile delinquent. I remember lots of things about her still particularly her long red finger nails she used to dig into me. She was the typical type of Texas woman of choreographed feminity that I loathe. However, I have no idea if she was liberal or conservative or Republican or Democrat since this was the 50s. What she was --- was not a nice person.

I had a lot of teachers in my life and I learned things from all of them--particularly the bad--how to not get sucked into their stuff. I even consider bad teachers to play a part in life so we don't think the world is our oyster.

What you are teaching me is to ignore anything you write because you have a very intense bias about what is and is not liberal. I would prefer you rethink this.

[Unified Serenity]

Maybe a better adjectival phrase would be 'hugely misinformed to the point of incompetence' rather than 'liberal'?

I thought that was the description of a liberal, LOL

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This is only one arguement. Maybe the teacher was having a bad day? People shouldn't be "written off" over one occasion.

Oh, I think this teacher has pulled this crap before, and I base that upon the students having started filming almost a minute before the issue came up. For some reason they knew if they asked a question about some possible bad aspect of Obama that this teacher would go on a rant, and thus we have this video. It sort of reminds me of someone putting up with someone's crap behavior for a long time and calling them on it, only to have them deny it, so the one pointing it out starts taking notes, writing down dates and events to finally pull it out when the person denies it again. It's hard to deny cold hard facts, and most people don't start taking notes or recording people until they have proven how they operate.

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Thread improperly titled.

This has nothing to do with the terms "liberal" or "conservative" which are simply words, that have almost no meaning at all any more (if they ever did.) The proper term is "loudmouth idiot." You can toss in "hypocrite", and possibly (dare I say) "racist."

Dennis

Oh, I think all those things apply as well as the word liberal. I am sure she votes far left at every chance she gets as often as possible.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Maybe a better adjectival phrase would be 'hugely misinformed to the point of incompetence' rather than 'liberal'?

I thought that was the description of a liberal, LOL[COLOR="red"]

I am often called a liberal. Do you think this about me?

We have been fed a divisive bill of goods by those who would keep us down. Words like "liberal" and "conservative" have been provided along with prepackaged descriptions as to why we should hate them. As long as they keep us hating and fighting each other, we will not be Unified.

I invite you to not buy into the hate machine that is provided for you. Don't let them cause you to objectify and invalidate up to half the population of your country as something other than human that you can rage against and blame for all of our problems. This will not lead us to freedom.

[Unified Serenity]

I am often called a liberal. Do you think this about me?

We have been fed a divisive bill of goods by those who would keep us down. Words like "liberal" and "conservative" have been provided along with prepackaged descriptions as to why we should hate them. As long as they keep us hating and fighting each other, we will not be Unified.

I invite you to not buy into the hate machine that is provided for you. Don't let them cause you to objectify and invalidate up to half the population of your country as something other than human that you can rage against and blame for all of our problems. This will not lead us to freedom.

You know WM I don't know you, so I would not presume to label you. It's funny, I know of zero conservatives who are insulted by being called such, but many liberals try to change the image they have created about that word. It's no longer vogue to use that term, but progressive. Now, progressive is not all that great, I wonder what they will come up with next. I bet you are much more a libertarian than a liberal, but that's just a guess on my part based on your time here.

Labels are difficult, but they exist for reasons of simplification. Some attributes may or may not fit, but that's where getting to know one another comes in handy. I just find it rather interesting that those who preach tolerance, when questioned they seek to shut up their opponent. I can see a very fast change happening should true power fall into the hands of the liberals or Rhinos. That's why they seek to shut up their opposition. Rhino's hate Ron Paul and Tea Party types. They don't want to allow true freedom, either side.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

I'm a Commonsensican. It's a movement I founded. Very few members.

[pilotsimone]

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[Unified Serenity]

Pilotsimone,

I hate no one, but I also don't appreciate the lop sided attitudes many have here who have no problem insulting people who disagree with them, and that take great offense to my threads that just share facts about what I see happening. I think the vast majority of the problems in my country are caused by liberals who have subverted our constitution and neo-cons who have helped in order to line their pockets. The Democrat party is lock step with Marxist theology and plans. They pledge allegiance to the constitution and spit on it and wipe their collective arses with it. The very laws passed these past 20 years are clear proof of the traitors in office. Every one of them should be tried and judged for their crimes against their country and the world.

I've examined movements a long time and almost all new agers are liberals and they can say all they want that they seek peace, but they seek to not allow true freedom because the minute you point out a problem they have caused by their actions / votes they ridicule, demonize and shut opponents up. I believe the neo-cons are working lock step with the traitors who love socialism and believe in Marxist ideology. You have people here saying those words are no longer useful. Why, because the truth hurts? Look at the outcome of their policies in America. We've had a war on poverty and drugs for decades and thrown trillions of dollars at them, but are we any less poor? Are drugs no longer a plague on society? We are played from both sides. Keep us devided over common sense. War on terror to line the pockets of the war pigs and war on poverty to line the pockets of the welfare pigs.

So, my threads shine the light on the ways of the liberals who dream of a socialist utopia and are doing their damnedest to bring it about.

[bodhii71]

Liberalism (from the Latin liberalis)[1] is a political ideology or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality.[2] Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but generally liberals support ideas such as constitutionalism, liberal democracy, free and fair elections, human rights, capitalism, and the free exercise of religion.[3][4][5][6][7]
Liberalism first became a powerful force in the Age of Enlightenment, rejecting several foundational assumptions that dominated most earlier theories of government, such as nobility, established religion, absolute monarchy, and the Divine Right of Kings. The early liberal thinker John Locke, who is often credited for the creation of liberalism as a distinct philosophical tradition, employed the concept of natural rights and the social contract to argue that the rule of law should replace absolutism in government, that rulers were subject to the consent of the governed, and that private individuals had a fundamental right to life, liberty, and property.
The revolutionaries in the American Revolution and the French Revolution used liberal philosophy to justify the armed overthrow of tyrannical rule. The nineteenth century saw liberal governments established in nations across Europe, Latin America, and North America. Liberal ideas spread even further in the twentieth century, when liberal democracies were on the winning side in both world wars and liberalism survived major ideological challenges from fascism and communism. Today, liberal political parties remain a political force with varying degrees of power and influence on all major continents.

[Carmody]

You know WM I don't know you, so I would not presume to label you. It's funny, I know of zero conservatives who are insulted by being called such, but many liberals try to change the image they have created about that word. It's no longer vogue to use that term, but progressive. Now, progressive is not all that great, I wonder what they will come up with next. I bet you are much more a libertarian than a liberal, but that's just a guess on my part based on your time here.

Labels are difficult, but they exist for reasons of simplification. Some attributes may or may not fit, but that's where getting to know one another comes in handy. I just find it rather interesting that those who preach tolerance, when questioned they seek to shut up their opponent. I can see a very fast change happening should true power fall into the hands of the liberals or Rhinos. That's why they seek to shut up their opposition. Rhino's hate Ron Paul and Tea Party types. They don't want to allow true freedom, either side.

You seem to suffer from a serious need to label things.

You should consider getting that looked at. :)

Careful with the 'us vs them' labeling extremes. It's a good part of the problem that individually and collectively..brings us down.

Part of the psychology, for example, of tribal religions. Very dangerous stuff.

[Unified Serenity]

You seem to suffer from a serious need to label things.

You should consider getting that looked at. :)

Careful with the 'us vs them' labeling extremes. It's a good part of the problem that individually and collectively..brings us down.

Part of the psychology, for example, of tribal religions. Very dangerous stuff.

Why don't you say any of this crap to those who support bashing a particular religion or certain conservatives or any subject? This site is about truth and discussing issues. I have found an extreme lack of general honesty among some members here who always side with "liberals" and "New Age" typical concepts, and the also always seem to bash "conservative" ideals whenever possible. You can say all you want about labels, but when concepts are espoused by particular groups then by their actions they do fall within typical categories. Yes, perfect unity would be great, but I simply shine the light on certain types of hypocrisy. Balance is the key, but I find for some reason, a particular group believes balance is never revealing anything negative about their apparent groups which they line up with, and never defending things they don't like.

Carmody, do you have a suggestion for balance when I see a fairly regular disregard for respecting my views by a good number of people and they have no problem stating it, but whenever I stand up for my views and point out things that support them, I get labelled a hate monger, fascist, hater, divider etc.. Yes, we can have perfect peace when everyone lets the bully get their way. I once knew a girl who seemed to have the perfect family until one day I learned that her father regularly beat his wife, daughter, and son with a belt any time they did not obey him or disagreed with him. I was even allowed to see the imprint of the belt buckle on her back. Oh, there was unity and peace alright, but no freedom.

Yes, Lord Sidious was just on TV as he spoke about stamping out the rebels and bringing unity and peace to the Republic! Political correctness allows this sort of thing to progress, and then at some point we find ourselves in a dictatorship. Freedom with respect and self determination is what I believe in. I believe the world is falling into a feel good slogan hype that in the end will be just another prison system. I am a bit bewildered that people here cannot see this as a very small microcosm of our problems worldwide.

Some don't like my views and they have been most hostile and want me off the forum. I imagine the poor mods get notified of my threads all the time because they don't like my opinions, but I don't go around bashing members usually. So, just where is the tolerance and balance? I suppose it will come when people such as myself leave or just shut up and you all can have your little utopia on the web rather than really discuss issues in a fair manner.

[aranuk]

US you seem to be preoccupied at the moment with Liberals, Socialists and Communists. Are you trapped in a time warp in the 1950's or something? Wake up please. Today in USA, there are plans where one side are plotting to take advantage of the NDAA law and create a false flag of civil disorder, in order to fill the FEMA camps with innocent citizens of USA, and another group who are trying to arrest the evil, good for nothing, thieving. murderous cabal banking paedophiles, and you are posting about liberals etc. You are not giving your attention to the immediate priority at hand dear. I am sorry to say but you are creating an unneccessary diversion which may cause the bad guys to succeed.
Give us here a break would you and desist from causing any harm to your fellow Americans?

Stan

[Unified Serenity]

US you seem to be preoccupied at the moment with Liberals, Socialists and Communists. Are you trapped in a time warp in the 1950's or something? Wake up please. Today in USA, there are plans where one side are plotting to take advantage of the NDAA law and create a false flag of civil disorder, in order to fill the FEMA camps with innocent citizens of USA, and another group who are trying to arrest the evil, good for nothing, thieving. murderous cabal banking paedophiles, and you are posting about liberals etc. You are not giving your attention to the immediate priority at hand dear. I am sorry to say but you are creating an unneccessary diversion which may cause the bad guys to succeed.
Give us here a break would you and desist from causing any harm to your fellow Americans?

Stan

Quite frankly, you stan prefer to ignore facts. Obama is an extreme liberal socialist Marx loving traitor. NDAA, false wars, stealing from the people, helping the big banks and business is all part of his game. Somehow you seem to not notice that it's just as much Liberal politicians carrying the water for the NWO elites as the Rhino Neo-cons. But, keep living in a false reality and dreaming of the day all the actions done today mean lollipop dreams tomorrow.

[ThePythonicCow]

Could we spend a little more time focused on the topics appropriate to this forum, and a little less time analyzing each others supposed deficiencies?

[bodhii71]

My Today is now yesterday, anyway, yesterday I was very... very angry. Full of rage, almost the entire day. A reason for which I cannot fathom. So much so, that I scared my children.
My now today, I feel much calmer, and thankful I am not living in yesterday. True story.
I acted out in a manner which was very uncharacteristic of my quite, kind, benevolent self.
Come to think of it, I've notice a cycle of undirected anger every couple of weeks...
Anyway, I'm a Commonsensican too. With a hint of extreme conservative liberalism.

George Kavassilas said in an interview I just watched, "We are treated like mushrooms, kept in the dark and fed bull****". I just loved that and wanted to share it.
If you like true freedom and...
Unless you are nobility,established religion, absolute monarchy, archon,dark cabal, malevolent ET/ED,fascist, socialist....you might be a liberal.

So, what I meant to say, Is it seems the teachers emotional body seemed to cloud her professionalism, and was prompted by a few students in the class. Add a few knee jerk reactions from society and we have a trendy new story. Was this news worthy on the scale it seems to be growing?

[noprophet]

It has got to be the weather (http://alabe.com/cgi-bin/chart/astrobot.cgi?PARAM=YVR&INPUT5=Seattle,WA).

[aranuk]

US you seem to be preoccupied at the moment with Liberals, Socialists and Communists. Are you trapped in a time warp in the 1950's or something? Wake up please. Today in USA, there are plans where one side are plotting to take advantage of the NDAA law and create a false flag of civil disorder, in order to fill the FEMA camps with innocent citizens of USA, and another group who are trying to arrest the evil, good for nothing, thieving. murderous cabal banking paedophiles, and you are posting about liberals etc. You are not giving your attention to the immediate priority at hand dear. I am sorry to say but you are creating an unneccessary diversion which may cause the bad guys to succeed.
Give us here a break would you and desist from causing any harm to your fellow Americans?

Stan

Quite frankly, you stan prefer to ignore facts. Obama is an extreme liberal socialist Marx loving traitor. NDAA, false wars, stealing from the people, helping the big banks and business is all part of his game. Somehow you seem to not notice that it's just as much Liberal politicians carrying the water for the NWO elites as the Rhino Neo-cons. But, keep living in a false reality and dreaming of the day all the actions done today mean lollipop dreams tomorrow.

We both agree on Obama's actions US. As in the past we agree on lots of things. My objection here is that he is a socialist. Socialists don't steal money from the people, nor do they help the banksters. I would describe him more as a traitor to the American people, amongst other crimes like war against Gadahffi and the Libyan people.

Stan

[Unified Serenity]

Stan,

Socialism is redistribution of resources aka wealth. Governments do not create anything, they take and they use. Government is power. If socialism is redistribution of wealth ala Obama's comment to "Share the wealth", whose wealth are they redistributing? Obviously, the people who have it to those who do not! Thus, Socialism is Government legally taking other peoples money and that is legal theft! It's like you have 5 groups in a study and one group co-ops 2 other groups votes via bribes, promises etc and therefore the other two groups lose out on their decisions. It's all done legally, but it's still injustice, and it always fails. Banks fund socialist groups because socialism is very profitable. Banks discovered long ago that lending to government was much safer than to individuals because government just tax the people to pay back loans. Thus is banks get their people aka Timmy Geithner from Goldman Sachs to run the U.S. Treasury then the government is in league with the banks, and if the government is getting progressively more socialist then they support the banksters. The American people and many in Europe have been robbed blind by the recent financial swindling done by the IMF and various central banks.

Stan, have you ever read Animal Farm? Socialism fails because power corrupts and people justify special rights and benefits for themselves and their buddies.

I am not saying that helping one another is a bad thing. The idea to help homeless people is great just as the idea to provide medical care for everyone is great, but we still have to pay for it. So, where does all the money come from to fund all the things people want to do for each other? Should we have one model of vehicle and everyone gets one? Because that is what happens in socialist / communist systems. There is no incentive to strive to improve your life if your extra effort wont' benefit you. I know we should each mature spiritually and emotionally, but most people if told they can bust their ass all day digging a ditch and get 20$ or they can sit on their ass all day and get 20$, then few would do the work, but of course work needs to be done, so let's put a gun in someone's hand and point it at the head of the person they want to dig that ditch for $20.00. Now, the gun wielder does not have to dig a ditch so he's happy, and he has friends who he can help not dig ditches, but those who are not on the "in" crowd dig ditches for $20.00, get injured and their spirit dies. Eventually the whole society dies, but hey, everyone gets $20.00 a day, except for the leaders who live in special areas, shop in special stores, have vacation homes and fly anywhere in the world they want to fly, but the average person lives in a slum, barely has enough to eat, and the medical system is so overrun that it takes 5 years or more to even get an operation for a torn rotator cuff in your shoulder. No one wants to be a doctor because there is no benefit to doing so, you get $20.00 a day no matter if you are a doctor, ditch digger, cop, etc.. but to be a doctor you have to go through 15 years of extra training and for what?

The government cronies are all millionaires, there is "free" healthcare, housing, and food, but there are no choices and no hope for improving your lot in life. Eventually hard line socialism was seen as the failure it truly is, so they tried to make some changes and people have a few more choices and a little more freedom, but the state still controls most industry. Oh, you get to own your farm, but the state tells you to stop producing corn and start producing wheat even though you can make more profit from corn. If you refuse, the state arrests you and gives your farm to someone else who grows wheat. The socialist countries around the world are suffering. There is more freedom in some and less in others, but when incentive is removed people stop trying.

There has to be a way to create a harmonious balance, but until we get rid of greed and instill equal efforts in all we won't fix this problem. Have you ever met someone who came up poor and made it big? I knew a man just like that. He was from New York and grew up pretty poor. He had two brothers and they each had 3 toys. That was it. They worked as kids, and when he grew up he built a large floral business. He became a millionaire and he moved to Florida. He invested in a lot of property and had a beautiful wife and two children. He lavished them with everything he did not have as a child. His kids had zero work ethic and he would bemoan the issue of how his kids wouldn't do anything. Had no drive. Well, when you have everything and don't have to work, why work? Can we afford millions of people not working? No we can't, and that is one of the reasons we and other nations are in trouble. We love to help people and have all these great programs, but the more you give the more people figure out how to game the system. I think you are probably a really nice guy Stan, and would probably give the shirt off your back to help someone you know, but if that person refused to help themselves and came to you day after day after day taking your shirt and you have family who needed your help or hell, you needed to keep a roof over your head, would you go naked for this person who just comes to you every day for your shirt, pants, food, car, bank account?

The problem with big government is those who take the money don't see who it's coming from. To them, it's just a government check. I could go on and on and I've already written too much. If government was not trying to be all hings to all people thus getting their votes then it would be smaller and you and I could be all things to one another. As it is, people are being bled dry, the middle class is disappearing, and lives are being destroyed by these policies. I say, cut government spending by 50%, set up some local programs to help those who will be immediately impacted, and get them to work. Those unable to work due to physical and mental challenges can be helped, but far too many game the system. Cut off all grants to businesses. Cut off all foreign aid. Bring our military home and only protect American and our direct interests. Get rid of central banks and let local communities control credit. We know who the deadbeats and crooks are locally. Encourage manufacturing and such to rebuild our work forces. I know it's a lot more complicated, but start there, examine all the regulations, and start over. I believe the states need to take back control and we need to end the era of big brother nanny state.

EDIT: I meant to add this little example I found on another blog (http://www.myopenforum.com/forum/showthread.php?36484-quot-Redistribution-of-Wealth-Experiment-quot&p=484811#post484811):

Do you think waiters would feel any different if their boss' decided to take 40% of their tips at the end of every shift and give the money to homeless shelters? Or how about if the boss separated the waiters into 3 categories: those who made over $20 in tips, those who made $10-$20, and those who made less than $10. For those that made over $20 the boss would take 60% of their tips. For those that made $10-$20 the boss would only take 40% of their tips. And for those that made less than $10 the boss would only take 20% of their tips. The boss would then take this money and give it to the homeless shelters. A fair assumption would be that the waiters making over $20 in tips were the best waiters. In order to get that high amount of tips they probably provided the best service to their customers. Now if they start loosing 60% of their tips do you think they would still have the drive and incentive to continue to provide great service? And if they stopped providing that great service wouldn't it seem logical that the restaurant would begin to loose customers and eventually go out of business thus costing everyone employed by the business to loose their jobs and join the homeless person standing outside the now closed restaurant. Now how about if the restaurant next door said their policy was to not take any percentage of their waiter’s tips and would allow them to keep it all. The better an employee was at serving the customer the more tips they would receive and the boss would take none if it. I bet because of the good service provided by the waiters the restaurant would receive more customers thus creating greater wealth for everyone; except of course for the homeless person sitting outside who at any time could simply just walk into the restaurant and ask for an application.

[modwiz]

Stan,


Stan, have you ever read Animal Farm? Socialism fails because power corrupts and people justify special rights and benefits for themselves and their buddies.



US, I have read Animal Farm and my takeaway wasn't that power corrupts, but that pigs will be pigs. Part of our programming has us with all kinds of assumptions that are not ours that, by usage, we make part of the verbal and conversational landscape and reinforce the placement of these timeless memes. Most of these sayings come from those who own the distribution methods. That would be the psychopaths and their little cousins the sociopaths. Man is greedy, power corrupts and survival of the fittest are a few of their traits that they tell us we all have. To be sure, the masses are loaded with wannabes and loser psychos and socios but that does not make the generalization true.

Furthermore, the setup of society with the twisted ones reaping the material comforts creates an envy in many that creates a class of people ready to compromise their innate humanity. That is why envy is one of the deadly sins. Not because any religion declares it so, but because of the virus like corrupting nature of such emotions indicated in the 7.

Humanity has been weakened by thousands of years of abuse. As a weakened immune system allows for viruses to take hold of a host that a healthy immune system would resist, so is humanity at present.

We are not inherently bad and corruptible, we have been purposely made so by those who are. They hide their psychopathy behind what they claim is the norm. The herpes virus creates blisters in its manifestations because that virus needs a watery environment to thrive. Psychopaths need a broken and demoralized populace to survive and hide in. Animal Farm is more of the same reinforcement except for the hint that pigs will be pigs.

[Dennis Leahy]

Stan,


Stan, have you ever read Animal Farm? Socialism fails because power corrupts and people justify special rights and benefits for themselves and their buddies.



US, I have read Animal Farm and my takeaway wasn't that power corrupts, but that pigs will be pigs. Part of our programming has us with all kinds of assumptions that are not ours that, by usage, we make part of the verbal and conversational landscape and reinforce the placement of these timeless memes. Most of these sayings come from those who own the distribution methods. That would be the psychopaths and their little cousins the sociopaths. Man is greedy, power corrupts and survival of the fittest are a few of their traits that they tell us we all have. To be sure, the masses are loaded with wannabes and loser psychos and socios but that does not make the generalization true.

Furthermore, the setup of society with the twisted ones reaping the material comforts creates an envy in many that creates a class of people ready to compromise their innate humanity. That is why envy is one of the deadly sins. Not because any religion declares it so, but because of the virus like corrupting nature of such emotions indicated in the 7.

Humanity has been weakened by thousands of years of abuse. As a weakened immune system allows for viruses to take hold of a host that a healthy immune system would resist, so is humanity at present.

We are not inherently bad and corruptible, we have been purposely made so by those who are. They hide their psychopathy behind what they claim is the norm. The herpes virus creates blisters in its manifestations because that virus needs a watery environment to thrive. Psychopaths need a broken and demoralized populace to survive and hide in. Animal Farm is more of the same reinforcement except for the hint that pigs will be pigs.Hot damn, this post is full to the brim with astute observations. Thanks, Modwiz.

Dennis

[write4change]

When you see a good man, think of emulating him; when you see a bad man, examine your heart. Chinese Proverb

A spiritual person on a spiritual site where the goal is to unite for the first time scinece and spirituality because the laws of both are not sufficient alone would not be using an excuse that an eye for an eye is the way to go. It is how we got here.

[kcbc2010]

Point of clarification: Not all RINOs are actually RINOs. Most of the people who have been active in the Party for more than 2-3 years are considered RINO's these days, regardless of their actual positions.

Some of the more extreme elements in the Tea Party act like anyone who doesn't think or act like them must be an establishment Republican/RINO. The term is getting to the point where it's really meaningless. There are some people who really are RINO's (think Alren Spector who switched parties from an R to a D - eventually), but then there is the dynamic mentioned above where people are still conservative, but not THAT conservative.

A lot of us were Tea Party before there was an official name for us - now, we are going through an identity crisis because we aren't elitists, but we aren't hard-core Tea Party in its 2012 form. I tend to think I'm a Tea Party of One these days because I wonder what kind of crack you have to smoke to think that "Ricky" Rick Santorum is a good idea for President as he was GWB II and I remember spending a lot of time fighting GWB I because he was a big spender and he kept insisting that some of his more liberal ideas were good ones (Harriet Miers - anyone!). Watching the TP people fall for the guy just...well, was really disturbing.

So, I tend to have problems with name-calling on the Left and the Right these days.

I think you did a good job of identifying this lady's behavior and correctly characterizing it as Liberal; however, we live in times where our politics are shifting and are different than they were even 2-4 years ago. As a result, we really need to be careful how we label people. Labels are good for identifying people and behavior, but the labels that worked a couple of years ago don't work so well nowadays. I'm still a conservative, but I'm not as conservative as the average, active Tea Party member would be. Some days, I wonder how I got into the RINO category, but here I am - contemplating this development - w/my (newly-minted) RINO peeps on Facebook. And these are good, solid conservative folks - not the type of elitists that the term RINO was meant to define. (Forgive my whine.....it just comes out sometimes.) :sorry:

[Mandala]

IMHO, teacher has a severe love and idolistic fixation on Obama. It is extreme. The kids know this, because it has happened before. As misguided as she is and as poor as her tactics in dealing with her students, I believe this is a set-up by her kids to get her "riled up" and record it . They knew she would do this and they all thought it would be hysterical. Notice they didn't say anything really bad, which often you hear f---you, or other kid insults when they seriously argue in school with an adult. They came across ok, and she comes across as a total out of control bimbo. (Maybe she always is) The kids really got a kick out of this. They didn't care if she was a liberal or a conservative, they just wanted to let her make a fool out of her self, which she obligingly did.

Picture yourself, having a rant on a bad day, maybe with a family member or co-worker and unknowingly being recorded and posted on you tube or given a the news. When people know there is a recording, it always seems a little one-sided.

One of the other things they like to do is play teacher bingo. All of them make a bingo card and put little comments and mannerisms on the card that the teacher does often. Snorts, picks nose, says um, picks a wedgie, talks about her kid.... and so on. Every time the teacher does one of those things, you mark it off on your card. Before the class is over, kids start yelling out "Bingo" as they fill their card.

[Dennis Leahy]

... we really need to be careful how we label people. Labels are good for identifying people and behavior...
If labeling people is "old paradigm" and divisive, let's think of another way to discuss the issues without labeling individuals. I do understand it is an attempt to be a shortcut, and possibly, there are people that would have literally every attribute and every belief that might be thought of as falling under one label. It's possible, but not probable. Believing that someone falls under a specific label probably just means we have ignored their complexity (and focused on one or more divisive issues that we feel defines them as falling under that label.)

Most times, when I talk to someone that I have a strong disagreement with, as long as I remember to look for what we have in common, I find something.

We are all really so complex - each of us. We mustn't forget that. Wade Frazier is inviting people to even begin to imagine abundance. It is really one amazing exercise to even try. The reason I mention that is because in the research I did for The Reset Button (which included "imagining", "forecasting behaviors", and attempting to sort of play chess with the people running the current political paradigm), I got to a place where I sort of broke through to the other side of political where it became apolitical. Basically, once we take away the political, divisive, mental constructs and paradigm, we are left with an apolitical system where each individual's uniqueness becomes paramount, not their (typically lip-service) adherence to a specific political ideology (label), or party. So ideologies can't really describe individuals, can they even describe issues?

Even the issues are often complex, and in examining another person's understanding and feelings about a single issue, we will often find ourselves somewhere in the gray zone between complete agreement and complete disagreement (or ability to label a person's viewpoint.)

Breaking everything down to separate issues we increase our chances of finding common ground (even if only agreement on certain facets of issues.) Finding common ground provides the primordial soup for unity. Increasing the level, degree, and complexity of the unity by finding more and more common ground, makes it more and more difficult to split from the unity when differences are discussed. To me, this makes the task of finding common ground much more important than finding our disagreements.

If a transition is taking place within humanity (and I believe that it is), the building blocks of a new and better world and the network connecting individuals are formed when we drop the old, divisive paradigm and seek common ground and unity. Each time we consciously move in this direction, we are training ourselves - learning, growing, and educating ourselves and dissolving the old divisive meme.

Dennis

[apokalypse]

no mention of Ron Paul?

[Unified Serenity]

Why would RP be brought up apokalypse? Can you explain?

[Arrowwind]

This is hysterical though very sad. This is a high school teacher talking about Obama and arguing with a student. Talk about setting an example of how to have a mature discussion / debate. This is how liberals "debate". They demand you shut up, try to pull rank, and cannot defend their beliefs logically. This teacher needs to be fired. I will post the transcript below.



this is exactly what happened to me me on forum called Freedom Crowsnest. Dare to challenge the liberal agenda first your posts are sent to the conservative trash dump file (or something akin to that in name) then you are publically insulted then thrown out. the level of insanity there was about like this teacher.

[RMorgan]

Hey folks,

"The teacher at the center of a controversy over a classroom video has now been suspended with pay, according to the Rowan Salisbury School System."

http://www.prisonplanet.com/classroom-debate-over-obama-goes-viral-teacher-suspended.html

Cheers,

Raf.

[Unified Serenity]

Fox news interviewed the student and his mother. You can view it here and read the summary:

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2012/05/22/student-who-taped-teacher-yelling-at-him-for-criticizing-president-obama-speaks-out/

It was plain from this story that the teacher had a habit of getting into political lecturing and ranting. I do not understand why anyone would think a paid vacation is disciplinary action, but that's what they are saying regarding the teacher being suspended with pay.

[Unified Serenity]

this is exactly what happened to me me on forum called Freedom Crowsnest. Dare to challenge the liberal agenda first your posts are sent to the conservative trash dump file (or something akin to that in name) then you are publically insulted then thrown out. the level of insanity there was about like this teacher.



Thankfully, Avalon allows for all views to be expressed, though some members get rather personal in their attacks. If we cannot discuss things in a mature and open manner without trying to shut people down for sharing their views then we are no better than the rest of the world who are so entrenched in their little fox holes fighting the perceived bad guy. This teacher is a perfect example of power corrupting. She basically shut the kids up, and told them to go to the back of the bus.

[Carmody]

It is a simple fact of human psychology that the less the reach of a given person's intellect... the greater the desire (and projected fears) within... and thus the 'need' to label things, to define items and concepts into a form of certainty that is held to be inviolate. To create within the psychology a outline of projected certainty that reflects back a feeling of knowing and thus a form of safety.

This helps explain the media bias as a form of manipulation of the general populace, and the manipulation of the general populace via science and religion. Manipulate in the backdrop of the given situation, while dripping a reality into existence by responding to their 'needs'. needs Which are real, imagined, or created into existence.

Essentially, you help a confounded and upset child to suckle, by presenting it with a form and feel of a teat.

It really is that simple, as our logic and thoughts form from a source which is the hindbrain, which is the baseline function of the animal/body... and that is autonomous and outside of conscious thought.

[frozen alchemy]

That wasn't a 'liberal' teacher, it was a poorly trained teacher, and a not terribly bright one, losing control of both herself and her class. It could be offered up as Reason #1 to discontinue the present classroom model of teaching and replace it with internet education and self-taught modules of learning, along with apprenticeships. Those kids haven't learned a heck of a lot given that they would appear to be high school students. Their behavior is as appalling as the teachers.

While I'm aghast at what Obama has done since he was elected to office compared to what I had hoped and thought he would do, there are invariably reasons behind the scenes to all this. One blog I read recently (it may have been here) posited that his signing orders that anyone may be detained at any time for no reason was a lead-up to arresting Bush, Cheney, et al for crimes against humanity and is a tie-in to the Drake maneuverings. I have no way of knowing what's true anymore, but perhaps things are not what they seem. I'm pretty sure that the first thing that happens to a president like Obama when he enters office is that he's shown a clear version of the Zapruder film and told 'nice family ya got there' and that while he'll be allowed to get some of his promises accomplished for the sake of his 'legacy', that other powers are really running things behind the scenes. Bush was drugged or otherwise controlled during most of his terms, it is obvious when comparing his speaking style from back in the 90s to more recently. Obviously, Cheney was the immediate power in that partnership.

I may be a liberal, I may be a progressive, I may be an anarchist or a libertarian, but I know that our present governance needs to be almost totally removed and replaced; the rule of law has long since given way to the rule of power and avarice.

[Carmody]

It is a simple fact of human psychology that the less the reach of a given person's intellect... the greater the desire (and projected fears) within... and thus the 'need' to label things, to define items and concepts into a form of certainty that is held to be inviolate. To create within the psychology a outline of projected certainty that reflects back a feeling of knowing and thus a form of safety.

This helps explain the media bias as a form of manipulation of the general populace, and the manipulation of the general populace via science and religion. Manipulate in the backdrop of the given situation, while dripping a reality into existence by responding to their 'needs'. needs Which are real, imagined, or created into existence.

Essentially, you help a confounded and upset child to suckle, by presenting it with a form and feel of a teat.

It really is that simple, as our logic and thoughts form from a source which is the hindbrain, which is the baseline function of the animal/body... and that is autonomous and outside of conscious thought.

Thus the very vast majority of people don't even know what the hell they are and how their brain works. And thus, their circle of logic is smaller than those who are aware of this..and thus they can be and ARE corralled and led to slaughter via this very simple aspect of human design.

If the general population where to confront this aspect of their mind and what it is, this would remove the certainties they have created in their minds, about what is real and what is not.....all would be in turmoil.

Thus, this must be avoided at all costs, via these thoughts not being allowed to take place in the mind. Up to and including killing anything that brings this idea and thinking, to them. Fear. Pain. confusion. Animal response.

A situation created by the feelings and emotions of the hindbrain, the place where the impetus and shaping of conscious thought ---erupts from.

Once again, it really is that simple and it has everything to do with this thread and the entire reason that this forum... exists.

How to be free?

Be conscious of this, in every waking and thinking moment.

For the rest of your life.

Wear it as a point and addition in every thought, 24/7. Even when you are sleeping.

And freedom..... WILL come.

Escape/surpass.... your hindbrain's enforced limit. Take the training wheels off your avatar.

[Unified Serenity]

LOL, thanks for the good laugh Carmody. I assure you that as surprised as you might be, I test extremely high on the intelligence scale. Are labels all inclusive? Of course not, but they do tend to give a general idea of what a rather large gathering is going on about. It's up to individuals to understand that you have to get to know a specific person before you can make any judgements about their character.

Still amused, thanks Carmody.