How do you feel about the Vatican, Politicians and Illuminati?

[IndigoStar]

I read a lot of threads on here about the above mentioned (and others) and there is a lot of negative energy and commenting related to them. I would like to propose a new way of thinking.

Based on the scientific proof (see heart math institute) that we are all connected, every negative thought we have about others (sick people, evil pieces of work etc) directly affects the planet and ourselves.

If we want to heal the planet we must send them love. We must move from a viewpoint of division (us/them - good/bad) to one of unity.

They are merely the physical manifestation of the collective shadow self of humanity. When each one of us heals our individual shadow the common vibrational projection we see will be altered.

Posting and complaining about the evils of any group will not change the situation. It is contributing to the playing out of a drama by the egoic mind. To acknowledge them is to actually give them more power.
To harmonize we must transcend this by finding the space behind the drama where peace lies. When we live in this space there is no need to criticize others.

When atoms are presented with thoughts, emotions and words of positivity they open up. When they are shown the opposite they close down. Atoms are inter-connected at a quantum level. Thus, everything you say, think and feel about others affects the atoms of your very being.

I propose that we send love to the pope. We send positive thoughts to the illuminati. We thank them all for providing us with this wonderful opportunity to break free from oppression. They have taught us a lot. They have allowed us to grow spiritually from this challenging situation we have found ourselves in. As a result, the universe has expanded.

Gratitude. Love. Compassion. Understanding. Everything is for a reason. It is all perfect the way it is.

What you resist persists. What you fight, you strengthen.

[Eram]

Hi IndigoStar,

I think you said it beautifully there.

In an attempt to widen the view of this concept



What you resist persists. What you fight, you strengthen.

I would like to show a story that inspired me deeply:

A Native American grandfather
Found his grandson crying after school
And discovered from the sobbing child
That a playgound bully had been cruel

I wish that I could hurt him said the child
And when I get big that's what I'll do
That would make me sad said the grandfather
Then I'll know the dark wolf is taking you

(Chorus)
There are two wolves
There are two wolves
And within each heart these two wolves fight
One is hatred
Rage and darkness
And the other wolf is love and light

The old man put his arms around the child
Said the thing you want is called revenge
But when you try to hurt the one who's hurt you
That's the momment you become like them

The old man said I know what you are feeling
Being human I have felt it too
The child looked into the ancient eyes then
Said gradfather tell me what to do

(Chorus)
There are two wolves
There are two wolves
And within my heart these two wolves fight
One is hatred
Rage and darkness
And the other wolf is love and light

The Old Man said child do not fear this battle
Though each Wolf will make the other bleed
It is in your power to choose the victor
The Wolf that wins will be the one you feed

(Chorus)
There are two wolves
There are two wolves
And within each heart these two wolves fight
One is hatred
Rage and darkness
And the other wolf is love and light

One is hatred rage and darkness
And the other wolf is love and light

~John Flynn Two Wolves Lyrics~ (http://www.lyricsfreak.com/j/john+flynn/two+wolves_20906365.html)

[IndigoStar]

Thanks wakytweaky. I LOVE that! Exactly the concept I wanted to express :)

The level of consciousness of the awakened humans on earth right now can be directly measured (imo) by the quality of posts on PA.

I hope we will see a decrease in the posts highlighting the 'evils' of the NWO, Illuminati etc etc and an increase in posts of an uplifting nature because we are ultimately trying to raise our vibration and that of the planet, are we not?

[Earth Angel]

excellent posts~!! I agree IndigoStar, if we want them punished or hate them we are no better than they are, we really need to get the point where we understand there there is only US.....we are ONE, hating someone, or wishing them harm in any way is like picking up a burning coal to throw at an enemy, you get burned !!

Love the two wolves story too!

[SKAWF]

i see what you're saying...

but like our immune system, i reject them.
in the same way, i wear rubber gloves when i do the dirtier jobs around the house.
otherwise i'm exposing myself to something that might do me harm.

polititions are merely the officers of the control. minions.

but the catholic church is a disgusting, perverse organisation which is responsible for theft, lies, child abuse, murder, spiritual starvation, and so many other things,
that if i dont at some point stand up and say ENOUGH!, if i dont reject it outright, when i realise what it is, then i am giving it tacit consent to carry on.

it thinks it owns the world, all property and all souls on the planet.
it sexually abuses little children all over the world.
children that carry that trauma around with them for the rest of their lives.
it is the epitome of evil.

i look at it like this, i dont like violence. it has a negative long term effect on me. i know that.
but if i'm threatened by something that is hell bent on harming me in far greater terms,
i will employ violence on an event basis until the fight is over,
and i can go back to living my life.
all that has to happen for evil to triumph, is that good people do nothing.

steve

[Maia Gabrial]

Regarding my feelings about the Vatican, Politicians and Illuminati: Icky, yucky and pooey!

[IndigoStar]

When you project negative emotions onto others YOU ARE HARMING YOUR OWN DNA! You are actually damaging youself, so the ones you are hating on 'win'!
The solution is to send them love or not focus on them at all.

Not only that, dna affects other dna so when you project negative feelings onto them, their dna deforms and so does yours.

I am proposing a SOLUTION to the current situation we see. Otherwise you are trapped in a vicious cycle of negativity. Who is going to break us free from it if not us?

Scientific proof:
Human placenta DNA (the most pristine form of DNA) was placed in a container from which they could measure changes in the DNA.

Twenty-eight vials of DNA were given (one each) to 28 trained researchers. Each researcher had been trained how to generate and FEEL feelings, and they each had strong emotions.

What was discovered was that the DNA CHANGED ITS SHAPE according to the feelings of the researchers:

When the researchers FELT gratitude, love and appreciation, the DNA responded by RELAXING and the strands unwound. The length of the DNA became longer.

When the researchers FELT anger, fear, frustration, or stress, the DNA responded by TIGHTENING UP. It became shorter and SWITCHED OFF many of our DNA codes!

If you've ever felt "shut down" by negative emotions, now you know why your body was equally shut down too.

The shut down of the DNA codes was reversed and the codes were switched back on again when feelings of love, joy, gratitude and appreciation were felt by the researchers.

This experiment was later followed up by testing HIV positive patients.

They discovered that feelings of love, gratitude and appreciation created 300,000 TIMES the RESISTANCE they had without those feelings. So here's the answer to what can help you stay well, no matter what dreadful virus or bacteria may be floating around. Stay in feelings of joy, love, gratitude and appreciation!

These emotional changes went beyond the effects of electromagnetics.

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Individuals trained in deep love were able to change the shape of their DNA. Gregg Braden says this illustrates a new recognized form of energy that connects all of creation. This energy appears to be a TIGHTLY WOVEN WEB that connects all matter.

Essentially we're able to influence this web of creation through our VIBRATION.

In a 1993 study reported in the Journal Advances, the Army performed experiments to determine precisely whether the emotion/DNA connection continues following a separation, and if so at what distances?13 The researchers started by collecting a swab of tissue and DN from the inside of he volunteer’s mouth. This sample was isolated and taken to another room in the same building, where they began to investigate a phenomenon that modern science says shouldn’t exist. In a specially designed chamber, the DNA was measured electrically to see if it responded to the emotions of the person it came from, the donor who was in another room several hundred feet away.

In his room, the subject was shown a series of video images. Designed to create genuine states of emotion inside of his body, this material ranged from graphic wartime footage to erotic images to comedy. The idea was for the donor to experience a spectrum of real emotions within a brief period of time. While he was doing so, in another room his DNA was measured for its response.

When the donor experienced emotional “peaks” and “dips”, his cells and DNA showed a powerful electrical response at the same instant in time. Although distances measured in hundreds of feet separated the donor and the samples, the DNA acted as if it was still physically connected to his body.

This experiment has been repeated on different sides of the earth and results were the same - INSTANT!

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Ultimately, the only way for us to move forward as a species is for those among us who have evolved to take the darkness into themselves and dissolve it. Tonglen practice. Opposing it only perpetuates it. Accept and transform. That's what Neo was trying to show you at the end of the Matrix. We have to accept our shadow as part of ourselves. Welcome it home. And then, as a part of ourselves, we can transform it. Ice to water. Water to gas.

http://peterfox.com.au/images/om_mani_padme_hum.jpg

This human being is a guest house,
every morning a new arrival.
A joy, a depression, a meanness,
some momentary awareness comes
as an unexpected visitor.
Welcome and attend them all!
Even if they are a crowd of sorrows,
who violently sweep your house empty
of its furniture...
The dark thought, the shame, the
malice, meet them at the door
laughing.. be grateful for whoever comes,
because each has been sent
as a guide from beyond

- Rumi

[pugwash84]

That may be why, when I sit down moaping when I'm ill I feel worse. I think this may count when holding grudges aswell, or not forgiving yourself aswell as forgiving others.

[SKAWF]

okay, so let me put this to you....

lets say we are a small collective of about 50 people.
men women and children.
everything is good. we are free, we work together,
we look after each other though the good times and bad, and we have a strong bond.

then one day, man comes along claiming to be spiritual, so we take him in.

he then begins to divide us,
he lies to us,
he abuses our children,
he murders anyone that opposes or threatens his control,
and our collective is bathed in misery.

what would you do?

let him carry on?
do nothing?
not even reject him?

as i say, i know that carrying out acts of violence harm me long term (harming my DNA as you put it)
but i would still be inclined to crack him around the back of the neck with a big stick.

i would take the risk of harming myself through acts commited upon him,
but that would be nothing to the price we would all pay if no one did anything.

so you just sit there while he destroys our lives, and i'll take care of the problem.

i really think you should delve deeply into finding out what these monsters actually do to people.
talk to some who have been abused, or relatives whose family were murdered.
have a look into the spanish inquisition, and the looting of treasures from south america.
the catholic church have been at it for centuries.

crikey, i'm a bit wound up!

i dont hate them though.
i dont hate the germs on my kitchen work surface either,
i still get rid of them though.
because it falls upon me, if i knowingly expose those in my care to things that harm them.

and with that, i'm going to have a cup of tea.

ciao

i will add, that i saw a tear roll down the face of a man in his 50's, because of what the church did to him. i will never forget that.

[gypsybutterflykiss]

Regarding my feelings about the Vatican, Politicians and Illuminati: Icky, yucky and pooey!

Yea, I just can't send the Vatican, politicians and the illuminuti and all it's ickiness love. It's kind of the same way as dealing with a sociopath, in my opinion.. It just sucks you dry of energy. Hats off to all you though that can actually do that.

It's one thing to forgive, I can do that, but embrace with love, I just can't.. Sorry

[Whiskey_Mystic]

I posted this a few weeks ago in another thread. I invite you to consider it-



So my teacher sat me down and told me a story. Another student of my teacher, whom we will call Lisa, had died the year earlier. She was someone I knew and had spent time in practice with. I knew that Lisa and my teacher were very close and had been for years. My teacher had been working with Lisa closely to help her overcome ritual satanic abuse that she had endured as a child and they had made a lot of progress over the years. But thousands of years ago, they had been mortal enemies. Long story short, Lisa had caused my teacher to be tortured and raped to death. And when she died, my teacher said "I hope someday you know what this feels like". When Lisa died, my teacher wept. Lisa and she had meant so much to each other and taught each other so much. They loved each other.

"And so", she said, "Do you understand? It's all an illusion. None if it is real."

It's appropriate to feel outrage and anger when we see a child harmed. It is very appropriate to take action when we can. But do not take into yourself. Do not make it personal. See the greater picture. Understand that this is all an illusion. Our feelings about this can pull us into the duality that perpetuates the violence if we allow it. These triggers are like the woman in the red dress in the Matrix.

And the other thing is that my teacher told me that in order for her to really spiritually heal this whole situation with Lisa's abuse, she had to be able to see everyone involved in the abuse as divine and perfect in their own right. That was a real challenge. But it was the only way to dissolve it completely.

[enfoldedblue]

Hi,

I definitely agree with the OP. Though I understand how difficult it can be to grasp this perspective. What has been said here represents a choice between dualistic type thingking and oneness type thingking. In duality we have 'us and them'. We have parts that we reject.

In oneness there is no 'other/them' there is just US.

The only way to heal the whole is to recognize EVERYTHING as a part of the whole.

Evil arrises from lack of love. When you research the people who are commiting horrificly evil acts on the planet the one commonality is that they are raised with a lack of real love. Members of the illumnati etc are victims of their own games in sense. The don't just create suffering for the masses they also subject their children to horrific ritual abuse (just as their own parents did).

WE as a whole are sick and the illuminati (or whatever) are the mannifestation of this sickness. Punishing, torturing, bannishing, etc is just more of the same old energy that got us where we are today.

Only by loving and healing the whole (which obviously includes EVERYONE) will we be able to stop the viscious cycle of abuse.

P.S. To the people who are able to commit horrific acts love is like kryptonite to super-man. It is their only weekness. They will never be beat by force...they are masters of that domain. They have errected huge walls within stop them from feeling love. If they ever did feel true love they would fall to their knees and cry as, feeling love would wake up their heart, and require them to actually FEEL what they have done to others.

So yes I say let's HEAL.....let's send love to everypart of the whole...they can only resist the power of love for so long, and the more love is directed their way the quicker we will heal.

Thanks

[Mozart]

Yes, ultimately, love is the solution when it comes to these lying, scheming and pedophilia-prone bastards.


Would you react with love and embrace the bastards if they ripped your child from you and tried to rape/kill your child right in front of you? Would you just allow that kind of **** to happen in your life? Hell, no. The vast majority of people would react with strength that they did not know that they had to protect their child. That power is also love.


Love is not just sending those bastards love/light energy; it not just accepting their roles that they play in tricking you into awakening by causing you to react to the sheer depravity of evil that the perpetuate in the world; it's not just being a pacifist to the point of allowing the bastards to exist and function in this world and to dominate our lives ... a domination that includes the kidnapping and molesting hundreds of thousands of children in the world every year, if not millions. Based on detailed information out there, the number of children who have been sexually molested by these dark bastards is in the millions.


Love is also firmly and strongly stopping those bastards in their tracks and stopping them from fvcking with our children. It's bad enough when the bastards do what they do to destroy our world -- but it's beyond the pale of what they do to our children. I would not hesitate to kill any of those bastards on the spot to protect our kids. Eff 'em! I do not want those dark bastards effing with us anymore!


Enough is enough. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! NO MORE!


So if it takes stomping one's boot on their throats and stabbing them in their hearts with pitchforks to stop them, then that's what it takes, and by God, we'd better have the courage to do that ... and that's what the damn mass arrests are all about. Stopping those bastards once and for all.


Will we do that? I dunno? Would you?


~Mozart

[spiritwind]

My motto is walk softly but carry a sharp stick. Yes I pray for those who oppress others, knowing this is but a grand drama we have all chosen to be a part of and I believe is soon coming to an end, but if they were at my doorstep I would make every effort to stop them from coming in the door to harm my family.

[danceblackcatdance]

totally get the sentiment but at the same time there are enough people out there that love those evil wolves already... if its about not poisoning oneself with hatred, i can do that just don't feel like actually giving them love :)...

[IndigoStar]

totally get the sentiment but at the same time there are enough people out there that love those evil wolves already... if its about not poisoning oneself with hatred, i can do that just don't feel like actually giving them love :)...

The love I am describing is very different from the egoic kind of love that their worshippers give them. It is a love that comes from beyond physical form. It is a love that has no identification with the self-created image of reality. It is the energy that is all that is. It is impossible to understand what I am talking about from a mental or logistic angle. It can only be felt.

The key to sending them love is to realise that you and them are one and the same. Let me try and explain in a different way.

Imagine the universal energy is a big ball (for the sake of simplicity) of light. It can create form in any way it pleases. It moves outward from its centre and on the outer edge of the ball it makes an earth. Then it pushes some bits of the light through that and makes trees and then pushes bits of light through and creates the forms that are people. It does all this to experience different things. The little bits of form all have their own egoic minds. That part of them thinks that they are disconnected from the others because it can't physically see the light that goes down into the ball beyond the physical form.

Wow its hard to put this concept into words!

Ok let me try a different way!

You know those kaleidoscopes you look through when you are a kid and its made up of different bits? It's a bit like that. It's like we are all different bits and we're divided up into smaller and smaller pieces. That's why the macrocosm always reflects microcosm. Because it's all the same. It's like we are different pieces of the same thing. Each person is the centre of their own world and has their perspective but if you were to go inside someone else's body you would see the same world but from a different central perspective.

Oh, maybe I can explain like this...there is one big monster with lots of arms and legs and eyes everywhere on it. You live inside one of the eyes and you can see all the other arms and legs and body parts of the monster. But you think that every other eye belongs to a different being. And some of those eyes are what you might like to call idiots. So let's say you are an aggressive person and you want to show that eye what an idiot it is. So you stab the leg where it sits. You can't feel that pain physically due to the make up of this monster. (It can only feel pain within each limb that is hurt) but it destroys your dna too because you are the creature you stabbed. If you could view the monster from a higher perspective you would see the whole being and realise that all the eyes belong to the same creature and then you wouldn't harm it because you'd realise you'd harm yourself.

That is kind of a crude description. I'm trying to simplify the concept but it's so hard to put it into words. I'm sure there are more eloquent people here that can do a better job...help me out?
For me this realisation is vital if mankind is to evolve past our current state of consciousness which is like a cancer on the earth, killing each other and killing ourselves.

But danceblackcatdance - if you do what I describe for the reason of not poisoning yourself, it's a start!

[IndigoStar]

That may be why, when I sit down moaping when I'm ill I feel worse. I think this may count when holding grudges aswell, or not forgiving yourself aswell as forgiving others.

Yes that is right. It's also because when you mope you are identified with the egoic mind and you are reliving the past and contemplating the future. When you give all your attention to the now it is impossible to feel bad. Teachings from Eckhart Tolle - the power of now.

[IndigoStar]

okay, so let me put this to you....

lets say we are a small collective of about 50 people.
men women and children.
everything is good. we are free, we work together,
we look after each other though the good times and bad, and we have a strong bond.

then one day, man comes along claiming to be spiritual, so we take him in.

he then begins to divide us,
he lies to us,
he abuses our children,
he murders anyone that opposes or threatens his control,
and our collective is bathed in misery.

what would you do?

let him carry on?
do nothing?
not even reject him?

as i say, i know that carrying out acts of violence harm me long term (harming my DNA as you put it)
but i would still be inclined to crack him around the back of the neck with a big stick.

i would take the risk of harming myself through acts commited upon him,
but that would be nothing to the price we would all pay if no one did anything.

so you just sit there while he destroys our lives, and i'll take care of the problem.

i really think you should delve deeply into finding out what these monsters actually do to people.
talk to some who have been abused, or relatives whose family were murdered.
have a look into the spanish inquisition, and the looting of treasures from south america.
the catholic church have been at it for centuries.

crikey, i'm a bit wound up!

i dont hate them though.
i dont hate the germs on my kitchen work surface either,
i still get rid of them though.
because it falls upon me, if i knowingly expose those in my care to things that harm them.

and with that, i'm going to have a cup of tea.

ciao

i will add, that i saw a tear roll down the face of a man in his 50's, because of what the church did to him. i will never forget that.

Firstly as a group we would each have to take personal responsibility for taking in this fraud. We all accepted and believed him so we are to blame for the mess that we created by doing so. That is the first step to changing the situation. Not tell ourselves we were dumb, not tell ourselves we should feel bad for being stupid and believing him. Telling ourselves that we did the best we knew at that time and our intention was good and we are glad this happened because it taught us a valuable lesson and in future if it happens again we'll be much wiser.

Then we stop focusing on all this man did in the past. We all focus our intention on the present moment. In that instant our consciousness will begin to shift. We will no longer be thinking about the hurt this man caused because it was all done in the past. The thoughts that we create at any given moment are like radio signals. They send out an energetic vibration that creates the future. So if we continue to focus on the horrid things he did (and intensify that by feeling anger along with the thoughts) we will create more of the same. The universe doens't have a concept of positive/negative, it just manifests whatever signal you send it. The only way to change the future situation is to change the now. So when we focus on the present moment it is impossible to focus on that bad stuff. We start to hear the birds that we thought had stopped singing because of his horrific ways. We start to see the colours around us that seemed to have become dull and grey. The world starts to come alive again. That man that lied starts to feel the energy emanating from our group. He doesn't like it because it's so different from his own energy. In fact it starts to make him feel a bit sick. It's taking away his identity. He no longer has power over us to make us feel negativity. He is no longer able to feed off us. He starts to shrink away, withering, aging and very soon he dies.

The reason you felt wound up when you were writing the post was because my concepts have challenged your egoic mind. That is the part of you that identifies who you are (it isn't really you but it's in control). The egoic mind doesn't like to be challenged because it fears losing power. You may start to feel annoyed again when you read this. As you do, observe the part of you that is annoyed. If you can do that you'll will find your true self. The observer.

I hope you enjoyed your cup of tea!

With regard to the man that cried....we can't change the past. We can only move on. We can only change the future so that it doesn't happen to others. I propose we stop focusing on the hurt of the past and shift our awareness to the present in order to change the future.

Ps. If anyone has read the works of Eckhart Tolle you will realise that I am referring to his teachings a lot.

[IndigoStar]

Regarding my feelings about the Vatican, Politicians and Illuminati: Icky, yucky and pooey!

Yea, I just can't send the Vatican, politicians and the illuminuti and all it's ickiness love. It's kind of the same way as dealing with a sociopath, in my opinion.. It just sucks you dry of energy. Hats off to all you though that can actually do that.

It's one thing to forgive, I can do that, but embrace with love, I just can't.. Sorry

Yes it would suck you dry of energy if the love came from the ego. This kind of love can only come from the place of oneness which is beyond the veil. If you haven't experienced it you won't be able to understand it on an intellectual level because it can't be intellectualized.

Forgiveness is a good start but there is no need to apologize. You haven't done anything 'wrong.' But consider that good and bad don't exist. Every situation that we encounter is purely for development on a soul level. So we incarnate with different roles, some choose to play a goody, some play a baddy and we make complicated situations and the game is to figure out how to make things harmonious again. Every 'baddy' that you meet is there to teach you a lesson. So when you meet a person that seems out of balance (I'll explain that in a minute) ask yourself what you are learning from this situation. Once you realise that, very often the 'baddy' goes away because he no longer has a purpose in your life.

Balance: We are all beautifully, centred, loving beings. We are all born that way. You only have to look into the eyes of a baby to see its innocence and purity. What happens to us as we get older affects our inner balance. This starts at birth. Some children are born into bright, hospital lights, having their limbs yanked by nurses and drops put into their eyes. Immediately they get a tiny, bit unbalanced. Something doesn't feel right to them. Their centre point gets pushed out of line, just a tiny bit. Then more and more things happen to them in their life and their view of reality becomes obscured. They can't see how things really are anymore. They've forgotten. They can't feel the purity and love they felt as a child. It has turned into more negative emotions.

If this unbalanced person did a lot of meditation, spent time in nature, eat pure foods, did yoga etc etc they would once again start to return to their original energy and re-balance.

If this unbalanced person (who has already done 'bad' because they are lost) experienced lots of people hating them, telling them they are evil, with their obscured view of life they would get futher and further away from their centre and start to do 'evil' things because that's all they would know and understand.

So the question is, do we want to push these people further from their centre of balance and make them into bigger monsters, or can we recognise how sad it is that they have forgotten their true nature? That they are no longer able to feel love. How awful it must be to be inside their bodies and minds and feel that obscurity, feel that pain that they are inevitably carrying around. And not know how to get out of that situation. They have trapped themselves. To us it's obvious what they must do - just start being kind, but when you are so far from your centre, your view of reality so obscured, it is impossible to see clearly. They are unable to discern as we are. It's very sad.
They can only return to their centr

[RedeZra]

I propose that we send love to the pope. We send positive thoughts to the illuminati. We thank them all for providing us with this wonderful opportunity to break free from oppression. They have taught us a lot. They have allowed us to grow spiritually from this challenging situation we have found ourselves in. As a result, the universe has expanded.



let us not condone evil but protect our children ourselves and communities from monster behavior

i'm afraid humans have been influenced and people in power possessed by invisible evils

and we lack the means and method to combat these dark forces


we are up against an incredible organized crime empire who have taken over almost every government and religious institution in the world

the controllers are not human but the goal is total control of the population

[IndigoStar]

let us not condone evil but protect our children ourselves and communities from monster behavior.

I am not proposing that we condone evil. I am proposing firstly that evil does not exist, merely different experiences.


i'm afraid humans have been influenced and people in power possessed by invisible evils.

Fear is your emotion behind your ill-feeling towards the 'evils' you perceive. Fear is an ego driven emotion.


and we lack the means and method to combat these dark forces.
we are up against an incredible organized crime empire who have taken over almost every government and religious institution in the world.
the controllers are not human but the goal is total control of the population

We have the means and methods to 'combat' the 'dark forces.' The means and methods are those I have described. Love and focusing on the moment that is now.

For eons humans have been repeating history - committing crimes, identifying the evil doer, punishing them and then what happens? A new evil doer appears to replace the one that was killed or punished or banished or removed. If we use the same technique this time, history will only repeat itself again. It is time for a new approach. We need to break free of this cycle.

When you divide humanity into good/bad, us/them, wrong/right you are creating a divided world. You can either be on one side or the other. This model does not have space for peace. This model is ego driven. The true controller is the ego mind. When you identify 'them' as wrong and yourself as 'right,' you feel an elation, a kind of inner boost, that you somehow are BETTER than the other person. That is your ego. That is also the reason people bully others, if I call you an idiot, a gay, an anything...the mere fact that I'm calling you that in a negative way shows that I am not that thing, therefore I am superior. I feel better then (or my egoic mind does).

We must transcend division, we must transcend the basic concept of right/wrong, good/evil. We must transcend our own egos. That is how we will 'win.'

[IndigoStar]

And when she died, my teacher said "I hope someday you know what this feels like".

Thank you for sharing that story Whiskey_Mystic. I like this line the most. If we always want the perpetrator to experience the suffering we endure, the cycle is continuous. You suffer, so I suffer, so you suffer, so I suffer. I think it's time to change the theme of the circle - you love, so I love, so you love, so I love. It takes strength, courage and wisdom to break free from the cycle of suffering. And like you said, it takes the ability to see the bigger picture.

[IndigoStar]

I would not hesitate to kill any of those bastards on the spot to protect our kids. Eff 'em! I do not want those dark bastards effing with us anymore!
So if it takes stomping one's boot on their throats and stabbing them in their hearts with pitchforks to stop them, then that's what it takes....

~Mozart

That which you hate, you become...you talk of stabbing people in their hearts with pitchforks. That sounds like something that the 'evil' people would do to me.
Becoming them does not stop them. They are like a cancer cell. They mutate and grow and take over the pure cells. If you were to kill in that way you would become part of the cancer.

[IndigoStar]

My motto is walk softly but carry a sharp stick. Yes I pray for those who oppress others, knowing this is but a grand drama we have all chosen to be a part of and I believe is soon coming to an end, but if they were at my doorstep I would make every effort to stop them from coming in the door to harm my family.

If you are carrying a sharp stick you are already contemplating becoming a murderer. It's like having one foot in the door of the vatican saying I don't like you but I'm leaving the door open in case I want to come in and join do.

I'm not saying I wouldn't defend my family. I'm not saying don't protect your family. But when you remove the fear, you remove the need to protect. Fear is an emotion created by your ego so that it can stay in control. What is it that you ultimately fear....death? Death is merely re-birth. There is nothing to fear. There is no need for violence. We can choose to create a peaceful world, but to do so we have to put down our sharp sticks. Then we have to open our arms to embrace our enemies. The ones that are the hardest to love are the ones that need it the most.

[Lifebringer]

I agree. TuTu and others have said it many times, to remain neutral is to give consent. I don't like being in a helpless victim status. I am martial artist and like a ninja am a believer of Christ the Son of God, however have been a victim of too many crimes against a woman, and refuse to be the gullible sweet woman and submit to domestic violence or other horrific things "this material world does to us. I have 5 daughters and they too know how to "not be a victim."
What I've found was this human being planet was to be for peaceful minded beings on the way to achieving awakening by God without wars or fighting. Well you see how all that turned out. Lucifer came down and screwed that with his minions, but forewarning is forearmed spiritually and there is that dual world thingy also. So since the evil/rebellious one taught us war and lived by the sword, Jesus the King of Kings and Lord of Lords will ride in and end this madness soon in the spiritual. Choice to do other things besides bad things have become few and far inbetween for the youth and 30 somethings.
This fake world of fairy tales, lies and deceptions, does not deserve neutrality from the inhabitants, but a very firm repremand to arrest those responsible, with some good ole fashion Divine Intervention and prayer for our Heavenly family to act on behalf of God/Jesus/Yashuah.
The courage of the people is it's strength in truth and justice and universal law.

[IndigoStar]

You base your opinion on past events because that is how your egoic mind identifies itself. It is who it wants you to believe you are. That is a false identity. When you let go of the past you will release the hurt that you are carrying around with you. It's like carrying around hot stones, waiting for your enemy to appear so that you can throw them at him. In the meantime you burn your own hands.


Jesus the King of Kings and Lord of Lords will ride in and end this madness soon in the spiritual.

The egoic mind is based in past and future. Past is all the hurt you experienced which made you feel a victim. Future is hope that someone will come and save us. When you let go of both ideas and focus your intention 100% in the current moment you will experience a weight lifting off you. You will feel the truth that you are really are. And that's how change will come. The future doesn't exist. All that exists is one continuous now. You are the one that will save yourself. When you realise this. You are Jesus. You have christ consciousness within you. Only you can choose to end this madness in the spiritual. Not in the past. Not in the future. Now.

Recognising the drama that is playing out with 'good' vs 'evil' is one step towards a higher consciousness. Moving beyond that to realising that we are all one, all inter-connected and everything affects the whole is a step to another level of consciousness beyond the awareness of the drama.

[Fred Steeves]

Hi IndigoStar, most excellent thread! And a most needed one as well, especially in this time. For whatever reason I've never really chosen to delve into Eckhart Tolle's stuff, but it looks as if we come straggling up to this point from many a different direction. Doesn't really matter which one does it?

Only in the last few months has it really begun hitting home, and hitting deeply home at that, what you are so elequently talking about here. Personally, atleast so far anyway, my calling on this is not so much based in sending "them" love, but in holding an energetic place for them out of compassion for their long suffering. Like saving a seat on the bus so to speak.

There's like a little visual parable stuck in my head, and it goes something like this: I patiently wait while my brother endlessly wails his head into that old brick wall. When the moment finally comes, and it will come, where he stumbles backwards, dazed and bleeding, wondering just what in the hell is happening and what he is doing, I'll gently take him by the hand and we'll head for home.

When the two prodigal sons finally arrive home, where there was always a light left on for them, to their astonishment they realize they were actually just one...THE Prodigal Son.

Cheers,
Fred

[IndigoStar]

Yes Fred,
Just as people awaken to the drama/illusion that is playing out in 3d only when the time is right for them on their path of evolution, so too can they only awaken to the truth beyond that, to the deeper/high level of awareness when the time is right. I don't know if me pointing it out can really influence it. Maybe it can only happen when the time is right.
I hope that my words serve to awaken something deep within those that are concious of the matrix, allowing them to delve deeper and become part of the solution.
I patiently wait for my beloved brothers and sisters.

- and I am sure that there are many deeper levels of awareness awaiting us beyond this one! An infinite journey of bountiful creative expression!

[RedeZra]

let us not condone evil but protect our children ourselves and communities from monster behavior.

I am not proposing that we condone evil. I am proposing firstly that evil does not exist, merely different experiences.




wow where to begin

where have you been ?


this is basic stuff you know

good and evil

in fact it is this knowledge that makes us human

[IndigoStar]

wow where to begin. where have you been ? this is basic stuff you know. good and evil. in fact it is this knowledge that makes us human

Good and evil are constructs of the mind. It is like an illusion to allow us to experience a world of duality where provides us with a learning opportunity. Your thoughts create your reality. When you see through the illusion that is merely 2 sides to the same coin your consciousness expands and you can move to a place of peaceful creation, ending duality and living in oneness. That puts an end to the 'evil' that you want to fight.

Have you ever tried to explain the concept of the new world order to your family and friends, to make them understand what is going on right before their very eyes, but they are unable to see? And now that you see you want to help them awaken to the truth of reality?

That is what I am trying to do but on a deeper level. Take you to the next step. And there are many more steps beyond....

[danceblackcatdance]

good and evil are just the opposite sides of the same coin, you're saying the 'love' vibration is accepting the whole coin for what it is? :)

[RedeZra]

wow where to begin. where have you been ? this is basic stuff you know. good and evil. in fact it is this knowledge that makes us human

Good and evil are constructs of the mind. It is like an illusion to allow us to experience a world of duality where provides us with a learning opportunity. Your thoughts create your reality. When you see through the illusion that is merely 2 sides to the same coin your consciousness expands and you can move to a place of peaceful creation, ending duality and living in oneness. That puts an end to the 'evil' that you want to fight.




it sounds so nice but are you sure this is reality and not just a concept of reality

in other words are you sure what you are saying is true and not a lie

who is your source for this understanding

or who is your idol ?

[IndigoStar]

good and evil are just the opposite sides of the same coin, you're saying the 'love' vibration is accepting the whole coin for what it is? :)

I'm not sure I'd call it the 'love vibration' because everyone has their own personal understanding of different terms, and that is why it gets difficult to put these concepts into words. What that expression means to you could mean something quite different to another person. But I think you've got it!

We are the coin! The coin has become conscious of itself, so the coin no longer wants to beat itself from both sides. You are you. I am me. We are each other. With that understanding comes peace, acceptance and unity.

[IndigoStar]

it sounds so nice but are you sure this is reality and not just a concept of reality.
in other words are you sure what you are saying is true and not a lie.
who is your source for this understanding?
or who is your idol ?

The only thing I know for sure is I know nothing. I speak from experience. When you have felt what I describe there is no doubt about the true nature of reality. It cannot be understood. It can only be felt. I have no idols. I am everything. Everything is me. Attachment to belief systems is limiting. Embrace all.
I speak my truth. I know no other.

It is good that you question in this way. Believe nothing. Question everything.

[Alie]

Please note --- I understand your idea completely. In my everyday life I am a non-confronter. However, as I become awake to the atrocities foisted upon mankind by the vatican, politicians and illuminati, I can not not thank them as a 3D soul.

If we were to agree that we all are playing a role on this 3D stage of life, then I believe actions require actions rather than thinking thoughts while the other side acts.

So here's a scene ...

The Vatican actors, elite politician actors and illuminati actors start a bonfire. Then they bring a few babies and beautiful little children from offstage. Then they brutally rape all of them. Then they cut their jugular veins and drink the blood. Then they throw these innocent children into the bonfire. Then they continue their orgy ... laughing and making merry.

Ok, now we, as the actors playing the awakened group of humanity, come from all over the playhouse onto the stage and thank them for their service to humanity for what they just did to the children.

NO! This is not an action that I believe is scripted. Maybe it is, but I just can't imagine the audience would buy it.

If I were writing the script --- at least for me, Alie --- I would have Alie come from back stage with a sword and behead them.


I think the final scene should be in this 3D world play should be rounding up these people and showing them pictures, videos, holograms, of their crimes against humanity and especially what they did to all the innocent children.

It is said that there is a lake of fire. Maybe that is the closing scene, I don't know.


Here is a thread by Houman, endorsed by Bill Ryan ("[URL="http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit) regarding these atrocities.

[spiritwind]

My motto is walk softly but carry a sharp stick. Yes I pray for those who oppress others, knowing this is but a grand drama we have all chosen to be a part of and I believe is soon coming to an end, but if they were at my doorstep I would make every effort to stop them from coming in the door to harm my family.

If you are carrying a sharp stick you are already contemplating becoming a murderer. It's like having one foot in the door of the vatican saying I don't like you but I'm leaving the door open in case I want to come in and join do.

I'm not saying I wouldn't defend my family. I'm not saying don't protect your family. But when you remove the fear, you remove the need to protect. Fear is an emotion created by your ego so that it can stay in control. What is it that you ultimately fear....death? Death is merely re-birth. There is nothing to fear. There is no need for violence. We can choose to create a peaceful world, but to do so we have to put down our sharp sticks. Then we have to open our arms to embrace our enemies. The ones that are the hardest to love are the ones that need it the most.

I didn't say anything about leaving the door open.
It's no different than going for a walk where there might be cougars in the area. Yes, we do create our own realities but from all appearances it doesn't look to me like we're quite there yet (being able to consciously always create what we want/avoid what we consciously don't want - at least I'm not). I have a friend who spouts this all the time and yet she hasn't been able to lose weight eating whatever she wants which she should be able to do if her beliefs were strong enough. Plus, how about the Native Americans who were given blankets infected with smallpox. They didn't even know what smallpox was but they still died. Not saying we shouldn't be striving to move towards what you are saying. Just because I might chose to defend my family against someone with the intent to harm or kill doesn't mean I harbor hate in my heart towards them. I also recognize that I will probably have some karma to reckon with as a result. I don't think there is ever one right answer for every situation, but that's just my opinion.

[RedeZra]

The only thing I know for sure is I know nothing. I speak from experience. When you have felt what I describe there is no doubt about the true nature of reality. It cannot be understood. It can only be felt. I have no idols. I am everything. Everything is me. Attachment to belief systems is limiting. Embrace all.
I speak my truth. I know no other.



ah euphoria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euphoria) ; )

i'm glad you're feeling well

but life is not only emotional


it is also physical (body) mental (soul) and spiritual as in spirit

we are walking talking trinities

made in God's image


God hates evil ; )

[another bob]

Someone asked the following question to the Dalai Lama:

"How does a person or group of people compassionately and yet straightforwardly confront another person or group of people who have committed crimes of genocide against them?"

DL: "When talking about compassion and compassionately dealing with such situations one must bear in mind what is meant by compassionately dealing with such cases. Being compassionate towards such people or such a person does not mean that you allow the other person to do whatever the other person or group of people wishes to do, inflicting suffering upon you and so on. Rather, compassionately dealing with such a situation has a different meaning.

When a person or group of people deals with such a situation and tries to prevent such crimes there is generally speaking two ways in which you could do that, or one could say, two motivations. One is out of confrontation, out of hatred that confronts such a situation. There is another case in which, although in action it may be of the same force and strength, but the motivation would not be out of hatred and anger but rather out of compassion towards the perpetrators of these crimes.

Realising that if you allow the other person, the perpetrator of the crime, to indulge his or her own negative habits then in the long run the other person or group is going to suffer the consequences of that negative action. Therefore, out of the consideration of the potential suffering for the perpetrator of such crimes, then you confront the situation and apply equally forceful and strong measures.

I think this is quite relevant and important in modern society, especially in a competitive society. When someone genuinely practices compassion, forgiveness and humility then sometimes some people will take advantage of such a situation. Sometimes it is necessary to take a countermeasure, then with that kind of reasoning and compassion, the countermeasure is taken with reasoning and compassion rather than out of negative emotion. That is actually more effective and appropriate. This is important. For example my own case with Tibet in a national struggle against injustice we take action without using negative emotion. It sometimes seems more effective.

One of the reasons there is a need to adopt a strong countermeasure against someone who harms you is that, if you let it pass, there is a danger of that person becoming habituated to extremely negative actions, which in the long run will cause that person's own downfall and is very destructive for the individual himself or herself. Therefore a strong countermeasure, taken out of compassion or a sense of concern for the other, is necessary. When you are motivated by that realization, then there is a sense of concern as part of your motive for taking that strong measure.

...One of the reasons why there is some ground to feel compassionate toward a perpetrator of crime or an aggressor is that the aggressor, because he or she is perpetrating a crime, is at the causal stage, accumulating the causes and conditions that later lead to undesirable consequences. So, from that point of view, there is enough ground to feel compassionate toward the aggressor."

[Fred Steeves]

Good one Bob, even in my own experience I've seen many times how trying to live a kind, compassionate life can be confused as being weak and a push over. Once that certain line is crossed, and someone becomes intent on taking advantage and running wild through your life, measured but appropriate action needs to be taken to make them cease in their efforts. And yes, this can, and should also be done with compassion.

Easier said than done of course, especially in the heat of the moment, but then we also need show compassion for ourselves when we fall short of this ideal. No one ever said it's easy huh?(LOL)

[IndigoStar]

If we were to agree that we all are playing a role on this 3D stage of life, then I believe actions require actions rather than thinking thoughts while the other side acts.

Actually it would work better to think no thoughts at all. To have a completely clear mind. That is when one is in the space of consciousness. That is the space where all creation is manifested from.
If a big enough group of people were to stay for long enough in this state of mind the other side would no longer be physcially able to act out their crimes. We would see great change. We have been looking outwards for so long that we have forgotten where that world begins. Change the inside and the outside will automatically change with it.


So here's a scene ...

The Vatican actors, elite politician actors and illuminati actors start a bonfire. Then they bring a few babies and beautiful little children from offstage. Then they brutally rape all of them. Then they cut their jugular veins and drink the blood. Then they throw these innocent children into the bonfire. Then they continue their orgy ... laughing and making merry.

Ok, now we, as the actors playing the awakened group of humanity, come from all over the playhouse onto the stage and thank them for their service to humanity for what they just did to the children.

You are still thinking in terms of duality. I have tried to explain in many different ways the concept of them/us. They are one and the same. This group of people is you. Once this primary concept is understood nobody will have thoughts of destruction anymore.



If I were writing the script --- at least for me, Alie --- I would have Alie come from back stage with a sword and behead them.

That which you hate you become. By this logic, if murder requires the action of murder, someone would then have to murder you for your crime, and then we'd have to murder them for murdering you...it never ends. Unless we choose to end this cycle. Even if you beheaded them, they would just re-appear in different bodies as different groups of people doing the same thing. And you'd reincarnate and kill them again and this would carry on for eons until all concerned learnt a way to end the cycle. And it has been carrying on for eons. Look at history. It's all a repitition of the same scenario.


I think the final scene should be in this 3D world play should be rounding up these people and showing them pictures, videos, holograms, of their crimes against humanity and especially what they did to all the innocent children.

It is not our place to judge other souls. They will judge themselves when they die and go through that process. Then they will realise their own mistakes and pay for it in that way. We would all do better to turn the spotlight on ourselves. It's much harder to find our own faults than those of others. When we realise our own mistakes and judge ourselves we can begin to heal, we can change and the outer world will improve as a result.



Here is a thread by Houman, endorsed by Bill Ryan ([URL="http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit") regarding these atrocities.

The link doesn't work for me : /

[Camilo]

They're all one and the same. Corruption, control, deceit, you name it.

Why the question?....is there any doubt about it at all for you or any one awake and aware on this planet?

[IndigoStar]

I didn't say anything about leaving the door open.

I was trying to liken the carrying of a weapon to having the option of killing (joining the 'evil' ones) if deemed necessary.


It's no different than going for a walk where there might be cougars in the area.

If you had peace in your heart and inner balance and walked without fear, maybe the cougars wouldn't bother you. There are many men that have lived with wolves and stroked lions.


Yes, we do create our own realities but from all appearances it doesn't look to me like we're quite there yet (being able to consciously always create what we want/avoid what we consciously don't want - at least I'm not).

I don't think we are there yet either, but I think we are well on our way. To at least have an understanding of how these universal laws work is a start. Putting them into practise is more challenging, as you say. I encourage everyone to try and start practising, because like with everything practise makes perfect and you've got to start somewhere. We can look at all the problems in the world and say oh it's such a mess we'll never be able to do it or we can focus on our progress and say yeh, let's do this together. We are strong, we are capable.


I have a friend who spouts this all the time and yet she hasn't been able to lose weight eating whatever she wants which she should be able to do if her beliefs were strong enough.

Yes, being the change you wish to see in the world is much more effective than just talking it. People take more more notice of actions than words.


Plus, how about the Native Americans who were given blankets infected with smallpox. They didn't even know what smallpox was but they still died. Not saying we shouldn't be striving to move towards what you are saying. Just because I might chose to defend my family against someone with the intent to harm or kill doesn't mean I harbor hate in my heart towards them. I also recognize that I will probably have some karma to reckon with as a result. I don't think there is ever one right answer for every situation, but that's just my opinion.

I guess the Native Americans weren't completely in balance, but they were likely a lot more balanced than the ones that gave them the blankets!

There are many different solutions to every problem we face but the most effective solution for every situation is always love.

[Alie]

If we were to agree that we all are playing a role on this 3D stage of life, then I believe actions require actions rather than thinking thoughts while the other side acts.

Actually it would work better to think no thoughts at all. To have a completely clear mind. That is when one is in the space of consciousness. That is the space where all creation is manifested from.
If a big enough group of people were to stay for long enough in this state of mind the other side would no longer be physcially able to act out their crimes. We would see great change. We have been looking outwards for so long that we have forgotten where that world begins. Change the inside and the outside will automatically change with it.


So here's a scene ...

The Vatican actors, elite politician actors and illuminati actors start a bonfire. Then they bring a few babies and beautiful little children from offstage. Then they brutally rape all of them. Then they cut their jugular veins and drink the blood. Then they throw these innocent children into the bonfire. Then they continue their orgy ... laughing and making merry.

Ok, now we, as the actors playing the awakened group of humanity, come from all over the playhouse onto the stage and thank them for their service to humanity for what they just did to the children.

You are still thinking in terms of duality. I have tried to explain in many different ways the concept of them/us. They are one and the same. This group of people is you. Once this primary concept is understood nobody will have thoughts of destruction anymore.



If I were writing the script --- at least for me, Alie --- I would have Alie come from back stage with a sword and behead them.

That which you hate you become. By this logic, if murder requires the action of murder, someone would then have to murder you for your crime, and then we'd have to murder them for murdering you...it never ends. Unless we choose to end this cycle. Even if you beheaded them, they would just re-appear in different bodies as different groups of people doing the same thing. And you'd reincarnate and kill them again and this would carry on for eons until all concerned learnt a way to end the cycle. And it has been carrying on for eons. Look at history. It's all a repitition of the same scenario.


I think the final scene should be in this 3D world play should be rounding up these people and showing them pictures, videos, holograms, of their crimes against humanity and especially what they did to all the innocent children.

It is not our place to judge other souls. They will judge themselves when they die and go through that process. Then they will realise their own mistakes and pay for it in that way. We would all do better to turn the spotlight on ourselves. It's much harder to find our own faults than those of others. When we realise our own mistakes and judge ourselves we can begin to heal, we can change and the outer world will improve as a result.



Here is a thread by Houman, endorsed by Bill Ryan ([URL="http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit") regarding these atrocities.

The link doesn't work for me : /

Sorry about the link: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit

IndigoStar

I prefaced my response with saying I understand your premise. And you certainly have good counterpoints to what I wrote.

You are pointing out something that I conceptually understand, but do not live out. I am not anything at the moment but a 3D human, and it goes with duality. If/when I ascend to a dimension where I no longer encounter this present day duality, then I won't have any need to be in a "play", acting. Perhaps I'll just "be". But for now, I am not there yet.

So, my analogy about beheading isn't about judging --- it's about acting --- a counteraction to their action. And of course we're talking about a playwright or screenwriter, not myself. And in this duality that I exist in, I do recognize evil. Evil might have many reasons/effects that result from it, but it also causes pain and suffering, which I do not wish to perpetuate.

[IndigoStar]

Why the question?....is there any doubt about it at all for you or any one awake and aware on this planet?

To highlight the emotions that many people are harbouring within themselves, and as a result causing damage to themselves and the whole planet. And also to propose a solution to effectively change this situation.

[EnergyGardener]

It is possible to still love a guest that has overstayed their welcome.

However, to allow that unwelcome guest to remain is not only irresponsible, but hostile to one's self, family, and in this case, Earth, our Galaxy, our universe, and for our immediate interests and cause: humanity.

Loving someone else that has and intends to bring you further harm—and they do—sometimes requires a reminder to one's self and others, it is time to remove this unwelcome guest with force: This is most easily done by refusing to support those things they rely upon for survival, namely our complicity with 'their game'. This is becoming easier since their infrastructure / system is crumbling around them and the momentum of destruction by their own design. Perhaps this is best described as "Tough Love" for our current captors.

I shall love them before, during and after they depart to the far reaches of our universe.

It is with "unconditional love" that we accomplish the greatest of all things. We experience unconditional love as we enter, endure and depart every incarnation.

:wizard:

[Camilo]

Why the question?....is there any doubt about it at all for you or any one awake and aware on this planet?

To highlight the emotions that many people are harbouring within themselves, and as a result causing damage to themselves and the whole planet. And also to propose a solution to effectively change this situation.

Nock yourself out.

[IndigoStar]

Why the question?....is there any doubt about it at all for you or any one awake and aware on this planet?

To highlight the emotions that many people are harbouring within themselves, and as a result causing damage to themselves and the whole planet. And also to propose a solution to effectively change this situation.

Nock yourself out.

I think I did already! ;)

PS. The spelling is knock with a silent 'k' :)

[SKAWF]

Firstly as a group we would each have to take personal responsibility for taking in this fraud. We all accepted and believed him so we are to blame for the mess that we created by doing so. That is the first step to changing the situation. Not tell ourselves we were dumb, not tell ourselves we should feel bad for being stupid and believing him. Telling ourselves that we did the best we knew at that time and our intention was good and we are glad this happened because it taught us a valuable lesson and in future if it happens again we'll be much wiser.

Then we stop focusing on all this man did in the past. We all focus our intention on the present moment. In that instant our consciousness will begin to shift. We will no longer be thinking about the hurt this man caused because it was all done in the past. The thoughts that we create at any given moment are like radio signals. They send out an energetic vibration that creates the future. So if we continue to focus on the horrid things he did (and intensify that by feeling anger along with the thoughts) we will create more of the same. The universe doens't have a concept of positive/negative, it just manifests whatever signal you send it. The only way to change the future situation is to change the now. So when we focus on the present moment it is impossible to focus on that bad stuff. We start to hear the birds that we thought had stopped singing because of his horrific ways. We start to see the colours around us that seemed to have become dull and grey. The world starts to come alive again. That man that lied starts to feel the energy emanating from our group. He doesn't like it because it's so different from his own energy. In fact it starts to make him feel a bit sick. It's taking away his identity. He no longer has power over us to make us feel negativity. He is no longer able to feed off us. He starts to shrink away, withering, aging and very soon he dies.

The reason you felt wound up when you were writing the post was because my concepts have challenged your egoic mind. That is the part of you that identifies who you are (it isn't really you but it's in control). The egoic mind doesn't like to be challenged because it fears losing power. You may start to feel annoyed again when you read this. As you do, observe the part of you that is annoyed. If you can do that you'll will find your true self. The observer.

I hope you enjoyed your cup of tea!

With regard to the man that cried....we can't change the past. We can only move on. We can only change the future so that it doesn't happen to others. I propose we stop focusing on the hurt of the past and shift our awareness to the present in order to change the future.

Ps. If anyone has read the works of Eckhart Tolle you will realise that I am referring to his teachings a lot.

you're making a lot of assumptions about me. based mostly on someone elses words, which you have identified with.

i disagree that your post made me angry because they challenged my egoic mind.

if anything, i was wound up, because you seem disconnected from reality in some respects.
we 're not talking solely about things that happened in the past. we are talking about a current, and ongoing situation
are you someone who looks upon someone with love while they are punching you in the face?,
believe it or not, evil doers dont care how you see them..... if you're a 'love and light' merchant, they get off on that, because you wont resist them in any way

you may not like to hear this, but i suggest you find your own way in this world,
rather than taking on someone elses philosophy like its your own, and then projecting it onto everyone else. like its something we should fall in line with.

and as i say, you have absolutely no idea who i am, or the life i have led.
you make massive assumptions about me.
my ego is a tool that is employed. not something that i am subservient to. and when i'm not using it, it stays in its box.

i found my own path in this life by actually searching for it.
i didnt get it from anyone else, or out of a book.

its not about what someone else taught you.
its about how YOU have utilised the things you have learned.

and yes i enjoyed my tea.

[IndigoStar]

but life is not only emotional. it is also physical (body) mental (soul) and spiritual as in spirit. we are walking talking trinities . made in God's image. God hates evil ; )

I agree that we are complex beings. The physical aspects however are only illusion. Everything you see can be alikened to a holographic image projection. The only reason you can physcially feel things is because of their density, it appears that you are touching them. However you never actually touch anything, you just feel the resistance between the atom surfaces. 99% of everything is actually made up of space. In that space is an 'invisible' energy which throughout the ages has been given different terms - chi, life force energy, ether, it's all the same. It's basically intelligent energy (or God). So everything is made up of that so everything is god. God can't hate. God is all, thus god is what you perceive as evil.

'Made in God's image' is a phrase taken from the bible which was actually a mistranslation from the original hebrew version. The word god in the original language (elohim) was plural (GODS). The people at the time saw ets coming 'down from the heavens' and mistakenly saw them as gods. An easy mistake to make, considering their advanced technology and powers in comparison. The ets were the ones that created the human race, using advanced dna technology. They made us to be similar to themselves, ie 'in their image.'

[IndigoStar]

Sorry about the link: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit

IndigoStar

I prefaced my response with saying I understand your premise. And you certainly have good counterpoints to what I wrote.

You are pointing out something that I conceptually understand, but do not live out. I am not anything at the moment but a 3D human, and it goes with duality. If/when I ascend to a dimension where I no longer encounter this present day duality, then I won't have any need to be in a "play", acting. Perhaps I'll just "be". But for now, I am not there yet.

So, my analogy about beheading isn't about judging --- it's about acting --- a counteraction to their action. And of course we're talking about a playwright or screenwriter, not myself. And in this duality that I exist in, I do recognize evil. Evil might have many reasons/effects that result from it, but it also causes pain and suffering, which I do not wish to perpetuate.

Thanks for the thread link. It's long but looks interesting so I'll have a read!
You are very close to experiencing what I describe and you will soon live it out :)
What I describe is taking action, it's just a very different form of action than humans are used to so is recognised by the majority as inaction.
Nor do I wish to perpetuate the ongoing suffering of humanity. It can be ended very quickly. It only takes the expansion of consiousness to a deeper level. I'm trying to give people a little nudge in this direction, awaken something deep within the soul. When a critical mass of humanity achieves this we will see big changes occur.

There are many levels of awareness. Each brings more powerful forms of change and healing. One level of awareness is to recognise the drama being played out and the 'evil' that these groups condone. Once that awareness is reached people change their behaviour and attitudes. A result of this is for example they stop going to church. That has further consequences of the catholic church slowly dying (and it will with time as more people reach this stage of awareness). As it dies out it will lose power. It will have less opportunity to indulge in corrupt behaviour.

There is a level of awareness beyond this one which changes the behaviour and attitude of people once again. That is the recognition that we are all connected and every action, thought, emotion has an effect on the whole. This understanding brings a big shift in awareness.

This is how we are evolving, we are constantly reaching new levels of awareness which in turn change our attitudes, behaviours and beliefs. Right now, this is happening at an exponential rate, making this a very special time in history.

[RedeZra]

The ets were the ones that created the human race, using advanced dna technology. They made us to be similar to themselves, ie 'in their image.'

who made et ?

the Creator of course


and it's not really et but angels

so some of them fell into sin and became monsters


just like the elves in the LOTR ; )

[IndigoStar]

you're making a lot of assumptions about me. based mostly on someone elses words, which you have identified with. I disagree that your post made me angry because they challenged my egoic mind. if anything, i was wound up, because you seem disconnected from reality in some respects.

Ego is the source of all discontentment. If you believe I am disconnected from reality, then so I am.


we 're not talking solely about things that happened in the past. we are talking about a current, and ongoing situation
are you someone who looks upon someone with love while they are punching you in the face?,

When I talk about the present I am referring to YOUR present at this very moment. The seat you are sitting in. The view you are looking at. The smells you smell. The sounds you hear. At this very moment, that is all that exists. Everything else is merely a thought in your mind.


believe it or not, evil doers dont care how you see them..... if you're a 'love and light' merchant, they get off on that, because you wont resist them in any way

It is not my concern how they believe I see them. It is not my concern what they get off on. I am responsible for myself, just as they are responsible for themselves. I am 'resisting' but it is in a way which is foreign and incomprehensible to you, so much so that you do not even recognise it as resistance.


you may not like to hear this, but i suggest you find your own way in this world,
rather than taking on someone elses philosophy like its your own, and then projecting it onto everyone else. like its something we should fall in line with.

I do like to hear that. I agree that finding your own way in the world is very sound advice. I do not claim that anyone's philosophy is my own. I only wish to give credit where it is due. My intention is not to project onto others and I sincerely apologise if it was received that way. Let me state loud and clear. I do not wish anyone to fall in line with my personal way of thinking. I do not want anyone to agree with me. I think everyone should follow their own path, listen to all information with an open mind, take what resonates for them and disregard what doesn't.


and as i say, you have absolutely no idea who i am, or the life i have led.
you make massive assumptions about me.
my ego is a tool that is employed. not something that i am subservient to. and when i'm not using it, it stays in its box.

If your ego did not rule you, you would see no need for violence. Again this is just my opinion. That doesn't mean it's fact.


i found my own path in this life by actually searching for it.
i didnt get it from anyone else, or out of a book.

I am happy for you that you have found your own path. There is a lot to be learnt from listening to others and from reading books!


its not about what someone else taught you. its about how YOU have utilised the things you have learned.

and yes i enjoyed my tea.

I'd say it's about both. But yes, actions speak much louder than words, and as Ghandi once said '"be the change you want to see in the world."

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The ets were the ones that created the human race, using advanced dna technology. They made us to be similar to themselves, ie 'in their image.'

who made et ?

the Creator of course


and it's not really et but angels

so some of them fell into sin and became monsters


just like the elves in the LOTR ; )

Yes, the creator which is all created itself as ets, so by default created humans. Well I think extra terrestrial means 'not of this planet' so that would incorporate angels.

[RedeZra]

Yes, the creator which is all created itself as ets, so by default created humans. Well I think extra terrestrial means 'not of this planet' so that would incorporate angels.

you are giving ets far too much cred

they are abducting people making hybrids and chimeras and mutating our genome


the Creator hates them

[IndigoStar]

Yes, the creator which is all created itself as ets, so by default created humans. Well I think extra terrestrial means 'not of this planet' so that would incorporate angels.

you are giving ets far too much cred. they are abducting people making hybrids and chimeras and mutating our genome. the Creator hates them

The word ET encompassses a massive group of beings. It means anything that isn't native to planet earth. Certain groups are doing what you described. Others are doing what we would perceive as good things. Many of them have technology much more advanced than ours and are capable of creating worlds and beings.
I agree that the creator hates them because the creator is omnipresent and resides inside people who feel the emotion hate for certain ets. The creator also loves them. The creation also IS them.

[RedeZra]

Many of them have technology much more advanced than ours and are capable of creating worlds and beings.
I agree that the creator hates them because the creator is omnipresent and resides inside people who feel the emotion hate for certain ets. The creator also loves them. The creation also IS them.


the Creator creates

created beings can only manipulate creation


the astral realm is as real to angels as the physical realm is to us

whatever is manufactured in the physical realm is first manifested in the astral realm

the astral is more real than the physical

[Antagenet]

Someone asked the following question to the Dalai Lama:

"How does a person or group of people compassionately and yet straightforwardly confront another person or group of people who have committed crimes of genocide against them?"

DL: "When talking about compassion and compassionately dealing with such situations one must bear in mind what is meant by compassionately dealing with such cases. Being compassionate towards such people or such a person does not mean that you allow the other person to do whatever the other person or group of people wishes to do, inflicting suffering upon you and so on. Rather, compassionately dealing with such a situation has a different meaning.

When a person or group of people deals with such a situation and tries to prevent such crimes there is generally speaking two ways in which you could do that, or one could say, two motivations. One is out of confrontation, out of hatred that confronts such a situation. There is another case in which, although in action it may be of the same force and strength, but the motivation would not be out of hatred and anger but rather out of compassion towards the perpetrators of these crimes.

Realising that if you allow the other person, the perpetrator of the crime, to indulge his or her own negative habits then in the long run the other person or group is going to suffer the consequences of that negative action. Therefore, out of the consideration of the potential suffering for the perpetrator of such crimes, then you confront the situation and apply equally forceful and strong measures.

I think this is quite relevant and important in modern society, especially in a competitive society. When someone genuinely practices compassion, forgiveness and humility then sometimes some people will take advantage of such a situation. Sometimes it is necessary to take a countermeasure, then with that kind of reasoning and compassion, the countermeasure is taken with reasoning and compassion rather than out of negative emotion. That is actually more effective and appropriate. This is important. For example my own case with Tibet in a national struggle against injustice we take action without using negative emotion. It sometimes seems more effective.

One of the reasons there is a need to adopt a strong countermeasure against someone who harms you is that, if you let it pass, there is a danger of that person becoming habituated to extremely negative actions, which in the long run will cause that person's own downfall and is very destructive for the individual himself or herself. Therefore a strong countermeasure, taken out of compassion or a sense of concern for the other, is necessary. When you are motivated by that realization, then there is a sense of concern as part of your motive for taking that strong measure.

...One of the reasons why there is some ground to feel compassionate toward a perpetrator of crime or an aggressor is that the aggressor, because he or she is perpetrating a crime, is at the causal stage, accumulating the causes and conditions that later lead to undesirable consequences. So, from that point of view, there is enough ground to feel compassionate toward the aggressor."

Love the sinner, hate the sin. Easy answer really.
Evil deeds are hateworthy, and it is not negative to fight against them.. It is positive to protect yourself and others.

[IndigoStar]

it is not negative to fight against them...

The fighting method chosen can affect the outcome greatly.

[SKAWF]

SKAWF
''we 're not talking solely about things that happened in the past. we are talking about a current, and ongoing situation
are you someone who looks upon someone with love while they are punching you in the face?''

INDIGOSTAR
''When I talk about the present I am referring to YOUR present at this very moment. The seat you are sitting in. The view you are looking at. The smells you smell. The sounds you hear. At this very moment, that is all that exists. Everything else is merely a thought in your mind.''

firstly, what does my 'present' have to do with the question i asked?
i was talking about a situation that is going on now, and that has been going on for a long time. my immediate envioronment is nothing to do with it. you paint a picture of something you cant possibly know.
ironically, perhaps the only thing you may be able to get a sense of, IS the thought in my mind.
at least, given the exchange, there might be some continuity there to form an educated guess.
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SKAWF
''believe it or not, evil doers dont care how you see them..... if you're a 'love and light' merchant, they get off on that, because you wont resist them in any way''

INDIGOSTAR
''It is not my concern how they believe I see them. It is not my concern what they get off on. I am responsible for myself, just as they are responsible for themselves. I am 'resisting' but it is in a way which is foreign and incomprehensible to you, so much so that you do not even recognise it as resistance.''

and this....
you say i am ruled by my ego,
but there is no way on this earth, i would ever say that something is 'foreign and incomprehensible' to someone. thats the height of arrogance.
like you speak of something i'm completely unaware of, and couldnt understand. how belittling of you to say. placing yourself in a more advanced position than a lowly peasant such as my unhumble self!,
and again, with the assumption that you have any idea at all how i even think. you just dont know. so how can you speak with any authority?

i'll tell you something about me.......
i'm Nothing. no thing.
i operate from a point of balance.
i observe.
i cannot hear.......................................... if i am creating noise
my thoughts are moving images
i adapt to circumstances
and i am capable of Anything.

my way of keeping clean, is to keep myself mostly isolated from the outside world. its cleaner for me. i am content in my own space.
nearly all my energy goes into my own creation, and there is very little influence from outside. thats how i resist.
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SKAWF
''and as i say, you have absolutely no idea who i am, or the life i have led.
you make massive assumptions about me.
my ego is a tool that is employed. not something that i am subservient to. and when i'm not using it, it stays in its box.''

INDIGOSTAR
'If your ego did not rule you, you would see no need for violence. Again this is just my opinion. That doesn't mean it's fact.'

where is the ego when you're being raped, or beaten or tortured or bullied? and you say that fighting back to save your own skin, is symptomatic of being ruled by your ego?
i remember watching a vid on a thread about bullying. some kid had fought back against a bully, and the bully went limping away. literally.
how much easier the victims life was going to be from that point. not getting picked on and punched in the face for someone elses amusment.
i say well done to him.
the thing is, i reckon, that if you have any gratitude at all for the life you have been given
when you are being attacked, you have a duty of care to yourself, to fight back.

and i will also say, (and this is an observation)

one thing ive noticed about people who go on about eckhart tolle......
they all sound the same. same energy signature.
its like if you were to remove eckhart tolle and his perspective from the characters of his idols..... there wouldnt be much of them left.

ave a good un

[IndigoStar]

You are right in everything you say SKAWF. You are a very beautiful, wise soul. Much love and cups of tea to you :) <3

[Earth Angel]

and you IndigoStar are quite amazing!! well done!


You are right in everything you say SKAWF. You are a very beautiful, wise soul. Much love and cups of tea to you :) <3

[SKAWF]

and you IndigoStar are quite amazing!! well done!


You are right in everything you say SKAWF. You are a very beautiful, wise soul. Much love and cups of tea to you :) <3

yeah i second that.

[Eram]

This video from BASHAR speaks of the same message indigo is making.

It is all about where we invest our energy in.
When we invest our energy in demonizing the people who are in power, we loose, because we are not in our own power.
When we invest our energy in our own empowerment, we win because we become powerful and free human beings.

5lsfnYm3GbE

Never mind creating fictional scenarios to think about what we should do when someone enters our house with a gun with the intention to shoot our children. 'Should we use violence to protect ourself or not'?
This thread is not about that.

It's about where to focus our energy. How to program our minds. Will we program them with negative fearful emotions, anger, powerless feelings etc, or will we program ourselves to become powerful humans, with feelings of unconditional love, understanding, compassion and truth?

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I redirected the video from this beautiful thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?45466-BASHAR-2012-Many-Earths-Conundrum-We-Individually-choose). It felt appropriate here too.

[Camilo]

Why the question?....is there any doubt about it at all for you or any one awake and aware on this planet?

To highlight the emotions that many people are harbouring within themselves, and as a result causing damage to themselves and the whole planet. And also to propose a solution to effectively change this situation.

Nock yourself out.

I think I did already! ;)

PS. The spelling is knock with a silent 'k' :)

Thanks for the grammar lesson! ;)

[IndigoStar]

Thanks for the grammar lesson! ;)

Anytime!...I'm an English teacher and most of my students say to me "why has nobody ever told me I was saying/spelling that wrong? I've been doing it for years!" I tell them, most people think that would be rude to do correct another person but they always say they wish that somebody had told them...and that's why I correct mistakes for foreigners! Do you think the same way as my students or don't you care about being corrected?

If you ever have any English language questions fire them my way and I'll be more than happy to explain things :)

[Camilo]

Thanks for the grammar lesson! ;)

Anytime!...I'm an English teacher and most of my students say to me "why has nobody ever told me I was saying/spelling that wrong? I've been doing it for years!" I tell them, most people think that would be rude to do correct another person but they always say they wish that somebody had told them...and that's why I correct mistakes for foreigners! Do you think the same way as my students or don't you care about being corrected?

If you ever have any English language questions fire them my way and I'll be more than happy to explain things :)

I do care about being corrected regarding the use of English, as I myself teach English as a foreign/second language. :cool:

[tonius]

I propose that we send love to the pope. We send positive thoughts to the illuminati. We thank them all for providing us with this wonderful opportunity to break free from oppression. They have taught us a lot. They have allowed us to grow spiritually from this challenging situation we have found ourselves in. As a result, the universe has expanded.

Gratitude. Love. Compassion. Understanding. Everything is for a reason. It is all perfect the way it is.

Well i guess if you were a child in africa suffering from hunger and diseases you wouldn't be thrilled about these possibilties the illuminati are offering you ? Why, not because you may not know we are all one, but because after many days without food you feel pain, suffering, knowing your oneness wont make it better.And if we are trully one, than every event even if ''illlusion'' in nature, like all this, has its own significance , it depends how you look at it , so i would first try to give something to eat to that child , and after maybe, when we are all ok i might think about thanking any of them.

While i fully understand what you are saying , i have a slightly different opinion. I, like many here i think, day after day become more aware of the fact we are really one, eventhough its not so easy. I always had some difficulties with this, while i deeply felt it was true , still when i looked around , from a practical point of view it seemed confusing. I mean you feeel, know its all a rapresentation of the same ''one'' but still some questions remain unanswered. Maybe because one can really ''get it'', when he/she becomes one again, goes back to the source, until than its just guessing.

What do i mean by guessing ? I don't know why i find the ''love at all cost'' concept so forced, not only here, but wherever there is talk about spirutual matters. I think love should be, or better is, an effect not the cause, is it really called love when you ''do''it , perform it as an action ? Isn't it a kinda of cheating. Should't love be a byproduct, sorry the technical term, and expression of your true understanding , your spiritual understanding at a certain point of its evolution. I mean, wouldn't be it more fair, if at a certain moment,about a certain thing you dont feel love,or maybe feel angry about, try to see it ,explore, understand that expression than rather ''shutting down'' all and trying to ''force'' your love into everything. Its called love with ''interest'', meaning : I know that we are all one, so i have to love everything.

Why not see things as they are, example :
Illuminati . Organisation with not noble intentions, most probably ( for me surely) manuvered by interdeminsional beings (from the knowlegde we have until now), who have traded their fellow humans , souls, for some disgusting, cheap advantage driven by ego,power, ''god coplex''.Now that i know that ,what do i do? I love them, we are all one !?.....Wait a moment, and then, what happens ? You see ,you might as well not love them and it wouldn't matter,they would go on doing what they are doing. And one day , you return back, to source, and there ''happily seated in your comfortable couch'', you review your existence on earth, and ask your self how the f.ck you just stood there , giving ''fake love'' and never thought that maybe some action should have been taken. What do i mean by action : i mean understanding that its true that we are all one , but as long as the ''fake divison'' is in play , you play. If someone is poisoning you and your family,through water,food,air, mind programing you and your family , decepting you from every direction,medicine, religion,educational system..etc , when even your thoughts might not be totally yours, you do what ...you just love. Good luck with that.

More than love i thing its about UNDERSTANDING, accepting things are as they are, and do what you think is best in that situation,without the need even to hate, you just quietly understand that these souls are behaving a ceratain wrong (for you ) way,they are in some way harming you. Knowing they have the free will to do as they please, you understand that, but you too have the free will to take some action and lay your own path. I am sure they have their important role in all this, and when the time comes i might even ''thank'' them, but for the moment i can't ignore whats going one.

When you play chess with your friend you may play to win (like thay do),or for fun, but you dont just ''loose'' on purpose because you love your friend,in fact he would not prefer your surrender,you both understand that its just a game,and whatever the outcome the fun of playing is what remains, the experience of it. In this analogy playing means, being in this illusion, the game , this game is still going on, and unless any of you has a shortcut to go directly to the source,that i haven't heared of, all with wich we are left with is what is here now,of course its just an illusion, a rapresentation but whats the point of being in a game if you didn't want to play at all. And if thats the case, than one begins exploring why he is here uf he doesn't remember anything ar doesn't like it here, maybe something decived into being part of this. Whatever may be your perplexities about all this you have the free will to explore whatever is bothering you, but you cant just say we love them, and that should do it. Do what? Stop them, slow down, weaken them, ar turn them to the opposite direction.
YOU CANT JUST SEND LOVE TO SOMEONE, LIKE YOU CAN SEND MONEY WITH WESTERN UNION, LOVE IS SOMETHING YOU FEEL OR YOU DONT, . You may do more to understand why you have or dont have it, but the moment you ''force'' yourself into sending love you are at that right moment creating a fake version of it, giving power away. And at the moment i am honest with myself when i say i dont feel love for the pope or the illuminati, but i do understand why they do what they do, dont even hate them, i just am not ok with it for obvious reasons and will do my best to change this direction.

I too have my own definition of love, and maybe i misunderstand what others mean by it, it just seems to much forced to me: We have to love more...! How do you do it, i myself think there will come the moment when this love will come more naturally, based on the spiritual evolution, now i stick more with UNDERSTANDING and when waves of love come i am more than happy, but i cant just love for the sake of it, wouldn't be ''true love''.

Its interesting how in one side we know its all an illusion, just experience,no one really dies, but at the other side that same illusion is as much important as being again one, because what remains is the intention, the intention of thanking someone who is responsible for killing millions of people, killing, abusing and torturing children and other crimes we all know. So thank them, love them ?... i have a better idea.....

[mojo]

Based on the scientific proof (see heart math institute) that we are all connected, every negative thought we have about others (sick people, evil pieces of work etc) directly affects the planet and ourselves.

What if all thoughts could be heard/seen? How different each of us would be if everything was exposed. Telepathic beings must surely be more connected...

[tenacity1]

okay, so let me put this to you....

lets say we are a small collective of about 50 people.
men women and children.
everything is good. we are free, we work together,
we look after each other though the good times and bad, and we have a strong bond.

then one day, man comes along claiming to be spiritual, so we take him in.

he then begins to divide us,
he lies to us,
he abuses our children,
he murders anyone that opposes or threatens his control,
and our collective is bathed in misery.

what would you do?

let him carry on?
do nothing?
not even reject him?

as i say, i know that carrying out acts of violence harm me long term (harming my DNA as you put it)
but i would still be inclined to crack him around the back of the neck with a big stick.

i would take the risk of harming myself through acts commited upon him,
but that would be nothing to the price we would all pay if no one did anything.

so you just sit there while he destroys our lives, and i'll take care of the problem.

i really think you should delve deeply into finding out what these monsters actually do to people.
talk to some who have been abused, or relatives whose family were murdered.
have a look into the spanish inquisition, and the looting of treasures from south america.
the catholic church have been at it for centuries.

crikey, i'm a bit wound up!

i dont hate them though.
i dont hate the germs on my kitchen work surface either,
i still get rid of them though.
because it falls upon me, if i knowingly expose those in my care to things that harm them.

and with that, i'm going to have a cup of tea.

ciao

i will add, that i saw a tear roll down the face of a man in his 50's, because of what the church did to him. i will never forget that.
it's so cool when someone posts excatlly what I was thinking.. Yes we shouldn't give energy to negatives..However, the rape of children by priests .. well let's just say I feel that those who ignore evil are simply endorsing it by complacency.. There is good and evil.. it's no coincidence that evil spelled backwards is LIVE... To not defend the weakest people, children , and to allow what has gone on for 1000's of years.. is simply put WRONG>I'm a survivor... I'll never support the Catholic Church and hope the place falls down around their ears..