An exploration of Jesus, could he have been influenced by extra-dimensionals?

[Chester]

REQUEST regarding posts to be made in this thread.

Hi Folks – I am hoping to create an exploratory discussion of Jesus and do so with clear guidelines about what we should stick to in this thread. I request posters honor this request.

There is no intention in my request to diminish anyone’s beliefs. I respect all beliefs of all folks that walk the earth but this thread is not for posting fundamentalist views/arguements nor defend the Jesus one may happen to believe in by quoting from the Bible nor supporting arguments based on first hand or second hand testimonials that then support what is known as “scripture.”

If you want to do that, please create your own thread.

This thread will assume a man did live from which the Jesus legends arose. This thread’s intention is to explore the information we have from all sources available and this can include the Bible as a source as long as whoever posts does not insist what is taken from the Bible is the definitive "Word of God," perhaps the only Word of God nor projects the attitude that because something has been found in the Bible it must be the absolute and inarguable truth.

Please, let’s keep our feet on the ground throughout this thread so we can explore the possibilities in a way we do not degenerate into the two camps of a.) fundamentalist believers who insist their view is correct and is the only correct view and b.) open minded explorers.

I thank everyone in advance for honoring this request.

[Chester]

And now for the Opening Post:

Houman’s Horus-Ra thread inspired me to begin another thread that I named Jesus the man / JESUS the Archon which I created for the purpose of exploring what do we really know about Jesus? I was hoping we could consider what circumstances were involved in the religio/political dynamics at the time of Jesus. I was hoping we could consider what alternative views could come forth regarding what may have actually happened with Jesus as opposed to simply accepting just what the Bible says happened. I was hoping we might explore if Jesus perhaps heard a voice or voices and/or had experienced visions of extra-dimensional beings and/or demonic entities. Could Jesus have been a victim himself of a savior complex where archontic forces were in part responsible for his actions and at least one of his purported endings - the crucifixion.

Another set of questions relates to those who knew Jesus, his disciples, his family and others he encountered. Could they have been influenced by archontic forces? Could those who were behind the canonization of the Biblical texts been influenced by archontic forces? Could Jesus have been an enlightened master that still met his match? The legend says he died a horrific death.

There are in fact accounts that Jesus was not crucified at all and lived out a long life and eventually died in India - http://www.tombofjesus.com/

It is accepted by historians that the first gospel was likely not written until 70AD and the others well after the end of the first century. There are a few additional non-Biblical references to Jesus and then we have the Nag Hammadi library which contains other “gospels.” In fact, the Gospel of Thomas is actually considered to be the oldest gospel by many researchers.

And now I will express the various questions and possibilities I have about Jesus.

I lean to the likelihood that the man who became the Jesus of the Bible (and mentioned in other writings) did in fact live.

Who this man was is well considered in the Wikipedia link - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Scientz/Yehoshua_ben_Yosef


This page refers to Yehoshua ben Yosef, using critical analysis of the evidence available before the Roman Catholic Church approved the doctrines of Pauline Christianity. For information on the Christian messianic figure, see Jesus Christ.”

Yehoshua (ben Yosef), from the Hebrew or Aramaic: ישוע, variously translated as Yeshu, Yeshua or Yehoshua, considered by some to be a Jewish patriot, martyr and heir to the title "King Of The Jews" through the royal line of Galilee. He is seen by others as a revolutionary agitator to the Roman-endorsed Sadducee rule in David, part of the Roman province of Iudaea. There are also those who doubt the existence of such a man altogether.

Existence vs. non-existence

Any responsible coverage of this topic should begin with the caveat that not all scholars believe in the existence of this particular 1st Century Jew known as Yehoshua or Yeshua. The existence of a man known to the English-speaking world as Jesus is accepted by two major world religions, Christianity and Islam, based on their respective scriptures, the Bible and the Qur'an. However, the true historicity of "Jesus" is difficult to determine, as few reliable records of his life exist. While Christianity considers their Jesus to be the Christ (Messiah) and Son of God and Islam views him as a prophet, secular historians and most other world religions (including Judaism) tend to regard him as an ordinary human, perhaps even a rebellious rabbi in first century AD Israel, and, as mentioned earlier, a few dispute whether he ever existed.

The few detailed accounts of Yehoshua's life from the time period describe various remarkable events and miracles, including virgin birth and resurrection. These events are believed to have literally happened by many Christians, but most non-Christians and even some liberal Christians do not believe that these events actually occurred, based partly on the general principle that "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" and partly on a perceived lack of evidence from more neutral sources.

Many scholars see the Biblical narrative of Yehoshua's life as a mythologized account of a historical figure's life, aimed at winning new converts rather than existing as a neutral historical record. The difficulty of distinguishing which parts of the man's life are historical and which belong to Christian mythology is one of the main obstacles for Biblical historians. Even accurate accounts of events in Yehoshua's life may have changed in subtle ways during retellings. Others may have been exaggerated on purpose, and some may even have been entirely new events, possibly reinterpreted from older stories; virgin births and sacrifice were common features of Pagan godmen myths, such as Osiris-Dionysus.

Although the existence of a historical figure named "Jesus" is universally accepted by Christians and Muslims, there is a school of thought, called mythological school, which sees "Jesus" as a later interpolation into one of the mystery religions which resemble Christianity. This theory is commonly known as the Jesus Myth, and is based upon the supposition that Yehoshua did not exist. Others see the apparent relationship between Gnosticism and Christianity as being based on an historical figure acting as the focal point for the linking of Jewish religious traditions and political history with a mystery religion, a syncretism—ultimately more popular among Gentiles than Jews—which would become Christianity.

It must also be pointed out that each reader must determine what weight to give interpretations alternative to the prevailing mainstream view. Having said that, remember that amateurs to the field of history generally and New Testament history in particular should consider the comments of Richard Carrier, co-founder and former editor-in-chief of the Secular Web[1], made on their discussion board:

Amateurs often disregard the crucial importance of field-familiarity, i.e. that one must have a long and deep acquaintance with a particular time and culture in order to make reliable judgments about the probable and improbable, the expected and unexpected, and all the other background assumptions necessary to understanding the significance of any particular fact or claim--in short, one must be cognizant not merely of the literary context of a statement, but its entire socio-historical context as well. And that is no easy thing to achieve.

The rest of this article will be based on the supposition that Yehoshua ben Yosef did exist, and was a figure who laid the basis for—and yet was somewhat different than—the Jesus Christ of canonical Christian literature.

[Chester]

What fascinates me is the timing of Houman’s post on May 20th on the jesus the man / JESUS the Archon thread – post # 93 with the information regarding Zoroastrianism. If there is truth to this information, then it's possible that Jesus was not necessarily a Jewish teacher from Galilee as has been commonly accepted.

If Darrick T. Evenson is correct –
http://zoroastrian.angelfire.com/

Evenson puts forth that Jesus was the first of three male immortals (of the 6 Amenta Spentas (“Sparks” created by the Supreme Being Ahura Mazda)) - Sayoshants ("Saviors") predicted to come in the future by Zoroaster through his lineage by the way. The other three Sparks were to be females. In the case of Jesus, his mother was the female Spark and was supposed to be a virgin. The Spark behind the incarnation of Jesus was named Vohu Manah and was the being who appeared to Zoroaster originally and was considered to be the Son of Ahura Mazda.

Surely this is starting to sound familiar, yes?

So the theme behind the Zorostrian accepted history suggests Jesus to have possibly been one of three male saviors predicted to come some time in the future by Zoroaster who lived around the 18th century B.C.E. In addition, this same immortal being, Vohu Manah was the being who “appeared to” Zoroaster in 1737 B.C.E.

That would make the Jesus of year zero the second coming of Vohu Manah.

Now with the above considerations in mind, what type of being could have appeared to Zoroaster?

Could that being have been an extra-dimensional being?

Could that extra-dimensional being have actually incarnated to be our Jesus?

[RMorgan]

Hey mate,

This is a nice thread.

In my opinion, if the character we know as Jesus did exist and performed all amazing things we are told, I believe Jesus himself couldn´t be 100% human.

Humans can´t walk on water. Human´s can´t magically heal serious diseases. Humans can´t resurrect the dead.

So, if the story we´re told is indeed the truth, I think he was not only assisted by extra-terrestrials/extra-dimensional beings; I believe he might have been one of them indeed.

Cheers,

Raf.

[truthseekerdan]

... Humans can´t walk on water. Human´s can´t magically heal serious diseases. Humans can´t resurrect the dead...



This is only true if one believes he/she is only "human".

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[Lettherebelight]

This sounds like an interesting and plausible hypothesis!

If we agree with the biblical account of the visitation of the Virgin Mary by the 'angel', resulting in her becoming 'miraculously' with child, then this too raises questions of inter dimensional (or 'alien'?) encounter.

[Chester]

Hey mate,

This is a nice thread.

In my opinion, if the character we know as Jesus did exist and performed all amazing things we are told, I believe Jesus himself couldn´t be 100% human.

Humans can´t walk on water. Human´s can´t magically heal serious diseases. Humans can´t resurrect the dead.

So, if the story we´re told is indeed the truth, I think he was not only assisted by extra-terrestrials/extra-dimensional beings; I believe he might have been one of them indeed.

Cheers,

Raf.

and what is interesting to consider is exactly what Houman brought forth in post #93 in that other jesus the man / JESUS the Archon thread... that the Zoroastrian's believe that the ED that appeared to Zoroaster incarnated as Jesus. Now, I am not saying I believe that but the point is that this recurring theme of miracle workers, visions of "angels" or other super natural beings and then in Houman's Ra-Horus thread there's dozens of examples of stories involving deamns actually materializing...

we have the real world the average Joe lives in and the average Joe never sees any of this stuff, yet on the fringes of this "real world" we have the few who have had experiences on one or both ends of this spectrum - where they saw angels or good aliens and/or where they saw demons or bad aliens...

It begs the question, could ANY of them really be good? It is a very real question.

And if the answer perhaps is NO... then all these messiahs may simply be primary victims of these forces, their direct followers (disciples, what have you) may be a secondary target level and the rest of us the juiciest targets of em all... the innocent.

It is this question I want people to weigh in on. Please.

[truthseekerdan]

Who was Jesus the Christ according to Edgar Cayce: http://www.near-death.com/experiences/origen049.html

[KosmicKat]

We need data. As Sherlock Holmes would say "I cannot make bricks without clay".

I suggest that for Christianity to have erupted onto the world stage as a religion that grew, and flourished despite the events and people that might have extinguished it (take a bow, St. Paul), it seems bordering on the absurd to suggest that Jesus was not a historical figure, even though there is no firm firsthand evidence of a carpenter's son turned itinerant rabbi.

To me, the possibility of St.Issa of India presents a strong support for the idea that there is a great deal more to be known about Jesus than we can be certain of at present.

One extra-biblical source which I suggest for consideration is the Urantia papers which give a very detailed picture of someone who certainly fits closely the character of the man described in the gospels. The question of the possible human authorship of the Urantia papers should also be considered carefully in weighing any evidence gleaned from that source although it is my opinion that the styles as well as the vocabulary of the various papers would suggest the author was a twentieth century combination of Shakespeare, Marlowe and Bacon unless the papers were genuinely of supernatural origin.

[Chester]

... Humans can´t walk on water. Human´s can´t magically heal serious diseases. Humans can´t resurrect the dead...



This is only true if one believes he/she is only "human".

bAV5avfDBiw

And great point here - yes... humans CAN... and this leads me to another question, why have so many of the magicians alive today gone to satanism, demonology, animal/human sacrifice, negative intentional magical practice?

And why have the John Changs who have been involved with secret societies that teach these types of healing methodologies been castigated for going public by their human society members as well as the entities they say they communicate with and are also their teachers who are not of this world as happened with John Chang?

This is why I have the very question I posed in post # 7 Clearly Chang's intentions in allowing a filmed demo to be made were completely and totally benevolent. He wanted to demostrate Qi Gong healing technology and yet he was told he did very, very wrong by these supposed "good" entities and never went public again.

And this technology can be performed by anyone - we all have the ability.

[Chester]

This sounds like an interesting and plausible hypothesis!

If we agree with the biblical account of the visitation of the Virgin Mary by the 'angel', resulting in her becoming 'miraculously' with child, then this too raises questions of inter dimensional (or 'alien'?) encounter.

Exactly - and in Houman's Horus-Ra thread he has several examples where entities were called forth to create "nephelim" beings - hybrid ED/human beings. And when you consider all the breeding over the millenia on this planet, we are all likely hybrids and hybrids of hybrids and who knows. If we go a step further and look at the star-seed myth, perhaps there may be more reality to what that is than pure hypothesis. And then why not soul exchanges and walk-ins, etc.

Some have the view we are ALL EDs to some extent just to incarnate at all.

The possibilities are so amazing... take prisons like religion out of the mix, free the mind to consider the possibilities, shed the fear and explore. What color pill is that one? Green? Give me one please... give me two!

[Chester]

Who was Jesus the Christ according to Edgar Cayce: http://www.near-death.com/experiences/origen049.html

This is also my same opinion... it was just Gnosticism (as there was no Christianity until way after Jesus was long gone).

The Jesus guy Cayce refers to would have been exposed to the various mystery schools in Egypt, Persia and India. I know folks who believe that about Jesus. No wonder Jesus may have said the things found in the Gospel of Thomas for example - absolutely gnostic type teachings and mystery school teachings.

But having said all that, there have been many many folks throughout the history of humanity that have been exposed to mystery school teachings - most get so out of the dualistic nature of life they don't jump into the fray. Perhaps that's why the bad guys seem to take control is because the good guys just don't care in entering the world of struggle. Easier done in the past - to escape the tyranny of the world. Not so easy in our modern era and this is why we don't need to look to those of the past to be any example - just be the you you are and if that means stirring up the &^%$, then stir it up.

The part about Jesus being the reincarnation of Adam and Mary being the reincarnation of Eve is understandable given Cayce's fundamentalist foundation. We all try to interpret reality based on another interpreted reality, but in so doing, he places himself again inside a box. What about all the poor people that lived after Adam and before Jesus? What a nice God we got. I try not to buy into anything... I cannot accept a metaphor regarding spirit and matter (and a lesson in the metaphor) would have to be played out and "forgiven" by some sacrificial event. Ridiculous.

And this goes back to the sacrificial god/priest/king theme perpetuated by some secret societies, the same ones who hold within their current ranks our lovely (perhaps not all) world leaders. I smell the demiurge and the archons.

[Chester]

More on Cayce's take on Jesus - and then a comment by the scholars. The scholars don't believe Jesus could have been an Essene because "the Essenes wouldn't have approved of Jesus' bending of the moral standards such as associating himself with prostitutes and tax collectors."

Well wasn't Jesus supposedly someone who didn't seem to afraid of any authority? Couldn't he have given the bird to the Essene priest class and said, "I'm gonna go hang out with some folks who might be benefited by what i might have to say." Wouldn't surprise me at all.

But what may really blow some minds is that I know of some societies where the following is talked about. Remember, i do not attach to anything... don't think I believe this but it is said that Jesus broke a very critical rule in baptism. Jesus would baptize people in still water, like ponds, etc. That was a big no no. John the Baptist was performing baptisms the "correct" way which was done in flowing water like streams and rivers. A rivalry erupted between the two groups and someone in Jesus' group turned in John the Baptist to the authorities who had been looking for him because he was a threat (and not the silly story about Salome). Realize at that time, all but the Sadducees were looking for a "Savior" to come. John the Baptist was leading the "savior" poll at the time. Jesus's group wanted him out of the way.

Now again, I don't believe that nor believe hardly anything... but this is the sort of information being batted around in some of the secret societies.

Anyhow - just the idea of a savior, that anybody would be the child of some creator who created other beings that placed some of creation's beings in a situation where they needed to be saved from the other of creation's beings is no creator of mine... but that's just opinion.

That we have massive evidence today of alien abduction and contactee situations where respectable folks like Dr, Malanga have studied hundreds of cases over the years and has found tremendous consistencies in these cases where one of the favorite programs of the offending alien groups is the installation of the messiah / savior complex - that to me is something real, something I can trust, and when i look at what the savior religions have done for this planet, the dots really start to connect.

[bearcow]

This is why I have the very question I posed in post # 7 Clearly Chang's intentions in allowing a filmed demo to be made were completely and totally benevolent. He wanted to demostrate Qi Gong healing technology and yet he was told he did very, very wrong by these supposed "good" entities and never went public again.

john chang was only interested in dangling the carrot in front of your eyes, to wake people up. He was not interested in giving a how to guide on becoming a xian. there is a line in one of the books written about him that states he felt that if this information was made publicly available, we would destroy civilization once again like we once did in Atlantis. This has been the argument used by the white lodges to keep esoteric knowledge hidden from the masses for their own good. This attitude has slowly started to change over the last 100 years.


And why have the John Changs who have been involved with secret societies that teach these types of healing methodologies been castigated for going public by their human society members as well as the entities they say they communicate with and are also their teachers who are not of this world as happened with John Chang?

To say john chang is part of a asian secret society equivalent to the Illuminati is not accurate. He is the latest link in the chain of a long line of high level internal arts practitioners. he has a karmic link with his fore-bearers and his actions have a effect on the whole line of masters associated with his lineage.

[Chester]

This is why I have the very question I posed in post # 7 Clearly Chang's intentions in allowing a filmed demo to be made were completely and totally benevolent. He wanted to demostrate Qi Gong healing technology and yet he was told he did very, very wrong by these supposed "good" entities and never went public again.

john chang was only interested in dangling the carrot in front of your eyes, to wake people up. He was not interested in giving a how to guide on becoming a xian. there is a line in one of the books written about him that states he felt that if this information was made publicly available, we would destroy civilization once again like we once did in Atlantis. This has been the argument used by the white lodges to keep esoteric knowledge hidden from the masses for their own good. This attitude has slowly started to change over the last 100 years.


And why have the John Changs who have been involved with secret societies that teach these types of healing methodologies been castigated for going public by their human society members as well as the entities they say they communicate with and are also their teachers who are not of this world as happened with John Chang?

To say john chang is part of a asian secret society equivalent to the Illuminati is not accurate. He is the latest link in the chain of a long line of high level internal arts practitioners. he has a karmic link with his fore-bearers and his actions have a effect on the whole line of masters associated with his lineage.

Hi bearcow - there was zero in what I said that suggested the society which John Chang was trained by was in any way an Illuminati type society, you read into what I said incorrectly. He stated that his spiritual guide was not happy with what he did and thus Chang vowed never to do it again. I respect him for both demonstrating his talent as well as his decision not to do it again. We all have free will.

What I do not respect is this years and years of secrecy where we are waiting for some silly planetary positioning to harken in some new age that now makes it alright to go public with all this - things that if went public en mass could potentially and rapidly change our world for the better. It seems these lovely guides are simply playing some game that will never end and we keep buying into it.

So each day we wait for Dec 21, 2012 (or whatever special date the clowns will come up with when there's zero noticeable change on December 22) another 30,000 children die each day needlessly from starvation, or another thousand children go missing to be fed to the alien/demon gods of some of our world leaders or more innocents can be blown away by psychotic madmen who crack up in Afghanistan and on and on.

That was my point - when is humanity just going to stand up for itself? When are we going to access the wisdom within instead of constantly seeking wisdom from without even if it is spirit gods and we are from special lineages that have accepted the karma program?

One can instantly vanish any karma one may think one and their lineage possess if one wants to, all one has to do is shed the programming.

Read your own quote from Dr. Zuess... you are your own master.

[bearcow]

One can instantly vanish any karma one may think one and their lineage possess if one wants to, all one has to do is shed the programming.

just some food for thought, where does the real you end and the programming begin. And who is it that programed you?

The archons?
The government?
your parents?
TV?
the food you eat?
The members of this forum?
Yourself?

perhaps "shedding your programing" is more difficult a task than anything john chang can do.

[Chester]

One can instantly vanish any karma one may think one and their lineage possess if one wants to, all one has to do is shed the programming.

just some food for thought, where does the real you end and the programming begin. And who is it that programed you?

The archons?
The government?
your parents?
TV?
the food you eat?
The members of this forum?
Yourself?

perhaps "shedding your programing" is more difficult a task than anything john chang can do.

I apologize - was amped up regarding many threads - and was disrespectful. I reacted because of the Illuminati comment which I hope you see I did not make.

the real me is the me in the now that is honest, even if the honesty reveals I am BSing myself. I was being my real me in how I reacted and regret it came out attacking and a bit childish.

Your point well taken and I hope you accept my apology.

[UnrealDreams]

I love what David Icke has to say about religion. You really need to understand the history of religion to see that Christianity is just a scam, just like all religions are.

WE are the Gods. THEY are terrified that we will one day realize this, and their reign of terror will be over.

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[Ellisa]

Great topic justoneman. I look forward to reading more!

[RedeZra]

Hi Folks – I am hoping to create an exploratory discussion of Jesus and do so with clear guidelines about what we should stick to in this thread. I request posters honor this request.


i appriciate the effort trying to figure out Jesus

but when we silence the immense number of testimonies about Him

then it is like exploring the sun by locking oneself up in a cellar and reading about it


i could spend my whole life

wading through all of the highly divergent information about Jesus

and die none the wiser


as i see it Jesus is about to wrap up this age

and so all will know who He is


and then we can move on

[panopticon]

G'day All,

I've presented my opinion and research regards the historical figure known as 'Jesus' on a number of threads however am too short of time at the moment to engage in what will likely be another long (and probably futile) discussion.

I look forward to reading the various opinions, arguments, quotes and counter quotes that will inevitably arise.

My perspective is:

There was probably an historical figure named Jesus.
He was not from Nazareth (archaeological evidence clearly shows it didn't exist at the time of his alleged birth).
Some apocalyptic/messianic Jews and other groups of the period created a central figure that enabled them to explain the destruction of Jerusalem and the 2nd Temple in 70CE by the Romans.
This social group then expanded organically and held gatherings that were referred as "townhall meetings" (but were actually just people getting together around kitchen tables to chat).
A hierarchical structure was eventually created and this assisted in the adoption of Christianity by Constantine as the Roman State religion (as a means of first removing power from the various competing sects/religions and then consolidating it in what became known as the Roman Church).

I've been down this trail before and just don't have time to repeat myself ad nauseum. Yes I have presented evidence to back up what I'm saying. No it isn't conclusive. No I don't care one way or the other if an historical 'Jesus' even existed (I'm of the opinion that the myth is probably based in some fact) as I'm not a Christian and don't care one way or the other.

I have read the Bible a few times and many of the Coptic texts referred to above (The Nag Hammadi Library (http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/nhl.html)) as well as the early writings of some "Church Fathers" (Origen Adamantius for example) and really haven't found anything to say otherwise outside of dogma and tradition.

Anyway, now I've spent 25 minutes (that I will never get back) presenting an argument that I've defended a number of times but choose not to again as I simply don't have the time.

Good luck with the thread!
Kind Regards, :yo:
Panopticon

[9eagle9]

I'm not sure where immense amount of testimonies were made about him were silenced.

Quoting from Scripture isn't personal testimony; it's quoting from Scripture.





Hi Folks – I am hoping to create an exploratory discussion of Jesus and do so with clear guidelines about what we should stick to in this thread. I request posters honor this request.


i appriciate the effort trying to figure out Jesus

but when we silence the immense number of testimonies about Him

then it is like exploring the sun by locking oneself up in a cellar and reading about it


i could spend my whole life

wading through all of the highly divergent information about Jesus

and die none the wiser


as i see it Jesus is about to wrap up this age

and so all will know who He is


and then we can move on

[RedeZra]

I'm not sure where immense amount of testimonies were made about him were silenced.

Quoting from Scripture isn't personal testimony; it's quoting from Scripture.


oh here you go...


I respect all beliefs of all folks that walk the earth but this thread is not for posting fundamentalist views/arguements nor defend the Jesus one may happen to believe in by quoting from the Bible nor supporting arguments based on first hand or second hand testimonials that then support what is known as “scripture.”

[SKIBADABOMSKI]

My theory is that Mary was a little spice girl, she met some dude and had some hanky panky but she was devoted to Joseph and when she missed her period she told Joseph that an angel had come and visited her and he (being Joseph) ran around telling everyone and basically all his mates were like " yeah right !! she's done the nasty on you"

But there were people that wanted to believe Mary's story and they swarmed her and well to cut a long story short .. Jesus was born with people telling him he's special and that he's the son of god and then what a life he had.

If Mary could see the world today with all the churches and the vatican ect ect she'd no doubt put her fingers to her chin and with a little giggle and say " oops "

[9eagle9]

Those are not personal testimonies the Bible isn't based on personal testimony its based on the testimony of the narrator of any given chapter.

A personal account would be member X who gave a blow by blow account of some interaction with Jesus and then presented evidence of that encounter.

I've had a number of experiences with said entity. Because they are personal , they are personal so no testimony is necessary. Personal means they don't apply to anyone else but me.

[markpierre]

Humans can´t walk on water. Human´s can´t magically heal serious diseases. Humans can´t resurrect the dead.

So, if the story we´re told is indeed the truth, I think he was not only assisted by extra-terrestrials/extra-dimensional beings; I believe he might have been one of them indeed.



Humans absolutely can do all those things if they fully believe they can.
And a lot of other weird things humans aren't supposed to be able to do, but they have and they do and they will later too.
You're right, humans can't heal, nor could Jesus because that's not how healing works. He would have said the same.
It comes from the mind that thinks it's sick. The same place the sickness came from.

A lot of those miracles were true, or something like them occurred, and a few are older stories. You tell me if any or all of them are impossible.
I suppose it's just as 'miraculous' if a space ship with a replicator is beaming fish and bread into a basket. It would certainly be remembered somehow.

I've seen impossible, and I've done things I wouldn't have considered very 'possible'. I still question things in retrospect, but we affect each other every time we imagine each other.
That's weird.
geez....Sai Baba used to manifest mementos for the tourists. St Teressa did some crazy healing down in Mexico. Don't bother with the Pope to tell you what's miraculous.

Jesus was just a guy, but a very evolved guy. He had a freeking illumination and managed to keep it. That's doing well. When you're at a certain level and when you're really passionate about something, you usually continue on with whatever it is. His thing was essentially psychology and psychotherapy. Buddha started the consciousness thing, that was his passion. Then when consciousness was ready, Jesus had to get human awareness out of it's head and into it's heart. The best thing to do was alleviate fear. Sort of how the aliens have to deal with us.
Nothing works very well towards love and Oneness when everyone's terrified. It was a job. You're here doing a job too, whatever it is.

Learning to think with the rest of the universe and trust the cause of oneself, is a lot easier and faster than thinking and pushing against it. It's not that hard.
Anyone listening made some good ground towards us all awakening.
The church became of course, the ego refusing the death of itself. Armageddon would be a likely end of all that.

He taught people how to develop their hearts and contact their own real selves. We really are supposed to be aware of our source. To the initiates he taught the mysteries like any good teacher with a few talented pupils.
Check out the instructions for laymen sometime, there's enough of them left if you look around. They're really sensible.
Those guys back then had a little better incentive. Times were pretty rough.
A lot of those things there we still mostly refuse to do.

That's the issue with Jesus. What he said. Not the miracles. "I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father."
So whats he mean by Father? Some God guy? Daddy alien? Home? Reality? Totality? 'The truth'? His own whole Self? The cause of us?
One of those. He said "I am". He must have figured something out that included him..
Or 'faith in me'? Like listen and apply the lessons? A little discipline? Enough belief to actually make it so? People play around with the manifestation idea a lot. Why would it have limits?

I like the alien idea too.

[Prodigal Son]

why have so many of the magicians alive today gone to satanism, demonology, animal/human sacrifice, negative intentional magical practice?

And why have the John Changs who have been involved with secret societies that teach these types of healing methodologies been castigated for going public by their human society members as well as the entities they say they communicate with and are also their teachers who are not of this world as happened with John Chang?

This is why I have the very question I posed in post # 7 Clearly Chang's intentions in allowing a filmed demo to be made were completely and totally benevolent. He wanted to demostrate Qi Gong healing technology and yet he was told he did very, very wrong by these supposed "good" entities and never went public again.

And this technology can be performed by anyone - we all have the ability.
Awesome thread!

Personally, I happen to know a great many "healers", the majority of them being "Reiki Masters". On the other hand, I do not know, nor have I ever met, a full-fledged, consciously and willfully practicing black magician/Satanist. Perhaps it's just a matter of the company I seek ;)

I do not believe that the entities who castigated Mr. Chang are the same as the ones where he got his knowledge from. I have been reading the works of Great Masters for quite a few years now and just about every one is humble enough to admit that even THEY can be fooled. There is such a fine line between the negative and the positive, and one thing that sometimes dastardly Bible got right is that Satan (Jehovah) does indeed pose as an "Angel of Light".

One thing I do know for sure is that this Universe is "powered" by love and benevolence. It seeks to evolve towards the True God, the Prime Source, who is pure Love and Light. Someone has to provide the negative energy otherwise we do not evolve, we remain stagnant. No suffering is in vain.

As for Yehoshua Ben Yosef living to over 100 years in India, I also do not discount the theory that he SURVIVED the crucifixion, as claimed by the Church Father Irenaeus. There is certainly much "evidence" right inside the Bible to support that notion.....

http://www.markmason.net/ch4ex2.htm

http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/Christianity/2006/04/Could-Jesus-Have-Survived-The-Crucifixion.aspx

[Chester]

I'm not sure where immense amount of testimonies were made about him were silenced.

Quoting from Scripture isn't personal testimony; it's quoting from Scripture.


oh here you go...


I respect all beliefs of all folks that walk the earth but this thread is not for posting fundamentalist views/arguements nor defend the Jesus one may happen to believe in by quoting from the Bible nor supporting arguments based on first hand or second hand testimonials that then support what is known as “scripture.”

Hi RedeZra - I asked kindly that we do not post these types of posts in this thread.

You have threads in several parts of this forum for that level of discussion.

I was very clear about this request and yet within less than 24 hours of my creation of this thread you have to post exactly what I kindly asked you and others to leave out of this one single thread.

Within this same category you have the other thread I created - jesus the man / JESUS the Archon which everyone is able to engage each other and this includes those that support your point of view.

If you had a thread you created where you asked non fundamentalist, non literal interpretations of anything Biblical and/or anything Christian to not be posted in your thread I would certainly honor your request.

Why is it impossible for you to honor my request so we can have just one thread in this huge forum where there are thousands of threads you can post these typs of arguments and where you can even create your own thread along these lines?

Please, do not derail this thread... Please

[Chester]

Humans can´t walk on water. Human´s can´t magically heal serious diseases. Humans can´t resurrect the dead.

So, if the story we´re told is indeed the truth, I think he was not only assisted by extra-terrestrials/extra-dimensional beings; I believe he might have been one of them indeed.



Humans absolutely can do all those things if they fully believe they can.
And a lot of other weird things humans aren't supposed to be able to do, but they have and they do and they will later too.
You're right, humans can't heal, nor could Jesus because that's not how healing works. He would have said the same.
It comes from the mind that thinks it's sick. The same place the sickness came from.

A lot of those miracles were true, or something like them occurred, and a few are older stories. You tell me if any or all of them are impossible.
I suppose it's just as 'miraculous' if a space ship with a replicator is beaming fish and bread into a basket. It would certainly be remembered somehow.

I've seen impossible, and I've done things I wouldn't have considered very 'possible'. I still question things in retrospect, but we affect each other every time we imagine each other.
That's weird.
geez....Sai Baba used to manifest mementos for the tourists. St Teressa did some crazy healing down in Mexico. Don't bother with the Pope to tell you what's miraculous.

Jesus was just a guy, but a very evolved guy. He had a freeking illumination and managed to keep it. That's doing well. When you're at a certain level and when you're really passionate about something, you usually continue on with whatever it is. His thing was essentially psychology and psychotherapy. Buddha started the consciousness thing, that was his passion. Then when consciousness was ready, Jesus had to get human awareness out of it's head and into it's heart. The best thing to do was alleviate fear. Sort of how the aliens have to deal with us.
Nothing works very well towards love and Oneness when everyone's terrified. It was a job. You're here doing a job too, whatever it is.

Learning to think with the rest of the universe and trust the cause of oneself, is a lot easier and faster than thinking and pushing against it. It's not that hard.
Anyone listening made some good ground towards us all awakening.
The church became of course, the ego refusing the death of itself. Armageddon would be a likely end of all that.

He taught people how to develop their hearts and contact their own real selves. We really are supposed to be aware of our source. To the initiates he taught the mysteries like any good teacher with a few talented pupils.
Check out the instructions for laymen sometime, there's enough of them left if you look around. They're really sensible.
Those guys back then had a little better incentive. Times were pretty rough.
A lot of those things there we still mostly refuse to do.

That's the issue with Jesus. What he said. Not the miracles. "I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father."
So whats he mean by Father? Some God guy? Daddy alien? Home? Reality? Totality? 'The truth'? His own whole Self? The cause of us?
One of those. He said "I am". He must have figured something out that included him..
Or 'faith in me'? Like listen and apply the lessons? A little discipline? Enough belief to actually make it so? People play around with the manifestation idea a lot. Why would it have limits?

I like the alien idea too.

markpierre - your excellent summary of your view of Jesus is the view I share. Its realistic and does not take anything away from the man at all whatsoever. Reading your post was like drinking a glass of pure, cool water after a long run on a hot beachfront. Again, thank you.

[Chester]

why have so many of the magicians alive today gone to satanism, demonology, animal/human sacrifice, negative intentional magical practice?

And why have the John Changs who have been involved with secret societies that teach these types of healing methodologies been castigated for going public by their human society members as well as the entities they say they communicate with and are also their teachers who are not of this world as happened with John Chang?

This is why I have the very question I posed in post # 7 Clearly Chang's intentions in allowing a filmed demo to be made were completely and totally benevolent. He wanted to demostrate Qi Gong healing technology and yet he was told he did very, very wrong by these supposed "good" entities and never went public again.

And this technology can be performed by anyone - we all have the ability.
Awesome thread!

Personally, I happen to know a great many "healers", the majority of them being "Reiki Masters". On the other hand, I do not know, nor have I ever met, a full-fledged, consciously and willfully practicing black magician/Satanist. Perhaps it's just a matter of the company I seek ;)

I do not believe that the entities who castigated Mr. Chang are the same as the ones where he got his knowledge from. I have been reading the works of Great Masters for quite a few years now and just about every one is humble enough to admit that even THEY can be fooled. There is such a fine line between the negative and the positive, and one thing that sometimes dastardly Bible got right is that Satan (Jehovah) does indeed pose as an "Angel of Light".

One thing I do know for sure is that this Universe is "powered" by love and benevolence. It seeks to evolve towards the True God, the Prime Source, who is pure Love and Light. Someone has to provide the negative energy otherwise we do not evolve, we remain stagnant. No suffering is in vain.

As for Yehoshua Ben Yosef living to over 100 years in India, I also do not discount the theory that he SURVIVED the crucifixion, as claimed by the Church Father Irenaeus. There is certainly much "evidence" right inside the Bible to support that notion.....

http://www.markmason.net/ch4ex2.htm

http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/Christianity/2006/04/Could-Jesus-Have-Survived-The-Crucifixion.aspx

Excellent post - the point you made about Chang (as well as bearcow was making) has hit home. The struggle with the light and the dark is quite difficult and when a master sticks his head above the water, it is very easy for the head to be chopped off. Whether his spirit guide(s) were benevolent or malevolent is not at all something I could determine - the point I was trying to make (which is so idealistic that it is likely all but impossible) is that it is my view we can access wisdom directly within and not require spirit guides nor need to engage spirit guides. I suggest this because it appears to me that this dynamic of extra-dimensional good guys and extra-dimensional bad guys is the very dynamic that keeps us in the trap humanity finds itself in today.

The world by its very nature is a world of form and that means the fundamental first step outside of "emptiness" is an object within or in opposition to another object. The first step of the creation of form is essentially the creation of duality. We cannot escape form unless we are all absorbed back into the "all that is and there is nothing else and not even that."

This does not mean that the extremes we experience on earth at this time have to occur. My point is that when we give our own creative power and our own ability to access source within for answers via intermediaries of any kind, we empower those intermediaries and assist in the creation of a triality of - supernatural good / humanity / supernatural evil.

Not that the triality would disappear as it fundamentally cannot - but when we disregard our own role in how we empower the other 2/3rds of this dynamic... where we find ourselves on the brink of destroying our planet and/or murdering a significantly large percentage of the population of earth which would include all the innocent life forms on our planet that is proposed by a tiny representational faction within the 'supernaturally bad' consciously aware of this supernatural influence and consciously accepted and aligned with influence then the triality is dramatically imbalanced and humanity on earth can become either extinct or where the access to their soul has been completely shut off.

That is the stated plans of some within the group of humanity we call the elite and it is clear to some of us within humanity that the majority of humanity is the target.

Its my view that by feeding either end of the supernatural spectrum by denying we have or assuming we don't have (whether consciously or unconsciously) the same abilities within is to be complicit in the success of the plan of the darker elements on earth at this time.

That is why I react when someone defends (because of reverence for ancient traditions of secrecy) the white secret societies. If the word secret is in the mix - someone has been held out and those who are in on the secret are in a conspiracy of sorts and the ones outside of the secret miss the boat.

Secrecy in any form is complicit in solidifying the walls between the two ends of the supernatural spectrum that has humanity locked in the prison and humanity has its own responsibility in creating and maintaining the walls.

My suggestion is that humanity tear down the walls and meet the supernatural (spirit world) on equal ground and look the supernatural world eyeball to eyeball. In that way we can reverse the direction the extremes of the supernatural world are taking (which is extending away from humanity) and we can then stop being the food supply for this world and start being equals within creation.

Easy to say, hard to do (at least hard for just this one human).

[Prodigal Son]

it is my view we can access wisdom directly within and not require spirit guides nor need to engage spirit guides. I suggest this because it appears to me that this dynamic of extra-dimensional good guys and extra-dimensional bad guys is the very dynamic that keeps us in the trap humanity finds itself in today...... My point is that when we give our own creative power and our own ability to access source within for answers via intermediarries of any kind

Yes, I agree, and I do believe this is the whole point of that story about a Golden Calf in the Wilderness....;)

I also wanted to clarify something else.... that if anybody is insulted by the Jehovah being Satan thing, that this is the work of the Dark Cabal. I was raised as a Jehovah's Witness, and I must say that this religion is as close to the truth and yet as far away from the truth as possible, all at the same time! It's basically false Christianity on Kabbalistic steroids.

YHWH is actually the Divine Spark within. The study of Gnostic Kabbalah breaks down the entire Hebrew Alphabet and how it relates to the Tree of Life. They have attempted to lock those of us willing to dig deeper on the quest for the truth, into a quandary where we end up cursing the True God. There are two types of Kabbalah.... Intellectual and Intuitive. The former is Satanic black magic and the latter incarnates the Christ, synonymous with "YHWH". Obviously, the people who compiled the Bible into the form it takes today took the good stuff and mixed it with their own bad stuff. A good example would be Ezra rewriting the Torah while in "exile" in Babylon... the Roman Councils finished the job.

So basically, they took the Divine Spark within (Jehovah) and turned it into some deluded Demiurge Astronaut from the Pleiades.....

[Chester]

it is my view we can access wisdom directly within and not require spirit guides nor need to engage spirit guides. I suggest this because it appears to me that this dynamic of extra-dimensional good guys and extra-dimensional bad guys is the very dynamic that keeps us in the trap humanity finds itself in today...... My point is that when we give our own creative power and our own ability to access source within for answers via intermediarries of any kind

Yes, I agree, and I do believe this is the whole point of that story about a Golden Calf in the Wilderness....;)

I also wanted to clarify something else.... that if anybody is insulted by the Jehovah being Satan thing, that this is the work of the Dark Cabal. I was raised as a Jehovah's Witness, and I must say that this religion is as close to the truth and yet as far away from the truth as possible, all at the same time! It's basically false Christianity on Kabbalistic steroids.

YHWH is actually the Divine Spark within. The study of Gnostic Kabbalah breaks down the entire Hebrew Alphabet and how it relates to the Tree of Life. They have attempted to lock those of us willing to dig deeper on the quest for the truth, into a quandary where we end up cursing the True God. There are two types of Kabbalah.... Intellectual and Intuitive. The former is Satanic black magic and the latter incarnates the Christ, synonymous with "YHWH". Obviously, the people who compiled the Bible into the form it takes today took the good stuff and mixed it with their own bad stuff. A good example would be Ezra rewriting the Torah while in "exile" in Babylon... the Roman Councils finished the job.

So basically, they took the Divine Spark within (Jehovah) and turned it into some deluded Demiurge Astronaut from the Pleiades.....

Great post - man I am glad I am not alone on this planet...

You raise the excellent point of how everyone places things in either a "good" camp or a "bad" camp and all this does is throw the baby out with the bath water. Please, post more... Thanks, Prodigal Son, justone

[Prodigal Son]

Its my view that by feeding either end of the supernatural spectrum by denying we have or assuming we don't have (whether consciously or unconsciously) the same abilities within is to be complicit in the success of the plan of the darker elements on earth at this time.

That is why I react when someone defends (because of reverence for ancient traditions of secrecy) the white secret societies. If the word secret is in the mix - someone has been held out and those who are in on the secret are in a conspiracy of sorts and the ones outside of the secret miss the boat.

Secrecy in any form is complicit in solidifying the walls between the two ends of the supernatural spectrum that has humanity locked in the prison and humanity has its own responsibility in creating and maintaining the walls.

My suggestion is that humanity tear down the walls and meet the supernatural (spirit world) on equal ground and look the supernatural world eyeball to eyeball. In that way we can reverse the direction the extremes of the supernatural world are taking (which is extending away from humanity) and we can then stop being the food supply for this world and start being equals within creation.

Easy to say, hard to do (at least hard for just this one human).

I agree that this should be our goal, once we are ready for it. But as someone on this forum so aptly put it, we are for the time being stuck here in a "meat suit" that is vulnerable to..... being abruptly terminated. The White Lodge guys have consistently, and I believe sensibly, put up the argument that if they did not remain in secrecy, they wouldn't be around very long. They have been seriously put on the defensive. Millions of Gnostics were exterminated by the Roman Church, and Jesus clearly indicated that the death of every martyr could be blamed on "Jerusalem". Since these Intellectual Kabbalists have clearly infiltrated "Christianity", there is tremendous hidden wisdom in that statement. We're not talking about "Jews" here. We're identifying the Satanic bloodline that originated from the survivors of Atlantis and into Babylon, and they are, I hate to even say it, reptilian in the nature of their "souls". They have a lot more evolving to do than those of us on the side of benevolence and compassion, but they are not lost.

Mithraism was the White Lodge attempt to free the world from the clutches of the Dark Cabal... a Mithraic priest named Paul, probably unwittingly, combined it with the Orthodox corruption that defines "Christianity" today. Even he, being an initiate, taught that one could not consume the meat until they first were able to digest the milk. He clearly said that the story of Sarah and Hagar, which enables the two-tiered "Elite" ideology, was an allegory.

God help us if the White Lodges were ever completely wiped out. Jesus himself did say that not everyone was ready for the full truth and this is why he spoke in parables. According to the ancient wisdom traditions, it is not even possible to put the actual truth into written words, and so it is best conveyed through metaphors and allegories.

[Peace of Mind]

I believe Jesus was real and that he was not the first or the last to be seen in such a light. However, I’m very skeptical of a book that was re-written over and over.

Neither I nor anyone else can accurately say/prove what went on in the past; it’s all His-story. No one (today) really knows how to accurately read the bible, or confirm if most of it was written to be taken metaphorically, or literally. However, after experimentation…. I’ve come to see Jesus as the way of happiness…or as some say “My lord and savior, my Sheppard”, which (imo) is figuratively speaking.

IMO, I see Jesus as a strong, confident, loving, and fearless person who knew that great power comes with great responsibility. He always showed love for his fellow man/woman and enemies. He treasured nature and preached respect, accountability, and fellowship. He was a beacon of inspiration and the blue print to self empowerment. As Gods potential reveiling itself thru a human vessal.

I can relate in so many ways. I think we all are the second coming and that Jesus is truly inside all of us...but we have to realize this individually, It's a metaphor. You can't really learn the most high by learning from others, they are only guilds, You have to do this for self.

I also can see myself dying for those I love as well, I too see the populace as newborns that have yet to learn how to use their eyes. If Jesus died by way of sacrifice for our sins…how can I not feel blessed/privilege/empowered/honored/inspired/ambitious?

Imagine wasting your short time here on Earth contemplating your next moves, speculating other peoples moves, then die…...................what a waste that would be and a great disservice to self and everyone…including Jesus.

If someone gives their life for me… how can I not show my acknowledgement, my gratitude, and my love by repaying them back by being the best I can be…that's the least I can do.

If he was real or not is kind of unimportant (imo), his messages hold the real value. Many years ago I wanted change in my life…so I decided to walk in his footsteps…ever since then the world has been kind to me and I feel compel to tell others to open their hearts to his teachings, simply because they work. It seems those who have not taken on the task to do exactly what he has done…are the ones who blindly familiarize themselves with suffering. This is an understatement and not really a religious one.

Peace

[sirdipswitch]

Just Go Astral, and you can go ask him yourself. chuckle chuckle

love and peace
sirdipswitch

[RedeZra]

Hi RedeZra - I asked kindly that we do not post these types of posts in this thread.

You have threads in several parts of this forum for that level of discussion.

I was very clear about this request and yet within less than 24 hours of my creation of this thread you have to post exactly what I kindly asked you and others to leave out of this one single thread.



yes i do not think Jesus was influenced by et as et is just a nuage term for demons which Jesus used to cast out from people

even the Apostles by the Holy spirit got the power to bind demons and heal people

so my conclusion is that no et influenced Jesus but that He kicks their astral butts

[9eagle9]

That is an interesting perspective on the Jehovah's Witnesses. I would not in the least mind hearing more about that and how that developed.

The new age 'love' teachings we have in this day and age are form of satanic (ego driven) self indulgence which promotes a lot of basically just very immature ignorance. There is a reason why people view ignorance and willful stupidity as the greatest sin yet the observer must treat it as some sort of virtue.

That is a very insidious paradigm new religion for a new age of the same old ****. And most of those 'teachings' are very empty with no wisdom behind it, (all talk) and composed mostly of corrupted Christian core values that had nothing to do with Jesus. Love is not demonstrated but spoke of. Wisdom really cannot be conveyed in language; it can be supported by language but not conveyed in it's entirety. Wisdom is an expression and language is a very limited expression . One is however able to 'demonstrate' with comparisons or parable--particularly in illiterate societies then and now ( America being a very illiterate society now). One notices that what occurs in the spiritual realms is reflected in the physical realms.

If one take a quick skim through various new age forums you will see that intelligence and intellect are vilified for the reasons stated earlier. However its is how intelligence is used. . Intellect is simply the media that intelligence flows through high form or low form. Because intellgience has been used to control and suppress people intellect is vilified. That is no different than demonizing your faucet because your well ran dry.

Language though is the primary means of programming people especially illiterate people who haven't a clue as to what light, vibration, and dimensions really are and are now accepting corrupted definitions of such circumstances instead of bothering to find out what it really means. Espeically to them. Is that insane or what, to not bother to find out the real meanings of something that you are about to accept on to yourself?

Which means that anything of that nature is dealt with in a immature way. This has about as much self responsibility as having a Drano cocktail with a lye chaser because Guru X said it was so.

Really just spiritual immaturity. Spiritual evolution will of course sort that out eventually .There are other ways of looking at this as the dabblers don't really have the ability to absolutely destroy certain esoteric wisdom; they simply prevent the very thing they keep baah'ing for. One does of course reap what they've sown which is basically nothing. Nothing is expressed or demonstrated. It's just words and 'things to do."

Having a few me wannabes in my lifetime who have attempted to emulate some of things I demonstrate, they mimic my behaviors and my actions as if that is the source of whatever is occuring. . "I'm going to make a manifestational prayer tree and show everyone how enlightened I am."

The only difference no matter how many candles, and stones and offerings they make to the tree nothing happens. When I go to my tree something happens.

What is the difference? The trees? No, the trees, candles, beads and prayers don't have anything to do with what is occurring. They then turn into a distraction, where the focus is on what one is doing. I could conceivably have great wisdom by getting out my sacred lawn chair and beer but...the beer would be a distraction. This is why people who attempt to make themselves into guru's with practices to make the wisdom instead of practices to create an environment--a space-for wisdom to come in--are the first people to raise a red flag.

This occurs with a lot of people who are crossing the threshold of wisdom, becoming very suspicious of gurus who are attempting to create a following, even though they are not even sure WHY they are suspicious. They are , without words, simply knowing something they aren't consciously aware they know.

There has been a long tradition of esoteric practitioners keeping the esoteric a secret. Not to preserve it from the elite (who are already aware of it ) but the willfully stupid who, under the influence of this 'lite ' satanic influence would corrupt and pervert it for reasons of self indulgence only.

I see that on this forum daily. Someone mentioned Reiki earlier. That is one form of esoteric practice that was revived spiritually in the 1800's. By the late 1990's the new age sheep had watered down and twisted the wisdom of inner healing to the point it was virtually useless. Those who learned Reiki before it was massed produced and packaged for the sheeple have a much different way of manifesting with it. You cannot speak a word of it. Having been a Reiki master before I climbed out of that energy, I have observed that a Reiki master with 40 years of practice under their belt in no way can correct a Reiki apprentice who earned a certificate in the modality in one day last week. Those 'new' to the practice are always correct even though they have no idea what they are practicing isn't even Reiki anymore.

However those who have attempted to preserve something that may cause some profound spiritual awakening have been persecuted by the greedy new age masses as being selfish and withholding what is rightfully theirs even though they insist they do not need the self mastery appropriate to said esoteria.

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even the Apostles by the Holy spirit got the power to bind demons and heal people

so Jesus doesn't have to be directly involved to create such circumstances.

by your own self admission.

[Sierra]

Hi RedeZra - I asked kindly that we do not post these types of posts in this thread.

You have threads in several parts of this forum for that level of discussion.

I was very clear about this request and yet within less than 24 hours of my creation of this thread you have to post exactly what I kindly asked you and others to leave out of this one single thread.

Within this same category you have the other thread I created - jesus the man / JESUS the Archon which everyone is able to engage others that come from your point of view.

If you had a thread you created where you asked non fundamentalist, non literal interpretations of anything Biblical and/or anything Christian to not be posted in your thread I would certainly honor your request.

Why is it impossible for you to honor my request so we can have just one thread in this huge forum where there are thousands of threads you can post these typs of arguments and where you can even create your own thread along these lines?

Please, do not derail this thread... Please

Redezra,

Please do not derail this thread as requested by the OP. You have many threads of your own, to present your POV. Allow others the same privilege please. :)

Regards, Sierra

[9eagle9]

The astral plane is where most EM mimicry takes place. That's rather like asking someone to go to Disney world and find a brunette under all the costuming.








Just Go Astral, and you can go ask him yourself. chuckle chuckle

love and peace
sirdipswitch

[K626]

Trained by the Essene by the sea. Mystic and teacher YES. Son of 'god'? No.

In Dan's post earlier the Caycee link has it about spot on.

....And yes most of us have abilities within us that through correct traiing and certain rituals can be hugely beneficial to the person and those around them.

Peace

K

[9eagle9]

Jesus asked him, saying, "What is your name?" And he said, "Legion," because many demons had entered him. 31And they begged Him that He would not command them to go out into the abyss. 32Now a herd of many swine was feeding there on the mountain. So they begged Him that He would permit them to enter them. And He permitted them. 33Then the demons went out of the man and entered the swine, and the herd ran violently down the steep place into the lake and drowned.

Extracted from Scriptures to describe an interaction between Archonic Entities and Jesus.



The archons (many-legion) left the body of the man and re-organized themselves in a herd of swine. They identified themselves as legion--many. Archons cannot create they can only repeat and re organize. The legion went to re-legion in a herd of swine.

Instead of what is being told one observes what is being shown.

Especially in regards to re-legion

We also see that perhaps casting out is not sufficient to rid the world of archonic energies.

They just go and re-legion and re-organize elsewhere.

[noprophet]

I am fully of the belief that much of the modern bible, qaran, etc are mostly compilations of a variety of early kabalist/zoroastrian meditations. Much of the complex nuances are actually iterating very specific psychological details about the mental exercises being described.

An excellent example of this is the utility of "accepting"(using) the perspective of the world as literally being the body of god (skin of the serpent) and therefore all things presented to you from this (e.g. everything) being the literal word of god. This then allows for certain algebraic lines of conception to be drawn through an interpretation of reality that does not rely on defining a first principle (dogmas). Rather it looks at everything as the whole and then begins to define a variety of functions being performed by the whole without judgement of right and wrong within the dualistic aspects. (This is the kabalist principle that Jesus was created to represent)

We had some great info bouncing around over at the gate (http://www.ishtarsgate.com/forum/showthread.php?2953-The-Gnostic-Version-of-the-Garden-of-the-Eden-story) about this.

[Prodigal Son]

That is an interesting perspective on the Jehovah's Witnesses. I would not in the least mind hearing more about that and how that developed.


I will be more than happy to share all that dirt... the problem is that we will be able to create a new continent of landfill with it.

I won't be online for the rest of today, but I wanted to leave the forum with this one thought that puts the whole Bible-tampering deception in a nutshell. I first learned this from Blavatsky but since then had it verified by a number of different sources.

There is a serious interpolation at Genesis 4:1, which I have bolded below, that completely changes its meaning..... please compare these 2 versions and notice the subtle, yet gigantic difference:

American Standard Version
And the man knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man with the help of Jehovah.

Darby Bible Translation
And Man knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bore Cain, and said, I have acquired a man with Jehovah.

Those sneeeeks!! :alien:

[panopticon]

There has been a long tradition of esoteric practitioners keeping the esoteric a secret. Not to preserve it from the elite (who are already aware of it ) but the willfully stupid who, under the influence of this 'lite ' satanic influence would corrupt and pervert it for reasons of self indulgence only.

I see that on this forum daily. Someone mentioned Reiki earlier. That is one form of esoteric practice that was revived spiritually in the 1800's. By the late 1990's the new age sheep had watered down and twisted the wisdom of inner healing to the point it was virtually useless. Those who learned Reiki before it was massed produced and packaged for the sheeple have a much different way of manifesting with it. You cannot speak a word of it. Having been a Reiki master before I climbed out of that energy, I have observed that a Reiki master with 40 years of practice under their belt in no way can correct a Reiki apprentice who earned a certificate in the modality in one day last week. Those 'new' to the practice are always correct even though they have no idea what they are practicing isn't even Reiki anymore.

However those who have attempted to preserve something that may cause some profound spiritual awakening have been persecuted by the greedy new age masses as being selfish and withholding what is rightfully theirs even though they insist they do not need the self mastery appropriate to said esoteria.

I'm sorry 9eagle9 but a thank you was insufficient. Well said!

[UnrealDreams]

I think one of the most controversial aspects of the character "Jesus" is that he said he was God. That ruffled a lot of feathers. The bible itself says that we were all created in the image of God. I believe this is what Jesus meant. We are Gods, but our true nature has been supressed by our controllers.

I wish people could be more like Jesus was, especially Christians. Why do some Christians go to church every Sunday, and then support the USA killing anyone on Earth to secure oil? These things are inexplicable. Practicing Christians should have only one goal, which is to be like Jesus every day. They should be forbidden from prostelysing to others until they achieve this goal. The world would be an awesome place if Christians tried to be like Christ. As it is, Christians are a major contibutor to the problems going on today.

Thank you for having a thread where I can release the true feelings I have had since I was a boy. I could never say this in the presence of religous folks. I believe I can do all that Jesus did. I am his equal...we all are. Our true nature has yet to reveal itself.

[Chester]

I think one of the most controversial aspects of the character "Jesus" is that he said he was God. That ruffled a lot of feathers. The bible itself says that we were all created in the image of God. I believe this is what Jesus meant. We are Gods, but our true nature has been supressed by our controllers.

I wish people could be more like Jesus was, especially Christians. Why do some Christians go to church every Sunday, and then support the USA killing anyone on Earth to secure oil? These things are inexplicable. Practicing Christians should have only one goal, which is to be like Jesus every day. They should be forbidden from prostelysing to others until they achieve this goal. The world would be an awesome place if Christians tried to be like Christ. As it is, Christians are a major contibutor to the problems going on today.

Thank you for having a thread where I can release the true feelings I have had since I was a boy. I could never say this in the presence of religous folks. I believe I can do all that Jesus did. I am his equal...we all are. Our true nature has yet to reveal itself.

I am not in agreement Jesus said he was God. Yes, in parts of the Bible, the character they portray to be Jesus says that, but this is where one has to discern "who" actually said something like that. I have read the non biblical gospels found in the Nag Hammadi Library and the Jesus in those writings never makes that ype of statement.

Remember that reading a bible today has zero guarantee what you are reading is the actual truth as to what anyone may have actually said.

I would add another consideration too and that is when one reads these types of materials contemplatively in search of the mystical meaning within, sometimes one can come upon knowledge you can't even express in words. In those cases, the words that prompt such experiences can say anything but to take them literally would be a mistake.

just two cents from justone

[9eagle9]

"I am of God" tends to be the theme concerning Jesus.

Seldom is he referred to as son of God but....

Son of Man? Yes about 88 times .

There's a topic worth exploring. That represents a notion that Man is god and had his Son ?

Son of Man means that he was a human?

To be human means that one's core essence is divine?

Sun of man (illuminator) is even more appropriate? and may be were all the solar and astro-theology got tangled up in the mix.

. So if we are not further confused and falling in out of a number of rabbit holes.

Hu-man. The same way that sha-man may? That prefix has gotta mean something. I'd dearly love to pick the ear of someone who knew something of ancient languages.

[Lettherebelight]

Manushya in Sanskrit means 'human beings', people from this planet. There are other sanskrit names for inhabitants of other planets.


Latin....

Manus--man
Humus--earth

[9eagle9]

Earth men? As opposed to men that are not from earth?

[markpierre]

I am not in agreement Jesus said he was God. Yes, in parts of the Bible, the character they portray to be Jesus says that, but this is where one has to discern "who" actually said something like that. I have read the non biblical gospels found in the Nag Hammadi Library and the Jesus in those writings never makes that ype of statement.

Remember that reading a bible today has zero guarantee what you are reading is the actual truth as to what anyone may have actually said.

I would add another consideration too and that is when one reads these types of materials contemplatively in search of the mystical meaning within, sometimes one can come upon knowledge you can't even express in words. In those cases, the words that prompt such experiences can say anything but to take them literally would be a mistake.

just two cents from justone

But do you remember the famous come-back line; "Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?" That shut the bastards up. I like to think he really said that.
It sounds like him. Cheeky.

I think the controversy is over a statement like "I and the father are one." Tough one if you don't believe it. But I think it's kind of obvious, I think I've said that myself.
The Aramaic translation says “I and my Father, We are One.” Which doesn't really sound all that confronting.

It was a technicality anyway. It's a bit silly to interpret it with the same mind that was using it to indict. They were going to get him anyway. Politics.
It was the Zealots by the way, who did him in. Right time, right family, oldest brother, wrong message. They tried the 'illegitimate' angle, but he had the crowds.
He was supposed to add to it; 'so let's whoop-a$$ on the Romans' but he wouldn't.
So they tried that later on their own, and the Romans wiped them out. So there you go.

But he taught transformation. He taught (to paraphrase) 'don't try to change what you've been given, learn to use it'. There was a much bigger plan in effect than creating a perfect world.
The plan was to create a perfect 'you'. There is no 'imperfect world', and the illusion has nothing to do with imperfect people on it.
It has to do with misinterpreting a limited amount of data. Imperfect ideas in the minds of perfect creators look perfectly messy. It needs a radical solution.
That's what's changing. You see a bit deeper, you re-evaluate your position, you struggle a bit then you begin to relax, you start to let go of some of the dumb ideas.
The world 'appears' to change. The kingdom is within. Surprise!
It's a miracle!

[Beren]

I am not in agreement Jesus said he was God. Yes, in parts of the Bible, the character they portray to be Jesus says that, but this is where one has to discern "who" actually said something like that. I have read the non biblical gospels found in the Nag Hammadi Library and the Jesus in those writings never makes that ype of statement.

Remember that reading a bible today has zero guarantee what you are reading is the actual truth as to what anyone may have actually said.

I would add another consideration too and that is when one reads these types of materials contemplatively in search of the mystical meaning within, sometimes one can come upon knowledge you can't even express in words. In those cases, the words that prompt such experiences can say anything but to take them literally would be a mistake.

just two cents from justone

But do you remember the famous come-back line; "Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?" That shut the bastards up. I like to think he really said that.
It sounds like him. Cheeky.

I think the controversy is over a statement like "I and the father are one." Tough one if you don't believe it. But I think it's kind of obvious, I think I've said that myself.
The Aramaic translation says “I and my Father, We are One.” Which doesn't really sound all that confronting.

It was a technicality anyway. It's a bit silly to interpret it with the same mind that was using it to indict. They were going to get him anyway. Politics.
It was the Zealots by the way, who did him in. Right time, right family, oldest brother, wrong message. They tried the 'illegitimate' angle, but he had the crowds.
He was supposed to add to it; 'so let's whoop-a$$ on the Romans' but he wouldn't.
So they tried that later on their own, and the Romans wiped them out. So there you go.

But he taught transformation. He taught (to paraphrase) 'don't try to change what you've been given, learn to use it'. There was a much bigger plan in effect than creating a perfect world.
The plan was to create a perfect 'you'. There is no 'imperfect world', and the illusion has nothing to do with imperfect people on it.
It has to do with misinterpreting a limited amount of data. Imperfect ideas in the minds of perfect creators look perfectly messy. It needs a radical solution.
That's what's changing. You see a bit deeper, you re-evaluate your position, you struggle a bit then you begin to relax, you start to let go of some of the dumb ideas.
The world 'appears' to change. The kingdom is within. Surprise!
It's a miracle!

100% agree.

Jesus did all that he could to awake average human being to the awesome fact the he / she is god. And God (with big G ) in becoming.
Being God means you have all power in all existence but also you are in the truth,love,life itself.
Wisdom is your prerogative .

That`s who we are.
Sadly some still argue this.

[shadowstalker]

Very impressive thread glad i stumbled upon it, thank you
And thank you again for the link
http://www.near-death.com/experiences/origen049.html

[Daughter of Time]

It is my belief that Yeshua was an alien hybrid (the good kind) and he really wanted to help this very troubled human race. Even my mother believes that Yeshua could not have been a human. He was much too advanced!

It is my belief that the virgin birth was also real. Miriam's eggs were artificially inseminated with alien sperm.

It is my belief that aliens (the bad kind) have been preying on us and feeding on the chaos they created for many millenia and Yeshua wanted to try to rescue us from them by changing our belief systems. He taught love and forgiveness and was not exactly a supporter of organized religions himself.

The evil alien races which were already overly abundant on earth did not like Yeshua being here. He was alike a thorn on their sides. So they got rid of him to discourage others from trying to follow in his footsteps.

This is all in a very tiny nutshell. I could go on and on about this but I find that very long posts are sometimes difficult to follow.

[shadowstalker]

My mom said on several account that he was from Venus, this was before she was sent into (thru fear) hiding from the MIB's

[Chester]

I am not in agreement Jesus said he was God. Yes, in parts of the Bible, the character they portray to be Jesus says that, but this is where one has to discern "who" actually said something like that. I have read the non biblical gospels found in the Nag Hammadi Library and the Jesus in those writings never makes that ype of statement.

Remember that reading a bible today has zero guarantee what you are reading is the actual truth as to what anyone may have actually said.

I would add another consideration too and that is when one reads these types of materials contemplatively in search of the mystical meaning within, sometimes one can come upon knowledge you can't even express in words. In those cases, the words that prompt such experiences can say anything but to take them literally would be a mistake.

just two cents from justone

But do you remember the famous come-back line; "Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?" That shut the bastards up. I like to think he really said that.
It sounds like him. Cheeky.

I think the controversy is over a statement like "I and the father are one." Tough one if you don't believe it. But I think it's kind of obvious, I think I've said that myself.
The Aramaic translation says “I and my Father, We are One.” Which doesn't really sound all that confronting.

It was a technicality anyway. It's a bit silly to interpret it with the same mind that was using it to indict. They were going to get him anyway. Politics.
It was the Zealots by the way, who did him in. Right time, right family, oldest brother, wrong message. They tried the 'illegitimate' angle, but he had the crowds.
He was supposed to add to it; 'so let's whoop-a$$ on the Romans' but he wouldn't.
So they tried that later on their own, and the Romans wiped them out. So there you go.

But he taught transformation. He taught (to paraphrase) 'don't try to change what you've been given, learn to use it'. There was a much bigger plan in effect than creating a perfect world.
The plan was to create a perfect 'you'. There is no 'imperfect world', and the illusion has nothing to do with imperfect people on it.
It has to do with misinterpreting a limited amount of data. Imperfect ideas in the minds of perfect creators look perfectly messy. It needs a radical solution.
That's what's changing. You see a bit deeper, you re-evaluate your position, you struggle a bit then you begin to relax, you start to let go of some of the dumb ideas.
The world 'appears' to change. The kingdom is within. Surprise!
It's a miracle!

100% agree.

Jesus did all that he could to awake average human being to the awesome fact the he / she is god. And God (with big G ) in becoming.
Being God means you have all power in all existence but also you are in the truth,love,life itself.
Wisdom is your prerogative .

That`s who we are.
Sadly some still argue this.

Its possible the man who lived that we know of today as Jesus (and we have agreed in this thread that we accept the assumption he did live) did in fact emulate and espouse with words what you say here Beren, as well as the gist of what markpierre's post above said.

When I go within, I feel that this is true. I don't know it, but I feel it. Having said that, I would also say I have experienced similar truth from the legends/histories/accounts of others who have come before us as well as have experienced the same similar truth from folks who are alive today, including many who post on this forum.

justone

[Chester]

It is my belief that Yeshua was an alien hybrid (the good kind) and he really wanted to help this very troubled human race. Even my mother believes that Yeshua could not have been a human. He was much too advanced!

It is my belief that the virgin birth was also real. Miriam's eggs were artificially inseminated with alien sperm.

It is my belief that aliens (the bad kind) have been preying on us and feeding on the chaos they created for many millenia and Yeshua wanted to try to rescue us from them by changing our belief systems. He taught love and forgiveness and was not exactly a supporter of organized religions himself.

The evil alien races which were already overly abundant on earth did not like Yeshua being here. He was alike a thorn on their sides. So they got rid of him to discourage others from trying to follow in his footsteps.

This is all in a very tiny nutshell. I could go on and on about this but I find that very long posts are sometimes difficult to follow.

Thank You very much for this post. Of all the possibilities I have considered, this is one that I am personally very open to. My concern has been, was (is) the being, Yeshua, (is) truly benevolent or is it possible, this being may simply be one of the "bad guys."

I bring forth this consideration because of the large amounts of reports of those who had "Jesus" or "Mary" components within the scope of an overall larger, negative experience as has been noted on Houman's Horus-Ra thread. I have meditated quite a bit on this and one of my current "guesses" fits in well with what you propose here, Daughter of Time. And that is that Yeshua was a indeed a hybrid (and more specifically a Syrian hybred birth that I understand is created from three beings) and that the archontic forces have taken advantage of the Jesus and Mary traditions via imitation.

Something to consider from the very open minded justone

[Chester]

My mom said on several account that he was from Venus, this was before she was sent into (thru fear) hiding from the MIB's

wow and amongst some of the same sources as the information I have received which I mentioned in my previous post, the Venusians were originally from Sirius.

But note: there are more than one Sirian alien groups and I am not very schooled in all that.

I also want to add that it is simply information I have come upon that I keep an open mind to and only that. Still... great to be open and speculative in this thread about any and all possibilities and was the foundational intent of this thread.

Thanks shadowstalker and Daughter of Time.

[Daughter of Time]

I am fully convinced that Yeshua was of the good kind. I do realize that too many horrible things have been done in his name. But horrible things seem to be done in the name of things that should be most sacred. Horrible things have been done in the name of love, in the name of God, etc.,

Christianity and its horrific history was not started by him but by the other side. They made poor, brain washed humans commit unspeakable acts in the name of God so they could feed on the energy of our pain. I don't think that's Yeshua's work at all. I am totally convinced it isn't.

However, I fully understand why you would think otherwise.

[markpierre]

Something to consider from the very open minded justone

Haha, if you open your mind too far, EVERYTHING may fall out.

I think you're on to something big.


Hey sorry, I should add something to help that make sense to anyone that might be listening.
A slightly different definition maybe?

A broad mind can hold a lot of varied viewpoints and information in consideration.
In an 'open' mind, nothing can get stuck. It doesn't need a viewpoint.
It feels like Teflon, if you can imagine that.

[Chester]

I am fully convinced that Yeshua was of the good kind. I do realize that too many horrible things have been done in his name. But horrible things seem to be done in the name of things that should be most sacred. Horrible things have been done in the name of love, in the name of God, etc.,

Christianity and its horrific history was not started by him but by the other side. They made poor, brain washed humans commit unspeakable acts in the name of God so they could feed on the energy of our pain. I don't think that's Yeshua's work at all. I am totally convinced it isn't.

However, I fully understand why you would think otherwise.

Let me make clear my view - and this is just personal experience. Considering I have opened myself to archontic forces and had experiences of messianic complex and had experiences with a "voice" that my intuition at that time thought was God which later I concluded was just archontic forces, I am a bit gun shy about how to properly interpret any of my experiences. So please keep that in mind in the following.

Oh, and one more consideration - the fact that I was born in Texas and from a non practicing but still Christian family and was raised primarily in a Christian environment.

I would sometimes get in a state where I would call upon God and then, I am assuming because I want to see God through a real being, would call upon Jesus... and then I would get that goose bumpy feeling all over I later started to call "the shine."

The Shine state would happen sometimes when I experience something that seemed to have a high, moral lesson. Sometimes a movie could get me into that state, triggered by a key line that brought forth a critically important human lesson.

Sometimes I would witness a touching moment, like at a hospital or at some presentation where someone would be honored... and at a key moment that Shine would be triggered.

When I would have that, I always thought it was Jesus... or perhaps Christ energies would be a better word.

Now if you read any of my posts related to archontic attacks and how I created the opportunity for those via inappropriate interpretation of my experiences as it relates to the voice (and sometimes voices) as well as the uncanny synchronicities, and that my last experience was only a few short months ago where the voice drove me to almost killing myself, you might be able to understand why I am reluctant to trust anything.

But now that some time has passed, I am beginning to be open that I have experienced true, benevolent Christ energies (for lack of any better terms) as well as archontic attacks.

Now I am anything but a Bible literalist (as surely one would know if they have read some of my posts) but in being completely honest, it really seemed like a being people sometimes call Jesus (but maybe Jesus was just a single incarnation of this said being) was indeed with me in spirit and that's when I had those goose bump type experiences.

Having said all that, it would not at all surprise me this being is a benevolent ED, that this being may even be the Lord of the planet Earth perhaps, or something along those lines.

I just don't know and I am very, very gun shy.

If someone said I had to decide, I would say it was Christ Consciousness I experienced and that there is a being that is the entity manifestation of Christ Consciousness and that that entity may have incarnated as Yeshua.

That would not mean though that this being was and may still be the one and only resource we have to connect with Christ Consciousness. It also does not mean that others have never incarnated that were of the purest Christ Consciousness nor that we may not have those of the Christ Consciousness incarnate on earth today.

That's the way I lean in all this - stated as openly and honestly as I can do.

justone

[Daughter of Time]

Justone, I am not trying to even remotely convince you of my viewpoint. I am simply stating what I fully believe in my heart and in my soul due primarily to past life regressions and other so-called paranormal experiences which I've had since I was a child and continue to this day.

We all have our journeys (which can be very complicated) which hopefully will lead us all to uncovering the truth.

I respect everyone's opinions unless I feel they come from evil intent, which I certainly do not feel from you.

Blessings!

[markpierre]

All this stuff about Archons is new to me. I find it fascinating. Hell, how did that all slip past me? I thought I was pretty well educated. Anyway thanks.

This lifted from a text from some definition from somewhere;
"for by starting from the invisible world the visible world was invented." makes perfect sense to me. 'Invented' seems like the operative.
Made up. Make believe. But convincing enough so that I believed it. Do I need to continue to? Or can I change my mind?
I'm a spirit that organized for me to be here and wake up every morning believing that I'm not necessarily in control of what's going to happen next.
That's a bit weird.


I am a bit gun shy about how to properly interpret any of my experiences.
justone

My god I so relate. Try this for a sec; consider how they changed you. Not your opinions or beliefs, though they may have. But how they changed you fundamentally,
so that you experience yourself as different now than before them, or closer to the truth of you. Interesting to imagine, but play with it.
You can interpret anything and everything as nothing other than that. Really, you can. Not saying that's 'the way' or anything, but it helps me.
After I've had a coffee.

[Chester]

Hi Daughter of Time - apologies if I mis-communicated... sometimes posts can do that. I was a wee bit concerned that I had given an impression that I deemed all types of non phyiscal human intelligence contact as malevolent.

I had entertained that concern even recently, and so I thought perhaps you picked up on those considerations and I was clarifying where I stand on all that now.

I was really happy with your posted consideration about Yeshua perhaps an ED/human hybred as I have always considered that as a quite possible explanation.

Again, apologies if other impressions were made.

Thanks again for your posts and also your posts on the Horus-Ra thread.

[Chester]

All this stuff about Archons is new to me. I find it fascinating. Hell, how did that all slip past me? I thought I was pretty well educated. Anyway thanks.

This lifted from a text from some definition from somewhere;
"for by starting from the invisible world the visible world was invented." makes perfect sense to me. 'Invented' seems like the operative.
Made up. Make believe. But convincing enough so that I believed it. Do I need to continue to? Or can I change my mind?
I'm a spirit that organized for me to be here and wake up every morning believing that I'm not necessarily in control of what's going to happen next.
That's a bit weird.


I am a bit gun shy about how to properly interpret any of my experiences.
justone

My god I so relate. Try this for a sec; consider how they changed you. Not your opinions or beliefs, though they may have. But how they changed you fundamentally,
so that you experience yourself as different now than before them, or closer to the truth of you. Interesting to imagine, but play with it.
You can interpret anything and everything as nothing other than that. Really, you can. Not saying that's 'the way' or anything, but it helps me.
After I've had a coffee.

see this post by observer -

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?45250-Jesus-the-man-JESUS-the-Archon----inspired-by-Houman--s-Horus-Ra-thread&p=494845&viewfull=1#post494845

and listen to the brief interview of Jay Weidner - can help ya get up to speed on this

[ulli]

This is for Jorr, who mentioned connecting the dots. Also for anyone who has ever contemplated both "resurrection" and "second coming" and is open to the possibility that such an event might have already come and gone and stirred up the planet and move it towards the promised Kingdom of Heaven on Earth.
A Persian nobleman claimed that he was Christ returned, and did so in a variety of letters, which he addressed to the monarchs of the 19th century, as well as to Pope Pius IX.
These letters were written by him while confined to life imprisonment in Palestine.

In this essay below Juan Cole sums up Baha'u'llah's messages to the kings.
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bhkings.htm

Excerpt

In the letter to Pope Pius IX (r. 1846-1878), Baha'u'llah warned the
pontiff not to allow a focus on Jesus's name to bar him from recognizing the
reality of the Lord of the heavens and earth. He criticized the pope for living in
palaces while the returned Messiah dwelt in the most desolate of abodes. He
reminded Pope Pius that the most learned men of Jesus's own time rejected him,
while a humble fisherman embraced his teachings. He lamented that while
generations of pious monks had prayed day and night for the return of Christ,
when he came they failed to recognize him. He said to the Pontiff to "Sell all
the embellished ornaments thou dost possess, and expend them in the path of
God . . . abandon thy kingdom unto the kings, and emerge from thy habitation,
with thy face set towards the Kingdom, and, detached from the world, then
speak forth the praises of thy Lord" (POB, p. 85). He thus counselled the Pope
to relinquish the papal estates and concentrate on a spiritual ministry. He
identified the Bab as the return of John the Baptist for Christians, heralding
Baha'u'llah's own advent who speaks with the tongue of the Son (Muluk, pp.
73-90).
In addition, Baha'u'llah apostrophizes some rulers in his 1873 book of
laws, al-Kitab al-Aqdas. He addressed Kaiser Wilhelm I of Prussia (r. 1871-
88), reminding him of how ephemeral was earthly glory, giving the example of
his defeated enemy Napoleon III. Baha'u'llah foresaw that the banks of the
Rhine would be "covered with gore" and heard "the lamentations of Berlin"
(Muluk, pp. 250-51). The Prussian monarchy later perished in the defeat
inflicted on it in World War I. He rebuked the emperor Franz Joseph of Austria
for visiting Jerusalem but neglecting to inquire about Baha'u'llah while in the
Holy Land. He collectively addressed the monarchs and rulers presiding over
the territories of the Americas, urging them to recognize him, and to "bind ye
the broken with the hands of justice, and crush the oppressor who flourisheth
with the rod of the commandments of your Lord" (Muluk, 258; POB, 63). He
also collectively addressed the rulers of the earth in the Most Holy Book,
calling upon them to accept him as their spiritual sovereign (Muluk, pp. 262-
65).
Baha'u'llah took an increasingly dim view of absolute monarchy during
this period. Whereas he began by urging something like cabinet consultation on
Sultan Abdulaziz, he ended by predicting that in the future no one would accept
the task of ruling as monarch alone, that monarchy would survive, if at all, only
as constitutional monarchy. He wrote to Shaykh Salman soon after his exile in
Akka, "One of the signs of the maturity of the world is that no one will accept
to bear the weight of kingship. Kingship will remain with none willing to bear
alone its weight. That day will be the day whereon wisdom
will be manifested among mankind. Only in order to proclaim the Cause of
God and spread abroad his faith will anyone be willing to bear this grievous
weight"
Juan Cole

Investigating such a claim is the least anyone who takes Jesus and the Bible seriously can do in my opinion.
Since Baha'u'llah's passing in 1892 history has been unfolding as he had foretold, and all the places where he lived are still experiencing the turmoil and upheaval that his presence caused, such as Teheran, where he was born, Baghdad, where he was exiled and finally Israel, where he was imprisoned and died when it was still Palestine.

It took me a year to investigate before committing to believe in him.
Two world wars as well as globalization, are among the prophecies which have already been fulfilled.
An oppressive non-spiritual world government was also prophesied, before a purged humanity would finally witness the hoisting of the banner of world peace and the promised golden age in which the necessary system change will have been implemented.
I sincerely hope someone here will rise to the challenge and at least google and read some of "Baha'u'llah's letters to the kings".

[ulli]

Here is an example of Baha'u'llah's message, which sums up his entire mission, which is to end religious conflict on earth.

"They that are endued with sincerity and faithfulness should associate
with all the peoples and kindreds of the earth with joy and radiance,
inasmuch as consorting with people hath promoted and will continue to promote unity and concord, which in turn are conducive to the maintenance of order in the world and to the regeneration of nations.

Blessed are such as hold fast to the cord of kindliness and tender mercy and are free from animosity and hatred.
This Wronged One exhorteth the peoples of the world to observe tolerance and righteousness...."

[markpierre]

This is for Jorr, who mentioned connecting the dots.


Wow. So he told the Pope to grow the f up. That would have been fun. He must have giggled himself to sleep that night. It'd be interesting
to know what the Pope thought of it all. I'll presume it ruffled some finery.

[ulli]

I doubt if Baha'u'llah was the type of person who giggled although there is historical evidence that he had a sense of humour.
As far as the Pope's response is concerned, I did some digging and found this Baha'i discussion forum where the letter to the Pope comes up in a post.
http://bahaiforums.com/interfaith/8207-william-sears-pope-john-xxiii-bahaullah.html





Baha'u'llah told the Pontiff bluntly that the "Father" had come had come as promised by the "Son," Jesus the Christ. He, Himself, Baha'u'llah said, was that Father.
The response was less than joyful.
Perhaps that attitude was understandable a hundred years ago. Regrettable, but understandable. The world head of any religion is not likely to be stirred to his depths when his position of eminence is challenged; especially by such a seemingly preposterous claim; written from a penal colony prison by a condemned Exile.
Caiaphas didn't go into spasms of ecstasy when Christ told him He was the "Son of God." And he met Jesus face to face. Instead, he called Christ a blasphemer.

We can imagine then the reaction generated by Baha'u'llah's letter to the Pope. No one even bothered to call Him a blasphemer, although His claim was even more presumptuous than Christ's. Nor did the Curia exhibit the annoyance and alarm which had been aroused among several of the kings.
Instead, a curtain of silence descended around the entire subject.

[markpierre]

Is giggling exclusive to only certain types of people? What if something is funny?

I know....this is a serious topic.

Yes the first 264 popes were reptilians, and this one is a crocodile.

[ulli]

Is giggling exclusive to only certain types of people? What if something is funny?

I know....this is a serious topic.

Yes the first 264 popes were reptilians, and this one is a crocodile.

I'm neither sure about reptilians nor giggling saints, except I know that the Mararishi TM guru was a giggler.
And that to me never felt quite right.
So you may have touched upon a nerve there.
I guess I associate giggling with the immaturity of school girls, while real maturity is expressed via a belly laugh, Buddha style.
But unlike most religious beliefs, it is a personal matter.

[9eagle9]

An example of how the invisible or 'unseen' world is created. We have hard time creating with physical matter, the seen world. We can create circumstances here or situations but most of us can't wish or think a chair for instance to simply organize itself into reality. If I am attempting to manifest a chair more than likely someone will just give me one that has already been created.
But anything that we have created materially here, houses, chairs, cars, all began with a thought of some sorts. Everything we have built on earth began with a thought. "Hey I think I'll build a wooden geometric apparatus to park my butt in"

A thought is of course unseen, invisible matter so to speak.

We can take a thought and create with it in the invisible world . Ego based thoughts and emotions are empty and can be assumed by archons, to be leveraged and manipulated. This is how the act of possession is intiated. It can minor or major. Some people are just obsessed with certain thoughts and even other people can manipulate them based on their obsession, their inability to not see anything other than what they are so tightly focused on.

There is a lot of emotion attached to these thoughts that keep them anchored. This is the simple (this is not in the least complex, mind) way in how archons attach themselves via one's thoughts and feelings.

Archons themselves cannot create they only assume, possess or repeat.

So there is world we are unconsciously interacting in. It mirrors this one. What the material world does is mirror back what is going on in this unseen world.

One learns to see this unseen world by observing the material world.

Archons can also implant thoughts, and they sound alien or unnatural.

You're sitting around with friends, having a beer, laughing and suddenly you have an idea that you should go in the bathroom and hang yourself. Or jump up and strangle one of your friends.

For those who are of little inner fortitude may do just that. We read about that in the paper ALL the time. People barging into schools and shooting all the staff and the kids. This is not natural human behavior. We are pissy and imperfect but that is not naturally occurring behavior. That is someone assumed or possesed by an alien thought form and brushed off as mental disease.

For the greater amount of the population people may become scared by 'their own thought' or otherwise attempt to rationalize or resist it. Neither is a good idea but better than the first reaction.

For others who have been up Insinuation Road before they do not have a fear response, (because its 'only' a thought) and shrug the thought off as meaningless and archonic or alien. That is where its power is cut off. The thought cannot be lent credence or importance or reality.

If you do not get sucked into the fear thought game listening (not heeding) archonic or alien thoughts can be very revealing--about yourself anyway.

They operate always a certain way, never deviating, and they EXPECT a certain reaction from people. Which is normally fear or awe (especially awe if they are fulfilling a thought-expectation from a person to lend 'reality' to that thought. they expect awe when they appear as angels for instance)

Living people engage in archonic activity all the time. Parents posing as Santa Claus is our first exposure to archonic interplay. To make us believe something.

How this scenario going back to obsessive thoughts. Ever had a person who had a unhealthy obsessive crush on you? How exhausted you feel when they are attempting to get your energy (attention). You don't feel flattered, exhalted, uplifted or inspired you feel exhausted--energy drain. To the point some very sensitive people 'know' when the obsessed person is thinking about them. If its obsessive its probably all the time. There is a lot of artificial emotion attached to this and that too is very off putting. It's even annoying because you know the person is not coming from a place of reality.

These obsessed suitors we find often have a distorted perception of us. So when they describe what they find appealing about you , you are left puzzled because they have not described you at all. They have built an ideal about you, may even put you on a pedestal, they have constructed a false (graven) image of you; unfortunately who you are is the one that gets the energy suck until one learns how to deal with such things. Espeically exhausting because they expect you fulfill this artificially constructed person they have built in their mind and imposed on you.

And we've seen friends and family do this, get obsessed with someone. You are looking at that 'someone' and see a right girt arsehole, but the other person is on bent knee singing arias to this perfection of a person. You may even observe this someone murdering kittens in broad daylight and the obsessed person will not see it, refuse or even turn it into a virtue.

We've all seen stuff like this but is really showing us somthing deeper.

That is archonic activity that happens in the unseen world mirroring itself back in the physical.

Google the word 'Tulpa' and see what one comes up with. This is a thoughtform, matter of the unseen world, that was brought to physical fullness by a individual.












All this stuff about Archons is new to me. I find it fascinating. Hell, how did that all slip past me? I thought I was pretty well educated. Anyway thanks.

This lifted from a text from some definition from somewhere;
"for by starting from the invisible world the visible world was invented." makes perfect sense to me. 'Invented' seems like the operative.
Made up. Make believe. But convincing enough so that I believed it. Do I need to continue to? Or can I change my mind?
I'm a spirit that organized for me to be here and wake up every morning believing that I'm not necessarily in control of what's going to happen next.
That's a bit weird.


I am a bit gun shy about how to properly interpret any of my experiences.
justone

My god I so relate. Try this for a sec; consider how they changed you. Not your opinions or beliefs, though they may have. But how they changed you fundamentally,
so that you experience yourself as different now than before them, or closer to the truth of you. Interesting to imagine, but play with it.
You can interpret anything and everything as nothing other than that. Really, you can. Not saying that's 'the way' or anything, but it helps me.
After I've had a coffee.

[Katari Rose]

Here is a blog I wrote about my perception of Jesus, I think it is similar to Asheanna Deanne's perspective. Of course, we share a similar background so it is to be expected :) My desire is not to convince anyone of anything, just share how it is perceived by me, thank you!

http://wp.me/p2lmRd-3k

[shadowstalker]

All this stuff about Archons is new to me. I find it fascinating. Hell, how did that all slip past me? I thought I was pretty well educated. Anyway thanks.

We all feel that way, till we learn something new then we realize how much we don't know.
Keep an open mind and keep searching for the new you, i'll bet you never knew that that person ever existed...

[Daughter of Time]

Hi Daughter of Time - apologies if I mis-communicated... sometimes posts can do that. I was a wee bit concerned that I had given an impression that I deemed all types of non phyiscal human intelligence contact as malevolent.

I had entertained that concern even recently, and so I thought perhaps you picked up on those considerations and I was clarifying where I stand on all that now.

I was really happy with your posted consideration about Yeshua perhaps an ED/human hybred as I have always considered that as a quite possible explanation.

Again, apologies if other impressions were made.

Thanks again for your posts and also your posts on the Horus-Ra thread.

Justone,

No need to apologize.

No offence taken.

Cheers!

[Chester]

Here is a blog I wrote about my perception of Jesus, I think it is similar to Asheanna Deanne's perspective. Of course, we share a similar background so it is to be expected :) My desire is not to convince anyone of anything, just share how it is perceived by me, thank you!

http://wp.me/p2lmRd-3k

Hi Katari Rose - thanks for the blog! Quite complex but I was pulled in and up rose some questions

Can you please expand on the roll Sirains have played and may still play in this saga (from your perspective).

Also, also are there more than one Sirian group and if so can you brifly cover each group?

Thanks - justoneman

[DeDukshyn]

hi JustOneMan,

Here is my quick 2 cents:

Jesus did perform most of the "miracles" of legend, they were just acts of advanced manifestations. His consciousness was evolved to the point of few before and likely none-after. When one reaches that state (or even a lesser one) of enlightenment he/she is so connected in such a way that they have access to all sorts of information and communion with "other" beings. Many of what we would call "Alien".

Jesus was the "man" -- "Christ" is in reference to the consciousness that he had access to, due to his own extremely well developed and advanced consciousness -- in another sense - he overcame his Ego -- The Christ consciousness actually spoke through him. Human biology is such that we all have this capability - Jesus said so himself and his only desire was to be able to bring that out in each of us. The "church" will tell you that this is not possible because he was "GOD" and we are "lowly man". But the words of Christ himself refute this as they refute many of the teachings of the "church".

So I would agree, he definitely had ability to draw upon sources from many places, and likely conversed with many beings invisible to our eyes - some of which we might call "aliens"

My 2 cents ;) (while keeping this as simple as possible)

[jorr lundstrom]

All this stuff about Archons is new to me. I find it fascinating. Hell, how did that all slip past me? I thought I was pretty well educated. Anyway thanks.

We all feel that way, till we learn something new then we realize how much we don't know.
Keep an open mind and keep searching for the new you, i'll bet you never knew that that person ever existed...


Im glad you stumbled into this adventure. LOL


Try this thread as a starter


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?32202-How-the-Draconians-try-to-kill-the-luminous-child


All is well


Jorr

[Chester]

Not sure if this is interesting but with all the focus on the moon stuff lately, with the Ingo Swan book brought to my attention by Amzer Zo or by observer... http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_telepathy.htm
That David Icke is now focusing on the Moon (as well as Saturn) and with the premise put forth by the authors of Who Built the Moon... well my uncle (who passed away in the early 80s - when I was perhaps 24 years old) was a friend of Alan Bean. Alan Bean was the pilot of the Lunar Landing Module for the Apollo 12 mission to the Moon, the second mission that landed on the Moon.

About 6 weeks ago, I decided to contact Mr. Bean such that he might share with me about my uncle. I was able to speak with him for a good 15 minutes and he seems like a great guy and he remembered my uncle Gil real well, etc. After a bit, I couldn't help myself from asking him about UFOs etc. His response surprised me and sort of saddened me.

He stated emphatically no and then told me that if there was any truth to any of it, the government would have informed us. Then he said, "I have to get back to my painting now," and quickly the phone call ended.

On another note but related to stories of alien abduction, when I was young and up until my early teens, I had quite a bit of nosebleeds. They occurred would occur for almost no reason. I am now 54 and have had no recurring nosebleeds since that time... until April 26th this year, starting the day after I read wynderers abduction experience thread which she mentions nosebleeds. I suddenly had three over the course of the next few days. Then they went away. And then last night I have a dream about glasses filled with diluted blood (what the blood was diluted by I do not know) but blood that later in the dream I saw coming from my own urination.

Then, just tonight right after I finished dinner and bent down to turn off a floor fan and blood started dripping from my nose.

If I have been abducted (some of you may have read my recounting of "my experience when 6 years old" thread) it is possible that the anomaly is occurring again and that the nosebleeds when I was young and the recent nosebleeds are connected.

Now, I don't know if any of this is true or simply an overactive imagination. But it is clear I have been going majorly public about my experiences the last few months and that I pretty much don't give a damn what they might try and do to me anymore.

Considering the possibility that Earth is a loosh farm which, when you read the recent posts in this very thread, my other Jesus thread and Houman's Horus-Ra thread, especially some from Amzer Zo and observer, I am pretty much on board that the speculations made have a good chance of being true.

justone

[GoingOn]

justoneman -- I admire your courage in speaking your truth publicly.

Perhaps the nosebleeds are not new abductions, not an overactive imagination, but a physical means of demonstrating you've dropped a large part of programming? It sounds odd, but maybe the physical body has a hard time releasing certain programs. Like how people often replace one physical habit (such as eating for comfort) with a different physical habit (such as having a drink of water). If this option doesn't fit for you, please discard it.

If this is de-railing the thread, as it doesn't relate directly to the stated topic, please let me know and I will attempt to remove this post.

[Chester]

justoneman -- I admire your courage in speaking your truth publicly.

Perhaps the nosebleeds are not new abductions, not an overactive imagination, but a physical means of demonstrating you've dropped a large part of programming? It sounds odd, but maybe the physical body has a hard time releasing certain programs. Like how people often replace one physical habit (such as eating for comfort) with a different physical habit (such as having a drink of water). If this option doesn't fit for you, please discard it.

If this is de-railing the thread, as it doesn't relate directly to the stated topic, please let me know and I will attempt to remove this post.

Thanks for the post... clearly your intentions are honorable. I can't wait to get regressed (May 4th). Regardless of what comes out of it - even if he discovers I am full of BS and have never been targeted by any level of the Archontic structure I will post the results. I am only in search of the truth.

I will add this - twice last week I experienced some weird heart area chest pains, I am 54 and my grandfather on my Dad's side had heart attacks starting in his 50s and one killed him at age 65.

And I don't really care. I am so ready to get outa here in so many ways but having said that, because of my recent discoveries which lead me to believe I have been targeted since I was 6 and now that I have begun to reclaim my soul, I wake up every day excited about life, excited I may see my sons or visit my wife on Skype (she is in Medellin Colombia with her daughter and we have to live apart right now)... and I am excited I am getting to the bottom of what I am pretty certain now has happened to me. And I am excited about that at a deep level of self, I likely opened myself to my experiences which means I am in no way a past victim nor if these forces continue to attempt to screw with me am I a victim in that scenario today.

Will be very interesting to see what Mark Johnson gets outa me 10 days from now.

[jorr lundstrom]

Having bred rabbits for many years (Netherland Dwarfs and Brittania Petite)

for show purpose, I can easily figure out how I should do if I were to breed

a mastergroup and a slavegroup among people. Its really quite simple if you

have some basic knowledge in genetics and knowledge in breeding techniques

ie how you combine the different specimens. When it comes to people you also

give the two groups different rules when it comes to how close relatives they are

allowed to mate with. LOL We do see now wot genes being doubled during

millenias among the elite can accomplish and how the genetically transferred

diseases are surfacing among the slaves due to by outbreeding spread

recssive genes among the slavepopulation.

One little detail, maybe a mistake was made at the end of the Middle

ages, when the nobles f"""""D the farmers daughters. That was a slip of

genes that shouldnt have been turned loose. If that hadnt happened they

would have a totally different grip over the commons today. LOL


All is well


Jorr

[Chester]

justoneman -- I admire your courage in speaking your truth publicly.

Perhaps the nosebleeds are not new abductions, not an overactive imagination, but a physical means of demonstrating you've dropped a large part of programming? It sounds odd, but maybe the physical body has a hard time releasing certain programs. Like how people often replace one physical habit (such as eating for comfort) with a different physical habit (such as having a drink of water). If this option doesn't fit for you, please discard it.

If this is de-railing the thread, as it doesn't relate directly to the stated topic, please let me know and I will attempt to remove this post.

wow - talk about synchronicity - look at the time of this post in relation to my first reply to your post, GoingOn... I replied just after I read your post to me, then decided I needed to read Truman Cash's e-book and came upon this on Page 15 -


Burt gets nose bleeds sometimes for no apparent reason. This , of
course, in itself isn ' t unusual . However, abductees very often have an
implant that i s inserted up one of their nostr i l s . Sometimes this
implant causes nosebleeds, espec ially right after it has been
installed . Burt told me that in the f a l l of 1992 he had recurring
nosebleeds over a three-day period. During this time he experienced
great apprehension , a fear of an unknown "s omething" for which he could
not ascribe a definite, plausible explanation.

[9eagle9]

Don't discount anything.

The nasal cavity is often where implants are found.

The body often times rejects them, that would be accompanied by noise bleeds.

In recalling these events as well one could set up a stigmata event where the memory imposes so much pressure as to recreate the physical event of bleeding.





Not sure if this is interesting but with all the focus on the moon stuff lately, with the Ingo Swan book brought to my attention by Amzer Zo or by observer... http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_telepathy.htm
That David Icke is now focusing on the Moon (as well as Saturn) and with the premise put forth by the authors of Who Built the Moon... well my uncle (who passed away in the early 80s - when I was perhaps 24 years old) was a friend of Alan Bean. Alan Bean was the pilot of the Lunar Landing Module for the Apollo 12 mission to the Moon, the second mission that landed on the Moon.

About 6 weeks ago, I decided to contact Mr. Bean such that he might share with me about my uncle. I was able to speak with him for a good 15 minutes and he seems like a great guy and he remembered my uncle Gil real well, etc. After a bit, I couldn't help myself from asking him about UFOs etc. His response surprised me and sort of saddened me.

He stated emphatically no and then told me that if there was any truth to any of it, the government would have informed us. Then he said, "I have to get back to my painting now," and quickly the phone call ended.

On another note but related to stories of alien abduction, when I was young and up until my early teens, I had quite a bit of nosebleeds. They occurred would occur for almost no reason. I am now 54 and have had no recurring nosebleeds since that time... until April 26th this year, starting the day after I read wynderers abduction experience thread which she mentions nosebleeds. I suddenly had three over the course of the next few days. Then they went away. And then last night I have a dream about glasses filled with diluted blood (what the blood was diluted by I do not know) but blood that later in the dream I saw coming from my own urination.

Then, just tonight right after I finished dinner and bent down to turn off a floor fan and blood started dripping from my nose.

If I have been abducted (some of you may have read my recounting of "my experience when 6 years old" thread) it is possible that the anomaly is occurring again and that the nosebleeds when I was young and the recent nosebleeds are connected.

Now, I don't know if any of this is true or simply an overactive imagination. But it is clear I have been going majorly public about my experiences the last few months and that I pretty much don't give a damn what they might try and do to me anymore.

Considering the possibility that Earth is a loosh farm which, when you read the recent posts in this very thread, my other Jesus thread and Houman's Horus-Ra thread, especially some from Amzer Zo and observer, I am pretty much on board that the speculations made have a good chance of being true.

justone

[9eagle9]

That is a program that you want to get rid of, that familial 'My grandparents, parents, aunts, uncles began to have illness' and then the program turns on in us at the right about the same time to the same date even.

My aunt had breast cancer ni the 70's so my two cousins were brought up with the obsession they'd get it to. Since young teens that's all they did was go to the doctor twice a year to get checked for ..three decades. They kept flogging me to be tested constantly and I told them to quite riding that pony because it would trot them right down cancer alley. And it did. Both of them, the same time their mother got it. INSPITE of all their precautions, they got it anyway.

I'm working with my daughter on her Strep Throat that comes in on the same date every year for the last three years, same date in June just before school let's out.

It's because she used to have to stay with her father all summer when school let out and of course has no voice in her home, she's made to be responsible for everything he says, he does, she an't say anything that will bump hm out of his comfort level (which could be anything) and it was a tremendous burden on her that results in this weird case of strep she gets every year. Its not even really strep throat; the cultures reveal nothing but all the symptoms are there and are painfully real.




justoneman -- I admire your courage in speaking your truth publicly.

Perhaps the nosebleeds are not new abductions, not an overactive imagination, but a physical means of demonstrating you've dropped a large part of programming? It sounds odd, but maybe the physical body has a hard time releasing certain programs. Like how people often replace one physical habit (such as eating for comfort) with a different physical habit (such as having a drink of water). If this option doesn't fit for you, please discard it.

If this is de-railing the thread, as it doesn't relate directly to the stated topic, please let me know and I will attempt to remove this post.

Thanks for the post... clearly your intentions are honorable. I can't wait to get regressed (May 4th). Regardless of what comes out of it - even if he discovers I am full of BS and have never been targeted by any level of the Archontic structure I will post the results. I am only in search of the truth.

I will add this - twice last week I experienced some weird heart area chest pains, I am 54 and my grandfather on my Dad's side had heart attacks starting in his 50s and one killed him at age 65.

And I don't really care. I am so ready to get outa here in so many ways but having said that, because of my recent discoveries which lead me to believe I have been targeted since I was 6 and now that I have begun to reclaim my soul, I wake up every day excited about life, excited I may see my sons or visit my wife on Skype (she is in Medellin Colombia with her daughter and we have to live apart right now)... and I am excited I am getting to the bottom of what I am pretty certain now has happened to me. And I am excited about that at a deep level of self, I likely opened myself to my experiences which means I am in no way a past victim nor if these forces continue to attempt to screw with me am I a victim in that scenario today.

Will be very interesting to see what Mark Johnson gets outa me 10 days from now.

[Lifebringer]

Just saying since you asked, I believe he came in the incarnated material body of man, to know his creation and to also find out, why in the 4,000 years since Adam, Man's mind had not spiritually developed to be closer to God. When he came and began at the age of 12 expressing His Father in Heaven's Kingdom, that the people/prophets had some of it right, but most of it wrong, as Rome Government which killed Christians for entertainment fed to lions, changed the word to fit their government and pacify the masses when they sinned against Christian God, while teaching them to worship on Sunday the 1st day of the week, the Roman and Egyptian(Cleo/Caesar) Sun God Baal. I believe Yeshua/Jesus learning all the misinformation, then went around the world, correcting and unifying them all to make the body of Christ/Kingdom of God on Earth prepared for His return, after resurrection of the 144,000 during man's self-rule of 6,000 years. I believe His Spirit/God Spirit is Supreme and that this is the process for all planets/schools of life on all planets of created matter worlds, until the evolved spiritual mind and resurrection of their God Son in whatever Universe the creation is made. I believe there are many, many planets/schools of Life for experience for every immortal soul to progress closer to God.

In His travels He often had to correct the apostle's thought on the Father in Heaven's Kingdom, because NO man could speak of it, unless they were as Enoch, John who wrote Revelation and others who were taken there via "Angelic" intervention on behalf of God. Many did not know that Noah was albino and birthed 3 races of human kind and the wars we face now are the same two brothers through Abraham's Sarah and the maid/hand servant/Christianity/Islam, when combined will have a more profound effect on conscious. The sounds of Islam in song, the sounds of the Jewish Tora in song, and the Sounds of the Worldwide Church of God, before they too fell back to worship on Sunday was bringing this vibration and man into evolvement but at a much slower pace because it is all, AS GOD IS ALL. The old Testament was changed and when Christ found this out, He set about correcting it, and was crucified for it because on their Sunday worship days in Rome, they exchanged commerce as if on any other day of the week. This is a NO No as the 1st commandment and connection to His people is to honor the Sabbath.
The spirit of the 7 churches is about to be read, and the chastisement to repent of this, and be humble after the 7th seal is opened. Six Seals are already opened.
May I recommend the books "Prophesied End-Times" by Ronald Weinland and also "2008 God's Final Witnesses?"
Very enlightening.
Just saying.

[Mu2143]

Ronald Weinland Don't follow this guy Bad IDEA

[Chester]

Howdy Folks... justone here with the Theory O' the Day

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit&p=495772&viewfull=1#post495772

had to post the link in honor of the "no duplicate post" rule

enjoy

[Chester]

The spirit of the 7 churches is about to be read, and the chastisement to repent of this, and be humble after the 7th seal is opened. Six Seals are already opened.
May I recommend the books "Prophesied End-Times" by Ronald Weinland and also "2008 God's Final Witnesses?"
Very enlightening.
Just saying.

Please check out the opening post in this thread and the OP's request... this post would be better off in the following thread -

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?45250-Jesus-the-man-JESUS-the-Archon----inspired-by-Houman--s-Horus-Ra-thread

Thanks - just reminding because we, in fact, asked the opposite.

[9eagle9]

I had a Netherland 'dwarf' .

Dwarf my arse. It was fully three feet long when full grown, and evil. Utterly evil. I kept very good care of it (not that it cared) and decided that rabbits only live a few years so I could tolerate it that long. It lived to be 14 years old. 14 years of brooding plotting evil where there wasn't a wall or wire in the house that hadn't been chewed.

It is exceeded in malicious legend by my best friends Netherland 'dwarf' another monstrously long and malignant bunny, that ate my purse, and lunged out from behind a commode when I was using it, sinking its teeth into my bare calves,sending me shrieking bloody murder into a poker party with my pants around my ankles. My friend sent it to live outside after it savaged her Labradors. Animal control picked up for breaking into someone's garage where it menaced the home owner who attempted to remove it from it's new territory

Rabbits are ****ing dangerous.

Get chickens. I don't want to have word one day that you died and were eaten by evil bunnies.



Having bred rabbits for many years (Netherland Dwarfs and Brittania Petite)

for show purpose, I can easily figure out how I should do if I were to breed

a mastergroup and a slavegroup among people. Its really quite simple if you

have some basic knowledge in genetics and knowledge in breeding techniques

ie how you combine the different specimens. When it comes to people you also

give the two groups different rules when it comes to how close relatives they are

allowed to mate with. LOL We do see now wot genes being doubled during

millenias among the elite can accomplish and how the genetically transferred

diseases are surfacing among the slaves due to by outbreeding spread

recssive genes among the slavepopulation.

One little detail, maybe a mistake was made at the end of the Middle

ages, when the nobles f"""""D the farmers daughters. That was a slip of

genes that shouldnt have been turned loose. If that hadnt happened they

would have a totally different grip over the commons today. LOL


All is well


Jorr

[jorr lundstrom]

I had a Netherland 'dwarf' .

Dwarf my arse. It was fully three feet long when full grown, and evil. Utterly evil. I kept very good care of it (not that it cared) and decided that rabbits only live a few years so I could tolerate it that long. It lived to be 14 years old. 14 years of brooding plotting evil where there wasn't a wall or wire in the house that hadn't been chewed.

It is exceeded in malicious legend by my best friends Netherland 'dwarf' another monstrously long and malignant bunny, that ate my purse, and lunged out from behind a commode when I was using it, sinking its teeth into my bare calves,sending me shrieking bloody murder into a poker party with my pants around my ankles. My friend sent it to live outside after it savaged her Labradors. Animal control picked up for breaking into someone's garage where it menaced the home owner who attempted to remove it from it's new territory

Rabbits are ****ing dangerous.

Get chickens. I don't want to have word one day that you died and were eaten by evil bunnies.



Having bred rabbits for many years (Netherland Dwarfs and Brittania Petite)

for show purpose, I can easily figure out how I should do if I were to breed

a mastergroup and a slavegroup among people. Its really quite simple if you

have some basic knowledge in genetics and knowledge in breeding techniques

ie how you combine the different specimens. When it comes to people you also

give the two groups different rules when it comes to how close relatives they are

allowed to mate with. LOL We do see now wot genes being doubled during

millenias among the elite can accomplish and how the genetically transferred

diseases are surfacing among the slaves due to by outbreeding spread

recssive genes among the slavepopulation.

One little detail, maybe a mistake was made at the end of the Middle

ages, when the nobles f"""""D the farmers daughters. That was a slip of

genes that shouldnt have been turned loose. If that hadnt happened they

would have a totally different grip over the commons today. LOL


All is well


Jorr


Lol. After I had won wot could be won here in Sweden and Finland

on Rabbit exhibitions I stopped raising rabbits for shows. That was

some years ago. Now we have some French lops, only for meat

production. We do have some Orpington chickens too, for eggs

and meat. And every sane human knows rabbits are dangerous,

very dangerous. LOL



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcxKIJTb3Hg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcxKIJTb3Hg


All is well


Jorr

[markpierre]

I had a Netherland 'dwarf' .

Dwarf my arse. It was fully three feet long when full grown, and evil. Utterly evil. I kept very good care of it (not that it cared) and decided that rabbits only live a few years so I could tolerate it that long. It lived to be 14 years old. 14 years of brooding plotting evil where there wasn't a wall or wire in the house that hadn't been chewed.

It is exceeded in malicious legend by my best friends Netherland 'dwarf' another monstrously long and malignant bunny, that ate my purse, and lunged out from behind a commode when I was using it, sinking its teeth into my bare calves,sending me shrieking bloody murder into a poker party with my pants around my ankles. My friend sent it to live outside after it savaged her Labradors. Animal control picked up for breaking into someone's garage where it menaced the home owner who attempted to remove it from it's new territory

Rabbits are ****ing dangerous.

Get chickens. I don't want to have word one day that you died and were eaten by evil bunnies.



My god, you really brought that story to life. It was like a wtf chapter in a Richard Brautigan novel.

Ckickens have a dark side as well.

Sorry. The guy with the off-topic stick just walked by.

[heyokah]

I had a Netherland 'dwarf' .

Dwarf my arse. It was fully three feet long when full grown, and evil. Utterly evil. I kept very good care of it (not that it cared) and decided that rabbits only live a few years so I could tolerate it that long. It lived to be 14 years old. 14 years of brooding plotting evil where there wasn't a wall or wire in the house that hadn't been chewed.....................





Well, that's how we Dutch are ....

[jorr lundstrom]

I had a Netherland 'dwarf' .

Dwarf my arse. It was fully three feet long when full grown, and evil. Utterly evil. I kept very good care of it (not that it cared) and decided that rabbits only live a few years so I could tolerate it that long. It lived to be 14 years old. 14 years of brooding plotting evil where there wasn't a wall or wire in the house that hadn't been chewed.

It is exceeded in malicious legend by my best friends Netherland 'dwarf' another monstrously long and malignant bunny, that ate my purse, and lunged out from behind a commode when I was using it, sinking its teeth into my bare calves,sending me shrieking bloody murder into a poker party with my pants around my ankles. My friend sent it to live outside after it savaged her Labradors. Animal control picked up for breaking into someone's garage where it menaced the home owner who attempted to remove it from it's new territory

Rabbits are ****ing dangerous.

Get chickens. I don't want to have word one day that you died and were eaten by evil bunnies.



My god, you really brought that story to life. It was like a wtf chapter in a Richard Brautigan novel.

Ckickens have a dark side as well.

Sorry. The guy with the off-topic stick just walked by.


Maybe we could start a thread on psychopets. LOL


http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt81/sakasvattaja/UglyDog.jpg


Ooops, the guy with the off topic sign again.


All is well


Jorr

[9eagle9]

And the rest of the world thought you were just nice people who danced in wooden shoes and grew tulips.



I had a Netherland 'dwarf' .

Dwarf my arse. It was fully three feet long when full grown, and evil. Utterly evil. I kept very good care of it (not that it cared) and decided that rabbits only live a few years so I could tolerate it that long. It lived to be 14 years old. 14 years of brooding plotting evil where there wasn't a wall or wire in the house that hadn't been chewed.....................





Well, that's how we Dutch are ....

[heyokah]

And the rest of the world thought you were just nice people who danced in wooden shoes and grew tulips.



I had a Netherland 'dwarf' .

Dwarf my arse. It was fully three feet long when full grown, and evil. Utterly evil. I kept very good care of it (not that it cared) and decided that rabbits only live a few years so I could tolerate it that long. It lived to be 14 years old. 14 years of brooding plotting evil where there wasn't a wall or wire in the house that hadn't been chewed.....................





Well, that's how we Dutch are ....

That's all an archontic act.

We kick hard with those wooden shoes.
And a tulip in your eye can cause blindness for ever..... :nod:

[Chester]

I had a Netherland 'dwarf' .

Dwarf my arse. It was fully three feet long when full grown, and evil. Utterly evil. I kept very good care of it (not that it cared) and decided that rabbits only live a few years so I could tolerate it that long. It lived to be 14 years old. 14 years of brooding plotting evil where there wasn't a wall or wire in the house that hadn't been chewed.....................





Well, that's how we Dutch are ....

Hi - I spent 10 awesome years on the island of Curacao, part of the kingdom of the Netherlands, and have tons of Dutch friends. Also, been lucky to have traveled to Holland several times and would say Amsterdam is my favorite city on earth. Thanks for posting on our threads! take care, justone

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I had a Netherland 'dwarf' .

Dwarf my arse. It was fully three feet long when full grown, and evil. Utterly evil. I kept very good care of it (not that it cared) and decided that rabbits only live a few years so I could tolerate it that long. It lived to be 14 years old. 14 years of brooding plotting evil where there wasn't a wall or wire in the house that hadn't been chewed.

It is exceeded in malicious legend by my best friends Netherland 'dwarf' another monstrously long and malignant bunny, that ate my purse, and lunged out from behind a commode when I was using it, sinking its teeth into my bare calves,sending me shrieking bloody murder into a poker party with my pants around my ankles. My friend sent it to live outside after it savaged her Labradors. Animal control picked up for breaking into someone's garage where it menaced the home owner who attempted to remove it from it's new territory

Rabbits are ****ing dangerous.

Get chickens. I don't want to have word one day that you died and were eaten by evil bunnies.



My god, you really brought that story to life. It was like a wtf chapter in a Richard Brautigan novel.

Ckickens have a dark side as well.

Sorry. The guy with the off-topic stick just walked by.


Maybe we could start a thread on psychopets. LOL


http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt81/sakasvattaja/UglyDog.jpg


Ooops, the guy with the off topic sign again.


All is well


Jorr

why do we need a separate thread when we have a few here already? ;)

[seigiarchon]

One can instantly vanish any karma one may think one and their lineage possess if one wants to, all one has to do is shed the programming.

just some food for thought, where does the real you end and the programming begin. And who is it that programed you?

The archons?
The government?
your parents?
TV?
the food you eat?
The members of this forum?
Yourself?

perhaps "shedding your programing" is more difficult a task than anything john chang can do.



One can instantly vanish any karma one may think one and their lineage possess if one wants to, all one has to do is shed the programming.

just some food for thought, where does the real you end and the programming begin. And who is it that programed you?

The archons?
The government?
your parents?
TV?
the food you eat?
The members of this forum?
Yourself?

perhaps "shedding your programing" is more difficult a task than anything john chang can do.

I used to be a smoker for about 5 years and during the last 3 years of my smoking history, I fought an on-and-off battle where I would quit smoking for one or two days then pick up a cigarette again or two and then express the desire to quit smoking again only to pick up the habit a week later.

The battle to quit the smoking addiction took me three years of my life and I would quit and smoke again and quit and smoke again.

But I am glad to say that the last cigarette I touched was about 12 years ago and I have never ever touched a cigarette since.

I believe that the programming can be erased and altered but it is only by going within then can one erase or alter the programming.

Carlos Castaneda said that the "flyers" in us can only be shook off by rigorous applications of "cold discipline".

[seigiarchon]

That is why I react when someone defends (because of reverence for ancient traditions of secrecy) the white secret societies. If the word secret is in the mix - someone has been held out and those who are in on the secret are in a conspiracy of sorts and the ones outside of the secret miss the boat.

Secrecy in any form is complicit in solidifying the walls between the two ends of the supernatural spectrum that has humanity locked in the prison and humanity has its own responsibility in creating and maintaining the walls.

My suggestion is that humanity tear down the walls and meet the supernatural (spirit world) on equal ground and look the supernatural world eyeball to eyeball. In that way we can reverse the direction the extremes of the supernatural world are taking (which is extending away from humanity) and we can then stop being the food supply for this world and start being equals within creation.

Easy to say, hard to do (at least hard for just this one human).

Justone , where did you come from? LOL!

I have always maintained that the so-called "white" occult societies are just as much tyrants and dictators as the "black" occult societies.

Of course some members of the "white" occult societies claim that they preserve the secrecy of their spiritual secrets because the "black" occult societies wanna destroy them.

And then when you ask these "white" occult societies why don't you fight back? The masters of these "white" occult societies claim they do not wanna incur additional karma by engaging themselves in senseless violence.

Which is total bs btw.

The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.

There has been a lot of evil committed throughout the last few thousand years. Because a lot of good men with the power to fight evil prefer to remain in the shadows and keep quiet so that trouble will not bother them.

But by keeping quiet and keeping away from trouble, these good men are just as complicit in the troubles of this world as the "black" occultists.

Mind you, there are thousands and thousands of "white" sorcerers in this world and many of them have the material and spiritual resources (read: millionaire/billionaire wealthy and spiritually powerful) to fight evil but they prefer to keep their power for themselves and their followers.

Or should I say these "white" societies of sorcerers are only interested in gaining power for themselves while ignoring the plights of the less fortunate humans on this world.

So this is why I say there are no saviors to save humanity. Humanity is on its own.

[Chester]

Mind you, there are thousands and thousands of "white" sorcerers in this world and many of them have the material and spiritual resources (read: millionaire/billionaire wealthy and spiritually powerful) to fight evil but they prefer to keep their power for themselves and their followers.

Or should I say these "white" societies of sorcerers are only interested in gaining power for themselves while ignoring the plights of the less fortunate humans on this world.

So this is why I say there are no saviors to save humanity. Humanity is on its own.

my opinion only - I heavily lean to your last sentence as sadly true -

another opinion - I saw both black magic and white magic as the same thing long ago with a slight difference... intentional magic directed towards another spirit being such that that being is not in full awareness and full agreement as to the hoped for result of the magical act is all black magic and having said that, at least those who are admitted black magicians that perform a magical act are at least being honest about what they are doing, whereas a so called "white magician" is by far the more evil one for the following reasons, they assume their imposition upon another is "good" and thus that is their justification. They then usually place themselves upon a pedestal and/or their follower minions do so - its generally a mutually created process. They further enforce the "you can't but I (the exalted magician) can" falsehood. They usually believe their own BS so are not only caught up in deceiving others but are caught up in self deception, the most dangerous form of deception.

So I have zero respect for self professed "white" magicians as they are simply black magicians in disguise - again, this is only my opinion.

We are all spiritual beings experiencing the material world through our physicality (and all the other bodies we are aware of or not so aware of). It is by this very nature of what we are that we are magical beings as well. And this is where the word "magical" can all but disappear and that is when one rests in the truth of their being and becomes genuine. No more lying to others nor to the self as to how even the slightest thought is essentially the casting of magic. In my awareness of this possibility, I have come upon (perhaps) the fact of personal responsibility. I never meet my expectations of what it means to uphold 100% my responsibility, perhaps one day I will come close.

Thanks for the inspiration to type a bunch of words... maybe they may make sense to someone... maybe when I read them again later on, they might make sense to me.

justone

[9eagle9]

right there is where the service to others and service to self lines are blurred

A phenom I noticed when so many self proclaimed lightworkers began imposing their energy on me regardless if they wanted it or not. It doesn't suffice to say 'no thanks' they impose their density on you anyway. If you tell them their energy is unwanted they are offended not understanding the concept that they don't own energy and its not something that is doled out by their discretion. When you give their energy back to them, and they see how dense it is they accuse you of psychically attacking them.

I do have some evilly fond memories of lightworkers attempting to make an example of me in public.