David Wilcock's False Predictions

[Unified Serenity]

Ok, rather than derail the Drake update thread over DW's false predictions, let's argue about them here. Some think DW is the next best guru on planet Earth and others, like myself, think he's making a buck on hopium and makes a lot of false predictions then comes up with not so clever excuses when things don't pan out. So, here is a list I am compiling, feel free to add your list of false prophecy or predictions:

In 2010, predicts that President Obama will attempt to reveal the existence of aliens and alien technologies this year. He says it’ll be a two-hour prime time special, in which a human-like off world entity will be introduced. http://the2012deception.net/?p=222

ATS has a thread that says Wilcock said by the end of 2009 we would have full disclosure of aliens. http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread546507/pg1

His predictions for “ascension” to occur in the year 2000 http://the2012deception.net/?p=222

So, DW also predicts Obama is going to turn the tables on the NWO. Well, he seems to be signing Executive Orders and planning wars with them. Just how much does he have to do to continue their plan before those who support DW realize that it's a lie. Obama is NOT going to stop the evil elites. He hates America and is doing all he can to help drive us further into demise economically and socially. DW support obama, and that is enough for me to know DW's sources suck.

[RMorgan]

Hi US,

I think it´s time for all of us to move on and make things clear about this man.

Here´s a cache based copy of his older website, called ascension2000.com, as available in 17:23:12 May 8, 1999:

http://web.archive.org/web/19990508172312/http://www.ascension2000.com/

This is what he was saying about ascension, back in 1999. Looks familiar? ;)

"Dedicated to the Single Greatest Moment of All Time,

Now Within One Year of Arrival - Getting Excited?"

"ET's Note: Things might not look very good to you right now. Turn off the TV - you are not going crazy. Take a walk outside. The world is not going to end - it is going to begin. Relax. God is in charge. Get up out of that chair, crank up the music and let's dance our way into the Ascension. You want to be standing up when this happens"

In the above website, he didn´t say a "single word about 2012, yet he stated that 2039 is going to be a big year. He also stated that Saddam was to blame for the 9/11 attacks and that he was the third antichrist predicted by Nostradamus .... After all of his predictions failed he just changed the name of his site to divinecosmos, deleted all his old pages and changed his look by shaving off his beard and dying his hair blonde." http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1478364/pg2

I´m so sorry for keep hitting the same key over and over again, but it´s really time to move on. This man is a scam artist.

He tried to completely erase his previous history and claims, but once things are on the internet, they will always remain available, thanks to websites like web.archive.org

He´s on the ascension business for more than 15 years.

Regards,

Raf.

PS: He was also all over the Elenin fiasco, along with his pal Richard Hoagland. It´s all recorded here at PA.

[sirdipswitch]

No argument from me. I think you're right. I quit listening to him many years ago.

love and peace
sirdipswitch

[Whiskey_Mystic]

RMorgan,

I did not know this. Thank you for posting.

[Carmody]

Hi US,

I think it´s time for all of us to move on and make things clear about this man.

Here´s a cache based copy of his older website, called ascension2000.com:

http://web.archive.org/web/19990508172312/http://www.ascension2000.com/

This is what he was saying about ascension, back in 1999. Looks familiar? ;)

"ET's Note: Things might not look very good to you right now. Turn off the TV - you are not going crazy. Take a walk outside. The world is not going to end - it is going to begin. Relax. God is in charge. Get up out of that chair, crank up the music and let's dance our way into the Ascension. You want to be standing up when this "

In the above website, he didn´t say a "single word about 2012, yet he stated that 2039 is going to be a big year. He also stated that Saddam was to blame for the 9/11 attacks and that he was the third antichrist predicted by Nostradamus .... After all of his predictions failed he just changed the name of his site to divinecosmos, deleted all his old pages and changed his look by shaving off his beard and dying his hair blonde." http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1478364/pg2

I´m so sorry for keep hitting the same key over and over again, but it´s really time to move on. This man is a scam artist.

He tried to completely erase his previous history and claims, but once things are on the internet, they will always remain available, thanks to websites like web.archive.org

He´s on the ascension business for more than 15 years.

Regards,

Raf.

PS: He was also all over the Elenin fiasco, along with his pal Richard Hoagland. It´s all recorded here at PA.

If you are going to malign him, keep in mind that his most recent book is a very serious bit of work, that is near flawless.

(edit) flawless in the fact that it reaches people,and is widely read and widely distributed. That it has details of things..things that people, in general, need to read.)

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I've been asked to edit this post. So I will. And I have.

I'm seriously tired of this.

This thread starting... by people who are seemingly angry and seem to possess no balance, just anger and attack.

[RMorgan]

If you are going to malign him, keep in mind that his most recent book is a very serious bit of work, that is near flawless.

Say what you want but don't say he's a farce, UNLESS you state that his latest book, the source field is an excellent and near landmark bit of work.

Seriously.

for if you do not I WILL follow you around and slam you on this at every opportunity.

Balance yourself, sir, Or I will do it for you.

At every embarrassing opportunity possible, if necessary.

Simply as you are on a forum.... that is shared.

Hey mate,

I´m showing data and facts.

I´m not inventing anything.

I didn´t manipulate this info in any way.

I´m presenting the info that David himself made available.

If you want to follow me around, feel free to do so.

Since I´m just a regular guy who´s searching for the truth, you´ll just waste your time, because I´m not claiming anything extraordinary or trying to be a guru of any sort.

Anyway, I´ll never read a book written by a man who is proved to be a liar and manipulator, who makes a living by fooling goodhearted people.

These are not the sort of books I like to read anyway; I prefer the literature classics, mostly the Russians and Brazilian writers.

You must be out of your mind to threaten me like you did, sir. As hard as I try, I don´t see any feasible possibility for you to interfere in my life in any way.

Regards,

Rafael.

[Rocky_Shorz]

he's an entertainer, and tries to expand minds into the possibilities beyond black and white...

fear is an adrenalin builder and as it builds it opens other gifts, a sort of awakening of senses...

hard to sleep when your heart is pounding and you are on the edge of your chair...

how many horror movies have you known what is coming and you are trying to psychically connect to a screen actor to warn them of danger without saying a word...

it isn't something you need to think about, it is part of all of us...

knowing that you are doing it, is the awakening... ;)

[K626]

Hi US,

I think it´s time for all of us to move on and make things clear about this man.

Here´s a cache based copy of his older website, called ascension2000.com:

http://web.archive.org/web/19990508172312/http://www.ascension2000.com/

This is what he was saying about ascension, back in 1999. Looks familiar? ;)

"ET's Note: Things might not look very good to you right now. Turn off the TV - you are not going crazy. Take a walk outside. The world is not going to end - it is going to begin. Relax. God is in charge. Get up out of that chair, crank up the music and let's dance our way into the Ascension. You want to be standing up when this "

In the above website, he didn´t say a "single word about 2012, yet he stated that 2039 is going to be a big year. He also stated that Saddam was to blame for the 9/11 attacks and that he was the third antichrist predicted by Nostradamus .... After all of his predictions failed he just changed the name of his site to divinecosmos, deleted all his old pages and changed his look by shaving off his beard and dying his hair blonde." http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1478364/pg2

I´m so sorry for keep hitting the same key over and over again, but it´s really time to move on. This man is a scam artist.

He tried to completely erase his previous history and claims, but once things are on the internet, they will always remain available, thanks to websites like web.archive.org

He´s on the ascension business for more than 15 years.

Regards,

Raf.

PS: He was also all over the Elenin fiasco, along with his pal Richard Hoagland. It´s all recorded here at PA.

If you are going to malign him, keep in mind that his most recent book is a very serious bit of work, that is near flawless.

Say what you want but don't say he's a farce, UNLESS you state that his latest book, the source field is an excellent and near landmark bit of work.

Seriously.

for if you do not I WILL follow you around and slam you on this at every opportunity.

Balance yourself, sir, Or I will do it for you.

At every embarrassing opportunity possible, if necessary.

Simply as you are on a forum.... that is shared.

That's rather a harsh approach Karmamody me ole mucker. :)

peace

K

[ThePythonicCow]

I´m showing data and facts.
...
Anyway, I´ll never read a book written by a man who is proved to be a liar and manipulator, who makes a living by fooling goodhearted people.

I didn't read Carmody as disputing what you posted, but rather as saying that there is a balancing observation, that Wilcock's latest book is damn good.

I too would not have read Wilcock's latest book, "The Source Field Investigations" (http://amzn.com/0525952047), for similar reasons as yours. But Carmody kept recommending it ... I'm now half way through :).

[K626]

I´m showing data and facts.
...
Anyway, I´ll never read a book written by a man who is proved to be a liar and manipulator, who makes a living by fooling goodhearted people.

I didn't read Carmody as disputing what you posted, but rather as saying that there is a balancing observation, that Wilcock's latest book is damn good.

I too would not have read Wilcock's latest book, "The Source Field Investigations" (http://amzn.com/0525952047), for similar reasons as yours. But Carmody kept recommending it ... I'm now half way through :).

Heard good things about this book. I know you're a bit of a technical thinker Paul, so let us know what you think of it when you've finished fella. :)

Peace

K

[danceblackcatdance]

The source field book is totally great... as for 'predictions', if we believe that timelines are not fixed but fluid and exist only in potential, how can anyone be expected to make any that are 100% accurate... :)

[ulli]

If you are going to malign him, keep in mind that his most recent book is a very serious bit of work, that is near flawless.

Say what you want but don't say he's a farce, UNLESS you state that his latest book, the source field is an excellent and near landmark bit of work.

Seriously.

for if you do not I WILL follow you around and slam you on this at every opportunity.

Balance yourself, sir, Or I will do it for you.

At every embarrassing opportunity possible, if necessary.

Simply as you are on a forum.... that is shared.

Hey mate,

I´m showing data and facts.

I´m not inventing anything.

I didn´t manipulate this info in any way.

I´m presenting the info that David himself made available.

If you want to follow me around, feel free to do so.

Since I´m just a regular guy who´s searching for the truth, you´ll just waste your time, because I´m not claiming anything extraordinary or trying to be a guru of any sort.

Anyway, I´ll never read a book written by a man who is proved to be a liar and manipulator, who makes a living by fooling goodhearted people.

These are not the sort of books I like to read anyway; I prefer the literature classics, mostly the Russians and Brazilian writers.

You must be out of your mind to threaten me like you did, sir. As hard as I try, I don´t see any feasible possibility for you to interfere in my life in any way.

Regards,

Rafael.

That was no threat, that was a promise.
Something to be grateful about.
I wouldn't mind someone of Carmody's caliber looking out for me like that...

We all can get stuck in unnecessary hostilities...

[Earth Angel]

yet another negative thread of lets point out who was wrong again.......nothing ventured nothing gained, and yes even a stopped clock can be right twice a day but still lets not rip the man apart....... Nostradamus was often wrong, but was he really wrong or did our collective consciousness change the outcome of what he saw??

I should add that I am not a real fan of David Wilcock, as a person I don't find him likeable....but I feel he is truly trying to do some good. We could also start a thread on how many times Drake , Bill Broabrader, Ben Fulford and many others were wrong....but how often are they right at the time of a prediction but things get changed?? and how would we know.

[RMorgan]

That was no threat, that was a promise.
Something to be grateful about.
I wouldn't mind someone of Carmody's caliber looking out for me like that...

We all can get stuck in unnecessary hostilities...

Hey ulli,

"for if you do not I WILL follow you around and slam you on this at every opportunity."

slam 1 (slm)
v. slammed, slam·ming, slams
v.tr.
1. To shut with force and loud noise: slammed the door.
2. To put, throw, or otherwise forcefully move so as to produce a loud noise: slammed the book on the desk.
3. To hit or strike with great force.
4. Slang To criticize harshly; censure forcefully.
v.intr.
1. To close or swing into place with force so as to produce a loud noise.
2. To hit something with force; crash: slammed into a truck.

Well, despite actually loving the English language, it´s not my mother tongue, so I might be wrong, but it looks like a threat to me.

Anyway, I don´t care. I´m a honest man and have nothing to fear.

Besides, I´m not judging his book, since I haven´t read it. One can be an engineer/lawyer/serial killer/priest/plumber/scam artist/whatever and still write a terrific book.

I´m showing proof that the way David Wilcock presents himself to the alternative community is indeed false; nothing more than that.

Cheers,

Raf.

[we-R-one]

David's book is a great piece of work! I don't get into the prediction aspect of his career. No "guru" is going to be perfect and like us, they are evolving into who they will be in the future. I'm sure many guru's have written books only years later to wish they would have known then what they know now. I think the best thing to do is take whatever piece of their work resonates with you the most, and dump the rest. I tend to focus on the science aspect of what David has presented as it's verifiable. He's brought several studies to the forefront supporting the existence of a Sourcefield, which I think are substantial. It's much easier to share the information with someone when I can give them verifiable science to back what I'm saying. The existence of Sourcefield was key for me as I've been accessing it since I was a young child, but at the time I didn't know how I was doing what I was doing because I didn't have the vocabulary or science background to validate what I all ready knew existed. I would not have been aware of these studies had he not compiled them in the manner in which he has via his latest book, so for this I'm quite grateful. I wish he got more credit for this aspect. People are human and no one is going to be perfect. The days of finding a messiah are over. The messiah lies in each individual, so you have to take the good of what every person has to offer and throw out the rest that doesn't apply.

[kevlar]

In the above website, he didn´t say a "single word about 2012

What about this ?

"This was definitely part of the reason why Wilcock assumed that the regular Mayan Calendar dating system was wrong. But perhaps our readers are still not satisfied that this represents a problem. We could defend the 2012 date by saying that since both Egyptian and Mayan cultures were isolated from each other, one hand didn’t know what the other was doing. Therefore, one might not assume that the Egyptians would have access to the same data as the Maya. Yet, both cultures built pyramids and mummified their dead, and seaworthy sailing ships were recently discovered to be perfectly preserved and buried in the "boat pits" surrounding the Great Pyramid. Thus, the cultural similarities, of which there are many, might very well have been no accident, but a product of Egyptians making direct contact with the Mayans by sailing overseas. Many good books have been written to solidify this conclusion.

With the incredible precision of the Mayan Calendar and its correct measurement of the solar / precessional cycle harmonic in years, and the incredible precision of the Great Pyramid, the most enigmatic object on the face of the planet, one must seriously consider a common link. Yet, when we take the two puzzle pieces, being the timelines, and slam them together, one thing remains clear. Something is wrong; the puzzle pieces don’t seem to fit. No special attention seems to be given to the 2012 date, almost as if the denouement of events had occurred prior to that time, and the date was also overshadowed by events that occurred thereafter."

http://web.archive.org/web/19991002141132/http://www.ascension2000.com/Convergence/9906.html


love kevlar

[Camilo]

Predictions are only possibilities/probabilities, but events are constantly changing as well the mass consciousness continuously changes, changing the possibilities/probabilities. If the mass consciousness remained stagnant, perhaps the predictions would occur as predicted.

[RMorgan]

In the above website, he didn´t say a "single word about 2012

What about this ?

"This was definitely part of the reason why Wilcock assumed that the regular Mayan Calendar dating system was wrong. But perhaps our readers are still not satisfied that this represents a problem. We could defend the 2012 date by saying that since both Egyptian and Mayan cultures were isolated from each other, one hand didn’t know what the other was doing. Therefore, one might not assume that the Egyptians would have access to the same data as the Maya. Yet, both cultures built pyramids and mummified their dead, and seaworthy sailing ships were recently discovered to be perfectly preserved and buried in the "boat pits" surrounding the Great Pyramid. Thus, the cultural similarities, of which there are many, might very well have been no accident, but a product of Egyptians making direct contact with the Mayans by sailing overseas. Many good books have been written to solidify this conclusion.

With the incredible precision of the Mayan Calendar and its correct measurement of the solar / precessional cycle harmonic in years, and the incredible precision of the Great Pyramid, the most enigmatic object on the face of the planet, one must seriously consider a common link. Yet, when we take the two puzzle pieces, being the timelines, and slam them together, one thing remains clear. Something is wrong; the puzzle pieces don’t seem to fit. No special attention seems to be given to the 2012 date, almost as if the denouement of events had occurred prior to that time, and the date was also overshadowed by events that occurred thereafter."

http://web.archive.org/web/19991002141132/http://www.ascension2000.com/Convergence/9906.html


love kevlar

Nice find mate,

Like I said, I´ve just collected data, in this case, from here:

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1478364/pg2

"not a single word about 2012, yet he stated that 2039 is going to be a big year. He also stated that Saddam was to blame for the 9/11 attacks and that he was the third antichrist predicted by Nostradamus .... After all of his predictions failed he just changed the name of his site to divinecosmos, deleted all his old pages and changed his look by shaving off his beard and dying his hair blonde ... Anyone who doesn't agree with him is branded a 'paid government shill' by his bullying mods ... at least Giorgo from Ancient Aliens has a sense of humour, he didn't mind at all when Southpark parodied him, can you imagine the epic hissy fit that would have ensued if they had tried to parody wilcock? He has all the characteristics of a deluded cult leader, although I'm embarrased to admit I once bought into him as well < insert major palm face > ...."

Cheers,

Raf.

[ulli]

That was no threat, that was a promise.
Something to be grateful about.
I wouldn't mind someone of Carmody's caliber looking out for me like that...

We all can get stuck in unnecessary hostilities...

Hey ulli,

"for if you do not I WILL follow you around and slam you on this at every opportunity."

slam 1 (slm)
v. slammed, slam·ming, slams
v.tr.
1. To shut with force and loud noise: slammed the door.
2. To put, throw, or otherwise forcefully move so as to produce a loud noise: slammed the book on the desk.
3. To hit or strike with great force.
4. Slang To criticize harshly; censure forcefully.
v.intr.
1. To close or swing into place with force so as to produce a loud noise.
2. To hit something with force; crash: slammed into a truck.

Well, despite actually loving the English language, it´s not my mother tongue, so I might be wrong, but it looks like a threat to me.

Anyway, I don´t care. I´m a honest man and have nothing to fear.

Besides, I´m not judging his book, since I haven´t read it. One can be an engineer/lawyer/serial killer/priest/plumber/scam artist/whatever and still write a terrific book.

I´m showing proof that the way David Wilcock presents himself to the alternative community is indeed false; nothing more than that.

Cheers,

Raf.

False is a strong word, too.
Like "slamming" it can lend itself to be interpreted in a variety of ways.

Until or unless you have evidence that David Wilcock is conspiring with an ill-intended elite to scam humanity with these alleged falsehoods
and take us all deeper into delusional states you can't really be sure, can you?
It is still possible that he is doing the only thing he can do.
After all, he is a Pisces and always has one foot in the other dimension where hard facts are not easy to come by.

It's just a matter of opening the mind a bit and allowing....allowing... allowing...
No harm done.

[PurpleLama]

Ok, I bought four copies of SFI, and gave three of them away. I've read tons of his chanelled material, and the law of one, etc, etc. I also understand that by reporting dubious claims from, he has gone a long way to compromise his own polarity. His predictions based on the law of one, or his own spiritual source, must be discerned, especially according to the law of one. Dates and time do not translate so well, we want specifics when all they can see are "vortices of probability". Aside from harvest, or ascension, the lion share of his predictions and information are coming from his insider sources, so to speak, and there has been little quality information passed along with vast amounts of disinfo, IMO. His book was excellent, the information was mostly not new, but never has the info been put together, tied together, and so well publicised. I don't see any value in following him like some guru, but likewise I see no profit in bashing him at every turn. Everybody will figure out what's what for themselves, at their own pace.

[RMorgan]

Predictions are only possibilities/probabilities, but events are constantly changing as well the mass consciousness continuously changes, changing the possibilities/probabilities. If the mass consciousness remained stagnant, perhaps the predictions would occur as predicted.

I agree Camilo,

However, I must say that predictions can cause a lot of damage.

History proves that many people have committed all sorts of stupidity based on predictions, including suicide.

Wilcock, for instance, when insisting in keep publishing materials that lead people to conformity, like he latest did with the "mass arrests" story, causes a lot of damage.

Whenever someone says something like "God is in charge. Get up out of that chair, crank up the music and let's dance our way into the Ascension", like he did back in the late nineties and still doing in several of his articles today, he´s filling people with false hope, which later leads to deception.

This attitude leads people into conformism, instead of pro-activism.

Raf.




False is a strong word, too.
Like "slamming" it can lend itself to be interpreted in a variety of ways.

Until or unless you have evidence that David Wilcock is conspiring with an ill-intended elite to scam humanity with these alleged falsehoods
and take us all deeper into delusional states you can't really be sure, can you?
It is still possible that he is doing the only thing he can do.
After all, he is a Pisces and always has one foot in the other dimension where hard facts are not easy to come by.

It's just a matter of opening the mind a bit and allowing....allowing... allowing...
No harm done.

I can´t be sure about that indeed.

He could be deliberately lying for an unknown purpose or he could actually believe that he´s the reincarnation of Edgar Cayce and be suffering from messianic delusions.

Either way he´s lying, deliberately or not.

Raf.

[Kano]

The tone and mood of threads like these are anathema to the point of being here in the first place. Not disrespect to the OP as it was out of their hands.

I understand we all want to collaborate and learn as a group and that along the way emotions are heightened, but Carmody my friend, you are out of line. You have quite a following here which perhaps means you get away with more than the average poster, but you're being called out by me. I don't care who agrees with me and who does not.

The words you wrote carry a pain and self-loathing that could almost be tasted through the computer screen. Pompous word magic as it were.

Universal truth is not measured in mass appeal.

Kano

[Calz]

His book was excellent, the information was mostly not new, but never has the info been put together, tied together, and so well publicised. I don't see any value in following him like some guru, but likewise I see no profit in bashing him at every turn. Everybody will figure out what's what for themselves, at their own pace.



Of the last 20 (or 100 ... I lost track) Wilcock threads this resonated.

If you peeps want to take another 100 threads to hash that out then have at it ... I won't be here

:wave:


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@ Carmody

yes


If you are going to malign him, keep in mind that his most recent book is a very serious bit of work, that is near flawless.

[Kimberley]

Most who know me know that I love David and his research and his spirit. I consider him to be a friend of mine... not a close best friend however I have talked with him face to face and on the phone with him for many hours over the past 5 years. I do not think of David as a guru...I have no gurus!! David has flaws and so do I and so do you all!!

I am not here to defend David and I am not wanting to change anyone's opinion of him. I am just speaking out to proclaim how much I love and appreciate David Wilcock.

I will also proclaim how much I love and appreciate everyone! However that does not mean I am friends with everyone or that I agree with everyone or that I like everyone, however I do love and appreciate everyone!

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I just want to make one note ... are you all taking any time to look at the fabulous work Sabrina has been doing on this thread?

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?41059-Massive-Bank-and-High-Profile-Resignations-Across-the-World

The title of the thread would be better if it added mass arrests to the title because it includes a lot of arrests that have been happening also...

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Hey if we all agreed on everything that would be boring... however when we can all agree to disagree and except each others difference with out criticizing and cursing and condemning and retaliating and spewing lower vibrating energies toward our brothers and sisters, we will have created peace on earth.

I am choosing to keep my focus on all that IS working well in the world and by doing that I know I create more of what is working well in the world.

Such as, I just started a thread about the Venus Transit June 5/6...

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?45481-June-5-6-2012.-The-last-Venus-Transit-of-our-lifetime...What-is-its-significance

I welcome your contributions to that thread....

I/We/You Are ALL Creating The World You Want To Live In
With Each Thought, Word, And Emotion.

So I am here to remind you to be careful of what you are creating whether you believe you are creating it or not you are!!

Much love to us all :grouphug:

[DreamsInDigital]

However, I must say that predictions can cause a lot of damage.

History proves that many people have committed all sorts of stupidity based on predictions, including suicide.

Wilcock, for instance, when insisting in keep publishing materials that lead people to conformity, like he latest did with the "mass arrests" story, causes a lot of damage.

Whenever someone says something like "God is in charge. Get up out of that chair, crank up the music and let's dance our way into the Ascension", like he did back in the late nineties and still doing in several of his articles today, he´s filling people with false hope, which later leads to deception.

This attitude leads people into conformism, instead of pro-activism.

Raf.

Raf,

Regardless of the predictions/possibilities/probabilities ANYONE makes, the nature of time it's self makes it impossible to know which ones will or will not be accurate, and how much variance each one will possess. Also, David and anyone else that makes a prediction/possibility/probability can NOT fairly and logically be held accountable for the actions people chose to take of their free wills as result of the predictions/possibilities/probabilities that are made. They do so of their free will react the way they chose to react. So, no..David is not a liar, neither is anyone else that makes predictions/possibilities/probabilities and misses. Anyone who understands the very nature of time and the universe it's self, and the existence of free will (and/or the pretentious illusion of it) would know and understand this. You are one of the most well grounded, logical people on this forum.

[ThePythonicCow]

[David Wilcock] changed his look by shaving off his beard and dying his hair blonde ...
Being easily amused, I tracked down a picture of the earlier David Wilcock look, from here: http://www.scribd.com/doc/36525916/David-Wilcock-The-Science-of-Oneness

http://thepythoniccow.us/David_Wilcock_with_beard.jpg

[RMorgan]

Raf,

Regardless of the predictions/possibilities/probabilities ANYONE makes, the nature of time it's self makes it impossible to know which ones will or will not be accurate, and how much variance each one will possess. Also, David and anyone else that makes a prediction/possibility/probability can NOT fairly and logically be held accountable for the actions people chose to take of their free wills as result of the predictions/possibilities/probabilities that are made. They do so of their free will react the way they chose to react. So, no..David is not a liar, neither is anyone else that makes predictions/possibilities/probabilities and misses. Anyone who understands the very nature of time and the universe it's self, and the existence of free will (and/or the pretentious illusion of it) would know and understand this. You are one of the most well grounded, logical people on this forum.

Hi my friend,

I agree with you, mate.

As I´ve said before, I have nothing against predictions. Not at all.

I´m against people who makes predictions and unfounded claims in order to attract attention, followers and to explore goodhearted people to make money.

The fact is that, people such as Wilcock, who has achieved a celebrity status, must be aware that their words reach a large audience and, then, be very careful with what they say, because a lot of people will take their words as granted. It´s called influence.

As uncle Ben said to Peter Parker, "with great power, comes great responsibilities"! ;)

Cheers,

Raf.

[RMorgan]

[David Wilcock] changed his look by shaving off his beard and dying his hair blonde ...
Being easily amused, I tracked down a picture of the earlier David Wilcock look, from here: http://www.scribd.com/doc/36525916/David-Wilcock-The-Science-of-Oneness

http://thepythoniccow.us/David_Wilcock_with_beard.jpg


Hey Paul,

He also claimed to be the reincarnation of Rasputin, according to this post, and:

"With the assistance of good angles and lighting he also likes to force his friends and family to pose like some of his favorite heroes of old (anyone of historical significance who bares a slight resemblance) Sure our world is getting worse and worse every year and desperately needs its savior but apparently the best the universe could come up with is David Wilcock and his team of super goofs to save the planet and herald in the new era."

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=137135213&p=732502653&viewfull=1#post732502653

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRZKx_1QfUgazuelzDC84TTvSAOo55z5nuInSGHLPd8AKC7DbRmH4-rg-s9mg

And with this article:

http://truepastlifereadings.blogspot.com.br/

Cheers,

Raf.

[airaspect]

However, I must say that predictions can cause a lot of damage.

History proves that many people have committed all sorts of stupidity based on predictions, including suicide.

Wilcock, for instance, when insisting in keep publishing materials that lead people to conformity, like he latest did with the "mass arrests" story, causes a lot of damage.

Whenever someone says something like "God is in charge. Get up out of that chair, crank up the music and let's dance our way into the Ascension", like he did back in the late nineties and still doing in several of his articles today, he´s filling people with false hope, which later leads to deception.

This attitude leads people into conformism, instead of pro-activism.

Raf.

Raf,

Regardless of the predictions/possibilities/probabilities ANYONE makes, the nature of time it's self makes it impossible to know which ones will or will not be accurate, and how much variance each one will possess. Also, David and anyone else that makes a prediction/possibility/probability can NOT fairly and logically be held accountable for the actions people chose to take of their free wills as result of the predictions/possibilities/probabilities that are made. They do so of their free will react the way they chose to react. So, no..David is not a liar, neither is anyone else that makes predictions/possibilities/probabilities and misses. Anyone who understands the very nature of time and the universe it's self, and the existence of free will (and/or the pretentious illusion of it) would know and understand this. You are one of the most well grounded, logical people on this forum.

DreamsInDigital,

If someone is mistaken time after time with his predictions, it's logical to assume that it's because said person had no real substance to back the assumptions up in the first place. Not because that is the nature of probability/possibility/free will and what not. We all can speculate on what is about to happen, but when someone puts it out in public as a prediction you would expect it to be more then just their hunch. DW seems like a nice guy and all, but I have to agree with RMorgan here.

[Calz]

[David Wilcock] changed his look by shaving off his beard and dying his hair blonde ...
Being easily amused, I tracked down a picture of the earlier David Wilcock look, from here: http://www.scribd.com/doc/36525916/David-Wilcock-The-Science-of-Oneness

http://thepythoniccow.us/David_Wilcock_with_beard.jpg


Being even more easily amused ... out of disgust and angst I just threw away all my books, cds and videos of Wilcock.

How can anyone continue to give any credit whatsoever to him for being first to bring the data for solar system wide changes in temperature, brightness or color when it is quite clear from this image he is a complete fraud since he had the balls to change his hair color.

I look at his base work ... and there is truth there.

Whether or not *something happened* to cloud his take on current issues ... who knows?

Does that take away from connecting the concrete scientific dots he has over his life???

This has nothing to do with guru following ...

Yes some peeps who have a real hard on for trashing the guy suggest the data is not *his* ... yet he put it together into chunks that were much more accessible to many of us.

Is that a crime??? Shall we burn him now???

... again???


:tsk:


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[K626]

This whole reincarnation craic of his cracks me up man...ha ha..High schtick for sure! :rolleyes:

Peace

K

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DWilcock

[SilentFeathers]

I, over the years have enjoyed some of his lectures but often catch myself scratching my head and disagreeing with him often, but there's a lot of head scratching I've been doing about him lately with this breaking down during an interview, endorsing Drake, and all this mass arrest hupla, etc......I'm sure he's a nice guy and all but I personally am rather suspicious about him lately. Perhaps he's all caught up in too much also like so many are, myself included.....there's a lot going on for most of us right now to digest without choking a little bit to say the least.

He probably believes in most of the stuff he preaches/shares with others, but does he doubt or know he's intentionally fooling others with certain stuff? Who knows but David himself.... I personally don't see the guy with horns and a pitch fork looking for victims, I just this he's rather odd and trying to make a dollar like most people. Doing what he believes he knows best.

If he's willfully and knowingly deceiving others for profit then he's no better than the cabal he talks about doing the same thing, but I think he is better than that. In many ways he's probably just as mislead as the rest of us or even more so, and probably has to deal with way too much info, but he is a bit "far out" there IMO. lol

Most of his work over the years I've taken what I felt made sense to me and discarded the rest.....

That's my take on it....

[WhiteFeather]

IMO David has done some great work in pushing consciousness forward. He had inspired me tremendously during my early awakening stages to say the least. David has done some extensive research and does his homework extremely well. I will standby and support him even though his dates and events did not become fruition. I still believe in his research and resonate with it enormously. Davids no slouch. We can learn alot from him. Graham Hancock endorses David in the first few pages of his inspiring book The Source Field Investigations which i suggest all to read. Davids on to something big, this im sure of intuitively. Not counting him out yet. We have much to learn from this young buck. Thanks David Awesome Job.

[PurpleLama]

Awww, Calz, I wouldna done all that.

Looking at Rasputin, nope that's not him, but I know who is, and his name is currently Micah. Uber Christian and full of angst and venom, but too lazy to do anything about it. He's really a great guy with exceptional integrity. I don't anticipate any avalonians giving this statement any creedence, but playdo, and that's cool.

[Calz]

Awww, Calz, I wouldna done all that.

Looking at Rasputin, nope that's not him, but I know who is, and his name is currently Micah. Uber Christian and full of angst and venom, but too lazy to do anything about it. He's really a great guy with exceptional integrity. I don't anticipate any avalonians giving this statement any creedence, but playdo, and that's cool.

Ignored the last 20 or so threads because it was not worth engaging.

Lost my head :doh:

No days off this week and I was not able to sleep today ... I am *in* the mood!


http://jaynelc.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/yoda_biography_3.jpg

[Sierra]

Awww, Calz, I wouldna done all that.

Looking at Rasputin, nope that's not him, but I know who is, and his name is currently Micah. Uber Christian and full of angst and venom, but too lazy to do anything about it. He's really a great guy with exceptional integrity. I don't anticipate any avalonians giving this statement any creedence, but playdo, and that's cool.

Ignored the last 20 or so threads because it was not worth engaging.

Lost my head :doh:

No days off this week and I was not able to sleep today ... I am *in* the mood!


http://jaynelc.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/yoda_biography_3.jpg

Uh oh! <ducking and running>

[WyoSeeker]

... I´ll never read a book written by a man who is proved to be a liar and manipulator...

I appreciate the devil's advocate viewpoint because I believe it helps keep us all balanced, it would be more productive overall if you dropped the personal attacks though. This is a place for spirituality and personal growth, no?

In my view David's predictions are just as bad as everybody else's and he's done as much as anybody in contributing to many people's awakenings. He share's his truth from the heart and makes many mistakes just as we all do.

It's also unfair to begrudge him the right to earn an income from his efforts unless you want to condemn everyone who sells a book or goes on a speaking tour.

[foreverfan]

http://blogs.itap.purdue.edu/learning/files/2010/03/burstbubble.jpg

[PurpleLama]

Being even more easily amused ... out of disgust and angst I just threw away all my books, cds and videos of Wilcock.

To be clear, this is what was referencing when I said "Awww, Calz...."

[RMorgan]

It's also unfair to begrudge him the right to earn an income from his efforts unless you want to condemn everyone who sells a book or goes on a speaking tour.

Hey mate!

No way! I´m not against people who write and sell books, or who make speaking tours and lectures.

I´m against people that deliberately tell lies beautifully disguised as truth.

I´m against people making prophecies to make money and achieve a spiritual guru status.

I´m against people who manipulate pictures in order to resemble a wise person from the past, in this case, Edgar Cayce, in order to falsely acquire his credibility.

I´m against people who sold the idea that ascension would happen in the year 2000, and then, when nothing happened, erased his footprints and changed the ascension date to 2012, in order to earn some more money.

Anyway, soon 2012 will be gone and most probably nothing extraordinary will happen. Then, we all will be able to see what these folks, specially Wilcock which is one of the biggest 2012 "prophets", will invent as an excuse.

If something extraordinary happens, and David Wilcock ends up being correct after all, I promise to publicly apologize for my lack of faith. You have my word for it. I´ll personally send him a letter of apologize.

Cheers,

Raf.

[Calz]

Being even more easily amused ... out of disgust and angst I just threw away all my books, cds and videos of Wilcock.

To be clear, this is what was referencing when I said "Awww, Calz...."

... and you know me very well enough to know where that came from ...


http://tapestryoflife.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/sarcasmart.jpg


*** adding ***


actually out of the last 20 (or 100) Wilcock threads this isn't the one I should have launched myself back into since the title of the thread had to do with "Predictions" ... and that isn't what I will stand by.

[WhiteFeather]

Raf if you think nothings gonna happen, well then your right nothings gonna happen. Its happening for me right now as Im entering a new earth a new way of consciousness and a new way of thinking. Its all a part of raising frequency and vibration. Some call it the ascension process if you will. What we think we become. My world is changing incredibly. Dont miss the train. Its at the station awaiting departure. As the conductor shouts....... All aboard!!!!!!

[Ammit]

ok, seems the last few days build up to some energy from the eclipse to make us all whatever it was supposed to do, aint working.

FFS give this bickering a rest folks, if you dont like some ones book then dont read it, if you cannot accept some one elses point of view without being negative and attacking each other then, simple, dont read the thread.

The majority here have great minds and you inspire me, but sometimes you make me feel like quitting the site all together.

Play nice....

[Kimberley]

... I´ll never read a book written by a man who is proved to be a liar and manipulator...

I appreciate the devil's advocate viewpoint because I believe it helps keep us all balanced, it would be more productive overall if you dropped the personal attacks though. This is a place for spirituality and personal growth, no?

In my view David's predictions are just as bad as everybody else's and he's done as much as anybody in contributing to many people's awakenings. He share's his truth from the heart and makes many mistakes just as we all do.

It's also unfair to begrudge him the right to earn an income from his efforts unless you want to condemn everyone who sells a book or goes on a speaking tour.

Thank you WyoSeeker I am replying with quote because I want to emphasis your post!!!

I am here to remind us all that what your criticize and what you condemn creates more of that in your reality... what you appreciate and what you are grateful for creates more of that in your reality....

When you criticize and condemn someones stream of financial flow you criticize and condemn your stream of financial flow.

I say to all do not believe me for one moment... however try it, prove it for yourself... we have great power.

Much love!!

[RMorgan]

Raf if you think nothings gonna happen, well then your right nothings gonna happen. Its happening for me right now as Im entering a new earth a new way of consciousness and a new way of thinking. Its all a part of raising frequency and vibration. Some call it the ascension process if you will. What we think we become. My world is changing incredibly. Dont miss the train. Its at the station awaiting departure. As the conductor shouts....... All aboard!!!!!!

Hey mate,

I don´t doubt for a minute of you personal spiritual growth.

I know you´re a wise man.

When I say that probably nothing extraordinary will happen by the end of this year, I´m referring to the claims related to some sort of mass ascension process, when at least A LOT of people is supposed to change their dimensional qualities.

You´re having your own spiritual growth and you´ll probably continue to experience it for many years I hope, until the day your physical body dies.

Now, mass ascension is another thing...

Also, I´m referring to the claims of mass arrests, the end of financial tyranny and the final defeat of the elite.

Anyway, time will tell. We´re so close to 2013.

Then will be able to put the cards on the table and finally make a definitive conclusion about this 2012 subject.

Cheers,

Raf.

[Kimberley]

ok, seems the last few days build up to some energy from the eclipse to make us all whatever it was supposed to do, aint working.

FFS give this bickering a rest folks, if you dont like some ones book then dont read it, if you cannot accept some one elses point of view without being negative and attacking each other then, simple, dont read the thread.

The majority here have great minds and you inspire me, but sometimes you make me feel like quitting the site all together.

Play nice....

Ammit (and all)... please remember to focus on what does work and brings you excitement with those that share information that excites you! Leave what does not excite you into the wind...

There are so many people here that excite me and I so love being in communion with them.. there are many that do not excite me and I do not engage with them or judge them and move on with out a word or a thought or a word or an emotion....

Ammit and all do not bow out because of the lower vibrating perspectives.. pleas vamp up and share your positive vibrating knowing!!! Thank you for being who you are!!! I appreciate you!!

Much love to us all!! :grouphug:

[PurpleLama]

Being even more easily amused ... out of disgust and angst I just threw away all my books, cds and videos of Wilcock.

To be clear, this is what was referencing when I said "Awww, Calz...."

... and you know me very well enough to know where that came from ...


http://tapestryoflife.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/sarcasmart.jpg


*** adding ***


actually out of the last 20 (or 100) Wilcock threads this isn't the one I should have launched myself back into since the title of the thread had to do with "Predictions" ... and that isn't what I will stand by.

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[Calz]

http://platform.ak.fbcdn.net/www/app_full_proxy.php?app=4949752878&v=1&size=o&cksum=a61087a904d9727d9279b65277b10870&src=http%3A%2F%2Fimg101.imageshack.us%2Fimg101%2F6374%2Fsarcasmn.jpg

... and that's why you are the PURPLE WIZARD ...


... light saber withdrawn ... for now ...

[Maia Gabrial]

David's information makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside.... What's not to like? He tells them what they want to hear.... Not what they SHOULD hear....

[jjjones]

avalonian friends, my, my this post and a reply sounds so immature and elementary. it seems like a little bullying going on in certain statements. shame shame shame. this is absolutely ridiculous behavior over an opinion that cannot be agreed upon. if one cannot make their point in a civil, respecting and accepting manner then they should just zip the lips until they can do so. it seems everyone is looking for ascension, balance, negativity to be done away with/cabal, unity, acceptance etc.... how can one expect with this attitude that any positive outcome come to fruition? it doesn't matter who predicts what, when, how & why, it matters how we go within and discern for ourselves. when it is the correct time for us to know anything it is assured that it will most definitely be revealed to ALL. we need to balance ourselves and we DON'T NEED ANY ONE TO TELLS US THAT THEY WILL BALANCE US,apparently anyone that thinks that they are capable and have the ability to put another in balance, is most OUT OF BALANCE & ALIGNMENT. let's be kind to each other in response. we have a great forum here at p.a. and all of you my fellow avalonians are great, fantastic teachers, i have learned so much from all of you. thank you. namaste, peace and love universally :)

[Kimberley]

I just remembered something else I want to share...

There has been a lot of criticism of "false hope" I personally do not and can not understand what "false hope" is??? I live beyond hope and EXPECT... so therefore I get what I EXPECT. If I hope or want I am limiting the possibility of manifesting... when I EXPECT I receive what I EXPECT.

Again do not believe me try it for yourself! I have proved for me that when I EXPECT I get what I EXPECT. And I have also learned that I may get what I EXPECT in minutes and at other times it might take years because all happens when it is meant to happen in perfect timing...

Much love!!!

[RMorgan]

Hey mates,

Speaking about books, you should also check this one. It looks very interesting...Well, at least it looked very interesting before 1988 ended and nothing happened.

Anyway, It should be good, because it sold 4.500.000 copies, according to wikipedia.

It´s called 88 reasons Why The Rapture Will Be in 1988: The Feast of Trumpets, written by Edgar Whisenaut, an ex NASA scientist:

http://www.amazon.com/reasons-Why-Rapture-Will-1988/dp/B00073BM8O/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1337731281&sr=1-1

Again, I´m not saying anything about Wilcock´s book, since I´ve never read it.

However, since his book is defined by these words, according to Amazon.com:

"Based on a hugely popular Internet documentary, this exploration of historic signs and symbolism determines what the future holds for humanity come 2012. ",

"If you believe there is no special significance to the year 2012, then prepare yourself for a guided tour through the most incredible scientific mysteries in the modern world, which may be the rediscovery of an ancient system of physics and spirituality that was once widely used and understood, but has since crumbled almost completely into ruin." -The Source Field Investigations"

Then, if nothing extraordinary happens after 2012, well, his book will probably achieve the same status as the other one posted above.

Anyway, it´s always a win win situation. If he´s correct, he will win. If he´s wrong, he will sell lots of books anyway.

I´m not claiming that this very, very embarrassing situation is going to repeat but, personally, in my opinion, from my point of view, this is very likely/probable to happen.

Another curious fact, is that Edgar C. Whisenant, author of the first book mentioned in this post, after his 1988 rapture prediction failed, followed up with later books with predictions for various dates in 1989, 1993, 1994 and 1997. I also hope this situation doesn´t happen again.

I hope I don´t have OCD or any other similar problem, but I must confess I see patterns everywhere.

Cheers,

Raf.

[Khaleesi]

If you are going to malign him, keep in mind that his most recent book is a very serious bit of work, that is near flawless.

Say what you want but don't say he's a farce, UNLESS you state that his latest book, the source field is an excellent and near landmark bit of work.

Seriously.

for if you do not I WILL follow you around and slam you on this at every opportunity.

Balance yourself, sir, Or I will do it for you.

At every embarrassing opportunity possible, if necessary.

Simply as you are on a forum.... that is shared.

Following someone with the intention to 'slam you on this at every opportunity' is called stalking. If this isn't against this site's policies, it should be.

[Cartomancer]

I think Wilcock is actually getting his information from a hermetically sealed jar stashed under Funk and Wagnall's front porch. Oh, no wait that was Johnny Carson. Hmm. Wilcock kind of looks like Johnny Carson as well. Wow.

xuFSWcNe8hY

[jorr lundstrom]

Radio Galactica had a discussion about his kind of humour today.

Predictions, the threatening celestial body of the month, the savior

of the month and all similar subjects presented here doesnt catch too

much attention in the Galaxy at large.


http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt81/sakasvattaja/wyga.jpg


All is well


Jorr

[Arrowwind]

Ok, rather than derail the Drake update thread over DW's false predictions, let's argue about them here. Some think DW is the next best guru on planet Earth and others, like myself, think he's making a buck on hopium and makes a lot of false predictions then comes up with not so clever excuses when things don't pan out. So, here is a list I am compiling, feel free to add your list of false prophecy or predictions:

In 2010, predicts that President Obama will attempt to reveal the existence of aliens and alien technologies this year. He says it’ll be a two-hour prime time special, in which a human-like off world entity will be introduced. http://the2012deception.net/?p=222

ATS has a thread that says Wilcock said by the end of 2009 we would have full disclosure of aliens. http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread546507/pg1

His predictions for “ascension” to occur in the year 2000 http://the2012deception.net/?p=222

So, DW also predicts Obama is going to turn the tables on the NWO. Well, he seems to be signing Executive Orders and planning wars with them. Just how much does he have to do to continue their plan before those who support DW realize that it's a lie. Obama is NOT going to stop the evil elites. He hates America and is doing all he can to help drive us further into demise economically and socially. DW support obama, and that is enough for me to know DW's sources suck.

You are absolutly right.. and I never did listen to him as in following his lead.. although I admit I was quite curious when I heard that he claimed to be Edgar Cayces' reincarnation. I have read some of his material

I have not seen one single prediction from him come true... and his blasted evasive excuses and blaming on others turns my stomach when he is confronted with the reality of his BS..... and he has a sef righteous air that I find repugnant.

I may have a knack for being tossed from boards, I dont know, but when I joined Divine Cosmos I was advised to control my tounge... and my doubting mind, and my direct questions by moderators... I left at that point. Never did get tossed, but the effect was equal to what happened at Crowsnest. They cannot tolerate opinions other than their own nor can they handle revelatory questions.... questions that directly reveal the BS going on.

[Arrowwind]

I think Wilcock is actually getting his information from a hermetically sealed jar stashed under Funk and Wagnall's front porch. Oh, no wait that was Johnny Carson. Hmm. Wilcock kind of looks like Johnny Carson as well. Wow.

xuFSWcNe8hY

Maybe Wilcox is a reincarnation of Carson.... Oh no. Of course that is not possible... then a twin soul? yes, that could be it! Certainly his link to the cosmos is profound!.... much like Johnny!


:bigfish:

[Cartomancer]

Hey mate,

I´m showing data and facts.

I´m not inventing anything.

I didn´t manipulate this info in any way.

I´m presenting the info that David himself made available.

If you want to follow me around, feel free to do so.

Since I´m just a regular guy who´s searching for the truth, you´ll just waste your time, because I´m not claiming anything extraordinary or trying to be a guru of any sort.

Anyway, I´ll never read a book written by a man who is proved to be a liar and manipulator, who makes a living by fooling goodhearted people.

These are not the sort of books I like to read anyway; I prefer the literature classics, mostly the Russians and Brazilian writers.

You must be out of your mind to threaten me like you did, sir. As hard as I try, I don´t see any feasible possibility for you to interfere in my life in any way.

Regards,

Rafael.

Dang. I just soiled my Depends undergarment in fear for you Raf. Alert Alert. The thought police are here. Alarm. Everyone hide!!

[Patrikas]

Its always good to remind ourselves that Ascension is a process that is unfolding second by second and includes all of us as the human race and all consciousness upon earths beauty, in all planes and dimensions of her totality, and that Creator and Earth are in charge of this process wether we agree with it or like it or not .
It can be dissapionting when things dont happen when and as we would like them even if we are coming from good intent. very few if any in the physical would know the whole divine plan, but together each has their part of the picture and sharing it in unity brings froth a better understanding of whats giong on in these crazy times

[9eagle9]

Yes but Source Fields is not neither landmark or original, nor was there anything in there that hasn't been explored before its compiled mostly from the sweat of other's labor so Davi'ds extraordinarily large melon head could further be swollen. David climb up the ascension ladder mostly involves stepping on the rungs (and faces) of other authors and researchers.

Carmody go balance yourself before flinging out impotent and ineffectual threats, you are as ego bloated as David if you think you can balance anyone.



If you are going to malign him, keep in mind that his most recent book is a very serious bit of work, that is near flawless.

Say what you want but don't say he's a farce, UNLESS you state that his latest book, the source field is an excellent and near landmark bit of work.

Seriously.

for if you do not I WILL follow you around and slam you on this at every opportunity.

Balance yourself, sir, Or I will do it for you.

At every embarrassing opportunity possible, if necessary.

Simply as you are on a forum.... that is shared.

[Unified Serenity]

I am going to go on one of my musings and type it out.....

I would think revealing truth is a high vibrational energy and being deceived or deceiving is a low vibrational energy. It sort of reminds me of masturbation, it feels good, but can you really call it sex? Because DW makes you feel good even though he is full of crap in his predictions and many assumptions, it's all good. Here's what I think. You all really like what he has to say but you don't give his "word" a lot of credit because I bet not one of you would dream of spending all your savings this year, sell your house and travel and stay with family and enjoy your last year before ascension. I mean that would be really putting your reputation on the line. When it doesn't happen you would have spent it all, wasted your kids inheritance and well, the truth is you live in fear too otherwise you'd stand behind your undying faith and support of DW. Hell, if he really believes he is ascending why the hell is he selling anything? He doesn't believe any of his crap, and he's laughing all the way to the bank.

I'm glad I just did this mental exercise. The next time DW asks you to buy some book, donate, or pay for some conference where he can predict another dozen things and tell you all how you are going to ascend and disclosure is surely happening, just remember what I said here. Why would he need money if he is ascending?

[Cartomancer]

David's book is a great piece of work! I don't get into the prediction aspect of his career. No "guru" is going to be perfect and like us, they are evolving into who they will be in the future. I'm sure many guru's have written books only years later to wish they would have known then what they know now. I think the best thing to do is take whatever piece of their work resonates with you the most, and dump the rest. I tend to focus on the science aspect of what David has presented as it's verifiable. He's brought several studies to the forefront supporting the existence of a Sourcefield, which I think are substantial. It's much easier to share the information with someone when I can give them verifiable science to back what I'm saying. The existence of Sourcefield was key for me as I've been accessing it since I was a young child, but at the time I didn't know how I was doing what I was doing because I didn't have the vocabulary or science background to validate what I all ready knew existed. I would not have been aware of these studies had he not compiled them in the manner in which he has via his latest book, so for this I'm quite grateful. I wish he got more credit for this aspect. People are human and no one is going to be perfect. The days of finding a messiah are over. The messiah lies in each individual, so you have to take the good of what every person has to offer and throw out the rest that doesn't apply.

Maybe he should temper his thoughts with phrases like: "It may be possible," "the evidence infers," or "my best guess." He is outright making predictions like he was Edgar Cayce or something. I feel personally connected to this whole mess. When I was nineteen I delivered linen to the A.R.E. in Virginia Beach. I probably crossed paths with the man! I trod the same path as Cayce and Wilcock! Whoa.

[RMorgan]

I am going to go on one of my musings and type it out.....

I would think revealing truth is a high vibrational energy and being deceived or deceiving is a low vibrational energy. It sort of reminds me of masturbation, it feels good, but can you really call it sex? Because DW makes you feel good even though he is full of crap in his predictions and many assumptions, it's all good. Here's what I think. You all really like what he has to say but you don't give his "word" a lot of credit because I bet not one of you would dream of spending all your savings this year, sell your house and travel and stay with family and enjoy your last year before ascension. I mean that would be really putting your reputation on the line. When it doesn't happen you would have spent it all, wasted your kids inheritance and well, the truth is you live in fear too otherwise you'd stand behind your undying faith and support of DW. Hell, if he really believes he is ascending why the hell is he selling anything? He doesn't believe any of his crap, and he's laughing all the way to the bank.

I'm glad I just did this mental exercise. The next time DW asks you to buy some book, donate, or pay for some conference where he can predict another dozen things and tell you all how you are going to ascend and disclosure is surely happening, just remember what I said here. Why would he need money if he is ascending?

Dear Unified Serenity,

You really impressed me with this one. Very well thought! Really!

There´s nothing more amazing than pure, beautiful logic!

You know, back in the year 1000, many Christians in Europe had predicted the end of the world on this date.

As the date approached, Christian armies waged war against some of the Pagan countries in Northern Europe. The motivation was to convert them all to Christianity, by force if necessary, before Christ returned in the year 1000.

Meanwhile, some Christians had given their possessions to the Church in anticipation of the end.

Fortunately, the level of education was so low that many citizens were unaware of the year. They did not know enough to be afraid. Otherwise, the panic might have been far worse than it was.

Unfortunately, when Jesus did not appear, the church did not return the gifts. Serious criticism of the Church followed. The Church reacted by exterminating some heretics. Agitation settled down quickly, as it later did in the year 2000 ( and probably as it will happen after 2012).

Now, these are true believers; very stupid, but still true believers!

Cheers,

Raf.

Ps: I still keep seeing patterns everywhere...History copies itself, over and over again...Just change a few words and the magic happens...Only, fortunately, people are not that stupid anymore nowadays.

[xeon]

I am going to go on one of my musings and type it out.....

I would think revealing truth is a high vibrational energy and being deceived or deceiving is a low vibrational energy. It sort of reminds me of masturbation, it feels good, but can you really call it sex? Because DW makes you feel good even though he is full of crap in his predictions and many assumptions, it's all good. Here's what I think. You all really like what he has to say but you don't give his "word" a lot of credit because I bet not one of you would dream of spending all your savings this year, sell your house and travel and stay with family and enjoy your last year before ascension. I mean that would be really putting your reputation on the line. When it doesn't happen you would have spent it all, wasted your kids inheritance and well, the truth is you live in fear too otherwise you'd stand behind your undying faith and support of DW. Hell, if he really believes he is ascending why the hell is he selling anything? He doesn't believe any of his crap, and he's laughing all the way to the bank.

I'm glad I just did this mental exercise. The next time DW asks you to buy some book, donate, or pay for some conference where he can predict another dozen things and tell you all how you are going to ascend and disclosure is surely happening, just remember what I said here. Why would he need money if he is ascending?

This is something I never figured out. I mean, why would he be going on speaking tours throughout this year and continue to promote his books and his albums like crazy if such a huge change is going to come?

There would be no use and need for them.

Those things he talks about would no longer have ANY question marks attached to them; all would be on TV and in the mainstream media. I do notice his audience has grown tremendously ever since he jumped on board the mass arrest thing, very likely to be a few million at least, and it doesn't take much to calculate that he has made, or stands to make a good sum of money even if only just a small percentage buy anything. Of course, making money isn't wrong in itself, but tying it with his ascension theory, all that money would be fairly redundant, to say the least....if even half of what he says is true.

PS: About the Elenin or Nibiru thing though, as far as I know, he was never on board with this one, and never made any mention of it even when the hype was at its peak. But as for the rest of the info on this thread, I guess it is true, and it's disturbing to see how many times he was either deceived, or being deliberately deceptive.

[UnrealDreams]

The source field book is totally great... as for 'predictions', if we believe that timelines are not fixed but fluid and exist only in potential, how can anyone be expected to make any that are 100% accurate... :)

I agree blackcat!! David has a ton of free material on his website, including many free e-books:
http://divinecosmos.com/start-here/books-free-online


David Wilcock has revealed much of what the modern education establishment does not want us to know, such as the life force energy(Chi, Aether, Orgone whatever you want to call it) they have been supressing for hundreds, probably thousands of years. But, if you discount Wicock's thoeries just because he made a few false predictions, then you are missing out on the most revealing information I have ever come across. Wilcock has explained many things that our modern education system has got flat-out wrong. If you aren't reading those books, you will be left in the dark about these subjects. I haven't even got to Source Field Investigations yet, and he has already exposed the modern education system for the fraud it is.

Anyone who has ever made predictions has screwed up. That's why people lose credibility in my book when they reveal exact dates for things to happen. If anything, Wilcock is certainly gullible judging by his involvement in the Drake scenario. He has done too much to advance modern sciences to discredit him for a few bad predictions. Nostrodamus predicted a huge Earthquake with the recent planetary alignment, but May 20 came and went and....nothing. No huge Earthquake hit. There were no mass casualties. I guess Nostradamus was a fraud, too??

[Mike]

it seems that every few months the forum gets bored or something, and to liven things up a new alt media figure is selected for crucifixion. there are always 1 or 2 that stand up for the poor guy, but generally the masses sit back and watch him burn, cheering all the while. ok, fine. whatever.

now it's Wilcock. i don't even really need to read the thread. let me guess...

-there are a few who are pretending to be noble and are passing off their sadism as wake-up sniffy glue for the masses, but are really just enjoying the drama.

-there are a few who claim rare powers for themselves and are simply jealous of the attention Wilcock gets, and desperately present the non-commercialization of their talents as proof of their award winning scruples.

-there's gotta be a guy or 2 in there who claims Wilcock is in it for the cash. this always makes me laugh. if i was a hustler, i'd honestly consider milking the homeless community before i milked the alternative community. if you go around on the various alt forums there are always the same people posting relentlessly day in and day out, and you wonder how they get by with spending all that time on the computer. it's unlikely they even hold jobs, and if they do it surely involves taking out the trash or mowing the lawn, likely as part of the rent package for living in their mother's basement.

-invariably there will be the guy who says we have to move on, who will make what he thinks is his seminal post, will promise never to return again, giving the impression he is above it all, but will return time and again to defend his position.

-no doubt we have the guy here who has accused the 'lets move on guy' of being some kind of 007 secret agent provacateur, even though he's the most reasonable guy in the thread. and even though 'lets move on guy' has decided he's above all this and has even announced it, he will take the bait and accuse the guy who just accused him of agentry of the same thing. then the straw man accusations will fly...

-surely someone has accused o.p of being an 'agent'. has that happened yet? i haven't read the thread yet, but i'll bet my life that if it hasn't happened yet, it will happen shortly.


i just don't get it. i could care less if Wilcock is edgar cayce or edgar allen poe. could care less if he steals money from his mother's purse or spends his free time tripping old ladies. either way, my life will remain exactly the same. ditto with this Drake guy.

my next prediction is this: i will be accused of trolling, or at the very least i'll be asked this question: if you really don't care Chinaski, why are you bothering to post. and the best answer i can give you is this: i'm out of beer, bored, grumpy, and i just f#cking felt like it.

[Unified Serenity]

Ps: I still keep seeing patterns everywhere...History copies itself, over and over again...Just change a few words and the magic happens...

Hey Raf,

You know I think this is one reason I am so agitated right now. This all has happened before, and it keeps happening. Talking about ascension and peace does not bring peace. Real changes in character have to take place. There needs to be a clearing of energy and forgiveness for wrongs said and done on many sides. My writings, that I dont' share on here anymore really, are all about the past repeating, that there is a system in place that has worked for thousands of years. We are about to enter a new paradigm and we are going to either like it or not be part of it. The New Age is of course not new. This whole Source Field Investigation, man is God, cosmic unity is not new, it is ancient beliefs repackaged with a twist here and there. How to you get people to want to adopt a whole new system of beliefs? By making the old system so painfully bad and creating an environment of extreme beliefs and actions.

I speak of these various things because if we do not start realizing that what is being done publicly by various leaders, speakers, media is not truth. In fact, I would pretty much not listen to a single person who has a following because they have something to sell. Now, I do trust a few well known people, but I don't promote them. I sometimes quote them, but it's not who you all that dislike my posts would imagine. I personally have great disdain for the manipulation that Limbaugh, Hannity, and Beck do at critical junctures. I nearly lost my head when Rush kept selling GATT and NAFTA. It's critical policy things like that where they show their true allegiances. Nonetheless, they do also bring to light important stories and events. Just as I would not buy a single DW book, I would also not buy a single book by any of those three well known commentators in the future. I did get the Beck book The Overton Window (http://www.amazon.com/The-Overton-Window-Glenn-Beck/dp/B005OHVVVG/ref=pd_sim_b_15) because I felt he was sharing a lot of "inside" info in the book, but knew it would be like walking in a mine field.

[RMorgan]

Anyone who has ever made predictions has screwed up. That's why people lose credibility in my book when they reveal exact dates for things to happen. If anything, Wilcock is certainly gullible judging by his involvement in the Drake scenario. He has done too much to advance modern sciences to discredit him for a few bad predictions. Nostrodamus predicted a huge Earthquake with the recent planetary alignment, but May 20 came and went and....nothing. No huge Earthquake hit. There were no mass casualties. I guess Nostradamus was a fraud, too??

Hey mate,

I don´t know if Nostradamus was a fraud as well.

His predictions are so cryptic that I guess no one but him could interpret them correctly.

His very symbolic predictions are also so strange, that they could be interpreted in a way so that they would fit almost any kind of disaster (after it happens).

Also, as far as I know, people come up connecting Nostradamus predictions only after a disaster happens, never before it happens, so they end up being "postdictions", if there´s such a word.

About Wilcock´s books, I haven´t read the latest, but I´ve read much of his free stuff.

He´s a good researcher and I must credit him for that.

However, that´s all he is; a good researcher. He picks up other persons theories and ideas and glue them together, which is not a bad thing at all, but it´s not the same as "doing so much to advance modern science".

Cheers,

Raf.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

-there are a few who are pretending to be noble and are passing off their sadism as wake-up sniffy glue for the masses, but are really just enjoying the drama.

There's alot of that going around. Come sit with the rest of us.

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i157/SealJuice/winkdrink.jpg

[Unified Serenity]

That was friggin awesome Chinanski, and I wish I could give you a well deserved Beer. Well, I actually posted this thread because the issue came up in another thread and rather than watch it derail and knowing lots of people have feelings about all this, I well got the ball rolling.

Lots of what you said has occurred and some is yet to occur. You are right, DW won't affect my life, and I guess I shouldn't care a rat's rectum if others are duped. For some reason though I do. I think I will focus on my navel lint and meditate on that, thanks hun.

(http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?3356-Chinaski)

[RMorgan]

That was friggin awesome Chinanski, and I wish I could give you a well deserved Beer. Well, I actually posted this thread because the issue came up in another thread and rather than watch it derail and knowing lots of people have feelings about all this, I well got the ball rolling.

Lots of what you said has occurred and some is yet to occur. You are right, DW won't affect my life, and I guess I shouldn't care a rat's rectum if others are duped. For some reason though I do. I think I will focus on my navel lint and meditate on that, thanks hun.

(http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?3356-Chinaski)

Hi again,

That´s what bothers me...

I shouldn´t care to see other persons that I don´t even know personally being duped. (?)

But I do care...I don´t know why. I just care. I care a lot.

Isn´t it the opposite of being selfish? Isn´t it a good thing?

I mean, are things so bad right now, that one should be ashamed to care about others, instead of the opposite?

Cheers,

Raf.

[Mike]

That was friggin awesome Chinanski, and I wish I could give you a well deserved Beer. Well, I actually posted this thread because the issue came up in another thread and rather than watch it derail and knowing lots of people have feelings about all this, I well got the ball rolling.

Lots of what you said has occurred and some is yet to occur. You are right, DW won't affect my life, and I guess I shouldn't care a rat's rectum if others are duped. For some reason though I do. I think I will focus on my navel lint and meditate on that, thanks hun.

(http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?3356-Chinaski)


it's no knock on you U.Serenity.;) we discuss stuff here because it can be fun and interesting; i understand that. but i think i've just od'd on some of this stuff.

i think i'll vacation myself for a few days...

[we-R-one]

David's book is a great piece of work! I don't get into the prediction aspect of his career. No "guru" is going to be perfect and like us, they are evolving into who they will be in the future. I'm sure many guru's have written books only years later to wish they would have known then what they know now. I think the best thing to do is take whatever piece of their work resonates with you the most, and dump the rest. I tend to focus on the science aspect of what David has presented as it's verifiable. He's brought several studies to the forefront supporting the existence of a Sourcefield, which I think are substantial. It's much easier to share the information with someone when I can give them verifiable science to back what I'm saying. The existence of Sourcefield was key for me as I've been accessing it since I was a young child, but at the time I didn't know how I was doing what I was doing because I didn't have the vocabulary or science background to validate what I all ready knew existed. I would not have been aware of these studies had he not compiled them in the manner in which he has via his latest book, so for this I'm quite grateful. I wish he got more credit for this aspect. People are human and no one is going to be perfect. The days of finding a messiah are over. The messiah lies in each individual, so you have to take the good of what every person has to offer and throw out the rest that doesn't apply.

Maybe he should temper his thoughts with phrases like: "It may be possible," "the evidence infers," or "my best guess." He is outright making predictions like he was Edgar Cayce or something. I feel personally connected to this whole mess. When I was nineteen I delivered linen to the A.R.E. in Virginia Beach. I probably crossed paths with the man! I trod the same path as Cayce and Wilcock! Whoa.

I'm referring to the science, look at the science, not the predictions. I was very clear in my post. I'm guessing you haven't read his book or looked at the scientific studies that he references in his book. There's no need for him to say "it may be possible" because the studies show that "it is". And I can tell you from first hand personal experience that Sourcefield exists because I've used it and I'm guessing that many who have special metaphysical abilities are utilizing the same energy field.

[UnrealDreams]

Ps: I still keep seeing patterns everywhere...History copies itself, over and over again...Just change a few words and the magic happens...

Hey Raf,

You know I think this is one reason I am so agitated right now. This all has happened before, and it keeps happening. Talking about ascension and peace does not bring peace. Real changes in character have to take place. There needs to be a clearing of energy and forgiveness for wrongs said and done on many sides. My writings, that I dont' share on here anymore really, are all about the past repeating, that there is a system in place that has worked for thousands of years. We are about to enter a new paradigm and we are going to either like it or not be part of it. The New Age is of course not new. This whole Source Field Investigation, man is God, cosmic unity is not new, it is ancient beliefs repackaged with a twist here and there. How to you get people to want to adopt a whole new system of beliefs? By making the old system so painfully bad and creating an environment of extreme beliefs and actions.

I speak of these various things because if we do not start realizing that what is being done publicly by various leaders, speakers, media is not truth. In fact, I would pretty much not listen to a single person who has a following because they have something to sell. Now, I do trust a few well known people, but I don't promote them. I sometimes quote them, but it's not who you all that dislike my posts would imagine. I personally have great disdain for the manipulation that Limbaugh, Hannity, and Beck do at critical junctures. I nearly lost my head when Rush kept selling GATT and NAFTA. It's critical policy things like that where they show their true allegiances. Nonetheless, they do also bring to light important stories and events. Just as I would not buy a single DW book, I would also not buy a single book by any of those three well known commentators in the future. I did get the Beck book The Overton Window (http://www.amazon.com/The-Overton-Window-Glenn-Beck/dp/B005OHVVVG/ref=pd_sim_b_15) because I felt he was sharing a lot of "inside" info in the book, but knew it would be like walking in a mine field.

I thought you had read Wilcock's work. Isn't it kind of strange that you started a thread like this without at least reading his work? On exactly what basis can you legitimately call him a fraud if you are not educated about his work?

I wonder if Raf has read any of his work? Or are you guys just 'winging it' here?
And Raf, Nostradamus clearly predicted a major Earthquake with major catastrophes on May.20th, 2012. The lining up of the planets is clearly the time he predicted this would happen, without question.

I guess strangeness is all relative. Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, and Sean Hannity? That is super duper strange to me. Carry on.

Peace and love-
Jeff

[Carmody]

That was friggin awesome Chinanski, and I wish I could give you a well deserved Beer. Well, I actually posted this thread because the issue came up in another thread and rather than watch it derail and knowing lots of people have feelings about all this, I well got the ball rolling.

Lots of what you said has occurred and some is yet to occur. You are right, DW won't affect my life, and I guess I shouldn't care a rat's rectum if others are duped. For some reason though I do. I think I will focus on my navel lint and meditate on that, thanks hun.

(http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?3356-Chinaski)

You should give a rat's ass, and I applaud you and RMorgan for it.

But I suggest to you..that being angry about in... in a launched attack kind of way... is a backward move for the self and for others who may be involved in your attacks. I know all about that sort of thing. A lesson we all get to learn.

[Unified Serenity]

That was friggin awesome Chinanski, and I wish I could give you a well deserved Beer. Well, I actually posted this thread because the issue came up in another thread and rather than watch it derail and knowing lots of people have feelings about all this, I well got the ball rolling.

Lots of what you said has occurred and some is yet to occur. You are right, DW won't affect my life, and I guess I shouldn't care a rat's rectum if others are duped. For some reason though I do. I think I will focus on my navel lint and meditate on that, thanks hun.

(http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?3356-Chinaski)


it's no knock on you U.Serenity.;) we discuss stuff here because it can be fun and interesting; i understand that. but i think i've just od'd on some of this stuff.

i think i'll vacation myself for a few days...

I rather like most of your posts, but I understand if you need a break. I took one not too long ago myself. Do check out my the video I posted by the comedian about "You can't fix stupid".... it's pretty funny.

[sygh]

That was no threat, that was a promise.
Something to be grateful about.
I wouldn't mind someone of Carmody's caliber looking out for me like that...

We all can get stuck in unnecessary hostilities...

Hey ulli,

"for if you do not I WILL follow you around and slam you on this at every opportunity."

slam 1 (slm)
v. slammed, slam·ming, slams
v.tr.
1. To shut with force and loud noise: slammed the door.
2. To put, throw, or otherwise forcefully move so as to produce a loud noise: slammed the book on the desk.
3. To hit or strike with great force.
4. Slang To criticize harshly; censure forcefully.
v.intr.
1. To close or swing into place with force so as to produce a loud noise.
2. To hit something with force; crash: slammed into a truck.

Well, despite actually loving the English language, it´s not my mother tongue, so I might be wrong, but it looks like a threat to me.

Anyway, I don´t care. I´m a honest man and have nothing to fear.

Besides, I´m not judging his book, since I haven´t read it. One can be an engineer/lawyer/serial killer/priest/plumber/scam artist/whatever and still write a terrific book.

I´m showing proof that the way David Wilcock presents himself to the alternative community is indeed false; nothing more than that.

Cheers,

Raf.

Carmody was just being fun, making light... that's all. What I mean by that is that I can imagine a good discussion would insue as well. :cool:

[Cartomancer]

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-there are a few who are pretending to be noble and are passing off their sadism as wake-up sniffy glue for the masses, but are really just enjoying the drama.

There's alot of that going around. Come sit with the rest of us.

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i157/SealJuice/winkdrink.jpg

I am here hanging with you. I am sitting on the couch.

[we-R-one]

Hell, if he really believes he is ascending why the hell is he selling anything? Why would he need money if he is ascending?

In all honesty, I thought the same thing when I attended his conference and David's mom was promoting her book that she was in the process of writing. But then again, it does cost money to throw conferences and do the traveling that he's doing.

[Alex Laker]

Well the thing is about David Wilcock to my mind is that he doesn't exactly come knocking on your door threatening to break your legs if you don't hand over your money in exchange for him making you to sign an affidavit agreeing with everything he says...

So we have a choice, the same type of choice we make when deciding whether we should watch TV, go to work, church, or otherwise investing ourselves in a system of beliefs or rituals of egotistical self-fulfilment.

In another thread, I wrote how the PTB prevent us from finding ourselves by providing answers for us. Apparently this was rubbish because, people have choice and freewill, and we should stop blaming other people for our mistakes.

Either we treat David Wilcock as essentially a PTB who subverts our intention for his own gain, and we accept that he can do that because people are idiots who can't think for themselves. Or, we say that maybe he made some mistakes in the past, which we can all relate to as humans, but people give him the benefit of the doubt because he continues to work in a positive manner and produce positive material that once again people relate to.

Personally, I don't at all get or agree with his work and I haven't had personal experiences with the 'source field', and so I can't comment. The only facts I see are his failed predictions. However, I fail to accept that such a high number of people on this forum who follow him are fools who are being suckered by a man who to me seems really quite meek.

But then again, I would have said that about the majority of modern society in relation to the PTB.

*sigh*

The phrase 'laissez tomber' comes to mind.

[ThePythonicCow]

Heard good things about this book ("The Source Field Investigations" (http://amzn.com/0525952047)). I know you're a bit of a technical thinker Paul, so let us know what you think of it when you've finished fella. :)

It's a mixed bag so far.

I separate in my mind the Wilcock who authored this book from the Wilcock who has been involved in the recent Drake, Fulford stories. I've been no fan of Drake or Fulford, so Wilcock's supporting them earns no street-cred in my corner.

The book so far is promoting the case that there is some "Source Field" integrating and organizing all that is, unseen by conventional science or understanding. But it is making this case in a way that would not convince me in the slightest, if I wasn't willing to consider that possibility already.

A snip from this Amazon review (http://www.amazon.com/review/R15B49SFB8CS6Z/ref=cm_cr_pr_perm?ie=UTF8&ASIN=0525952047&nodeID=&tag=&linkCode=) says it pretty well:




I think that the most bothersome aspect of the author is his habit of suggesting his own speculation, then adding this or that tantalising bit of material from here or there that 'seems' to support it, then moves on with a 'we have learned this...' or 'it is obvious that...' or 'clearly, it can be seen...' as he adds in more speculation on his part and picks and chooses more science (good? rigorous? junk?) to support his new level of speculation or set of presumptions. I think that Wilcock is right about at least some things, but his method of marshalling and assessing evidence could have been a little more careful.

In my words, Wilcock is trying to persuade the reader how wonderful and true his insight is by the quantity of references he can assemble which, in his interpretation, support this insight. I get the distinct impression, as I read, that were I to drill down into these references, I would find that many of them did not support the interpretation that Wilcock gave them. It's the same impression I get when reading main stream media's popularizations of medical research.

I suspect his book is best received by those who want to hear or already agree with what it claims to be investigating and supporting.

My preference, in works that explore new foundational understanding, is for works with a clarity, depth, precision, elegance of concepts and accurate connections to select evidence that best exemplifies these concepts. Trying to dazzle me with all many "stunning" supporting examples, each glossed over in a page or three, will not earn a space on my long term "best books" shelf. I prefer 100 pages of conceptual clarity and profound insight, to a 500 page compendium presented with breathless excitment.

[ThePythonicCow]

David Wilcock has revealed much of what the modern education establishment does not want us to know, such as the life force energy(Chi, Aether, Orgone whatever you want to call it) they have been supressing for hundreds, probably thousands of years. But, if you discount Wicock's thoeries just because he made a few false predictions, then you are missing out on the most revealing information I have ever come across. Wilcock has explained many things that our modern education system has got flat-out wrong. If you aren't reading those books, you will be left in the dark about these subjects. I haven't even got to Source Field Investigations yet, and he has already exposed the modern education system for the fraud it is.

Anyone who has ever made predictions has screwed up. That's why people lose credibility in my book when they reveal exact dates for things to happen. If anything, Wilcock is certainly gullible judging by his involvement in the Drake scenario. He has done too much to advance modern sciences to discredit him for a few bad predictions. Nostrodamus predicted a huge Earthquake with the recent planetary alignment, but May 20 came and went and....nothing. No huge Earthquake hit. There were no mass casualties. I guess Nostradamus was a fraud, too??
Yes, Wilcock is bringing to a wider audience much that the establishment would keep hidden. I wouldn't say that Wilcock has revealed this, or advanced the sciences, because I wouldn't say that his primary contribution is original thinking. Rather I find his strength to be in assembling into a more accessible form, and connecting the dots between, a wide variety of evidence and results.

[tenacity1]

not that I've noticed my osts being read at all... well what does it matter so here goes.. I gave up on looking for heroes decades ago. Human beings are flawed and most times awfully judgmental. Picking on someone to discredit them is time wasted. we each take from this earth what we give to it. Kindness is not a silly thing and the way some folks sling words smells to me of ego and testosterone poisoned ego at that. This back and forth on many sites and in real life is such wasted energy. As I said once before if we used all this energy to affect positive chnage,w e'd all be in high cotton. There is naught wrong with the adage "do unto others as ye would have done to you." Nothing at all wrong with that.Nor the saying by Gary Trusdeau "check your egos at the door>"

[eileenrose]

On Wilcock, himself:
I've had to finally let go of reading David W.'s work, as lately he has been off (I don't know about his past, before I began reading him 3 years ago).

I attended one of his lectures here in Santa Cruz a few years back so I could get my take on him.
Average person, making extra-ordinary claims, was my personal take on him.

He reminds me of my x-husband. Nice personality, excellent speaking and writing abilities, strong science background (but not a scientist), and prone to making claims he can't substantiate.

Since, at the time, I felt he had honest intentions, I looked more closely at him (so I could do a review of him on-line...as like here) and found some major discreptancies between his supposed on-line persona, of informational guru, and fact.

I can talk about this more if people request it. Pretty much the same as poster #81 says.

I don't feel he is psychic
First of all, I doubt he has any natural intuition, ie He isn't psychic. Why do I feel this? I checked it out personally. I rather not say how (I just did it in an ordinary way....got him off guard).

Second, he taught himself to do dream research, which he calls readings. As he did this in the past, for individuals, and not now, I can't evaluate him on this.
But this is where he is going off (I believe) as he is using his dreams now to predict future events. Not a simple thing to do. Very few are accurate. Mother Shipton, and the usual suspects all are on a short list that he believes he is on. It is only his belief. If he wanted to be taken seriously about this, he should have had himself evaluated by someone who does do predictions (that is what I would have done), ie. vetted himself.

Not my fault if he didn't have the tenacity to seek confirmation.

[Mozart]

I´m against people making prophecies to make money and achieve a spiritual guru status.




Raf ~


You are pissing me off, man.


You are going off half-cocked on BS. WTF?


"Making prophecies to make money?" BS, man. I know the guy and the last thing that he'd do is to try to make money to be a spiritual guru. Like many of us, Wilcock is a seeker of truth, but he has made far more of an effort to put together discoveries done by many scientists, most of whom would NEVER been heard, if it were not for Wilcock's efforts to shed light on their valuable discoveries.





I´m against people who manipulate pictures in order to resemble a wise person from the past, in this case, Edgar Cayce, in order to falsely acquire his credibility.




Raf -- YOU ARE FULL OF IT with this one, man! David's connections with Cayce goes far beyond mere pictures of the two resembling each other -- astrological correlations that have millions-to-one odds of matching up, etc.


Read this for your self, man:

http://www.divinecosmos.com/start-here/articles/35-wilcock-and-cayce-an-extraordinary-astrological-recapitulation





I´m against people who sold the idea that ascension would happen in the year 2000, and then, when nothing happened, erased his footprints and changed the ascension date to 2012, in order to earn some more money.




Dude I was there in his discussion forum back before the year 2000 -- starting in 1997 and I don't recall him talking about ascension happening in the year 2000. Hell, no, he did not talk about ascension that year. And he DID talk about 2012.


David was nearly always financially-challenged and it's only been in the last few months of last year where he finally started to have enough leftover money on hand at the end of each month to have a little, bitty bit of breathing room financially -- and it's not enough money to even brag about at all.


Every single month before that it's been a unending struggle for him. I've donated money to him and he was always very grateful for my donations to him.





If something extraordinary happens, and David Wilcock ends up being correct after all, I promise to publicly apologize for my lack of faith. You have my word for it. I´ll personally send him a letter of apologize.




You damn well are going to write that letter of apology and I'd suggest that you start that letter now. And define "extraordinary" ... so that we can have a clear idea of what you have in mind.


And somebody saying that Wilcock claimed to be Rasputin? WTF? He's never, ever said that.


And regarding ascension itself -- it's an event that has a two-year time window, per the Ra Material, that starts at Dec, 2011 and ends at Dec, 2013 ... so it's entirely possible that Dec 21, 2012 could come and go and be like just any other day ... pushing the ascension into the following year.


But Ra made it very clear that it's like a "clock that strikes the hour" and that it WILL happen.


And you still insist that Wilcock made that failed Oct 8, 2008 prediction? It was Blossom Goodchild, man ... WTF are you saying that Wilcock allegedly made this prediction?


~Mozart

[UnrealDreams]

David Wilcock has revealed much of what the modern education establishment does not want us to know, such as the life force energy(Chi, Aether, Orgone whatever you want to call it) they have been supressing for hundreds, probably thousands of years. But, if you discount Wicock's thoeries just because he made a few false predictions, then you are missing out on the most revealing information I have ever come across. Wilcock has explained many things that our modern education system has got flat-out wrong. If you aren't reading those books, you will be left in the dark about these subjects. I haven't even got to Source Field Investigations yet, and he has already exposed the modern education system for the fraud it is.

Anyone who has ever made predictions has screwed up. That's why people lose credibility in my book when they reveal exact dates for things to happen. If anything, Wilcock is certainly gullible judging by his involvement in the Drake scenario. He has done too much to advance modern sciences to discredit him for a few bad predictions. Nostrodamus predicted a huge Earthquake with the recent planetary alignment, but May 20 came and went and....nothing. No huge Earthquake hit. There were no mass casualties. I guess Nostradamus was a fraud, too??
Yes, Wilcock is bringing to a wider audience much that the establishment would keep hidden. I wouldn't say that Wilcock has revealed this, or advanced the sciences, because I wouldn't say that his primary contribution is original thinking. Rather I find his strength to be in assembling into a more accessible form, and connecting the dots between, a wide variety of evidence and results.

I agree. If he weren't doing this, who would be? Nassim Haramein is a guy who has the nuts to step outside of the box and conclude that modern science is wrong on many counts. Wilcock has taken it to another level with his books. The truth is, most researchers just accept the lies the establishment has been telling them, even when faced with evidence to the contrary.

We are in the year 2012. There aren't many 'original' works left out there. David Wilcock has 'connected the dots' by studying several other researchers, and he has expanded on that research. He does give them credit as well. It's not like he is claiming that he has done all the preliminary works, most of which were done many years ago. Does that diminish his work? Not in the least.

He is exposing the truth, which I would otherwise not be exposed to. That means a lot to me personally. I have studied these subjects on my own, relating to Wilhelm Reich's work on the 'Orgone' and hit a big dead end. His research is certainly "breakthrough" material and it also 'connects the dots' where the establishments lies leave off.

[eileenrose]

re: "David Wilcock has 'connected the dots' by studying several other researchers, and he has expanded on that research. He does give them credit as well. It's not like he is claiming that he has done all the preliminary works, most of which were done many years ago. Does that diminish his work? Not in the least.", from unrealdreams.

My feelings is that he has passed that stage and that is the reason he is currently not being trusted (at least by a few folks here). What I mean is, once he got popular, he began putting his energy into what he is interested in, which is being more popular, verses doing any real science exploration. He is all about reporting new whistleblower tidbits now....basically he is stealing a page from Kerry and Bill (or so it feels like). And so far, like they found out, it is hit or miss.

And I don't have to be right about this (it could change).

[ThePythonicCow]

We are in the year 2012. There aren't many 'original' works left out there.
There are seldom seriously original works at a foundational level in most years, at least that we ever hear about :).

[Unified Serenity]

EileenRose,


Since, at the time, I felt he had honest intentions, I looked more closely at him (so I could do a review of him on-line...as like here) and found some major discreptancies between his supposed on-line persona, of informational guru, and fact.

I can talk about this more if people request it.

I would like to hear more about what you have discovered.

Thanks

[9eagle9]

Really good accurate psychics tend to have their predictions come to pass. That is after all what defines a psychic, and lends validity to their predictions. If the predicted events actually happen.

There has been a rash of people predicting the future based on their dreams of the past. Certainly these dreams need attention because we tend to keep repeating our history we should look at these dreams of death, destruction, the falling of Atlantis, for what they are and stop thinking being so limited and linear in thinking they are predictive of the future.

[Mozart]

In another thread, RMorgan said:



"Another source is David Wilcock, a prominent researcher of emerging scientific paradigms. Wilcock has been told by additional independent sources that extraterrestrial disclosure will take place by the end of 2009. He furthermore claimed in a Coast to Coast AM radio interview that “a 2-hour international TV special has already been booked that will introduce an alien species, similar to humans, to the world.”



Another bullsh!t example.


It was not Wilcock's prediction of disclosure to be done by Obama at the end of 2009 (the actual date was Nov 27th) at all.


This date -- Nov 27th -- was given to Wilcock and several other people about the possibility of Obama getting up on TV with those two hours of time being booked in advance.


But someone whom Wilcock knows (and I know personally, too) blew it by publicly disclosing prior to Nov 27th about the plans of ET/UFO disclosure, so of course, it never happened.


Raf -- you've 'done gone and done' a damn smear job on Wilcock and going off half-cocked on bullsh!t accusations. WTF is going on with you, man?


I want to make it very clear that the end-of-2009 disclosure was NOT a prediction, nor a prophecy by Wilcock! And you -- Raf -- are trying to make it look like a failed prediction. WTF?


~Mozart

[eileenrose]

EileenRose,


Since, at the time, I felt he had honest intentions, I looked more closely at him (so I could do a review of him on-line...as like here) and found some major discreptancies between his supposed on-line persona, of informational guru, and fact.

I can talk about this more if people request it.

I would like to hear more about what you have discovered.

Thanks

Hi, I found two major discreptancies with David.
The first, post #81 describes it perfectly. His information sources arn't his own research (and I am fine if I am wrong on part of this...time will tell for sure), they are other's research.

And those other researches used other people's research as well.

And, as you go down that rabbit hole you find that the original person, who came up with the theories he is talking about, like (am I sorry if I end up wrong...but, like Sitchen), have been discredited....but you don't know that, now, because....people are thinking these things he is alluding too are facts....but they are almost all just opinions.

He has very few actual facts. Just the lay lines (they exist....but I feel we dont' have any understanding, yet, as to what they are...even if he thinks he knows), pictures of crop circles (but I don't necessarily agree with his few interpretations...which feel, again, like other's invention) and so on. I stopped trying to break it all down after I realize he just can't be trusted (with the facts)....too much personality/money/energy involved.

Is that what you were asking?

Or how I check out if he had psychic abilities?

[UnrealDreams]

We are in the year 2012. There aren't many 'original' works left out there.
There are seldom seriously original works at a foundational level in most years, at least that we ever hear about :).

I agree again!! The reason we never hear about these things is because of the network of killers and disinfo agents(debunkers) who actively supress this type of information. Most people would not risk their lives to release this information. My understanding of this is why I really admire and respect Wilcock.

[9eagle9]

The person who predicted earlier that I would throw up in my hand....?

It just came true.

you're good!

[Unified Serenity]

Thanks EileenRose,

I appreciate what you have shared. It's not important how you satisfied yourself. I know he isn't a psychic so I'm not too bothered by others views on that aspect of DW.

Regarding the checking the sources, this seems to be a very important factor in most alternative info material. The whole Zeitgeist movement material about the whole "false Messiah" or "many other figures with same story line of Jesus" section was very well proven to be a bunch of misapplied historical data that proved to be false. Those who love the information about astro theology refuse to give clear thought to the fact that all those supposed stories came over 100 years after the story of Jesus life, but hey it sounds good so it must be true. It threw me for a loop for a while, but now it makes total sense that of course they can write anything after the fact and apply it to earlier figures and myths.

Anyhow, I'm glad you brought that aspect up. I know of one researcher who is pretty ticked with DW's taking of their research data and completely misapplying it to prove some point. I won't claim to be a scientist so I can't deal with certain things, but I've never read anything by DW that I had not come across before and yet people are so impressed with his work.

¤=[Post Update]=¤


The person who predicted earlier that I would throw up in my hand....?

It just came true.

you're good!

It's contagious!

¤=[Post Update]=¤


thanks eileenrose,

i appreciate what you have shared. It's not important how you satisfied yourself.

get your mind out of the gutter khal!

[eileenrose]

We are in the year 2012. There aren't many 'original' works left out there.
There are seldom seriously original works at a foundational level in most years, at least that we ever hear about :).

I agree again!! The reason we never hear about these things is because of the network of killers and disinfo agents(debunkers) who actively supress this type of information. Most people would not risk their lives to release this information. My understanding of this is why I really admire and respect Wilcock.

I respect this post and I like, from you, some facts to go along with it. I mean what are you thinking? What information? The most recent? That is the information that may or may not work out and has little to zero to do with his earlier work (which is his work and not just whistleblower conjecture).

It is hard to respond to 'I just like him' post (which is fine....but why keep re-posting it, other to take this thread off topic?).

I like him, in the past. But I never let my personal feelings totally take over when it comes to the internet and people trying to pass themselves off as something they arn't. It isn't helping (all of us figure this all out....you know...our little universes...).

He can do better...that is my goal for him, anyway.

[Carmody]

Heard good things about this book ("The Source Field Investigations" (http://amzn.com/0525952047)). I know you're a bit of a technical thinker Paul, so let us know what you think of it when you've finished fella. :)

It's a mixed bag so far.

I separate in my mind the Wilcock who authored this book from the Wilcock who has been involved in the recent Drake, Fulford stories. I've been no fan of Drake or Fulford, so Wilcock's supporting them earns no street-cred in my corner.

The book so far is promoting the case that there is some "Source Field" integrating and organizing all that is, unseen by conventional science or understanding. But it is making this case in a way that would not convince me in the slightest, if I wasn't willing to consider that possibility already.

A snip from this Amazon review (http://www.amazon.com/review/R15B49SFB8CS6Z/ref=cm_cr_pr_perm?ie=UTF8&ASIN=0525952047&nodeID=&tag=&linkCode=) says it pretty well:




I think that the most bothersome aspect of the author is his habit of suggesting his own speculation, then adding this or that tantalising bit of material from here or there that 'seems' to support it, then moves on with a 'we have learned this...' or 'it is obvious that...' or 'clearly, it can be seen...' as he adds in more speculation on his part and picks and chooses more science (good? rigorous? junk?) to support his new level of speculation or set of presumptions. I think that Wilcock is right about at least some things, but his method of marshalling and assessing evidence could have been a little more careful.

In my words, Wilcock is trying to persuade the reader how wonderful and true his insight is by the quantity of references he can assemble which, in his interpretation, support this insight. I get the distinct impression, as I read, that were I to drill down into these references, I would find that many of them did not support the interpretation that Wilcock gave them. It's the same impression I get when reading main stream media's popularizations of medical research.

I suspect his book is best received by those who want to hear or already agree with what it claims to be investigating and supporting.

My preference, in works that explore new foundational understanding, is for works with a clarity, depth, precision, elegance of concepts and accurate connections to select evidence that best exemplifies these concepts. Trying to dazzle me with all many "stunning" supporting examples, each glossed over in a page or three, will not earn a space on my long term "best books" shelf. I prefer 100 pages of conceptual clarity and profound insight, to a 500 page compendium presented with breathless excitment.

I have toyed with the idea of explaining David's entire book, page by page.

I decided against it, as the intrusion in the thread would be extreme. Not with regard to detractors but via sheer sharing and enthusiasm.

[9eagle9]

I've toyed with the idea of breaking down the bull**** in it page by page for the same reasons.

Plus I'm no longer unhappy with notion of millions of sheep getting sheered.

it is after all what they want.

[eileenrose]

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I have toyed with the idea of explaining David's entire book, page by page.

I decided against it, as the intrusion in the thread would be extreme. Not with regard to detractors but via sheer sharing and enthusiasm.

If you do decide to share it, (maybe start a thread), I am fine going over some of the points he has made. I might learn something....still open regarding his work....just not very happy with his recent going ons. But if you do, I will look at the book work critically. No mushy stuff (I am quite over him....and investigate everything...myself, now).

[tenacity1]

what if he's right? What if David Wicock is just doing what his gut tells him to do Give the man a break.. believe him or not..I feel he is trying to be of service and the fact that he's stepped outside the box makes him a target for all kinds of stuff. Not that I share his beliefs, in fact I don't really read/share any new info regarding all this stuff. Yet, he has a right to be who he is just as I do. Why does all discourse in up in bashing others? that's what I wonder.. For me the truest people are the Native American teachings HOPI especially .I am part Cherokee and things we believed got my ancestors forced marched across America.. what is truth/meat for some, is poison for otyhers.I'm on a musical reference roll tonight .in regards of others peoples words "let it be" Beatles

[Mozart]

I've toyed with the idea of breaking down the bull**** in it page by page for the same reasons.

Plus I'm no longer unhappy with notion of millions of sheep getting sheered.

it is after all what they want.


WTF makes you think that the Source Field Investigations book is bull****?

[ThePythonicCow]

I have toyed with the idea of explaining David's entire book, page by page.

I decided against it, as the intrusion in the thread would be extreme. Not with regard to detractors but via sheer sharing and enthusiasm.

As another poster mentioned above, this could make for an interesting thread in its own right.

[eileenrose]

what if he's right? What if David Wicock is just doing what his gut tells him to do Give the man a break.. believe him or not..I feel he is trying to be of service and the fact that he's stepped outside the box makes him a target for all kinds of stuff. Not that I share his beliefs, in fact I don't really read/share any new info regarding all this stuff. Yet, he has a right to be who he is just as I do. Why does all discourse in up in bashing others? that's what I wonder.. For me the truest people are the Native American teachings HOPI especially .I am part Cherokee and things we believed got my ancestors forced marched across America.. what is truth/meat for some, is poison for otyhers.I'm on a musical reference roll tonight .in regards of others peoples words "let it be" Beatles

When he became involved with whistleblowers (over the last six months, from my standpoint), I stopped 'giving him the benefit of the doubt'. Just because the information from these types is very powerful....and power doesn't always means 'good'.

I believe we were giving him leeway. Tons of it. He has a nice persona. But that doesn't stop the fact that he has changed many people lives....with his current information....which has little to do with his early work (from my standpoint...as I said...I don't keep up with everything he puts out....but I did read his entire website...for the last three years and watch the videos...and went to a lecture). You can't compare someone's work about crop circles to work about changing the direction of an entire nation (or did I miss something in his recent posts?). Apples...oranges.

[Anchor]

@Mozart: Thanks for what you have said on this thread.

I do not know David Wilcock personally :)

I liked the SFI book too, its good stuff and I can see why Carmody is passionate about it.

@The detractors assembled:

A lot of people are alleging facts and the only substance behind that is someone else alleging it on another forum. This is stupid.

You cannot prove he is deliberately lying. You cannot prove he is intentionally manipulating people knowing he is using flawed data.

You cannot prove his motives in making lifestyle changes, or doing his hair differently is related to an attempt at deception.

No doubt he is as flawed as the rest of us humans. Personally I think David's "public" ego is being used against him and in that he is doing himself no favors. Maybe stepped up to punish him for the SFI book, or to try to "control the narrative".

For my part, I think that the service he has done for others has very probably outweighed any service he has done for himself - and I say that even though I no longer choose not to read his blogging.

[Carmody]

I'm passionate about how many it can reach, to bring about their opening.

Each of those individual openings is to be valued as much as life itself.

How can one detract from that, without harming themselves in the process?

The point is that it moves in scientific directions, which is in itself, nearly unique.

And thus, critical.

[Sesan]

I am very saddened by this thread. Seems once again I find myself pondering leaving Avalon for good. I no longer get those positive vibes from this site that I once did. Threads like this are a big reason why. I feel anger, frustration and disgust once again. David Wilcock, amongst others has done so much good for humanity and has brought so many people out the the darkness. His book is amazing and a favorite of mine. Seems that there are those who have made it a mission to discredit him at every possible opportunity. So very sad.

Some here have lost sight of the forest for all the trees. I question why some are here????? Divide and conquer perhaps? It's working in my oppinion. I cherish those friends who I have met here at Avalon. For this I am greatful I and fully believe that I was truly supposed to come here on my life's path. Now perhaps it is time to move to another path for I fear Avalon no longer leads to where I am supposed to be going.

Attack if you may. I really could care less anymore. I take my hat off to those who have the courage to step out into the public's 'firing squads' with the hopes of making a difference no matter what the cost. To sacrifice their own reputation, family, freedom, etc.... I commend them.
Sesan (Dave)

[Carmody]

And Rmorgan,and United are instigating the leaving of good people, via their projections of outrage and anger. they are not unique in this.
For what reasons?

Ultimately I suspect, they feel their reasons are altruistic.

But their tone, their undercurrent, the feel, is all wrong. and..faulted.

It brings about the opposite.

We are between two eclipses, right now.


Passion will rule unless we are aware of this sort of impetus from the changed and intense vibrations. I myself am impassioned by this eclipse series. As we all are.

[eileenrose]

I'm passionate about how many it can reach, to bring about their opening.

Each of those individual openings is to be valued as much as life itself.

How can one detract from that, without harming themselves in the process?

The point is that it moves in scientific directions, which is in itself, nearly unique.

And thus, critical.

Are you referring to his book, his website, his lectures (which ones...he does different types...some on dreams, some on recent science discovers re: aliens, and so on)?

I believe you are referring to his book (fine if wrong).

As someone mentioned (two other's besides myself), good time for a thread about it. I am not interested (I already know his material that I suppose ..is in his book....as he posts almost everything on his website....which I love him for) myself in starting it...I didn't read the book. And would be fine (even maybe great) to see us go through it here (more interesting that this thread's topic...probably....sorry...I hate dissing people for no reason...ie we are picking on 'everything' about him...which I am not really into).

[Carmody]

I'm passionate about how many it can reach, to bring about their opening.

Each of those individual openings is to be valued as much as life itself.

How can one detract from that, without harming themselves in the process?

The point is that it moves in scientific directions, which is in itself, nearly unique.

And thus, critical.

Are you referring to his book, his website, his lectures (which ones...he does different types...some on dreams, some on recent science discovers re: aliens, and so on)?

I believe you are referring to his book (fine if wrong).

As someone mentioned (two other's besides myself), good time for a thread about it. I am not interested (I already know his material that I suppose ..is in his book....as he posts almost everything on his website....which I love him for) myself in starting it...I didn't read the book. And would be fine (even maybe great) to see us go through it here (more interesting that this thread's topic...probably....sorry...I hate dissing people for no reason...ie we are picking on 'everything' about him...which I am not really into).

The book.

It is broadly distributed and placed on many a retail bookshelf.

When I say the book, I mean go through it in every sentence and concept. In laymans terms, in scientific detail. Explicitly so.

[ThePythonicCow]

When I say the book, I mean go through it in every sentence and concept. In laymans terms, in scientific detail. Explicitly so.

That could be good (and long :)).

[David Hughes]

Here's a link to a lecture by Wilcock about The Source Field Investigations:

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[UnrealDreams]

We are in the year 2012. There aren't many 'original' works left out there.
There are seldom seriously original works at a foundational level in most years, at least that we ever hear about :).

I agree again!! The reason we never hear about these things is because of the network of killers and disinfo agents(debunkers) who actively supress this type of information. Most people would not risk their lives to release this information. My understanding of this is why I really admire and respect Wilcock.

I respect this post and I like, from you, some facts to go along with it. I mean what are you thinking? What information? The most recent? That is the information that may or may not work out and has little to zero to do with his earlier work (which is his work and not just whistleblower conjecture).

It is hard to respond to 'I just like him' post (which is fine....but why keep re-posting it, other to take this thread off topic?).



Actually, if you go back and read my previous posts, you will see that I do give a lot more than "I like him" and in the above quote I was simply responding to another poster....not sure how any of that could be construed as off-topic.



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I could never explain this to you in the context of this thread. Perhaps Carmody will start another thread for those unfarmiliar with his work.....

I am not trying to change anyone else's mind. The material is there. Do with it what you wish. My main point is that if you dismiss his earlier work because of the Drake stuff, or if you dismiss his new work based on his supposed failed predictions, then you are selling yourself short.

[Unified Serenity]

It's quite funny that people feel the need to vent about the thread being negative and say negative things about the thread and various people. If you don't want to hear negative things, why not stay off such threads? I think you all are masochists.

Edit:

It also strikes me that if those who actually do believe DW has made false predictions were the only ones posting on this thread then it would not have the "negative" tone it has. You who disagree regarding DW and his motives are trying to stop others from sharing their thoughts, and that in itself is negative.

[Unified Serenity]

We are in the year 2012. There aren't many 'original' works left out there.
There are seldom seriously original works at a foundational level in most years, at least that we ever hear about :).

I agree again!! The reason we never hear about these things is because of the network of killers and disinfo agents(debunkers) who actively supress this type of information. Most people would not risk their lives to release this information. My understanding of this is why I really admire and respect Wilcock.

I respect this post and I like, from you, some facts to go along with it. I mean what are you thinking? What information? The most recent? That is the information that may or may not work out and has little to zero to do with his earlier work (which is his work and not just whistleblower conjecture).

It is hard to respond to 'I just like him' post (which is fine....but why keep re-posting it, other to take this thread off topic?).



Actually, if you go back and read my previous posts, you will see that I do give a lot more than "I like him" and in the above quote I was simply responding to another poster....not sure how any of that could be construed as off-topic.



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Read "shift of the ages" "science of oneness" and "divine cosmos" for free here:
http://divinecosmos.com/start-here/books-free-online

I could never explain this to you in the context of this thread. Perhaps Carmody will start another thread for those unfarmiliar with his work.....

I am not trying to change anyone else's mind. The material is there. Do with it what you wish. My main point is that if you dismiss his earlier work because of the Drake stuff, or if you dismiss his new work based on his supposed failed predictions, then you are selling yourself short.

How does any of what you said apply to the topic of this thread? This is not a thread to discuss all of David's works and how worthy they are. This is a thread specifically about his false predictions. Please start another thread if you don't want to discuss the topic of this thread.

[SilentFeathers]

Wilcock chose to live the life as he does in a very controversial field(s). in a group of it's own so to speak with the likes of other controversial people such as Hoagland, Hancock, Dunn, Nastradamus, Cayce, etc etc etc....Even the likes of Camelot and Avalon. The list goes on and on and on......

Every one of these researchers and out of the box thinkers can be dismantled if you look deep enough and have the desire to dismantle or debunk them.

Those of us on this forum are probably considered fruit loops by many just because we think outside of the box and don't follow the status quo of conditional thinking prescribed by the puppetmaster(s).

Wilcock does what he does most likely because it's what he believes in and wants to do which is his right (or wrong)....it doesn't matter to me, if he wants to believe he is Cayce reincarnated, good, more power to him and I hope it works for him! lol! I take what I can use or accept from Wilcock and tie it in to other researchers work if I can, mix it around a bit with my own belief system if possible, and make it what I can or want to be part of my own truth.....a part of my own path. I allow no one to force it down my throat and some theories or rhetoric have no part in my life and I just simply walk away from them and move on............

Personally for me this thread has served it's purpose, be it right or wrong, good or bad, and I have other things to do now, I have my own controversial things to attend too :)

[9eagle9]

Some people don't think, love, they know.



I've toyed with the idea of breaking down the bull**** in it page by page for the same reasons.

Plus I'm no longer unhappy with notion of millions of sheep getting sheered.

it is after all what they want.


WTF makes you think that the Source Field Investigations book is bull****?

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Posted by Carmody (here)
I'm passionate about how many it can reach, to bring about their opening.

Right there is why you get your knickers in a wad when your hero is critiqued.

One does not approach saving humanity with passion, its approached with compassion.

[wobbegong]

I stopped reading Wilcock's work after I heard his Ra channeling (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xT2w_36zviI) , which is obviously fake.

[RMorgan]

And Rmorgan,and United are instigating the leaving of good people, via their projections of outrage and anger. they are not unique in this.
For what reasons?

Ultimately I suspect, they feel their reasons are altruistic.

But their tone, their undercurrent, the feel, is all wrong. and..faulted.

It brings about the opposite.

We are between two eclipses, right now.


Passion will rule unless we are aware of this sort of impetus from the changed and intense vibrations. I myself am impassioned by this eclipse series. As we all are.

Hi mate,

This is not personal. I´m not judging you or your personality, since I don´t even know you, but you seem to be a nice guy.

First of all, there is no tone here. I´m a good writer, but in Portuguese.

Whenever I turn on my "translation mode", I can´t really write my thoughts accurately, just like I can´t preserve my "tone".

If you speak a second language, you probably know what I´m talking about.

About my reasons, I must confess that initially, when I started to investigate Wilcock, they were quite selfish in fact.

I just wanted to know if I could trust the guy or not. I´m not the kind of guy who gets easily fooled.

In my opinion, the best way to systematically prove that someone is right, is by going through all his claims and use your own knowledge and research to try to prove he´s wrong.

Then, if you can´t actually disprove his claims and premises, the guy is probably right, at least right enough for your current level of knowledge.

I consider this method much better than just opening your mouth and allowing other people to shove down their truths down your throat, without questioning.

Unfortunately, after a few years reading and listening to Wilcock´s information, and after making my own investigation, I came to the conclusion that he´s not reliable and that he´s trying to obtain an spiritual guru status exploring the possibility of ascension for more than 12 years, just like he´s trying to absorb Edgar Cayce´s good reputation by self proclaiming himself as his reincarnation, just like he made predictions that never happened, just like he made each one of his family members to pose on pictures to look like the reincarnation of some important persons from the past and so on...

During my research, I´ve found many other persons who think just like me and pointing the same flaws. If you google David Wilcock Fraud, you´ll see that as well.

So, once I saw that a lot of good people here are blindly believing anything that this man says, I´ve decided to share my thoughts (that´s the altruistic part, if you would like to say so) because I´m not comfortable seeing good people getting fooled.

I´m not actually trying to convince anyone here, since I know it´s an impossible task. You know, like Mark Twain used to say, "It´s easier to fool people than to convince them they were fooled".(or something like that).

All I´m doing is to show part of my research, that leads to certain conclusions. Anyone who is interested in the subject is free to go on and research more. I´m showing a bunch of collected data.

Anyway, this whole thing is becoming quite irrelevant. Soon 2012 will be over and then we will see.

Then we´ll be able to make a final statement about this whole subject.

Until then, everyone is free to believe what they want. Just make sure to not blindly believe anything.

Anyway, like Unified Serenity said, if people actually truly believed Wilcock and his mass ascension stuff, so why they just don´t go selling everything and start living on nature, just waiting for it to happen?

I mean, you can´t half-believe something. You believe it or not.

In can understand it. Sometimes, pretending to believe is a much more secure option than to actually believe something.

People are just getting smarter and that´s a good sign. One thousand years ago, many people gave everything to the church, waiting for the rapture, and when nothing happened the church didn´t return the gifts. I´m happy this is not happening again.

So, to sum up, the info is here. Investigate it as deeply as you can and take your own conclusions, if you wish. If you wish just to believe it, go ahead. If you choose not to believe it, go ahead.

However, my advice is to never simply believe anything, even what you´re reading here, right now.

Go make your research, as unbiased as possible, and then take your conclusions.

Cheers,

Raf.

[Wind]

David has done some silly things, like joined with Fullford or this "Drake" guy, but I think he is right about this ascension stuff. He is a researcher and a lecturer, not a hoaxer. If that's what he does for a living then that's good for him! Some people here seem to be a little jealous? He seems to have an ego, but don't we all? Duh!

I think threads like this are full of negative energy and they do nothing good to Avalon. Like restricting the channeling stuff was so stupid thing to do, many good people left this forum because of it. Some people are just driven by their egos and their "minds". Think with your heart, not your mind!

People, just take the chill pill and relax. Don't take life so seriously. It's all just a game.

[Unified Serenity]

David has done some silly things, like joined with Fullford or this "Drake" guy, but I think he is right about this ascension stuff. He is a researcher and a lecturer, not a hoaxer. If that's what he does for a living then that's good for him! Some people here seem to be a little jealous? He seems to have an ego, but don't we all? Duh!

I think threads like this are full of negative energy and they do nothing good to Avalon. Like restricting the channeling stuff was so stupid thing to do, many good people left this forum because of it. Some people are just driven by their egos and their "minds". Think with your heart, not your mind!

People, just take the chill pill and relax. Don't take life so seriously. It's all just a game.

So, Starseed, you really believe the paradigm will change at the end of 2012 and you will ascend?

[Wind]

So, Starseed, you really believe the paradigm will change at the end of 2012 and you will ascend?

Yes, that is my belief, but I'm not saying that it is the ultimate truth. No one knows for sure when the shift will happen, but it will probably happen very soon.

[9eagle9]

Another Rapture.

Franchised just like Rambo.

[9eagle9]

Unfortunately when I have asked my higher self what is out there in the world that could be compared to David Wilcock, parable fashion, my Self keeps insisting its Shawn Cassidy.

So then I get angry at the the self and tell it to be serious and it keeps replying, Serious about what?

[Davy]

Thanks for clarifying all of these failed predictions, Really sheds some light on the validity of what he is saying today. Even though I like David, Truth is the truth and how can we believe Him now with all His failed predictions.

[9eagle9]

I'm not entirely awful I fully intend on supporting David when he opens his chain of drive through restaurants that feature fast Last Suppers.

I'm sort of a foodie though.

[Unified Serenity]

I'm sure in keeping with the right vibration they will feature an all vegan menu because only vegans are on the true vibrational path of enlightenment. Wait, didn't DW say he eats meat? Hmmm, guess I like that about him.

[Arrowwind]

II'm glad I just did this mental exercise. The next time DW asks you to buy some book, donate, or pay for some conference where he can predict another dozen things and tell you all how you are going to ascend and disclosure is surely happening, just remember what I said here. Why would he need money if he is ascending?

Exactly... he needs money because clearly he is not ascending.

Many years ago, one of my first teachers taught me Reiki, long before we knew such technique here in the states as "Reiki"
There was no fee charged. He did accept donations in a little box that was off in the corner that was never mentioned.
He told me that the truth must always be free.
That we have the right to heal each other and to be a free channel.
He told me that the possibilities were endless
that all true wisdom was free and would come to you if you but asked for it.

he further explained to me that if his work was right and true that what money or support was necessary would spontaneously manefest from the good hearts that could see and that the universe would support him... his work did not count on me or on any other person. this he told me when gently scolding me for not coming to learn because I had no money to put in his donations box.

that was when I learned about the power of the old biblical saying,,, ask and you shall receive, knock and it shall be opened.
All the things of most worth that I have learned cost nothing or next to nothing and the universe provides for me according to my sacred dream, ever unfolding

If DW were for real, I think he could do much much more without his books, without his hype, without his fear mongering, without his excuses, without his emotional drivil and without exciting his followers into emotional states surrounding events that do not happen. Clearly he has a magnetic or magical appeal to some but his work is not matching the expectations that he projects.

and yes, as far as I can tell he has not really written anything new or revelatory, just encapsulations of the same old same old.

Chirst did much much more without a dime.... as well as Edgar Cayce... who was not paid for his readings... and who never wrote a book... but yet the people gathered around him and created an enduring educational structure as they have done with other greats such as Yogananda. Look only to their unevolved diciples to inflate fees and make access more difficult.

As long as people believe that the truth must be paid for, that knowledge comes with a price tag, and things are only worth their monetary cost, so it will be. We must get past this in order to evolve. Such belief has been the downfall of the newage movement (as well as others) into materialism.

You cannot walk the walk of evolution until you give up the old paradigm
and it is a process filled with many baby steps along the way, doubts,
trials and retrials until the energy workings are grokked.

[Unified Serenity]

Hey Arrowwind,

I have zero problems with researchers and writers charging for a book. I have no problem with a psychic or energy workers charging to help someone on their path. Some give their lives to developing skills few in society bother to try to develop but want the results of such dedication by those who give decades to learning how energy works. Most never grasp the true meaning of what you said,


He told me that the possibilities were endless
that all true wisdom was free and would come to you if you but asked for it.

that was when I learned about the power of the old biblical saying,,, ask and you shall receive, knock and it shall be opened.
All the things of most worth that I have learned cost nothing or next to nothing.They don't receive because they do not ask or the ask with wrong intentions which is a divided heart imho. Only by pure focused desire that fulfills the highest need will people walk in that way. I have seen it happen many times, and I have experienced it myself. My issue with DW is his fruit does not equate to what he preaches, and it brings into the open for us to examine ourselves and our motives. None are so pure in this world to be without some fault. The issue I have is when every time someone who has proven not to walk the talk opens their mouth and others run and repeat it like its some great thing. Drake won't be the last to create drama by proclaiming some false information. DW won't be the last to repeat others work and try to take the glory and portray themselves as above debate. When was the last time DW talked with someone who disagreed with him and challenged him to answer questions and such? I've never seen him answer anyone's questions about his past. If it's out there, please post the link.

[Lettherebelight]

I'm still trying to work out what they mean by 'ascension'....actually, I'm not really.

I think it means different things to different people...

--awakening of consciousness
--learning more about everything
--changing dimensions
--going to heaven
--just going off planet
--using an escalator

...and probably many others!

[Arrowwind]

Hey Arrowwind,

They don't receive because they do not ask or the ask with wrong intentions which is a divided heart imho. Only by pure focused desire that fulfills the highest need will people walk in that way. I have seen it happen many times, and I have experienced it myself..

And this is largley the crux of the whole matter. Learning how to ask for what has been taught to us as impossible to ask for is a task in and of itself. It does take a shift... an ascension, if you will. But I will warn that if one asks for what will damage another then Karma will weild a heavy hand one way or another. DW, I suspect does not ask correctly nor without a divided heart. If you ask and do not get what you think you should and then start manipulating the gift that you did get, you will never get what your highest self seeks. Learning how to recognize what comes to you for what it is is a part of the equation. If you ask for lofty things how can you expect to recognize them when they come since you have not had lofty things before? One must learn to see what is before their eyes... and again, this is another slice of personal evolution to experience and know.

[Sebastion]

Methinks I would be mildly surprised if we had a majority of people on this forum agreeing on exactly what the ascension is. This word gets bandied about like everyone knows exactly what it is.....




I'm still trying to work out what they mean by 'ascension'....actually, I'm not really.

I think it means different things to different people...

--awakening of consciousness
--learning more about everything
--changing dimensions
--going to heaven
--just going off planet
--using an escalator

...and probably many others!

[Arrowwind]

I'm still trying to work out what they mean by 'ascension'....actually, I'm not really.

I think it means different things to different people...

--awakening of consciousness
--learning more about everything
--changing dimensions
--going to heaven
--just going off planet
--using an escalator

...and probably many others!

Ascension believe is based on individuals programing largely or by direct spiritual understanding, therefor it is different for everyone.

Ascension, to me is any level or part of spiritual evolution either within this body you have or while leaving the body you have.
People who are attached to thinking they must leave the planet think that ascension is the evolving of the spirit out of the body
into another heavely realm or dimension or parallel reality. To me, all people clearly ascend when they die for they must therefore dwell in the realm of spirit even if they dont recognize or comprehend it. They make it into what they believe, not necessarily their highest potential

to understand this idea I strongly recommend the movie "What Dreams May Come" with Robin Williams.

[Unified Serenity]

From the moment we are born we begin ascending. From the moment we are born we begin dying. Dying to self to me is the highest spiritual attainment. I believe, even though I dislike the Apostle Paul that he did share many deep spiritual truth, that is what he meant when he said he had learned to be content in all things whether in full or in lack. I also believe that is the purpose of our souls incarnating in the physical world to learn selfless love. To spiritually evolve / ascend to understand what true love, joy, beauty, peace are one must come through a crucible of fire which one has many experiences to appreciate those virtues.

Love your enemies and be kind to them for it is as heaping burning coals upon their heads for what does it matter that you love those who love you, nay rather love those who persecute you, revile you and say evil of you. This is a deep spiritual truth. We can only be who we currently are and that is created by our experiences and our choices in how to respond to events. The moment we choose the lower path is the moment we stop ascending. Taking the high road is most difficult for it is very narrow and you will find few friends on that path, but those whom you do find are true soul mates.

[RMorgan]

Hey folks,

Since this thread is about David Wilcock, we must use his own definition of ascension, otherwise we´ll go off-topic:

"The 3D body and brain does not have the "bandwidth" to handle anywhere near the amount of energy required to run a fourth-density body, never mind the Higher Self. This is why the transition into a fourth-density body, which we call "Ascension," necessitates the transmutation of the physical body."

"Ascension is not simply restricted to an idea like the Christians' saying there is going to be this "rapture," where Jesus comes back and ushers in a thousand years of peace. It's a cosmic event, and has been prophesied in almost every major religious and spiritual tradition that has existed on the face of the Earth."

"What we are leading to is that the entire energy of the Solar System is increasing, and that at some point, it will reach a level where it will transmute all life on the planet. That is when Ascension will be manifest."

"...after this Ascension process has completed; a world without poverty, hunger or pain; a world where full-body levitation, spontaneous healings, instant telepathic communication, and abundant Love are the law of the land."

"You have to leave behind the physical life in order to participate in the Ascension."

Source: http://divinecosmos.com/component/content/53?task=view

So, his view is basically a physical transmutation of matter at both individual and cosmic levels, which will transform humans into another different being, enabling skills like levitation, healing, telepathic communication, etc...

The big question is: Will it happen this year, like most 2012 researchers are claiming?

There´s a deadline involved, just like the year 2000, so we will all know after the end of this year.

Then there will be no need for speculation and we will be able to definitively tell who is lying and who is telling the truth.

As I´ve said before, I don´t believe for a second that it will happen, but if it does, I promise to publicly apologize for my lack of faith and skeptic position.

If it doesn´t happen, I wont accept any sort of excuses trying to justify why it didn´t happen, because, in this case, you can be absolutely sure that some folks will come up with the most fantastic excuses.

Cheers,

Raf.

[Sebastion]

I am wondering what the major definition or prominent definition of ascension actually is/means for 2012? I don't see any major agreement on just exactly what that is.....How can we talk about it if it hasn't been clearly defined on what exactly it is we are talking about to start with?




From the moment we are born we begin ascending. From the moment we are born we begin dying. Dying to self to me is the highest spiritual attainment. I believe, even though I dislike the Apostle Paul that he did share many deep spiritual truth, that is what he meant when he said he had learned to be content in all things whether in full or in lack. I also believe that is the purpose of our souls incarnating in the physical world to learn selfless love. To spiritually evolve / ascend to understand what true love, joy, beauty, peace are one must come through a crucible of fire which one has many experiences to appreciate those virtues.

Love your enemies and be kind to them for it is as heaping burning coals upon their heads for what does it matter that you love those who love you, nay rather love those who persecute you, revile you and say evil of you. This is a deep spiritual truth. We can only be who we currently are and that is created by our experiences and our choices in how to respond to events. The moment we choose the lower path is the moment we stop ascending. Taking the high road is most difficult for it is very narrow and you will find few friends on that path, but those whom you do find are true soul mates.

[Arrowwind]

But that is DWs view and not necessarily accurate. Certainly not my point of view. I do think ascended beings have lived and dwelled in the flesh here on this planet and of course he contradicts himself by first saying it is not possible to manage a 4th density body here on the planet and then saying. Why should I accept his definition when I accept little else of his? Ascension, like United Serenity says is an ever on going process, even if we choose not to recognize it... even if we thwart it.

"...after this Ascension process has completed; a world without poverty, hunger or pain; a world where full-body levitation, spontaneous healings, instant telepathic communication, and abundant Love are the law of the land."

"You have to leave behind the physical life in order to participate in the Ascension."

Clearly there have been very highly evolved people on the planet that do all this stuff. A world without poverty or hunger? in order to note the difference we would need bodies, no?

I am not saying that what he says is not in part possible but I do not think that we have to die. Nor do I think that we need planetary or cosmic changes to make it all happen. this is what all the great teachers, all the great masters, all the great yogi's have been demonstrating for ages. Why should I accept DWs limited belief system?




"

[sunnyrap]

I like William Henry's explanation of the whole ascension/light body question: http://www.unknowncountry.com/revelations/latest
http://www.williamhenry.net/

His material is always factual (based on ancient writings and his own direct experiences) and fascinating. Check him out.

[RMorgan]

But that is DWs view and not necessarily accurate.

Hi my friend,

I´m not saying his view of ascension is accurate or not.

This whole matter of ascension is very subjective and debating about its possibilities will not take us anywhere.

However, if the point of this thread is to debate about him and his claims, we must use his terms, otherwise we´ll just go off-topic.

Besides, there´s a clear deadline involved here, which is 2012, enabling us to take concrete, tangible conclusions out of it.

Cheers,

Raf.

[Sebastion]

Thanks for posting that as I was wondering what david's definition was....





But that is DWs view and not necessarily accurate.

Hi my friend,

I´m not saying his view of ascension is accurate or not.

This whole matter of ascension is very subjective and debating about its possibilities will not take us anywhere.

However, if the point of this thread is to debate about him and his claims, we must use his terms, otherwise we´ll just go off-topic.

Besides, there´s a clear deadline involved here, which is 2012, enabling us to take concrete, tangible conclusions out of it.

Cheers,

Raf.

[Arrowwind]

But that is DWs view and not necessarily accurate.

Hi my friend,

I´m not saying his view of ascension is accurate or not.

This whole matter of ascension is very subjective and debating about its possibilities will not take us anywhere.

However, if the point of this thread is to debate about him and his claims, we must use his terms, otherwise we´ll just go off-topic.

Besides, there´s a clear deadline involved here, which is 2012, enabling us to take concrete, tangible conclusions out of it.

Cheers,

Raf.


I disagree. I will not confine myself to what I consider inaccurate terms. His definations all support his structure which I feel is in error. So If I am to reveal him as I SEE HIM that can only be done through my vision and my persepective on reality. I use my own widsom and experience to navigate the world not his, which is what I believe to be a fabricated story woven to support his illusions. In a sense I view him as quite delusional.

[SilentFeathers]

Besides, there´s a clear deadline involved here, which is 2012, enabling us to take concrete, tangible conclusions out of it.

Cheers,

Raf.

I'm sure when we crawl out of bed on December 22nd, 2012 and we are all still here and can still pick a scab and bleed red, a new theory will be born shortly thereafter about how the calendar and mathematical experts somehow made a mistake in their calculations and 12-21-2013 will become the new targeted date of "ascension" lol!

Personally I do not believe for a second that the "shift" or "ascension" happens over night so to speak. If we are transformed in to some type of "super being", then what? Is that all there is and nothing more? Is there also trials and tribulations there too that we must get through to ascend from there in to another place to be "extra super super beings?".....

I think we as a species are only on the cusp of knowing of what being a super super being is all about, look about you.....we can't even take care of ourselves and others right now, or keep our own "house" in order.....we have ourselves and basically the whole planet in a state of near total chaos.......but yet we have earned the right to VERY soon be turned in to some kind of special super super being of the highest order???? give me a breakl!

Added: sorry to be so "negative"

[Carmody]

"The 3D body and brain does not have the "bandwidth" to handle anywhere near the amount of energy required to run a fourth-density body, never mind the Higher Self. This is why the transition into a fourth-density body, which we call "Ascension," necessitates the transmutation of the physical body."

Yes, that.... as a terminal limit on human physical mental wiring, is somewhere around 250-270, as standard IQ scales are used and enacted.

'Marie Vos Savant', in the books at 257IQ, a number high enough that the weather, health, what she's been eating, astrological conditions, etc, all cause the number to vary by 30 IQ points, or more. Notably more. LSD is on the books as raising IQ by about 20% on average. Note that it works on cross wiring the mind and was very early on a product tied to the CIA and programming of minds.

When we drop the separation of the conscious and sub or super conscious state, or what have you..if the given person is capable, then we get the total package. Which, in a well developed avatar and attached being, terminates at around that level.

This is indicated via cursory studies into hypnotism, psychic sensitivity.. and that of works like Micheal Newton, etc.

it comes down to that point of "When you're one step ahead of the crowd you're a genius. When you're two steps ahead, you're a crackpot."

And this information, for those who rail against it, those folks are probably, at least... two steps back from the data point.

Thus, specifically on the point of human body avatar design and physical wiring and expression into this physical 3d space, His point is in my mind, and experiences ---correct.

Ascension as a subject, is not part of my point making, here. Please don't assume that. thanks.


The world cannot be explained to us, and have that be a solution. We have to grow up ---and into it.

And in many people it is an angry process, at best. That damn body avatar thing, getting it's way with the emotionally driven thinking patterns. And this is a core point of blockage in the individual. Over-amped emotions blocking the thought. Blocking the thinking, blocking the research, always desiring simple answers.

I mean, I could give you 10 pages to explain that simple remark, regarding bodily capacities and limits.

Go ahead, doubt, but read the information and the data before pronouncing it 'not good', or 'good'.

And also, most importantly...try to understand that a change in the self is required to process difficult information. The universe is not about me, nor it is about you. No matter how much our ego/avatars work to tell us so.

[RMorgan]

Carmody,

I agree with you on this one.

For some sort of ascension to happen (like Wilcock defines ascension) we would indeed need to transcend the physical body, or at least, go through significant genetic/physiological changes.

What I don´t believe, is that such thing will happen any time soon, mostly, because people are talking about it for more than 2000 years and it never happened.

Of course, there is a possibility that it could happen someday, but it could be tomorrow or 2000 years from now (or maybe never).

What I´m debating here, is that him, along with many other persons, has set a deadline for it, which is 2012. (He did the same in 2000 as well).

Since the basic foundation of his whole work is the 2012 theory, when/if it doesn´t happen, I´m sure his credibility will be damaged beyond repair.

You know, it takes a lot of time and efforts to build up credibility but it takes just a single major mistake to destroy it.

Anyway, I´ll say again that there´s no need to speculate about it, since we´re so close to make a final conclusion about the subject.

Regards,

Raf.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

I'd like to put my drink down long enough to point something out here.

There have been some good points made both supporting and detracting David and his work. Be sure that you distinguish the difference between the two. And I am not talking just about his book. Who he is as a personality is, in my opinion, not fair game for attack. Yes, that's hypocritical of me since I called Drake a liar. But hear me out.

David might be right about everything. David might be wrong about everything. David might be right about some things and wrong about others. That's totally allowed, isn't it?

Now then, if David is an intentional con man and you provide evidence why you think so, I think that's fair too. Just be careful not to use "He was wrong about such and such" as evidence for that. That's not fair. Lots of people of high integrity are wrong about stuff.

Finally, I have seen people saying that David's book is worthless or otherwise "bad" because he just cobbled together other people's work. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Compiling other people's work into a solid presentation and weaving it together with a few conclusions is a perfectly legitimate service. Lynne McTaggart's "The Field" is an excellent example. All McTaggart did was bring together other people's work into one place so it could be viewed together. And it's a fantastic book.

As I have been saying a lot lately, let's discuss and debate, but let's do it right. Mmmkay?

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[Whiskey_Mystic]

What I don´t believe, is that such thing will happen any time soon, mostly, because people are talking about it for more than 2000 years and it never happened.

People of different traditions and cultures would disagree with you.

Examples-

Enoch, Ezekial, Christ, etc.
The rainbow body traditions in Buddhism
The Taoist Immortals.
The Ascended Masters of the Theosophoical traditions.

You see my point. Some of these traditions will also offer "proof" which reinforces their belief. I think Ascension theory would say that the "spiritual physics" of the Earth itself are changing to make this state easier to achieve and eventually we will all get there. It's not a new idea at all, but some speakers seem to act like they came up with it through their research.

[RMorgan]

What I don´t believe, is that such thing will happen any time soon, mostly, because people are talking about it for more than 2000 years and it never happened.

People of different traditions and cultures would disagree with you.

Examples-

Enoch, Ezekial, Christ, etc.
The rainbow body traditions in Buddhism
The Taoist Immortals.
The Ascended Masters of the Theosophoical traditions.

You see my point. Some of these traditions will also offer "proof" which reinforces their belief. I think Ascension theory would say that the "spiritual physics" of the Earth itself are changing to make this state easier to achieve and eventually we will all get there. It's not a new idea at all, but some speakers seem to act like they came up with it through their research.


Hey mate,

I see your point. That´s why I´ve said I don´t believe it.

I respect every culture on Earth. However, believing or not believing, as far as I know, it didn´t happen yet.

Yes, it might happen, or maybe the whole human race will extinguish itself before it happens, or maybe we´ll still be here for another 2000 years and it might never happen.

It´s a complex and subjective subject. We could write a million pages about it and we would probably never reach a conclusion about it.

Is it a myth? Is it a prophecy that will happen someday? I don´t know.

The point is that, for (at least) the last 2000 years , people are setting dates for it and it never happened. So, at least statistically, the probabilities are against it.

If it happens someday, I guess it would take us by surprise and no one would have predicted the right date, if we consider that that predictions/fulfillment ratio for it is something like 1.000.000 - 0.

So, anyone who sells the idea of a certain date for ascension, at least statistically, is most probably wrong in his calculations/premises or is deliberately lying for a purpose.

Anyway, we´ll see...

Cheers,

Raf.

[Carmody]

Finally, I have seen people saying that David's book is worthless or otherwise "bad" because he just cobbled together other people's work. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Compiling other people's work into a solid presentation and weaving it together with a few conclusions is a perfectly legitimate service.

As a matter of fact, it is so valid, that it is at the core of the very nature of the universe. (one of the components thereof)

[SilentFeathers]

The real debate would be actually trying to explain how ascension is not the same thing as the rapture, but with a new age scientific twist.... :)

Added: Isn't that what Wilcock is preaching in a round about way? the rapture with a new age scientific twist???? hmmm????

[RMorgan]

The real debate would be actually trying to explain how ascension is not the same thing as the rapture, but with a new age scientific twist.... :)

It´s exact the same phenomenon, the exact core concept, only described with different words to adapt to a different society and culture.

[SilentFeathers]

The real debate would be actually trying to explain how ascension is not the same thing as the rapture, but with a new age scientific twist.... :)

It´s exact the same phenomenon, the exact core concept, only described with different words to adapt to a different society and culture.

So basically it's safe to say, "There's really nothing new under the sun?" :)

[RMorgan]

So basically it's safe to say, "There's really nothing new under the sun?" :)

Well, about the possible phenomenon where a massive amount of people transcend the physical body to achieve some sort of heavenly state, no, it´s been around for thousands of years under different names, cultures and religious beliefs.

However, as it´s a concept that opens an incredibly huge branch of possibilities and speculation, it´s very easy to adapt it to different times, cultures, religion and circumstances as well, making it looks like it´s a new idea, while, in fact, it´s not; it´s one of the oldest beliefs in history of mankind.

Such conceptual prophetic theory could very well still be part of our culture for an unlimited period of time or until the day when human race is extinguished.

[Arrowwind]

I'd like to put my drink down long enough to point something out here.

There have been some good points made both supporting and detracting David and his work. Be sure that you distinguish the difference between the two. And I am not talking just about his book. Who he is as a personality is, in my opinion, not fair game for attack. Yes, that's hypocritical of me since I called Drake a liar. But hear me out.

He as a personality is not fair game? Hmmm.
He has made a big deal about his personality... being the reincarnate of Cayce... seems he plays that card to the max

http://divinecosmos.com/about-david-wilcock


If a man tell me that the ascenion times are coming and hes on this movie screen all excited and happy and telling us to get ready and then tells us we can get all the details from the book he has just written and here is where you can get it and here is how much it costs... and then the event doen't even take place and then a few years later he says its ascenion time again and the whole movie replays.... well yes, his personality is fair game.

Remember that preacher ( H. Camping) to recently said the end of the world was gonna come last year and some people commited suicide? and when it didnt happen he backed down for a while (actually he had a stroke) but then he came out later and said it would be something like Oct 26, 2011. And that didn't happen either but a woman attempted to kill herself and her two children so they would not have to go through it?

far as I can see there is no difference between DW and Camping except Campings followers might be a tad more desparate. Both were wrong. Both deluded. When a back woods christian preacher does this type of stuff it is laughed off when DW does it it is something else? At least Camping was remorseful for misleading thousands, and as far as I know he wasn't selling any books, but im not sure on that one.


David might be right about everything. David might be wrong about everything. David might be right about some things and wrong about others. That's totally allowed, isn't it?

Now then, if David is an intentional con man and you provide evidence why you think so, I think that's fair too. Just be careful not to use "He was wrong about such and such" as evidence for that. That's not fair. Lots of people of high integrity are wrong about stuff.


I have no evidence that DW is an intentional con man. I put him in the same camp as Harold Camping. Harold is a delusional old fart. DW not so old.


Finally, I have seen people saying that David's book is worthless or otherwise "bad" because he just cobbled together other people's work. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Compiling other people's work into a solid presentation and weaving it together with a few conclusions is a perfectly legitimate service. Lynne McTaggart's "The Field" is an excellent example. All McTaggart did was bring together other people's work into one place so it could be viewed together. And it's a fantastic book.

I would not say worthless but yet nothing really new. I would put it in the classification as spin. I guess I must admit to me they are worthless for I don't purchase them. I just can't keep up with all the books and after the first two that was it for me. I try to put my money where there is worth.


As I have been saying a lot lately, let's discuss and debate, but let's do it right. Mmmkay?

With this I think I will now pick up my drink. ;)

[SilentFeathers]

So basically it's safe to say, "There's really nothing new under the sun?" :)

Well, about the possible phenomenon where a massive amount of people transcend the physical body to achieve some sort of heavenly state, no, it´s been around for thousands of years under different names, cultures and religious beliefs.

However, as it´s a concept that opens an incredibly huge branch of possibilities and speculation, it´s very easy to adapt it to different times, cultures, religion and circumstances as well, making it looks like it´s a new idea, while, in fact, it´s not.

Such conceptual prophetic theory could very well still be part of our culture for and unlimited period of time or until that day when human race is extinguished.

Actually the rapture isn't so old (Darby-1830 if I'm not mistaken), but dying and transcending into the "spirit world" is rather quite old, today they seem now to be one of the same to many.....think I'll take a rain check on this one! :)

Ascension? Rapture? two for sure ways of conquering death if they just somehow miraculously happen before we actually die....I think I'll wait around for the spirit world instead :)

[WhiteFeather]

With Regards to 2012 and Ascension: Indeed some of us are already going through this transformational process also known as the ascension process. And Dec. 21 2012 may just be the so called cyclic event date at 11:11 am. Here's a great definition of ascension by Lisa Renee. I suggest you read this info on transformation and the evolution of consciousness also known as ascension if you have time and an opened mind. Enjoy!

By Lisa Renee:
The purpose of this report is be to explore and to better understand the symptoms we may experience of our physical and energy bodies' "Ascension" (the awakening process), to describe it in detail and further explore various tools for clearing ourselves as smoothly and easily as possible. This article will review the meaning and mechanics of the "Ascension" and discuss the various symptoms that we as humans may encounter in our evolution process. We will share and investigate the symptoms and in future installments explore the impacts it has upon human beings, our planet and consciousness.

It is important to share this information in order to not feel a sense of isolation and fearfrom a myriad of possible unusual experiences that can result from the integration of our higher light-energy bodies that happens during our Ascension process.My desire to share this information comes from my very personal and frightening physical awakening process that dismantled my entire reality and ego in a very short period of time.

I share my experiences with anyone who may need this information as I have had many unusual, mystical and unexplainable manifestations appear in my life since my spontaneous “kundalini” release several years ago. As I had no guru, teacher or mentor to explain it to me, my ego was terrified that I was losing my mind along with my identity in the life I had known up to that point.

Who does one call upon for the "kundalini" flu? Who on Earth do you talkto when you are introduced to other dimensional beings in an organized spiritual hierarchy?

Further, I have had many physical ailments show up during times when the divine force was increased and activated within me. At the time I was most blessed and had teams of Angels and Masters around me, I was emotionally devastated and physically ill as it was exacerbated from my lack of comprehension of what was transpiring.

Now I want to share my experiences to assist anyone who may need this information so that having this knowledge can eradicate the fear of facing the unknown mysteries lying within. Once we go into and are initiated into these mysteries of God, there is no turning back. During these times since the planet is accelerating so quickly into higher frequency patterns, many more people will experience spontaneous awakening and consciousness altering experiences.

Many of these people will not be in spiritual or metaphysical settings when this occurs to them, it will be the office professional, the banker, the average person in the level of the current mass consciousness. The ultimate liberation of our soul comes through this blessing and we as humans must embrace and prepare ourselves for this change that will forever alter the way we perceive reality. This process is the divine destiny of all Humankind and our beautiful planet. We are in an accelerated evolution and it is time to prepare.

The Mechanics of the Shift:

Let us review the meaning of "Ascension" and why we, as humans, will experience physical, emotional and mental symptoms and changes.

Currently we are in a phase transition of expansion into the realms of experiencing higher consciousness as “multidimensional” human beings living on this planet. During this phase of the Ascension cycle, we as human beings will experience many varied physical symptoms as we shift our cells into higher frequency patterns.

Ascension is about the bringing of layers of light, the force existing within the levels of our spiritual bodies (our Multidimensional God Selves) by descending these layers into matter and anchoring them into the physical plane of reality. Simultaneously, Ascension is a shift in energetic frequency patterns held in a dimensional space which, when absorbed and activated into the layers of the planetary and human bio-energetic field, activates its DNA template instruction set.

This catalyzes a chain of events that creates a complete transformation and transmutation of various patterns and programs held in the energetic templates of the Human Soul’s journey within a cycle of evolutionary time. When activated, these patterns begin to shift, re-emerge and clear from the layers of experiences coded into every cell and memory pattern held as an energetic vibration within the bodies.

The Ascension process is about moving the consciousness from one reality to another and the awareness of possible multiple realities existing simultaneously. Since a “reality” is a dimension, what we are undertaking is, in essence, a complete dimensional shift. A dimensional reality is held in place by a complex layer of coded energetic grids to create the illusion of time and spacefor the consciousness to perceive and to participate in its own experience within the broadband widths of that particular range of frequency.

As the dimensional grids shift its frequency and its magnetic attributes change, all things existing within that “broadband” reality will also shift and change in a myriad of ways. The “natural” laws governing that time and space as we know them will change. This also means the perception of our spatial awareness, our relationship to time and space will also change rather dramatically.

Thus, to go through this shift one must prepare and adjust one's way of thinking and being to that which is in alignment with the soul purpose and true divine essence. “Surrender” and “Acceptance” are two main characteristics we will need to allow to permeate through us to facilitate an easier time. In order to shift the old behaviors and thought patterns not serving the soul purpose, we will become aware of the beliefs and behaviors that exist as imbalances within us and we must take the appropriate steps to integrate or clear them. This process will bring our deepest fears, beliefs of limitation and oldpain patterns to the surface through events that trigger them into our awareness so that we can consciously acknowledge, resolve and heal them.

Some of these issues are ancestral or inherited in their nature and may feel rather odd yet familiar when they are is brought to your awareness. It is important to remember that we are not only clearing our own individual“mind” grid,but also the karmic mind implications and collective (un)consciousness implications on this planetfrom the last evolutionary cycle. This way you can reframe the circumstance in your mind to be that which is impersonal and detached from identifying with the specific issue that has risen to the surface to be cleared within your bodies. Appreciate and acknowledge your light being for accepting the assignment for this clearing rather than claiming it as belonging to “you”.

By doing this repeatedly, we clear our emotional and energy bodies of the long held traumas, beliefs and fears that have impeded our ability to experience our true “being” and bring more joy into our lives. Once the emotional body is resolved and cleared of an old pain or trauma, the physical body then is enabled to clear its equivalent of that block.

All of this happens simultaneously within all of the layers of the bio-energetic field when each healing is cleared. In effect, it is a full clearing and release of these painful events held as patterns in the bodies from the soul’s record and cellular memory. And that is pretty awe inspiring when you realize how this will impact the human experience as we move forward!

Also, as these painful patterns are removed from the soul record, the clearing recodes our DNA so it can hold more light, thus sustaining our new frequency and a stateof increasing higher consciousness and multidimensionality. As we hold this greater light and advanced genetic package in our bio-energy field, it enables others, through the principle of resonance, to vibrate at the increased frequency rate and activate their own inner potential and divine inheritance towards Ascension.

Emotional clearing is the main process we will experienceand be acutely aware of as we shift through the Ascension. Since emotional pain and imbalances are responsible for our states of "dis-ease" many of us will experience illness or physical releases of pain clearing from our bodies. Some of this clearing is for your karmic, genetic or ancestral soul lineage. Some of us, as lightworkers, have chosen to clear states of imbalances for the collective or for a specific group and will feel this movement of energy transmute through us, as our energetic being is acting as a “cosmic filtration system” for the greater whole.

The goal of this series is to inform you of these dynamics that we are currently experiencing, and as the energies accelerate to prepare you even further by clearly discussing the various possible physical symptoms from a position of having a “neutral” association. Utilizing what works for you personally by cultivating intuitive discernment with an informed awareness is the intended support of this discussion.

This is to not alarm you, but is used as a tool to keep you informed in order to be self accountable and self sovereign in all of your upcoming choices. We will not be given anything we cannot handle. Much of this can be avoided by being self-aware and taking the time to heal through emotional clearing and listening to yourbodywhen it requests other healing techniques. Spirit has given us many tools for our Ascension toolkit to assist and support our evolution in the easiest possible way.

More Here:
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ascension/esp_ascension_12.htm

[RMorgan]

WhiteFeather,

I have a deep respect for you and you know that.

As I´ve said before, I understand that you are experiencing spiritual growth and I hope you to continue to do so for many years.

In fact, anyone that´s smart enough is always evolving, from the moment of birth to the moment of physical death.

We´re all here to evolve, I believe.

I´m open to the possibility that something like the ascension described by Lisa Renee might indeed happen.

However, I still think that the possibility is almost nonexistent and I don´t believe it will happen by the end of this year or anytime soon.

If it happens, I´ll be happy. If it doesn´t, I´ll be happy as well.

Anyway, like I´ve said, we´ll see how this story ends very very soon.

Cheers,

Raf.

[Unified Serenity]

So basically it's safe to say, "There's really nothing new under the sun?" :)

Well, about the possible phenomenon where a massive amount of people transcend the physical body to achieve some sort of heavenly state, no, it´s been around for thousands of years under different names, cultures and religious beliefs.

However, as it´s a concept that opens an incredibly huge branch of possibilities and speculation, it´s very easy to adapt it to different times, cultures, religion and circumstances as well, making it looks like it´s a new idea, while, in fact, it´s not.

Such conceptual prophetic theory could very well still be part of our culture for and unlimited period of time or until that day when human race is extinguished.

Actually the rapture isn't so old (Darby-1830 if I'm not mistaken), but dying and transcending into the "spirit world" is rather quite old, today they seem now to be one of the same to many.....think I'll take a rain check on this one! :)

Ascension? Rapture? two for sure ways of conquering death if they just somehow miraculously happen before we actually die....I think I'll wait around for the spirit world instead :)

Actually Darby heard it from Mary McDonald in 1830 along with another minister. She said she had a vision and it seemed evil and cold, but it was of the rapture. Unfortunately, these ill educated ministers ran with it, and used what scriptures they thought spoke of it, and they misapplied them. As this is not a bible debate thread, I will leave it at that. Oh, I will add this, that in the O.T. it says God will punish those who teach people to fly to save their souls. The fly away doctrine is very dangerous and those who teach it should reconsider doing so.

[SilentFeathers]

I believe due to the simple facts that we have mega info at our fingertips and can more freely think, speak, and express ourselves (and have expanded our consciousness) without the constant fear of being burned at the stake, that we have ascended quite a bit just in the last 10 years alone. (but our feet are still planted on our mother)

WhiteFeather; Lisa's article was a good read but seemed very new age like and resembles Wilcocks work to some extent. She actually makes more sense to me than Wilcock in how she words things, no disrespect to you WhiteFeather, but this stuff doesn't click with me as deeply as it may with you, and this really has nothing to do with either of us being right or wrong, its just that we all walk our own paths and live our own truths in our own way and time.

[RMorgan]

So basically it's safe to say, "There's really nothing new under the sun?" :)

Well, about the possible phenomenon where a massive amount of people transcend the physical body to achieve some sort of heavenly state, no, it´s been around for thousands of years under different names, cultures and religious beliefs.

However, as it´s a concept that opens an incredibly huge branch of possibilities and speculation, it´s very easy to adapt it to different times, cultures, religion and circumstances as well, making it looks like it´s a new idea, while, in fact, it´s not.

Such conceptual prophetic theory could very well still be part of our culture for and unlimited period of time or until that day when human race is extinguished.

Actually the rapture isn't so old (Darby-1830 if I'm not mistaken), but dying and transcending into the "spirit world" is rather quite old, today they seem now to be one of the same to many.....think I'll take a rain check on this one! :)

Ascension? Rapture? two for sure ways of conquering death if they just somehow miraculously happen before we actually die....I think I'll wait around for the spirit world instead :)

Actually Darby heard if from Mary McDonald in 1830 along with another minister. She said she had a vision and it seemed evil and cold, but it was of the rapture. Unfortunately, these ill educated ministers ran with it, and used what scriptures they thought spoke of it, and they misapplied them. As this is not a bible debate thread, I will leave it at that. Oh, I will add this, that in the O.T. it says God will punish those who teach people to fly to save their souls. The fly away doctrine is very dangerous and those who teach it should reconsider doing so.


Hey US,

What I was saying is that, much before the invention of the words "rapture" or "ascension", the same core concept behind such terms was present in almost every religion and cultures in the whole recorded history of mankind.

We change some things here and there, to adapt to a different condition, but the concept is the same.

Cheers,

Raf.

[SilentFeathers]

So basically it's safe to say, "There's really nothing new under the sun?" :)

Well, about the possible phenomenon where a massive amount of people transcend the physical body to achieve some sort of heavenly state, no, it´s been around for thousands of years under different names, cultures and religious beliefs.

However, as it´s a concept that opens an incredibly huge branch of possibilities and speculation, it´s very easy to adapt it to different times, cultures, religion and circumstances as well, making it looks like it´s a new idea, while, in fact, it´s not.

Such conceptual prophetic theory could very well still be part of our culture for and unlimited period of time or until that day when human race is extinguished.

Actually the rapture isn't so old (Darby-1830 if I'm not mistaken), but dying and transcending into the "spirit world" is rather quite old, today they seem now to be one of the same to many.....think I'll take a rain check on this one! :)

Ascension? Rapture? two for sure ways of conquering death if they just somehow miraculously happen before we actually die....I think I'll wait around for the spirit world instead :)

Actually Darby heard if from Mary McDonald in 1830 along with another minister. She said she had a vision and it seemed evil and cold, but it was of the rapture. Unfortunately, these ill educated ministers ran with it, and used what scriptures they thought spoke of it, and they misapplied them. As this is not a bible debate thread, I will leave it at that. Oh, I will add this, that in the O.T. it says God will punish those who teach people to fly to save their souls. The fly away doctrine is very dangerous and those who teach it should reconsider doing so.


Hey US,

What I was saying is that, much before the invention of the words "rapture" or "ascension", the same core concept behind such terms was present in almost every religion and cultures in the whole recorded history of mankind.

We change some things here and there, to adapt to a different condition, but the concept is the same.

Cheers,

Raf.

I agree Raf, many ancient cultures speak of the "star people" returning or their souls being "taken" to the place of origin in the stars or cosmos after they die......hmmm? ironically wouldn't this make Wilcock correct to some extent in some of his writing/lectures? lol!

[9eagle9]

For people who are actually doing their work concernign it they know what it is even though it may manifest differently or come in in different ways.

For those who are caught in the thrall of the 'well intentioned bs artists' it would have to be a variety of things.

It's a bit more profound and circumstantial than having a David Wilcocks bumper sticker.

There are those who can tell you how to ascend and those who simply talk about ascending.

David hasn't done the sort of ego work that allows for that sort of awareness , he is entirely unaware of what he's mixed up in peddling more information.

Knowing about ascension isn't the same as ascending.


Methinks I would be mildly surprised if we had a majority of people on this forum agreeing on exactly what the ascension is. This word gets bandied about like everyone knows exactly what it is.....




I'm still trying to work out what they mean by 'ascension'....actually, I'm not really.

I think it means different things to different people...

--awakening of consciousness
--learning more about everything
--changing dimensions
--going to heaven
--just going off planet
--using an escalator

...and probably many others!

[RMorgan]

I agree Raf, many ancient cultures speak of the "star people" returning or their souls being "taken" to the place of origin in the stars or cosmos after they die......hmmm? ironically wouldn't this make Wilcock correct to some extent in some of his writing/lectures? lol?

Well, I don´t think so. Not if it doesn´t happen, like it never did.

Specially if it doesn´t happen in 2012, which is the main foundation of his work.

The fact that many civilizations imagined the same concept to rapture/ascension/whatever, doesn´t change that fact that it´s all just a concept and has never become reality.

I would guess this concept is completely connected with the most basic and primitive existential questions, which could never be fully answered.

(Where do we come from? Why are we here? Where do we go when we die?)

Then, we never get tired of speculating about it, even setting dates for events that would ultimately give us the answers to these questions.

In my opinion, this sort of behavior gives us the illusion of having control over our lives, just like beliefs give us the illusion of knowing what we actually don´t know.

Cheers,

Raf.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

He as a personality is not fair game? Hmmm.
He has made a big deal about his personality... being the reincarnate of Cayce... seems he plays that card to the max

What I was trying to say was that whether or not David is a jerk and whether or not his work is valuable are two separate questions. The title of this thread seems to be questioning the validity of his prophetic abilities and so we should not be trashing his personality as evidence that his work is invalid. It isn't "fair" to judge his work based on his personality.

As a person with a "challenging" personality, I hope we don't start going down that road. :cool:

[SilentFeathers]

In my opinion, this sort of behavior gives us the illusion of having control over our lives, just like beliefs give us the illusion of knowing what we actually don´t know.

Cheers,

Raf.

Perhaps this is why we have religion and or dogma's that make us seem "smart". :)

to feel that we have control over our lives and when we spin out of control there is a higher power to take care of us and "fix" things, so that we once again can somewhat feel in control of our lives again :)

[PurpleLama]

Geez, the world ended last year, and hardly anybody even noticed.

Perhaps we should emphasize, in our critique of DW, which predictions were based in his channeling, and other various spiritual sources both ancient and modern, and which ones are based on insider and whistleblower testimonies. These are two horses of very different colors, as well.

[K626]

For people who are actually doing their work concernign it they know what it is even though it may manifest differently or come in in different ways.

For those who are caught in the thrall of the 'well intentioned bs artists' it would have to be a variety of things.

It's a bit more profound and circumstantial than having a David Wilcocks bumper sticker.

There are those who can tell you how to ascend and those who simply talk about ascending.

David hasn't done the sort of ego work that allows for that sort of awareness , he is entirely unaware of what he's mixed up in peddling more information.

Knowing about ascension isn't the same as ascending.


Methinks I would be mildly surprised if we had a majority of people on this forum agreeing on exactly what the ascension is. This word gets bandied about like everyone knows exactly what it is.....




I'm still trying to work out what they mean by 'ascension'....actually, I'm not really.

I think it means different things to different people...

--awakening of consciousness
--learning more about everything
--changing dimensions
--going to heaven
--just going off planet
--using an escalator

...and probably many others!

Think his main role is getting people to look for 'the door'. Quantum is basically chance if you like or in such a flux that our mind projections influence it. If DW is only doing that basic thing ie to get people to 'look again' well that is fine by me. Think he has an enthusiasm for it that IMO makes him over-reach from time to time but that is also fine. They say we'll know we have a very advanced computer when it itself has the ability to sow its own destruction.

Peace

K

[Anchor]

Hey folks,

Since this thread is about David Wilcock, we must use his own definition of ascension, otherwise we´ll go off-topic:

"The 3D body and brain does not have the "bandwidth" to handle anywhere near the amount of energy required to run a fourth-density body, never mind the Higher Self. This is why the transition into a fourth-density body, which we call "Ascension," necessitates the transmutation of the physical body."

"Ascension is not simply restricted to an idea like the Christians' saying there is going to be this "rapture," where Jesus comes back and ushers in a thousand years of peace. It's a cosmic event, and has been prophesied in almost every major religious and spiritual tradition that has existed on the face of the Earth."

"What we are leading to is that the entire energy of the Solar System is increasing, and that at some point, it will reach a level where it will transmute all life on the planet. That is when Ascension will be manifest."

"...after this Ascension process has completed; a world without poverty, hunger or pain; a world where full-body levitation, spontaneous healings, instant telepathic communication, and abundant Love are the law of the land."

"You have to leave behind the physical life in order to participate in the Ascension."

Source: http://divinecosmos.com/component/content/53?task=view

So, his view is basically a physical transmutation of matter at both individual and cosmic levels, which will transform humans into another different being, enabling skills like levitation, healing, telepathic communication, etc...

The big question is: Will it happen this year, like most 2012 researchers are claiming?

There´s a deadline involved, just like the year 2000, so we will all know after the end of this year.

Then there will be no need for speculation and we will be able to definitively tell who is lying and who is telling the truth.

As I´ve said before, I don´t believe for a second that it will happen, but if it does, I promise to publicly apologize for my lack of faith and skeptic position.

If it doesn´t happen, I wont accept any sort of excuses trying to justify why it didn´t happen, because, in this case, you can be absolutely sure that some folks will come up with the most fantastic excuses.

Raf,

Where in your quoted (italicized) text does it mention 2012 ? You imply that he does in your commentary - where is the quote that demonstrates its not just your perception ?

Has Wilcock actually ever given a fixed time for this?

If you are going to try to set someone up for a fall like this, your really ought to use both facts and logic in a connected way, otherwise you are just not playing fair.

Anchor..

[Anchor]

Besides, there´s a clear deadline involved here, which is 2012, enabling us to take concrete, tangible conclusions out of it.

I think this statement is not correct.

2012 is a significant year in the process, but it does not all happen in this year.

[Anchor]

Some people don't think, love, they know.


WTF makes you think that the Source Field Investigations book is bull****?

I read the above wondering exactly if you meant what it looks like you said?

Are you or are you not saying that you know that the book is BS?

If so, in what proportion?

Is it entirely BS? Or does it contain some non-BS and some BS (flaws)?

Are the flaws deliberate ? Are they innocent errors born of normal human imperfections ?

If you are saying categorically that the book is BS based on your inner knowing then that is fine, but there are usually degrees to these things.

[NancyV]

What Lisa Renee was talking about seems more to me like what she experienced in her kundalini opening and she has interpreted that as the "ascension" process. I had about a year long kundalini opening which was constant, 24 hours a day. I saw many entities from other dimensions, talked with an alien who was also other dimensional, saw UFO's experienced telepathy and was on a constant high while burning and breathing fire. But I didn't consider that to be "ascension". I knew it was a kundalini activation which had opened up my abilities to see and experience more while I was in my physical body.

Previous to the year of kundalini activation I experienced what I might call "ascension" for about 7 years, since I ascended out of my physical body and into other dimensions about 2-4 times a week. In each dimension I had a different form/body/light body...whatever I chose. There is no doubt that when you're in the "4th" dimension or what we may think of as a lower astral dimension you feel that you've ascended. But you then ascend further as you enter higher vibrational frequency dimensions and your travels continue.

All this talk of ascension of this earth 3rd dimension seems rather bizarre to me. Opening to seeing other dimensions, auras, feeling energies and seeing energy, healing others, etc.etc. while IN body is expanding your awareness, not ascending...at least in my years of experience and in my opinion. As long as I am within my body I can GREATLY expand my awareness, but when I want to ascend I leave my body and GO TO other dimensions. It happens to everyone when they die, but we can do it while within our body. We can also have kundalini openings, but I was sure glad when mine stopped as I felt like I was going to literally burn up eventually. I had to take several cold showers a day just to cool off.

The light body is able to contain the increase in vibrational frequency that comes with ascension, but the human body has a difficult time holding that high frequency. I could never figure out why anyone would want to ascend while still IN the physical body. I guess it would be like in the book the Celestine Prophecy where you raise your vibrational frequency so much that your body literally disappears. I read The Celestine Prophecy after my years of leaving my body and although I loved the book I couldn't figure out why one would want to have their body disappear. I figure I'm here in a body for a reason and until I die I am content to be having this experience.

I wonder if people who write about ascension, like David Wilcock, have "ascended" or left their body and traveled in every dimension up to the Source hundreds of times like I have. If they haven't, maybe they are thinking it's something it's not or interpreting it incorrectly. I see no reason for this 3rd dimension to change into a 4th dimensional space. There is ALREADY a 4th dimension and we can go there now. This dimension is the 3rd dimension. That would be like beings in the 4th dimension saying it was going to ascend to the 5th dimension. Silly! To go to the 5th dimension you just GO there, you don't change the 4th into the 5th and you don't change the 3rd (Earth) into the 4th.

It is true that we will all ascend, but each in our own time. Definitely we will all ascend when we die. I can hardly wait! In the meantime I'm having fun here in a body.

[another bob]

What Lisa Renee was talking about seems more to me like what she experienced in her kundalini opening and she has interpreted that as the "ascension" process. I had about a year long kundalini opening which was constant, 24 hours a day. I saw many entities from other dimensions, talked with an alien who was also other dimensional, saw UFO's experienced telepathy and was on a constant high while burning and breathing fire. But I didn't consider that to be "ascension". I knew it was a kundalini activation which had opened up my abilities to see and experience more while I was in my physical body.

Previous to the year of kundalini activation I experienced what I might call "ascension" for about 7 years, since I ascended out of my physical body and into other dimensions about 2-4 times a week. In each dimension I had a different form/body/light body...whatever I chose. There is no doubt that when you're in the "4th" dimension or what we may think of as a lower astral dimension you feel that you've ascended. But you then ascend further as you enter higher vibrational frequency dimensions and your travels continue.

All this talk of ascension of this earth 3rd dimension seems rather bizarre to me. Opening to seeing other dimensions, auras, feeling energies and seeing energy, healing others, etc.etc. while IN body is expanding your awareness, not ascending...at least in my years of experience and in my opinion. As long as I am within my body I can GREATLY expand my awareness, but when I want to ascend I leave my body and GO TO other dimensions. It happens to everyone when they die, but we can do it while within our body. We can also have kundalini openings, but I was sure glad when mine stopped as I felt like I was going to literally burn up eventually. I had to take several cold showers a day just to cool off.

The light body is able to contain the increase in vibrational frequency that comes with ascension, but the human body has a difficult time holding that high frequency. I could never figure out why anyone would want to ascend while still IN the physical body. I guess it would be like in the book the Celestine Prophecy where you raise your vibrational frequency so much that your body literally disappears. I read The Celestine Prophecy after my years of leaving my body and although I loved the book I couldn't figure out why one would want to have their body disappear. I figure I'm here in a body for a reason and until I die I am content to be having this experience.

I wonder if people who write about ascension, like David Wilcock, have "ascended" or left their body and traveled in every dimension up to the Source hundreds of times like I have. If they haven't, maybe they are thinking it's something it's not or interpreting it incorrectly. I see no reason for this 3rd dimension to change into a 4th dimensional space. There is ALREADY a 4th dimension and we can go there now. This dimension is the 3rd dimension. That would be like beings in the 4th dimension saying it was going to ascend to the 5th dimension. Silly! To go to the 5th dimension you just GO there, you don't change the 4th into the 5th and you don't change the 3rd (Earth) into the 4th.

It is true that we will all ascend, but each in our own time. Definitely we will all ascend when we die. I can hardly wait! In the meantime I'm having fun here in a body.

Excellent! Thanks once again, Nancy, for the very high quality of your contribution -- it's extremely rare to encounter someone of your experience and insight in a vast sea of mere speculators (Bless 'em all), and it is very much appreciated!

:yo:

[Anchor]

Excellent! Thanks once again, Nancy, for the very high quality of your contribution -- it's extremely rare to encounter someone of your experience and insight in a vast sea of mere speculators (Bless 'em all), and it is very much appreciated!

:yo:

Concur.

Also all this talk about ascension (and deadlines) seems to overlook the most important point which is that the main player in the show at the moment is not us humans but the planet. We are here for the ride and to take advantage of the opportunities afforded us by the experience; and maybe if so inclined to help the process along.

[Hervé]

NancyV, thank you for bringing some sanity to the subject.

While on this subject of "ascension," there is something else which needs some clarification and that's the subject of "dimensions."

Here is the big shocker:

Any space in which objects are created/existing (bodies, holograms) can be reduced to three, and only three (3) dimensions.

Time is only a factor introduced to re-arrange the space that remains a 3-dimensional one.

Any universe which uses space to locate objects in it has only three dimensions since the prerequisite for interaction is the possibility of interferences between waves (frequency matching allowing for holographic constructions; vivid "dreams" more "real" than physical "reality").

Time travel is only a looking at that space with a specific arrangement of the various objects in it. Hence the different remote viewing outcomes depending on the variables/factors taken into account.

I don't care if you live in some twisted torsional space screwed up with some push-pull time factor, those torsions and twists can be reduced via the appropriate equations into a Cartesian system of coordinates which define the position of an object in that space for a specific time.

Whereas "Density/Frequency" might be more appropriate:

A density is the amount of material contained in a unit of space... hence a degree of condensation of said material within a unit of space (volume).

What changes the density of any material is its state of "agitation" or the speed at which it is vibrating (frequency).

Hence, iron whether in solid, liquid or gazeous state... is still "iron."

In this physical universe, what allows transitions from one range of density to another is "heat" (radiated energy) which provides the energy to agitate (liquify) or de-agitate (solidify, when withdrawn) molecules relationships.

In the spiritual universe, my take is that the equivalent to "heat" is "love" but it's still a "universe" reducible to 3 dimensions....

Hence, all these different universes define by their frequency range can all co-exist in the same space... they just normally don't bump into each other or interact with each other; as an example, a neutrino can travel this entire physical universe without ever becoming conscious of anything being in its way.

So... "transdimensionals"... not quite, but unfortunately better sounding than "transdensity manifestations." Etc..

[WhiteFeather]

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[UnrealDreams]

Actually, you aren't really here to debate his false predictions.....You just don't want to hear my point of view. You should rename this thread the David Wilcock bashing thread. I would have avoided it. Mozart has pointed out that half of the predictions you are crediting to Wilcock are false themselves. On top of that, you haven't even read Wilcock's work. You think he's a meat eater. I really doubt that you know much of anything about DW.

I can only talk about failed predictions, what about you? You have turned this into a thread about ascension. Why didn't you shoot down the poster who talked about ascension, like you did to me?

This thread is all about a few ego driven, left brain using folks who can't dare to hear anything positive about Wilcock and constantly ridicule his work, even though they are uneducated about his work. You surely want to discredit Wilcok and oppress anything positive regarding Wilcock. What kind of agenda is underneath the surface here?

I respectfully disagree with the content in this thread. This will be my last post on this thread.
Thank you for reading my rant. I feel much better now.
Peace and love to you all(even the Wilcock bashers)







We are in the year 2012. There aren't many 'original' works left out there.
There are seldom seriously original works at a foundational level in most years, at least that we ever hear about :).

I agree again!! The reason we never hear about these things is because of the network of killers and disinfo agents(debunkers) who actively supress this type of information. Most people would not risk their lives to release this information. My understanding of this is why I really admire and respect Wilcock.

I respect this post and I like, from you, some facts to go along with it. I mean what are you thinking? What information? The most recent? That is the information that may or may not work out and has little to zero to do with his earlier work (which is his work and not just whistleblower conjecture).

It is hard to respond to 'I just like him' post (which is fine....but why keep re-posting it, other to take this thread off topic?).



Actually, if you go back and read my previous posts, you will see that I do give a lot more than "I like him" and in the above quote I was simply responding to another poster....not sure how any of that could be construed as off-topic.



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I could never explain this to you in the context of this thread. Perhaps Carmody will start another thread for those unfarmiliar with his work.....

I am not trying to change anyone else's mind. The material is there. Do with it what you wish. My main point is that if you dismiss his earlier work because of the Drake stuff, or if you dismiss his new work based on his supposed failed predictions, then you are selling yourself short.

How does any of what you said apply to the topic of this thread? This is not a thread to discuss all of David's works and how worthy they are. This is a thread specifically about his false predictions. Please start another thread if you don't want to discuss the topic of this thread.



David has done some silly things, like joined with Fullford or this "Drake" guy, but I think he is right about this ascension stuff. He is a researcher and a lecturer, not a hoaxer. If that's what he does for a living then that's good for him! Some people here seem to be a little jealous? He seems to have an ego, but don't we all? Duh!

I think threads like this are full of negative energy and they do nothing good to Avalon. Like restricting the channeling stuff was so stupid thing to do, many good people left this forum because of it. Some people are just driven by their egos and their "minds". Think with your heart, not your mind!

People, just take the chill pill and relax. Don't take life so seriously. It's all just a game.

So, Starseed, you really believe the paradigm will change at the end of 2012 and you will ascend?


I'm sure in keeping with the right vibration they will feature an all vegan menu because only vegans are on the true vibrational path of enlightenment. Wait, didn't DW say he eats meat? Hmmm, guess I like that about him.
He is Vegan BTW. Another false rumor attributed to Wilcock.


Hey Arrowwind,

I have zero problems with researchers and writers charging for a book. I have no problem with a psychic or energy workers charging to help someone on their path. Some give their lives to developing skills few in society bother to try to develop but want the results of such dedication by those who give decades to learning how energy works. Most never grasp the true meaning of what you said,


He told me that the possibilities were endless
that all true wisdom was free and would come to you if you but asked for it.

that was when I learned about the power of the old biblical saying,,, ask and you shall receive, knock and it shall be opened.
All the things of most worth that I have learned cost nothing or next to nothing.They don't receive because they do not ask or the ask with wrong intentions which is a divided heart imho. Only by pure focused desire that fulfills the highest need will people walk in that way. I have seen it happen many times, and I have experienced it myself. My issue with DW is his fruit does not equate to what he preaches, and it brings into the open for us to examine ourselves and our motives. None are so pure in this world to be without some fault. The issue I have is when every time someone who has proven not to walk the talk opens their mouth and others run and repeat it like its some great thing. Drake won't be the last to create drama by proclaiming some false information. DW won't be the last to repeat others work and try to take the glory and portray themselves as above debate. When was the last time DW talked with someone who disagreed with him and challenged him to answer questions and such? I've never seen him answer anyone's questions about his past. If it's out there, please post the link.



From the moment we are born we begin ascending. From the moment we are born we begin dying. Dying to self to me is the highest spiritual attainment. I believe, even though I dislike the Apostle Paul that he did share many deep spiritual truth, that is what he meant when he said he had learned to be content in all things whether in full or in lack. I also believe that is the purpose of our souls incarnating in the physical world to learn selfless love. To spiritually evolve / ascend to understand what true love, joy, beauty, peace are one must come through a crucible of fire which one has many experiences to appreciate those virtues.

Love your enemies and be kind to them for it is as heaping burning coals upon their heads for what does it matter that you love those who love you, nay rather love those who persecute you, revile you and say evil of you. This is a deep spiritual truth. We can only be who we currently are and that is created by our experiences and our choices in how to respond to events. The moment we choose the lower path is the moment we stop ascending. Taking the high road is most difficult for it is very narrow and you will find few friends on that path, but those whom you do find are true soul mates.




Actually Darby heard it from Mary McDonald in 1830 along with another minister. She said she had a vision and it seemed evil and cold, but it was of the rapture. Unfortunately, these ill educated ministers ran with it, and used what scriptures they thought spoke of it, and they misapplied them. As this is not a bible debate thread, I will leave it at that. Oh, I will add this, that in the O.T. it says God will punish those who teach people to fly to save their souls. The fly away doctrine is very dangerous and those who teach it should reconsider doing so.

[Unified Serenity]

I had to take several cold showers a day just to cool off.

Are you sure your not just a scorpio or entered menopause? ;)

Thanks for sharing what you did about your journey. I too experienced a change in 1995. I had astral traveled and gone into other dimensions for years prior, but this experience was an extreme one that lasted for several years. When it first happened it lasted for hours and would happen every day for about two weeks, then only when I opened to the experience. My best explanation is it was divine unity and I shared it with several very close friends. Until someone experiences such they cannot fathom it's intensity or understand how the things of this earth are but a foreshadowing of the things beyond this dimension. Did you find any more developed skills after your experience?

I definitely grew in my energetic working ability in discernment, healing, and reading others.

[NancyV]

LOL, Amzer, I kind of like the sound of "transdensity manifestations". I agree that it's all about vibrational frequency/density. However some of the more commonly used (maybe misused) words are dimensions or planes. When we raise our rate of vibration we can then see transdensity manifestations that are vibrating at a higher frequency like 4th "dimensional" beings, ufo's that appear and disappear because they can speed up or slow down their vibrational frequency, orbs, auras, etc.

Some lucky people have spontaneous increases in their vibrational frequency whereas others must work at developing the ability. It's a combination of focus and letting go of focus, hard work and effortlessness. It took me a while to develop my focus and then let go, but not too long...only a month or so of determined work to the exclusion of almost everything else. So "ascension" is open to everyone, here and now. If we want it, we must do the work. No one else is going to do it for us. If all humans ascend en masse by the end of 2012 I'll eat my astral hat!

[9eagle9]

The proportions of thefted research, arranged to suit Davids agenda, and the contradictions that lie within, a sprinkling of actuality, a heavy dose of unsubstantiated speculation, and where his theories oppose themselves.



Some people don't think, love, they know.


WTF makes you think that the Source Field Investigations book is bull****?

I read the above wondering exactly if you meant what it looks like you said?

Are you or are you not saying that you know that the book is BS?

If so, in what proportion?

Is it entirely BS? Or does it contain some non-BS and some BS (flaws)?

Are the flaws deliberate ? Are they innocent errors born of normal human imperfections ?

If you are saying categorically that the book is BS based on your inner knowing then that is fine, but there are usually degrees to these things.

[Unified Serenity]

LMAO..... boy you people get your knickers in a wad fast. I was castigated by someone not long ago who proclaimed knowing DW and said he eats meat. I took them at their word. I did a quick search and it seems other DW followers think the same:


david wilcock reported being a meat eater, citing the ineffectiveness of vegetarianism to meet specific nutritional needs. a lot of people do need meat in their diet. if you're one of these people, you may want to consider the possibility that the animals know on some level why they are here, and that they too may have elected to do a service to humanity.
http://divinecosmos.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-12450.html
david wilcock reported being a meat eater, citing the ineffectiveness of vegetarianism to meet specific nutritional needs.

ok now, this is not completely true! he had to consume meat at one time cos he had some serious work to do at the time, as there was no other way he could get regain the necessary energy.


david moved to louisville, kentucky in february 2003 to join forces with jim and carla, the two surviving members of the law of one contact. he was soon followed by fellow members vara in march and gary in late april. david reliably paid 601 dollars monthly rent, shopped for the group’s food on friday night and cooked the group’s food for the entire week all day saturday (with fellow member vara, who also did all the bookkeeping). david also regularly performed a variety of skilled labor tasks, including a complete remodeling of the basement, creating three new bedrooms and a large laundry room, under the direction and partnership of fellow l/l member bruce, also known as lonebear, who moved in as of december. gary also provided assistance in construction.

this remodeling process proved to be the most grueling physical labor david would ever perform. he literally worked from the time he woke up to the time he went to bed every day, stopping only to take paid clients, cook group food all day saturday and attend group meetings on sunday. he began eating regular animal protein again to support his physical body’s muscular exertion, and discovered that his particular blood type really benefited from it - thus he allowed limited types of organic meat back in after a seven-year stint of severely disciplined vegan dieting. (sorry to our dedicated vegetarians out there… some people can do it and some can’t.)


here's a quote from the archive:


dw: let's not forget that non-organic produce has many pesticides and contaminants that significantly increase the risks to health and decrease any perceived benefits.

overall my diet is quite strict and repetitive (sabrina hates this about me) but it suits me well. of course we start with the no's. no white flour (and now no flour of any kind, due to my sensitive system,) no refined sugar (now i'm actually avoiding all sweeteners, period, except for the occasional glass of rice milk,) no meat except fish, (and especially no red meat,) no dairy whatsoever, (if you must have eggs only do the yolks,) no white rice, (same effect as white flour,) no msg (which is so cleverly hidden with names like "natural flavor" that you basically don't buy anything prepackaged unless it is from an established health food store and is labeled as clean,) no fried foodand no preservatives. now by this point most do not think that there is much left to work with.

what i have every day, based on a constant interchange with the readings, is as follows: two or three huge glasses of water after awakening. wait 45 minutes. cooked millet grains forbreakfast (a complete protein.) wait two and a half hours, drink two or three glasses of water, wait30-45 minutes, thenmixed greens salad with garbanzo beans, shredded carrots, avocado, olives, extra-virgin olive oil, lemon juice and tamari for lunch. wait two and a half hours, drink two or three glasses of water, wait 45 minutes,and steamed dark greens for dinner, again with lemon juice, olive oil and tamari - usually a half onion, cabbage and broccoli included - always organic and never inorganic. if required for energy, i.e. if energy is too low, then baked fish can also be a part of lunch or dinner - although from a digestive standpoint it seems to work much better with cooked greens as opposed to raw salad greens. i do have the occasional unsalted brown rice cakes with almond butter for the in-between periods of water and meals - i.e. after water cycles but before meal cycles, or after meals but before water.

two hours after dinner you can have your in-season fruit, remembering that the really sugary ones do more harm than good, such as the bananas, pineapples, mangoes, et cetera. apples should only be eaten as cooked unless you're on a cleansing diet, oranges and citrus are doable, pears are ok at this time of year, melons of all kinds always good, papaya is fine, but again make sure it is organic. if the fruit is one where it needs to be peeled to eat, there is less danger of buying inorganic if your only other choice is starvation. citrus fruits should only be had by themselves and not with other fruits, and if you are a blood type o you are allergic to strawberries.

food combinations catch a lot of people. if you are going to have fish on this diet, you cannot blend it with carbohydrates (grains) in the same meal. you should never combine fruits and vegetables in the same meal. if for some reason you feel you must have dairy, it should only be had by itself - nothing before or after. also important is the water cycle. minimum of 30 minutes without significant water intake before a meal, minimum of two hours without any significant water intake after a meal. the reason is that it rinses away digestive enzymes and you end up with a lot of undigested debris stuck in your colon, which is not fun or healthy. also, you don't end up digesting the food and your body gets weak. the only exception to the water cycle is that you can drink water only 30 minutes after eating fruit, due to the speedy digestion that ensues (unless it is dried fruit - but that can have molds that again are very bad for you.) using enzyme supplements isextremely highly suggested.

going out to eat? don't do it too often (twice a week is plenty) and stick to either health-food store cafe's if possible, or chinese restaurants, hold the rice and the msg. (many sauces have sugar in them as well.) you can find your way around an indian restaurant fairly well, though many dishes have some form of dairy and / or may be uncomfortably spicy (which is detrimental to the body above a certain point.) should you be forced to go to a more mainstream restaurant, tell them that you have "special needs" and you would like the baked fish entree, without butter, and the lightly steamed vegetables on the side, without butter. ask for water only with your meal and don't drink any of it. then pray to god that you'll make it home without a coronary for your obsessive-compulsive behavior with the waitress, your guests and yourself. it's often better just to stay home.

- david wilcock

http://divinecosmos.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-12450.htmlSo, I guess when it suits him, he eats meat.

I think the ascension topic is interesting and since it's my thread, I didn't stop it. How do you like the pick and choose rules now? lmfao

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/FLvHoR7FiaJdKNBkrEOjmM8QFLvHoR7FiaJ

[9eagle9]

He didn't eyeball his own research enough because plenty of it was not his own research. David is as hung up on consciousness being all important because he apparently has not yet had the experience of awareness.

[9eagle9]

Interesting how this lends so much focus on the physical when source fielding provides the means to transcend what you are absorbing.

Or that what a very difficult way for an allegedly ascended person to analize their life.

I'm tacking back my Last Supper support.



LMAO..... boy you people get your knickers in a wad fast. I was castigated by someone not long ago who proclaimed knowing DW and said he eats meat. I took them at their word. I did a quick search and it seems other DW followers think the same:


david wilcock reported being a meat eater, citing the ineffectiveness of vegetarianism to meet specific nutritional needs. a lot of people do need meat in their diet. if you're one of these people, you may want to consider the possibility that the animals know on some level why they are here, and that they too may have elected to do a service to humanity.
http://divinecosmos.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-12450.html
david wilcock reported being a meat eater, citing the ineffectiveness of vegetarianism to meet specific nutritional needs.

ok now, this is not completely true! he had to consume meat at one time cos he had some serious work to do at the time, as there was no other way he could get regain the necessary energy.


david moved to louisville, kentucky in february 2003 to join forces with jim and carla, the two surviving members of the law of one contact. he was soon followed by fellow members vara in march and gary in late april. david reliably paid 601 dollars monthly rent, shopped for the group’s food on friday night and cooked the group’s food for the entire week all day saturday (with fellow member vara, who also did all the bookkeeping). david also regularly performed a variety of skilled labor tasks, including a complete remodeling of the basement, creating three new bedrooms and a large laundry room, under the direction and partnership of fellow l/l member bruce, also known as lonebear, who moved in as of december. gary also provided assistance in construction.

this remodeling process proved to be the most grueling physical labor david would ever perform. he literally worked from the time he woke up to the time he went to bed every day, stopping only to take paid clients, cook group food all day saturday and attend group meetings on sunday. he began eating regular animal protein again to support his physical body’s muscular exertion, and discovered that his particular blood type really benefited from it - thus he allowed limited types of organic meat back in after a seven-year stint of severely disciplined vegan dieting. (sorry to our dedicated vegetarians out there… some people can do it and some can’t.)


here's a quote from the archive:


dw: let's not forget that non-organic produce has many pesticides and contaminants that significantly increase the risks to health and decrease any perceived benefits.

overall my diet is quite strict and repetitive (sabrina hates this about me) but it suits me well. of course we start with the no's. no white flour (and now no flour of any kind, due to my sensitive system,) no refined sugar (now i'm actually avoiding all sweeteners, period, except for the occasional glass of rice milk,) no meat except fish, (and especially no red meat,) no dairy whatsoever, (if you must have eggs only do the yolks,) no white rice, (same effect as white flour,) no msg (which is so cleverly hidden with names like "natural flavor" that you basically don't buy anything prepackaged unless it is from an established health food store and is labeled as clean,) no fried foodand no preservatives. now by this point most do not think that there is much left to work with.

what i have every day, based on a constant interchange with the readings, is as follows: two or three huge glasses of water after awakening. wait 45 minutes. cooked millet grains forbreakfast (a complete protein.) wait two and a half hours, drink two or three glasses of water, wait30-45 minutes, thenmixed greens salad with garbanzo beans, shredded carrots, avocado, olives, extra-virgin olive oil, lemon juice and tamari for lunch. wait two and a half hours, drink two or three glasses of water, wait 45 minutes,and steamed dark greens for dinner, again with lemon juice, olive oil and tamari - usually a half onion, cabbage and broccoli included - always organic and never inorganic. if required for energy, i.e. if energy is too low, then baked fish can also be a part of lunch or dinner - although from a digestive standpoint it seems to work much better with cooked greens as opposed to raw salad greens. i do have the occasional unsalted brown rice cakes with almond butter for the in-between periods of water and meals - i.e. after water cycles but before meal cycles, or after meals but before water.

two hours after dinner you can have your in-season fruit, remembering that the really sugary ones do more harm than good, such as the bananas, pineapples, mangoes, et cetera. apples should only be eaten as cooked unless you're on a cleansing diet, oranges and citrus are doable, pears are ok at this time of year, melons of all kinds always good, papaya is fine, but again make sure it is organic. if the fruit is one where it needs to be peeled to eat, there is less danger of buying inorganic if your only other choice is starvation. citrus fruits should only be had by themselves and not with other fruits, and if you are a blood type o you are allergic to strawberries.

food combinations catch a lot of people. if you are going to have fish on this diet, you cannot blend it with carbohydrates (grains) in the same meal. you should never combine fruits and vegetables in the same meal. if for some reason you feel you must have dairy, it should only be had by itself - nothing before or after. also important is the water cycle. minimum of 30 minutes without significant water intake before a meal, minimum of two hours without any significant water intake after a meal. the reason is that it rinses away digestive enzymes and you end up with a lot of undigested debris stuck in your colon, which is not fun or healthy. also, you don't end up digesting the food and your body gets weak. the only exception to the water cycle is that you can drink water only 30 minutes after eating fruit, due to the speedy digestion that ensues (unless it is dried fruit - but that can have molds that again are very bad for you.) using enzyme supplements isextremely highly suggested.

going out to eat? don't do it too often (twice a week is plenty) and stick to either health-food store cafe's if possible, or chinese restaurants, hold the rice and the msg. (many sauces have sugar in them as well.) you can find your way around an indian restaurant fairly well, though many dishes have some form of dairy and / or may be uncomfortably spicy (which is detrimental to the body above a certain point.) should you be forced to go to a more mainstream restaurant, tell them that you have "special needs" and you would like the baked fish entree, without butter, and the lightly steamed vegetables on the side, without butter. ask for water only with your meal and don't drink any of it. then pray to god that you'll make it home without a coronary for your obsessive-compulsive behavior with the waitress, your guests and yourself. it's often better just to stay home.

- david wilcock

http://divinecosmos.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-12450.htmlSo, I guess when it suits him, he eats meat.

I think the ascension topic is interesting and since it's my thread, I didn't stop it. How do you like the pick and choose rules now? lmfao

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/FLvHoR7FiaJdKNBkrEOjmM8QFLvHoR7FiaJ

[Khaleesi]

I can honestly say I do not follow DW that closely because the things he says just do not resonate with me. What struck me as odd was this post http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?45478-David-Wilcock-s-False-Predictions&p=493404&viewfull=1#post493404 DW claimed to be the reincarnation of Rasputin, a man that died in 1916. DW also claims to be the reincarnation of Edgar Cayce (born in 1877 - died in 1945). How can he possibly be the reincarnation of both men? Edgar Cayce was born before Rasputin died and died 29 years after. If I didn't have a problem with DW before knowing this, I certainly would have a problem now.

[tenacity1]

well I really don't have time to read all this.. If one looks for peace anywhere but insides themselves, you are looking in the wrong place. True peace comes from within.. bashing folks doesn't get it

[NancyV]

I had to take several cold showers a day just to cool off.

Are you sure your not just a scorpio or entered menopause? ;)

Thanks for sharing what you did about your journey. I too experienced a change in 1995. I had astral traveled and gone into other dimensions for years prior, but this experience was an extreme one that lasted for several years. When it first happened it lasted for hours and would happen every day for about two weeks, then only when I opened to the experience. My best explanation is it was divine unity and I shared it with several very close friends. Until someone experiences such they cannot fathom it's intensity or understand how the things of this earth are but a foreshadowing of the things beyond this dimension. Did you find any more developed skills after your experience?

I definitely grew in my energetic working ability in discernment, healing, and reading others.
LOL, I'm a taurus but I do love scorpios! Menopause was tough but nothing like kundalini burning.

Divine Unity sounds nicely descriptive, and the unity is felt more or less depending on the vibrational frequency of the dimension you're in. There's no experience on earth that can compare with merging with other beings then finally rejoining the Source. Plus timelessness/no-time means that even if you're only out of your body for maybe an hour, it's like more than a million years. Timelessness is also very hard to describe. It's so so awesome. I'm glad you've had that experience and thanks for sharing!

The main abilities I retained were seeing energy, seeing into other dimensions and occasional telepathy. While in the awakened kundalini state I had a huge amount of telepathic experiences with people online. This was in 1994-95. Some of us on AOL in chat rooms were finding that real-time computer chats helped us to develop telepathy and raise our vibrational frequency. The focus was a kind of meditation, at least it worked like meditation in raising our frequency. It enabled me to meet my twin flame/husband. We had an instant connection and the energy was so strong he came to visit and we were married 3 weeks later and have been together ever since.

As far as David Wilcock....I listened to him and read his writings on and off for several years. What I didn't do was accept anything he says as true. Of course a lot of his research and research he collates from others is quite interesting to me, but I always assume that none of us has the absolute "truth" for anyone else. When he makes predictions that apply to the planet, all humans, or even his recent statements about the mass arrests and his support for Drake, I just continue to enjoy the show and figure that he's enjoying the fantasy and conspiracy games more than I do and taking them more seriously than I do. He must believe in what he's doing or the alternatives would be he's either a liar or a fool.

Whatever he is doing he is playing a role that he's created for himself. Anyone has the freedom to believe him or not. If they believe him and are disappointed...it's their responsibility for accepting his prognostications as truth. they may learn a good lesson about trust from that. If they believe him and are not disappointed when his predictions don't come to pass, that's good. They are then more detached from results and apparently enjoy the fantasy game they're playing along with David. We each have our roles we've come here to play. David's game is not overly appealing to me but anyone is welcome to play his game with him. I've played some VERY strange and wild games in my life so I'm not really able to say that someone else doesn't have a right to their games.

When I tell my experiences I can't really categorically state "this is the way it is for everyone". Yeah, sometimes I SAY it's this way or that way...but I know that it may not be felt the same by everyone. I enjoy it when I find someone else whose experiences are similar to mine. I refuse to think that I know what's best for anyone else. That's where we humans get caught so easily....thinking we know the way to be, think, act, what and how to say something, and how to feel for everyone else.

Sometimes I am quite critical of others and have been critical of David, Drake and Fulford at times. But truthfully I don't care. I am happy to let them enjoy their dramas and let their audiences (including me) enjoy the dramas in any way we choose to enjoy them, whether it's as a dewy eyed worshiper, a mild appreciator, or one who enjoys dissecting and critiquing things either positively or negatively, forcefully or mildly. We each have our own styles. I only need to please myself.

ps: even if you have "ascension" experiences you can still be here in a human body and be a total A-hole (lucky for me!) LOL..

[Arrowwind]

Well it seems to me that regardless of warning some people will continue to fund and follow false prophets. Regardless of how many times these prophets are wrong in their prophecy and how many times they promote the sales of their books to educate one on their false prophecy, luring them in with either fear or a hope, they will, I guess, continue to do what they do because they like the guy and the are wrapped up in a hope from someone who really does not produce one of the main product he proclaims...that being prophecy.

So be it. Its a choice they have the right to. But I will call it everytime I see it.

[Arrowwind]

well I really don't have time to read all this.. If one looks for peace anywhere but insides themselves, you are looking in the wrong place. True peace comes from within.. bashing folks doesn't get it

he he he...

Bashing folks is not the point. The point is exposing false teachers. We would not be working on this here on this thread if it were not relevant to someone who is trying to sort things out. After all, we do learn from each other.
This thread has a very important purpose revolving around developing discernment.

[Arrowwind]

I can honestly say I do not follow DW that closely because the things he says just do not resonate with me. What struck me as odd was this post http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?45478-David-Wilcock-s-False-Predictions&p=493404&viewfull=1#post493404 DW claimed to be the reincarnation of Rasputin, a man that died in 1916. DW also claims to be the reincarnation of Edgar Cayce (born in 1877 - died in 1945). How can he possibly be the reincarnation of both men? Edgar Cayce was born before Rasputin died and died 29 years after. If I didn't have a problem with DW before knowing this, I certainly would have a problem now.

There are those who believe that parallel lifetimes are possible and you or I or anyone really can be having an alternate life in a different body somewhere on this planet at this very moment. I dont have a firm opinon on this but I suspect it as a possibility a componet of the souls presence within the realm of infinity and infinite possibilities

[Craig]

To remove another layer of the onion, didn't that crazy former whitehat fella say that David was cloned? Aren't we all cloned according to him? So when things change or become different - well they abducted him and cloned him, hell apparently I am cloned cause I mentioned something different to the line of current thought.

Floodgates opened.........

[SKIBADABOMSKI]

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Wrong info..

EEEeeewwww !! what am I doing on a Wilcock thread?

[gripreaper]

If David Wilcock is the reincarnation of RA and actually wrote the Law of One, then wouldn't he know what he's talking about since it is imbedded in his very DNA?

[tenacity1]

Well it seems to me that regardless of warning some people will continue to fund and follow false prophets. Regardless of how many times these prophets are wrong in their prophecy and how many times they promote the sales of their books to educate one on their false prophecy, luring them in with either fear or a hope, they will, I guess, continue to do what they do because they like the guy and the are wrapped up in a hope from someone who really does not produce one of the main product he proclaims...that being prophecy.
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So be it. Its a choice they have the right to. But I will call it everytime I see it.BINGO could not have said it better..

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that's all well and good discernment etc.. but I stand by my statement ..look for happiness anywhere but within and you are losing all perspective

[Anchor]

If David Wilcock is the reincarnation of RA and actually wrote the Law of One, then wouldn't he know what he's talking about since it is imbedded in his very DNA?

If that sentence made any sense at all then perhaps - more importantly where is it claimed that DW is the reincarnation of RA?

Really this is beyond a joke.

Why is it acceptable to accuse other people of lying and making stuff up, when the same techniques are used to make or support those accusations?

[RedeZra]

DW claimed to be the reincarnation of Rasputin, a man that died in 1916. DW also claims to be the reincarnation of Edgar Cayce (born in 1877 - died in 1945). How can he possibly be the reincarnation of both men? Edgar Cayce was born before Rasputin died and died 29 years after.


DW has probably found a way to circumvent this little logical problem

after all he managed to reincarnate a century before time as prophesied by Cayce himself


he must be the impossibile man ; )

[Arrowwind]

. Ridiculing this guy will get you nowhere because he's flying high and running with it. I dare say unstoppable.

Anyway thats my 2 yens.

Ski-

The point is not to ridicule DW. The point is to actually look at what is going on here and develop some personal discernement. If ridicule was what it was all about I suspect some would be sending him nasty letters... but what is that worth? Nothing. The only point is to get conscious about what you are dealing with and to clearly look at the writing on the wall. Yes he is running with it into his fame and glory. The higher they fly the further they fall, and the harder too. I would not want to be attached to him.

[Khaleesi]

Great interview with John Lash and Thomas Sheridan:

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/grok-the-talk/2012/05/22/handling-psychopaths-3-with-thomas-sheridan-and-john-lash-1

[SKIBADABOMSKI]

he must be the impossibile man ; )

What like Jesus?

[SKIBADABOMSKI]

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[9eagle9]

It's sort of how the world works. If one makes idiotic claims and wants to behave like the new age version of Richard Simmons, bounding over every subject imaginable and piddling on it like an excited puppy....people are ....what?

Not supposed to notice?

Have their eyes poked out because the same entity opportunes onto every subject in the alternative media. You can avoid him, plastered himself with desperate relentless frequency onto the coat tails of every subject in alternative media. 2012, angels, energy, ufos, aliens, extraterrestrials, astrology, the Bible, former prophets, Clairol hair products--David is there. I'm not sure there is a topic he hasn't attempted to exploit yet.

Granted a lot of that is because of his fans who have to insert him into every topic.

The interviews with Dr. Pete Peterson that David managed to insinuate himself in. He would have been annoying intrusive save the for the looks the good doctor directed his way that plainly said "you're an annoying idiot". I was rather embarrassed for him then but not so much now.

When the good doctor exhibited restraint against David's prattling elementary school questions in a strained attempt to get Peterson to align his science with David's hastily put together fantasies this was declaimed as Peterson somehow being an evil force that couldn't look holy David in the eye.

Another symptom of "Everyone is out to get David"

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YOU just better hush or David Wilcock's fans will be urging him to pose nude on the cover's of his books ala David Icke.

DI was a hottie back in the day though.(If you like blondes that is)





. Ridiculing this guy will get you nowhere because he's flying high and running with it. I dare say unstoppable.

Anyway thats my 2 yens.

Ski-

The point is not to ridicule DW. The point is to actually look at what is going on here and develop some personal discernement. If ridicule was what it was all about I suspect some would be sending him nasty letters... but what is that worth? Nothing. The only point is to get conscious about what you are dealing with and to clearly look at the writing on the wall. Yes he is running with it into his fame and glory. The higher they fly the further they fall, and the harder too. I would not want to be attached to him.




I thought this thread was about David Icke..... oh dear, >_<

David Wilcock .. Damit how stupid of me, anyway I know nothing about Wilcock other than he's got an ugly cheesy mug and he's got a smile that makes me want to punch a donkey.

That was enough alone to put me off !! I mean come on, if your going to bull***t the masses then at least have some stage manners. Try and look a little convincing. At least David Icke has a rock star look.

RIDICULE .... o_0 ))))

Ski-

[gripreaper]

more importantly where is it claimed that DW is the reincarnation of RA?

Why would the notion of DW being of the soul stream of RA be so ludicrous? I mean, David himself claims that he is the reincarnation of Edgar Cayce, who did about 14,000 readings over his lifetime which were fairly accurate, and so is the Law of One.


Why is it acceptable to accuse other people of lying and making stuff up, when the same techniques are used to make or support those accusations?

What? I have no idea what you are talking about here or how this applied to what I said. I said "IF" David Wilcock is the reincarnation of RA, then what he writes about, which would include the Law of One, is imbedded in his very DNA, and therefore is not a stretch like some have claimed.

If you understand that we all come from a soul stream and that we are light fractals of "all that is" then would it be a stretch to say that we are all god? I think not, therefore it is not a stretch for me to say that David Wilcock is RA, as has been inferred by some, regardless of whether or not David himself has made such a claim. What don't you like about the Law of One?

[RMorgan]

Where in your quoted (italicized) text does it mention 2012 ? You imply that he does in your commentary - where is the quote that demonstrates its not just your perception ?
Has Wilcock actually ever given a fixed time for this?
Anchor..

Hey mate,

You should check out his documentary, The 2012 Enigma. It was an essential point in his career.

http://youtu.be/o1Hw8DVLw-A

A huge part of his work is based on the theory that something extraordinary would happen by the end of this year, like his new book is described on Amazon:

"Based on a hugely popular Internet documentary, this exploration of historic signs and symbolism determines what the future holds for humanity come 2012.

"If you believe there is no special significance to the year 2012, then prepare yourself for a guided tour through the most incredible scientific mysteries in the modern world, which may be the rediscovery of an ancient system of physics and spirituality that was once widely used and understood, but has since crumbled almost completely into ruin." -The Source Field Investigations

In his documentary The 2012 Enigma-viewed more than two million times- David Wilcock exposed many great secrets: DNA, consciousness science, wormholes, stargate travel, sacred geometry, three-dimensional time, the Mayan calendar, and much more. And in this book, his seminal work, he'll expose even more.

Calling upon fascinating areas of alternative science, Wilcock's unique philosophy connects the human species and the rest of the cosmos, proposing that it is in our power to usher in the Golden Age prophesied in so many ancient cultures and spiritual traditions. Unlike the doom- and-gloom viewpoints depicted in big-budget disaster films, Wilcock believes that 2012 may be a watermark for when a widespread acceptance of a greater reality will begin to occur-and in his book, he lays out many of the blueprints for such a Golden Age."

source: http://www.amazon.com/The-Source-Field-Investigations-Civilizations/dp/0525952047

You should also check out what is written on the first page of his ascension2000.com website.

http://web.archive.org/web/19990508172312/http://www.ascension2000.com/

"Dedicated to the Single Greatest Moment of All Time,

Now Within One Year of Arrival - Getting Excited?"

And this was in 1999, relating to the year 2000...Does it look like a deadline for you?

By the way, I think the purpose of this thread is not to ridicule anyone; Is to verify the facts in order to know if David Wilcock is a reliable source of information or not. I´m not emotionally involved with this subject and I advice everyone to do the same. One can not develop a clear line of though if blinded by uncontrolled emotions.

About vegetarianism, I really don´t care if he´s a vegetarian or not. It´s not relevant to the main subject of this thread. However, I´ve been a vegetarian for more than 10 years, just like many of my closest friends, and none of us have developed any sort of nutritional problems.

Cheers,

Raf.

[gripreaper]

DW claimed to be the reincarnation of Rasputin, a man that died in 1916. DW also claims to be the reincarnation of Edgar Cayce (born in 1877 - died in 1945). How can he possibly be the reincarnation of both men? Edgar Cayce was born before Rasputin died and died 29 years after.


DW has probably found a way to circumvent this little logical problem

after all he managed to reincarnate a century before time as prophesied by Cayce himself

he must be the impossibile man ; )

Only we look at time as lineal, and time is actually spherical. All that is, exists in the present and always has been and always will be. The only animation is form and transform, which is done with a collective intention and held together like a hologram.

So, as long as people view time as linear and see reality from the perspective of the bible, their view will be very limited and primitive. All timelines and all lifetimes are happening right now in this present moment.

[Carmody]

I can honestly say I do not follow DW that closely because the things he says just do not resonate with me. What struck me as odd was this post http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?45478-David-Wilcock-s-False-Predictions&p=493404&viewfull=1#post493404 DW claimed to be the reincarnation of Rasputin, a man that died in 1916. DW also claims to be the reincarnation of Edgar Cayce (born in 1877 - died in 1945). How can he possibly be the reincarnation of both men? Edgar Cayce was born before Rasputin died and died 29 years after. If I didn't have a problem with DW before knowing this, I certainly would have a problem now.

There are those who believe that parallel lifetimes are possible and you or I or anyone really can be having an alternate life in a different body somewhere on this planet at this very moment. I dont have a firm opinon on this but I suspect it as a possibility a component of the souls presence within the realm of infinity and infinite possibilities

yes, to complicate matters even further, Micheal newton, in his hypnotism work regarding 'life between lives' (thousands of hypnotic sessions in this subject area) has received reports that a given soul, if 'learned' enough, ie, largish amount of energetic capacity, that soul may live two lives at the same time. Overlaps, etc.

I neither disagree or agree, I'm only adding to the situation regarding that 'if one is not there in the specific place, then how can one pass judgement?'


As well, judgement is a fools game.... it anchors one in the self lies of their own past and disallows any further growth.

Most seriously, this is true... judgment is about as foolish an enterprise that one can engage in.

[RMorgan]

DW claimed to be the reincarnation of Rasputin, a man that died in 1916. DW also claims to be the reincarnation of Edgar Cayce (born in 1877 - died in 1945). How can he possibly be the reincarnation of both men? Edgar Cayce was born before Rasputin died and died 29 years after.


DW has probably found a way to circumvent this little logical problem

after all he managed to reincarnate a century before time as prophesied by Cayce himself

he must be the impossibile man ; )

Only we look at time as lineal, and time is actually spherical. All that is, exists in the present and always has been and always will be. The only animation is form and transform, which is done with a collective intention and held together like a hologram.

So, as long as people view time as linear and see reality from the perspective of the bible, their view will be very limited and primitive. All timelines and all lifetimes are happening right now in this present moment.

Hey folks,

About reincarnation, I think it´s a very complex subject.

Anyone can believe to be a reincarnation of someone else. The fact is, that it´s either impossible to prove it or disprove it, initially.

My alarms start ringing whenever someone claims to be the reincarnation of someone very famous, in David Wilcock´s case, two very famous and mystical characters, like Cayce and Rasputin.

If DW was an engineer or lawyer, I wouldn´t care about these claims.

However, since he´s involved basically with a similar line of work of these two persons from the past, it looks to me that he might be just trying to absorb their reputation to increase his own credibility.

Also, I don´t think that, in order to be the reincarnation of someone, you have to actually physically look like that person. Reincarnation is about the soul, not the body, right?

DW tried to force the idea of being the reincarnation of Cayce, by using photographic techniques to look similar to him, while, in fact, if we look to DW and Cayce from other angles, they don´t even look similar.

The fact is that, if anyone who is the reincarnation of someone else, was physically similar to his previous reincarnation, none of us would look like our mothers and fathers.

Our appearance is completely dictated by genetic inheritance and, David Wilcock, looks a lot like his father, not Cayce.

Also, another thing that makes the alarms ring for me, is that DW thinks all his family and closest friends are the reincarnation of someone really famous, as you can see in this thread:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=137135213&p=732502653&viewfull=1#post732502653

His best friend is supposed to be the reincarnation of Morton Blumenthal (Morton Blumenthal was heavily involved in Cayce’s work, using his readings to win in the stock market):

http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb364/johnd1987/wilcockfriend.png

His father is supposed to be the reincarnation of General Denikin:

http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb364/johnd1987/wilcockfather.png

His brother is supposed to be the reincarnation of Grand Duke Dmitri Pavlovich:

http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb364/johnd1987/wilcockbrother.png

So, according to DW, no one close to him is the reincarnation of Joe the plumber, or Jim the caretaker, or Ted the mechanic...

For me, making such connections with physical appearance and reincarnation is complete nonsense, specially when actually there´s not any relevant physical similarity.

If there´s any foundation in this theory, how about famous people doubles? Are they actually soul mates?

Cheers,

Raf.

[9eagle9]

Curiously enough... David also has a BA in Psychology.

[Cartomancer]

I agree Raf, When you examine the reincarnation phenomena everyone used to be someone famous and not the plumber or seamstress. Its always "I used to be someone important so now its o.k. for me to co-opt their entire personality and appearance." Always interesting is the anger that is expressed by the reincarnated Jesus or St. Germain when you tell them that you don't believe it. Always anger like they are astounded that you don't believe something like this. That is how the occult works you get someone to start repeating your outrageous b.s.

I once saw a documentary about Aleister Crowley in which he was walking with a journalist and telling him how he could control the actions of anyone. To demonstrate he pointed out the man walking in front of him and began to imitate his gate. Then Crowley intentionally stumbles and low and behold the man in front of him falls down as well. The journalist is impressed with Crowley's paranormal abilities and writes an article that convinces thousands of his psychic abilities.

The reality of this scenario likely involved Crowley calling a member of his order and telling him to wait at a given place and start walking in front of them as they approach. "Then wait about thirty seconds and stumble and fall." That's how easy it is people and we constantly eat up this crap sandwich that is handed to us while the real crimes are going on right under our noses. All of this b.s. is set up for a specific reason and they have us all chasing our tales around wonder about this load of garbage that is being presented to us.

Yes I have my own outrageous ideas as well but I always say "possible" "maybe" "given the facts may be true" etc.

I think in a past life I was the dooman at the Sands in Vegas during its gangster heyday. Or maybe I was a lower caste sewer cleaner in Mumbai.

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Curiously enough... David also has a BA in Psychology.

Say no more that is the capper. With a B.A. in psychology this is the only job Wilcock can get.

[Carmody]

I agree Raf, When you examine the reincarnation phenomena everyone used to be someone famous and not the plumber or seamstress. Its always "I used to be someone important so now its o.k. for me to co-opt their entire personality and appearance." Always interesting is the anger that is expressed by the reincarnated Jesus or St. Germain when you tell them that you don't believe it. Always anger like they are astounded that you don't believe something like this. That is how the occult works you get someone to start repeating your outrageous b.s.

I once saw a documentary about Aleister Crowley in which he was walking with a journalist and telling him how he could control the actions of anyone. To demonstrate he pointed out the man walking in front of him and began to imitate his gate. Then Crowley intentionally stumbles and low and behold the man in front of him falls down as well. The journalist is impressed with Crowley's paranormal abilities and writes an article that convinces thousands of his psychic abilities.

The reality of this scenario likely involved Crowley calling a member of his order and telling him to wait at a given place and start walking in front of them as they approach. "Then wait about thirty seconds and stumble and fall." That's how easy it is people and we constantly eat up this crap sandwich that is handed to us while the real crimes are going on right under our noses. All of this b.s. is set up for a specific reason and they have us all chasing our tales around wonder about this load of garbage that is being presented to us.

Yes I have my own outrageous ideas as well but I always say "possible" "maybe" "given the facts may be true" etc.

I think in a past life I was the dooman at the Sands in Vegas during its gangster heyday. Or maybe I was a lower caste sewer cleaner in Mumbai.

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Curiously enough... David also has a BA in Psychology.

Say no more that is the capper. With a B.A. in psychology this is the only job Wilcock can get.

And I've been known to speak in other people's heads. In broad daylight. live waking situations.

What say you?

If your circle of logic is too small, your circle of view is too small, your circle of comfort is too small...you will believe what is in front of you.... and then you will find yourself corralled by someone else's larger circle of logic.

[Cartomancer]

I agree Raf, When you examine the reincarnation phenomena everyone used to be someone famous and not the plumber or seamstress. Its always "I used to be someone important so now its o.k. for me to co-opt their entire personality and appearance." Always interesting is the anger that is expressed by the reincarnated Jesus or St. Germain when you tell them that you don't believe it. Always anger like they are astounded that you don't believe something like this. That is how the occult works you get someone to start repeating your outrageous b.s.

I once saw a documentary about Aleister Crowley in which he was walking with a journalist and telling him how he could control the actions of anyone. To demonstrate he pointed out the man walking in front of him and began to imitate his gate. Then Crowley intentionally stumbles and low and behold the man in front of him falls down as well. The journalist is impressed with Crowley's paranormal abilities and writes an article that convinces thousands of his psychic abilities.

The reality of this scenario likely involved Crowley calling a member of his order and telling him to wait at a given place and start walking in front of them as they approach. "Then wait about thirty seconds and stumble and fall." That's how easy it is people and we constantly eat up this crap sandwich that is handed to us while the real crimes are going on right under our noses. All of this b.s. is set up for a specific reason and they have us all chasing our tales around wonder about this load of garbage that is being presented to us.

Yes I have my own outrageous ideas as well but I always say "possible" "maybe" "given the facts may be true" etc.

I think in a past life I was the dooman at the Sands in Vegas during its gangster heyday. Or maybe I was a lower caste sewer cleaner in Mumbai.

¤=[Post Update]=¤


Curiously enough... David also has a BA in Psychology.

Say no more that is the capper. With a B.A. in psychology this is the only job Wilcock can get.

And I've been known to speak in other people's heads. In broad daylight. live waking situations.

What say you?

If your circle of logic is too small, your circle of view is too small, your circle of comfort is too small...you will believe what is in front of you.... and then you will find yourself corralled by someone else's larger circle of logic.

Then you should know what I'm thinking right now. I guess you write threads and replies here just as a matter of courtesy because you really don't need words do you?

[Carmody]

Being flippant will get you nowhere.

[Carmody]

Let me clarify.

You are touching on an area where you get the entire package, or none of it.

people come to these threads, and they come to such things (situations)...as they desire answers they desire forward motion, in some sort of unformed fashion that involves the depths of their emotions on what is 'right and correct' to them.

Ie, does one believe in psychic sensitivity?

Or not?

For if it is a thing one 'believes' in, then how can one then... place a limit on what it is and what it erupts... from?

What.. limit? a border? a definition that keeps it away from the self and then 'safe' to view, from that distance?

If you open that door, it is Pandora box, and the damn thing explodes..... it does not merely open a inch or two and then let some minor comforts and minimal ideas out.....that lightly massage the mind and thinking.

If one is honest with themselves, that if they feel that any of this is true, then one is truly going to be a fish out of water in any way one can imagine.

For a while, the floundering would be and is extreme.

And if one does not understand this, then their capacity for logic (thought form), which is rooted in the body's deepest responses, ie, cascades out of emotions..then one is lying to themselves.

And then..understand that the lie is a self block from the core, created by emotions. (emotions are more potent than logic's canvas, they are the guardians of the avatar's safety/continuance. But they can be put to rest, so they are no longer in charge. It's that moment of clarity, at the deathbed--when the body finally lets go. The trick is to have that clarity one's ENTIRE remaining life. THAT, boys and girls, is the core point of 'illumination'. )

All readers of this post do, on the deepest level, understand that this is true.... but very few, if any of you ....will ever take it on in the hard and real sense, and try to move past it.

Your mind will drive you away from it, it will stop any further rumination from taking place.

You won't evolve.

You'll block yourself from doing it or even recalling that any depth of it ---exists.

And that is the core component of your downfall.

[we-R-one]

If David Wilcock is the reincarnation of RA and actually wrote the Law of One, then wouldn't he know what he's talking about since it is imbedded in his very DNA?

If I remember correctly David never said he was the reincarnation of RA, I believe he said he was from the social memory complex of RA. I think a lot of people confuse that information.

[Arrowwind]

In his documentary The 2012 Enigma-viewed more than two million times- David Wilcock exposed many great secrets: DNA, consciousness science, wormholes, stargate travel, sacred geometry, three-dimensional time, the Mayan calendar, and much more. And in this book, his seminal work, he'll expose even more.

source: http://www.amazon.com/The-Source-Field-Investigations-Civilizations/dp/0525952047


Raf.

This is so laughable. I did watch some of that 2012 Egnima conference a few years ago but could not gag my whole way through it.

so he exposed many great secrets eh?
Those secrets were discussed in the halls of science and metaphysics when he was in diapers and dealing with pubescent acne....
He's merely a spin master for those who have not bothered to think these issues through on their own.

[Bill Ryan]

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David Wilcock has a very high intellect, and an exceptional ability to collect, store, recall, and synthesize information — and present it in a smooth, articulate way that engages his audience, whether in writing or audio/video/live. This has on many occasions done the alternative community a great service.

He has also on several occasions been a valuable friend, though I have not seen or spoken with him since the last Awake and Aware conference in September 2011. (I wanted to meet with him privately after the conference, and wrote to him to that effect, but he did not reply and has not contacted me since. I was disappointed.)

The other side of David’s personality is that he sees himself as an I’ll-save-Planet-Earth-on-my-own messiah, and his ego has been growing steadily year on year to a degree now when many, including Kerry and myself, find it uncomfortable to listen to him. His worldview has grown to become primarily self-centered, self-interested and self-promotional.

He is rarely able to admit being wrong; he is not as brave, stable or centered as he would like people to think he is; and his sources include three that Kerry and I at Project Camelot have now rejected as at least to some degree unreliable. (He has frequently irritated Kerry and myself by using Camelot witnesses, and source material, without crediting us as being the prime source of a significant amount of his information. He tends to be very territorial and competitive about his sources; Kerry and I have shared ours freely with him, but he has rarely reciprocated.)

To Kerry’s credit, she has rarely spoken as openly about him as I am doing now. But I think these things need to be said.

My personal view is that he is being played, in a clever handy-dandy-multi-purpose psy-op PART of which is intended to discredit him. I have not talked with Kerry recently about this (although I can guess her stance). David was way too quick to jump on the Drake nonsense, and I’m as sure as I can be that this was engineered, with or without Drake’s awareness.

One by one, moves are being made to discredit the key alternative media spokespeople. Take a moment to see it all from this point of view. It’s very ingenious, and very dangerous.

[Arrowwind]

Your mind will drive you away from it, it will stop any further rumination from taking place.

You won't evolve.

You'll block yourself from doing it or even recalling that any depth of it ---exists.

And that is the core component of your downfall.

:wizard:.........................................

[we-R-one]

In his documentary The 2012 Enigma-viewed more than two million times- David Wilcock exposed many great secrets: DNA, consciousness science, wormholes, stargate travel, sacred geometry, three-dimensional time, the Mayan calendar, and much more. And in this book, his seminal work, he'll expose even more.

source: http://www.amazon.com/The-Source-Field-Investigations-Civilizations/dp/0525952047


Raf.

This is so laughable. I did watch some of that 2012 Egnima conference a few years ago but could not gag my whole way through it.

so he exposed many great secrets eh?
Those secrets were discussed in the halls of science and metaphysics when he was in diapers and dealing with pubescent acne....
He's merely a spin master for those who have not bothered to think these issues through on their own.





You have to understand, many of us are not exposed to the "halls of science". Many of us were not awake then. We all learn differently and not from the same source which is why David has filled a niche. Higher consciousness is taking place and more and more people are beginning to pay attention to things they wouldn't have looked at many years ago. So regardless of whether David discovered the science or not, he has helped many of us open our eyes to studies that we didn't know existed.

We're not all going to think the same way and get our information from the same resources, that's just how it is. And there will be many more David's now and in the future whether it be on this planet or another for the very same reasons.

[9eagle9]

People believe in psychic sensitivity to suit themselves. Psychic , regardless that the sheeple like to believe in it as means of foretelling the future, means exactly what the word implies--Pertaining to the psyche. The word got re-programmed to mean something else.

Co-opting another's personality is possession--the primary function of archonic energies.

One becomes a parasite in human form that way. That David is influenced and has the personality type most prone to influence is obvious. Only the deeply insecure would attempt to assume someone else's identity. His obvious lack of self acceptance is not very well masked by making these declarations.

David isn't the target here, it's Cayce.

The first thing I would examine is ...what is about Cayce that is primarily beneficial?

In the all the Atlantis and predictive events hoopla (not realizing the function of a psychic is NOT to make predictive events--David's obviated blunder not even understanding what his own self description means)

He helped thousands of people cure themselves of various ailments using naturally occurring products.

This is where most of his important work was at. Thosands of examples of readings as compared to his remarks on Atlantis and predictive events that were of a collective nature.

He didn't try to figure out the dynamics of what he was doing, he just went to sleep and allowed.

This information came from within himself while asleep.

David gloms other's research up to fit to whatever best suits his world view.

Cayce was not personally engaged in his channeling but it occurred in a state of awareness, not consciousness.

Now what is important about Cayce, what is so threatening about him that David could be influenced to ASSUME Cayce's identity and mangle it to the point that anything that Cayce put out there that made irrelevant and irreverent.

Irreverence is a key program at work here. David has assumed a persona in an irreverent way. A way to make someone who bore some vital importance (which was primarily a means of allowing people to heal themselves) so that its lost in the flotsam and jetsam of his prattling wake.

Conversely when David is not treated reverently people get their knickers in a wad because they are playing right into this program.

The actual target here is Edgar Cayce, not David Wilcocks. He's the just the media , the weapon, the means of distorting the issue.

On a more personal level.

Even after those members of the Cayce's family 1) denied that he was Cayce (who was a humble man, a proclaimed to be in service to God unlike David who seldom refers to God in a personal way) 2) Cayce's family asked David to please tone down using Cayce to credentialize himself when the plants of his labor bore no fruit, David willfully kept doing just that.

Out of decency to the family you'd think he'd back down from this , instead he exploits it thinking he has a right to because "he is Cayce."

He now owns Cacyce .

David provides his own evidence.

Excuse the rest of us for examining it.

Jorr made an interesting point lately about all personality and no presence.

[RMorgan]

One by one, moves are being made to discredit the key alternative media spokespeople. Take a moment to see it all from this point of view. It’s very ingenious, and very dangerous.

Hey Bill,

I partially agree with you.

There might be some sort of psy-ops to discredit him and other folks withing the alternative scenario.

However, if you analyze this thread from the begining, from an unbiased point of view, you´ll see that David Wilcock has done a great job to discredit himself as well.

As always, a highly inflated Ego can be our greatest enemy, which might be the case here.

Usually, people with excess of self-confidence are the ones who make the biggest and most serious mistakes, and, if one of these mistakes happens to be the foundation of a work, well, the whole work might become compromised, just like a simple mistake can lead to an erroneous result while solving a mathematical equation.

One can´t build a solid house (work) without first building a solid foundation (mind).

If one tries to build a house above sand, without preparing the proper foundation for it, the whole house will eventually collapse, sooner or later...

I believe this is what this case is all about...

Cheers,

Raf.

[Carmody]

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David Wilcock has a very high intellect, and an exceptional ability to collect, store, recall, and synthesize information — and present it in a smooth, articulate way that engages his audience, whether in writing or audio/video/live. This has on many occasions done the alternative community a great service.

He has also on several occasions been a valuable friend, though I have not seen or spoken with him since the last Awake and Aware conference in September 2011. (I wanted to meet with him privately after the conference, and wrote to him to that effect, but he did not reply and has not contacted me since. I was disappointed.)

The other side of David’s personality is that he sees himself as an I’ll-save-Planet-Earth-on-my-own messiah, and his ego has been growing steadily year on year to a degree now when many, including Kerry and myself, find it uncomfortable to listen to him. His worldview has grown to become primarily self-centered, self-interested and self-promotional.

He is rarely able to admit being wrong; he is not as brave, stable or centered as he would like people to think he is; and his sources include three that Kerry and I at Project Camelot have now rejected as at least to some degree unreliable. (He has frequently irritated Kerry and myself by using Camelot witnesses, and source material, without crediting us as being the prime source of a significant amount of his information. He tends to be very territorial and competitive about his sources; Kerry and I have shared ours freely with him, but he has rarely reciprocated.)

To Kerry’s credit, she has rarely spoken as openly about him as I am doing now. But I think these things need to be said.

My personal view is that he is being played, in a clever handy-dandy-multi-purpose psy-op PART of which is intended to discredit him. I have not talked with Kerry recently about this (although I can guess her stance). David was way too quick to jump on the Drake nonsense, and I’m as sure as I can be that this was engineered, with or without Drake’s awareness.

One by one, moves are being made to discredit the key alternative media spokespeople. Take a moment to see it all from this point of view. It’s very ingenious, and very dangerous.



Thank you, Bill. That is also my conclusion.

That his prominence brought him to a point of notice where serious attempts at using him and discrediting him would then be squarely on the table.... as active and working considerations.

The moment that source field book entered the situation, regarding widespread distribution and any reading of it.... the teardown and discrediting, the false witnesses, the bodies provided, etc....all of that sort of thing would move into high gear.

That's how it works, folks.

[Arrowwind]

[My personal view is that he is being played, in a clever handy-dandy-multi-purpose psy-op PART of which is intended to discredit him. I have not talked with Kerry recently about this (although I can guess her stance). David was way too quick to jump on the Drake nonsense, and I’m as sure as I can be that this was engineered, with or without Drake’s awareness.

One by one, moves are being made to discredit the key alternative media spokespeople. Take a moment to see it all from this point of view. It’s very ingenious, and very dangerous.



Being played?

Does that mean that DW has no personal responsibility? he is a pawn? He has no self determiniation, no ethics? no standards? just a user of others for his own gain? prompted on by those playing him? he is controlled unwhittingly?

If this is true than I fully stand by every word I have said about him, not that I didn't before.

Clearly if this is true he has no guts and no fortitude to stand up to the forces that he exposes as evil and cannot be trusted for one single second. That he would use those who have tried to serve him and share with him is dispicable. I am truely sorry to hear that.

Sounds like he is discrediting himself to me. He needs no help. Its all in the choices he makes. He is responsible. How weak of a soul could he possibly be?

..... and where does being played come in when one makes false predictions, prophecy, that does not ever pan out anyway? he did this on his own and uses it to sell materials

In my view he stood discredited long before the sourse field was out there.

[Carmody]

And I add:

My point is that it does not matter if a alien struts across the road in front of you, or staggers across from gunshot wounds, or prances across in a ballerina's dress. the main point is that an alien crossed the road in front of you.

You've got someone out there doing the kind of job that needs to be done, in at least some fashion, and you are dumb enough to try and tear him down.

I repeat. dumb enough.

I repeat. dumb enough.

selfish enough.

Blind enough.

Visionless.

If you want to attack him and tear him down... then have the integrity to get out there and replace his value, in absolute concreteness and reality.

Offer yourself, in reality as a target and get the job done as well as he has.

If you can't and won't do that, then I'm not so sure (and nor should anyone else be) about your own value ---to yourself.

[RMorgan]

Being played?

Does that mean that DW has no personal responsibility? he is a pawn? He has no self determiniation, no ethics? no standards? just a user of others for his own gain? prompted on by those playing him? he is controlled unwhittingly?

If this is true than I fully stand by every word I have said about him, not that I didn't before.

Clearly if this is true he has no guts and no fortitude to stand up to the forces that he exposes as evil and cannot be trusted for one single second. That he would use those who have tried to serve him and share with him is dispicable. I am truely sorry to hear that.

Sounds like he is discrediting himself to me. He needs no help. Its all in the choices he makes. He is responsible. How weak of a soul could he possibly be?

..... and where does being played come in when one makes false predictions, prophecy, that does not ever pan out anyway? he did this on his own and uses it to sell materials

In my view he stood discredited long before the sourse field was out there.

Hi my friend,

I agree with you.

This is where things get philosophically complicated.

A person who wants to be any sort of leader, can´t have the luxury of making mistakes.

The bigger the power one may have to influence people, the bigger the responsibilities get.

Could you imagine, as an example, if Jesus made a mistake while allowing himself to be crucified? Then, basically our whole culture would be based on a mistake.

How about the current mess our world is right now? All of it is because people in high positions of influence made very serious mistakes.

So, if someone wants to be a leader, he should be psychologically prepared for it, which includes at least a very high degree of control over the Ego.

To sum up, in David Wilcok´s case, he might have been deliberately manipulated by external sources, but it doesn´t exempts him of his responsibilities over his actions and claims, since one of the most basic requirements for a person to be a leader, is to have the power of resisting external influences.

Any person with a huge Ego is a very good candidate for becoming a puppet, but each one of us is responsible for controlling our own Ego in the first place.

Cheers,

Raf.

[RedeZra]

Only we look at time as lineal, and time is actually spherical. All that is, exists in the present and always has been and always will be. The only animation is form and transform, which is done with a collective intention and held together like a hologram.

So, as long as people view time as linear and see reality from the perspective of the bible, their view will be very limited and primitive. All timelines and all lifetimes are happening right now in this present moment.


is this vetted by DW ?

i don't want to jump to conclusions based on a hypothesis


as it is reincarnation is an idea from the east

and like the ancient Greeks

there was a lot of thinking back then

[Arrowwind]

People believe in psychic sensitivity to suit themselves. Psychic , regardless that the sheeple like to believe in it as means of foretelling the future, means exactly what the word implies--Pertaining to the psyche. The word got re-programmed to mean something else.

Co-opting another's personality is possession--the primary function of archonic energies.

One becomes a parasite in human form that way. That David is influenced and has the personality type most prone to influence is obvious. Only the deeply insecure would attempt to assume someone else's identity. His obvious lack of self acceptance is not very well masked by making these declarations.

David isn't the target here, it's Cayce.

The first thing I would examine is ...what is about Cayce that is primarily beneficial?

In the all the Atlantis and predictive events hoopla (not realizing the function of a psychic is NOT to make predictive events--David's obviated blunder not even understanding what his own self description means)

He helped thousands of people cure themselves of various ailments using naturally occurring products.

This is where most of his important work was at. Thosands of examples of readings as compared to his remarks on Atlantis and predictive events that were of a collective nature.

He didn't try to figure out the dynamics of what he was doing, he just went to sleep and allowed.

This information came from within himself while asleep.

David gloms other's research up to fit to whatever best suits his world view.

Cayce was not personally engaged in his channeling but it occurred in a state of awareness, not consciousness.

Now what is important about Cayce, what is so threatening about him that David could be influenced to ASSUME Cayce's identity and mangle it to the point that anything that Cayce put out there that made irrelevant and irreverent.

Irreverence is a key program at work here. David has assumed a persona in an irreverent way. A way to make someone who bore some vital importance (which was primarily a means of allowing people to heal themselves) so that its lost in the flotsam and jetsam of his prattling wake.

Conversely when David is not treated reverently people get their knickers in a wad because they are playing right into this program.

The actual target here is Edgar Cayce, not David Wilcocks. He's the just the media , the weapon, the means of distorting the issue.

On a more personal level.

Even after those members of the Cayce's family 1) denied that he was Cayce (who was a humble man, a proclaimed to be in service to God unlike David who seldom refers to God in a personal way) 2) Cayce's family asked David to please tone down using Cayce to credentialize himself when the plants of his labor bore no fruit, David willfully kept doing just that.

Out of decency to the family you'd think he'd back down from this , instead he exploits it thinking he has a right to because "he is Cayce."

He now owns Cacyce .

David provides his own evidence.

Excuse the rest of us for examining it.

Jorr made an interesting point lately about all personality and no presence.

Thank you thank you thank you for this insight... I wish I could click on that thank you button 10 times. It evaded me.
Of course it is Cayce and his legacy that suffers the most here. I had not considered that.

I never accepted Cayce as DW's reincarnational predecessor. Personally, in my mind Cayce stands on his own merits that are enduring over time. A true healer and wisdom speaker with little ego. I do think he will weather this storm as long a Virgina Beach stands strong to support the legacy, regardless of what errors I see individuals making within that institution. Over all it is good.

I too had viewed DW as being disrepectful to the Cayce legacy but I had not really fully thought out the ramifications to that legacy. Seems he has done to the Cayce legacy exactly what has been done to Bill and Kerry.... and of course this was long before he had the notoriety to attract any psych op players to take interest in him and turn him into a pawn. So he was corrupted from the beginning?

and of course co-opting a personality is absolutley posession... he being his own weak link. It takes spiritual fortitude to avoid posession.

[we-R-one]

Hey folks,

About reincarnation, I think it´s a very complex subject.

Anyone can believe to be a reincarnation of someone else. The fact is, that it´s either impossible to prove it or disprove it, initially.

My alarms start ringing whenever someone claims to be the reincarnation of someone very famous, in David Wilcock´s case, two very famous and mystical characters, like Cayce and Rasputin.

If DW was an engineer or lawyer, I wouldn´t care about these claims.

However, since he´s involved basically with a similar line of work of these two persons from the past, it looks to me that he might be just trying to absorb their reputation to increase his own credibility.

Also, I don´t think that, in order to be the reincarnation of someone, you have to actually physically look like that person. Reincarnation is about the soul, not the body, right?

...

Go to this website below on reincarnation and truly take the time to read and discover on your own. I believe I have referenced this site to you before, but based on your comments I'm guessing you haven't read it thoroughly.

All of us have "joe the plumber" past lives. The reason you don't hear about it is because it's usually not traceable. In the same manner that we have all been no-namers, many of us have also been people of notoriety.

There are people out there with the same situation as David who find themselves surrounded by those from the past, this is not uncommon. If you go to the website I posted, you will see a similar story by Dr. Walter Semkiw, who's been studying reincarnation cases for many years. I too, have found myself in an identical situation where a past life of significance has me surround by people of today that were with me back in that lifetime and I haven't even really begun to explore that avenue much, so I can only imagine what I'll find when I take the time to go down that rabbit hole.

With all due respect, keep in mind, that just because you don't know about something or haven't experienced it, doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. This comment is for all, not just you. I say this with kindness - not trying to sound like a jerk here. From my own experience I will always say, you don't believe it till it starts happening to you and then it becomes so obvious, and you want people to know because if it can happen to you, it most certainly is happening to them, they just don't know it yet. And like you said, the whole reincarnation topic is very, very complex; you're not going to hear about it via mainstream resources soooooo, even more reason to take a closer look cause it's another truth that's being hidden from the masses because it leads you down the trail to knowing that you are consciousness and once you figure that out, you know "they" no longer have control of you and that is huge, huge, huge!

http://www.iisis.net/index.php?page=walter-semkiw-reincarnation-past-lives-past-life-expert

[Arrowwind]

This is where things get philosophically complicated.

A person who wants to be any sort of leader, can´t have the luxury of making mistakes.

The bigger the power one may have to influence people, the bigger the responsibilities get.

Could you imagine, as an example, if Jesus made a mistake while allowing himself to be crucified? Then, basically our whole culture would be based on a mistake.

How about the current mess our world is right now? All of it is because people in high positions of influence made very serious mistakes.

So, if someone wants to be a leader, he should be psychologically prepared for it, which includes at least a very high degree of control over the Ego.

To sum up, in David Wilcok´s case, he might have been deliberately manipulated by external sources, but it doesn´t exempts him of his responsibilities over his actions and claims, since one of the most basic requirements for a person to be a leader, is to have the power of resisting external influences.

Any person with a huge Ego is a very good candidate for becoming a puppet, but each one of us is responsible for controlling our own Ego in the first place.

Cheers,

Raf.

We do agree. The thing with mistakes is that mistakes can be forgiven when remorse is present and a learning comes out of it. Many great leaders have been forgiven mistakes... just look at Thomas Jefferson who provided us with so much yet had some very difficult issues that shadow his legacy. We are all just human... Yet in order to get past the mistakes the good done must far exceed the limited nature of the leader..... or .... a significant remorse and confession must follow.

[9eagle9]

In the same manner that we have all been no-namers, many of us have also been people of notoriety.

Agreed. And few among us have exploited that notoriety for profit.

What ones indelicately calls prostituting one's self.

[Arrowwind]

You have to understand, many of us are not exposed to the "halls of science". Many of us were not awake then. We all learn differently and not from the same source which is why David has filled a niche. Higher consciousness is taking place and more and more people are beginning to pay attention to things they wouldn't have looked at many years ago. So regardless of whether David discovered the science or not, he has helped many of us open our eyes to studies that we didn't know existed.

We're not all going to think the same way and get our information from the same resources, that's just how it is. And there will be many more David's now and in the future whether it be on this planet or another for the very same reasons.

I certainly was not exposed to the halls of sciencen or metaphysics to any great degree either... yet somehow, I found this information out. I would suggest that it was no big secret... All you have to do is open some contemporary books and magazines once in a while, watch a few movies, go to a few book stores to have a basic awareness of these discoveries and theories. Even local newspapers have discussed wormholes. But then I guess there are quite a few people who never learn anything... but by and large many of DWs followers are long time New Age groupies and these topics are not especially new to most of them..... that is my conjecture anyway. Look though his audiance... largely, they are not spring chickens.

[RMorgan]

Hey folks,

I´ve had some sort of minor insight here.

It´s about strategy.

For instance, what´s the first thing the USA do when it wants to dominate another country?

They secretly sponsor the election of a weak and easily manipulable leader. So, when they control this leader, they actually control the country.

Now, if we analyze this strategy, within the alternative media scenario, it also makes a lot of sense.

Why, usually, the alternative media characters who get the biggest exposure, are the ones with the most big and fragile Ego?

Because they can be easily manipulated, which gives the manipulator full control of the alternative media information flow.

When one can control the internet, one can also control which person will receive more website visitors, which website is going to display first on web searches, which will get their youtube videos better highlighted and so on...one can control whenever a person becomes a celebrity or not.

So, the point is, some characters aren´t getting manipulated because of their high exposure, but they might have achieved this high exposure because they are easily manipulable in the first place.

There´s a change that some characters are where they are right now because the government wanted/allowed/secretly sponsored them to be there, in the first place, so the government could have full control over the information flow.

Since we are so dependable on the internet these days, who controls the way information displays and flows on the internet, control all of us, and don´t doubt for a second that the "elite" has full control over the internet, because they do.

So, there´s also a chance that a big part of the whole alternative media scenario itself might be nothing but a huge psy-op.


Cheers,

Raf.

[we-R-one]

I certainly was not exposed to the halls of sciencen or metaphysics to any great degree either... yet somehow, I found this information out. I would suggest that it was no big secret... All you have to do is open some contemporary books and magazines once in a while, watch a few movies, go to a few book stores to have a basic awareness of these discoveries and theories. Even local newspapers have discussed wormholes. But then I guess there are quite a few people who never learn anything... but by and large many of DWs followers are long time New Age groupies and these topics are not especially new to most of them..... that is my conjecture anyway. Look though his audiance... largely, they are not spring chickens.

I kinda feel you're missing the point. We all learn differently and just because you think something is a resource doesn't mean everyone else thinks it to be their sole resource. That's why the information needs to come from a variety of sources. People have different learning levels, you have souls at various levels. If we all learned the same and got our information from the same resources....well that would be quite boring if you ask me.

[we-R-one]

In the same manner that we have all been no-namers, many of us have also been people of notoriety.

Agreed. And few among us have exploited that notoriety for profit.

What ones indelicately calls prostituting one's self.

I wouldn't get too hung up on the financial aspect of his claim. Just because money is involved doesn't necessarily negate the possibility of truth. We all buy and sell things for money, we all work for money, so that would make all of us prostitutes in some fashion or another don't ya think?

[Arrowwind]

I kinda feel you're missing the point. We all learn differently and just because you think something is a resource doesn't mean everyone else thinks it to be their sole resource. That's why the information needs to come from a variety of sources. People have different learning levels, you have souls at various levels. If we all learned the same got our information from the same resources....well that would be quite boring if you ask me.


I understand perfectly what you are saying and this is exactly why DW gets away with what he does. Intelligent people eventually go to the source of the subject matter and leave the puppets behind. DW is counting on people not going to the source, and I mean that on many levels.

[9eagle9]

I didn't say anything about the financial aspect of his claim.






In the same manner that we have all been no-namers, many of us have also been people of notoriety.

Agreed. And few among us have exploited that notoriety for profit.

What ones indelicately calls prostituting one's self.

I wouldn't get too hung up on the financial aspect of his claim. Just because money is involved doesn't necessarily negate the possibility of truth. We all buy and sell things for money, we all work for money, so that would make all of us prostitutes in some fashion or another don't ya think?

[ulli]

Maybe DW's life is so busy now that he doesn't have the time to explain every one of his brain farts to tribunals.
By the way, being in the warning business myself, as an astrologer, although on a much smaller scale,
I do know enough about prophecies not coming true.
That is the whole idea.
By painting the glorious as well as gloomy timelines in advance
the collective intent then can come in and take the sharp edge off the vision.
It helps to keep an even keel.

I'm sure David could rationalize every single one of his actions.
Even if he inadvertently helps the dark side, in the long run only good will come of this,
as a higher will is in charge of both sides.

[Arrowwind]

In the same manner that we have all been no-namers, many of us have also been people of notoriety.

Agreed. And few among us have exploited that notoriety for profit.

What ones indelicately calls prostituting one's self.

I wouldn't get too hung up on the financial aspect of his claim. Just because money is involved doesn't necessarily negate the possibility of truth. We all buy and sell things for money, we all work for money, so that would make all of us prostitutes in some fashion or another don't ya think?

Its not the money that is directly the issue. Prostitutes sell illusion and lies and try to pass it off as legitimate. They sell their soul for a buck. In this case prophecy is made to stimulate fear or hope in his followers ... his customers... The prophecy is proving always to be wrong. Books sell. Details are withheld to be found only in the books. Too may of DWs revelations are immediatley followed up with book sales.... dont you see?

Just like with a prostitue who's John seeks comfort, sexual expression or exploit, escape from lonliness, DW offers just about the same package. Except instead of within the sexual realm its all mental. Mental masturbation, if you ask me... but of course you didnt.

[we-R-one]

I understand perfectly what you are saying and this is exactly why DW gets away with what he does. Intelligent people eventually go to the source of the subject matter and leave the puppets behind. DW is counting on people not going to the source, and I mean that on many levels.


Ok, so if they go to the source, what's the harm? I like a lot of things David has done, and there are some things that I don't like, but the poor guy gets crucified for everything he does. Geeez, he's not perfect. There is no perfect human being out there and thank God for that, literally. People are not on the same level period, so we're not going to think the same, learn the same or believe in the same things, that's just how it is. That being said, I do understand the message you're trying to convey.

[we-R-one]

Its not the money that is directly the issue. Prostitutes sell illusion and lies and try to pass it off as legitimate. They sell their soul for a buck. In this case prophecy is made to stimulate fear or hope in his followers ... his customers... The prophecy is proving always to be wrong. Books sell. Details are withheld to be found only in the books. Too may of DWs revelations are immediatley followed up with book sales.... dont you see?

Just like with a prostitue who's John seeks comfort, sexual expression or exploit, escape from lonliness, DW offers just about the same package. Except instead of within the sexual realm its all mental. Mental masturbation, if you ask me... but of course you didnt.

EVERYBODY DOESN'T THINK LIKE YOU, that's why I feel you are missing the point.....it's not that you don't have a point, but the impression I get from your posts and others is they want everyone to think like them or they're an idiot- which I know that's probably not your intention, but that's how it's coming across to me.

[9eagle9]

There's a good rationalization to keep those in power, in power Ulli.

Excuse all of them. Excuse the chemtrails, and the slaughter of innocents, and the bloodshed and the disconnection from one's all self because all for the highest good, right?

Ring up say a victim of the MK Ultra progamme and reassure them their experiences--trauma, rape, abuse, chemical intervention, hypnosis, forcing of tormented alter egos-- and let them know their experience as all for the higher good. I dare you.

That is the greatest rationalization program the ptb have used to date.

Pay your taxes its all for the highest good.

Let Monsanto take over--its all goes back to the higher good.

Take a pill that rots your nervous system--its all for the highest good.

flouride in the water--its all for the highest good.

Haven't 'they' always told us everything they've ever imposed on us was 'all for the higher good'.

[Arrowwind]

They secretly sponsor the election of a weak and easily manipulable leader. So, when they control this leader, they actually control the country.

Now, if we analyze this strategy, within the alternative media scenario, it also makes a lot of sense.

Why, usually, the alternative media characters who get the biggest exposure, are the ones with the most big and fragile Ego?

Because they can be easily manipulated, which gives the manipulator full control of the alternative media information flow.

When one can control the internet, one can also control which person will receive more website visitors, which website is going to display first on web searches, which will get their youtube videos better highlighted and so on...one can control whenever a person becomes a celebrity or not.

So, the point is, some characters aren´t getting manipulated because of their high exposure, but they might have achieved this high exposure because they are easily manipulable in the first place.

There´s a change that some characters are where they are right now because the government wanted/allowed/secretly sponsored them to be there, in the first place, so the government could have full control over the information flow.

Cheers,

Raf.

This reminds me of Gloria Stienem who admitted that she received funding from the CIA.
What a disservice she did to herself and to the women of our world.
She surely prostituted herself as surely as if she stood on a street corner
for a social agenda that is failing humanity

[we-R-one]

I didn't say anything about the financial aspect of his claim.






In the same manner that we have all been no-namers, many of us have also been people of notoriety.

Agreed. And few among us have exploited that notoriety for profit.

What ones indelicately calls prostituting one's self.

I wouldn't get too hung up on the financial aspect of his claim. Just because money is involved doesn't necessarily negate the possibility of truth. We all buy and sell things for money, we all work for money, so that would make all of us prostitutes in some fashion or another don't ya think?

You're words, "And few among us have exploited that notoriety for profit" is what I was referencing. I wouldn't get hung up on that

[ThePythonicCow]

If you want to attack him and tear him down... then have the integrity to get out there and replace his value, in absolute concreteness and reality.

Offer yourself, in reality as a target and get the job done as well as he has.

As happens sometimes, I am unsure if I understand a post of yours :).

But it seems to me you're saying that no one is fit to criticise the work of another unless they pick up that work load themselves instead.

I would not agree with that, nor with insulting those who criticise Wilcock without replacing his contribution, simply on that basis.

[9eagle9]

This isn't about thinking, its about what is right in front of one's face if they care not to deny it based on some emotional need to have everything taken care of for them. Seeing deeper than what people are told or led to think. What people are SEEING , evidence, not what they 'think'.

For people who can't see that perhaps David isn't operating in an integrated way and the first peice of evidence is that he claims he is Edgar Cayce, one has closed their mind.


Like RMorgan said, most of the alternative media itself is turning into a great hand waving distraction. There may be a bare 2 percent, 5 percent, maybe 10 percent that has a purpose other than distracting people from what they should really be doing.




EVERYBODY DOESN'T THINK LIKE YOU, that's why I feel you are missing the point.....it's not that you don't have a point, but the impression I get from your posts and others is they want everyone to think like them or they're an idiot- which I know that's probably not your intention, but that's how it's coming across to me.

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There is more than one way to profit from something besides money and finances, that sort of one track mind thinking.




You're words, "And few among us have exploited that notoriety for profit" is what I was referencing. I wouldn't get hung up on that

[Arrowwind]

I'm sure David could rationalize every single one of his actions.
Even if he inadvertently helps the dark side, in the long run only good will come of this,
as a higher will is in charge of both sides.

Yes, hes pretty good at rationalization as well as avoiding confrontation
when his prophecies dont pan out
and blaming the redirection on events in the stars or other forces uncontrollable.
I do not agree that a higher will is in charge of both sides...
this is not Star Wars, and Darth Vader does not exist.
There is not a touch of good and redemption in all
and we certainly cannot ride on the hope that there is
lest we be taken in and used through our ignorance.
We must be all good at all times if we are to save our sorry asses
at this critical juncture in the human experiment
and if we cannot manage to be all good at all times we must
find our way to redemption as soon as possible

[Arrowwind]

There is more than one way to profit from something besides money and finances, that sort of one track mind thinking.

Well of course there is. I haven't even begun to discuss fame, influence, power, ccontrol of others, glory and glamour, attention and ego gratification...as well as social status in specific circles. One can only handle so much at a time. It is all a sort of illusionary wealth.

[9eagle9]

If you want to attack him and tear him down... then have the integrity to get out there and replace his value, in absolute concreteness and reality.

Offer yourself, in reality as a target and get the job done as well as he has.


I could name 25 people in this forum that have done just that, and exceeded David' Wilcocks egocentrism. Quietly, effectively, no fan fare, no media or dye jobs or fantastic claims of being re-born prophets needed. None of usual way of doing things, the old programmed spin cycle required and a number of them . People still expect Hollywood Rock Star media sensations to validate their heroes so they only follow those who exhibit the florid and grotesque media circus symptoms.

Those few mentioned aren't noticed because they don't have a big horse and story showmanship. They don't want to be noticed because they know that it isn't what it's about. A whisper says more than a loudspeaker.

Are they lost in David's shadow. Hardly they just know what is important. Their audience are people who also know what is important.

I know a number of people who support the A.R.E--one wonders how much David has contributed to 'his own' foundation.

[we-R-one]

This isn't about thinking, its about what is right in front of one's face if they care not to deny it based on some emotional need to have everything taken care of for them. Seeing deeper than what people are told or led to think. What people are SEEING , evidence, not what they 'think'.

For people who can't see that perhaps David isn't operating in an integrated way and the first peice of evidence is that he claims he is Edgar Cayce, one has closed their mind.


Like RMorgan said, most of the alternative media itself is turning into a great hand waving distraction. There may be a bare 2 percent, 5 percent, maybe 10 percent that has a purpose other than distracting people from what they should really be doing.


I will say the same to you as I said to Arrowwind, EVERYBODY DOESN'T THINK LIKE YOU, EVERYBODY DOESN'T "SEE" LIKE YOU. I'm bolding these words because when I see posts like yours and others who bash people I'm guessing you have a difficult time understanding this viewpoint, because if you did, you wouldn't say things in the manner that you do. I'm not saying you can't have an opinnion but I grow tired of the constant bantering back and forth that goes on in these forums. You obviously have some solid knowledge, so be the teacher that you are- take your energy and help others get to your level.

[ulli]

I'm sure David could rationalize every single one of his actions.
Even if he inadvertently helps the dark side, in the long run only good will come of this,
as a higher will is in charge of both sides.

Yes, hes pretty good at rationalization as well as avoiding confrontation
when his prophecies dont pan out
and blaming the redirection on events in the stars or other forces uncontrollable.
I do not agree that a higher will is in charge of both sides...
this is not Star Wars, and Darth Vader does not exist.
There is not a touch of good and redemption in all
and we certainly cannot ride on the hope that there is
lest we be taken in and used through our ignorance.
We must be all good at all times if we are to save our sorry asses
at this critical juncture in the human experiment
and if we cannot manage to be all good at all times we must
find our way to redemption as soon as possible




So what are YOU going to do about it?

[Arrowwind]

So what are YOU going to do about it?

which part of it are you referring to?
I do many things within my own circle of self
family and neighbors.
Today I endeavor to expose a fraud
so that others might find their freedom.
This record of conversation will be viewed by many
and they can make their own determination,
perhaps based on points of view they had not previously considered

[ulli]

So what are YOU going to do about it?

which part of it are you referring to?
I do many things within my own circle of self
family and neighbors.
Today I endeavor to expose a fraud
so that others might find their freedom.
This record of conversation will be viewed by many
and they can make their own determination,
perhaps based on points of view they had not previously considered




By IT I meant people having dubious motives.
Some don't even know what their own true motives are.
Keeping the regular self image as a person of moral values intact can be an "honorable" motive...
I agree. To a point.
I busy myself by peeling the layers of my own onion, and hope that such action may be an example to all those who read this post.

[9eagle9]

And I support that endeavor.

Thinking and seeing are not the same thing.

Apparently the people who can't see what is going, and depend on what they think are more correct than those who are actually observing what is going on and KNOW-ing it for what it is.

Those who are brainwashed are not ware of the fact they brainwashed.

Those who know how psychic operatives work, whether they are witting or unwitting agents, can observe the process at work. It's all out in the open, nothing is being hidden here. Again, people provide their own evidence.

People can deny the evidence or rationalize it or they can see it for what it is.

[9eagle9]

Self admitting to imposing psychological influence on other's is not exactly framing you in a trustworthy light.

That is archonic manipulation on it's own.

(shrug) People can and will continue to provide their own evidence.




And I've been known to speak in other people's heads. In broad daylight. live waking situations.

What say you?

If your circle of logic is too small, your circle of view is too small, your circle of comfort is too small...you will believe what is in front of you.... and then you will find yourself corralled by someone else's larger circle of logic.

[NancyV]

I neither disagree or agree, I'm only adding to the situation regarding that 'if one is not there in the specific place, then how can one pass judgement?'


As well, judgement is a fools game.... it anchors one in the self lies of their own past and disallows any further growth.

Most seriously, this is true... judgment is about as foolish an enterprise that one can engage in.
Ironically one who judges that judgments are foolish is judging...hence foolish. We could call that... "hoist with one's own petard".

[ThePythonicCow]

Self admitting to imposing psychological influence on other's is not exactly framing you in a trustworthy light.

That is archonic manipulation on it's own.

(shrug) People can and will continue to provide their own evidence.




And I've been known to speak in other people's heads. In broad daylight. live waking situations.
...

I apparently missed the place where Carmody said he imposed his influence, without permission or proper motivation.