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161803398
23rd May 2012, 02:13
http://www.youtube.com/watch?zIO4FgXN1CY

Its loud.

http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Thousands+take+streets+100th+strike/6661077/story.html#ixzz1vdbjshYj

NewFounderHome
23rd May 2012, 03:27
It is the 29 night time manifestation. They are arresting massive amount of peoples. The Liberal government in Quebec did pass a harsh law (law78) and Montreal did pass a law then you can be arrested for having a mask.

Kerrigan
23rd May 2012, 03:36
On my street, people were on their balcony, banging wooden spoons on metal casseroles at 8pm.

I filmed it:
http://s31.photobucket.com/albums/c392/miss_rock_star/?action=view&current=P1020772.mp4

I felt like everyone was thinking "I am mad as hell and I'm not gonna take it anymore!"

Unreal sensation to feel everyone united.

NewFounderHome
23rd May 2012, 03:56
Well that is normal! There is plainly way too much corruption and bullying done by the provincial and local governments.
They are elected by the population but they really works only for their own personnel interest and money. They are not there to represent the population, not at all. And this has been going for too long.

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Tomorrow might be a big Protest in Montreal.

NewFounderHome
23rd May 2012, 03:59
It is interesting to see the general media who don't accurately tell the story of what is going one during the protest. They are changing and hipping certain facts.

NewFounderHome
23rd May 2012, 04:09
Anonymous did stop certain government websites in Quebec and the Montreal police website. That was funny to here on the general media.

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The riot police squad of Montreal even called in the riot police squad of the provincial police SQ.

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It has been a 100 days since the start of protest.

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Now it is and will go beyond student protest. The government wants to pull in the general population in these protest it seems.

NewFounderHome
23rd May 2012, 04:13
The new law just put in place are not working it seems. The governments are running strait in a wall and they don't seem to see it.

Elly
23rd May 2012, 05:12
Funny that this month, Quebec's Public Health Direction is in publicity mode about the benefits of fluoridation. Less than 3% of Quebec population drinks fluoridated water (vs 75% in the States). Montreal always rejected fluoridation. Hope it stays that way. Well, back to topic now.

Elly
23rd May 2012, 11:13
Saturday night on Montreal's Rue Saint Denis, for example, a restaurateur was arrested on his own premises, apparently because he had pinned a red square, emblematic of the protests, to his shirt. As I read Section 30 of Bill 78 — Anyone who helps or induces a person to commit an offence under this Act is guilty of the same offence and is liable to the fine . . . — the restaurateur, (...), might be interpreted as guilty of breaking the law, simply because he'd welcomed protesters into his place. Even if untrue, that makes the law dangerously imprecise and open to abuse.

No surprise, every bright young lawyer in Quebec is now volunteering to work pro bono to help challenge Bill 78 in court, echoing a denunciation by the Quebec Bar Association.

(...)

It might have shifted some attention, too, from the cascade of sensational headlines expected to emerge from the Charbonneau inquiry into corruption in Quebec's construction industry, which launched Tuesday. And that may yet happen. But given the events of the past five days, it is now far less likely.

Read more: http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Tandt+Fallout+from+Quebec+student+protests+could+mean+trouble+Harper/6660796/story.html#ixzz1vgrXOxCu

Ki's
23rd May 2012, 11:51
Bless you all for your courage and determination!

Samsara
23rd May 2012, 12:14
More images of yesterday's 100th day strike of the Quebec (the province) Students:

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Solidarity from East Vancouver:

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Thank you East Vancouver.

NewFounderHome
23rd May 2012, 12:18
Well they seem to have arrested 100 protestors for the 100 day of protesting during the night. During the day yesterday, there was a big protestation.

Samsara
23rd May 2012, 12:19
Song for the students

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Free Will
23rd May 2012, 12:39
Qui n'avance pas recule: if you don't move forward you move backward

On ne recule pas

NewFounderHome
23rd May 2012, 12:40
Saguenay, Sept-Îles, Île de la madeleine did protest yesterday. We are not only talking about Montreal and Quebec. The complete province is waking up against this new law. There seems to be a general reaction against all that has been going on here in the past years, it is a build-up. Government corruption, municipal corruption, corruption in the construction field that impacts the cost of projects. The gaz de schiste, the very poor performance of managing many projects that are funded with the population’s money. There are generation of build-up....

mountain_jim
23rd May 2012, 15:10
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8156/7252767812_d69f1de30f_z.jpg


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/05/22/1094021/-STUNNING-The-Largest-Act-of-Civil-Disobedience-in-Canadian-History



While estimates ranged wildly – from 100,000 to 500,000 in the streets – the number is less significant than the civil disobedience that has thrust Montreal into the global revolution spotlight.
Authorities in Quebec, trying to counter the protests that have raged for over two months, passed "emergency" legislation last Friday that suspended the winter semester and effectively made protesting illegal. (The legislation, or Bill 78, stipulates that groups of 50 or more gathering must submit itineraries to the authorities in advance or be deemed illegal.)

Students and citizens in Montreal responded to the draconian legislation by streaming into the streets and defying Bill 78 in record numbers today. While the protests have been led by the significant student population in Montreal, the protests today contained cross-sections of the population.

Noting one of the more visible and noisy marches of the day, which was gatherings of both the young and old banging on pots and pans, Steve Faguy of The Gazette Tweeted the following:


I've covered quite a few protests. Never have I seen one that so resembled an actual popular uprising.

And writer Kris Holt had this to say regarding the emergent popular uprising:


Those on my street banging pots and pans are middle-aged or older. Much more than students now.
It seems that the legislature's attempts to quell protesting in Montreal has had the opposite effect, as many today streamed into the streets specifically to defy the anti-protesting emergency legislation.
As one of the student leaders, Gabriel Nadeau-Dubois, stated today:


"We want to make the point that there are tens of thousands of citizens who are against this law who think that protesting without asking for a permit is a fundamental right," he said, walking side-by-side with other protesters behind a large purple banner.
"If the government wants to apply its law, it will have a lot of work to do. That is part of the objective of the protest today, to underline the fact that this law is absurd and inapplicable."
Absurd indeed – and that absurdity seems to have awakened popular support for the students' plight, support that has increased dramatically in recent weeks.
The global revolution has officially arrived in Canada. And with student strikes and protests set for the summer, and with more of Montreal's citizenry falling behind the students, it's a revolution that may not be ending anytime soon.

Iran, Tunisia, Egypt, Spain, Greece, Israel, New York City, Montreal...

...we are witnessing an historic global uprising, as peoples across the globe continue to rise up in numbers and demand their political rights, demand social justice, demand economic fairness.

It's a struggle that is not just essential, but fundamentally human.

Arrowwind
23rd May 2012, 15:28
So what had the protestors been protesting about prior to passage of bill 78?

Amysenthia
23rd May 2012, 15:44
(I hate how this site will have a message dissappear when you are in the middle of writing it. So I am going to retype the whole thing in pages and post it again. But seriously can't something be done about this issue?)


know that our media in this country was controlled, but I just didn’t realized that it is as bad as it is. Would you believe that I read at least on newspaper per day, watch the local and national news daily and that this is the first that I have heard of these riots.

It just goes to show you that we in the U.S. are so fed propaganda. We get practically no news of the world and we get spoon fed mostly just war and how bad it is everywhere else. Just to keep us in that state of fear.

The truth is our govt does not want us to see what actually has an affect. The sad thing is that even when most US of A citizens find out the truth they are too dulled from drinking the fluoridated water and preservative ladened foods to have the energy/will to do anything about it.

Good luck to those brave people in Montreal. Please keep the updates coming since this seems to be the only way to find out about what is happening with our friends to the North.

Camilo
23rd May 2012, 15:54
It's happening all over the world!......the new generations are telling the old world that it's time to change a failing paradigme!....Hurraaaay!!

dAkapacity
23rd May 2012, 15:58
Wow! Great news. Hope this spreads like global wildfire!!!

mountain_jim
23rd May 2012, 17:07
(I hate how this site will have a message dissappear when you are in the middle of writing it. So I am going to retype the whole thing in pages and post it again. But seriously can't something be done about this issue?)


know that our media in this country was controlled, but I just didn’t realized that it is as bad as it is. Would you believe that I read at least on newspaper per day, watch the local and national news daily and that this is the first that I have heard of these riots.

It just goes to show you that we in the U.S. are so fed propaganda. We get practically no news of the world and we get spoon fed mostly just war and how bad it is everywhere else. Just to keep us in that state of fear.

The truth is our govt does not want us to see what actually has an affect. The sad thing is that even when most US of A citizens find out the truth they are too dulled from drinking the fluoridated water and preservative ladened foods to have the energy/will to do anything about it.

Good luck to those brave people in Montreal. Please keep the updates coming since this seems to be the only way to find out about what is happening with our friends to the North.

I have also noticed how under-reported this protest, as well as Iceland's bankster-system changes, have been in the US Lamestream Media.

sunflower
23rd May 2012, 17:23
So what had the protestors been protesting about prior to passage of bill 78?

Tuition fees

Kerrigan
23rd May 2012, 18:42
Tuition fees at start, yes. But people got really angry at the emergency law. Our freedom of expression is under attack.

Read more here: http://www.animalnewyork.com/2012/500000-in-montreal-say-****-you-to-emergency-protest-bill/

Ki's
23rd May 2012, 21:15
(I hate how this site will have a message dissappear when you are in the middle of writing it. So I am going to retype the whole thing in pages and post it again. But seriously can't something be done about this issue?)


know that our media in this country was controlled, but I just didn’t realized that it is as bad as it is. Would you believe that I read at least on newspaper per day, watch the local and national news daily and that this is the first that I have heard of these riots.

It just goes to show you that we in the U.S. are so fed propaganda. We get practically no news of the world and we get spoon fed mostly just war and how bad it is everywhere else. Just to keep us in that state of fear.

The truth is our govt does not want us to see what actually has an affect. The sad thing is that even when most US of A citizens find out the truth they are too dulled from drinking the fluoridated water and preservative ladened foods to have the energy/will to do anything about it.

Good luck to those brave people in Montreal. Please keep the updates coming since this seems to be the only way to find out about what is happening with our friends to the North.

FSTV (free speech tv) and LINK tv are both viewer sponsored news stations. Try Democracy now on these stations for undiluted news. They are available on satellite and cable tv services

ThePythonicCow
23rd May 2012, 21:49
(I hate how this site will have a message dissappear when you are in the middle of writing it. So I am going to retype the whole thing in pages and post it again. But seriously can't something be done about this issue?)
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Kerrigan
24th May 2012, 01:02
Tonight again, on my street, people were on their balcony, banging wooden spoons on metal casseroles at 8pm.

This was yesterday; spontaneous manifestations scattered through the city:
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DeDukshyn
24th May 2012, 01:13
Well good for them! All they want is affordable education ... oh my! No! Not That! If Our Harpy Gov't can spend hundreds of billions (its a lot for our country - don't laugh ;-) on crappy broken down used subs - the UK scammed us big time, a jet package that never had a second set of eyes, a useless gun registry, a new iron fist crime policy with hundreds of new prisons and laws, but it can't keep from raising tuition fees? Serious incompetence!

They just better all keep it civil, else they lose their effect.

enfoldedblue
24th May 2012, 11:06
I am a montrealer living in Australia. I only know about the protests through friends as it is not reported at all here. Just thought I'd share this.
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An Open Letter to English-Canadians, who might be feeling that Quebeckers have taken leave of their senses..


by Daniel Weinstock on Tuesday, May 22, 2012 at 5:09pm ·
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An open letter to my English-Canadian friends. Please circulate in your networks as you see fit.



You may have heard that there has been some turmoil in Quebec in recent weeks. There have been demonstrations in the streets of Montreal every night for almost a month now, and a massive demonstration will be happening tomorrow, which I will be attending, along with my wife, Elizabeth Elbourne, and my eldest daughter Emma.


Reading the Anglo-Canadian press, it strikes me that you have been getting a very fragmented and biased picture of what is going on. Given the gulf that has already emerged between Quebec and the rest of Canada in the wake of the 2011 election, it is important that the issues under discussion here at least be represented clearly. You may decide at the end of the day that we are crazy, but at least you should reach that decision on the basis of the facts, rather than of the distortions that have been served up by the G&M and other outlets.

First, the matter of the tuition hikes, which touched off this mess. The rest of the country seems to have reached the conclusion that the students are spoiled, selfish brats, who would still be paying the lowest tuition fees even if the whole of the proposed increase went through.

The first thing to say is that this is an odd conception of selfishness. Students have been sticking with the strikes even knowing that they may suffer deleterious consequences, both financial and academic. They have been marching every night despite the threat of beatings, tear-gas, rubber bullets, and arrests. It is, of course, easier for the right-wing media to dismiss them if they can be portrayed as selfish kids to whom no -one has ever said "no". But there is clearly an issue of principle here.

OK, then. But maybe the principle is the wrong one. Free tuition may just be a pie-in-the sky idea that mature people give up on when they put away childish things. And besides, why should other people pay for the students' "free" tuition? There is no such thing as "free" education. Someone, somewhere, has to pay. And the students, the criticism continues, are simply refusing to pay their "fair share".

Why is that criticism simplistic? Because the students' claim has never been that they should not pay for education. The question is whether they should do so up front, before they have income, or later, as taxpayers in a progressive taxation scheme. Another question has to do with the degree to which Universities should be funded by everyone, or primarily by those who attend them. So the issue of how to fund Universities justly is complicated. We have to figure out at what point in people's lives they should be paying for their education, and we also have to figure out how much of the bill should be footed by those who do not attend, but who benefit from a University-educated work force of doctors, lawyers, etc. The students' answer to this question may not be the best, but then it does not strike me that the government's is all that thought out either.

And at least the students have been trying to make ARGUMENTS and to engage the government and the rest of society in debate, whereas the government's attitude, other than to invoke the in-this-context-meaningless "everyone pays their faire share" argument like a mantra, has been to say "Shut up, and obey".

What strikes the balance in the students' favour in the Quebec context is that the ideal of no up-front financial hurdles to University access is enshrined in some of the most foundational documents of Quebec's Quiet Revolution, in particular the Parent Commission Report, which wrested control of schools from the Church and created the modern Quebec education system, a cornerstone of the kind of society that many Quebeckers see themselves as aspiring to. Now, it could be that that ideal is no longer viable, or that we may no longer want to subscribe to it. But moving away from it, as Charest's measures have done, at least requires a debate, analogous to the debate that would have to be had if the Feds proposed to scrap the Canada Health Act. It is clearly not just an administrative measure. It is political through and through. Indeed it strikes at fundamental questions about the kind of society we want to live in. If this isn't the sort of thing that requires democratic debate, I don't know what is.

The government has met the very reasonable request that this issue, and broader issues of University governance, be at least addressed in some suitably open and democratic manner with silence, then derision, then injunctions, and now, with the most odious "law" that I have seen voted by the Quebec National Assembly in my adult memory. It places the right of all Quebec citizens to assemble, but also to talk and discuss about these issues, under severe limitations. It includes that most odious of categories: crimes of omission, as in, you can get fined for omitting to attempt to prevent someone from taking part in an act judged illegal by the law. In principle, the simple wearing of the by-now iconic red square can be subject to a fine. The government has also made the student leaders absurdly and ruinously responsible for any action that is ostensibly carried out under the banners of their organizations. The students groups can be fined $125000 whenever someone claiming to be "part" of the movement throws a rock through a window. And so on. It is truly a thing to behold.

The government is clearly aware that this "law" would not withstand a millisecond of Charter scrutiny. It actually expires in July 2013, well before challenges could actually wind their way through the Courts. The intention is thus clearly just to bring down the hammer on this particular movement by using methods that the government knows to be contrary to basic liberal-democratic rule-of-law principles. The cynicism is jaw-dropping. It is beneath contempt for the government to play fast and loose with our civil rights and liberties in order to deal with the results of its own abject failure to govern.



So that is why tomorrow I will be taking a walk in downtown Montreal with (hopefully!) hundreds of thousands of my fellow citizens. Again, you are all free to disagree, but at least don't let it be because of the completely distorted picture of what is going on here that you have been getting from media outlets, including some from which we might have expected more.



Daniel

NewFounderHome
24th May 2012, 12:20
I must say then I'm proud of the young generation that is taking that stand. I hope they will be resilient in time. There are many changes that should be done. Some hide in the back of democratic structure and rules to not represent the population. Yesterday night they started to do cattle arrest. They circle up folks and arrest them. They did arrest it seems 475 people and gave them a fine of 654$. The aim seems to be to put protesters under financial constraint. Let's not forget then at the origin of this protest several months ago, it was against the schooling fees going up in a drastic way, or another way of looking at it is to create a major financial burden on the students so they will react like the rest of the population and fall in line with i must work to pay all my deeds towards the financial institution. So if they have this burden they will fall in line.

NewFounderHome
24th May 2012, 12:25
It seems then the rest of the population in a major way is reacting in the, I'm must work to pay all my deeds to the banks so they don't want to take part. Even if they see all the corruption and all that is going on they want to stay in their little comfort zone. They don't seem to want to stand up for them self’s.

They are still sheep!

DeDukshyn
24th May 2012, 21:47
I found this in my mailbox today: http://www.avaaz.org/en/quebec_protests/?cl=1829529955&v=14646

Avaaz is an organization that helps get your voice heard via petitions. I use them regularly to support the things that I feel important via this method. They take donations and but you don't have to donate to particpate in any of the petitions.

WhiteFeather
24th May 2012, 22:00
It's happening all over the world!......the new generations are telling the old world that it's time to change a failing paradigme!....Hurraaaay!!

Loving your consciousness on that quote. Bliss!!!!!

Deega
24th May 2012, 23:22
Thanks 161803398, yes!, great happening in the Quebec Province as of late!, I have been following it for a while now, particularly reading Richard Martineau Chronique in the «Journal du Québec».

He is arguing that the different Union Groups are behind the Student Mouvement. As some of you may be aware, the «Fédération des Travailleurs du Québec (FTQ)» have lost their battle with the Québec Government over «hiring practices» by the FTQ. And they (FTQ) were in search of a way to get rid of the Government, they couldn’t find a better representative using their youth.

And strangely, Union representatives have not come publicly to deny Martineau claims. And if you make a search on the Web, you will see that, even the Canadian Unions are financing the Student Mouvement, so no wonder!, they (Students Federations) will continue their movement trying to get rid of Charest Government, it may be a good thing or not, replacing bring surprises.

Don’t misunderstand me, I think that rebelling on government actions is the most important thing but when an organized body uses our youth for their purposes, then, I have a sad feeling adults are manipulating.

And Yes!, Law 78 is unpopular, will not do the job.

All the best to you.

Deega

NewFounderHome
24th May 2012, 23:54
Here is a video in French. Sorry and no i will not do a translation of it.

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Seikou-Kishi
25th May 2012, 00:39
It is the 29 night time manifestation. They are arresting massive amount of peoples. The Liberal government in Quebec did pass a harsh law (law78) and Montreal did pass a law then you can be arrested for having a mask.

That alone should tell people all they need to know

Flash
25th May 2012, 00:54
Thanks 161803398, yes!, great happening in the Quebec Province as of late!, I have been following it for a while now, particularly reading Richard Martineau Chronique in the «Journal du Québec».

He is arguing that the different Union Groups are behind the Student Mouvement. As some of you may be aware, the «Fédération des Travailleurs du Québec (FTQ)» have lost their battle with the Québec Government over «hiring practices» by the FTQ. And they (FTQ) were in search of a way to get rid of the Government, they couldn’t find a better representative using their youth.

And strangely, Union representatives have not come publicly to deny Martineau claims. And if you make a search on the Web, you will see that, even the Canadian Unions are financing the Student Mouvement, so no wonder!, they (Students Federations) will continue their movement trying to get rid of Charest Government, it may be a good thing or not, replacing bring surprises.

Don’t misunderstand me, I think that rebelling on government actions is the most important thing but when an organized body uses our youth for their purposes, then, I have a sad feeling adults are manipulating.

And Yes!, Law 78 is unpopular, will not do the job.

All the best to you.

Deega

your post explains very clearly the mix feeling I have had since the beginning of these protests. In Quebec, Unions ARE stronger than government and no, they are not on the good side of the fence, they have much much power. To me they are PTB as well.

I thought since the beginning that Unions are behind these whole protest and that the 3 students at the head of it are going to have very good Union job offers when it is over.

I am also mixed for the tuitions. On one hand, I think education should be free, on the other hand, they are paying the exact same tuition I was paying in 1983. The lowest tuition fees in North America (about 1500 per year for excellent universities). We are the ones paying the remaining with our taxes, yet we are the ones not being able to take the subway, not being able to go to work in the morning.

The other thing is that why are they protesting ONLY in Montreal. Why not in Quebec City where the government is? Montreal economy and city is a destitute from the Quebec governement, we have nothing back from our taxes, our street look like Iraq war torn streets, our economy is in dismay while Quebec city is going very well, has large highway and not potholes nor unemployment. Why destroy Montreal still more? Why not Quebec City, since Montreal region citizen votes worth only on half of the votes of the rest of the province (yes, believe it, 3 million people's vote worth the one an half million elsewhere because of the electoral map, this is most probably why we get nothing to repair our environment). The student not protesting in Quebec City IS suspicious by itself. The government in in Quebec City.

All in all, I thnk this protest has been pushed by Unions to make sure we do get laws prohibiting free will and free demonstration and freedom altogether. Here it is the unions that do the PTB jobs. And of course the govt will make the laws, this is a planned situation (CIA must still be doing their study to see how we will react, as they did in 1970).

Edit: I forgot to add something more suspicous: presently there is an inquest into the bribes that would have been given to the government and its ministers by mafia owned companies doing construction work for the province. All of a sudden, the whole scandal is going under since we only hear of student protest. Hum, suspicious as well.....

Deega
25th May 2012, 01:33
Thanks Flash, you are probably right, the 3 students might have a great job with the Unions in time. Yes!, Québec tuition is the lowest in Canada! Protesting in Montréal have a greater influence on the media, Québec City is small, not as much students as in Montréal, impact is much greater!


«All in all, I thnk this protest has been pushed by Unions to make sure we do get laws prohibiting free will and free demonstration and freedom altogether».

From Martineau perspective, the Union (FTQ particularly) was mad that the Charest government «takes away» the FTD hiring practices, this happened beginning this year if I’m correct!


«Edit: I forgot to add something more suspicous: presently there is an inquest into the bribes that would have been given to the government and its ministers by mafia owned companies doing construction work for the province. All of a sudden, the whole scandal is going under since we only hear of student protest. Hum, suspicious as well.....»

What is happening, corruption is rampant in the Construction Industry, and the Quebec Opposition has ran, in concert with the Media, valid pressure on the Quebec Government to put up a Public Commission (similar to the Gormley Commission) to investigate corruption (at large) within the Industry. It is called «Commission Charbonneau», they started their work this week. So we will be hearing great information in weeks to come.

Stay tuned to this Quebec Commission.

All the best to you.

Deega

NewFounderHome
25th May 2012, 01:44
We should maybe start a threat named the Construction Industry Quebec Commission or something like that!

Flash
25th May 2012, 01:46
We should maybe start a threat named the Construction Industry Quebec Commission or something like that!

oh yes, talk about conspiracy

NewFounderHome
25th May 2012, 01:48
Go for it Flash, Go for it!

;)

Flash
25th May 2012, 01:54
Go for it Flash, Go for it!

;)

rrealllly no time,about15 minutes a day to read and post on forums, and lately less. Could not do the research appropriately.

Spacyman
25th May 2012, 02:41
I'm so glad to find a thread on this here on avalon! :cool:


I walk the streets of Montreal and come across large groups of people protesting peacefully with they pots and pans, making noise, for the change. Peacefull noise to stand against the oppression.

This is huge. This is the world changing. This is the world rising.

I'm so proud to live in such times.

Samsara
25th May 2012, 02:42
Protests are going on all over the province, not only Montréal. I'm in the Outaouais region and just heard the protesters going by from a distance. We also have our share of police brutality. Rallies are held in Montréal because it is more central for everyone and where the most students are.

I bang my casserole against bill 78.

Kerrigan
25th May 2012, 02:55
I banged my casserole tonight as well! Only to find out there was a huuuuge march going on just a street from my place, I walked to there (banging) and oh my the crowd.... Quebecois united against the tyranny of law 78!!!

I talked to a lot of ppl, and they all agree, it's not about the institution fees anymore, it's about freedom of speech, it's about law 78.

NewFounderHome
25th May 2012, 03:37
Protesters are at it tonight also. Let it be the beginning of change. Finish the old pass stories.

Free Will
25th May 2012, 04:13
"I bang my casserole against bill 78."

ditto :)

"Quebecois united against the tyranny of law 78!!!"

A palpable feeling of solidarity i have never felt, always wished to, in my 30 years here.

Lot's of choppers out tonight!

The energy here is intense.

Exciting!

Kerrigan
25th May 2012, 04:20
Tonight! On my street! Protest still going on at midnight! Check out my video:

http://s31.photobucket.com/albums/c392/miss_rock_star/?action=view&current=P1020774.mp4

Free Will
25th May 2012, 04:35
Thanks for the videos Kerrigan. Appreciated.

I've taken lot's of footage this week also.

Maybe i'll post some when i figure out how and have the time.

cheers

NewFounderHome
25th May 2012, 12:01
The 101th night time Protestation. Well last night, there was protestation in many cities across the province of Quebec. Montreal, Granby, Sherbrook, and i guess Jonquière or Alma. There were few arrestations, i guess the police did finally understand or they took a break. The general population might be gradually turning against the government. It seems then the ego of the government might be put to the test.

Vive le Quebec libre!

sunflower
25th May 2012, 12:47
We should maybe start a threat named the Construction Industry Quebec Commission or something like that!
Excellent idea. It would be good to find out what the "real" agenda is behind the student protest. It will probably morph into the Occupy Montreal protests this summer in various bourroughs eg Plateau and St. Henri areas. (Mtl Gazette).

Kerrigan
25th May 2012, 14:59
"Real" agenda?

It's a grass root movement dear sunflower. Of course other will join the cause. But IMHO there is no agenda, except freedom of expression.

sunflower
25th May 2012, 16:32
"Real" agenda?

It's a grass root movement dear sunflower. Of course other will join the cause. But IMHO there is no agenda, except freedom of expression.

I sincerely hope it's a grass roots movement. Well we'll have to wait and see.

Kerrigan
25th May 2012, 19:25
Article on the subject from: http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=31029


Well over 100,000 people marched through the streets of Montreal on Tuesday to mark the 100th day of the student strike

Quebec authorities have begun to make use of the sweeping repressive powers contained in Bill 78—the emergency legislation the provincial Liberal government rushed through the National Assembly late last week to suppress the province-wide student strike.

On Tuesday evening, just hours after 150,000 people had demonstrated in Montreal to mark the 100th day of the strike and denounce Bill 78, police invoked the new law to declare a nighttime student protest illegal.

In addition to criminalizing the student strike, Bill 78 makes all demonstrations in Canada’s second most populous province—irrespective of their cause—illegal, unless organizers have submitted to police more than eight hours in advance the protest route and duration and undertaken to abide by any changes demanded by the police.

The organizers of Tuesday’s nocturnal protest, the 29th successive evening demonstration held in downtown Montreal in support of the student strike, had defied the legal requirement that they seek police permission for their demonstration. Citing this failure, the police declared the protest an “illegal assembly,” then used tear-gas and baton charges to disperse the crowd of more than 2,000.

In the melee that followed, 113 people were arrested. According to police none of these arrests were for violating Bill 78 itself. Rather they were for alleged acts of violence committed while resisting the police’s violent dispersal of the protest or for wearing a mask. The same day that Quebec’s provincial government adopted Bill 78, Montreal City Council, also meeting in special session, passed a bylaw that makes it illegal to wear any face covering—including face-paint, a niqab or a scarf—while demonstrating.

Although Montreal police chose on Tuesday night to use Bill 78 only as a pretext for their declaring the protest illegal, they told a press conference yesterday that they may, at a future date, charge the protest organizers with violating the new law.

In Sherbrooke, the city that Quebec Premier Jean Charest represents in the Quebec legislature, police have gone further. On Monday evening they arrested 36 people and charged them under Bill 78’s Article 16 with participating in an unauthorized demonstration. If convicted, the 36 face a minimum fine of $1,000 and could be ordered to pay as much as $5,000.

Tuesday’s massive march in Montreal attests to the widespread support for the students’ struggle against the government’s plans to raise university tuitions by more 80 percent over the next seven years and a groundswell of popular opposition to Bill 78.

Even the corporate media, which has strongly supported the tuition hikes and defended Bill 78 as a necessary measure to quell violence and disorder, was forced to concede Wednesday that far from ending the “social crisis,” the government’s draconian law has exacerbated it.
The placard reads: “Ontario student(s)
against Bill 78.”

An opinion poll conducted by one of Quebec’s most respected pollsters found that 78 percent of Quebecers believe the government has “gone too far” and, despite the massive media campaign aimed at depicting the students as violent and selfish, found respondents equally split between those for and against the government’s attempt to legislate against the students. The poll found opposition to Bill 78 concentrated among the young, those with “low revenues,” and residents of Montreal.

Emerging from a cabinet meeting Wednesday, Education Minister Michelle Courchesne said she was ready to meet with leaders of the three province-wide student associations, including representatives of CLASSE (The Broader Coalition of the Association for Student-Union Solidarity), which the government has repeatedly denounced as “extremist,” most recently because it has said it will not submit to Bill 78.

However, even as she proclaimed that the government’s “door is open,” Courchesne made clear that the government remains as determined as ever to force through the tuition fee hikes, which are only an element in its sweeping austerity program. Courchesne explicitly ruled out any discussion of a moratorium or delay in implementing the tuition fee hikes, let alone reducing or rescinding them, and said the government is not prepared to discuss any changes to Bill 78.

A demonstrator with a placard making allusion
to the Trudeau Liberal government's imposition
of the War Measures Act in October, 1970

The leaders of the student associations have nonetheless indicated a willingness to resume talks with the government. Earlier this month, under pressure from the leaders of Quebec’s principal trade unions, they signed on to a sellout agreement that not only called for the implementation of the tuition hikes in full, but also for the establishment of a government-business dominated tripartite committee under which student leaders would have worked with the government to cut university spending. This agreement subsequently collapsed because of massive student opposition.

While denouncing Bill 78 as an unprecedented attack on democratic rights, the trade unions have announced that they will comply with all its provisions, including those that conscript teachers into the government’s drive to break the student strike. The unions are seeking to use their political and financial influence over the student associations and the student movement to promote their longtime ally the Parti Quebecois (PQ)—a big business party which when it last held power implemented the greatest social spending cuts in Quebec history.

The leaders of Quebec Solidaire(QS), a Quebec nationalist party that presents itself as a leftwing alternative to the PQ, meanwhile, have backed away from statements from their lone member of the Quebec legislature that suggested they were counseling defiance of Bill 78. The comments of Amir Khadir had been vehemently denounced both by the QS’s establishment opponents and by editorialists, who said that those not prepared to uphold the laws adopted by the National Assembly have no right to serve in it. “We cannot encourage defiance of Bill 78,” announced Francoise David, QS’s co-leader Wednesday.

The Quebec students and their supporters must draw far-ranging conclusions from the all-out campaign being mounted against them not only by the Charest Liberal government, but by the Canadian ruling class as a whole. The capitalist elite fear and hate the student strike because it represents an implicit challenge to their class strategy—their drive to make the working class pay for the breakdown of capitalism through austerity measures that aim to destroy all the social benefits working people won through the great social struggles of the last century.

To prevail, the students must make their strike the catalyst for the mobilization of the working class in Quebec and across Canada in an industrial and political offensive against all social spending, job and wage cuts and for a workers’ government.

The World Socialist Web Site spoke with some of those who participated in Tuesday’s mammoth march in Montreal
Grade 11 student, Alexis Chartrand

Alexis Chartrand is one of the many high school, students who have become politically activated by the student strike. He told the WSWS: “The emergency legislation is totally abusive on the government’s part. They cannot pass a law that restricts the fundamental freedoms in the [Canadian and Quebec] Charters [of rights]—it is unthinkable. It’s very dangerous to push through laws in the name of public security. There are lots of fascist, dictatorial, regimes that came to power like that. We must be watchful and ensure that public safety not become an excuse to reduce peoples’ freedoms.

“I don’t think that a democratic government can afford to break a popular protest movement with such overt repression. It will eventually have to listen.

“I am fighting for university education to be a right. I think that education, health care and essential public services should be totally free for everyone. This is an elementary egalitarian measure which should be assured in contemporary society. But certainly in a context of crisis, negotiations are necessary and a little give-and-take is required to arrive at some agreement.”

Alexis was aware of the parallels between what is happening in Quebec and Europe. “The more you push people to the limit, the more they will push back and seek to regain what was lost. We see what is happening in Greece and Italy: There are big economic problems and the population is paying heavily for the current economic system. In Quebec, even if we are much less worse off than in Greece, there are still unjust measures—measures that we are beginning to stand up against, so that they do not pass.”

Estelle, Sandrine, and Asma

Estelle, Sandrine and Asma attend Sophie-Barat Secondary School.

Both Estelle and Sandrine spoke out forcefully against Bill 78. “It’s almost becoming a dictatorship where you don’t have the right to say or do anything,” said Estelle.

Added Sandrine, “I really feel that I’m living under a dictatorship with this law. I do not find it normal that we should feel unsafe in wearing the red squares [the symbol of the student strike] in front of police officers. It is not normal for Quebec to sink to the point where political opinions can be so derided.”

Asked why they thought the government is so intransigent, Sandrine said, “I think that there was pressure from richer people, so that they can avoiding paying their share of what they should pay.”

Asma complained about an opinion poll that had claimed Quebecers massively supported Bill 78. “I believe that polls are biased. La presse`s Thursday poll on the legislation was conducted before details of the Bill were even given. Then we see after the Bill’s passage that people do not agree with it. Whenever I talk to people in the street, most are for the student movement, and not against it. In recent demonstrations, people cheered us on the street.

“The majority of the population is in from the middle class and the poor, and if we were to unite to protest against inequality, it would be a much larger movement than the current one protesting the tuition fee increases.”

Laval University teacher Emil Grigorov

Emil Grigorov a lecturer at the Université Laval in Quebec City, explained that Bill 78 had caused him to come out in the street in support of the students. “This law is a fundamental attack on democratic principles. It is an undemocratic law and recognized to be unconstitutional legislation. It must be stopped.

“I think [the government] is under pressure from big business and that it has reached sort of an impasse. I do not think that it will succeed in breaking the student movement since this is more than a student movement. It's much broader, a social movement, a political movement … a movement for democracy.

“Myself I lived under dictatorship [in Bulgaria]. I spent half of my life under a totalitarian regime, and it always starts with little changes here, small attacks against democracy there, and finishes with the abolition of democracy.”

Kerrigan
26th May 2012, 01:23
Under the heavy thunderstorm, people of every walk of life were manifesting again tonight on the busiest streets of Montreal against law 78. The city is literally vibrating to the sound of the banging!

A movement like this was never seen before in Montreal since the calm revolution of the sixties. I am amazed by the solidarity of the Quebec people against tyranny, truly inspiring.

NewFounderHome
26th May 2012, 02:04
It is going way over the simple subject of touching fees. It is taking a stand for are basic rights being taken away and saying NO, we don't agree to being blindly robed by the same folks we put in place or by the corporation that string deals with some elected's and their subs.

Flash
26th May 2012, 02:57
I am amaze at the number of montrealer/quebecer here. We should all meet for fun.

gigha
26th May 2012, 03:15
Make sure you bring a pot or two :hippie: :rockon:
Seriously if any of you Quebec Avalonians could get together and then give some thoughts about the experience.
I think it could be great insight into the situation.

peace and love gigha


I am amaze at the number of montrealer/quebecer here. We should all meet for fun.

sandy
26th May 2012, 03:19
I hope you all do meet up and get to know each other in person. You are very blessed to have like minded others and support at hand. I can only wish ~!~ :thumb:

gigha
26th May 2012, 04:56
Well this is what the CBC has to say about the Montreal protests.
Please click the link and if you get commercials, adverts to some,
Sorry not my fault. Just skip it the commercials that is. :canada:


:grouphug:

http://www.cbc.ca/video/#/News/1221258968/ID=2239495785

161803398
26th May 2012, 06:34
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/05/25/montreal-pots-and-pans-video-bill-78_n_1546694.html

artistic version -- its very nice.

Free Will
26th May 2012, 23:31
Half an hour until the 'casseroles' come back out to play.

At this juncture, I'm personally not very concerned about any possible untoward agenda..too moved and inspired to be concerned.

The overwhelming positive momentum leaves little room for that.

We'll see.

Onward



I am optimistic.

NewFounderHome
27th May 2012, 03:27
Pot and pans where out in the streets of Repentigny, Quebec. Smaller towns are jumping in. There is a movement picking up. There is no dough!

Free Will
27th May 2012, 05:15
An open letter to the mainstream english media

http://translatingtheprintempserable.tumblr.com/post/23754797322/an-open-letter-to-the-mainstream-english-media

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An Open Letter to the Mainstream English Media:


http://translatingtheprintempserable...-english-media

Thank you; you are a little late to the party, and you are still missing the mark a lot of the time, but in the past few days, you have published some not entirely terrible articles and op-eds about what’s happening in Quebec right now. Welcome to our movement.

Some of you have even started mentioning that when people are rounded up and arrested each night, they aren’t all criminals or rioters. Some of you have admitted that perhaps limiting our freedom of speech and assembly is going a little bit too far. Some of you are no longer publishing lies about the popular support that you seemed to think our government had. Not all of you, mind you, but some of you are waking up.

That said, here is what I have not seen you publish yet: stories about joy; about togetherness; about collaboration; about solidarity. You write about our anger, and yes, we are angry. We are angry at our government, at our police and at you. But none of you are succeeding in conveying what it feels like when you walk down the streets of Montreal right now, which is, for me at least, an overwhelming sense of joy and togetherness.

News coverage of Quebec almost always focuses on division: English vs. French; Quebec-born vs. immigrant; etc. This is the narrative that has shaped how people see us as a province, whether or not it is fair. But this is not what I feel right now when I walk down the street. At 8pm, I rush out of the house with a saucepan and a ladle, and as I walk to meet my fellow protesters, I hear people emerge from their balconies and the music starts. If you do not live here, I wish I could properly convey to you what it feels like; the above video is a start. It is magic. It starts quietly, a suggestion here and there, and it builds. Everybody on the street begins to smile. I get there, and we all—young and old, children and students and couples and retirees and workers and weird misfits and dogs and, well, neighbours—we all grin the widest grins you have ever seen while dancing around and making as much noise as possible. We are almost ecstatic with the joy of letting loose like this, of voicing our resistance to a government that seeks to silence us, and of being together like this.

I have lived in my neighbourhood for five years now, and this is the most I have ever felt a part of the community; the lasting impact that these protests will have on how people relate to each other in the city is deep and incredible. I was born and raised in Montreal, and I have always loved this city, I have always told people that it is the best city in the world, but I have truly never loved it as much as I do right now.

The first night that I went to a casseroles (pots and pans) demonstration, at the centre of the action—little children ecstatically blowing whistles, a young couple handing out extra pots and pans to passers-by, a yoga teacher who paused his class to have everyone join—I saw a bemused couple, banging away, but seemingly confused about something. When we finished, they asked me, “how did you find us?” I replied that I had checked the map that had been posted online of rendez-vous spots, and theirs was the nearest to my house. “Last night we were all alone,” they told me. They had no idea it had been advertized online. This is what our revolution looks like: someone had clearly ridden around our neighbourhood, figured out where people were protesting, and marked them for the rest of us. This is a revolution of collaboration. Of solidarity.

The next night the crowd had doubled. Tonight we will be even more.

I come home from these protests euphoric. The first night I returned, I sat down on my couch and I burst into tears, as the act of resisting, loudly, with my neighbours, so joyfully, had released so much tension that I had been carrying around with me, fearing our government, fearing arrest, fearing for the future. I felt lighter. Every night, I exchange stories with friends online and find out what happened in their neighbourhoods. These are the kinds of things we say to each other: “if I loved my city any more right now, my heart would burst.” We use the word “love” a whole lot. We feel empowered. We feel connected. We feel like we are going to win.

Why don’t you write about this? This incredible feeling? Another example I can give you is this very blog. Myself and a few friends began it as a way of disseminating information in English about what was happening here in Quebec, and within hours, literally hours, volunteers were writing me offering to help. Every day, people submit translations to me anonymously; I have no idea who they are, they just want to do something. They come from everywhere. They translate what they think is important to get out there into the world. People email me corrections, too. They email me advice. They email me encouragement. This blog runs on solidarity and utter human kindness.

This is what Quebec looks like right now. Every night is teargas and riot cops, but it is also joy, laughter, kindness, togetherness, and beautiful music. Our hearts are bursting. We are so proud of each other; of the spirit of Quebec and its people; of our ability to resist, and our ability to collaborate.

Why aren’t you writing about this? Does joy not sell as well as violence? Does collaboration not sell as well as confrontation? You can have your cynicism; our revolution is sincere.

Sincerely,

The Administrator of Translating the printemps érable.

enfoldedblue
27th May 2012, 22:42
I tried reading the above letter to my partner, but had to stop myself many times in order to calm down and stop crying. As someone who grew up in Montreal it is so wonderful to see people getting over the indoctrination of division (english/french etc) and comming together in a show of love and unity...truly beautiful!! Thanks for posting.

161803398
28th May 2012, 06:38
www.youtube.com/watch?kh_h9oD1o1E

I heard yesterday was about 500K but can't find a good video.

161803398
28th May 2012, 06:48
This is April, 2012

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=qLvsy4eLAwk

NewFounderHome
29th May 2012, 03:54
There are so few police then if the crowd would turn around and want to go beyond a police line, there would be no match. Simply no match.
In many towns around the province of Quebec, we see young, families and seniors join and the nicest message is then they all turn around and say to the government and police. Enough, enough is enough.

We the population decide of what we want. We the population say then major changes are needed.

The government of Quebec did re-start discussions with the student’s todays. They think if they resolve the student issue then all will be finished. Well I think they did open a can of worms and they sure as hell cannot put the cover back on top of it! That pressure coming out of that cane is what might give good needed changes.

It is so beyond only students now. Lawyers where out in the streets todays saying then this law is non-constitutional, that is it!

The police are getting tired, they have been at this for a will now. Just tonight in Montreal the protectors broke in 3 or 4 groups that took of in different directions. That puts a toll on the police, they just can't follow all that is going on. They put all the police they can in the streets, but there is just to much protectors and the protectors change route and strategy all the time.

The police are starting to back off on the protectors. They are probably noticing then they will simply not gain control by beating the protectors with clubs, that just don't work. It's sad, it took them a will to learn that. Less they use the clubs, less broken windows and fires, both go hand in hand.

We see more and more small towns jumping on board. After supper folk's go out and walk with there pot's and pan's and making noise and you then see other folks join in, it is truly nice to see. The police are at the head of a crowed and the police turns at the next street at right and the crowd starts to run toward the left. The messages are clear, very clear!

Peace to all!

sandy
29th May 2012, 03:59
GO QUEBEC GO!!! Leading the way for all Canadians>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>soon!! Love You Guys and Gals :)

dAkapacity
29th May 2012, 09:58
Thanks for this post Free Will ! This is a beautiful and powerful open letter. Did it get picked up by any (semi) msm newspaper?

Also the video in your link gives a strong impression of the Quebec manifestation. It radiates joy and connection.

http://www.quebecprotest.com/post/23754797322/an-open-letter-to-the-mainstream-english-media




[/COLOR]An Open Letter to the Mainstream English Media:

http://translatingtheprintempserable...-english-media (http://www.quebecprotest.com/post/23754797322/an-open-letter-to-the-mainstream-english-media)

Thank you; you are a little late to the party, and you are still missing the mark a lot of the time, but in the past few days, you have published some not entirely terrible articles and op-eds about what’s happening in Quebec right now. Welcome to our movement.

Some of you have even started mentioning that when people are rounded up and arrested each night, they aren’t all criminals or rioters. Some of you have admitted that perhaps limiting our freedom of speech and assembly is going a little bit too far. Some of you are no longer publishing lies about the popular support that you seemed to think our government had. Not all of you, mind you, but some of you are waking up.

That said, here is what I have not seen you publish yet: stories about joy; about togetherness; about collaboration; about solidarity. You write about our anger, and yes, we are angry. We are angry at our government, at our police and at you. But none of you are succeeding in conveying what it feels like when you walk down the streets of Montreal right now, which is, for me at least, an overwhelming sense of joy and togetherness.

News coverage of Quebec almost always focuses on division: English vs. French; Quebec-born vs. immigrant; etc. This is the narrative that has shaped how people see us as a province, whether or not it is fair. But this is not what I feel right now when I walk down the street. At 8pm, I rush out of the house with a saucepan and a ladle, and as I walk to meet my fellow protesters, I hear people emerge from their balconies and the music starts. If you do not live here, I wish I could properly convey to you what it feels like; the above video is a start. It is magic. It starts quietly, a suggestion here and there, and it builds. Everybody on the street begins to smile. I get there, and we all—young and old, children and students and couples and retirees and workers and weird misfits and dogs and, well, neighbours—we all grin the widest grins you have ever seen while dancing around and making as much noise as possible. We are almost ecstatic with the joy of letting loose like this, of voicing our resistance to a government that seeks to silence us, and of being together like this.

I have lived in my neighbourhood for five years now, and this is the most I have ever felt a part of the community; the lasting impact that these protests will have on how people relate to each other in the city is deep and incredible. I was born and raised in Montreal, and I have always loved this city, I have always told people that it is the best city in the world, but I have truly never loved it as much as I do right now.

The first night that I went to a casseroles (pots and pans) demonstration, at the centre of the action—little children ecstatically blowing whistles, a young couple handing out extra pots and pans to passers-by, a yoga teacher who paused his class to have everyone join—I saw a bemused couple, banging away, but seemingly confused about something. When we finished, they asked me, “how did you find us?” I replied that I had checked the map that had been posted online of rendez-vous spots, and theirs was the nearest to my house. “Last night we were all alone,” they told me. They had no idea it had been advertized online. This is what our revolution looks like: someone had clearly ridden around our neighbourhood, figured out where people were protesting, and marked them for the rest of us. This is a revolution of collaboration. Of solidarity.

The next night the crowd had doubled. Tonight we will be even more.

I come home from these protests euphoric. The first night I returned, I sat down on my couch and I burst into tears, as the act of resisting, loudly, with my neighbours, so joyfully, had released so much tension that I had been carrying around with me, fearing our government, fearing arrest, fearing for the future. I felt lighter. Every night, I exchange stories with friends online and find out what happened in their neighbourhoods. These are the kinds of things we say to each other: “if I loved my city any more right now, my heart would burst.” We use the word “love” a whole lot. We feel empowered. We feel connected. We feel like we are going to win.

Why don’t you write about this? This incredible feeling? Another example I can give you is this very blog. Myself and a few friends began it as a way of disseminating information in English about what was happening here in Quebec, and within hours, literally hours, volunteers were writing me offering to help. Every day, people submit translations to me anonymously; I have no idea who they are, they just want to do something. They come from everywhere. They translate what they think is important to get out there into the world. People email me corrections, too. They email me advice. They email me encouragement. This blog runs on solidarity and utter human kindness.

This is what Quebec looks like right now. Every night is teargas and riot cops, but it is also joy, laughter, kindness, togetherness, and beautiful music. Our hearts are bursting. We are so proud of each other; of the spirit of Quebec and its people; of our ability to resist, and our ability to collaborate.

Why aren’t you writing about this? Does joy not sell as well as violence? Does collaboration not sell as well as confrontation? You can have your cynicism; our revolution is sincere.

Sincerely,

The Administrator of Translating the printemps érable.

NewFounderHome
29th May 2012, 12:01
Last night they did arrest 83 protesters in Quebec city who where at the building where the negotiations where undergoing with the students. They did arrest these folks, not for braking something, not for a real crime. No they where arrested for a non legal protestation. Quebec city is really pitiful.

NewFounderHome
29th May 2012, 23:30
Take a look at the track record of the Quebec Liberal's. http://www.liberaux.net/

This makes my stomach sick.

Flash
30th May 2012, 00:08
Take a look at the track record of the Quebec Liberal's. http://www.liberaux.net/

This makes my stomach sick.

This makes me sick too. And all too true.

NewFounderHome
30th May 2012, 03:37
A well spoken French kid that does a resume of some facts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=uCpyjwVroxc

Samsara
30th May 2012, 15:31
A well spoken French kid that does a resume of some facts.
uCpyjwVroxc

English transcript:


So the banks, in their infinite power, now control our government, which means that there’s a regime of terror that has be instilled here in order to keep students to protest against a tuition hike. And what this tuition hike means in the end of the day, is that the rich can pay it off right away – their 5 000$ per semester – whereas the poor have to take out loans at around 9% interest. And now they’re saying that they’re offering us a gift by spreading out the payments on a schedule that is proportional to our income. So now instead of taking 8 years, as was the case in the previous regime, to pay off our tuition fees, we’ll take 40, 50, 60, 70 years to pay off our tuition fees. Until death, if that’s needed. Imagine the interest on a loan of 5 000$ per year.

An undergraduate degree, just to feed ourselves, to have a dwelling, the cost of subsistence make it so that instead of taking 3 years in a normal scenario, it takes us 5 years [to complete a degree] at the rate the fees are at right now.

They often say that we have the lowest fees in North America, but we also have the lowest salaries in North America and we pay very heavy taxes, and the social pact that has always been in effect here intended for the elders to pay for the youth to study in qualified disciplines in order to have jobs with good salaries later on, such as nursing, engineering, geographer, sociologist, anthropologist, these professions will enrich society, will allow the state to generate more fiscal revenues, as in more income tax, and that’s what will allow for us to have nurses to take care of us when we’re dying, to have quality care for our seniors, to have retirement homes.

And now what they want is for the youth to be less likely to go to university, because in our current regime, if we go into professional training – interjection: We need workers – it costs next to nothing. I’m not taking anything away from their professions, but people are needed to reflect on society and to help it progress. And education isn’t an individual choice, it’s a collective choice. In my opinion, it’s an inter-generational pact that should be sacred. And income tax is there for that. Income tax is the employed workers’ revenue. It’s therefore money that the state already has in its coffers. If it invest 200$M, that’s money that it already has, it’s not being borrowed, it’s not paying interest on it. Now they want to put it on the students’ backs, who will in turn pay 9, 10, 12% – we don’t know what kind of economic regime is awaiting us. It’s a scandal!

And to see that the riot squad has been sent against us, that the mass media is against us by inventing bogus surveys. I always read the little notices at the bottom of the web pages. They are surveys that are conducted over the internet, they’re answered by the members of the party in power. And now they put it on the front page of La Presse and tell us that 60% of the population is backing them! It’s a scandal! I’m revolted!

And to see that we’re throwing tear gas on children who are supposed to be sacred, they’re the next hope. In the West, when you injure a child, it’s a sacrilege, and now the population looks at us as though we’re the terrorists. I am outraged!

And I believe in the republic. A government that has a separation of power, between the legislative, the juridical, the judicial. Now we see the premier appropriating the juridical power, appropriating the political power, the legislative power, and it’s completely aberrant. And let’s get rid of the monarchy. It’s time to stop all privileges. Education is a sacred possession that belongs to everyone – interjection: especially the next generation. And I am revolted. Voilà! And I hope that all the people will rise up to form a great alliance of free and educated people! Absolutely.


http://www.quebecprotest.com/post/23955677339/may-20-2012-transcript-so-the-banks-in-their

NewFounderHome
31st May 2012, 01:26
A must see!

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Another must see! DVD Gouverne(mental) « Anonymous Quebec »

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Popular world faces here in Quebec at a Desmarais party.

Get these video's out there.

Samsara
31st May 2012, 13:04
Another must see! DVD Gouverne(mental) « Anonymous Quebec »

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Popular world faces here in Quebec at a Desmarais party.

Get these video's out there.

Including George H. W. Bush (around 19:32 and more if you have the stomach to watch that much). A lavishly sickening party. :bad:

Can't wait to see what other secrets Anonymous Québec will be distributing.

Samsara
31st May 2012, 16:02
Casseroles in Vancouver:
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Casseroles in Toronto:
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Casseroles in New York:
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Casseroles in St. John's:
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... and more.

I wonder what's cooking ? :p

Kerrigan
31st May 2012, 16:41
From David Icke's website: Lawyers join students in protest against Quebec Bill 78

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NewFounderHome
1st June 2012, 13:40
The population still does not see the bigger picture! Of whom they (The government leaders) work for.

The population need to wake up!

There are still some folks that say, the noise of the protestors must stop. But these same people do not wakeup, they are still looking at their same old little self, me this and me that and me,me,me,me….

There will be the Canadian grand prix 8-10 July. Does the provincial government really think then the protestors will not be showing them self’s during the Grand Prix, Really!

I guess the government is playing a game on the population, what is the subject in the front prevents the population from seeing some subject going on in the back ground. Like what? Well maybe passing some deals for the PLAN NORD that would not been popular with the population if there would net have been a big subject in the new.

Let’s keep our eyes open. I’m under the impression then there are many thing going on at the same time and then that is why the government is stretching this story. They might just be covering up other hot stories.

Let’s try to pull them out in the open. They don’t want that but how cares about them.

It is nice to see all the families and elders and kids go in the streets, having fun, the energy is of having a common goal, the feeling is very good.

:eek::cool::rolleyes::confused::o

NewFounderHome
1st June 2012, 14:06
I’m noticing then the population of Quebec would need to do something new.

They would need to stand up, they have done it in different occasion in history of this province.

The ordinary population would need to urgently create a new political movement. But they would need to be all ordinary people, no career politician, no puppet of the elites, Desmarais, or having any ties to any high anything. Ordinary folk to take back our government’s and weed out all corruption. There might be a lot of the elites infiltrated true all of the provincial structure that would need to be clean out.

We will need to do what Iceland did.

NewFounderHome
1st June 2012, 14:18
Question. Would the Quebec government be participating in DEPT SLAVING the students. Tie them in to dept early to get them sooner under control.

It's just a question!

Kerrigan
4th June 2012, 16:19
Update from press TV

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Kikine
4th June 2012, 18:28
here is a link talking about it
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2012/jun2012/pers-j02.shtml
not sure how to post links. but anyway. Im glad theres this strike. The gov are spending millions on stupid things instead of education... come on.. its none sense. I think its a good thing whats happening. Even if some people see bad things in it. I don't because at least, there s some change.

Kikine
4th June 2012, 18:36
Another link saying that the negociations between students and goverment didn't work. http://www.euronews.com/2012/06/01/quebec-student-strike-talks-collapse/

NewFounderHome
10th June 2012, 15:11
They have so many Police officers, riot Police during this weekend, it's not even funny. Last night, was some protesting and they had their hand full. They are ex pulsing folks from the island where the F1 racing is taking place today. This weekend will have a very high $ singe on this weekend. The cost for all the over time of Police is going to be heavy. I don't think they are doing that for free.

DeDukshyn
10th June 2012, 15:28
They have so many Police officers, riot Police during this weekend, it's not even funny. Last night, was some protesting and they had their hand full. They are ex pulsing folks from the island where the F1 racing is taking place today. This weekend will have a very high $ singe on this weekend. The cost for all the over time of Police is going to be heavy. I don't think they are doing that for free.

And Ironically there will always be enough cash for that. Whether students can afford education or not. Sad set of priorities in this world run by banks.

NewFounderHome
23rd June 2012, 17:26
Well yesterday in Montreal and Quebec City, more protestation of student's but we see more and more of all age's with them. The government was thinking then all would stop at the beginning of the summer but Hein! No. We are seeing in public then the liberal government is using public funds to try and look good with some publicity on the different TV channels and newspapers. They use our money to try to look good, that is sad!

The government is also implicated in the construction scandal, which is not surprising the population.

Well thing seem to be very slowly coming out a bit, but still net enough.

Peace to all!

NewFounderHome
23rd June 2012, 17:37
Sorry this is in French.

This is the original Libaral publicity stunt.

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This is the French modified version.
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NewFounderHome
23rd June 2012, 18:05
Here is what the Liberal government has done for the population of Quebec.

All is in French.

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This last one is good. The provincial is pulling over a school bus. For what reason!!!!!!!

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This is the French text that was under the Youtube.



Ce mardi 15 mai, 18 personnes sont montées à bord d'un autobus jaune à Montréal en direction du cégep Lionel-Groulx à Sainte-Thérèse. Elles voulaient soutenir la lutte contre une injonction qui obligeait l'administration du cégep à donner ses cours malgré le vote de grève des étudiants et étudiantes.

À peine passé Laval, quatre voitures de la Sûreté du Québec ont intercepté l'autobus et l'ont détourné vers un de leurs postes. Un policier est entré et a donné l'ordre de sortir un par un. À aucun moment, la police n'a répondu lorsque ces personnes cherchaient à savoir si elles étaient en état d'arrestation. Dirigées dans une cellule, elles ont été fouillées, ainsi que leurs sacs, par une police incapable de leur lire leurs droits ou les informer sur la situation. Ce n'est qu'à la sortie des premières personnes que celles encore à l'intérieur de l'autobus ont su qu'en fait, elles n'étaient pas en arrestation, mais « seulement détenues ». La police, harassée de questions, a fini par invoquer l'article 31 du Code criminel. Celui-ci permet, sous motifs raisonnables, de détenir des personnes s'apprêtant à violer la paix. Mais aucun « motif raisonnable » n'a pu sortir de la bouche d'une police visiblement embêtée de faire face à des personnes connaissant leurs droits.

Sous interrogation, elles ont été identifiées et questionnées sur leurs occupations et leurs intentions, ce à quoi elles n'avaient absolument pas à répondre. Après ces interrogatoires aberrants et un délai supplémentaire de près d'une heure, la police a finalement cessé sa séquestration. Les « détenu-e-s » se sont engagé-e-s à ne pas aller vers le cégep Lionel-Groulx et se sont fait escorter par quatre autos-patrouille jusqu'au métro Côte-Vertu.

Aucun motif raisonnable n'a justifié l'application de l'article 31 pour la simple raison qu'il n'y en avait aucun possible. La SQ le savait très bien. Elle cherchait tout simplement à empêcher des citoyen-ne-s d'exercer leurs droits et à continuer à ficher le mouvement étudiant. Aucune excuse ne justifiait un tel geste. La police démontrait ainsi clairement qu'elle est au-dessus des lois, des droits et du simple bon sens. Elle n'hésite pas à utiliser tous les moyens pour faire peur aux gens.

Ironiquement, voyant les évènements survenus dernièrement, ces personnes ont eu malgré tout la chance de ne pas se faire matraquer, poivrer, gazer, blesser. Clairement, l'incapacité à dénouer la crise étudiante s'enlise dans la logique d'un État policier. Nous tenons à saluer la détermination de tous ceux et celles qui ne reculeront pas devant cet arsenal de la peur pour défendre nos droits et par la même occasion, leur réitérer notre entière solidarité.


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Here is a Google translation to English.

This Tuesday, May 15, 18 people boarded a yellow school bus to Montreal for the Lionel-Groulx in Ste-Therese. They wanted to support the fight against an injunction that required the administration of the college to offer the courses despite the strike vote of students.

Just past Laval, four cars of the Quebec Provincial Police intercepted the bus and were diverted to their positions. A policeman came in and ordered out one by one. At no time did the police respond when these people were looking at whether they were under arrest. Directed into a cell, they were searched, and their bags, by a police unable to read them their rights and inform them about the situation. It is only the output of the first people those still inside the bus knew in fact they were not under arrest, but "only inmates." The police harassed with questions, eventually invoke Article 31 of the Criminal Code. This allows, under reasonably detain individuals preparing to breach the peace. But no "reasonable cause" could not get out of the mouth of a police visibly bothered to deal with people who know their rights.

Under interrogation, they were identified and interviewed about their occupations and their intentions, what they had absolutely no answer. After these interviews aberrant and an additional period of nearly an hour, the police finally stopped his sequestration. The "inmate-es" es have committed not to go to the Lionel-Groulx and have been escorted by four patrol cars to Côte-Vertu metro.

No reasonable grounds justified the application of Article 31 for the simple reason that there was no possible. The SQ knew very well. It simply sought to prevent not-s-citizen to exercise their rights and to continue to file the student movement. No excuses will justify such a move. The police clearly demonstrated and it is above the laws, rights and common sense. She does not hesitate to use all means to scare people.

Ironically, seeing the events of late, these people were still lucky not to be bludgeoned, pepper, gassed, injured. Clearly, the inability to resolve the crisis student gets stuck in the logic of a police state. We salute the commitment of all those who will not retreat in front of that arsenal of fear to defend our rights and at the same time, to reiterate our solidarity.