Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

[seigiarchon]

Arthur C Clarke once quoted the following three laws of the universe.

1) When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong.
2) The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible.
3) Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

If a modern person from the year 2012 is to travel back in time and bring an Iphone back to the Middle Ages, the people in the Middle Ages is probably gonna hail the modern person as a Magick-Using Wizard.

Similarly, if a person from say 10000 years in the future is to travel back in time to this year 2012, and such a person has developed the spiritual psychic powers of clairvoyance, telepathy, teleportation, etc etc, we are probably gonna call such a person a Magick-Using Wizard.

But are these spiritual psychic powers really Magick? If every person in the future is able to consistently develop spiritual psychic powers of clairvoyance, telepathy, teleportation by performing certain practices and they are able to attain the ability to consistently twist and shape the laws of reality of our universe by performing certain acts, then aren't these powers more of a Science rather than Magick?

Cos just as the Iphone seems to be a magical object to people from the Middle Ages yet it is an object of Scientific Technology to us, wouldn't powers like telepathy, clairvoyance and teleportation be seen as a school of Scientific Technology rather than Magick in the future?

[sdv]

True. Tibetan Buddhists practise what we call 'magic' but they say that there is nothing magical or otherworldly or supernatural about it - if we can imagine it, it is real, because if it was not real we would not be able to imagine it.

Of course we can all practise telepathy, clairvoyance and teleportation, but our greatest obstacle is believing that we cannot.

By the way, the Tibetan Buddhists suggest that to enable yourself to use these abilities, practise mindful meditation.

[777]

This reminds me of the film Army of Darkness where this exact thing happens in a cheesy comical way.

I agree though seigiarchon, this is very true. I also think it flips two ways though. I can well imagine a hightened level of psychic ability and clairo-senses has been erroded (pacified by tptb more like) over history too.

[bmdb]

wouldn't powers like telepathy, clairvoyance and teleportation be seen as a school of Scientific Technology rather than Magick in the future?

No. I would think it would be called enlightenment or spiritual growth or evolution....there is no technology involved...it would all be natural ability. Similarly, you would not call mans ability to walk upright a technological advancement.

[seigiarchon]

wouldn't powers like telepathy, clairvoyance and teleportation be seen as a school of Scientific Technology rather than Magick in the future?

No. I would think it would be called enlightenment or spiritual growth or evolution....there is no technology involved...it would all be natural ability. Similarly, you would not call mans ability to walk upright a technological advancement.

But what's is your definition of technology? Do we define technology as any and all metallic machines? Or do we expand the definition of technology to include all other forms of human progress & achievements as well?

Let me give you a scenario.

Currently, it takes us 40 light years, i believe, for one of our spaceships to travel from Earth to the end of the solar system. 40 light years.

Now I know there are remote viewers or astral travelers in this world who can jump from planet Earth to dimensions far beyond our solar systems in the blink of an eye.

Supposed in the future, humanity develop the powers of teleportation and they are able to teleport from planet Earth to another planet in another dimension far beyond our solar system. Suppose humanity develop these powers as early as next year.

Would you still call these personal teleportation powers "technology" then?

Most importantly, if every human has teleportation powers or telepathy powers.. what use is there for spaceships, cars, mobile phones or even laptops?

My message to all is.. all these technological devices outside of man's own being is distracting us from the powers inside us. If we can develop the powers inside us which can enable us to interact and manipulate our reality as we wish for eg teleportation or telepathy, then humankind wouldn't even bother wasting their time and energies on inventing new forms of external technological vehicles or computers or mobile phones..

obviously not, for if you can use just your own brain to teleport from LA to Tokyo in the blink of an eye, what need do you have for airplanes? If you can just use telepathy to communicate with anyone and everyone on earth, what use do you have for mobile phones? If you can use your inner vision to access the Askashic Records, what use do you have for personal computers?

i had a sudden insight last night.. i think the stocks of microsoft, apple, GM, BP, Shell and all other forms of electrical technological companies will be worthless in the very near future.. once humanity opened up its powers to interact with the Universe at will, humanity will have no more need for external technological devices like cars, computers, mobile phones....

[DeDukshyn]

A bit of a 'related topic' consideration ...

I've often imagined the future like this:

Planet Earth: 2098, humanity has evolved enough to become a single community based on choices out of love. Humanity divided into new distinctions; some with powers of consciousness, able to do do amazing things things at a thought. Another group of incredible technology able to do many of the same things - each with their own subset of abilities. These two groups of humans complimented one another. They allowed humanity to be just a little bit better than if it just had one or the other quality, and they lived harmoniously, as one species. One highly evolved species ... on every level.

Maybe a bit like an ancient past? (well, till things went south at least)

Just a daydream though I guess ... ;)

[ThePythonicCow]

Currently, it takes us 40 light years, i believe, for one of our spaceships to travel from Earth to the end of the solar system. 40 light years.
"Light years" are units of distance, not time.

And the distance from the Sun, to the next closest star, Proxima Centauri, is 4.3 light years, which is considerably less than 40 light years.

The distance from earth to the edge of the solar system is not well defined, but one reasonable measure of that would be the radius of the Oort belt, which is 50,000 AU or 0.8 light years, which is even less :).

[seigiarchon]

A bit of a 'related topic' consideration ...

I've often imagined the future like this:

Planet Earth: 2098, humanity has evolved enough to become a single community based on choices out of love. Humanity divided into new distinctions; some with powers of consciousness, able to do do amazing things things at a thought. Another group of incredible technology able to do many of the same things - each with their own subset of abilities. These two groups of humans complimented one another. They allowed humanity to be just a little bit better than if it just had one or the other quality, and they lived harmoniously, as one species. One highly evolved species ... on every level.

Maybe a bit like an ancient past? (well, till things went south at least)

Just a daydream though I guess ... ;)

The future I know turns out like this.. there is only going to be one group of humans who has both powers of consciousness and the ability use their powers of consciousness to interact with incredible technologies..

only these incredible technologies are of the star-gate or pyramid variants.. techno-wizardry devices so to speak.. technologies which are so advanced that they can utilize and manipulate the laws and energies of the universe as the user commands.. but for such technologies to be utilized, the user need to have the powers of consciousness in the first place..

i know of one remote viewer.. he visited an alien civilization in a distant galaxy.. there was a pyramid built by the civilization which contain many arcane symbols on the walls.. that viewer touched one of the symbols and immediately streams of information were downloaded into his consciousness..

these are the technologies which will be available in the future.. technologies which can interact with energies of the universe directly.. for eg technologies which can interact with energies of the sun for instance and i am not just talking about using the energies of the sun to recharge solar batteries.. i am talking about advanced applications of the sun's energies for a multitude of purposes..

the sun contains many mystical secrets unavailable to the common man.. i wouldn't be surprised if someday soon, an ipad gets invented for the purpose of learning from the sun..

[eileenrose]

Just watched last year's Dr. Who (science fiction UK show) and one of their special effects was a small animal (cyberrat) machine.

In their little special effect blurp (came with the DVD), they showed how they made it. Guess what? They almost, probably didn't even realize it, created one. Yes, it still needed human help....but you know with the technology down at radio shack, you could have a full working monster in a manner of hours (if they had installed a software chip....). I could be wrong, but I think we are the aliens now.

[seigiarchon]

A bit of a 'related topic' consideration ...

I've often imagined the future like this:

Planet Earth: 2098, humanity has evolved enough to become a single community based on choices out of love. Humanity divided into new distinctions; some with powers of consciousness, able to do do amazing things things at a thought. Another group of incredible technology able to do many of the same things - each with their own subset of abilities. These two groups of humans complimented one another. They allowed humanity to be just a little bit better than if it just had one or the other quality, and they lived harmoniously, as one species. One highly evolved species ... on every level.

Maybe a bit like an ancient past? (well, till things went south at least)

Just a daydream though I guess ... ;)

The future I know turns out like this.. there is only going to be one group of humans who has both powers of consciousness and the ability use their powers of consciousness to interact with incredible technologies..

only these incredible technologies are of the star-gate or pyramid variants.. techno-wizardry devices so to speak.. technologies which are so advanced that they can utilize and manipulate the laws and energies of the universe as the user commands.. but for such technologies to be utilized, the user need to have the powers of consciousness in the first place..

i know of one remote viewer.. he visited an alien civilization in a distant galaxy.. there was a pyramid built by the civilization which contain many arcane symbols on the walls.. that viewer touched one of the symbols and immediately streams of information were downloaded into his consciousness..

these are the technologies which will be available in the future.. technologies which can interact with energies of the universe directly.. for eg technologies which can interact with energies of the sun for instance and i am not just talking about using the energies of the sun to recharge solar batteries.. i am talking about advanced applications of the sun's energies for a multitude of purposes..

the sun contains many mystical secrets unavailable to the common man.. i wouldn't be surprised if someday soon, an ipad gets invented for the purpose of learning from the sun..

pretty soon there will be a new industry which specialize in creating techno-wizardry devices which utilize the powers of the consciousness..

these techno-wizardry devices which require one to have sufficient power of the consciousness will outperform "mundane" devices which do not require power of the consciousness to use..

think for eg a laptop which can use one's power of the consciousness to hack into another mundane laptop which lacks the feature of utilizing one's consciousness..

looking at how greedy the human race is for new products all the time.. all humans will race to advance their own consciousness so that they can take advantage of new techno-wizardry products which require sufficient levels of consciousness to activate.. no one wants to be left behind and be called "old-fashioned"..

this is why i say the stocks of windows, apple, BP, GM, IBM and other similar technological companies will be worthless in the very near future.. not unless these companies begin to produce new products which can interact with and raise humanity's consciousness.. otherwise some upstarts are gonna create new consciousness techno-wizardry products, slay these current technological goliaths and kick them off the market.

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Just watched last year's Dr. Who (science fiction UK show) and one of their special effects was a small animal (cyberrat) machine.

In their little special effect blurp (came with the DVD), they showed how they made it. Guess what? They almost, probably didn't even realize it, created one. Yes, it still needed human help....but you know with the technology down at radio shack, you could have a full working monster in a manner of hours (if they had installed a software chip....). I could be wrong, but I think we are the aliens now.

until we can teleport from LA to Tokyo in the blink of an eye, I am pretty sure we are nowhere near the "aliens" level of technologies.. so i wouldn't be so presumptuous as to compare myself with them as I know we still have a way to go yet..

[eileenrose]

re: "I am pretty sure we are nowhere near the "aliens" level of technologies.. " from above

I'm not so clear.

From today:
http://beforeitsnews.com/story/2167/703/Physicist:_HAARP_Manipulates_Time.html

Title: "Physicist: HAARP Manipulates Time"

snip
"A brilliant physicist published a revolutionary paper citing 30 other scientific papers that reveal HAARP has incredible powers far beyond what most investigators of the high frequency energy technology suspect. Dr. Fran De Aquino asserts a fully functional HAARP network, activated globally, can not only affect weather and geophysical events, but influence space and gravity…even time itself! Now the network is almost complete with the activation of the newest HAARP facilities at the bottom of the world: the desolate and alien Antarctic. Will the masters of HAARP become the masters of time too?"

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[seigiarchon]

can you teleport from LA to Tokyo in the blink of an eye?

[eileenrose]

can you teleport from LA to Tokyo in the blink of an eye?

Hi Seigiarchon, it is hard to answer far out questions without any references.

Is the question proof that we don't have space age technology (which is the reference point I am utilizing)...no. It is just a strange question.

You might as well ask, can I fly, swim underwater without breathing, walk on the moon with a suit...type questions. As proof we don't have alien equipment already available. Alien = very technologically advanced.

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ps: my head is hurting,...so off to bed. Sorry above not better written...best can do at moment.

[nomadguy]

What do we mean when we say "ETs"
Or "extra"-terrestial
meaning the creature was born on a planet and not this one.

Now who's to say we get that many of those types of encounters anyway?.
Adding that many of the encounters we currently deem ET related are not at all. But in another separate paradigm. And would require a totally different viewpoint to explain it.

[DeDukshyn]

"...IBM and other similar technological companies will be worthless in the very near future.. not unless these companies begin to produce new products which can interact with and raise humanity's consciousness.. otherwise some upstarts are gonna create new consciousness techno-wizardry products, slay these current technological goliaths and kick them off the market."...

I think IBM is already experimenting with this type of stuff. The guy who designed the Vogel cut for Quartz crystals with the intention of amplifying the energy throughput so it would be more conducive to affecting humans specifically was an engineer for IBM -- not raised by some gypsy family that you might expect such ideas to be born from ...

I think right now the global elite are just trying hard to keep us from realizing the power of our own consciousness - thus the tech is still all hush-hush and used mainly for military. That will change though - the internet used be only used for military and universities. Now everyone with a phone has access to it ;-)

[the_vast_mystery]

The word you're looking for is technique. Technology is applied outside of ourselves, such as using a stick as a lever to divide the work of lifting a heavy object. Technique is an inner procedure or discipline of the mind, such as learning a martial art. So "psychic abilities" would be considered an extra-sensory technique, which isn't quite the same thing as a technology.

[seigiarchon]

The word you're looking for is technique. Technology is applied outside of ourselves, such as using a stick as a lever to divide the work of lifting a heavy object. Technique is an inner procedure or discipline of the mind, such as learning a martial art. So "psychic abilities" would be considered an extra-sensory technique, which isn't quite the same thing as a technology.

This is because you don't view your own body or soul/spirit or higher self as a piece of technology.

I wonder how humanity will evolve when they finally realize that the technology inside themselves is infinitely more powerful than any external technologies which can be invented.

[the_vast_mystery]

This is because you don't view your own body or soul/spirit or higher self as a piece of technology.

I wonder how humanity will evolve when they finally realize that the technology inside themselves is infinitely more powerful than any external technologies which can be invented.

No, I certainly wouldn't because then by definition I would be a machine. I like to think of myself (and I'm sure many others do as well) as something more than a complex biological computer.

[jorr lundstrom]

This body Im using sure can be described as a complex biological

computor. I am not.


All is well


Jorr

[DeDukshyn]

re: "I am pretty sure we are nowhere near the "aliens" level of technologies.. " from above

I'm not so clear.

From today:
http://beforeitsnews.com/story/2167/703/Physicist:_HAARP_Manipulates_Time.html

Title: "Physicist: HAARP Manipulates Time"

snip
"A brilliant physicist published a revolutionary paper citing 30 other scientific papers that reveal HAARP has incredible powers far beyond what most investigators of the high frequency energy technology suspect. Dr. Fran De Aquino asserts a fully functional HAARP network, activated globally, can not only affect weather and geophysical events, but influence space and gravity…even time itself! Now the network is almost complete with the activation of the newest HAARP facilities at the bottom of the world: the desolate and alien Antarctic. Will the masters of HAARP become the masters of time too?"

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Most importantly, this HAARP network is the Anti-Christ. (the thing that resists the "Christ") Connect the dots and consider the implications.