We are being blasted w/ radiation and not being told

[nearing]

While we hope and pray that reactor #4 stays intact and the area doesn't experience an earthquake of a magnitude bigger than or equal to 7, Fukushima is releasing ENORMOUS amounts of radioactive particles being carried on the jet stream.

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[nenosema]

is anyone else experiencing white out weather ?

[Sidney]

is anyone else experiencing white out weather ?

Could you elaborate? Not sure what you mean by white-out.

[nearing]

is anyone else experiencing white out weather ?

White out weather? As in stormy or overcast?

[nenosema]

its been nothing but 'stormy' overcast days out for a couple of months here if not more,
with some really nice days that just come out of nowhere inbetween.

This whole year though the weather has been acting strangely, probably longer.
i'm not sure what is up with it, or if it relates, looking outside it gives me a chilly feeling..

[nearing]

its been nothing but 'stormy' overcast days out for a couple of months here if not more,
with some really nice days that just come out of nowhere inbetween.

This whole year though the weather has been acting strangely, probably longer.
i'm not sure what is up with it, or if it relates, looking outside it gives me a chilly feeling..

I am curious as to where in the world you live and what is the usual climate there?

[nenosema]

I am here in Northeastern us,
the climate here has changed alot.

I mean its inevitable to notice some differences due to weather interference, chem trails, reflection, not to mention what's been in the atmosphere building up for years.

we usually have cold winters, deep snow. this year, nada hardly a real snow fall.
usually there are summer storms, lots of them, it being only may i'm not going make a formal complaint, i just miss the weather and i hope it comes through.
but these days that it is noting but white in the sky, not even a break to see the blue, no definition of clouds. its the most unnatural looking fog i've seen.

There are still those good days don't get me wrong. But if there were something up with fukushima what would it look like to us coming here?
what about Ukraine and other places where there have been accidents before - what might this look like for us, earth, Canada looks -from this- like its getting the most of it. what does canada have to say? i wonder..

I'm sorry, i was only wondering if anyone else was experiencing the cloud cover looking unsettling at times.

[nearing]

Interesting. Where I am in the SW US, it's very very windy lately which the locals say is unusual but the skies are pretty clear and sunny which is normal. Overcast would be highly unusual.

I haven't ever lived where you are but it does seem that by May you would have clear skies.

btw, with this radiation, one should stay out of any rain or other precipitation.

[WhiteFeather]

Cloudy and Overcast Here In The East (NYC) As Well. Much Rain as of late.

[TargeT]

Still no where near any dangerous levels of radiation on the alaska coast, which there should be if this were true.... radiation is not bad for you, toxicity is all about quantity... too much water will kill you, too much radiation will kill you, just enough water makes you healthy, just enough radiation.....


Are We Under-exposed to Radiation?

Michael Arnold Glueck, M.D., and Robert J. Cihak, M.D., The Medicine Men
Wednesday, July 11, 2007

Everyone's aware of overexposure to radiation, but can someone be underexposed?

In a word, yes. A radiation shortage afflicts most of the human race. In his well-documented and entertaining book "Under-Exposed: What If Radiation Is Actually Good for You?" engineer Ed Hiserodt accurately describes this pandemic.

In round numbers, Americans absorb an average of about 0.3 rads worth of "background" radiation every year from entirely natural sources such as cosmic rays and the naturally occurring potassium-40 in our bodies. For clarification, a rad is one measure or absorbed radiation, and in humans is essentially the same as a rem, a centisievert (cSv) or a centiGray (cGy) so I'll just use rads to minimize further confusion.

Governments and the media almost routinely overreact to the word "radiation." For example, during the Chernobyl nuclear reactor accident in the former Soviet Union, the Soviet Army evacuated people from their homes if the radiation level exceeded a rate equivalent to 0.5 rads per year. Yet if that level triggered evacuation elsewhere, Grand Central Terminal in New York City would be closed because of its 0.525 rads radiation level.

Traveling to or living on the Colorado plateau, at 0.6 rads, would be illegal. Kerala, India, (1.3 rads) would be a ghost town. And, the popular Guarapari Beach in Brazil, at over 26 rads, would be off-limits to sunbathers and swimmers alike.

The response to Three Mile Island nuclear power reactor accident is another example. The miniscule amount of radiation from the accident itself injured no one. Scary media and political hype did cause one person to die in an auto accident while fleeing from the area.

The discredited linear no-threshold hypothesis (LNT) of radiation interaction with living things causes some of this overreaction to radiation. According to this hypothesis, ionizing radiation causes irreparable damage to cells every time a single radiation event occurs in living beings; over time, this damage would add up and cause cancer and other problems.

Story Continues Below

http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2007/7/10/161101.shtml

if you are unwilling to even consider this as a posibility you need to examine your thought proccess for possibly being trapped in a fear construct.

avoid black and white, the shades of gray are really what makes up the world.

[Moz]

Nearing,

Thanks for the post and keep up the spirit!!!!!
My most sincere thanks to you and the ones that help you in this as well.

a great Hug,
Moz

[ghostrider]

we've had white out for two days, and windy 25-30 mph gusts. un-seasonably humid for may.

[donk]

neno--I am in the area, and agree completely, it has been odd here for some time now in my little slice of the East Coast sprawl...

[Earth Angel]

well I am in Southern Ontario, and it is quite windy today. The skies have been whited over quite a bit too.........the past 10 days that they have predicted rain several times but we didn't get it.......so far this spring has been warm then snow warm then cold warm then warmer!! very unusual temps for the time of year and also a very mild winter with far less snow than usual. Leavesn flowers etc. bursting forth much sooner than usual

[Snowbird]

Why am seeing dates of one year ago this month, 2011, in the vid in the OP?

[nearing]

Because I didn't? Dang it!

[Arrowwind]

what is that zardos website address? and those charts hes showing are from last year

[nearing]

what is that zardos website address? and those charts hes showing are from last year

One of these?

http://zardoz.nilu.no/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zardoz

[The Truth Is In There]

i don't think telling people improves the situation. a lot of damage is done through what people create in their minds (and subsequently in "reality"). we all know that a state of permanent fear is detrimental to health, so it may be better if the general population remains oblivious of a situation that cannot be changed anyway.

[Operator]

Fukushima is releasing ENORMOUS amounts of radioactive particles being carried on the jet stream.

Hi All,

I think it is justified to have worries over Fukushima ...
But when I looked closer to the video I noticed this was data from May 2011. When I double checked I saw the
video was posted one year ago. So, again worries are probably justified but the presented data is not recent/accurate.
(it could even be worse too).

[Bo Atkinson]

I agree this deserves affirmative, conservative attention to details. Perhaps not frequent checks, so much as more scholarly reviews , not fascist corporate denial, not any old source of opinion.... The point is there are multiple types of broken atoms in the atmosphere. Some are less concerning, some could be well worthy taking protective measures from. Adopting the tedious task of rinsing well vegetables form the garden-- As after a recent rain, if one lives in the jet stream zone. Occasionally learning the patterns of latest measurements from the volunteer-site which Dawn linked:
http://www.radiationnetwork.com/

Frankly this above site gives consistently higher readings in places like Philadelphia, for some reason. All readings on this site have been moderate and well below the 'alert' state. However, there is still no information on which kinds of broken atoms (ionizing radiation sources), which particles are found and in which region.

Some earlier threads offered websites which update with fairly credible sources. Use discernment and self educate. I agree, don't just read anything and freak out. Self educate, discipline oneself with the rush of energy which fear may evoke.

[onawah]

Viewzone is a good site, and this info from them is current, as is the info from ENE News (Energy News).
I think there is MUCH we can do about this, but we must first be aware of the dangers.
Playing them down and going into denial will certainly not help.


UPDATE MAY 2012: Wow. Things got even worse!

I suppose there are still some people who have not heard about the catastrophe happening at the Fukushima nuclear facility in Japan. But that is going to change abruptly.

When the body of this story was written a couple of months ago, we were hearing from TEPCO, the company who own and manage the facility, that there had been three meltdowns! Just one would have been a matter deserving of grave concern... but three! It seemed that the worst had happened. But it hadn't... or actually it had happened already but was not talked about.

The explosion in reactor building number four [above] turned the reinforced concrete and steel walls into broken chunks that crumbled and fell. This exposed a large part of the inner works of the building, including the huge swimmingpool of coolant that was keeping 1,500 fuel rods -- some new and some with plutonium -- from self-igniting and exploding.

In the explosion that followed the earthquake, the pool itself was cracked and has been leaking water to the basement of the building, where it is pumped back up to the pool. The water levels have been low and the temperatures are climbing. And while this is going on, the structural integrity of the supports for the heavy storage pool (which also has a crushed crane resting on it) have been downgraded to zero. Anything could collapse the pool, at any time. The results of this event could eventually result in a mass extinctions in the Northern Hemisphere.

This is not science fiction or efforts to make people afraid. This problem is being attacked right now... or rather, it's NOT being attacked. No one is doing anything about it. They can't. It's too radioactive to even get near the site for even a short time. The coolant water not only keeps the radioactive fuel rods below their melting point but it also shields the rods from spewing lethal radiation.

Unlike the cinema, no one has yet even proposed assembling a team of experts, starring Bruce Willis and "Mister T", to save the planet. Short of Godzilla swimming up and eating the number four fuel storage pool, we're stuck with this looming danger for the next decade, perhaps even beyond. That is, of cource, if there's anyone still around.

You might expect that the US, whose West coast will be the first location (outside of Japan) to suffer from the collapse of the storage pool and subsequent radioactive fire, would be deeply concerned. The fact that they do not even talk about this problem openly is reason to suspect something bad looms in the conversations in secured rooms among those that should know.
READ THE REST AT http://www.viewzone.com/wereallfuked.html


Former Ambassador: No. 4 reactor a top national security issue for entire world — Could start “the ultimate catastrophe”

Mitsuhei Murata, 74, a professor emeritus at Tokaigakuen University who once served as Japan’s ambassador to Switzerland, said, “The existence of the No. 4 reactor has become a major national security issue for the entire world that does not take a back seat even to North Korea’s missile issue.”

He had called for a halt to operations at the Hamaoka nuclear power plant even before the Great East Japan Earthquake struck last year, leading to the nuclear crisis.

“If an accident should occur at the No. 4 reactor, it could be called the start of the ultimate catastrophe for the world,” Murata said as a witness at an Upper House Budget Committee hearing in March.

See also:

Mainichi Expert Sr. Writer: Gov't sources say No. 4 pool a grave concern -- Storage pool barely intact -- We have no time to humor senseless thinking of those who downplay the risks
Murata: Former Japan Ambassador Warns Gov't Committee: "A global catastrophe like we have never before experienced" if No. 4 collapses -- Common Spent Fuel Pool with 6,375 fuel rods in jeopardy -- "Would affect us all for centuries"
Wyden: WSJ: Very dangerous situation at Fukushima Daiichi says Senator -- Taking years to remove fuel "carries extraordinary and continuing risk" -- No comment from Tepco, Japan gov't -- Quake could send buildings tumbling down, resulting in "an even greater release of radiation"
Expert: M7.0 quake can cause Spent Fuel Pool No. 4 to collapse -- New study warns fault nearby Daiichi plant ripped open on 3/11; 70% chance of big quake this year
Gundersen: Move south of equator if Unit 4 fuel pool goes dry, that's probably the lesson there -- Like cesium from all 800 nuclear bombs ever dropped on Earth, except all at once (VIDEO)
Alvarez: HuffPo: Large amounts of radioactive materials could be deposited across 1,000s of miles if water lost at Fukushima fuel pool -- Media just beginning to grasp that danger to world is far from over -Nuclear Expert
Matsumura: Former UN adviser: If No. 4 pool collapses I've been told "during 50 years continual, you cannot contain" (VIDEO)
Lyman: Paper: Physicist warns even if No. 4 Spent Fuel Pool survives another major quake, "failure of jury-rigged inadequate piping installed after disaster could put cooling system out of commission"
Edwards: Canadian Nuclear Scientist: Another, even more dangerous possibility than fire at Spent Fuel Pool No. 4 -- Re-initiation of chain reaction can occur if fuel rods move slightly, an "accidental criticality"
Burnie: Nuclear expert raises doubts about support columns under Spent Fuel Pool No.4 at Fukushima Daiichi (PHOTOS)

READ THE REST AT http://enenews.com/former-ambassador-no-4-reactor-top-national-security-issue-for-entire-world-could-start-the-ultimate-catastrophe-asahi

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Published on May 11, 2012 by ConspiracyScope

Mike Adams presents a Fukushima mega-meltdown special on the Friday, May 11 edition of the Alex Jones Show. Adams talks with Arnie Gundersen, the chief engineer of energy consulting company Fairewinds Associates and a former nuclear power industry executive. Mr. Gundersen continues to warn about the cataclysmic potential of the damaged Fukushima nuclear plant and is now warning about serious problems at the San Onofre nuclear plant in San Diego. Mike also talks with Len Saputo, a board certified doctor of internal medicine and the founder of the Health Medicine Forum, a non-profit educational foundation. Dr. Saputo will talk about health issues related to the Fukushima disaster.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Z5J1eVCt_w

[Snowbird]

i don't think telling people improves the situation. a lot of damage is done through what people create in their minds (and subsequently in "reality"). we all know that a state of permanent fear is detrimental to health, so it may be better if the general population remains oblivious of a situation that cannot be changed anyway.

On one hand I agree with this statement. And perhaps the MSM believes this also.

However, this is the very type of subject that has the potential of jolting tens of thousands awake and forcing them to become aware.

Is the fear aspect a good thing? Of course not. But those now awakening must learn to temper their fear with the knowledge of what is happening around them. Who knows, but there may be a scientist among them who knows how to reverse the severe affects of radiation in the human body.

Knowledge is truly power!

[onawah]

Nuclear Insanity
Mark Sircus 30 May 2012

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excerpts from:

What kind of stupid insanity places hundreds of tons of exceptionally dirty nuclear spent-fuel rods in the same building and area as a nuclear reactor? Demonstrating how insane nuclear engineers and scientists can be, they put the most dangerous pool in the solar system where?

Pools are 100 feet above the ground and are completely
open to the atmosphere because the reactor buildings were
demolished by explosions. The pools could possibly topple or collapse
from structural damage coupled with another powerful earthquake.
Huffington Post

The New York Times said, “What passes for normal at the Fukushima Daiichi plant today would have caused shudders among even the most sanguine of experts before an earthquake and tsunami set off the world’s second most serious nuclear crisis after Chernobyl. Fourteen months after the accident, a pool brimming with used fuel rods and filled with vast quantities of radioactive cesium still sits on the top floor of a heavily damaged reactor building, covered only with plastic.”


“The urgency of the situation is underscored by the ongoing seismic activity where 13 earthquakes of magnitude 4.0-5.7 have occurred off the northeast coast of Japan between April 14 and 17. This has been the norm since the first quake and tsunami hit the Dai-Ichi site on March 11 of last year [2011]. Larger quakes are expected closer to the power plant,” continues the Huffington Post. A magnitude 7 or 7.5 earthquake would likely fracture that pool, and disaster would ensue, says Arnie Gundersen.

Hey folks, I don’t want to ruin your day but I have to report that there were two 6.0 earthquakes off the northern coast of Japan. One I reported on last week[1] and now already another. And before I can even finish this essay there is a third. Do you hear the drums of doom? And before I catch my breath… a magnitude 6.7 earthquake struck northern Argentina early on Monday, the U.S. Geological Survey said. The quake occurred at 2:07 a.m. local time (5.07 a.m. British time) and was centered 72 miles (116 km) east-southeast of Santiago del Estero, the USGS said.


A deep 6.0 magnitude earthquake struck the region of the Bonin Islands at a depth of 472.6 km (293.7 miles) on the 27th. The epicenter of the earthquake was 201 km (124 miles) W of Chichi-shima, Bonin Islands, Japan and 979 km (608 miles) S of Tokyo, Japan. However, the quake was the second 6.0 magnitude earthquake to strike off the coast of Japan in four days, and the third in a week.

According to Fukushima Diary, a TEPCO worker at Fukushima said: “If another major aftershock hits Fukushima, they can’t even get close to the reactors and the risk is not only SFP4, it would be all the reactors. I tweeted this before but in case of another major aftershock or Tsunami, it won’t be only reactor 4. I think all the reactors will be in crisis. TEPCO says they have prepared multiple coolant means, but if the radiation level goes too high, we cannot even get close. Also even if the reactor buildings remain safe, roads won’t be safe to approach the reactors. Actually 311 caused a lot of cracks on the ground; there were a lot of places where you cannot drive by car. Even pumper trucks or fire trucks cannot drive maybe. Above all, now we don’t have enough human resource or engineers to settle down reactor4 in addition to other reactors.”
It’s Happening All Over the World

Nervous shoppers fled into the streets when a 4.7-magnitude earthquake rattled the New Zealand city of Christchurch on the 25th—a 5.6 earthquake that jolted Bulgaria was strongest since 1858, and the aftershocks continue and the destruction was broad.

In Italy it was devastation. A strong and unusually shallow earthquake struck northern Italy last weekend, fracturing pavement, sending torrents of brick and rubble raining down from buildings, and killing seven people. The powerful shaking was a first for the region in centuries—and fairly surprising to seismologists. Data indicate the magnitude 6.0 quake, which struck on Sunday (May 20), was a thrust quake—the type of earthquake caused when two tectonic plates smash together—yet it occurred at a depth of just 3 miles (5 kilometers). Another earthquake in the same region of Italy occurred on May 29 measuring 5.8 and killing more people, disrupting train services and toppling many structures.

And now a magnitude 6.7 earthquake struck northern Argentina early on Monday the 28th, the U.S. Geological Survey said. The quake occurred at 2:07 a.m. local time (5.07 a.m. British time) and was centered 72 miles (116 km) east-southeast of Santiago del Estero, the USGS said. On May 24, 2012, in the Arctic Circle a strong 6.2 magnitude earthquake shook a region of the Norwegian Sea at a depth of 8.8 km (5.5 miles).

Conclusion

One does not have to be a prophet to see what is coming at this point. The earthquakes are real and are intensifying and so are the volcanoes as is the coming financial storm that will burn down the paper house.

The intensity and characteristics of recent seismic activities has surprised scientists and is scaring the wits out of millions. Earthquakes are doing things that haven’t been generally characteristic of earthquakes before. It seems that the earth’s seismic dynamism is shifting and change is accelerating and this is not good news for the human race with the Fukushima reactor building No. 4 hanging by a thread.

Forty million Japanese are in “extreme danger” of life-threatening radiation poisoning. Tens of millions of Japanese refugees would have to relocate in the very-likely event that the Fukushima Dai-Ichi nuclear facility’s reactor No. 4 completely collapses.

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Most will continue to think, well it’s only happening over there in Japan. In my next nuclear essay, “Radiation Hitting the Streets of LA,” we will see clearly that it would be a mistake to believe this. Certainly the northern hemisphere has been well nuked by Fukushima already but many are preparing for act two of the Fukushima drama when and if building No. 4 goes down lighting a nuclear fire that will burn through people’s cells the world over.

[nearing]

And even the low doses over this great length of time are killing people.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffmcmahon/2012/05/29/should-we-hide-low-dose-radiation-exposures-from-the-public/


Should We Hide Low-Dose Radiation Exposures From The Public?


Ruriko Sakuma, daughter of dairy farmer Shinji Sakuma, rubs a cow at their farm in the village of Katsurao in Fukushima prefecture, 25 kms west of the stricken Fukushima nuclear power plant on May 3, 2011 after returning to feed their livestock from a shelter in Fukushima City. (Image credit: AFP/Getty Images via @daylife)

When fallout from the Fukushima nuclear disaster began appearing last Spring in U.S. air, rainwater, drinking water, and milk, many U.S. media outlets ignored the story.

It was a difficult story to cover. The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency was releasing raw data erratically, sometimes late on Friday afternoons, and reporters either had to possess radiation expertise or take a crash course in picocuries, millisieverts, MCLs and DILs.

It was much easier for reporters to accept reassurances from government officials that the fallout drifting across the U.S. was “well below levels of public concern.” And it was much easier to heed pleas from government and industry that we not alarm the public.

But experts in low-dose radiation will tell you scientists know too little about the effects of low-dose radiation for public officials to make such sweeping statements, and most scientists believe that across large populations, more exposure means more cancer:

“There is scientific consensus on a prevailing hypothesis that, down to near-zero levels, the occurrence of future cancer is proportional to the dose of radiation received,” writes Gordon Thompson, executive director of the Institute for Resource and Security Studies, in the May/June issue of The Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists.

This hypothesis is called the Linear No-Threshold (LNT) Hypothesis. It implies that no additional dose of radiation, however small, can be described as absolutely safe.

Government and Industry officials downplay that implication, and reporters have been complicit in hiding it from the public. Thompson suggests this policy approach may be patronizing, obsolete, and a threat to public faith in science:

Public fear does not provide a reason to hide the logical implications of the LNT hypothesis. An attempt by experts to hide these implications is likely to be counterproductive. The truth would probably be revealed eventually, leading to diminished public faith in the relevant experts and in science in general. Ultimately, public fear could be exacerbated. Also, when experts consider public fear, they should account for contemporary views on individual agency. In past years, well-meaning doctors would often withhold a diagnosis of cancer to avoid alarming a patient. Now, such behavior is generally regarded as patronizing and obsolete.

via “Unmasking the Truth,” The Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists

If this is true for public officials, it’s at least as true for reporters, who should act as watchdogs, scrutinizing the actions and statements of public officials.

When fallout from Fukushima reached the U.S. last year, few reporters did so.

When radioactive strontium appeared in Hilo, Hawaii milk, the Honolulu Star-Advertiser stated matter-of-factly in a headline that the radiation was “no cause for concern.” That statement is at odds with scientific consensus.

Reporter William Cole relied on assurances from his expert, Lynne Nakasone, administrator of Hawaii’s Environmental Health Services Division, who told him, “There’s no question the milk is safe.”

Of course, there is a question whether the milk was safe.

Why would public officials downplay risk to the public? Because radioactive strontium can put a damper on milk sales.

In The Bulletin, Gordon writes that political pressure from economic interests too often influences policy approaches to low-dose radiation:

A question for professional bodies is whether, in a politically pressurized environment, they will not only speak about the uncertainties of the LNT hypothesis, but will also acknowledge its logical implication: Even very low-dose radiation can be expected to sicken and kill a number of people over time.

That’s a good question for professional bodies of reporters, too. If even very low-dose radiation can sicken and kill people, should we hide exposures from the public?

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Unbelievable!

[TargeT]

“There is scientific consensus on a prevailing hypothesis that, down to near-zero levels, the occurrence of future cancer is proportional to the dose of radiation received,” writes Gordon Thompson, executive director of the Institute for Resource and Security Studies, in the May/June issue of The Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists.

This hypothesis is called the Linear No-Threshold (LNT) Hypothesis. It implies that no additional dose of radiation, however small, can be described as absolutely safe.

This is more of the "same"..... that is a completely incorrect statement.

thats like saying : too much water kills, so no exposure to water, however small, can be described as absolutely safe.

if the logic isn't even sound enough to pass the brief skim that I gave it I'd hate to dig deeper....

[Rocky_Shorz]

(AP) TOKYO - Worries over radiation are so rampant in Japan after last year's nuclear meltdowns that the world's first cell phones with built-in radiation monitors are going on sale.

Softbank Corp., the carrier for the hit Apple iPhone and iPad in Japan, says the Pantone 5 mobile device, which shows the microsieverts-per-hour number on a display at a push of a button, will go on sale in July. Pricing was not announced.

The tsunami last March in northeastern Japan set off meltdowns and explosions at Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear plant. Areas near the plant are a no-go zone. But "hot spots" have popped up in many places, including Tokyo. Many Japanese are worried, especially families with children.

Softbank President Masayoshi Son publicly opposes nuclear power after the disaster, and is an aggressive proponent of solar and other renewable energy...

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In this Tuesday, May 29, 2012 photo, the Pantone 5 mobile devices, the world's first cell phones with built-in radiation monitors, are shown during a press conference by Softbank Corp. (AP Photo/Kyodo News)...

wondered how soon this would be available...

story link (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-205_162-57443684/cell-phones-monitoring-radiation-to-sell-in-japan/)

[nearing]

“There is scientific consensus on a prevailing hypothesis that, down to near-zero levels, the occurrence of future cancer is proportional to the dose of radiation received,” writes Gordon Thompson, executive director of the Institute for Resource and Security Studies, in the May/June issue of The Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists.

This hypothesis is called the Linear No-Threshold (LNT) Hypothesis. It implies that no additional dose of radiation, however small, can be described as absolutely safe.

This is more of the "same"..... that is a completely incorrect statement.

thats like saying : too much water kills, so no exposure to water, however small, can be described as absolutely safe.

if the logic isn't even sound enough to pass the brief skim that I gave it I'd hate to dig deeper....

T, I am not following what you are saying here. The body has it's own natural ability to get deal with a certain amount of radiation, keeping the cells from mutation. The hypothesis is saying that there is a certain threshold under which this process continues over the life of the body. But once the threshold is crossed with even a small amount of radiation, the body can no longer keep the cells from mutating.

With a big blast of radiation , that threshold is crossed very quickly. Over a period of a long time, even low doses of radiation will push over this threshold. So then, no amount (no matter how small) of radiation will be safe.

I hope I am making sense.

[TargeT]

“There is scientific consensus on a prevailing hypothesis that, down to near-zero levels, the occurrence of future cancer is proportional to the dose of radiation received,” writes Gordon Thompson, executive director of the Institute for Resource and Security Studies, in the May/June issue of The Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists.

This hypothesis is called the Linear No-Threshold (LNT) Hypothesis. It implies that no additional dose of radiation, however small, can be described as absolutely safe.

This is more of the "same"..... that is a completely incorrect statement.

thats like saying : too much water kills, so no exposure to water, however small, can be described as absolutely safe.

if the logic isn't even sound enough to pass the brief skim that I gave it I'd hate to dig deeper....

T, I am not following what you are saying here. The body has it's own natural ability to get deal with a certain amount of radiation, keeping the cells from mutation. The hypothesis is saying that there is a certain threshold under which this process continues over the life of the body. But once the threshold is crossed with even a small amount of radiation, the body can no longer keep the cells from mutating.

With a big blast of radiation , that threshold is crossed very quickly. Over a period of a long time, even low doses of radiation will push over this threshold. So then, no amount (no matter how small) of radiation will be safe.

I hope I am making sense.
ahh yes, the accumulative nature; definitely a miss-read on my part.. this makes sense

[nearing]

Oh yeay! I thought I was the one misreading! lol.

I am glad we re the same page. :cool:

[ThePythonicCow]

Perhaps on a statistical basis, over a population at large, no increase in radiation dosage is completely safe, because any increase in radiation will cause an increase in ill-health to at least a few individuals.

At the same time, perhaps on an individual basis there is a threshold below which the body can easily heal faster than the radiation causes damage, so variations below that threshold are essentially harmless ... no discernible affect.

[CdnSirian]

Trouble is, it's cumulative.

[chancy]

I am here in Northeastern us,
the climate here has changed alot.

I mean its inevitable to notice some differences due to weather interference, chem trails, reflection, not to mention what's been in the atmosphere building up for years.

we usually have cold winters, deep snow. this year, nada hardly a real snow fall.
usually there are summer storms, lots of them, it being only may i'm not going make a formal complaint, i just miss the weather and i hope it comes through.
but these days that it is noting but white in the sky, not even a break to see the blue, no definition of clouds. its the most unnatural looking fog i've seen.

There are still those good days don't get me wrong. But if there were something up with fukushima what would it look like to us coming here?
what about Ukraine and other places where there have been accidents before - what might this look like for us, earth, Canada looks -from this- like its getting the most of it. what does canada have to say? i wonder..

I'm sorry, i was only wondering if anyone else was experiencing the cloud cover looking unsettling at times.

Hello nenosema:
Here in western Canada we have had cloud cover like you explained for years and then all of a sudden about 6-8 months ago it disappeared. We have had nice blue skies like it used to be. Not sure what changed but this year was supposed to be the worse winter on record for western Canada and we had almost no snow but lots and lots and lots of high winds.
The weather is really unsettled all the time. One day it's 32 celcius and the next week or 2 it's 10-15 celcius.
The weather is definitely not normal by any means. Not your normal springs, summers, falls or winters. All we can do is enjoy the nice days and put of with the bad days.
Have a great day!
chancy