music exposed

[MiguelQ]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGnMYD2uuNo&feature=topvideos

[Anchor]

That was very interesting. Powerfully presented.

I actually felt the pain for a moment during that before I figured what was happening and shut it down.

What a trip he has been on, it looks like he is now part of the UPRISING

Website is quite interesting http://www.farhankhan.com/
John..

[Celine]

Artists int he industry..feeling the pressure to speak out..

Some belive this is why Micheal Jackson is dead...

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[Tuza]

Artists int he industry..feeling the pressure to speak out..

Some belive this is why Micheal Jackson is dead...

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I was a big Jackson fan and saw him when he was down here during the 80s. Now I don't really know what the whole deal is with Motolla and Sony Celine or if there was a conspiracy with his death or not.

I would appreciate anyone giving me a link to this whole bad thing going on with the sell your soul to the devil makers which obviously equal Sony if you want to get a record out - hmmm, me thinks Mike was right, Motolla is a devil. Didnt know about this down here but I would like to research.

[Pan]

Artists int he industry..feeling the pressure to speak out..

Some belive this is why Micheal Jackson is dead...

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The greatest dancer in modern history
And one of the greatest gesamtkunstwerk artists we have ever seen in our entire known history.

I find it hard to comment directly on the video clip. Not that I don't believe it (because michaels history should speak for itself) but because for me personally its a very deeply troubling story.

Thank you for posting this Celine, I hadn't seen it.

[Humble Janitor]

Here's what I don't get: You're talking about a man who wrote hateful songs about his mother and his wife. Are we supposed to just forgive him because supposedly, he sold his soul to a demonic entity?

I suppose it's true that you're supposed to hate the actions and not the man himself. I'm not sure how he can even live with himself after what he became.

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I was a big Jackson fan and saw him when he was down here during the 80s. Now I don't really know what the whole deal is with Motolla and Sony Celine or if there was a conspiracy with his death or not.

I would appreciate anyone giving me a link to this whole bad thing going on with the sell your soul to the devil makers which obviously equal Sony if you want to get a record out - hmmm, me thinks Mike was right, Motolla is a devil. Didnt know about this down here but I would like to research.

To me, Michael was a ritual sacrifice by the higher ups. I'm still not completely convinced that he is dead but as far as his public image and his music, they are "dead".

It's sad that it came down to this and "they" are the ones who destroyed his life with the child molestation allegations, etc.

[Decibellistics]

Hell yea dude.

Check out professor griff from public enemy too. It's sick. I just saw a lady gaga video for don't call my name alejandro. All Nazi affiliation, and she was wearing a knights templar outfit......Crosses with triangles around em and ****. The game is whack he is totally correct.. These cats got these young people that are wanting to make it and better themselves by their balls. They in turn sign a contract....for their souls basically. These people don't see a dime from their record sales generally. They make it all back via royalty, merchandise, and touring. The reason we have mediocre crappy music time and time again is A. The system is failing, and they are REALLY scared of taking a chance on music that is amazing and instead spend it on what they already know will sell which is crap for the most part.

I'll break it down for you

Band sells 300,000 records for 10 bucks a pop. That is 3 mill

Label: HELLAS lol
Producer 90k
Recording company 50
Lawyer 40
Agent 15
Band makes out with about 13,000 for the year.
This is a gross generalization but I learned this in my media class...it is absolutely correct. This is how the industry works.

Also, they will give the band a front of money generally to record their albums.....The band actually owes this money back to the label.....it's a loan........

My teachers at school are not sugar coating it...they flat out tell us there really won't be anyone that will make money. Maybe one out of 10 in each class will make a decent living....our class sizes are 10.............My goal is to travel the world record as many beautiful underground musicians for just enough for me to survive. I wouldn't mind holding a boom mic for someone either doing a documentary on tribal dance, song, and ceremony either though..............It's really really sad. Something so beautiful like music and wanting to create it as your life can turn into a hell due to capitalism. The arts are the most important thing to our reality I think next to technology I suppose. And food... lol

[HORIZONS]

It's really really sad. Something so beautiful like music and wanting to create it as your life can turn into a hell due to capitalism.

In my humble opinion, based on my personal observations and experiences...

It is also a hell to be a right-brained musician/artist and not be able to make a living creating the labor of love of your life because you wont sell out - and then you are forced to live and function in the left-brained world to pay the bills, and slowly your artistic nature is comprised - and then one day you realize you have sold out in another way by default. That too is hell!

"To you the blind that once could see, the bell tolls for thee." comes to mind for this thread.

[JoshERTW]

Horizon's - I hear ya

The trick is to tread in both worlds - write that music and get it out, whether just to friends relatives whoever. Operate from the shadows - if your art is from the soul and is meant to make a difference (as I'm sure it is) then it will. Always make that time. On that day off, don't be dragged downa nd think "I have to work tomorrow, I'll just watch TV and go to bed early today..." rock out! DO what you are here to do.

I must say - this video was pwerful and inspiring to me as a musician, and at the same time, as a slave to the system - thanks Miguel.

For the record I experienced 2 distinct synchronicities during this video and will be passing it on to those who need to see it.

[bluestflame]

give to ceasar what belongs to ceasar , I think we've become so accustomed to the monetary system and its inbuilt powerstructure that sometimes we miss the point , we are conditioned through media to want "things" advertising triggers manipulates, instills that "want" energy we feel the lack because of the effective media programming , they advertise and promote movies with "teasers" specifically aimed at cultivating within us the desire to see some movie where before the advertising , before we knew of this movie we did not have that desire , manipulation and trickery,

could look at it from another angle that they should have a legal responsibility to provide access to thier movies without restriction , because after all they have manipulated a desire where there was none before

just food for thought

I agree they are messing with our kids heads through the music and under the guise of befriending them and relating to them , with lyrics that feed thier innate feeling that something's wrong with the world , while overstimulating thier sexualization with suggestive phrases and imagery, stirring up the baser emotions so they can steer it

popstars that look like pornstars , "worshiped" and adored , an escape from the feelings for just one moment

"create a state of heightened anxiety and offer relief from it " thus the program takes root , the old punishment reward system of training

archetypal imagery , like what is a robot , what does a ringmaster do , what feelings are associated with a circus

aggression directed through global warming agenda that have five year olds blaming thier parents for "killing the planet" and "destroying thier future"

ask any five year old about the state of the earth they will recite back to you the propaganda planted driven by agenda

there's a lots of things to look at and the groups of small things spread out over a wide area , different delivery methods

the whole concept of "joining the dots " indicates they are spread out and we need to look to find them

[bluestflame]

they seem to want to apply the fruits of thier mind research upon the next generation starting as soon as they are able to watch tv, establishing a solid foundation

and how many kids believe it's thier right to have a mobile phone , as young as 12, 13 , frineds coach them to use the "it's for security if i ever get sttranded I can call for help, or parents , or they can call me if i'm late" but so can anyone else if they have the number

[Humble Janitor]

As a music DJ, I'm not that familiar with the record industry. From what I've learned though, a lot more artists are dependent on Myspace and digital music pools, in which you are given a password and you can download albums to burn and review, etc for DJ'ing purposes. I usually tend to stay away from anything that has a major label connection, though it's not always avoidable with metal and loud rock acts. From what I've noticed with some metal bands is that they are trying to uncover the truth through their lyrics. Megadeth has done a great job of this and if you look at older Iron Maiden videos, especially "Two Minutes To Midnight", there are a ton of symbols and references to a doomsday of sort. I doubt they're actually promoting them rather than trying to catch the attention of those who are awake.

I think the days of bands signing to huge labels and getting shafted in the end are just about over. Only the really manufactured acts (Justin Bieber, Lady Gaga, Miley Cyrus, Rhianna) are still holding out, still trying to control the youth.

If there's one thing these labels cannot stand, it's a fair and honest critique of their acts. I find that is the best weapon in my arsenal other than refusing to play their ****.

You can kill the artist but you can never kill the music.

[Humble Janitor]

Case in point:

Megadeth- Symphony of Destruction

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Lyrics (D.Mustaine):

You take a mortal man,
And put him in main control
Watch him become a god,
Watch peoples heads a'roll
A'roll...
Aroll

Chorus
Just like the Pied Piper
Led rats through the streets
We dance like marionettes,
Swaying to the Symphony...
Of Destruction

Acting like a robot,
Its metal brain corrodes
You try to take its pulse,
Before the head explodes
Explodes...

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The earth starts to rumble
World powers fall
A'warring for the heavens,
A peaceful man stands tall
Tall...

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Megadeth- Endgame

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Lyrics (D.Mustaine)

Attention! Attention!
All citizens are ordered to report to their District detention centers!
Do not return to your homes;
Do not contact anyone!
Do not use any cellular or GPS devices!
Surrender all weapons at once!
Attention! This way to the camps!

I woke up in a black FEMA box
Darkness was all around me, in my coffin
My dreams are all nightmares anymore
And this is what I dream every night

The Leader of the New World Order, the President of the United States
Has declared anyone now residing inside the US of A
Without the RFID chip, you're just an illegal alien
An enemy combatant of America, welcome to the New World Order

This is the end of the road; this is the end of the line
This is the end of your life; this is the...

A society in a society, inside the fence life as you know it stops
They got their rules of conduct and we got ours
Be quick or be dead, you crumble up and die, the clock is
Ticking so slowly and so much can happen in an hour

I learned my lessons the hard way, every scar I earned
I had to bleed, inside the day yard
A system of controlled movement, like a giant ant farm
Any time is long time, now you're not in charge of your time anymore

The Ex-President signed a secret bill that can
Land a legal US Citizen in jail and the
Patriot act stripped away our constitutional rights
They say a Concentration camp just popped up, yeah, right!

Refuse the chip? Ha! Get persecute and beat by the
Tyranny of Mind control, for the mark of the beast
All rights removed, you're punished, captured, and enslaved
Believe me when I say, this is the endgame!

Iron Maiden- Two Minutes To Midnight

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Lyrics (A.Smith/B.Dickinson)

Kill for gain or shoot to maim
But we don't need a reason
The Golden Goose is on the loose
And never out of season
Blackened pride still burns inside
This shell of bloody treason
Here's my gun for a barrel of fun
For the love of living death.

CHORUS
The killer's breed or the demon's seed,
The glamour, the fortune, the pain,
Go to war again, blood is freedom's stain,
Don't you pray for my soul anymore.
2 minutes to midnight
The hands that threaten doom.
2 minutes to midnight
To kill the unborn in the womb.

The blind men shout let the creatures out
We'll show the unbelievers
Napalm screams of human flames
For a prime time Belsen feast...YEAH!
As the reasons for the carnage cut their meat and lick the gravy,
We oil the jaws of the war machine and feed it with our babies.

CHORUS

The body bags and little rags of children torn in two
And the jellied brains of those who remain to put the finger right on you.
As the madmen play on words and make us all dance to their song,
To the tune of starving millions to make a better kind of gun.

CHORUS

Midnight, midnight, midnight
Is all night

Midnight, midnight, midnight
Is all day

Midnight
All night

Hint: Look at the blatant symbolism in the video!

[bluestflame]

yes I agree and it's good to see the amount of sites springing up all over the net with access to the lyrics of the songs so we can all see , take an interest in the music our youth are following (no pun intended) and if they are unaware of the meaning behind the words on both sides of the fence an opportunity for discussion and a sharing of observations

[Celine]

Could there be something, about the "frequencies" used in music that affects our thinking?

[bluestflame]

especially repeditive , try muscle testing (applied kinesiology) to measure bodies response to different music , increases or decreases in strengt

[greybeard]

Could there be something, about the "frequencies" used in music that affects our thinking?

Yes Celine, the words are incidental but the backing track can carry contra rhythms which affect the heart beat and make one feel weak and of course frequencies and subliminal then is more effective, however if it is not in your nature to carry out acts of violence the the music would turn you off and you just wouldent be attracted to it.
Just not your attractor field.

My spiritual teacher, whom I have mentioned mentioned too many times for some, covers this in depth in one of his books.

Gangster rap being a classic carrier. The performers may be in ignorance of the sinister intention of the music.
Not many people are keen on hearing kill your mother rape your sister lyrics but a substantial few are.

While I dont like to talk about it, the lower astral feels very threatened by any rise of consciousness individually or collectively.
The are very powerful and act through those easily led in pursuit of extreme materialism.
They use those of a lower spiritual vibration who are hungry for power and wealth.
Those who would stop at nothing to get what they want.
Those with massive narcissistic ego are easy prey for the lower astral which denies God as creator.

Classical music has a high vibration as has bagpipes, classic rock and roll ok too.
Much good uplifting current music too.

Keep dancing and singing Celine
Great medicine for all.
Love Chris

[Celine]

i grew up in a very musical family...mostly folk music..

Is there any evidence of these frequencies being used?

thank you chris... the music in my heart keeps my soul dancing..

[greybeard]

i grew up in a very musical family...mostly folk music..

Is there any evidence of these frequencies being used?

thank you chris... the music in my heart keeps my soul dancing..

Hi Celine
any music with electronic backing in particular could be used;
I wouldent worry personally.
If any music clashes with your vibrational field you will be turned off by it.
Only those who are very susceptible to lower vibration are affected to the degree that they would do something horrific.
I will give you an example
A professional stage hypnotist can select those susceptible to very deep hypnotic trace and those people will do all kinds of things of stage.
Now if he said to them "At twelve o clock tomorrow I want you to do the same thing on the main street as you just did on stage just now"
Its not going to happen.
It was appropriate behavior in the context of being on stage, its not appropriate on the main street.
We have a built in safety device in the mind to prevent that happening.
Now if a suggestion is made repeatedly under hypnosis over a period of weeks then that is different especially if a reason like " For the good of the country its best that x dies" then the person may commit that act
Soldiers are conditioned to kill over a period of time for the good of the nation.
Any statement used repeatedly has a hypnotic quality.
Similarly listening to Gangster rap once may be unsettling but it would need repeated exposure to it before one would commit violent acts.

love Chris

[Kulapops]

Is this why I like Neil Diamond ??? :0)

[777]

I was a big Jackson fan and saw him when he was down here during the 80s. Now I don't really know what the whole deal is with Motolla and Sony Celine or if there was a conspiracy with his death or not.

I would appreciate anyone giving me a link to this whole bad thing going on with the sell your soul to the devil makers which obviously equal Sony if you want to get a record out - hmmm, me thinks Mike was right, Motolla is a devil. Didnt know about this down here but I would like to research.

www.theindustryexposed.com

Love Eminem or hate him, he's one of the few who have taken the golden handshake for success, sold their soul and actually KNOWS what he's dealing with. Someone like Lady GaGa is a mindslave who has no idea how she's being used in mass masonic ritual and mind control on a daily basis.
The PTB within the music industry want actual blood spilled and the posession of souls.....listners and artists.

Friends and family of succesful artists are killed in exchange for their success. Jacko knew......he died for it.

Take Eminem for an example. His best and childhood friend Proof (rapper) was murdered in exchange for Eminems success. Imagine THAT on your concious! Two years before Proof's death, him and Em made a music video in which Em cries over proof's dying body in a hospital after proof's been shot in a parking lot. Then guess what actually happened?! Yep you guessed it.........the very same thing two years later in reality.

Kany West lost his mum for this. Wu Tang Clan lost ODB for this. No one had heard of Puff Daddy as a musician until his best friend (the most influential rapper of all time arguably) was ritually sacrificed and shot dead. Puffy then became one of the biggest management players in hip hop as his reward.

Tupac spoke out = murdered.

[greybeard]

Is this why I like Neil Diamond ??? :0)

You just like "Crackling Rose" which is a wine. lol
yes a great voice and songs.
Love Ch

[Steven]

Despite the musical frequencies used in this music controlled system, the words used, attitude endorsed by the teller (singer), the story song, etc... are a constant repetition of depressive low level energy concepts and ideas. Like a prayer for tragedy and misfortune recited as a mantra over and over in our youth's mind. The result is catastrophic, with analysis and study, I bet we could link so many suicidal tendencies (It was a group's name btw) with this kind of depressive music. Sex, violence, bullying, killing, control, catastrophes, etc... are the main ideas and concepts carried out in the songs. After a while, these thoughts are so present in our youth's mind that the origin of this "illness of being" becomes very obvious. The negative impact is certainly badly measured and much worse than we can imagine.

We could link the musical industry with the movie industry, in which we find all the same ingredients. The artists are used and sacrificed at the altar of consciousness manipulation for the worse. While this system perpetrate a victimhood consciousness in the mass, it is also sustained by the mass. When one disconnect from this industry, it is one less soul contributing to the program.

Oh, and we could add video games to the category of consciousness negative manipulation. And probably more...

Thanks for the thread Miguel!

Namaste, Steven

[norman]

Intersting thread.

The discussion has a long way go, too. I think it's important to isolate celebrity from music. There may well be some hidden agendas involved with the actual music, though from a musical production point of view I find it hard to believe that there is a lot of it going on in a deliberate way at the artist level.

Celebrity is a very different thing and is one of the products of what I call the oscillation of technology. Technology has always been an amplifier of human effort to produce a bigger result. Using stones to smash things ws using technology and so it goes up the spectrum to GPS and beyond.

At some point, I think it was about the middile of the 20th century, that amplifier went into oscillation ( howling feedback during an amplified stage show is oscillation ). At first it was novel and exciting and a whole 'industry' grew and gorged itself on it's mojo. When I discuss this sort of stuff with industry professionals they usually gripe about piracy and the web being the killer of the industry. Errr.... no, the killer of "the industry' is the same mojo that created it in the first place. The oscilations are continuing to grow beyond the sweet-spot that held the majic for a few decades.

There is a fascinating parallel between all of this big picture technocracy stuff and the purely electronic workings of amplifiers and oscillators etc. For readers here who don't understand electronics I'd be wasting my time continuing with this parallel but I will if you want me to.

Suffice to say that now that the percievable product of a technological system is more artifact than original input, and that the public perception and expectation is for the artifact to BE the product, it's very much easier for remote controllers to manipulate and take over the 'show'.

[Tuza]

www.theindustryexposed.com

Love Eminem or hate him, he's one of the few who have taken the golden handshake for success, sold their soul and actually KNOWS what he's dealing with. Someone like Lady GaGa is a mindslave who has no idea how she's being used in mass masonic ritual and mind control on a daily basis.
The PTB within the music industry want actual blood spilled and the posession of souls.....listners and artists.

Friends and family of succesful artists are killed in exchange for their success. Jacko knew......he died for it.

Take Eminem for an example. His best and childhood friend Proof (rapper) was murdered in exchange for Eminems success. Imagine THAT on your concious! Two years before Proof's death, him and Em made a music video in which Em cries over proof's dying body in a hospital after proof's been shot in a parking lot. Then guess what actually happened?! Yep you guessed it.........the very same thing two years later in reality.

Kany West lost his mum for this. Wu Tang Clan lost ODB for this. No one had heard of Puff Daddy as a musician until his best friend (the most influential rapper of all time arguably) was ritually sacrificed and shot dead. Puffy then became one of the biggest management players in hip hop as his reward.

Tupac spoke out = murdered.

Thanks for the link 777, I have been over there researching and have come away with a whole new perspective on a lot of things. My eyes have been opened to this whole music and fame and money industry and what these artists have truly given up.

I tell ya it made my blood run cold, it really did. Thanks for the eye opener. It was chilling though.

[MiguelQ]

And the truth is much artists out there dont even know how to sing live , like rihanna.. But.. somehow they final songs look Awesome.. Which is sad, because when you go to concerts you get dissapointed.
Now how can we know if someone is.. on the devil side of the music or not?

And one of my favourite singers at the moment that is genuine , and sings equal / sometimes better than recorded studio versions is leona lewis.
I hope Leona Dont fall on the devil side to sell the soul

For those who dont know here, on studio / live here is 2 videos to see how goog singer she is.


"I got you" :
Recorded studio videoclip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INoUKn5D-rw&feature=related
"Bleeding love live":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDatzOCvVvw
"Happy":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upMhZAPOGsw&feature=related
and studio official video clip of "Happy"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8-7teSp8k4&feature=related

She is an angel really

[Humble Janitor]

For me, it's always the message behind the music that matters. I don't want to listen to stuff where the singer is moping over depressing lyrics and I certainly don't want to listen to modern rock crap on mainstream radio because it's very down-tuned and possibly utilizes lower frequencies, not to mention the way it attracts white, lower-middle class males. I've seen fans of this kind of music and they behave poorly, can't hold down a real job and cannot maintain healthy relationships with others. They're programmed.

[MiguelQ]

now the question is , how to deprogram

[norman]

now the question is , how to deprogram

If you mean the musical "artists" themselves, I'd say the first thing a lot of these people need is solitude and meditation with their phones switched off no credit cards in their luggage.

If you mean the rest of us, just start with turning off the TV and leaving it off. You'll be surprised how much better you feel after 6 months of that alone.

The most important point I'm trying to make here is that "more" of anything isn't going to do the trick. If we fall back into being sold another 'theraputic' and cool new trendy way to be "SOOOOOO way past all that other scene maaan", we are only piling more crap on top of crap. All that does is build a rather large pile of it. Sure, if you're so lost and confused that standing up on top of that pile seems like a good idea, go ahead, see if it works for you. I think time is now too short for all those imature and repetitious posturings.

As that Eminem video showed clearly, the crux of the trap they get into is the thing about "attention". Being the center of attention does different things to different people but in all cases of "pop" attention that I can think of the attention is the greasy slope that exasperates them and rips them right up and down and out. Attention seems to be the equivalent to erotic arousal. These people are in a 'driven' mode while under so much attention. The obvious first step is to exit from the attention and then begin to deal with reconstructing their natural minds again.

Alex Jones would be a great role model for these people. He's got a lot of attention and the spotlight is bright on him these days. Pop stars could learn a lot from him. In fact, it seems that there are a lot of pop and film stars trying to get a piece of his action now but they won't understand what it is until they realize that he did the opposite of what they did. He didn't sell out in the first place.

Pop-stardom is really quite out of date. The world has moved on. Being a semi brain damaged self promoting empty vessel, no matter how talented, isn't up to the task any more. The world needs the truth and a lot of it. The new real pop stars are anyone who the establishment has to come chasing, either for a chunk of the action or to 'silence'.

All that worn out 50s 60s 70s 80s 90s musical mojo has lost it's way. You know how the sun shoots fantastic flares out into space and then they curve around fall back into the sun again, that's whats happened to all that music biz stuff. It's been re incorporated. I could waffle on for hours about how and why that all happened but I won't. It's only my own opinion after all.

[JoshERTW]

I think Humble Janitor made an excellent point about metal bands - I have always felt an uplifting energy from heavy metal, and if you watch the movie "Metal a headbangers Journey" you will see the sort of brotherhood this music tends to elicit. I've been in mosh pits many times where I've been knocked on my face only to have a hand thrown my way to help me back up, and have done the same to help others in that situation - the energy is incredible. I saw Metallica for the first time this year, and I was amazed to hear them talking about "sending love" to us, the fans, and all kinds of talk about positive energy etc. It blew my mind, I mean Metallica preaching love and positive energy?

I've seen Iron Maiden a few times, and Megadeth once, and I must say Maiden in particular gave me this same vibe. I know that their bass player and songwriter (most of the songs) Steve Harris, has a deep interest in the Occult. Bruce Dickenson (singer) does also as I understand. I imagine these boys are 'outsiders' looking in and trying to uncover the truth, for themselves and for the good of others. Most metal is rooted in Punk rock, which was completely and 100% based on rebelling against unfair systems of control (at its core anyhow).

Having watched the entire video series which Miguel posted, I am beginning to think even the good guys who don't sell their souls get targeted by the Illuminati. Everyone should add a few bands they like, and why they think they are on the level, and any interesting tidbits:

Megadeth - Already mentioned, tonnes of songs about government corruption and conspiracies, even a song called "Hangar 18" about Roswell - A few years back lead singer/guitarist Dave Mustaine was mangled in a motorcycle accident - he bounced back and has been on a few tours since, despite being told he would never play gutiar again

Iron Maiden - see above - also, they don't just stick to current events, but sing about injustice during the times of William Wallace (The Clansman) and Columbus (Run to the Hills) amongst others. So far no deaths in the band (hope I'm not jinxing it)

Rush - Constant uplifting lyrics about conciousness and improving the human condition - their drummer, also the songwriter of the band has suffered some severe personal losses including his wife and I believe Daugter within a year of one another - they are currently on tour after a long hiatus

Led Zeppelin - Plenty of uplifting music here, nothing to conspiratorial but like Steve and Bruce of Iron Maiden, Jimmy Page of Led Zep. was a huge scholar of Crowley and extremely interested in the occult, in the same way as I mentioned above I expect - outside looking in, intrigued and exploring. AS you may know, their drummer died of alcohol induced complications and the band was effectively destroyed by the loss.

Slayer - as Satanic as they seem at first glance, this band is simply rebelling against organized religion, and the upbringing associated with it. I've seen them live (and seen a few interviews with them) and they are there to entertain, not to promote satanism. Again, it seems like they are calling attention to an issue.

Alice in Chains - Their new album, since getting a new lead singer has a great deal of lyrics relating to 'awakening' and paying attention to whats going on around us my favoirte album of the year. Their original singer died of drug overdose back when their songs were very dark and often negative, but also very anti establishment. The negativity seems to be almost gone, and the fighting the system is still there too

Pantera - Their lead guitarist was murdered a few years ago, after teh band had broken up. Theres a few lyrical examples I can thing of but I'm starting to fall a sleep - may come back to edit this one

I've seen alot (almost all) of these bands live, and have never noticed anything in their shows that might qualify as programming, or any Illuminati symbols . I'm sure I could think of more but would prefer to hear others opinions of bands they have loved that have influenced them.

Best... thread... ever!

J

[ExHaLaTiON]

great thread people, this is an area we should all be investigating more as music plays such an important role in our lives. if your eyes are already open then the negative music should not sway you like it once did but now you can see it for what it really is and understand the meanings behind it. its a war and music is being used as a weapon.

[Humble Janitor]

Since your post is too long to quote JoshERTW, I'm just going to say that it's nice to see a fellow metalhead on this forum. I'm actually still a metal newbie but I enjoy also enjoy punk, hardcore and noise rock/sludge.

There are a lot of metal bands from countries like Finland and Sweden that have been pushing the genre for years. I just love symphonic/progressive metal. I too, get a positive vibe from listening to it. Oddly enough, listening to Black Sabbath relaxes rather than depresses me. That style of music just resonates the most.

[bluestflame]

and whatever else they layer in with the use of more sophysticated mixing software

[sargeist]

I too, get a positive vibe from listening to it. Oddly enough, listening to Black Sabbath relaxes rather than depresses me. That style of music just resonates the most.

definately agree with this. have been listening to metal and hardcore/punk since i was in primary school. i can honestly say at one point it was the only thing keeping me alive.

i listen to other styles/genres, but nothing does it like metal

\m/

[Swami]

The Workings of Evil


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEkANn1IBaQ

[zenith]

Some early metal for the newbies, enjoy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjMizl3qQGE


Peace

[Celine]

The Workings of Evil




Thou i agree with your intent... i do not believe evil is human ..

[greybeard]

Thou i agree with your intent... i do not believe evil is human ..

Our true self is not evil, we all need to be loved.
Chris

[Celine]

i am a very musical being...i to enjoy some of the "classic" Metal music...and can agree with the points made..though i do not find "relaxtion" in Metal music...almost all music brings me..somewhere...

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[Scott]

If you are interested in a possible history of the music industry and don't mind a large volume of reading I would suggest a 16 Part series found on this site.

Inside The LC: The Strange but Mostly True Story of Laurel Canyon and the Birth of the Hippie Generation
http://informationfarm.blogspot.com/2010/02/inside-lc-strange-but-mostly-true-story.html

[Humble Janitor]

I see Judas Priest and raise you both The Devil's Blood and Pentagram (no, they're not satanists despite the names):

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By the way, my avatar is actually an album cover from the Alan Parsons Project called "Sirius".

[zenith]

Nice, I think this says it all,

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[Kulapops]

Oh dear... I watched the whole thing.. and now I'm missing 14 minutes of my life I'll never get back.

You know I don't watch much videos now.. nor follow the doom n gloom threads... but I thought this might be different.. I thought it might actually, you know, contain, like...an interview with eminem..where he actually says these things himself. ? Really? I'm that naive aren't I.

Instead.. we get a very intimidating backing track (apologies if you like that kind of music, but seems to me that the whole point of that kind of music is to create drama and raise the heartbeat... how many times have we seen that kind of tactic in videos?). I would have thought the truth would speak for itself, not need a dramatic backing. Isn't that the case with other vids like loosechange and zeitgeist ? Gosh, if I was really paranoid.. I'd say these vids were created by the illuminati with subliminals to get all the conspiracy counter culter not being able to sleep at night because of their poor agitated hearts....

But.. I'm not that paranoid...

So instead it just looks to me like more Bedtime Stories TM (Kulapops, all rights reserved)...take some well known facts... the music industry is corrupt, people will do anything for fame and fortune... add a bit of conjecture without any proof except song lyrics and the result is an alluring narrative that suggests truth to the viewer, whilst in fact everything is just suggestion. Probably even autosuggestion.

Eminem takes sleeping pills? So did Karen Carpenter. Can't wait to see the follow up vid where we learn how she sold her soul too.

Note to self... stop watching these vids Kula !!!

K

[HORIZONS]

Oh dear... I watched the whole thing.. and now I'm missing 14 minutes of my life I'll never get back.

You know I don't watch much videos now.. nor follow the doom n gloom threads... but I thought this might be different.. I thought it might actually, you know, contain, like...an interview with eminem..where he actually says these things himself. ? Really? I'm that naive aren't I.

Instead.. we get a very intimidating backing track (apologies if you like that kind of music, but seems to me that the whole point of that kind of music is to create drama and raise the heartbeat... how many times have we seen that kind of tactic in videos?). I would have thought the truth would speak for itself, not need a dramatic backing. Isn't that the case with other vids like loosechange and zeitgeist ? Gosh, if I was really paranoid.. I'd say these vids were created by the illuminati with subliminals to get all the conspiracy counter culter not being able to sleep at night because of their poor agitated hearts....

But.. I'm not that paranoid...

So instead it just looks to me like more Bedtime Stories TM (Kulapops, all rights reserved)...take some well known facts... the music industry is corrupt, people will do anything for fame and fortune... add a bit of conjecture without any proof except song lyrics and the result is an alluring narrative that suggests truth to the viewer, whilst in fact everything is just suggestion. Probably even autosuggestion.

Eminem takes sleeping pills? So did Karen Carpenter. Can't wait to see the follow up vid where we learn how she sold her soul too.

Note to self... stop watching these vids Kula !!!

K

Fully agree - LOL! You didn't need a background track to get your point across. ;)

[3(C)+me]

Good thread, I have been pondering this subject for a long time. I used to like Crosby, Still, and Nash until I found out all the dark stuff they had to do behind the scenes in order to make it. Crosby is from a long line of military men and has some very interesting genetics. I think he knows alot about the occult.
I think this is very deep into the industry and I see some artist are attempting to side step this but they will never be as big as Gaga because they will never have to machine behind them.
I think Neil Young found a way of getting out from under these guys, I love him for that. Plus he makes great music.
I never really got into Madonna and Jay-Z and Gaga because they seems so contrived and I felt that I was being led to react in some way. Plus their videos are so over the top and artifical. But this is not just about the music and the players but it is about the fans who get crazy about these performers and act like mindless followers. Just check out Gaga's fans, it is scary. But I think we all have been had from time to time about certain performers.
But now it seems some of these guys are talking and are going to be outed and I think it is going to be great but very distrubing for some too.
A good website is
http//:vigilantcitizen.com/

[norman]

I found this post on a forum I check out regularly for keeping in touch with the inside view of the actual processes of making recorded music.

I hope it's author won't mind me copying it over to here.



Paawo has just replied to a thread you have subscribed to entitled - Music should be free. If you don't want it 'stolen' then don't record it. - in the Piracy discussions forum of Gear****z.com.

This thread is located at:
http://www.gear****z.com/board/piracy-discussions/502839-music-should-free-if-you-dont-want-stolen-then-dont-record-new-post.html

Here is the message that has just been posted:
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Taking an other point of view... you could also think of it as the natural law of supply and demand. EVERY business operates under that law. Also music. Currently the market is overfed. There is so much "todays fashion" crap without substance that I think deserves to die. It happens in all industry... cell phones, cars, magazines, furniture... some business is always in crisis, people lose jobs, the strong and clever remain. The more fashion in the business, the shorter the life time seems to be. Music has converted more and more into a world of consumer fashion. New trend, momentary joy, no substance, throw away, forgotten after use. Too much mass production --> cheap stuff --> no value for user --> hard competition --> some production is bound to die. Supply and demand in effect.

Usually some status quo is then reached again.

So, looking on the bright side of it... when the thing collapses, maybe we will get some better quality again. If the wannabe untalented fashion crap only held up by industrial forces dies and the stuff with real talent survives, we might have again more music with substance.

If the bulk mainstream hypocrite industrially massproduced crap cannot survive its own business model in todays society and todays consumer habits, then it's a paradox anyway. No place for it. Die and rot. Never had a chance to start with.

Someone posted in another thread on GS that he/she doesn't buy music anymore and doesn't listen to radio. For me it kinda the same. Threw my TV out in late 90's, and can't listen to radio anymore. But when I happen hear substance (for me) I pay for it. The music I buy is usually stuff that is too "fringe" for the local stores so I mostly have to order it. E.g. found Inga Liljeström on youtube, ordered her stuff via the local small record shop, waited almost 2 months for the two CD's. But it was worth it. And I also go to concerts sometimes.

I will keep supporting the stuff I recognize as true art. It's maybe a small circle with small revenues, barely surviving. But if it survives, it's enough for me. Even if the main industry dies now, true music will live on. It has never died, world wars and plagues, no matter what.

Sorry about the epic tone on that. Wasn't on purpose.

Cheers, I'll put some good music on :)
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I think the point of it ( for me ) is that music itself isn't the problem and when it's a creative energy in the hands of well balanced musicians it's wonderful. That point seems to get lost in the crush to "get noticed" in the music biz.

[HORIZONS]

I found this post on a forum I check out regularly for keeping in touch with the inside view of the actual processes of making recorded music.

I hope it's author won't mind me copying it over to here.



Paawo has just replied to a thread you have subscribed to entitled - Music should be free. If you don't want it 'stolen' then don't record it. - in the Piracy discussions forum of Gear****z.com.

This thread is located at:
http://www.gear****z.com/board/piracy-discussions/502839-music-should-free-if-you-dont-want-stolen-then-dont-record-new-post.html

Here is the message that has just been posted:
***************
Taking an other point of view... you could also think of it as the natural law of supply and demand. EVERY business operates under that law. Also music. Currently the market is overfed. There is so much "todays fashion" crap without substance that I think deserves to die. It happens in all industry... cell phones, cars, magazines, furniture... some business is always in crisis, people lose jobs, the strong and clever remain. The more fashion in the business, the shorter the life time seems to be. Music has converted more and more into a world of consumer fashion. New trend, momentary joy, no substance, throw away, forgotten after use. Too much mass production --> cheap stuff --> no value for user --> hard competition --> some production is bound to die. Supply and demand in effect.

Usually some status quo is then reached again.

So, looking on the bright side of it... when the thing collapses, maybe we will get some better quality again. If the wannabe untalented fashion crap only held up by industrial forces dies and the stuff with real talent survives, we might have again more music with substance.

If the bulk mainstream hypocrite industrially massproduced crap cannot survive its own business model in todays society and todays consumer habits, then it's a paradox anyway. No place for it. Die and rot. Never had a chance to start with.

Someone posted in another thread on GS that he/she doesn't buy music anymore and doesn't listen to radio. For me it kinda the same. Threw my TV out in late 90's, and can't listen to radio anymore. But when I happen hear substance (for me) I pay for it. The music I buy is usually stuff that is too "fringe" for the local stores so I mostly have to order it. E.g. found Inga Liljeström on youtube, ordered her stuff via the local small record shop, waited almost 2 months for the two CD's. But it was worth it. And I also go to concerts sometimes.

I will keep supporting the stuff I recognize as true art. It's maybe a small circle with small revenues, barely surviving. But if it survives, it's enough for me. Even if the main industry dies now, true music will live on. It has never died, world wars and plagues, no matter what.

Sorry about the epic tone on that. Wasn't on purpose.

Cheers, I'll put some good music on :)
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I think the point of it ( for me ) is that music itself isn't the problem and when it's a creative energy in the hands of well balanced musicians it's wonderful. That point seems to get lost in the crush to "get noticed" in the music biz.

Good post! The point you make is well said indeed. As a musician I have always felt that writing and performing music is about the art-form and the energy behind it - the chemistry of the musicians - and I have never cared about what the industry thinks - which isolates a musician, but helps keep one's musical integrity intact. Whenever I find someone that likes the music I have played I felt successful - it has never been about the money. In fact, I have given away more music than I have ever sold - I just enjoy the sharing of it without any other agenda.

[xbusymom]

I think we also have to look at the way the 'good' music is being utilized for 'evil' purposes...

I see a lot of other ways music is perverted (other than just low-vibe music and evil lyrics) and how people are being programmed to respond to mis-matched or reversed positions of good/bad,

for instance- using the healing harmonics of the Gregorian Chants as the background or transition tunes in the violent video games.

[Ross]

Remember who owns, controls and manipulates this industry, the same 'crew' that control the media, hollywood ect...

The top 3 earners this last year, touring and merchandise: not record sales.

U2 $130 million USD
ACDC $110 million
Beyonce $70 million

Once you have paid your dues to the 'owners' and survive, you then get to sit in the glorified stratosphere where you forget what sheet looks like (layercake) and sit amongst the 'crew' while up and comers dream of this exsitence to continue this charade of 3 and 4 chord voicings that you have heard in more songs than you can count. There is no 'original' music, just the same chord voicings and melodies used with a different face....not dissimiliar to the political campaigns and same ole speeches from prospective candidates to manipulate your consent to vote and in this case, purchase their music.

Ross