Another huge sphere close to the sun!

[RMorgan]

Hey folks,

Well, it happened once.

Now, it happened again!

This seems to be a recurrent phenomenon and no one has a clue about what it actually is.

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Cheers,

Raf.

[schneider]

It looks like we are getting help from" our friends " by inhibiting the sun from blasting the earth with cme's.

[RMorgan]

Hey schneider,

This is just one possibility out of many.

The fact is that no one knows what are these spheres.

They could even be some sort of natural phenomenon which is unknown to science yet.

Cheers,

Raf.

[Carmody]

Thanks Raf, that's an interesting one. It's going to be difficult to explain even through advanced ideas on plasma physics.

It is now, compared to the last similar imagery, MUCH more difficult to explain away as lensing/optics 'internal reflection' issues. Or even as some sort of reflection in the heart of the imaging system. It is also impossible to explain it away as some sort of hardware effect that is deeper than those two.

The thing is, that, as we get into very very high levels of signal vs optical noise floors, optical reflection phenomena can rear their head, in complex lensing systems. But this appear to be a bit beyond that. For example, the deep black of space vs the intense image of the sun. those two combined can create a reverse image, a ghost image in one of the layers of the lensing system. However, this is a bit odd to say the least. The only way it might be possible to explain it away in any lensing reflection sense, is if the full reflection of that specific bit can be found in the sun's emissive content, in any other part of the image that was occurring at the exact same time..


It is possible to see it as some sort of isolated gas or plasma ball of some level of energetic differential, be it molecular and/or charge state, but the interactions seen make this much harder to explain away as even that aspect, as a isolated and poorly understood phenomena.

The odds are, the scientific press will state is as being some sort of charge plasma ball of a sort. But they won't really know. This will be their immediate conclusion, as I'm not aware of any known phenomena that can explain it.

The coupling of (stability in shape of the lighter, thinner-mass or darker circular'ish' area) and the reflection back of another tendril... does seem to show that the energy is organized and 'stubborn' in some way.

what this means, i do not know.

But.. I'm fairly confident that if there is no exact reflection in any other part of the sun's image that can explain it away with optics as being the source....then.... we are looking at a true unknown phenomena of some sort.

The song that started playing as I finished this post, is... "Russell's Teapot (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell%27s_teapot)"

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[RMorgan]

Hey Carmody,

I would exclude the possibility of some sort of optical phenomenon as well, simply because there is real, clear interaction going on there.

I´m sure scientists will come up with an "obvious" explanation for it as well.

We all know that science is an arrogant discipline and can´t live with the "I don´t know" possibility.

Arrogance...If we could just overcome this terrible feeling, our civilization wouldn´t be so messed up.

Anyway, this could be a natural phenomenon, since our science is, compared to the complexity of the universe, so primitive.

Of course, this could be good ETs protecting us, just like it could be bad ETs fueling their ships to attack us. Speculation makes our imagination fly so high!

Or this could be a phenomenon that´s going on for billions of years and now, when we have the tech to observe it, it looks new for us, while in fact it´s not a new thing at all.

Cheers,

Raf.

[Sidney]

MODS, maybe you can merge these two threads.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?45636-THIS-IS-COOL---ORB-deflects-solar-filament.

[Bryn ap Gwilym]

Hi.

Could it be a Lagrangian point?

This video will explain far better than I could, plus eprox 5:17 - 5:22 could be a "let the cat out of the bad"?
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ee/Lagrange_points2.svg/704px-Lagrange_points2.svg.png

[mojo]

Thanks Raf,
and Kudos on the uploaders editing to show us that...the fact that it parks in orbit and blocks makes it less likely to be something natural.

[9eagle9]

Don't worry someone will come along shortly and claim to be communicating with the sphere.

I find it fascinating but I have no idea if the sphere has anything to do with us at all. Behind having to do with the sun which of course affects us all.

It is a unidentified object in the truest sense of the word.


Hey schneider,

This is just one possibility out of many.

The fact is that no one knows what are these spheres.

They could even be some sort of natural phenomenon which is unknown to science yet.

Cheers,

Raf.

[RMorgan]

Thanks Raf,
and Kudos on the uploaders editing to show us that...the fact that it parks in orbit and blocks makes it less likely to be something natural.

Hey mojo, my friend!

We all know that there´s a lot of intelligence in the natural!

The other day I was observing how several drops of rain spilling on my glass window were connecting to each other in a so sophisticated way!!

It´s really impressive what nature can do!

I mean, nature could make the sun itself, so why couldn´t it make black weird spheres that interact with it in a sophisticated manner?

Our knowledge about the cosmos is almost insignificant...

Who knows...

Cheers,

Raf.

[oddjob428]

It looks like we are getting help from" our friends " by inhibiting the sun from blasting the earth with cme's.
This was my initial thought as well.

[ghostrider]

the EMV's are the builders of solar systems, and quardians of the sun, they can change shape and size according to the task at hand. they move into the corona of the sun and farm energy so our planet can be in close to a fusion star. without them the sun would devistate earth with one cme and life goes bye bye . take a look at James Horak's information about the EMV's. that object is an EMV doing what they do .

[drizzt]

the sun gods of ra!!!!

[RMorgan]

the EMV's are the builders of solar systems, and quardians of the sun, they can change shape and size according to the task at hand. they move into the corona of the sun and farm energy so our planet can be in close to a fusion star. without them the sun would devistate earth with one cme and life goes bye bye . take a look at James Horak's information about the EMV's. that object is an EMV doing what they do .


Hey mate,

This is the kind of assertive comments that I, personally, like to avoid making.

There´s no way to simply affirm this possibility, because it´s only a theory and there´s no actual sufficient data to back it up.

So yes, it might be "the EMV's , the builders of solar systems", but it might be billions of other things as well.

Cheers,

Raf.

[Ishtar]

the EMV's are the builders of solar systems, and quardians of the sun, they can change shape and size according to the task at hand. they move into the corona of the sun and farm energy so our planet can be in close to a fusion star. without them the sun would devistate earth with one cme and life goes bye bye . take a look at James Horak's information about the EMV's. that object is an EMV doing what they do .


Hey mate,

This is the kind of assertive comments that I, personally, like to avoid making.

There´s no way to simply affirm this possibility, because it´s only a theory

It's not even a theory. It's wild and unsupported speculation.

A theory is not just an idea... there have to be several components in place before an idea can be deemed a theory.

From Wiki page on Theory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory)



...formal theory is syntactic in nature and is only meaningful when given a semantic component by applying it to some content (i.e. facts and relationships of the actual historical world as it is unfolding). Theories in various fields of study are expressed in natural language, but are always constructed in such a way that their general form is identical to a theory as it is expressed in the formal language of mathematical logic. Theories may be expressed mathematically, symbolically, or in common language, but are generally expected to follow principles of rational thought or logic.

In other words, the idea has to be based upon stuff that's already been proven. It can't be just one uncashed cheque supporting another uncashed cheque supporting another uncashed cheque all the way to the bank, although scientists are guilty of this too.

[Bryn ap Gwilym]

Hi

This has just been mentioned on the 2MIN News May27: Earth Sun Planetary Update aprox 1:38

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[Selene]

What I find fascinating – aside from the wonderful What the heck is it? question – is NASA’s glib and obvious lying regarding previous sightings of this thing/phenomenon/whatever.

They’ve previously tried to paper it over with “camera glitch” “transmission error” etc, cheerfully blaming their equipment for the ‘optical’ image. But there's very clear evidence here that the thingy has some substance or energy of its own: it clearly deflected that CME back to the sun’s surface. Camera glitches – or even coronal holes - can’t do that.

So the obvious question is: Why are they lying?

a) If NASA truly doesn’t know what it is or how it is caused, why pretend to be omniscient via a cheap lie? Why say: Nothing to see here, move along? They could just as easily have said: Hmmm, an interesting new natural phenomenon, the universe is full of wonderful new discoveries…etc etc and kept their integrity. (Such as it is…LOL). On the other hand:

b) If NASA does know something about the phenomenon, their lie so far here is an obvious attempt at coverup and concealment. Of what? They’ve implicated themselves here quite nicely.

And, just a moment Inspector, if I may: One more question?

Q: How come every time a diligent civilian observes something interesting on a NASA space feed, that data immediately gets scrubbed from NASA’s records, or that satellite or image system promptly and inexplicably stops working?

Just asking, Sir.

Cheers,

Selene

[9eagle9]

If you don't know....make it up!

That sphere could have always been there, always been an apart part of the sun and because someone just happened to finally notice it....its a phenom.

These are the sorts of things that make life interesting. In fact nailing it down in a box instead of just allowing it to be what it is, makes it less interesting.

[RMorgan]

Well Selene,

I think science, which is considered by most as the "supreme owner of truth", just can´t live with the idea of simply "not knowing".

Science is arrogant.

We can´t forget that a simple scientist´s answer is also not valid until proven so by the current scientific validation methodology.

So, the public answer to NASA´s assertive responses, should be:

-Do you want us to believe it, NASA? PROVE IT!

Cheers,

Raf.

[Selene]

Excellent, Raf!

We're much too supine about simply nodding our heads to whatever they say.... Or at the least the MSM is.

Cheers,

Selene

[Carmody]

Always recall that they are the ones giving you this information, for your pondering.

If it was not to be given to you, it would not have been.

If there was a need to time delay or filter/monitor said data, it would have been done.

[Dennis Leahy]

What I find most surprising is that the spherical dark "object" does not really "park" but moves with the solar flare. It does not appear to be moved by the solar flare, but rather moves on its own to 'corral' the solar flare.

It would be impossible to take my little knowledge of aberrations within a camera's lens system that produce "lens flares" and related phenomena and say for sure that the lens/sensors and mirrors used in the SOHO camera are not making the black orb. However, it doesn't appear to me to be a camera aberration. Primarily since the orb moves and the camera is not moving, and because the orb seems to interact with the sun without being gravitationally affected (moved towards the sun) nor expelled away from the sun (by any form of solar radiation or solar wind.) Finally, there is the odd property of being black right next to and bathed in a massive amount of light and charged particles. Just my mind wondering, but even if this was a natural phenomenon, such as a "magnetic bubble", why wouldn't the surface become apparent (light up) as photons and /or charged particles contact the surface of the orb? How would any natural phenomenon be able to hold a spherical shape that close to the sun's surface (gravity) and in the intense solar wind?

So now we have seen two orbs (or have seen this orb twice), and have witnessed both the tendril/umbilicus/tether phenomenon and the solar flare deflecting phenomenon. In both cases, we have seen the orb move about as if not affected by solar gravity or solar wind. Whatever it is, it is immensely huge and immensely powerful... and to me, immensely intriguing.

You will need several cups of strong coffee or tea to make it through the following video. The narrator is very slow, very dry, nearly hypnotic... but the material is interesting (and related) so I'll post it.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSezzZoKQdQ
source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSezzZoKQdQ

Dennis

[RMorgan]

Always recall that they are the ones giving you this information, for your pondering.

If it was not to be given to you, it would not have been.

If there was a need to time delay or filter/monitor said data, it would have been done.

This another very important point, Carmody.

When NASA shows/tells something that most people like, people trust NASA.

When NASA shows/tells something that people don´t like, people don´t trust NASA.

If NASA says there are no UFOs, people call it a lie. If NASA shows a possible video of a UFO, people believe it...

This is, essentially, a very incoherent behavior.

Cheers,

Raf.

[gripreaper]

So the obvious question is: Why are they lying?

Cheers,

Selene

In order to live up to their acronym NASA which means "Never A Straight Answer"

[9eagle9]

We are like that too though because we want to 'know' we do just nod our heads and accept any old thing because they said so, because it sounds at least reasonable. People don't much like mystery or not knowing what is going to happen.

[Selene]

Carmody, you commented:


If there was a need [for NASA] to time delay or filter/monitor said data, it would have been done.

True, but this could already be time-delayed or monitored data. I’m just speculating, but it’s possible that since they weren’t expecting to see anything unusual in the datastream on a long, boring shift, they weren’t actually watching it very carefully …. The event was below their threshold. It took a real keener to notice this event and apply some filters.

But who knows?

Cheers,

Selene

[Sidney]

It appears biological to me, like it has intelligence, and a self-known purpose. Sounds crazy, I know.