Bacteria, viruses and parasites 'cause 1.5million cancer deaths each year

[witchy1]

Bacteria, viruses and parasites cause around two million cases of cancer in the world each year, experts believe.

Of the 7.5 million global deaths from cancer that occurred in 2008, an estimated 1.5 million may have been due to potentially preventable or treatable infections.

Scientists carried out a statistical analysis of cancer incidence to calculate that around 16 per cent of all cancers diagnosed in 2008 were infection-related. The proportion of cancers linked to infection was three times higher in developing than in developed countries.

Key cancer-causing infectious agents include human papillomavirus (HPV), the gastric bug Helicobacter pylori and the hepatitis B (HBV) and C viruses. These four were together believed to be responsible for 1.9 million cases of cancer, mostly gastric, liver and cervical cancers.

Cervical cancer accounted for around half of infection-related women’s cancers. In men, more than 80 per cent of infection-related cancers affected the liver, stomach and colon.

Study lead authors Dr Catherine de Martel and Dr Martyn Plummer, from the International Agency for Research on Cancer in Lyon, France, wrote in The Lancet Oncology journal: 'Infections with certain viruses, bacteria, and parasites are one of the biggest and preventable causes of cancer worldwide.

'Application of existing public-health methods for infection prevention, such as vaccination, safer injection practice, or antimicrobial treatments, could have a substantial effect on future burden of cancer worldwide.'
The researchers used information from a number of sources including a cancer-incidence database covering 27 cancers from 184 countries.


Commenting on the findings in journal, Dr Goodarz Danaei from the Harvard School of Public Medicine in Boston, US, wrote: 'Their estimates show the potential for preventive and therapeutic programmes in less developed countries to significantly reduce the global burden of cancer and the vast disparities across regions and countries.


'Since effective and relatively low-cost vaccines for HPV and HBV are available, increasing coverage should be a priority for health systems in high-burden countries.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2141632/Bacteria-viruses-parasites-cause-1-5million-cancer-deaths-year.html#ixzz1uMMT04o4

My comments: Looks like a spruik for forced vaccinations given they are a Pharma.....having said that, I believe that the bugs (infection) causes irritation that damages tissue. The damaged tissue in order to repair itself recruits a lot of immune cells that cause inflammation and that triggers changes that can lead to cancer formation.

The really nasty one is H Pylori!!!! the cause of stomach cancer - kill the bug (as they do now once you have an ulcer) and stomach cancer rates decreased.

HPV is probably the most causative bug that I have come across anyway

It is a disease (initially) of the epithelium so taking Vit A should assist

No doubt now this is out, we will see much more.

[seko]

The use of MMS will neutralize viruses, bacteria and fungi in the body.

It has helped a lot of people around the planet.

[Arrowwind]

yes, they do have a causative effect for cancer but what causes them to to make cancer in some people and not others? What causes them to reside in some poeple and not others?

A depleted and malfunctioning immune response.

This film will show you insights perhaps many of you have not pondered before. This is not a block buster film. It takes some patience to watch it or and OCD personality for information or an extreme interest in optics, but it is most revealing.

http://www.grayfieldoptical.com/symbiosis_or_parasitism.html

this article gives further details on the dark field microscope. Essentially it can see much of what Royal Rife was looking at when he said that cancer was caused by a variety of virus. It also confirms polymorphism. This is one of the leading pieces of information that the conventional medical system does not want you to know and it is why doctors in the USA are not permited to use dark field to diagnose and remains outside of accepted and standard practices of care. To practice civil disobedience you have an obligation to learn.

http://www.healthsalon.org/586/live-blood-analysis-by-dark-field-microscope/

[Arrowwind]

almost all cancer has a pathogeninc underlying cause or strong associaiton. Although things like radiation can cause cancer or other toxins, they always stimulat the presence of pathogens.

Even staph and strep are associated with cancer as well as a host of others more common but still less familiar to the lay person ... as well as liver flukes and other larger parasites. Virus is just a part of the issue. When staph and strep are residing in organs and tissues that they are not common to or when their morphologies are present in such tissues this can lead to cancer too.

Fungus has a strong association with breast and prostate cancer.

Virus is associated with melanoma.

Pancreatic cancer is pathogen based in my estimation when the digestion is weak or poor the pathogens survive the stomach and move up the pancreatic duct... equally true up the common bile duct.

[witchy1]

Pleomorphism is considered mainstream - in that accepted that many bacteria can change their shape. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleomorphism_(microbiology)

I put a thread up about George Merkyl, the first to video them. Not only Rife but Pasteur Virchow and Kock agreed.

I agree its all about the immune system and yes Seko, MMS is the cure

I just thought it was great to finally have this out in msm.

Hopefully we will see a whole lot more about it now....its been hidden for far too long

[Arrowwind]

My understanding is that Pasteur did not agree nor did he agree that the terrain contributed to disease but that disease came about by an invasion. The following is from wiki. So far western medicine has accepted only a very basic acceptance of pleomorphism concerning size and shape. It goes much further than that... . nothing about a microbe changing into what appears to be a totally different thing. The following is from wiki and they say that it has only been recently shown that things can change dramatically... well only recently for the uninformed and brainwashed which our universities seem to be filled with. Ironically the Pasteur institue in France has been doing most of the research over the years... and Germany is well on board.

It will largely remain hidden in my estimation as long as the dark field microscope like the Ergonon remains disregarded in the USA... (cant speak for Europe to much). Some of this stuff is so small... and then to watch it in living action is amazing..


Bacteria
In the first decades of the 20th century, the term "pleomorphism" was used to refer to the idea that bacteria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacteria) changed shape dramatically or existed in a number of extreme morphological forms. This claim was controversial among microbiologists (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microbiology) of the time, and split them into two schools: the monomorphists, who opposed the claim, and the pleomorphists (such as Antoine Béchamp (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antoine_B%C3%A9champ), Günther Enderlein (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%BCnther_Enderlein) and Albert Calmette (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Calmette)).[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleomorphism_(microbiology)#cite_note-1)
Monomorphic theory, supported by Louis Pasteur (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Pasteur), Rudolf Virchow (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_Virchow), Ferdinand Cohn (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferdinand_Cohn), and Robert Koch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Koch), emerged to become the dominant paradigm (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradigm) in modern medical science: it is now almost universally accepted that each bacterial cell is derived from a previously existing cell of practically the same size and shape. However it has recently been shown that certain bacteria are capable of dramatically changing shape, for example Helicobacter pylori exists as both a helix-shaped form (classified as a curved rod) and a coccoid form.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleomorphism_(microbiology)#cite_note-pmid19453756-2)


Pleomorphism is considered mainstream - in that accepted that many bacteria can change their shape. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleomorphism_(microbiology)

I put a thread up about George Merkyl, the first to video them. Not only Rife but Pasteur Virchow and Kock agreed.

I agree its all about the immune system and yes Seko, MMS is the cure

I just thought it was great to finally have this out in msm.

Hopefully we will see a whole lot more about it now....its been hidden for far too long

[witchy1]

Apparently on his death bed Pasteur admitted that Beauchamp was right all along - disease came from within.....

if you go to google scholar there is plenty on pleomorphism: http://scholar.google.com.au/scholar?hl=en&q=pleomorphism&as_sdt=1%2C5&as_sdtp=

Anyway, bit off the beaten track - the point of the thread was to point out that bacteria is being acknowledged as causative in cancer and that IMHO is a huge disclosure

[Maia Gabrial]

IMO
I think what will cure all of our ailments is getting rid of TPTW.... Cancers are not naturally occuring in our bodies. It has to have something introduced to it..... :tsk:

As I understand it, we are supposed to have healthy bodies and be in happy states of mind NATURALLY....

[WhiteFeather]

In what i have been researching re: Cancer is. Cancer is a fungus, it cannot grow in a alkaline body. The mind and body should be pure. Lowering our vibrations from stress, anger, hatred etc. Is a trigger for disease. Heres a good link with regards to raising a healthy PH body.


Http://www.b17.com.au

[Arrowwind]

Apparently on his death bed Pasteur admitted that Beauchamp was right all along - disease came from within.....

if you go to google scholar there is plenty on pleomorphism: http://scholar.google.com.au/scholar?hl=en&q=pleomorphism&as_sdt=1%2C5&as_sdtp=

Anyway, bit off the beaten track - the point of the thread was to point out that bacteria is being acknowledged as causative in cancer and that IMHO is a huge disclosure

Ya, on his deathbed. Thanks alot, Pasteur. Consequently a whole world movement in science was built on his lies... according to my reading he knew long before but money and funding made him move in the other direction. He is fundamentally responsible for the deaths of millions though his greed in this particular arena.


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In what i have been researching re: Cancer is. Cancer is a fungus, it cannot grow in a alkaline body. The mind and body should be pure. Lowering our vibrations from stress, anger, hatred etc. Is a trigger for disease. Heres a good link with regards to raising a healthy PH body.


Http://www.b17.com.au

Only some cancers are fungal. Always the terrain is damaged so pathogens and virus and take the upper hand.
Nothing needs to be introduced. all that is necessary is already there in most cases.. but of course not all. this is what polymorphism, pleomorphism is all about. Damage the terrain with bad diet, stress, drugs, radiation, exposure to pathogens, etc and you have the cesspool necessary to create cancer as the microbes turn virulent and damage surrounding tissues that they dwell in.

[The Truth Is In There]

imo the cause for cancer and almost all other diseases is always (except in cases of radiation damage to dna) wrong nutrition which causes a breakdown of the immune system, and while mms may be a short-term help in many cases by killing the pathogens the only long-term cure is correction of nutritional deficits and errors such as eating processed foods that are both oxidized and full of unnatural components.

regarding the "alkaline body" theory it's important to keep in mind that a healthy body will always regulate the ph provided it has enough of the vital elements (minerals etc.) to do that. your diet can be acidic with lots of sulphur or phosphorous compounds and yet you may be perfectly healthy as long as you also supply enough alkaline minerals such as calcium, magnesium etc. as shown for example by eskimos living on mostly (acidic) animal foods and fish.

[eileenrose]

Bacteria, viruses and parasites cause around two million cases of cancer in the world each year, experts believe.

Of the 7.5 million global deaths from cancer that occurred in 2008, an estimated 1.5 million may have been due to potentially preventable or treatable infections.

Scientists carried out a statistical analysis of cancer incidence to calculate that around 16 per cent of all cancers diagnosed in 2008 were infection-related. The proportion of cancers linked to infection was three times higher in developing than in developed countries.

Key cancer-causing infectious agents include human papillomavirus (HPV), the gastric bug Helicobacter pylori and the hepatitis B (HBV) and C viruses. These four were together believed to be responsible for 1.9 million cases of cancer, mostly gastric, liver and cervical cancers.

Cervical cancer accounted for around half of infection-related women’s cancers. In men, more than 80 per cent of infection-related cancers affected the liver, stomach and colon.
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My comments: Looks like a spruik for forced vaccinations given they are a Pharma.....having said that, I believe that the bugs (infection) causes irritation that damages tissue. The damaged tissue in order to repair itself recruits a lot of immune cells that cause inflammation and that triggers changes that can lead to cancer formation.

The really nasty one is H Pylori!!!! the cause of stomach cancer - kill the bug (as they do now once you have an ulcer) and stomach cancer rates decreased.

HPV is probably the most causative bug that I have come across anyway

It is a disease (initially) of the epithelium so taking Vit A should assist

No doubt now this is out, we will see much more.

HPV and Hept. B can be cured in short order. My local naturopath can easily get rid of either (utilizing a combination of homeopathy and Dr. Bob Beck's protocols).

I don't know about this stomach bug being an issue. Hasn't surface in my stomach cancer issues. And cannabis takes care of my cancer (when it re-occurs...came back twice, after initial treatment...but each time needs less care/time to heal....and still a work in progress). I have discovered lots of reason I have the cancer....so not ruling this bug out as being a contributor....but am not treating it and still getting well.

[conk]

Excerpt from my 11th grader's Science Project, for which she got an A+...........;)
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Even in modern times the established approach to healing; conventional Western medicine denies or downplays the effectiveness of natural healing. When studying the information available it would seem that conventional physicians have much to learn from Mother Nature.

The debate really intensified in the mid 1800s. A man named Antoine Bechamp, often called The Gentle Giant of Science & Medicine, went head-to-head with Louis Pasteur and his Germ Theory of Disease. Through strict scientific methods Bechamp proved that disease was not due to germs or bacteria attacking the body from the outside world. He determined that what we eat, drink, and bathe in are the primary factors that determine our body’s inner condition. He concluded that lifestyle changes, such as wholesome nutrition and environmental, hygienic cleanliness were ignored in favor of other, more profitable solutions.

Mr. Bechamp was degreed in biology, chemistry, physics, pharmacy, and medicine, and practiced all of these disciplines. He was also a university professor in all these fields. The accomplishments of Mr. Bechamp are unmatched and he has few equals in modern times.

Louis Pasteur proposed that germs were lurking about waiting to pounce on the unsuspecting who were helpless to do anything about it. Pasteur was well aware of the work of Bechamp, but rather than embrace and use Bechamp’s research in his own studies chose profit over truth. Mr. Pasteur sided with the greedy, power hungry industrialists and decided to begin an effort to discredit Bechamp’s life work. This was the beginning of pharmaceutical medicine, using drugs to supposedly kill germs. Pasteur aligned himself with the big money players of his time, the Rockefeller and Carnegie families. The Rockefellers used their wealth and influence to establish a world monopoly where drug medicine was the only accepted option for treating disease. This sidelined naturopathic, holistic, homeopathic based medicine. These natural approaches to treatment of disease have been shunned by medical science, government, and academics ever since.

Pasteur was a good salesman. What he lacked in scholarship he excelled in making his opinions believed. Pasteur often rewrote Bechamp’s academic submissions, twisting the sound conclusions to fit his own agenda. His rewrites, edits, and half-truths are, unfortunately, the foundation of today’s modern medicine. Pasteur smooth talked academia, the newspapers, society persons, and government leaders. None bothered to check his work. Sometimes Pasteur wrote about experiments never performed. We know this from his personal writings and diaries. He actually recorded his fake experiments and stolen research. When attempts are made to duplicate his experiments they fail.

Bechamp was the first to understand and catalog the process of fermentation, but Pasteur’s confusing, stolen writings on the subject are recognized as the first. Bechamp scientifically disproved Spontaneous Generation, the idea that flies grew out of fecal matter and that rats were formed from garbage piles. Yet, Pasteur is credited with this discovery.

Antoine Bechamp was the foremost pioneer of science, medicine, nutrition, and genetics all at once. The lack of recognition for this is a literary loss to history, and has resulted in tremendous physical suffering in humanity for generations. Bechamp noted the importance of taking care of one’s self for prevention of disease. He was a champion of self responsibility. He noted that germs abounded in unhealthy environments but were not a problem for those who lived healthful lives and ate healthful foods. He concluded, and proved, that bacterial infestation is a sign of disease and not the cause of disease.

So, the idea of treating and managing disease with drugs took hold. The idea of actually preventing and curing a disease fell off and was ridiculed. This is most unfortunate, because Bechamp’s work has been verified many times over the last 100 years. Dr. E.C. Rosenow of the Mayo Clinic published papers in mainstream science and medical journals that confirmed this work in the 1920s. Mr. Royal Rife, with his powerful Universal Microscope, confirmed the work of Bechamp through many decades. History clearly shows that Mr. Bechamp was a dedicated, truthful genius and that Mr. Pasteur was a fraud and an opportunist. It has been widely reported that Mr. Pasteur recounted his theory and works on his deathbed. His own papers serve to confirm his statements made when faced with death and divine judgment.

Now, many, many decades later the natural health movement is beginning to gain ground on conventional medicine. It will not be an easy fight. Drug companies do not want the knowledge of Mother Nature known. It means less profit for them. If people are really cured of a disease, then doctors can’t ‘manage’ the disease by providing drugs to the patient for years.

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[eileenrose]

Now, many, many decades later the natural health movement is beginning to gain ground on conventional medicine. It will not be an easy fight. Drug companies do not want the knowledge of Mother Nature known. It means less profit for them. If people are really cured of a disease, then doctors can’t ‘manage’ the disease by providing drugs to the patient for years. from above

I don't know about this. When I first began studying herbs, I didn't know anyone else that was. Eventually I met all the herbal people, accupuncture people etc. in my area. So I too thought that this was an explanding field. But now it feels to be contracting, as the FDA here in the US has us fighting for our survival.

Just saying, it was easier before 9/11 (just using it as a fixed point in time), to be in this field and utilitize these products.

[Arrowwind]

Bacteria, viruses and parasites cause around two million cases of cancer in the world each year, experts believe.

Of the 7.5 million global deaths from cancer that occurred in 2008, an estimated 1.5 million may have been due to potentially preventable or treatable infections.

Scientists carried out a statistical analysis of cancer incidence to calculate that around 16 per cent of all cancers diagnosed in 2008 were infection-related. The proportion of cancers linked to infection was three times higher in developing than in developed countries.

Key cancer-causing infectious agents include human papillomavirus (HPV), the gastric bug Helicobacter pylori and the hepatitis B (HBV) and C viruses. These four were together believed to be responsible for 1.9 million cases of cancer, mostly gastric, liver and cervical cancers.

Cervical cancer accounted for around half of infection-related women’s cancers. In men, more than 80 per cent of infection-related cancers affected the liver, stomach and colon.
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My comments: Looks like a spruik for forced vaccinations given they are a Pharma.....having said that, I believe that the bugs (infection) causes irritation that damages tissue. The damaged tissue in order to repair itself recruits a lot of immune cells that cause inflammation and that triggers changes that can lead to cancer formation.

The really nasty one is H Pylori!!!! the cause of stomach cancer - kill the bug (as they do now once you have an ulcer) and stomach cancer rates decreased.

HPV is probably the most causative bug that I have come across anyway

It is a disease (initially) of the epithelium so taking Vit A should assist

No doubt now this is out, we will see much more.

HPV and Hept. B can be cured in short order. My local naturopath can easily get rid of either (utilizing a combination of homeopathy and Dr. Bob Beck's protocols).

I don't know about this stomach bug being an issue. Hasn't surface in my stomach cancer issues. And cannabis takes care of my cancer (when it re-occurs...came back twice, after initial treatment...but each time needs less care/time to heal....and still a work in progress). I have discovered lots of reason I have the cancer....so not ruling this bug out as being a contributor....but am not treating it and still getting well.

the pathogens are a symptom of previous disorder. You will not have cancer without a pathogen issue whether your doc knows how to find it or not... and surely, he does not. . Dont care what the conventional docs say.

[The Truth Is In There]

So, the idea of treating and managing disease with drugs took hold. The idea of actually preventing and curing a disease fell off and was ridiculed. This is most unfortunate, because Bechamp’s work has been verified many times over the last 100 years.

[...]

Now, many, many decades later the natural health movement is beginning to gain ground on conventional medicine. It will not be an easy fight. Drug companies do not want the knowledge of Mother Nature known. It means less profit for them. If people are really cured of a disease, then doctors can’t ‘manage’ the disease by providing drugs to the patient for years.

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the last sentence is the crux of the matter. the drug companies are controlled by the same people who want a) depopulation and b) getting richer and more powerful. by selling drugs that only deal with the symptoms and don't cure they make sure the people have to stay on these drugs and can even sell more drugs that deal with the symptoms of the other drugs' side-effects. it's an ideal way to get lots of people's money and create a physically and mentally sick population that's easily controlled and highly susceptible to laboratory-created diseases in case it becomes necessary to depopulate the planet faster. it's also a kind of natural selection because those people who are aware of what's going on and smart enough to avoid most of what's thrown at them are the ones that will survive while the rest of the population is slowly (or sometimes quickly) being killed without ever figuring out what hit them.

[Arrowwind]

My perception of the matter is that the natural health movement is growing my leaps and bounds and more people are using herbs and vitamins and minerals and whole foods and other alternative means than ever before. I 've been into this for over 35 years now and I can see a huge growth in awareness. .. and the stats for sales of natural products prove it out, in the billions of dollars annually, with growth each year, and of course there are more natropathic doctors than ever before, and it is legal practice where once it was not and I can remember the day when finding a healthfood store was almost impossible unless you lived in a big city... and organic was an unknown word. No organic agriculture grows annually.

And then aside from naturopaths the classical Homeopath has been ressurected from being nearly dead. There are many homepaths now.

I forget the exact numbers but naturoapthic practice is licensed and available in maybe 14 states now with about 7 states pending in the legislation. 35 or 40 years ago, really there was nothing... and of course all these docs use herbs and so many different types of alternative medicine.

So really the impingement by the FDA is only a backlash against the growing will of the people... it is the wreathing of the death throws of conventional medicine. Integrated medicine will come to rule... just give it some more time.

[conk]

My perception of the matter is that the natural health movement is growing my leaps and bounds and more people are using herbs and vitamins and minerals and whole foods and other alternative means than ever before. I 've been into this for over 35 years now and I can see a huge growth in awareness. .. and the stats for sales of natural products prove it out, in the billions of dollars annually, with growth each year, and of course there are more natropathic doctors than ever before, and it is legal practice where once it was not and I can remember the day when finding a healthfood store was almost impossible unless you lived in a big city... and organic was an unknown word. No organic agriculture grows annually.

And then aside from naturopaths the classical Homeopath has been ressurected from being nearly dead. There are many homepaths now.

I forget the exact numbers but naturoapthic practice is licensed and available in maybe 14 states now with about 7 states pending in the legislation. 35 or 40 years ago, really there was nothing... and of course all these docs use herbs and so many different types of alternative medicine.

So really the impingement by the FDA is only a backlash against the growing will of the people... it is the wreathing of the death throws of conventional medicine. Integrated medicine will come to rule... just give it some more time. I agree. Many conventional scientists, researchers, physicians, and administrators are waking up. The evidence is clearly mounting, supporting the idea that humans can heal themselves. The old ideas are losing ground because the efficacy is simply not being shown.

And yes, the FDA is pushing harder and harder to stem the tide. They are of course driven by their masters, the revolving door Pharma thugs who come into government circles and make policy, then go back to their corporate lair and reap the profits.

[eileenrose]

Hi Arrowwind,
I know we are all programmed to believe in parasites, bacteria and so on. We are programmed in our knowledge of what medicine is.
I've been un-doing this program for some time and I remote view my own physical issues (and get help remotely with invisible surgeries from the "john of god' medium/entities).
I am just stating what I am seeing. If there is more I will post it. I just havn't seen a bacteria. I am looking for casual relationships, when I remote view. What food did I eat that aggravated the stomach/spleen and liver areas? What toxins did I expose myself to and need healing, balancing (releasing from their patterns...or it is like we program a pattern into our cellular memory, a time when we were un-aware of something valuable (to us)....and that 'area' will produce 'pain symptoms and distress and evenually dis-ease/ill-ness to gain our attention).

Healing is releasing backed up karma. Simple. No need for surgeries (usually), or BigPharm (big gun) meds. (in most cases/scenioros).

re:
"the pathogens are a symptom of previous disorder. You will not have cancer without a pathogen issue whether your doc knows how to find it or not... and surely, he does not. . Dont care what the conventional docs say. "

[eileenrose]

Here is my order for healing.

Being with issue (see if releases on its own)
Physical palpation to area (to help it release....so tissue work....like massage, chiro)
Homeopathy....for my chronic issues that I havn't gotten to as are beyond my current 'expertise' or 'ability' to discern/work on
herbs ....using some for my heart right now and cancer
Accupuncture....wonderful anytime. but I use for acute conditions....like when I couldn't leave my house and had endless headaches vomiting from smart meters....5 treatments and the severe symptoms vanished

Then if those don't work (or I don't have time to let them work), I visit my Naturopath (he has an excellent Medical background), my own doctors (I keep different specialist handy) or my local ER (for those vomiting episodes/from the stomach cancers/ill-ness that I can't control). And If needed, I take their meds (until I have a better alternative).

[ThePythonicCow]

Acupuncture....wonderful anytime. but I use for acute conditions....like when I couldn't leave my house and had endless headaches vomiting from smart meters....5 treatments and the severe symptoms vanished
Could you "explain" acupuncture to someone who has not used it, and has only recently been taking a peep outside the Western medical models (conventional for many years, then alternative in the manner of Weston Price, Russell Blaylock, Mike Adams or Joseph Mercola)? My good son recommended it to me, and I have my first appointment in a few weeks ... but I have no conceptual model by which to consider how or why it might be beneficial.

[eileenrose]

Acupuncture....wonderful anytime. but I use for acute conditions....like when I couldn't leave my house and had endless headaches vomiting from smart meters....5 treatments and the severe symptoms vanished
Could you "explain" acupuncture to someone who has not used it, and has only recently been taking a peep outside the Western medical models (conventional for many years, then alternative in the manner of Weston Price, Russell Blaylock, Mike Adams or Joseph Mercola)? My good son recommended it to me, and I have my first appointment in a few weeks ... but I have no conceptual model by which to consider how or why it might be beneficial.

Well, I only attended 5 weeks of acupuncture classes (5 branches). The teachers/course of study wasn't very well thought out (too much state inteference...)...I managed to pick up needling techniques (and one herbal) in that time. I measure a class by how much I learn each day, not by what people expect to make from getting a license when they get out (of school)...which seems to be where people put their attention (into certificates...rather than learning material).

How it works....is complicated.

How about an example instead:
I had chest pain, vomiting and headaches (they stuck two smart meters on my house). She put needles (very very tiny and they usually arn't painful...if they are too much, just switch to accupressure instead....similar...doesn't work quite the same...but better than nothing), one in my chest, above my heart (which immediately calmed my heart right down), two in my head (those points feel great when needled) and so on . Usually they might stick a couple in your abdomen, arms, legs and even feet/hands (lots of points there).

The needles stimulate a system of meridians or layer of cells that communicate with the 'opposite to the point' organ (organs are internally matched...each organ has an opposite...so one yin organ to one yang organ).

So, to heal up the stomach, you treat the spleen points. Tickling the spleen with energy (yang in this instance, sometimes yin??...just guessing right now) excites it and it starts to work extra hard, which triggers the stomach to do something (in reply). It has to 'match' this new energy, and it will do it by 'healing' or 'releasing' or whatever it needs to do.

I am clear I just did an awful job of explaining this. oh well....I'm not an accupuncturist. I just enjoy the results of it.

[ThePythonicCow]

I just enjoy the results of it.:) Thanks for taking a stab at it :cow:

I've heard occasional mention before of such meridians. Right now meridians on long list of things that "maybe I'll really understand someday if they are and what they are, or maybe I won't."

[eileenrose]

Well here are two pages on acupuncture (which make sense to me....but if you havn't studied it....probably won't)

How does accupuncture work?
http://www.holisticonline.com/Acupuncture/acp_how_works.htm

The invisible pathways of qi (meridians)
http://www.holisticonline.com/Acupuncture/acp_meridians.htm

doesn't hurt to learn (but doesn't change the outcome...ie. your treatment...knowing this stuff Paul...just fun (for me) to read about)

[conk]

I just enjoy the results of it.:) Thanks for taking a stab at it :cow:

I've heard occasional mention before of such meridians. Right now meridians on long list of things that "maybe I'll really understand someday if they are and what they are, or maybe I won't."I can't remember which of my books has it, but recently researchers believe they have actually photographed a meridian. The meridians follow our connective facia thoughout the body. Energy flows through these channels to all parts of the body. Emotional scarring (yet more, but different energy/vibrations) can block the proper flow of this chi/prana/life. Accupuncture and accupressure can unblock the pathways and allow healing, and normalcy. Simplistic view, but close I think.

[eileenrose]

I just enjoy the results of it.:) Thanks for taking a stab at it :cow:

I've heard occasional mention before of such meridians. Right now meridians on long list of things that "maybe I'll really understand someday if they are and what they are, or maybe I won't."I can't remember which of my books has it, but recently researchers believe they have actually photographed a meridian. The meridians follow our connective facia thoughout the body. Energy flows through these channels to all parts of the body. Emotional scarring (yet more, but different energy/vibrations) can block the proper flow of this chi/prana/life. Accupuncture and accupressure can unblock the pathways and allow healing, and normalcy. Simplistic view, but close I think.

I've always thought it even more effective, needling, (than simply unblocking qi)...because each organ has it's opposite. And this duality works. Because, (and I am guessing...or lets say I am using the little I have inferred), if one organ is well, and you treat that organ (the well one), it fully responds to you (it isn't weak),..ie. responds to needling.

As this organ is fully healthy, it rejects the input of energy (derived from needling, increased qi, blood flow, etc.) and puts out this energy to the next system it is associated with, which would be the organ the body has matched it too. So this organ, say your spleen (as is always the case), now gets an in-direct flow of energy, from an healthy organ. So, in one way, it adapts to this new frequency (of healing). And the only point you actually needled, was on a stomach meridian.

It, therefore, tries to heal itself utilizing the map (of healthy frequencies...remember...everything has a frequency......

....Example: There is a frequency for an orange and in one experiment, a researcher actually convinces people that it is a real orange in the box where they have put their hand, but there isn't....he is using a machine to produce the frequency of an Orange...very interesting and illuminating experiment)...of what 'healthy' looks like, in order to heal.

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too confusing??

I tried.

[The Truth Is In There]

My perception of the matter is that the natural health movement is growing my leaps and bounds and more people are using herbs and vitamins and minerals and whole foods and other alternative means than ever before. I 've been into this for over 35 years now and I can see a huge growth in awareness. .. and the stats for sales of natural products prove it out, in the billions of dollars annually, with growth each year, and of course there are more natropathic doctors than ever before, and it is legal practice where once it was not and I can remember the day when finding a healthfood store was almost impossible unless you lived in a big city... and organic was an unknown word. No organic agriculture grows annually.

And then aside from naturopaths the classical Homeopath has been ressurected from being nearly dead. There are many homepaths now.

I forget the exact numbers but naturoapthic practice is licensed and available in maybe 14 states now with about 7 states pending in the legislation. 35 or 40 years ago, really there was nothing... and of course all these docs use herbs and so many different types of alternative medicine.

So really the impingement by the FDA is only a backlash against the growing will of the people... it is the wreathing of the death throws of conventional medicine. Integrated medicine will come to rule... just give it some more time.

it's only natural that the alternative health sector should be growing. the pendle swings to both sides - the sicker people get thanks to drugs and conventional doctors the more of them start looking to alternative health practitioners to get healthy again.

what we see now is just another view of the natural selection process. who would have thought 20 or 30 years ago that we're going to see such a tremendous amount of sick people, especially children, at the beginning of the 21st century when medicine should actually be more advanced than ever before in the known history of mankind?

few people are aware of the depopulation agenda and even fewer are aware of that fact that it's already being implemented or running in full force, depending on which sector one is looking at. if nothing extraordinary happens in the next few years such as a global natural depopulation we're going to witness an absolute epidemic of sick people with an impossible variety of ailments that will all be based on wrong nutrition and/or massive exposure to environmental toxins. the few people who will remain unaffected are those who are aware of what's going on and take care to avoid all these kinds of biological and chemical contaminants.

[Lifebringer]

Any relation to "German Chancellor Angela Merkyl, Adolph's daughter. I can't seem to stomach that trust when i suffered from the H Pylori and fired a doctor when I read about the symptoms, demanded a test after suffering the worst 1st vacation in my life in bed and bleeding from the butt. The test proved positive and antibiotics prescribed, but I lost trust in her, and took GARLIC, Vinegar, and Honey/baking soda solution to balance body, build immune system up and remove the toxic cells that can cause the cancers. I've been a smoker for over 40 years, but I think the limits over time of tobacco can be harmful, if you don't know the knowledge to rebalance the blood cells, organ tissues, and strengthen immune against these pesky bugs, I can still enjoy a cigarette, since I'm a monster w/out them these days. Withdrawal from the Demon tobacco can be harmful to those around you, because of the abundance of negativity as you detox.

[Lifebringer]

you have the cesspool necessary to create cancer as the microbes turn virulent and damage surrounding tissues that they dwell in.


Exactomundo!
The reason why they call it the big "C" so many different ways to destroy tissue and cells, is a major way to infect the public with auto immune drugs by pharma to profit for as long as the body will hold out. They have known for a very long time that over the course of decades the weakening of the body's defense system, will allow for the most dangerous of virus, bacteria, and even a mosquito bite and allegies.

Natural is better and "dandelion green leaves" detoxify the body. We AA also know of "polk salad" which grows abundantly in anyone's yard and can rid the body of toxins in poisonous meat that used to be served or sold to us back in the day.


They called our old medicine women witches, when all they did was use herbs. They stood on a ceremonial because they were thankful for the knowledge of ancestors passed down that taught them the use.

Amazing that the Oriental, Middle Eastern, and Indonesians kept their natural herbal remedies through the years, and don't rely on profit/pharma corporations to call the shots on human life.

Back to NATURE, is BACK TO THE FUTURE IN HEALTH.

[Arrowwind]

[few people are aware of the depopulation agenda and even fewer are aware of that fact that it's already being implemented or running in full force, depending on which sector one is looking at. if nothing extraordinary happens in the next few years such as a global natural depopulation we're going to witness an absolute epidemic of sick people with an impossible variety of ailments that will all be based on wrong nutrition and/or massive exposure to environmental toxins. the few people who will remain unaffected are those who are aware of what's going on and take care to avoid all these kinds of biological and chemical contaminants.

When I think of things like this I am always reminded that if it were not for modern medicine I would have been dead several times over already... and I mean this most seriously.

I dont know how cut and dry things will get on who gets to survive, but it seems to me that those who do survive will either be stronger genetically to cope with the changed world or stronger due to more active intelligence...in other words, they have assessed the situation and they have taken the actions necessary to keep healthy and to stay alive and to reproduce. I am convinced that people who do this kind of survival behavior are different in some way... and they certainly are not the type of folks that can be silenced nor controlled, at least not without extreme measures.... and this propensity for independence and free thinking may get passed on to the coming generations

[Arrowwind]

Then if those don't work (or I don't have time to let them work), I visit my Naturopath (he has an excellent Medical background), my own doctors (I keep different specialist handy) or my local ER (for those vomiting episodes/from the stomach cancers/ill-ness that I can't control). And If needed, I take their meds (until I have a better alternative).

Dr Simoncini says that stomach cancer can be cured in a few weeks if it is not too deeply imbedded into the tissues by simply taking Baking Soda orally. you will find the protocol on this page. To this I would add drinking lots of ozone water.

In Vern's story of curing advanced stage IV prostate cancer he cured mets to the bone and lymph with baking soda... so...

you can find your way to read the protocol on this page:

http://www.curenaturalicancro.com/

and cannabis will cure almost all cancers is my understanding if you make cannabis oil. Smoking or tea will not do it. Search Rick Simpsons oil on youtube

[witchy1]

Thioridazine kills cancer stem cells in human while avoiding toxic side-effects of conventional cancer treatments - May 24th 2012

The unusual aspect of our finding is the way this human-ready drug actually kills cancer stem cells; by changing them into cells that are non-cancerous,"

http://medicalxpress.com/news/2012-05-thioridazine-cancer-stem-cells-human.html

Wonder how long before the pharma's bury this one?

[Arrowwind]

the only problem with that is you have to take thirodazine.... :loco:

Not to be confused with thorizine.
Thioridazinehttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0f/Thioridazin_Enantiomers_Structural_Formulae_V.1.svg/250px-Thioridazin_Enantiomers_Structural_Formulae_V.1.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Thioridazin_Enantiomers_Structural_Formulae_V.1.svg)http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/91/Thioridazine3d.png/250px-Thioridazine3d.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Thioridazine3d.png)Systematic name10-{2-[(RS)-1-Methylpiperidin-2-yl]ethyl}-



Thioridazine (Mellaril, Novoridazine, Thioril) is a piperidine typical (but see next paragraph, below) antipsychotic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antipsychotic) drug (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychoactive_drug) belonging to the phenothiazine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenothiazine) drug group and was previously widely used in the treatment of schizophrenia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizophrenia) and psychosis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychosis). Due to concerns about cardiotoxicity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardiotoxicity) and retinopathy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retinopathy) at high doses this drug is not commonly prescribed, reserved for patients who have failed to respond to, or have contraindications (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contraindication) for, more widely used antipsychotics. A serious side effect is the potentially fatal neuroleptic malignant syndrome (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroleptic_malignant_syndrome). It exerts its actions through a central adrenergic-blocking, a dopamine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dopamine)-blocking, and minor anticholinergic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anticholinergic) activity.
In older references, it is sometimes described as atypical (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atypical_antipsychotic),[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thioridazine#cite_note-pmid6540455-0) but more recently it is usually described as typical (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typical_antipsychotics),[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thioridazine#cite_note-pmid11850147-1) with the term "atypical" usually reserved for agents showing D4 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dopamine_receptor_D4) selectivity or serotonin antagonism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serotonin_antagonist).