Tell us all what you believe.

[aranuk]

I heard an audio that Jorr posted the other day there, which was in three parts. The three men were discussing the subject of psychopaths and they all seemed to agree Archons like psychopaths. That at least were their opinions. I am a very patient person and to prove it I played competitive chess for 30 years, each game lasting sometimes three hours. Anyway that's why I had the patience to listen to it for nearly four hours. I have never checked out Archons yet but I will after I have posted this. I joined this forum in March 2011 after I had watched all the videos on Camelot. Prior to watching Camelot I had not read or heard of anything like I was hearing on the Camelot videos. So up till that point my knowledge consisted of Astrology, Spirituality, Metaphysics, Politics and not to mention my experience in Building Science. I ran my own building business for 35 yrs.

Anyway these three guys dissed everything we discuss here and ridiculed, Fulford, Wilcock, they meant Drake as well but not by name, and Brockbrader. Every channeler that ever lived or will live in the future they ridiculed. They obviously listen to the videos of these people otherwise why should they mention them. They trashed people who listen to them as if they were all gaga. They more or less made out that we all here on this forum need our brains looked at. If they were indeed trying to get recruits from the alt media they went the wrong way about it, insulting peoples intelligence.

There are a number of people on this forum too who ridicule others who believe certain people or theories. We almost NEVER hear what they DO believe.

Can I ask you to post what you DO believe in these matters? Please don't say you don't believe anything. Everyone believes something.

I am trying to find what is the lowest common denominator here on this forum.

I believe the following:

There is a powerful elite that run the planet. They may or may not have ET/ED help.
They are in control of most advanced country's political systems. Most of all the other ones too.
They prevent honest politicians (in my view there are not many) from taking office and only allow the corrupt villains to take high office.
Their methods are corruption of all kinds, no need to mention them all here.
They TPTB (notice that I didn't say TPTW) I will believe that when I see it. And when I do I will be so happy.
They use chem trails to poison us.
They are trying to get the population of the planet down to 500 million.
Religions have been keeping the people misinformed for thousands of years. That has to be stopped.
ET/ED's I still have not made up my mind, however, going what a lot of people say on the Camelot interviews I must say it looks pretty certain they are around.
UFO's Although I have never seen any, there are far too many sightings all over the world, to be a hoax.
Alternative medicine I go along with.
Contactees: I don't know. Nice stories. However there are many reports of contactees under hypnosis that seems to verify it all. I believe there is truth in a lot of the cases.
Channelling: I did it with 16 childrens stories 14 yrs ago. Why not other people. I'm sure there are imposters.
All the Camelot whistleblowers I tend to believe until I know they are lying. There again some of them may be telling 90% the truth and elaborating a wee bit of lies here and there to make the story easier to believe.

If you are going to post here, please post what you believe to be so. This way we can get an idea where we all agree. Then and only then will we be able to discuss where we want to go from there in trying to improve this earth.
Please don't start arguing about what anyone says here. State what you do believe.

Stan

[RMorgan]

Hey Stan,

I´ll post my notes and beliefs in bold letters.

There is a powerful elite that run the planet. They may or may not have ET/ED help.

Agreed, except with the ET/ED part. I think we have screwed our planet all by ourselves.

They are in control of most advanced country's political systems. Most of all the other ones too.

Agreed 100%. A small group of homo sapiens sapiens controls the whole world.

They prevent honest politicians (in my view there are not many) from taking office and only allow the corrupt villains to take high office.Their methods are corruption of all kinds, no need to mention them all here.

Agreed 100%. Honest politicians just can´t do their work if they don´t make alliances with the bad ones.

They use chem trails to poison us.

Agreed 100%. Not only chemtrails but our food and water is also poisoned.We are also polluting the air, rivers and oceans, all by ourselves.

They are trying to get the population of the planet down to 500 million.

I´m not sure about that. If they wanted to reduce the population, they wouldn´t have sponsored so many advances in medicine that allow us to live longer than ever.

Religions have been keeping the people misinformed for thousands of years. That has to be stopped.

Agreed 100%. Religions are made to keep people docile and under control.

ET/ED's I still have not made up my mind, however, going what a lot of people say on the Camelot interviews I must say it looks pretty certain they are around.
UFO's Although I have never seen any, there are far too many sightings all over the world, to be a hoax.

ETs/EDs are probably here, at least if I consider that my own eyes are accurate and reliable, because I´ve seen some weird stuff.

Alternative medicine I go along with.

Some alternative medicines work. Some others are a scam.

Contactees: I don't know. Nice stories. However there are many reports of contactees under hypnosis that seems to verify it all. I believe there is truth in a lot of the cases.

I believe in contactees (but not all of them, of course), strictly on personal level. A lot of my friends have seen UFOs and one of them saw one alien being in person. I´ve seen only what I consider to be EDs.

Channelling: I did it with 16 childrens stories 14 yrs ago. Why not other people. I'm sure there are imposters.
All the Camelot whistleblowers I tend to believe until I know they are lying. There again some of them may be telling 90% the truth and elaborating a wee bit of lies here and there to make the story easier to believe.

I don´t believe for a second in channeling, at least the kind we´re used to see here. I think these folks are either delusional, schizophrenics, plain liars or have been manipulated by some kind of psy-ops

I also believe the alternative media is not that "alternative". I believe it´s just another face of the same coin, since the internet is not free as we think. The internet is actually owned by TPTB.

They own all internet companies, all huge servers and control the way all information flows on the internet.

I believe the alternative media itself might have been transformed into some sort of huge psy-ops, and it´s fully compromised. It´s been used just like religion, to keep people docile and calm, while the world is an inch away from chaos.

Also, I believe the current system will collapse and the world will live in complete chaos after that.

Then, after a while, people will supplicate for leadership and the NWO will offer a new, but much worse, "improved" version of the old system.

Most people will "learn" to love this system, because they will have to choose to live in a completely chaotic parallel society or to join the organized, and much "safer", dictatorial system.

So, most people will join the NWO by choice.

Other people who resist will be called terrorists and then be hunted down like animals; the other part of people, who joined the NWO, will actually support the hunt, since they will quickly be brainwashed to think the others are actually real "terrorists".

Then, it starts all over again, just under different rules and circumstances.

Two thousand years later (more or less), the NWO system also will collapse, and you know the rest of the story...

It´s the same old game of the rise and fall of empires...

Cheers,

Raf.

[aranuk]

Thank you Raf. You said it like I asked. We more or less agree, don't we?

Stan

[RMorgan]

Thank you Raf. You said it like I asked. We more or less agree, don't we?

Stan

Hey Stan,

I guess we agree 90%. :)

Thanks for the nice thread!

Cheers,

Raf.

[Prodigal Son]

I believe in apotheosis. The God above Gods was lonely and wanted peers to share unconditional love. The only way to do that was to split off a part of him/herself and let those entities learn through experience what it was like to be God. Each and every galaxy is a sentient being and is evolving back towards the Source. Only a small percentage of those star systems are at the "free will" level but ours is definitely one of them. Rather than being an insignificant speck of dust in some far flung corner of the universe, many eyes are intently focused on the Earth as an integral part of the evolution of the galaxy and each and every one of us has come here in an attempt to fulfill an agreed-upon assignment in the overall process. It's taking billions of years but the end result is guaranteed. The Powers That Be, as evil as they are, provide the resistance to the principles of Love and Compassion. In other words, they are unwittingly playing a vital role in the apotheosis of mankind. They must and will be defeated, it is just a question of how long it will take and by what means.

No suffering is in vain. Everything is being recorded on the Akashic Record and is being entered into the Great Library of Knowledge and Wisdom.

[seko]

I believe that eating fruit, veggies, seeds and nuts you will avoid getting sick and live a healthier life and in balance with nature and cheaper.

Developing our pshychic abilities will help us remember who we are and knowing what are we doing here.

Learning about our body, our chi energy and medicinal plants to avoid doctors, hospitals and dangerous drugs.

ET and ID entities are here to stay and so do we. They got the guns but we are the numbers. Stand up your ground. No fear.

Politics is over rated. Small communities looking after themselves, small round table for decisions and avoid governments.

Knowledge for everyone. No re-ligions.

Respect each other and we will get peace.

[RUSirius]

Stan, I agree with 90% of what you believe, Raf, I only disagree about the next 2000 years with the NWO, however I never thought of it like that, and acknowledge that scenario as a possibility.

[ghostrider]

brilliant words aranuk , one can only tell from their own perspective, others may not agree , but it's still one persons perspective. we must allow the individual the see from their own eyes and make up their own mind without the weight of judgement on them . the ptb want to reduce the population to 500 million by chemtrails, wars, disease, famine ,doctors, judges anything that helps their agenda. religion is distorted history, information is sanitized. everyone is under a form of mind control . the ptb have us looking to space for ET's while ET's walk among us , the lights in the sky are a distraction to keep us looking out there instead of looking inward... humans were brought to earth over 300,000 years ago in the moon . different races were brought from different star systems , first stop was mars , then on to earth . this is what I basically believe. my perception of the world. everything is controlled . it is a giant matrix , a prison built for your mind.

[Dennis Leahy]

Credo:

:~)

I believe in compassion, and suspect that it is the most powerful force created within us or flowing through us (even though "gratitude" supposedly produces measurable force that extends further, physically.)

I believe in oneness, that the Universe is only divided up into discrete pieces by illusion (I think Buddhists got that right.) "Individual" humans are like leaves on trees in a Quaking Aspen stand.

I believe that compassion is the key to break down all walls of fear and of separateness, the way to reconnect humanity in a state far above competitive separateness and yet not quite oneness (separate identities but in loving, accepting, embrace.)

Having been out of my body (just once), I resonate with the material of Dr. Michael Newton and believe in reincarnation (without yet having memories to 'prove' it to myself.)

Though I don't discount the possibility that humans were "seeded" or "enhanced" by other extraterrestrial life forms, I have never (knowingly) met a critter from another world, and until I do, "interactive extraterrestrial" will be theoretical. I do suspect we are being observed by extraterrestrials - we are too dynamic, wild, and crazy to ignore. We are probably a favorite zoo critter to some extraterrestrial species.

I do not believe mankind is controlled by extraterrestrials (even if there is a faction of humans working with a malevolent group of extraterrestrials.)

I believe we are programmed; some is accidental (generational hand-me-down), and some is deliberate (by TPTB - and that includes everything from ancient religions to modern advertising to deliberate fear programming for herding.)

I believe there is already a very powerful world-wide "secret government" (more like the Mafia than a government entity), that has existed for many years, probably hundreds. I think the "New World Order" is the same group boldly stepping from the shadows and flatly telling us that "we own the planet and all of humanity - get over it." I believe that by virtue of the holdings they have (monetary, land, resources, and world-wide banking) that they can control the necessary 100,000 people they need to do their bidding, that, in turn, control 7 billion. Some of them may actually believe in satanism/lucifarianism and may do depraved acts including sacrifice, and of that group, some of them may believe that it increases their power - but it does not. Their power is primarily the power of inheritance of wealth and of continual control (by everything from simple greed to blackmail to murder of the 100,000 they control.)

I believe that the USA is the current viper's nest for the Global Rulers, and that controlling the greatest military force in history and having set up the financial paradigm through the Federal Reserve (and now also World Bank and IMF) are the major reasons for using the US as 'home base', even though these individuals do not see themselves as "belonging to" any country - they see themselves as Global Rulers.

I believe that we are being poisoned in every possible way (air, water, soil, food, emotionally, education, religion) to keep us docile and programmable and compliant. I believe they could create a virus, inoculate themselves, spread the virus and kill most of us - and they have not. So far, at least. That probably means that they need us as low-level workers, as sex toys, as entertainers, and as curiosities.

I believe that 9/11 was an extremely arrogant slap in our faces, showing those among us that are half-awake just how deeply asleep the rest are.

I believe we just had one good shot (The Reset Button*) at taking away the Global Rulers' power, at least the power-base of control of the USA, and that it failed to materialize. I believe it failed because we US citizens have become shattered and splintered far beyond the wildest dreams of the Global Rulers, of merely polarizing us. Every activist stubbornly pounds on a specific brick in the caste wall or just screams at the castle. We have no unity as a block of citizens - we are more like 32 million tribes with 10 in a tribe. We have no chance whatsoever of opposing the will of the Global Rulers' US facade - no one even has a clue how to stop them.
*If that sounds arrogant, remember I didn't "write" it, I synthesized it.

I believe that because US citizens failed to disrupt the Global Rulers US operations in 2012, that the Global Rulers are poised to plunge the planet into a global depression, using the giant derivatives bubble.

I believe that not one of us will be sitting in front of a computer typing what we believe in 6 months. I suspect that now, they are simply waiting for something to align, which could be something as "silly" as waiting for the sun to align with a pyramid or a specific date, or waiting for GHW Bush's Viagra to kick-in. I believe that when the economic tsunami hits, it will make no difference if we were among those that saw it coming, those that finally saw it on the horizon, or the last man floating. I believe the wealth accumulation via our shakedown will be the financial reward to the 100,000 minions of the Global Rulers (who don't need any more of anything except that they MUST have more power.) On an individual level, I have dreamed many times of giving away all I own, in order not to be burdened by ownership. I think it willl be hard, but much harder for others that are defined by and who love their property and their "stuff."

I believe that I reincarnated this time believing that I would have a chance to make a big, positive impact on humanity, and now have to recalibrate my life to just make some small positive impact - and that it makes my heart ache to know it. (Right now, I say I don't want to come back here for a long long time - maybe 1000 years.)

I believe that I probably sound very depressing, but I am more resigned than depressed. I believe that all of this lifetime is a cluster of lessons that I needed to learn, and that I'm not even close to being done learning in this lifetime yet.

Dennis

[markpierre]

I believe that beliefs are a pathology. That included.

[Carmody]

The core of the avatar's design, is that it must break before it can change, Dennis. The combination of fears, nightmare, solution, action and dream.

Oddly, the moment that the psyche/ego of humankind (individual and group) feels it has a hope, it hesitates, waits, backslides...and is, in that moment.... doomed to wait again.

Hope is necessary, but it is also borne (connectivity-but not solely) out of the body's desires and fears. Think of it more as a point of contemplation, this 'hope' thing. A thing that creates thought.... helps rumination, contemplation - 'be'.

As long as a body shapes the origins of thought, then hope as a failure -- is key to success.

It is but a moment of realization, but the origins of all fears/desires in the human system need be addressed, in order to get to that moment that makes it finally work. Where love and compassion are finally given their due, and integrate with the human body in an intensity that out weighs the other two. (fear/desire). when that happens, the view,and thus the input and output data system shift to this more correct orientation, of Love and Compassion.

Therefore, absolute, complete, total failure, with no way out, must be on your mind and in it... before the problems can be overcome.

Are any of you there yet?

[HORIZONS]

As far as this present world system is concerned, I believe that we are in a constant state of downfall - and in this present state we will never fix the things we need to.

As far as a spiritual state, I believe The true condition of all humanity is spiritual, "However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual." Spirit is the infinite truth of our individual being, but the earther, or natural man, is the one we see, hear, taste, touch, smell, and deal with on a day-to-day basis: This is the matrix we find ourselves living in. This earther matrix that we have is a finite concept we entertain in our understanding of this holographic universe, and this takes place in our minds because of our low viberational and spiritual condition. This matrix of our limited five physical senses is what we must rise out of – and this present paradigm of human living and understanding which we find ourselves immersed within must be transformed.

Spiritual consciousness on the other hand embodies all of the multi-verse but all that is manifested in our visible universe does not completely embody spiritual consciousness. All that the Infinite is I am but not all that I am is Infinite. Therefore, there is that element about me which is finite, and that aspect of me is limited in this 3D earther expression. This is the reason we feel the need to search out and to know the truth – that we might become free from the bondage of this corruptible state of being – this feeling that we have deep within us that this expression of life is wrong – that this is not the way it is supposed to be. So we search out knowledge of all sorts that we may know and understand the reasoning’s behind the veil that has been pulled down over our eyes, obstructing our view of our true reality, that we intuitively know and feel is out there somewhere, if we can only find it.

In this matrix of illusions the earther does not receive the benefits of spiritual consciousness – nor can we as such know them on the natural level of life – we are in a low viberational condition, under earther-consciousness, and the human being that is bound to this natural earth body is ruled by the mind of the flesh, and under its dark dominion.
For someone to say that the earther is Infinite or a god of some sort is a misconception. It is a self-centered lie that has contributed to the demise of man from the beginning of our present epoch: natural man thinking himself to be something that he is not, and trying to be that which only the Infinite is within him. The earther human is a naturally minded human being, born into this matrix and its conditions, and can only expect to see the laws of duality – of good and evil – in their experience. The person that has been re-birthed of the Spirit has become a spiritually minded being, no longer bound to the earther-consciousness and its duality. He/she should then expect to see the results of Spiritual Truth in operation as they become free of the conditioned mindsets that have been programmed within them as their understanding of reality and as their own unique individual expression of spiritual consciousness unfolds in their life experience. But this is not an automatic happening, and it must be sought out with much diligence and preservation. This is the ascension-life that many of us seek after – to realize and to experience – that we may move beyond the pale and into a new individual and collective life experience – a world transformed by spiritual consciousness.

We can ascend in this present life to that spiritual state which the Infinite has created us to be, and the PTB do not want you to know this and are doing everything in their power to interfere with your spiritual progress. The earther man is of the earth—earthy – and in this state we can only express that state of low viberational consciousness that is depicted by the status quo of the sleeping masses. This is the reason why most everything in our modern world has been designed to dumb us down and keep us in the low viberational expression we see ramped up today in every facet of society. The energy of this matrix is being manipulated at every level, and therefore it has become an extreme challenge to see through the illusions that are being presented to us – hence the need for us to cultivate our individual spiritual consciousness.

Looking for an external condition like a comet, a planet, an energy ribbon, a date on the calendar, the alignment of the stars, ET disclosure, the rapture or some other future ascension will not permanently take you out of this matrix, nor bring you into a higher level of spiritual consciousness and expression of life – this must be cultivated within your own state of individual consciousness and then made manifest in this world as your experience. External conditions may help to aid us in our spiritual evolution, but it is up to us as individuals to harness the energy of the Spirit and bring it into our collective experience and then to Balance the energies of this matrix and thereby bring about the change we desire into this world. We do this by “being the change we wish to see” through our individual spiritual unfoldment. What we believe is what we are in our life expression, and our present state of consciousness is made manifest as our material world. Within this matrix – this energy construct – in this holographic universe we have the ability to create and change the programming that we have been living/suffering under. It is up to us to change the way things are and into the way we desire them to be – but we must be willing to change and to learn and to grow into a higher modality of life and liberty in the human condition.

The higher viberational life-expression that mankind learns to live, have motion and have their being in, the higher their thoughts have become above this earther condition – beyond the 3D world and all its illusions – and their individual spiritual consciousness is the modus operandi that transforms their expression of reality into that which they behold. This individual of spiritual consciousness is the real you, the person after the image and likeness of the Infinite Itself, and this is who we truly are at our core being, but we can only enter into this spiritual reality by rebirth and renewal of the human condition.
~
Our consciousness determines our outward expression. Intellectual knowledge is not enough. Whatever degree of Truth we have absorbed in consciousness, it is that Truth that will govern our life!

Peace to you all!!

[bennycog]

i believe in the vibrations that maintain our existence and the energy that holds it together..
and i believe we are teaming with life that feed off of many different things to keep them in there place of existence..
i beleive in trying to be as good as you can be without being gullible is essential for us..
and i believe we forever live on through our kin and throught the universe..

[jorr lundstrom]

I believe that beliefs are a pathology. That included.

Beliefs are a very pure substitute for knowing.


All is well


Jorr

[aranuk]

Thanks to all above! I am a wee bit tired now I must sleep. I will return tomorrow and make comments to all WTGOGGI.

Stan

[markpierre]

I believe that beliefs are a pathology. That included.

Beliefs are a very pure substitute for knowing.


All is well


Jorr

'Pale' did you say? There is no substitute for knowing, just 'not' knowing.

Added: Oops...I fully 'believe' that.

Crazy, I know.

[GoingOn]

If you are going to post here, please post what you believe to be so. This way we can get an idea where we all agree. Then and only then will we be able to discuss where we want to go from there in trying to improve this earth.
Please don't start arguing about what anyone says here. State what you do believe.

Stan

I believe anything I think could be wrong. I don't think every thought I have is worthy of extensive evaluation.

I also believe:
- this is all a ride,
- I am consciousness in a body having experiences,
- I joined PA to participate in changing experiences on Earth.

Thank you for the opportunity to state my beliefs, Stan.

[RedeZra]

There is a powerful elite that run the planet. They may or may not have ET/ED help.

Yupp perhaps Nephilim bloodline and so in league with archons or demons


They are in control of most advanced country's political systems. Most of all the other ones too.

Yupp they see humanity as serfs or slaves


They prevent honest politicians (in my view there are not many) from taking office and only allow the corrupt villains to take high office.

Yupp obey or die


They use chem trails to poison us.

Yupp chem trails with multipurpose like maybe hiding planet x


They are trying to get the population of the planet down to 500 million.

Yupp or 2 billion max


Religions have been keeping the people misinformed for thousands of years. That has to be stopped.

Yupp except Judaism and Christianity which has been somewhat compromised and subverted but God and the Bible are both preserved


ET/ED's I still have not made up my mind, however, going what a lot of people say on the Camelot interviews I must say it looks pretty certain they are around.
UFO's Although I have never seen any, there are far too many sightings all over the world, to be a hoax.

Yupp real deal astral manifestations but some are probably made here on earth too


Contactees: I don't know. Nice stories. However there are many reports of contactees under hypnosis that seems to verify it all. I believe there is truth in a lot of the cases.

Yupp contacts occur from both astral archons or demons and black ops


Channelling: I did it with 16 childrens stories 14 yrs ago. Why not other people. I'm sure there are imposters.

Yupp channeling occurs from both astral archons or demons and black ops




so imo the PTB are in league with archons or demons against humanity

[ViralSpiral]

http://www.moillusions.com/wp-content/uploads/photos1.blogger.com/blogger/5639/2020/400/Opt_taeuschung_groesse.jpg

Hard to believe that the three pairs of nuns are the same size.
In the same way, most of what we see is illusion.
Today I resonate with 90% of what you posted Stan, and I too believe that I will experience a different reality in 6 months time.

What I know for sure is [thanks Oprah http://www.millerfilm.com/spacelinks/wink_emoticon.bmp], that we are all vulnerable and yet underestimate our own power.
Looking for solutions and beliefs outside of ourselves, stunts us. Having access to information though, "teaches"us.
Discrepancies in perceptions is a human failing ... :)



Thank you for the thread.

[seantimberwolf]

Great thred

I belive that we all belong to nature, that this entire planet is a living entity, and we are throwing it out of control with our pollution.
But mostly just our negative attitude throws the planet out of sync.

There is no ONE god, but everything has a spirit and we should connect to that, we should realise humans are not THE MOST IMPORTANT thing on this earth, every thing has a right to be.
If you die because a Bear attacks you, so be it, you kept the chain alive that bear may of had cubs to feed, would you rather die a pointless death from a cancer caused by toxic foods made avaliable by our illustrious government, i know what i would choose.

I also belive humans need to abandon this current path we are on, none of our society works in unison with nature, it has to be scraped, cars, electronics, drugs, synthetic materials on our skin, it all has created a divide like none before, kids are now affraid of nature, some idiots even say things like "i dont do nature"

This may not be a popular notion but i do belive the earths population needs to be decreased, it is WAY to high and the earth could not support us if we returned to her, im not saying the inocent need to die, but there are enough evil and underevolved humans in this world to be rid of and leave the ones who can respect each other and nature.
Its just an unfortunate fact, (one delibratly created by TPTB) that we are over populated and nature no longer removes the weak as she should.

It may sound harsh but i belive it was all done for a reason to make us strong and true to ourselves, allowing every-single-person to live ever creates a imbalance amoung the earth, the whole universe must balance.


SeanTimberwolf

[Eram]

Hi Stan,

What a super topic you made here.
So interesting to know how other people believe and feel toward reality on earth.

* I believe that whatever we believe influences the reality we perceive and hence reality is impossible to capture.

* I believe in parallel worlds and that we shift in and out of different ones all the time.

* I believe that the mind is incapable to see the truth and so we are left wondering about it all the time.

I tried to find out the truth about the secret governments and the elites for some time and came to the conclusion that it's impossible to know exactly what and how.
And you know what? It's not all that important.
It's enough to know that there are forces at work that try to stop us from coming into the light and there are forces at work that try to enhance it. And so it is meant to be.
Without these two forces, existence would not be possible, because we should evolve back into the source the very moment we would be thrown into this universe. The forces of the dark act as a time device that enables us to experience the duality existence.

Illuminati, chemtrails, black Op's, Archons, Fluorided water, Monsanto, Mass arrests, Banking elites, underground bases, bases on Mars and the Moon, the health-care industry.....

Whatever may be true about those things.... I don't want to spend the rest of my life focussing on them.

* I believe that it's important to focus on everything that enhances consciousness and live our lives in peace and harmony, regardless of all the powers that exist and try to prevent that.

* I believe that everything I believe are just attempts to understand the creation and it is ever evolving. So every believe I have, may be incorrect and I try not to cling onto it.

[pugwash84]

I believe that I do not know everything and as soon as I am 100% knowing, that is when I have put myself in a box.

[Curt]

Me too.

Also, I believe we would do well to be incredibly flexible with what we 'believe' and always be willing to change beliefs given new information.

I also believe that insights and inspiration can come to or from anyone at any time because we all have 'access' to universal wisdom.

I believe this whole exercise is largely about trying to remain good to one another throughout the course of the 'game', regardless of what's thrown at us.

I believe that whatever monolithic evil people suppose there to be, if it does exist, is part of the same universe we're a part of.

I believe that arriving at consensus of 'what it's all about' isn't necessary or even desirable.

I believe that all of my beliefs are temporary stopgaps until more information and wisdom comes my way to replace them.






If you are going to post here, please post what you believe to be so. This way we can get an idea where we all agree. Then and only then will we be able to discuss where we want to go from there in trying to improve this earth.
Please don't start arguing about what anyone says here. State what you do believe.

Stan

I believe anything I think could be wrong. I don't think every thought I have is worthy of extensive evaluation.

I also believe:
- this is all a ride,
- I am consciousness in a body having experiences,
- I joined PA to participate in changing experiences on Earth.

Thank you for the opportunity to state my beliefs, Stan.

[eileenrose]

Here is my short list on this topic: "What I know (a tad more directed)..."

Aliens: Just one (race?) here (on the planet)....due to my own work/looking into it (what I've seen for myself). The rest of the supposed races might be fictional in nature (CIA creations to just mix us up....see how much they can lie to us about and get away with it ...sort of information)
Whistleblowers: Old ones, might be accurate, New ones, less so
God: No. Source (which is within us)
Atlantis: Near caribean
LeMuria: Might be under Hawaiian Islands....maybe Easter Island's new finds might shed some light on them....little evidence of its very in the past possible existence
Edgar Cayce: It worked (wasn't called channeling then...he had another name for it...will come to me)....for healing, and was slightly accurate (with future events predictions).
David Wilcock: Not the reincarnation of Edgar Cayce (just a feeling). Makes up a lot of stuff (want to be guru). Did enjoy his crop circle and other related works.
Kerry Cassidy and her forum: Under review (see other thread about her currently....issues with Former White Hat currently....and issues with current crop of whistleblowers)..
Channeling: Doesn't really work that well (seems to be under CIA direction....some of them/all the ?known ones on the internet.....time will sort this issue out)
Medium work: Seems to still work (less useful to the Powers that Be)
Hell: No such place (church creation to get us to pay them to keep us slaves)
Heaven: No such place (or this is it....we just don't know it)
Taxes: Slave contributions

[Swan]

At this moment -

I believe I always have the choice of fear or love.

I believe it is my responsability to have the courage to allow the fear to surface, and BE with it till it can be released.

I believe that by doing so the world heals a little.

I believe that even though I usually fail at this, that´s OK.

[meeradas]

Great threat.
[no typo]

[jorr lundstrom]

There is a powerful elite that run the planet. They may or may not have ET/ED help.

Yupp perhaps Nephilim bloodline and so in league with archons or demons


They are in control of most advanced country's political systems. Most of all the other ones too.

Yupp they see humanity as serfs or slaves


They prevent honest politicians (in my view there are not many) from taking office and only allow the corrupt villains to take high office.

Yupp obey or die


They use chem trails to poison us.

Yupp chem trails with multipurpose like maybe hiding planet x


They are trying to get the population of the planet down to 500 million.

Yupp or 2 billion max


Religions have been keeping the people misinformed for thousands of years. That has to be stopped.

Yupp except Judaism and Christianity which has been somewhat compromised and subverted but God and the Bible are both preserved


ET/ED's I still have not made up my mind, however, going what a lot of people say on the Camelot interviews I must say it looks pretty certain they are around.
UFO's Although I have never seen any, there are far too many sightings all over the world, to be a hoax.

Yupp real deal astral manifestations but some are probably made here on earth too


Contactees: I don't know. Nice stories. However there are many reports of contactees under hypnosis that seems to verify it all. I believe there is truth in a lot of the cases.

Yupp contacts occur from both astral archons or demons and black ops


Channelling: I did it with 16 childrens stories 14 yrs ago. Why not other people. I'm sure there are imposters.

Yupp channeling occurs from both astral archons or demons and black ops




so imo the PTB are in league with archons or demons against humanity


Congratulations, to your realizations. Excuse me for reading your post.

I sometimes do to see if anything new has happened. LOL


All is well


Jorr

[jorr lundstrom]

I believe that beliefs are a pathology. That included.

Beliefs are a very pure substitute for knowing.




All is well


Jorr

'Pale' did you say? There is no substitute for knowing, just 'not' knowing.

Added: Oops...I fully 'believe' that.

Crazy, I know.


Of course. LOL I know that, you know that.

But those who dont acess the intelligent space where

knowing dwells, dont have anything else than beliefs.

And of course everyone have the opportunity to

be in that space ( or actually realize that they already are there)

but seem to prefer to play the believe/ doubt game ie one

of the archontic favorite games. LOL


All is well


Jorr

[<8>]

I heard an audio that Jorr posted the other day there, which was in three parts. The three men were discussing the subject of psychopaths and they all seemed to agree Archons like psychopaths. That at least were their opinions. I am a very patient person and to prove it I played competitive chess for 30 years, each game lasting sometimes three hours. Anyway that's why I had the patience to listen to it for nearly four hours. I have never checked out Archons yet but I will after I have posted this. I joined this forum in March 2011 after I had watched all the videos on Camelot. Prior to watching Camelot I had not read or heard of anything like I was hearing on the Camelot videos. So up till that point my knowledge consisted of Astrology, Spirituality, Metaphysics, Politics and not to mention my experience in Building Science. I ran my own building business for 35 yrs.

Anyway these three guys dissed everything we discuss here and ridiculed, Fulford, Wilcock, they meant Drake as well but not by name, and Brockbrader. Every channeler that ever lived or will live in the future they ridiculed. They obviously listen to the videos of these people otherwise why should they mention them. They trashed people who listen to them as if they were all gaga. They more or less made out that we all here on this forum need our brains looked at. If they were indeed trying to get recruits from the alt media they went the wrong way about it, insulting peoples intelligence.

There are a number of people on this forum too who ridicule others who believe certain people or theories. We almost NEVER hear what they DO believe.

Can I ask you to post what you DO believe in these matters? Please don't say you don't believe anything. Everyone believes something.

I am trying to find what is the lowest common denominator here on this forum.

I believe the following:

There is a powerful elite that run the planet. They may or may not have ET/ED help.
They are in control of most advanced country's political systems. Most of all the other ones too.
They prevent honest politicians (in my view there are not many) from taking office and only allow the corrupt villains to take high office.
Their methods are corruption of all kinds, no need to mention them all here.
They TPTB (notice that I didn't say TPTW) I will believe that when I see it. And when I do I will be so happy.
They use chem trails to poison us.
They are trying to get the population of the planet down to 500 million.
Religions have been keeping the people misinformed for thousands of years. That has to be stopped.
ET/ED's I still have not made up my mind, however, going what a lot of people say on the Camelot interviews I must say it looks pretty certain they are around.
UFO's Although I have never seen any, there are far too many sightings all over the world, to be a hoax.
Alternative medicine I go along with.
Contactees: I don't know. Nice stories. However there are many reports of contactees under hypnosis that seems to verify it all. I believe there is truth in a lot of the cases.
Channelling: I did it with 16 childrens stories 14 yrs ago. Why not other people. I'm sure there are imposters.
All the Camelot whistleblowers I tend to believe until I know they are lying. There again some of them may be telling 90% the truth and elaborating a wee bit of lies here and there to make the story easier to believe.

If you are going to post here, please post what you believe to be so. This way we can get an idea where we all agree. Then and only then will we be able to discuss where we want to go from there in trying to improve this earth.
Please don't start arguing about what anyone says here. State what you do believe.

Stan











Hi and thanks Stan for an important subject,


I also believed the following:


There is a powerful elite that run the planet. They may or may not have ET/ED help.
They are in control of most advanced country's political systems. Most of all the other ones too.
They prevent honest politicians (in my view there are not many) from taking office and only allow the corrupt villains to take high office.
Their methods are corruption of all kinds, no need to mention them all here.
They TPTB (notice that I didn't say TPTW) I will believe that when I see it. And when I do I will be so happy.
They use chem trails to poison us.
They are trying to get the population of the planet down to 500 million.
Religions have been keeping the people misinformed for thousands of years. That has to be stopped.
ET/ED's I still have not made up my mind, however, going what a lot of people say on the Camelot interviews I must say it looks pretty certain they are around.
UFO's Although I have never seen any, there are far too many sightings all over the world, to be a hoax.
Alternative medicine I go along with.
Contactees: I don't know. Nice stories. However there are many reports of contactees under hypnosis that seems to verify it all. I believe there is truth in a lot of the cases.
Channelling: I did it with 16 childrens stories 14 yrs ago. Why not other people. I'm sure there are imposters.
All the Camelot whistleblowers I tend to believe until I know they are lying. There again some of them may be telling 90% the truth and elaborating a wee bit of lies here and there to make the story easier to believe.



Then a shift somehow happened, and NO I did not consume any new information or meet any new people or went along into a sekt.
I just felt fed up with all the stories on all the levels, there was an feeling, it's no point in anything, why should I gather more information.
Everything is ALL more or less the same story.


Can I ask you to post what you DO believe in these matters? Please don't say you don't believe anything. Everyone believes something.

I became aware of all conditioned information I had gathered throughout my life, this information comes as thoughts and emotions all the time.
But most people is unconscious about them, I could see how these unconscious thoughts and emotions, affected my whole life.

I saw how I labeled people that I met, even people I love.
If you reach for a glass of water and drink, you don't really reflect why you do that, you probably think I am thirsty, what's the big deal, right?
I am aware of the thought and emotion on everything my mind wants to do, yes, all the habits.

When you become aware how this affects your life, what you say,act,feel,label. If you become aware of this, you have a choice.
Act on all of them, or be quiet and observe what plays out in the mind.

I went quiet and started to observe, then I realized, if I are the one observing my mind, than, it's impossible for me to be the thing I observe.
How can I believe thoughts and emotions that I observing as they arise when they are there and when they are gone?

Stan, I don't believe in any story, because they are made up of thoughts and emotions. I am not the one I thought I was, and neither are you.
We are experience the greatest story of all right now, even though the water is warm or cold, I cry or laugh it's just an experience.


People die every day in what they believe, are you sure it's all real?

[jorr lundstrom]

I believe that I do not know everything and as soon as I am 100% knowing, that is when I have put myself in a box.

There you got the problem with believing. If you had spoken from

knowing, that statement had been impossible. LOL

The imagined believer is the one who creates the idea of a box.


All is well


Jorr

[ponda]

One possibility might be that everything is composed of different blends and forms of information,energetic forces and consciousness

My current perspective of what our 3d reality might be is that it could be a type of construct/matrix that has been overlaid over the top of the original natural creation by other dimensional negative entities so as to be able to farm the Loosh/energy that is created by 3d life forms here.There are also probably other aspects to the control of this area of space.

One could say that this has been allowed to happen by the bigger picture entities so as to provide a soul learning experience for incarnates here and other beings.

This matrix might be controlled by a diverse network of unseen higher dimensional psychic and energetic parasites,demonic entities etc and negative ET's,ED's that are themselves connected to and controlled by even higher dimensional inorganic entities(archons,demiurges,others etc} that might be very ancient and extremely large by our standards.The control over us might be done through the mind/ego in various different ways.

So it might be a farm and a school at the same time.

Everything might be cyclic and changing at various rates.

The bad guys might of had it their way for a long time but the big cosmic wheel keeps on turning and change might be coming imho.

cheers

[Bo Atkinson]

Stan, I believe in a high potential for agreement with you and others here, too.

Scanned down the page, wanting to bookmark it.

Wow, jorr your post let's me relax.

I would love to read all the rest with care.

I believe that perception is largely metaphor.
Metaphor is understood by view-angle-degrees (also called cone of vision in geometry).
That point of view is contextual or situational.

I came and saw Avalon as a compatible place to share feelings about it all.

Reading the OP stirred up my passion to see this all in chart form!

Thanks to all ;-)

~wav

[Curt]

I believe that perception is largely metaphor.
Metaphor is understood by view-angle-degrees (also called cone of vision in geometry).
That point of view is contextual or situational. ~wav

Yeah.... What he said!

:first:

[Fred Steeves]

Hi Stan, great thread my friend. Short and sweet, no belief here. I'm a tired, beaten down old soul who's just about done it all, both good and bad, and now it's simply time to start heading for home. It's late.

Cheers Mate,
Fred

[jorr lundstrom]

Aranuk wrote:


If you are going to post here, please post what you believe to be so. This way we can get an idea where we all agree. Then and only then will we be able to discuss where we want to go from there in trying to improve this earth.


I just have to comment on this one. No, I dont have to, youll have to

unmask wots crazy in this statement yourself. A little hint though.

If this had worked, why do you think we are in this mess? LOL

Once I pretended to be a believer, that one has gone back to source.

Just sayin


http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt81/sakasvattaja/pilgrim4.jpg


All is well


Jorr

[ulli]

I believe that everything is far too complex to be truly comprehended. Yet we are here to find out.
The more absurd something appears the closer I am to one of my breakthroughs,
and can then discover the next pattern and stunningly beautiful design.
As far as society goes...all over the planet people have formed groups and systems based on their historical myths,
and which are at odds with each other.
Myth makers are now at work bombarding humanity with options for a new paradigm that can put everyone on the same page. Globalization is inevitable.
All fear and hope scenarios are simply teaching tools, or herding instruments.
The main question is whether to trust the current myth makers. Are their intentions really evil? Or maybe they are as divided about their agenda as the rest of us?
The only true oneness is in God. Humanity is diverse, complex and fragmented but from the highest viewpoint we are all one.
What anyone perceives depends on the individual's clearance level.

[Debra]

Posted by aranuk (here)

If you are going to post here, please post what you believe to be so. This way we can get an idea where we all agree. Then and only then will we be able to discuss where we want to go from there in trying to improve this earth.
Please don't start arguing about what anyone says here. State what you do believe.

Stan

Hi Stan, I see already that people have gone off course already BUT that is also a compliment because this question of belief raises another set of issues - important as well - related to what is belief as distinct from knowing and from what is real.

Saying that, if you want to know about what I believe - then I guess it falls into what I hold to be true, what I keep thinking is true UNTIL that shifts into something else.

Right now? I believe:

- I am at a crossroads in my personal life (and I believe that the world is at one too);

- that love - in all of its dimensions - is still not understood and lived to its fullest ;

- for me anyway, to give and to receive love unconditionally is a rare and precious experience (and I believe that human beings generally struggle with this as well, rather than trust that unconditional love is nothing to fear);

- that *Gaia* our mother earth, is not getting much love either, yet she continues to give us as much as she has got;

- that communication between humans is largely still held by a mind virus that is not based in love (instead, held in a dis-functional program of communication that encourages a winners and losers paradigm, based in defense, fear and desire for power over the well being of others);

- that we, as a species, can still change who we are and how we relate to each other; with animals and other species, as well (our interrelations I believe will improve vastly when we come to understand and practice love at deep levels (to be conscious of every intention that sits behind each and every transfer of energy that comes from our being);

- also, I hold the belief (despite feeling defeated and confused at times) that we have lost nothing - that we have infinite power and that we are just awakening to this.

*Hugs* Zebra

[Vitalux]

I believe that for ever drop of rain that falls

http://www.myjane.ru/pics/00100312/Summer_Rain_1.jpg

a flower grows

[Carolin]

I believe that the universe is cyclical and that we take our little lives too seriously.

[Eagle Eye]

I believe that this will happen soon

[Carmody]

.... ... ...
It is but a moment of realization, but the origins of all fears/desires in the human system need be addressed, in order to get to that moment that makes it finally work. Where love and compassion are finally given their due, and integrate with the human body in an intensity that out weighs the other two. (fear/desire). when that happens, the view,and thus the input and output data system shift to this more correct orientation, of Love and Compassion.

Therefore, absolute, complete, total failure, with no way out, must be on your mind and in it... before the problems can be overcome.

Are any of you there yet?

This is what I mean:


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Who are you to complain
For lack of understanding?
We are all created equal
In just one thing alone

Alone in your thoughts that consume you through your life
They'll take you outwards to the dark edge of time
And there's nothing more dangerous
Than a man with nothing to lose
Nothing to live for
And nothing to prove

And that person, is many times..well..something like a Buddhist. they have cleared themselves, they do not fear, they know they have nothing to loose. They have nothing to prove, and they are done living, they are free.

And in that moment, they find everything.

[aranuk]

I believe that beliefs are a pathology. That included.

Beliefs are a very pure substitute for knowing.


All is well


Jorr

I agree Jorr, but when we don't know a guess is better than nothing.

Stan

[aranuk]

The core of the avatar's design, is that it must break before it can change, Dennis. The combination of fears, nightmare, solution, action and dream.

Oddly, the moment that the psyche/ego of humankind (individual and group) feels it has a hope, it hesitates, waits, backslides...and is, in that moment.... doomed to wait again.

Hope is necessary, but it is also borne (connectivity-but not solely) out of the body's desires and fears. Think of it more as a point of contemplation, this 'hope' thing. A thing that creates thought.... helps rumination, contemplation - 'be'.

As long as a body shapes the origins of thought, then hope as a failure -- is key to success.

It is but a moment of realization, but the origins of all fears/desires in the human system need be addressed, in order to get to that moment that makes it finally work. Where love and compassion are finally given their due, and integrate with the human body in an intensity that out weighs the other two. (fear/desire). when that happens, the view,and thus the input and output data system shift to this more correct orientation, of Love and Compassion.

Therefore, absolute, complete, total failure, with no way out, must be on your mind and in it... before the problems can be overcome.

Are any of you there yet?

Hi Carmody, are these your beliefs or are you stating an opinion here? I am unsure what they are. I was looking for peoples beliefs especially, the things we do NOT know but the things we believe.

Stan

[aranuk]

Hi Stan, great thread my friend. Short and sweet, no belief here. I'm a tired, beaten down old soul who's just about done it all, both good and bad, and now it's simply time to start heading for home. It's late.

Cheers Mate,
Fred

Hi Fred, so you don't have any beliefs then? I don't believe you.:p Now where does that leave me? Without a belief? No. I believe you are telling a lie. I am not saying you ARE telling a lie. I am saying I BELIEVE you are telling a lie.

Stan

[Fred Steeves]

Hi Stan, great thread my friend. Short and sweet, no belief here. I'm a tired, beaten down old soul who's just about done it all, both good and bad, and now it's simply time to start heading for home. It's late.

Cheers Mate,
Fred

Hi Fred, so you don't have any beliefs then? I don't believe you.:p Now where does that leave me? Without a belief? No. I believe you are telling a lie. I am not saying you ARE telling a lie. I am saying I BELIEVE you are telling a lie.

Stan

I believe you Stan...:p

[aranuk]

Aranuk wrote:


If you are going to post here, please post what you believe to be so. This way we can get an idea where we all agree. Then and only then will we be able to discuss where we want to go from there in trying to improve this earth.


I just have to comment on this one. No, I dont have to, youll have to

unmask wots crazy in this statement yourself. A little hint though.

If this had worked, why do you think we are in this mess? LOL

Once I pretended to be a believer, that one has gone back to source.

Just sayin


http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt81/sakasvattaja/pilgrim4.jpg


All is well


Jorr

Jorr with respect Sir, you have not stated anything at all about what you believe. This was the main idea of this thread. You say this world is in a mess but you contradict yourself by signing off with "All is well" You are also commenting on other peoples beliefs. That's not the idea here at all.

Stan

[aranuk]

I believe that the universe is cyclical and that we take our little lives too seriously.

Hi Carolin, is that all you believe? If so you must have a vast amount of knowledge.

Stan

[karelia]

There is a powerful elite that run the planet. They may or may not have ET/ED help.

I agree.


They are in control of most advanced countries' political systems. Most of all the other ones too.

I would say all known countries/states.


They prevent honest politicians (in my view there are not many) from taking office and only allow the corrupt villains to take high office.

Agreed. It takes either a huge ego (the majority of cases) or a true STO-orientation towards the best of one's nation to become a politician. Even if they start out with truly benevolent intentions, I'd say about 99.5% will be corrupted by the end of their first year in politics.


Their methods are corruption of all kinds, no need to mention them all here.

Corruption, deceit, lies...


They TPTB (notice that I didn't say TPTW) I will believe that when I see it. And when I do I will be so happy.

I trust the PTB are on their way out. The way I see it is that they were sent here as a tool for humanity. But somewhere on the way, they forgot it was a game, and they've been playing way too hard, so now it's time to put a stop to it, so to speak.


They use chem trails to poison us.

No doubt about that. Though I'm quite sure there is more to chemtrails. I forgot who it was, I think it was an interview Kerry did, who suggested that chemtrails actually act as a layer between the "rays" (for lack of better word) focused on humanity to increase consciousness. That makes absolute sense to me.


They are trying to get the population of the planet down to 500 million.

I don't know the number, but yes, they are working on reducing the population. Just look at "conventional" medicine and the food industry. They are doing a pretty good job reducing the numbers.


Religions have been keeping the people misinformed for thousands of years. That has to be stopped.

Word! The endless ritualising of every aspect of life has to be stopped as well. If you look not just at churches but schools, hospitals, even shopping, it's all about ritual, and most of it quite sinister.


ET/ED's I still have not made up my mind, however, going what a lot of people say on the Camelot interviews I must say it looks pretty certain they are around.

They exist; of that I have no doubt. Both negative and positive.


UFO's Although I have never seen any, there are far too many sightings all over the world, to be a hoax.

There are plenty of unidentified flying objects in the sky, so yes, they do exist. There are also vehicles used for galactic travels, I'm pretty sure they exist.


Alternative medicine I go along with.

I've learned over the years that a lot of ailments can be dissolved by diet as well as thought. I would use alternative medicine as a last resort, and conventional medicine is not something I would even remotely consider.


Contactees: I don't know. Nice stories. However there are many reports of contactees under hypnosis that seems to verify it all. I believe there is truth in a lot of the cases.

Unless I've dreamed it all and can't differentiate between dreams and reality, yes, contact with ETs is a very real thing, though I suspect that what we call ETs may not be all that extraterrestrial.


Channelling: I did it with 16 childrens stories 14 yrs ago. Why not other people. I'm sure there are imposters.

I think the vast majority of channeling goes wrong because either the being coming through is a negative entity or the channeler has subjective perception (which is absolutely normal for humans in this reality). So far, I think pretty much the only exceptions are the Seth Material (Jane Roberts) and the Ra material, and perhaps Barbara Marciniak.


All the Camelot whistleblowers I tend to believe until I know they are lying. There again some of them may be telling 90% the truth and elaborating a wee bit of lies here and there to make the story easier to believe.

In a world where everything is upside-down, I think it's very, very hard, if not impossible, to speak nothing but truth. Many whistleblowers, or even most, are probably convinced they tell the truth, even if it isn't the absolute truth or if the truth is interlaced with lies. So, yes, I agree with you there, too.

[aranuk]

:focus: Please.

Stan

[aranuk]

There is as Dr Carl Jung called a complex here. There is an absence here of certain people who usually make a lot of noise regarding other peoples beliefs. They most likely feel vulnerable if they divulge their beliefs, unlike most of us here.

Very interesting.

Stan

[ulli]

There is as Dr Carl Jung called a complex here. There is an absence here of certain people who usually make a lot of noise regarding other peoples beliefs. They most likely feel vulnerable if they divulge their beliefs, unlike most of us here.

Very interesting.

Stan

Clever Stan. And what a brilliant conclusion to a great thread.

[Sidney]

I believe chemtrails serve many purposes.

[Wind]

I believe in many things, but mostly in purpose. Everything happens for a reason. I believe that everything is going to change very soon.... For the better.

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[RMorgan]

There is as Dr Carl Jung called a complex here. There is an absence here of certain people who usually make a lot of noise regarding other peoples beliefs. They most likely feel vulnerable if they divulge their beliefs, unlike most of us here.

Very interesting.

Stan

Hey Stan,

I agree with you on this one.

However, it´s normal to get lost sometimes, specially relating to beliefs.

Everyone here is a little bit lost, otherwise, we wouldn´t be here, trying to find answers, trying to find what to believe.

Maybe some people aren´t posting their thoughts here because they simply don´t know what to believe. This is quite normal and understandable.

Frankly, I don´t give so much credit to my beliefs either...

I don´t actually fully believe in beliefs! :)

Cheers,

Raf.

[SilentFeathers]

Just by surfing through the many threads here in this forum one can get a good perspective on what many members/posters beliefs are. I'm sure just in the short time I've been posting on this forum a few have picked up on some of my beliefs......

We all leave a trail of something behind us :)

[gripreaper]

I believe that every aspect of the control matrix has been completely imbedded in our very nature and our very DNA down through the millennium of our many incarnations, and our five senses are constantly inundated with the mechanisms of control, in a very arrogant and unapologetic way nowadays, no longer in secret. I think of all the mechanisms of this matrix, religion and the bible has been and is the most pervasive and destructive of all of the systems.

The elite agenda, which many here have spoken of, is based in duality and all of the extreme polarities of that duality, as we collectively agreed to as souls to this 3D experience here, to come here and experience all of the polarized states of this duality so that we could know who we are, as aspects of the creator. In order to animate light fractals they must oscillate between these two polarities, so "good and evil" must both be present at this density in order to animate life.

Yet, once we realize that the matrix of duality and the experience of the 5 senses is complete and that the polarized negative state has been fed to us by the elite controllers, and the whole thing is one big friggin lie, how do we live in this density knowing that the negative polarity of this IS NOT all there is and that the positive aspects must bring this reality into balance.

It is this balance which we must view from a larger perspective, standing back from the canvas and seeing the bigger picture, from the experience not just through the five senses, but in addition our clairevoyant, clairesentient, and claireaudient senses, as well as the higher Siddhis of bilocation, remote viewing, levitation, etc. These are the abilities of our inheritance as gods, which have been summarily suppressed by the elite, and is our next step in the human evolution to return to source, and awaken to these higher senses and powers, and become who we truly are.

So, enlightenment and ascension, in my belief, is the ability to hold the fulness of the electromagnetic light spectrum in the body, and to evolve from carbon based low density beings trapped in this matrix, into crystalline light beings holding the fulness of light (enlightenment) IN OUR BODIES right here on this earth, moment to moment.

This is a conscious effort, to not ingest any of the toxic poisons in our air, food, and water, and to take up a spiritual practice which moves the brain from is slow beta state to the delta trance state, where being stuck in Samsara changes to the state of Samadhi.

{edit} by the way, thanks for this thread Stan. After looking at the matrix for so long and what is wrong, it's refreshing to get down to what we all believe and how that is part of our manifestation going forward.

[aranuk]

There is as Dr Carl Jung called a complex here. There is an absence here of certain people who usually make a lot of noise regarding other peoples beliefs. They most likely feel vulnerable if they divulge their beliefs, unlike most of us here.

Very interesting.

Stan

Hey Stan,

I agree with you on this one.

However, it´s normal to get lost sometimes, specially relating to beliefs.

Everyone here is a little bit lost, otherwise, we wouldn´t be here, trying to find answers, trying to find what to believe.

Maybe some people aren´t posting their thoughts here because they simply don´t know what to believe. This is quite normal and understandable.

Frankly, I don´t give so much credit to my beliefs either...

I don´t actually fully believe in beliefs! :)

Cheers,

Raf.

Yes Raf. You say you don't fully believe in beliefs. I know I have beliefs. I also know that my beliefs are a substitute for knowing too. Some people mistake their beliefs as truths. They may of course be the truth which they are or they are not.
I will stop myself here as I am losing my way in semantics.

Stan

[Peace of Mind]

I believe everyday humans are becoming more aware of themselves, the lies, and our collective problems...therefore, it is in my belief that we will eventually overcome any and all issues. Most of our problems stems from trust. As we begin to realize this... we begin to open ourselves up more to each other (as you can see).

I believe we (humanity) will be O.K...after all, our issues are a result of our blind intentions. We can remedy this easy and save ourselves....I'm witnessing the times of us choosing to stay sick and/or commit suicide dwindling.

Peace

[mountain_jim]

Well this thread has certainly stimulated my thought process today, and I appreciate all the contributions and effort it took to write them...

I point to a quote in my sig as how I try to relate to beliefs:



I don't believe anything, but I have many suspicions. - Robert Anton Wilson


but of course I don't fully succeed at maintaining that position.

I want to highlight here an area of 'belief' that I did not have up until recently, but contributions here and research elsewhere have lead me to give credence to the following, well summarized by Gordon Duff in a post today

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/05/28/war-press-tv-and-death-by-political-correctness/



The real conspiracies are so much worse than the ones the phony activists talk about, you would be scared to death. Thousands of phony internet sites, hundreds of phony “activists” exist only to send us all chasing our tales. The truth? If you think it involves birth certificates or mortgages, you are a dupe. What is it really? Even I get threatened when I get too close.

Some odd facts:

1.The primary religion of Jesuits, high ranking Evangelical Christians, members of powerful organizations (we all know the list), congress and the Pentagon is Satanism. The number of high level confirmations I have on this are frightening. The more “Christian” or “religious” people appear, the more Satanist they are.
2.Satanists are bad.
3.Bad means they are immoral, they commit hideous acts using their power as cover and have total control of our courts and law enforcement mechanism and the leadership of both political parties.

This is a fact, like it or not. Your favorite leader is probably a Satanist. How I am told you can tell is that if someone lacks biting intellect and charisma yet holds a position of power, they have turned to Satan for help.

Do I believe this? I am not a religious person, but this was the guy who first explained this to me. Others since have confirmed and confirmed and confirmed:


YouTube - Veterans Today -

Excuse the 3 hours but ignoring a powerful belief that effects our lives every day more than simple denial. As Father Martin had told me years ago, when Christianity “quit delivering the goods,” wealth and power, those who seek wealth and power turned elsewhere.

If we are ruled, not governed, then it is by those seeking power, certainly we have seen the planet looted of every resource, real and imaginary with a Luciferian bent, organ theft, human trafficking, wholesale government sanctioned slaughter, poisoning of the earth, believing in Satan or following Satan isn’t so hard to accept when the evidence is overwhelming.

Who is our government, what is the source of world government, the financial cabals, the plots, the secret alliances, the reasons for the lies, the hate, war after war and religion always at the center of the worst of it?

But then, though the nature of all “religions of the book” is a belief in Satan or Lucifer and of demonic possession, it is politically incorrect to recognize it when it is staring you in the face.



Now that I (largely) believe that the above is (edit : may-be) true, how do I deal with that?

I understand that this is a 3D, duality, free-will part of the Universe.

I know from succesfull 'victories' over past attempts of (astral/4D/archonic?) entities to alter my perceived reality, scare me and feed on my fear, to attempt to control or subjugate me -

that within me, heart-based (in 3D physical body), is my connection to Source which allows and encourages me to stand up and assert my Light against such attempted incursions by Dark

I choose, as part of Intending my Reality, to believe that Help is Here to Awaken many Souls to this, and our collective-awareness-increase and rise in abilities now allow us to create a better shared-reality.

We are in the early stages of the process of fixing this mess, overcoming this Evil, and changing this Earth.

Other beliefs based on personal experience that contribute to my optimism:

Kundalini, the base-of-spine energy, is real, was awakened in my youth, and has over the years cleared out many obstructions and transformed my avatar instrument (raising vibration, 3rd Eye visual awareness, intuitive truth divining, reality-creating enhancements, etc.) , and these energies and changes have really started accelerating in the last year or so.

We are not our bodies - I have had (a few) out-of-body experiences, have had remote viewing or remote presense, one experience that crossed into the 'past' for an event I had wished to have attended. In the OBE I realized 'I' AM/WAS there, as 'I' am/was everywhere else 'I' might ever need or want to be.

We are not just trapped in a 'Soul Farm' , as food for negative archonic entities. (as someone on this forum stated as their understanding yesterday).

When I experienced a perceptual travelling thru a vortex or tunnel toward's the Light at the Center, I experienced my connection to Source such that I 'knew' that Love is All and that these negative entities do not own or control my spark of Divinity or Source Connection.

Actually, I view Earth as a Soul classroom (similar to Newton's subjects' regressions), and a Farm only to the extent that Souls do Grow here, but not ultimately for the benefit of Dark Service To Self Beings... Their time of ascendancy is on the wane, I Know (or choose to believe, time will tell) .... :)

[MargueriteBee]

I believe in nothing.

[Deega]

Thanks Aranuk, great Tread, challenging one, to make clear what is my believe, I start with a definition. In the Free Dictionary, believe (v.tr) - To accept as true or real, and, To credit with veracity, and, To expect or suppose; think. And believe (v.int) - To have firm faith, especially religious faith, and, To have faith, confidence, or trust, and, To have confidence in the truth or value of something, and, To have an opinion; think. I will hold on to what seem to be my truth.


There is a powerful elite that run the planet. They may or may not have ET/ED help.

I would think so to, and as we know, it’s the Financial World that run the show, then probably the bloodline! They have had through the years, ET/ED help.


They are in control of most advanced country's political systems. Most of all the other ones too.

Yes!, it seems that way!


They prevent honest politicians (in my view there are not many) from taking office and only allow the corrupt villains to take high office. Their methods are corruption of all kinds, no need to mention them all here.

I would nuance here, no one may overcome the power of money (an illusionary power) unfortunately, any politician will succumb to it somehow. I would tend to say that the root cause of corruption is that almost all politicians may be bought, but there is fortunately a few who may resist, great!


They are trying to get the population of the planet down to 500 million.

If the rulers of the World would have been really serious about this, it would be so right now! I guess that they can’t do it without leaving their traces..! But there is clear evidence that Earth has a limited number of hectares (land) to nourish their population, so that is a great challenge that the intelligence of human being will tackle.


Religions have been keeping the people misinformed for thousands of years. That has to be stopped.

Hmm!, yeah!, the sooner the better!


ET/ED's I still have not made up my mind, however, going what a lot of people say on the Camelot interviews I must say it looks pretty certain they are around.

I also believe it to.


Alternative medicine I go along with.

Also!


Contactees: I don't know. Nice stories. However there are many reports of contactees under hypnosis that seems to verify it all. I believe there is truth in a lot of the cases.

Concur!


Channelling: I did it with 16 childrens stories 14 yrs ago. Why not other people. I'm sure there are imposters.

I believe that channelling is a personal thing that may serve one life!

All the best to you.

Deega

[aranuk]

I believe chemtrails serve many purposes. Weather manipulation, and weather as a weapon. Mind control methods via directed energy weapons parked in space, and coincidentally has the benefit of poisoning us.
I believe there are good and bad ETs/IDs- Some of them are intermingled with the alphabets and militaries of the world.
I believe we all have abilities that have been shut down with poisons (flouride, etc.) via food water air emf etc.
I believe this has all been planned for at least a hundred years, probably more.
I believe there is major reptilian involvement in us politics and points of power.
I believe there has been a HUGE conquer and divide agenda, to separate those of us in the alternative groups. as well as using DEW's even, to divied family members and turn people against each other. (this can be anywhere and everywhere)
I believe most odd animal oddities found such as (chupacabra,etc) are military, biological experiments gone bad, and disposed of.
I believe haarp is responsible for many many bird and fish deaths.
I believe GMO crops are responsible for the destruction of the bee population, I also believe it is deliberate.
I believe Lyme disease was a deliberate event, created to secretly sicken an entire population.(or many) Read the book LAB 257.

I will probably edit this if I think of something I left out.

Thank you starchild111 That's what I ask for and you did a great job! I'm sure you have more as I certainly do.

Stan

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Hi Stan, great thread my friend. Short and sweet, no belief here. I'm a tired, beaten down old soul who's just about done it all, both good and bad, and now it's simply time to start heading for home. It's late.

Cheers Mate,
Fred

Hi Fred, so you don't have any beliefs then? I don't believe you.:p Now where does that leave me? Without a belief? No. I believe you are telling a lie. I am not saying you ARE telling a lie. I am saying I BELIEVE you are telling a lie.

Stan

I believe you Stan...:p

Fred you and I could maybe arrange a double act could we?

Stan

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There is as Dr Carl Jung called a complex here. There is an absence here of certain people who usually make a lot of noise regarding other peoples beliefs. They most likely feel vulnerable if they divulge their beliefs, unlike most of us here.

Very interesting.

Stan

Clever Stan. And what a brilliant conclusion to a great thread.

Ulli do you think we could wind it up now?:p

Stan

[ulli]

I believe chemtrails serve many purposes. Weather manipulation, and weather as a weapon. Mind control methods via directed energy weapons parked in space, and coincidentally has the benefit of poisoning us.
I believe there are good and bad ETs/IDs- Some of them are intermingled with the alphabets and militaries of the world.
I believe we all have abilities that have been shut down with poisons (flouride, etc.) via food water air emf etc.
I believe this has all been planned for at least a hundred years, probably more.
I believe there is major reptilian involvement in us politics and points of power.
I believe there has been a HUGE conquer and divide agenda, to separate those of us in the alternative groups. as well as using DEW's even, to divied family members and turn people against each other. (this can be anywhere and everywhere)
I believe most odd animal oddities found such as (chupacabra,etc) are military, biological experiments gone bad, and disposed of.
I believe haarp is responsible for many many bird and fish deaths.
I believe GMO crops are responsible for the destruction of the bee population, I also believe it is deliberate.
I believe Lyme disease was a deliberate event, created to secretly sicken an entire population.(or many) Read the book LAB 257.

I will probably edit this if I think of something I left out.

Thank you starchild111 That's what I ask for and you did a great job! I'm sure you have more as I certainly do.

Stan

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Hi Stan, great thread my friend. Short and sweet, no belief here. I'm a tired, beaten down old soul who's just about done it all, both good and bad, and now it's simply time to start heading for home. It's late.

Cheers Mate,
Fred

Hi Fred, so you don't have any beliefs then? I don't believe you.:p Now where does that leave me? Without a belief? No. I believe you are telling a lie. I am not saying you ARE telling a lie. I am saying I BELIEVE you are telling a lie.

Stan

I believe you Stan...:p

Fred you and I could maybe arrange a double act could we?

Stan

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There is as Dr Carl Jung called a complex here. There is an absence here of certain people who usually make a lot of noise regarding other peoples beliefs. They most likely feel vulnerable if they divulge their beliefs, unlike most of us here.

Very interesting.

Stan

Clever Stan. And what a brilliant conclusion to a great thread.

Ulli do you think we could wind it up now?:p

Stan

which approach would suit you best?
Sledge hammer?
or maybe ulli with the blow torch?

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[Carmody]

The core of the avatar's design, is that it must break before it can change, Dennis. The combination of fears, nightmare, solution, action and dream.

Oddly, the moment that the psyche/ego of humankind (individual and group) feels it has a hope, it hesitates, waits, backslides...and is, in that moment.... doomed to wait again.

Hope is necessary, but it is also borne (connectivity-but not solely) out of the body's desires and fears. Think of it more as a point of contemplation, this 'hope' thing. A thing that creates thought.... helps rumination, contemplation - 'be'.

As long as a body shapes the origins of thought, then hope as a failure -- is key to success.

It is but a moment of realization, but the origins of all fears/desires in the human system need be addressed, in order to get to that moment that makes it finally work. Where love and compassion are finally given their due, and integrate with the human body in an intensity that out weighs the other two. (fear/desire). when that happens, the view,and thus the input and output data system shift to this more correct orientation, of Love and Compassion.

Therefore, absolute, complete, total failure, with no way out, must be on your mind and in it... before the problems can be overcome.

Are any of you there yet?

Hi Carmody, are these your beliefs or are you stating an opinion here? I am unsure what they are. I was looking for peoples beliefs especially, the things we do NOT know but the things we believe.

Stan

Apologies Stan. This is the first time I have contributed to such a thread anywhere on the internet, at any time. What that means, concerning my post, I will keep to myself. :p

[selinam]

I used to believe in lots of things...

family
religion
money
justice
working hard
news channels
what I saw
what I didn't see

now the only thing I believe in is emotion. It is the only thing I know (or feel) for sure...

Selina

Selina

[christian]

I am trying to find what is the lowest common denominator here on this forum.

Nice idea. I think the lowest is: There is more going on than what is told in the MSM and we are always (co-)creators and can thus influence how it all plays out.


Please don't start arguing about what anyone says here. State what you do believe.

I believe that beliefs are generally transient, my ability to perceive sets the limits to my understanding and while I peel the layers of the onion there's progressively more to discern and new perspectives emerging.

Through personal experience I understand, that harmonizing and refining seems to be a purpose of what's going on, but in what context? What was before existence in general and what comes after? And I mean all existence. I have actually more questions than beliefs.

What is beyond all-that-is and its source? Existence, why and where exactly does stuff even exist? How can it be possible, that there is not just an eternal nothingness? But then, where would that nothingness be? It's all so wondrous. There is always something beyond, it seems. Is it really this way? Eternally? Even if it was all just one giant torus/ouroboros extending itself through dimensions etc., this must have originated somewhere somewhen, I'd assume.

[Carolin]

I believe that the universe is cyclical and that we take our little lives too seriously.

Hi Carolin, is that all you believe? If so you must have a vast amount of knowledge.

Stan

Hi Stan,

There are many things I think, few things I believe and nothing I know for sure.......anymore.

Love
C

[kreagle]

aranuk,

Your post is definitely "thought provoking" and useful.

For the "most part", I agree with a good deal with what you have observed.

I'll begin with my most "personal belief",......Then compare mine to yours like others have done.

I believe the following:

I "believe,....know,....and have personally met", (in Spirit),....One God. He was personally known to Moses/Israel, as simply, "I AM",......later as Jehovah, or Yahweh,......and finally today, as Jesus Christ.

in comparison

There is a powerful elite that run the planet. They may or may not have ET/ED help.

I believe that the "powerful elite" are "attempting' to run our planet. I "do" believe in "ED" involvement and influence,......but "not" in "ET" existence.

They are in control of most advanced country's political systems. Most of all the other ones too.

Have to say that I concur with you here.

They prevent honest politicians (in my view there are not many) from taking office and only allow the corrupt villains to take high office.

I concur.

Their methods are corruption of all kinds, no need to mention them all here.

I concur,....."completely"!

They TPTB (notice that I didn't say TPTW) I will believe that when I see it. And when I do I will be so happy. (Me, too!!)They use chem trails to poison us.

Sounds perfectly plausible,....not completely sold on "this scenario",....but I certainly wouldn't put it "past them",....in that,.....I "do not" trust them either!!

They are trying to get the population of the planet down to 500 million.

As "sinister" as this scenario "sounds and appears",....I'm highly inclined to agree with you, in that, I put "nothing" beyond their evil imaginations.

Religions have been keeping the people misinformed for thousands of years. That has to be stopped.

Surprisingly,....I agree completely with you, here,......and our Lord God will do "that",...."exactly",.....one day!

ET/ED's I still have not made up my mind, however, going what a lot of people say on the Camelot interviews I must say it looks pretty certain they are around.

As stated earlier,.....I "do" believe in "ED's", (fallen angels), who present themselves as "ET's". And, yes,....they are "certainly around". Deception is the name of their game!

UFO's Although I have never seen any, there are far too many sightings all over the world, to be a hoax.

I , once again, concur with you. I've never seen one myself, either. I agree that the "evidence" is too overwhelming, and too many credible reports. "Everyone" is not lying!

Alternative medicine I go along with.

I concur. God has given us the "herbs of the field" for medicinal purposes,....and also
the ability to "expand our knowledge" in order to extract their healing properties.

Contactees: I don't know. Nice stories. However there are many reports of contactees under hypnosis that seems to verify it all. I believe there is truth in a lot of the cases.

I do not doubt,...so therefore I "do" believe,....that there has been,....and will continue to be "contactees".

Channelling: I did it with 16 childrens stories 14 yrs ago. Why not other people. I'm sure there are imposters.

I do disagree, completely, with "channelling". It is a "modern day term" for what the Bible calls....."divination",......which is adamantly spoken against by the Lord, Himself.

All the Camelot whistleblowers I tend to believe until I know they are lying. There again some of them may be telling 90% the truth and elaborating a wee bit of lies here and there to make the story easier to believe.

I cannot make a discernment, one way or the other, in regards to the "Camelot whistleblowers" that you've alluded to here, in that, I have only sporadically visited "that site". My "gut instinct" tells me you are probably correct in you assessment of these gentlemen.

Love and Peace, to all,......kreagle

[Dennis Leahy]

In addition to, (and in spite of), what I wrote in this (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?45720-Tell-us-all-what-you-believe.&p=497085&viewfull=1#post497085) post...

I believe that evidently mankind (as a whole, and the 'comfortably numb' in developed countries in particular) need to go through the rapids and over the waterfall and fight to tread water in the pool beneath the falls. Since nothing is being done to prevent the Financial Elite from overtly getting to their financial endgame, in stride, I have to assume it will happen. But, I do not believe it is by any means the end of mankind, nor do I believe that they will achieve their ultimate goal of total dominance and enslavement (via chemical and possible psychotronic means) of mankind.

I believe that "the majority" (in developed nations, especially the US), the collective cluster of beings that has been sleepwalking, evidently requires a near-death experience-level wake-up call. Words are not enough. Videos are not enough. Seeing "others" losing their homes and being financially deconstructed is not enough. It has to be visceral. People who have never struggled (despite their belief that they have struggled) will need to truly struggle. The average person in the US today lives better than any king from 300 years ago (thanks, Wade (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=490914&viewfull=1#post490914)), and evidently needs to become a pauper to make it real.

But I see this as a catalyst. It's a catalyst I wish we could have avoided, but c'est la vie. I do believe humanity is going to get past this dark period, and that the greater good of mankind will eventually prevail. How long will it take? I dunno. I hope not 1000 years. And, my frustration with the situation led me to say I don't want to come back for 1000 years, but even a couple of days later I realize that I couldn't possibly "sit on the bench" if I felt needed.

We will experience abundance and a great spiritual awakening of the masses, I believe. I just don't think it will dawn before we collectively experience a very dark night.

Dennis

p.s. A tip of the hat to all who have noted that beliefs change - should change - as more and different information is encountered and processed. Though attributes such as integrity should remain resolute and should never flip-flop, it is quite possible that the flexible mind may have wild swings in beliefs held, as new data is processed.

[gripreaper]

I also believe, if I make myself another bowl of popcorn and hang out here at Avalon long enough, I may have an epiphany one day, an "aha" moment.

http://www.s2ki.com/s2000/uploads/gallery/album_34941/gallery_82195_34941_2463627.gif

I'm all ears...

[redheaded stepchild]

Most of my beliefs come from insights and my gut..

1. I believe that the human consciousness exists outside of the human brain/body in a place that is accessible to everyone and may even be part of the Akeshic Record.

2. I believe that consciousness and the 'soul' are separate from each other.

3. I believe that when the human body dies, consciousness joins and mingles with others and the information that it has accumulated in the previous life is recorded in a self-organizing system.

4. I believe that when the human bodies dies, the 'soul' goes on to experience an afterlife of it's own creation.. ie, if the human experience believed in Christ, the soul will experience the biblical heaven or hell. etc..etc.

5. I believe that the controllers of this world (Archons etc) are able to manipulate the human consciousness when it leaves the body and cause it to incarnate again and again.

6. I believe that reincarnation is a trap that keeps us forever recycling so that the controllers, ie, Archons can have a never ending power trip.

7. I believe that it is possible for a human being to live without a 'soul'..(psychopaths?)

8. I believe that human beings should become spiritually militant warriors.

9. And, lastly, I believe that my beliefs will change again as I become..

R.

[Seikou-Kishi]

I don't know what to believe.

[Tane Mahuta]

I want to believe...the truth is out there!!...

'huh', where have I heard that before!!!

nuff said

TM

[kcbc2010]

There is a powerful elite that run the planet. They may or may not have ET/ED help.

Yep. Agreed.

They are in control of most advanced country's political systems. Most of all the other ones too.
Yes. They look for ways to control independent movements which they didn't start.

They prevent honest politicians (in my view there are not many) from taking office and only allow the corrupt villains to take high office.
There are good people in office, but the system is stacked against them and they will eventually quit or become corrupted. However, the system works regardless of who's in power.

They TPTB (notice that I didn't say TPTW) I will believe that when I see it. And when I do I will be so happy.
I believe that what goes up must come down. America is not too big to fail. The "Market" is not always going to be booming. Things go in cycles. We must let these processes take their course. We can't have newness unless the old dies. I believe there are a lot of good people who don't want to be in the "PTB" club; however, they like us are blackmailed into complacency.

They use chem trails to poison us.
And a lot of other things.

They are trying to get the population of the planet down to 500 million.

And, they keep devising new and icky ways to kill people.

Religions have been keeping the people misinformed for thousands of years. That has to be stopped.

Religion has truth in it, it's just that people get hung up on behavior and who believes what and leaders take advantage of people because of this. Legalism isn't the same as religion. I think that's the part that needs to be stopped.

ET/ED's I still have not made up my mind, however, going what a lot of people say on the Camelot interviews I must say it looks pretty certain they are around.
UFO's Although I have never seen any, there are far too many sightings all over the world, to be a hoax.

I think it is possible that we aren't alone and that they use alternative forms of transportation.

Alternative medicine I go along with.

Western Medicine doesn't have all the answers.

Contactees: I don't know. Nice stories. However there are many reports of contactees under hypnosis that seems to verify it all. I believe there is truth in a lot of the cases.
Channelling: I did it with 16 childrens stories 14 yrs ago. Why not other people. I'm sure there are imposters.

Too many people have been contacted and it's hard to call every one of them crazy. I'm not sure what to think about channelling.

[Maia Gabrial]

I believe that we're all being duped so badly that we don't know which way is up anymore. For example, I think the biggest scam of all is the one that supposedly offers us (false) hope without a shred of proof to back it. All these supposed victories the ET's are having on our behalf.... Sorry, but a person's faith and trust can only be tested so far. The fact that there's no way to prove anything should set off our BS meters.... I tried to believe, I really did....

At one time, I was big believer of the GFL, but now I can add to that the Liberation Forces, Silver Legion and Andromeda Council. Does any of this exist in 3D? Of course not.... Everything I've discoverd regarding ET's only seems to exist in the 4D. George Kavassillas says that the there are many levels in the 4D, not the actual higher dimensions. I believe that.... And since there are so many dark entities being summoned to our world, this could explain why suddenly we have this "help" from all these well-meaning "cosmic friends"....Or it's all a NSA.... IMO this is a distraction from our spiritual paths as well as lessons in discernment....

That's what I believe....

[jcocks]

Of course beliefs change and are transient. But through belief comes eternal knowledge. What I am saying is that certain beliefs get proven to be true to you (and it may just be to you - sometimes the proof is an intensely personal experience that no-one else can possibly understand. It is for you and you alone. That is ok), and then you KNOW in your deepest part of your SOUL that your belief is true, and it crystalises into knowledge. Maybe that is the whole purpose of belief.

So, I will not state what I believe, but what I know :

There are many many many civilizations in this universe, countlesss.
We are loved beyond all comprehension. We are *ALL* loved - not just some of us. We have support behind us we can't imagine, and the ability to tap into that in our times of need if only we will open ourselves up to this love.
The times of the old guard are nearly over, but things are about to get a lot darker before we emerge. And soon.
God exists, but is beyond our comprehension and NOTHING like described by the various religions.

I reserve the right to add to this later :) But I will never remove from it, this is my ETERNAL KNOWLEDGE deep within my soul, and the personal experiences which have lead to this knowledge are deeply treasured.

Joel

[Maia Gabrial]

So, I will not state what I believe, but what I know :

There are many many many civilizations in this universe, countlesss.
We are loved beyond all comprehension. We are *ALL* loved - not just some of us. We have support behind us we can't imagine, and the ability to tap into that in our times of need if only we will open ourselves up to this love.


HOW do you know that this is true? Did you inner guidance tell you this? Or are you just regurgitating someone else's truth? Please don't take offense at this. I'm at the point where I'm re-evaluating whatever truths I've picked up over the years that turned out to be lies and distractions.... Most of it was wrapped in Love, so that I couldn't distinguish them from the deceptions they were.... I was a fool who was fooled....

There is an enemy that knows us very well and is here now.... supposedly "helping" us....
Just remember that ANYTHING that takes our eyes, hearts and minds away from our true spiritual paths is deception.

The grid is almost down.... Who and what do you want "harvesting" you?

[ghostrider]

great thread , it gets right down to it . A planet full of spirits in bodies trying to be sane in an insane matrix , where every road leads to another . Then you realize there is no road . It's good to be with others who view the world differently than the sleeping masses, thank you all for your passion , your ideas , and your courage to speak your truth from your perspective .