authentic thought

[Bo Atkinson]

The term authentic-thinking is here presented as a customized translation from Japanese Zen meanings. The english re-invention of the Japanese term "kami kiru" was provided by.....Yasuhiko Genku Kimura....

The following paraphrases parts of a phenomenal discussion offered by Mitchell J. Rabin at ProgressiveRadioNetwork:
http://prn.fm/2012/04/16/a-better-world-041612//

The ancient Japanese term "kami kiru"meant to think
(and today people in Japan say 'kangairu')

they don't know the origin or etymology of this word
kami is the divinity within you, ground of being
also cosmic intelligence, alive within you
kiru means to return

if we look at the truly creative thinking process
we realize that your consciousness stays in the kind of mode
in which you return to the divinity, the divine intelligence within you.
you can be inspired by yourself in this way
and you have a new vision, a new idea, original thought
and then you start express it

and so authentic thinking
kami kiru is that kind of thinking in which
you actually draw your cosmic intelligence
that is alive within you into the world
the term authentic has the same roots as authority
and also authorship, therefore authentic thinking--
you are the author of your thought and
you are the inner authority in that mode of thinking
and also knowing and acting
and so this is a very spiritual concept
and thinking is a very spiritual activity
and when i began teaching, i realied,
that this aspect of spirituality was not paid attention to
many people think spirituality is anti-thinking
they tech you no mind, no thinking
when you study zen, my background, they don't really say that
and when you are meditating, you have thought!
you think it is your thought
if it is your thought, you can stop it
but usually you cannot stop the thought that goes through your mind
because it is not your thought
when you are thinking authentically:
you can start and you can stop, your thinking
so the thinking process has two components
returning to the inner divinity, inner intelligence, within you, this return
and then from there you again come back to this world
and so meditation, the initial process of returning,(to this divinity) is meditation
and from there to bring forth new ideas, this is a creation!
so authentic thinking is a mediation- creation-evolutionary-cycle
and that is very, very important!
.... for people to understand and cultivate within themselves....
.... for their spiritual evolution.....

Full discussion at link above.
Also see: http://www.via-visioninaction.org/via-li/AudioVideo.php
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This pinged every chord in my waveforms.
Active meditation, so termed, had always been my approach.
I see now this man says it so much better. Thank you sir!

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[ulli]

...and thank you for sharing this man's thoughts on authentic thinking.
num, num, num...yummy

[Curt]

This is great. Thanks for sharing this.

[RMorgan]

Hey folks,

I believe one can achieve authentic thoughts in two circumstances:

1- At the moment you´re born, right before you open your eyes for the first time. After that, your thoughts start to get progressively contaminated and fragmented by external influences.

2- You work hard everyday until one day you eventually become an enlightened master, then, maybe, you can achieve the "blank paper" state of mind again.

Anyway, the authentic thought can only be authentic while its still a thought.

If you write it or say it, it will instantly be contaminated all over again.

Cheers,

Raf.

[jc71]

This is very much like the message in the book "The Secret of the Ages" by Robert Collier - a mini masterpiece IMHO - I just procured the full set of 7 small volumes in their original printed format (not first edition, but printed from the same plates and in the same covers).

[Bo Atkinson]

Hey folks,

I believe one can achieve authentic thoughts in two circumstances:

1- At the moment you´re born, right before you open your eyes for the first time. After that, your thoughts start to get progressively contaminated and fragmented by external influences.

2- You work hard everyday until one day you eventually become an enlightened master, then, maybe, you can achieve the "blank paper" state of mind again.

Anyway, the authentic thought can only be authentic while its still a thought.

If you write it or say it, it will instantly be contaminated all over again.

Cheers,

Raf.

Ya, seems so in many ways..... All of life and therein, 'thinking', can become so much an instant replay of past thoughts and records of the past in general. The little programs we pre-recorded and pre-rehursed, heh. Replay them over and again. Like "we think. therefore we 'am' " or except we just replay .... So we play. Can be fun though, no? I just again listened to the DVD Sopia Returning, John Lamb Lash (J Weidner production) where he suggests that we must really do something like strive for original thinking, in whatever we do.... Or else!... Woe to automated living, where archons win, humans become robotic junk... Worth replaying that methinks. Or so i thought. A little bit similar to Kimura's offering above, whole discussion linked... He goes into two-axis time track, also, sort of the qualitative experience, available to those who will as much.

~wav

[Bo Atkinson]

This is very much like the message in the book "The Secret of the Ages" by Robert Collier - a mini masterpiece IMHO - I just procured the full set of 7 small volumes in their original printed format (not first edition, but printed from the same plates and in the same covers).

That sounds good. I wish it was available in plain computer text... So i could hear it in my mp3 player.

(The player let's me do things, in this slave away world, besides waving my eyes left and right, back and forth all day). I do love good reads, if these can let me work and make life a little better, as a result..... )


Wow, wish and receive... Google found some of it's plain text on line. Good,
I'll see now if it can play away. http://www.sacred-texts.com/nth/tsoa/tsoa19.htm

Thanks JC71 !

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[Carmen]

Ah, excellent Wavydome. This inner referencing is authentic thought in my developing experience. Raf, in my experience until we break out of the intellectual ceiling into clear space, clear consciousness, (that which was natural in us as a small child) we cannot and do not access the authentic thought of the great Mind of God. Intellectual arrogance thinks it has all the answers but alas it does not but it will argue till it's dying day that it has!! I'd pitt any of my little grandchildrens knowingness against my sisterinlaws Phd any day. She may know all 'about',but she does not 'know', and all the kids see through her intellectual bull****, as kids do!!!

Sorry, I went off topic a bit here! I just like to point out occasionally that there is a state beyond intellect.

[Bo Atkinson]

Carmen, I think your comment fits very well.... If we are 'authoring' our feeling-thoughts of the moment. If children are honored for expressing their spontaneous thoughts. Peace can be inspired, if they are simply acknowledged for those thoughts, without adult intellectualizing it for them. I hope this is what Kimura also implies (indirectly)... May children thus be encouraged to 'author' thoughts.

How can individualized, seemingly differing thoughts fit intellectually? This has been my work-a-day experience of life. Fortunately, early in life, somehow, i felt encouraged to let differing perspectives fit. (Intellectual contextualized at peace, despite all else).

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[Kindred]

Peace can be inspired, if they are simply acknowledged for those thoughts, without adult intellectualizing it for them.

How can individualized, seemingly differing thoughts fit intellectually?
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A-ha! "Intellectualizing" What does this Mean?...

PREVIOUSLY LEARNED/DEVELOPED CONCEPTS, UNDERSTANDINGS, AND BOXES OF THOUGHT WITHIN CLEARLY DEFINED LIMITS.

-There Is No Infinite- (in an Infinite Existence)

Only Finite. (Boundary Conditions)

We are confronted with the conundrum of the ages... how do Infinite States and Bounded States co-exist?

I think Life Forms Have The Potential to Understand... IF they Use Their Mind To SEE the Infinite Within Themselves... Just as stated in the OP.

In Unity, Peace and LOVE

[Bo Atkinson]

....I think Life Forms Have The Potential to Understand... IF they Use Their Mind To SEE the Infinite Within Themselves... Just as stated in the OP....



A pause for infinite reflection here.. Yes Kindred, the subsequent part of the audio lecture did go into time and Infinite Within... (?)

I'm still trying to work on the 'authoring' aspect there

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[Kindred]

A pause for infinite reflection here.. Yes Kindred, the subsequent part of the audio lecture did go into time and Infinite Within... (?)

I'm still trying to work on the 'authoring' aspect there

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I will offer the suggestion that the 'author' is a Co-Creation between the 'Creator' (God/Source), and IT'S Creation (Life/Universe).

IT (God/Source) has provided the Means by which Life/Creation Exists - THE SPARK.

Life EXPERIENCES The CREATION and FORMS IT / Manifests IT via Free Will and IT's Observation of the Creation.

At least, that's One 'interpretation'!

In Unity, Peace and LOVE

For, it is Through the LOVE OF CREATION that Source CREATED ALL

[Sebastion]

Since Yasuhiko is a personnel friend of mine, I will offer this. Yasuhiko has a special "gift" concerning the mind of the One. I cannot elaborate on the specifics of it as we have had only cursory discussions about it. If you have any questions about him, send him an email through his website, vision-in-action.org.






A pause for infinite reflection here.. Yes Kindred, the subsequent part of the audio lecture did go into time and Infinite Within... (?)

I'm still trying to work on the 'authoring' aspect there

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I will offer the suggestion that the 'author' is a Co-Creation between the 'Creator' (God/Source), and IT'S Creation (Life/Universe).

IT (God/Source) has provided the Means by which Life/Creation Exists - THE SPARK.

Life EXPERIENCES The CREATION and FORMS IT / Manifests IT via Free Will and IT's Observation of the Creation.

At least, that's One 'interpretation'!

In Unity, Peace and LOVE

For, it is Through the LOVE OF CREATION that Source CREATED ALL

[Bo Atkinson]

Omm. I'll have to sleep on all this, good people. (Dream on Oneness metaphor.)

Actually, it was his mention of the maths. That was the part where i left off, Sebastion.

I've always preferred geometry for these understandings.
See, i never accepted the numeral-dimensions as multi-versal progressions. (1D-2D-3D).

RE: PRN Discussion: The two-axis aspect of time (including both horizontal & vertical),
seemed more about the qualitative-now, deeper meaningfulness.
Which we might 'author' (authentic thought).

So that, love in such 'authoring' has infinite verticality, a special sort of time track.

To be clearly distinguished from horizontal, flat-plane time zones.

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[Bo Atkinson]

jc71, Carmen & Kindred, i've always been mystified by the mechanics of 'creation' and like myself this way. I don't like the troubles of knowing too much and still need the karma of this world. Sebastion also notes "Yasuhiko has a special "gift" concerning the mind of the One".... Creator, creation and then these lovely little lives we all live. Fumbling around in the mysteries of it all....

Let us maintain the protocol for making things go right. Can we SPARK life just right?

Well this morning my deep well pump seems dead... Get out the multi-meter, but our pump is 37 years old now. I'm hoping the adaptor pulls out easily and slips back in with my new spare pump. Then there are all the fitting and stripped threads to replace. The 100ft+ slippery tubing to pull out. Fun, but much easier than doing this in subzero. Sort of a Robinson Crusoe day here..... Unless it is just the pressure switch to replace, much easier then. Daylight is coming now... Look for some tools. Imagine what it must be like to run the whole cosmos smoothly.

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