'WHO IS IT'? - (silent watcher)-(knowing the knower)-(seeing the see-'er) -Spirit,

[ljwheat]

Here are Two video’s that point to ,, look towards Who is it that is looking at what I’m looking at. A discussion on your seeing the see’er, explaining the unexplainable, bringing the Twilight Zone into the light of day. Many have tried to us religion to point at the silent watcher, including some channeled explanations, the silent watcher watching the giver in the channeled message -- being channeled? There is the one watching-- even God give a message, who is it that’s watching god watch us? befor religion? and dogma's. ie. a duality terminology human thinking.

This watcher that has no name, this awareness of all awareness, no matter how aware of awareness you go, we are still aware of yet an awareness just outside of each awareness, is watched. silent all knowing is'ness.

Or the creator of the creator, aware of who is it that’s aware of all the “IS”. ness’

How deep has your awareness taken you in seeing the see’er. ? Before the egg of religion or hard boiled dogma's, the awareness the watched. Story’s of your journey into the realm of the Twilight Zone were all things are possible and unexplainable, your chance to point at the silent watcher and what you’ve experienced, threw your eye’s and words.

Who is it that’s watching the watcher like a infinity mirror how many watcher’s are behind the watcher? Go as deep as you can, dive into new territory if you can?


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:ballchain:"Go Full Screen on this one for a full effect." (so above so below) infinity in both directions.

Doesn’t it look like a big dandy line, before you start the video, just before you blow it into a sunny day across the meadow of life.


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John XXX thanks for watching? who's watching? is it.:whoo: You or the watcher watching you watch.

[Fred Steeves]

Hi ljwheat, don't know if this is exactly in line with where you want to go with this thread, but here's an interesting little experience I had recently. I seldom formally meditate any more, but I'll still do it during the times when I can't sleep at night. Sometimes things can naturally go real quiet, and sometimes the chatter just continues. Either is just fine, I just don't have expectations with meditation any more.

So anyway, this night was a meditation just relaxing, and being mildly amused at observing the chatter that wouldn't stop. Almost like watchinig children at play. At one sudden point, the chatter peeled away from me, but continued on doing it's thing. It was very similar to where if two people are walking side by side in deep conversation, but one just stops, while the other unknowingly keeps on walking, continuing to speak to someone who's not there.

This really surprised the hell out of me, because the chatter has always been observed as being my own. With absolutely no judgement, the observer observed the chatter go it's own way for only a couple of seconds, until it realized what had happened, and zipped right back in like nothing had happened. Of course it was too late by that point, and it knew it. Like when a cat tries to act cool after a fall. A funny thing too, it was extremely embarrassed at being so utterly busted.(LOL) The watcher continued to be amused.

It's one thing to understand the concept of our duality, but it's another thing entirely to actually witness it.

Cheers,
Fred

[RUSirius]

Hey John, I just wanted to say this, ever since we spoke about the "watcher" when I consciously think about it, the who/what is watching through my eyes, I literally can feel a difference in my thoughts and emotions at that moment, things seem more interesting, less stressful. Thanks for everything.
Jeff

[ljwheat]

Hi ljwheat, don't know if this is exactly in line with where you want to go with this thread, but here's an interesting little experience I had recently.

Good day, Fred- - Yes this is ”pointing” there can be no exactly on this Who is it thingy. The one duality can’t seem to stay in sync with, as you said broke away and walked a head of you, the watcher seeing it take place.

New territory like the time years ago no one could break the 4 min. mile, till new territory was pondered till it manifested into duality. I guess I’m kind of back engineering looking at the us, standing as it were the shadow if you could turn your head fast enough you might catch a glimpse of. Your right on the money Fred, this is how I believe we will turn the tied by filling our awareness with practice in any skill is practice and association and emersion in to oneself, instead of 99% emersion in duality, you become what you eat or think the most on, diving into were duality cant go will break the 4 min. mile.

Our every waking moment is devoted to duality, duality, duality. Tipping the scale connecting with silent watcher of our being, so seem prudent that we familiarize our selves with the influence of our watcher and less and less of the doer in duality being watched. Each time you or I bring this forward all of us are gaining ground in the real us, and away from the elusions of duality. Thanks Fred threw your eye’s I saw yet another glimpse of the watcher.

John XXX

[ljwheat]

Hey John, I just wanted to say this, ever since we spoke about the "watcher" when I consciously think about it, the who/what is watching through my eyes, I literally can feel a difference in my thoughts and emotions at that moment, things seem more interesting, less stressful. Thanks for everything.
Jeff

Hay, Jeff ! WOW, good example awareness of the one watching is more of a feeling, like you know someone is watching and when you look its gone. Something your eye’s of thinking just can’t quite catch, but you know is there. Very good example in deed my friend, this is what I want to practice the orgasm of the awareness, and meditation or pondering melting backwards into the watcher’s arms of knowingness. Spot on Jeff. JOHN XXX

[truth4me]

We could/do live forever and not see it all for creation is also forever and has a head start on top of that.....

[Realeyes]

I wrote this post a year ago about the watcher/observer that fits in well with what you have written above.

Via controlled and spontaneous o.b.e.’s, I have experienced an unlimited amount of dimensions that one can travel and explore, each having a different conscious awareness that determines its shape and form. The higher one travels the greater consciously aware the beings become and more spiritually evolved. Within these dimensions are many universes, galaxies, solar systems, planets, landscapes creating a vast variety of entities, species and social systems etc.

I have an immense curiosity and after exploring a realm, I wonder what exists above this. Realms/dimensions are separated by what I will loosely call an energetic web and feels like pushing through a fine spiders web, ‘popping’ through and ‘arriving’ into the next realm. Continuing to do this, there comes a point when one finds oneself in a ‘Blue Energetic Grid of uniform squares’ that spans further than the 360 degree vision can see. This Blue Energy Grid has it’s own conscious awareness of sorts and will automatically read my energy fields around me (me being an orb) creating a shimmering affect in the Blue Grid square I am in, where instantly ‘reality’ of ‘shape and form’ instantly appear giving me the experience of a Time/Space continuum. The reality I witness will be frequency specific to my energy fields; if someone else entered into this energy square, they would witness/experience what was frequency specific to their energy fields – i.e. the realities and experience would be different.

Raising my conscious self above this Blue Grid, I will find myself in an Energetic Gold Grid that is the higher aspect of the Blue Grid and a deeper level of Oneness. There comes a point when suddenly I find myself in a deep Space Void of blackness, but is actually very much alive and conscious. There are no grid squares in sight just me floating in this Void as an Observer with immense observational abilities (360 degree), I am a Divine Presence with immense conscious awareness of SELF. I cannot see myself (no mirrors), because I am consciously inside of myself, yet likened to a big eye. As I adjust and accept this new state, I begin to see multitudes of bright lines coming off of me, like 360 degree rays from a star. I am surrounded by these spiralling vortices that don’t quite touch me, maybe a few millimetres gap from me, like synaptic clefts in the brain. On careful inspection they are spinning tunnel vortices that stretch out into this Void into eternity. Having 360 degree vision means I see all of them at once, yet when I want to inspect just one of them, it feels like I am turning my observation towards it, inside myself, but in truth there is no movement.

Now the moment I place my observation into looking right into any one of these vortices longer than a millionth of a second – I instantly ‘arrive’ at the other end of the vortex tunnel – instantly finding myself in a body form experiencing a reality filled with life and activity. These will either be a past, present, parallel or future time frame. Most times upon ‘arriving’, I instantly forget about ‘me’ being the big ‘Eye/Observer, and instantly engage into whatever reality is playing out as if it has always been this, including the body I find myself in. I can remain in one of these realities for any length of time, minutes to years until I suddenly find myself ‘returning’ back to being the big eye again floating in the Void with all these rays of vortices around me. Each time I return back to being the Big Eye there is a part of my conscious self that sort of chuckles that I forgot again of who I really am as I allowed myself to get totally lost again in a reality. There is another part of my consciousness that is relieved to have returned as my whole self again, the big eye/observer/god.

There is a level above this that I discovered, which is an even bigger Void of blackness, yet it is full of coloured specs within the blackness (sorry hard to describe). I exist as one of these minute specs of consciousness. Everything that ever was and ever will be exists here in no form yet the potential ideas of all form – it is a sea of pure Divine Consciousness. It is like floating in the womb of God/Source. Everything is known, so there are no questions to ask. I no longer see the vortex rays around me, or even have memories of lifetimes; it’s as if I am ONE MIND with ALL THINGS, ALL POTENTIALS and NO THINGS all at the same time – it is quite a paradox trying to understand this when in human form, yet when there or should I say in this 'State' of 'Mind', it all makes absolute sense. This as I understand it so far is ‘Creative Source’ or the Mind of God.

Back to existing here in ‘form’ with a body, many people (including myself) who are able to meditate into a deep trance (i.e. lose all sense of their physical body, 5 senses & shutting off this reality) experience seeing a single large beautiful loving eye gazing back at them. N.B. This is not to be confused with the Illuminate eye that is a downgrade of truth bastardised to manipulate and encourage fear and control over others. The eye I and many others have witnessed is not a physical eye; it is seen by our psychic senses in our frontal lobe. This is the big eye/observer I spoke about observing through the spiralling vortex of ‘me’ experiencing this reality. To put this another way, it is my godly ‘I’ (eye) connected to Eternal Source lovingly observing ‘me’. I call this my Greater Observer that exists in the timeless/formless state were All Times are happening simultaneously in a twinkling of an eye. This is what I understand the scientists studying Quantum Mechanics are starting to realise. Their experiments are getting really exciting as they start to understand the Observer (meaning us) effects reality!

I could continue writing loads on this subject because the possibilities of what we can do are unlimited, where Dimensional Travel becomes very obvious for those who wish to contemplate what I have written. When one has obtained self mastery they can travel as they please; there is no need for governments, houses, food, work, social structures, religion, taxes etc – it is absolute self expression of Freedom – free-dancing in the Mind Of God.

Like everyone else, I have not achieved this mastery yet, just had glimmers; I have much to learn and conquer within myself – but with All Time existing simultaneously in the NOW, there is a ‘me’ right now in existence that ‘has’ and ‘is’ doing just this! My mind boggles in all that I have yet to explore!

Simply put in a 360 degree wrap-up - I exist in ‘All States’ simultaneously and it all balls down to ‘me’ engaging consciously with my ‘observer’ as to which ‘state’ of myself 'I' choose to experience! Happy contemplations....... :tsk::wizard:

[ljwheat]

We could/do live forever and not see it all for creation is also forever and has a head start on top of that.....

truth4me, this has given me pause Very Great Pause -- thinking of the second video --So above so below, in that an earlier post today spoke of ant’s having awareness, and then the drop of water on a blade of grass towards the end of the video with a myriad of microbial life in suspension, having this same awareness as we do. Big stretch for ego to let go of what intelligent life or thinking should be.

That small or better yet, a bigger mind as an elephant or a whale, or the mind of mother earth, or a microbe suspended in a drop of water, is there really any difference in awareness the silent watcher (awareness) dose it take up any space? Words take up space, watcher taking up no space can fit into any size or detention or time line. Or all of eternity in the size of a speck? John XX


Doesn’t it look like a big dandy line, before you start the video, just before you blow it into a sunny day across the meadow of life.

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[Realeyes]

We could/do live forever and not see it all for creation is also forever and has a head start on top of that.....

truth4me, this has given me pause Very Great Pause -- thinking of the second video --So above so below, in that an earlier post today spoke of ant’s having awareness, and then the drop of water on a blade of grass towards the end of the video with a myriad of microbial life in suspension, having this same awareness as we do. Big stretch for ego to let go of what intelligent life or thinking should be.

That small or better yet, a bigger mind as an elephant or a whale, or the mind of mother earth, or a microbe suspended in a drop of water, is there really any difference in awareness the silent watcher (awareness) dose it take up any space? Words take up space, watcher taking up no space can fit into any size or detention or time line. Or all of eternity in the size of a speck? John XXX

Methinks this is what Jesus meant when he said something like 'The Kingdom of Heaven is contained within a mustard seed'. BIG GRIN.

[ljwheat]

Realeye's ---- said; I have an immense curiosity and after exploring a realm, I wonder what exists above this. Realms/dimensions are separated by what I will loosely call an energetic web and feels like pushing through a fine spiders web, ‘popping’ through and ‘arriving’ into the next realm. Continuing to do this, there comes a point when one finds oneself in a ‘Blue Energetic Grid of uniform squares’ that spans further than the 360 degree vision can see. This Blue Energy Grid has it’s own conscious awareness of sorts and will automatically read my energy fields around me (me being an orb) creating a shimmering affect in the Blue Grid square I am in, where instantly ‘reality’ of ‘shape and form’ instantly appear giving me the experience of a Time/Space continuum. The reality I witness will be frequency specific to my energy fields; if someone else entered into this energy square, they would witness/experience what was frequency specific to their energy fields – i.e. the realities and experience would be different.
John XXX

Realeye's The mere mention of Orbs -- as our essence, I think of Bill Ryan’s thread on orbs as well as the trilogy of Carlos Kastenesta’s books on ancient shaman teachings, and his eventual experiencing seeing life in real time everywhere he looked seeing orbs of all sizes, little ones, like insect’s, bigger ones, like animals and birds and so on entering and leaving our dualistic world before and after life. O.B.E.’s are probably adding to this myriad of Orbs he was seeing in real time as well as in the photograph’s in Bills thread on Orbs caught on film. Could this be the vehicle of silent watcher pure awareness popping in and out of time lines and dimensions at will and at conception in the egg any egg not just human.? JohnXXX

[Realeyes]

Realeye's ---- said; I have an immense curiosity and after exploring a realm, I wonder what exists above this. Realms/dimensions are separated by what I will loosely call an energetic web and feels like pushing through a fine spiders web, ‘popping’ through and ‘arriving’ into the next realm. Continuing to do this, there comes a point when one finds oneself in a ‘Blue Energetic Grid of uniform squares’ that spans further than the 360 degree vision can see. This Blue Energy Grid has it’s own conscious awareness of sorts and will automatically read my energy fields around me (me being an orb) creating a shimmering affect in the Blue Grid square I am in, where instantly ‘reality’ of ‘shape and form’ instantly appear giving me the experience of a Time/Space continuum. The reality I witness will be frequency specific to my energy fields; if someone else entered into this energy square, they would witness/experience what was frequency specific to their energy fields – i.e. the realities and experience would be different.
John XXX

Realeye's The mere mention of Orbs -- as our essence, I think of Bill Ryan’s thread on orbs as well as the trilogy of Carlos Kastenesta’s books on ancient shaman teachings, and his eventual experiencing seeing life in real time everywhere he looked seeing orbs of all sizes, little ones, like insect’s, bigger ones, like animals and birds and so on entering and leaving our dualistic world before and after life. O.B.E.’s are probably adding to this myriad of Orbs he was seeing in real time as well as in the photograph’s in Bills thread on Orbs caught on film. Could this be the vehicle of silent watcher pure awareness popping in and out of time lines and dimensions at will and at conception in the egg any egg not just human.? JohnXXX

YEP! Happy Dreaming! :rapture::rapture::rapture::rapture::rapture:

[ljwheat]

Here is an analogy; that we are just the glove on the watcher’s hand. Or the shoe, watcher steeps out in. We are just the thinking hat sitting on the head of a student at Hog Wart school for the gifted. LOL just a thought outside the box/hat. John XXX

[ljwheat]

Like mirror gazing, and after the impulse to laugh your head off, as it is “Jim Carry“, but since we know him, this is a way to bring something we have in common to the thread. Smiling into my face wouldn’t have the same result I’m afraid. LOL

Anyway try holding your gaze to match his not to mention his emanating pure Love, then try it in your own mirror, with the same sound track in the background the music the birds all that stuff. When I did this even though I know myself pretty well, I was embarrassed. Is that normal in mirror gazing. Or is it unseen issues I need to deal with?

Full screen helps with this video too. LOL good luck let me know what happens, or if you have information on mirror gazing. John XXX

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Can you sense Jim's silent watcher watching him watch you? Feel into it with your 6th sense.

[Carmen]

Oh!! It is soo good to have some threads now that I can enjoy. Not that I have a whole lot to say but they are uplifting and cause me to contemplate. Thank you guys. I was at the point of walking away from this forum.

[RUSirius]

Oh!! It is soo good to have some threads now that I can enjoy. Not that I have a whole lot to say but they are uplifting and cause me to contemplate. Thank you guys. I was at the point of walking away from this forum.

Please stay, you are needed by us and others around you

[ljwheat]

Eckhart Tolle brings so much from stillness were watcher and all that is -- stems. Its truly amazing how the universe works, when the student is ready the teacher will ------smiles with out end.

john XXX

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[ljwheat]

Oh!! It is soo good to have some threads now that I can enjoy. Not that I have a whole lot to say but they are uplifting and cause me to contemplate. Thank you guys. I was at the point of walking away from this forum.

Carmen I too just a month or so ago, had the same thoughts, as so many before us have left for so many reasons - some left untold I am sure - will probalbly stay that way.

Alas I had a request by a young fellow who asked a question and was in need of advice, I took the challenge and opened up, I found out that I was truly needed and my opinion counted in some ones life as I found out in short order,. When the student is ready the teacher will arrive. How else will the studant learn to become the next teacher?

RUSirius just said stay -- and I believe your some ones teacher, and my backup. Had you stayed silent I would not have known your support thank you Carmen. John XXX your part of this thread you enjoy. Some times two words can make or break some one’s life. And its helped make mine to night. :cool:

[ljwheat]

This is totally assume. John XXX a short 12 min. video.

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[Sebastion]

As far as I am concerned the silent watcher is in reality, your own god-consciousness/awareness. I had a lucid dream late last week which was very similar to the 2nd half of the 2nd video you posted. I am amazed at the synchronicity and the similarity with that video.

Methinks when you drop a majority of your social programing and imprinting, the inevitable result will be peace within yourself as there aren't any conflicting programs playing continuously. That is where unity consciousness within starts to take place, if that is your intention. Unity consciousness will include the silent watcher aspect as well.

[Falcor]

'I' saw 'my Self' in the 'creation' the other day. it was a good moment. if only i could 'see' that way more often :P

at some point along the path of self recognition, words just fall short :)

[The One]

Love the first video here is the full version

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Now this is mind blowing

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We are very small.

[Eram]

Hi John,

I really love you posts and threads lately.
You're on fire!


As far as I am concerned the silent watcher is in reality, your own god-consciousness/awareness.

Can you watch the silent watcher?

Can you be what you can observe?

[Realeyes]

We could/do live forever and not see it all for creation is also forever and has a head start on top of that.....

truth4me, this has given me pause Very Great Pause...

That small or better yet, a bigger mind as an elephant or a whale, or the mind of mother earth, or a microbe suspended in a drop of water, is there really any difference in awareness the silent watcher (awareness) dose it take up any space? Words take up space, watcher taking up no space can fit into any size or detention or time line. Or all of eternity in the size of a speck? John XX

I wanted to pick up on these genius thoughts of contemplation.

I will share with you an out of body experience I had many years that delves into this contemplation.

I have learnt to induce my own OOBE’s. Sometime around 2002 I had peeled out of my physical body into my Astral body and was now flying at fast speed into deep space, flying passed stars and planets and having great fun diving into wormholes. Such experiences are awesome!

Suddenly, I became two awareness’, whereby I was still full on experiencing my wild ride in space, yet I now had a second silent observation awareness, where I was seeing myself whizzing through the wormhole yet perceiving this from ‘outside’ of the wormhole. I was a dot of light travelling through a long tunnel. This ‘observer’ perspective was looking inside my ‘brain’!

These wormholes were ‘axons’ leading to the ‘neuron’. Arriving in the ‘neuron’ is where I would experience forms such as planets, stars etc. Then I would travel momentarily into a void like space, where no-thing existed before diving into another wormhole. This void like space was my synaptic cleft!

So to round up my post – reality has never been the same since all of the above. Yes, I forget at times and get in-spelled in 3D – yet at the back of my mind, I know a deeper understanding that always reminds me there is so much more to this picture I call reality.

Here is an image of a neuron cell.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Complete_neuron_cell_diagram_en.svg

Ps. I will be away from a computer for just over a week, so will not be around to comment to any questions that may arise from this wild post. If there are such questions, please be patient, and I will get back to you when I am able. Smile

[ljwheat]

Ps. I will be away from a computer for just over a week, so will not be around to comment to any questions that may arise from this wild post. If there are such questions, please be patient, and I will get back to you when I am able. Smile

Realeyes, we so await your return, the time line your on, I sensed you were holding out on us, or should I say no ones asked of late the gems you hold in tow. There is so much territory even keeping with the OP the off shoots all connect beautifully holding this time line together, diving into new territory is sometimes only a thin layer away from the path well trod. Gods speed on you journeys, and come back to us rested and ready to roll the pearls across the table for us to see. I’ve enjoyed the door’s you’ve opened thus fare, with baited anticipation we all await your return.

John XXX

[ljwheat]

Hi John,

I really love you posts and threads lately.
You're on fire!


As far as I am concerned the silent watcher is in reality, your own god-consciousness/awareness.

Can you watch the silent watcher?

Can you be what you can observe?

Wakytweaky, wow, nice pointing with your questions its the direction of aware of the awareness. Yes, and Yes to both. Watching silent watcher is probably the easiest why to see watcher is in nature, pausing enough in self is the hard part, but being silent yourself while observing this silent watcher in nature is most pleasing an endeavor a mother watching over a young cub, or lamb, or the Sun watching over Mother earth from afar observing the observed as the observer is tranquil in its stillness, so many prophets, wise sayer’s, sages, teacher’ s have stressed the gazing in/ of nature to reach this Plato of awareness. Once in that time line of awareness you feel into and become what you see, out of observing the seen. So IMO it’s a yes - yes. Thanks for the journey in that mind space. John XXX

[Sebastion]

Well said LJ!





Hi John,

I really love you posts and threads lately.
You're on fire!


As far as I am concerned the silent watcher is in reality, your own god-consciousness/awareness.

Can you watch the silent watcher?

Can you be what you can observe?

Wakytweaky, wow, nice pointing with your questions it the direction of aware of the awareness. Yes, and Yes to both. Watching silent watcher is probably the easiest why to see watcher, pausing enough in self is the hard part, but being silent yourself while observing this silent watcher in nature is most pleasing an endeavor a mother watching over a young cub, or lamb, or the Sun watching over Mother earth from afar observing the observed as the observer is tranquil in its stillness, so many prophets, wise slayer’s, sages, teacher’ s have stressed the gazing of nature to reach this Plato of awareness. Once in that time line of awareness you feel into and become what you see, out of observing the seen. So IMO it’s a yes - yes. Thanks for the journey in that mind space. John XXX

[Ernie Nemeth]

I really like the second video for personal reasons.
My most profound understanding has to do with a concept that came to me in a flash while writing one of my books.
It is the idea of the circle in the dot. Ulli would call it as above so below, as below so above.
That video reminded me of the time I was transported on just such a journey, in my mind while meditating, as the intro to the concept of the circle in the dot. So to see it represented like that really gave me a jolt.
Thanks so much. And I agree - you are on fire!

Keep it up, friend.

[ljwheat]

I really like the second video for personal reasons.
My most profound understanding has to do with a concept that came to me in a flash while writing one of my books.
It is the idea of the circle in the dot. Ulli would call it as above so below, as below so above.
That video reminded me of the time I was transported on just such a journey, in my mind while meditating, as the intro to the concept of the circle in the dot. So to see it represented like that really gave me a jolt.
Thanks so much. And I agree - you are on fire!

Keep it up, friend.

Good day Ernie, Thank you for your tour in mind space, as you spoke these words of vision in your recalling of/how it affected you I suddenly became the silent watcher and traveled with you, in your shoe’s as it were, when people hold back no matter how trivial it may sound in there head with little or no response the rest of the universe looses the glimpse of that flower that would have bloomed in some ones awareness. Never hold back any detail big or small the size of a speck - its", all part of our great awareness. I still real every time I rethink the ride Jodi Foster took to the core of the universe and back in the movie Contact, it may have been science fiction for a movie, but when millions took that ride with her it suddenly became real. If you smile into a mirror it has no choice but to smile back, so to the -thought- think it into the mirror of our world it has no choice but to create it as real. And that time line co-exists next to grumpy old men, and there creation. If you swim in the flames of what is possible, your bound to catch yourself on fire. Thanks Ernie you’re a champ. JohnXXX

[ljwheat]

Here is a short story, I’d like to relate of my earliest recount of seeing nature as a child of 2 and a half years old.

At that time we lived on a truck farm of 5 acres deep one wide. Raised vegetables to sell on the side of the road on the out skirts of Toledo Ohio, I had a dog, collie shepherd that I stood shoulder to shoulder with at that age, my two older brother’s as boys will do-- adventurous after chores of course-- some times would travel 5 acres back to the tree line at the property line, exploring the woods, there was a small path well worn from there use over the years before I came along, 7 years difference I was the youngest of three boy’s.

Anyways one day since I now new the way, back to this path in the woods that lead to a very neat little clearing of sand doon’s and a fresh water spring, and several small ponds.

Dad was at work factory worker, both brother’s in school, mom was doing laundry or something? "Me" just a toddler and my dog “Boots” were off to the ponds and all that sand. I don’t remember to much of the journey back there, but the journey back was emblazed into my memory for ever.

So what’s prevalent to this thread is -- once at the pond playing in the water’s edge I had picked up a young tad pole, holding it in my hand in a tinny little pool of water it wiggled around in my hand I pocked at it enough that it flipped over on its back and young tad pole’s have a transparent belly and I could see right threw the shin seeing its intestines and all that stuff, then I notice, I saw the little tinny heart, beating away life holding life in my hand. Suddenly I was the watcher holding the watched. Then something happened that till now eluded me to this day, suddenly I was the tad pole looking up at (life) myself holding myself (life), my little jaw fell to the sand I was standing on for it seemed like an eternity in total awareness at that age wow.

Then out of no ware the back of my legs were on fire, as my mother had notice that I and "Boots were missing, and there was a fresh trail of little boy with dog tracks leading right past an old willow tree just before the freshly plowed field, branch of willow tree in hand mother followed the trail my bestest friend and I had left for her to fallow. So the journey home was emblazed into my little life. And I must say it was all worth the wisdom of that moment in time so long ago.

" There I got it out of me". Phew. 61 years ago still fresh in my thoughts still.

That was my first awakening to two different worlds one of bliss, the other of pain beyond belief. :yell: John XXX

[GoodETxSG]

Woah... keep it coming people. This is some very good stuff. Loving it!

[ljwheat]

Woah... keep it coming people. This is some very good stuff. Loving it!

Hay , GoodeTXSG, I know -- I was thinking this - the other day looking at threads -- in and out- - not finding anything worth joining in -- so many arguments the majority of topic’s have fallen into. So to make the mirror" smile"-- I decided to make this one smile by smiling first. and now everyone is smiling back with me, cool Huh ? This is the oasis of stillness and the story’s that brought us all to this time line. Thanks for joining us the temperature is just right methinks. John XXX

[GoodETxSG]

Yea, this site goes through phases... There were some great topics going strong for a while. I guess it ebbs and flows. But I do like this positive thread. We need more of that kind of thing in our minds each day. I hope other people come up with some more of these videos. I liked this one as well... It freaked me out as it reminded me exactly of a Remote Viewing session I had right after being trained around 1990. It was pretty close, very cool.

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Indeed, this one DID blow me away!

[spiritguide]

Nature is the watcher and we are part of it. Love is the binding force, just be. Thank you for the sharing and making the now pleasant.

[ljwheat]

:ranger: I was going to say Good morning with coffee in hand and all, pondering what I might bring forward today and suddenly realized.

Before typing this we are still in the now moment on a ball and all that this moment entails on a ball and taking this word good morning for granted.

You know its almost like watching a commercial on tv and you catch something that’s not correct a typo the set director some how over looked.

What I’m driving at here,- is this commercial of life -- and the rolls we play in it, and the scripts the directors have handed us to play out day to day, I’m beginning to see all the typo’s now. Using the its always “now” model as a grounding anchor to look at some of the words we were taught to us and just how they continue to keep us locked into there controlled time line.

For instance the “word’ - one of many that in pure - critical thinking - and scientifically provable for any third grade science class, is the word (Good Morning) one of many thousands of words we can attack with a new fad of eliminating all these words out of our vocabulary (one hell of an undertaking I would think) or some how flag these words of deception.

Good Morning is a subtle and innocent word. Considering we live on a ball and were ever the flash light shines the eastern part of the ball all the ants are saying good morning to each other, what if we had three Sun’s and our planet didn’t spin. Would it not be called NOW everywhere on the planet at the same time? Have we not Labeled the elusion of movement in time and space with all these labels‘, yesterday, tomorrow, in a minute, next week, next month, in the future, when in reality they can not exist except in our heads as a fantasy words like fillers for meat and food no nourishment for our brains, a lie, a controlled blinding lie to the reality of its always now, and it will never, not be now.

They’ve tricked us into believing that we are in motion, when there is only now. When you think of London in the now your thoughts are in London with out movement of the body, but none the less in the now in London at that now. When you were there in the now, it was now.

Many have said the 5th dimension is going to be like this, think willow tree and suddenly your standing in front of a willow tree. Think alpha centurie and suddenly your there millions of light years away now to now travel.

Placing all these limiter’s, in our path of the present now, we have never had a chance to work out how to properly use the “now” there keeping us out of - by words and scripts, programs, beliefs, and dogma’s always moving in the direction of the future or past, never really taking advantage of the power in the now.

All these words of movement when there is only now.:shocked:

The ever present noise in the brain if it were recordings of truth and correct thinking it would not be able to push us into the future or past - that have the power to keep us out of the “now”- those two words are the blinders (past and future) there is only now.

All this glimpsing of the watcher, when for a second you see it. Its in the silence of the moment in the “now“. When there is no movement, you see it all.:tape:

In movement of words the now is lost. The words of still, now, tranquil, calm, know, be, is, have, I see you, known, ponder, See, aware, awake, conscious, hold this space, stop the movement of definitions that have no meaning in the now.

To the totally controlled human on this planet not seeing how words control everything, mediation is something for 60’s crowd and those who smoke dope and wear flower’s in there hair, and sing love, love, love, all the time.

Meditation is only the door way out of all this world of words of deception. But nothing is really done about the words we walk back into once we leave the world of silent watcher. We step out for a time recharge our batteries. And then step right back into the world of “WORDS” keeping our attention away from what’s real non words in the now.

Not all words are bad, just the ones set in place to keep us all little happy, obedient, in a trance slaves.

Everything out side of “NOW” and its big- - everything that’s not sync’ with ture meanings and with now is the deception. Words and definitions’ are the ball and chain keeping us from living a full and powerful life in the now.

John XXX

[RUSirius]

:ranger: I was going to say Good morning with coffee in hand and all, pondering what I might bring forward today and suddenly realized.

Before typing this we are still in the now moment on a ball and all that this moment entails on a ball and taking this word good morning for granted.

You know its almost like watching a commercial on tv and you catch something that’s not correct a typo the set director some how over looked.

What I’m driving at here,- is this commercial of life -- and the rolls we play in it, and the scripts the directors have handed us to play out day to day, I’m beginning to see all the typo’s now. Using the its always “now” model as a grounding anchor to look at some of the words we were taught to us and just how they continue to keep us locked into there controlled time line.

For instance the “word’ - one of many that in pure - critical thinking - and scientifically provable for any third grade science class, is the word (Good Morning) one of many thousands of words we can attack with a new fad of eliminating all these words out of our vocabulary (one hell of an undertaking I would think) or some how flag these words of deception.

Good Morning is a subtle and innocent word. Considering we live on a ball and were ever the flash light shines the eastern part of the ball all the ants are saying good morning to each other, what if we had three Sun’s and our planet didn’t spin. Would it not be called NOW everywhere on the planet at the same time? Have we not Labeled the elusion of movement in time and space with all these labels‘, yesterday, tomorrow, in a minute, next week, next month, in the future, when in reality they can not exist except in our heads as a fantasy words like fillers for meat and food no nourishment for our brains, a lie, a controlled blinding lie to the reality of its always now, and it will never, not be now.

They’ve tricked us into believing that we are in motion, when there is only now. When you think of London in the now your thoughts are in London with out movement of the body, but none the less in the now in London at that now. When you were there in the now, it was now.

Many have said the 5th dimension is going to be like this, think willow tree and suddenly your standing in front of a willow tree. Think alpha centurie and suddenly your there millions of light years away now to now travel.

Placing all these limiter’s, in our path of the present now, we have never had a chance to work out how to properly use the “now” there keeping us out of - by words and scripts, programs, beliefs, and dogma’s always moving in the direction of the future or past, never really taking advantage of the power in the now.

All these words of movement when there is only now.:shocked:

The ever present noise in the brain if it were recordings of truth and correct thinking it would not be able to push us into the future or past - that have the power to keep us out of the “now”- those two words are the blinders (past and future) there is only now.

All this glimpsing of the watcher, when for a second you see it. Its in the silence of the moment in the “now“. When there is no movement, you see it all.:tape:

In movement of words the now is lost. The words of still, now, tranquil, calm, know, be, is, have, I see you, known, ponder, See, aware, awake, conscious, hold this space, stop the movement of definitions that have no meaning in the now.

To the totally controlled human on this planet not seeing how words control everything, mediation is something for 60’s crowd and those who smoke dope and wear flower’s in there hair, and sing love, love, love, all the time.

Meditation is only the door way out of all this world of words of deception. But nothing is really done about the words we walk back into once we leave the world of silent watcher. We step out for a time recharge our batteries. And then step right back into the world of “WORDS” keeping our attention away from what’s real non words in the now.

Not all words are bad, just the ones set in place to keep us all little happy, obedient, in a trance slaves.

Everything out side of “NOW” and its big- - everything that’s not sync’ with ture meanings and with now is the deception. Words and definitions’ are the ball and chain keeping us from living a full and powerful life in the now.

John XXX

Hello my friend, unbelievably well said, however I have one "complaint" you said it so well, drew such a good picture, it depressed me a bit that I seemingly feel not close to achieving what you speak of. I'm honestly tired of words, food too, not that I dont love either of them, I just feel like it would be great to move on from both of them. Staying in the now is the key, I feel I know it is, its also difficult to stay focused, or should I unfocus, not sure. Thanks John, you're the best.
Jeff

[ljwheat]

Hello my friend, unbelievably well said, however I have one "complaint" you said it so well, drew such a good picture, it depressed me a bit that I seemingly feel not close to achieving what you speak of. I'm honestly tired of words, food too, not that I dont love either of them, I just feel like it would be great to move on from both of them. Staying in the now is the key, I feel I know it is, its also difficult to stay focused, or should I unfocus, not sure. Thanks John, you're the best.
Jeff

Jeff, actually everything you have just voiced is exactly what has spur’d me to voice this post, I think we are all very old traveler’s, birthing on this planet so, so, many times -- its just down right getting old having to play this word game yet again on a planet were --everything-- to live -must kill and eat everything else to hold this bag of water in place.

Trying to get it right, trying to make a difference, being recycled over and over to what end we think, and those who would scam or deceive us on every street corner, saying come look see, could you spare a dime or some of your energy, or time. When dose it end-- when will it stop?

That’s the dilemma we all are in with words and stinking thinking. But on the bright side, the above post is a small antidote to all this noise our inviorment,- our brains, - our friends have set up before us to get threw yet one more time, like running threw a mind field only this one is words and mind space noise, just as deadly-- but getting more and more "detectable" now -- then it was 10 years ago, when they would hall you off to the funny farm-- speaking and considering any alterative thought or time lines. Much has changed in a very short time for the good. Stay on this time line it easy to fall back into the doom and gloom time lines running around every where, staying-- amercing-- your self in all the good stuff you can find long enough, you become what you eat, or what you think. If you want good things in the mirror your looking into, you must turn around and place those good thing around you and behind you, so when you turn and look back into the mirror you will see and find all the work you’ve accomplished in creating what you now will see in the mirror. Its just that simple be the mirror- the mirror reflects. If you build it on the inside mirror-- you’ll see it on the outside mirror. the mirror is a slave to what it see's on the inside thats its soul job-- reflecting what is in you.

So if you run into a screwed up mirror and the things you see in it are not your’s-----“RUN” quite looking into everyone else’s mirror -- get your reflection right. Meditate young Pad a Wan, “stay here and now in the present” the future has its own destiny, build your own image and this is called self empowerment. Fill your inner mirror with all the furniture and thoughts you’ll need to be comfortable for the long or short hall we have left here to unfold. But unfold it in your heart first were its safe and men can not enter and steel your pearls, or furnishing. Building anything out hear in this mirror we falsely call our reality will fall apart if its not in our inner reflection first. confuseing what you see or hear on this outside mirror with your own mirror is the land mine. make sure it reflects your inner most reflection -- as out here there are to many knock offs-- that look like the real thing, but are just the products of the black market (evryone else's mirror's) to intice you into purchasing there wares. RUN my friend RUN be true to the inner mirror you can build-- and have full devine control over. John XXX

PS: you had it right.! un-focus on the outside mirror's and focus on the inner mirror and what you put there. just go back and visit that mirror- more often than the mirror's out hear. Make your inner mirror your new home. were everything is OK.

[<8>]

"bows"


Here are more food for a though.

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Where to begin? Where to end? We start with an omnipresent point of silence that draws a line of thought that flowers into the fractal geometry of all things. Language may be considered the geometry of thought the more that one becomes aware of its impervious nature, language is thought and thought is language. Language structures thought just as much as it represents it. One cannot say that the language one uses is truly one's own for the very definition of oneself is sculpted by the mirroring of culture and experiences. It is like being given a tool to fashion new words and indeed new Worlds within and without. Everything one considers oneself to be is built from another thought, another word, another World. It begs the question who is I and who is I talking to? One might take I to be self-referent, but how can one be thinking I's thoughts if I is thinking oneself? The thinker is just a thought, mind is not thinker, it a thought by another thought. I is a story that has crystalized within a place and moment of spacetime. I am here, I am now, yet forever being washed away by awareness of new forms taking shape within and without.

This communication then is between a little self to a little self, but also between a little self to big Self and big Self to a little self. We dance an ambiguous dance alone together. Little self merges into big Self only to be swept away as big Self withdraws into division. Reality can only exist without so long as there remains a reality within, just as an observor cannot exist within lest there be an Observor without. I am a reality within Reality and Reality without a reality, an observer within the Observer and the Observer without an observor, a universe within the Universe and the Universe without a universe, a self within the Self and the Self without a self. Little self is active, is yang, big Self is passive, is yin. I am waking from dreaming and dreaming of waking. Like a dolphin that comes to wake the surface only to dive once more into the deep ocean of dreams, haunting oneself through ever expansive novel feelings and experiences. One transcends I only to be hypnotized by the unfolding majesty of cosmic complexity which begets another layer of I's transcendent tapestry. What is this motion that dissolves one's being, space and time? Is it an unspeakable delight of awe or a pervading existential nightmare that traps a mind within Mind? To awaken from being a puppet and find the puppetmaster only to discover evermore puppets in guise of the hand which is incessantly withdrawn. As the ancient Chinese expressed, the excess of yin is the birth of yang, just as the excess of yang is the birth of yin. I is splintered by the horrifying beauty of realizing that self and World are equivically equal and equally equivocal. The World dies, only for a new World to be born.

[ljwheat]

"bows"


Here are more food for a though.


:ranger: <8> WOW nice gem of a video, thanks - - - speachless :tape:

:jaw: - :boink: checked it out -- :hail::hail::hail: = :hungry: for more! "Nice find!"

John XXX

[RUSirius]

"bows"


Here are more food for a though.

uJf5wgF1_Ls

Where to begin? Where to end? We start with an omnipresent point of silence that draws a line of thought that flowers into the fractal geometry of all things. Language may be considered the geometry of thought the more that one becomes aware of its impervious nature, language is thought and thought is language. Language structures thought just as much as it represents it. One cannot say that the language one uses is truly one's own for the very definition of oneself is sculpted by the mirroring of culture and experiences. It is like being given a tool to fashion new words and indeed new Worlds within and without. Everything one considers oneself to be is built from another thought, another word, another World. It begs the question who is I and who is I talking to? One might take I to be self-referent, but how can one be thinking I's thoughts if I is thinking oneself? The thinker is just a thought, mind is not thinker, it a thought by another thought. I is a story that has crystalized within a place and moment of spacetime. I am here, I am now, yet forever being washed away by awareness of new forms taking shape within and without.

This communication then is between a little self to a little self, but also between a little self to big Self and big Self to a little self. We dance an ambiguous dance alone together. Little self merges into big Self only to be swept away as big Self withdraws into division. Reality can only exist without so long as there remains a reality within, just as an observor cannot exist within lest there be an Observor without. I am a reality within Reality and Reality without a reality, an observer within the Observer and the Observer without an observor, a universe within the Universe and the Universe without a universe, a self within the Self and the Self without a self. Little self is active, is yang, big Self is passive, is yin. I am waking from dreaming and dreaming of waking. Like a dolphin that comes to wake the surface only to dive once more into the deep ocean of dreams, haunting oneself through ever expansive novel feelings and experiences. One transcends I only to be hypnotized by the unfolding majesty of cosmic complexity which begets another layer of I's transcendent tapestry. What is this motion that dissolves one's being, space and time? Is it an unspeakable delight of awe or a pervading existential nightmare that traps a mind within Mind? To awaken from being a puppet and find the puppetmaster only to discover evermore puppets in guise of the hand which is incessantly withdrawn. As the ancient Chinese expressed, the excess of yin is the birth of yang, just as the excess of yang is the birth of yin. I is splintered by the horrifying beauty of realizing that self and World are equivically equal and equally equivocal. The World dies, only for a new World to be born.

<8> thanks for the contributions, you assist my mind in my mission.

[ljwheat]

Don Miguel Ruiz 4 Agreement = Ancient Toltec teachings

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John XXX

[ljwheat]

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[ljwheat]

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To follow the rest of this audio book click this link to the rest--- all the way to part 16.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ni6-WG-DV7g&feature=relmfu

John XXX

[ljwheat]

We have looked deeply into the 4 agreements and glimpsed the mechanic’s or the power of the (word) rather the word is (power) we have taken for granted and with complacency, sling words around with out coherency in there delivery let alone how they arise in our heads. Source, silent watcher, come out of the void of silence. Very mysterious indeed. Many labels, names, tags of religions, philosophies of men, the mind tends to shut out the message because it rejects the messenger, threw prejudice along the same lines. Often a messenger is killed just because of the color of the skin, language he speaks, more than not because it would put and end to another’s control over a body of people.

I am not religious but yet all religions have hidden truths, many children have voiced wisdom only to be belittled because of age. A good republic takes all information from all sources to make the right choices for the betterment of the body communities it serves. These are all known facts. Yet what happens when all that disappears in a flash, what shows up when all this so called world vanishes. This next You-tube video Mooji, tells a very compelling story in witch one is suddenly confronted with the real you, put yourself into this story feel into it deep, and you will come away with finally seeing the silent watcher, the you that you’ve forgotten is always there. It only works when you put on the shoe’s of the story. Enjoy. John XXX

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What will strip you back to this place beyond time and intention? What unfinished business is left to do before you can simply be your being? Its Nothing, Nothing, Nothing.
You birthed here complete, you are complete, and you will leave this shell complete. Silent watcher knows this, when will you see, you are the watcher watching a time line in the now. Complete in every way. Complete. nothing to do, Nothing, Nothing, nothing.

[ljwheat]

Here is another good video that talks about pointing at the silent watcher with John Wheeler points with words at what we are that has now words or labeles. John XXX

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46271-DEEPAK-CHOPRA-Revisited-rebooting-focus&p=507314&viewfull=1#post507314

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[ljwheat]

following this last video with John Wheeler this next session fits nicely with this one from Eckhart Tolle, we are already complete --- the human experiance is the distraction. we are more than the destraction arn't we? john xxx :tape2:

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[ljwheat]

This is a funny take on the completeness we are, just a little humor. LOL John

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[another bob]

"The source of consciousness cannot be an object in consciousness. To know the source is to be the source. When you realize that you are not the person, but the pure and calm witness, and that fearless awareness is your very being, you are the being. It is the source, the inexhaustible Possibility.

I am not my body, nor do I need it. I am the witness only. I have no shape of my own. You are so accustomed to think of yourself as bodies having consciousness that you just cannot imagine consciousness as having bodies. Once you realize that bodily existence is but a state of mind, a movement in consciousness, that the ocean of consciousness is infinite and eternal, and that, when in touch with consciousness, you are the witness only, you will be able to withdraw beyond consciousness altogether.

Do realize that it is not you who moves from dream to dream, but the dreams flow before you, and you are the immutable witness. No happening affects your real being - that is the absolute truth. The witness is not a person. The person comes into being when there is a basis for it, an organism, a body. In it, the absolute is reflected as awareness. Pure awareness becomes self-awareness. When there is a self, self-awareness is the witness. When there is no self to witness, there is no witnessing either.

It is all very simple; it is the presence of the person that complicates. See that there is no such thing as a permanently separate person and all becomes clear. Awareness, mind, matter - they are one reality in its two aspects as immovable and movable, and the three attributes of inertia, energy and harmony. Awareness becomes consciousness when it has an object. The object changes all the time. In consciousness there is movement; awareness by itself is motionless and timeless, here and now."

Nisargadatta Maharaj

[ljwheat]

"The source of consciousness cannot be an object in consciousness. To know the source is to be the source. When you realize that you are not the person, but the pure and calm witness, and that fearless awareness is your very being, you are the being. It is the source, the inexhaustible Possibility.

I am not my body, nor do I need it. I am the witness only. I have no shape of my own. You are so accustomed to think of yourself as bodies having consciousness that you just cannot imagine consciousness as having bodies. Once you realize that bodily existence is but a state of mind, a movement in consciousness, that the ocean of consciousness is infinite and eternal, and that, when in touch with consciousness, you are the witness only, you will be able to withdraw beyond consciousness altogether.

Do realize that it is not you who moves from dream to dream, but the dreams flow before you, and you are the immutable witness. No happening affects your real being - that is the absolute truth. The witness is not a person. The person comes into being when there is a basis for it, an organism, a body. In it, the absolute is reflected as awareness. Pure awareness becomes self-awareness. When there is a self, self-awareness is the witness. When there is no self to witness, there is no witnessing either.

It is all very simple; it is the presence of the person that complicates. See that there is no such thing as a permanently separate person and all becomes clear. Awareness, mind, matter - they are one reality in its two aspects as immovable and movable, and the three attributes of inertia, energy and harmony. Awareness becomes consciousness when it has an object. The object changes all the time. In consciousness there is movement; awareness by itself is motionless and timeless, here and now."

Nisargadatta Maharaj

WOW, Great find, BOB and timeless absolutely timeless. It is so simple once the human vanity is dropped. Unless you become as this little child-- you’ll not see your father who is in heaven. Ooops I should have put that in Red letter’s timeless. We did come here to play RIGHT? We just forgot how to watch ourselves play is all. John xxx

[Fred Steeves]

Quotes are great, but I prefer to hear of personal experience. I just happen to know from personal experience, that Bob has plenty of them that would be considered relevant to this conversation.

Getting lazy on us are you Bob? http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/images/smilies/newadditions/smile.gif

[ljwheat]

This is one of six video's simply priceless. thanks another Bob. Namaste. John xxx

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allso this too, a pointing at IS

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YES :hail:

[another bob]

Quotes are great, but I prefer to hear of personal experience. I just happen to know from personal experience, that Bob has plenty of them that would be considered relevant to this conversation.

Getting lazy on us are you Bob? http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/images/smilies/newadditions/smile.gif

Fred my Brother, you're a hard task master! LOL -- I'm a lazy sort, but you want to make me work!

OK, well here ya go, a snippet:


Growing up in San Francisco, with a fervent social worker activist for a mother, and a live-in grandmother who had been instrumental in founding the Women's Benefit Association (an early pre-cursor of the modern Women’s Movement dating back to the '30s), I was naturally inclined to a service orientation. With my own 7 years in a Catholic Seminary during the turbulent 1960’s, timed with the Second Vatican Council, when fresh voices within the church were speaking the Liberation Theology, I was moved to explore a fresh connotation to the service ideal that related directly to the oppressed and needy.

All around me swirled an immense energy of change, of consciousness re-inventing itself, wild, often conflicted, and vividly alive. For most, this all amounted to some kind of problem in need of a political solution, and plenty were suggested. I was more interested in the source of the dilemma, rather than the mere symptoms. I had I learned early on that any particular social manifestation was the play of dependent origination, a constituent component of a greater whole, and that’s the vision that beckoned me – the unified principle, the basis.

For a long time – ever since a dramatic experience at the age of 8 rocked my young mind – it seemed like everybody was performing. All were busy pretending to be students, protesters, cops, teacher/preachers, soldiers, radicals, politicians, talking TV heads, holy swamis, rabbis too, humans doing what they do, but the closer I looked, I could not find any enduring reality in this earnest charade. It was all a bit ridiculous, in fact, but what was I?

Was I the one who sent my draft deferment back to the draft board, naively accompanied by a love poem? Was I the one who, consequently, stood in front of that same board one evening, on the verge of being shipped off to Viet Nam, inquiring together on the real meaning of serving one's country? Was I the person classified then as a conscientious objector? Was I in fact any of the characters who subsequently went on to pursue the right action, the right service, in whatever way the dream moved, weaved, twisted and turned, or none of them, none of that at all? I didn't know, I wanted to find out, and so I delved deeper and deeper into the inquiry. The quest was not just for my own satisfaction, but I realized that, unless I was able to come to terms with what’s real, I could never hope to be of any true service, but merely compound delusion with more delusion.

Rather than providing me with answers and solutions, however, that inquiry methodically stripped away the pretense of knowledge itself, drilling down through the stratified layers of borrowed notions, subtle programs, and second-hand beliefs to the core story of “me” and “mine”. There is a pain that burns, when everything we once may have cherished is revealed to be illusion. I had to come to terms with that, to live unafraid in the unknown, to love, unafraid, in the unknown, regardless of current circumstances and conditions breezing across the dream screen. What’s eventually discovered, if we follow all the way through, is that Awareness alone remains, empty even of any emptiness -- both the origin and destination of the whole functioning totality of universal manifestation. Such a realization was still far beyond my ken, and the fullness of its recognition and consequent embodiment certainly still is, but “the journey of a thousand miles begins with the first step”, and how else would it or could it be?


When all the false self-identifications
are thrown away, what remains
is all-embracing love.

~ Nisargadatta Maharaj

[Shadowman]

Bhagavad Gita 13:30 One who can see that all activities are performed by the body, which is created of material nature, and sees that the Self does nothing, actually sees.

The "true light" is apparent in the absence of the shadow (ego/separate self). The shadow does not become the "light" source ie enlightened, for it is but a phenomenal manifestation, an illusion, caused by the obfuscation or obstruction of the pure light. The irony is however, that in order to point towards this awakening, the shadow self is necessary to communicate with other shadow self's, for few understand the most direct pointer ie silence.

And while the Self does not become enlightened, and does not need to "learn how to behave" (;) a'bob), a'bob is wise in suggesting, as did Buddha to the uninitiated, to act selflessly, for it is selfish actions which reinforce the bonds of the illusory shadow self.

And so Fred, the above comments are not from personal experience ;), but they are from direct realization, which is intrinsically difficult to convey in the confines of relative/rational language.

All is Well
tim

[ljwheat]

Bhagavad Gita 13:30 One who can see that all activities are performed by the body, which is created of material nature, and sees that the Self does nothing, actually sees.

The "true light" is apparent in the absence of the shadow (ego/separate self). The shadow does not become the "light" source ie enlightened, for it is but a phenomenal manifestation, an illusion, caused by the obfuscation or obstruction of the pure light. The irony is however, that in order to point towards this awakening, the shadow self is necessary to communicate with other shadow self's, for few understand the most direct pointer ie silence.

And while the Self does not become enlightened, and does not need to "learn how to behave" (;) a'bob), a'bob is wise in suggesting, as did Buddha to the uninitiated, to act selflessly, for it is selfish actions which reinforce the bonds of the illusory shadow self.

And so Fred, the above comments are not from personal experience ;), but they are from direct realization, which is intrinsically difficult to convey in the confines of relative/rational language.

All is Well
tim

Thank you Tim, timeless ------ words fail me. feeling watcher watch me feel. John xxx its like looking into one of those infinity mirror's.

[Shadowman]

Hi John,

You might enjoy my post #82, if you haven't yet seen it, on the Christ matrix thread...

As you gaze into the spoon, so the spoon gazes into you, until the reflection merges with the source...

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With Love/ All is Well
tim

[Sebastion]

This is superb stuff AB and is spot on to what I myself see, as the silent watcher. Having had a lucid ream experience with this aspect recently, I am exploring it more deeply as there is more to know and understand. I find this particular aspect fascinating to the utmost!




"The source of consciousness cannot be an object in consciousness. To know the source is to be the source. When you realize that you are not the person, but the pure and calm witness, and that fearless awareness is your very being, you are the being. It is the source, the inexhaustible Possibility.

I am not my body, nor do I need it. I am the witness only. I have no shape of my own. You are so accustomed to think of yourself as bodies having consciousness that you just cannot imagine consciousness as having bodies. Once you realize that bodily existence is but a state of mind, a movement in consciousness, that the ocean of consciousness is infinite and eternal, and that, when in touch with consciousness, you are the witness only, you will be able to withdraw beyond consciousness altogether.

Do realize that it is not you who moves from dream to dream, but the dreams flow before you, and you are the immutable witness. No happening affects your real being - that is the absolute truth. The witness is not a person. The person comes into being when there is a basis for it, an organism, a body. In it, the absolute is reflected as awareness. Pure awareness becomes self-awareness. When there is a self, self-awareness is the witness. When there is no self to witness, there is no witnessing either.

It is all very simple; it is the presence of the person that complicates. See that there is no such thing as a permanently separate person and all becomes clear. Awareness, mind, matter - they are one reality in its two aspects as immovable and movable, and the three attributes of inertia, energy and harmony. Awareness becomes consciousness when it has an object. The object changes all the time. In consciousness there is movement; awareness by itself is motionless and timeless, here and now."

Nisargadatta Maharaj

[Jenci]

There is a pain that burns, when everything we once may have cherished is revealed to be illusion.

I echo that and wanted to turn back because of that pain but like a moth to a flame I was drawn to more of the same burning.
Jeanette




You don't have to understand.
Some is moving than deeper
than usual understanding.

This is the presence of Grace itself.
No one can understand Grace.
You can only say:
"Thank you. Thank you. Thank you that you've
picked me up, and that you burn me!"

Camphor burns; it leaves no residue.
This burning too will leave no residue.

Don't leave anything unburnt.

Mooji - Breath of the Absolute

[another bob]

This is superb stuff AB and is spot on to what I myself see, as the silent watcher. Having had a lucid ream experience with this aspect recently, I am exploring it more deeply as there is more to know and understand. I find this particular aspect fascinating to the utmost!

A bit more for you then:


M: Nothing stops you but preoccupation with the outer which prevents you from focusing the inner. It cannot be helped, you cannot skip your sadhana. You have to turn away from the world and go within, until the inner and the outer merge and you can go beyond the conditioned, whether inner or outer.

Q: Surely, the unconditioned is merely an idea in the conditioned mind. By itself it has no existence.

M: By itself nothing has existence. Everything needs its own absence. To be, is to be here and not there, to be now and not then, to be thus and not otherwise. Like water is shaped by the container, so is everything determined by the (gunas). As water remains water regardless of the vessels, as light remains itself regardless of the colors it brings out, so does the real remain real, regardless of conditions in which it is reflected. Why keep the reflection only in the focus of consciousness? Why not the real itself?

Q: Consciousness itself is a reflection. How can it hold the real?

M: To know that consciousness and its content are but reflections, changeful and transient, is the focusing of the real. The refusal to see the snake in the rope is the necessary condition for seeing the rope.

Q: Only necessary, or also sufficient?

M: One must also know that a rope exists and looks like a snake. Similarly, one must know that the real exists and is of the nature of witness-consciousness. Of course it is beyond the witness, but to enter it one must first realize the state of pure witnessing. The awareness of conditions brings one to the unconditioned.

Q: Can the unconditioned be experienced?

M: To know the conditioned as conditioned is all that can be said about the unconditioned. Positive terms are mere hints and misleading.

Q: Can we talk of witnessing the real?

M: How can we? We can only talk of the unreal, the illusory, the transient, the conditioned. To go beyond, we must pass through total negation of everything as having independent existence. All things depend.

Q: On what do they depend?

M: On consciousness. And consciousness depends on the witness.

Q: And the witness depends on the real?

M: The witness is the reflection of the real in all its purity. It depends on the condition of the mind. Where clarity and detachment predominate, the witness-consciousness comes into being. It is just like saying that where the water is clear and quiet, the image of the moon appears. Or like daylight that appears as sparkle in the diamond.

Q: Can there be consciousness without the witness?

M: Without the witness it becomes unconsciousness, just living. The witness is latent in every state of consciousness, just like light in every color. There can be no knowledge without the knower and no knower without his witness. Not only you know, but you know that you know.

~ Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj, from "I Am That"

[Sebastion]

Thank you most kindly blessed Bob, read and concur completely. By the way, do I get to add a "SRI" to my avatar now? lol

[another bob]

There is a pain that burns, when everything we once may have cherished is revealed to be illusion.

I echo that and wanted to turn back because of that pain but like a moth to a flame I was drawn to more of the same burning.


This exquisite flower of life blooms from the same source into which it rots and returns, a mothering soil that unfailingly will receive her own, the polished-off petals and leaves of itself, all fallen into itself, not comprehending any beginning or end of itself.

The temple of mindless presence where this ritual of dreamy blooming and wilting is performed cannot be attended to by thought, memory, feeling, or imagination.

Such kindling of the mind is just fuel for the fire that the heart patiently tends at an inner altar, submitted at last for the sake of all burning beings.

Everything I’ve told myself was spoken by a liar -- what’s fit to burn when the breath goes out has yearned for just this fire.

The greater the resistance born from deception, the hotter that flame will burn.

I feed this fire to find out just how much of what I thought was myself, truly is.

These ashes speak for themselves. What more is there to burn?

I look into my own mind.

Wherever attention rests, I just experience that, and notice how all of it turns to ash, in the same way no thought really lasts.

Resting deeply in what remains, the desperate drive to know, to gain control, mercifully evaporates when the fire at last has its way.

The fragrant ash from this immolation ceremony permeates the welcoming earth, nourishing seedlings with no roots in the known.

And as I waken into this, the life I can no more resist, all dreams wash clear and yield themselves, and from that ash a flower blossoms open into light.

[johnf]

I don't spend much time reading the threads here much anymore since I decided to delve more into this particular subject. I have seen many videos posted here and fb, and elswhere, that have helped me get closer to a practice that works for me . However someone posted a video interveiw with Scott Filoby sometime back that seemed to spark a lack of interest in all the conspiracy/conflict type of stuff that gets discussed here, and a faith that there really was a way for "me" to get closer to this unity, non duality thing. I personally have found the term watcher to be misleading as what people seem to discover is that there isn't really a watcher at all just a veiw. I first rediscovered this idea, and got the words to consistently point to it from a book called Doing Nothing, the end of the spiritual search, by Steven Harrison. Then i saw Scott's interview where the phrases end of the spiritual search, and end of seeking were used a lot. This led to many hours of watching many different people on youtube talk about their experiences with non duality/unity, and i feel that these videos can transmit or remind us of this underlying reality. I had a lot of experiences of this while watching Lisa Cairns staring silently into the cam, much like the Carey video posted above. Well there you go my first post in a long time ,and the most amount of thread reading I have done in a while. Thanks to all who have helped.

[Jenci]

Hi John and thank you for the thread, I've just caught up on it.

I've picked out a couple of quotes of yours where you talk about watching the watcher and seeing the watcher.





Hi John,

I really love you posts and threads lately.
You're on fire!


As far as I am concerned the silent watcher is in reality, your own god-consciousness/awareness.

Can you watch the silent watcher?

Can you be what you can observe?

Wakytweaky, wow, nice pointing with your questions its the direction of aware of the awareness. Yes, and Yes to both. Watching silent watcher is probably the easiest why to see watcher is in nature,


This next You-tube video Mooji, tells a very compelling story in witch one is suddenly confronted with the real you, put yourself into this story feel into it deep, and you will come away with finally seeing the silent watcher, the you that you’ve forgotten is always there. It only works when you put on the shoe’s of the story. Enjoy. John XXX



It's not easy putting this subject into words and I have hestiated to write this because there are so many subtleties here. I will try to not overcomplicate things and if I am or confusing the issue, then please just disregard.

Sometimes we can all understand things differently but it appears to me from your writing that the silent watcher is the term you are using for the Source but you are also talking about "seeing the watcher".

In other words you are talking about something "seeing"(A) seeing something else (B) "the watcher".

If "the watcher" (B) is the source, then what is "seeing" (A) which comes prior to it?

You mention Mooji. Mooji has a chapter in his book Breath of the Absolute called My Final Question.



He says:
Can you, the Perceiver, be seen? If I only had one question, I would ask you this, and I will keep asking you this. It is so potent a question that you could forget everything else you have ever heard or studied, and it would lead you Home.

To relate it to what I said above. He is talking about the Perceiver. The Perceiver is (A) which perceives (B) and he is asking if (A) can be seen.

And for Fred who likes experiences as well as quotes :p I enquired with this question for a very long time - I am talking months. There's a clue in the Nisargadatta quote above from anotherbob where he says "The person comes into being when there is a basis for it, an organism, a body. In it, the absolute is reflected as awareness."

When Mooji says that he will keep asking you the question he means that because if you answer the question, you still need to enquire with the question.

The question itself will lead you Home but it will burn deep in doing so.

Jeanette

[Fred Steeves]

And for Fred who likes experiences as well as quotes :p I enquired with this question for a very long time - I am talking months. There's a clue in the Nisargadatta quote above from anotherbob where he says "The person comes into being when there is a basis for it, an organism, a body. In it, the absolute is reflected as awareness."

When Mooji says that he will keep asking you the question he means that because if you answer the question, you still need to enquire with the question.

The question itself will lead you Home but it will burn deep in doing so.


Ah yes Jenci, getting right down into the nitty gritty, I like that. And of course "The Question" seems to pop up a lot in these circles doesn't it? My memory is still very clear on one of my initial promptings to begin the journey in this bizarre direction.

Around 15 or so years ago, our local Unitarian Universalist Church used to run a big ad in the Sunday paper that I seemed to always "stumble"(ha ha) across. It was very simple, a picture of the minister saying: "To question is the answer". That's it, short and sweet. Of course for years I saw that, and liked it, but couldn't quite grasp where it was really going. Thinking back now, it was very similar to Neo's "thorn" in his mind: "Always question Fred, always question! Whatever you do, question!"

Simplicity... "To Question Is The Answer". Gotta love it! http://www.bigtenfever.com/forums/images/smilies/cheers.gif

[Falcor]

lots of different words are used to try and get across this understanding. it is my belief that this is for the adept seeker to truly understand


i briefly touched on the bhagavad gita yesterday (it was literally given to me on the street, i reckon a good sign i should read it :))



the absolute truth is found in three ways of understanding.
Brahman - the impersonal self
Paramatma - the localized aspect of the supreme within the heart of all living entities
Bhagavan - the supreme personality godhead

a bit more in depth from the egyptian teachings i have read

The creator in man is man's own self whose last manifestation, farthest from his own centre, is his little "I", his personal "I-consciousness". The personal "I" within him is the image of god mirrored by matter- in the body. Thus when man seeks to return to god and re-establish his identity with him he must follow the same path with his consciousness: he must draw his consciousness more and more from his own little personal "I"-deeper and deeper into himself- turning to his own true self, to his creator, until he conciously recognizes himself in him. But this doesnt mean that the creature--the person--recognizes itself in this condition. As an imaginary being, it has no true existence and cannot achieve self knowledge. On the contrary, the creator recognizes himself in the created, in the person. This is the only possibility for over coming the state of separation and bringing back the consciousness into the state of unity: the individual stops thinking about himself and instead becomes himself, recognizes himself. In this condition, the recognizer, the recognized, and the recognition are one and the same. the self--the creator--recognizes its self in itself!

Man can only experience God in this way. This is resurrection! In this state he recognizes that his own self has created him and is constantly creating him, hence that his own self is his creator. He likewise realizes that the one and only self is the creator of the entire universe. As a result of this divine self-recognition he simultaneously experiences the creative cosmic all consciousness. At the same time as he achieves self-recognition, he achieves recognition of everything, omniscience!

This divine state in which the creator recognizes himself may also be expressed symbolically by numbers: God in his state of resting within himself is 1 in 3 and 3 in 1. 1 and 3 are still an unseparated unity

In the field of geometry, the form of the equilateral triangle is the symbolic image of god in which the recognizer, the recognized, and the recognition are one and the same: 1 in 3 and 3 in 1

[Shadowman]

Well said Jen. Generally seekers first experience the witness state, Turiya, which still carries with it the sense of a separate I, even where that I is distinct from all that is observable. So this is then often described as "seeing" the watcher, where "seeing" the watcher means being "it" rather than what they previously identified with ie the body/mind that the watcher observes. Which in itself is a deeply profound experience.

Beyond even this is Turiyatita, where the knower/knowing/known, the witness and the witnessed, nirvana and samsara, "merge" and any sense of separation dissipates. Here there is no longer any sense of a distinct I, it is the impersonal Brahman. Yet this is often misunderstood as nihilism, or void in the negative sense, which is entirely erroneous. While no word or concept can do justice to that, "I" use the term Self, as have many others, as there is the overwhelmingly direct sense of presence or existence, together with indescribable bliss and peace, far more profound than even the witness state.

Namaste
tim

[ljwheat]

My earliest encounter with (silent watcher) insert any label your comfortable with, as what I felt was not a definition or words.

I became in an instant the feeling -- was complete -- all knowing.-- Define less -- at the crisp age of 2 = 2 - ½ yrs of age before, indoctrination, domestication, pet slave to consumerism, forced vaccinated, coursed induced monkey see monkey do society.

Two older brothers 7 yrs older than I. Mother sick all the time self imposed sympathy seeker. Dad works 8 to 5 factory worker, living on a small vegetable truck farm 5 Acer strip of land. Veggie stand at road side for extra cash.

Pretty much left to my own devices no one wanted me around just to young for the families well established life style’s when I came along. Except for my best friend “BOOTS” collie dog. "We did everything together."

One day my brother’s at school, mom sick in bed, dad at work, Me and my friend decided to go to the back of the property were the tree line started. This is were there was a short path back to the sand pits. An area filled with sand doon’s and several natural ponds, spring fed.

The fields were freshly plowed on a sunny spring day, off to the sand ponds with my friend “BOOTS” I’m really not sure how long we were back there playing in the water, but at one spot along the bank squatting down watching some tad pole’s.

I reached down and scooped one up in a little pool of water in my little hand it was small in small hands.

Anyway I started to feel it moving in my hand, and feeling it suck in water to breath. I turned it over and could see threw the transparent belly skin its little tinny heart beating, and its stomach and lower intestines,-- flipping its tail, and righting itself, I was looking into its tinny eye’s --- at that moment-- everything-- in my little world stopped --noises,-- thinking --(not much at that age)-- I was aware of myself holding myself-- close enough to see me looking down at myself --as a tad pole,-- and the tad pole looking at-- and holding its self all at the same moment in time,-- I turned and looked at “Boots” and I was looking at me holding a tad pole looking at me from “Boots”eyes.

Standing up seeing my self stand up from two different angles. WOW self seeing self, seeing self. all at the same moment seperit and as all oneself. :doh:

Then out of the sky there came the sound of a swish at the same time lighting pain on the back side of my little leg’s.

Mom noticing I was no were to be found went looking and saw a pair of little shoe prints next to four paw prints leading towards the back of the property in the freshly plowed field. Pausing long enough to rip a branch off a weeping willow tree, that definition is correct i might add. Switched me all the way back to the house.

Now that I think back on it, why didn’t “boots” worn me my mother was approaching. Was “Boots” caught up in the same out of space time awareness as me and the tad pole, totally mesmerized? Till impacted LOL.

Anyway that was my earliest encounter with well YOU try and put a name on it, I’m still trying, the feeling into and the feeling looking back into myself from myself as a tad pole and as a dog. Twilight Zone stuff right?

And in the 50’s and 60’s you didn’t talk about stuff like that, at least I didn’t. -dont speak unless spoken too and all that plus my vocabulary wasn't much a 2.

So I know first hand-- that-- I am everything,- in everything,- being everything all at the same time. There are no words as it was a feeling and seeing omnipresent plural-- like falling,--- no more like moving into or on itself-- expanding-- no sense of boundary’s-- I didn’t know these terms back then and can only apply them now in retrospect.

Reliving that few moments, I have to let go of all the crap of this world and its endless noise. But when it pops and I enter that silent feeling zone. My head rushes out of me, that sense of falling starts to happen and my analytical mind ego pulls me back more offen than i want.

This is why I joined Avalon and started so many treads pointing at this --- this -- I don’t know-- wind --I become --that can move in all directions at once, feel everything at once, know everything at once. Words run from this --feeling-- or becoming when it begins to happen. And am left empty handed yet again.

I was the see’er, No I mean I am Seeing, always have and will. I am there --and yet in the world. Koo koo stuff right?:doh: John xxx

[Shadowman]

"Koo koo stuff right?"

No John, Kensho/Satori, and beautifully described. Straight from the heart, with sublime humility. Thanks for sharing,

In Deep Respect/Namaste
tim

[ljwheat]

Jenci

In other words you are talking about something "seeing"(A) seeing something else (B) "the watcher".

If "the watcher" (B) is the source, then what is "seeing" (A) which comes prior to it?


Yes I use this silent watcher only as a why to point at this (A) thingy’-- source, higher power, God, IS, Beingness, all these label’s can only point at what is seen in silent feeling of the labels.

Searching this planet since time began in this 3D realm will never find this, stepping into the heart time space witnessing sight threw silent feeling, once threw that door way of words is so expansive ---- words do not exist--those are left behind in an awareness of its awareness, the VAIL is in my opinion is the magnetism and gravity of words, that keeps us locked out of entering this expanse at will.

And using words to even point at this freedom outside of the word world we live in or cell. Is like adding another coat of stucco to the walls of that cell we walk around with.

Letting that cell drop away is the hardest mind trap there is. Because it has nothing to do with the mind, mind is the see’er, outside of that is the awareness of feeling all of it at once the knower of all thing. Its like watching a sleep walker with there eye’s closed standing at the counter making a sandwich at two in the morning, you’re the watcher there the see’er, seeing the sandwich and how great its going to taste, and totally asleep. The watcher you see and understand the person making the sandwich, seeing its dark out side, seeing the clock ticking away totally aware of seeing and watching everything all at once. The sleepwalker is 3D.

The watcher is outside this sleepwalking Vail, and when your there and are now, just asleep you feel everything in existence you feel so big nothing can contain you. The word you doesn’t even apply at that point you are everything In that awareness feeling completely free from even the word Free. Again pointing at this chases it away-- as pointing is part of the word VAIL as well.

Falling with out end, expanding, sensing the expansion with out the confining definitions and boundary’s have to fall away to wake up to infinity awareness 3D just doesn’t have enough space to do it. that’s were the saying dieing to the world your born again, Means for me. Its not a void, or comatose, unawareness coma some want to put in, that little box to be examined or point at its just to big even for the known universe to hold it.

And sometimes the watcher taps on the shoulder of the sandwich maker and says “shhhhh enjoy your sandwich all is well I have your back.” John xxx

[another bob]

And sometimes the watcher taps on the shoulder of the sandwich maker and says “shhhhh enjoy your sandwich all is well I have your back.” John xxx

Thanks so much, John, for your revelations -- much appreciated as you share your discoveries and experiences in this adventure in consciousness!

Blessings to All Explorers!

[Jenci]

Well said Jen. Generally seekers first experience the witness state, Turiya, which still carries with it the sense of a separate I, even where that I is distinct from all that is observable. So this is then often described as "seeing" the watcher, where "seeing" the watcher means being "it" rather than what they previously identified with ie the body/mind that the watcher observes. Which in itself is a deeply profound experience.




Yes it is Tim. When this separation occurs and we go from being the person that we always were to being a watcher watching or a witness witnessing it can be very liberating and feel joyful.

At this stage the mind/ego has been caught out as it is no longer the identity of the person. It can either die a death or it can survive, so it will do everything it can to survive.

It's cunning and sneaky and will often take the back door route back to being the identity of the person. It will latch onto the wonderful liberating sense of awakening and will become the watcher/witness/Self hanging out there in disguise.

The person can be completely unaware that this switch has happened but this is where self enquiry comes in as our tool to search our the mind/ego in disguise and shine the light on it.

Enquiry takes discipline and sincerity. It can be exhausting catching the mind/ego out and then finding out it has sneaked back in somewhere else straight away in disguise again but with diligence and asking the right questions eventually something starts to learn and although the mind/ego will still try to play the game, it won't get to fool the Self anymore.

All of this happens in the right time. It may take many months or years for the realisation to complete but what we can do is help the process by putting in the work to reveal the truth.

In terms of this discussion and the self enquiry that I am talking about, if I was to have the thought that I can see the watcher, my first response would be to ask myself the question "what sees it?"


Jeanette

[Jenci]

I don't spend much time reading the threads here much anymore since I decided to delve more into this particular subject. I have seen many videos posted here and fb, and elswhere, that have helped me get closer to a practice that works for me . However someone posted a video interveiw with Scott Filoby sometime back that seemed to spark a lack of interest in all the conspiracy/conflict type of stuff that gets discussed here, and a faith that there really was a way for "me" to get closer to this unity, non duality thing.

Hi John,

I find that my interest moves and changes. Sometimes I am interested in spiritual subjects, other times I am back into conspiracy topics. Either way something much deeper is happening. I have learned to get out of the way, go with the flow and just allow my interest to take me where I need to be.





I personally have found the term watcher to be misleading as what people seem to discover is that there isn't really a watcher at all just a veiw.
I first rediscovered this idea, and got the words to consistently point to it from a book called Doing Nothing, the end of the spiritual search, by Steven Harrison.

That's very good. There is always more to be revealed and what might appear very real at first may turn out to be illusion with further seeking and enquiry.....and eventually the search will end.




Then i saw Scott's interview where the phrases end of the spiritual search, and end of seeking were used a lot. This led to many hours of watching many different people on youtube talk about their experiences with non duality/unity, and i feel that these videos can transmit or remind us of this underlying reality.
I found Scott interesting too. There was a lot in his story that I related to. He conveys the message very well. :)

[ljwheat]

Bumping this thread I would like to introduce this wonderful soul named Mooji. This thread has given me much joy the few days that it was alive and running, so to revisit that joy, here is a heart felt gift for us all. :bump:

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