There will be no sweet happy endings.

[seigiarchon]

I can assure you that there will be no sweet happy endings. :wizard:

[scootiep]

Row row row your boat gently down the stream,

Merrily merrily merrily merrily life is but a dream.

[markpierre]

I can assure you that there will be no sweet happy endings. :wizard:


Maybe not. Nightmares usually 'end', when you wake up.

But the worst you'll be is embarrassed.

[Eagle Eye]

http://www.wordans.com/wvc-1312336102/wordansfiles/images/2011/8/2/91611/91611_340.jpg

[Fred Steeves]

I can assure you that there will be no sweet happy endings. :wizard:

Duly noted, thanks for the heads up.

[Wind]

It's up to you how the story of your life will continue. It never ends.

[heyokah]

Happy endings are stories that haven't ended yet.

On the other hand, when my torture will be ended, I will be very happy (LOL...?)

[observer]

I live very near a big casino town in New Jersey. There are many massage parlors, and unusual services available in this town.

A massage with a 'happy ending' has a special meaning, here.

I guess it all has to do with what kind of an ending you seek.... ;)

Research Link:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=happy+ending

[doodah]

Mods, there is no point to this thread other than sowing negative thoughts.

Thanks to the Avalonians who have not taken the bait.

Ask and you shall receive. What was it that you wanted?

Peace,
~ Doodah

[annieVee]

I wont even try to understand the significance of this threat, seems kind of pointless and distracting.

[PurpleLama]

I can assure you that there will be no sweet happy endings. :wizard:

Do you have any evidence of this? :ufo:

[9eagle9]

Some days have a happy ending, and some don't. All I can say they do end and its up to us to decide the next day how the one following will end. And things seem to turn on a dime these days.

Life is a series of happy and unhappy endings, but an ending is always another door opening unless we are all standing around collectively staring at a dead end. If we are ....then there's certainly enough of us standing at the dead end to have a party.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Such a good point! Some hours have a happy ending. Some minutes.

Write4change, I'm sure you can appreciate the aikido performed on this thread.

I love it when I see this.

We are agents of transformation.


Some days have a happy ending, and some don't. All I can say they do end and its up to us to decide the next day how the one following will end. And things seem to turn on a dime these days.

Life is a series of happy and unhappy endings, but an ending is always another door opening unless we are all standing around collectively staring at a dead end. If we are ....then there's certainly enough of us standing at the dead end to have a party.

[modwiz]

I live very near a big casino town in New Jersey. There are many massage parlors, and unusual services available in this town.

A massage with a 'happy ending' has a special meaning, here.

I guess it all has to do with what kind of an ending you seek.... ;)

Research Link:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=happy+ending

As a massage therapist, I am always sad to see a conflation of the professions of massage/bodywork and prostitution. I resent prostitution hiding in my profession, although I have no issue with that profession. I rarely see the word massage 'parlor' anywhere except in speech, like in this post. So, I wonder if the terminology is used in signwork.

The women in my profession are bedeviled by the pigs who seem to be unable to differentiate between a massage therapist and a whore. Many of these pigs have wives too and they will go on to raise piglets.

From that point of observation, happy endings for the population become more difficult to achieve. The pigs and sheep all around us do sadden me, but they have not extinguished my hope and projection for a better future.

That is to say, I do not agree with the OP.

[markpierre]

Mods, there is no point to this thread other than sowing negative thoughts.

Thanks to the Avalonians who have not taken the bait.

Ask and you shall receive. What was it that you wanted?

Peace,
~ Doodah

Have a look at all the interesting things that are sprouting from those seeds. That's the point of the thread as far as I can tell.
'Avalonians' aren't necessarily special or more in tune or more true.
Anyone looking at these threads do it because they're ready for something new. The OP is old thinking, and I'm inspired by the contrast.
And I know enough of seigiarchon to not question the intent.
Is it unAvalonian?, or just revealing us to ourselves?
What the hell is an Avalonian anyway? A seemingly bigger box?

[ozlemer]

Is there an end??

[dreamer]

Um.... what a bummer, (dreamer quietly asks himself why he even clicked on this thread...)

[observer]

[....snip]

[....snip]
That is to say, I do not agree with the OP.

Nor, do I agree with the OP, modwiz.

We all have our own unique way of expressing our dissatisfaction with what the OP is suggesting....

The fact prostitution hides in the profession of bodywork, remains a fact. There's nothing one can do about this. On the seedy side of town is where you will find it, just as with the OP's suggestion. Applying this 'prostitution concept' to what seigiarchon is suggesting in his opening remark seemed to me, most appropriate.

[Kindred]

Such a good point! Some hours have a happy ending. Some minutes.

Write4change, I'm sure you can appreciate the aikido performed on this thread.

I love it when I see this.

We are agents of transformation.


Some days have a happy ending, and some don't. All I can say they do end and its up to us to decide the next day how the one following will end. And things seem to turn on a dime these days.

Life is a series of happy and unhappy endings, but an ending is always another door opening unless we are all standing around collectively staring at a dead end. If we are ....then there's certainly enough of us standing at the dead end to have a party.

In this vein...

seigiarchon; "I can assure you that there will be no sweet happy endings."

Rest assured... every ending is but the initiation of a new Beginning...

I See That There Will be Wondrous Magical Beginnings!

In Unity, Peace and LOVE

[kreagle]

Hmmmmmm,...........

One thread reads,......"There will be sweet happy endings"

"This one" reads,......."There will be no sweet happy endings"

Hmmmmmm,............

I "think" that I will choose to be "happy"!!! The Apostle Paul followed this line of "thinking", too.

Acts 26:2
King James Version (KJV)

2 I think myself happy, king Agrippa, because I shall answer for myself this day before thee touching all the things whereof I am accused of the Jews:

Hearts, that are programmed correctly, produce wonderful results!

Proverbs 23:7
King James Version (KJV)

7 For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he;........

Love and Peace,.........kreagle

[seigiarchon]

What did the lessons of life teach me?

Humanity will never change and evolve until their suffering is too painful for their human egos to bear.

I think God had shut down the "sweet, happy and easy" road for good.

PS My weatherman predicted a sunny day for me today but this morning had turned out dreary. :closed:

[Whiskey_Mystic]

What did the lessons of life teach me?

Humanity will never change and evolve until their suffering is too painful for their human egos to bear.

I think God had shut down the "sweet, happy and easy" road for good.

PS My weatherman predicted a sunny day for me today but this morning had turned out dreary. :closed:


For some, they need density in order to rise like a bubble. Others are able to do it with less suffering to motivate them.

God never had the key to the sweet, happy, easy road. That lies within each of us.

[9eagle9]

The ego loves suffering so you have a long time to wait.

The ego perpetrates suffering so you have a long time to wait.

So the ego can suffer and the spirit can soar, my ego's issues are not my issues.

The ego revels in dishing suffering out, it revels even in attacking itself.

The ego knows its not a victim but a self perpetrator of suffering.


there' a lot of be said about ****ty beginnings that end happily.

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Yes keep in mind if something ends happily for you, you surely must have ****ed something up somewhere down the line ;) :p



I can assure you that there will be no sweet happy endings. :wizard:

Duly noted, thanks for the heads up.

[RMorgan]

Humanity will never change and evolve until their suffering is too painful for their human egos to bear.

Unfortunately, I have to agree with that.

I haven´t seen any signs that people really want make the hard sacrifices that are so necessary to achieve a substantial global change.

I see a lot of people talking about change while drinking cola-cola and driving their cars on the way to the bank, sometimes even writing on internet forums from their iphones.

If you look to the occupy wall street pictures, you´ll see lots of people complaining about corporations, while using nike shoes, adidas hoodies, eating mcdonalds, listening to music from their ipods and blogging from their apple notebooks.

It´s impossible to change the world if you don´t change yourself first and, judging for the mass behavior, people don´t want to do that.

Real change is never comfortable and people don´t like the idea of abdicating comfort.

Change doesn´t accept hypocrisy but, hypocrisy, with a little makeup, may disguise itself as change very well.

Cheers,

Raf.

[markpierre]

How are you feeling these days, in this process of both confronting and encouraging challenges and changes?

Increasingly enlightened? Less moody and emotional or volatile? A little more in control of your reactions and judgements?

That might help you sort out the possibilities, or not be so fussed about whatever happens. Dispassion is the remarkable thing about real compassion.

Fear is the enemy, and it resides inside. It doesn't need to change on the outside. Fearful images are and can remain the measure of your progress.

You really can stay in love at the scene of an accident. In fact, that's the job.

[RMorgan]

How are you feeling these days, in this process of both confronting and encouraging challenges and changes?

Increasingly enlightened? Less moody and emotional or volatile? A little more in control of your reactions and judgements?

That might help you sort out the possibilities, or not be so fussed about whatever happens. Dispassion is the remarkable thing about real compassion.

Fear is the enemy, and it resides inside. It doesn't need to change on the outside. Fearful images are and can remain the measure of your progress.

You really can stay in love at the scene of an accident. In fact, that's the job.

Hey mate,

Love is a feeling that, in order to be brought to real life, needs to be accompanied by actions.

If you combine love with courage, then you have a good recipe for change.

Just like when you combine fear with cowardice, you have a good recipe for failure.

When you combine love with laziness to act, you have a perfect recipe for deception.

Cheers,

Raf.

[gripreaper]

Some rabbit holes are just better not to jump down them...

https://i.chzbgr.com/completestore/12/5/21/H-Lfbn9ql0ut3uG6lJ8enQ2.gif

[the_vast_mystery]

Humanity will never change and evolve until their suffering is too painful for their human egos to bear.

Unfortunately, I have to agree with that.

I haven´t seen any signs that people really want make the hard sacrifices that are so necessary to achieve a substantial global change.

I see a lot of people talking about change while drinking cola-cola and driving their cars on the way to the bank, sometimes even writing on internet forums from their iphones.

If you look to the occupy wall street pictures, you´ll see lots of people complaining about corporations, while using nike shoes, adidas hoodies, eating mcdonalds, listening to music from their ipods and blogging from their apple notebooks.

It´s impossible to change the world if you don´t change yourself first and, judging for the mass behavior, people don´t want to do that.

Real change is never comfortable and people don´t like the idea of abdicating comfort.

Change doesn´t accept hypocrisy but, hypocrisy, with a little makeup, may disguise itself as change very well.

Cheers,

Raf.

This reminds me of a debate I had with a Vegan friend of mine over a long period of sporadic conversations. I explained to her very bluntly that no amount of moralizing, preaching, etc. is ever going to reach the average person. They do not see animals as in any way resembling themselves or related to themselves. Regardless of whether or not this is true, regardless of whether or not you can prove equivalence with facts and scientific studies, you simply cannot force people to make that emotional connection to another species if it isn't already there. So if you want to ever think about making Veganism work on this planet, you have to work with people's attitudes. They like the taste/texture of meat, but generally dislike or are indifferent to the suffering that goes into their meals. They like the act of eating meat, just not the suffering that goes into that action; instead of working on making people feel guilty for eating meat, a better strategy is to make vegan substitutes as close to actual meat product as physically possible. At that point, people will automatically shift their behavior because you've allowed them to do it without significant cost to them.

To use that as a more direct analogue to the general world situation. There will be no revolution until enough people simply have no money and nothing else to lose. It's just a part of the human condition to expect people to maximize their comfort. The only reason activists are any different is that their comfort is determined by a grander series of social values not shared by those sitting on the couch. To an activist the shame of doing nothing makes doing nothing, literally, more painful than acting out and trying to change things. The activist therefore is in fact not different from the couch sitter, merely that the activist has experienced a life that instilled different responsibilities and different values. You are not going to motivate people to do what you want by shaming them for doing nothing, because it's still far easier for them to remove the factors that cause your words to convey to them a sense of shame than for them to risk going out and doing something big. If you want people to get up off of the couch you need to encourage them with benefits, encourage them with promises of a better life. You basically need to convey a belief that while significant initial hurdles may be faced that they will assuredly find themselves better off in say, two, or five years, by their own standards, if they act now. This of course needs to be followed with a lot of instruction and support work to get people into their new roles. People need to feel certain of what they're getting into.

Either way, it requires the dedicated people to stop judging and shaming the people on the couch and instead get together and become the pioneers of the final organization to get people off of the couch. When you view people through the lens of "lazy bastards that don't care" then you're already shooting yourself in the foot. More often than not these people have so much stress in their lives (Stress is highly subjective, just because you have experienced vastly different lives does not change the fact that dissimilar events can provoke the exact same physiological and psychological stress response. I.E. someone with social anxiety disorder and has had an easy life can experience as much or even more stress than a marine with PTSD due to combat trauma, depending on particulars of either case. By judging stressfulness based on external life circumstances we unfortunately miss this equivalence can exist.) because of their uncertain economic situation that until they hit that "nothing left to lose" territory they simply won't act. Call it fear based, it is, but that won't make the fear go away. It requires pro-active action on the part of people who are willing to work with others to allay those fears, however irrational they are.

It's also worth remembering that human beings, on a whole are not reasonable or rational creatures but that does not mean that they are not reachable or changeable. Often times it just means finding out what motivates that individual, how they feel/think and then working with them like a therapist to catapult them into action. It can be done, but many people have vastly underestimated the amount of effort required to do this.

[doodah]

Mods, there is no point to this thread other than sowing negative thoughts.

Thanks to the Avalonians who have not taken the bait.

Ask and you shall receive. What was it that you wanted?

Peace,
~ Doodah

Have a look at all the interesting things that are sprouting from those seeds. That's the point of the thread as far as I can tell.
'Avalonians' aren't necessarily special or more in tune or more true.
Anyone looking at these threads do it because they're ready for something new. The OP is old thinking, and I'm inspired by the contrast.
And I know enough of seigiarchon to not question the intent.
Is it unAvalonian?, or just revealing us to ourselves?
What the hell is an Avalonian anyway? A seemingly bigger box?

No problem, you all enjoy yourselves. I dislike negative thread titles, which set negative tone from the git-go.

Yes, there's lots of counter-negative things being said here. If you are enjoying the contrast, this is the thread for you. Go to it -- I am weary of the tennis match, and I apologize for intruding on your fun.

"What the hell is an Avalonian anyway?" I meant by that, the people who are members of this Forum...Avalonians. Like people who live in New York...New Yorkers, and etc. etc. I was thanking the members of this Forum who had not taken the negative bait.

Enjoy. I'm going off to join Dreamer!

~ Doodah

[seigiarchon]

A wise farmer had worked his crops for many years. One day his horse ran away. Upon hearing this news, his neighbors came to visit him. “Such bad luck,” they said sympathetically. “Oh really?,” the farmer replied.

The next morning the horse returned, bringing with it three other wild horses. “How wonderful,” the neighbors exclaimed. “Oh really?,” the farmer replied.

The following day, his son tried to ride one of the untamed horses and was thrown off the horse and broke his leg. The neighbors again came to offer their sympathy on this misfortune. “Oh really?,” answered the farmer.

The day after, military officials came to the village to draft young men into the army. Seeing that the farmer’s son’s leg was broken, they passed him by. The neighbors congratulated the farmer on how well things had turned out. “Oh really?,” said the wise farmer.

It is precisely the human egos of ours, the attachment to what's "good" and the fear and aversion to what's "bad", which is preventing humanity from evolving and moving forward.

Case in point, within a few hours of me starting a thread on how there will be no sweet happy endings, another poster came up with a counter-thread on how there will be sweet happy endings instead.

This kind of reaction is the same kind of knee-jerk fear-filled human-egoistic reactions which the masses will respond with when faced with major changes to their lives.

If one is truly enlightened, one wouldn't give a f88k if all he know and all he has, including his family, his wealth, his possessions, and even his own life, are faced with Death and Utter Destruction.

And all of you still wonder why the ETs have not shown themselves or why the Governments have not made any Major Disclosures yet.

It is because the masses are all still too afraid of changes, damnit! This is why the level of suffering in this world will continue to rise and rise until humanity learn to surrender to change and say "Oh really? F88K You!" to the TPTB and the Archons even when threatened with Death!

[9eagle9]

Well I certainly love the story.

I'd probably respect you a lot more for your admission if you didn't make it so obviously clear your resentment of women.

We create our own misery though.

[Arrowwind]

I can assure you that there will be no sweet happy endings. :wizard:

Do you have any evidence of this? :ufo:

Actually I have had several sweet and happy endings in my life...
and endings are only the door to new beginings.

Sorry you are feeling so depressed.

[seigiarchon]

Well I certainly love the story.

I'd probably respect you a lot more for your admission if you didn't make it so obviously clear your resentment of women.

We create our own misery though.

I resent both men and women equally. If anything, I resent men more than women. If you want and let me find the inspiration soon, I will start a thread soon on men-bashing.

The reason, I don't do that though is that most men are on a even lower rung down the evolutionary ladder than the average woman.

Why would you wanna waste time bashing animals when you know animals can't change and evolve?

Shouldn't you spend time and energy on those who have more potential to change and evolve instead, namely the women of this world?

As far as I am concerned, the women of this world fell into the trap of emulating men and all their faults and this is why I started the various threads which I did in the past.

Re-read my past threads again with this nugget of wisdom in your mind and you will see what I am driving at.

Why do you think I started the thread , "Hard Feminist Woman vs Soft Feminine Woman - who has an easier road to Enlightenment?"

[the_vast_mystery]

If a boulder doesn't break when you first strike it, or if it breaks your hammer, do you give up trying to move it? Well, no, you'd look up what the Rock was made from, and find the appropriate tool to split it. By focusing only on whether or not you personally believe the rock should have split the first time you hit it with the hammer, rather than trying to understand what the rock was made of and what will cause it to give way, you are condemning yourself to perpetual failure. People are how they are, and if you approach them from the perspective that they are inferior unless they change to meet your expectations you are already setting up an adversarial relationship with them. Those, unfortunately, never end well.

[seigiarchon]

I can assure you that there will be no sweet happy endings. :wizard:

Do you have any evidence of this? :ufo:

Actually I have had several sweet and happy endings in my life...
and endings are only the door to new beginings.

Sorry you are feeling so depressed.

I am not depressed.

I am actually extremely happy that there will be no sweet happy endings.

Cos this mean humanity will suffer so much that their human egos will finally let go.

[seigiarchon]

If a boulder doesn't break when you first strike it, or if it breaks your hammer, do you give up trying to move it? Well, no, you'd look up what the Rock was made from, and find the appropriate tool to split it. By focusing only on whether or not you personally believe the rock should have split the first time you hit it with the hammer, rather than trying to understand what the rock was made of and what will cause it to give way, you are condemning yourself to perpetual failure. People are how they are, and if you approach them from the perspective that they are inferior unless they change to meet your expectations you are already setting up an adversarial relationship with them. Those, unfortunately, never end well.

RFLOL!

There you go again with what's gonna end well and what's not gonna end well..

Do you think a truly enlightened person is going to give a damn about good or bad endings?..

He will just take the ending, good or bad, and leave it at that..

[Arrowwind]

I can assure you that there will be no sweet happy endings. :wizard:

Do you have any evidence of this? :ufo:

Actually I have had several sweet and happy endings in my life...
and endings are only the door to new beginings.

Sorry you are feeling so depressed.

I am not depressed.

I am actually extremely happy that there will be no sweet happy endings.

Cos this mean humanity will suffer so much that their human egos will finally let go.

OMG! :loco:
that sounds totally convoluted to evolution and enlightenment.

like the old baptist minister who would switch the children if they were caught having fun for making an error... you dont learn through suffering like that.

[the_vast_mystery]

Changes born from suffering tend to breed resentment. By making someone so uncomfortable their only other option is to adapt, then if they can identify a cause of their suffering they will hate and attempt to destroy or minimize that cause. Let's say there were a drought? Rather than use less water humanity would figure out a new way to purify water or make water using devices more efficient rather than force the entire population to undergo austerity to reduce their water consumption. Why? Well you are forcing a decline in a perceived standard of living, you are directly reducing their happiness and this makes people feel the need to blame an object other than themselves for this change so long as their maintains the psychological/social ability to do so. In fact, that drought and resulting decline in living standards might leave such a scar as to breed an entire "water conscious" generation devoted to nothing other than removing the barriers that prevent people from having the same comforts even in a time of decreased resources. This means even more resources get spent in fighting and altering conditions that come from an emotional imbalance and therefore may even be quite unnecessary and could even produce secondary problems due to myopia of mental focus.

Now, obviously in reality we'd have more of a mixture of austerity and technology but the point being that humans will change their behavior if they find it to be more rewarding to do so, or if there is literally no other choice to survive. If they feel "rewarded" for changing their behavior, there is no blame and it just happens. If however they experience suffering then it's very easy for that to fall into trauma/blame and just creates more shared misery for all, especially if the person blames themselves too harshly and becomes trapped in their own guilt/shame.


RFLOL!

There you go again with what's gonna end well and what's not gonna end well..

Do you think a truly enlightened person is going to give a damn about good or bad endings?..

He will just take the ending, good or bad, and leave it at that..

If you have a goal, you care about the ending, if you have nothing in this world you seek, why are you alive? If nothing matters and there is no joy, no pain, and no good or bad then why should you even bother getting out of bed or doing anything?

Is it because not getting out of bed hurts more? Well even you deciding to get out of bed is you caring about the endings. As you're not entirely catatonic you too sir have a goal of some sorts even if it's not one you are consciously aware of. We all have things we seek, it can be as simple as making people smile or as complex as writing their rendition of a "perfect symphony" that is uniquely them. Either way, by having those things, you care about the ending as you are striving to achieve some effect on the world around you and the people in it.

Just let that simmer for a bit. :)

[Arrowwind]

Oh.. this is the resentment guy who hates men and women... Think I will leave this thread. I have better things to do. I cant fix him so I will not waste my time

[seigiarchon]

I can assure you that there will be no sweet happy endings. :wizard:

Do you have any evidence of this? :ufo:

Actually I have had several sweet and happy endings in my life...
and endings are only the door to new beginings.

Sorry you are feeling so depressed.

I am not depressed.

I am actually extremely happy that there will be no sweet happy endings.

Cos this mean humanity will suffer so much that their human egos will finally let go.

OMG! :loco:
that sounds totally convoluted to evolution and enlightenment.

like the old baptist minister who would switch the children if they were caught having fun for making an error... you dont learn through suffering like that.

Why are the masses so easily cowed by the Governments, TPTB and the Archons?

Because once the Governments, TPTB and the Archons threaten the masses with Death and Loss, the masses will do anything and everything to prevent this Death and Loss even if this means being an un-evolved slave who ignores his or her own potential for Ascension for the rest of eternity.

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I can assure you that there will be no sweet happy endings. :wizard:

Do you have any evidence of this? :ufo:

Actually I have had several sweet and happy endings in my life...
and endings are only the door to new beginings.

Sorry you are feeling so depressed.

I am not depressed.

I am actually extremely happy that there will be no sweet happy endings.

Cos this mean humanity will suffer so much that their human egos will finally let go.

OMG! :loco:
that sounds totally convoluted to evolution and enlightenment.

like the old baptist minister who would switch the children if they were caught having fun for making an error... you dont learn through suffering like that.

Judicious Non-Egoistical Applications of Pain and Loss are different from Egoistical Applications of Pain and Loss which are inflicted for petty human motivations.

[Fred Steeves]

Case in point, within a few hours of me starting a thread on how there will be no sweet happy endings, another poster came up with a counter-thread on how there will be sweet happy endings instead.


I reckon I have you figured out mister. As do we all here.

But what the hell, All Is Well...

y4QkvPSwDHs

[the_vast_mystery]

Judicious Non-Egoistical Applications of Pain and Loss are different from Egoistical Applications of Pain and Loss which are inflicted for petty human motivations.

How are they different? What makes them different? Can you please explain all that goes in to determining procedurally whether these things are to be done or not? Can you please provide some detailed examples of what in your mind constitutes an egotistical vs non-egotistical judgement of a situation with an explanation on how each qualifies as egotistical or non-egotistical? I'm not entirely unwilling to concede that pain and loss are necessary in certain very specific and very individual circumstances but that like a scalpel they tend to wreak havoc if used often outside of the context of an operating room by a trained doctor.

So that would make me wonder under what criteria are you making these judgements? Elaboration is always welcome, thanks! :)

[seigiarchon]

Changes born from suffering tend to breed resentment. By making someone so uncomfortable their only other option is to adapt, then if they can identify a cause of their suffering they will hate and attempt to destroy or minimize that cause. Let's say there were a drought? Rather than use less water humanity would figure out a new way to purify water or make water using devices more efficient rather than force the entire population to undergo austerity to reduce their water consumption. Why? Well you are forcing a decline in a perceived standard of living, you are directly reducing their happiness and this makes people feel the need to blame an object other than themselves for this change so long as their maintains the psychological/social ability to do so. In fact, that drought and resulting decline in living standards might leave such a scar as to breed an entire "water conscious" generation devoted to nothing other than removing the barriers that prevent people from having the same comforts even in a time of decreased resources. This means even more resources get spent in fighting and altering conditions that come from an emotional imbalance and therefore may even be quite unnecessary and could even produce secondary problems due to myopia of mental focus.

Now, obviously in reality we'd have more of a mixture of austerity and technology but the point being that humans will change their behavior if they find it to be more rewarding to do so, or if there is literally no other choice to survive. If they feel "rewarded" for changing their behavior, there is no blame and it just happens. If however they experience suffering then it's very easy for that to fall into trauma/blame and just creates more shared misery for all, especially if the person blames themselves too harshly and becomes trapped in their own guilt/shame.

If there is less water for consumption, then humanity will begin to die off very quickly and then maybe TPTB will be more open to sharing their secrets of light-body immortality so that humanity can transcend and transform themselves into immortal beings who do not need food, water or even air and only live on pure light.

If there no happiness due to a greatly decrease in living standards, then maybe humanity should learn to re-focus life's objectives on concepts other than happiness.

Evolution is a much better and more worthy objective of life than just mere happiness, don't you think?

If humanity begin to fight wars due to a decreasing lack of resources, and more and more humans die off, sooner or later the survivors will figure out ways and means to co-operate to find other methods of generating new types of resources instead of relying on the same old tried methodologies all the time.

For eg the electric car was introduced a few decades ago but it was shut down by TPTB. The water car was introduced by Japan a few years ago but it was shut down by TPTB? Why do you think this is so?

Because TPTB wanted to cling on to their power and money and refuse to free the rest of humanity. Now obviously if enough humans begin dying off so that even the lives of TPTB are threatened, then maybe TPTB will be shakened enough to realize the light and do the correct thing instead.

The Gods have given Humanity and especially TPTB more than 50 years since Roswell and the end of WW2 to change but obviously TPTB are too selfish and greedy to let go of their power and the masses are too afraid of change to challenge TPTB.

So I have no choice but to announce..

the "good cop" had just signed off and the "Bad Cop" is about to Begin..

[markpierre]

Hey mate,

Love is a feeling that, in order to be brought to real life, needs to be accompanied by actions.

If you combine love with courage, then you have a good recipe for change.

Just like when you combine fear with cowardice, you have a good recipe for failure.

When you combine love with laziness to act, you have a perfect recipe for deception.

Cheers,

Raf.

Hiya Raf, I hear ya.
I don't quite agree but it may be as simple as whether action is external and overt, or internal and discreet.
My greatest experiences of courage were all in moments of utter defeat and humiliation, where all I was consciously 'doing' was looking for a rock big enough to hide me,
and I couldn't find one.
If it's death by fire or death by jumping, you just pick one.
Whatever force is organizing this whole thing for me (my silly little unaware self that both fears and asserts itself and thinks there's a difference)
knows exactly what it's doing. I can't get too far from the script, no matter what conscious choices I make. The universe adjusts to accommodate my ignorance.
That's what we're trying to learn now, that our ignorance has nothing to do with anything.
In moments that I realize that it's my Real Self taking over, it still feels like an alien to me.
I expect that to change as I do.
Change is the only thing that's discernibly happening, with our cooperation or without. It's hard to miss that these days.
All I consciously know enough to do is to not run away anymore, and it's a struggle sometimes to do that.
But realistically, where would I go?

Love? Real life? One and the same. Can't separate them. I wouldn't know how to bring them together.

But hey, that's just me.

[seigiarchon]

Judicious Non-Egoistical Applications of Pain and Loss are different from Egoistical Applications of Pain and Loss which are inflicted for petty human motivations.

How are they different? What makes them different? Can you please explain all that goes in to determining procedurally whether these things are to be done or not? Can you please provide some detailed examples of what in your mind constitutes an egotistical vs non-egotistical judgement of a situation with an explanation on how each qualifies as egotistical or non-egotistical? I'm not entirely unwilling to concede that pain and loss are necessary in certain very specific and very individual circumstances but that like a scalpel they tend to wreak havoc if used often outside of the context of an operating room by a trained doctor.

So that would make me wonder under what criteria are you making these judgements? Elaboration is always welcome, thanks! :)

Egoistical Applications of Pain and Loss = TPTB keeping all the free energy ufo star-gate technology, spiritual occult immortality secrets plus other secrets and powers to themselves so that TPTB will retain the power to control and enslave the masses

Non-Egoistical Applications of Pain and Loss = enough pain and suffering being applied to the masses so that they will find the courage to not only overthrow TPTB but to also completely redefine the entire meaning of our human existence

are we being born here on earth just to grow up, get married, reproduce, eat, defecate, work, slave, grow old, grow sick and then die off?

Is that the only meaning of our petty human existence?

Because if it is, then I completely reject TPTB's "definition of human existence".

[markpierre]

No problem, you all enjoy yourselves. I dislike negative thread titles, which set negative tone from the git-go.

Yes, there's lots of counter-negative things being said here. If you are enjoying the contrast, this is the thread for you. Go to it -- I am weary of the tennis match, and I apologize for intruding on your fun.

"What the hell is an Avalonian anyway?" I meant by that, the people who are members of this Forum...Avalonians. Like people who live in New York...New Yorkers, and etc. etc. I was thanking the members of this Forum who had not taken the negative bait.

Enjoy. I'm going off to join Dreamer!

~ Doodah

Wow, that's interesting. And that strikes me as covertly extremely negative. And extremely interpretive.

More contrast...I like it.

[Anchor]

Is there an end??

That is what I was waiting for as soon as I saw the thread. Nicely none.

Time, the stuff of beginnings and endings, is not what it seems.

We experience time, but its only because of our choice to experience this dense life.

In my (most likely ignored) opinion, the opening post has no meaningful referent.

[the_vast_mystery]

If there are less water for consumption, then humanity will begin to die off very quickly and then maybe TPTB will be more open to sharing their secrets of light-body immortality so that humanity can transcend and transform themselves into immortal beings who do not need food, water or even air and only live on pure light.

On what basis do you believe this would occur? More importantly how do you think you can stop people from innovating in a time of crisis when that is what humanity is so adept at? A lot of modern technology came out of WWII or the Space program, where we set out to do impossible things and were willing to put a lot on the line for that. If there were a severe drought what makes you think the situation will be any different or special than any others before?


If there no happiness due to a greatly decrease in living standards, then maybe humanity should learn to re-focus life's objectives on concepts other than happiness.

What is the purpose of life if not to be happy? If we cannot live and be happy, why live? Why would we be built to experience happiness if it were such a bad thing?


Evolution is a much better and more worthy objective of life than just mere happiness, don't you think?

Evolution is an objective which brings YOU personally happiness. What you're failing to see is that happiness is a result of achieving your aims. In your case you personally place a high value on your specific idea of ascension/evolution and it makes you very happy to do this. Other people do not necessarily have to agree with your idea of happiness though. Or as I say sometimes: To some, heaven is a lofty domain up in the clouds where they rule with God, to George Carlin it's a strip-club right next to the airport. ;p

Either way, if you personally find enrichment in what you do, why does it matter if anyone else values the same thing as you do? Why does your happiness depend on others agreeing with you?


If humanity begin to fight wars due to a decreasing lack of resources, and more and more humans die off, sooner or later the survivors will figure out ways and means to co-operate to find other methods of generating new types of resources instead of relying on the same old tried methodologies all the time.

For eg the electric car was introduced a few decades ago but it was shut down by TPTB. The water car was introduced by Japan a few years ago but it was shut down by TPTB? Why do you think this is so?

Because TPTB wanted to cling on to their power and money and refuse to free the rest of humanity.

The point is though that people aren't actually adjusting their behavior to accommodate the environment around them. They are attempting to adapt as minimally as possible their behavior to the environment and doing such by use of technology to adapt the environment to meet their desires. By even using technology at all you are admitting that there is some value in comfort and remaining comfortable (And cognitive studies do show stress can be a severe impairment mentally/emotionally in how we work.) So it's not right to say that people should just do the harder thing and change their behavior when that goes against every ounce of what it is to be human. People think of it as others being "Stronger" than they are, but what it actually means is that the other person merely has a stronger sense of shame or guilt which motivates them to take what appears to others superficially as the harder of two choices, but when considering the person's mental state is most likely the easier of two choices. The other choice being so horrible in their minds that they would not even want to acknowledge it exists.

Every time I've heard someone remark about how they did something incredible it always came down to "How could I not?" Which to me seems to be someone motivated entirely by how badly they'd have felt shame if they didn't. So to them, it was subjectively easier to do the objectively harder task. So again, I think applying this approach to the entire population just isn't going to work because not everyone is of the same mind. There are too many who find it easier to do something else. You can try to force them all you want, but it's going to be a lot harder to eliminate every other option people have than to follow you, versus you attempting to negotiate and offer people something they value for their cooperation.


Now obviously if enough humans begin dying off so that even the lives of TPTB are threatened, then maybe TPTB will be shakened enough to realize the light and do the correct thing instead.

Why would they? We're all disposable cattle, we exist only for their exclusive pleasure. What reason do they have to treat anyone any differently? If they win and everyone dies off down to 500 mil then obviously they've won and therefore have no reason to change their minds. What could they possibly gain that THEY value from this? This is where values are important, not everyone has compatible values, and while agreements can be formed sometimes it's important to realize that some people will never find happiness in the things that you do. But by acknowledging that you can find a way to figure out what makes individual people happy and perhaps offer them something in return for their cooperation with you. If you really want them to enjoy what they do (and therefore be more productive at it) offering value is very important. It's how big businesses for so many years managed to swallow up the brightest minds. People, realizing money was the present day gatekeeper to all resources, sought to use their talents to secure money as a way to ensure material security and therefore produce an environment where they could find their own happiness.


The Gods have given Humanity and more especially TPTB more than 50 years since Roswell and the end of WW2 to change but obviously TPTB are too selfish and greedy to let go of their power and the masses are too afraid of change to challenge TPTB.

So I have no choice but to announce..

the "good cop" had just signed off and the "Bad Cop" is about to Begin..

How is Good Cop/Bad Cop anything other than a deception routine? The Good cop is insincere and the Bad Cop intentionally goes overboard to trick you into thinking one is worth trusting when in fact both are equally untrustworthy. It doesn't matter whether you confess to the "Good Cop" when he tries to be your friend, or the "Bad Cop" who tries to beat you when you don't talk. They'll both nail you just as hard in court once you confess and both tell equal amounts of lies in their presentation.

If in fact, the Good Cop, and the Bad Cop were actually what they professed, then the suspect (The 90% of us not total psychopaths) would get treated much better in a meaningful way by immediately confessing to the "Good Cop." Yet in this case I don't see any deals being offered at all that an individual can take or any real implication that there is a way for any of us to do anything by ourselves that would matter to you. Just a bunch of bold proclamations implying that the majority of humanity is inferior for not immediately following your specific wishes. This isn't really going to motivate anyone, because after all, if I'm damned either way (because my individual contribution doesn't matter, it's all about securing collective action) then why would I even want to bother trying? You're not offering anyone anything at all except perhaps slightly less scorn for agreeing with you.

But why should anyone care whether or not you hold them in scorn? What does it matter towards? It's actually much easier to just disassociate from your words than to do anything you're proposing. (Lifelong celibacy, abandon any form of comfort or material happiness, stick to super-strict gender roles, etc.) After all, either way I don't matter so if my only two choices are to be lazy and suffer harshly, or work harshly AND suffer harshly, I'd rather "Be lazy and suffer harshly," there's a lot less harshness in that one. ;)

This may not even encapsulate how everyone is motivated successfully, but it sure does seem to work in a lot more cases than not.

edit:


Egoistical Applications of Pain and Loss = TPTB keeping all the free energy ufo star-gate technology, spiritual occult immortality secrets plus other secrets and powers to themselves so that TPTB will retain the power to control and enslave the masses

Non-Egoistical Applications of Pain and Loss = enough pain and suffering being applied to the masses so that they will find the courage to not only overthrow TPTB but to also completely redefine the entire meaning of our human existence

But you're missing something here, they're keeping that technology secret entirely to cause us to suffer because they relish in us hurting. Now, if they're stealing knowledge from us to trap us in perpetual pain, what makes you think turning up the pain will succeed in doing anything that helps us?

If the economy goes bad, what makes you think people will blame the correct people? Who says they'll even know whom to blame at all? Because for your idea to work the suffering must be direct enough that the people know exactly whom to target. Even beyond that though more than blind rage is required. A successful revolution first begins by imagining a new way of existence that will replace the old one and enticing enough people with that vision to get them to sign up.

You seem to have the entire process a bit backwards. If you just randomly make everything worse then yes you'll see riots and violence galore but not the kind of targeted and swift destruction that would be needed to actually replace an entire way of life with a new one. Plus, you seem to think you can get people on board entirely by making them suffer more.

Why should I want to work with you for instance, if you think me so unworthy of your consideration that you've decided I should be tortured until I agree to sign up? Even if you're not doing the torturing directly the attitude of disdain still carries over into your actions and will make people unwilling to cooperate if they believe you see no reason to give them anything of value for their cooperation.

If anything, it's much more likely if you tried to start your revolution that TPTB would blame you and destroy you before you got anything off of the ground. If you've got some super-spirit-buddies that are going to come down and Smash the earth, well, it goes back to what I said earlier: If I'm damned either way, why should I cooperate with you?


are we being born here on earth just to grow up, get married, reproduce, eat, defecate, work, slave, grow old, grow sick and then die off?

Is that the only meaning of our petty human existence?

Because if it is, then I completely reject TPTB's "definition of human existence".

You don't have to share their definition of human existence or even happiness to live here. But you do have to respect other's decisions as being just as valid and correct as yours. That means understanding that in many cases differences of opinion are meaningless as what matters is whether everyone can find their own form of happiness or purpose/meaning in life and not what that form is.

This doesn't mean you have to live in a "prison planet" as you put it, but if you want to convince people they need to break out then first you've got to show them what benefits life "outside" has to offer, and be willing to accept that some people just may not find that appealing at all.

[Anchor]

Well I certainly love the story.

It had horses in it :)

[seigiarchon]

If there are less water for consumption, then humanity will begin to die off very quickly and then maybe TPTB will be more open to sharing their secrets of light-body immortality so that humanity can transcend and transform themselves into immortal beings who do not need food, water or even air and only live on pure light.

On what basis do you believe this would occur? More importantly how do you think you can stop people from innovating in a time of crisis when that is what humanity is so adept at? A lot of modern technology came out of WWII or the Space program, where we set out to do impossible things and were willing to put a lot on the line for that. If there were a severe drought what makes you think the situation will be any different or special than any others before?


If there no happiness due to a greatly decrease in living standards, then maybe humanity should learn to re-focus life's objectives on concepts other than happiness.

What is the purpose of life if not to be happy? If we cannot live and be happy, why live? Why would we be built to experience happiness if it were such a bad thing?


Evolution is a much better and more worthy objective of life than just mere happiness, don't you think?

Evolution is an objective which brings YOU personally happiness. What you're failing to see is that happiness is a result of achieving your aims. In your case you personally place a high value on your specific idea of ascension/evolution and it makes you very happy to do this. Other people do not necessarily have to agree with your idea of happiness though. Or as I say sometimes: To some, heaven is a lofty domain up in the clouds where they rule with God, to George Carlin it's a strip-club right next to the airport. ;p

Either way, if you personally find enrichment in what you do, why does it matter if anyone else values the same thing as you do? Why does your happiness depend on others agreeing with you?


If humanity begin to fight wars due to a decreasing lack of resources, and more and more humans die off, sooner or later the survivors will figure out ways and means to co-operate to find other methods of generating new types of resources instead of relying on the same old tried methodologies all the time.

For eg the electric car was introduced a few decades ago but it was shut down by TPTB. The water car was introduced by Japan a few years ago but it was shut down by TPTB? Why do you think this is so?

Because TPTB wanted to cling on to their power and money and refuse to free the rest of humanity.

The point is though that people aren't actually adjusting their behavior to accommodate the environment around them. They are attempting to adapt as minimally as possible their behavior to the environment and doing such by use of technology to adapt the environment to meet their desires. By even using technology at all you are admitting that there is some value in comfort and remaining comfortable (And cognitive studies do show stress can be a severe impairment mentally/emotionally in how we work.) So it's not right to say that people should just do the harder thing and change their behavior when that goes against every ounce of what it is to be human. People think of it as others being "Stronger" than they are, but what it actually means is that the other person merely has a stronger sense of shame or guilt which motivates them to take what appears to others superficially as the harder of two choices, but when considering the person's mental state is most likely the easier of two choices. The other choice being so horrible in their minds that they would not even want to acknowledge it exists.

Every time I've heard someone remark about how they did something incredible it always came down to "How could I not?" Which to me seems to be someone motivated entirely by how badly they'd have felt shame if they didn't. So to them, it was subjectively easier to do the objectively harder task. So again, I think applying this approach to the entire population just isn't going to work because not everyone is of the same mind. There are too many who find it easier to do something else. You can try to force them all you want, but it's going to be a lot harder to eliminate every other option people have than to follow you, versus you attempting to negotiate and offer people something they value for their cooperation.


Now obviously if enough humans begin dying off so that even the lives of TPTB are threatened, then maybe TPTB will be shakened enough to realize the light and do the correct thing instead.

Why would they? We're all disposable cattle, we exist only for their exclusive pleasure. What reason do they have to treat anyone any differently? If they win and everyone dies off down to 500 mil then obviously they've won and therefore have no reason to change their minds. What could they possibly gain that THEY value from this? This is where values are important, not everyone has compatible values, and while agreements can be formed sometimes it's important to realize that some people will never find happiness in the things that you do. But by acknowledging that you can find a way to figure out what makes individual people happy and perhaps offer them something in return for their cooperation with you. If you really want them to enjoy what they do (and therefore be more productive at it) offering value is very important. It's how big businesses for so many years managed to swallow up the brightest minds. People, realizing money was the present day gatekeeper to all resources, sought to use their talents to secure money as a way to ensure material security and therefore produce an environment where they could find their own happiness.


The Gods have given Humanity and more especially TPTB more than 50 years since Roswell and the end of WW2 to change but obviously TPTB are too selfish and greedy to let go of their power and the masses are too afraid of change to challenge TPTB.

So I have no choice but to announce..

the "good cop" had just signed off and the "Bad Cop" is about to Begin..

How is Good Cop/Bad Cop anything other than a deception routine? The Good cop is insincere and the Bad Cop intentionally goes overboard to trick you into thinking one is worth trusting when in fact both are equally untrustworthy. It doesn't matter whether you confess to the "Good Cop" when he tries to be your friend, or the "Bad Cop" who tries to beat you when you don't talk. They'll both nail you just as hard in court once you confess and both tell equal amounts of lies in their presentation.

If in fact, the Good Cop, and the Bad Cop were actually what they professed, then the suspect (The 90% of us not total psychopaths) would get treated much better in a meaningful way by immediately confessing to the "Good Cop." Yet in this case I don't see any deals being offered at all that an individual can take or any real implication that there is a way for any of us to do anything by ourselves that would matter to you. Just a bunch of bold proclamations implying that the majority of humanity is inferior for not immediately following your specific wishes. This isn't really going to motivate anyone, because after all, if I'm damned either way (because my individual contribution doesn't matter, it's all about securing collective action) then why would I even want to bother trying? You're not offering anyone anything at all except perhaps slightly less scorn for agreeing with you.

But why should anyone care whether or not you hold them in scorn? What does it matter towards? It's actually much easier to just disassociate from your words than to do anything you're proposing. (Lifelong celibacy, abandon any form of comfort or material happiness, stick to super-strict gender roles, etc.) After all, either way I don't matter so if my only two choices are to be lazy and suffer harshly, or work harshly AND suffer harshly, I'd rather "Be lazy and suffer harshly," there's a lot less harshness in that one. ;)

This may not even encapsulate how everyone is motivated successfully, but it sure does seem to work in a lot more cases than

The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy.

The hottest place in Hell is reserved for those who remain neutral in times of great moral conflict.

I submit to you that if a man hasn't discovered something that he will die for, he isn't fit to live.

In the End, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends.

We will have to repent in this generation not merely for the vitriolic words and actions of the bad people, but for the appalling silence of the good people.

Faith is taking the first step even when you don't see the whole staircase.

Martian Luther King

[seigiarchon]

Vast Mystery, you are afraid and I can hear the fear in your voice.

You are afraid of the sacrifices and suffering which humanity has to go through in order to attain their ultimate destiny and you are right... For the "Archons" will inflict many pain and suffering upon Humankind if Humans were to throw off their shackles and transcend their slavedom to the "Archons"..

You are afraid that many people will die off before humanity can ever achieve their ultimate destiny and you are right.. Many humans will die off because they do not have the sufficient karma of fulfilling Humanity's Ultimate Potential of becoming Enlightened Immortal Gods..

But that is the way of things.. even if the majority of the human race has to suffer and die off so that only a small percentage of humanity can evolve into Enlightened Immortal Gods, then that's how it should be..

That is called sacrifice for a higher purpose.. You are sacrificing yourself and your family and your wealth so that some humans can transcend their slavedom and transform into Gods..

If you think that this game is completely unfair, if you think that the masses are f88ked either way.. then you are right!

The only way out is to join the Resistance and fight claw and tooth for your own Liberation and Enlightenment and achieve Your Ultimate Destiny which belongs to every Human.. which is to become Enlightened Immortal Gods!.. even if it means sacrificing yourself, your family, your wealth and everything else you know and have!..

If there is one thing which I have learnt over the years, it is this..

The Creator and the Universe will never give us our Rightful Spiritual Occult Power, our Rightful Freedom, Free Will and Control over our own lives and our Rightful Ascension, Enlightenment and Immortality unless and until we are ready to sacrifice anything and everything for them!

We have to see our own Divinity as more important than anything else in the world, and we have to especially see our own Divinity as more important than even our own lives or our own family's lives!

[CdnSirian]

Quote Posted by seigiarchon (here)
Case in point, within a few hours of me starting a thread on how there will be no sweet happy endings, another poster came up with a counter-thread on how there will be sweet happy endings instead.

So you're both here to distract? Well congratulations, over 50 replies.

[ghostrider]

you live in the words you speak. stay positive and see what happens. your fate is in your hands .

[9eagle9]

You do realize the suffering causes the ego to expand, not break?

A wounded ego is not a broken ego, its just wounded. For that matter a broken ego is still a ego. Breaking something doesn't necessarily mean it will go away.

I'll pass on the man bashing thread. A man bashing thread to balance a woman balancing thread isn't really balance.

Self loathing is epidemic these days, and that is typically inflicted by the ego.

But not necessarily infectious.

[dan i el]

Many humans will die off because they do not have the sufficient karma of fulfilling Humanity's Ultimate Potential of becoming Enlightened Immortal Gods..

But that is the way of things..

even if the majority of the human race has to suffer and die off so that only a small percentage of humanity can evolve into Enlightened Immortal Gods, then that's how it should be..

That is called sacrifice for a higher purpose..

You are sacrificing yourself and your family and your wealth so that some humans can transcend their slavedom and transform into Gods..


even if it means sacrificing your family



We have to see our own Divinity as more important than anything else in the world, and we have to especially see our own Divinity as more important than even our own lives or our own family's lives!



even if the majority of the human race has to suffer and die off so that only a small percentage of humanity can evolve into Enlightened Immortal Gods, then that's how it should be.. :wacko::wacko::wacko:


Balderdash. And dangerous balderdash at that. That sort of elitist claptrap masquerading as clear thought, was popular in Europe in the 1930's, I believe. Nice program you installed on yourself, badcop

"The human mind cannot grasp the causes of phenomena in the aggregate. But the need to find these causes is inherent in man’s soul. And the human intellect, without investigating the multiplicity and complexity of the conditions of phenomena, any one of which taken separately may seem to be the cause, snatches at the first, the most intelligible approximation to a cause, and says: “This is the cause!"
--Leo Tolstoy
War and Peace

1668716687

[9eagle9]

Yeah well it doesn't take much to make me happy.

I don't think Seigarchon sees the story the same way I do.

But the story does demonstrate that sometimes life throws an event at you that looks like your getting a gold brick that turns into **** as it hits the fan, **** starts flying your way, the force of the **** turns the fan, you duck and trip over a gold brick.

Just the way life is, learning to duck means you get less ****, standing there doing nothing means a **** bath. Sometimes you don't always trip over a gold brick, and some people would consider tripping over a gold brick just another misery to be born, focusing on how they bruised their arse rather than the gold brick, and some will see good fortune in tripping over a gold brick. Sometimes you don't you trip over ****, your jacket rips and you find a silver lining.

It's doeable. We obviously can't get rid of ****, fans or gold or stop tripping so one has to learn to dodge and duck instead of becoming the sitting duck.

If you wait and don't leap into your own grave simply because someone else is digging a hole more often than not **** turns into gold or an acceptable facsimile of it.

And yes I do claw at my face over people who "proclaim' they've let the past go, when its clear they have it leashed and heeling at their side.





Well I certainly love the story.

It had horses in it :)

¤=[Post Update]=¤

Okay you're depressed and self loathing, and Vast Mystery is afraid.

A pot and kettle stand off.


Vast Mystery, you are afraid and I can hear the fear in your voice.

You are afraid of the sacrifices and suffering which humanity has to go through in order to attain their ultimate destiny and you are right... For the "Archons" will inflict many pain and suffering upon Humankind if Humans were to throw off their shackles and transcend their slavedom to the "Archons"..

You are afraid that many people will die off before humanity can ever achieve their ultimate destiny and you are right.. Many humans will die off because they do not have the sufficient karma of fulfilling Humanity's Ultimate Potential of becoming Enlightened Immortal Gods..

But that is the way of things.. even if the majority of the human race has to suffer and die off so that only a small percentage of humanity can evolve into Enlightened Immortal Gods, then that's how it should be..

That is called sacrifice for a higher purpose.. You are sacrificing yourself and your family and your wealth so that some humans can transcend their slavedom and transform into Gods..

If you think that this game is completely unfair, if you think that the masses are f88ked either way.. then you are right!

The only way out is to join the Resistance and fight claw and tooth for your own Liberation and Enlightenment and achieve Your Ultimate Destiny which belongs to every Human.. which is to become Enlightened Immortal Gods!.. even if it means sacrificing yourself, your family, your wealth and everything else you know and have!..

If there is one thing which I have learnt over the years, it is this..

The Creator and the Universe will never give us our Rightful Spiritual Occult Power, our Rightful Freedom, Free Will and Control over our own lives and our Rightful Ascension, Enlightenment and Immortality unless and until we are ready to sacrifice anything and everything for them!

We have to see our own Divinity as more important than anything else in the world, and we have to especially see our own Divinity as more important than even our own lives or our own family's lives!

[Mad Hatter]

ROFLMAO... seems some are under the impression infinity has an ending happy or otherwise... !?!!! :p

The sheer arrogance of some members of a species half a chromosne past a chimpanzee never ceases to amaze me... as one of those who on occasion can match your description
"lazy bastards that don't care" pray tell, who are you exactly to be telling me, or anyone for that matter, what I should or should not be thinking or doing?

Suggest away and I'm more than happy to listen to your propositions and if I feel they have any merit I will either accomodate or incorporate accordingly, but tell me I have to do something while sporting a sig line that says...


Please do not TROLL my threads asking for evidence or links because I Do Not Promote Anything as Self-Promotion is contrary to Project Avalon's Guidelines.

is an oxymoron too far.

[Kindred]

roflmao... Seems some are under the impression infinity has an ending happy or otherwise... !?!!! :p



excellent observation!

[markpierre]

Removed. Sorry, wrong thread. Too many windows open again.

[Moz]

I can assure you that there will be no sweet happy endings. :wizard:

The good thing is that if the "ENDING" comes it will not be up to me or you for that matter.
What can me human say?
hahahahahaha...have a drink (but with a quality rum).

A hug and all the best.
Moz

[9eagle9]

There had to have been some happy endings someplace or none of us would be here.

[Maia Gabrial]

I can assure you that there will be no sweet happy endings.

That's because there is not end....sweet or otherwise...

[SKAWF]

I can assure you that there will be no sweet happy endings. :wizard:

such is the way of eternal life

[conk]

Can you provide some evidence or a link?

[Maia Gabrial]

I can assure you that there will be no sweet happy endings.

It's all in the perception. What one person thinks is great, could be horrible for another. So, I can honestly say that there will be a sweet happy ending - for some. And you're only partially right, seigiarchon....

[the_vast_mystery]

The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy.

The hottest place in Hell is reserved for those who remain neutral in times of great moral conflict.

I submit to you that if a man hasn't discovered something that he will die for, he isn't fit to live.

In the End, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends.

We will have to repent in this generation not merely for the vitriolic words and actions of the bad people, but for the appalling silence of the good people.

Faith is taking the first step even when you don't see the whole staircase.

Martian Luther King

Habit is habit, and not to be thrown out of the window by any man, but coaxed downstairs a step at a time. - Mark Twain

By the way, that was a lovely use of a famous quote to totally distract from the stark reality that is hundreds of years of human history that no sheer amount of barbarity has ever changed. Not the crusades, not the inquisition, not the Nazis, not the communists, not Hitler and Stalin competing for killing tens of millions of their own citizens has managed to change this single thing about general human nature. Yet you seem to think people will now miraculously do something different, and can offer no reason why? Oh yes it must be because I'm scared of you! For me to be afraid of anything you have to say, I'd first need to believe in it actually being likely to happen to me. ;p


Vast Mystery, you are afraid and I can hear the fear in your voice.

You are afraid of the sacrifices and suffering which humanity has to go through in order to attain their ultimate destiny and you are right... For the "Archons" will inflict many pain and suffering upon Humankind if Humans were to throw off their shackles and transcend their slavedom to the "Archons"..

You are afraid that many people will die off before humanity can ever achieve their ultimate destiny and you are right.. Many humans will die off because they do not have the sufficient karma of fulfilling Humanity's Ultimate Potential of becoming Enlightened Immortal Gods..

But that is the way of things.. even if the majority of the human race has to suffer and die off so that only a small percentage of humanity can evolve into Enlightened Immortal Gods, then that's how it should be..

That is called sacrifice for a higher purpose.. You are sacrificing yourself and your family and your wealth so that some humans can transcend their slavedom and transform into Gods..

If you think that this game is completely unfair, if you think that the masses are f88ked either way.. then you are right!

The only way out is to join the Resistance and fight claw and tooth for your own Liberation and Enlightenment and achieve Your Ultimate Destiny which belongs to every Human.. which is to become Enlightened Immortal Gods!.. even if it means sacrificing yourself, your family, your wealth and everything else you know and have!..

If there is one thing which I have learnt over the years, it is this..

The Creator and the Universe will never give us our Rightful Spiritual Occult Power, our Rightful Freedom, Free Will and Control over our own lives and our Rightful Ascension, Enlightenment and Immortality unless and until we are ready to sacrifice anything and everything for them!

We have to see our own Divinity as more important than anything else in the world, and we have to especially see our own Divinity as more important than even our own lives or our own family's lives!


So in other words we either follow exactly what you say or everyone dies? Gotcha! So again why are you here? You're not exactly asking for anyone's help and you're also refusing to provide any evidence for anything you say. If you're here to inform people, you are failing. If you are here to ask for help, you are failing. If you are here to recruit for whatever personal goals or vision you have, you're not doing yourself any favors. It seems like you just wanted a soap box to stand on. So why is it you're here?

I'll come out and say what my purpose is in this post, and yes it is also partly selfish in that I want to have a good time making clear how the things you say just do not match up. But please, come tell me what's wrong with me next. It's not like I haven't talked about my actual issues here but if you were paying that much attention to what people say you would've responded to my list of questions with something more than yet another moralizing platitude as an attempt to justify a position you have thus far refused to even fully state. (Which my questions were an attempt to get to the bottom of: Why is huge random suffering necessary now, in this way, and why are all other ways insufficient? Why will this suffering succeed when historic example says it will fail? etc.) I'm still a pot for engaging you anyway, but that's okay, I'll confess I do enjoy it. This forum rarely gives me an excuse to be as sarcastic as I'd like. ;p (But that doesn't mean I don't include substance with my snark, if you haven't noticed. And if you'd like things to proceed more civilly it'd sure be nice if you could respond to the questions I've asked with your own detailed words rather than using a vague quote as if that even begins to address the depth of detail necessary.)

[markpierre]

There had to have been some happy endings someplace or none of us would be here.

Well sort of. But they all ended in death, if that's okay with you.