justoneman's session experience with Mark V. Johnson, hypnotherapist (and more)

[Chester]

Hi Folks

My appointment was Monday, June 4, 2012. The following was written on Tuesday morning, June 5th with an intention to be posted. This post was originally intended for Houman's Horus-Ra thread. I have not edited this post (save for mentioning Houman's Horus-Ra thread) since June 5th.

Hey Folks… I had my session with Mark Johnson. The session type I decided to embark upon was something he said normally lasted in total between 4 – 5 hours with the first hour a discussion of sorts.

The discussion time went about 3.5 hours and the actual “hypnosis” session went about 4.25 hours, so it ended up close to an 8 hour venture.

I promised I would post about it. I will make some initial comments here as I am awaiting the audio recording that Mark will be providing to me for review. I also want a few days for the experience to settle in with me. I also think it may be wise to explain some things about myself as I do not necessarily feel I may qualify for posting in this (Houman's Horus-Ra) thread. I say that because I have only had two clear cut anomalous events that I can recall in this lifetime. One when I was 6 years old and the other began as a dream event when I was 36 years old. I have never had an abduction experience by Grays that I am aware of in this lifetime but I did have a dream about 6 weeks ago where I was with Grays and who were trying to implant me with a black crescent shaped object that seemed made of glass and which I was willing to accept (all in the dream).

I have never had a direct experience with Satanism. I never had any experience like has been reported on this thread related to Satanism.
Why I felt qualified to join in this thread, and why I have been helped by the content of this thread can only be understood in review of the events of my life in relation to my inner conversation and massive and verifiable by third parties synchronicity experiences that would lead a rational minded individual to conclude I was a target of messianic intentioned programming.
One thing I can mention now, which came out of the session… it appears that the experience I had when I was six years old – as described in this post of mine which coincides with the day I discovered this thread –

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44353-My-possible-abduction-experience

might not be what could be called an abduction. I am drawing no definitive conclusions as to what happened that night.

What came out of the session yesterday is that this event was what they call a “walk – in.”

I am going to state right now that after the session, I immediately felt I was being BS’d by myself! This is very difficult to explain. Let me try anyways. I felt in a daze somewhat after the session. I came home to where I am living (which happens to be with my ex-wife’s father and his current wife who are both in their 60s). Victoria, his wife, wanted to know all about it and I did not want to talk about it at all. I ate a huge meal, read the latest posts in Houman’s thread here and went to bed at 10 PM (very early for me) and I slept 10 hours (very long for me).

I had one dream where people were being violently abused by other people near the time I woke up. I awoke considering the dream and felt it was Satanist humans performing ritual abuse to innocent humans. I was only an observer in the dream, like a bird flying above the event.

As I write, I now have had my first cup of coffee and am starting to awake.

I believe the session information that came out of me from this “being” that came forth through me was full of BS. I spoke of things that my inner voice had spoken to me about before at various points in my life but had never been able to recall as a fluid, connectable flow of information. I am already concluding this being has been with me throughout my life. I always thought all my experiences were between me and God (up until my last psychotic event which began in August 2010 and ended this last January, 2012). It is very likely that the inner conversation I have experienced throughout my life was not me with myself nor me with God nor me with my “higher self” as they like to call it… but more likely me with some entity which entered me when I was 6 years old.

Thus, I am leaning towards the possibility that there are two beings inhabiting my body. This is what seems to have came out of the session. There’s me and then there’s this being which stated its name was Sofie. I do not believe that is this being’s name. I believe the being used that name to run a BS game on me and Mark. Again, I now believe this being has been with me since I was 6 years old. I will also be honest in stating right now that I am not exactly wanting to get rid of the being as I believe the being provides me with something I wouldn’t have otherwise. I am being as honest as I possibly can. I also am beginning to conclude that this being may be what some call their “spirit guide” but I am not willing to see it that way based on my life and what this being has told me along the way. I am suspicious of anyone who claims “spirit guide” stuff. Perhaps I am just gun shy. I draw no definitive conclusions.

I think now that many of my posts have been words of this being and/or a convolution of me and this being’s mind. I have read back over some of my posts from before and I say to myself, weird, Chester… where did that come from? But up until my session yesterday, I never really considered that I was me and also another being. I had heard of walk-ins before. This being stated it was a walk-in. I put the walk-in phenomena in the camp of “new age” BS now that I have studied this thread. It’s likely more along the lines of what discarnate spirits do as depicted by Truman Cash in his Eye of Ra book in the section “In-Between Lives Implants & Out of Body Abductions.”

How the new age folks seem to characterize “walk-ins” is that it is some “agreement” or “contract” made by souls before the target soul/being has incarnated. I think that’s new age BS. I think I was simply a vulnerable six year old as I had just recently been taken away from my father who I loved dearly by my mother who I never trusted. I was taken from my father due to a divorce. My theory is that the invading being entered me due to this void. Anyways, back to the session.

What came forth in the session that I will relate now is that this being presented itself to be this “walk-in” but that when it entered, “I” was supposed to leave and I didn’t. And thus what “I” am now is these two spirits living in one body. I don’t know what to make of this but in a strange way it seems to be a possible explanation for my last 48 years.

I do not like the name that came out – Sofie - as it is too close to Sofia and this seems too close to the usage of the name Sofia in the Gnostic creation myths which relate to the Demiurge and the Archons. That this name came out to me appears to be front loading by me based on my research and my preoccupation with the Gnostic cosmology. Perhaps if there is an entity I am dealing with “it” uses entry points I would “buy into” based on the ground I have already well fertilized. This is my gut feeling and thus I do not exactly trust this being at all nor anything that it said.

OK, so now I need to wait for Mark to send me the audio file recording so that I may go over the session details, relate what was spoken about and give my impressions as to what I think about it all after a few days of settling.

I will add this – I was fully conscious throughout. I recall most of the session and nothing really surprised me as to what came out though there was a flow and clarity that I rarely experience in normal life.

I will also throw in another part of the experience. When I was in the pre session discussion, I was able to place Mark in a hypnotic state myself. I did so three times. The first two times he realized he was going under and he snapped himself out. The third time he closed his eyes and they remained closed for several seconds such that I stopped my discussion and brought up that I seem to have the ability to induce hypnotic states in others.

Why I say this is because during my lifetime I had been sent to a psychiatiric hospital where I had created a relationship with a Doctor Mark Unterberg (wow, just noticed he is another Mark! haha). I ended up maintaining my relationship with Dr. Unterberg throughout my life and have recently seen him again. During my sessions in the 90s I noticed he would fall asleep at times. I had no clue it was my voice that was inducing this state. Just last month, after not seeing Dr. Unterberg for years, we made contact and he asked to see me. I saw him three times (at no expense I might add). During the second visit, I noticed him starting to doze off. Then in the third session he actually closed his eyes and went under for a good 15 seconds or so before he forced himself awake. I mentioned to him that it appears my voice has the capacity to be hypnotic.

Anyways, I was also able to understand how my voice goes into a seduction mode when I would be working on having sex with a woman. I never realized until now that it is this capacity to induce hypnosis that seems to be the same thing I do (and I am assuming most of us do) when we are trying to seduce another into having a sexual encounter.

Why I am mentioning all this is because it seems to be this entity in me that is the seducer, not the real me.

OK, enough blabber… I will await the recording. If I get gutsy enough and am able to relate all the details of the session, I may make the recording available. Ohhh, one more detail. Twice I entered into a crying state. The first one came on suddenly and uncontrollably and was quite emotional.

Lastly, until I am able to create a document that properly covers the details of my life experience such that a reader can follow my dot connection process that has led me to the conclusion I have been targeted by beings that had intentions of producing a messianic type being (which I failed at allowing myself to become) then I do not feel I have properly qualified myself to make further posts in Houman’s Horus-Ra thread.

I have promised this document but so far have only relayed bits and pieces of my life experience which does not suffice.

justoneman

¤=[Post Update]=¤

This morning, I wrote an e-mail to Mark Johnson and felt it was a good idea to post this e-mail -

Hi Mark, that was a highly interesting session. I went home very drained, went to sleep by 10 PM (extremely rare) and slept 10 hours. I was fairly busy with planned meetings yesterday but was able to reflect on the session a bit and put down some thoughts. I now have a reasonably consistent view of some things I feel I gained from the session.

This "sofie" thing is either a parasite or part of my own split mind. I have no clue. I will be honest that most of what came out from "sofie" was thoughts I had run across (with one major exception) in my past. The exception was this analog / digital dynamic. That will require some meditation for further investigation.

I recall being quite conscious. I seem to have a different view/understanding about the "hypnotic state." I realize now I have been self hypnotizing myself for years and years. It seems when I get into this state, that "sofie" thing gets involved.

Conclusions for now -
a.) that I have a split mind (due to trauma incidents when young) and that I have allowed the creation of alters.

and/or
b.) That I am in a relationship with an entity.

c.) if b.) is true then it is unclear if the entity is benevolent as well as honest with me. My gut says don't trust it at all whatsoever.

I want to make these following comments - I have spent most of my adult life (when not working) consciously investigating what may be going on with me personally as well as what may actually be going on in our world (with very little closed minded resistance). One could say I have been in an active investigation of "the shadow" side of human nature (at least my own) and have done so to some extent dangerously to myself - although I stand firm that I am (and thus we all are) perfect children of creation, immortal and eternal.

Due to my documentation and analysis of the mathematical probability of all of the synchronistic events/experiences/facts of just this one specific lifetime I am able to conclude without any doubt and to my fullest satisfaction that one or more of the following is true -

That I have been a target of a decades long experience which could have led me to believe I was some special and/or divine and/or chosen being which had a special purpose which ultimately would result in the salvation of the world.

I consider the possibility that the targeting entity could just be a part of myself... an alter perhaps and nothing more.

I consider the possibility that there may be a separate entity that is involved with me (this entity could be any single entity and/or part of a group of entities, entities at different levels of being as well as an ultimate level of possibility that has the capacity to consciously effect my actual reality experience as perceived by my five senses that is then considered and interpreted by my mind post experience). If this possibility is true, then I suspect this would be what has been labeled as "archontic forces" but then again... maybe not... maybe that's what I want to believe now as I seem to sense peace in "knowing."

And then my final consideration is, what if my experiences have been intervened by and manipulated by "archontic forces" but also, that my heart-call has been heard by benevolent beings of some form or another and that they have responded to my call by providing me answers to questions I have had along the way ala telepathic communication? So called "spirit guides" and/or "higher self" and or "god/source"

So I would say all in all, I am left with the consideration as to what level... what possibility-scape I may now want to dive into.

I am already well past any consideration that I am some "chosen and/or special being sent by god. I am very comfortable with the possibility I have simply fallen for other entity BS. I am sad to consider the possibility I have allowed my soul and/or spirit and or soul/spirit being to become entangled into a reincarnative complex of which other beings are involved in efforts at continuing the recycling of my essence such that I may never be able to leave or such that whatever I actually am at the essential state of being could be eaten up until there's nothing left... but then there goes my theory I (as us all) are perfect children of creation... immortal and eternal. Is that theory just a hope?

Perhaps, ultimately there is no "answer" to any of these questions of possibility. Perhaps it simply boils down to "choice" in which case I choose my theory to be "THE" truth.

And so then I find myself saved (for the moment) but then I immediately consider the victims of war and satanic ritual abuse that are very real occurrences in my now experience on earth. And that stuff just ain't right.

Kind Regards
Chester

[Flash]

Question to you, Justoneman, how would this entity proceeded to enter into you? I really mean technically, what did you live? Was it all unconscious or not and if not, how was it happening?

[9eagle9]

Sofie is a fragment. From another life, who knows? From wherever sofie was picked up its a fragmentation of self.
And....Things may have very well ended up much worse for you as a child if you did not have this Sofie.

Alternately parents impose roles on us as children when we cannot resist the role. You are correct this formation of Sofie has much to do with your parents.

We often times create a role or persona around the fragmentation TO fill a void. Especially as children. The new age-ers have little clue about contracts , the soul cannot be as they say unconditional and then carry a condition of a contract with it...lol. That is not understanding or examing one's belief but just accepting an externally made story flaws and all.

A child however can create a condition or a what is a contract by forming a defensive persona around an open wound. This is often times how imaginary friends are created by lonely children. They are not in the least aware they are doing this. The soul didn't create the contract the subconscious did, and usually for good reason.

I won't go into lurid explanations of Sofie or how she came to be but Sofie is a role, a persona, very real with self awareness. I not even refrain from suggesting she's a child inept attempt to create a surrogate parent.

Typically they are built from defense, to coat open psyche wounds, not that they are bad, or good, but they will interfere with places one needs to go if threatened.

Resisting and attempting to cut out these roles or personas is basically a labor in resisting. Finding the wound and healing it tends to diminish their interference.

External or self replicated one tends to find healing where they have taken hold of, the empty spaces, the blot out, the wound (what some call soul retrieval in error) typically helps with this.

Can these roles be leveraged externally.

Sure.

So there you are on the threshold of becoming whole.

[Billy]

Chester my first thoughts when you described your "walk in" was it is an archetype, not an outside being entering you but an archetypal character/personality, that one allows into your life when you are going through traumitic experiences. Usually childhood but also continues throughout lives experiences,

We allow many archetypes into our lives, They usually attach themselves to the Ego as a sort of safety valve after personal negative experiences. for example, Abuse, Disfunctional parents, Heart break, Abandonment, Regection Etc, They are the masks we wear throughout life, We all have them some more than others, some allow them to completely rule their lives manifesting anger, jealousy, insucurity. etc.

Archetypes can be set free by thanking them for being with you, Saying, now you do not serve my greatest good anymore, mission complete you can leave now. This would be a conscious expression, the subconscious takes a while to catch up on a conscious decision because of old habits and cycles etc, Shamans are experiences in this type of clearing. I was with one for 3yrs. I can recommend it.

Peace

[Chester]

For Flash - read this experience -

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44353-My-possible-abduction-experience

this is the event I perceive that this "entity" if it is that... came in. I was 6 years old and it was in the late fall of 1963 and I was living in a duplex with my mother and sister just north of Love Field (an airport) at the time of the event. It seems this event was very close to when Kennedy was assassinated.

I just saw all the responses I am getting and a tear has come to my eye... what amazing folks this forum has. wow

¤=[Post Update]=¤

this is the e-mail response I have just received from Mark Johnson... I responded back to him and those responses are inline with his mail.

Hi Chester,

Thanks for the update. I have had some problems in the past, bringing things home with me after a session, so I made sure to put protection in place before your session. Once I brought home a few ETs who were attempting to attach to me, they never did, but they were with me and wanting to connect. Close enough that they were blocking my meditation, but I know enough to be able to git rid of them.

I am still not sure exactly what was going on during your session during the Q&A portion. It was interesting what she said about guides, if they TELL you to do something they are not your guides, but if they offer an opinion/suggest something then they are likely guides. But the part about not having a guide seems unusual to me, not sure what's up with that. It might be interesting to see what happens in an LBL session, though it might also be good to check out something else before doing that.

I asked my wife to take a look and she gave me some info about you, but I need to ask her again when she is not so tired. It was just basic stuff about you, nothing about others who may be with you. I found the information about the grays to be interesting that they are from the future, and are trying to find a way to survive, was that something you knew already, or was that new information?

Was pre-loaded information obtained from watching several Project Camelot interviews, specifically those with Dan Burisch... but when that came out, it was very clear and seemed very much in tune with the flow from "sofie"


I have this friend in New Mexico who can work with you remotely and figure out if you have any sort of attachments, be they earthbound or ET attachments, and he can also get rid of them for you, if you so desire. Grays are sneaky little bastards, and since they did come up during the session I would not be surprised if they are somehow involved in some of the things that are going on with you, even as far as the monitor in your head. I also believe I got mixed answers in terms of that, which makes me wonder. Initially I heard they are monitoring you from Orion, but then latter when I mentioned that she said not it's Sirius, they are monitoring you from Sirius. I think I did hear Orion initially.

I will need to hear the audio to make sure of what came forth about Orion as I cannot recall that part at all. I will state that I have always had a strange sense that my father was related heavily to Orion and specifically the Draconians and that my mother was related to the Pleiadians and that somehow the Sirians got into the mix in a strange way to "create a three way being."

Anyway, more to share I am sure by both of us, but I have to get for now. Let me know if you'd likje to speak with my buddy Chris in NM

I am open to speaking with Chris... would like to know what that entails... in being fully honest, I am a bit reluctant to wanting my "relationship" to end, though I have been advised by some folks I highly respect to "get rid of the thing" if indeed "the thing" exists. I may also be experiencing the Stockholm syndrome in this regard. So YES, let's explore hooking me up with Chris, perhaps he does Skype... would be great to speak with him about this and see what that might entail...

Again, Thanks Mark! Until soon... Chester

Later...

Mark

ps... I am starting to work on your recording today.... may have it done by this evening....


Mark V Johnson

[Daughter of Time]

Hi Justone,

Thank you for sharing your experiences.

Your dream sounds like astral travel. Once upon a time I used to get very excited when i realized i was astral travelling. But then I learned that entities from the astral plane can attach to you without you having any clue other than you begin to experience a type of split personality, and usually it's so mild that you may not even notice.

If the being attached to you is an astral entity, then it should not be too difficult to deal with. I used to have several entities attached to me. They left me with the help of my ex scientologist friend I spoke about in Houman's thread.

When one of my colleagues died some years ago, he tried to force himself into me. I was very aware of that and it took a lot of convincing before he left me alone. He was gay and wanted to continue experiencing life's carnal pleasures through the body of a woman and since he admired me, he felt this was the thing to do.

If this is an astral entity, you just have to talk to whoever it is and tell him/her that you release them with love and that being with you doesn't help you nor them, etc., You will put it into your own words and usually, sooner or later, they understand. Usually their aim is not to destroy you, but to prolong their earthly experience.

If this entity is the product of alien manipulation, then it will be trickier. i cannot advice you here as I'm dealing with my own alien traumas.

Good luck peeling the layers.

Love and peace.

[Hervé]

Hi Folks

[...]

The discussion time went about 1.5 hours and the actual “hypnosis” session went about 6.25 hours, so it ended up close to an 8 hour venture.

[...]
One when I was 6 years old and the other began as a dream event when I was 36 years old. I have never had an abduction experience by Grays that I am aware of in this lifetime but I did have a dream about 6 weeks ago where I was with Grays and who were trying to implant me with a black crescent shaped object that seemed made of glass and which I was willing to accept (all in the dream).

[...]

What came out of the session yesterday is that this event was what they call a “walk – in.”

I am going to state right now that after the session, I immediately felt I was being BS’d by myself! This is very difficult to explain. Let me try anyways. I felt in a daze somewhat after the session. I came home to where I am living (which happens to be with my ex-wife’s father and his current wife who are both in their 60s). Victoria, his wife, wanted to know all about it and I did not want to talk about it at all. I ate a huge meal, read the latest posts in Houman’s thread here and went to bed at 10 PM (very early for me) and I slept 10 hours (very long for me).

I had one dream where people were being violently abused by other people near the time I woke up. I awoke considering the dream and felt it was Satanist humans performing ritual abuse to innocent humans. I was only an observer in the dream, like a bird flying above the event.

[...]

I think I was simply a vulnerable six year old as I had just recently been taken away from my father who I loved dearly by my mother who I never trusted. I was taken from my father due to a divorce. My theory is that the invading being entered me due to this void. Anyways, back to the session.

[...]

I had been sent to a psychiatiric hospital where I had created a relationship with a Doctor Mark Unterberg (wow, just noticed he is another Mark! haha). I ended up maintaining my relationship with Dr. Unterberg throughout my life and have recently seen him again. During my sessions in the 90s I noticed he would fall asleep at times. I had no clue it was my voice that was inducing this state. Just last month, after not seeing Dr. Unterberg for years, we made contact and he asked to see me. I saw him three times (at no expense I might add).

[...]

... highly interesting session. I went home very drained, went to sleep by 10 PM (extremely rare) and slept 10 hours.

[...]

... I realize now I have been self hypnotizing myself for years and years. It seems when I get into this state, that "sofie" thing gets involved.

[...]

... that my heart-call has been heard by benevolent beings of some form or another and that they have responded to my call by providing me answers to questions I have had along the way ala telepathic communication? So called "spirit guides" and/or "higher self" and or "god/source"

[...]

Kind Regards
Chester

Hi Chester,

Thanks for posting the data regarding your session. Very valuable in order to compare with data from other quarters.

Caveats... check (or recheck) the "Greenbaum Speech (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit&p=485533&viewfull=1#post485533)" where the followings are encountered:


Now one of the things that I would very carefully check is, I would suggest that you ask the core, not just the unconscious mind, ask the core, "Is there any part inside that continues to have contact with people associated with the Cult? Is there any part inside who goes to Cult rituals or meetings? Is there a recording device inside of Mary," if that's the host's name, "a recording device inside so that someone can find out the things that are said in sessions?" This doesn't mean they're monitored. Many of them just simply have it. "Is there someone who debriefs some part inside for what happens in our therapy sessions?" I have the very uncomfortable feeling from some past experience that when you look at this you will find the large proportion of ritual-abuse victims in this country are having their ongoing therapy monitored.

I remember a woman who came in about twenty-four years old, claimed her father was a Satanist. Her parents divorced when she was six. After that it would only when her father had visitation and he would take her to rituals sometimes up until age fifteen. She said, "I haven't gone to anything since I was fifteen." Her therapist believed this at face value. We sat in my office. We did a two-hour inquiry using hypnosis. We found the programming present. In addition to that we found that every therapy session was debriefed and in fact they had told her to get sick and not come to the appointment with me.


Or check (or recheck) Annalie's webpages (http://artemesiaspeaks.wordpress.com/about/):



Phases of the Work
Pre Session
The session ‘begins’ when one states the INTENT to do the work, to clear out the problems, to let one’s own spirit shine through. As soon as one sets this intent, any internal interference knows about it, so it’s not uncommon to get some ‘defragging’ from this even beforehand. For me this included some negative energies on the part of my family directed at me, resentment from them, and within me feelings of anxiety, restlessness and even physical illness symptoms including a terrible respiratory infection, massive asthma attacks and also an ear infection which required antibiotics, something I have not experienced since I was a child, but was a regular artifact of my young life. All this, I understand now, was due to the entities pulling ride-alongs in my body and also interfering with me externally getting ansy about their gig being up.


[...]

The Session
Because I am not in Australia and do not currently live near any HK practitioners who have trained with Steve, I had my sessions done with a surrogate. One practitioner surrogates my spirit through his body (so my spirit can speak through his vehicle and report what it’s seeing in the dreamtime through him). Another practitioner helps with the clearing, asks spirit questions, helps clarify detrimental beliefs that may be holding the traumatic events in time in loopback, reactivating them in the current lifetime, etc. She deals with any entities that surface, offering them choices, reading them their rights, sending them to their own dimension of time to experience what they have been doing to people, etc.

[...]

Entities
Some of the entities which surface in the sessions I am sharing publically include Sirian greys, Pleiadeans (not so benevolent as the new age would have you believe!) winged serpents (which are a variation of Draco reptilians), full blow Dracos w/ wings high in the reptilian hierarchy, little greys, and various thought forms and genetic clusters that have become living entities. To understand the thought forms, these things go from an INTENT at their creation, to a thought form, to a life form, to a full blown entity, the more it is ‘fed’ through time. As everything has a right to life, these entities will justify their own existence and whatever they are doing to survive (feed on energy) even if it is detrimental to another spirit.

[...]

Post Session
During this first session I soaked in a hot salt water bath at the start for maybe 20 minutes, then felt very drowsy and passed out asleep. It took slightly over two hours to complete, and in the immediate communication I received from the practitioner post session, my spirit was REALLY ready to do this work and it started out like wildfire, just racing through stuff. Perhaps this is why I had to go to sleep in my body! I woke up promptly as the session was ending, oddly enough, and felt groggy and kind of ‘out of it’ or in-between worlds I might say for about 40 minutes. However I instantly felt lighter, soooo much better than I had for as long as I could remember. The effects were immediate and PROFOUND. In the few days between when the session was done and when I received this transcript, I went through some ups and downs, but felt overall a million times better than I’d ever felt.

[...]

First HK Session – Annalie, January 2012
Just to let you know Mark and I work in a controlled and safe environment and anything that we get rid of cannot come back unless you specifically ask it to – don’t laugh some people feel so lost without their interference they do silly things. Embrace this wonderful clear and in alignment self and enjoy it.

[Hervé]

Apparently, Annalie is working hard on Steve Richards' interview transcript in collaboration with an HK practitioner:



Beginning tomorrow I will dedicate myself to getting the interview transcribed. This could take a few days, so please be patient. In great news for this project, Robyn, the HK practitioner (who is Australian) who has been helping me, who knows a thing or two about doing transcriptions, will be working with me jointly on this, so that we make sure to get all the cultural nuances, the rapid dialect and the deep and mind-bending concepts discussed clear. If anyone was wondering, in the meantime, here is a link to what a ‘ute’ is.
http://www.core77.com/blog/object_culture/australias_new_ute_the_return_of_the_el_camino_7244.asp
Nope, not the tribe of native people in Utah, but a sort of pickup truck a-la El Camino. Who knew?

This interview, to me, is of prime importance since it gives a totally different perspective on the whole thing.

Download MP3s: Part 1 (http://www.divshare.com/direct/18152999-ed7.mp3) Part 2 (http://www.divshare.com/direct/18153032-794.mp3) (right click and ‘Save As’ to download)

[NancyV]

Chester, thanks for posting. Very interesting! My suggestion would be that if you truly WANT to keep this energy/entity as a part of you, then do so. In addition don't take anyone else's suggestion, including mine, as more important than your own instincts.

I'm sure my husband either has a second being within him or he's a walk-in. It also happened when he was 6 years old. He was electrocuted and afterwards he turned from a sweet, loving boy into a reclusive and angry, aggressive type of boy. I have told him that he either has an entity or is a walk-in and he is perfectly happy to keep it. It has kept him alive in many life threatening situations and in wars. The name of this being is "Blackheart" which was the name given to him by Hmong tribesmen in Vietnam. It's a powerful warrior entity and I've seen it several times. It's VERY scary! LOL...

Depending on how close you are to this entity or archetype, or how valuable it is to you, you might be better off keeping it, in fact it might be worse for you if you try to exorcise it. What's interesting to me is that when I spent years traveling out of body I would often merge with other beings... some of them were not very nice. When we merged we were one being. That being was ME. I incorporated the other being into myself and vice versa and "I" was still in charge...so there was only one. Perhaps it works similarly here on earth in certain instances, so I don't automatically think having another entity merged with you is negative, unless it is controlling you against your will.

I guess the important thing would be to decide if you feel controlled or you feel comfortable when this being might seem to be more in charge than other aspects of your personality that you think are better or nicer. There is a big difference between being possessed or controlled versus willingly accepting an entity as another aspect of yourself. I know my husband would not feel comfortable or be happy if he got rid of Blackheart. So it's totally up to you and you will make the correct decision for yourself... even if everyone else disagrees with what you decide.

[the_vast_mystery]

How expensive is doing stuff like this? Is it something one has to save up for, or are there cheaper options?
I've been wanting to do this for a while, it's just been very difficult to muster up the $400-some dollars I've heard it'll cost per session to try this stuff.

[9eagle9]

That being essential form shamanic healing that brings together certain concepts of shamanic healing that are typically not expanded on in such detail. It's given me a different perspective on healing in general (I no longer work with people but would almost be tempted to return to it after that perspective). But what is described on the website are sound principles of shamanic healing, I didn't see any goo or fluff. Pretty hardcore. Being as that are sound shamanic principles you could try to find someone in the area who is a shamanic healer. They may not be of the same culture but should be at least away of the principles as described on the website.

The problem is.....

There's been a deliberate blurring of shamanic healing and shamanic practices. Shamanic practitioners would not be able to facilitate the same sort of effect as described by HK. Unfortunately shamanic practitioners think they are shamanic healers because they don't know the difference between states of being and practice.

But if you were to find a sound shamanic healer you could likely begin initiating some work similar to this for a much lower cost closer to home.

The problem is separating the wheat from the chaff.

I personally don't do this sort of work anymore save for a few people who have actually demonstrated they want to participate in their own healing process but I can vouch for the efficacy of what was described on the website.

[Hervé]

That being essential form shamanic healing that brings together certain concepts of shamanic healing that are typically not expanded on in such detail. It's given me a different perspective on healing in general (I no longer work with people but would almost be tempted to return to it after that perspective). But what is described on the website are sound principles of shamanic healing, I didn't see any goo or fluff. Pretty hardcore. Being as that are sound shamanic principles you could try to find someone in the area who is a shamanic healer. They may not be of the same culture but should be at least away of the principles as described on the website.

The problem is.....

There's been a deliberate blurring of shamanic healing and shamanic practices. Shamanic practitioners would not be able to facilitate the same sort of effect as described by HK. Unfortunately shamanic practitioners think they are shamanic healers because they don't know the difference between states of being and practice.

But if you were to find a sound shamanic healer you could likely begin initiating some work similar to this for a much lower cost closer to home.

The problem is separating the wheat from the chaff.

I personally don't do this sort of work anymore save for a few people who have actually demonstrated they want to participate in their own healing process but I can vouch for the efficacy of what was described on the website.

The interesting part is that Steve Richards, in the interview I linked to above, mentions that what he is doing is NOT shamanism -- beside the overall aspect of dealing with spirits and the spirit world -- but something different.

[9eagle9]

Don't shoot the messenger, everything he has listed on his website are sound , integrated, and demonstratable principals of shamanic healing.I don't see anything on there that an AUTHENTIC shaman doesn't do regardless if they are using if for healing or not.

Whatever he decides to call, it those are principles of shamanic healing, which is mostly (or should be) based in older indigenous and aboriginal healing philosophies.

Granted in modern times shamanism has been reduced to so much prattle no one knows what it is anymore, but I don't see anything on there that is not an integrated, established, or demonstrable healing facility. Whatever one decides to call it.

Dreamtime, time looping, removing holographic crud--one can call it whatever they want, it is what it is.

[9eagle9]

I should add most integrated authentic shamans don't refer to themselves as such, as it is a state of being , not a label. Something you ARE not something you do, in a manner of speaking.

A state of being that can be achieved by initiating the practices as listed on the website.

Makes sense to me that he'd detach from the label though, because it is a label that is being worn thin by those who are talking heads instead of healing hands.

[Chester]

Hi Folks... honestly I am overwhelmed with the responses - specifically the heart I feel coming through. I can only say thank you. I want to respond to each post and yet I am swamped with four things -

The first is some personal matters related to my sons and my next ventures in employment as I am a contractor.

The second relates specifically to my situation with these entities as it appears I am having to sort out more than one entity and/or group of entities which has complicated the matter. I have had dialogue with a few folks from this forum that have assisted in expanding my mind as to the possibilities which is good but has also made my analysis more complex.

The third is my continuation in reading, studying Houman's Horus-Ra thread, several materials recommended to me by Amzer Zo, and now Vivek is back with some very thought provoking threads and I must admit this third activity is my favorite of these four (though when it comes to my sons, my wife and her daughter... they get first dibs).

The fourth item is actually a project. That being a recap of the elements, events, experiences of my life which have me certain without doubt I have exposed myself to "archontic forces" and at more than one level of the archontic structure. I feel I owe it to this forum to put together a recap of these highlights and do so in a single, cohesive document as opposed to revealing bits and pieces when some post has stimulated me to bring that piece out. I say this because for a reader to understand why I am certain I was targeted for (and thus equally ripe for) specific messianic programming, they would have to be provided a fluid and dot connected presentation. I also promised I would produce this to Houman and considering the work he has done and continues to do I am very motivated to fulfill my promise.

Thus, I am going to forgo for now any in depth response to those who have posted their impressions and/or recommendations to me until I produce "my story" as promised to Houman. Then when I do I will post the significant specifics of my session with Mark Johnson which I can only do once I have received the audio file.

Again... thanks folks, justoneman

[Chester]

I had to make a brief update... basically because I feel some folks actually read and consider some of what I write.

I will be direct. - I am now pretty much uncomfortable with "hypnosis." Now don't read into this that I have anything negative to say about Mark Johnson, in fact, I love the guy... he was super comfortable to be with and went well beyond the contractual obligation we made.

I am just referring to the process I used to attempt to gain more understanding about what the heck I may have been (and still am) dealing with.

One of my concerns lies in the fact that it has taken me several days to regain my sovereignty. In addition, I am concerned that by "going under" I actually allowed more than one entity other than myself to "speak" with me. To clarify, I have this strange feeling that I am dealing with a "walk-in" situation but also that I am dealing with one or more other entities which have pretended to be the walk-in entity in hopes of further confusing me.

Now that I am aware of what I am dealing with (as I have tested this theory the past few days and proven well enough to myself this is the case), I am in a holding pattern as to what (if any) actions I will take.

I still have not received the audio from my session.

I am not so sure what I will do when I do receive it, certainly not provide a transcript as I don't see the value in the time input required to do so.

One more item in being as honest as I can. I was near the end of Truman Cash's Eye of Ra (three or so days before my scheduled appointment) when I came to a conclusion that I probably should not embark upon the hypnosis experiment and, well... I did so primarily because I had obligated myself to Mark as well as hyped it up on this forum. In hindsight, I see it as a mistake and I wished that I had not done so and I wished also that I had saved the $325 as that's a lot of money to me these days... hope you see this comment, Vast.

Anyways... just an update from justone

[eileenrose]

My two cents.

Don't mess with the entities (ie. spirits, dead people...in one sense...not really my calling to try to explain them). The only good ones I've run into our the ones helping John of God in Brazil (I mean it).

I realize that people like the word shaman to add to their personal list of acheivements. That is the opposite of where you should be if you take on that sort of work (I have....in a different way).

It you arn't in a traditional tribe situation where they've safely work with entities (and still are) and you are part of their cultural traditions/values/ideas....go for it. Otherwise....in this culture...you will attract negative entities due to our cultures perversions. And they are vast (these perversions...rather not go into on this thread).

...and if this doesn't apply to you, then let what I said go (I didn't read your story about this...don't need more negative entities trying to latch on).

[the_vast_mystery]

I had to make a brief update... basically because I feel some folks actually read and consider some of what I write.

I will be direct. - I am now pretty much uncomfortable with "hypnosis." Now don't read into this that I have anything negative to say about Mark Johnson, in fact, I love the guy... he was super comfortable to be with and went well beyond the contractual obligation we made.

I am just referring to the process I used to attempt to gain more understanding about what the heck I may have been (and still am) dealing with.

One of my concerns lies in the fact that it has taken me several days to regain my sovereignty. In addition, I am concerned that by "going under" I actually allowed more than one entity other than myself to "speak" with me. To clarify, I have this strange feeling that I am dealing with a "walk-in" situation but also that I am dealing with one or more other entities which have pretended to be the walk-in entity in hopes of further confusing me.

Now that I am aware of what I am dealing with (as I have tested this theory the past few days and proven well enough to myself this is the case), I am in a holding pattern as to what (if any) actions I will take.

I still have not received the audio from my session.

I am not so sure what I will do when I do receive it, certainly not provide a transcript as I don't see the value in the time input required to do so.

One more item in being as honest as I can. I was near the end of Truman Cash's Eye of Ra (three or so days before my scheduled appointment) when I came to a conclusion that I probably should not embark upon the hypnosis experiment and, well... I did so primarily because I had obligated myself to Mark as well as hyped it up on this forum. In hindsight, I see it as a mistake and I wished that I had not done so and I wished also that I had saved the $325 as that's a lot of money to me these days... hope you see this comment, Vast.

Anyways... just an update from justone

Hypnosis is just one way, it's a tool to try and learn more about who we are by what we say when deeply disconnected with who we are in the here and now. But each of us has our own path to walk, and that's what makes us unique. ^_^ Thank you for sharing what you have. I deeply appreciate it.

In my own case I can already tell that my strong propensity to "want to believe" will probably end up being parlayed into a level of trust or inquisitiveness in anything discovered rather than fear or concern. If anything reading Houman's thread has made me positively ecstatic with the possibilities. If these "illuminati" or whomever can achieve such destructive results with it, then I'm sure the opposite could be done as well. Being a computer programmer I see it as one potential chance to work with my subconscious or unconscious mind directly to be a great asset. If they can write these "programs" against others will, I can certainly get rid of those and write superior programs that work WITH me to get me where I want to be.

It's just a matter of getting that intermediary going so I can see what people put in there (and what I have to work with) and then how much I can leverage that to my advantage. I'll have to post a thread if/when it happens, it should be before the end of August. It's the least I can do considering you put all of this for our assistance. :)

[9eagle9]

It depends on what one perceives a shaman to be.

It's a state of being. Not anything that anyone is doing.

If a shaman is 'doing' something chances are they are not in their being-ness.

JustOneMan,

Don't over analyze , there is a ten to 21 day integration process that occurs after having such work done. During this time stuff sheds off and uncomfortable thoughts and feelings rise to the surface.

Enties that are attached to you will speak under hypnosis, so will a truer self be revealed behind the critical barrier, kicking yourself over the episode of that occurred doesn't do anything. It made you aware of something you were not aware of and now you are rattled by that awareness.

Unless you are a healer and have experience with this sort of thing your mind will go all over the place with it.

The thing is an entity can only attach if there is something to attach to. You might want to focus on self work for a while instead of hypnotic work and work on what ever areas an entity could attach to.


My two cents.

Don't mess with the entities (ie. spirits, dead people...in one sense...not really my calling to try to explain them). The only good ones I've run into our the ones helping John of God in Brazil (I mean it).

I realize that people like the word shaman to add to their personal list of acheivements. That is the opposite of where you should be if you take on that sort of work (I have....in a different way).

It you arn't in a traditional tribe situation where they've safely work with entities (and still are) and you are part of their cultural traditions/values/ideas....go for it. Otherwise....in this culture...you will attract negative entities due to our cultures perversions. And they are vast (these perversions...rather not go into on this thread).

...and if this doesn't apply to you, then let what I said go (I didn't read your story about this...don't need more negative entities trying to latch on).

[NancyV]

I had to make a brief update... basically because I feel some folks actually read and consider some of what I write.

I will be direct. - I am now pretty much uncomfortable with "hypnosis." Now don't read into this that I have anything negative to say about Mark Johnson, in fact, I love the guy... he was super comfortable to be with and went well beyond the contractual obligation we made.

I am just referring to the process I used to attempt to gain more understanding about what the heck I may have been (and still am) dealing with.

One of my concerns lies in the fact that it has taken me several days to regain my sovereignty. In addition, I am concerned that by "going under" I actually allowed more than one entity other than myself to "speak" with me. To clarify, I have this strange feeling that I am dealing with a "walk-in" situation but also that I am dealing with one or more other entities which have pretended to be the walk-in entity in hopes of further confusing me.

I know exactly what you mean, justoneman! All my life I have not easily accepted anyone trying to hypnotize me. I usually tell them I can't be hypnotized and a few times when someone has insisted I have let them try. But it doesn't work because I don't accept it. It is probably that I find myself unable to give up my sovereignty to anyone, other than the Source or God. But when I do that I know it's merging with a part of me.

I'm sure your instincts are very good! It's funny how we often insist on going against our instincts because of one reason or another. It's usually always a good lesson in learning to trust ourselves more. Also the friends/entities who are traveling with or within you may be giving you some help and you may be hearing them more. I don't sense that they are malevolent although they might be sort of tricksters, which isn't always malevolent. It can be a good experience to deal with different types of entities as it prepares you for other dimensional travels where there are LOTS of them.

I've always gotten good energy from your posts, maybe a bit of confusion here and there but always positive and good intentions. So if you're a walk-in, you're a good one. If you want to get rid of the other entities it's not that hard to do. If your will power is very strong you can order them to leave. If you want to co-exist with them then have no fear. Fear is the easiest way for them to control us. Fear makes them more "real" and increases their power and influence.

I treat them like pesky little children or if they are malevolent I get very nasty and blast them with anger. Love works better for me in other dimensions but here on earth anger is a great tool. It's not exactly anger, it's more like a blast of power which some might interpret as anger since it's pretty scary and hostile sounding.
:kiss:

[9eagle9]

Ack. Hypnosis isn't about sovereignty, or having one's sovereignty treaded on. At least it shouldn't be. A person hypnotizes themselves. The hypnotist should only be a guide to focus on. The guy who works with me on my personal hypnosis can help me to go far far into state to the point it 'appears' that I am in a trance. It only appears that way to the observer because my body is so relaxed its limp and and my vocal cords are so relaxed I can't respond properly. I sound different even and people assume an enity has entered my body but its just me being too lazy to speak and too relaxed to speak well.

Nor do I feel any compunction to correct this limped out. But... I'm fully conscious during this time, as conscious as I am now just a sharpened short of consciousness where I could hear a pin drop in the next room but..have a 250 pound man impose so much pressure on my arm he brings it to the point of breaking and I don't feel a thing. . Fully awake and aware, I'm just in state.

A good hypnotist should know if 'something' is attempting to intrude or if something has been brought to the surface.

Hypnosis typically doesn't bring any altered states of consciousness . Most people save for the deep physical and mental relaxation they experience don't have any sort of profound change in consciousness save for a sense of loss of time. Being in state for 15 minutes really feels no different than being state for two hours.

Hypnosis does have physical symptoms that you'd not be aware of since you are not observing yourself unless you go into Ultra Height hypnosis. So even though you may think you are not in hypnosis or resisting it you are very much in state. One can tell by the physical symptoms that a person in state even if they think otherwise.There's really no defining point between 'in state' and 'out of state' that the particpant can nail down. The hypnotist should be able to .

No more than one can define when they drifted into a road trance when driving which is form of auto hypnosis. One is not aware they are in road hypnosis till they snap out of it and realize they've been driving on auto pilot for miles. Of course you are still conscious during this time or you would have ran off the road but its hard to find that defining point of when you went into state and one is only aware they did that when the pop out.

We go in and out of state all day long, when reading or getting in absorbed in something. A mild hypnotic trance occurs.

[the_vast_mystery]

Sad to say, but part of me hopes it's not the way you describe it. Otherwise I'd quickly interrupt the session and leave disappointed. I've always expected hypnosis to illicit a powerful involuntary response. If it's no different than relaxation it won't work on me. I don't "relax" short of passing out, and it's hard as hell for me to do that without some, ahem, medicinal aid these days.

-_-;;

[9eagle9]

It will provoke an involuntary response you are just conscious while you're doing it. One is aware of their own involuntary response but the usual filters and inhibitions don't prevent it's expression. You may find yourself thinking, Oh geez, where's THAT coming from, but you aren't inclined to shut it down.

I mean I can do that without putting people in state, when they start talking consciously about something I just interrupt them and ask them to speak from the subconscious and they start blurting out all sorts of weird stuff.

Not a talent or an ability its just re-direction.

YOu do want to have to relax though.

Different induction methods work better for different people

[Anchor]

Fascinating.

First, thanks for posting this thread.

This may not help you very much, its all I have that is relevant.

From what I have read of your report, it is not a walk-in event. Neither in the BS new-age sense nor the real one.

If it was a walk-in, you would probably be called sofie by now.

Walk-in events are usually traumatic and involve the temporary bodily death. You'll often either read about associated coma, which is handy because otherwise the medical profession would have to say well um, yes he got hit by a cement mixer, was bought in DOA but then came back to life and woke up, terrible injuries but made a spectacular recovery... funny that everyone who knew him says the accident has "changed him".

Exit one soul, enter another. Consequently it is a big deal, and you had better hope that in such events, it is done by agreement :) There are walk-ins on this forum. They may pipe up and say something about it for you.

justoneman I'll say this for you... you have some serious balls. It is my impression that you have all the balls you need to see this one right to the end.

All power to you.

Anchor..

[9eagle9]

Hypnosis will be of no value to if you are suspicious of it. But this sort of work shouldn't be initiated alone and its not because of any spooky reason its just hat we can't see our own attachments. It's the itch in the middle of your back that you can't scratch.

Shamanic work on its own doesn't work because they typically don't counsel or address the internal source of the problem where an attachment has lodged but remove the entity in an elaborate display of spitting and handing wavin, and then the entity or another promptly returns. Some do, whiich is why that HK work appeals to me as integrated, one should have their healing process and the mechanics of it fully explained to them.

Find someone who is not scared of working in this sort of stuff because that just defeats the purpose, parasitical energies thrive even on healers who claim to remove them because they view them as having some sort of power. Having the wounded working with the wounded is never a good idea.

Entity removal suffices , perhaps long enough, to get them away so they are not leveraging the wounded or blanked out place, but the core of the issue has to be addressed. That is the part that you own, no matter how wounded, and that is the part that you can manage.

Attachments are self created as well, and can become self aware leading one to believe they are infested with a parasitical energy or ...allow a walk in door way.

A walk in cannot walk in unless there is door for it to come in through so one has to find the door, and the observer is more more more than likely to find it than the participant. Or a wound to attach to. My mother was a walk in and it wasn't as if her true personality were banished, it was overwhelmed. She didn't know she was a walk in but blurted out to me , even though she didn't realize what she spoke of, when the walk in episode occurred.

It doesn't MATTER though if its an entity, a walk in, a self aware fragment and people who don't know healing , don't know the human psyche, route and verse will have you chasing your tail forever with banal externalizations.

We have the control to abate that which we own, which is their attachment points. I could spend all day entertaining myself by breaking down GFL constructs, but the transmission is mutual, those who are attached into it will build it back up again, and basically the time unplugging one million people from an artificer intelligence is better spent help the few who want to do their work. It also means I'm playing that game.

so basically you need someone who knows how to ferret out wounds, how to navigate the psyche, pull those wounds forward, help you to cut the attachment with them. Understand and know your own woundedness instead of resisting it or creating more fear around it.

In the meantime that person should be giving something for you to do in the times that you are not working with them directly.

One should go in cut and slash, allow a few weeks integration time as the dust settles, and them come back and delve in a little deeper.

Hypnosis is helpful to bring resistant stuff to the surface but its not strictly necessary. 95 percent can be addressed without it.

Possession is epidemic, 100 percent of the population is attached to something in some way. The reality of the situation is that I personally, a former professional of this stuff, works on my self daily, or at least several times a week in some fashion or another. Not because I'm afraid that something is going to infiltrate me but it enhances my quality of life, my higher expression, my higher intellgience, my vibrational out put, my manifestation ability, my self authority, those are all my defenses not the ability to hoard up inside myself and defend myself, but how much power I'm expressing outwardly.

We are exposed to a lot of misleading information and I would not be telling you this stuff if I had not done all this stuff for myself, and I still do it.

For all the 'talk' and information about scrubbing one's pineal gland (which isn't necessary either) people still do not see attachments large or small and I don't care if they put the Hubble Telescrope in front of the their third eye like giant contact lens it is very hard to see our own **** and work it out alone.

Four times a year minimum i work with another woman and she ferrets out my '****'. And vice versa, I ferret hers out. In all other respects, she drags me out of the closet and we work together, she just nails this **** an pulls it off. But she needs me to find the point of entry, and to remove the entity. Tag teaming. Some people are resistant to this and I figure putting them in state is not going to abate that resistance, I morally cannot hold people in state 24 hours a day and the moment they come out of state and start resisting their own healing process its just pointless to help guide them into state in the first place.

The best I can do is get them behind all their own **** and allow them while in state to feel the nature of their own true self and hope that they are anxious to try to come back into that place by doing their healing work out of state. Or put them so far into state they can begin observing themselves. So they can see for themselves where their crap is at.

But one has to want to do the work, and once you get your first break through and start feeling that first expression of your own power....

I might add when I go into these places behind my consciousness persona, and enter that place, where I'm laughing my ass off, someone who is observing will ALWAYS try to label or 'attach' it when it is something that is entirely free from attachments. The point of all this work is not to heal wounds but to bring wholeness forward.

[Hervé]

[...]

.... If they can write these "programs" against others will, I can certainly get rid of those and write superior programs that work WITH me to get me where I want to be.

It's just a matter of getting that intermediary going so I can see what people put in there (and what I have to work with) and then how much I can leverage that to my advantage. I'll have to post a thread if/when it happens, it should be before the end of August. It's the least I can do considering you put all of this for our assistance. :)

Yep... Sure... and this planet ended up in a so-called "Cold War" with the use and proliferation of nuclear energy no one knows what to do with nor how to safely dispose of; it just sits there to generate the fear of "what if it goes kaboom?"

Same with these "beyond-the-veil" energies which have been built up and consolidated for eons... great idea but it needs to be examined with a long-view since the so-called "white magicians" have been "disappeared" for ages, cf. the history of the "Inquisition" and of the Cathares or MKultra scooping out all the kids showing any kind of psychic abilities. 'em have been fighting each other for eons... see Duncan O'Finioan and Miranda stories and backgrounds, or even our own Siberia9 and 9eagle9 in all their posts and battles against the "Necrophiliacs."

I do thank you for posting the idea since without it, it would have been floating around in people's mind without the above counter-weight to it.

It all "weights" in the end.

[Hervé]

About hypnosis, here is something an old Gypsy "Sorcerer" had to say about it:



Something to take into consideration with regards to hypnosis:

Here are the words from a very old oral tradition echoed to the ears of an apprentice to the Gypsy tradition (Pierre Derlon, Voyage au delà du Mental):



“Never in my life have I ever used hypnosis as my masters constantly repeated to me that what destroys Man’s will, destroys Man. Hypnosis destroys consciousness of motion and therefore massacres personality. For hypnosis is to a man’s brain what drug is to his body: a poison which, by killing his will, enslaves his soul into only perceiving lies.

“The difference between drugs and mental disciplines is that drugs kill; whereas, whichever ascetic discipline chosen, it strengthens/empowers. Man is prisoner of drugs, he is the master of the disciplines he subjects his body to in order to free his spirit from the gangue he is prisoner of.

"Man is ignorant of the fact that he is both a machine as well as its mechanics. He distances himself from nature and resorts to artifice. Artifice slowly kills him."


How to do it without hypnosis and/or Carmody's kind of determination?

Here is a site one can start from.

http://web.archive.org/web/20110208115750/http://matrixrevealed.com/ [Truman Cash's former website cached on the Wayback time machine]

Do read what the guy has to say... and you may realize that it's hypnosis that creates and maintains the skull dwelling zombies also known as sheeples.

As the old master mentioned, the "enemy camp's" use of hypnosis furthers Man's destruction with their abductions and post-hypnotic implanted commands and behaviours....

[Chester]

Fascinating.

First, thanks for posting this thread.

This may not help you very much, its all I have that is relevant.

From what I have read of your report, it is not a walk-in event. Neither in the BS new-age sense nor the real one.

If it was a walk-in, you would probably be called sofie by now.

Walk-in events are usually traumatic and involve the temporary bodily death. You'll often either read about associated coma, which is handy because otherwise the medical profession would have to say well um, yes he got hit by a cement mixer, was bought in DOA but then came back to life and woke up, terrible injuries but made a spectacular recovery... funny that everyone who knew him says the accident has "changed him".

Exit one soul, enter another. Consequently it is a big deal, and you had better hope that in such events, it is done by agreement :) There are walk-ins on this forum. They may pipe up and say something about it for you.

justoneman I'll say this for you... you have some serious balls. It is my impression that you have all the balls you need to see this one right to the end.

All power to you.

Anchor..

Thanks for this particular post and for this reason...

The being that called itself "sofie" said she was a walk in but that what normally happens with a walk in is that the host being leaves the body that the walk in takes over. What "sofie" said was that I would not leave and thus we became a twin souled being. I know this sounds nuts but this is what in fact came out.

Now here's my next promise -

I just received the recording last night. I am going to do the following:

Before I listen to the recording, I am going to write up my current view of the session. In the write up I will point out one very interesting thing that came out of the session that I have not brought up yet (because I wanted to review it thoroughly before putting it out there).

I also want to resolve my dilemma regarding the three metaphorical supernatural beings Jesus, Lucifer and satan so that I can anchor in a new view and move on from my questions there so that I am freer to explore other ideas and concepts.

Once I have done this - which will take me about 24 hours... I will post these two "pieces" - the one as to how I view the session's results to be posted in this thread and my Jesus, Lucifer, satan dilemma resolution to be posted in Vivek's thread entitled A New World Order: Exposing the Luciferian Agenda found under the Conspiracy category.

Once there's been sufficient dialogue about my session interpretations... perhaps a day or so, I will then listen to my session recordings and write up a new interpretation. I will also post the link to these session recordings such that anyone who may want can download the complete recording of my session. Mark recorded approxiamtely 4 hours of the session - he recorded all of it but the very unimportant beginnings. (Note: this means we spent almost 4 hours in pre-session discussion... I had earlier guessed we had only spent a few hours in pre-session discussion).

Note again, before I listen to the session, I will write how I view it all... what I think I got out of it, etc.

Being as honest as I can, I must admit that if I am dealing with one or more entities, I am not at all ready to evict a single one of them. I will also point out that I respect several posters here in this amazing forum and thus I am constantly torn between the advice I give to myself and the advice I get from so many of you super cool folks.

In this specific case, only NancyV seemed to suggest the same thing I was suggesting to myself. That I perhaps consider retaining the entity (or entities). This goes against the direct advice of Houman who said specifically "If I were you, I would get rid of it."

I am not ruling out that perhaps I will ultimately decide to get rid of it.

To be clear, the way I am leaning now is that I want to get rid of any and all entities other than "sofie." That's the way I am leaning at the moment.

I now must go see a movie... not sure why but something inside me suggests I go see this goofy looking movie called Prometheus. Note: I watch almost no TV sometimes zero for weeks (other than a sporting event I may put on and semi-watch and I sometimes watch FOX news because I love most of the actors on that entertainment program and love to see one angle of the MSM... sorta like watching televangelists for comedic relief). I do watch movies. I think I read between the lines. Most movies are pure BS (unlike some of Stanley Kubrick's works for example) and this one will likely be BS... still... I must follow the inner voice(s). be back later

justone

[Anchor]

Being as honest as I can, I must admit that if I am dealing with one or more entities, I am not at all ready to evict a single one of them. I will also point out that I respect several posters here in this amazing forum and thus I am constantly torn between the advice i give to myself and the advice I get from so many of you super cool folks.

I'd say the advice you give yourself trumps all others.

[Anchor]

As the old master mentioned, the "enemy camp's" use of hypnosis furthers Man's destruction with their abductions and post-hypnotic implanted commands and behaviours....

We are not supposed to use harsh chemical drugs on the body either, but they do have their time and their place.

Humanity has available an extraordinary array of tools.

What we do with those tools sometimes beggars belief :)

[9eagle9]

Quit worrying about the damned golf game between Jesus, Lucifer and Satan do this for yourself! The can find their own T off time without your help.

Understanding this will not 'help' you persay in finding out and/or abating any possible influence it has on you and could indeed be prove to be a distraction.

(slaps hands)




Fascinating.

First, thanks for posting this thread.

This may not help you very much, its all I have that is relevant.

From what I have read of your report, it is not a walk-in event. Neither in the BS new-age sense nor the real one.

If it was a walk-in, you would probably be called sofie by now.

Walk-in events are usually traumatic and involve the temporary bodily death. You'll often either read about associated coma, which is handy because otherwise the medical profession would have to say well um, yes he got hit by a cement mixer, was bought in DOA but then came back to life and woke up, terrible injuries but made a spectacular recovery... funny that everyone who knew him says the accident has "changed him".

Exit one soul, enter another. Consequently it is a big deal, and you had better hope that in such events, it is done by agreement :) There are walk-ins on this forum. They may pipe up and say something about it for you.

justoneman I'll say this for you... you have some serious balls. It is my impression that you have all the balls you need to see this one right to the end.

All power to you.

Anchor..

Thanks for this particular post and for this reason...

The being that called itself "sofie" said she was a walk in but that what normally happens with a walk in is that the host being leaves the body that the walk in takes over. What "sofie" said was that I would not leave and thus we became a twin souled being. I know this sounds nuts but this is what in fact came out.

Now here's my next promise -

I just received the recording last night. I am going to do the following:

Before I listen to the recording, I am going to write up my current view of the session. In the write up I will point out one very interesting thing that came out of the session that I have not brought up yet (because I wanted to review it thoroughly before putting it out there).

I also want to resolve my dilemma regarding the three metaphorical supernatural beings Jesus, Lucifer and satan so that I can anchor in a new view and move on from my questions there so that I am freer to explore other ideas and concepts.

Once I have done this - which will take me about 24 hours... I will post these two "pieces" - the one as to how I view the session's results to be posted in this thread and my Jesus, Lucifer, satan dilemma resolution to be posted in Vivek's thread entitled A New World Order: Exposing the Luciferian Agenda found under the Conspiracy category.

Once there's been sufficient dialogue about my session interpretations... perhaps a day or so, I will then listen to my session recordings and write up a new interpretation. I will also post the link to these session recordings such that anyone who may want can download the complete recording of my session. Mark recorded approxiamtely 4 hours of the session - he recorded all of it but the very unimportant beginnings. (Note: this means we spent almost 4 hours in pre-session discussion... I had earlier guessed we had only spent a few hours in pre-session discussion).

Note again, before I listen to the session, I will write how I view it all... what I think I got out of it, etc.

Being as honest as I can, I must admit that if I am dealing with one or more entities, I am not at all ready to evict a single one of them. I will also point out that I respect several posters here in this amazing forum and thus I am constantly torn between the advice I give to myself and the advice I get from so many of you super cool folks.

In this specific case, only NancyV seemed to suggest the same thing I was suggesting to myself. That I perhaps consider retaining the entity (or entities). This goes against the direct advice of Houman who said specifically "If I were you, I would get rid of it."

I am not ruling out that perhaps I will ultimately decide to get rid of it.

To be clear, the way I am leaning now is that I want to get rid of any and all entities other than "sofie." That's the way I am leaning at the moment.

I now must go see a movie... not sure why but something inside me suggests I go see this goofy looking movie called Prometheus. Note: I watch almost no TV sometimes zero for weeks (other than a sporting event I may put on and semi-watch and I sometimes watch FOX news because I love most of the actors on that entertainment program and love to see one angle of the MSM... sorta like watching televangelists for comedic relief). I do watch movies. I think I read between the lines. Most movies are pure BS (unlike some of Stanley Kubrick's works for example) and this one will likely be BS... still... I must follow the inner voice(s). be back later

justone

[kreagle]

justoneman,

I just recently posted a comment along "these same identical lines" which was in reference to a previous Avalon member.

I will simply give the link to this post,......do with it as you like. I am somewhat concerned that my words of advice will fall on deaf ears, in that, I feel that I am viewed as the "opposition" to you. I can assure you that I am not, and that I am deeply concerned for the position you have placed yourself in.

As you have already ventured into this quest,....you have already revealed reservations about these "sessions". In post #5, by you, you state that,....." I have had some problems in the past, bringing things home with me after a session",....

In post #16, also by you,....you state that,...."I will be direct. - I am now pretty much uncomfortable with "hypnosis.,"......

(note: It sure would have been much wiser for you to have felt "uncomfortable" about this session with "hypnosis" prior to it being admitted to you,....rather than after!!)

(Here is the link for your consideration)

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46082-How-do-I-delete-my-account-permanently&p=503511#post503511

A friend and brother who cares,........kreagle

[watchZEITGEISTnow]

You were under for 6 hours??!! This is not good! Dolores Cannon says 2 hours under max or it can have a negative effect on the client...

You sure it was 6 hours under? I hope the regressionist used white light protection for you? I also wonder why he needed 6 hours to do this work?

3 sessions of 2 hours would be fine.

[eileenrose]

I did once see a hypnotherapist and I ended up taking control of the situation during the session while I was under hypnosis...not that hard. ... (he was new at it...though that is probably not why). So I suppose, in one way, you can be led to see inside yourself...but no one can make you stay/look/do anything against your will.
Or at least mine.

Never went back. He didn't look to happy about it either (that I only needed him for his energy/experience....and I did the rest). I guess they come out of school thinking they know a lot. Which isn't necessarily true. And I would never go back to someone like him now. As I go too far under already.

[Anchor]

Thanks for this particular post and for this reason...

I think I have more that I want to say, but it is not from a place of direct experience and thus it may just be informed speculation. So, really I am worried that it may well be irresponsible unless you agree to assume that I don't claim to know sh*t about it and just take it for what it is. Anyhow, I sense there is something bubbling up that wants to get written - but I will wait for you to post up all your stuff and then sometime after that, if still relevant and permitted, I will fire away.

[Chester]

Question to you, Justoneman, how would this entity proceeded to enter into you? I really mean technically, what did you live? Was it all unconscious or not and if not, how was it happening?

Hi, the possibilities are several but I lean to the experience I have shared in this post -
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44353-My-possible-abduction-experience

I will also point out that when I was about 9 years old I had an accident in a golf cart that was extremely strange. I was told not to drive the thing but one day I took it for a ride. I drove it up and down and all around a small fishing resort my grandfather had up at Lake Texoma (North Texas). After a good few hours I was coming down a hill and suddenly, with absolutely no explanation, I veered off the road to my left and rolled into a barbed wire fence. I recall seeing the fence and then, the next thing I knew, I was somehow on the other side of the fence, my face busted up and a few teeth missing, my sister who was with me bleeding from two gashes in her neck. We climbed through the fence and fortunately my Mom happened to drive by, she grabbed my sister in her arms (as she was bleeding pretty bad) and took us hurriedly to the nearest hospital. We were ok, but I know I had to have completely blacked out as there is zero recall of going through the fence nor how I was thrown from the golf cart.

And then this - one year latter (5th grade / 10 years old) I was attending a Catholic school called Cistercian Prep in Dallas (not relevant but fortunately for me I was asked not to return for 6th grade). The school had one of their religious holidays and so I found myself at home with nothing to do. I decided what the heck, I'll bike up to my old school (less than a mile away) and see if I could get into a game of kickball or football on the playground. I was lucky as some of my friends were playing football and they let me in the game. I had beeing playing for maybe 15 or so minutes when I found myself on defense. I was running real hard to my left after a kid who looked open but was gaining rapidly. The QB threw the ball to this kid anyways and I just knew I could probably intercept it and started running full out. The next thing I knew, I was on the ground, recovering from being knocked clear out. What had happened was that the school had put in huge light poles (probably the summer before) and I ran smack into one. I had played on that playground for three years, but there were never any of these polls. Anyways, I somehow rode my bike home where the maid we had freaked, called my Mom, Mom rushed home and called the doctor. I had the hugest bruise and a good gash one could ever imagine but I also have a pretty hard head (more than just physically some might say) and I recovered.

I mentioned these above two events because I was knocked completely out in both. I have been told that it is during these types of unconscious states that an entity (or perhaps many) could enter into someone and could possibly take them over.

So perhaps during one or more of the above three experiences, one or more of these entities entered into me.

I will say that I do not believe at all whatsoever that I have been replaced by one or more other entities. I believe I am the same primary being that was born on September 19, 1957. I suspect that one or more entities are co-habitating with me.

I do not draw any definitive conclusions and am still investigating the matter.

justoneman

[Chester]

Thanks for this particular post and for this reason...

I think I have more that I want to say, but it is not from a place of direct experience and thus it may just be informed speculation. So, really I am worried that it may well be irresponsible unless you agree to assume that I don't claim to know sh*t about it and just take it for what it is. Anyhow, I sense there is something bubbling up that wants to get written - but I will wait for you to post up all your stuff and then sometime after that, if still relevant and permitted, I will fire away.

Absolutely OK... as you can see, I am wide open to any possibility. Thank you for your interest, justone

¤=[Post Update]=¤


You were under for 6 hours??!! This is not good! Dolores Cannon says 2 hours under max or it can have a negative effect on the client...

You sure it was 6 hours under? I hope the regressionist used white light protection for you? I also wonder why he needed 6 hours to do this work?

3 sessions of 2 hours would be fine.

Hi, my original claim that I was under 6.25 hours turns out not to be true... it was an estimate. I have the recordings now and I was under about 4 hours and 15 minutes. Thanks, justoneman

[Chester]

Quit worrying about the damned golf game between Jesus, Lucifer and Satan do this for yourself! The can find their own T off time without your help.

Understanding this will not 'help' you persay in finding out and/or abating any possible influence it has on you and could indeed be prove to be a distraction.

(slaps hands)




Fascinating.

First, thanks for posting this thread.

This may not help you very much, its all I have that is relevant.

From what I have read of your report, it is not a walk-in event. Neither in the BS new-age sense nor the real one.

If it was a walk-in, you would probably be called sofie by now.

Walk-in events are usually traumatic and involve the temporary bodily death. You'll often either read about associated coma, which is handy because otherwise the medical profession would have to say well um, yes he got hit by a cement mixer, was bought in DOA but then came back to life and woke up, terrible injuries but made a spectacular recovery... funny that everyone who knew him says the accident has "changed him".

Exit one soul, enter another. Consequently it is a big deal, and you had better hope that in such events, it is done by agreement :) There are walk-ins on this forum. They may pipe up and say something about it for you.

justoneman I'll say this for you... you have some serious balls. It is my impression that you have all the balls you need to see this one right to the end.

All power to you.

Anchor..

Thanks for this particular post and for this reason...

The being that called itself "sofie" said she was a walk in but that what normally happens with a walk in is that the host being leaves the body that the walk in takes over. What "sofie" said was that I would not leave and thus we became a twin souled being. I know this sounds nuts but this is what in fact came out.

Now here's my next promise -

I just received the recording last night. I am going to do the following:

Before I listen to the recording, I am going to write up my current view of the session. In the write up I will point out one very interesting thing that came out of the session that I have not brought up yet (because I wanted to review it thoroughly before putting it out there).

I also want to resolve my dilemma regarding the three metaphorical supernatural beings Jesus, Lucifer and satan so that I can anchor in a new view and move on from my questions there so that I am freer to explore other ideas and concepts.

Once I have done this - which will take me about 24 hours... I will post these two "pieces" - the one as to how I view the session's results to be posted in this thread and my Jesus, Lucifer, satan dilemma resolution to be posted in Vivek's thread entitled A New World Order: Exposing the Luciferian Agenda found under the Conspiracy category.

Once there's been sufficient dialogue about my session interpretations... perhaps a day or so, I will then listen to my session recordings and write up a new interpretation. I will also post the link to these session recordings such that anyone who may want can download the complete recording of my session. Mark recorded approximately 4 hours of the session - he recorded all of it but the very unimportant beginnings. (Note: this means we spent almost 4 hours in pre-session discussion... I had earlier guessed we had only spent a few hours in pre-session discussion).

Note again, before I listen to the session, I will write how I view it all... what I think I got out of it, etc.

Being as honest as I can, I must admit that if I am dealing with one or more entities, I am not at all ready to evict a single one of them. I will also point out that I respect several posters here in this amazing forum and thus I am constantly torn between the advice I give to myself and the advice I get from so many of you super cool folks.

In this specific case, only NancyV seemed to suggest the same thing I was suggesting to myself. That I perhaps consider retaining the entity (or entities). This goes against the direct advice of Houman who said specifically "If I were you, I would get rid of it."

I am not ruling out that perhaps I will ultimately decide to get rid of it.

To be clear, the way I am leaning now is that I want to get rid of any and all entities other than "sofie." That's the way I am leaning at the moment.

I now must go see a movie... not sure why but something inside me suggests I go see this goofy looking movie called Prometheus. Note: I watch almost no TV sometimes zero for weeks (other than a sporting event I may put on and semi-watch and I sometimes watch FOX news because I love most of the actors on that entertainment program and love to see one angle of the MSM... sorta like watching televangelists for comedic relief). I do watch movies. I think I read between the lines. Most movies are pure BS (unlike some of Stanley Kubrick's works for example) and this one will likely be BS... still... I must follow the inner voice(s). be back later

justone

Hi 9eagle9 - the dilemma I thought I had resolved prior to reading Vivek's thread -

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46028-A-New-World-Order-Exposing-the-Luciferian-Agenda

...as to the metaphorical representations of Jesus, Lucifer and satan has been extremely significant for me for almost a dozen years.

As anyone who has read enough of my posts by now can conclude, I use this forum as a healing tool. I have never, ever experienced any tool for healing that comes anywhere close to what I have been experiencing since I began reading and posting here on the Project Avalon forum which began just after my latest psychotic episode and almost suicide.

Recall that on March 10th, I had to leave my wife in Colombia (thinking I may never be able to see her in the flesh again) and go to my ex-wife's father's home in Texas (the only place on earth I was able to go to) with two suitcases of all the possessions I had to my name and $300 and no job nor job prospects. I no longer was able to actually kill myself anymore but I went through a phase from approximately early February up until I discovered Houman's Horus-Ra thread on April 26th where I prayed to God most of the day that I would get cancer, or have a heart attack or somehow be killed some other way as soon as possible.

On that day, when I discovered Houman's thread and read the very first post, I found the last and final dot I needed and instantly everything changed.

I announced this new reality to my ex-wife's father and his wife who had been very worried about me. They would testify that indeed I made a complete and instant 180 degree change that day. Anyone who has followed my posts might be able to see that to be true as well.

I use this forum to explore the deepest questions I have within myself. Due to the awesome folks who are members and posters of this forum, I have been able to receive incredible feedback which has allowed me to make rapid progress in the reclamation of my soul project, the restoration of my sanity, the improvement in my demeanor as I interact with others and the overall rebuilding of a solid character I choose to be.

This is extremely healing for me to follow my process. Therefore that is why, when I have such pressing dilemmas such as this, I would think it would be wise that I am able to continue with the process that has helped me so far. And that is that when I have a personal POV change regarding something as important to me personally as to how I view the metaphorical beings of Jesus, Lucifer and satan, and I would like to state my new, reprocessed view view, I should be encouraged to do so, not told not to do so.

Considering how important the Lucifer/satanic situation is here on earth - especially as this relates to many of our planet's current rulers and the massive amounts of victims of human sacrifice and ritual abuse, I would think that I would be supported and encouraged to express my views regarding that key trilogy of "beings."

I would think a shift in view where I am now suspicious I may be the one who might be wrong... wrong in thinking that Lucifer is actually some good guy who has been defamed by an artificial being known by the name of satan. That I now consider that perhaps Lucifer is the actual primary being in the archontic structure might be quite a huge step in my process of healing. That I may have been wrong that Lucifer and satan were and are two different beings. That it may be true that satan is simply the dark arm of Lucifer and that the arm of "light" Lucifer perhaps had projected to me to be benevolent is simply another arm of this same primary being.

Anyways, I did actually state my new view (as I had promised I would in a prior post if my view did in fact change) as one can see in this post made just after I stated the importance of needing to do so.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46028-A-New-World-Order-Exposing-the-Luciferian-Agenda&p=504591&viewfull=1#post504591

Please, encourage my healing process - especially in that I am making good progress.


The point of all this work is not to heal wounds but to bring wholeness forward.

Healing for me is returning to wholeness - defragging if you will.

justoneman

[Chester]

Chester my first thoughts when you described your "walk in" was it is an archetype, not an outside being entering you but an archetypal character/personality, that one allows into your life when you are going through traumitic experiences. Usually childhood but also continues throughout lives experiences,

We allow many archetypes into our lives, They usually attach themselves to the Ego as a sort of safety valve after personal negative experiences. for example, Abuse, Disfunctional parents, Heart break, Abandonment, Regection Etc, They are the masks we wear throughout life, We all have them some more than others, some allow them to completely rule their lives manifesting anger, jealousy, insucurity. etc.

Archetypes can be set free by thanking them for being with you, Saying, now you do not serve my greatest good anymore, mission complete you can leave now. This would be a conscious expression, the subconscious takes a while to catch up on a conscious decision because of old habits and cycles etc, Shamans are experiences in this type of clearing. I was with one for 3yrs. I can recommend it.

Peace

Thank You, the closer I get to sorting all this out, the closer (perhaps) I am to asking the "entity" and/or archetype to leave. Note that I am of the opinion currently that I am dealing with more than one entity. Also, I have a sense I have been an abductee in a previous life and possibly this life and thus am dealing with multiple possibilities. Until I am comfortable I have identified all that I am dealing with, I am making no decision as to what course I will take.

If I had to decide today, I would like all entities other than this "sofie" entity to leave. I do not want to part with sofie as "it" has been a key part of my being for decades in this lifetime and I am comfortable with the relationship. I am of the opinion that all my troubles have come from an invasion of third party entities.

Again, I reserve the right to change my mind at any time.

justoneman

[Chester]

Hi Justone,

Thank you for sharing your experiences.

Your dream sounds like astral travel. Once upon a time I used to get very excited when i realized i was astral travelling. But then I learned that entities from the astral plane can attach to you without you having any clue other than you begin to experience a type of split personality, and usually it's so mild that you may not even notice.

If the being attached to you is an astral entity, then it should not be too difficult to deal with. I used to have several entities attached to me. They left me with the help of my ex scientologist friend I spoke about in Houman's thread.

When one of my colleagues died some years ago, he tried to force himself into me. I was very aware of that and it took a lot of convincing before he left me alone. He was gay and wanted to continue experiencing life's carnal pleasures through the body of a woman and since he admired me, he felt this was the thing to do.

If this is an astral entity, you just have to talk to whoever it is and tell him/her that you release them with love and that being with you doesn't help you nor them, etc., You will put it into your own words and usually, sooner or later, they understand. Usually their aim is not to destroy you, but to prolong their earthly experience.

If this entity is the product of alien manipulation, then it will be trickier. i cannot advice you here as I'm dealing with my own alien traumas.

Good luck peeling the layers.

Love and peace.

DOT, thank you for your input. One thing I gathered from Truman Cash's Eye of Ra is that, in a way, we are all aliens. Consider what that may be... a spirit being? A spirit being free (for a moment) of its soul component if that can be?

Consider this one... could a "soul" simply be the container created such that a spirit being finds itself within a reincarnative complex where they have lost their sense of free will?

I don't have any of these answers but I do have my leanings and I am beginning to lean to the possibility I was a free spirit being that allowed myself to get trapped in a reincarnative complex on planet earth.

I am unsure if I want to leave this complex for two reasons.

Reason 1: I love the physical human experience though I absolutely loath the current world situation.

Reason 2: I have loved ones I feel I benefit and thus I do not want to leave them - I am referring to my sons and my wife and her daughter primarily... but others whom I know and love... as well as anyone within humanity that has a good heart or desires for one.

So, I am pretty much no ready to leave this reincarnative experience at this time.

As for the dynamic where a spirit being can get caught and placed inside a physical being (as has been expressed by Truman Cash) and as seems you are referring to with your experience of your gay friend trying to enter you... I hate to say it, but all that feels like fun (as long as the individual spirit is able to retain their sovereignty).

justoneman

[Chester]

Thank You, NancyV for your two posts.

Currently, I lean to your recommendations (as they reflect the true way I have felt about all this prior to making this thread). I am even further comfortably anchored in my current view as to how to handle my little friend, sofie as well as what I might do regarding any other entities. justone

Note to Houman - regarding the entity or entities that have been behind my difficulties... I am in process of identifying and separating these critters such than when I am comfortable I have them all properly identified, I will evict each one. I may allow this sofie thing to remain if "it" desires. Perhaps it may want to leave if I kick out the suspected others.

[Chester]

Sad to say, but part of me hopes it's not the way you describe it. Otherwise I'd quickly interrupt the session and leave disappointed. I've always expected hypnosis to illicit a powerful involuntary response. If it's no different than relaxation it won't work on me. I don't "relax" short of passing out, and it's hard as hell for me to do that without some, ahem, medicinal aid these days.

-_-;;

Hi Vast... each of us are different. I have used massive amounts of drugs and alcohol at varying times throughout my life. These types of substances can create the hypnotic state such that entities can enter and begin to dominate their target. It is my view that this has been a significant part of the entire group of entities I have been dealing with. What I have found is that even without drugs I have learned how to enter into that state. If we consider the state television induces, perhaps we all have been under varying amounts of hypnosis throughout our lives.

The interesting thing to consider is that entities, once anchored within an individual, seem to have the ability to dominate that individual much easier when the individual is in the hypnotic state. Well, at least this seems true for me in my case. What I observed when I was in the session with Mark Johnson was that he, as well, appeared to be somewhat hypnotized at times. Considering this possibility, I hadto ask myself "who" is actually conducting the session?

That I could not know this led me to a sense of discomfort because the fact is that no matter how much the hypnotist tries not to lead the subject, there is questions, etc. Thus if a third party entity is actually speaking through the hypnotist, it seems possible that the subject may be double teamed by a.) the entity speaking through the hypnotist and the entity within the subject being accessed.

I hope what I just wrote was not too confusing.

But the point I am making is that even when I listen to the recording with full consciousness how do I know its Mark asking the questions (Mark being someone I know and trust)?

So for me now... I am pretty uncomfortable with hypnotism and will not be doing it again in this lifetime.

[ulli]

I've been following this thread with great interest and since you posted your birthday in public I took the liberty to have a peek at your birth chart.
From an astrologer's perspective everything you have written about now falls into place. In fact, it would have come as a surprise if your problems had been any different.

You have the sun and Mercury in Virgo, but also Mars in close conjunction to the sun. I won't give my interpretation of what that entails without your permission. But you could also look it up yourself, online.
Just google sun Mars conjunct in Virgo...and there will be lots of info that might give you a clearer understanding of the forces that you are subjected to.

[9eagle9]

i am attempting to encourage your healing process by reminding you not to get bogged down in theology. And while that may explain how your situation came to pass, it does not cure it. Lots of people can find out why they have cancer but understanding why they have cancer doesn't cure it.

The only thing that can cure it is initiating in a healing process not attempting to understand the disease or what is leveraging it. We end up focusing on the wounds and how they occurred and understanding the wound, instead simply healing the wound. I know that people should understand their own healing processes but you need to stick to healing because you are not a healer, and are going to second guess every healign experience that you have when the bottom line all of this crap is healed the same way.

A walk in situation is healed the same way a parasitical mind influence is healed, the same way possession is healed. Nothing varies in the manner in which these things are healed, what varies a lot is attempting to understand how it applies to you. If we go wandering off all these avenues of understanding without initiating in the excavation process it will turn into a distraction which could very well be the influence and distraction of a parasitical influence. A wound is a wound, how it got there could have happened in a variety of ways.

I have noted this in healers themselves that wanted to understand everything rather than heal it.

What I am saying is this understanding doesn't replace your healing process. People are very seldom ever able to de-fragment on their own or without guidance.



Quit worrying about the damned golf game between Jesus, Lucifer and Satan do this for yourself! The can find their own T off time without your help.

Understanding this will not 'help' you persay in finding out and/or abating any possible influence it has on you and could indeed be prove to be a distraction.

(slaps hands)




Fascinating.

First, thanks for posting this thread.

This may not help you very much, its all I have that is relevant.

From what I have read of your report, it is not a walk-in event. Neither in the BS new-age sense nor the real one.

If it was a walk-in, you would probably be called sofie by now.

Walk-in events are usually traumatic and involve the temporary bodily death. You'll often either read about associated coma, which is handy because otherwise the medical profession would have to say well um, yes he got hit by a cement mixer, was bought in DOA but then came back to life and woke up, terrible injuries but made a spectacular recovery... funny that everyone who knew him says the accident has "changed him".

Exit one soul, enter another. Consequently it is a big deal, and you had better hope that in such events, it is done by agreement :) There are walk-ins on this forum. They may pipe up and say something about it for you.

justoneman I'll say this for you... you have some serious balls. It is my impression that you have all the balls you need to see this one right to the end.

All power to you.

Anchor..

Thanks for this particular post and for this reason...

The being that called itself "sofie" said she was a walk in but that what normally happens with a walk in is that the host being leaves the body that the walk in takes over. What "sofie" said was that I would not leave and thus we became a twin souled being. I know this sounds nuts but this is what in fact came out.

Now here's my next promise -

I just received the recording last night. I am going to do the following:

Before I listen to the recording, I am going to write up my current view of the session. In the write up I will point out one very interesting thing that came out of the session that I have not brought up yet (because I wanted to review it thoroughly before putting it out there).

I also want to resolve my dilemma regarding the three metaphorical supernatural beings Jesus, Lucifer and satan so that I can anchor in a new view and move on from my questions there so that I am freer to explore other ideas and concepts.

Once I have done this - which will take me about 24 hours... I will post these two "pieces" - the one as to how I view the session's results to be posted in this thread and my Jesus, Lucifer, satan dilemma resolution to be posted in Vivek's thread entitled A New World Order: Exposing the Luciferian Agenda found under the Conspiracy category.

Once there's been sufficient dialogue about my session interpretations... perhaps a day or so, I will then listen to my session recordings and write up a new interpretation. I will also post the link to these session recordings such that anyone who may want can download the complete recording of my session. Mark recorded approximately 4 hours of the session - he recorded all of it but the very unimportant beginnings. (Note: this means we spent almost 4 hours in pre-session discussion... I had earlier guessed we had only spent a few hours in pre-session discussion).

Note again, before I listen to the session, I will write how I view it all... what I think I got out of it, etc.

Being as honest as I can, I must admit that if I am dealing with one or more entities, I am not at all ready to evict a single one of them. I will also point out that I respect several posters here in this amazing forum and thus I am constantly torn between the advice I give to myself and the advice I get from so many of you super cool folks.

In this specific case, only NancyV seemed to suggest the same thing I was suggesting to myself. That I perhaps consider retaining the entity (or entities). This goes against the direct advice of Houman who said specifically "If I were you, I would get rid of it."

I am not ruling out that perhaps I will ultimately decide to get rid of it.

To be clear, the way I am leaning now is that I want to get rid of any and all entities other than "sofie." That's the way I am leaning at the moment.

I now must go see a movie... not sure why but something inside me suggests I go see this goofy looking movie called Prometheus. Note: I watch almost no TV sometimes zero for weeks (other than a sporting event I may put on and semi-watch and I sometimes watch FOX news because I love most of the actors on that entertainment program and love to see one angle of the MSM... sorta like watching televangelists for comedic relief). I do watch movies. I think I read between the lines. Most movies are pure BS (unlike some of Stanley Kubrick's works for example) and this one will likely be BS... still... I must follow the inner voice(s). be back later

justone

Hi 9eagle9 - the dilemma I thought I had resolved prior to reading Vivek's thread -

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46028-A-New-World-Order-Exposing-the-Luciferian-Agenda

...as to the metaphorical representations of Jesus, Lucifer and satan has been extremely significant for me for almost a dozen years.

As anyone who has read enough of my posts by now can conclude, I use this forum as a healing tool. I have never, ever experienced any tool for healing that comes anywhere close to what I have been experiencing since I began reading and posting here on the Project Avalon forum which began just after my latest psychotic episode and almost suicide.

Recall that on March 10th, I had to leave my wife in Colombia (thinking I may never be able to see her in the flesh again) and go to my ex-wife's father's home in Texas (the only place on earth I was able to go to) with two suitcases of all the possessions I had to my name and $300 and no job nor job prospects. I no longer was able to actually kill myself anymore but I went through a phase from approximately early February up until I discovered Houman's Horus-Ra thread on April 26th where I prayed to God most of the day that I would get cancer, or have a heart attack or somehow be killed some other way as soon as possible.

On that day, when I discovered Houman's thread and read the very first post, I found the last and final dot I needed and instantly everything changed.

I announced this new reality to my ex-wife's father and his wife who had been very worried about me. They would testify that indeed I made a complete and instant 180 degree change that day. Anyone who has followed my posts might be able to see that to be true as well.

I use this forum to explore the deepest questions I have within myself. Due to the awesome folks who are members and posters of this forum, I have been able to receive incredible feedback which has allowed me to make rapid progress in the reclamation of my soul project, the restoration of my sanity, the improvement in my demeanor as I interact with others and the overall rebuilding of a solid character I choose to be.

This is extremely healing for me to follow my process. Therefore that is why, when I have such pressing dilemmas such as this, I would think it would be wise that I am able to continue with the process that has helped me so far. And that is that when I have a personal POV change regarding something as important to me personally as to how I view the metaphorical beings of Jesus, Lucifer and satan, and I would like to state my new, reprocessed view view, I should be encouraged to do so, not told not to do so.

Considering how important the Lucifer/satanic situation is here on earth - especially as this relates to many of our planet's current rulers and the massive amounts of victims of human sacrifice and ritual abuse, I would think that I would be supported and encouraged to express my views regarding that key trilogy of "beings."

I would think a shift in view where I am now suspicious I may be the one who might be wrong... wrong in thinking that Lucifer is actually some good guy who has been defamed by an artificial being known by the name of satan. That I now consider that perhaps Lucifer is the actual primary being in the archontic structure might be quite a huge step in my process of healing. That I may have been wrong that Lucifer and satan were and are two different beings. That it may be true that satan is simply the dark arm of Lucifer and that the arm of "light" Lucifer perhaps had projected to me to be benevolent is simply another arm of this same primary being.

Anyways, I did actually state my new view (as I had promised I would in a prior post if my view did in fact change) as one can see in this post made just after I stated the importance of needing to do so.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46028-A-New-World-Order-Exposing-the-Luciferian-Agenda&p=504591&viewfull=1#post504591

Please, encourage my healing process - especially in that I am making good progress.


The point of all this work is not to heal wounds but to bring wholeness forward.

Healing for me is returning to wholeness - defragging if you will.

justoneman

[Daughter of Time]

Hey Justone,

I don't know if it's possible to retain one's sovereignty if an entity lives with you on a regular basis, or even on a casual basis for that matter.

I will tell you of an experience I had. I was involved with someone who was very pleasing to me as a lover. One night, the love making changed. He changed and the thoughts going through my mind had also greatly changed. This was not a bad experience but it was confusing. Hours later, as I lay awake in bed, an old boyfriend I'd had back in my early 20's who'd died in a motorcycle accident, came to me. He whispered "I made love to you tonight". So he had changed the way my lover behaved and the thoughts that went through my mind and so my entire experience had changed. It wasn't bad, but it wasn't what i wanted. So his temporary entrance into my lover's body had changed both him and I. I told him he was not allowed to do that anymore. And he never did it again.

So if one temporary entrance had changed both of us, would i want my gay colleague to live in me? Absolutely not! And this is not because I am homophobic because I'm not. I believe we are all entitled to our sexual expressions provided that they are ours and not someone else's, and of course, that they not harm anyone. But knowing the way that experience affected me and my lover at the time, I know I would not want an entity to live with me unless that entity could change me for the better. And I feel that chances of an entity changing one for the better are rather slim because only a being of higher consciousness could change one for the better, if they are beings of higher consciousness then they would guide us, not possess us.

[Chester]

I've been following this thread with great interest and since you posted your birthday in public I took the liberty to have a peek at your birth chart.
From an astrologer's perspective everything you have written about now falls into place. In fact, it would have come as a surprise if your problems had been any different.

You have the sun and Mercury in Virgo, but also Mars in close conjunction to the sun. I won't give my interpretation of what that entails without your permission. But you could also look it up yourself, online.
Just google sun Mars conjunct in Virgo...and there will be lots of info that might give you a clearer understanding of the forces that you are subjected to.

Hi ulli,

I invite you to offer anything and everything. If it makes a difference, I was born in Dallas, Texas and the time was according to my mother, 6:06 AM but she is not completely certain of this.

Anyways, don't hold back. justoneman

[Chester]

Hey Justone,

I don't know if it's possible to retain one's sovereignty if an entity lives with you on a regular basis, or even on a casual basis for that matter.

I will tell you of an experience I had. I was involved with someone who was very pleasing to me as a lover. One night, the love making changed. He changed and the thoughts going through my mind had also greatly changed. This was not a bad experience but it was confusing. Hours later, as I lay awake in bed, an old boyfriend I'd had back in my early 20's who'd died in a motorcycle accident, came to me. He whispered "I made love to you tonight". So he had changed the way my lover behaved and the thoughts that went through my mind and so my entire experience had changed. It wasn't bad, but it wasn't what i wanted. So his temporary entrance into my lover's body had changed both him and I. I told him he was not allowed to do that anymore. And he never did it again.

So if one temporary entrance had changed both of us, would i want my gay colleague to live in me? Absolutely not! And this is not because I am homophobic because I'm not. I believe we are all entitled to our sexual expressions provided that they are ours and not someone else's, and of course, that they not harm anyone. But knowing the way that experience affected me and my lover at the time, I know I would not want an entity to live with me unless that entity could change me for the better. And I feel that chances of an entity changing one for the better are rather slim because only a being of higher consciousness could change one for the better, if they are beings of higher consciousness then they would guide us, not possess us.

Hi Daughter of Time,

Considering my experience with what I am fairly certain has been with one or more spirit beings as well as multiple levels of manifestation of the archontic structure, I have had nowhere near the conscious experiences you appear to have had based on the various experiences you have shared. So I am don't feel all that qualified to attempt to make any offerings to you and that includes responses. I feel like a junior high football star in the company of a real NFL player (to use the football analogy). What I am trying to say is that I have derived a great deal of strength from having lived through my recent battles with the beyond and then my recovery process via this forum and specifically the work of Truman Cash, The Eye of Ra.

Anyways, here's my response to your post.

I am very certain that one specific entity (and perhaps more) have been with me since childhood. Based on my discovery of Houman's Horus-Ra thread on April 26th and then the study of that material, my own reflections upon the material, several interactions via this forum (both publicly and through PMs), the relationships I believe have developed through this forum and my studies of recommended materials I have immense confidence that as long as I retain my clarity (as best as can be done) and hold on to my own simple truth, that I (and us all) are simply spirit beings, perfect, immortal and eternal, then I have absolutely zero to fear regarding anything and I mean anything I wish to explore.

Having said that, I now operate with one simple rule. Be discerning as to what I may expose others to in that they may not want to explore along with me.

This is now not directed at you, Daughter of Time, but to anyone who reads this post.

Has anyone read David Icke's story? Not so much his current material, though David always refers back to his past... but his story, how he came to be who he is today. I cannot be certain that others will agree with me, but it is absolutely clear to me that David Icke has dealt with contained intelligence sources that he and these sources have interacted directly with each other. I don't see David having any problems he hasn't been able to deal with so far. I also don't see David as the only human being that can do so.

So I hope you see that I have just about zero "fear" now. And the biggest strength I have is that I don't fear making a fool of myself and I don't fear being wrong.

As of now, I am not desiring any changes with any relationships I have with any entities and that includes anything related to the archontic structure. I say this because I have drawn a line there. I took back my responsibility for my soul. I even trust that in my sleep my soul is solid and safe.

I am not sure if you have read The Eye of Ra yet and been able to catch Truman's posts here on Avalon, and I cannot assume I am correct in what I am about to say regarding Truman but here is my perception.

Truman has little to no fear and I lean closer to the absolute no fear between the two. He has all but completely gained (or regained) his personal sovereignty. Note that Truman does not view the soul component as a different thing from his spirit. That is quite interesting and I perceive that he has transcended his "soul" component. What could I possibly mean by that? Have you ever seen the illustrations in David Icke's books where it shows the human being inside what looks like an egg? Imagine that the egg is simply the container of all our fears. And that when we pass from one type of experiential realm to the next, as long as we are still with the egg, we carry our fears through to the next experience.

Imagine that if the egg shell becomes hard enough, we might become entrapped within a "return complex" such as is considered by some to be the case here on earth through what is known as the reincarnative mechanism (a complicated mechanism at that - as it probably involves life forms (forms in various states of "real" to "artificial") with which we have become entangled and which play an apparent separate role in our entrapment).

So for me, the solution for this entrapment is quite simple to understand and yet quite hard to accomplish. And most folks already know this (or at least know they have been told this) but I will throw it out there again - and that is freedom from fear.

That's it... so I will make a statement to sum it all up.

To the degree a spirit being is free from fear is indirectly proportional to their experiential entrapment(s) as they migrate through their experiences.

Because each and every day I am more solid and secure in the knowledge that I am a perfect child of "God", immortal and eternal... I experience my fear melting away.

I read a quote from Truman posted by Anthony Bacala - something to the effect that the secret is in not allowing any other entity to be "an authority" to yourself. That's it. I don't care who/what it is anymore I might be dealing with. My only reticence is that I weigh carefully what I might expose others to having to face via what I bring into their sphere of reality perception.

In this regard I see myself as no different that the absolute worst psychopath as far as what I am willing to experience myself. I see myself as entirely different than the general psychopath in that I weigh carefully what I might expose another to as they may not want to become so free.

That is why this forum is so excellent. First of all, no one has to read my posts and second of all, no one has to agree. In this way I can post my views freely and at the same time feel comfortable that I am not infecting the rest of the universe without the rest of the universes permission.

justone

[ulli]

I've been following this thread with great interest and since you posted your birthday in public I took the liberty to have a peek at your birth chart.
From an astrologer's perspective everything you have written about now falls into place. In fact, it would have come as a surprise if your problems had been any different.

You have the sun and Mercury in Virgo, but also Mars in close conjunction to the sun. I won't give my interpretation of what that entails without your permission. But you could also look it up yourself, online.
Just google sun Mars conjunct in Virgo...and there will be lots of info that might give you a clearer understanding of the forces that you are subjected to.

Hi ulli,

I invite you to offer anything and everything. If it makes a difference, I was born in Dallas, Texas and the time was according to my mother, 6:06 AM but she is not completely certain of this.

Anyways, don't hold back. justoneman


Ok, if I can remember all those thoughts I had about it yesterday...
The sign of Virgo is about taking stuff apart and analyzing every little detail, in a meticulous way, to see how it functions.
Having Mars there next to the sun can give the physical energy and turn you into a workaholic. Which I'm sure you were, before it all went wrong for you. But it was also Mars that caused the decline in the first place.
Mars is about action, the starter button, the initiator, the pioneer who risks everything to get new experiences.
While Virgos normally want to have a secure routine, that Mars factor says "to hell with security, I'm bored now, bye, everyone" and off he goes, wherever it may lead. Once alcohol and drugs are added to the mix the journey will lead to other dimensions, non physical.
These two opposite energies can tear a soul apart, and as soon as a split occurs the remaining fragments come under the control of the mind.
In other words, the mind is now no longer a tool of the higher self, but has taken over all control. Being Virgo, which is the sign ruled by Mercury, and Mercury is the planet which rules rules the mind, we now have two opposite camps:
On the one hand a fiery yet unreasonable soldier (Mars) and on the other hand a meticulous planner and analyst (Mercury)
The moment these two can become integrated the fragmentation stops and inner unity returns, and the demons disappear.
They were never real in the first place. They served as entertainment to the bored Mars aspect of the personality...and also gave Mercury plenty to think about and analyze.
Meanwhile the true self, represented by the sun, the eternal inner light, is patiently waiting for the moment of reconciliation.
Once the sun is given back the reigns the soul journey can comtinue, and also make full use (yes, Virgoes use everything, every single atom comes in handy) full use of the experiences gained during the fragmentation period.
The lesson learnt then becomes the new path, which is the healer, with added courage, supplied by Mars, to go out and heal the sick and even drive out demons.
Welcome to the club.
:tea:


P.S. I wrote this post before I read your post above...
I see you are on your way already. Great stuff.

[Chester]

Hi 9eagle9,

I know your heart is of the best intentions. I know we have shared some in PMs and you know my respect for your views. I really do appreciate the various points you are making but I want you to understand that it's not about me anymore.

It's about how can I be helpful for others, specifically those directly in my life, my three sons, the folks I live with, my close friends, the folks I run into out there in the world and anyone who may be influenced by whatever I put out whether it be through a forum like this, through anything I might write or publish (which I have never done but which is an aspiration), etc.

Now don't get me wrong that I think I am superman as I experience vulnerabilities daily, I just deal with them as they come.

I don't have cancer and I am not suffering any other form of illness (anymore) that the cancer metaphor can apply.

Something interesting you said was that I am not a "healer." It is my view that a healthy person, by their very nature, is healing for many others. I have had several experiences in the last 6 or so weeks where I have played a role in another person's healing process. I don't have an official "practice." I have just been myself. Could this be a clue I might be fairly healed already? What would the state of "healed" appear to be to others?

more thoughts...

Each of us have our own inner questioning dialogue unless we think we have graduated and know all. I know myself well enough to know that my answers only come from within. I use the outside world as part of a three way dynamic between the understanding of who/what I am (part a), that which I pull from the connection within (part b) and that with which I experience (part c). Within the experience component is the views of others, but nothing in the outer or inner realms are my authority (Thanks again, Truman).

Your perception that the current dilemma I have engaged regarding the metaphorical, representational interplay between the Jesus figure, Lucifer and satan cannot (in my view) be reduced to simply and only theology as all three of these representations are clearly bigger than that. But again, that is from my view and I am not here to convince you that it should be your view. I try to stay away from making statements in the form of absolute fact as that is a "box in."

I will point out that it is the perception of many that there is a satanic component that has quite a bit of influence as to our collective experience here on earth at this time (not restricted to a theological debate). The overwhelming majority of folks I have encountered are of the opinion this satanic influence is hand in hand with Luciferianism as well as the Lucifer entity itself (if there is one).

Many here either believe a "Lucifer" exists or they have the belief that a collective of spirit beings (like us) can create an entity which at some point is able to become its own being though it may perhaps lack one or more components of a created spirit being (created by and through "source") - a golem type being for example or an artificial intelligence that can only replicate for example. The only third possibility is that Lucifer is simply a creation of our imaginations and does not exist at all whatsoever.

The same can be said of the being known as satan and in all honesty, the same can be said about the being many of us have come to know as Jesus.

To suggest that these three representations of "something" are relegated solely to the realm of theology (to me) demonstrates a lack of perception.

That I had come to the all but definitive conclusion that the Lucifer I thought I knew had nothing to do with satan is now a conclusion I happen to question should be seen as a monumental shift in one's perception. If healing is to be judged by one's thoughts, actions and deeds and it is understood that ones thoughts, actions and deeds are generated in large part by one's reactions to their specific, personal, time and space based point of view, then I would hope that I would be encouraged to explore these important points of view and not on the one hand, told is the "correct" point of view or on the other hand told the exploration itself is insignificant and that one should focus something else.

This is why I appreciated Vivek's response to my post defending Lucifer. That I was unable to create a reaction in him planted a seed of doubt in my all but 100% solid view that Lucifer has zero to do with satan.

When we consider how perhaps the key issue on planet earth at this time emanates from satanism and satanic practice and specifically satanic ritual abuse, generational satanism, pedophilia, sex trafficking abuse, satanic mind control abuse, snuff films, non-visionary plant drug trafficking and ultimately animal and human sacrifice, it seems it might be important to understand if the being known as Lucifer has anything to do with it.

That my position has changed such that I no longer am firm in my belief that the being I know to be Lucifer has nothing to do with any of that to my new position that Lucifer might actually play a proactive roll in the above listed activities seems a bit larger than simple theology.

Why this is so critical is that this new view now places all the "white lodge" esoteric knowledge that I have gained into the arena of being "info/disinfo."

Why that is so important is because just about every facet of every day life has interaction with the symbols that come from these sources. Just about all the media is interlaced with overt as well as subliminal representations of the vast symbology associated with the supposed "white" teachings / mysteries.

I cannot undo what associations I have come to know throughout my life that I cannot avoid experiencing over and over without resorting to complete and utter isolation and because of which I have chosen to see these associations from a "white lodge" POV.

Thus to consider if these associations are part of a wider plan that originates from a "source" or being as part of a long term plan that has a specific goal to achieve a result that places this this being as ruler over all the known realms as opposed to realms being the creation of a source with no agenda seems to be slightly important at the individual level and slightly relevant to our current shared reality.

Now I have attempted to make my point several times and several ways and from several angles and thus I am asking your support in my exploration as opposed to perhaps heart generated attempts to steer me off what is probably the very most important question to have for just this one poster.

[Daughter of Time]

Hi Justone,

Thank you for sharing your thoughts, beliefs, issues, challenges, and of course, I do support your explorations.

It is never my intent to steer you nor anyone off their course for we all have our journeys which are very unique to us. In the end, we all want the same thing: to free ourselves from damaging influences, to find who we truly are, to be the best we can be and to help others to become the best they can be. When I share my experiences, all I mean to do is share my experiences and what they mean to me and I do realize that how I feel may not apply to how others feel.

You are a very intelligent being and your courage is admirable.

May the peeling of the layers accelerate for you and I look forward to reading more about your findings, confusions, conclusions and all you might want to share.

As always, love!

[Chester]

I've been following this thread with great interest and since you posted your birthday in public I took the liberty to have a peek at your birth chart.
From an astrologer's perspective everything you have written about now falls into place. In fact, it would have come as a surprise if your problems had been any different.

You have the sun and Mercury in Virgo, but also Mars in close conjunction to the sun. I won't give my interpretation of what that entails without your permission. But you could also look it up yourself, online.
Just google sun Mars conjunct in Virgo...and there will be lots of info that might give you a clearer understanding of the forces that you are subjected to.

Hi ulli,

I invite you to offer anything and everything. If it makes a difference, I was born in Dallas, Texas and the time was according to my mother, 6:06 AM but she is not completely certain of this.

Anyways, don't hold back. justoneman


Ok, if I can remember all those thoughts I had about it yesterday...
The sign of Virgo is about taking stuff apart and analyzing every little detail, in a meticulous way, to see how it functions.
Having Mars there next to the sun can give the physical energy and turn you into a workaholic. Which I'm sure you were, before it all went wrong for you. But it was also Mars that caused the decline in the first place.
Mars is about action, the starter button, the initiator, the pioneer who risks everything to get new experiences.
While Virgos normally want to have a secure routine, that Mars factor says "to hell with security, I'm bored now, bye, everyone" and off he goes, wherever it may lead. Once alcohol and drugs are added to the mix the journey will lead to other dimensions, non physical.
These two opposite energies can tear a soul apart, and as soon as a split occurs the remaining fragments come under the control of the mind.
In other words, the mind is now no longer a tool of the higher self, but has taken over all control. Being Virgo, which is the sign ruled by Mercury, and Mercury is the planet which rules rules the mind, we now have two opposite camps:
On the one hand a fiery yet unreasonable soldier (Mars) and on the other hand a meticulous planner and analyst (Mercury)
The moment these two can become integrated the fragmentation stops and inner unity returns, and the demons disappear.
They were never real in the first place. They served as entertainment to the bored Mars aspect of the personality...and also gave Mercury plenty to think about and analyze.
Meanwhile the true self, represented by the sun, the eternal inner light, is patiently waiting for the moment of reconciliation.
Once the sun is given back the reigns the soul journey can comtinue, and also make full use (yes, Virgoes use everything, every single atom comes in handy) full use of the experiences gained during the fragmentation period.
The lesson learnt then becomes the new path, which is the healer, with added courage, supplied by Mars, to go out and heal the sick and even drive out demons.
Welcome to the club.
:tea:


P.S. I wrote this post before I read your post above...
I see you are on your way already. Great stuff.


wowwoowowow and now back to ulli... I just wrote the above post and had not read yours just above the last one. Perhaps I need to get out of the "trying to convince others" club and unite the last few fragments, but then again... would removing all fragments eliminate the fun?

on another note - I love synchronicity... just got this mail from Mark Johnson

"Hey Chester,

Theres a meet up tonight with Jim Mars on Ancient Aliens... 7pm.... Go to meetup.com and find dallas visionaries... Think it is at spring creek bbq on midway just south of beltline....

Hope you can make it, Jim is very interesting, his book on jfk was the basis of the movie jfk...

Later

Mark

Mark V Johnson Clinical Hypnotherapist"

Note "Mars" ahahahah this happens to me all day long too... no wonder I'm crazy

and I just realized I ate at a Spring Creek barbeque just last night and for the first time ever.

And my luck is so bad I have to work tonight!!! Darn It!

EDIT/Update: I just got covered for my work so I am going! this oughta be interesting.

[ulli]

I've been following this thread with great interest and since you posted your birthday in public I took the liberty to have a peek at your birth chart.
From an astrologer's perspective everything you have written about now falls into place. In fact, it would have come as a surprise if your problems had been any different.

You have the sun and Mercury in Virgo, but also Mars in close conjunction to the sun. I won't give my interpretation of what that entails without your permission. But you could also look it up yourself, online.
Just google sun Mars conjunct in Virgo...and there will be lots of info that might give you a clearer understanding of the forces that you are subjected to.

Hi ulli,

I invite you to offer anything and everything. If it makes a difference, I was born in Dallas, Texas and the time was according to my mother, 6:06 AM but she is not completely certain of this.

Anyways, don't hold back. justoneman


Ok, if I can remember all those thoughts I had about it yesterday...
The sign of Virgo is about taking stuff apart and analyzing every little detail, in a meticulous way, to see how it functions.
Having Mars there next to the sun can give the physical energy and turn you into a workaholic. Which I'm sure you were, before it all went wrong for you. But it was also Mars that caused the decline in the first place.
Mars is about action, the starter button, the initiator, the pioneer who risks everything to get new experiences.
While Virgos normally want to have a secure routine, that Mars factor says "to hell with security, I'm bored now, bye, everyone" and off he goes, wherever it may lead. Once alcohol and drugs are added to the mix the journey will lead to other dimensions, non physical.
These two opposite energies can tear a soul apart, and as soon as a split occurs the remaining fragments come under the control of the mind.
In other words, the mind is now no longer a tool of the higher self, but has taken over all control. Being Virgo, which is the sign ruled by Mercury, and Mercury is the planet which rules rules the mind, we now have two opposite camps:
On the one hand a fiery yet unreasonable soldier (Mars) and on the other hand a meticulous planner and analyst (Mercury)
The moment these two can become integrated the fragmentation stops and inner unity returns, and the demons disappear.
They were never real in the first place. They served as entertainment to the bored Mars aspect of the personality...and also gave Mercury plenty to think about and analyze.
Meanwhile the true self, represented by the sun, the eternal inner light, is patiently waiting for the moment of reconciliation.
Once the sun is given back the reigns the soul journey can comtinue, and also make full use (yes, Virgoes use everything, every single atom comes in handy) full use of the experiences gained during the fragmentation period.
The lesson learnt then becomes the new path, which is the healer, with added courage, supplied by Mars, to go out and heal the sick and even drive out demons.
Welcome to the club.
:tea:


P.S. I wrote this post before I read your post above...
I see you are on your way already. Great stuff.


wowwoowowow and now back to ulli... I just wrote the above post and had not read yours just above the last one. Perhaps I need to get out of the "trying to convince others" club and unite the last few fragments, but then again... would removing all fragments eliminate the fun?

on another note - I love synchronicity... just got this mail from Mark Johnson

"Hey Chester,

Theres a meet up tonight with Jim Mars on Ancient Aliens... 7pm.... Go to meetup.com and find dallas visionaries... Think it is at spring creek bbq on midway just south of beltline....

Hope you can make it, Jim is very interesting, his book on jfk was the basis of the movie jfk...

Later

Mark

Mark V Johnson Clinical Hypnotherapist"

Note "Mars" ahahahah this happens to me all day long too... no wonder I'm crazy

and I just realized I ate at a Spring Creek barbeque just last night and for the first time ever.

And my luck is so bad I have to work tonight!!! Darn It!

And work is part of the Virgo calling...but which type of work?
Can you reconcile your need for financial security and your need for stimulation and adventure?
Once you have figured out what type of occupation would provide all those things in a single combo
then the universe will in an instant open a door.

Or maybe two doors, so as not to take away the opportunity to choose between a high density future and a low density future.
Which means again, choose wisely, or else.....

[Chester]

Update - I am going to this seminar tonight... only 16 people so far attending which the less the merrier IMO.

I just wrote this back to Mark Johnson and thought I would share it...

Wow Mark... I will be there!

FYI - I read Psi Spies in 2002. I actually contacted Dr. Hal Puthoff at that time and received a lengthy e-mail reply from him. Just after that I read Ingo Swann's Penetration. Jim's book was about the Stanford Research Institute's "remote viewing" program.

Coincidently, I just recently I read the first part of Penetrations again (dealing with the presence of "intelligent life activity" on the moon).

Beginning a few years ago I began a relationship with a Dr. Elliot Benjamin in relation to the synchronicity phenomena. Through Elliot I was introduced to Dale E. Graff who wrote a few excellent books on the psi subject and just last January, the day before I had to leave Panama, I spoke with Dale Graff on the phone for about an hour. Dale Graff was the military supervisor to Project Stargate. This project was the name of these psi experiments conducted at SRI (Stanford Research Institute) featuring Ingo Swann as one of their most talented remote viewers.

The chance to hear and perhaps meet Jim Marrs cannot be passed up!

Thanks and Take Care

[Hervé]

Man... navigating a booby trapped mine field... well, at least there's an entertainment value...


Jim Marrs: Another Gatekeeper Shows His Colors

By Ken Adachi, Editor
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/jimmarrsgatekeeper31may10.shtml


May 31, 2010
Jim Marrs: Another Gatekeeper Shows His Colors (May 31, 2010) (http://educate-yourself.org/cn/jimmarrsgatekeeper31may10.shtml)




Update. Sep. 26, 2010:
When I posted the story below on May 31, 2010, I did not realize that Bill Cooper's video showing the digitized and computer enhanced Zapruder film provided to Bill by Japanese sources was once again available on the Internet. I only saw it once many years ago. When I searched for it a few years ago, I couldn't find it and I assumed that our government "vacuum and clean up" crews had permanently removed it, but I stumbled upon it a few days ago while looking for other videos concerning the JFK assassination. I've embedded the video below. This is the video to which I allude in contesting Jim Marrs' outrageous claims that Bill Cooper didn't know what he was talking about when he said that driver William Greer had shot Kennedy at point blank range using a special, custom-made assassin pistol built by the CIA. In this video, you will see the slow motion scenes of Greer turning towards Kennedy, place the gun on his right shoulder (holding it with his left hand) and causing Kennedy's brains to explode when he squeezed the trigger in Zapruder frame 313.


[...]
***********************************************


Full article here: http://educate-yourself.org/cn/jimmarrsgatekeeper31may10.shtml

[9eagle9]

I can't support you if you don't know what you want.

What is it you want?

What ultimately do you want to result from this?

If you are doing it for other people you are going to not only fail yourself, but them as well.



Hi 9eagle9,

I know your heart is of the best intentions. I know we have shared some in PMs and you know my respect for your views. I really do appreciate the various points you are making but I want you to understand that it's not about me anymore.

It's about how can I be helpful for others, specifically those directly in my life, my three sons, the folks I live with, my close friends, the folks I run into out there in the world and anyone who may be influenced by whatever I put out whether it be through a forum like this, through anything I might write or publish (which I have never done but which is an aspiration), etc.

Now don't get me wrong that I think I am superman as I experience vulnerabilities daily, I just deal with them as they come.

I don't have cancer and I am not suffering any other form of illness (anymore) that the cancer metaphor can apply.

Something interesting you said was that I am not a "healer." It is my view that a healthy person, by their very nature, is healing for many others. I have had several experiences in the last 6 or so weeks where I have played a role in another person's healing process. I don't have an official "practice." I have just been myself. Could this be a clue I might be fairly healed already? What would the state of "healed" appear to be to others?

more thoughts...

Each of us have our own inner questioning dialogue unless we think we have graduated and know all. I know myself well enough to know that my answers only come from within. I use the outside world as part of a three way dynamic between the understanding of who/what I am (part a), that which I pull from the connection within (part b) and that with which I experience (part c). Within the experience component is the views of others, but nothing in the outer or inner realms are my authority (Thanks again, Truman).

Your perception that the current dilemma I have engaged regarding the metaphorical, representational interplay between the Jesus figure, Lucifer and satan cannot (in my view) be reduced to simply and only theology as all three of these representations are clearly bigger than that. But again, that is from my view and I am not here to convince you that it should be your view. I try to stay away from making statements in the form of absolute fact as that is a "box in."

I will point out that it is the perception of many that there is a satanic component that has quite a bit of influence as to our collective experience here on earth at this time (not restricted to a theological debate). The overwhelming majority of folks I have encountered are of the opinion this satanic influence is hand in hand with Luciferianism as well as the Lucifer entity itself (if there is one).

Many here either believe a "Lucifer" exists or they have the belief that a collective of spirit beings (like us) can create an entity which at some point is able to become its own being though it may perhaps lack one or more components of a created spirit being (created by and through "source") - a golem type being for example or an artificial intelligence that can only replicate for example. The only third possibility is that Lucifer is simply a creation of our imaginations and does not exist at all whatsoever.

The same can be said of the being known as satan and in all honesty, the same can be said about the being many of us have come to know as Jesus.

To suggest that these three representations of "something" are relegated solely to the realm of theology (to me) demonstrates a lack of perception.

That I had come to the all but definitive conclusion that the Lucifer I thought I knew had nothing to do with satan is now a conclusion I happen to question should be seen as a monumental shift in one's perception. If healing is to be judged by one's thoughts, actions and deeds and it is understood that ones thoughts, actions and deeds are generated in large part by one's reactions to their specific, personal, time and space based point of view, then I would hope that I would be encouraged to explore these important points of view and not on the one hand, told is the "correct" point of view or on the other hand told the exploration itself is insignificant and that one should focus something else.

This is why I appreciated Vivek's response to my post defending Lucifer. That I was unable to create a reaction in him planted a seed of doubt in my all but 100% solid view that Lucifer has zero to do with satan.

When we consider how perhaps the key issue on planet earth at this time emanates from satanism and satanic practice and specifically satanic ritual abuse, generational satanism, pedophilia, sex trafficking abuse, satanic mind control abuse, snuff films, non-visionary plant drug trafficking and ultimately animal and human sacrifice, it seems it might be important to understand if the being known as Lucifer has anything to do with it.

That my position has changed such that I no longer am firm in my belief that the being I know to be Lucifer has nothing to do with any of that to my new position that Lucifer might actually play a proactive roll in the above listed activities seems a bit larger than simple theology.

Why this is so critical is that this new view now places all the "white lodge" esoteric knowledge that I have gained into the arena of being "info/disinfo."

Why that is so important is because just about every facet of every day life has interaction with the symbols that come from these sources. Just about all the media is interlaced with overt as well as subliminal representations of the vast symbology associated with the supposed "white" teachings / mysteries.

I cannot undo what associations I have come to know throughout my life that I cannot avoid experiencing over and over without resorting to complete and utter isolation and because of which I have chosen to see these associations from a "white lodge" POV.

Thus to consider if these associations are part of a wider plan that originates from a "source" or being as part of a long term plan that has a specific goal to achieve a result that places this this being as ruler over all the known realms as opposed to realms being the creation of a source with no agenda seems to be slightly important at the individual level and slightly relevant to our current shared reality.

Now I have attempted to make my point several times and several ways and from several angles and thus I am asking your support in my exploration as opposed to perhaps heart generated attempts to steer me off what is probably the very most important question to have for just this one poster.

[Tigressa]

Hello Justoneman. I posted on your other thread but I am not sure you vibe with it. As I work doing the kind of clearing that you seek I am so disappointed for you that you left the session feeling as you do!

As someone else commented the length of your session was not appropriate in my view. It does make me question the training and abilities of the therapist somewhat.
I was trained not to take people into a state where they are bilocating for more than 2 hours, it is incredibly draining for the client.

Anyway, I commend your efforts to clear these issues and I hope that you find a practitioner who can meet your needs both spiritually and practically.
Wishing you best of luck.

[Chester]

Hello Justoneman. I posted on your other thread but I am not sure you vibe with it. As I work doing the kind of clearing that you seek I am so disappointed for you that you left the session feeling as you do!

As someone else commented the length of your session was not appropriate in my view. It does make me question the training and abilities of the therapist somewhat.
I was trained not to take people into a state where they are bilocating for more than 2 hours, it is incredibly draining for the client.

Anyway, I commend your efforts to clear these issues and I hope that you find a practitioner who can meet your needs both spiritually and practically.
Wishing you best of luck.

Hi Tigressa - good news, I am now OK with my session experience. I just needed time to stabilize. Now that I had it and I have regained my stability, I do not regret the session at all anymore.

I am comfortable with my knowledge that I am a perfect spirit - a gift from creation and that I am immortal and eternal (and I see all spirits of creation as the same).

Because of my comfort with this fact, that I experimented as I did was of no real concern, though I can see how it might be considered "dangerous" for those less grounded in the truth of their being.

Apologies my view shifts but its how I began to feel about all this about three or so days ago, after meeting and speaking with Jim Marrs and after reading a really cool book.

I met with Mark at the Jim Marrs "show" - he is super cool, his father was a hypnotist, Mark's a natural. Puts me into "state" just thinking about him! haha of course I have no more problems with any buggers who try and sneak in when I am in state, but alas, we all sleep huh?

Take Care justoneman

¤=[Post Update]=¤


I can't support you if you don't know what you want.

What is it you want?

What ultimately do you want to result from this?

If you are doing it for other people you are going to not only fail yourself, but them as well.



Hi 9eagle9,

I know your heart is of the best intentions. I know we have shared some in PMs and you know my respect for your views. I really do appreciate the various points you are making but I want you to understand that it's not about me anymore.

It's about how can I be helpful for others, specifically those directly in my life, my three sons, the folks I live with, my close friends, the folks I run into out there in the world and anyone who may be influenced by whatever I put out whether it be through a forum like this, through anything I might write or publish (which I have never done but which is an aspiration), etc.

Now don't get me wrong that I think I am superman as I experience vulnerabilities daily, I just deal with them as they come.

I don't have cancer and I am not suffering any other form of illness (anymore) that the cancer metaphor can apply.

Something interesting you said was that I am not a "healer." It is my view that a healthy person, by their very nature, is healing for many others. I have had several experiences in the last 6 or so weeks where I have played a role in another person's healing process. I don't have an official "practice." I have just been myself. Could this be a clue I might be fairly healed already? What would the state of "healed" appear to be to others?

more thoughts...

Each of us have our own inner questioning dialogue unless we think we have graduated and know all. I know myself well enough to know that my answers only come from within. I use the outside world as part of a three way dynamic between the understanding of who/what I am (part a), that which I pull from the connection within (part b) and that with which I experience (part c). Within the experience component is the views of others, but nothing in the outer or inner realms are my authority (Thanks again, Truman).

Your perception that the current dilemma I have engaged regarding the metaphorical, representational interplay between the Jesus figure, Lucifer and satan cannot (in my view) be reduced to simply and only theology as all three of these representations are clearly bigger than that. But again, that is from my view and I am not here to convince you that it should be your view. I try to stay away from making statements in the form of absolute fact as that is a "box in."

I will point out that it is the perception of many that there is a satanic component that has quite a bit of influence as to our collective experience here on earth at this time (not restricted to a theological debate). The overwhelming majority of folks I have encountered are of the opinion this satanic influence is hand in hand with Luciferianism as well as the Lucifer entity itself (if there is one).

Many here either believe a "Lucifer" exists or they have the belief that a collective of spirit beings (like us) can create an entity which at some point is able to become its own being though it may perhaps lack one or more components of a created spirit being (created by and through "source") - a golem type being for example or an artificial intelligence that can only replicate for example. The only third possibility is that Lucifer is simply a creation of our imaginations and does not exist at all whatsoever.

The same can be said of the being known as satan and in all honesty, the same can be said about the being many of us have come to know as Jesus.

To suggest that these three representations of "something" are relegated solely to the realm of theology (to me) demonstrates a lack of perception.

That I had come to the all but definitive conclusion that the Lucifer I thought I knew had nothing to do with satan is now a conclusion I happen to question should be seen as a monumental shift in one's perception. If healing is to be judged by one's thoughts, actions and deeds and it is understood that ones thoughts, actions and deeds are generated in large part by one's reactions to their specific, personal, time and space based point of view, then I would hope that I would be encouraged to explore these important points of view and not on the one hand, told is the "correct" point of view or on the other hand told the exploration itself is insignificant and that one should focus something else.

This is why I appreciated Vivek's response to my post defending Lucifer. That I was unable to create a reaction in him planted a seed of doubt in my all but 100% solid view that Lucifer has zero to do with satan.

When we consider how perhaps the key issue on planet earth at this time emanates from satanism and satanic practice and specifically satanic ritual abuse, generational satanism, pedophilia, sex trafficking abuse, satanic mind control abuse, snuff films, non-visionary plant drug trafficking and ultimately animal and human sacrifice, it seems it might be important to understand if the being known as Lucifer has anything to do with it.

That my position has changed such that I no longer am firm in my belief that the being I know to be Lucifer has nothing to do with any of that to my new position that Lucifer might actually play a proactive roll in the above listed activities seems a bit larger than simple theology.

Why this is so critical is that this new view now places all the "white lodge" esoteric knowledge that I have gained into the arena of being "info/disinfo."

Why that is so important is because just about every facet of every day life has interaction with the symbols that come from these sources. Just about all the media is interlaced with overt as well as subliminal representations of the vast symbology associated with the supposed "white" teachings / mysteries.

I cannot undo what associations I have come to know throughout my life that I cannot avoid experiencing over and over without resorting to complete and utter isolation and because of which I have chosen to see these associations from a "white lodge" POV.

Thus to consider if these associations are part of a wider plan that originates from a "source" or being as part of a long term plan that has a specific goal to achieve a result that places this this being as ruler over all the known realms as opposed to realms being the creation of a source with no agenda seems to be slightly important at the individual level and slightly relevant to our current shared reality.

Now I have attempted to make my point several times and several ways and from several angles and thus I am asking your support in my exploration as opposed to perhaps heart generated attempts to steer me off what is probably the very most important question to have for just this one poster.

Hi 9eagle9, I wanted to say thanks to you for assisting me in many ways over the last several weeks. I resolved my issues now and am in process of setting up my new life. I have a few job offers too - seems some folks I know actually see a positive difference. Anyways, I am singling you out because of a great deal of personal attention and assistance you have provided and its the few like you who take stands and aren't afraid to say what you think that make the difference.

Your Friend justone

[Chester]

Man... navigating a booby trapped mine field... well, at least there's an entertainment value...


Jim Marrs: Another Gatekeeper Shows His Colors

By Ken Adachi, Editor
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/jimmarrsgatekeeper31may10.shtml


May 31, 2010
Jim Marrs: Another Gatekeeper Shows His Colors (May 31, 2010) (http://educate-yourself.org/cn/jimmarrsgatekeeper31may10.shtml)




Update. Sep. 26, 2010:
When I posted the story below on May 31, 2010, I did not realize that Bill Cooper's video showing the digitized and computer enhanced Zapruder film provided to Bill by Japanese sources was once again available on the Internet. I only saw it once many years ago. When I searched for it a few years ago, I couldn't find it and I assumed that our government "vacuum and clean up" crews had permanently removed it, but I stumbled upon it a few days ago while looking for other videos concerning the JFK assassination. I've embedded the video below. This is the video to which I allude in contesting Jim Marrs' outrageous claims that Bill Cooper didn't know what he was talking about when he said that driver William Greer had shot Kennedy at point blank range using a special, custom-made assassin pistol built by the CIA. In this video, you will see the slow motion scenes of Greer turning towards Kennedy, place the gun on his right shoulder (holding it with his left hand) and causing Kennedy's brains to explode when he squeezed the trigger in Zapruder frame 313.


[...]
***********************************************


Full article here: http://educate-yourself.org/cn/jimmarrsgatekeeper31may10.shtml


Hi Amzer Zo ... still trying to get an ex-scientologist to give me some auditing. So far they seem strangely afraid of me. Found one right here in Dallas and I have this weird feeling he thinks I am some "bad guy" trying to set him up or something... he seems paranoid. I offered to take him to lunch anywhere of his choice and he suddenly stopped replying. Maybe he thinks I am some Miscavige agent or something. Who knows.

Jim Marrs was super cool. His 1 hour lecture was uneventful and tailor made for the love and light crowd. Yet when I was able to speak with him privately I suggested there was more to the ETs than benevolent and that it was my view the PTBs were in cahoots with beings from within what I call the archontic structure... and that perhaps there were no benevolent ETs at all (that would intervene and/or be seen/heard (ala channeling and other such hoodoo)) and that the archontic structure appears led by an artificial "being" of sorts, etc. and he was quite happy with what he heard as what I described just so happens to be the subject matter of his soon to be released next book. Odd that.

As far as anyone's theory of "who killed JFK" is anyone that has a brain still believing the Warren Commission? And so having said that... the actual who is far less important (IMO) than the why(s). In addition, and being from Dallas and all, and knowing lotsa folks indirectly involved to some degree or another, it doesn't make any sense for me to try and turn over any unturned stones as some of the bad guys may still be alive and still may not want to be dragged into it... so I have to leave JFK alone (same for RFK too).

One comment on any of these guys and their theories in the vast industry known as conspirotainment. None of them will ever be right about everything... but that doesn't make them "complicit" in being a disinfo agent nor does it mean all their information is innacurate. Remember we are all influenced by all levels of being and all the spirit beings, incarnate and not, that play in our shared playland. I retired from the camp of judges where I cast everyone into either the Good or the Bad... I see us all as a mix of both, I found Jim Marrs to be a super cool dude who would be great to hang out with. A good hearted man whose word I would trust too by the way.

Does not mean he is right nor that his info is right. Doesn't mean he's "in on it." It actually occurred to me that Jim Marrs has transcended it all in some strange way. I never saw a human being more at peace and content with himself and life though... I did note that about him.

justone

[Chester]

I've been following this thread with great interest and since you posted your birthday in public I took the liberty to have a peek at your birth chart.
From an astrologer's perspective everything you have written about now falls into place. In fact, it would have come as a surprise if your problems had been any different.

You have the sun and Mercury in Virgo, but also Mars in close conjunction to the sun. I won't give my interpretation of what that entails without your permission. But you could also look it up yourself, online.
Just google sun Mars conjunct in Virgo...and there will be lots of info that might give you a clearer understanding of the forces that you are subjected to.

Hi ulli,

I invite you to offer anything and everything. If it makes a difference, I was born in Dallas, Texas and the time was according to my mother, 6:06 AM but she is not completely certain of this.

Anyways, don't hold back. justoneman


Ok, if I can remember all those thoughts I had about it yesterday...
The sign of Virgo is about taking stuff apart and analyzing every little detail, in a meticulous way, to see how it functions.
Having Mars there next to the sun can give the physical energy and turn you into a workaholic. Which I'm sure you were, before it all went wrong for you. But it was also Mars that caused the decline in the first place.
Mars is about action, the starter button, the initiator, the pioneer who risks everything to get new experiences.
While Virgos normally want to have a secure routine, that Mars factor says "to hell with security, I'm bored now, bye, everyone" and off he goes, wherever it may lead. Once alcohol and drugs are added to the mix the journey will lead to other dimensions, non physical.
These two opposite energies can tear a soul apart, and as soon as a split occurs the remaining fragments come under the control of the mind.
In other words, the mind is now no longer a tool of the higher self, but has taken over all control. Being Virgo, which is the sign ruled by Mercury, and Mercury is the planet which rules rules the mind, we now have two opposite camps:
On the one hand a fiery yet unreasonable soldier (Mars) and on the other hand a meticulous planner and analyst (Mercury)
The moment these two can become integrated the fragmentation stops and inner unity returns, and the demons disappear.
They were never real in the first place. They served as entertainment to the bored Mars aspect of the personality...and also gave Mercury plenty to think about and analyze.
Meanwhile the true self, represented by the sun, the eternal inner light, is patiently waiting for the moment of reconciliation.
Once the sun is given back the reigns the soul journey can comtinue, and also make full use (yes, Virgoes use everything, every single atom comes in handy) full use of the experiences gained during the fragmentation period.
The lesson learnt then becomes the new path, which is the healer, with added courage, supplied by Mars, to go out and heal the sick and even drive out demons.
Welcome to the club.
:tea:


P.S. I wrote this post before I read your post above...
I see you are on your way already. Great stuff.


wowwoowowow and now back to ulli... I just wrote the above post and had not read yours just above the last one. Perhaps I need to get out of the "trying to convince others" club and unite the last few fragments, but then again... would removing all fragments eliminate the fun?

on another note - I love synchronicity... just got this mail from Mark Johnson

"Hey Chester,

Theres a meet up tonight with Jim Mars on Ancient Aliens... 7pm.... Go to meetup.com and find dallas visionaries... Think it is at spring creek bbq on midway just south of beltline....

Hope you can make it, Jim is very interesting, his book on jfk was the basis of the movie jfk...

Later

Mark

Mark V Johnson Clinical Hypnotherapist"

Note "Mars" ahahahah this happens to me all day long too... no wonder I'm crazy

and I just realized I ate at a Spring Creek barbeque just last night and for the first time ever.

And my luck is so bad I have to work tonight!!! Darn It!

And work is part of the Virgo calling...but which type of work?
Can you reconcile your need for financial security and your need for stimulation and adventure?
Once you have figured out what type of occupation would provide all those things in a single combo
then the universe will in an instant open a door.

Or maybe two doors, so as not to take away the opportunity to choose between a high density future and a low density future.
Which means again, choose wisely, or else.....

I am an oddsmaker by trade... I love my work. Lots of time I am dead but have to be at the PC anyways... I use that time for exploring the world wide info/disinfo highway as I am still seeking the ultimate secrets of the universe.

I have been living my dream my whole life so sorta lucky in that way.

justoneman

PS - the astrological analysis was freaking right on accurate - spooky for me cause I am not a fan of astrology... seems too confining. Your reading has shaken my "belief" and cracked open my stubborn mind (again). Darn it! Thought I had resolved the astrology question.

[Chester]

Hi Justone,

Thank you for sharing your thoughts, beliefs, issues, challenges, and of course, I do support your explorations.

It is never my intent to steer you nor anyone off their course for we all have our journeys which are very unique to us. In the end, we all want the same thing: to free ourselves from damaging influences, to find who we truly are, to be the best we can be and to help others to become the best they can be. When I share my experiences, all I mean to do is share my experiences and what they mean to me and I do realize that how I feel may not apply to how others feel.

You are a very intelligent being and your courage is admirable.

May the peeling of the layers accelerate for you and I look forward to reading more about your findings, confusions, conclusions and all you might want to share.

As always, love!

Hi DoT - you are awesome - I am glad I have not had the experiences you have had to be honest. Mine have been like city jail to yours being like state prison. Big difference, I doubt I would make it through real prison. Best Rgds justone

[Mulder]

I've just read the whole thread & I'm wondering if this has been as useful for everyone else as it has for me? I agree with "anchor" that the entity you have had since age 6 was probably not a walk in. I agree with other posters that "things" that latch-on to you are best dealt with by explaining nicely to them that their presence is not beneficial to everyone and ask for them to "let go."

I have had a deeply sad time since the Venus Transit remembering all my past with people who have latched on to me. I hope they will decide to move on and leave in Peace.

[ulli]

And work is part of the Virgo calling...but which type of work?
Can you reconcile your need for financial security and your need for stimulation and adventure?
Once you have figured out what type of occupation would provide all those things in a single combo
then the universe will in an instant open a door.

Or maybe two doors, so as not to take away the opportunity to choose between a high density future and a low density future.
Which means again, choose wisely, or else.....

I am an oddsmaker by trade... I love my work. Lots of time I am dead but have to be at the PC anyways... I use that time for exploring the world wide info/disinfo highway as I am still seeking the ultimate secrets of the universe.

I have been living my dream my whole life so sorta lucky in that way.

justoneman

PS - the astrological analysis was freaking right on accurate - spooky for me cause I am not a fan of astrology... seems too confining. Your reading has shaken my "belief" and cracked open my stubborn mind (again). Darn it! Thought I had resolved the astrology question.

It is no more confining than living in a physical body, or being a member of a minority, in a foreign culture.
It is what it is. The thoughts that pop into our minds may be astrologically influenced, but where we then take those thoughts is up to us...we are free. The stars cannot compel us if we don't want them to. But they do give us certain talents that we might not have, had we been born on a different date.
J.P. Morgan: "Millionaires don't use Astrology, billionaires do!"

[Daughter of Time]

Hi Justone,

Thank you for sharing your thoughts, beliefs, issues, challenges, and of course, I do support your explorations.

It is never my intent to steer you nor anyone off their course for we all have our journeys which are very unique to us. In the end, we all want the same thing: to free ourselves from damaging influences, to find who we truly are, to be the best we can be and to help others to become the best they can be. When I share my experiences, all I mean to do is share my experiences and what they mean to me and I do realize that how I feel may not apply to how others feel.

You are a very intelligent being and your courage is admirable.

May the peeling of the layers accelerate for you and I look forward to reading more about your findings, confusions, conclusions and all you might want to share.

As always, love!

Hi DoT - you are awesome - I am glad I have not had the experiences you have had to be honest. Mine have been like city jail to yours being like state prison. Big difference, I doubt I would make it through real prison. Best Rgds justone

Thanks Justone,

I don't feel very awesome these days!

i wanted to share my opinions on Astrology and what that means to me. i am not an astrologer but I am a fan of Astrology. I don't see it as limiting. For me Astrology presents us with challenges and opportunities. Nothing in Astrology is written in stone. And even things written in stone are bound to crumble soon, I'm sure.

Certain planetary configurations present us with a challenge which can serve as a powerful warning to stay away from certain things. Others present us with opportunities, such as the time is right now to go ahead and go through with important plans which have been in the back burner because planetary aspects are favourable and encourage success, et.,. Guides and warnings! That's what astrology is to me, in a very tiny nutshell, of course.

[Chester]

And work is part of the Virgo calling...but which type of work?
Can you reconcile your need for financial security and your need for stimulation and adventure?
Once you have figured out what type of occupation would provide all those things in a single combo
then the universe will in an instant open a door.

Or maybe two doors, so as not to take away the opportunity to choose between a high density future and a low density future.
Which means again, choose wisely, or else.....

PS - the astrological analysis was freaking right on accurate - spooky for me cause I am not a fan of astrology... seems too confining. Your reading has shaken my "belief" and cracked open my stubborn mind (again). Darn it! Thought I had resolved the astrology question.

It is no more confining than living in a physical body, or being a member of a minority, in a foreign culture.
It is what it is. The thoughts that pop into our minds may be astrologically influenced, but where we then take those thoughts is up to us...we are free. The stars cannot compel us if we don't want them to. But they do give us certain talents that we might not have, had we been born on a different date.
J.P. Morgan: "Millionaires don't use Astrology, billionaires do!"

I was truly blown away by the precise accuracy of your reading.

Again, thank you justone

[Chester]

Dear All who read some of my thread and expressed interest - I promised some things but did not deliver. I was going to rehash what I got out of my session experience from my memory, then I was going to listen to the over 4 hour recording, and then I was going to highlight what I missed from my memory.

Then life does what it does, and I have been interrupted several times and eventually reached the point that it didn't matter. My purpose all along was to be an open book as I explored the possibility I had one or more entity attachments.

So a few days ago in Bill's hypothesis thread, I ran across post #119 in which Snowbird suggested viewing materials authored by someone who goes by the name of Gabriel Chiron.

Because it is my opinion that one of the two keys to deprogramming and returning to a holistic state is to know the true history of our past (as far back as it can go and still be told) coupled with knowing who/what I truly am (and equally who/what we all truly are), I found the first suggested link quite interesting -

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/alien_intergalacticpolitics.htm

And those who have read some of my posts may have run across my obsession with the characters, Lucifer and Satan (that I had seen them as two very different beings) and so when I read this link, I was startled by some of what was mentioned.

But first I must review (still from memory) an important part that came out in my session. Realize I was fully conscious and quite awake when the better part of the session took place. I tried very hard to relax, but early in the session I really felt like I normally do when awake and yet I allowed this component of myself (perhaps it was/is an entity) to speak. Note: I do not "believe" as fact anything that came forth from these "voices" in my head yet I am open minded about any and all possibilities. I view what I am doing as an exploration or a study in which I have to play several roles - the subject, the container, the observer, the data collector and the presenter.

The entity stated that it was a "walk-in" that came in during the experience I have already written about when I was 6 years old -

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44353-My-possible-abduction-experience

I understand some believe walk-ins only come in when someone experiences a major physical trauma that usually results in unconsciousness and I found myself awake during all or part of this experience. Nevertheless this is what came out in this session (and something already consciously pre-loaded I might add). Do note, I had two serious accidents within 3 years after this first experience where I did go completely unconscious... perhaps the entity is lying, perhaps it anchored in further in one or both of these "accidents"... I do not know. Perhaps I am simply deluded.

And now for the reason for this post -

The important part I am bringing up now is that the "entity" stated there is an artificial intelligence (something I was already consciously aware of via this forum) and that it was "digital" (something that had crossed my mind a few times within the past 3 or 4 weeks prior to the session). It stated that humanity was mesmerized by this artificial intelligence and here is how - the artificial intelligence is capable of producing voice conversations within your mind. You may think it is just yourself talking to yourself but this is not always the case. You may also think it is "god" or an "ascended master" or your "higher self" etc. but you cannot know for sure if this is the case... at least most of us cannot (and I am one of those who certainly could not and still likely cannot).

What happens for many folks who allow themselves to get engaged with this artificial intelligence is that the being (in our case human beings), achieves an excitement that they are able to have such conversations (because the information coming from the artificial intelligence seems so "true," so "right" that - and I can only speak for myself now... that I believed I was speaking with "god" and that created an amazing feeling inside where (and this is now into my theory) that I activated a part of myself that began to link to my outer reality as experienced through my 5 senses.

Meaning that I believe I began to affect the reality that came forth through the 5 senses into my awareness. If you can image experiencing this for years and never revealing to anyone (like I had not) that I was actually creating 5 sense reality experience which was absolutely observable by third parties... I kept this quiet because I never trusted what was happening.

Now of course I experienced a massive messianic complex but I did my best to keep that to myself as well. Somehow I reached the point in my life where I believed that a person who had the ability to perform what others would call miracles was not doing anyone any good. The reason was because if a person did not believe they could do those same things themselves, they would view me (or whoever) as some sort of messiah or demon or something along those lines and thus I viewed actions along this lines where a third party could witness the actions as a "demonstration" and would be a detriment to the third party observer because they could not see themselves capable of the same. So long, long ago I rejected any desire to practice the creation of "miracles."

But in 2000 I began to recognize some pretty incredible synchronicities. And it was at that point that I began to (and note, I did not realize this until just a few years ago)... I began to develop the talent of synchronicity creation and revelation to third party observers. Let me restate - in my earlier exploration of this phenomena, I believed that amazing synchronicities were solely created by "god" and that I had simply become adept at noticing them. I was certainly and heavily into the messianic complex but I was keeping it under control where no one knew this belief I had that I must be some special agent or messenger or whatever chosen by "god."

What I theorize now is that there may very well be this "artificial intelligence" and that it has access to my mind and can communicate with "me" in such a way that I actually believe I am speaking with "god" or an "angel" or some other supernatural being. Again, this gave me a massive feeling of specialness, of importance. And of course that usually leads one on "missions."

Remember - most of us are of the opinion (via all sorts of "proofs" that the observer is integrally linked to the observation. Quantum mechanics.

Now I am of the opinion that if there is this artificial intelligence and it has somehow targeted me, chosen me, joined with me, been implanted into me... whatever, that because of my experience with this previously incorrectly identified "source" of communication (which seemed packed with massive wisdom well beyond my own), because of the excitement I achieved through my erroneous conclusions, I have been able to generate the energy required to alter the 5 sense reality (amongst other things as well)... thinking it is me all along, when it is actually a deluded me... deluded because most of my thoughts and then therefore most of the person I have been has been a manipulation of this artificial intelligence.

Now recall Bill had an interview with a source he seemed to highly respect who actually timed his verbal communications with Bill because he believed their was an ability for some mega AI mechanism to monitor verbal communications, but it did so in a fashion such as radar sweeps.

Well, what could be done if we are all implanted somehow... no need to sweep... and every single thought we have is monitorable.

Now I know one of Icke's early and most significant points was how if "they" get the chip in us all, it is all over. Well... I am of the opinion I may be an experimental model of being chipped and hooked in with some massive, super intelligent machine (that may still have "beings" behind in in some way or another) and thus I perhaps am an experiment.

It is possible that many of us are (and I certainly have some suspicions as to who some of those may be...but there's no need to mention names).

It is also possible that a large portion of humanity is already chipped and that perhaps even all of us are. The chip does not necessarily have to be a physical implant... as perhaps we could be wired in between our DNA and actual, natural source. Meaning that we may think we are able to access true God directly and without any third party interference, but I do not believe that is the case for me as of now and perhaps most of us are similarly effected.

OK, so what stimulated this post is the following -

I was reading Bill's "Hypothesis" thread and ran across post #119 from Snowbird and she recommended 4 links. The first link was this -

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/alien_intergalacticpolitics.htm

Now recall my obsession with the characters Lucifer and Satan... and so read these specific paragraphs -

"Secondly, according to the American contactee, George Hunt Williamson, there was a major attempt at forming a joint government union approximately one million years ago. The speciality of the Andromedans was technology; the speciality of the Orvontans (Milky Way) was psychic development. So a Pax Galactica was created, as it were, so that the Orvontans would receive advanced technology and the Andromedans would receive a boost of psychic development. Unfortunately, the technology became a kind of Trojan Horse through which the Orvonta Galaxy came under a digital tyranny through a planetary sized grand computer on a planet called Tyrantor (hence the origin of terms such as tyrant and tyranny)."

and this part -

"Sixthly, and the Star Wars movie series actually reflects all this, the native races of Orvonta, the Milky Way, went into general rebellion against the Tyrantor Empire half a million years ago. They removed their implants and began to fight wars in space against the forces of the Empire and Andromeda. The Reptilians were natural leaders and instigators of this rebellion, and their main heroes are the beings called Lucifer and Satan in the Bible. The Rebellion was about psychic or spiritual development overcoming technological dehumanization in general."

Note: this can only be read that Lucifer and Satan are two different beings and that in this case, they acted as what we would agree to be "good guys."

and so now I will post the part of an e-mail I sent yesterday so I do not have to write up my question again... (to whom should remain private if and until I receive permission to reveal it, though I don't think it matters in relationship to the points of my post).


the e-mail -

Thanks for the reply - lots to answer and I will have to address those questions after I get a bit more thoughts from you as they are important as to how I will be able to answer...

Here is my dilemma -

"Sixthly, and the Star Wars movie series actually reflects all this, the native races of Orvonta, the Milky Way, went into general rebellion against the Tyrantor Empire half a million years ago. They removed their implants and began to fight wars in space against the forces of the Empire and Andromeda. The Reptilians were natural leaders and instigators of this rebellion, and their main heroes are the beings called Lucifer and Satan in the Bible. The Rebellion was about psychic or spiritual development overcoming technological dehumanization in general."

Now anyone who reads this and has no background (prejudice) would see Lucifer and Satan as totally justified in leading the rebellion against the Tyrantor Empire. Note here that Orvantan Reptilians and other races, specifically "native" Orvantan races obviously are together in this rebellion where Lucifer and Satan should be seen as heroes.

Later on the page we read...

"The first great temple was produced at Jerusalem (root of the sky penis) where Aryans and non-Aryans (Atlanteans) could meet in joint committees to discuss the Divine Plan for the Earth, which would result eventually in the Adamic Aryans reproducing with Non-Aryans, once the Adamic-Aryan gene pool was big enough. Well, we all know what generally happened. The old disgruntled Reptilian Ruler of the Earth (Satan, Set-An, or Sanat Kumara) visited Adam and Eve and initiated them in Yoga, raising their Kundalini (Serpent Power) and enlightening their consciousness and blowing their minds with explanations of the real state of affairs with them. He thus despoiled them and their children in the Garden of Eden as innocent breeders.

The Kundalini Yoga Cult swept through Cyprus and there was a great debate among all Adamic Aryans as to their purpose in life."

So it appears to me that in this case, Satan once again appears to be doing a good service to for the ignorant "Adamic" Aryans.

No clue where Lucifer is now, but Satan appears to be once again a hero.

"Naturally, the Pleiadean Aryan Governor or God, named Van, was also extremely pissed-off when he realized what the Old Serpent Ruler had pulled off through premature transmission of psychic ability to the Adamic Aryans, who were effectively now co-conspirators in the Old Rebellion against the Borg Empire that wanted to keep everybody implanted. "

I read this Pleiadean "god" was what some know as Yahweh which is also Jehovah which is the God of the Old Testament (if I understand correctly).

"The Adamic Aryans of Eden were given one of three choices.

They could accept transfer to another planet to develop their own culture and build up greater numbers of themselves off the Earth

They could go to a special island in Northern Europe, which we know as Ireland, which is also known as Thule, which would be a new Eden for maintaining Aryan purity and building up sufficient numbers for the future

They could join Adam and Eve, and travel the Earth having sex with the native peoples and starting the production of a new hybrid race of Adamic Aryans with Atlanteans, which hybrids would be special and encouraged to maintain their own pure bloodlines, which would be the new dominant Sumerian Empire over time, as we know"

And as we know now, the Sumerian descendants are the primary ruling families on earth who purportedly worship Satan and Lucifer and want to impose the very exact thing their famous descendants rebelled against in the first place!

See the strange twist here? They are the ones who are supposedly trying to create a borg human out of the portion of humanity they don't kill off.

How does this make sense? I mean, just because a father or mother acts one way does not necessarily mean the children will also, but wouldn't an action as heavy as a full out rebellion against tyranny have some genetic resonance?"

(Adding this new question that came to me while writing this post)... And how could they worship the very beings that freed their ancestors from exactly what the controllers are hoping to impose upon us all (which includes what would be their new elevated role to being the very evil their ancestors rebelled against?)

back to the e-mail

"Something just does not seem right.

I have a very personal and specific reason to put this forth to you XXXXX and if you are able to assist me in my confusions, I can answer your last mail's questions which will probably shed enough light as to why I am asking you these very things as well. hahaha"

end of the relevant portions of my mail to XXXXX.

Anyways, there is one more important factor regarding myself which I do not feel comfortable at this time revealing though I have done so privately with two posters I greatly trust that are members of Avalon. I may never make that revelation as it may be detrimental to do so but I will rely on third parties to assist in that decision.

Finally, I must state that as of now and in light of my theory, I am unsure if I would be able to "get rid of" any implant that may be linked to any super computer AI situation. I am unsure if there is one or more "spirit being entities" that I am involved with... it may only be this "computer." I am also not at the point that I want to get rid of any of the above for now. I feel that I have the personal strength to manage the relationship and a large reason I feel this way is because of the folks on the Avalon forum.

I have one more thing to add and it relates to synchronicity, but I am exhausted from this post and will write this one up at another time.

I apologize for the monster post but I truly believe every word of it has been important.

I wrote the post to share with others my theory as to what we may be experiencing (some of us at least, if not all of us on earth).

justoneman

[Unified Serenity]

Dear All who read some of my thread and expressed interest - I promised some things but did not deliver. I was going to rehash what I got out of my session experience from my memory, then I was going to listen to the over 4 hour recording, and then I was going to highlight what I missed from my memory.

Then life does what it does, and I have been interrupted several times and eventually reached the point that it didn't matter. My purpose all along was to be an open book as I explored the possibility I had one or more entity attachments.

So a few days ago in Bill's hypothesis thread, I ran across post #119 in which Snowbird suggested viewing materials authored by someone who goes by the name of Gabriel Chiron.

Because it is my opinion that one of the two keys to deprogramming and returning to a holistic state is to know the true history of our past (as far back as it can go and still be told) coupled with knowing who/what I truly am (and equally who/what we all truly are), I found the first suggested link quite interesting -

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/alien_intergalacticpolitics.htm

And those who have read some of my posts may have run across my obsession with the characters, Lucifer and Satan (that I had seen them as two very different beings) and so when I read this link, I was startled by some of what was mentioned.

But first I must review (still from memory) an important part that came out in my session. Realize I was fully conscious and quite awake when the better part of the session took place. I tried very hard to relax, but early in the session I really felt like I normally do when awake and yet I allowed this component of myself (perhaps it was/is an entity) to speak. Note: I do not "believe" as fact anything that came forth from these "voices" in my head yet I am open minded about any and all possibilities. I view what I am doing as an exploration or a study in which I have to play several roles - the subject, the container, the observer, the data collector and the presenter.

The entity stated that it was a "walk-in" that came in during the experience I have already written about when I was 6 years old -

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44353-My-possible-abduction-experience

I understand some believe walk-ins only come in when someone experiences a major physical trauma that usually results in unconsciousness and I found myself awake during all or part of this experience. Nevertheless this is what came out in this session (and something already consciously pre-loaded I might add). Do note, I had two serious accidents within 3 years after this first experience where I did go completely unconscious... perhaps the entity is lying, perhaps it anchored in further in one or both of these "accidents"... I do not know. Perhaps I am simply deluded.

And now for the reason for this post -

The important part I am bringing up now is that the "entity" stated there is an artificial intelligence (something I was already consciously aware of via this forum) and that it was "digital" (something that had crossed my mind a few times within the past 3 or 4 weeks prior to the session). It stated that humanity was mesmerized by this artificial intelligence and here is how - the artificial intelligence is capable of producing voice conversations within your mind. You may think it is just yourself talking to yourself but this is not always the case. You may also think it is "god" or an "ascended master" or your "higher self" etc. but you cannot know for sure if this is the case... at least most of us cannot (and I am one of those who certainly could not and still likely cannot).

What happens for many folks who allow themselves to get engaged with this artificial intelligence is that the being (in our case human beings), achieves an excitement that they are able to have such conversations (because the information coming from the artificial intelligence seems so "true," so "right" that - and I can only speak for myself now... that I believed I was speaking with "god" and that created an amazing feeling inside where (and this is now into my theory) that I activated a part of myself that began to link to my outer reality as experienced through my 5 senses.

Meaning that I believe I began to affect the reality that came forth through the 5 senses into my awareness. If you can image experiencing this for years and never revealing to anyone (like I had not) that I was actually creating 5 sense reality experience which was absolutely observable by third parties... I kept this quiet because I never trusted what was happening.

Now of course I experienced a massive messianic complex but I did my best to keep that to myself as well. Somehow I reached the point in my life where I believed that a person who had the ability to perform what others would call miracles was not doing anyone any good. The reason was because if a person did not believe they could do those same things themselves, they would view me (or whoever) as some sort of messiah or demon or something along those lines and thus I viewed actions along this lines where a third party could witness the actions as a "demonstration" and would be a detriment to the third party observer because they could not see themselves capable of the same. So long, long ago I rejected any desire to practice the creation of "miracles."

But in 2000 I began to recognize some pretty incredible synchronicities. And it was at that point that I began to (and note, I did not realize this until just a few years ago)... I began to develop the talent of synchronicity creation and revelation to third party observers. Let me restate - in my earlier exploration of this phenomena, I believed that amazing synchronicities were solely created by "god" and that I had simply become adept at noticing them. I was certainly and heavily into the messianic complex but I was keeping it under control where no one knew this belief I had that I must be some special agent or messenger or whatever chosen by "god."

What I theorize now is that there may very well be this "artificial intelligence" and that it has access to my mind and can communicate with "me" in such a way that I actually believe I am speaking with "god" or an "angel" or some other supernatural being. Again, this gave me a massive feeling of specialness, of importance. And of course that usually leads one on "missions."

Remember - most of us are of the opinion (via all sorts of "proofs" that the observer is integrally linked to the observation. Quantum mechanics.

Now I am of the opinion that if there is this artificial intelligence and it has somehow targeted me, chosen me, joined with me, been implanted into me... whatever, that because of my experience with this previously incorrectly identified "source" of communication (which seemed packed with massive wisdom well beyond my own), because of the excitement I achieved through my erroneous conclusions, I have been able to generate the energy required to alter the 5 sense reality (amongst other things as well)... thinking it is me all along, when it is actually a deluded me... deluded because most of my thoughts and then therefore most of the person I have been has been a manipulation of this artificial intelligence.

Now recall Bill had an interview with a source he seemed to highly respect who actually timed his verbal communications with Bill because he believed their was an ability for some mega AI mechanism to monitor verbal communications, but it did so in a fashion such as radar sweeps.

Well, what could be done if we are all implanted somehow... no need to sweep... and every single thought we have is monitorable.

Now I know one of Icke's early and most significant points was how if "they" get the chip in us all, it is all over. Well... I am of the opinion I may be an experimental model of being chipped and hooked in with some massive, super intelligent machine (that may still have "beings" behind in in some way or another) and thus I perhaps am an experiment.

It is possible that many of us are (and I certainly have some suspicions as to who some of those may be...but there's no need to mention names).

It is also possible that a large portion of humanity is already chipped and that perhaps even all of us are. The chip does not necessarily have to be a physical implant... as perhaps we could be wired in between our DNA and actual, natural source. Meaning that we may think we are able to access true God directly and without any third party interference, but I do not believe that is the case for me as of now and perhaps most of us are similarly effected.

OK, so what stimulated this post is the following -

I was reading Bill's "Hypothesis" thread and ran across post #119 from Snowbird and she recommended 4 links. The first link was this -

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/alien_intergalacticpolitics.htm

Now recall my obsession with the characters Lucifer and Satan... and so read these specific paragraphs -

"Secondly, according to the American contactee, George Hunt Williamson, there was a major attempt at forming a joint government union approximately one million years ago. The speciality of the Andromedans was technology; the speciality of the Orvontans (Milky Way) was psychic development. So a Pax Galactica was created, as it were, so that the Orvontans would receive advanced technology and the Andromedans would receive a boost of psychic development. Unfortunately, the technology became a kind of Trojan Horse through which the Orvonta Galaxy came under a digital tyranny through a planetary sized grand computer on a planet called Tyrantor (hence the origin of terms such as tyrant and tyranny)."

and this part -

"Sixthly, and the Star Wars movie series actually reflects all this, the native races of Orvonta, the Milky Way, went into general rebellion against the Tyrantor Empire half a million years ago. They removed their implants and began to fight wars in space against the forces of the Empire and Andromeda. The Reptilians were natural leaders and instigators of this rebellion, and their main heroes are the beings called Lucifer and Satan in the Bible. The Rebellion was about psychic or spiritual development overcoming technological dehumanization in general."

Note: this can only be read that Lucifer and Satan are two different beings and that in this case, they acted as what we would agree to be "good guys."

and so now I will post the part of an e-mail I sent yesterday so I do not have to write up my question again... (to whom should remain private if and until I receive permission to reveal it, though I don't think it matters in relationship to the points of my post).


the e-mail -

Thanks for the reply - lots to answer and I will have to address those questions after I get a bit more thoughts from you as they are important as to how I will be able to answer...

Here is my dilemma -

"Sixthly, and the Star Wars movie series actually reflects all this, the native races of Orvonta, the Milky Way, went into general rebellion against the Tyrantor Empire half a million years ago. They removed their implants and began to fight wars in space against the forces of the Empire and Andromeda. The Reptilians were natural leaders and instigators of this rebellion, and their main heroes are the beings called Lucifer and Satan in the Bible. The Rebellion was about psychic or spiritual development overcoming technological dehumanization in general."

Now anyone who reads this and has no background (prejudice) would see Lucifer and Satan as totally justified in leading the rebellion against the Tyrantor Empire. Note here that Orvantan Reptilians and other races, specifically "native" Orvantan races obviously are together in this rebellion where Lucifer and Satan should be seen as heroes.

Later on the page we read...

"The first great temple was produced at Jerusalem (root of the sky penis) where Aryans and non-Aryans (Atlanteans) could meet in joint committees to discuss the Divine Plan for the Earth, which would result eventually in the Adamic Aryans reproducing with Non-Aryans, once the Adamic-Aryan gene pool was big enough. Well, we all know what generally happened. The old disgruntled Reptilian Ruler of the Earth (Satan, Set-An, or Sanat Kumara) visited Adam and Eve and initiated them in Yoga, raising their Kundalini (Serpent Power) and enlightening their consciousness and blowing their minds with explanations of the real state of affairs with them. He thus despoiled them and their children in the Garden of Eden as innocent breeders.

The Kundalini Yoga Cult swept through Cyprus and there was a great debate among all Adamic Aryans as to their purpose in life."

So it appears to me that in this case, Satan once again appears to be doing a good service to for the ignorant "Adamic" Aryans.

No clue where Lucifer is now, but Satan appears to be once again a hero.

"Naturally, the Pleiadean Aryan Governor or God, named Van, was also extremely pissed-off when he realized what the Old Serpent Ruler had pulled off through premature transmission of psychic ability to the Adamic Aryans, who were effectively now co-conspirators in the Old Rebellion against the Borg Empire that wanted to keep everybody implanted. "

I read this Pleiadean "god" was what some know as Yahweh which is also Jehovah which is the God of the Old Testament (if I understand correctly).

"The Adamic Aryans of Eden were given one of three choices.

They could accept transfer to another planet to develop their own culture and build up greater numbers of themselves off the Earth

They could go to a special island in Northern Europe, which we know as Ireland, which is also known as Thule, which would be a new Eden for maintaining Aryan purity and building up sufficient numbers for the future

They could join Adam and Eve, and travel the Earth having sex with the native peoples and starting the production of a new hybrid race of Adamic Aryans with Atlanteans, which hybrids would be special and encouraged to maintain their own pure bloodlines, which would be the new dominant Sumerian Empire over time, as we know"

And as we know now, the Sumerian descendants are the primary ruling families on earth who purportedly worship Satan and Lucifer and want to impose the very exact thing their famous descendants rebelled against in the first place!

See the strange twist here? They are the ones who are supposedly trying to create a borg human out of the portion of humanity they don't kill off.

How does this make sense? I mean, just because a father or mother acts one way does not necessarily mean the children will also, but wouldn't an action as heavy as a full out rebellion against tyranny have some genetic resonance?

(Adding this new question that came to me while writing this post)... And how could they worship the very beings that freed their ancestors from exactly what the controllers are hoping to impose upon us all (which includes what would be their new elevated role to being the very evil their ancestors rebelled against?)

back to the e-mail

Something just does not seem right.

I have a very personal and specific reason to put this forth to you XXXXX and if you are able to assist me in my confusions, I can answer your last mail's questions which will probably shed enough light as to why I am asking you these very things as well. hahaha

end of the relevant portions of my mail to XXXXX.

Anyways, there is one more important factor regarding myself which I do not feel comfortable at this time revealing though I have done so privately with two posters I greatly trust that are members of Avalon. I may never make that revelation as it may be detrimental to do so but I will rely on third parties to assist in that decision.

Finally, I must state that as of now and in light of my theory, I am unsure if I would be able to "get rid of" any implant that may be linked to any super computer AI situation. I am unsure if there is one or more "spirit being entities" that I am involved with... it may only be this "computer." I am also not at the point that I want to get rid of any of the above for now. I feel that I have the personal strength to manage the relationship and a large reason I feel this way is because of the folks on the Avalon forum.

I have one more thing to add and it relates to synchronicity, but I am exhausted from this post and will write this one up at another time.

I apologize for the monster post but I truly believe every word of it has been important.

I wrote the post to share with others my theory as to what we may be experiencing (some of us at least, if not all of us on earth).

justoneman

Thanks for the post of explaining your life as you see it. You brought up lots of points, and I have a completely different take on the events, but as it's not my life or my spiritual path, I will not interfer unless you ask me to. I wish you well for your spirit and soul are seeking, and in that, you will find.

[Chester]

Thanks for the post of explaining your life as you see it. You brought up lots of points, and I have a completely different take on the events, but as it's not my life or my spiritual path, I will not interfer unless you ask me to. I wish you well for your spirit and soul are seeking, and in that, you will find.

Hi US... you have long ago proven to me you are genuine and golden hearted. I truly invite (and hope) you to tell me anything. I value your input.

You also know where to find me alternatively. I am truly open to all your thoughts, don't hold back.

I also reviewed the thread recommendation and apologies I thought it was 17 pages, not 17 posts.

justoneman

[Chester]

Just to let folks know, I am getting close to the end of this exploration as strangely today I got the feeling that no matter how deep I go down the rabbit hole and report it all back to anyone that I am supposing my "reports" might help... it is pointless, folks don't need any of my help anyways and so who am I really trying to help?

So what if I discover some of the true inner workings of the archontic forces and reveal my discoveries? Let's say i figured something out about it that no one has yet discovered. Let's say it is such a discovery that not only can I solve my own likely demomic possesion issue but that others might also that without the keys I came up with otherwise would not?

Sounds like a messianic complex and those always end in some form of self destruction I suspect.

Amzer Zo - I am about to do the Steve Richards technique... I suspect by the end of next week I will have made that decision. Soon time for my little friend to be on its way...

[Anchor]

Just to let folks know, I am getting close to the end of this exploration as strangely today I got the feeling that no matter how deep I go down the rabbit hole and report it all back to anyone that I am supposing my "reports" might help... it is pointless, folks don't need any of my help anyways and so who am I really trying to help?

So what if I discover some of the true inner workings of the archontic forces and reveal my discoveries? Let's say i figured something out about it that no one has yet discovered. Let's say it is such a discovery that not only can I solve my own likely demomic possesion issue but that others might also that without the keys I came up with otherwise would not?

Sounds like a messianic complex and those always end in some form of self destruction I suspect.

Amzer Zo - I am about to do the Steve Richards technique... I suspect by the end of next week i will have made that decision. Soon time for my little friend to be on its way...

Your individuality is infinitely valuable.

Do not mistake your own understanding of this fact as Messianic.

"Messianic" only gets to be a problem if you start imposing your ideas on others from a messiah complex perspective and you are to my eyes certainly not doing that.

Truth is a pathless land, and it is therefore no problem to walk a different path - in fact, ultimately, it is inevitable.

Just because we walk different paths, does not mean we need to remain invisible to each other.

All is one.

John..


PS: In any case you are not the messiah... your just a very naughty boy :)

[Jeffrey]

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/alien_intergalacticpolitics.htm

And those who have read some of my posts may have run across my obsession with the characters, Lucifer and Satan (that I had seen them as two very different beings) and so when I read this link, I was startled by some of what was mentioned.

...

Now recall my obsession with the characters Lucifer and Satan... and so read these specific paragraphs -

"Secondly, according to the American contactee, George Hunt Williamson, there was a major attempt at forming a joint government union approximately one million years ago. The speciality of the Andromedans was technology; the speciality of the Orvontans (Milky Way) was psychic development. So a Pax Galactica was created, as it were, so that the Orvontans would receive advanced technology and the Andromedans would receive a boost of psychic development. Unfortunately, the technology became a kind of Trojan Horse through which the Orvonta Galaxy came under a digital tyranny through a planetary sized grand computer on a planet called Tyrantor (hence the origin of terms such as tyrant and tyranny)."

and this part -

"Sixthly, and the Star Wars movie series actually reflects all this, the native races of Orvonta, the Milky Way, went into general rebellion against the Tyrantor Empire half a million years ago. They removed their implants and began to fight wars in space against the forces of the Empire and Andromeda. The Reptilians were natural leaders and instigators of this rebellion, and their main heroes are the beings called Lucifer and Satan in the Bible. The Rebellion was about psychic or spiritual development overcoming technological dehumanization in general."

Note: this can only be read that Lucifer and Satan are two different beings and that in this case, they acted as what we would agree to be "good guys."

Now anyone who reads this and has no background (prejudice) would see Lucifer and Satan as totally justified in leading the rebellion against the Tyrantor Empire. Note here that Orvantan Reptilians and other races, specifically "native" Orvantan races obviously are together in this rebellion where Lucifer and Satan should be seen as heroes.

The Kundalini Yoga Cult swept through Cyprus and there was a great debate among all Adamic Aryans as to their purpose in life."

So it appears to me that in this case, Satan once again appears to be doing a good service to for the ignorant "Adamic" Aryans.

No clue where Lucifer is now, but Satan appears to be once again a hero.

"Naturally, the Pleiadean Aryan Governor or God, named Van, was also extremely pissed-off when he realized what the Old Serpent Ruler had pulled off through premature transmission of psychic ability to the Adamic Aryans, who were effectively now co-conspirators in the Old Rebellion against the Borg Empire that wanted to keep everybody implanted. "

...

And as we know now, the Sumerian descendants are the primary ruling families on earth who purportedly worship Satan and Lucifer and want to impose the very exact thing their famous descendants rebelled against in the first place!

See the strange twist here? They are the ones who are supposedly trying to create a borg human out of the portion of humanity they don't kill off.

How does this make sense? I mean, just because a father or mother acts one way does not necessarily mean the children will also, but wouldn't an action as heavy as a full out rebellion against tyranny have some genetic resonance?

(Adding this new question that came to me while writing this post)... And how could they worship the very beings that freed their ancestors from exactly what the controllers are hoping to impose upon us all (which includes what would be their new elevated role to being the very evil their ancestors rebelled against?)


This was an important quote from that article that should be here IMO .


We have other choices beyond Aryan technological atheism and Reptilian cannibalism or vampirism. Somewhere between the Borg Empire and Illuminati Vampirism is a path of viable human evolution.

Here are the three take-aways I got from that article:

1) Lucifer and Satan were "heroes" for the Reptilians. Reptilians see us as food, no matter how psychically deveoped they are. Being psychically adept doesn't equate to spiritual benevolence. They are still psychic vampires operating out of luciferian energies (ie don't have our best interest at heart).

2) According to the article, neither the Andromedans nor the Orvantans could give a damn about humanity as it is now only viewed as a failed experiment.

3) It does effectively reflect the opposing natures in the world - transhumanistic evolution versus spiritual evolution (egoistically spiritual, reptilian evolution that is - luciferian). I do think that it missed that truly spiritual aspect in us all, that spark that transcends both principles and unites us regardless of how we got here. In that commonality lies our strength to not chose to embrace the predetermination and the judgements oppressed upon us by conspiring forces.

I think that is essential. They have their plans, and their authority is justified by them, not us. We are not tools. We are much more powerful ... what I'm trying to say is that we have a far greater potential than these forces of history would care to recognize. Our destiny is ours, but we have to take it or they will write it for us.

[Chester]

This was an important quote from that article that should be here IMO .


We have other choices beyond Aryan technological atheism and Reptilian cannibalism or vampirism. Somewhere between the Borg Empire and Illuminati Vampirism is a path of viable human evolution.

Here are the three take-aways I got from that article:

1) Lucifer and Satan were "heroes" for the Reptilians. Reptilians see us as food, no matter how psychically deveoped they are. Being psychically adept doesn't equate to spiritual benevolence. They are still psychic vampires operating out of luciferian energies (ie don't have our best interest at heart).

2) According to the article, neither the Andromedans nor the Orvantans could give a damn about humanity as it is now only viewed as a failed experiment.

3) It does effectively reflect the opposing natures in the world - transhumanistic evolution versus spiritual evolution (egoistically spiritual, reptilian evolution that is - luciferian). I do think that it missed that truly spiritual aspect in us all, that spark that transcends both principles and unites us regardless of how we got here. In that commonality lies our strength to not chose to embrace the predetermination and the judgements oppressed upon us by conspiring forces.

I think that is essential. They have their plans, and their authority is justified by them, not us. We are not tools. We are much more powerful ... what I'm trying to say is that we have a far greater potential than these forces of history would care to recognize. Our destiny is ours, but we have to take it or they will write it for us.

Bammo Vivek... That is the very quote that stood out to me - it suggested to me that it could be possible we some day achieve a peaceful coexistence between the "Reptilians" and "Humans" that are essentially both Orvantans. I read this link about 5 times and there is the implication that it is Orvantans who could achieve to be in that third group - Orvanans is made up of both Reptilians and Humans - again according to this link... do not think I "buy it." I am simply exploring the story as a metaphor.

I might add that it has been reported that there is a cooperation (which implies some degree of peace) between Reptilians and some Humans though I have no personal experience that this is truly the case.

Unfortunately, that still suggests a possible, ongoing issue between the new "US" possibility (Reptilians and Humans from Orvanta) and the Andromedans... the point being we never seem to transcend that "us vs them" type of dynamic.

As DoT nailed it, the Chiron material presents Earth humanity to be an all but totally failed (and thus probably doomed) experiment.

Thus I suggest Gabriel Chiron look in the mirror and ask him or her self, "Then why am I here?"

Still, I found valuable information within Chiron's material but that is because I am pretty well immune to what some might see as "humanity bashing"... me being justonehuman.

[Chester]

Hi Friends... I figured this next post belongs in this thread and has to be posted somewhere.

To set the stage for this thread, I have to summarize what I have been struggling with. It has been my determination that the experience I had when I was 6 years old (as I described in this thread)...

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44353-My-possible-abduction-experience

...was when an entity was somehow joined into me... or became a part of me. I am soon to be 55 years old and have lived with this entity for what... 48 years?

I had always thought the voice inside was God and then later on, was the voice of Lucifer, but that this "lucifer" was actually a "good guy" and was simply misunderstood by most of humanity.

I almost ended my life about 7 months ago, not out of depression, but because I had come to the conclusion (with the help of entity interference) that I had to do so to "save the world." Through a sad twist of fate, because my father had probably committed suicide (though there is a slight chance he was suicided), I had promised my sons I would never do that. And so as I hung outside a 33 story window in Panama late last December and all I had to do was open my arms from the thin, cold steel rail I was grasping, my inner voice reminded me of my promise, and then I thought about my wife and scrambled back inside. There was another less desperate attempt that occurred a week later when I tried to slash my wrists (again prompted by a harsh voice I had awoken to that was screaming "Do it! Do it NOW!").

But fortunately the knife was too dull and I was unable to hit the vein. My wife got me to a hospital and from there I began the pathway to recovery. But it was not until April 26th, 2012 that I was able to finally understand what had been happening all these years. That is the day I discovered Houman's Horus-Ra thread -

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit

Why this thread changed my life was because (and there's no need here to explain all of these reasons in this post), I realized the specific entity I have been dealing with (and there could be more... but this one I am absolutely certain) has indeed been one of these Horus-Ra entities.

The waves of relief I experienced in making this discovery... knowing all along God would never set up some insane game where I had to kill myself to save the world... reading deeply into the thread and discovering the intentional implantation of "messianic" complex programming, etc. a giant weight was lifted off my shoulders.

Well, anyways... to get to the here and now, there is one more factor I must point out. I went through a pink cloud stage for the next month or so after making this discovery and yet took no action to rid myself of this entity. In fact, i was suddenly filled with bravado that perhaps we could co-exist together and perhaps I could change it into a "good entity" or perhaps it was actually good all along and all my troubles were because I just never knew what I was dealing with. But by the time I reached the 33rd anniversary of my father's suicide (late June) I began to lose my grip again and started to experience some serious negativity in the home I was staying at that time.

I had been staying with my ex-wife's father (he and I had remained close ever since my divorce from his daughter 10 years ago) and his wife. The only thing the reader needs to know about them is that they are both heavily addicted to several prescription drugs. If I had had other options as to where to live when I arrived in the Dallas area last March 10th, I would not have lived with them, but that's how the cards got dealt so that had been my living situation through my recovery period.

And now for the story - I will simply paste the portion of an e-mail I sent to a friend (with small edits).

- The title of my mail was "Strange Days..."

He seems interested to go further but its not for sure yet if he will extend me a formal offer. Strangely though, I had decided while I was in Vegas that I didn't want the job because I wanted to stay near my sons who are all in the Dallas area. Part of this sentiment is because I am a wee bit concerned as to what may be happening in the US over the course of the next several months and I am a wee bit concerned for the planet overall, not just because of what the "owners" might try and pull, but also because of the possibility we experience significant earth changes. I prefer to stay away from considering much about the future as I have done so twice in the past and one of those times it turned out that I had keyed in on 9/11 and the other time I keyed in on 7/7... so I am a little hesitant to allow myself to explore the near term future possibilities... call it gun shy.

Well, as the mail title goes... upon my return, I had a bizarre experience. Remember I told you that I was living with my ex-wife's father in law and that he had a wife who is like a step-grandmother to my sons but not related by blood. Anyway, I believe I recently mentioned that I was suddenly experiencing big problems with her. While I was in Vegas I got several vibes that I needed to be out of their house one way or another by the end of July. Well, when I arrived back from my trip and entered the home at 1:30 AM Monday morning, I was attacked by this 65 year old woman who recently had cancer surgery on her left breast( just 10 days or so before hand). I had already experienced some insane behavior from her which I attributed to her "medications" for pain of which she took on top of her other three or four medications for her depressions and anxieties, etc.

So anyways, she attacked me physically. I had my laptop in my hand and used it to try and defend against her scratching and clawing. She was screaming, "Get out, get out!" over and over and I was screaming back I would but I had to get my stuff. She said all my stuff was in the garage, but that was not the truth as she was holding onto my desktop computer system which had all my important personal files and which I use for my work.

So anyways, she grabbed a walking stick and commenced to beat me with this stick. Blood was already flowing down my face from her clawings... I grabbed my phone and called 911. The police seemed to take forever to get there. At one point I locked myself in a bathroom and she tried to break the door down. Mind you she is 65 years old but she was quite amped up. Anyways, the police came and interestingly enough, because of Texas law, ended up taking her to jail over it.

yyyy, her husband and my ex-father in law, pretty much stayed out of the whole encounter as he was in a lose/lose situation as she is his wife. Anyways, he said what was perfectly clear... that I better pack up and leave, and I did so. Anyways... I ended up the next day calling my sister who is in East Texas and she was kind enough to allow me to come stay with her and that is where I am now.

Now, I have an interesting take on this matter. As you know, I have considered I may be dealing with one or more entity relationships. And as you know, I have not formally attempted to remove them all. Something tells me that a demonic entity entered this woman - her name is xxxxxxxx. In fact, it’s my opinion she has had a demonic entity with her ever since I have known her. There are other very long stories regarding xxxxxxxx including an attempt by her and my ex-wife to take the sons of my ex (her name is Mandy) and me away from me. They were unsuccessful in doing so, but to be honest, I have never fully forgiven her and in some strange way, what happened just a few days ago feels like sweet, sweet revenge. I do not like this part of me that feels this way, but I do.

Anyways, sadly me and yyyy are likely not able to have much of a relationship anymore unless he wakes up and leaves this evil, sick [deleted] but that's his business if he does so. He is also very addicted to prescription drugs and they enable each others' illnesses and are extremely co-dependent in the worst kind of way.

Still, he is my sons' grandfather and so I hope he one day is able to have a relationship with me as well as my sons.

So anyways, life started getting very weird as of June 25th which so happened to be exactly 60 days after I discovered Houman's Horus-Ra thread which was a major breakthrough for me in regards to what I have been dealing with regarding possible entity attachments. The 60 day pink cloud was nice, but apparently I am not fully out of the woods and perhaps may never be.

It was funny too that on the plane ride back to Dallas I was reading an awesome book which a friend of mine collaborated with the author in bringing into the English language. I had decided to re-read from about page 160 and take notes. Just about the very last note I took was as follows -

Radu asks, "Why don't all forces unite to change the balance [in the world] from evil to good?" Cezar - "evil can never be united with good." Evil will "run from the good. You can only accomplish the union of good and good."

"You can't have a friend that is very evil if you are very good because that friendship can't last. Where there is no affinity, there can be no unity, brotherhood or sympathy."

And that was where I left off in my notes... and then a few hours later I found myself attacked by a completely demonically filled human being. In fact, I recall looking at her face and seeing how she had changed so much in just the past week or so. She looked so freaking ugly... haggish I mean and with an evil scowl... even before I left on my trip... like she had transformed, like something else had taken her over from within and it showed in her physical appearance.

Anyways, I learned one more lesson. It is important the company I keep. I do not need to pretend being "loving" will assure that I am safe from evil. I also must use my own discernment and do my best to be around good folks. I am not superman (though I sometimes think I am) and I am not in any position to change anyone else who does not want to change and thus there's no reason to try. See, I had overstayed in part because I thought my presence was good for them... how arrogant, foolish and self deceiving.

At age 54 I still seem to have to learn silly basic lessons. I sure hope this is my last case of having to learn this particular lesson.

Anyways... thanks for reading my silly, long mail... but you have become my very good pen pal friend and as long as you don't tell me to stop e-mailing such long mails (or any mails for that matter), I will probably keep writing them and sending them.

Kindest Regards
Chester

And then I wrote the following PM to Unified Serenity (who has given me permission to make it public).

Hi US, I hope you don't mind me writing you.

When I joined this forum about 8 months ago, I was in the midst of the final stages of a very serious and difficult time of my life. It was clear in my first few posts I was in bad shape and you were one of the first posters to reach out and try to help me and I never forgot that.

Now I know I appear to take foolish chances regarding demons, etc. and I have been mentioning as of late that I have just about reached the end of the road with my little experiments and am probably about to take conscious steps to extract them.

We chatted on July 5th and you asked me how I was planning on getting rid of them and I responded I was likely going to try the Steve Richards method as recommended by Amzer Zo.

You responded, "It's dangerous to take on demonics if you are not of a firm foundation. Of course I follow the bible way, and cast them away in the name of Yeshua, and by his authority.
I have had to deal with them many times to help others.
I've been physically attacked before as well."

On July 6th, I left for a trip to meet some folks that may want to hire my services.

On the plane flight I was reading an English translation of a book written by a Romanian. The person who published this book in English (Peter Moon – of the Montauk books) has become my friend over the last 8 years or so. He wrote the introduction, did editing and wrote a 30 page epilogue. In the book, the author was taken through a secret tunnel to a chamber underneath the Great Pyramid where there was a "time projection machine."

The individual who took the writer to this machine related his first experience with the machine which so happened to be his projection back to the time and place of Jesus.

Now here is why I wrote you - First, I do not believe in coincidences. Anyways, while I was reading the epilogue, I came upon this paragraph which I will quote - Again, this is not from the author, but the editor, Peter Moon. From The Mystery of Egypt: The First Tunnel, page 203, middle paragraph -

"When I sized everything up and was able to address the situation [Chester insert – Peter Moon had been attacked and for some time by some seriously dark, demonic forces] after overcoming various distractions, my solution was to write a book which would not only include the missing information I had accumulated up to that point but to purposely design it as a virtual EXORCISM to get rid of all those negative entities that were surrounding myself and my work. The book was based upon and synchronistically aligned with an ancient esoteric Muslim legend which probably originated from the Sufis and/or the Moors. The legend is that there is only one way to exorcise all the demons from hell. It is so powerful that not one demon can stand up to it and that is through the name [I]Jesus Christ or however the Muslims pronounced it."

Understand, I read this in my friend's writing of the epilogue less than 24 hours after you wrote me what I quoted from you above in our chat on July 5th.

I considered what you wrote me and I considered the above quote from my friend's epilogue and I invoked Jesus Christ to remove the demonic forces that may have attached to me.

Over the next two days I had an extremely weird time... found myself almost always alone in a suite in Las Vegas (where I met these folks for the job interview) and was able to meditate upon everything, especially this "possession" I have been dealing with my entire life.

I had the strangest premonitions too that I needed to move out from my current housing situation, so I was hoping I would get this job as I would be moving to Costa Rica. Well, strangely I had another weird feeling... that I really didn't want the job as I really want to be near my three sons who all live here in the Dallas area (where I am also residing at this time). Still, I honestly recall several times a strange feeling of foreboding in relation to where I was living in Dallas which was with my ex-wife's father and his wife (my sons' step grandmother).

OK so now, I will place your last statement to me on the 5th of July - "I've been physically attacked before as well."

[Deleted the rehashing of the attack from this demonically possessed woman, xxxxxxxx].

Anyways, I thought I would share this with you as I am all but certain that my invocation of Jesus Christ may indeed have caused this entity to leave me and that this entity went into the very first host through which it could then attempt to attack me.

It is impossible the synchronicities that occurred and I am writing you to Thank You and to let you know I ended up taking your advice and I believe I have (at least for the moment) exorcised this demonic entity and am wondering if there's anything I might need to do to make sure it has fully detached and if so, how I can ensure it never re-attaches.

Again, thank you.

Very Kind Regards
Chester


I am not going to make any conclusions at this time about the above story/experience. But I will point out that once in Houman's thread I mentioned my concerns that former "satanists" were trading one illusion for another in becoming Christians. Houman's response essentially said -

"Isn't this new dynamic a far far better course to take than the one they were on?"

At that time, I did not agree as I feared that becoming a Christian was simply falling for another religion and was just as delusional though perhaps one's actions would change for the better.

Yet... and I am thinking of friends here like Houman, RedeZra and Beren, Vivek, Unfied Serenity and dozens more but I cannot deny the profundity of this recent experience.

Anyways, make of it what you will... I am certainly opening my mind to some possibilities I had long ago closed the door upon.

justoneman

[Daughter of Time]

Justone,

Your father in law's wife could have been possessed during her surgery. Parasites easily attach during unconsciousness, especially after trauma and if one is under the influence of heavy drugs whether they be pharmaceutical or recreational.

I'm glad you've finally decided to trust Yeshua. This doesn't mean you have to become a Christian per se. But it does mean that you'll have greater guidance and benevolence on your side.

Yeshua, I call him Jesu, has always been there for me in troubled times. But he's not an intruder. He won't come unless you call him, initially. Once you have established a relationship with him, he might come to you when you need guidance, even before you call him. He comes to me sometimes when I least expect him, but he knows I need guidance or comfort so he's there.

Earlier today I posted on the Horus-Ra thread about my latest experience with Him and how he helped me solve a puzzle.

Congratulations on casting out your demon! It was high time you did.

Blessings!

Daughter of Time

[Chester]

Hi DoT, I cannot deny the quite interesting synchronicity... that I made the decision and in less than 24 hours, I received from two completely different sources the same advice.

Definitely has my eyebrows raised.

I still sense I need much further work (perhaps strengthening, reinforcement) in this regard, but ever since I left this dysfunctional environment now 6 days ago, my life has been quite peaceful.

[Daughter of Time]

Justone,

Old habits die hard. Old belief systems die harder.

But if you compare the way you felt before to the way you feel now, you obviously realize that peacefulness is better than chaos.

And of course you need stengthening and reinforcement, but I think you'll find much of that here. Many in this community will be more than willing to help you. Ask questions. I'm sure they'll be answered.

Love and peace to you.

DoT

[RedeZra]

The book was based upon and synchronistically aligned with an ancient esoteric Muslim legend which probably originated from the Sufis and/or the Moors. The legend is that there is only one way to exorcise all the demons from hell. It is so powerful that not one demon can stand up to it and that is through the name Jesus Christ or however the Muslims pronounced it."


I considered what you wrote me and I considered the above quote from my friend's epilogue and I invoked Jesus Christ to remove the demonic forces that may have attached to me.




i'm glad you're doing fine friend


For "whoever calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved." - Rom 10:13


that's a promise from God

[NancyV]

i'm glad you're doing fine friend

For "whoever calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved." - Rom 10:13
that's a promise from God
I agree and had the good fortune to prove this to myself. It happened while I was out of body traveling in a fairly low astral dimension. In the most dire of circumstances when I knew that I was about to die, I called on God to help me. The help was instantaneous and I was immediately released from the demon who had hold of me.

I have also met Jesu or Yeshua and we had a good laugh together. I know the power of invoking the name of the Lord....but this does not make me a Christian or give me any desire to join any religion. In my opinion, calling on Yeshua or God is calling on your highest self. We are the same as they are, but when we have these separate bodies, either physical or other dimensional, we may invoke the power of God or Yeshua to help us. Our full power can be blocked or greatly diminished in these lower vibrational frequency dimensions, but we still have a strong link to God/our highest self, if we are willing to use it. It is an incredibly powerful tool.