Disclosure Imminent - Breaking News: Baltic Sea Anomaly

[SEAM]

I'm starting this over again, because, well, I'm a positive kinda guy...
(too many "Wont's, Cant's, Couldnt's, Shouldnt's)

Original Thread: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?45818-Disclosure-Imminent-In-6-to-10-days

Inelia Benz feels it's Imminent

IT'S TIME! http://ascension101.com/en/ascension-information/63-june-2012/250-call-to-action-its-time.html
Inelia Quote: This might manifest in our lives as a huge acceleration of personal awareness. Our experience of moving out of Linear Time. I also get that more and more "extra terrestrial" contact will happen both at a personal level as well as "media events" level. We are simply graduating as a species. But I have the sneaky suspicion that each person will get slightly different information that corresponds to their particular mission on the planet. So, tap into it and follow the energy of the message to Source.

From "The Ocean Explorer" Ocean "X" Team:
2012-04-02
incredible, we have measured the radiative value of the anchors we used. It’s quite intriguing, the normal level of radiation is 0,1 milli Sieverts and we get 0,63 when measuring on the anchors. It’s far from dangorus levels but still; it’s 6 times higher than a normal level of radiation. The anchors have been on the bottom like 2-3 kilometers from the circle, so one can wonder if we will get higher values of radiation the closer we get of the circle?

2012-06-01
OCEAN X-TEAM PREPARES FOR UPCOMING EXPEDITION ON JUNE 1st DISCOVERING THE MYSTERIOUS DISC-SHAPED OBJECT IN THE BALTIC SEA
STOCKHOLM, Sweden – 30/5/2012 – The treasure hunters Peter Lindberg and Dennis Åsberg are working day and night preparing the boat Ancylus who will take them out to the awaited excursion; to find out what’s hiding there at the depth of the Baltic Sea. The mysterious disc-shaped object who suddenly appeared on their sonar has engaged the whole world – What will they meet down there at approximately 275 feet?

”We need to explore what we have found. Media has been speculating about everything from UFOs to Russian space ships, and the time has come to find out what the sonar image actually is”, says Peter Lindberg, professional wreck diver and co-owner at Ocean X-Team.

The expedition starts from Norrtälje June 1st harbor and are planned to continue the upcoming weeks.

2012-06-04
News; The expedition started Friday 1st from Norrtälje harbor when Ocean X-Team took their crew out for this exciting adventure trying to find out what the mysterious disc-shaped object is. Unfortunately the weather conditions have been really bad the last days, but now they are on a roll.

2012-06-06
1.00 pm, Ocean X Team on site
The ship Ancylus, carrying the Ocean X Team, is now anchored above the circle-shaped object. They started to scan the seabed and they are taking samples for analyses. Due to really bad weather conditions the operation took a little bit longer than scheduled. But they are working hard and prepare to dive down there for further investigations today.

2012-06-07
BREAKING NEWS 2pm, The divers are now down and investigating the circle and reports from the ship say they are really amazed. There is definitely something unusual hiding at the seabed – a Mystery Beneath. More information and pictures will be released next week.

http://www.oceanexplorer.se/

[SEAM]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=k4kq3T_l6wc#!

[onawah]

I hope the positive ET/EDs are watching over these guys, and TPTW and MMS will not be able to thwart them or their news from getting out.
I will be saying some prayers for them.

[SEAM]

Dennis Åsberg:
"Everything is top secret now ... because of the risks ... hope you all understand this is no game. But the truth will be reported shortly."

16 HOURS AGO.

http://www.facebook.com/groups/178384865554985/

[doodah]

Seam, this is tremendously exciting. I have to remind myself that it's okay to get excited, but maybe not TOO excited! Patience, patience...

Can you keep this thread updated for those of us who are "computer challenged"? I and others have dial-up internet service and can't access current information very easily. I just tried to get into the oceanexplorer site and basically it wouldn't load. If you can keep this thread updated, that would be terrific! I'll keep checking back here to see what's new.

I do hope they don't hide the information about whatever they find there.

Peace,
~ Doodah

[Kimberley]

I found this....I have not traced the source yet...:

http://www.ufo-blogger.com/2012/06/baltic-ufo-everything-is-top-secret-now.html



Baltic UFO : Everything Is Top Secret Now, Says Search Team

June 11, 2012

In latest development according to Dennis Asberg "Everything is top secret now because of the risks, hope you all understand this is no game. But the truth will be reported shortly."

edit.. OK SEAM I understand where this came from ...a FB post..

[marielle]

Also, could you please keep this thread updated for those of us who refuse to sign up for Facebook? I can't even look without creating an account. Thanks!

[doodah]

SEAM, can you merge this thread with your other one -- "Disclosure Imminent - In 6 to 10 days? " -- let's get all the info in one place, please. This is too potentially exciting to have the posts in different places.

Someone on that other thread has commented that the location of the object is relatively near Pennemunde where the Nazis were doing all kinds of things with non-Einsteinian physics. It's certainly interesting (although disappointing) to think that this is possibly a Nazi antigravity craft.

And what? David Wilcock is heading to the Baltic? That's a rumor from the other thread, too, no source given for that bit of info.

And what? US and Russian naval exercises are going on in the dead center of where this object is located? Oh no. Bummer.

Thanks! Please keep us up to date.

[Anchor]

Avalon at its finest :)

:doh:

[PHARAOH]

12 Days now and for what??? "BREAKING"??? Distractions, dis-trac-tions.... Wake up people!!! :bs:

[SEAM]

Found this from a Swedish Website.. Posted from Xplorer FB page.. translated to English:

Definitely something unusual
Wednesday this week (June 6) they were back at the site of the mysterious circle. The excitement was great when divers recovered the next day down to 83 meters. And they did not come back disappointed.

- According to reports from the ship's divers very amazed. There is definitely something unusual hiding on the seabed. A mystery, reports the Ocean Explorer cryptic on the website 's.

At the same time promised that more information and pictures will be published next week.

When the mysterious object was found a year ago, treasure hunters on fire. But Åsberg would not submit to the UFO speculation.

- I am a professional and dare not think the courts. But one has the imagination with it, then it may be possible. I think more that it is something man made that has been dumped in the sea.

"New Stonehenge"
In front of the object, one can also see what looks like a 1000 meter long track, as if the circle has slipped over the seabed until it has stopped. Swedish UFO enthusiasts believe it can be towed traces of a possible crash landing on the seabed.

- It is impossible to say whether the tracks originate from the object, but the way we interpret the images they do, says Åsberg.


UNCERTAIN: Dennis Åsberg do not know what they have found on the seabed of the Baltic Sea. Photo: Private

Also read: Is this a UFO wreckage at the bottom of the Baltic Sea?

Wreck Leader Peter Lindberg has said that it might be the talk of "a new Stonehenge."

- It may be. We have had ice in the Baltic Sea as well, so it may be something very old, supplemented Åsberg.

Strange
Also, Norwegian experts found photographs of the seabed was strange.

Marine archaeologist Fredrik Skoglund at the Science Museum at NTNU also think the pictures are strange.

- But based on these images, it is difficult to say what it can be. Sonar is used as a preliminary investigation and to clarify what this is, one down with divers or video equipment. What looks unnatural can often prove to be natural, and vice versa, said marine archaeologist Fredrik Skoglund at the Science Museum at NTNU tv2.no.


My update:
The David Wilcock update came from a Twitter follower of his.. totally unsubstantiated, but not unlike him to delve into. Claims that an insider (always the insiders) got him in.

As to Gov. shutting this down... Make No Mistake.. It's now not up to Terra Governments... It truly never was... take that anyway you wish.

In other developments.... Just read two new W. Strieber books... two things stood out, per Alien Contact:
One... They don't want to be discovered - YET - (Their call, not ours, never was egoman's decision) because our most brilliant scientists would suspend all of their efforts to help mankind, to learn everything about past alien tech, thus putting a huge lag on our own tech breakthrough's .. Makes sense.

And Two... Remember - "As above, So below" - We let our livestock graze in denial... We don't stress them out to create better food...We inject tracking devices into ocean animals to study their habits...

This whole EVENT could be a huge, wonderful breakthrough.. not for me, or folks like Whitley, but for the Theo crowd who control the Mass...(oh, those R.Cath's) or
it could be the beginning of a really bad time. .. I don't know, and I would never be so vain as to say one way or another, with any thread of conviction.

Interesting Times Indeed...

[SEAM]

Peter Lindberg, one of the co-discoverers and a diver on the team that planned to research the object told FOX News that" We’ve heard lots of different kinds of explanations, from George Lucas’s spaceship—the Millennium Falcon—to 'it’s some kind of plug to the inner world,' like it should be hell down there or something.

"We don’t know whether it is a natural phenomenon, or an object. We saw it on sonar when we were searching for a wreck from World War I. This circular object just turned up on the monitor. We’ll be searching the area in a number of ways. We’ll use sonar to make 3D images of the bottom, the clay bottom, of that part of the sea. We’ll send down deep-sea divers too. And a camera robot. We’ll also take samples from the sea bed and measure them for toxicities and radiation."

Dennis Åsberg, Lindberg's partner, has expressed frustration that their dive to discover the object's secrets has been thwarted by Russian and American warships.
"We have put everything we own [into this venture]," he said.
Although the object is at the bottom of the Baltic Sea, the Russian Federation has no claim on it because the region of the seabed the object is located at is in international waters.

The location of the object was secret, but the Russians and Americans pinpointed where it is and have moved aggressively into the area.
Under the cover of naval exercises, both the Russians and American warships have kept the diving team away.

"I can not help but wonder why it is happening right now," Åsberg complained.
Or what the military powers will find…

[SEAM]

The bottom of the Baltic Sea is like a dead zone - no currents. So the Ocean Explorer team thinks the “sand bars” or tracks near the objects must have been created by impact forces

"If it is an asteroid and when it hits the water, it is coming very, very high speed. And when it hits the water, this asteroid breaks up into two pieces. The smaller one flies away a little bit, but the larger one as we see now - the circle - it's going through the water body with such high speed, it is a pressure wave going through the water down on the bottom and the track is because of that. And then the circle ends up where it is now."


"The second object, the smaller one, when this object hits the water and the smaller object flies away a bit further on. Then it hits the water and sinks down. So I think in that case, the track is there because it has been a pressure wave through the water that has made the track."

CAN YOU TALK ABOUT BOTH OBJECTS?

"Yes, we have the first object, the circle. It's round, but if you zoom in you will see that there are some kind of objects that are very squared. It's not natural formation on the bottom."

DO THE OBJECTS BOTH APPEAR TO BE INTELLIGENTLY CONSTRUCTED - NOT NATURE?

"I have to put it like this: It is nothing as I have natural things before. It looks like because of all the straight lines and very circular shape of the circle, I would say that, Yeah, if it is natural, it is very, very strange. It would fit more if it is made by someone. I have difficulties to see that we have found something that is fallen down from space, which is not manmade, but made by someone else (extraterrestrial). So I'm trying to find natural explanations regarding this as well."

http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1963&category=Environment

[doodah]

SEAM, thanks for all this information. Those of us interested in this topic but unable to access websites because of glacially slow dialup or no-Facebook, really appreciate it!

Are there any photos anywhere other than the one of the circle on the seafloor? Anything showing those angular parts of the structure?

He's saying that the militaries are keeping them away from the site? What rights in law do they have to do that, this being international waters? I know the militaries will take the "right of guns" -- the biggest, meanest guy with the biggest guns does what they want, as usual, the law be damned. The militaries are acting like pirates. I hope the Ocean Explorer team will sue the pants off of whoever is blocking their way.

THANK YOU!

~ Doodah

[tonton]

thanks seam.

[SEAM]

"Although there is a great deal of frustration at present among people desperate to know what the object is, it is widely thought that the team want to properly and scientifically document what they have found before any announcement is made."

Baltic Anomaly: OceanX Team Update
Posted on June 12th, 2012
"Before getting into a recap on yesterday, the main news is that there is supposed to be a press release this week from the OceanX team on their findings - (not a press conference) as some have wrongly suggested. Also a source close to the crew yesterday suggested that the news coming soon would be in his words – “AMAZING”."

"Meanwhile the group’s Facebook page went into meltdown overnight as it’s membership surged by a few thousand people. Frustratingly, the rapid influx of newbies making pointless postings and going over old ground has derailed what was a very cohesive group. The newbies were also joined by a seemingly endless procession of trolls peddling incorrect information from various blogs looking for sensationalist headlines."
(Say it isn't so) :nono:

[SEAM]

The facts again:
There are THREE objects of interest – the main circular anomaly, a smaller secondary object like a “Gothic church window” 200 metres away and a 90ft high and 900ft wide rock outcrop with a crack running through it some 1500 metres South. The team have stated they are not really interested in the second anomaly, although the reason for this is unclear, given that it may be a fragment of the main anomaly that broke off on impact.
The objects lie in 80-85 metres depth of water. (3 hour ascent)
Visibility is 2-3 feet maximum.
The object is 60 metres (approx 200ft wide) roughly equivalent to the wingspan of Boeing 747.
The main circular anomaly is not a rock formation.
Russian and US Navy ships are NOT looking for the object, nor are they blocking the OceanX team – this is unsubstantiated rumour. The annual BALTOPS operation has nothing to do with the OceanX exploration.

Source: http://truthfall.com/baltic-anomaly-oceanx-team-update/

[Kimberley]

"[I]Although there is a great deal of frustration at present among people desperate to know what the object is, it is widely thought that the team want to properly and scientifically document what they have found before any announcement is made."

Baltic Anomaly: OceanX Team Update
Posted on June 12th, 2012
"Before getting into a recap on yesterday, the main news is that there is supposed to be a press release this week from the OceanX team on their findings - (not a press conference) as some have wrongly suggested. Also a source close to the crew yesterday suggested that the news coming soon would be in his words – “AMAZING”."



SEAM thank you for your updates... however what is the source of this "update" where did you find it? I do not see it on the main web site:
http://www.oceanexplorer.se/

(edit) Ok I found it http://truthfall.com/baltic-anomaly-oceanx-team-update/

Much love!

[crosby]

Seam this is great stuff. thank you so much for keeping us updated on what is happening. i am excited! could be something HUGE.......
warmest regards, corson

[doodah]

...
Russian and US Navy ships are NOT looking for the object, nor are they blocking the OceanX team – this is unsubstantiated rumour. The annual BALTOPS operation has nothing to do with the OceanX exploration.

Oh! Excellent!

Thank you, SEAM! I am prepared to be AMAZED. Please keep up this great work you're doing here. We who are technologically at the stone tablets level :) appreciate it more than you can know, that you're helping us follow this exciting story. What a wonderful place Avalon is, with such wonderful people in it.

~ Doodah

[doodah]

SEAM, I have to back up a little on my "oh, excellent" post in response to your post #17 that Russian and US Navy ships are NOT looking for the object, nor are they blocking the OceanX Team.

Let's go back to your post #12, where you report from an undated, unspecified source:


Dennis Åsberg, Lindberg's partner, has expressed frustration that their dive to discover the object's secrets has been thwarted by Russian and American warships.

Are you saying that this post is not true? Where did it originate? It would be very helpful if you could put the dates on these posts, too, so we can see the chronological order of things.

If this was true at the time, then is your post #17 true now? That is, they WERE being blocked by the militaries, but are not blocked NOW?

Thanks!

[SEAM]

SEAM, I have to back up a little on my "oh, excellent" post in response to your post #17 that Russian and US Navy ships are NOT looking for the object, nor are they blocking the OceanX Team.

Let's go back to your post #12, where you report from an undated, unspecified source:


Dennis Åsberg, Lindberg's partner, has expressed frustration that their dive to discover the object's secrets has been thwarted by Russian and American warships.




Are you saying that this post is not true? Where did it originate? It would be very helpful if you could put the dates on these posts, too, so we can see the chronological order of things.

If this was true at the time, then is your post #17 true now? That is, they WERE being blocked by the militaries, but are not blocked NOW?

Thanks!

I'm simply searching the "newest" info and providing... No judgements.. Many, Many trolls involved in the process, as would be expected...(Facebook page being overrun with porn links)
I'm trying to provide all source material so no one thinks I'm extracting only sensational material. Found this this morning from http://www.guerrillaexplorer.com/2012/06/baltic-anomaly-lost-updates.html

"Right now there is a military exercise in the area where both Russians and Americans are involved. I can not help but wonder why it is happening right now." ~ Dennis Åsberg, Translated from Aftonbladet, May 31, 2012

These military exercises are real, but hardly unexpected. They are called BALTOPS and take place every year in the Baltic Sea. The fact that the Ocean X Team called attention to them strikes us as suspicious. It's possible they did this to help build a cover story for military intervention.

Second, Lindberg is obviously a treasure hunter and seems inclined to deal with the facts. His cooly-worded statements are a far cry from the highly charged and ultra-vague statements recently issued by his partner, Mr. Dennis Åsberg.

You have to hand it to the Ocean X Team. They've done a marvelous job building up a captive audience. Many people, especially UFO enthusiasts, are on the edge of their seats. The Team accomplished this feat by teasing the possibility of something spectacular, such as a sunken city or a crashed UFO (on a side note, the fanciful image above of a crashed spaceship can be found on the Team's website). The publicity campaign was necessary...without it, the Team wouldn't have been able to afford any further expeditions to the Anomaly.

I did, however note that from the beginning, they thought it would take 2 weeks, from June 6, there about.

I am following 3 or 4 sites to get new info. Their FB page, which is a tough one to follow (not unlike here at times),
Their own site: http://www.oceanexplorer.se/
This one, which seems open and optimistic: (they have put together a list of outcomes) http://truthfall.com/
And another site which is highly doubtful of the outcome, here: http://www.guerrillaexplorer.com/2012/06/baltic-anomaly-lost-updates.html

I do think that when the noise increases, as it has done of late, that one with eyes and ears, as it were, should take notice.

Also... on another totally (related/unrelated) note... Cliff the bot has a couple items coming up in July about undersea alien discoveries.. you gotta find it yerself though..

[doodah]

Thanks, SEAM. You've got about as clear-headed an approach to this as we could ask for -- much appreciated! I don't give any credence or attention to Clif the bot, myself.

But as for this:


Baltic Anomaly: OceanX Team Update
Posted on June 12th, 2012
"Before getting into a recap on yesterday, the main news is that there is supposed to be a press release this week from the OceanX team on their findings - (not a press conference) as some have wrongly suggested. Also a source close to the crew yesterday suggested that the news coming soon would be in his words – “AMAZING”."

We're still in the week of June 12 ... so "this week" may bring some interesting new news, I hope. Awaiting with much curiosity...

[drizzt]

thanks for the updates. cant wait to hear what is really down there.

[sunnyrap]

Looks like the trolls leaped into action immediately. "Great hoax..." one guy posts on their FB page. One of the Explorer crew posted about the American and Russian navy vessels that had rushed in and started doing 'maneuvers' so the explorers couldn't use their equipment--Anyone find any updates on this ? I guess the explorers had to rush the news to the public quickly for it to get out at all, but too bad they couldn't have gotten a bit further before the clamp down was applied. A Swedish woman posted that there would be an update from them soon...

[Airwooz]

what about the photos they promised to show us this week ?

[danceblackcatdance]

http://www.oceanexplorer.se/

2012-06-15
NEWS RELEASE

15/6/2012, PRESS RELEASE

THE TREASURE HUNTERS, OCEAN X TEAM, DISCOVERED SOMETHING UNIQUE WHEN THEY DOVE DOWN TO THE MYSTERIOUS CIRCLE-SHAPED OBJECT IN THE BALTIC SEA

Treasure hunters confirm they have found something abnormal in the seabed

STOCKHOLM, Sweden, June 15, 2012

The Ocean X Team dove down to the circle-shaped object in the Baltic Sea and met something they never experienced before. First they thought it was just stone or a rock cliff, but after further observations the object appeared more as a huge mushroom, rising 3-4 meters/10-13 feet from the seabed, with rounded sides and rugged edges. The object had an egg shaped hole leading into it from the top, as an opening. On top of the object they also found strange stone circle formations, almost looking like small fireplaces. The stones were covered in something resembling soot.

“During my 20-year diving career, including 6000 dives, I have never seen anything like this. Normally stones don’t burn. I can’t explain what we saw, and I went down there to answer questions, but I came up with even more questions “, says Stefan Hogeborn, one of the divers at Ocean X Team.

The path to the object itself can be described as a runway or a downhill path that is flattened at the seabed with the object at the end of it.

“First we thought this was only stone, but this is something else. And since no volcanic activity has ever been reported in the Baltic Sea the find becomes even stranger. As laymen we can only speculate how this is made by nature, but this is the strangest thing I have ever experienced as a professional diver“, continues Peter Lindberg, one of the founder Ocean X Team.

Right now, scientists are examining samples from the circle-shaped object, and experts in sonar imaging are processing data from the ship to hopefully shed more light over the mysterious object.

[SEAM]

Such is the mysterious circle out at close range (Translated Swedish to English)

Now Express - the first newspaper - publish the first pictures from the dive at the mysterious object. A dive that was supposed to provide answers to the mystery - but instead brought even more questions. Stefan Hogeborn has 20 years experience of diving and working as underwater photographer and dive instructor. Here he describes the first dive at the world famous circle in the Baltic Sea:
- The first thing we will see is some kind of rock formation that looks to be cast in cement, he said.
When they swim further, they see several rock formations.
- It looks almost like a pearl necklace or that someone has tried to make a fireplace with an inch-sized rocks on the ocean floor.
The furnace-like rock formations on top of that which constitutes the large circle that was discovered with a scanner tool last year. Divers images shows that the circle in turn consist of several blocks formed by "rolls" or "mushrooms" that is attached to each other, forming the circle. Overall, the object is 60 meters long and about as wide.
- When we had swum across the object, we get to the weird thing. Then it's like someone has pinched the mountain at the edge, as if you have breathed together two molds, and it sticks out between stone formers, said Stefan Hogeborn.
"Probably sandstone"
At the next dive, they took a sledgehammer to dislodge a piece of material. Stefan Hogeborn describes the sense of carbonized material. During the last dive divers discover an oblong hole in one and a half times the six inches that go into one of the rocks which form the circle.
- I have never, ever, ever, seen anything like it, says Stefan Hogeborn.
Expressen has let Martin Jakobsson, a professor of marine geology and geophysics at the University of Stockholm, see an image from the dive.
- There is probably some kind of sandstone. When you look at the structure, it looks like it, he says.
The samples from the discovery of the Baltic Sea has been sent for analysis.
- Since we did not get any answers to the questions we asked ourselves, we have brought this to the experts who may be looking at the pieces we brought up, says Stefan Hogeborn.

Source, with video: http://www.expressen.se/nyheter/sa-ser-den-mystiska-cirkeln-ut-pa-nara-hall/

[SEAM]

And now we will break for a rarely viewed filler from NAZA: (Notice that the silence speaks the loudest - as in "What do I say NOW??!!) Went from a reflection, to objects, to a floating tin foil hat ... gotta love it. ... "Late Tally-Hoe" means.......


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PV-xTDnZnHU#!

Source: http://truthfall.com/triangular-ufo-formation-nasa/

[watchZEITGEISTnow]

hope its not some old dis-guarded nuke waste...

[SEAM]

If you look at all the links, videos, and comments made at this point (Friday June 15, 2012).. I see two scenarios:

1) They are putting out crumbs to keep the suspense at a maximum level to build up to a TV Special Release (main $ backers) and,

2) What you see is what is left over after a TPTB removal.

Either option, involves very heavy power plays.

Happy Dad's Day!

[foreverfan]

Breaking News.... It seems it's been broke for quite a few days now.

[Cartomancer]

Something about all of this does not seem right. They have actually had people go down there yet they are not showing pictures or giving us an accurate description of what they saw. If its sandstone it is not a UFO. Perhaps it is the remains of some underwater facility or something like that. Maybe the Germans did it during WWII.

[doodah]

Hi SEAM, thanks for the updates. Your post, above:


1) They are putting out crumbs to keep the suspense at a maximum level to build up to a TV Special Release (main $ backers) and,

2) What you see is what is left over after a TPTB removal.


#1 seems quite probable, given the "logic" of the world we live in -- milk it for all it's worth.

#2: How do you come to that conclusion? They're describing it as dome-shaped, that is, it humps up in the middle like a mushroom. And now we learn that there are what look like fireplaces with soot residue on that dome? It almost sounds more like a portion of land became submerged and for some reason, perhaps the structure of the rock itself, it has eroded into this somewhat circular shape.

When I said I was prepared to be amazed, I meant I would be amazed if we ever learned anything about what this is.

~ Doodah

[drizzt]

just maybe we were more advanced than what they thought and the time dating of the structure is making all time lines that has come up even older???? meaning something major happened to the earth to submerge the structure where there was no water and if that was the case then what really happen to make everyone into the stone age for us to thing they were dumb back then with sticks and stones?


questions with more questions.

[Ultima Thule]

Some new developments in the oceanexplorer.se - a news release and a email-adress from where to inquire images and videos. It never hurts to ask, so I sent an email to obtain some material, we´ll see what comes out of it.

UT

[foreverfan]

How can it be the Millenium Falcon down there when Hans Solo is still alive?

http://d3ny4pswk2x1ig.cloudfront.net/de4f78a3f15942af3d83327e4bfbf677c4b3ce5aabafef071d4858c5.jpg

[meat suit]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-fDimPKYCg&feature=g-u-u

here is what looks like a cicular lot of rocks....

[SEAM]

Facebook Page Today:

Dennis Åsberg:
This experience is like a dream, it's something very strange we've found. and this is only the beginning of something very very big, we will return to the site shortly .. but now I'm home and processing all the data we have ... We have also provided the data to the researchers .... To be continued.
14 hours ago

Dennis Åsberg
there is much that is strange ... We have one or more holes in the object ... We also have 90 degree angles .... we have not been able to take some samples because of its hardness ... but many samples are taken ... I as a person am very surprised.
13 hours ago

Dennis Åsberg
There are no high levels of radioactive materials.
2 hours ago

[Aurvandil]

In today´s issue of Expressen, a new article was published, http://www.expressen.se/nyheter/dokument/pa-havsbotten-blev-fragorna-bara-fler/

One of the more interesting facts was this (my translation, I live in Sweden):

As we stand with the boat directly above it the satellite phone stops to work, he says and falls silent for a moment.
- It's like there is a magnetic field that interferes with it. When we go away a little from it, it functions again.
When he was going to make his first dive to the site some 80 meters down, one of his lamps was broken. Then the camera began to be uncooperative and required cleaning.
- The camera did not work. Then also the other light bulb blew. There is a DV camera, so you need cassettes. When we were at 50 meters depth, on the way down, the system in the camera shut down. I had to restart it. When I finally got it started and started filming everything seemed to work, but when we got up there was nothing on the tape, he says.
All he had with him were stills from his still camera.
- It's weird, says Stefan Hogeborn.
Peter Lindberg is most puzzled over a 25 centimeter wide hole in the formation, which in itself also appears to stand on a pillar.
- There seems to be quite ordinary rocks. But it looks like something has been spilled. As magma, but it should have been torn away by the ice age, says Lindberg.

[sdv]

This story fascinates me - as humans we have a natural urge to explore and understand the mysterious and unknown?
Maybe these guys are just playing they hype to finance their personal agenda of exploration, but I hope everyone gets on board and we find out what is there!
Awesome thanks to those updating this story.

[doodah]

Posted today, June 17, on Rense -- "Pictured-The-UFO-shaped-object-the-Baltic-Sea--covered-soot-little-fireplaces-lying-end-1-000ft-runway" -- a short article and some fuzzy photos of the surface of the object.

If someone could load a few of those photos here, that would be great.

Also, one photo of a small sub that they're going to use to take wealthy tourists down to see the object. Ah... what a world. Money is such a wonderful tool for control of what we can and can't do.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2160297/Pictured-The-UFO-shaped-object-the-Baltic-Sea--covered-soot-little-fireplaces-lying-end-1-000ft-runway.html

There is a link to Gizmodo for more photos, but my computer crashed when I tried to get there so I can't post the complete link.

~ Doodah

[crosby]

'tis the times.... it seems that there is something amuk recently with computer crashing.... it is happening to me frequently.
regards, corson

[SEAM]

6/19/12:

Swedish explorers have put to rest speculation of a spaceship at the bottom of the Baltic -- but they're adding fuel to the ‘what is it’ mystery of this deep-sea object anyway.
Digital pictures FoxNews.com has obtained from the team show that the object, located beneath the waves of the Baltic between Sweden and Finland, is some sort of “natural, geological formation,” Peter Lindberg, the leader of the Ocean Explorer team, told FoxNews.com.

“It’s not obviously an alien spacecraft. It’s not made of metal,” the scientist said. Lindberg concedes that it could be an alien space ship -- if the aliens decided to make their vessels out of meteor-like rocks. “Who says they had to use metal?” he joked. “This trip has raised a lot of questions.”
For 12 days, starting on June 1, 2012, Lindberg, his partner Dennis Asberg, and other scientists and divers explored the 200-foot wide object under the Baltic that they had first discovered a year ago on sonar. Employing a robot camera, sonar and deep sea divers, this time, Lindberg and Asberg spent nearly two weeks probing the object and its environs.
Scientists are still examining the footage from the expedition, but it appears like a giant stone, “the kind divers see in keys and harbors” -- one that seems to originate from before the Ice Age, Lindberg said. The main object was not the only thing seen by the explorers. “There are other, loose stones lying around as well,” he added. “The formation of rocks is 60 meters in diameter.”
While this unidentified flying object may have been identified, and likely never flew, it still holds secrets.
'If an intelligent life form built a spaceship, why not make it out of stone or coral?'
- Peter Lindberg, the leader of the Ocean Explorer team
The odd thing about the discovery is that there is no silt on the rock, for example; it would ordinarily be covered with silt on the bottom of the sea, Lindberg said.
Even more odd for a seemingly natural formation, the main object is disc-shaped and “appears to have construction lines and boxes drawn on it,” Lindberg said. “There are also straight edges.”
The divers were limited in what they could see by their lighting technology. This gave them an illumination of only one meter at the most. Sonar was used to explore the object as well.
“The surface has cracks on it,” said Lindberg. “There is some black material in the cracks, but we don’t know what it is.”
Adding to the mystery, there appears to be a pillar which is holding up the 200 foot wide object, said Lindberg. “The pillar is eight meters high,” he added.
Divers explored the space, slowly, so as not to stir up undersea silt and interfere with digital photography. They collected stone samples from nearby the object as well as sonar images and digital images. “We’re going through the footage right now,” said Lindberg, who promised more footage for FoxNews after the team finished screening it.
“If an intelligent life form has built a spaceship, there’s the question of ‘why not make it out of stone or coral,’ he said.”
The discovery of what may or may not be the wreckage of an alien spacecraft that crash landed years ago off their sea coast has not created great anxiety in the populace of Sweden, a traditionally urbane and world weary culture. The oceanic equivalent of Roswell, N.M. is pretty much routine fare there, it seems.
“They’re taking it very cooly,” Lindberg told FoxNews.com. “If we had found actual aliens, they probably would say, ‘Oh, there are aliens down there.’"
"The Americans and the Japanese are much more excited.”


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012/06/18/swedish-scientists-reveal-findings-deep-sea-alien-hunt/#ixzz1yFEZZJIQ

[SEAM]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKadoX3rfcE&feature=player_embedded#!


China will be releasing all the data and images from the Chang'e-2 in the coming weeks and months, lets hope this is the beginning of a new era.

[doodah]

Now they're saying it's mushroom shaped, has odd unnatural angles and straight lines on the surface, is not made of metal, is not radioactive, has cracks in the surface, and sits off the seafloor on a pillar 8 meters high. They also say it's "not silted over" but the divers moved slowly over the surface so they wouldn't "stir up the silt." I guess that means it's only lightly silted over, not heavily, as they would have expected.

Well... SEAM, thanks for the thread. Let's keep posting whatever new info comes out.

~ Doodah

[PHARAOH]

Can this thread please be shut down? Immediately!!! :confused:

[Abhaya]

Can this thread please be shut down? Immediately!!! :confused:

?????????????????

[crosby]

Can this thread please be shut down? Immediately!!! :confused:


this is the second thread that i have seen this same comment on from you Pharaoh. what gives?
regards, corson

[PHARAOH]

This thread has already proven to be a distraction and false. "BROKEN"!!! Thus, it gives nothing. It's useless.

[conk]

This thread has already proven to be a distraction and false. "BROKEN"!!! Thus, it gives nothing. It's useless.Sorry, you seem to be standing all alone on this one. I think the info coming out on this subject is quite interesting, UFO or not. How can you label it false, when the investigation is ongoing?

So, the OP got a little excited with his thread title. Far from the worst offense on this board. No one forced the thread on you.

[Eagle Eye]

Can this thread please be shut down? Immediately!!! :confused:

Calm down..... this thread isn't going to hurt anyone

[dreamer]

What a troll

[freespirit]

just found this thought it funny

http://www.smosh.com/smosh-pit/articles/18-types-of-internet-trolls

[Praxis]

I believe what Pharaoh was trying to say, although with a lack of tact, was: How is that Disclosure Imminent BREAKING working out for you?
Personally I did not read most of this thread after the initial post was not a video of some Government or something giving a press conference. This is what I expected from a thread titled as this one is.
Don't use imminent unless it truly is so. BREAKING might have been appropriate, but I would not have used it unless ihad some real solid pictures of something that is fairly definitive.
I was definitely put off by the title of this thread, very REDDIT style kind of title(for those who understand what that is or can see REDDIT for what it is)
Don't use literally unless you mean literally.
Don't use imminent unless it truly is so.
This thread is not a distraction, in fact i was interested in the thing and still would like to see pictures, but the title should have been thought out.
Dont cry wolf . . .

[Cartomancer]

Let's go Graham Hancock with this object and call it the "Baltic Sea Anomaly." I am curious as to what it is either way. This is cool.

[doodah]

Agreed, Cartomancer, and the others who have not been put off by the thread title, although "Baltic Sea Anomaly" sounds pretty good.

We've all been around the "disclosure imminent" block, so to speak, to different degrees, and each person decides how much credence to put in such a headline by now. But you can't focus on gloom and doom and how TPTW are destroying the planet ALL the time - you'll be a freakin wreck. We're enjoying ourselves here.

This thread has had a small but loyal following, with no attacks or arguments. From that perspective, it's been like a breath of fresh air. It's stayed on point, presenting information as available, and I hope it will continue to do so.

Peace,
~ Doodah

[Cartomancer]

Let's see. If its not a UFO or sunken ship then what is it? It looks out of place there and is being described as a giant mushroom shape. Other descriptions say there are chimney's as well. What is really freaky is the path it seems to have left as it slid down the slope. Maybe this is something like Yonoguni possibly it was once above sea level at some point?

[watchZEITGEISTnow]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKadoX3rfcE&feature=player_embedded#!


China will be releasing all the data and images from the Chang'e-2 in the coming weeks and months, lets hope this is the beginning of a new era.

No they won't.

BTW that image is a 100% fake - it saddens me people fall for this deliberate disinfo, I have asked the poster many times to paste a link to source - he never does. It is an old image photo shopped. And I should know - I'm a Loony expert!

Now these on the other hand were all linked to source LUNAR ORBITER and are verified:
jjYRREo8LIU
cZQoo3s-NzM
FZZTnwmmOH0

and JAXA/NASA
-PciJniRblk
NUNm80Vb6sM

;)

**here is a link to download all the anomalies: http://thepiratebay.se/user/trippy123/

[drizzt]

Can this thread please be shut down? Immediately!!! :confused:
can you be moved to another thread if you are not interested?

¤=[Post Update]=¤


This thread has already proven to be a distraction and false. "BROKEN"!!! Thus, it gives nothing. It's useless.

then move on to what you are looking for.
we are not stopping you!!!

[write4change]

Simply ask Paul to change the title to the Baltic Sea Anomaly or something to that effect. He has honored such requests before. I am following this and it helps to remind me that what I am following is not this title.

[danceblackcatdance]

Peter Lindberg's update on the FB group :)

"Peter Lindberg

Hello friends, I have not written anything here in a while, can maybe be explained by the fact that I have really been out there... I will drop you some of my believes:

1. I do not believe that the circle is a wreckage of an flying craft from WWII till rescent time (or from some thousands of year back for that matter)

2. I do not believe the circle is a wreckage of any kind of known floating vessels from the past or from modern time.

3. I do not belive the cicle is a construction made by someone efter the ice age (submarine bases etc included).

4. I do belive the surface of the circle is made of mineral.

5. I do belive that the surface looks like concrete through the ROV camera but I do not belive it's made of concrete.

6. I do belive that the very strait lines and angular formations we can see on the side scan sonar image from last year really excists. The odd thing is that I thought, before this expedition that when we could get close these shapes maybe should appear not being so straight as on the side scan sonar image, in reality they are even straighter! It really looks like constructed parts on the circle.

7. I do belive it might have been volcanic activity in the area and even on (or in) the circle after the ice age, or before, but then it do not fit with what we know about the ice age.

8. I do belive that the circle "rests" on top of what looks like an pilar of rock, raising approx 8 meters above the surrounding bottom. The circle it self appears to be approx 4 meters thick. In other words, the top of the circle raises 12 meters above the surrounding bottom.

9. I do belive we must find out on the next expedition if the circle and the pilar are fixed in one piece or if they are sepparated in some way.

10. I do belive that the path, or the track, is a ridge raising slowly up from the bottom to a hight of approx 8 meters above the surrounding bottom. I also belive that the ridge is made of softer material than the pilar and the circle.

What I do not belive because I know, is the fact that we found a round hole approx 25 cm in diamater going straight into the surface of the circle, how odd is not that? How deep? No idea, we just saw it for some seconds before we decided to back off to preserv the visibility for the divers that was going down later on. They did not find the hole though. It might be some more holes, at this moment we do not know.

Well some comments on that before I continue with some more belives.

Cheers"

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so no ufo, sorry but still very interesting though... http://www.examiner.com/article/whitley-strieber-says-object-found-baltic-sea-may-be-older-than-gobekli-tepe?cid=PROD-redesign-right-next

"It looks like something that may very well have been an island in the distant past, in what was then a shallow sea. And which had been in use and then when the glaciers melted and the sea levels rose dramatically 14,000 years ago it was inundated and the remains left there could be a really, really valuable archaeological find."

&
TYQzyadWk3o

[SEAM]

Online Facebook discussion:
Peter Lindberg Regarding the "remote viewing": Yes, the last guy gives quite a spooky resembling explanation. Maybe he's right if we find any more holes
Peter Lindberg No there is no golden arches, I have explained that the "top" of the other object looks like the top of two church window arches.
Peter Lindberg More pictures will come, a still picture from the video sequence of the hole has been released to the press to day.
Peter Lindberg ?3D Multibeam sonar data take a while to process. It will not be untill end of next week we will be able to seee the first 3D images from the area. I have seen the raw data though and if what I have seen will be confirmed by the finnished result we will get some quite amazing facts to think about.
Peter Lindberg Jerry: More pictures will come, no more diver taken pictures though, not before untill next expedition. The production company is right now working with the ROV films and still pictures from them will be released.
Peter Lindberg They do not know about all we have seen with the ROV. It take some time to tape everything over to a format with which they can use, and people have their working hours. I think though that they must be like 10 persons working with this now.
Peter Lindberg Kevin: We have recovered two loose stones laying on the circle
Peter Lindberg Peder: They are doing lab tests on the stones right now. But I think we will find that they are made of quite common minerals. I believe that since there is loose stones laying on the circle the circle must be from pre-ice age. The ice has dropped the stones when it melted away.
Peter Lindberg Damian: The strange about the cloud is that it looked like a very distinct "plume" of something that catched the echo sounder beams so hard that it looked like a big rock hoovering in midwater, above the "volcano". I think we might have found something which is active in the way of like a "black smooker" or that maybe heated water is jetting out under high pressure. But this was not in the area of the circle, this volcano was found many miles away. We will certanly go back and try to find out if the "plume" just was a very densed shool of fish or something else.
Peter Lindberg The pillar is thicker than on Pauls artistic drawing, the circle might be like 1-4 meters wider than the pillar.
Peter Lindberg Adam: It might be like that, I do not know but if I must bet my money on something I would go for the possibility that the circle is of pre-ice age - age.
Peter Lindberg Yann: 99% a natural formation, unique in its kind though, and also that we have found an area in the Baltic with volcanic activity. And the last percent? Well 0.9 % that it is remains from an ancient civilisation and 0.1 % that some aliens took an asteroid and made a space craft out of it. As someone asked me: Who have decided that an alien space craft must be made of somekind of metall...?
Peter Lindberg Peder: Vi har ingen aning om hur hålet har kommit till, det är väldigt runt dock... We have no idea how the hole was created, it is very round though...
Peter Lindberg Matthew: The divers said that a "blackish" powder had attract to the camera, I did not see it my self though. An other thing is that we could not use the satelite phone when we where laying above the circle, but just some tenth of meters off postion the phone worked. i do not know why but it is a fact. Further more, the video camera's lights blow when the diver started them up on the surface when testing them before dive # 2. They decided anyway to bring the video camera with them and try to use their ordinary lights to iluminate for the video. When they decended the video camera started to showing an "error" message on the small monitor. The diver restarted the camera several times and finnaly it seamed to work. So he filmed their dive but nothing was on the tape when waching it afterwards. The only problem we had with the ROV was that we constantly had to restart the sonar. Finally it did not work and we continued with just the video camera. When we left the circle we went to a wreck and spent like 35 hour of ROV flying on the wreck and the sonar worked all the time. Magnetic disturbances, well you tell me!
Peter Lindberg Someone asked about what temperature we had down there. Well the divers thermometer showed -1 degree Celsius when they were on top of the circle, it should be +4 degree Celsius. The thermometer may have showing a wronly value of course.
Peter Lindberg The divers thermometer is a part of their dive computors, I do not know for sure how it messure the temperature. But most probably by a resistor. You know, platina has a ressitance of 100 ohms at 20 degree celsius. Many electronically thermometers messure the temperature with some kind of resistor.
Peter Lindberg I can not reveal the truth before I have all the facts. Till then everything is pure speculations, even from my side. I have not thought about if it can be hollowed, I have not even penetrated the surface yet...
Peter Lindberg Hauke: As you understand it is very much in this that points toward this not being just a "stone formation". The cracks seams not to be irregular, they seams to go vertically or horizontally. Behind them you can see a blackish collored mineral(?) with the structure of old wooden planks
Peter Lindberg We still have some months before it is too late going out to the site. But as it looks like now it will be last expedition for us. I think a real scientiffic team should take over and make a real scientiffic exepdition to the area. After all, we are just wreck hunters who's trying to find out what we a have discovered.
Peter Lindberg Patrick: God no! It must weight tremendous much, like thousands of tons
Peter Lindberg A new expedition will take place in approx three weeks.
Peter Lindberg The lines can be made by natural causes, but they looks very "man made".
22 minutes ago

Get a grip people... This thing is most likely from before the last Ice-Age, so YES... "Breaking" is relevant!... Unless you are among those who feel that if it didn't show up on your little "Picture Phones" ten minutes ago is the only thing worth watching NOW..... then find it on your own...

In other words, I'm outta here.. I don't need the agro..
I thought I was ADDING...
but, please think hard on this...
Are you Adding (STO)? or are you taking (STF)? I know that will be a huge fly-over, but needed said...... SeeYA

[danceblackcatdance]

Well, I liked the thread, thought it was quite important :) people that don't like it don't have to read it IMO...

[<8>]

Hi...

It was said in the newspapers here in sweden, that the object were magnetic..
This have perhaps already been pointed out, if so, I have now reinforced it.

[doodah]

Aw, SEAM, do not be driven away by a mouse, a gnat, one biting mosquito. We ignore those pesky things and await more news! Please continue to share.

Or, if not you, I hope others here will continue to share news as it appears. It's been very interesting to follow this story as it unfolded/ unfolds.

All the best,
~ Doodah

[WhiteFeather]

A statement made by Peter Lindberg listed below:

"You see a lot of weird stuff in this job, but during my 18 ye
ars as a professional I have never seen anything like this. The shape is completely round," Peter Lindberg, leader of The Ocean Explorer team, told the local press. The expedition's sonar also picked up what appears to be substantial seabed displacement or scarring, indicating that the disc-like object disturbed the terrain as it came to a stop. The disturbed trail measures some 900 feet long."

Initially, Lindberg said the Ocean Explorers had no plans on researching the object any further: "Since it might be nothing we can not afford spending funds just to have a look at it, even if it might be a 'new' Stonehenge standing on the bottom."

Stonehenge under water with a mini airport sea bed.

[Magnus]

In other words, I'm outta here.. I don't need the agro..
I thought I was ADDING...
but, please think hard on this...
Are you Adding (STO)? or are you taking (STF)? I know that will be a huge fly-over, but needed said...... SeeYA

SEAM, I appreciate your efforts and find it saddening that you feel like quitting on this thread!
Still, i respect your choice either way.
Thanks!

[Anchor]

I like this thread. Particularly with its new thread title.

My earlier flippant emoticon based comment on this thread was triggered by 1) the apparent and IMO unnecessary sensationalism 2) making more than one thread on the same subject by the same author. I am allowed the opinion - you can take it of leave it. However, I want to expand it:

There is no HARM in this thread at all. Investigation is one of the things that this forum is about. People calling for it to be closed are reacting immoderately IMO.

You do us a service by bringing the reports into one place for ease of access by those that want to do so.

Whenever anything new is discovered and talked about you will, and can expect to meet resistance in many forms. Most of it is ignorable.

Stick to the truth, make it clear when speculation is speculation, ignore the peanut gallery and you will be fine.

Please reconsider.

[Cartomancer]

This whole thing reminds me of the Michael Crichton novel "Sphere." An object is found on the seafloor and thought to be an alien craft..................

We know people were around from before the Ice Age. There is no one disputing that or the fact that the climate where the object is could have been warmer with a lower sea level at some point in time during an age when "modern" humans existed. This all fits Hancock's "Underworld" theories more than it does any UFO. This could have been what was once a unique natural feature that was modified or built into a building just like the Pyramids, Baalbek or any one of a large selection of ancient megalithic structures.

The 'slide' marks could be from ocean currents flowing the opposite direction it seems to be sliding from.

I think whatever it is is fascinating even if its simply a geological formation. Some of the crap we are forced to filter keeps us from what is really going on sometimes. If it not a UFO but some other type of cultural feature this is equally earth shattering and important. Don't let your interest get deflated because this is not a UFO. The only reason anyone ever said it was a UFO is because of its shape. No other evidence exists but that. All's it takes is a circular object to send us all into a tizzy.

[Magnus]

My personal translation of an article excerpt from The Swedish newspaper
'Svenska Dagbladet (http://www.svd.se/nyheter/inrikes/det-ser-ut-som-ett-tefat_7299311.svd)'
June 24th, 2012 at 16:49, Updated: June 25, 2012 at 11:06


Dennis Åsberg - "It looks like a saucer"

Wreck hunter Dennis Åsberg believed that the circular shape at the bottom of the Baltic was a meteorite. After two dives, he is doubtful: -What facts are there to render an external origin impossible? I am a question mark right through.

In the middle of the Baltic Sea, 87 meters below sea level rests the discovery - whatever it is. It was in June last year as Dennis Åsberg, with his colleague Peter Lindberg, reacted to this sonar image of the seafloor.

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Usually they look for wreckage. This was something completely different: a circle, 60 meters in diameter. Behind it appears a trail wich the entrepreneurs believe may be a sliding track.

The expedition is supported by a private financier. Two dives have been conducted so far in June, a third will take place after mid-summer.

The questions are piling up, says Dennis Åsberg.

-It sounds like science fiction, but it looks like a saucer turned upside down, with beveled edges. It's crazy.

Faced with the expeditions global fame, Åsberg leaned at the possibility that it could be a meteorite that was down there at the bottom. Now he is "terribly iffy":

-It may be a forgotten city. Or a submarine base. But what facts are there to render an external origin impossible? I have been skeptical, but the answers are running low.

Samples were taken down at the bottom. According to those samples, something about the formation has been "very, very hot."

-As a meteor or volcano, said Dennis Åsberg and goes on to reveal that the goal of the third dive is about taking samples, even from the very object.

But the object has an extremely hard surface, during the last attempt they failed to hammer off any sample material.

-We are striving to aquire the correct special equipment. What is down there is really hard and looks to be made of stone or concrete.

Martin Jakobsson is a professor of marine geology and geophysics at the University of Stockholm. He believes that human constructions can not be excluded. More likely, however, is that this is a geological formation:

-As a serious scholar it's hard to give an opinion when all you've seen is fragments. You have to see where it lies, all the basic data and a good look at it. There are many geological formations that looks exciting when they lie on the seabed. This may possibly be such a formation.

Dennis Åsberg stress that his team are closing in on the need to bring in expertise to solve the mystery.

-But what kind of expertise? I don't know. I promise you, I'm suffering from sleeping disorder.


Jenny Stiernstedt
+46 (0) 8 13 50 00
jenny.stiernstedt@svd.se

[Magnus]

My personal translation of an article excerpt from The Swedish newspaper
'Hela Gotland (http://www.helagotland.se/nyheter/artikel.aspx?articleid=7771964)'
By Kerstin Klint. Published 2012-06-25



"This has become so damn big"
Diving operations were made at the formation in the Baltic Sea

The wreck hunters, Dennis Åsberg and Peter Lindberg from Ocean X-Team has made further dives at the the site of the circular shaped formation in the Baltic Sea.

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Dennis Åsberg och Peter Lindberg runs the company Ocean X-team who is in charge of the ongoing expedition.
Photo: Oceanexplorer.se

Diving has been executed in June with the help of two divers and a robot. The mystery surrounding the formation on the ocean floor has not yielded any answers, but questions are really just becoming more and more the further the formation is being investigated, says Dennis Åsberg.

- This has become so damn big now so I do not know where it will end. We've been down there collecting samples and made visual inspection of the formations, and we are almost, even more confused now.

What did you see?

- What we saw was a round plate on the bottom with 90-degree angles, and some sort of corridors and passageways on the top. In addition, we found straight smooth walls and a large round hole of about 25-30 meters straight into the object. We have also taken samples of the carbonized material discovered.

And what are the test results of the samples?

- We know it's been really hot down there and we found something that was burned.

Is it leaning towards the possibility of an meteorite?

- At first I was convinced it was a meteorite, but now I do not know what to believe anymore. But since the object is round with walls and angles, i'm not inclined to believe that anymore.

How will you proceed from here on?

- We will soon be diving again. Earlier we were not able to release any material from the object itself as the material was too hard. But first we need to get the right tools. It's not something you are able to buy from the common hardware store.

Dennis Åsberg is still reluctant to reveal the exact position of their discovery.

- We are treasure hunters. If we expose the location, others may go there.

Dennis Åsberg and Peter Lindberg found the formation when they were out looking for wrecks.

- It was pretty funny actually. We were out looking for wrecks in the Baltic when this popped up on a sonar image. It's now exactly one year ago.

An audio interview in Swedish:

Dennis Åsberg 2012-06-25.mp3 (http://k005.kiwi6.com/hotlink/s913i0v4q9/dennis_asberg_2012_06_25.mp3)

Source: http://sverigesradio.se (http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=3864&artikel=5165652)

[crosby]

i just found this on prison planet. thought it was rather interesting. have a look:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/ufo-at-the-bottom-of-the-baltic-sea-cuts-off-electrical-equipment-when-divers-get-within-200m.html

"‘UFO’ at the bottom of the Baltic Sea ‘cuts off electrical equipment when divers get within 200m’

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EDDIE WRENN
UK Daily Mail
June 26, 2012

The divers exploring a ‘UFO-shaped’ object at the bottom of the Baltic Sea say their equipment stops working when they approach within 200m.

Professional diver Stefan Hogerborn, part of the Ocean X team which is exploring the anomaly, said some of the team’s cameras and the team’s satellite phone would refuse to work when directly above the object, and would only work once they had sailed away.

He is quoted as saying: ‘Anything electric out there – and the satellite phone as well – stopped working when we were above the object.

‘And then we got away about 200 meters and it turned on again, and when we got back over the object it didn’t work.’"

could be more than what we have been told!
warmest, corson

[jagman]

Richard Hoagland was one of the guests on last night.George and Richard were discussing
torsion physics.
He discussed the mysterious object found on the floor of the Baltic Sea, and suggested that the torsion field given off by it caused the explorers' electronic measuring gear to shut down as they moved closer to it. He also talked about a scene in the classic
"2001 a space odyssey." Richard said That in this particular scene, One of the actors
dialogue was "He is away in the baltic sea doing archaeology."......
I kind of remember this:bounce: scene but I could not find the scene on youtube?
Richard thinks it was a hidden message from Stanley Kubrick.

[Cartomancer]

Jag I don't know what to say. Hoagland rubs me the wrong way somehow. I just don't trust anyone involved in P.R. for my alternative info. I did fall asleep before Hoagland came on last night.

This anomaly is right up his alley though. We can always count on him to come up with some plausible far out stuff. I'll give him that. I think this object is very interesting and I'm anxious to find out if it fits into Graham Hancock's model for sea level change. Either way until we find out what this actually is we'll have lots of entertaining theories as to what it may be. I think a line from a movie is pretty tenuous evidence but does add some intrigue. We know it does not resemble the monolith from 2001......................but will it teach us what we need to know?

[GoodETxSG]

A link to the show would be helpful, anyone have it?

[Cartomancer]

Here's a youtube version of last nights show.

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[Cidersomerset]

This is Richard Hoaglands start segment ........

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[GoodETxSG]

Thank You Cartomancer... :cool:

[Cartomancer]

This keeps getting more interesting but caution people. The men who are documenting this are in it for the money. I'm not saying they are lying or embellishing here but they have sunk a ton of money into this project only to find that it may be a natural feature and not a UFO. Now we have Richard Hoagland jumping on the band wagon last night on Coast to Coast. Now that no large objects are in imminent danger of hitting the planet we will move on to the "Baltic Sea Anomaly." I am predicting that we are going to end up with a strange object with lots of other strange stories attached to its existence and it will be all conjecture.

Again. The "slide" marks may be from an ocean current making it appear as if it slid. If there is no current then it would be buried.

[crosby]

Cartomancer, i know that you are correct, but isn't it exciting????? i bet they would poop underwater if it turned on and started moving!!!!! wouldn't that get everybody buzzing. to see an article on aj's site regarding this anomaly caught my attention. he doesn't usually initiate ufo articles. i find it fascinating.
warmest, corson

[Cartomancer]

Cartomancer, i know that you are correct, but isn't it exciting????? i bet they would poop underwater if it turned on and started moving!!!!! wouldn't that get everybody buzzing. to see an article on aj's site regarding this anomaly caught my attention. he doesn't usually initiate ufo articles. i find it fascinating.
warmest, corson

Yes Corson, I agree. I am not trying to wee in anyone's cornflakes here. I'm just being cautious. This is the most exciting thing that has happened in a while and that's why we are seeing people like Hoagland trying to become the voice of what is going on here. I wonder if there is a "torsion field vortex" at the local Jack-in-the-Box restaurant because I can never get cell service there or make my computer work! I am seeing something more akin to what Graham Hancock would say than what Hoagland would say.

[Cidersomerset]

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Heres the sequence where she says her husband Gregor is doing some under water research in the Baltic ....but thats it !!

No mention of Archaelogy .....I like Richard but his imagination is getting the better of him.

[Cartomancer]

"Underwater research" does not equal "underwater archaeology" as stated by Hoagland.

[Cidersomerset]

I thought I read the anamoly was an submerged Island a few days ago, anyway this is from Todays
Daily Mail online 26/6/2012

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'UFO' at the bottom of the Baltic Sea 'cuts off electrical equipment when divers get within 200m'


The divers exploring a 'UFO-shaped' object at the bottom of the Baltic Sea say their equipment stops working when they approach within 200m.

Professional diver Stefan Hogerborn, part of the Ocean X team which is exploring the anomaly, said some of the team's cameras and the team's satellite phone would refuse to work when directly above the object, and would only work once they had sailed away.

He is quoted as saying: 'Anything electric out there - and the satellite phone as well - stopped working when we were above the object.

'And then we got away about 200 meters and it turned on again, and when we got back over the object it didn’t work.'

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/06/16/article-2160297-13A47DBA000005DC-930_964x513.jpg

Diver Peter Lindberg said: 'We have experienced things that I really couldn’t imagine and I have been the team's biggest skeptic regarding these different kind of theories.

'I was kind of prepared just to find a stone or cliff or outcrop or pile of mud but it was nothing like that, so for me it has been a missing experience I must say.'


Member Dennis Åsberg said: 'I am one hundred percent convinced and confident that we have found something that is very, very, very unique.

'Then if it is a meteorite or an asteroid, or a volcano, or a base from, say, a U-boat from the Cold War which has manufactured and placed there - or if it is a UFO...

'Well honestly it has to be something.'

The quotes were first reported at NDTV. The Mail Online has reached out to the Ocean X team for clarification.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/06/16/article-2160297-13A45626000005DC-95_964x528.jpg

The team did get some pictures, such as these soot-covered rocks that encircled an egg-shaped hole which went into the object at its center, and have no idea what any of it means


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/06/16/article-2160297-13A4B067000005DC-497_964x502.jpg

The object was first found in May last year, but because of a lack of funding and bad timing, they have were not able to pull a team together to see for themselves - just the strange, metallic outline, and a similar disk-shaped object about 200 metres away.

During their visit, the team saw a 985-foot trail that they described 'as a runway or a downhill path that is flattened at the seabed with the object at the end of it'.

As it was before the recent dive, the story behind the object is anyone's guess, from a 'plug to the inner world' to the Millennium Falcon ship from Star Wars.

While the Ocean Explorer team is understandably excited about their potentially earth-shattering find, others are slightly more sceptical and are questioning the accuracy of the sonar technology.

In the past, such technology has confused foreign objects with unusual- but natural - rock formations.

Part of the trouble they face, however, is that they have no way of telling what is inside the supposed cylinder- whether it is filled with gold and riches or simply aged sediment particles.

They're hoping for the former, and history seems to be in their favour.

The Baltic Sea is a treasure trove for shipwreck hunters, as an estimated 100,000 objects are thought to line the cold sea's floor.

The company have created a submarine that they hope will appeal to tourists and wannabe shipwreck hunters who will pay to take a trip down to the bottom of the Baltic Sea to see for themselves.

A further dive will take place in the coming weeks.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2164912/UFO-the-Baltic-Sea-cuts-electrical-equipment-divers-200m.html#ixzz1ywHDgtYK

[Cartomancer]

I was floored by Hoaglands reference to Coral Castle in Florida. My last book included a chapter about Coral Castle. I wonder if he has seen this video I made or read my book? His theory is very close to what I said several months ago. Not that I am accusing him of taking my idea but is amazing I am saying something very similar here and in my book. If you watch the video here I made you will see how people are responsible for all of this and not any aliens etc.

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[Cidersomerset]

Very interresting film Cartomancer and as the Teutonic Knights made Riga the center of Baltic Christianization,Which ties it to Rome and Catholism.
So as you say he came from Riga, Latvia and was a mason its plausible he was privy to some sort of masonic building secrets ? yet to be revealed.

The above map shows Riga in relation to the Baltic...

[Cartomancer]

I tried to see if the Baltic anomaly fit into any of my models but it does not. I was fortunate enough to have been recently interviewed on Red Ice Radio and Henrik brought up the fact that the Hansean League also had a large hand in the establishment of Riga (Henrik routinely knows as much or more than his guests do!). I'm guessing this is actually the same Teutonic Knights that you are referring to.

Interesting that Hoagland made a similar association using his methods. I bet he would freak out if he saw the video!

[Bingzhu]

I can tell about how its been handled over here in Europe. First they said it`s a Ju-87 Stuka planewreck. Next day it`s been a Messerschmitt Bf 110. The confusing part about it is the Ju-87 and the Bf 110 are different in their designs a lot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messerschmitt_Bf_110
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ju_87

As you see both types are very different. I doubt professional people are even nearly able to do such a mistake. I don't know more about it though,sadly.

[frances]

Very good thread, Mr Hoagland jumps on any good anomaly, as he has been quiet for a long time he wants to be in on this. It's very exciting and I hope the divers get some answers that we will hear about. Good to know that submarine has been built for tourists. They need money same as every body else does for their expeditions. I look forward to any more news.
Frances.

[conk]

From today's UK Daily: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2164912/UFO-the-Baltic-Sea-cuts-electrical-equipment-divers-200m.html

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/06/16/article-2160297-13A47DBA000005DC-930_964x513.jpg

[danceblackcatdance]

from the FB group.. nothing majorly new apart from the cool cg image based on description and sonar @ 1:20 :)

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Announcer: One year ago, a group of diving treasure hunters discovered a mysterious object on the bottom of the Baltic Sea. Media worldwide became aware of the discovery and speculated if it could be a crashed UFO or a russian under-water base. Now Rapport can show you some unique pictures from the deep.

Reporter: When the ship Ancylus returned to the site, which takes 24 hours to reach, they first sent down a submersible robot. And their impressions were that the object 80 meters down was made from concrete.

Peter: It looked just like it (concrete), we've worked with concrete before since we're professional divers. And that's what it looks like under water, the damage to the pores and things like that, and very smooth, you know.

Dennis: Yeah, after that, the divers went down. And when they got back up they looked like they'd seen a ghost, well not really, but they were... very surprised. They told us that this was like nothing they had experienced, or seen before.

Peter: And one of the divers, Stefan, who has over 6000 dives behind him, said that this is the strangest thing he had ever been involved in.

Reporter: It is very demanding to dive at a depth of 80 meters. Visibilty is bad, and 20 minutes of diving means an ascent time of 2 hours. This image is created from the divers descriptions and sonar images. The structure is 60 meters across and SVT (Sveriges Television) can today show you some unique footage from the robots camera.

Dennis: Visibility is 1,5... 1 - 1,5 meters down there, so you don't see very much. When we arrived at the object again we looked around we found this hole. It's a round hole, that goes straight into a... well if it's concrete or rock or whatever it is, it's a round hole that goes straight into it.

Reporter: It was a year ago that the treasure hunters found the mysterious formation on the bottom of the Baltic Sea and the interest from the worlds media is sustained while they prepare for their third expedition.

[Arrowwind]

George Noory on Coast to Coast had an interview about this Monday night with Richard C Hoagland, so if you subscribe to that you can look for it.

[Cidersomerset]

Hi Cartomancer you probably have seen this but It came on Justin TV while I was listening
to some old Anciant Ancestor & UFO hunter programmes...So found it on U/Tube...
All about anciant megalithic site and energy grids....

http://www.justin.tv/bob_2012#/w/3322660384/7

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[Kimberley]

*******

This is a great long article with some photos I had not seen

http://2012indyinfo.com/2012/06/27/baltic-anomaly-far-stranger-than-any-ufo-discovery-truthfall/


This is turning into one of the most amazing and perplexing discoveries in history. If you thought all of the questions surrounding the Baltic anomaly would be answered by the return trip, then you’d be wrong. The OceanX team have discovered right angles, walls with absolutely smooth surfaces and cavities-like corridors inside the object as well as something resembling a staircase – the weird just got weirder.



Now it seems that as more and more information is revealed, the mystery surrounding the object grows. The good news for everyone who is intrigued by this story is that a THIRD expedition by the team will set off in approximately two weeks – the OceanX team will be hoping to rule out some of the possible explanations and collect even more data to shed light on this most perplexing mystery.

Much love to us all!! :grouphug:

[Dennis Jonathan]

Red Ice Creations is also covering the story.

I put more value in RIR simply because they are typically more objective than most alt media, and they are based in Sweden.

Here is the link, let me know if you can't access and I'll cut and paste the article.

http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=20430

[doodah]

I heard part of Richard Hoagland being very excited about this object on C2C. He said there is a "stairway" inside the hole on the top, leading down into the interior.

That's the first I've heard anything like that. Has anybody else heard this except through Hoagland?

[Kimberley]

I heard part of Richard Hoagland being very excited about this object on C2C. He said there is a "stairway" inside the hole on the top, leading down into the interior.

That's the first I've heard anything like that. Has anybody else heard this except through Hoagland?

Yes read the article I posted above here is the link again

http://2012indyinfo.com/2012/06/27/baltic-anomaly-far-stranger-than-any-ufo-discovery-truthfall/

this is from the article...


This is turning into one of the most amazing and perplexing discoveries in history. If you thought all of the questions surrounding the Baltic anomaly would be answered by the return trip, then you’d be wrong. The OceanX team have discovered right angles, walls with absolutely smooth surfaces and cavities-like corridors inside the object as well as something resembling a staircase – the weird just got weirder.

[doodah]

Thanks for the quote, Kimberly.

I guess that was probably "typical" Hoagland. He left out the "something resembling" part and jumped right to the "stairway" part, exclaiming that there IS a stairway.

Still, this continues to be very exciting!

[Magnus]

Coast To Coast AM - Torsion Physics & Free Energy 2012-06-25 (http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2012/06/25)

Richard Hoagland enters the show @ 0:39:12 to discuss the 'Baltic Sea Anomaly'.

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Kevin Smith Show (http://www.kevinsmithshow.com) 2012-06-26 / (Swedish time 2012-06-27 04:00 AM)
Interview with Peter Lindberg (http://www.oceanexplorer.se/).

Streaming Audio (http://soundcloud.com/boris-lauxtermann/kevinsmithshow-ocean-explorer)

Download MP3 (44.7 MB) (http://k005.kiwi6.com/hotlink/012kqezd4b/kss_peter_lindberg_2012_06_26.mp3)

[doodah]

Jagman, can you somehow merge this thread with the other one that's running on the same topic? It's called "Disclosure Imminent - Breaking News: Baltic Sea Anomaly."

There is info and interesting discussion on THIS thread that those of us who've been following since the beginning wouldn't want to miss! It's so much easier if it's all in one place.

We don't want to get sidetracked by Hoagland himself, but the fact that he's jumped on it has made this topic much more visible on the internet. The story is getting a LOT more play now, especially as those new interesting details are coming out about the supposed staircase and interior corridors and what it's made of, etc. Hoagland speculates wildly about what he would like the object to be, but nobody knows yet what it really is.

~ Doodah

[ThePythonicCow]

Jagman, can you somehow merge this thread with the other one that's running on the same topic? It's called "Disclosure Imminent - Breaking News: Baltic Sea Anomaly."
Merge done :).

[doodah]

Jagman, can you somehow merge this thread with the other one that's running on the same topic? It's called "Disclosure Imminent - Breaking News: Baltic Sea Anomaly."
Merge done :).

Hi Paul,
Excuse my denseness about this, but I don't see how the C2C thread and this one have merged. Where is the discussion from the C2C thread? Am I missing something? Thanks ~ Doodah

[ThePythonicCow]

Hi Paul,
Excuse my denseness about this, but I don't see how the C2C thread and this one have merged. Where is the discussion from the C2C thread? Am I missing something? Thanks ~ Doodah

Look for the posts above with the post title of "A question about C2C last night?" -- posts number 74, 75, 76, 77, 78, 79, 83, 84, 85, 86, 87, 88, 89, 90, 94, and 101 (give or take a clerical error or two on my part.)

Now you see why I sometimes don't merge two threads actively discussing the same thing - the resulting merge tends to be confusing. I probably should have cross linked the two threads (post a link to each thread on the other, with a suggestion that the interested reader might find the other thread interesting too.)

[Magnus]

3D Sonar image of the 'Baltic sea object' from: www.truthfall.com (http://truthfall.com/baltic-anomaly-far-stranger-than-any-ufo-discovery/baltic-anomaly-room-corridor/)

http://truthfall.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/baltic-anomaly-room-corridor.jpg

"3D Sonar reveals perfectly straight lines and angles embedded into the round structure." (http://truthfall.com/baltic-anomaly-far-stranger-than-any-ufo-discovery/baltic-anomaly-room-corridor/)

Also...

From Dennis Åsberg @ 'The Ocean Explorer (http://www.facebook.com/?ref=logo#!/groups/178384865554985/)' Facebook profile:

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/s720x720/582712_10151003627674932_81433253_n.jpg

Photos and technical specs of The OceanXTeam's research vessel 'Ancylus'.
Download PDF (3.94 MB) (http://www.djurgardsvarvet.se/public/pdf/Ancylus.s.pdf) from 'Djurgårdens Shipyard'

[Cartomancer]

Though this is just a portion of the object it is hard to find such straight lines in nature although some rock does cleave naturally this way. To me just based on this photo it does look man made. I can't wait to find out what Hancock says about this one.

[Magnus]

Though this is just a portion of the object it is hard to find such straight lines in nature although some rock does cleave naturally this way. To me just based on this photo it does look man made. I can't wait to find out what Hancock says about this one.

Me too, it would be great to hear his analysis!
Hancock might be exactly the right expertise needed to drill further into this subject.

[WhiteFeather]

Richard Hoagland was one of the guests on last night.George and Richard were discussing
torsion physics.
He discussed the mysterious object found on the floor of the Baltic Sea, and suggested that the torsion field given off by it caused the explorers' electronic measuring gear to shut down as they moved closer to it. He also talked about a scene in the classic
"2001 a space odyssey." Richard said That in this particular scene, One of the actors
dialogue was "He is away in the baltic sea doing archaeology."......
I kind of remember this:bounce: scene but I could not find the scene on youtube?
Richard thinks it was a hidden message from Stanley Kubrick.

They mention the equipment failing in this video.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPzJMeyoNM0&feature=related

[Magnus]

Coast To Coast AM - Gobekli Tepe & Baltic Sea Mysteries 2012-06-28 (http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2012/06/28)

Linda Moulton Howe (http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1989)'s interview with Peter Lindberg (http://www.oceanexplorer.se) 2012-06-20
embedded @ 1:36:06

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MP3 version of the above interview with Peter Lindberg (http://www.oceanexplorer.se/).
Download MP3 (4.21 MB) (http://k005.kiwi6.com/hotlink/7hkv8lubdz/linda_moulton_howe_peter_lindberg_2012_06_20.mp3)



www.earthfiles.com
Next Expedition by Sweden Ocean Explorer X Team (http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1989)

On July 20, 2012, Peter and his Sweden Ocean Explorer X Team plan a third expedition with again both Blue View sonar and Multi Beam sonar attached to the boat. It takes special data processing to assemble all the images and make sense of them, which is being done now on the second expedition before the third exploration in July. Their goal is to produce a clear 3-dimensional image of the whole large object and perhaps a 3-D image of the second smaller object that is some distance away.

To contact Peter Lindberg and Dennis Asberg at Sweden Ocean Explorer, Stockholm:
www.oceanexplorer.se
dennis.asberg@oceanexplorer.se

[Magnus]

The Unexplained with Howard Hughes 2012-06-28 (http://theunexplained.tv/paranormal-podcasts/edition-85-baltic-sea-ufo-interview-peter-lindberg)
Interview with Peter Lindberg (http://www.oceanexplorer.se/).

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Download MP3 (21.6 MB) (http://www.theunexplained.tv/media/theunexplained-85.mp3)

Also...

Ground Zero Live with Clyde Lewis 2012-06-29 (http://www.groundzeromedia.org)
Interview with Peter Lindberg (http://www.oceanexplorer.se/).

Download MP3 (27.3 MB) (http://www.groundzeromedia.org/gzpod/download.php?filename=2012-07-02_gzlive_062912.mp3)

[Magnus]

2012-07-04

Dennis Åsberg (http://www.oceanexplorer.se/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Dennis.jpg) from the 'Ocean X Team (http://www.oceanexplorer.se/)' produces his most in depth presentation of their Baltic sea expedition so far.

They are experiencing a somewhat troublesome progress, but still the team stands strong before the task at hand.

The media hype surrounding their discovery seems to drain a certain amount of energy from their main operation.

Enjoy! (http://www.oceanexplorer.se/images/)

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Also...

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[Kimberley]

I hope everyone watches the video Magnus posted above!!! Thank you!

Much love :grouphug:

[Camilo]

How many times have we heard the same?..... Disclosure WILL NOT HAPPEN unless there is a massive landing and there is no way to deny they exist any longer.

[Cartomancer]

Here's a kind of realistic analysis of what is going on though the presenter kind of gives it a layer of cheese that is not needed. Even the objective view of it being a natural feature leaves many unanswered questions.

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[Magnus]

2012-07-09

The Ocean X Team (http://www.oceanexplorer.se/) returns to the object for further study.
Dennis Åsberg (http://www.oceanexplorer.se/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Dennis.jpg) is determined to decipher their mysterious discovery.

This video offer an insight into the composition of the team and also
some of Dennis personal thoughts about present and upcoming issues.

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[Rocky_Shorz]

2012-07-04

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at 2 seconds in on the movie right as it zooms in, freeze it...

you think the circle is big, look at the stone blocks running right to left... Monolithic stones moved around and placed one after the other like a massive airport landing strip...

maybe they found a bit of Atlantis the sunken city...

[Magnus]

at 2 seconds in on the movie right as it zooms in, freeze it...

you think the circle is big, look at the stone blocks running right to left... Monolithic stones moved around and placed one after the other like a massive airport landing strip...

maybe they found a bit of Atlantis the sunken city...

Hi!
I see what you are referring to but in my opinion this is only distortions due to the low quality of the image.

Dennis is confident that they have found something out of the ordinary and i trust his gut on this.

My own hunch is that this relates to other ancient wonders of the world, e.g yonaguni, Puma Punku, Baalbek... the list goes on.

[MiguelQ]

Do you think that TPTB will try to interferd?

[Knowrainknowrainbows!]

Thank you Magnus for posting the video and all who translated! I truly appreciate getting to know the people behind the expedition just as much as the scientific findings. Seems like a very good crew!

KRKR

[Magnus]

Do you think that TPTB will try to interferd?

If they were to interfere with the Ocean X Team at this point, then it's likely that money in some way would be their primary weapon. So far this hasn't happened, at least not from what we know based on public knowledge.

The ptb posess highly advanced satellites pointed at earth surface which are capable of, e.g. scanning and analysis beyond imagination. I don't have any reason to doubt that the ptb from their point of view consider the Baltic anomaly to be "old news".

If the ptb initially had any interest in obstructing a public discovery, this area of the sea would've been restricted by the military a long time ago.

This is only my own accumulated thoughts and i have absolutely no hard evidence to support any of it.

[Airwooz]

Stockholm - A former Swedish naval oficer and World War II expert Anders Autellus has said that sonar scans suggest that the "UFO" at the bottom of the Baltic Ocean could be part of a World War II Nazi anti-submarine device.
According to Autellus, the object could be the base of a device the Nazis developed as part of the war effort. Autellus said the Nazis built anti-submarine device using wire mesh to confuse submarine radar and lead the enemy craft to crash.
Autellus explains that the "UFO" structure could be an anchor or base of one of the German Nazi military devices for blocking British and Russian submarines in the area.

Read more: http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/328411#ixzz20rp9A38D

[SEAM]

After many weeks of pain-staking research.. I have discovered the nature of the Baltic Sea Anomaly....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-N7KOGnATgM

It's "THE HATCH"

[ProperLogic]

After many weeks of pain-staking research.. I have discovered the nature of the Baltic Sea Anomaly....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-N7KOGnATgM

It's "THE HATCH"

I'm confused.

[Salv8tion]

So after reading the entirety of this thread, I just want to ask one question--was the "top secret" line that was supposedly posted by a team member on facebook actually accurate?

[Magnus]

Update from 'Ocean X Team (http://www.oceanexplorer.se/)'

Dennis Åsberg 2012-07-25

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Peter Lindberg (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-wlBxg9Q6BzM/TyaoAKbWXgI/AAAAAAAAEmI/GjFLTRvv2Bk/s1600/PETER-LINDBERG-baltic-sea-ufo-uso-investigator-2012.jpg) 2012-07-27

“During the last expedition it was confirmed that there is a wedge formed gap between the upper part (the circle) and the lower part (foundation/pillar). However, if the two parts are completely sepparated or if the upper part and the lower part are the same object has not been clarified“.

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[Magnus]

So after reading the entirety of this thread, I just want to ask one question--was the "top secret" line that was supposedly posted by a team member on facebook actually accurate?

Only Dennis knows what he really meant by that.

Lets not forget that he's having a hard time dealing with the English language.

He mentioned at one point (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UviD52O7UHs&t=10m) that he was restrained to speak about certain things due to their contract with Titan.

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>>Original FB post<< (http://www.facebook.com/groups/178384865554985/permalink/374719419254861)

[bennycog]

just want to bump this to find out if anyone has new info ?

[Swan]

Interview from the 6th of August on RedIce Radio.

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2012/08/RIR-120805.php

[nurgle]

yeah I was wondering if anything else was found out about this. I wish they would just go down there and brush it off, touch it, poke it, investigate it, do what ever you gotta do, just find out what it is! I know they got to build up the suspence, and ride out publicty as long as possible, but man c'mon lets get this done guys! I hope it is some kinda older than old space craft, that would be wild! Too bad if it is, we probably won't be privy to the actual facts and data found at the site. Here's to hoping for the best!

[drizzt]

has anyone heard any more about this? it is like a switch was turned off on this subject?

[Dennis Jonathan]

Last I heard was From Peter Lindberg on Red Ice.

The last status update was:

1. Finishing up the documentary for hopeful release this year.
2. Trying to fund a third dive - may not happen till next year.

One interesting comment was a reference Henrik made regarding an experience Dennis shared on another show.

What made the comment interesting was how uncomfortable it made Peter to talk about it. He declined to comment.

Anyone know what Henrik was referring to?

[Carmody]

Stockholm - A former Swedish naval oficer and World War II expert Anders Autellus has said that sonar scans suggest that the "UFO" at the bottom of the Baltic Ocean could be part of a World War II Nazi anti-submarine device.
According to Autellus, the object could be the base of a device the Nazis developed as part of the war effort. Autellus said the Nazis built anti-submarine device using wire mesh to confuse submarine radar and lead the enemy craft to crash.
Autellus explains that the "UFO" structure could be an anchor or base of one of the German Nazi military devices for blocking British and Russian submarines in the area.

Read more: http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/328411#ixzz20rp9A38D

at about 60M across,and about 3-4M high, the mass is 30,000 metric tons of mass, 30,000,000 kilos, or.. 66 million pounds.

The biggest ship today can barely hold that mass. As a matter of fact, IIRC, that ship does not exist.

so, no deal, regarding it being a WWII construction of some sort. too big, too heavy, by a long shot.

Here's an image of the biggest barge today, and it can hold maybe 2.5x that mass.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/06/12/article-0-13936DB2000005DC-686_964x549.jpg

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2158305/Thats-load-ships-The-carrier-boat-hold-22-barges--oil-rig--back.html

My musing only go as far as it being the central plume or flow of a short lived volcano that started underwater, from possibly a 'straight in' (straight above) meteor or asteroid strike. MAYBE.

As for Nazi's shaping rock and then covering it or erecting above it) with wire mesh or similar that far down in WWII, with known technologies, even today..that would be a gargantuan task.

No matter how I look at it, this being some nazi ship deflector out in the middle of nowhere, is a non question, to me.

[SEAM]

Equipment Failure Deepens Mystery

According to a telephone interview with team leader Peter Lindberg, they do plan a third exploration of the site, (August 24) with more sophisticated imaging equipment. But unlike many "others," Lindberg does not think the equipment failure of this expedition had anything to do with paranormal forces or alien emanations from the object. He believes he has a very clear idea why most of his electronics failed to work when in proximity of the object, but worked fine when away from it:

"I don't have any proof of course, but I will say that I think our equipment failures had something to do with the Coast Guard boat that was around us during the entire expedition. Even though they did not hinder or crowd us, their vessel was larger and more sophisticated than most of the Coast Guard boats we typically see, and it was never more than 400 meters away from the dive site."

"It is known that electronic jamming devices exist, and that most of the world's military powers have them, so why would I think Sweden does not? Wouldn't that be a more plausible explanation for our equipment failures than saying it was alien forces? Especially since the government intruded so quickly and heavily into our first discovery of the object, including confiscating my data, but made no contact or effort to interfere with this trip to the site."

Source: http://gaanderson.hubpages.com/hub/Baltic-Sea-UFO-Unidentified-Submerged-Object-Update

News and Updates: http://thebalticanomaly.se/

[SEAM]

Swedish Diver Debunks Autellus Claim

"It is definitely not a concrete submarine net base. There is no realistic comparisons." according to Swedish diver and ocean artifact expert, and member of the Ocean X dive team, Stefan Hogeborn.

In a telephone interview with Swedish television station NTDTV, Hogeborn said it the object they found wasn't even close to what an anti-submarine anchor-base would look like.

"There are two obvious and big problems with Autellus' claim. The most obvious problem is the size of the object, it is over 60 meters across. The concrete net bases the Germans used were only 3 or 4 meters across. There is just no way our object could be considered a net anchor."

"Secondly is the location. It is in the middle of the Botnia Gulf. If the Germans were going to put up an anti-submarine net to protect their shipping lanes, they would certainly do it at the more narrow entrance to the Gulf, not in the middle were it could be easily skirted."

Hogeborn further stated that he is not saying it is a UFO. At this point all anyone knows is that it appears to be an unexplained anomaly. He also stated that a third exploration dive on the site is being scheduled for the next week, or so.

[Carmody]

Swedish Diver Debunks Autellus Claim

"It is definitely not a concrete submarine net base. There is no realistic comparisons." according to Swedish diver and ocean artifact expert, and member of the Ocean X dive team, Stefan Hogeborn.

In a telephone interview with Swedish television station NTDTV, Hogeborn said it the object they found wasn't even close to what an anti-submarine anchor-base would look like.

"There are two obvious and big problems with Autellus' claim. The most obvious problem is the size of the object, it is over 60 meters across. The concrete net bases the Germans used were only 3 or 4 meters across. There is just no way our object could be considered a net anchor."

"Secondly is the location. It is in the middle of the Botnia Gulf. If the Germans were going to put up an anti-submarine net to protect their shipping lanes, they would certainly do it at the more narrow entrance to the Gulf, not in the middle were it could be easily skirted."

Hogeborn further stated that he is not saying it is a UFO. At this point all anyone knows is that it appears to be an unexplained anomaly. He also stated that a third exploration dive on the site is being scheduled for the next week, or so.

My earlier post appears to contradict itself. No such ship exists and then I show one that exceeds that capacity. The barge can handle the mass, but only as a distributed mass, over the surface area of the barge.

Only a modern barge ship as shown above could do it...and that the mass of the object is concentrated and very likely could not be supported by such a ship, regarding carrying it, without some form of extreme force distribution, which on it's own as an apparatus, would be massive and weighty. As in nearly as heavy as the object itself. It would have to be bigger, by a considerable margin, as well, as it would be for force distribution, which means legs of a sort, under extreme bending/tensile forces, which is probably worse than that of pure tensile pressures. Thus a 'force distribution' support structure might outweigh the object itself. We are limited to the size and strength of materials we know of, not fantastical ones.

Also impossible, would be placing it in the water. No such known capacity exists.

Additionally, my mass and size estimates are at the low end, not the high end -not even the median weight and size- that the object is considered to be.

[Magnus]

2012-09-03
Dennis Åsberg has posted two new videos on youtube.
The first video obviously show some new sonar images.
In the second video Dennis gives an update on current plans, in English and Swedish.

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On 2012-09-02 Dennis posted a sonar image on FB, same image as seen below.

His comment to the image was:
"On the left side you can see a square with a hole in. ... and what do you think it is? This is in the middle of the object from above."

http://s14.postimage.org/sywjrgapt/baltic_anomaly_2012_09_03.jpg

[Magnus]

Ocean X Team has now returned to Norrtälje harbour as they had to abort their mission prematurely due to bad weather.

This was their 3:rd expedition this year, which lasted from [2012-09-09 ~ 13:00 GMT] to [2012-09-13 ~ 20:00 GMT].

It's not yet known if they had any opportunity to research the anomaly aside from the split purpose of the trip. The team is out of money and has stated that this expedition had to involve some usual wreck diving to gain income.

Among various heavy expenses, Ancylus, their ship is rather thirsty and accumulates immense fuel costs, full steam ahead consumes about 70 litres of diesel per our. A one way trip to their secret location corresponds to roughly 12 engine hours, add to that a separately fueled generator to support overall power consumption.

These guys desperately need corporate sponsorship, wich so far hasn't happened. Are the absence of sponsors a token for global corporate poverty or something else? If i had a bussiness and some extra money under my pillow, i would without a doubt latch on to Ocean X Team's publicity wonder, the best deal ever!

Update:

Dennis posted a new video on youtube 2012-09-14.
He briefly summarize the failed expedition, the dissapointment and concludes that no new expeditions can be carried out until next spring, if even then, possible at all.

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[Magnus]

The first moving pictures of the 'Baltic Sea Anomaly' produced by BlueView Sonar.

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[Magnus]

Yet another new video is released by Ocean X.
The object recorded by their ROV seem to have the appearance of an elongated skull.

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[Magnus]

http://www.oceanexplorer.se/

2013-04-09

Burned organic material on Baltic anomaly rock sample

Preliminary lab tests made by different experts at the Weizmann Institute of Science and the Institute of Archaeology in the Tel-Aviv University (Micromorphology of Archaeological Sediments and Infrared Spectroscopy) shows that a piece of basalt rock that was recovered from the circular shaped anomaly in the Baltic Sea has burned organic material on it. Further analyzes will hopefully show what kind of material it might be, and even try to date it.

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http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article16577422.ab

2013-04-10

First test results on the circle in the Baltic Sea

The circle in the Baltic Sea has eluded treasure hunters, geologists, UFO enthusiasts and marine archaeologists.

The initial results have now arrived from the analyzes of the rocks found at the formation - and they are spectacular.

- A burnt organic material have been found on them, said Dennis Åsberg who attended the discovery of the circle.

Both laymen and experts are in dispute as to what actually happened there at the bottom of the Baltic Sea, where two Swedish treasure hunters found the strange circle.

When Swedish researchers were not interested in investigating the basalt stones they picked up from the bottom, help instead came from Israel.

Offers came from Weizmann Science Institute and Institute of archaeology at Tel Aviv University, to study the stones.

Organic matter

Now the Swedish circle discoverers Dennis Åsberg and Peter Lindberg have received the first answers from Israel and published it on their website.

There they reveal that a burnt organic material have been found.

- It's pretty cool and totally crazy. There is a question mark about what the organic material found on the stone consists of, said Dennis Åsberg.

Something that surprises in the preliminary report is that the organic material is dated to be between 15 000 and 140 000 years old.

- It should not be possible at this latitude. The most recent volcanic activity or anything like it, was 150 million years ago.

Even the researchers in Israel were surprised about the discovery and requested more rocks to analyze.

- The results of the age and the biological material came out so weird that they have to redo it. They are really interested in this, and it suggests, of course that it's something interesting.

Surprised geologist

Even Fredrik Klingberg, a geologist at the Geological Survey of Sweden, finds the preliminary results remarkable.

- Organic matter of this age is possible to find in Sweden, but the heating, is however, a peculiar observation. It's hard to date organic material, but I do not understand how they can have such a spread in the results, he says to Aftonbladet.

This is something that the researchers in Israel hopes to pinpoint more precisely when examining the new samples, and they also hope to find out exactly what the organic matter consists of.

Dennis Åsberg is astonished by the weak interest from Swedish researchers.

- The stone is basalt, a volcanic rock. When we talked to the Swedish geologists, they say that it's not unusual to find basalt in the Baltic Sea. The thing is that we have not found just one rock, but an abundance of rocks, scattered specifically around this object.