ALIEN MIND: The Thought and Behavior of Extraterrestrials, 2010

[Bo Atkinson]

Would anyone care to comment on the ratios of multiversal probabilities, as compiled in George LoBuono's book?

Alien Mind The Thought and Behavior of Extraterrestrials, 2010

Free PDF download at two sites:
Authors website: http://alienmindbook.org/
Excellent interview by Randy Maugans
http://offplanetradio.com/
(Free downloads or pay for it if one can..

I'm specifically wondering about ratios of probability between his views and views of others, even your views, any random view, concerning:

especially holographic mechanics, meditation, perception, thought, building of human realities....


Or why not just pick anything from the...

Table of Contents


Signs of the Times 3
A Critical Threshold 5
How Aliens View the Universe 11
When the Cosmic-scale Meets the Micro-scale 24
How Aliens View Us 36
Interactions Between Aliens 39
Alien Communities and Hyper-dynamics 45
Large-scale Disagreements 50
A Universal Standard? 56
A Mega-Population Problem Case 58
Our Pending Merger with Andromeda 68
A More Alien-like Model of Mind 81
Hyperversals: a New Category of Aliens? 87
Extending a Universe Cycle 102
How to Locate Aliens and “See” their Energy Networks 105
Within a Hyper-Advanced Alien Community 112
Hyper-Advanced Alien Behavior 133
A Most Singular Limitation 136
A More Evolved Humility 142
A Second Depth of Awareness 144
Frustrated Aliens’ Impulses 147
Surviving the New Technologies 149
Further Dangers of Electrogravity 153
The Negative Cycle Mindscape 156
Mega-Populations 158
Eliminating the Troublemaker Gene 166
Averting an Over-reaction to Aliens 172
Crime in Alien Societies 178
The Notion of Physicality 182
A Hyper-advanced Problem Case 192
An Advanced Alien Case Study 200
A Test of Higher Mind 216
Do Aliens Sleep? 218
Are Aliens Religious? 220
Ultimate Implications 222
*How to Contend with Aliens During Direct Interactions 225
References 247



This book is interesting and i got through most of it today.... I'd need to look up some of the terms used, but i liked his multi-versal science ideas... I don't take anything like the orthodox take things, however. I like strong nourishment like stinging nettle. Men need the roots more than the tops though. Roots are hard to clean before eating. Get all that compost washed out.

The ET politics are still foreign to me. The universe-ecology gives me hope. The games played between seem a bit odd. I spent the previous winter listening to Camalot mp3s and appreciated them. Regardless that much of it was like ware housing tons of probabilities. Which might connect here or there. Read up on some sites like Delores. This last winter spent here on Avalon. More interesting stuff, with tons of possible connections. The ratios of probabilities are many. What now?

Summer 2012 has arrived, time to get paying work. It takes work to get work, on a strange world. Though i'm self- sufficient in crudely-raw basics with lots of tools, can travel. But my workshop is getting efficiently organized for local projects. It's great to build materiality, while inspired by ratios of probabilities. Build things for the cosmic-ecology!

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[eileenrose]

The ET politics are still foreign to me.

Wouldn't they all be projections (ideas)?

Might download it later...just interested in this one part (maybe someone can post it - a couple of paragraphs - here...I am using someone's elses computer right now).

"Surviving the New Technologies 149"

...oops just saw three more interesting parts (post it here???).

[Bo Atkinson]

The ET politics are still foreign to me.

Wouldn't they all be projections (ideas)?

Thanks eileenrose for your helpful question. My favorite teachers taught that interpretation is up to us. I was good at dreaming and projecting, but did badly with "standardized tests of official facts".


"Surviving the New Technologies 149"

...oops just saw three more interesting parts (post it here???).

I believe it is a superior book, but it does not number the pages: I need to find a stronger software for text. Latest Mac10.7Lion-- Here-- Edit: Lion users... Open with 'Preview' instead, it gives page numbers, unlike default ap(?) I'm thankful for this, my mac was worth it to me, in this respect.
:rolleyes:

My paraphrased recollections continue:
Human kind surviving at all is indeed an important part--:whistle:

To be found in a number of contexts. One context is similar to old-fashioned folks not readily adapting to computers. Stepped up to future advances in tech, but even advanced beyond now.... Like what is human perception? Can we transcend physicality? Can we practice cosmic ecology?
http://harmoniouspalette.com/WhatDoHaleiansThink.jpg

Do we all perceive alike?
My estimation is that many humans percieve differently.
Perhaps most people perceive linearly.:laser:
They seem not to perceive visually-geometrically, or curvilinear-ally for instance.
Or visuals are are perhaps often fixated in a set of limited contexts or scenarios.
Or stuck in time track incidents, here or there.

Some people have used telepathy... Advancement of perception would include this, except advanced degree researches comment that (some) 'aliens' communicate with humans in this way, (various terms out there). Except that such communication can include multiple dimensionality.... Going way beyond linear perception or 3d perceptions.... Visuality is requisite. Topology and advancing geometry is also 'communicated'. Can we learn such? I work at it.

Mechanisms of travel are tech forms, many things already posted here by others.... Then the responsibility of universe-ecology comes in with what is "fair-play" or "cosmic etiquette" (can't recall off hand terms the book uses). This area is important in appreciating the 'good' out there and why we need to advance our own responsibility, (especially as a civilization.... Are we?).

We might have an un-respectful name-intent by saying 'alien'
Might we instead say:
hale-ien or haleian or halean????

Hmm, we are held back from civilization by greed-mongering... 'Nuf said in other posts about that. It is one thing to indicate leadership failures, i mean corruption in every form, leadership by cults and demons, etc...

Basically humans need to progress. In order to avail of better technologies. Before that we need to practice earth-ecology in order to begin universe-ecology.... We need to advance relationships to higher levels. We need to improve on "group-mind"-- Such as cooperate on line-- Thanks to Avalon, type of thing. Feel the urge to edit or intentions?

Welcome people, add more comments or questions.... Forum guidelines tell us to limit quotes to brief passages, a paragraph or two. Add our own thoughts to that quote, conserve server space. Most important, add feeling, add heart & soul thinking. It helps our group thinking, which should help us all.

Visit LoBuono's site, quote his book from there. http://offplanetradio.com/

~wav

[eileenrose]

Well
re: "One context is similar to old-fashioned folks not readily adapting to computers. "

My senior parents and I fight over the one computer in the house. Perhaps another analogy?

...will put on thinking cap.

[Bo Atkinson]

Well
re: "One context is similar to old-fashioned folks not readily adapting to computers. "

My senior parents and I fight over the one computer in the house. Perhaps another analogy?

...will put on thinking cap.

Ah yes, there is a time and a place for everything. Patience is a form to master, darn.

Analogy: Developable techs of mind enhancements might do without pcs... telepathy?

[eileenrose]

Speaking more generally, Eva said she exceeded her old physical sense of being during experiences with aliens: “Linear time/space is contained within the greater perspective, but not vice-versa.” Abductee Karin told Mack that in alien space, “the fourth dimension”—“everything is always present,” and “three dimensional reality is included within it.” She said an “altered state of consciousness” surrounds her alien experiences, “a finer, higher vibration” within which she perceives details she normally wouldn’t. Over time, she said, the higher dimensional vibration lets you be “very aware of your soul. You’re very aware of your higher consciousness…” (p. 56, 216, Passport to the Cosmos)



ok from page 19 (I downloaded)

I'm not a big reader of books....due to my circumstances (neck injury ...so only minutes of reading time are available to me and not hours).

anyway...interesting quote. speaks for itself. sounds like author did their research.

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So, the warning begins around page 24...about scalar weapons. I, of course, am under their affects right now (smart meters are emf generators). And time speeding up...well...we are all experiencing it. I realize that some people call it ascension. One referred to it as the end of ideologies and politics. I feel that as we, as a species, ignore both arguments...the one that says these weapons will damage space/time and those that like the results (putting people close, I presume, to feeling their own pre-mature deaths...and perhaps ..waking them up....by shear pressure).... I am choosing not to decide on anything. More facts need to come up on this information (and I have read before that scalars damage our sun and hence us...so people know...they just don't want to).

excerpt:
page 26


It means that electrogravity isn't "free." It comes at a cost because it speeds the flow of time, ever so slightly shortening the life of the surrounding continuum. This means that a reckless overuse of electrogravity could conceivably shorten the life of our sun, for example.


of electrogravity (a kind of artificial gravity).

[eileenrose]

Here is the page 26 'time speeding up due to the use of EMF weapon's' quote:


What Bearden is saying, and what aliens have repeatedly confirmed in explicit communications, is that electrogravity can speed the flow of time, perhaps even allowing for a kind of fluctuation into past time (not concretely, we presume).

and the bit about scalar:


So, there are both risks and a larger kind of ecology surrounding the use of electrogravity (a kind of artificial gravity). It must be globally regulated. As Clinton’s Secretary of Defense William Cohen reported, there are international agreements on the subject,
and, as physicist Mark Comings found out in 1984 after he tested a different kind of electrogravity device in a Lawrence Berkeley lab, there has been a network of so-called “scalar electromagnetism” (electrogravity) detectors on Earth since the 1980’s, if not earlier. *If you’re new to the word “scalar,” it simply means a relationship that scales all the way across a broader spectrum, in a sense---it ranges across an entire category on a larger scale.

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I like that they are proposing, Wavy, that we start monitoring and limiting their use (scalar technologies). They are not afraid to say it (while we still are....though not on PA).

I like that one man who has a website that monitor's HAARP rings in the midwest for storms.

I guess we are braver than most of our military and scientist (who knew.... LOL). At least we already figured this one out (though I doubt anyone understands the relationship with the sun and how this entire technology is just inches away from killing lots of people).

[Bo Atkinson]

Yes eileenrose..... It's hard to wake up those engrossed in the tired illusions and linear time....

It says something interesting about human time experience potentials.... That "higher dimension-ality" provides access to broader living and experiencing timelines live??? Better recall? Or is it accessing broader or selective segments of time-flows?....


"....electrogravity isn't 'free' ... it speeds the flow of time.... a reckless overuse of electrogravity could conceivably shorten the life of our sun, for example."

So why do some beings waste life potentials?.... Perhaps at some distant point it speeds the merging of galaxies... Can we inspire epiphanies?

[sirdipswitch]

Found the book, downloaded it, interesting. Thanks wavy.

love and peace
sirdipswitch

[Bo Atkinson]

...Focused alien telepathy tends to arrive in imagery that is subtler and more complex, with softer, more airy outlines than the thought of a typical human. To the human initiate, such thoughts may seem like surpassing genius, which they are, in a sense. Telepathically communicated alien thoughts may involve a variety of new ideas and artistic-seeming details, an astounding inventiveness--sometimes even a complex kind of humor. Compared to a human, aliens thoughts seem relatively abbreviated, finely textured yet multiply-packed with information--words, graphics, a geometric kind of modeling, and a resonance with the nature surrounding you/them--all at the same time. ...

book: page 12

Oh, oh.... Would that mean authentic creativity is telepathic?...
Are my favorite inspirations . . . telepathy?

Are we conceited after all thinking we are 'original?

Just had to ask the group mind here.

Perhaps a creative can consider this concept.
After all, in broader culture we say 'inspiration'...

What is this inspiring after all?

Perhaps as creative we can complain about the word smithing alone, nothing worse.
'Telepathy' sounds like external 'control' ...

Yet it also offers reflection concerning beings within our own care, like pets...

Or beings within our very own food chain.

Beings we step upon, without one bit of concern (usually).

Products and devices we use which 'pillage' the earth through production.

On and on, what sort of reality is this?

Are we a forming fetus right now, waiting for a better birth?

[KosmicKat]

Read the book (mostly) a couple of years ago. My main recollection is of "odd" stuff happening around the same time; a momentary sense of disorientation which I hadn't felt for years.

[eileenrose]

...Focused alien telepathy tends to arrive in imagery that is subtler and more complex, with softer, more airy outlines than the thought of a typical human. To the human initiate, such thoughts may seem like surpassing genius, which they are, in a sense. Telepathically communicated alien thoughts may involve a variety of new ideas and artistic-seeming details, an astounding inventiveness--sometimes even a complex kind of humor. Compared to a human, aliens thoughts seem relatively abbreviated, finely textured yet multiply-packed with information--words, graphics, a geometric kind of modeling, and a resonance with the nature surrounding you/them--all at the same time. ...

book: page 12

Oh, oh.... Would that mean authentic creativity is telepathic?...
Are my favorite inspirations . . . telepathy?

Are we conceited after all thinking we are 'original?

Just had to ask the group mind here.

Perhaps a creative can consider this concept.
After all, in broader culture we say 'inspiration'...

What is this inspiring after all?

Perhaps as creative we can complain about the word smithing alone, nothing worse.
'Telepathy' sounds like external 'control' ...

Yet it also offers reflection concerning beings within our own care, like pets...

Or beings within our very own food chain.

Beings we step upon, without one bit of concern (usually).

Products and devices we use which 'pillage' the earth through production.

On and on, what sort of reality is this?

Are we a forming fetus right now, waiting for a better birth?

I do have some feeling for this. As when I receive information, telepathically/remotely...however it is occurring (I like to call them downloads)...they are of a fine subtle energy...and you have to be grounded in presence in order to fully receive them. It just takes a mini-second of distraction and the information isn't fully received. That being said....the download comes in picture form. And the picture has layers of information imbedded. Make sense? .....and I have sent information, a few times, usually ...(I'd rather not say the why)...and 'packet' form (condensed) is the best way. Not an idea. Not a thought. But a entire 'picture' of something....with all the nuisances thrown in. Only done it twice (that I recall).

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And the downloads are usually gifts. Hard to explain.

[Bo Atkinson]

...Focused alien telepathy tends to arrive in imagery that is subtler and more complex, with softer, more airy outlines ....... thoughts may involve a variety of new ideas and artistic-seeming details, an astounding inventiveness--sometimes even a complex kind of humor. .......and a resonance with the nature surrounding you/them--all at the same time. ...

book: page 12

Oh, oh.... Would that mean authentic creativity is telepathic?...


............ That being said....the download comes in picture form. And the picture has layers of information imbedded. Make sense? .....and I have sent information, a few times, usually .... Hard to explain.

This seems to make sense... per pg 12... This stuff caught me un-expectant at first. I like that pg 12 context. My own inspirations are more natural to me, but do require the right frames of mind. Life presents so many distractions throughout, but these 'inspirational' insights, downloads, what ever name of the changing fashions.... May or may not deserve the same definition.

I'm happy to individualize each and every experience. It would seem nicer to share these thoughts. Or are these indeed telepathic segments.... Yet our world systems wants to manipulate everything which proves 'interesting'.... Own it and bleed it for monopolies. So instead, the independent mind has to 'shelve' good thoughts. or post tid bits on Avalon. One has to interest a feudal lord, before materializing inspired downloads.

http://harmoniouspalette.com/myrrhisDome.jpg
The larger universe seems to have scarcity-paradigms-issues: This book has a section on ETs named Verdants, who are among the most numerous. Or is it just a planet-greedy race... At first, the Latin connotation of 'green' suggested "ecologically responsible".... But NO! Soon the glutinous illuminati trait was seen, pillaging other galaxies, to support their own gluttonous home planet. (Even light centuries away) Indeed having contact and deals made with the bad-guy-nazis on our dear earth... Yet those connections do seem frail, in contrast to more sentient ETs... Wise ETs who seem to inspire "universe ecology" .... I have to listen a little more to this book's second half.

The strange urge to manifest extensive ownership, piles of human possessions, does seem related to models of elitism. Models our current regimes has in fact inspired: The big tempting lures of commerce, the carrot and the stick was an olde metaphor.

http://harmoniouspalette.com/AntOpenningPeony.jpg
The concept of unity does not sublimate me into a mind-singularity. Rather it champions a common, freedom loving ideal. A cooperation among self sovereigns, to collectively harmonize.

[Bo Atkinson]

Many subjects merge and twine in a multiversal fabric. Sitting down to write a list evades me. So the thought of searching for the word love seemed interesting, Love & Loving ... A remarkable set of passages came up. Each perhaps could evoke plenty of thought.




From: Alien Mind The Thought and Behavior of Extraterrestrials, 2010

pg13
RE: Roswell Crash Victims: “you can hear, either verbally or mentally, what they are saying, but as an interfacer you feel what they feel (i.e. sadness, happiness, fear, anger, hate, love, sorrow).” (Above Top Secret posting, Je ’08)

pg 46
Nonsexuals rarely pose a population risk to the larger universal ecology--for one simple reason. They can plan and control their numbers in proportion to their needs and resources. Meanwhile, what normally determines the amount of sexual procreation? Impulses, a sense of loneliness, biological urges and, in some cases, a lingering fear of external threats, a need for protection. Sometimes, of course, there's a prescient kind of love for that future little cutie.

Love, to a good alien, is a larger, more general kind of social inter-relationship,
a humble search for meaning. In its most intelligent, universal form it’s an abiding openness, a truly inspired desire to both feel for and help any and all other beings in ways that resonate with all other minds, within safe limits. It deliberately reaches into the most painful depths of suffering to collectively lift the affected toward a more advanced yet transparent kind of understanding. Such aliens accept even “sex-positive” humans who can see through themselves and behave responsibly.


pg152-153
As airman Charles Hall wrote in his first book, a Tall White alien doctor was astounded to learn that humans actually feel love. Apparently, the Tall White doctor was told otherwise. In other words, the IFSP may have provided Tall Whites with anti-human dogma that makes it easier for Tall Whites to kill troublesome humans, as Hall and other witnesses say they have. In a 2007 interview, Hall said a Tall White female asked him, “Do you understand that we love our children more than humans love their children?” (Hall quote from Sweeps Fox show 11-07)


pg176
Although human growth in utero allows the fetus to feel a mother’s love and emotion, an alien version of gestation may condition the fetus to avoid anger and hostility.

Among non-sexual aliens, babies aren’t the parents’ personal progeny. They are cloned.........
.............

The same attitudes may apply to life in utero, also. While in utero, humans float in a mother’s loving darkness, while abductees report having seen human and alien hybrids immersed in transparent, fabricated containers for most of the gestation period. Using psychotronic technology, aliens like those of the IFSP probably begin to psychologically condition embryos during gestation. In other words, the normal human antescedant of sleep—dark immersion in the womb—scarcely exists for some aliens.

Instead, they reportedly float in transparent containers placed in softly lit rooms. They can be conditioned with psychotronic, mind-activating technology before birth. As soon as their eyes form while floating in nutrient fluids, they may begin to see the external environment. To humans, that would seem less loving and personal, yet for aliens it may allow for a more intelligent social identity and could tend to prevent a sense of elite identity (within a given population, but not between populations). Although human growth in utero allows the fetus to feel a mother’s love and emotion, an alien version of gestation may condition the fetus to avoid anger and hostility.

p180
We’re left to wonder whether there was ever a beginning to the universe. (....Snip: Multiverse manifestation issues...) The main ideas and themes of mind would know no species bounds, nor would love, sensitivity and beauty.

That fading quality lets mature, peaceful mindform move through, and fade around, the crude forms of human or e.t. offenders. That much is easy because mind can be in more than one place at a given time (or sum of times). Ultimately, existence wouldn’t even be individual. Some beings could decide that they want to fade into and become the back-ground thought basis for life yet to come. It’s always there, despite the illusion that it’s not.





This acronym still evades me: IFSP

[Bo Atkinson]

Collectivism:

Listening again to the book through mp3 over garden work today, this concept of collectivism threaded throughout.

That advanced aliens upheld collectivism over human manifestations of independence or nationalism...

My understanding possibly needs more effort here. Excess use of the word "I" , in normal human speech, diminishes alien inter-communication with humans. Somehow, our lack of collectivism makes us inferior, somehow? Primitive?

I almost, somehow agree, in terms of unnecessary human conflicts. Yet we need to distinguish how we feel individually--So it seems. We need to interface with each other. Match up for comparison of our attributes. See if we will become friends or not. See if we can do some business or share something.

Otherwise, what is left in human life?

Love? Back to the excerpts of LOVE above. Such as: "a humble search for meaning. In its most intelligent, universal form it’s an abiding openness, a truly inspired desire to both feel for and help any and all other beings in ways that resonate with all other minds, within safe limits"

Stranger still, is that during my 20s-50s, the authorities kept raving that collectivism was communism. That this was unpatriotic. Except, when questioned, these people never would engage in deeper meanings. They would just invalidate anyone discussing collectivism.

They seemed to hate "a humble search for meaning".

Also this should be added: Most of the book describes "negative aliens", with shorter parts on "positive aliens".... Perhaps as a wake-up-call, for humans to beware of their own peril. (Due to corruption of the power possessing humans). Both negatives and positives seemed to prefer collectives.

[TraineeHuman]

I have had various and I guess many very vivid telepathic experiences with alien and other beings. When I say telepathic, these usually haven’t just involved words but also very clear and precise pictures – much more lifelike than watching a 3D movie or large screen television. On the one hand it’s very refreshing to come across somebody who doesn’t include any fear porn or blind paranoia in his view of ETs.

On the other hand, there are just so many major points where I don’t agree with Mr Le Buono at all. The problem is, everybody’s experience – his and mine – is just partial, and it’s warped by the experiencer’s personal history and their individual perception of reality as a whole. I find I have had very little experience at all of overtly hostile or negative aliens, for instance. Even most (though not quite all) of the Reptoids I’ve encountered have been very positive and extremely intelligent and caring and helpful. One seems to perceive (that’s seems to) whatever one is consciously or unconsciously looking for. If one sees the world and life as fundamentally – in an ultimate sense -- not being a problem, like I do, then that’s what one gets. That’s got nothing to do with a Polyanna outlook on life. (Because it just happens to be the case that those who can see the negative things best are the ones who don’t deny their reality; yet, paradoxically, those who see reality as full of problems at very turn aren’t nearly as capable of looking the problems squarely in the face.)

Just one example of where I disagree with Le Buono is with regard to what sort of being is capable of being hostile. Although I don’t agree with 100% of what James Horal says, I believe he is extremely insightful in what he says about the split mind/consciousness. This is relevant here because my understanding is that the only kinds of beings who are capable of acting deliberately in a negative or “evil” way ever are beings with a split consciousness, or else beings who are completely robotic (and therefore lack consciousness except of a primitive sort).

Unfortunately, most people don’t seem to understand what the split consciousness really implies. I guess psychotherapists and some psychologists will understand. That’s because the two biggest defense mechanisms people use all the time are denial and projection. Denial is simply a flat-out refusal to accept reality. It’s bald-faced lying to yourself. Unfortunately, everybody does it. Trouble is, it sends you into a pretend space, where you no longer let yourself be aware of anything that would confirm or provide evidence for what you have denied. Similarly, projection involves also denying that you have a certain weakness or fault and lying to yourself that some other person /people is/are the (only) one(s) who have that problem.

The hostile branch of the Reptoids who are apparently here must necessarily have a split consciousness rather like our own. It just isn’t possible to be nasty and mean without having the split.

[eileenrose]

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[Bo Atkinson]

I feel a little compelled to delete my posts too, many times. Delete my failings at community effort.... The perfectionist tugging the rope away from the fool who pulls at meanings, (and laughs at some implications of meanings with ambiguous contexts).

For decades my expressions have seemed "tastefully imperfect". I work hard to assure some level of taste and was blessed with a little instruction there. Yet human leadership was full of infinite-empire-economics, wars, double-speak, etc... All for-us to rise from!... Rise up and shine! Shine yet so short of ... Dare i say it, the divine? Something had to be wrong, with human models of the divine.

My flare then, went into artist modalities, ones which seemed kinder (and gentler). Culturally studied, many artists balanced far apart. Exploring for contrasts, the double-speak extremes. These were my new models to try, (contrasts like disciplines and diversity).

TraineeHuman, let me agree with you. I'm sort of an ET neophyte: Because of the horrible press given ETs, even culturally, add to that- media dead air. Internet studies of ETs, at first look, indeed seemed negative, freakish like fear porn. Faulty monopolistic-suppression of human-evolvement, distracts us everywhere. Humans are in peril of loosing their ecology:
http://harmoniouspalette.com/ComfryMildewToday.jpg

Avalon here does bear contrasting viewpoints from all sides. Less noticed "ET" views are easily under rated, due to common suspicions. The book: Thiaoouba Prophecy is one example which presents the universe-ecology issue, in a way, in story form. Why can't Avalonians discuss this concepts it presents? (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44893-Message-for-Humanity-2012-Light-Channels-World-Movement&p=489589&highlight=Thiaoouba#post489589) Why can't we discuss it's presentation of spiritual-evolvement?

On the other hand my life provided rich experiences, which could not conventionally be explained. Such as insights, inspirations, visions and some extra-human interactions... Yet the dictionaries offered no ET suggestions or any labels, of any meaningful kind. (Rather, "just get back in your little boxes".)

This book gives me a sounding board, for my lifetime search of meaning.

The book fabric reels off tons of dynamic assertions. Said to quote, especially, ET. Pertinent, also, is my continuing discovery of books-on-mp3, media on mp3 (so to speak). I can finally absorb more meanings, from multiple sources. Fact is i lived a rurally-isolated life style, most of my adult years. Which furthermore disconnected me from paid-for-media.

More notably still, was my disinterest in raster-scanning,which we normally called "book reading". I loved sitting still, but my eyes dislike scanning linear lines of text. Geometry of light and life was far more interesting and enriching, (by comparison). The internet is affordable and finally my wife is finding it useful for her floral (plant) research. (She has not been much interested in my complex palette of multiversal , multi science, multi spiritual, multi-disciplines, all these decades-- But she tolerated it).

The possibility of two way visual-textual communications, breaks the historical empire-manipulation. Even the latin roots, which imprinted the boot on our verbal-conscious interior.

Back to the word 'community'... I searched the book's text for the word 'unity'.

Almost all instances of this word 'unity' appear inside the word 'community'!

Can we suppose that ET can indeed manifest an act of unity, rather than just theorize it?

[Bo Atkinson]

Multi Versal Dynamics In Terms of The Electric Universe?

Many corresponding thoughts came to mind, when hearing about electrogravitics, in this book. I never spent much time studying electrogravitics per se. But did love many assorted books and web links out there.

Concurrently, i'm testing formZ beta 7... The latest update has cleared up some past modeling bugs. Here is a model which kept crashing previously. Thanks to forms developers!


http://harmoniouspalette.com/multiversal-toroid4b.gif

I have a number of old pages on the web, which have been updated over the years. (http://harmoniouspalette.com/concentrSpirSphereFlats.html) To document this challenged effort.

[Bo Atkinson]

This post seems fairly prescient and relevant to me. I will be writing more about what is called here, psychotronics... My regrets, i cannot spend more time polishing these posts. I have to get back outside, lots of commitments there.


Mac Dictionary: psychotronics |ˌsīkəˈträniks|
a particular branch of parapsychology that supposes an energy or force to emanate from living organisms and affect matter.
ORIGIN 1970s: from psycho-, on the pattern of electronics .


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Re: Alien Mind The Thought and Behavior of Extraterrestrials, 2010
Pg 193: "Using psychotronic energy shells, remote voicing is easy to effect. An alien of the sort can set the energy shells so that his or her remarks resonate out in the second shell, which makes it seem as though the alien’s remarks all come toward you from your surrounding environment. Comments can be set so that you “hear” them (telepathically) only when an external noise level occurs in your environment. In other words, you “hear” a remark when a bird chirps or a noise arises near you. That simultaneous overlap can make a naif think that it’s almost godly, surely a higher order of mind. Sometimes, there’s a kind of gravity filter in such cases. For example, a corrupt (i.e.“three ellipticals” subculture) alien’s remarks will register only in resonance and sounds that come from the lower elevations of your immediate environment (beneath the level of your cerebrum), while a more advanced, attending alien can resonate from higher up--in relation to your head. This is partly due to the fact that like humans, an alien’s low-order, dishonest impulses stem from lower brain physiology (down toward the spine). Dishonesty is more physical in that sense. Your best guide for distinguishing between aliens is their character: non-offensive vs. exploitative aliens like Verdants and parts of the “three ellipticals” subculture. *Remote voicing shouldn’t be confused with a reported phenomenon known as synchronicity, which is a possible bending back of time into, and through itself."

(MacDictionary- cerebrum---Anatomy: the principal and most anterior part of the brain in vertebrates, located in the front area of the skull)


I have been taking a few key notes today, listening, once again. It's usually hard to carry writing materials, so, it seemed best to do this here and now . My OSX10.7/Intel Core i5 does strange things, so please let me know if something in this complex book comes through wrong here.

:rolleyes:

Unpolished & tastefully imperfect,
~wavydome

[OnyxKnight]

Even most (though not quite all) of the Reptoids I’ve encountered have been very positive and extremely intelligent and caring and helpful.

True, bad reputation exists, and undermines the work of those who are positive, and there are quite a few out there.


Although I don’t agree with 100% of what James Horal says, I believe he is extremely insightful in what he says about the split mind/consciousness. This is relevant here because my understanding is that the only kinds of beings who are capable of acting deliberately in a negative or “evil” way ever are beings with a split consciousness, or else beings who are completely robotic (and therefore lack consciousness except of a primitive sort).

Unfortunately, most people don’t seem to understand what the split consciousness really implies. I guess psychotherapists and some psychologists will understand. That’s because the two biggest defense mechanisms people use all the time are denial and projection. Denial is simply a flat-out refusal to accept reality. It’s bald-faced lying to yourself. Unfortunately, everybody does it. Trouble is, it sends you into a pretend space, where you no longer let yourself be aware of anything that would confirm or provide evidence for what you have denied. Similarly, projection involves also denying that you have a certain weakness or fault and lying to yourself that some other person /people is/are the (only) one(s) who have that problem.

The hostile branch of the Reptoids who are apparently here must necessarily have a split consciousness rather like our own. It just isn’t possible to be nasty and mean without having the split.

Not really.

There are many of the "Grey" and "Reptoid" type that live in collectives, yet are negative and repressive in their behavior with most others.

And those that are positive, and have individualism, a split consciousness, like ourselves.


This acronym still evades me: IFSP

I'm familiar with an advanced conglomerate of cultures from star systems in Ursa Minor, that have been termed by our contact cases as Interstellar Federation of Sovereign Planets. Its possible the author was referring to the same thing but tried to create an acronym (IFSP) so he does not use the full designation each time there is a need to mention them.

I'm not even surprised they would indoctrinate other cultures of humans being flawed, dangerous, immature and senseless.

[Bo Atkinson]

True, bad reputation exists, and undermines the work of those who are positive, and there are quite a few out there.


Unfortunately, most people don’t seem to understand what the split consciousness really implies. .....
That’s because the two biggest defense mechanisms people use all the time are denial and projection. ........

The hostile branch of the Reptoids who are apparently here must necessarily have a split consciousness rather like our own. It just isn’t possible to be nasty and mean without having the split.
Not really.

There are many of the "Grey" and "Reptoid" type that live in collectives, yet are negative and repressive in their behavior with most others.


I have used this term: 'compartmentalization', (while not expecting this is better terminology, perhaps my expression is less effective)....

The loyalty and love within human-personality has me deeply interested and concerned. Humans pride and placate themselves, through claims like idealized-love, "life is sacred", "human rights" and assorted other things. Dare we analyze this? Humans also vary in love-inception through rearing: Only-child, first-born, middling, youngest, orphan statuses which affect everything called human. Not to mention all the other generalized-influences, of complex life factors.

By contrast, this alien-collective reality fascinates me in the dispositions it provides (each) alien collective (specifically). Indeed, it makes sense that a collective can overcome, certain-particular problems of individualized, potential distortions of "human love". Throughout all the many ways, in which 'love' is manifested, in human cultures.

Nevertheless, it does not appear to me that either system 'bests' the other system. Or that collectives or individualists will-necessarily manifest better love. Rather it appears to me that these two distinctive systems actually need to communicate about the manifestation of love. We may well have very much to learn from each other.

I want to get on with this. Instead of being held back in the shadows of primitive ages.

[Maunagarjana]

I'm familiar with an advanced conglomerate of cultures from star systems in Ursa Minor, that have been termed by our contact cases as Interstellar Federation of Sovereign Planets. Its possible the author was referring to the same thing but tried to create an acronym (IFSP) so he does not use the full designation each time there is a need to mention them.

I'm not even surprised they would indoctrinate other cultures of humans being flawed, dangerous, immature and senseless.

That's interesting, what you say about the group from Ursa Minor. I would like to read more about them, especially if they may have propagandistic intentions towards Earth. However, LoBuono says the IFSP is the *Intergalactic* Federation of Sovereign Planets. He speaks of the Verdants as being a member of the IFSP and speculates that they come from the galaxy M-83/Messier 83 galaxy. I find it hard to believe that a race that is capable of intergalactic travel would be as immature as the portrait LoBuono paints of them in his book. I did a quick search of the PDF and here's one thing LoBuono says in the book:


Incidentally, the galaxy M83 matches the size and location that Phillip Krapf describes as the Verdant home. M83 is a large spiral galaxy located in the Centaurus A galaxy group. A few alien sources have suggested that M83 is, in fact, the Verdant home galaxy. In addition, one highly detailed map was communicated to indicate Verdant outposts in other galaxies. In the map, communicated by an alien more evolved than Verdants who monitors the situation here closely, Verdant IFSP outposts are concentrated in the Centaurus A galaxy group, primarily centering on the galaxy M83 but fingering into other galaxies of Centaurus A.

If I’m not mistaken, Verdants are not the most numerous population in the other two large spirals of their home galaxy group. Instead, other native populations are more numerous. Verdant outposts finger lightly into the Sculptor galaxy group and slightly into our Andromeda-Milky Way group, which borders on the Virgo supercluster of galaxies. Apparently, the native populations of these two galaxy groups are dominant here, not Verdants. All three galaxy groups are small groups that each contain 3-6 large galaxies and a few dozen smaller irregular or elliptical galaxies

BTW, I read most of the "Alien Mind" book last year (I didn't finish it completely because it starts getting really repetitive towards the end.)

[OnyxKnight]

I'm familiar with an advanced conglomerate of cultures from star systems in Ursa Minor, that have been termed by our contact cases as Interstellar Federation of Sovereign Planets. Its possible the author was referring to the same thing but tried to create an acronym (IFSP) so he does not use the full designation each time there is a need to mention them.

I'm not even surprised they would indoctrinate other cultures of humans being flawed, dangerous, immature and senseless.

That's interesting, what you say about the group from Ursa Minor. I would like to read more about them, especially if they may have propagandistic intentions towards Earth. However, LoBuono says the IFSP is the *Intergalactic* Federation of Sovereign Planets. He speaks of the Verdants as being a member of the IFSP and speculates that they come from the galaxy M-83/Messier 83 galaxy. I find it hard to believe that a race that is capable of intergalactic travel would be as immature as the portrait LoBuono paints of them in his book. I did a quick search of the PDF and here's one thing LoBuono says in the book:


Incidentally, the galaxy M83 matches the size and location that Phillip Krapf describes as the Verdant home. M83 is a large spiral galaxy located in the Centaurus A galaxy group. A few alien sources have suggested that M83 is, in fact, the Verdant home galaxy. In addition, one highly detailed map was communicated to indicate Verdant outposts in other galaxies. In the map, communicated by an alien more evolved than Verdants who monitors the situation here closely, Verdant IFSP outposts are concentrated in the Centaurus A galaxy group, primarily centering on the galaxy M83 but fingering into other galaxies of Centaurus A.

If I’m not mistaken, Verdants are not the most numerous population in the other two large spirals of their home galaxy group. Instead, other native populations are more numerous. Verdant outposts finger lightly into the Sculptor galaxy group and slightly into our Andromeda-Milky Way group, which borders on the Virgo supercluster of galaxies. Apparently, the native populations of these two galaxy groups are dominant here, not Verdants. All three galaxy groups are small groups that each contain 3-6 large galaxies and a few dozen smaller irregular or elliptical galaxies

BTW, I read most of the "Alien Mind" book last year (I didn't finish it completely because it starts getting really repetitive towards the end.)

Yes. I don't have the particular notes with me at the moment, but I should get them soon. The main "negative" groups, are centered around star systems in the constellations Draco (The Draco Imperial Expansion), Orion (The Orion Group ), Ursa Major (The original point of origin of the Kondrashkin and their Group), and Ursa Minor (The Interstellar Federation of Sovereign Planets).

I say main as there are other, more less active groups, that are not major "players" in this "scenario" that has engulfed us, along with almost two dozen worlds in our local corner of the galaxy - There is a group from a star system located in the Perseus constellation, a renegade group from Alpha Centauri (that currently function as part of another group, located in a star system in Vela constellation - the most likely culprits of the Pleiadian stuff), and another two small groups located in systems around constellations Cancer and Hydra.

That is not to say there aren't any positive civilizations existing in systems located in these constellations. Simply, constellations are 3 dimensional, and span thousands of light years in distance, and some even hundreds of thousands of light years distant, especially if the way we view the constellations, they lay towards the other, opposite end of the galaxy.

Its just that the more interested groups do operations here, others either don't know about us yet, can't know about us (too far away), or have been asked not to interfere anywhere near as close as Earth. There could be various reasons.

As for the Verdants - I know they fit the 'Grey' archetype slightly, having a similar body, but their heads are not that big and their skin is green, and seemingly, have a very advanced autotroph body system. It doesn't mean that a culture that has reached another galaxy, should behave in a certain way. We have a lot of qualities, and many, many faults too. Many of the cultures trying to help in certain ways here have been confused at first, as we can be so contrasting, and leave them such different impressions.

Also, my personal opinion, based on how the most advanced civilizations travel here, its possible the Verdants followed a major, intergalactic wormhole to some planetary system in Ursa Minor, where they eventually joined the K-Group (who funny enough, are also green skinned, most of them). Its been done by more benevolent, but very highly advanced civilizations, who, despite being capable of faster than light travel, use wormholes as better alternatives to that, especially when it comes to reaching the other end of the galaxy, or other galaxies, like Andromeda and Triangulum. FTL travel is efficient enough for an advanced civilization, but they (like many other, who are maybe not that advanced), are aware there are certain obstacles in reaching certain points in our own galaxy, traveling that way. There's too much to explain about these obstacles, I'll need another thread about it, and God knows I barely keep up (practically don't) with the threads already opened by me, for personal reasons.

Sorry for the big post too :/

[Mark]

...Focused alien telepathy tends to arrive in imagery that is subtler and more complex, with softer, more airy outlines than the thought of a typical human. To the human initiate, such thoughts may seem like surpassing genius, which they are, in a sense. Telepathically communicated alien thoughts may involve a variety of new ideas and artistic-seeming details, an astounding inventiveness--sometimes even a complex kind of humor. Compared to a human, aliens thoughts seem relatively abbreviated, finely textured yet multiply-packed with information--words, graphics, a geometric kind of modeling, and a resonance with the nature surrounding you/them--all at the same time. ...

book: page 12

Oh, oh.... Would that mean authentic creativity is telepathic?...
Are my favorite inspirations . . . telepathy?

Are we conceited after all thinking we are 'original?

Just had to ask the group mind here.

Thanks for letting me know about this thread in that other thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46455-Understanding-Cosmic-Geography-Beyond-New-Age-mythology&p=514458#post514458).

I read the book some months ago but have a copy that I reference every now and again. A few things:

1) why don't we hear about the Verdants elsewhere.
2) why don`t we hear about surivors from previous Universes elsewhere.
3) why don`t we hear about these groups meeting with aliens more often.

In regard to the quote above: in an infinite creation there are infinite timelines and infinite universes. Initial conditions being unequal, all possibilities are actually potentialities. Therefore, if we can imagine it, somewhere, somewhen, it is true.

[Bo Atkinson]

(lost the quote boxes)

Thanks Rahkyt,

My guess RE your Qs has been:
1) We have heard a variety of assertions, about larger, more able invaders of human destiny. I won't try to list one's i read about, not instantaneously. Perhaps in context to other things, if this thread continues.
2) Personally, i wonder too, conceptually speaking. It would sure feel great to be reunited, like in a sic-fi or star trek advent, finding we belonged together with some long lost soul families, now back together again.
3)I've dreamed (or was it meditation), the "who am i" thing and got quite the reverb feedback, the mirror mirroring mirror images and self set between them... I've also wondered if these notions actually float around, to be picked up by intrigued minds. As if this world was an amusement park, for a higher plane.

I had wondered if more discussion of the imaginative-experiential kind, would ever come forth on Avalon. More constructive thoughts and feelings which are honestly no less valid than all the hyped up authoritarianism, sold cheap, by tin-horn-dictates of the unreal paradigms.

[Maunagarjana]

...Focused alien telepathy tends to arrive in imagery that is subtler and more complex, with softer, more airy outlines than the thought of a typical human. To the human initiate, such thoughts may seem like surpassing genius, which they are, in a sense. Telepathically communicated alien thoughts may involve a variety of new ideas and artistic-seeming details, an astounding inventiveness--sometimes even a complex kind of humor. Compared to a human, aliens thoughts seem relatively abbreviated, finely textured yet multiply-packed with information--words, graphics, a geometric kind of modeling, and a resonance with the nature surrounding you/them--all at the same time. ...

book: page 12

Oh, oh.... Would that mean authentic creativity is telepathic?...
Are my favorite inspirations . . . telepathy?

Are we conceited after all thinking we are 'original?

Just had to ask the group mind here.

Thanks for letting me know about this thread in that other thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46455-Understanding-Cosmic-Geography-Beyond-New-Age-mythology&p=514458#post514458).

I read the book some months ago but have a copy that I reference every now and again. A few things:

1) why don't we hear about the Verdants elsewhere.
2) why don`t we hear about surivors from previous Universes elsewhere.
3) why don`t we hear about these groups meeting with aliens more often.

In regard to the quote above: in an infinite creation there are infinite timelines and infinite universes. Initial conditions being unequal, all possibilities are actually potentialities. Therefore, if we can imagine it, somewhere, somewhen, it is true.

Hi Rahkyt, those are good questions. I don't know the answers, but I will direct you to what Onyxknight wrote briefly about the Verdants in his "My ET Contact Experiences" thread, which I found interesting.



I have one more question. Have you heard about Verdants?

I have seen them under a different label in one of the databanks Kresimir had. He did say some may know them as "Verdants". So yes. Botanical, green, very cunning little buggers.

They are not allowed to do what they do in our galaxy though. I think most of the ETs already "smelled" their intentions.

What I take from that (and the comments Onyxknight made above) is that the Verdants are not major players here on Earth, like Krapf and LoBuono have suggested. Perhaps at one time they had a desire to be and made contingency plans should opportunities arise, but maybe those days have passed. So they would probably not get much mention.

[Bo Atkinson]

...(snip)....

Personally, my take differs, from the attitude that high-tech attainment of a society automatically implies a high spiritual development. Infinity might allow for many 'experimental' suppositions. Preferable in my own suppositions is that earthlings are being trained in the something comparable to a zoo. As beings somewhat safely caged apart from other beings, but with some interchanges between species allowed.

At some point, will the caged species evolve in abilities? If so, then in which abilities? This seems to be the better attitude IMHO.

Meanwhile, others within our cage will rattle it or spread dissonant rumors. To act as if a revolution should occur or some challenge should overcome something, all in lock step unison. So it goes with freewill. It provides some opportunity for others among us to individualize. To creatively- invent, if we have minds so enabled. To devise and also to promote new and better cages or pools or ideal-parks. In which to elevate the things which a species can envision or actually do.

Perhaps even to elevate tired-out collective civilizations, who have extremely hi-tech mechanisms for their lives. Yet lack that very creative spark. The spark of inspiring higher harmonies through evolving hearts.

w

[OnyxKnight]

...(snip)....

Personally, my take differs, from the attitude that high-tech attainment of a society automatically implies a high spiritual development. Infinity might allow for many 'experimental' suppositions. Preferable in my own suppositions is that earthlings are being trained in the something comparable to a zoo.

I would see it less of a "cage in a zoo", and more of a "conservation program" and a "national park" :)

[Bo Atkinson]

I joined the local conservation-commision, but little was accomplished
and for undisclosable, social reasons, it closed down.
So now that is how i began to think it more of a zoo. What do i know ;)

[Mark]

seems like we've got a menagerie going on here anyway, some lil green dudes with attitudes would probably fit in quite nicely, but if there is some level of protection afforded by other galactic forces that is keeping them out, that's something. It's a lot better than thinking the planet is totally unprotected and that absolutely all aliens are evil and have our worst interests at heart.

i'm not sure if i agree about that high tech high spiritual evolution thing.

seems to me the highest tech is in the mind. so the most advanced form of travel thru the cosmos would be by mental teleportation or through the mind with perhaps a projection of the body on the planet traveled to.

external technology, gigantic ships, huge hive-like cities, all are resource-heavy. that means it's a consumptive civilization. meaning it must go from planet to planet to get more resources.

that's what we do. it's not in synch with the natural world here and i doubt it would be out in the cosmos either.

[OnyxKnight]

seems like we've got a menagerie going on here anyway, some lil green dudes with attitudes would probably fit in quite nicely, but if there is some level of protection afforded by other galactic forces that is keeping them out, that's something. It's a lot better than thinking the planet is totally unprotected and that absolutely all aliens are evil and have our worst interests at heart.

i'm not sure if i agree about that high tech high spiritual evolution thing.

seems to me the highest tech is in the mind. so the most advanced form of travel thru the cosmos would be by mental teleportation or through the mind with perhaps a projection of the body on the planet traveled to.

external technology, gigantic ships, huge hive-like cities, all are resource-heavy. that means it's a consumptive civilization. meaning it must go from planet to planet to get more resources.

that's what we do. it's not in synch with the natural world here and i doubt it would be out in the cosmos either.

The way civilizations (the "good" ones) spread, is not exponentially proportional, but slow (unless there is some kind of need for it), and they gather resources mostly from asteroids and cometary bodies (who are often rich in organic compounds too), or planets that have no life on them, or there is life, but they found a way to do what they do so it does not interfere with the ecosystem. A lot more responsible then what we may do (or are doing) in future.

More advanced civilizations just take energy and matter from near black holes, or just use it from white holes.

In terms of protection, yes, but then again, the four antagonist groups that are here, would probably look like people with bad attitude, and the Draconians, like the local bullies, compared to some things that are out there, and we have no idea about (and better that we don't, I say). So what they do here is damage control, and trying to tame a few wild and loose horses.

Most of their focus is on the things that are more dangerous, and we don't know. Since there hasn't been a leak on them anywhere, that should be good news. It means all those things are kept at bay, in fair distance from us. For now anyway.

We are just a bit unlucky to be in a bad corner of the galaxy, but we are doing good so far IMO.

[Bo Atkinson]

http://harmoniouspalette.com/goodcheerroundtable.jpg

May we all including the ETs be well, with ecology evolvement meant well.

[bekrah]

Hey I just wanted to say thanks for sharing this, if nothing else it's a really interesting read so far. I'll check back in when I've finished it. :)

[Mark]

The way civilizations (the "good" ones) spread, is not exponentially proportional, but slow (unless there is some kind of need for it), and they gather resources mostly from asteroids and cometary bodies (who are often rich in organic compounds too), or planets that have no life on them, or there is life, but they found a way to do what they do so it does not interfere with the ecosystem. A lot more responsible then what we may do (or are doing) in future.

More advanced civilizations just take energy and matter from near black holes, or just use it from white holes.

In terms of protection, yes, but then again, the four antagonist groups that are here, would probably look like people with bad attitude, and the Draconians, like the local bullies, compared to some things that are out there, and we have no idea about (and better that we don't, I say). So what they do here is damage control, and trying to tame a few wild and loose horses.

Most of their focus is on the things that are more dangerous, and we don't know. Since there hasn't been a leak on them anywhere, that should be good news. It means all those things are kept at bay, in fair distance from us. For now anyway.

We are just a bit unlucky to be in a bad corner of the galaxy, but we are doing good so far IMO.

Great description, OK, certainly puts it all into perspective. If what's out there is much worse than what's here I hesitate to even attempt to imagine what that means.

[georgelobuono]

Hi, this is George LoBuono, the author of that (free) book, and I'm truly impressed to see the civility and politeness on this board.

As for how Verdants can be so domineering, I should point out that over time, some alien populations have grown large and have either developed or have partly copied advanced technology. The problem is threefold: 1. Large, overgrown populations encounter resistance to their drastically disproportionate take of resources, so, in order to justify themselves, internally, their propaganda begins to either whitewash their harsh domineering manipulation of younger populations, or they simply portray us as dangerous primitives. Both routes de-humanize us, allowing them to commit real crimes. 2. What populations wants to be colonized by an overgrown, Orwellian alien group from another galaxy? Few, if none. From my (new) in progress book, After Contact and Conflict with Extraterrestrials:

"Millions of years ago, when gravity pulled a small galaxy into the Verdant home galaxy, Verdants watched the small galaxy’s refugees move into star systems thousands of light years from the Verdant home planet. Reportedly worried about the growth of two competitor populations, Verdants decided to end their painstakingly achieved but brief cloned reproduction phase.89 See Alien Mind. They switched back to sexual reproduction, including the sometimes more violent, territorial behavior of sexuality. A Verdant told Phillip Krapf that it cost them a measure of intellect.90 A Verdant also told Krapf that Verdants returned to sexual parenting because it was more fulfilling. However, after Verdants were genetically engineered to be less emotional, the cold and sometimes ruthless tasks of Verdant expansion and colonization may have been a bigger factor in the Verdant return to sexuality. Soon, Verdants increased in number and began to want more planets, more resources and yet more exotic travels.

"Other worlds surely criticized the decision because, in part, Verdants were using a minor galaxy merger as an excuse to expand and take more planets. Millions of years later, Verdants had spread out to inhabit thousands of star systems, including a sprinkling of colonies in surrounding galaxies.91 In order to make a place for themselves where they went, they recruited young, often naive populations into their network.

"In all likelihood, the first problem they encountered was resistance. Young, evolving populations wanted Verdant technology but probably didn’t want to permit Verdant bases in star systems surrounding their own planets. So, Verdants abducted thousands of the younger aliens and stole their reproductive materials to make hybrids, then used the hybrids to infiltrate young planets and steer them into the Verdant fold. Sometimes it worked, but there was always a crisis when a young planet discovered the plan. To avoid the hatred and reaction that occurred upon discovery, Verdants used lesser, subordinate aliens to do their abductions.

"That way, when the scheme was discovered, target planets would resent the subordinates, not Verdants. To confuse the peoples of target planets, Verdants shuffled subordinate hybrids like cards, hoping that target planets wouldn’t sort out the details, but target planets often saw through the ploy. So, at some point, in order to get their way during the latter stages of their interventions Verdants began to sabotage the internal order of target planets and sowed conflict among them to make them desperate so that they’d see Verdants as saviors. It was a heinous, criminal scheme. For example, as a Verdant told Krapf while he was onboard their ship, in one case Verdants infiltrated some 10,000 of their operatives onto a planet, allowing them to become “heads of military units, key scientists, government leaders, and chief executives of industrial complexes, including armament manufacturers. Through sabotage, subterfuge, misdirection, persuasion over great masses of the host populations, and careful manipulation of government policy,” Verdants achieved their ends on the given planet. The Challenge of Contact, p. 76-77 As a result of such manipulations, Verdant society grew more corrupt and self-centered--in an evolved yet insular alien way. When they compared themselves to less advanced target planets, Verdants felt better about the damage they’d done. Although Verdants had better science and technology, they were becoming coldly distant in ways that they hadn’t expected. In order to keep their empire intact, they probably censored ugly details out of their news in order to frustrate political movements that might call for an end to further colonization. Still, in the best minds it was obvious that their empire had grown too large and acquisitive.

"Although Milky Way aliens have cautioned some humans about Verdant activity here, most people don’t know about aliens, just yet, which has allowed Verdants further time.92"

(end of quote) Finally, 3. old aliens like Verdants have probably been genetically engineered to be less emotional, hence they feel less empathy. And, after hundreds or thousands of years of harsh, sometimes destructive colonizing routines, they become numb if not insensitive. They don't feel for victims of their policies.

[Chris Gilbert]

Glad to see you posting George! :)

I suspect that the question will come up of whether information on the Grays/Verdants is fear/scarcity-based in nature. Speaking as someone who has experimented with the sensing technique George described in Alien Mind, I can happily say that the vast majority of ET groups feel far more loving and refined than most on Earth, and they DO live in shared abundance (though still with some technical and cultural limitations). Groups like the Grays/Verdants are very much the exception among societies that have achieved FE usage, and even then their flaws are more passive-aggressive in nature, as opposed to the more overt evil in human corporations and government.

[Chris Gilbert]

When investigating not only this, but also other facets of the illnesses plaguing our world (along with the wide expanses of the universe, when you need to recharge your spirit) practicing some form of mental stillness and expansion is key. I've experimented with various means of attaining such, two of which are some of the techniques from the late Franz Bardon's system Initiation into Hermetics, along with Taoist Neikung and Kundalini Yoga.

One thing I should note, don't expect anything mind blowing right from the getgo, initial experiences with subtle senses may be quite vague. As with all things though, practice makes perfect. :)

[Bo Atkinson]

Hi, this is George LoBuono, the author of that (free) book, and I'm truly impressed to see the civility and politeness on this board.

As for how Verdants can be so domineering, I should point out that over time, some alien populations have grown large and have either developed or have partly copied advanced technology. The problem is threefold: 1. Large, overgrown populations encounter resistance to their drastically disproportionate take of resources, so, in order to justify themselves, internally, their propaganda begins to either whitewash their harsh domineering manipulation of younger populations, or they simply portray us as dangerous primitives. Both routes de-humanize us, allowing them to commit real crimes. 2. What populations wants to be colonized by an overgrown, Orwellian alien group from another galaxy? Few, if none. From my (new) in progress book, After Contact and Conflict with Extraterrestrials:

"Millions of years ago, when gravity pulled a small galaxy into the Verdant home galaxy, Verdants watched the small galaxy’s refugees move into star systems thousands of light years from the Verdant home planet. Reportedly worried about the growth of two competitor populations, Verdants decided to end their painstakingly achieved but brief cloned reproduction phase.89 See Alien Mind. They switched back to sexual reproduction, including the sometimes more violent, territorial behavior of sexuality. A Verdant told Phillip Krapf that it cost them a measure of intellect.90 A Verdant also told Krapf that Verdants returned to sexual parenting because it was more fulfilling. However, after Verdants were genetically engineered to be less emotional, the cold and sometimes ruthless tasks of Verdant expansion and colonization may have been a bigger factor in the Verdant return to sexuality. Soon, Verdants increased in number and began to want more planets, more resources and yet more exotic travels.

"Other worlds surely criticized the decision because, in part, Verdants were using a minor galaxy merger as an excuse to expand and take more planets. Millions of years later, Verdants had spread out to inhabit thousands of star systems, including a sprinkling of colonies in surrounding galaxies.91 In order to make a place for themselves where they went, they recruited young, often naive populations into their network.

"In all likelihood, the first problem they encountered was resistance. Young, evolving populations wanted Verdant technology but probably didn’t want to permit Verdant bases in star systems surrounding their own planets. So, Verdants abducted thousands of the younger aliens and stole their reproductive materials to make hybrids, then used the hybrids to infiltrate young planets and steer them into the Verdant fold. Sometimes it worked, but there was always a crisis when a young planet discovered the plan. To avoid the hatred and reaction that occurred upon discovery, Verdants used lesser, subordinate aliens to do their abductions.

"That way, when the scheme was discovered, target planets would resent the subordinates, not Verdants. To confuse the peoples of target planets, Verdants shuffled subordinate hybrids like cards, hoping that target planets wouldn’t sort out the details, but target planets often saw through the ploy. So, at some point, in order to get their way during the latter stages of their interventions Verdants began to sabotage the internal order of target planets and sowed conflict among them to make them desperate so that they’d see Verdants as saviors. It was a heinous, criminal scheme. For example, as a Verdant told Krapf while he was onboard their ship, in one case Verdants infiltrated some 10,000 of their operatives onto a planet, allowing them to become “heads of military units, key scientists, government leaders, and chief executives of industrial complexes, including armament manufacturers. Through sabotage, subterfuge, misdirection, persuasion over great masses of the host populations, and careful manipulation of government policy,” Verdants achieved their ends on the given planet. The Challenge of Contact, p. 76-77 As a result of such manipulations, Verdant society grew more corrupt and self-centered--in an evolved yet insular alien way. When they compared themselves to less advanced target planets, Verdants felt better about the damage they’d done. Although Verdants had better science and technology, they were becoming coldly distant in ways that they hadn’t expected. In order to keep their empire intact, they probably censored ugly details out of their news in order to frustrate political movements that might call for an end to further colonization. Still, in the best minds it was obvious that their empire had grown too large and acquisitive.

"Although Milky Way aliens have cautioned some humans about Verdant activity here, most people don’t know about aliens, just yet, which has allowed Verdants further time.92"

(end of quote) Finally, 3. old aliens like Verdants have probably been genetically engineered to be less emotional, hence they feel less empathy. And, after hundreds or thousands of years of harsh, sometimes destructive colonizing routines, they become numb if not insensitive. They don't feel for victims of their policies.

George, Welcome to Avalon, if i may say so. (Though i'm just a fly on the wall here. With two many tangential interests to maintain extended dialogs.) Your book of this thread seems to integrate some basic science along with the '"warning! aliens are highjacking earth!" message. I especially appreciate an integrative-scientific-approach. I do look forward to your new book. Thanks for your views and your generous efforts.

This alien-anarchy message has been in sci-fi for a long time. As sort of a polar aspect for consideration, contrasting the innocent belief in an addressable God to immediately save our present self into eternity, (somehow). So i have wondered: Is humanity served by individualized messages using individualized alien-terminologies? I'm a proponent of individualism and could imagine it does serve well. Then let specific message-formats speak to the attracted readers, who will read through a book.

I also believe that metaphor is the basis for most human of all understandings. Thereby metaphor skews awarenesses, as well. I almost wonder if human over-indulgence in metaphor also holds down humans. In that rote-education results in a collectivist style of awareness. A collectivist-ploy to subjugate individualistic pursuits, (pursuits of higher knowledge or happiness of a better kind).

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[Bo Atkinson]

Glad to see you posting George! :)

I suspect that the question will come up of whether information on the Grays/Verdants is fear/scarcity-based in nature. Speaking as someone who has experimented with the sensing technique George described in Alien Mind, I can happily say that the vast majority of ET groups feel far more loving and refined than most on Earth, and they DO live in shared abundance (though still with some technical and cultural limitations). Groups like the Grays/Verdants are very much the exception among societies that have achieved FE usage, and even then their flaws are more passive-aggressive in nature, as opposed to the more overt evil in human corporations and government.

Welcome to the forum Enishi. I appreciate your comments too. Yes, George did offer a fine tool for independent thinkers who are curious about 'contact'... Although i'd have to admit to not having focussed on it per se. It does meld well with other notions i've gleaned in rural life, communing with wild life. A sort of non-use of "the line of sight", as a communication channel. Rather be open to a wider band of communal presence and exchange, with focal points inside the mind sphere. I try doing something similar in talking with nature. Even getting a dragon fly to let me free them from inside my greenhouse. The other flies present philosophic dialogs for me. How do we harmonize with a house fly or a blue bottle fly? I actually want to work out arrangements with these creatures. Whereby we can both benefit. Perhaps this is somewhat similar to integrating with the friendly-universe.

[Chris Gilbert]

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[Bill Ryan]

Kerry Cassidy and I interviewed George LoBuono back in 2006, soon after Camelot was launched. Kerry already knew him, but I'd never met him before.

He was several orders of magnitude more than fascinating. It was like talking to an Intergalactic Historian. :) But we never published the interview, as we discovered when we got back to edit it we had some kind of serious quality technical problem that was just insuperable. If I remember right, we had the audio (and probably still have it!), but the video itself was ruined.

For various logistical reasons, we never redid it, which we should have done. George got busy, and so did we, and after that we were then a long distance apart, and always at that time flew to do live in-the-same-room interviews.

I really should check in my dozen or more archive disks if we indeed do have the audio. It might be a tiny bit like a just-discovered Beatles jamming tape that no-one ever released. :)

[Chris Gilbert]

Lobuono's book, particularly the section on toh shi, was one of the initial influences that contributed to my current understanding on this subject. While I'm highly skeptical of my own inner viewing experiences, I did have some results with it.

Without going too much into detail, I do believe George hit a rough patch in his life a couple years back, and I don't find him as coherent as he used to be (I see his facebook posts regularly). It definitely doesn't change the quality of his initial writing though.