Christ, the Matrix films, and the politics of separation.

[music]

When we realise that we (all of us) are one, and that “one” is God, then we step into our own power and cannot be controlled. This is where the politics of separation comes in.

The message of the Christ Consciousness, for example, which I recognise within myself, has been corrupted to further the politics of separation. In organised religion, Christ is portrayed as a supernatural being possessed of powers and attributes that we (as mere mortals) can never hope to achieve. The true message of the Christ (WE ARE ONE, WE ARE GOD) encourages empowerment, and the excising of this from Christian dogma began with Paul the misogynistic Roman, and continued through to the First Council of Nicosia (300 AD), and beyond to the present day. We are told that Christ is THE ONE, and we only reach heaven through him, but to me (and many others who personally experience Christ Consciousness) this is ridiculous. We do not need a mediator to the divine, because the divine is WITHIN US.

Everybody entertains the idea that they are THE ONE. That most famous of Illuminati films, The Matrix (and sequels) firmly reinforces the idea that there is one person (and one only) who holds the key to our very souls. Once we accept this idea, we are doomed forever to labour within the desert of separation. Unity consciousness is not possible when we entertain ideas centred around THE ONE, whether or not we believe that this “one” is ourselves. This is the same line of thought which sees nations turning to father-figure dictators, and which sees the abused habitually seeking out the abuser to form relationships with.

One Love and Unity.

[ThresholdRising]

Giving every object, sound, etc, you see individually the same label whether it be love, light or any word so that everything you percieve is this one label, helps with this perception.

Thanks for the great post.

[RedeZra]

We do not need a mediator to the divine, because the divine is WITHIN US.



i beg to differ

there is nothing Divine with or within a human being


as a species we are destroying our planet and each other

living a lie and believing we are above accountability

because somehow seven billion non Divine beings make up Divinity


God must have been mocked long enough

what patience how long suffering

Mercy

[ThresholdRising]

We do not need a mediator to the divine, because the divine is WITHIN US.



i beg to differ

there is nothing Divine with or within a human being


as a species we are destroying our planet and each other

living a lie and believing we are above accountability

because somehow seven billion non Divine beings make up Divinity


God must have been mocked long enough

what patience how long suffering

Mercy

Isn't matter and energy devine? And since matter and energy are devine and we are matter and energy, doesn't that make us devine?

[RedeZra]

Isn't matter and energy devine? And since matter and energy are devine and we are matter and energy, doesn't that make us devine?


i'm afraid not

matter and energy are just creations

whereas God the Creator is Spirit

[Godiam]

OMG!!!! RedeZra, Why do you keep pushing an outdated DOGMA that seriously belongs in the DARK AGES???

Hell and Damnation are control mechanisms for the unthinking sheeple that still believe their religious leaders are the end authority on all things pertaining to moral behavior!

We actually live in the 21st century now and the LESSER God that controls religious dogma is no longer relevant to any free thinking individual, and it doesn't matter how much you go on about humans being apart from god....... The fact remains Humans are A PART OF GOD, therefore we are ALL ONE WITH THE DIVINE!!!!

HUGS...........Godiam

[Peace of Mind]

The minute we're born we are dying...
yet, we grow,
Learning thru free will...
always striving to know.

Life is the school of all schools,
Filled with endless lessions and blessings.
We are the Magnificent Insignificant,
we fail when we're stressing.

The christ consciousnes,
God is within...
but if conditioned to sin
its hard to win.

With great power comes great responsibility,
the secret is humility....
for unlocking more abilities.

But metaphorically,
like all Scriptures...
meant to paint a picture...
but often overlooked
because now the language is richer....
making us confused blind and bitter,
finger pointers and quitters....
proudly cowardly
blindly self hate admitters.

Divided...
yet survivors and conquerors.
how can a species so intelligent be so bonkers.
The sleppling giant,
The gullible Gulliver....
can only strenghen thru alliance...
true meaning of lovers.

Discover whats undercover my sisters and brothers.
We are the second coming,
born thru the suffer.

Awakening,
the feeling of rebirth....
rise of the phynix....
but the pain comes first.

Now dust off the ashes....
rise and shine.
Let there be light....
now is your time.

Peace

[Kindred]

i'm afraid not

matter and energy are just creations

whereas God the Creator is Spirit

And WE are - Each - a Part of That Spirit... and that Spirit resides Within Us...

Therefore, We Are Divine
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Jesus said: - "Let not him who seeketh cease from seeking until he hath found: -

. . . And when he hath found, he shall be amazed -

. . . And when he hath been amazed, he shall reign -

. . . And when he shall reign, he shall have rest.

. . . The kingdom of heaven is within you and whosoever shall know himself shall find it.

. . . Strive therefore, to know yourselves and ye shall know that you are in The City of God, and ye are The City."

citation: http://www.christianscience.org/Jesus2John.html
another: http://www.endtime.org/standard/vol9no1.html (about 1/2 way down the page)

I'll also suggest reading Thiaoouba Prophecy
free pdf: http://www.lanuovaumanita.net/files/tp-typeset.pdf
(Quote John 8:23: “And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.”)

In Unity, Peace and Love

[RedeZra]

i'm afraid not

matter and energy are just creations

whereas God the Creator is Spirit

And WE are - Each - a Part of That Spirit... and that Spirit resides Within Us...

Therefore, We Are Divine
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Jesus said: - "Let not him who seeketh cease from seeking until he hath found: -

. . . And when he hath found, he shall be amazed -

. . . And when he hath been amazed, he shall reign -

. . . And when he shall reign, he shall have rest.

. . . The kingdom of heaven is within you and whosoever shall know himself shall find it.




i'm sorry

Access Denied


a human being must be born again

to enter eternal life in Heaven


Jesus answered, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. - John 3:5


acceptance of the Sacrifice of Christ and the trust in Jesus and the obedience to His commands

will invite the Holy spirit of God to dwell within

and make one born again


able to squeeze through the eye of the needle

which is the gate to the Kingdom of God



make no mistake about it

Heaven is not a given and not even earned


it is time to question ourselves

why we run after gods or idols

when it was Jesus who was slain for our sins

[heyokah]

i'm sorry

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Help!
I was raised without any religion, without obedience and commands.
Instead there was much love and compassion and a lot of common sense.

Am I going to burn in hell now, RedeZra ?

[RedeZra]

i'm sorry

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Help!
I was raised without any religion, without obedience and commands.
Instead there was much love and compassion and a lot of common sense.

Am I going to burn in hell now, RedeZra ?


i hope not

do you love God and treat everyone with charity and compassion

and not into killing stealing lying cheating


then there is no reason to burn

[heyokah]

i'm sorry

Access Denied





Help!
I was raised without any religion, without obedience and commands.
Instead there was much love and compassion and a lot of common sense.

Am I going to burn in hell now, RedeZra ?


i hope not

do you love God and treat everyone with charity and compassion

and not into killing stealing lying cheating


then there is no reason to burn


So I don't HAVE to be IN CHRIST.....

Thank God

Thank RedeZra

[RedeZra]

So I don't HAVE to be IN CHRIST.....

Thank God

Thank RedeZra


there is perhaps a problem when feeling embarrassed by association with Jesus Christ

as it is He who sends the Holy spirit to guide and guard us

[Lifebringer]

Beautiful and poeticly spoken like my Son in GA. Rap can be a message of awakening to the bs around you and uniting for humanity to make the changes humans need in the world. It doesn't all have to be about the feeling inside a physical body during sex.

LOVE YA MESSAGE. KEEP ON KEEPING ON!

[ghostrider]

The kingdom of God is within you. You have what you need inside you. The infinite soul. It will guide you into what you are looking for. A still small voice.

[Maia Gabrial]

i beg to differ

there is nothing Divine with or within a human being


Aren't you judging...?

[Kindred]

i'm sorry

Access Denied


a human being must be born again

to enter eternal life in Heaven


I don't think you, or anyone here on Earth can enforce that statement...

In fact, I find much of what you state as rather 'elitist'. Also, this whole 'denial' bit seems somewhat Evil - at the very minimum, quite negative...

And I don't think God/Source/Spirit is 'negative' in any way, shape, or form, much less 'evil'.

I will also point out that much of the 'bible' has been re-written and interpreted so as to fit the needs of the 'controllers' , i.e.; Pope, priests, and other clergy, specifically for maintaining their control over the masses via the suggestion of 'sin', and other means by which to make the populace feel subordinate to these authority figures. To suggest that 'God' would be unforgiving, spiteful and vengeful is not at all 'god-like', IMHO.

I'll offer this portion of a chapter in Thiaoouba Prophecy to further support my original assertion. This portion of the narrative is a quotation from Thao in the process of teaching Michel the origin of Jesus...
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“There is a passage in your Bible that says: “It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter Paradise”

The Vatican is certainly the wealthiest church on your planet, and yet the priests have made vows of poverty. They have no fear of being damned, (yet they believe in damnation), because they say it is the Church which is rich, not them. This is really just a play on words since they make up the Church. It’s like the son of a multi-billionaire claiming that he is not rich – only his father is.

The Church has not distorted the passage in the Bible relating to wealth. They have used it to their advantage, for isn’t it preferable that the rich grow poorer at the profit of the Church?

The young generations on Earth are in the process of self-examination. They have come to a turning point - events have led them to it and I know that they feel alone, more than any younger generation has before them. It isn’t by joining sects or religious groups that they are going to be free of their solitude.

First, if you want to ‘elevate’ yourself, you must meditate and then concentrate, which is different, although often the two are confused. You do not need to go to a special place, for the greatest and most beautiful temple of man is Inside himself. There, he can enter into communication with his Higher-self, by concentration; asking his higher self to help him surmount his Earthly, material difficulties, and they can meet together for this purpose. Those of them who are more experienced, will be able to give advice, but no one should ever adopt a position as master.

The Master came 2000 years ago – or, rather, I should say ‘one of the masters’, but men crucified him. However, for approximately 300 of your years, the message he brought with him was followed. After that, it was distorted and now, on Earth, you have returned to a point that is worse than that of 2000 years ago.

The young generation of whom I have just spoken, are rising up on your planet and realizing, little by little, the truth of many of the things I have been talking about. But they must learn to look inside themselves for their answers. They should not wait for help to come to them from elsewhere, or they will be disappointed.”
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Now, some will dismiss this book as 'science fiction'... this determination must be made individually, for All have Free Will. Just the same, nothing written in this book can be disproved, and it speaks of many truths throughout.

In Unity, Peace and Love
for God IS Love

(What I can say - for myself - is that I Know 'Thiaoouba' is the Truth. There is a reason for this understanding, which I will withhold for the present.)

I'll also offer this link to the Light Channels presentation of May 7th... at about 40min's in, is a direct admonishment as to the 'true' nature of God/Source/Spirit.. that of Absolute Love where No One is 'left behind'... for That is the nature of a True Loving God...
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44893-Message-for-Humanity-2012-Light-Channels-World-Movement&p=504238#post504238

[observer]

[....snip]

a human being must be born again

to enter eternal life in Heaven


Jesus answered, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. - John 3:5

[....snip]



Dear Brother Red,

Here, we again find you trolling the threads, selling your tickets to a failed bridge.

How many times must you be shown the evidence that the entire book you promote as the "Word of God" is nothing more than a creation of an empire bent on perpetuating itself through the enslavement of the mind. The entire message of Yeshua ben Joseph was corrupted with the creation of the Bible. In every case, the words of Yeshua have been contaminated by agents of the Holy Roman Empire.

The concept of being "born again" was known to the Essene Nazarenes as what most of us, on this forum, know as reincarnation. Only after many lives.... in many incarnations.... can one gain the knowledge and understanding necessary to make one worthy to enter the "Kingdom of Heaven", i.e. ascend to higher dimensions of existence.

Yeshua ben Joseph was one of many avatars who was filled with the Christ Consciousness, i.e. Christened, or Christos in the Greek. His message was: anyone could become filled with the Holy Spirit simply by doing what Yeshua taught.

It was the work of the Roman Empire that turned the words of Yeshua into a Trinity Religion and made the ascension to Heaven a service only the Church could provide. This heretical act has been the foundational cause for the past two thousand years of the most obscene pain and suffering inflicted on the Mass of Humanity.

.... and, you continue to promote this hypocrisy as the Word of God !!!

My suggestion to you would be to go back to your Bible Thread and spend some time reviewing the evidence that has been presented to you regarding this issue in that thread.

[Patrikas]

[....snip]

a human being must be born again

to enter eternal life in Heaven


Jesus answered, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. - John 3:5

[....snip]



Dear Brother Red,

Here, we again find you trolling the threads, selling your tickets to a failed bridge.

How many times must you be shown the evidence that the entire book you promote as the "Word of God" is nothing more than a creation of an empire bent on perpetuating itself through the enslavement of the mind. The entire message of Yeshua ben Joseph was corrupted with the creation of the Bible. In every case, the words of Yeshua have been contaminated by agents of the Holy Roman Empire.

The concept of being "born again" was known to the Essene Nazarenes as what most of us, on this forum, know as reincarnation. Only after many lives.... in many incarnations.... can one gain the knowledge and understanding necessary to make one worthy to enter the "Kingdom of Heaven", i.e. ascend to higher dimensions of existence.

Yeshua ben Joseph was one of many avatars who was filled with the Christ Consciousness, i.e. Christened, or Christos in the Greek. His message was: anyone could become filled with the Holy Spirit simply by doing what Yeshua taught.

It was the work of the Roman Empire that turned the words of Yeshua into a Trinity Religion and made the ascension to Heaven a service only the Church could provide. This heretical act has been the foundational cause for the past two thousand years of the most obscene pain and suffering inflicted on the Mass of Humanity.

.... and, you continue to promote this hypocrisy as the Word of God !!!

My suggestion to you would be to go back to your Bible Thread and spend some time reviewing the evidence that has been presented to you regarding this issue in that thread.

It s sad that there are many with good intent who hold on to belief systems created to confuse and obstruct their own knowing to their true purpose and intent for being here at this time.......many stand stubbornly at a false gate and do not know it

[Kindred]

Dear Brother Red,

Here, we again find you trolling the threads, selling your tickets to a failed bridge.

How many times must you be shown the evidence that the entire book you promote as the "Word of God" is nothing more than a creation of an empire bent on perpetuating itself through the enslavement of the mind. The entire message of Yeshua ben Joseph was corrupted with the creation of the Bible. In every case, the words of Yeshua have been contaminated by agents of the Holy Roman Empire.

The concept of being "born again" was known to the Essene Nazarenes as what most of us, on this forum, know as reincarnation. Only after many lives.... in many incarnations.... can one gain the knowledge and understanding necessary to make one worthy to enter the "Kingdom of Heaven", i.e. ascend to higher dimensions of existence.

Yeshua ben Joseph was one of many avatars who was filled with the Christ Consciousness, i.e. Christened, or Christos in the Greek. His message was: anyone could become filled with the Holy Spirit simply by doing what Yeshua taught.

It was the work of the Roman Empire that turned the words of Yeshua into a Trinity Religion and made the ascension to Heaven a service only the Church could provide. This heretical act has been the foundational cause for the past two thousand years of the most obscene pain and suffering inflicted on the Mass of Humanity.

.... and, you continue to promote this hypocrisy as the Word of God !!!

My suggestion to you would be to go back to your Bible Thread and spend some time reviewing the evidence that has been presented to you regarding this issue in that thread.

observer... Thank You for the Education! This background is something I had not heard before, so it strikes with double force.

In Unity, Peace and Love

[lookbeyond]

Hello, I was brought up with the foundation of my "religious " beliefs coming from the christian Bible. As I grew older I as a thinking person had what I consider natural questions re origins of / accurate translations of / interpretations of / left out books of - the Bible. Much reading and investigation enshewed- not possible without the ease of technology of today. I have come to the conclusion- that which I sit comfortably with ,is that Jesus came to show us the way of compassion, which is the way to life by which we may graduate from this dimension. Dear Red , I have been where you are in my own way, may we all support each other on this journey, wherever we are

[music]

We do not need a mediator to the divine, because the divine is WITHIN US.



i beg to differ

there is nothing Divine with or within a human being


as a species we are destroying our planet and each other

living a lie and believing we are above accountability

because somehow seven billion non Divine beings make up Divinity


God must have been mocked long enough

what patience how long suffering

Mercy

We destroy and appear mundane precisely because of the long history of the politics of separation. We have been tricked into believing that we are powerless, and so like frustrated children we rail and we cry and we destroy. You tell someone often enough that they are born in sin, and they will start to believe it.

[music]

Jesus answered, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. - John 3:5


This is a reference to working the sacral and throat chakras in tandem to connect with higher consciousness. The sacral chakra is the abode of the water dragon, the powerful feminine earth energy that slumbers in our unconscious. The shape seen when meditating on the sacral is a pyramid. The throat chakra is (from the Sanskrit) "the gateway to time and space", or spirit, or higher consciousness, and the shape we see here is the inverted pyramid. Worked in tandem, we are presented with the shape known as the merkaba. The star of David is a representation of the merkaba, one of the mystery school secrets that are not shared with the rabble.

[Fred Steeves]

So I don't HAVE to be IN CHRIST.....

Thank God

Thank RedeZra


there is perhaps a problem when feeling embarrassed by association with Jesus Christ

as it is He who sends the Holy spirit to guide and guard us

RedeZra, remember that Yeshua was also good with a whip when need be...Careful what words you put in his/her mouth... I'm just sayin...

[RedeZra]

We destroy and appear mundane precisely because of the long history of the politics of separation. We have been tricked into believing that we are powerless, and so like frustrated children we rail and we cry and we destroy. You tell someone often enough that they are born in sin, and they will start to believe it.


we have been tricked into believing that Jesus is not God and that the Bible is a lie

when we don't get these two basic facts of life right

then we fall for anything

[music]

Dear Brother Red,

Here, we again find you trolling the threads, selling your tickets to a failed bridge.

How many times must you be shown the evidence that the entire book you promote as the "Word of God" is nothing more than a creation of an empire bent on perpetuating itself through the enslavement of the mind. The entire message of Yeshua ben Joseph was corrupted with the creation of the Bible. In every case, the words of Yeshua have been contaminated by agents of the Holy Roman Empire.

The concept of being "born again" was known to the Essene Nazarenes as what most of us, on this forum, know as reincarnation. Only after many lives.... in many incarnations.... can one gain the knowledge and understanding necessary to make one worthy to enter the "Kingdom of Heaven", i.e. ascend to higher dimensions of existence.

Yeshua ben Joseph was one of many avatars who was filled with the Christ Consciousness, i.e. Christened, or Christos in the Greek. His message was: anyone could become filled with the Holy Spirit simply by doing what Yeshua taught.

It was the work of the Roman Empire that turned the words of Yeshua into a Trinity Religion and made the ascension to Heaven a service only the Church could provide. This heretical act has been the foundational cause for the past two thousand years of the most obscene pain and suffering inflicted on the Mass of Humanity.

.... and, you continue to promote this hypocrisy as the Word of God !!!

My suggestion to you would be to go back to your Bible Thread and spend some time reviewing the evidence that has been presented to you regarding this issue in that thread.

observer... Thank You for the Education! This background is something I had not heard before, so it strikes with double force.

In Unity, Peace and Love

And thank you Kindred, to thank another for showing us something unknown to us is the sign of a great spirit.

[RedeZra]

So I don't HAVE to be IN CHRIST.....

Thank God

Thank RedeZra


there is perhaps a problem when feeling embarrassed by association with Jesus Christ

as it is He who sends the Holy spirit to guide and guard us

RedeZra, remember that Yeshua was also good with a whip when need be...Careful what words you put in his/her mouth... I'm just sayin...


i'm a Bible thumper Fred ; )

i seldom say anything contrary to Scripture


"For whoever is ashamed of Me and My words, of him the Son of Man will be ashamed when He comes in His glory, and [in His] Father's, and of the holy angels. - Luke 9:26


the whip is in my hand ; )

[music]

We destroy and appear mundane precisely because of the long history of the politics of separation. We have been tricked into believing that we are powerless, and so like frustrated children we rail and we cry and we destroy. You tell someone often enough that they are born in sin, and they will start to believe it.


we have been tricked into believing that Jesus is not God and that the Bible is a lie

when we don't get these two basic facts of life right

then we fall for anything

Who here has said the Jesus is not God? The point of contention here is whether or not we are ALL GOD.

It would serve no purpose to pick apart the bible and point out its inconsistencies and contradictions.

Mention was made of the trinity. This is another deception of the politics of separation. Christ consciousness is a feminine energy, which gives us a natural trinity of male/female/spirit. The unification of the energies of the true trinity within the heart is essential to achieving true higher dimensional consciousness, so the false trinity presented by the church is yet another disempowerment mechanism.

[RedeZra]

Dear Brother Red,

Here, we again find you trolling the threads, selling your tickets to a failed bridge.

How many times must you be shown the evidence that the entire book you promote as the "Word of God" is nothing more than a creation of an empire bent on perpetuating itself through the enslavement of the mind. The entire message of Yeshua ben Joseph was corrupted with the creation of the Bible. In every case, the words of Yeshua have been contaminated by agents of the Holy Roman Empire.


i'm sure you believe this Observer bro

but i don't


you constantly choose to ignore the thousands of testimonies about the living reality of Jesus Christ


it's a bit like Iraq's comical Ali

refusing to see the reality going on around him

[RedeZra]

Who here has said the Jesus is not God? The point of contention here is whether or not we are ALL GOD.


nope only Jesus

but He sends the Spirit of God

so we can become godly

to those who trust and obey Him





It would serve no purpose to pick apart the bible and point out its inconsistencies and contradictions.


try me as i could probably explain them away ; )





Mention was made of the trinity. This is another deception of the politics of separation. Christ consciousness is a feminine energy, which gives us a natural trinity of male/female/spirit.


there is no such thing as Christ consciousness

it's just nuage


and Jesus is not female

[music]

[QUOTE=music;504329]
It would serve no purpose to pick apart the bible and point out its inconsistencies and contradictions.


try me as i could probably explain them away ; )


Thanks, but my energy is better expended elsewhere, as is your own :)



Mention was made of the trinity. This is another deception of the politics of separation. Christ consciousness is a feminine energy, which gives us a natural trinity of male/female/spirit.


there is no such thing as Christ consciousness

it's just nuage


and Jesus is not female

I first became aware of Christ Consciousness at age 7, I have known it ever since, and received many blessings. It was not a product of some "new age" hussle.

The historical Jesus incarnated on earth as a male, but this shell was animated and informed by the feminine principle. Julian of Norwich and other Christian mystics experienced Jesus as a feminine energy. Mystics are those who look for themselves, rather than accepting what they are told. We are all, each of us, 50% male and 50% female, either principle being either expressed or unexpressed in varying ratios dependant on the individuals journey. This is first principle stuff, and yet we are taught not to see it. We are educated in separation.

[Fred Steeves]

RedeZra, regardless of the age old arguments. Do you reckon Jesus would approve of the way you have facillitated the hijacking of Jack's thread in his holy name? You do realize you're getting precariously close to generally being seen as troll like here now, right?

[RedeZra]

RedeZra, regardless of the age old arguments. Do you reckon Jesus would approve of the way you have facillitated the hijacking of Jack's thread in his holy name? You do realize you're getting precariously close to generally being seen as troll like here now, right?


if i am a troll for setting the record about Jesus straight then so be it

besides i thought topics about Christ were open for Christians


maybe you want a brand new Jesus

but He hasn't changed ; )

[RedeZra]

The historical Jesus incarnated on earth as a male, but this shell was animated and informed by the feminine principle. Julian of Norwich and other Christian mystics experienced Jesus as a feminine energy. Mystics are those who look for themselves, rather than accepting what they are told. We are all, each of us, 50% male and 50% female, either principle being either expressed or unexpressed in varying ratios dependant on the individuals journey. This is first principle stuff, and yet we are taught not to see it. We are educated in separation.


gender is intrinsically entwined with physicality

drop the body and loose the sex


there is no hanky panky in Heaven

[gripreaper]

gender is intrinsically entwined with physicality

So I see RedeZra is finally coming around and agrees that there is no gender in the higher dimensions. So, calling the Father God a male is fallacious as many have pointed out here and in other threads. All of the archetypes used to dumb down spirituality and make it palatable for the masses are fallacious. There IS NO separation in the higher dimensions, only that which we create here in duality.

And YES, there is Christ consciousness. The Grand Sophia, the source field, the holy spirit, energy, the divine matrix, the prana, the chi, the life force ARE ALL ONE and it is just the fallacy of the Roman Church and the bible which has fostered and sold separation as their agenda, and a way to control the masses.

This indoctrination into the cult of belief in saviors and myths is so pervasive and, as you can see, virtually impossible to break once someone is under the spell of the pagan rituals which support it.

It's quite sad actually, to see this thread hijacked and turned into dogmatic fundamentalism.

[RedeZra]

gender is intrinsically entwined with physicality

So I see RedeZra is finally coming around and agrees that there is no gender in the higher dimensions. So, calling the Father God a male is fallacious as many have pointed out here and in other threads.


God is Spirit

not male nor female

so i don't see the problem

after all His Son called Him Father





And YES, there is Christ consciousness. The Grand Sophia, the source field, the holy spirit, energy, the divine matrix, the prana, the chi, the life force ARE ALL ONE and it is just the fallacy of the Roman Church and the bible which has fostered and sold separation as their agenda, and a way to control the masses.


there is the Holy spirit

no need to give Him a new name






This indoctrination into the cult of belief in saviors and myths is so pervasive and, as you can see, virtually impossible to break once someone is under the spell of the pagan rituals which support it.

Jesus saves helps heals and provides

sounds like a Saviour to me





It's quite sad actually, to see this thread hijacked and turned into dogmatic fundamentalism.

if it's in the Bible then it's truths

call it dogmatic if you like or fundamentalism if you want

truth is still truth

[gripreaper]

if it's in the Bible then it's truths

It would help if you would qualify such statements as your subjective belief based on your subjective viewpoint, and not confuse the bible, which is the edifice of the Roman oligarchs compiled, altered, and bastardized at the Council of Nicaea, to meet their objective of divisiveness, separation and control of the masses, with your unsubstantiated and fallacious subjectivity RedeZra.

It has been pointed out to you on numerous occasions, the errors, omissions, alterations, lies and half truths in the bible, in this thread and many others, which you refuse to address or engage, while you stay within a very narrow range of proselytized euphemisms of fundamentalist dogma and repeat the same protagonist fundamentalist mantra "ad infinitum", disregarding any and all objective proof contrary to your subjective viewpoint.

Yes, you are entitled to your opinion, but lets be clear here, it's just your subjective opinion.

[RedeZra]

if it's in the Bible then it's truths

It would help if you would qualify such statements as your subjective belief based on your subjective viewpoint, and not confuse the bible, which is the edifice of the Roman oligarchs compiled, altered, and bastardized at the Council of Nicaea, to meet their objective of divisiveness, separation and control of the masses, with your unsubstantiated and fallacious subjectivity RedeZra.




it is also your subjective belief that the Bible is a lie based on not evidence but hearsay

and so you choose other sources for an understanding of life and life after death


but have they been vetted by DW ?

[heyokah]

RedeZra, regardless of the age old arguments. Do you reckon Jesus would approve of the way you have facilitated the hijacking of Jack's thread in his holy name? You do realize you're getting precariously close to generally being seen as troll like here now, right?


if i am a troll for setting the record about Jesus straight then so be it

besides i thought topics about Christ were open for Christians


maybe you want a brand new Jesus

but He hasn't changed ; )

Dear Red,

By saying
So I don't HAVE to be IN CHRIST..... I meant "I don't have to be a fundamentalist follower of the organized religion called Christianity".
I can see what it has done and is doing to people.......and forums....
Maybe I should have put IN CHRIST in parentheses to make it more ironical.

As for Christ Consciousness , I think it is the state of awareness of our true nature, our higher self, and our birthright as children of God.

As far as I know, Jesus achieved this Christ Consciousness in his human life, and was given this term before his name as the recognition of his achievement of this spiritual status.
Hence his name Jesus Christ.

[RedeZra]

As far as I know, Jesus achieved this Christ Consciousness in his human life, and was given this term before his name as the recognition of his achievement of this spiritual status.
Hence his name Jesus Christ.


but for Heaven's sake Heyokah

He received the Holy spirit at the baptism in river Jordan



no need to go to church

but read the Bible

and if you want Him you will meet Him

[gripreaper]

it is also your subjective belief that the Bible is a lie based on not evidence but hearsay

Please go back to your "Bible" thread and re-read it. the proof is all there.


but have they been vetted by DW ?

You may consider this an acceptable way to passive aggressively discredit me and make the facts I and many others have presented not worthy of consideration, because you hold the absolute truth and the rest of us are somehow in some kind of David Wilcock cult and therefore cannot see clearly, yet it is obvious to me that your SUBJECTIVE viewpoint is impossible to debate empirically, or spiritually, as those references do not fit into your subjective viewpoint.

If you are trying to incite me and you find this your subjective nuance as a fun thing to do, in a protagonist context, then you are sorely mistaken if you think I will fall for such shenanigans.

I will reiterate here one more time. Your viewpoint is subjective and not substantiated by the facts of history of this planet, period.

[161803398]

According to very old philosophy, some of us are divine, some of us have a choice to make and some of us are dirt. I think we can follow who the dirt is at the moment...as its in control.

There were many versions of Christianity when it started. The Books that would appeal to the masses were included in the Bible. The others were not. As with every religion, there were different levels of understanding. The Bible is enough for some; but others intuitively know there is more to the story.

[Maia Gabrial]

And I don't think God/Source/Spirit is 'negative' in any way, shape, or form, much less 'evil'.


If the Creator of All That IS is all things, then that means ALL thngs, including negativity. Our concepts of God is so limited. If spiritually advanced beings don't know how to explain it, then how can we in our limited perspectives?

[gripreaper]

If the Creator of All That IS is all things, then that means ALL things, including negativity.

Yes. Once in wholeness, split into fractals of light, the prisms of the rainbow, animated between two polarities...positive and negative, up and down, yin and yang, masculine and feminine, left and right, light and dark, black and white, inside and outside, front and back. The energy oscillating between these two polarities animates life and gives it form. This duality is what we experience in physicality, this motion, at different frequency and different velocity, which determines the differentiation between objects.

It was the elite oligarchs who understood, that the polarities must be severed from the wholeness of unity in order to fulfill their agenda of control, and therefore they created archetypes for these energies, calling them good and evil, sequestering them and creating a short circuit in the electromagnetic field of consciousness, the energy of "ALL THAT IS" and selling it to us as separation and divisiveness as being normal. These energies acting alone in their polarized state created all types of aberrations from unity, and this is what we see as evil.

It is this judgment and belief which keeps us divided and separate, and keeps us from our innate abilities to create and manifest that which is beautiful, true and precious. Being in wholeness, without the separation and judgments, would mean we could build pyramids, walk on water, and do those things the ancients did, without the want and need of lack. Abundance is the norm in unity.

We were sold a bill of goods, the biggest lie, shrouded in a shred of truth, sold to us as religion, and contextualized as evil, perpetrated through the dogma of the bible. Christ consciousness is the return to wholeness, the matrix is the realization of the lie, and the politics of separation is to keep us from this truth.

Excellent thread.

[Maia Gabrial]

Yes. Once in wholeness, split into fractals of light, the prisms of the rainbow, animated between two polarities...positive and negative, up and down, yin and yang, masculine and feminine, left and right, light and dark, black and white, inside and outside, front and back. The energy oscillating between these two polarities animates life and gives it form.

And all is good and allowed by the Creator of All That IS....

[observer]

[....snip]
"We were sold a bill of goods, the biggest lie, shrouded in a shred of truth, sold to us as religion, and contextualized as evil, perpetrated through the dogma of the bible. Christ consciousness is the return to wholeness, the matrix is the realization of the lie, and the politics of separation is to keep us from this truth.


Excellent summery grip....

The Cathar (http://www.cathar.info/1201_beliefs.htm) were the last living Nazarene Essene Christians (Gnostic Christians (http://www.cathar.info/12011414_gnosis.htm)). They were among the last to keep the true secrets of Christos, or how one becomes anointed with the Holy Spirit.

The Cathar referred to the God of the Old Testament as Rex Mundi, King of the World. They considered the Pope to be a representative of Rex Mundi, here in this material existence.

They referred to the One True God, (or what Yeshua ben Joseph referred to as, "His Father in Heaven"), as Amor, The God Of Love - the creator of all there is.

They saw how this duality was created to imprison the Mass of Humanity, therefore they sought to ascend above this gross material existence.

.... And for this belief, they were annihilated from the planet by (none other than) Pope Innocent III.

Just one in a long list of obscenities racked onto Humanity by those creators of the Bible, The Holy Roman Empire....

Many researchers have confused the Gnosis practiced by the Templar, Madam Blavatsky, and Aleister Crowley as the same Gnosis practiced by Yeshua ben Joseph. They are not the same. The entire mosaic is clouded with shades of designed chaos.

This is the result of a cosmology driven by archons/reptiles.

Whenever the 'crop' begins to figure-out the agenda, the Masses are purposely manipulated with telepathic thought programs, and hypnotized back into sleep, while the ones who have figured-out the agenda are annihilated.

This is what happened with the early Christians.... it is what happened with the Cathar. The New Age Gnosis we are fed today is all part of an ongoing hypnosis procedure....

[Kindred]

And I don't think God/Source/Spirit is 'negative' in any way, shape, or form, much less 'evil'.


If the Creator of All That IS is all things, then that means ALL thngs, including negativity. Our concepts of God is so limited. If spiritually advanced beings don't know how to explain it, then how can we in our limited perspectives?

It's my own feeling that God/Source/Spirit has made Creation (via Pure Unconditional Love) in such a way that ALL Things/Perspectives/Actions (Positive & Negative) are Possible, for to deny any One possibility, would inherently thus deny All possibilities. I see this as not only as an expression of the flow of energy in a toroidal model, but also the embodiment of Embracing Free Will.

As such, this Creation by God/Source/Spirit is LOVED, Guided, and Embraced in It's Entirety.

And, yes, I intrinsically Know about the dualities from extreme personal experience.

In Unity, Peace and Love

[gripreaper]

[....snip]
"We were sold a bill of goods, the biggest lie, shrouded in a shred of truth, sold to us as religion, and contextualized as evil, perpetrated through the dogma of the bible. Christ consciousness is the return to wholeness, the matrix is the realization of the lie, and the politics of separation is to keep us from this truth.


Excellent summery grip....

The Cathar (http://www.cathar.info/1201_beliefs.htm) were the last living Nazarene Essene Christians (Gnostic Christians (http://www.cathar.info/12011414_gnosis.htm)). They were among the last to keep the true secrets of Christos, or how one becomes anointed with the Holy Spirit.

The Cathar referred to the God of the Old Testament as Rex Mundi, King of the World. They considered the Pope to be a representative of Rex Mundi, here in this material existence.

They referred to the One True God, (or what Yeshua ben Joseph referred to as, "His Father in Heaven"), as Amor, The God Of Love - the creator of all there is.

They saw how this duality was created to imprison the Mass of Humanity, therefore they sought to ascend above this gross material existence.

.... And for this belief, they were annihilated from the planet by (none other than) Pope Innocent III.

Just one in a long list of obscenities racked onto Humanity by those creators of the Bible, The Holy Roman Empire....

Many researchers have confused the Gnosis practiced by the Templar, Madam Blavatsky, and Aleister Crowley as the same Gnosis practiced by Yeshua ben Joseph. They are not the same. The entire mosaic is clouded with shades of designed chaos.

This is the result of a cosmology driven by archons/reptiles.

Whenever the 'crop' begins to figure-out the agenda, the Masses are purposely manipulated with telepathic thought programs, and hypnotized back into sleep, while the ones who have figured-out the agenda are annihilated.

This is what happened with the early Christians.... it is what happened with the Cathar. The New Age Gnosis we are fed today is all part of an ongoing hypnosis procedure....

thanks observer. I love your wisdom and your heart. I makes me weep when I feel the utter annihilation over the millennium of those wonderful souls who held the sacred knowledge, and who were summarily wiped off the face of this earth to foster a religious agenda shrouded in bits of truth and fed to us as a lie in the bible. My heart just aches.

Great words of wisdom too Kindred. this gives me hope.

[lookbeyond]

Thankyou all, for the pieces to the puzzle, of course its a very large puzzle and im thankful to have company in finding them

[we-R-one]

Enjoying the exchange between all of you and thought I would throw in a little humor, lol....who could forget George Carlin's Religion is bull****.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o

And no, this is not necessarily a reflection of my entire view point, but I thought this was funny and somewhat fitting to the conversation.

[the_vast_mystery]

When we realise that we (all of us) are one, and that “one” is God, then we step into our own power and cannot be controlled. This is where the politics of separation comes in.

The message of the Christ Consciousness, for example, which I recognise within myself, has been corrupted to further the politics of separation. In organised religion, Christ is portrayed as a supernatural being possessed of powers and attributes that we (as mere mortals) can never hope to achieve. The true message of the Christ (WE ARE ONE, WE ARE GOD) encourages empowerment, and the excising of this from Christian dogma began with Paul the misogynistic Roman, and continued through to the First Council of Nicosia (300 AD), and beyond to the present day. We are told that Christ is THE ONE, and we only reach heaven through him, but to me (and many others who personally experience Christ Consciousness) this is ridiculous. We do not need a mediator to the divine, because the divine is WITHIN US.

Everybody entertains the idea that they are THE ONE. That most famous of Illuminati films, The Matrix (and sequels) firmly reinforces the idea that there is one person (and one only) who holds the key to our very souls. Once we accept this idea, we are doomed forever to labour within the desert of separation. Unity consciousness is not possible when we entertain ideas centred around THE ONE, whether or not we believe that this “one” is ourselves. This is the same line of thought which sees nations turning to father-figure dictators, and which sees the abused habitually seeking out the abuser to form relationships with.

One Love and Unity.

But in this context, what is "our own power?" Hell what does "power" even mean in this context? I've been wondering for a while and, please correct me if I'm wrong. But it seems the predominant definition of power used on this and other more conspiracy/new age/ufo websites relates to "power to compel obedience to a decision." Which more goes on about how humans relate to each other. Now, while in this case spiritual material can be terribly empowering as it may teach us to say "No" to certain people or circumstances which we had previously allowed ourselves to be run roughshod over on...it does not however grant any additional physical capacity to resist direct violent attack. This is why I've been wondering why no matter how much I read I never feel "empowered." Then it hit me, most people seem to think they're empowered entirely because they do or don't believe something they see as false and therefore have more control over their own moral agency.

While this is certainly liberating, a person with a gun in your face can still compel obedience. This goes double for anyone who's a parent or has a spouse or family they care about. While you think you're "Free" from society's coercion all you've really done is removed yourself from a few steps of the system of behavior enforcement. So long as you care about another human being, or find physical pain discomforting, you can still be tortured into compliance if you ever do enough to inconvenience anyone serious. So really, how empowered are we? Of course, when I tend to think of "power" I think of "power over the elements" as in the direct ability to manipulate energy or matter for direct physical offensive/defensive capacity. Which really isn't something any human being has yet to demonstrate. Short of that sort of ability though, you're always going to be subject to a level of coercion, because so long as anything in this world is valuable to you, and you lack the ability to defend it physically, then you are still vulnerable. I find this state of being to be irrevocably disempowering. All we've done is said we are free from other people's beliefs, that does not make us free from their knives, guns, whips, chains, bombs, nor chemical/bio weapons. So we're really just telling our jailers they have to start hitting us harder before we'll go back in line.

[Bo Atkinson]

"Power trips" in the 1960s, were indeed distracting. Indeed we are frail in many situations and learn to deal with life, as lawfully as we possibly can. Our support systems are in effect 'collective' or united.

I was reluctant to gang up on fundamentalism, but this thread seems to broaden the perspective and face all that might connect. History here is complex enough, but what of the multiversal aspects?

"God within" has many avenues, though one takes on a minority label, to some degree. As freedom wanes. Power in religion left me much to ponder on, years past.

I was slow to find the following text, apparently authored by a Camelot guest. An author of a very absorbing book for me. A book purported to document the ET side.

This quote seems pertinent to the broader discussion here. Are we able to consider how aliens might feel?


From: Alien Mind The Thought and Behavior of Extraterrestrials, 2010
​page 177


Are Aliens Religious?

Although some contactees are convinced that aliens abduct humans for “spiritual” reasons in order to bring us into a larger kind of one-ness, many aliens would probably differ. For example, how do we define spirit? Many humans think spirit endures with a unique personal character. Aliens don’t dwell on personal character in that sense. Instead, they define what we call “spirit” as that of a greater, universal whole, which is highly scientific, not simply a glowing quality of a primitive sort. However, a given regime or collective might try to selectively categorize the universal whole as they choose, so the alien notion of spirit and sentience would be biased, in some cases.

While some humans think of spirit as their higher individual consciousness, aliens think otherwise--if they even use the word “spirit,” at all. We usually don’t hear their internal discussions on the subject because they’re too subtle. Aliens think of (the notion of) spirit in a collective sense. In other words, only the part of you that’s universal could endure.
Do aliens believe in God or a Creator? The question assumes that there’s a single, individual entity, a figurative kind of super-being with singular character. Aliens usually don’t think in such terms. Instead, they talk about a multiplicity of intelligences that can converge in a collective community of mind, which you participate in and are part of. Our idea of a Creator assumes that there was a first cause. Meanwhile, in various statements aliens have said the universe is, or can be, infinitely re-cycled, provided certain ecological conservations are respected. In other words, there probably isn’t a single character, a single-voiced deity that was first, in a linear sense of causation. To reduce universal mind to one single personage would exclude great awareness that can collectively dimension into and through any moment. So when aliens tell humans about a “Creator,” they’re probably just posing the subject in terms that a non-scientific human can relate to.

If I’m not mistaken, aliens think the notion of a single creator is immature. Here on Earth, the idea of a single creator led to drunken kings and wannabe upstarts posing the singular and elevating themselves as god-like, rather than collective social consciousness. So, we see bad presidents and feeble-minded aristocrats who hide behind the illusion, which is convenient because any literate gofer can simply mouth the idea as though he or she is equal to it.

Meanwhile, when the universe cycles or folds into itself, time cycles back into itself also—in either great leaps of context or in tiny increments, depending on the mind of the observer. That’s why remote sensing is (or can be) as it is. That’s how the best minds cohere in hyperspace. In other words, by simply deciding to do so, you can step out of your old identity (old science and limitations) and be part of a better kind.


While most of the book reveals negative alien agendas and methods, it is in the context of seeking and empowering our inner unity. A unity of humanity first, before we "loose it" as a race. Before we are ejected through every manner of corruption and manipulation , so often posted here on Avalon.

[Kindred]

Here's something a bit out of synch with the current line of debate on this thread... though RedeZra hasn't been on this thread recently, I thought to provide this interesting snippet which I had posted in the Bible thread:

George reveals the origin of RedeZra's avatar... not the statue/model itself, but the Origin of the Concept...

The entire interview is intriguing, but the particular segment of interest is at around 33 min's in.

"Inside The Actors Studio - George Carlin" on YouTube


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ekRTGDuf07o

In Unity, Peace and Love

[Bo Atkinson]

The entire interview is intriguing, but the particular segment of interest is at around 33 min's in.

Strangers in a strange world?


Alien Mind: So, we see bad presidents and feeble-minded aristocrats who hide behind the illusion, which is convenient because any literate gofer can simply mouth the idea as though he or she is equal to it.

[music]

But in this context, what is "our own power?" Hell what does "power" even mean in this context? I've been wondering for a while and, please correct me if I'm wrong. But it seems the predominant definition of power used on this and other more conspiracy/new age/ufo websites relates to "power to compel obedience to a decision." Which more goes on about how humans relate to each other. Now, while in this case spiritual material can be terribly empowering as it may teach us to say "No" to certain people or circumstances which we had previously allowed ourselves to be run roughshod over on...it does not however grant any additional physical capacity to resist direct violent attack. This is why I've been wondering why no matter how much I read I never feel "empowered." Then it hit me, most people seem to think they're empowered entirely because they do or don't believe something they see as false and therefore have more control over their own moral agency.

While this is certainly liberating, a person with a gun in your face can still compel obedience. This goes double for anyone who's a parent or has a spouse or family they care about. While you think you're "Free" from society's coercion all you've really done is removed yourself from a few steps of the system of behavior enforcement. So long as you care about another human being, or find physical pain discomforting, you can still be tortured into compliance if you ever do enough to inconvenience anyone serious. So really, how empowered are we? Of course, when I tend to think of "power" I think of "power over the elements" as in the direct ability to manipulate energy or matter for direct physical offensive/defensive capacity. Which really isn't something any human being has yet to demonstrate. Short of that sort of ability though, you're always going to be subject to a level of coercion, because so long as anything in this world is valuable to you, and you lack the ability to defend it physically, then you are still vulnerable. I find this state of being to be irrevocably disempowering. All we've done is said we are free from other people's beliefs, that does not make us free from their knives, guns, whips, chains, bombs, nor chemical/bio weapons. So we're really just telling our jailers they have to start hitting us harder before we'll go back in line.

Thanks for your considered reply, and thank you for offering me the opportunity to clarify. Personal power has nothing to do with "power to compel obedience to a decision". Power to compel whom? and by whom? When I use the term personal power I am talking about living through the heart, in a true and eternal connection to higher dimensional consciousness. When we live through the heart, we desire nothing from no one, neither obedience nor disobedience. You talk of the power of a gun in the face, and while in my youth I had guns in my face several times, that is no longer a part of my reality. Spiritual integrity is a potent shield, yet should that shield fail, access to higher dimensional consciousness gives one a place to go where physical pain has no meaning. Not hocus pocus, I have had extensive dental work done with no pain relief because we can all get to a place where pain cannot reach us. No offence, but you use power in the context of the fear/separation paradigm, and to understand what is meant by true power in the multi-dimensional sense, there is no option but to go there and see for yourself. Personal power to me, means that I have all I need to be happy (not money, because money does not equate to happiness, but I am somehow given enough of it for my needs), and that I have all the health and energy I need to give others a helping hand too. What more do we need? Give some serious thought to changing the way you view the world, because your view (no offence, but this is my understanding) perpetuates the climate of fear and separation by feeding it energy.

[Bo Atkinson]

I can relate very much to your clarification music. We reap what we sow. After some time, may we lean towards a perrenial style. Though i'm still a bit uncertain how much hard labor is required. Labor seems fitting and good in may ways, until the old confused tangles spill out of a closet, inconveniently. True nature handles things so much better with ecological cycles, bearing no toxic wastes, besides man's. But it is still hard to let go of the old paradigms.

Insights anyone?

[Davy]

Thanks Music, I agree with you 100%, Christ came to show us the way that we all can be like him but It has been twisted, to further control and enslave taking away your true power.

[Davy]

Redzera your old school thinking and brainwashing is really, really sad! So many have been hurt through religion and false twisted teachings, It is time to wake up and take back our power that we all do indeed have within because God is within all living things and especially humans, The ones that rule the world know this so that is why people have been lied to, to take away their real power. I have found mine and I will not let anyone take that away from me with their brainwashed Ideas. So You can believe what you want to. But must you push it on everyone else? Why are you on Avalon anyway apparently you cant get passed your brainwashing to see any thing different?

[Davy]

Moderators are there away to delete Redzera's ongoing dogma? Another thread he has ruined. It's obvious Redzera's don't respect or care about the views of others than his own.

[lookbeyond]

Hello Davy,
I dont know about you , but for me ,I have taken years to evolve to where I am at this point in my spiritual development. I have come from a western christian background but with a mother who also believed in reincarnation. Her death as a young woman left me railing against God for many years, my process had begun, we all evolve at our own necessary rate and I like to believe we are not given more than we can bear in our present life, Red may need to be here at this point, this may be his way of investigating, maybe you could just pass over what bothers you in the spirit of acceptance of his journey

[RedeZra]

Redzera your old school thinking and brainwashing is really, really sad! So many have been hurt through religion and false twisted teachings, It is time to wake up and take back our power that we all do indeed have within because God is within all living things and especially humans, The ones that rule the world know this so that is why people have been lied to, to take away their real power. I have found mine and I will not let anyone take that away from me with their brainwashed Ideas. So You can believe what you want to. But must you push it on everyone else? Why are you on Avalon anyway apparently you cant get passed your brainwashing to see any thing different?


what's the problem ?

just accept Jesus


He has never lost a battle against devils and demons

so you want Him on your side

[Fred Steeves]

what's the problem ?

just accept Jesus


He has never lost a battle against devils and demons

so you want Him on your side

So you've made the choice then, to formally transform yourself from "Jesus Freak", to "Jesus Babbling Nonsense"?

Okey Dokey...

[the_vast_mystery]

Thanks for your considered reply, and thank you for offering me the opportunity to clarify. Personal power has nothing to do with "power to compel obedience to a decision". Power to compel whom? and by whom? When I use the term personal power I am talking about living through the heart, in a true and eternal connection to higher dimensional consciousness. When we live through the heart, we desire nothing from no one, neither obedience nor disobedience. You talk of the power of a gun in the face, and while in my youth I had guns in my face several times, that is no longer a part of my reality. Spiritual integrity is a potent shield, yet should that shield fail, access to higher dimensional consciousness gives one a place to go where physical pain has no meaning. Not hocus pocus, I have had extensive dental work done with no pain relief because we can all get to a place where pain cannot reach us. No offence, but you use power in the context of the fear/separation paradigm, and to understand what is meant by true power in the multi-dimensional sense, there is no option but to go there and see for yourself. Personal power to me, means that I have all I need to be happy (not money, because money does not equate to happiness, but I am somehow given enough of it for my needs), and that I have all the health and energy I need to give others a helping hand too. What more do we need? Give some serious thought to changing the way you view the world, because your view (no offence, but this is my understanding) perpetuates the climate of fear and separation by feeding it energy.

So from what you're saying, to live in one's power is to cultivate the ability to, if necessary, immediately disassociate from reality to such a stunning degree that no amount of torture or manipulation of emotional attachment becomes possible? Because I guess what I've been trying to figure out is how you can successfully disassociate without entirely becoming callous/cold/uncaring. Superficially it seems almost like practicing a sense of controlled psychopathy but I'm sure there's much more to it than that. What I've just been trying to figure out is how you can stop the hurt without killing the part that cares.

Thank you for the information, quite interesting. ^_^

[RedeZra]

what's the problem ?

just accept Jesus


He has never lost a battle against devils and demons

so you want Him on your side

So you've made the choice then, to formally transform yourself from "Jesus Freak", to "Jesus Babbling Nonsense"?

Okey Dokey...


the fight is not against flesh and blood


the ptb serve the devil and his demons

and that is why the world is in this grip of evil


and it will get worse


how will you fight an archon ?

[Bo Atkinson]

Red, i'm just a little puzzled why you don't feel more drawn to re-direct or 'save' fundamentalists who support the pillaging of earth, in the name war lusts?

In some sort of interpretation of that 'sword' quote. I'm sure you must think of it now and then. None here could think that quote, as militant.

Instead you hammer away, with quite some energy, like throwing your pearls? before us, who might just appear to you like beloved swine?

[RedeZra]

Instead you hammer away, with quite some energy, like throwing your pearls? before us, who might just appear to you like beloved swine?


not at all

i'm just saying the world is run by devils and demons

and God is gonna set it on fire


so party is over


oh and where will you spend eternity ?

[Bo Atkinson]

I bet i know your your answer.

But we sublimate each other's question.

Jesus wrote on the sand, not on paper.

[gripreaper]

the world is run by devils and demons and God is gonna set it on fire, so party is over

Please RedeZra, quit proselytizing and hijacking threads with your archaic, paganistic notions of savior myths, and lies.

The world IS NOT run by devils and demons and god IS NOT going to set it on fire. Please stop with such nonsense, or take it back to your own "Bible" thread where no one wants to hear it.

[RedeZra]

the world is run by devils and demons and God is gonna set it on fire, so party is over

Please RedeZra, quit proselytizing and hijacking threads with your archaic, paganistic notions of savior myths, and lies.

The world IS NOT run by devils and demons and god IS NOT going to set it on fire. Please stop with such nonsense, or take it back to your own "Bible" thread where no one wants to hear it.


can you hear me Cassandra

you know how it goes


well time will tell

[gripreaper]

http://swiftor.com/attachments/f91/10318d1329521442t-48-hour-trial-again-sisko-facepalm.gif

[observer]

In the Native American tradition, one is only permitted to speak at the council if he is an elder of the tribe. This is the general rule, there are exceptions, however, there is very sound reasoning behind this principal.

At this point in the debate, I must ask the question: "how old are you, Red"?

You, Red, don't advertise your age.

As an elder of this Avalon Tribe, I submit you speak like a child. You speak like an adolescent enrolled in some sort evangelical youth program.

I want your age advertised to the members, so that each can individually make-up their mind if you speak from matured wisdom, or are you simply repeating mantra like a child would repeat nursery rhymes.

[Kindred]

"how old are you, Red"?

You speak like an adolescent enrolled in some sort evangelical youth program.

[Do} you speak from matured wisdom, or are you simply repeating mantra like a child would repeat nursery rhymes.

Excellent 'Observation'! I concur, and request the same.

[sdv]

Christianity is a cult, you know, and a requirement for being part of the cult is giving up any independent thought or personal growth. I am just surprised that a member of the cult would be on this forum and be completely blocked from taking anything in at all! However, part of the requirement for being a member of a cult is also to recruit new members/convert others, so that might be the agenda for being here.

RedeZra, I wish you well and acknowledge your right to sing your song over and over again, but I am going to tune out because I am not interested in being a part of your cult, at all.

[Nyce555]

I think that people are always going to disagree about religion. Some will take the Bible very literally, some historically, others will simply use it as a book of inspiriation without taking everything literally, and some will never read a page of it. For me, I do not take everything in the Bible literally, because I know that historically translations have been misinterpreted and scriptures have been added due to political and control during that time. Many of the things do not apply to modern times. I do read it for inspiration and sometimes to help me make the right decisions in life. I believe in the Divinity of Christ, but I also believe that he was born aware of it and had direct access to God the Creator. I believe that he came to teach us how to access our Divinity so that we too can know the greatness in ourselves and the power of love vs hate and bitterness. He knew that if we learned this that we could truely be free of the negative influences on this Earth while we are here and that we have a permanant Home on the Other Side, if we choose to follow the path of Love in life. This is what I learned from Jesus and reading the Bible and this is what sits true in my heart although I understand that others may not quite feel the same way.

[music]

Thanks for your considered reply, and thank you for offering me the opportunity to clarify. Personal power has nothing to do with "power to compel obedience to a decision". Power to compel whom? and by whom? When I use the term personal power I am talking about living through the heart, in a true and eternal connection to higher dimensional consciousness. When we live through the heart, we desire nothing from no one, neither obedience nor disobedience. You talk of the power of a gun in the face, and while in my youth I had guns in my face several times, that is no longer a part of my reality. Spiritual integrity is a potent shield, yet should that shield fail, access to higher dimensional consciousness gives one a place to go where physical pain has no meaning. Not hocus pocus, I have had extensive dental work done with no pain relief because we can all get to a place where pain cannot reach us. No offence, but you use power in the context of the fear/separation paradigm, and to understand what is meant by true power in the multi-dimensional sense, there is no option but to go there and see for yourself. Personal power to me, means that I have all I need to be happy (not money, because money does not equate to happiness, but I am somehow given enough of it for my needs), and that I have all the health and energy I need to give others a helping hand too. What more do we need? Give some serious thought to changing the way you view the world, because your view (no offence, but this is my understanding) perpetuates the climate of fear and separation by feeding it energy.

So from what you're saying, to live in one's power is to cultivate the ability to, if necessary, immediately disassociate from reality to such a stunning degree that no amount of torture or manipulation of emotional attachment becomes possible? Because I guess what I've been trying to figure out is how you can successfully disassociate without entirely becoming callous/cold/uncaring. Superficially it seems almost like practicing a sense of controlled psychopathy but I'm sure there's much more to it than that. What I've just been trying to figure out is how you can stop the hurt without killing the part that cares.

Thank you for the information, quite interesting. ^_^

Once again, thank you for your excellent comment. This is easy :) When truly connected to higher consciousness, we realise that Love is the all, and if we are each one part of the all, then we are 100% made up of Love. Separation is encouraged so we forget this. Just as I mentioned we should try not to feed the machine of oppression and separation with our hatred or fear, when we live through the heart (act from a place of Love), its like we are draining the oil from the sump of the machine - it will continue to run for a little while, but can only eventually grind to a clunking halt. Read pie'n'eal's thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46165-Love-and-Logic.) on Love and Logic, note that the pure Love of higher dimensional consciousness can appear "cold" to us because we are used to the heat of human love, driven by need and lack of spiritual and psychological integrity.

The more of us who live through the heart, the greater the momentum, the greater the change that spreads to others, so eventually the balance is tipped, and nothing will stop the world from being informed by Love, and not fear.

[the_vast_mystery]

I think this finally answers my searching I've been doing. I was wondering why I could never grasp these concepts and its entirely because I've never really experienced them (especially not in a way I'd consider to be positive or helpful. I've never experienced any sort of "love" that was not an immensely painful overall experience for me.) I'm still doing an immense amount of self-review to figure out why nothing quite seems to budge me out of my mental place. My mind cannot grasp the emotion of something I do not ever remember experiencing and this is why I can't quite ever get a handle on the concepts. My own past experience would lead me to question their usefulness or relevancy because (by their description they exhibit the qualities of feelings) that are so far outside my scope of experience I literally cannot fully believe they're even real until something in the world changes to somehow inspire them in me. Because the current one certainly doesn't give me anything that makes me feel even close to that.

Until I experience these things in a way that feels good/useful/whatever they're just going to remain alien concepts to me. Something I can understand the expression of in theory, but not the actual feeling that guides the expression. Everything I've experienced in my own life has led me to adopt a powerful nihilism at my core. (I didn't realize it until just recently. I realized that ultimately the "Happy" me was actually a persona, a lie I told myself because I thought by pretending to be "happy" I'd get more things in life. Instead quite the opposite happened and no matter how hard I tried to fake belief in things to seem happy I couldn't stop myself from eventually disowning all of the beliefs out of a powerful fear of being wrong. Then I realized, what it meant was the only thing I believed in truly must be nothing if I can't ever actually hold any real belief or long-term trust in anything or anyone. Which means that everything that I thought I believed in before is essentially a lie I wanted to believe in.)

On the bright side it has given me powerful insight into the nature of belief and how it's often used to cover emotional wounding. But it does leave me to suspect that it's probably not worth it to me to continue pursuing this spiritual stuff. (So I think this is where I'm going to try and stop myself. But thank you for the explanation. It has at least given me an understanding of why I will not understand! ^_^;;) I'd love for it to be true, but I require a level of proof or experience that appears to be the entire antithesis of something delineated on concepts of "trust" and "faith" in unseen, unknown, or unexperienced things.

[RedeZra]

In the Native American tradition, one is only permitted to speak at the council if he is an elder of the tribe. This is the general rule, there are exceptions, however, there is very sound reasoning behind this principal.

At this point in the debate, I must ask the question: "how old are you, Red"?

You, Red, don't advertise your age.

As an elder of this Avalon Tribe, I submit you speak like a child. You speak like an adolescent enrolled in some sort evangelical youth program.

I want your age advertised to the members, so that each can individually make-up their mind if you speak from matured wisdom, or are you simply repeating mantra like a child would repeat nursery rhymes.


i am younger than you old man lol

and i was not born when JFK took the bullets


so i'm not a child ; )

[music]

vast_mystery, the crucial first step to experiencing these things is to first truly Love ourselves. Until we have have cultivated Love for self, we will never reach a pure awareness because all our experiences will be coloured by the psychological and emotional fallout that the lack of self-Love brings. Loving ourselves is empowering and liberating, so are we surprised that society looks down on people who love themselves, and considers self-Love to be overweening pride and vanity? We will never be able to truly Love another until we truly Love ourselves, anything else is diminished by our neediness.

I would say there are 3 fundamental steps to awareness: 1) develop self-Love; 2) realise we are all one; 3) Love all. It sounds deceptively simple, yet I have found completing these 3 simple steps quite the challenge. A worthwhile journey though.

[heyokah]

In the Native American tradition, one is only permitted to speak at the council if he is an elder of the tribe. This is the general rule, there are exceptions, however, there is very sound reasoning behind this principal.

At this point in the debate, I must ask the question: "how old are you, Red"?

You, Red, don't advertise your age.

As an elder of this Avalon Tribe, I submit you speak like a child. You speak like an adolescent enrolled in some sort evangelical youth program.

I want your age advertised to the members, so that each can individually make-up their mind if you speak from matured wisdom, or are you simply repeating mantra like a child would repeat nursery rhymes.


i am younger than you old man lol

and i was not born when JFK took the bullets

so i'm not a child ; )


...."and i was not born when JFK took the bullets

so i'm not a child ; )"

This is your logic.....? :lol:



So now it's clear you ARE still very young.

Maybe not even in your mid-twenties.

This is my logic .... ;-)


Much love,

grandma



*ADD*

Sorry music for being so off topic.

Won't happen again.

[the_vast_mystery]

vast_mystery, the crucial first step to experiencing these things is to first truly Love ourselves. Until we have have cultivated Love for self, we will never reach a pure awareness because all our experiences will be coloured by the psychological and emotional fallout that the lack of self-Love brings. Loving ourselves is empowering and liberating, so are we surprised that society looks down on people who love themselves, and considers self-Love to be overweening pride and vanity? We will never be able to truly Love another until we truly Love ourselves, anything else is diminished by our neediness.

I would say there are 3 fundamental steps to awareness: 1) develop self-Love; 2) realise we are all one; 3) Love all. It sounds deceptively simple, yet I have found completing these 3 simple steps quite the challenge. A worthwhile journey though.

I don't think I can love myself, I've never felt "worthy" of love, and no amount of positive affirmation changes that. This is where it comes back to my lack of experience. I've never really experienced "positive feeling love" in any way I'd recognize. I can recognize when others have "showed love" on an intellectual level. Yet it's never once registered with me and given me any sort of powerful positive boost. The only times I've ever really "felt good" were because of my own escapist fantacizations or adopted false beliefs to support them. I'd "feel good" because someone did something I thought indicated something (that was entirely untrue) such as them being potentially romantically infatuated with myself. So I wouldn't know where to begin. I mean, I understand the theory but I've never experienced it in practice. So this is where I'm just kind of "stuck" because I can't really figure a reasonable way out of it.

I can think of situations that might cultivate that self-love eventually but really those are all situations dreamed up as elaborate re-assurance mechanisms to try and cover up the emotional wounds I was trying to cover with false beliefs. I don't know how to care about a me I see as lacking all of the things I'd want to be proud of, but more then that the things I feel I need to be proud of myself are all ridiculous fantasy ideas that again were built entirely to cover up emotional wounds.

For instance, what I mentioned before about "power." I could never feel confident or "powerful" unless I knew I had the physical power to resolve any dispute if it turned violent. (Because in my case, as a child I was regularly attacked by bullies.) So I would know that vulnerability existed and until I was 100% certain it would no longer affect me I'd be taken by fear and refuse to take a lot of risks because I was afraid of the negative consequences that might arise if I did not have that level of physical capacity to defend myself against attack. Until then I would feel "unworthy" of acting, as I was not certain I had the physical or emotional, stamina to make a commitment and see it to the end without those things. I can't love what I see as vast personal flaws.

Realizing what they are doesn't really bring me any closer though to resolving these demands. The deeper I dig within myself the more deceitful, childish, unreasonable, immature, and ultimately negative I realize I actually am and the more self-loathing and reluctant I become to commit to anything or do anything. This leads me to believe I may just need to give up spiritualism because I think I lack the emotional maturity to handle it; if I can't heal my own wounds or iron out my ego healthily on my own first. So rather than risk putting the cart before the horse it may be time for me to acknowledge my limitations for once.

[Mark]

Interesting formulation Music.

While I agree with you that Christ Consciousness was hijacked by Saul-who-became-Paul of Tarsus and the Elders led by Constantine at Nicea I must say that the first movie of the Matrix trilogy was pure and it was the philosophical psycho-babble of the second and third that exhibited the most clear example of faux-illumined twiddle-twaddle. The very first Matrix movie was based upon Sophia Stewerts book, "The One", which is actually a physical manifestation of "As Above, So Below" and corresponds to the reality that certain individuals can do things that others can't. Taken to an extreme, the existence of an individual like Neo within the human collective at some point in time is statistically inevitable.

The end of the first movie also reinforced this idea with the speech Neo gave to those he 'saved' or helped escape from the Matrix and was further highlighted in the Animatrix, most especially "Flight of the Phoenix" and the one about "the kid", who committed suicide to escape the Matrix.

[Shadowman]

neo = eon = ONE


Neo (symbolizing humanities egoic state, the relatively new/neo man, who fell from grace/into the Matrix or illusion, after eating from/identifying with, the tree of knowledge/artificial intelligence/mind)

after an eon (symbolizing many incarnations/ also the inclusion of time within the One)

realizes he is actually the ONE (symbolizing Awakening/Self Realization/Heaven).


The AI which rules the Matrix (symbolizing mind) attempts to postpone this Awakening on a large scale, symbolized by Neo’s passport/freedom being cancelled on Sept 11 2001. Or, if you prefer, is symbolized by those who planned to crash an airliner into the WTC in the TV show The Lone Gunman, which aired on Mar 4th 2001, 191 days prior to 911.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxW79CwSK9M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3WW6eoLcLI

The opposite to real love ie unconditional love, is not hate, but fear. Such fear arises from identification with the body/mind. In order to transcend fear, Neo learn’s from the child Buddha (unless ye become as little children...) that in order to bend the spoon, he must realize that there is no spoon, (or body, or mind or any other separate object) - all is his Self.

As you gaze into the spoon, so the spoon gazes into you, until the reflection merges with the source...

http://thespoonspace.yolasite.com/resources/photo_movieMatrix-quoteSpoon.jpeg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAXtO5dMqEI

just my take/two cents

Cheers/Namaste
tim

[music]

I would say the subtlties of the first Matrix film were lost to the broader populace, while images and soundbites that promote the separation myth have become a kind of cultural shorthand.

Imagine a child carelessly dropping a toy when presented with a superior one. Imagine the realisation that "I" am "the one". Imagine how effortlessly that drops away when we realise that we are one.

To know Love, begin with that child within who cried with regret for the dropped toy. Comfort and nurture that child, unconditionally accept that child, Love that child.

[WhiteFeather]

i'm sorry

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Help!
I was raised without any religion, without obedience and commands.
Instead there was much love and compassion and a lot of common sense.

Am I going to burn in hell now, RedeZra ?

You made me think of this...... from your Hell statement.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwVUyToN5Rg