So you reckon you are not programmed?

[Tony]

So you reckon you are not programmed?

If people are being programmed, how far do you think it goes?
“Well, all the others certainly are , but not me!” Will probably be the thought at the back of the mind.

The problem with even identifying the cause of being programmed is reacting to it. Reacting to the programming, IS part of the programming! It keeps us focused on it, by fighting it.

Of course that is if you actually notice it, while it's happening. If programming is going on, it has to be like the television, addictive to watch and scrambles your brain at the same time.
A bit like forums!

The whole point is to misdirect your attention, like hypnotism, or neuro-linguistic programming. Remember it's going on all the time, so you will not notice it, and it's been going on since you were born. Your parents even helped in this programming, as they were. You are probably doing it to your children. I know where I live, people are totally programmed, especially by 'class' consciousness, even in my own family!

Is it starting to get scary?

If you think you are free of it, think again, or rather, don't! This programming if it exists, is even woven into our language, any language. It's in media, culture, arts, music, sport, eating, drugs, religion, and especially chats down at the pub!

Most of it is entertaining trivia! And you think you are here to enjoy the experience?

All of it is meant to keep us unfocused, not mindful and unaware. It is so clever that it, it makes you believe what you want to believe! Actually that is just a maintaining program. We get information fed to us by whistle blowers, predictions, insiders and all sorts of tit bits, bit by bit, just at the right time. These are just to keep us addicted, and on edge.

How many words and phrases have popped into your vocabulary, and is now 'second' nature?

We actually pour this information onto the forums ourselves, this is part of the programming.
How easy is it for you to stop? Always be aware of 'Barnum statements', these are ambiguous set phrases. they lure you into believing something.... 'catch' phrases!

The trick is to drop out of the system now and again, or altogether! Do something different. Stop reading this now and go....................?!

Recognise your:juggle: insanity,
Tony

[delfine]

The only answer is to go beyond the mind...

[Tony]

You are completely correct!

[ViralSpiral]

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[geoff]

'Programming and reprogramming the human bio computer' by John Lilly.

http://www.amazon.com/Programming-Human-Biocomputer-John-Lilly/dp/1579510655

Gurdjieff said this in 1916!

"Contemporary culture require automatons. And people are undoubtedly losing their acquired habits of independence and turning into automatons, into parts of machines. It is impossible to say where is the end of all this and where the way out— or whether there is an end and a way out. One thing alone is certain, that man's slavery grows and increases. Man is becoming a willing slave. He no longer needs chains. He begins to grow fond of his slavery, to be proud of it. And this is the most terrible thing that can happen to a man."
"Everything I have said till now I have said about the whole of humanity. But as I pointed out before, the evolution of humanity can proceed only through the evolution of a certain group, which, in its turn, will influence and lead the rest of humanity."

[Tony]

We pour stuff onto forums, without verifying them, so we become part of someone else's dream.

We are free to rebel..? Free will is investigating one's own mind, and actually using free will, and describe what you see.
Repeating someone else's words, is someone else's story. Until we can honestly talk to one another, we will just continue
going round is circle, with wishful thinking, or Barnum statement!

Are these forums any different from a year ago?


About Barnum statements.
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[truth4me]

Very interesting thread.......I believe I've been programmed to think it is an interesting thread because I think it's an interesting thread. Well, I think I need to go outside and get some air.....

[9eagle9]

No the collective (the forums) are no different than they were a year ago. Or ten years ago. All this 'news' was 'news' a decade ago.

Programming is very much a protected species now.

In spite of that ...

Some few individuals are different, or becoming least condition-able, and are becoming least conditionable still. The act of coming into self realization is very much a shedding off process, not assuming more programs. Those who are becoming least conditonable, are certainly reviewed as Rebellers when one doesn't fall into alignment with their story.

The first step taken on self awareness is "I am programmed."

"I do have an ego."

The first step to reclaiming one's self is self admission. You can't give away what you don't own. You can give away what you do own.

[Eagle Eye]

I would like the word "created " the most. We are created to live in a complex reality and with perfect universal laws.

[9eagle9]

Perfect meaning intact? Universal laws, which lend to creation, are simple. And very much perfect and intact.

Complexities come from the programming we have had imposed on us to distract from perfect (intact) or rather whole laws. People create complex stories around expressions of creations. I watch people lock up and guard their inner knowing by arranging a series of entites, angels and gate keepers around it, and for that reason no one needs to wonder why true knowing is seldom expressed. That knowing must be neatly altered with programs before let loose in the world, another illusion created around it to keep the ignorant safe.

The greatest program we have had instilled in us to keep up the illusions of false reality is that we are all the same. That way those who are most ignorant of universal laws are always in the majority.

[SilentFeathers]

…man differs from the animal by the fact that he is a killer; he the only primate that kills and tortures members of his own species without any reason, either biological or economic, and who feels satisfaction in doing so. It is this biologically non-adaptive and non-phylogenetically programmed "malignant" aggression that constitutes the real problem and the danger to man’s existence as a species...The most ample – and horrifying – documentation for seemingly spontaneous forms of destructiveness are on the record of civilized history. The history of war is a report of ruthless and indiscriminate killing and torture, whose victims were men, women, and children. Many of these occurrences give the impression of orgies of destruction, in which neither conventional nor genuinely moral factors had any inhibitory effect…There is hardly a destructive act human imagination could think of that has not been acted out again and again - Erich Fromm (Anatomy of Human Destructiveness)

Note: I would have to say that we are "programmed" to some extent :)

[ljwheat]

So you reckon you are not programmed?

If people are being programmed, how far do you think it goes?
“Well, all the others certainly are , but not me!” Will probably be the thought at the back of the mind.

The problem with even identifying the cause of being programmed is reacting to it. Reacting to the programming, IS part of the programming! It keeps us focused on it, by fighting it.

Of course that is if you actually notice it, while it's happening. If programming is going on, it has to be like the television, addictive to watch and scrambles your brain at the same time.
A bit like forums!

The whole point is to misdirect your attention, like hypnotism, or neuro-linguistic programming. Remember it's going on all the time, so you will not notice it, and it's been going on since you were born. Your parents even helped in this programming, as they were. You are probably doing it to your children. I know where I live, people are totally programmed, especially by 'class' consciousness, even in my own family!

Is it starting to get scary?

If you think you are free of it, think again, or rather, don't! This programming if it exists, is even woven into our language, any language. It's in media, culture, arts, music, sport, eating, drugs, religion, and especially chats down at the pub!

Most of it is entertaining trivia! And you think you are here to enjoy the experience?

All of it is meant to keep us unfocused, not mindful and unaware. It is so clever that it, it makes you believe what you want to believe! Actually that is just a maintaining program. We get information fed to us by whistle blowers, predictions, insiders and all sorts of tit bits, bit by bit, just at the right time. These are just to keep us addicted, and on edge.

How many words and phrases have popped into your vocabulary, and is now 'second' nature?

We actually pour this information onto the forums ourselves, this is part of the programming.
How easy is it for you to stop? Always be aware of 'Barnum statements', these are ambiguous set phrases. they lure you into believing something.... 'catch' phrases!

The trick is to drop out of the system now and again, or altogether! Do something different. Stop reading this now and go....................?!

Recognise your:juggle: insanity,
Tony

Thank you for the tap on the shoulder. The alarm clock that wakens us from sleep walking with the matrix needs to be set to go off more often.

And your right about the forums, by shifting or taking the place of another program. Swapping one addiction for another. Only with a forum are we able to tap each other on the shoulder occasionally, with kind words to awaken us gently from this sleep walking we have been in cased in or trance.

The forum interactions in this manner are vital and render a great service to this so called awakening. 2/3 rd s of all the awakened ones are sleep walking, both feet firmly planted in this world, not to many walk silent in meditation, servant to the monks code of here and now silent solitude. We need teacher's to help us stay awake.

Now that we understand the hypnotic trance the beast has kept us in, breaking the trance or stair the beast has on us, is the job of the sage, prophets, way seer’s, not caught in this trance to keep tapping us on the shoulder more and more. that’s the job we signed up for, when were not caught in that trance ourselves, there are none that are totally awake from the blanket of sleep walking.

I am glad you decided to come back to us, in this way.
Much of the forum is sleep walking with the beast as its main topic. The beast has many faces, and as many attributes, to draw the renewed gaze of even the awakened. The head with all those snakes coming out of every avalible possible direction will turn one back into stone, if we were not here to be the ones to tap people on the shoulder. We are not walking amongst statues yet. Lets keep it that way.

Holding the space of the alarm clock, the subtle tap on the shoulder for those here:- You have always held the torch high for more people to follow than you can ever know, not too blow smoke up your but, just to let you know - that you hold the light in a very dark room. When there are two the torch burns brighter, and you are not alone in this quest. Thinking your not needed here is falling back under the gaze of the beast. and your sword of truth is needed more then ever.

The first 5 minuets of this torch carrier’s message is the light the beast doesn’t want the masses to view, Deepak is only the sages voice that taps us on the shoulder yet again, have a listen. John xxx

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[Eram]

~Lou Baldin~ says that E.D. beings not of the Universe are creating all the experiences (thoughts, emotions feelings etc) that we humans have, so in a way we are programmed, no matter what.

~Neal Donald Walsch~ says in his books 'a Strange conversation with God': God created the universes to experience it's self existentially in all it's ways and possibilities through us, so there is another way in which we are programmed to some extend.

Maybe the Whole Universe lights up like a light bulb, when an entity has a real original thought.


I see what you mean, even about spending time on the forum.

What works for me is to take a walk in nature every now and then (daily mostly) and clear my mind and exercise 'let all that is be', to get me out of programmed mind situations.


Anyway... great thread 'once again'

[gripreaper]

I'm not programmed. I'm enlightened, awake, aware, cognizant, in touch, and progressive. I see the big picture, know why I am here and where I am going. I know where I came from and why. I understand the nature of consciousness and what wisdom and knowledge means, and how to access my higher self and be in balance with nature in the universe.

This is a program,right?

[9eagle9]

Sometimes, yes. Not that you are personally programmed in such a fashion , I know that I am awakening, aware (of a lot not everything) in touch and I'm continuing ot be progressive. I know this because I'm experiencing this.

Some people just say it because they 'think' it. Somebody put a new thought (program) in their head and said they were enlightened, it wasn't anything that came by their own endeavors. Deciding by thought that one is enlightened is not the same as 'being' enlightened. People who fall into this trap are not in expression or by giving of any evidence of any of these things. "Thinking' they are enlightened keeps them from being anything but.

Awareness manifests in one's one life and can be evidence of state of awakening.

If one knows what I mean.


I'm not programmed. I'm enlightened, awake, aware, cognizant, in touch, and progressive. I see the big picture, know why I am here and where I am going. I know where I came from and why. I understand the nature of consciousness and what wisdom and knowledge means, and how to access my higher self and be in balance with nature in the universe.

This is a program,right?

[Heartsong]

Program: Flowers good; Weeds bad; Plant flowers, pull weeds.

[ljwheat]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttwVRNlXPoI

Fundamental premise in science = The accentual nature of the physical world is that, it is not physical. The accentual nature of the material world is that its not, material. The accentual stuff of the universe is none stuff. Everything is subatomic particles, vibrating so fast our minds can not see or grasp the endless spaces between each vibration going on and off. Between each ON - there is an off. At blurring speeds our minds leave out the off. And we only see or perceive the constant elusions of the ON. Looking threw "stuff" as if it were invisible, yet with the outline of its references or foot print. Like picking up a solid steel ball that ways twenty pounds, but if this same steel ball were mad of honey comb spaces in side that you couldn’t see. It would only way a couple ounces. Learning to look at stuff in this manner as non stuff, as only a goast of its self. It would seam is now our quest. A way of looking at the "Off" that gives the "On" life. A tall order when, threw out our lives, 100% has been devoted to the "ON" switch a very long time indeed. John xxx

[ViralSpiral]

I'm not programmed. I'm enlightened, awake, aware, cognizant, in touch, and progressive. I see the big picture, know why I am here and where I am going. I know where I came from and why. I understand the nature of consciousness and what wisdom and knowledge means, and how to access my higher self and be in balance with nature in the universe.

This is a program,right?

Thanks








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[Tarka the Duck]

If you think you are awake, you are still dreaming.
When you know you are dreaming, you are awake.

[Tony]

The message above was me......!
We sometimes forget to log out, as we sometimes use the same machine.

Tony

[RMorgan]

Hey Tony,

I believe there are different stages of dreaming.

When you sleep and dream a regular dream, it looks pretty real, you can touch things, feel things, smell the air, but it´s just a dream; it´s individual and not shared by others.

Now, "real life" is just like a dream, the big difference is that it´s a shared dream, everyone participating and interacting with the same dream, but we still perceive ourselves as individuals.

Following this logic, if "real life" is a dream and if it´s somewhat possible to wake up from this dream, the next stage would be a collective notion of reality, where we directly perceive ourselves as a collective, not as individuals.

To be honest, the very notion of character, individualism and personality, is created by conditioning.

All of us have considerably more things in common than specific individual characteristics, so we are pretty much the same.

If we use a computer metaphor, our brain is hardware and our personality is the software.

The difference between our software and a regular computer software is that ours is constantly recreating itself, based on the circumstances that you live in.

So, to achieve the original state of mind, where no programming has been applied to your mind is pretty much an utopia.

I believe we are not only programmed, but completely domesticated.

We can´t ignore the fact that any species biologically evolves according to the necessities imposed by the circumstances and environments.

There clearly is a point of no return, when a species can not go back to it´s original state, after and extended period of programming and domestication.

Wolves and Dogs are pretty much the same animals. However, the dog has been domesticated for such a long time, that whenever you release a dog in nature, it doesn´t have the necessary skills to survive by itself, differently from a wolf.

In my opinion, the same happens to us, humans. We´ve been programmed and "domesticated" for such a long time and so intensively, that we´re no longer able to live without external programming or going back to our original state of mind.

Each of us builds its own character and become very attached to it. Letting this character or persona go is practicably impossible, for it would require the complete dissolution of individuality.

That´s why any of us can´t answer simple questions like "who are you", without giving fragmented answers like "I´m an engineer/architect/lawyer; I´m 28/50/56 years old, I like reading/beer/helicopters, etc...".

Our minds are like patchworks, made of millions of patches. Finding out what it was before the very existence of the first patch is very unlikely to happen.

Believe me, my friends, I´ve been in an intensive process of unlearning for a long time and I intend to keep working on this process until the day I die.

However, since I have to learn to live, to evolve as a human being, unlearning and learning, at the same time, is just an absurd paradox!

Which one is more beautiful, a blank paper sheet or a paper filled with the most amazing drawing masterpiece? That´s the question.

Both options are equally beautiful. One is full, the other is empty; they can´t coexist without affecting each other.

Which one is the better artist, the one who makes a magnificent drawing on the paper, or the one who would rather keeping both paper and his art immaculate, knowing that any attempt to bring his art to reality in the form of a drawing would be impossible, without corrupting it?

Which task is harder, to achieve a beautifully empty mind or to perfectly construct and accumulate the perfect content to fill the mind?

Hard questions mate...hard ones...

Cheers,

Raf.

[Borden]

Tony, for God's sake don't show us Derren Brown and Richard Dawkins! These lovely guys have just fallen into another program! Stuff that.

[SilentFeathers]

Interesting perspective Raf....

It makes me wonder about the masterpiece that we all paint together as a family/species on a collective level, the collective reality that we all live in together.....the giant sheet of paper that seems to be full of scribble marks for the most part right now because too many are caught up in their own little realities or caught up in the realities of another and have lost sight of the bigger picture, our family portrait.....

While we sit around and brag about or argue about if the GFL or other less important scenarios that may or may not exist, (individual or small group realities) we forget about the bigger picture, and become very irresponsible to the collective reality that we all depend on to survive in and things go to hell in a hand-basket so to speak. thus as I said in an earlier post, we become our own worst enemies......

I agree that we all create our own little realities of what we think and want to believe, through experiences or just delusional thinking to some extent, but nothing changes the fact or eliminates the collective reality that we all live in together as one family.

It's as if we as a family/species lost our paint brush and or forgot about the picture or piece of art that we must create together in order to survive or in the least be healthy in a healthy environment, we falsely presume that our individual little realities are more important than the collective reality in which all these individual realities exist in.......and the day is quickly coming in which we may actually become extinct for being so foolish and backwards.......

[Maia Gabrial]

I believe we are programmed the moment we're born. Do this. Do that. In some way, you get punished if you don't do as you're told.... So, it definitely begins early....

When you start having those feelings of emptiness that there's more to life, that's an awakening, don't you think? Much is hidden from us, but are still a part of us. It's just that some haven't discovered them yet.... I truly believe that because of these times, we're learning much about ourselves. I think the Divine has decreed it....
We may not be able to hear the voices of our Higher Selves, but they definitely hear us. Nothing happens to us that the Higher Self doesn't approve of. It's all about experiencing for them.... When they're finished, so are we... IMO.

[westhill]

I find it funny we are talking about programming using the very words/definitions that have been "placed" into us.
The only real time we transcend this programming is through the aesthetic experience when we are awe-struck
(speechless/off-line). Often a moment way too brief and rare...

[deridan]

AAAA
To be honest, the very notion of character, individualism and personality, is created by conditioning.

All of us have considerably more things in common than specific individual characteristics, so we are pretty much the same.

If we use a computer metaphor, our brain is hardware and our personality is the software.

The difference between our software and a regular computer software is that ours is constantly recreating itself, based on the circumstances that you live in.

So, to achieve the original state of mind, where no programming has been applied to your mind is pretty much an utopia.


>>>>>>>>
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I believe we are not only programmed, but completely domesticated.

We can´t ignore the fact that any species biologically evolves according to the necessities imposed by the circumstances and environments.

There clearly is a point of no return, when a species can not go back to it´s original state, after and extended period of programming and domestication.

Wolves and Dogs are pretty much the same animals. However, the dog has been domesticated for such a long time, that whenever you release a dog in nature, it doesn´t have the necessary skills to survive by itself, differently from a wolf.

In my opinion, the same happens to us, humans. We´ve been programmed and "domesticated" for such a long time and so intensively, that we´re no longer able to live without external programming or going back to our original state of mind.

Each of us builds its own character and become very attached to it. Letting this character or persona go is practicably impossible, for it would require the complete dissolution of individuality.

That´s why any of us can´t answer simple questions like "who are you", without giving fragmented answers like "I´m an engineer/architect/lawyer; I´m 28/50/56 years old, I like reading/beer/helicopters, etc...".

Our minds are like patchworks, made of millions of patches. Finding out what it was before the very existence of the first patch is very unlikely to happen.


Raf.

thanx Raf, excellent workup
A- shhh, if they know, it will kill something in them,
i think it is part of our identity in this humanity communally that we each have a strong sense of individuality,
if it was the communal mindset first or a realization of really absent walls (that is we are not individual, just the same), then we'd be a different specie, (hivemindish almost)...
i see it as a requisite achieved, and not a good thing to troubleshoot when we realize the really aberrant part of us [the tpt b/w]

B- when it comes to this apparent domestication,
let us remember Abraham Maslow's pyramid of needs:
we've spent a long time desiring to be here, so-that in the here we have clarity to focus on our next goals. (sorry, can't identify with the dog, side with the wolf, or least it be a man to kill than a rottweiler, or another dog, then a am.pitbull)

...the truly brainwashed, would never even come to recognize such,
and those that do, make it a forte to deprogram anything of sheepleness they find inthemselves (i was stimulated in my spiritual journey of the same when i found that bruce lee spent much time in the same deconstructive construction,....finding what is or what expresses, and then logically postulating what to replace it with).

[The One]

Maybe you were programmed to write this thread my friend