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Tony
16th June 2012, 16:33
Can stretching the truth become a lie?

To lie is to hold something which one knows is not the whole truth to be the whole truth, intentionally.

Classification

Bad faith
Main article: Bad faith (existentialism)
As defined by Sartre, "bad faith" is lying to oneself. Specifically, it is failing to acknowledge one's own ability to act and determine one's possibilities, falling back on the determinations of the various historical and current totalisations which have produced one as if they relieved one of one's freedom to do so.

Barefaced lie
A barefaced (or bald-faced) lie is one that is obviously a lie to those hearing it. The phrase comes from 17th-century British usage referring to those without facial hair as being seen as particularly forthright and outwardly honest, and therefore more likely to get away with telling a significant lie. A variation that has been in use almost as long is bold-faced lie, referring to a lie told with a straight and confident face (hence "bold-faced"), usually with the corresponding tone of voice and emphatic body language of one confidently speaking the truth. Bold-faced lie can also refer to misleading or inaccurate newspaper headlines, but this usage appears to be a more recent appropriation of the term.[1]

Big Lie
Main article: Big Lie
A lie which attempts to trick the victim into believing something major which will likely be contradicted by some information the victim already possesses, or by their common sense. When the lie is of sufficient magnitude it may succeed due to the victim's reluctance to believe that an untruth on such a grand scale would indeed be concocted.

Bluffing
To bluff is to pretend to have a capability or intention one does not actually possess. Bluffing is an act of deception that is rarely seen as immoral when it takes place in the context of a game, such as poker, where this kind of deception is consented to in advance by the players. For instance, a gambler who deceives other players into thinking he has different cards to those he really holds, or an athlete who hints he will move left and then dodges right is not considered to be lying (also known as a feint or juke). In these situations, deception is acceptable and is commonly expected as a tactic.

Bull****
Main article: Bull****
Bull**** does not necessarily have to be a complete fabrication; with only basic knowledge about a topic, bull**** is often used to make the audience believe that one knows far more about the topic by feigning total certainty or making probable predictions. It may also merely be "filler" or nonsense that, by virtue of its style or wording, gives the impression that it actually means something.

Butler lie
A term coined by researchers in Cornell University's Social Media Lab that describes small/innate lies which are usually sent electronically, and are used to terminate conversations or to save face. For example sending an SMS to someone reading "I have to go, the waiter is here" when you are not at a restaurant is an example of a butler lie. [2]

Contextual lie
One can state part of the truth out of context, knowing that without complete information, it gives a false impression. Likewise, one can actually state accurate facts, yet deceive with them. To say "Yeah, that's right, I ate all the white chocolate, by myself," utilizing a sarcasm that is a form of assertion by ridiculing the fact(s) implying the liar believes it to be preposterous.

Economy with the truth
Main article: Economy with the truth
Economy with the truth is popularly used as a euphemism for deceit, whether by volunteering false information (i.e., lying) or by deliberately holding back relevant facts. More literally, it describes a careful use of facts so as not to reveal too much information, as in speaking carefully.

Emergency lie
An emergency lie is a strategic lie told when the truth may not be told because, for example, harm to a third party would result. For example, a neighbor might lie to an enraged wife about the whereabouts of her unfaithful husband, because said wife might reasonably be expected to inflict physical injury should she encounter her husband in person. Alternatively, an emergency lie could denote a (temporary) lie told to a second person because of the presence of a third.

Exaggeration
Main article: Exaggeration
An exaggeration (or hyperbole) occurs when the most fundamental aspects of a statement are true, but only to a certain degree. It is also seen as "stretching the truth" or making something appear more powerful, meaningful, or real than it actually is.

Fabrication
A fabrication is a lie told when someone submits a statement as truth, without knowing for certain whether or not it actually is true. Although the statement may be possible or plausible, it is not based on fact. Rather, it is something made up, or it is a misrepresentation of the truth. Examples of fabrication: A person giving directions to a tourist when the person doesn't actually know the directions. Often propaganda is fabrication.

Fib
A fib is a lie told with no malicious intent and little consequence. Unlike a White lie, fibs rarely include those lies or omissions that are meant to do good.

Haystack answer
A haystack answer (or statement) is a volume of false or irrelevant information, possibly containing a true fact (the needle in the "haystack"). Even if the truth is included, it is difficult or impossible to detect and identify. In this way, the legendary Leprechaun hid his pot of gold,[3] even after it had been found.

Jocose lie
Jocose (cf. jocular) lies are lies meant in jest, intended to be understood as such by all present parties. Teasing and irony are examples. A more elaborate instance is seen in some storytelling traditions, where the humor comes from the storyteller's insistence that the story is the absolute truth, despite all evidence to the contrary (i.e., tall tale). There is debate about whether these are "real" lies, and different philosophers hold different views (see below).
The Crick Crack Club in London organize a yearly "Grand Lying Contest" with the winner being awarded the coveted "Hodja Cup" (named for the Mulla Nasreddin: "The truth is something I have never spoken."). The winner in 2010 was Hugh Lupton.

Lie-to-children
Main article: Lie-to-children
A lie-to-children is a lie, often a platitude, which may use euphemism(s), which is told to make an adult subject acceptable to children. Common examples include "The stork brought you" (in reference to childbirth) and the existence of Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy or the Easter Bunny.

Lying by omission
Also known as a continuing misrepresentation, a lie by omission occurs when an important fact is left out in order to foster a misconception. Lying by omission includes failures to correct pre-existing misconceptions. When the seller of a car declares it has been serviced regularly but does not tell that a fault was reported at the last service, the seller lies by omission.

Lying in trade
The seller of a product or service may advertise untrue facts about the product or service in order to gain sales, especially by competitive advantage. Many countries and states have enacted consumer protection laws intended to combat such fraud. An example is the Illinois Consumer Fraud and Deceptive Business Practices Act that holds a seller liable for omission of any material fact that the buyer relies upon.

Lying through your teeth
When one lies face-to-face with the intended recipient. This also may be an expression describing the act of lying with a smile or other patronizing tone or body language.

Minimisation
Main article: Minimisation (psychology)
Minimisation is the opposite of exaggeration. It is a type of deception[4] involving denial coupled with rationalisation in situations where complete denial is implausible.

Misleading and dissembling
Main article: Misleading
A misleading statement is one where there is no outright lie, but still retains the purpose of getting someone to believe in an untruth. "Dissembling" likewise describes the presentation of facts in a way that is literally true, but intentionally misleading.

Noble lie
Main article: Noble lie
A noble lie is one that would normally cause discord if uncovered, but offers some benefit to the liar and assists in an orderly society, therefore, potentially beneficial to others. It is often told to maintain law, order and safety.

Perjury
Main article: Perjury
Perjury is the act of lying or making verifiably false statements on a material matter under oath or affirmation in a court of law, or in any of various sworn statements in writing. Perjury is a crime, because the witness has sworn to tell the truth and, for the credibility of the court to remain intact, witness testimony must be relied on as truthful.

Polite lie
Main article: Polite lie
A polite lie is a lie that a politeness standard requires, and which is usually known to be untrue by both parties. Whether such lies are acceptable is heavily dependent on culture. A common polite lie in international etiquette is to decline invitations because of "scheduling difficulties".

Puffery
Main article: Puffery
Puffery is an exaggerated claim typically found in advertising and publicity announcements, such as "the highest quality at the lowest price," or "always votes in the best interest of all the people." Such statements are unlikely to be true - but cannot be proven false and so do not violate trade laws, especially as the consumer is expected to be able to tell that it is not the absolute truth.

View from Nowhere
Main article: View from Nowhere
The View from Nowhere refers to journalism and analysis that misinform the audience by creating the impression that opposing parties to an issue have equal correctness and validity, even when the truth of their claims are mutually exclusive.

White lie
"White lie" redirects here. For other uses, see White lies (disambiguation).
White lies are minor lies which could be considered to be harmless, or even beneficial, in the long term. White lies are also considered to be used for greater good. A common version of a white lie is to tell only part of the truth, therefore not be suspected of lying, yet also conceal something else, in order to avoid awkward questions.

Consequences
Once a lie has been told, there can be two alternative consequences: it may be discovered or remain undiscovered.
Under some circumstances, discovery of a lie may discredit other statements by the same speaker and can lead to social or legal sanctions against the speaker, such as ostracizing or conviction for perjury. When a lie is discovered, the state of mind and behavior of the lie teller (liar) is no longer predictable.
The discoverer of a lie may also be convinced or coerced to collaborate with the liar, becoming part of a conspiracy. They may actively propagate the lie to other parties, actively prevent the lie's discovery by other parties, or simply omit publicizing the lie (a secondary lie of omission).

mosquito
17th June 2012, 05:24
Bloody hell, I didn't know there were so many different types of lies !!

Thanks Tony, and in answer to your question - yes !! ;)

Tony
17th June 2012, 07:09
Sometimes we exaggerate a situation, sort blow it out of proportion. So then that is not the whole truth, and if it is done intentionally to back our view,
then unfortunately according to the above definition.....it is a lie!


Do video games and forums have the same fantasy addiction?

Both of these activities rely to some degree on fantasy. They both rely on something put up on a screen for people to interact with. The video games are an obvious fantasy, with war type games telling you who the baddies are, and you are the goody! Like corn syrup they are addictive.

Forums have videos and text put up on a screen, also for people to interact with. They are not so obviously fantasies, but much of it is hearsay, and it not verifiable. They tell us about the baddies, which by implication, makes us the goodies. Like corn syrup this too is addictive!

A fantasy is a lie, for entertainment value...or something else!

markpierre
17th June 2012, 08:31
But all of those are legal right? Depending on whose side you're on?

Tony
17th June 2012, 09:58
Part of a season of healing!:peace:

Defending a lie.

As in a previous thread we have to define what a lie is:
To lie is to hold something which one knows is not the whole truth to be the whole truth, intentionally.

There are two important points here: 'knowing not to be the whole truth' and 'intentionally'.
The first point - 'knowing not to be the whole truth' - is knowing that we are partial, knowing that it is not the complete truth.

So here, one might say, “Well, I believe it to be true.” A belief is not knowing, and there is a glaring mistake. We run our lives on belief systems that we do not know to be true. Most of what is in our minds is...hearsay, which we may believe to be true.

The second point is, 'intentionally'. Nobody (well, hardly anyone) wants to tell a lie, or be thought of as lying. Because we believe in what we think is true, we will not be totally confident in it, which will make us feel vulnerable. This a problem, at a very subtle level, but we choose not to see that we have a problem, because that would negate everything we think...so we defend it!

It is now my truth, my reality. So in order to make this work, as it is not complete (whole), we may bend it a little - exaggerate it.

Hold on tightly to our reality will cause us to react defensively, often in an aggressive manner.

All this because of a lie!

As we are all sentient beings (having a mind) we are subject to a deluded view of reality – my belief! As has been discussed on other threads, this false “I” image has, in fact, no reality.

So anything less than realising your true nature, is in fact a mistake...a lie!
The reason we get upset is because others do not believe our lie.

It all becomes a chain of events, which ends up in another explosion - everyone reacts the explosion, and ignores the causes. This chain of events is called in Sanskrit, Samsara – the vicious cycle of existence.

Tony

turiya
17th June 2012, 13:28
Its actually much more simple than that...

Open your mouth, and say something, anything at all - it is not the Truth. It may be factual, but it cannot be the Truth.
Simply put: All words are lies!

Any attempt to put the Truth into words makes it come out a lie - turiya


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Tony
17th June 2012, 14:58
Its actually much more simple than that...

Open your mouth, and say something, anything at all - it is not the Truth. It may be factual, but it cannot be the Truth.
Simply put: All words are lies!

Any attempt to put the Truth into words makes it come out a lie - turiya


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This is true, but with compassion come skilful means. We live in a relative world with others, and have to find a skilful way to communicate, but that only goes so far.

Maybe we cannot actually love, but still the intention is appreciated!

Tony

turiya
17th June 2012, 16:00
Its actually much more simple than that...

Open your mouth, and say something, anything at all - it is not the Truth. It may be factual, but it cannot be the Truth.
Simply put: All words are lies!

Any attempt to put the Truth into words makes it come out a lie - turiya


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This is true, but with compassion come skilful means. We live in a relative world with others, and have to find a skilful way to communicate, but that only goes so far.

Maybe we cannot actually love, but still the intention is appreciated!

Tony

Ah, well said, pie'n'eal.
Perhaps, the intention, if known, would be enough.

As we move up in frequency through the rest of 2012, and into 2013 (as Chris Thomas has spoken of) we all will be able to access the truth of the matter directly. Hence, the end to falling into the pitfalls that are so often generated by the misunderstandings created by words in language.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZzkdnSYDZ4&feature=player_embedded#t=1995s

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onawah
17th June 2012, 17:02
I like your list, Tony.
I think that if we at least make a point of lying very consciously when we find ourselves feeling compelled to lie, we at least won't fall so much into the trap of defending our lie, but will be better able to detach from our fear of negative consequences, accept what comes gracefully, and have a good laugh at ourselves.:lol: