Jesse Ventura

[conk]

They must be dramatic, as they are playing to a pretty dumbed down audience. Most people's awareness is no where near that of the average Avalon member. Without background and study of these subjects some of the material is so bizarre it cannot be processed.

[Mutchie]

could it be true ?

[angel in disguise]

Maybe Jesse is being used to put all the info out there as isn't that how the ptb work? They use him to put all the info out there, but the acting is so ridiculously awful it lends no credibility to the actual facts and people brush it off as hogwash.

[Sloppyjoe]

I haven't watched CT since season 1 and I feel like it's gotten really staged and over dramatic. I didn't like the part with David Icke, Ventura is clearly attacking him and yet blaming Icke for being offensive. That whole segment was so one-sided I'm surprised Icke didn't get up and leave earlier. Does Ventura really expect him just to bring in a Reptilian for all to show?

[Rex]

Disappointed...

Whether you follow David Icke or not, this show was fully set up against him. Unless I missed the memo, Alex Jones and David Icke have been having a lovefest lately but instead he calls him the "turd in the punchbowl"? They "went there" and showed David Icke's Jesus moment and the 2 million a year money claim. Finishing up, they made David Icke look like a babbling buffoon who couldn't give one straight answer and was backed into a corner like a caged animal.

This did not come off as healthy skepticism. This was a premeditated attack. As Sloppyjoe said, all one-sided.

I'll bet David Icke was originally looking forward to the show. Instead, he got blindsided. He probably realized he had made a serious error in judgement as soon as he saw Jesse walking in.

Face it, Jesse was not open to this from the get-go. He shouldn't have bothered.

And Shawn Stone didn't fair too well either. Does he need this that badly?

update: If I've got this figured out right, the interview was filmed a year ago!

[angel in disguise]

I've seen a shapeshifter... I posted my story when Avalon first started out. I'd like to know how it is that I saw the exact same pixelated form as seen in this clip around the 1:12 mark from the movie Predator which Jesse himself played a role in. MrDsvVKY_d4

[norman]

Either this episode is meant to blow the viewers out and blow the whole series, OR, it's supposed to make the episodes that follow look all the more credible.

Too soon to say, so far.

I definitely get a new 'vibe' from the launch of this series.

Also, Jesse was on the Alex Jones show this week and his tone has changed there too. I'll have to watch Jesse but my first impression, as of this week, is that something's up with him. Maybe he's decided to run for President, or something.

I think this episode was immediately followed by the Bill and Kerry pilot program. Something's fishy about all of this, can't put my finger on it yet.

[Star Tsar]

If you notice David had a laptop with him I think he was ready to show Ventura something but his attitude stunk.
We got to remember Ventura's background apart from the FAKE wrestling (more fooling the people) He is ex military so could have vested interests.
I think Jones used Icke for his money bomb.
Really the end of that show has left a bad taste in my mouth.
And whats with the physical innuendo like "I'm glad I prepared in professional wrestling" & "lucky he didn't say that when I was in the room" what a musclehead!
Just one final point Mr Ventura the "people" running this world my be like you but they are certainly not like me or my Avalonian friends.


K.W.B Snr

:(

[Sidney]

Maybe jesse had to play devils advocate in order to keep his show going. I was very surprised at how he treated David. OR.......Jesse has been taken over by a reptilian.

[onawah]

I was shocked by Ventura's hostile posturing,
When he was talking with Icke, his body language was so extreme, it was more like he was in the wrestling arena or in a combat zone than interviewing a civilian on TV.
He really appeared crazed to me.
I think something or someone has gotten to him.
It made Bill and Kerry look all the more reasonable, grounded and sane, however, and that was certainly a refreshing contrast.
I wonder if TruTV is going to start featuring real Conspiracy Theory now for the awake ones alongside of garbage like that Ventura show for the sheeple.
Quite a strange brew....
Is reality getting even more surreal, or is it just me?: suspicious: :crazy: :dizzy:

[angel in disguise]

Im with you Onawah. Extremely suspicious!!!

[Vrilya]

I agree with you all. I was expecting more from Jesse, it was as through he wanted David to present him with a Reptilian,
He was a "Navy Seal" If he wanted to see one he should have donned a wet suit and went into their lair.......


Blessings and Love Always,

V

[humanalien]

All i seen was jesse trying to get straight answers from
david and david kept running around the questions.

David couldn't give a straight answer because david
doesn't have one. As with everything else in the world, it's
all about making money, not telling the truth.

The question is, do reptilians really exist and the answer
is, no one knows. All we have are others peoples words
that they do exist, with no photo's or video to back it up.

[Maunagarjana]

Either this episode is meant to blow the viewers out and blow the whole series, OR, it's supposed to make the episodes that follow look all the more credible.

Too soon to say, so far.

I definitely get a new 'vibe' from the launch of this series.

Also, Jesse was on the Alex Jones show this week and his tone has changed there too. I'll have to watch Jesse but my first impression, as of this week, is that something's up with him. Maybe he's decided to run for President, or something.

I think this episode was immediately followed by the Bill and Kerry pilot program. Something's fishy about all of this, can't put my finger on it yet.


I'd give serious thought to voting for Jesse Ventura for President. Though it would feel strange voting for a former wrestler for President, someone who I grew up watching on TV. It would kind of make the movie Idiocracy seem prescient if he got elected, as it had a wrestler as the president in that movie. Though that was a much more satirical presentation and not at all how I would expect a President Ventura to behave.

[DeDukshyn]

I find it very "staged". The show often doesn't feel natural, it's like everyone is reading their lines. Apparently David Icke was not impressed by Jesse when he met him. He found him very arrogant

Well ... it IS a TV show that has to get ratings and producer / distributor approval to even be considered on the networks in which it airs. You are correct, and I felt for both David and for Jesse during their falling out, Jesse's pressured for time and budget constraints and has to make some tough decisions sometimes. Recording an hour or two of David for him to properly explain things was never in the cards for Jesse. I'd like to see a more relaxed version of his show though, although I'm sure the networks would find that too "boring" to hold an audience. It's a tricky thing to try to balance, My 2 cents.

[jagman]

I thought the show really stank. If his follow up episodes are this bad it will probably be cancelled. Jesse took a poor attitude into the interview with David
and it really showed. Regardless if you believe David's theories or not you
should try to atleast show a modicum of respect. I'm not a David Icke fan by the way.

[Hervé]

I've seen a shapeshifter... I posted my story when Avalon first started out. I'd like to know how it is that I saw the exact same pixelated form as seen in this clip around the 1:12 mark from the movie Predator which Jesse himself played a role in. MrDsvVKY_d4

Check the PDFs on that thread: Geoengineering, Chemtrails, HAARP,World Orders, Time Lines and Ascension (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?51752-Geoengineering-Chemtrails-HAARP-World-Orders-Time-Lines-and-Ascension) I'll bet you'll find satisfying answers.

[DeDukshyn]

All i seen was jesse trying to get straight answers from
david and david kept running around the questions.

David couldn't give a straight answer because david
doesn't have one. As with everything else in the world, it's
all about making money, not telling the truth.

The question is, do reptilians really exist and the answer
is, no one knows. All we have are others peoples words
that they do exist, with no photo's or video to back it up.

In order to understand David Icke properly - you can't listen him to piecemeal -- you have allow him to explain both a detail and then the bigger picture how that detail relates to everything else. Jesse's show just cannot work in that method -- thus those two elements plainly don't work together.

Jesse's info is hard hitting truth bombs, David needs to lay a foundation of understanding to make you see the bigger picture -- both have their place and are valid - I enjoy both of their contributions, but sometimes the dogs and cats just have too different "playing" style to be able to play together -- even though you may appreciate each just as well on their own .. c'est la vie.

[Flash]

Humanalian, Jessee ask supposedly straight questions that weren't to start with, they were traps and David saw this, but too late.

Second, the topic cannot be answered with direct, one liner answer, it is too complex for this. As you cannot have a carnival zoo with you transporting and showing off reptilians that are suppose in fact to be much more advance than us in technology.


Would you, Humanalian, want to be shown off on a reptilian planet?


what I am trying to say is that in all the presentations I have seen from David Icke, he was quite direct always. That I believe him or not is not the topic, the guy is quite direct usually. I do not see the need to corner him unless there is another agenda underneath, which I suspect Jessee to have had.

This is turning out to be a muscle show with one liners only. Back to usual television for dummies. not impressed.

And not impressed by Alex Jones attitude neither.

[apokalypse]

problem with icke is his information sound abit like an Introduction than actually indept which is why people on mainstream considered him crazy, i'm recent into his material and everytime i'm either bored or fall asleep around with lecture videos.

[Kryztian]

For Avalonians looking for thoughtful answers about the Reptillians, I don't think there is much in this show.

But this does plant a seed out there in the mainstream media. Millions of Americans will at least have hear of this concept of Reptillians and bloodlines for the first time. It is better that the topic is treated with ridicule than with silence.

[Snookie]

All i seen was jesse trying to get straight answers from
david and david kept running around the questions.

David couldn't give a straight answer because david
doesn't have one. As with everything else in the world, it's
all about making money, not telling the truth.

The question is, do reptilians really exist and the answer
is, no one knows. All we have are others peoples words
that they do exist, with no photo's or video to back it up.

I don't believe David has ever claimed to have all the answers. He has said that he is always willing to change his mind when new information is discoverd, as we all should. Thinking we have all the answers is often what gets us in the most trouble.

David has explained that the reason he started talking about reptilians is because he started hearing all these stories from different people who didn't know each other all over the world. I'll admit he has a lot more guts than I do, because if I heard those same things I'd be too chicken to say anything. He had to know that he would be ridiculed for talking about it, yet he was brave enough to do it. Remember David has NEVER claimed to have seen an actual reptilian, he's just reporting what he has been told by others.

[jookyle]

The problem with this show is that it's too much Ventura confronting people rather than providing research on the topic. The information on the show would have much more of an impact if it was more data heavy.

[modwiz]

The problem with this show is that it's too much Ventura confronting people rather than providing research on the topic. The information on the show would have much more of an impact if it was more data heavy.

Not to change the subject, but your avatar, Stalin, killed many more people than Hitler, as did Mao. No one could condone a Hitler avatar and I find Stalin equally repugnant. I know the press hasn't hammered him as badly, but he is one of the major psychopathic, genocidal scumbags of the 20th century. I hope that is data heavy enough for you. Just needed to get that off of my chest.

Perhaps there is a sick joke I am missing. A sick joke is the only kind that can be associated with Stalin.

Good looking man though.

[angel in disguise]

Mind blown... That's all I can come up with at this point.
Still processing this, not sure if I can. Not fully anyhow! Nothing comes close to the phrase 'Stranger than fiction'... Synchronicities do not begin to explain. My brain hurts far too much at the moment. This day too shall pass.
Wowza's... But for this moment, nothing ceases to amaze me anymore. I'm stuck between thoughts about which world I came from, nothing makes sense anymore but at the same time everything does. Normal or not normal... But the question now is... What is normal?... All this ****e is crazy... Movies, mainstream, and now Bill and Kerry are on TV. Icke talking about **** I saw 20 yrs ago when I didn't even know a damn thing about 'real' research until 6 yrs ago.
I'm sorry folks, but I may be experiencing a mental breakdown, or breakthrough, not sure which at this point ;) I'm certain my adventures to Peru having ceremonies with the shamans on Dec 21, 2012 will give me some clarity into the whole thing. Anyone like to join me?

[truth4me]

I've seen the reptilians in the astral realm as a matter of fact ,to me anyway, I was fighting an human looking entity in the astral realm this morning and it's head split open and a reptilian snake head merged from it........I got out fast.

[Flash]

The problem with this show is that it's too much Ventura confronting people rather than providing research on the topic. The information on the show would have much more of an impact if it was more data heavy.

Not to change the subject, but your avatar, Stalin, killed many more people than Hitler, as did Mao. No one could condone a Hitler avatar and I find Stalin equally repugnant. I know the press hasn't hammered him as badly, but he is one of the major psychopathic, genocidal scumbags of the 20th century. I hope that is data heavy enough for you. Just needed to get that off of my chest.

Perhaps there is a sick joke I am missing. A sick joke is the only kind that can be associated with Stalin.

Good looking man though.

He was much worst than Hitler. He deported into killing camps about 30 millions and did full ethnic cleansing of Tatars, Georgians, name it. Jokyle's target must be to have us puke.

[conk]

All i seen was jesse trying to get straight answers from
david and david kept running around the questions.

David couldn't give a straight answer because david
doesn't have one. As with everything else in the world, it's
all about making money, not telling the truth.

The question is, do reptilians really exist and the answer
is, no one knows. All we have are others peoples words
that they do exist, with no photo's or video to back it up.

I saw the exact opposite. I saw an ignorant thug that wouldn't allow David to complete a thought tread. David was trying to tell him that there is a mountain of evidence that must be seriously studied. There may not be a smoking gun, but zillions of information bits add up to a credible story. Ventura completely lost me on the very first show.

[Timewaster]

I do like Jesse, but it did seem as if he was bullying David Icke.
Imo Jesse is a guy who has principals and wouldn't allow himself to be controlled by the PTB, but he couldn't/wouldn't understand what David Icke's message was so in his mind he just labelled him a fraud.

A lot of people say they would vote for Jesse if he was to run for president, but there is 0% chance of him being elected because of his history. The smear campaign his rivals & the ptb would ruin his chances.

The reason? back when Jesse was a wrestler in the early 80's the drug scene was very crazy & a few wrestlers have since told stories about how wild Jesse was. Even Hulk Hogan said that Jesse's nickname was 'the chemist'. Im betting that a few broken down wrestlers from that era would be more than happy to tell there stories to the press about Jesse for a quick buck if he was to ever run for president.
A more positive story from that era about Jesse was that he tried to set up a union for the wrestlers so they weren't living day by day and would be covered in case of injuries, but once the owner of the WWE (Vince Mcmahon who many would consider to be a Reptillian) heard about it, he put a stop to it as it would cost him millions of $

[Peace of Mind]

Remember David has NEVER claimed to have seen an actual reptilian, he's just reporting what he has been told by others.

I’m a bit amazed that more people haven’t found this disturbing. Why promote something you know little about, or had any experience with? Why do people trust him? Is it because he talks with a calm and confident demeanor? Idk. Without facts, substance, physical evidence you have nothing but a strangers words…in which are often designed to hook the disempowered. His followers received nothing but years of fantasy filled tales. Where’s the proof of these so called creatures?

This is how disinfo, false rumors, and propaganda is spread. It saddens me to see people are out here making a living by deceiving people with advertisement of unconfirmed beings, events, etc. Many books sold, many interviews held, many videos viewed, much attention and funding obtained. And all for what? Really, I’m serious? All for what?

Icke was the first person I’ve witness to promote the reptilian tales. His book “Children of the Matrix” had this reptilian theme and much of it was about 12/21/2012. The date was the main thing holding my interest because it gave a timeline to when these claims will manifest themselves. I told many people about his book/s, some people held some interest; many more thought I was crazy. But I kept on pushing the issue on people (mainly close ones) because I felt this stuff was very important for all of us. Now I’m feeling very foolish for doing this because there still isn’t anything to authenticate his claims. People are asking me things like “what ever happen to the reptiles, Nibiru, are we ascending yet?”, the patronizing is getting stronger and I now see these sought of people (Icke) as distracters, plants to further divide the people.

I don’t really want to label them as such but I have no other choice… unless I throw away all of my common sense. Now that 2012 is right around the corner why is most of the talk about 2012 coming to a hush, But, the alien talk is still going on? hmmm.

Maybe the 2012 hype was a way to sucker people in and trap them in lies hopping to get enough people to use their emotional intent to bring about these creatures, via portals. Why not? The idea is no more far fetch than what Icke says himself.

Anyway, I refuse to give too much of my attention to part of something that is no longer a part of the main subject (2012). I smell a set up; something just isn’t right about all of this…

I used to wonder why society was so confused and disorganized. But now I’m starting to see why. Too many of us are blind followers who have absolutely no problem believing in highly speculative tales, or info they can’t verify for themselves. Too many of us have been trained very well to trust in lies. Too many of us live in fear, denial, fantasy land. Too many of us rather believe in Science fiction before believing in self. The gullibility of man seems to have no limit and this is now something I want to remedy. Since I’ve already lost a great deal of time chasing Icke's ghost, I don’t want to see other innocent people fall victim to this wicked trap too, so I will do what I can to prevent it. Unfortunately, the ones appearing to be doing the most damage to society with this stuff isn’t the proprietors at all, but the blind followers spreading the disinfo for them, and these same followers have the nerve to get offended when they are called out on it. I’m not sure if they really know what being offended really feels like? If you catch some ill feelings/ridicule from discussing your radical ideas (or suppose experiences)…then you may not have fully thought about your position, intent, plans through thoroughly. It’s to be expected because humans are logical thinking beings.

I wish nothing bad for anyone and I go through extremes to show this, I just wish these Whistleblowers will have the decency to do the same, especially if they’re saying how important their info is.

Peace

[DeDukshyn]

Remember David has NEVER claimed to have seen an actual reptilian, he's just reporting what he has been told by others.

I’m a bit amazed that more people haven’t found this disturbing. Why promote something you know little about, or had any experience with? Why do people trust him? Is it because he talks with a calm and confident demeanor? Idk. Without facts, substance, physical evidence you have nothing but a strangers words…in which are often designed to hook the disempowered. His followers received nothing but years of fantasy filled tales. Where’s the proof of these so called creatures?

This is how disinfo, false rumors, and propaganda is spread. It saddens me to see people are out here making a living by deceiving people with advertisement of unconfirmed beings, events, etc. Many books sold, many interviews held, many videos viewed, much attention and funding obtained. And all for what? Really, I’m serious? All for what?

Icke was the first person I’ve witness to promote the reptilian tales. His book “Children of the Matrix” had this reptilian theme and much of it was about 12/21/2012. The date was the main thing holding my interest because it gave a timeline to when these claims will manifest themselves. I told many people about his book/s, some people held some interest; many more thought I was crazy. But I kept on pushing the issue on people (mainly close ones) because I felt this stuff was very important for all of us. Now I’m feeling very foolish for doing this because there still isn’t anything to authenticate his claims. People are asking me things like “what ever happen to the reptiles, Nibiru, are we ascending yet?”, the patronizing is getting stronger and I now see these sought of people (Icke) as distracters, plants to further divide the people.

I don’t really want to label them as such but I have no other choice… unless I throw away all of my common sense. Now that 2012 is right around the corner why is most of the talk about 2012 coming to a hush, But, the alien talk is still going on? hmmm.

Maybe the 2012 hype was a way to sucker people in and trap them in lies hopping to get enough people to use their emotional intent to bring about these creatures, via portals. Why not? The idea is no more far fetch than what Icke says himself.

Anyway, I refuse to give too much of my attention to part of something that is no longer a part of the main subject (2012). I smell a set up; something just isn’t right about all of this…

I used to wonder why society was so confused and disorganized. But now I’m starting to see why. Too many of us are blind followers who have absolutely no problem believing in highly speculative tales, or info they can’t verify for themselves. Too many of us have been trained very well to trust in lies. Too many of us live in fear, denial, fantasy land. Too many of us rather believe in Science fiction before believing in self. The gullibility of man seems to have no limit and this is now something I want to remedy. Since I’ve already lost a great deal of time chasing Icke's ghost, I don’t want to see other innocent people fall victim to this wicked trap too, so I will do what I can to prevent it. Unfortunately, the ones appearing to be doing the most damage to society with this stuff isn’t the proprietors at all, but the blind followers spreading the disinfo for them, and these same followers have the nerve to get offended when they are called out on it. I’m not sure if they really know what being offended really feels like? If you catch some ill feelings/ridicule from discussing your radical ideas (or suppose experiences)…then you may not have fully thought about your position, intent, plans through thoroughly. It’s to be expected because humans are logical thinking beings.

I wish nothing bad for anyone and I go through extremes to show this, I just wish these Whistleblowers will have the decency to do the same, especially if they’re saying how important their info is.

Peace

Don't forget, (or research more if needed) that David icke started his career as an investigative journalist and anchorman, and spokesman for the Green Party. It's not like he's just some guy who heard something, from a friend of friend -- the guy was on the inside and has had access to vast resources and people to talk to. You obviously are judging him from a standpoint of limited view.

Stay on the path that feels right for you, there are a billion paths and they all lead to the same place eventually, and each is right for the person that treads it. Just keep in mind there are shortcuts and skipping to new paths is possible at any point.

[gooty64]

I made it to 4:34 that's all I could bear. I'm from Minnesota. Jesse you just lost a supporter. Your show is GARBAGE!

[Peace of Mind]

Remember David has NEVER claimed to have seen an actual reptilian, he's just reporting what he has been told by others.

I’m a bit amazed that more people haven’t found this disturbing. Why promote something you know little about, or had any experience with? Why do people trust him? Is it because he talks with a calm and confident demeanor? Idk. Without facts, substance, physical evidence you have nothing but a strangers words…in which are often designed to hook the disempowered. His followers received nothing but years of fantasy filled tales. Where’s the proof of these so called creatures?

This is how disinfo, false rumors, and propaganda is spread. It saddens me to see people are out here making a living by deceiving people with advertisement of unconfirmed beings, events, etc. Many books sold, many interviews held, many videos viewed, much attention and funding obtained. And all for what? Really, I’m serious? All for what?

Icke was the first person I’ve witness to promote the reptilian tales. His book “Children of the Matrix” had this reptilian theme and much of it was about 12/21/2012. The date was the main thing holding my interest because it gave a timeline to when these claims will manifest themselves. I told many people about his book/s, some people held some interest; many more thought I was crazy. But I kept on pushing the issue on people (mainly close ones) because I felt this stuff was very important for all of us. Now I’m feeling very foolish for doing this because there still isn’t anything to authenticate his claims. People are asking me things like “what ever happen to the reptiles, Nibiru, are we ascending yet?”, the patronizing is getting stronger and I now see these sought of people (Icke) as distracters, plants to further divide the people.

I don’t really want to label them as such but I have no other choice… unless I throw away all of my common sense. Now that 2012 is right around the corner why is most of the talk about 2012 coming to a hush, But, the alien talk is still going on? hmmm.

Maybe the 2012 hype was a way to sucker people in and trap them in lies hopping to get enough people to use their emotional intent to bring about these creatures, via portals. Why not? The idea is no more far fetch than what Icke says himself.

Anyway, I refuse to give too much of my attention to part of something that is no longer a part of the main subject (2012). I smell a set up; something just isn’t right about all of this…

I used to wonder why society was so confused and disorganized. But now I’m starting to see why. Too many of us are blind followers who have absolutely no problem believing in highly speculative tales, or info they can’t verify for themselves. Too many of us have been trained very well to trust in lies. Too many of us live in fear, denial, fantasy land. Too many of us rather believe in Science fiction before believing in self. The gullibility of man seems to have no limit and this is now something I want to remedy. Since I’ve already lost a great deal of time chasing Icke's ghost, I don’t want to see other innocent people fall victim to this wicked trap too, so I will do what I can to prevent it. Unfortunately, the ones appearing to be doing the most damage to society with this stuff isn’t the proprietors at all, but the blind followers spreading the disinfo for them, and these same followers have the nerve to get offended when they are called out on it. I’m not sure if they really know what being offended really feels like? If you catch some ill feelings/ridicule from discussing your radical ideas (or suppose experiences)…then you may not have fully thought about your position, intent, plans through thoroughly. It’s to be expected because humans are logical thinking beings.

I wish nothing bad for anyone and I go through extremes to show this, I just wish these Whistleblowers will have the decency to do the same, especially if they’re saying how important their info is.

Peace

Don't forget, (or research more if needed) that David icke started his career as an investigative journalist and anchorman, and spokesman for the Green Party. It's not like he's just some guy who heard something, from a friend of friend -- the guy was on the inside and has had access to vast resources and people to talk to. You obviously are judging him from a standpoint of limited view.

Stay on the path that feels right for you, there are a billion paths and they all lead to the same place eventually, and each is right for the person that treads it. Just keep in mind there are shortcuts and skipping to new paths is possible at any point.

Can we confirm that he's an insider, or are we just taking his and his colleagues words as facts? I'm sure he would not be able to get where he's at today without assistance. The question than arises "how can we confirm and/or trust them too?" The path I'm on is a path of disclosure...be it exposing fallacy or proof in what one claims to be true. You can not discredit the truth when you have proof. What I see is people (strangers) making a name for themselves by attempting to turn fantasy into reality. I wish not to view them this way but my common sense and BS detector forces me to do so. They should know better, and should be prepared when presenting such things without substance, and if not... than they may not really care for us as much as they say. Therefore, leaving me to think there's an agenda at hand and judging from the way the info is being spread... that plan may not be to our benifit. All of this seems very much like conditioning, and it seems to be working very well on many of us.

Peace

[DeDukshyn]

Your path will serve you Peace, as I said.

Keep in mind that a perspective shift can make the seemingly false, true and vice versa; also keep in mind that absence of proof is not proof of absence.

I don't agree with everything that Icke says, but 15 years of my own personal research, before I even ever heard of the name David Icke, has led me to so many of the same conclusions, tat I thought were my own -- I now realize how many other people were researching and studying the same things, from ancient summerian texts, trying to make sense of religions, philosophy, anthropology, science, spirituality, to ufos and alien stories -- anyone who puts enough research into ALL these areas basically comes out with the same perspective afterward. I have confidence in a lot of what David Icke says and a fair bit of what David Wilcox says (in his books), is it because I want to believe them? Not at all, I already had confirmed so many of the same things that both these guys are claiming now -- on my own, with my own research - mostly in science, referring to ancient earth, anthropology and the origins of mythology, and very ancient stuff -- you know the stuff that the CIA went back into time and planted for us to discover to "convince" us of the whole New Age thing -- because after-all the CIA created NEW AGE, y'know so that means they went back in time and started astrology -- our oldest most ancient system of time keeping -- measured in precession cycles (26,000 year cycles of the rotation of the earth's wobble) .. so many people don't realize all the dots there are available to connect, let alone be able to connect the dots - that's why we get these whacked out claims that the CIA created "New Age" -- ironically a claim made by David Icke -- see I don't believe with everything he says ;)

I'm not trying to convince you of anything, but I challenge your narrow viewpoint. Explore, and have fun doing it, think outside the box and certainly don't rely on any one or even 3 sources, you haven't done this yet as fully as it can bring enlightenment, I can tell by your response, and you wish not to attribute any single information to David Icke -- and as you should, well done! But don't stop searching and expanding your view -- the most amount of learning to be done is within expanding a view, then studying that view innocently with no expectations.

"Believing not", is a tool they use on us just as much as "believing" -- it the same thing. To "not" believe in something is also a belief in itself, few realize this, and thus it is used against us as well.

Just food for thought Peace, Have a great day! ;)

[Peace of Mind]

Your path will serve you Peace, as I said.

Keep in mind that a perspective shift can make the seemingly false, true and vice versa; also keep in mind that absence of proof is not proof of absence.

I don't agree with everything that Icke says, but 15 years of my own personal research, before I even ever heard of the name David Icke, has led me to so many of the same conclusions, tat I thought were my own -- I now realize how many other people were researching and studying the same things, from ancient summerian texts, trying to make sense of religions, philosophy, anthropology, science, spirituality, to ufos and alien stories -- anyone who puts enough research into ALL these areas basically comes out with the same perspective afterward. I have confidence in a lot of what David Icke says and a fair bit of what David Wilcox says (in his books), is it because I want to believe them? Not at all, I already had confirmed so many of the same things that both these guys are claiming now -- on my own, with my own research - mostly in science, referring to ancient earth, anthropology and the origins of mythology, and very ancient stuff -- you know the stuff that the CIA went back into time and planted for us to discover to "convince" us of the whole New Age thing -- because after-all the CIA created NEW AGE, y'know so that means they went back in time and started astrology -- our oldest most ancient system of time keeping -- measured in precession cycles (26,000 year cycles of the rotation of the earth's wobble) .. so many people don't realize all the dots there are available to connect, let alone be able to connect the dots - that's why we get these whacked out claims that the CIA created "New Age" -- ironically a claim made by David Icke -- see I don't believe with everything he says ;)

I'm not trying to convince you of anything, but I challenge your narrow viewpoint. Explore, and have fun doing it, think outside the box and certainly don't rely on any one or even 3 sources, you haven't done this yet as fully as it can bring enlightenment, I can tell by your response, and you wish not to attribute any single information to David Icke -- and as you should, well done! But don't stop searching and expanding your view -- the most amount of learning to be done is within expanding a view, then studying that view innocently with no expectations.

"Believing not", is a tool they use on us just as much as "believing" -- it the same thing. To "not" believe in something is also a belief in itself, few realize this, and thus it is used against us as well.

Just food for thought Peace, Have a great day! ;)

Yes, I've had done much of the same research for as many or more years and have now come to the conclussion that there is way too many discrepancies in all of this alien and 2012 hype. I've made many posts and topics detailing this. As of now, my path consist of certainty and facts. So whenever I come across such infomation as this I'll make hard honest attempts in extracting as much truth from it as possible, unfortunately there isn't much to acquire.

My views on a lot of things have change lately due to the inconsistancies in testimonies and interviews. What I see is people having their imaginations filled with deceptions. My view of the world and universe is quite vast. If it was narrow I wouldn't be asking those hard questions that seem to always go unanswered. I do have my own thoughts on many of these issues and thats the reason why I ask questons and make certain posts. I don't just obey and follow, thats a no no because that practice has always held us back. Narrow minded people follow the flock. I want the flock healthy, empowered, aware of self, and immune to erroneous beliefs (including myself). So how do you remedy this dilemma?

There's nothing wrong with being open minded but not so much that your brain falls out. I'm perfectly aware of the boundaries of this reality, but that never stopped me from thinking outside of the box. And if there is something more to be experienced I'm more than willing to partake in it. However, you just can't take part in something that shows very little signs that it actually exist. In my observation that has proven to be nothing other than a waste of time. As you can, see these subjects do very little for us. I'm actually more concern with what Humans are doing to and for each other. I'll rather deal with ET when the time is right. Obviously this is not the time as there are more important issues to be dealt with.

Peace

[DeDukshyn]

... <snipping it all> ...

If one is living in this realm .. it is all deceptions ;)

That is why I may appear overly nonchalant about so many items to some people, I don't really believe ANY of it! ;) It's about considerations, entertaining, and expressing that which could possible help others to search for their "truth"

Ultimately for me, I see all this 3D stuff as considerations of illusions -- all of it. It does have some value as illusion, and this doesn't mean it is not "happening", but that doesn't make any of it "real"

I often have to abandon the considerations of 3D once in a while, and ground myself back into my spirituality for refresher on what is important to me.

At the end of the day, what is truly important is your sense of well-being, mind and body, creating that which you naturally want to create (in the sense that every action is a "creation" of some sort), and ultimately being able to share your joy with others.

finding ways to defeat fear, worry, stress and illness are the real goals in my opinion ... after that, the real work is done and getting back to the discussion of illusion is more "fun"

Thanks you for sharing yourself a little more ;)

[apokalypse]

i just don't like the confrontation because of editing, they edit to make Ventura look good. Uncut Version David Icke could owned JV but with magic of video editing it make Icke look bad got owned by Ventura. i really want to see full version what Icke have to say not bloody Jesse Ventura version...

i really hate this episode where there's no actual evidence but more of personal experience. this episode more like debunk video than blow the lid. unlike Government secret programs or Aliens/Et's we have strong evidence for people on mainstream to think about.

[BrianEn]

I saw Alex Jones setting up David Icke in the whatever segment of that show. Hard to believe that Ventura had no idea about Icke. Kind of starting to see this episode as more like pro wrestling where the results are predetermined before the first bell. I wonder what Icke thinks about Jones now.

Side note:

As if Jones isn't in this for the money, you have to be making money to build your very own television studio, fund a full colour glossy magazine.

[Amysenthia]

Disappointed...

Whether you follow David Icke or not, this show was fully set up against him. Unless I missed the memo, Alex Jones and David Icke have been having a lovefest lately but instead he calls him the "turd in the punchbowl"? They "went there" and showed David Icke's Jesus moment and the 2 million a year money claim. Finishing up, they made David Icke look like a babbling buffoon who couldn't give one straight answer and was backed into a corner like a caged animal.

This did not come off as healthy skepticism. This was a premeditated attack. As Sloppyjoe said, all one-sided.

I'll bet David Icke was originally looking forward to the show. Instead, he got blindsided. He probably realized he had made a serious error in judgement as soon as he saw Jesse walking in.

Face it, Jesse was not open to this from the get-go. He shouldn't have bothered.

And Shawn Stone didn't fair too well either. Does he need this that badly?

update: If I've got this figured out right, the interview was filmed a year ago!


It had to have been filmed November 12, 2011 because I was at the Agora theater in Cleveland, Ohio to see David Icke speak. When David Icke came on he spent a good part of the beginning of the talk addressing an issue he had just dealt with during an interview with a personality that had interviewed him for a television series about conspiracies. This was the interview that the discussed.

[BrianEn]

Now reading an article by Icke about comments by Alex Jones. His comments were edited to suit time-warner's needs.

http://80.87.129.146/headlines/75196-you-are-a-disgrace-time-warner-the-conspiracy-theory-show-that-seeks-to-discredit-genuine-revealers-of-the-truth

[apokalypse]

i need go though entire show of Conspiracy Theory with Jesse Ventura agian to filter it out what episode are good for recommendation for the sheep to think about and start ask questions...this episode of Reptilian is not one of them.

[Earth Angel]

From his site, which I was able to access from my bookmarks but not when searching davidicke.com ...... and I do believe David Icke has claimed to have seen shape shifting reptilians when he was sitting in the green room with Ted Heath





Comments by Alex Jones in the Ventura/Time Warner excuse for a programme have even been edited to say what he did not say in the totality of his interview, as he told me himself. He has said publicly since the show aired that his comments were misrepresented and how he supports the work that I do.

Why would a programme supposedly 'revealing conspiracies' manipulate footage to make one high-profile researcher appear to attack another when that is not what he did? To drive a wedge between us? Wouldn't you so love that? Well, bad news chaps because it hasn't worked.

Think about it. Time Warner have taken to the national American airwaves to attack a 'nutter' who talks about other-dimensional reptilian entities manipulating human society. Does anyone with a mind of their own really think that this would be done unless I am speaking a truth that they don't want people to take seriously?

But they have bitten off far more than they could ever chew. Time Warner are not a giant to me, but simply pathetic and grotesque. There is nothing in all infinity that can destroy me if I won't allow it - the same with everyone - and certainly not Time Warner nor the idiotic global cabal that owns it and directs its programming.

It will blow up in their faces. Those with ears will always hear, as with those that have eyes to see.



Full Article here

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/75196-you-are-a-disgrace-time-warner-the-conspiracy-theory-show-that-seeks-to-discredit-genuine-revealers-of-the-truth

[apokalypse]

for the past few weeks i few like we lived in Informations Wars, everyone have been attack/debunk and discredit the information. TPTB really out there destroying non-mainstream/alternative media...

[Mandala]

I was upset with all of the men. Alex preconditioned Jesse to be extremely hostile to David. There was no real communication going on, it was one upping each other. It appeared Jesse had made up his mind about D Icke's research from the beginning. I don't think David stood a chance. His story and explanations are involved but do make sense. David got ticked and took his toys and went home. I hope this is not going to be the tone of all Jesse's new stories. They seemed very prepared and scripted. His opinions and attitudes were predetermined in my opinion. I was somewhat disappointed with the show. He could have done so much more with the information.

[Mandala]

Dr. Fred Bell claims he worked on Star Wars and the Death Ray. Nikola Tesla and directed energy is discussed. Small enough to kill a person, large enough to take down a city. Questions raised, were we successful in creating Star Wars?

Highlighted points:
After Tesla died, the government took all his plans.
William Lyne claims he was a death ray target.
Was space shuttle Challenger targeted?
Was the ray used in 911?
Scientist, John Hutchinson...mad scientist, talks about Death Ray project he helped develop.
Venus ECM
22. Scientists died who worked on project
Brian Leary's death related?
Dr Judy Wood, book. Where did the Towers Go?
1400 cars almost melted, blocks away, ray used?
Dr. Wood's research assistance was murdered
Dr. Bell who brought the theory to Jesse collapsed 2days after contacting Ventura.
Dropped dead in his hotel room.


Try to see it.

[Mozart]

Dr. Bell who brought the theory to Jesse collapsed 2days after contacting Ventura.
Dropped dead in his hotel room.



WHAT? WTF?


Dr. Fred Bell dead? Oh ****!


I've personally had the pleasure of meeting Dr. Fred Bell at a gathering in my small town that I live in. He was an AMAZING GUY.


And now he's dead? ****, man.


~Mozart

[Lifebringer]

God deliver US justice from the monsters created after WW2 right under our Democratic noses via Bush/SS family. Just watched the concentration camp/FEMA Camps and I've long suspected after Koresh, that they've put so many in, that the investigative arm is in stall/or stop, when it comes to the Houses of Government NOT taken over.

They've wanted Nancy ever since JFK.

[Equipoise]

DEW, gang-stalking, etc. are directed at ordinary, average people who just want to live & let live. Anyone who is NOT politically correct, i.e. NOT dumbed-down, NOT a predator/pervert, NOT a drug/booze/sex addict, etc are targeted for purging. It is the modern day version of the Inquisition, which actually never ended. Heretics are STILL tortured and murdered. Heretics, being those who are connected to their spirituality, to Mother Earth, to their self-worth, who are competent, intelligent, strong, with stamina, creativity, love of self and all creation, etc.

[truth4me]

I'm still mad at Jesse for throwing David Icke "under the bus" in last week's episode......:mad2:


Edit: I did watch this show and it was a good one. Looks like the death ray did take the towers down....

[SEAM]

I watched this episode. Very good!! Had Astronaut O'Leary... Dr. Judy Woods... Had to pinch myself, that I was watching this in my living room, and not on some CPU screen.

The drama point being that a couple people died "as a result?" of Jesse ("I'm a Navy Seal - When you tell me I can't see something - I don't get scared, I get Mad!") Ventura's inquiry.

Dr. Fred Bell: http://www.pyradyne.com/dr-fred-bell/
"In September of 2011 aged 68, Dr. Fred Bell passed away whilst on a trip to Minneapolis filming an interview with Jesse Ventura. It was a great shock to all in Dr. Bell`s life and also somewhat of a mystery to some people, speculation quickly grew through online forums as to whether it was a conspiracy or in fact, it was actually true."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMx56RNb3ng&feature=related

[Maia Gabrial]

God deliver US justice from the monsters created after WW2 right under our Democratic noses via Bush/SS family. Just watched the concentration camp/FEMA Camps and I've long suspected after Koresh, that they've put so many in, that the investigative arm is in stall/or stop, when it comes to the Houses of Government NOT taken over.

Those monsters were around alot longer than the Bushes, Lifebringer. They've been manipulating humanity for thousands of years, setting up to completely enslave us. But the good news is that they can't override the Divine Plan no matter what they do. You could say that they've successfully failed....!

[Carmody]

http://www.improb.com/news/2001/nov/troy-terrorists.html


multiple articles, should probably be saved/archived.

http://www.baytoday.ca/content/news/details.asp?c=6657

He also invented incombustible materials and unbreachable Armour for armored vehicles, and so on.

Like me, Troy figured it out. The fundamental of 'what is'.

Once that is done, 3d physical invention/manifestation of materials and effects is like picking something out of a 10,000 page menu.

[latshaw]

I really like your answer ;) - latshaw

[Carmody]

http://www.improb.com/news/2001/nov/troy-terrorists.html


multiple articles, should probably be saved/archived.

http://www.baytoday.ca/content/news/details.asp?c=6657

He also invented incombustible materials and unbreachable Armour for armored vehicles, and so on.

Like me, Troy figured it out. The fundamental of 'what is'.

Once that is done, 3d physical invention/manifestation of materials and effects is like picking something out of a 10,000 page menu.

http://www.baytoday.ca/content/news/details.asp?c=8267

http://www.baytoday.ca/content/news/details.asp?c=8271


what can be seen, is that troy managed to get to the level of 'positive' (according to human values) excitation of dark matter. Exactly like that of the effect of pyramid structures.

http://www.baytoday.ca/content/news/details.asp?c=8634

people want real stories, with real people...well..here's Troy, with the real thing in a real newspaper and real effects that can be correlated.

Most specifically, with multiple names and places of connection for correlation, all mentioned, in a direct way.

All you have to do is chose the correct technology to prove such things to yourself, and you are on your way to living a reality of knowing, instead of questioning. It's a critical threshold to cross.


The five stages:

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[apokalypse]

Conspiracy Theory with Jesse Ventura: Death Ray-Episode 2
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[norman]

I find it very..... [!?]





errrrr.....

JV is a sudden convert to "awakeness" but wants to have his sleep program too.

Sorry, Jesse, you just can't cook with the best like that. You're going to make a complete TIT of yourself before you're through.

My guess is, you're running for "PreZ" next shot at it, Right !?

[Carmody]

There is no death ray conspiracy theory. There is 'death ray fact'. Actually.... devices, news articles and proofs.

Names, dates, locations, and so on.

In the other thread:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?52045-Jesse-Ventura-Death-Ray-11-14-12-Directed-Energy-Weapons

[apokalypse]

great episode and can't really comment on the information because i have no knowledge about it...

that's mind blowing, people who associate with Death Ray end up dead...

[Hughe]

fqIQ-72itrI

[Flash]

i must admit, this one from jessee ventura is real good. Heart attack, stroke, fitting in the pocket, getting sick, fast moving cancer,etc., penetrates through walls, destroys buildings. I am truly sorry for Dr Bell.

I am so sorry that he blasted David Icke last week. This was not needed.

My idea: this death ray has to be announced because it will be used in the next war starting in Middle East right now. they also show the twin towers getting down, due to death ray.

[ThePythonicCow]

fqIQ-72itrI

Awesome - thanks for posting that.

It was indeed amazing to see Judy Wood and John Hutchinson treated with respect on a TV show, including a fair mention of 9/11.

Hutchinson's t-shirt intrigued me:
http://thepythoniccow.us/John_Hutchinson_Earth_Protector.png
So I did a little bit of searching, and it seems to me that this shirt is related to the Pure Energy Systems Network (pesn.com) (http://PureEnergySystems.com) site. These two articles on that site (search on Google for "site:pesn.com hutchinson" to find more) involve John Hutchinson:

John Hutchison to Appear on Jesse Ventura's Conspiracy Theory Show (http://pesn.com/2012/09/17/9602181_John_Hutchison_to_appear_on_Jesse_Venturas_Conspiracy_Theory_Show/)
Hutchison Gives Instructions for Earth Radiation Shield from Japanese Fallout (http://pesn.com/2011/03/19/9501792_Hutchison_Gives_Instructions_for_Earth_Radiation_Shield/)

[ThePythonicCow]

including a fair mention of 9/11
Well I'll be damned.

I wrote the above phrase before watching the last ten minutes of this show. It is an excellent and favorable summary of what Judy Wood has been telling us.

[Carmody]

John is still wearing his hat all the time.. I'm wondering what is going on there.

I've not seen the video but I'll explain a bit.

It is done via mixing harmonics at the correct angles or vectors, to get to a sum that is accelerated or debilitated, depending on the addition/subtraction of the given solfeggio scale related frequencies.


As Tesla said: "If you only knew the magnificence of the 3, 6 and 9, then you would have a key to the universe.”

Which is, the natural solfeggio scale...and then the elitist sourced drive for cessation of use and the eventual removal of the solfeggio scale from human music.


The natural solfeggio sourced interharmonics accelerate or slow (depending on application) the dark matter fundamental of elemental 3d reality and thus the formation and flow of the backdrop of time/space. Recall, or know that Maxwell said that the entire thing is unidirectional and elastic, according to his full calculations that where based on Faraday's works with atomic level fluids. (fluids with fully separate atoms and molecules and thus the study of their fundamental interactions)

Thus.... resonant and manipulable. Not just the atomic structures, but the backdrop, the skein that they reside/form/exist upon.

This is inherently dangerous, as tools go. It is not to be toyed with.

IF..... the twin towers where taken down by such devices, I'd almost wager that the beam (or beams) was/where ground based and aimed, not...upward -- sky vehicle based... and aimed downward.

[Carmody]

Why would Bell be dead.... and Hutchison and others alive?

Bell signed on.... and violated those 'agreements'.

Hutchison and others, did not sign anything, relatively speaking.

[Carmody]

'Bearden says: "If you were to generate extreme pulses" (at approximately 15:40 or so in the video)

Not necessary.

the system is in interlocked resonance, thus geometric vectoral considerations.

And the inherent unidirectional (within our daily perception) flow is elastic, as Maxwell said.

Therefore the energy levels can be stepped up with correct levels of resonance applied.

Which is , specifically....'The Hutchison Effect'. As John (and others) have called his particular revelations. (for the sake of simplicity in this specific case)

Applied harmonic addition and subtraction, depending on the given desired effect.

In this simple way (relatively speaking), one can get to Bearden's stated 'extreme pulses'.

Remember or know of Nickolai Kozyrev's work on dark matter energy and understand that he stated that aluminum is the only element he found that would block or slow such waves.

Therefore, not tin foil, but aluminum foil hats. :p

Thus...if one feels that they are being targeted by an energy weapon, get some aluminum between the self and the suspected source.

As a side note...chemtrails are heavily laced with aluminum. the primary ingredient. But we've had this discussion already.....

[Carmody]

31 minutes in the video.

Tesla's grand niece dies, spontaneous combustion, apparently.

In her trailer. Which was probably aluminum skinned.

That might be slowed waves from a given piece of directed energy hardware.

Aluminum slows the dark matter energy frequencies, you see....

If that is the case....Whoops. Didn't quite work out with that one. Dang pesky aluminum atomic structure...

[Carmody]

cement, BTW is an easy target for directed energy weapons, regarding disruption and disintegration.

Within the cement mix, basically an alloy... is large amounts of piezoelectric sensitive materials.

Achieving a resonance that breaks such structures apart (essentially a crystallized additive in an alloy), is thus far easier. One merely has to target the atomic signature of the piezoelectric components of the cement 'stew' and..... there it goes........it breaks apart and turns to dust.

Piezoelectric function involves mechanical deformation. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piezoelectricity)

[ThePythonicCow]

In her trailer. Which was probably aluminum skinned.
Most trailers aren't aluminum skinned these days, just a few of the higher priced models that are actually intended for frequent road travel.

http://www.fiddlersgreen.net/vehicles/Travel-Trailer-Airstream/IMAGES/Airstream-road.jpg

[Carmody]

I'm thinking she lived in a trailer park or house trailer. Which tend to be aluminum skinned. All they said was 'found in her trailer'.

[Carmody]

31 minutes in the video.

Tesla's grand niece dies, spontaneous combustion, apparently.

In her trailer. Which was probably aluminum skinned.

That might be slowed waves from a given piece of directed energy hardware.

Aluminum slows the dark matter energy frequencies, you see....

If that is the case....Whoops. Didn't quite work out with that one. Dang pesky aluminum atomic structure...

Why would she combust... instead of being internally disrupted at and in the way they might desire?

well, Jonathan Keeley says it like this. And in reading, remember what Kozyrev said about aluminum... and what the skin of her trailer was very very likely made of -aluminum:

Aether slowed down and extended yields
Magnetism slowed down and extended yields
Electricity slowed down and extended yields
Light slowed down and extended yields
Heat slowed down and extended yields
Sound slowed down and extended yields
Physical Vibration slowed down and extended yields Matter

If you go to the links above (earlier posts by me) about Troy Hurtubise, you find that his beam devices call the 'angel light' and 'god light', both had visibility considerations. Things one could see. Even x-ray visibility type effects. Relationally speaking...the exact same kind of death ray effects spoken of --here, in this Jesse video, by Tom Bearden, By Mr bell, by Troy, by Hutchison..and so on..

Then we get to the story of underground facilities where hybrid humans (clones, and whatnot, and so on) are apparently being assembled, and part of their assembly involves types of radiation, visible, electromagnetic and otherwise, to speed their creation and what not. That would be the good side of the effects of the given devices, but used for..what?????

Consider that we can aid plant (and thus all cellular/organic) growth through the use of electricity (the Ciba Geigy effect--and patent was issued, it's a real thing here, folks.... (http://blog.hasslberger.com/docs/CIBA_PATENTED_TECHNOLOGY.pdf))

Thus, we get to the point of..Are we suffering from an internal threat, an external threat...or both?

What is it, exactly?

One thing we can say, for sure, though...It is definitely a hidden war of some sort.

[Carmody]

it would be interesting to correlate the position of the apparent UFO's seen at the time of the collapse, with the location (blocks away) of the burned cars.

This would possibly indicate a high position (flying vehicle or even satellite originated) for the suspected beam weapon. If ....this pans out, at all, as a form of potential correlation.

As for there ~BEING~ a beam weapon capacity involving human use and human players in this current technological world, I've no doubt about that whatsoever - that there indeed is. None. Zip. Nada.

I'm not speculating, here. Not one bit. OK?

[Gardener]

Hmm I tried to play the jesse vid and its been taken down :( copywrite violation (Turner) or something. Going in search of archive

[Gardener]

I didn't find the vid yet, looks like its getting buried...
BUT I did find this which is interesting. The reasons mmaybe what happened.
http://youtu.be/Mj1l2VM5MaE
Jesse talks with C to C about the show

[Carmody]

Ok. Well, I manged to watch it just this afternoon, and I managed to put a considerable amount of rubber on the ground, here.

I'm no stranger to finding that any video I'm linked to, being pulled from yootoob. Usually the same day.

[Selene]

The Jesse Ventura "Death Ray" episode will be rebroadcast on TruTV tomorrow morning, Saturday, November 17 at 10:00 am EST http://www.trutv.com/schedule/index.html?tempDate=6&nextWeek=no There's a "channel finder" in the upper right corner of the page to find your local cable channnel for TruTV if you are in the U.S.

There is also some way to log into the TRuTV website to watch online, probably for a fee.... http://www.trutv.com/shows/conspiracy_theory/index.html

Glad I watched the YT version before it was taken down. It's a corker, that's for sure.

Cheers,

Selene

[MacStar]

Dang,missed it.

Someone could re-upload maybe??

;)

Edit found it!

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If all else fails go here:
http://www.jesseventura.net/conspiracy-theory/s03e02-death-ray/

[ThePythonicCow]

Gordon Duff, over at VeteransToday, has posted a favorable article on this show of Jesse Ventura's as well, with a copy of the Youtube video included in the post:

Ventura Busts Tesla Ray “Death Ray – Death Squad” Secret
9/11, Shuttle Disasters, Murders Attributed to Directed Energy “Death Ray” (http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/11/16/ventura-busts-tesla-ray-death-ray-secret/)
An excerpt from Duff's post:



Ventura presents a list of murdered scientists, shows the weapons used, microwave “heart attack generators” and weapons capable of destroying cities or even massive steel high-rise buildings.

Ventura interviews an fascinating group of scientists who tell of a massive conspiracy, hiding the capabilities to hide murders at will, destroy cities, even continents.

We now have to reassess shuttle disasters, several inexplicable airline crashes, certainly 9/11 and murders, not just of scientists who worked on directed ray projects but evidence from Iraq and Afghanistan that directed energy weapons have been used there.

This may well be one of the biggest secrets of all.

[Gardener]

Ty Ty Ty for finding the vid :) wow I have just watched it!!!

[Carmody]

Gordon Duff, over at VeteransToday, has posted a favorable article on this show of Jesse Ventura's as well, with a copy of the Youtube video included in the post:

Ventura Busts Tesla Ray “Death Ray – Death Squad” Secret
9/11, Shuttle Disasters, Murders Attributed to Directed Energy “Death Ray” (http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/11/16/ventura-busts-tesla-ray-death-ray-secret/)
An excerpt from Duff's post:



Ventura presents a list of murdered scientists, shows the weapons used, microwave “heart attack generators” and weapons capable of destroying cities or even massive steel high-rise buildings.

Ventura interviews an fascinating group of scientists who tell of a massive conspiracy, hiding the capabilities to hide murders at will, destroy cities, even continents.

We now have to reassess shuttle disasters, several inexplicable airline crashes, certainly 9/11 and murders, not just of scientists who worked on directed ray projects but evidence from Iraq and Afghanistan that directed energy weapons have been used there.

This may well be one of the biggest secrets of all.

This sort of thing:

http://rense.com/general30/mager.htm

http://rense.com/general40/secret.htm

From the second link:
"In a city littered everywhere with burned-out civilian and military vehicles, US forces were abnormally scrupulous about immediately detailing bulldozers and shovel crews to the job of burying the grim wreckage. Nevertheless, telltale remnants remained as Dillon found when al-Ghazali later took him to the site. Dillon said they easily uncovered large puddles of resolidified metal and mounds of weird fibrous material that, al-Ghazali explained, were all that remained of the vehicles' tires. "

I'm attempting to figure out what such a beam would do to the tires, to leave such a 'fiberous materail' behind, with little else.

as I'm writing this, the ONLY thing that I'm aware of that produces such similar results, is 'Brown's Gas' or HHO, as it is called (two of it's names). HHO works on an atomic bonding level, and will tear apart all materials under the effect's of the 'gas', in a way that attacks the atomic structure directly.

It will take the given material to whatever level it needs to be, to handle the electron charge level of an electron bonding/separating to/from hydrogen/oxygen. It will strip the given atomic structure apart, until it is conductive. (there are other considerations, for example, what it does to tungsten)

HHO is not a 'flame' when it is 'burning', it is an atomic level electrical plasma in a high energy state that is in the process of slipping back to a lower state, back to H20...it is not an oxidizing flame (even though 'water is ash'). The propagation rate is 8,160 feet per second, which is faster than anything else by a factor of about, what, 3x?. It is not the exact same process as that of a oxy/cet flame. Not by a long shot, as HHO flame will sublimate ANYTHING, yet it's 'flame' has no real inherent heat/thermal properties.

Anyway, the fibrous mess or strips left over from the tire, would have to be at least mildly conductive in some manner, while the rest of the tire would have been bubbled away. it would have been brought down to being in some at least mildly conductive state. it is possible that this may have happened to a given form of fiberglass belts from within the given tire. or 'steel belts': With only radial cords, a radial tire would not be sufficiently rigid at the contact with the ground. To add further stiffness, the entire tire is surrounded by additional belts that are oriented closer to the direction of travel, but usually at some "spiral" angle. These belts can be made of steel (hence the term steel-belted radial), Polyester, or Aramid fibers such as Twaron and Kevlar. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radial_tire)

In my experience...organic molecules, ie that of nature, are particularly sensitive to being boiled or gassed away via application of electrical plasma flames such as a HHO 'flame' is. The vulcanized rubber is 'vaporized', and the fibers remain. Thus the shrunken bodies found are explained to some potential extent.

Thus the flame, from this aspect, of knowing how HHO gas works, as an electrical plasma, brings some mild form of credence and possibility/potential to the table when viewing this report of a horrific energy beam weapon. That there is a form of correlation on the table.

[Kristin]

This link works as well

http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/115748/Conspiracy_Theory_with_Jesse_Ventura_DEATH_RAY/

[Carmody]

Gordon Duff, over at VeteransToday, has posted a favorable article on this show of Jesse Ventura's as well, with a copy of the Youtube video included in the post:

Ventura Busts Tesla Ray “Death Ray – Death Squad” Secret
9/11, Shuttle Disasters, Murders Attributed to Directed Energy “Death Ray” (http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/11/16/ventura-busts-tesla-ray-death-ray-secret/)
An excerpt from Duff's post:



Ventura presents a list of murdered scientists, shows the weapons used, microwave “heart attack generators” and weapons capable of destroying cities or even massive steel high-rise buildings.

Ventura interviews an fascinating group of scientists who tell of a massive conspiracy, hiding the capabilities to hide murders at will, destroy cities, even continents.

We now have to reassess shuttle disasters, several inexplicable airline crashes, certainly 9/11 and murders, not just of scientists who worked on directed ray projects but evidence from Iraq and Afghanistan that directed energy weapons have been used there.

This may well be one of the biggest secrets of all.

This sort of thing:

http://rense.com/general30/mager.htm

http://rense.com/general40/secret.htm

From the second link:
"In a city littered everywhere with burned-out civilian and military vehicles, US forces were abnormally scrupulous about immediately detailing bulldozers and shovel crews to the job of burying the grim wreckage. Nevertheless, telltale remnants remained as Dillon found when al-Ghazali later took him to the site. Dillon said they easily uncovered large puddles of resolidified metal and mounds of weird fibrous material that, al-Ghazali explained, were all that remained of the vehicles' tires. "

I'm attempting to figure out what such a beam would do to the tires, to leave such a 'fiberous materail' behind, with little else.

as I'm writing this, the ONLY thing that I'm aware of that produces such similar results, is 'Brown's Gas' or HHO, as it is called (two of it's names). HHO works on an atomic bonding level, and will tear apart all materials under the effect's of the 'gas', in a way that attacks the atomic structure directly.

It will take the given material to whatever level it needs to be, to handle the electron charge level of an electron bonding/separating to/from hydrogen/oxygen. It will strip the given atomic structure apart, until it is conductive. (there are other considerations, for example, what it does to tungsten)

HHO is not a 'flame' when it is 'burning', it is an atomic level electrical plasma in a high energy state that is in the process of slipping back to a lower state, back to H20...it is not an oxidizing flame (even though 'water is ash'). The propagation rate is 8,160 feet per second, which is faster than anything else by a factor of about, what, 3x?. It is not the exact same process as that of a oxy/cet flame. Not by a long shot, as HHO flame will sublimate ANYTHING, yet it's 'flame' has no real inherent heat/thermal properties.

Anyway, the fibrous mess or strips left over from the tire, would have to be at least mildly conductive in some manner, while the rest of the tire would have been bubbled away. it would have been brought down to being in some at least mildly conductive state. it is possible that this may have happened to a given form of fiberglass belts from within the given tire. or 'steel belts': With only radial cords, a radial tire would not be sufficiently rigid at the contact with the ground. To add further stiffness, the entire tire is surrounded by additional belts that are oriented closer to the direction of travel, but usually at some "spiral" angle. These belts can be made of steel (hence the term steel-belted radial), Polyester, or Aramid fibers such as Twaron and Kevlar. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radial_tire)

In my experience...organic molecules, ie that of nature, are particularly sensitive to being boiled or gassed away via application of electrical plasma flames such as a HHO 'flame' is. The vulcanized rubber is 'vaporized', and the fibers remain. Thus the shrunken bodies found are explained to some potential extent.

Thus the flame, from this aspect, of knowing how HHO gas works, as an electrical plasma, brings some mild form of credence and possibility/potential to the table when viewing this report of a horrific energy beam weapon. That there is a form of correlation on the table.

Causal readers of the forum will not be aware that I own and have used, played with, and experimented with a 1600L/h 'Brown's Gas' generator, so my suppositions and hypothesis are gained from direct experience and knowledge.

Thus, I mention it directly and clearly. This is a critical point, when one is analyzing my thoughts on these matters.

[Gardener]

Its good to get your comentary down Carmody, in case they pull the vid again........

[ThePythonicCow]

This sort of thing:

http://rense.com/general30/mager.htm
holy crap :).

The above link leads after a couple of indirections to two books by Tom Bearden: Oblivion: America at the Brink (http://www.cheniere.org/sales/buy-ob.htm)
Fer de Lance: A Briefing on Soviet Scalar Electromagnetic Weapons (http://www.cheniere.org/sales/buy-fl.htm)

Would you recommend those books, at least to those readers who have gotten to the "holy crap" stage of thinking about this ?

P.S. - more books at http://www.cheniere.org/sales/online-store.htm . Tom Bearden must have some angels watching out for him.

[JRS]

To Paul, I would extremely highly recommend Tom Bearden's books-especially Oblivion: America at the Brink. IMO it is best to gloss through the first few chapters (theory) and get to his expose of the use of these weapons. What happened to the Thresher? What really happened at Chernobyl? etc.,etc. Then go back and reread the first few chapters-very detailed science. I borrowed this book to a coworker (he earned a silver Star in Vietnam). After he got through the first few chapters (took him a month) he stayed up all night to finish the book (when he got to the 'good part'). His response to the book was "HOLY SH*T"!

[gripreaper]

This sort of thing:

http://rense.com/general30/mager.htm
holy crap :).

The above link leads after a couple of indirections to two books by Tom Bearden: Oblivion: America at the Brink (http://www.cheniere.org/sales/buy-ob.htm)
Fer de Lance: A Briefing on Soviet Scalar Electromagnetic Weapons (http://www.cheniere.org/sales/buy-fl.htm)

Would you recommend those books, at least to those readers who have gotten to the "holy crap" stage of thinking about this ?

P.S. - more books at http://www.cheniere.org/sales/online-store.htm . Tom Bearden must have some angels watching out for him.

Paul, you've seen the pictures at Judy Woods website where the cars miles away were burned, but only in certain spots? They used energy direct weapons on 9-11 (their initial beta test) and are in love with their new toy, and can't wait to use it again.

Technology is so far above what we are exposed to in the mainstream, it boggles the mind. They have the ability to tune into the frequencies of the mind, read what you are thinking, and extract you via energy direct weaponry of the mind, and make you go into a theater and open fire on the crowd, wake up the next morning in a jail cell wondering what happened.

You really don't want to piss these guys off. They are total psychopathic mafioso's

[Arrowwind]

He said he would do it if he got enough public support. This is a start. We have to start now and not give up.

http://www.jesseventura.net/jesse-ventura-2016-petition/

[Carmody]

This sort of thing:

http://rense.com/general30/mager.htm
holy crap :).

The above link leads after a couple of indirections to two books by Tom Bearden: Oblivion: America at the Brink (http://www.cheniere.org/sales/buy-ob.htm)
Fer de Lance: A Briefing on Soviet Scalar Electromagnetic Weapons (http://www.cheniere.org/sales/buy-fl.htm)

Would you recommend those books, at least to those readers who have gotten to the "holy crap" stage of thinking about this ?

P.S. - more books at http://www.cheniere.org/sales/online-store.htm . Tom Bearden must have some angels watching out for him.

Yes, it is nasty stuff. That is why it is best to be a developed human being before becoming aware of the existence of such.

As being aware of possibility of something existing... is enough for a person to be driven enough... to invent the engineering aspects ....and make theory -- real.

Thus, we are at a crossroads, and killing inventors only slows it down, it does not even remotely stop it. We're hitting the critical threshold on this stuff. Killing the odd inventor, in the past, actually served purpose, in some eyes/minds. Except that it served purpose quite handily for the groups doing the killing. Nefarious agenda was readily served, and the cost to humanity 'assumed', in the process. Basically, all in the know would be in agreement, with silencing in some manner, but not agree on method and the whole reasoning package.

That time is now past, IMO. We are passing into the widescale awareness area of the extant and developing situation.

[Gardener]

Does anyone know anything about 'ear tones' (like temporary tinitus) being indicative of mind intrusion.I heard this somewhere but not sure about its veracity. I think it fits in this thread.

[grannyfranny100]

IMO, you would be better off to petition for his son. After all, it was his son who had to wake him up. Besides the depth of his understand is questionable based on his cartoonish TV show. He is all flash with no experience in national politics. With his swashbuckling presentation, I can't imagine him being persuasive and capable of consensus building. His macho wrestling body slamming will not convince those with other viewpoints. Obviously he has to be more sophisticated than his public persona but I feel that his appeal is so everyone can go back to beer and TV sports while he makes all the decisions unilaterally. That kind of leadership is why we lost our sovereignty. Sorry I won't be signing his petition and I hope you think twice before you do.

[Cidersomerset]

Jesse on with Alex talking about the Death Ray show and some other points........

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Death Ray Whistleblower Dies: Tyrel Ventura Reports


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Published on 14 Nov 2012 by TheAlexJonesChannel

Alex welcomes the governor's son Tyrel Ventura to discuss the new season of his father's TruTV show, Conspiracy Theory with Jesse Ventura.

Tyrel & Alex talks about David Ickes Reptilian theory and he says he & jesse
were not convinced of it ,but are still open , if there was more proof!!

Then goes into the Death ray show......They finish tlking about the TSA show
that has been pilled !

[Cidersomerset]

Alex Jones & Jesse Ventura - Death Ray Conspiracy Theory - The Sudden Death of Dr. Fred Bell

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Published on 14 Nov 2012 by geogaddi00


Montage of different radio interview excerpts explaining the sudden death of Dr. Fred Bell

[Arrowwind]

. Obviously he has to be more sophisticated than his public persona but I feel that his appeal is so everyone can go back to beer and TV sports while he makes all the decisions unilaterally. That kind of leadership is why we lost our sovereignty. Sorry I won't be signing his petition and I hope you think twice before you do.

That kind of leadership is not why we lost our sovereignty, it is how we gained our sovereighty in 1776.

Regardless if you like the theatrics of Jesse Ventura and his presentation on his TV show he is a truth speaker of which there are few. It matters not who the person was that woke him up. Having him in a presidential campaign will do much to further awaken masses, who by the way drink beer and watch TV sports... unless you regard those people as somehow unworthy or incapable to awaken and to be aware of the dire straights we are in. they are the masses and they need to awaken.

His wrestling was a legitamate entertainment profession where he made legetimate money to sustain himself, unlike most other politicians in the USA and around the world who receive money from lobbiests, insider trading, and other illegal and shady deals regarding weapons manufacturing and the poliferation of the chemical and drug industry, shady land deals. His integrity is impeccible in my estimation.

We would do well to follow the lead South America is making by electing officials who are choosing to cut off the international criminals and are uplifiting their nations at the grass roots level.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?52152-Up-Close-Interviews-of-Leaders-of-South-American-Nations-with-Oliver-Stone&p=585478#post585478

He was beloved as mayor of Minnesota and was urged to run again but at the time he chose not to. He won the campaign with minimal money (300,000 dollars) as compared to his opponent. He won through support of the people at a grass root level and that would be his path if he went for president.

His race for president can only lead to more people awakening, to brilliant debate and discussion revealing the truth of our sad collective economic and human rights situations.. I doubt that he could win, but you never know for sure. Depends on how many people awaken over the next few years.

You say Ventura has no international experience. I would say that neither have some other of the presidents had such experience until they got into office... unless you value dirty dealing with Bilderburgers, IMF, Federal Reserve, council on Foreign Relations, the UN, psycopathic national leaders supported by the US , imperialist maneuvers, international crime syndicates and other money shakers and makers who have defrauded the American people of wealth and freedom, that kind of experience like what George Bush Sr and Jr had, as well as Nixon, Johnson. You do not need to have experience with the criminals who have ruined our nation, you do need the guts to speak the truth and take the action to end the crime.

here is Ventura's Minnesota track record. He is the only independent candidate that ever one a governor election.
http://wethepeopleforpaul.com/654/politics/setting-the-record-straight-jesse-venturas-term-as-governor/

If you want to hold up his cartoonish tv show as a relfection of who he is at his core that would be a shame, and to degrade the worth of those who might be attracted to watch it, as our beloved Bill Ryan is on the same track... trying to appeal to and awaken the masses, his show prototype is not too different. It is a foolish comment in my estimation.

I have absolutley thought twice about this man and I have signed the petition. You might want to think again though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsOIc9sHuYo=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsOIc9sHuYo&feature=player_embedded)

[Arrowwind]

:wizard: Bump.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Hello everyone, wonderful thread!!

I wanted to say something about Tesla -- and a major misconception propagated by modern (German!) physics: the idea that nothing exceeds the speed of light.

Tesla quickly found his way around this belief, and spent fruitless hours trying to convince science that the well-funded and propagandized theories of Einstein were incorrect,
and that through harmonics, tinkering, discovery of avalanche points, and many other things I do not understand, like high voltage applications and perhaps even directing a signal through a plasma (!!), he was able to overcome many barricades which stood in the way of observation and practice of his own theories!

But back to the light speed conundrum: you might have been watching the news from CERN this year, since the MSM keeps barking about the "god particle" and time travel, etc.
Well, the problem with all of that is, those people take in billions of member nations' dollars every single year only to sit on the secrets of free energy, and hide the dangers of playing God with nuclear physics as they do, against the better judgment of many British scientists and other men and women who have concerns about black hole physics and the wrong kind of particle collisions taking place inside that blasted LHC. Grr!

Although many people want humans to think that progress is slow, the opposite is true, as progress is humanity's response to disaster. If we cannot adapt, we cannot survive!

And as long as scientists keep the truth in the trunk, that yes, superluminal travel and technology is possible, probable, and real, we will never be free.
It remains also to be seen if fluoride water harms space travelers by causing unnatural iron retention.

_____________________________________________________________________________________

But about the WTC and Tesla... why would I believe the Dr. Bell story?

1. Site remained warm for months (according to what people say online)
2. 1,000s of Engineers disagree with official story (based on that petition going around)
3. Tesla science actually isn't that hard to explain with visual aids (just avoid the math lol)
4. The official explanation is too complicated, i.e. Sherlock Holmes/Occam's razor/KISS: simple is good
5. Death rays are cool
6. People were already talking about electromagnetic cavitation and high temperature accelerants (yours truly)
7. HAARP ain't the only game in town
_____________________________________________________________________________________

The 9-11 victim families might hate hearing this, but the suppression of free scientific flow of information is the real enemy behind 9-11!
This has been true since before the CIA was the OSS!
Since before Titanic sank!! (another Tesla tale.... for another day.... remote controlled submarines vs. icebergs)


______________________________________________________________________________________

Google terms useful for modern Tesla research:

nuclear magnetic resonance [lab] [uni]
propagating a wave through plasma [helicon wave]
pinches and plasma
plasma arrays and plasma antenna
Marconi antenna array [HAARP]
SAR synthetic aperture radar
unmanned submarines and aircraft (remote control)
synchros and servos and remote control
induction
magnetic induction
magnetoelasticity
magnetoelasticity of iron and steel
John Hutchison heatless helicon warping solid iron bar
rotating magnetic fields and magnetoelasticity
rotating magnetic fields penetrating shielding
helicon wave through precious metal
unstoppable signal
unimpeded signal
extremely low frequency (ELF), satellite tethers, space antenna
cyclotron resonance heating
cyclotron weapon atmospheric capacitance
van allen belt naturally occurring cyclotron motion
archeoacoustics
TUNGUSKA explosion legend and Tesla's towers of terror (oops! trial and error!)
Heat to electricity
zero point energy, gravity field, the god grid
natural scale
as above so below
sympathetic resonance


All of the above can be read without a math degree if you just keep looking. !!! never give up!!!!

[Abhaya]

Just found this thread. The vids that started this thread on the first page appear to have been removed by user??.. Any one have a working link? this looks like a must see

[ThePythonicCow]

Just found this thread. The vids that started this thread on the first page appear to have been removed by user??.. Any one have a working link? this looks like a must see

Some other people posted links to it that still work, in posts further into this thread. Keep reading :).

[Sith73]

I like Jessie but hes a very arrogant man.

[onawah]

I used to think more highly of Ventura, but after seeing his arrogant, rude posturing on his show with David Icke, I can't say I consider him to be a wise or mature soul.
His behavior was quite despicable, in my opinion.
He might be the lesser of two evils, but it would all depend on who he was running against.
And I think it would be no different than with all Presidents, until we get the puppet masters neutralized, politicians can promise us the moon, but are rarely able to deliver, even if they are sincere.

[Abhaya]

Um wow how was that ever put on cable tv??

[grannyfranny100]

Arrowwind, I appreciate your well reasoned response to my post. You could be right that he will awaken more people and that would be good. We sure could use more diversity among candidates!!

[apokalypse]

Conspiracy Theory With Jesse Ventura - Season 3, Episode 3 - TIME TRAVEL
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[ThePythonicCow]

Conspiracy Theory With Jesse Ventura - Season 3, Episode 3 - TIME TRAVEL
Interesting ...

Bill Ryan made a post in July 2012 discussing some of this same material and these same people. See From Bill Ryan -- the Ultimate Hypothesis (Post #576) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46887-From-Bill-Ryan-the-Ultimate-Hypothesis&p=521731&viewfull=1#post521731), and some immediately following posts.

[ThePythonicCow]

At about 39:30 in this Episode 3, Jesse comes to quite similar conclusions regarding Andy Basiago as Bill did (if I am understanding correctly.)

[Carmody]

From his site, which I was able to access from my bookmarks but not when searching davidicke.com ...... and I do believe David Icke has claimed to have seen shape shifting reptilians when he was sitting in the green room with Ted Heath





Comments by Alex Jones in the Ventura/Time Warner excuse for a programme have even been edited to say what he did not say in the totality of his interview, as he told me himself. He has said publicly since the show aired that his comments were misrepresented and how he supports the work that I do.

Why would a programme supposedly 'revealing conspiracies' manipulate footage to make one high-profile researcher appear to attack another when that is not what he did? To drive a wedge between us? Wouldn't you so love that? Well, bad news chaps because it hasn't worked.

Think about it. Time Warner have taken to the national American airwaves to attack a 'nutter' who talks about other-dimensional reptilian entities manipulating human society. Does anyone with a mind of their own really think that this would be done unless I am speaking a truth that they don't want people to take seriously?

But they have bitten off far more than they could ever chew. Time Warner are not a giant to me, but simply pathetic and grotesque. There is nothing in all infinity that can destroy me if I won't allow it - the same with everyone - and certainly not Time Warner nor the idiotic global cabal that owns it and directs its programming.

It will blow up in their faces. Those with ears will always hear, as with those that have eyes to see.



Full Article here

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/75196-you-are-a-disgrace-time-warner-the-conspiracy-theory-show-that-seeks-to-discredit-genuine-revealers-of-the-truth

David said he saw Ted's eyes go completely black, not that he saw 'shape shifting reptilians'.

Nothing of that sort (about reptiods) was said or implied.

[jagman]

I like alot of what Jesse stands for but Imo, his show is really starting to suck.I have not watched the Deathray show yet.
I hope its better than his time travel show. They need to stop playing that goofy ass music and get serious. His show is starting to do more harm than good. Imo

[kaon]

The reptilian episode was by far the worse of the series. Jesse did have a preconceived notion that the subject matter was total BS. The first two people who were interviewed were total nut jobs with zero credibility and poor acting skills. Frankly, I can't blame Jesse for being so antagonistic by the time he got to David. In my opinion, Jesse was overbearing and David was both evasive and condescending. My point is that BOTH of them simply didn't want to be there.

Jesse wanted a power point presentation with facts to back them up and David didn't want to do it because he felt he was dealing with a bully with an agenda.

Say what you want about Jesse, but I have a lot of respect for him, and a lot of us should be grateful that he was allowed to do some of the episodes that he did. There was a lot of television exposure for some of our current subjects and concerns.

David. He was unprepared and should have known what he was up against beforehand, or did he? Perhaps he should stick to videos and presentations where he can expound on his ideas and theories at his own pace and uninterrupted.

[kaon]

He has a snowball's chance in hell of being elected in 2016. If worthy contenders like Ron Paul and Pat Buchanan can't break through mainstream politics, Ventura certainly cannot. I will sign the petition though.

[kaon]

IMO, you would be better off to petition for his son. After all, it was his son who had to wake him up. Besides the depth of his understand is questionable based on his cartoonish TV show. He is all flash with no experience in national politics. With his swashbuckling presentation, I can't imagine him being persuasive and capable of consensus building. His macho wrestling body slamming will not convince those with other viewpoints. Obviously he has to be more sophisticated than his public persona but I feel that his appeal is so everyone can go back to beer and TV sports while he makes all the decisions unilaterally. That kind of leadership is why we lost our sovereignty. Sorry I won't be signing his petition and I hope you think twice before you do.

"All flash with no experience in national politics". Sounds like Obama in 2008.

[gooty64]

Sorry, former mild fan of Ventura, NOW ZERO INTEREST in this person.
If you like more 3D madness, he's your guy.
He's still wrastling.

[genevieve]

My two cents re the Reptilian episode and JV's behavior with Icke:

Icke gave a straightforward answer by speaking re frequencies and
the visible light spectrum. Had Jesse been openminded he might
have learned something--his viewers, too.

Pity.

Peace Love Joy & Harmony,
Genevieve

[Referee]

JV on the View.........................


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[Mandala]

TRU TV stalled, re-edited over and over, delayed more, then aired season 3. I know it was a success, as a number 2 rated show for TRU, so why did they schedule it for Wednesday's at 9:00, and randomly change it to Monday @9:00, then 10:00, now it aired at 11:00 last Monday, EST.

It's like a freaking scavenger hunt to find the darn show. Bill, if this is any indication on how they want the real truth to be shown, good luck with episode 2 for your show. I think they are doing every thing possible to bury the truth or ever those questioning it.

[Referee]

Yes I know what you mean they have already said the finale will not be aired the episode on the TSA.

Also for newer members this episode was pulled and reverse deleted of DVR's Police State

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[Mozart]

"TruTV"?


Eff "True" TV!


Those bastards need to change their name to: "ScrewTV". Yea, that one.

[apokalypse]

-QLhJDHpGf0
they cancel upcoming TSA episode?

fot those interested in Episode 3-ozark, since just click on of the links... http://www.watchseries-online.eu/2012/11/conspiracy-theory-with-jesse-ventura-34-ozarks.html or http://www.vidbux.com/3rftyv5tgwn9 (i'm watching it now on this link as i type)

[chancy]

Hello Everyone: I just finished watching Episode 4. It was one of the best I have seen from Jesse Ventura regarding the Illuminati. The Ozarks are being used as a place for the illuminati to build fortresses and underground cities that are massive. No one seems to know what they are for but it appears it's not for any of us!
Watch the episode and be the judge. Enjoy
There's part 1 and part 2 from this link. The quality could be better but still worth a watch!
chancy

http://www.conspiracytheoryjesseventura.com/2012/11/conspiracy-theory-with-jesse-ventura-season-3-episode-4-ozarks/

[Earth Angel]

posted at 1:11 love it..........will check this out.....thanks chancy

[Keltikmuse]

Very interesting indeed. but the advert that flashed next to it was more so lol http://www.thefoodcrisis.org/index.php

[chancy]

Hello: Here is a much better link to the episode. Enjoy the show! As always Jesse gives us something to think about.
chancy

Link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ctjGuP7AYgY

[silverstar]

I live in the area of this, well I would call it an institutional structure. The underground area Ventura was exploring is called the Springfield Underground. It has been here since the mid-seventies. The community has always understood the underground system to be a storage area for products and supplies for the trucking companies that cross the country through this area. It is my understanding that anyone can rent a storage space in this facility although I have never tried. The "castle" has been a puzzlement to all of us, but our newspaper did an article on it and showed the family standing inside and called it a single-family home. The owner is supposed to be using it as an example of structural materials that can be used to build a place that is impenetrable to weather and catastrophic events. I wasn't aware of the other cave opening shown in the woods, but there are a lot of caves like that in the area.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Hello: Here is a much better link to the episode. Enjoy the show! As always Jesse gives us something to think about.
chancy

Link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ctjGuP7AYgY

Poof, and its gone:(

[chancy]

Hello: Here is a much better link to the episode. Enjoy the show! As always Jesse gives us something to think about.
chancy

Link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ctjGuP7AYgY

Poof, and its gone:(

Hello 665 plumber of the beast and everyone:
The good news is the first link still works even though it's not as good clarity. At least you can enjoy the flavor of the Conspiracy Theory with Jesse Ventura in the Ozarks.
chancy

[chancy]

I live in the area of this, well I would call it an institutional structure. The underground area Ventura was exploring is called the Springfield Underground. It has been here since the mid-seventies. The community has always understood the underground system to be a storage area for products and supplies for the trucking companies that cross the country through this area. It is my understanding that anyone can rent a storage space in this facility although I have never tried. The "castle" has been a puzzlement to all of us, but our newspaper did an article on it and showed the family standing inside and called it a single-family home. The owner is supposed to be using it as an example of structural materials that can be used to build a place that is impenetrable to weather and catastrophic events. I wasn't aware of the other cave opening shown in the woods, but there are a lot of caves like that in the area.

Hello Silverstar:
Thanks for the information! It's good to hear from someone that lives in the area! In the video the fellow with the flavorable name of "whiterabbit" said there were at least a dozen of these complexes in the area. Is this true silverstar? Are they all used for freight or are they off limits to the general public? It would be interesting to hear more about these massive complexes.
Thanks again for adding excellent information to the already intriguing story.
chancy

[MorningSong]

Here's something I just stumbled upon re: caves in the parks in the Ozarks... They are closing up the entrances with bars as a "precaution" to protect bats from getting White Nose Syndrome....yeah, I bet that will really help the bats!


IMPORTANT! ALL CAVES IN THE OZARK RIVERWAYS ARE NOW CLOSED TO VISITATION (Except for Guided Tours of Round Spring Cave). This is due to the discovery of White Nose Syndrome, a disease that kills bats, in Shannon County. Please respect these closed caves for the protection of the bats. More information on park cave closing. People are not affected by the disease, which is 90% fatal to bats, but people may carry the disease spores on clothing, shoes, eyeglasses, hair, etc. While every cave will NOT have a gate on it, all caves are closed to entry, except for guided tours of Round Spring Cave. Map and WNS Info

Over 300 caves have been identified within the boundaries of Ozark National Scenic Riverways, ranging from not much more than a rock overhang to one cave with almost seven miles of identified passages. Eight caves, including an open sinkhole, have been designated as outstanding natural features.

The Ozarks is an area typified by what is called "Karst Topography." This means that the geologic structures underneath the earth are made of soluble limestone and dolomite. Water has been at work underground wearing away passages- waterfilled ones we call springs and formerly water-filled ones we call caves. A karst landscape is one in which caves, springs, sinkholes and losing streams are found. Due to the porous nature of the ground, and the movement of water underground over sometimes great distances, groundwater in karst areas is particularly vulnerable to pollution.

Cave ecosystems are unique and delicately balanced, with major changes possibly occurring from relatively slight disturbances. Geologic formations in some caves are quite fragile, easily damaged by vandalism or visitor overuse. Their formation is extremely slow, and physical damage may remain in evidence for generations. Some caves have been used by man and animals since prehistoric times, and evidence of this use and artifacts may be easily obliterated. Some Ozark caves, which are better known or more easily reached, have received considerable visitation, and more damage and site deterioration have occurred. Caves may contain unsuspected hazards to visitors unfamiliar to such alien environments, and the threat of serious injury or death from falls or drowning is always present. Several caves serve as habitat for the endangered Indiana and gray bats. All park caves are now closed to visitation. Please respect these closures.

A serious disease of bats called White Nose Syndrome has been killing bats, including the Federally Endangered gray bat. It may be spread by humans. Due to the discovery of this disease in the area of the park, all park caves are now closed with the exception of guided tours of Round Spring Caverns. PLEASE do not bring in any clothes or gear, including shoes, cameras, hats, etc, that have been in any other cave into Round Spring Cave. If you have been in other caves, it may be best to reconsider your visit to Round Spring Cave completely for the sake of the bats. More info.

http://www.nps.gov/ozar/naturescience/cave.htm

[silverstar]

I know of no other complexes of this nature in the area...but I'm going to keep my eyes and ears open since he said that. There is an old castle in Springfield called The Pythian Castle. Lots of mystery with this castle. Pythian seems to have been the name of a secret organization, but I can't get any info concerning the Pythians. Early 20th century it was used as an orphanage. It is said that a Japanese prisoner of war was held there in WWII. I explored the castle before the current owner (a woman from New York) turned it into a venue for weddings and such as well as theatrical productions, also strangely for her to perform trapeze act. When I explored it, it was in terrible disrepair and I did find a Japanese sun drawn on the wall where they kept the prisoner. Also some Japanese symbols which I presented to someone familiar with the Japanese language...they said they had never seen these symbols...at least they didn't know what they meant. Woman from NY must have had a lot of money as she bought it for a song (something ridiculous like $1,000.00) then invested probably a small fortune into refurbishing it. She did a very nice job. It was included in a book about secret underground tunnels. I tried to find an opening to any tunnels, but was unable to find such openings. I did find a connection to the Pythian name....some kind of Catholic Knights organization. The information about the caves in this area and the fungus they are carrying was in our local newspaper. Some of these caves are in my neighborhood, but I have not seen any sick animals. One cave close to us filled with red clay several years ago. They performed a clean-up, but never gave a reason for this mess. This area is very sensitive because of the carst topography and I have been involved in several activist manuvers to prevent building in some areas. Consider we are in the middle of everywhere geographically. I think this would be a valuable location if sea levels were to rise. My father (Navy man) told me to never leave and he hoped we would not have a huge influx of people to keep the area a desirable place to live, which it is.

[bennycog]

this is a good short vid of jesse.. one of the good ones from him.. got to love it..

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the news report jesse was talking about..

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[Flash]

I think Jessee Ventura is a gross, uneducated, big mouth. But Gosh, do I like the guy. this inteview bennycog is just outstanding for the regular folk. And he can stand up to the interviewer. You do have to be gross, big mouth to stand up to these kind of interviews.

I just did not like what he did to Icke.

[bennycog]

no i dont like it either flash.. i dont think he understands how good icke is doing for the world.. jesse might have ego as most of these guys do.. but i try to see past it and see a message.. and his message in the above vid is fantastic..

[Shade]

http://vimeo.com/54812859

Season 3 Episode 7 of Jessie Ventura's Conspiracy Theory: "The Ozarks"

This is the first episode of this show I have watched. It wasn't exactly 'in depth' but had some interesting footage of an above ground fortress and a huge underground facility.

[Trail]

Quite shocking to see that facility.. and thats probably just the parking lot..

[Airwooz]

http://articles.ky3.com/2012-11-27/ozarks_35418574

http://www.undergroundozarks.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7352&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

[Shade]

Quite shocking to see that facility.. and thats probably just the parking lot..

Yeah wasn't it? I would like to know the official story as to what the hell that place is. And how did they just drive right in????? And what were they hearing in that cave?! It was shocking because we know exactly what it is and what its for. After watching it I was thinking... how do the people in there know that the super uber elite of the elite haven't got 'exterminate buttons' for entire facilities like that... in that when and if D day comes they don't get in there and get terminated along with the rest? Guarantee?
Also if people know where their facilities are what's going to stop people from digging them out as well? I can see that it would be very easy for the public to get rallied against them and instead of turning on each other they would turn on them instead.

[modwiz]

Quite shocking to see that facility.. and thats probably just the parking lot..


Also if people know where their facilities are what's going to stop people from digging them out as well? I can see that it would be very easy for the public to get rallied against them and instead of turning on each other they would turn on them instead.

Now you're getting me all excited.:cool:

[Shade]

http://articles.ky3.com/2012-11-27/ozarks_35418574

http://www.undergroundozarks.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7352&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

I just read these links. The second one about the white rabbit cave explorer is in stark contrast to the figure we see in the episode... he's a huge skeptic? what? If I had to choose between the two I would have to believe the one where we see a person in the flesh and what they say on film, because that is straighforward, and the person in the thread isn't necessarily the same person as on camera.

And the underground facility's official purpose is "Springfield Underground eh".
A convenient point of contact for millions of tons of food and supplies being brought in by civilian and public businesses???? A perfect cover. Then onto the rail system [and the rest] to any underground facility in the country and even the world.

[Airwooz]

My questions is if they had known what kind of truck he is driving...his sound and his shape...what's the point of censoring his face ?

Secondly when the Sheriff knocked them inside the car, they had a close-up shot of the door knock seems staged to me.

[modwiz]

My questions is if they had known what kind of truck he is driving...his sound and his shape...what's the point of censoring his face ?

Secondly when the Sheriff knocked them inside the car, they had a close-up shot of the door knock seems staged to me.

It's TV. I am sure it was staged. Bill was kind enough to give us an inside scoop on that kind of stuff. He and Kerry had a staged "interaction" for their show too.

There are people whose jobs depend on making sure something has to be staged. It's a very special talent. :dizzy:

[G.Deluca]

i expect more security for a secret base to be honest,i'm not saying it's not a strange case but all the staged parts really don't helmp me believe the story :)

[kaon]

I was really intrigued by this episode. I knew about the "mansion" being built but didn't know anything about the tunnels. That was quite an eye opener.

[ExomatrixTV]

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[Douglass]

Ya Piers although gun deaths are decreased in Britain its also after the 1990's gun ban the most violent place in the EU. You can cite gun deaths all you want but the violent crimes statistic speaks for itself. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196941/The-violent-country-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S.html

[buckminster fuller]

The time where any american citizen will find himself aiming at ACTUAL puppet masters, and not their minions, who are dogs indeed, but still our brothers, duped and used as slaves specialized in betraying their own people; this time is not to come... Those guns you cherish so much haven't even scratched the varnished surface of their floor. The 10s of THOUSANDS of people dying in the street because weapons are like candies and can be bought with so little regulation don't serve any cause. Only that of fear in the public, and this is soo good for tptb... Fear IS the tool of control. Guns in the street just promote more fear and violence. Guns are not the ultimate tool of resistance and survival. That would be your intelligence.
The argument that people should fear a dictatorship is fallacious. The dictatorship is global today, it is corporative and not governmental. I'm really sorry but all I see is frustration on the part of those defending guns for everyone...
Moreover, when the sh.. will hit the fan, it's not your government you'll have to fear but other people. You'll be glad to have a gun since they have one too. Yet, when confronting them you know there is death at the corner... And the PTB will keep on laughing at you MURDERING each others. They love us doing that. What we need is not Rambos (the guy is sick), we need people with brain instead of fire power.

[GoodETxSG]

Notice also the media does not cover incidents when people with Gun Permits have done just what Jesse said and saved lives or when someone like the disturbed person in china attacked a school with a butcher knife with over 20 victims.... like the second poster stated, its violent crime that is the problem. I have talked in circles with people that are against guns many times and avoid it now. These are the people that are usually liberal and lean towards Marxism and Despotism and would welcome it... until they have lived under it for about a decade and watched this well known beasts evolution from a promise of a equal piece of the pie with out working for it to a monster of broken promises... just see how our leaders lie and we vote for them. It is the duty of all free men to throw off the shackles of a despotism and its enforcers. Pure and simple.

[kaon]

The founding fathers gave us the right to bear arms and like JV mentioned, they had an oppressive government in mind when they wrote it.

I think that it is clear that when gun control or abolition is in effect it is the innocent citizens that suffer the most. The link was presented by Douglass shows some staggering statistics especially in Great Brittan.
It is also a fact that the crime rate in Australia had jumped when their government took away their right to defend themselves. It is not just about about gun murders/crimes. I haven't seen any stats but I think it would be common sense that more innocent people were clubbed and stabbed to their deaths because a few criminals didn't have access to guns. (I will research that point).

Buckminster. You are correct on much of what you are saying. I like your way of thinking. Unfortunately mankind is not civilized enough to prevail with brain power at this stage. If Avalon was a State, yes it would work.
The dictatorship while global as you had mentioned starts in our own back yards. I don't think it matters to me if it is global or not. Dictatorship and oppression is enforced locally and that's what concerns me. It is what the Finesteins (and other politicians are up to) in the U.S. that bothers me right now.

My final point is what would happen if our guns are taken away in the U.S.? Well, we would move to #1 on Douglass's statistic list, and probably quintuple Great Brittan. The criminals would go on rampages because the fear of the citizens would be eliminated. There would still be a percentage of murders by guns and many would be innocent citizens. Sure the criminals will still be killing each other which accounts for a high percentage of the gun murders now, but will the innocent citizens really benefit in that category? Why disarm all but government and criminals? This does not make sense.

[ghostrider]

Missles kill more than people than anything, do we institute missle control or a ban on missles ? If they would enforce the laws on people committing crime with guns, lock them away no parole , no deals behind closed doors that is a start. How many are killed by stray missles ? or fragments from huge explosions from war ? How many were killed by trucks that don't stop in convoys in Iraq ? How many were killed by land mines ? Trying to take away guns from citizens will only lead to problems. You won't get around the second amendment.

[Alan]

Thanks for the video, I love Jesse.

IMO when discussing the pros and cons of gun control, there is no point in comparing firearm-related deaths between countries -- there are too many differences and contributing variables to make the comparison useful.

Instead, look at examples of places which have had both gun control and no gun control, and compare the results. For example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0sdZz5SntE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjzKQNxoFNo

[dreamer]

The time where any american citizen will find himself aiming at ACTUAL puppet masters, and not their minions, who are dogs indeed, but still our brothers, duped and used as slaves specialized in betraying their own people; this time is not to come... Those guns you cherish so much haven't even scratched the varnished surface of their floor. The 10s of THOUSANDS of people dying in the street because weapons are like candies and can be bought with so little regulation don't serve any cause. Only that of fear in the public, and this is soo good for tptb... Fear IS the tool of control. Guns in the street just promote more fear and violence. Guns are not the ultimate tool of resistance and survival. That would be your intelligence.
The argument that people should fear a dictatorship is fallacious. The dictatorship is global today, it is corporative and not governmental. I'm really sorry but all I see is frustration on the part of those defending guns for everyone...
Moreover, when the sh.. will hit the fan, it's not your government you'll have to fear but other people. You'll be glad to have a gun since they have one too. Yet, when confronting them you know there is death at the corner... And the PTB will keep on laughing at you MURDERING each others. They love us doing that. What we need is not Rambos (the guy is sick), we need people with brain instead of fire power.

Until that glorious day when you can snap your finger and make every single gun disappear, your argument is strikingly flawed. Say what you will, but you cannot "think" your way out of a criminals bullet headed your way. would you have used this argument with Americans as they planned there attacks on the British as they won there independence? Fact is, guns are here, more than anywhere else, taking them will never work. lets treat the sickness, not the symptom.

[T Smith]

In a perfect world, there would be no guns, only love.

In dystopia, only authoritarians, tyrants, and psychopaths have possession of guns, and we plebs are doomed to serfdom, slavery, torture, and suffering.

The issue with contemplating these polarities, is the public consciousness is molded, shaped, and manipulated by skilled authoritarians, tyrants, and psychopaths. We are duped into slavery by aiming for a magic Utopia that will never exist save first for a spiritual awakening within each and every one of us. Then may a collective Utopia, or ascension to Unity Consciousness be possible.

As we beings manifest our reality in polarity consciousness, however, any who falsely beguile with the promise of a magic utopia are merely ushering in the most horrifying dystopia imaginable.

Banning guns is not the answer.

[T Smith]

The time where any american citizen will find himself aiming at ACTUAL puppet masters, and not their minions, who are dogs indeed, but still our brothers, duped and used as slaves specialized in betraying their own people; this time is not to come... Those guns you cherish so much haven't even scratched the varnished surface of their floor. The 10s of THOUSANDS of people dying in the street because weapons are like candies and can be bought with so little regulation don't serve any cause. Only that of fear in the public, and this is soo good for tptb... Fear IS the tool of control. Guns in the street just promote more fear and violence. Guns are not the ultimate tool of resistance and survival. That would be your intelligence.
The argument that people should fear a dictatorship is fallacious. The dictatorship is global today, it is corporative and not governmental. I'm really sorry but all I see is frustration on the part of those defending guns for everyone...
Moreover, when the sh.. will hit the fan, it's not your government you'll have to fear but other people. You'll be glad to have a gun since they have one too. Yet, when confronting them you know there is death at the corner... And the PTB will keep on laughing at you MURDERING each others. They love us doing that. What we need is not Rambos (the guy is sick), we need people with brain instead of fire power.

I have to respectfully disagree with this analysis.

Yes, the dictatorship is global, and yes, the dictatorship is corporate. But what matters is not who oppresses, a king, a tyrant, a governmental bureaucracy, or a corporate power. Power is power. We live in a fascist world, where a cabal of banks and corporations employ governments as assets of power. There is likely an inter-dimensional power influencing or controlling the various cabals of power pulling the strings of government, but that's really a side issue to the point. The point is, it's not government, per se, we serfs should arm ourselves against, but those powers who commandeer the governments, whoever or whatever they be.

The notion that people will not aim at the puppet masters is sound... but only in a world where the puppet masters are cloaked to the vast majority of people. And there is but one reason for this. And the reason is the controllers must operate in darkness in a world where a potentially aware (and armed) population could easily topple their power structure, if only they were to awaken to reality. The weaponry of choice employed against an armed population of slaves is mass psyops and illusion. These are "soft" weapons. If and when the population is defenseless, soft weapons will become obsolete and the power structure will launch the much more effective hard weapons. Mass culling of the people via bio weaponry, mass murder technology beyond imagination, etc.

The vast majority of people have no understanding of the power structure on this planet. They maintain an elementary and cartoonish understanding of the world around them. Most believe in a world where they vote in their leaders, that they have rights and freedoms, etc. This is all a craftily inculcated illusion, instilled in large part, if not solely, because the people are armed and believe they are free. As long as a physical threat to the puppet masters remains, the controllers are forced to operate in darkness and reduced to dupe and manipulate the masses so they don't lose their heads by an aware and awakened mob.

The key, then, in a world with a very inconvenient 2nd-Amendment right among the slaves, is to keep the masses unaware, asleep, and zombified. Diet, injection, and injunction serves these objectives well as TPTB operate in stealth. They understand well the people could easily conquer them, if only they knew the target.

I abhor violence and even guns as much as anybody, and I agree with the intent behind most of your reasoning, but I can promise you, if and when the people are disarmed, there will be no longer be any reason for the power structure to operate "behind the curtain" so to speak. They will no longer have to propagate the illusion and pretend we are a free society and a free people. They will uncloak fully and the hammer will drop. These powers will make Hitler's, Stalin's, and Mao's regimes look like Mr. Roger's neighborhood -- and an ultimate totalitarian regime may well enslave the people ad infinitum.

[buckminster fuller]

It really is about our current paradigm, the very one that allows tptb to control things from above. We have to understand that control doesn't have to be physical to put us all in slavery. The only thing guns can do is "protect" one's physical integrity, at the expense of another person's physical integrity. I don't see guns used to recover nation's sovereignty. I see guns used in ALWAYS individualistic ways, either aggressive or defensive. But I guess I'm trespassing cultural frontiers here. Yet, the key to control us is exactly this, make us believe that the scale of things is that of the individual, and that there is nothing above that. Still, we're all concerned by the collective. Early societies understood that very well, we forgot. We live in a fantasy land where we're make to believe that the other is the enemy (the competitor), and that to exist we need to walk on other people's bodies. This is so sick from a distance..

Edit : I take it there is no reason for a police force to exist then, and that the old law of the Talion should be brought back..? An eye for an eye, and people doing justice to themselves ..? This always goes down the slippery road of survival for the fittest, which is, I believe, at the core of what the ptb have planed for us.

[T Smith]

It really is about our current paradigm, the very one that allows tptb to control things from above. We have to understand that control doesn't have to be physical to put us all in slavery. The only thing guns can do is "protect" one's physical integrity, at the expense of another person's physical integrity. I don't see guns used to recover nation's sovereignty. I see guns used in ALWAYS individualistic ways, either aggressive or defensive. But I guess I'm trespassing cultural frontiers here. Yet, the key to control us is exactly this, make us believe that the scale of things is that of the individual, and that there is nothing above that. Still, we're all concerned by the collective. Early societies understood that very well, we forgot. We live in a fantasy land where we're make to believe that the other is the enemy (the competitor), and that to exist we need to walk on other people's bodies. This is so sick from a distance..

Edit : I take it there is no reason for a police force to exist then, and that the old law of the Talion should be brought back..? An eye for an eye, and people doing justice to themselves ..? This always goes down the slippery road of survival for the fittest, which is, I believe, at the core of what the ptb have planed for us.

This is a very important and productive discussion. I think you are correct in asserting that guns are used in individualistic ways, aggressive or defensive. Individualism may be primitive and disdainful to those of us who do experience a more expansive consciousness beyond the ego, but we are all spiritual beings on a journey, each more or less advanced on our journey of transcending polarity consciousness. The whole notion of individual consciousness, however, i.e., the separation of the individual from the Whole, is a reflection of who and what we are at this stage of our development as species.

That said, if we are to acknowledge the scale of things does not stop at the Individual, which you correctly imply above, then the discovery of this truth is only possible in a free and natural state as we move through polarity consciousness. No authority, nor tyrant, or God or Deity imposed upon us, even with the best of intentions, can direct this development or ever save us from ourselves as we develop and grow as a collective and move past our selfish understanding of the world. Rather, discovery and development of the collective is only possible given a milieu of individual development free of control. This is the idea behind individual rights, not granted by an authority, the government, the collective, or even the species as a whole, but by the Divine, of which the Individual is part. We would all do well to stake out these rights and defend them, no matter how primitive the concept, as a birthright of being conscious and alive as spiritual beings. Yet we do not, in large part because we are conditioned by those who impose the collective on us to believe it is backward and selfish to embrace the individual, that the individual doesn't matter, and what matters is the needs of the collective. This is a program instilled in each and every one of us from birth. As a result, the rights of we individuals on this planet are under continual assault by those whose objective is to control and enslave us, largely in the name of the collective, which we all do intuitively grasp and understand as something that is greater than the individual. Our intuitive understanding of our spiritual being is used against us. So we acquiesce on every front, I believe, because we don't fully understand the importance of protecting our individual rights. And yes, I grant you these ideas may be cultural ideas, based on the history of past struggles between the people en masse and those who attempt to control and enslave.

A police force should exist. A very good balance of social justice can ensue around the untenable concept of individual rights. That said, a good many number of issues of society should be controlled and governed at the individual level. Others at the family level. Yet others at the community level (e.g., police force), State level, Federal level, and perhaps even Global level. However, the higher levels of government should never control the lower levels. The lower levels should always control the higher levels, starting with an untenable decree of individual rights as a solid foundation.

[ghostrider]

, if you want to ban guns , ban guns . FOR EVERYONE. it aint gonna happen no matter how many false flags they do ...

[ghostrider]

The time where any american citizen will find himself aiming at ACTUAL puppet masters, and not their minions, who are dogs indeed, but still our brothers, duped and used as slaves specialized in betraying their own people; this time is not to come... Those guns you cherish so much haven't even scratched the varnished surface of their floor. The 10s of THOUSANDS of people dying in the street because weapons are like candies and can be bought with so little regulation don't serve any cause. Only that of fear in the public, and this is soo good for tptb... Fear IS the tool of control. Guns in the street just promote more fear and violence. Guns are not the ultimate tool of resistance and survival. That would be your intelligence.
The argument that people should fear a dictatorship is fallacious. The dictatorship is global today, it is corporative and not governmental. I'm really sorry but all I see is frustration on the part of those defending guns for everyone...
Moreover, when the sh.. will hit the fan, it's not your government you'll have to fear but other people. You'll be glad to have a gun since they have one too. Yet, when confronting them you know there is death at the corner... And the PTB will keep on laughing at you MURDERING each others. They love us doing that. What we need is not Rambos (the guy is sick), we need people with brain instead of fire power.

well said. We also need a way to stop the sound weapons they will surely employ like they did on the iraq army... when the poop hits the fan , they have lots of toys that we don't even know about, they will throw the kitchen sink at us, for this has been building for a long time, the apex of the final agenda.

[buckminster fuller]

Thanks T Smith for those insightful comments. it got me thinking that, in our current paradigm, both those ideas of liberalism and collectivism are employed in a mirrored way so as to leave no place for actual problem solving. Both "isms" are counterpoint, and yet needed balance points for each others. Ideologies, and cultural (via mass media) over-simplification of those ideas are prohibiting the definitely needed understanding of the complexity of a possible society. You did describe that pretty well in your previous comment. It goes with the basic idea that education (as openness, access to valuable history sources, and creative thinking) is key to it all.

[ExomatrixTV]

~Piers Morgan is a talking snake ... listen carefully he talks (insinuates) as if it is a "right" to murder innocents (a.o. children) HE TALKS LIKE A CRAFTED SCRIPTED EDITORIAL EDITED propaganda double-speak salesman promoting mass NWO enslavement!

cheers,
John


[rightsideofhistory quote]"



"No, you're not correct. America is 20X to 30X the number of gun deaths per capita than every other nation on earth. It's because it's an armed populous. If you snap your fingers and all 300 million guns were never there, and basically only hunting rifles and shotguns, gun deaths would plummet to three figures annually (which would be the rarest of the rare killings, by criminals who managed to find a pistol or machine gun). But of course, it would take 50-100 years to "undo" to that point."
"[rightsideofhistory unquote]

~you "forget" the corrupt judge system of USA google what "plea bargain system" does, and how many real killers can be on the streets again!

Piers wake up, the figures he quoted are from Apr2008 to Mar 2009, but Apr 2010 to Mar 2011 there were 11,227 recorded offenses involving firearms in Britain, see brake down below; • Homicide = 58 • Attempted murder/GBH with intent = 757 • Other = 3,317 Violent crimes for the same year; • Robbery = 2,965 • Burglary = 151 • Criminal damage = 3,287 • Other = 690 Violent crimes have risen over the last 30 years, due to the disarmament of citizens ability to defend themselves!

The population of England as of 2011 was 53 million. Population of France in same year, 66 million; population of Italy, 61 million; population of Germany, 82 million. The 2012 population of the United States, 315 million. Those 4 countries (262mill.) still don't add up to pop. of US. Whose argument is facile now? Pop. of Mexico, 115 million: cartel is NO excuse; it's a bunch of crazy-ass murderous thugs, and a murderous thug is a murderous thug.

The media has also been suppressing the fact that the shooting at the mall in Oregon this December was STOPPED BY AN ARMED CIVILIAN (Watch the vid: "Oregon Mall Shooter Was Stopped by Armed Civilian - Media Hides Truth - Mike Hoggard Reports.") Case in point.

They aren't reporting this fact, and many other facts, because they aren't interested in an honest debate. Shills like Piers Morgan are paid to sway public opinion in favor of the NWO agenda. If the gov't falls, so should Piers Morgan.

80% of murders in the UK are committed with a knife. Take the gun away, they use a knife, take the knife away, they use a baseball bat, take the bat away, they use a bomb, etc, etc., etc. There are roughly 550 murders per year in the UK (1.4 per 100,00 which is about the same as Minnesota).

~last but not least: Swiss (not part of the Orwellian EU) has a mandatory arms for EVERY citizen, and has one of the lowest crime rates!

Take into consideration what has happened in Australia after the gun ban: crime is up 69 percent and murders are up 29 percent...just think about that!

cheers,
John

[Sidney]

In 2011 8,583 fatalities in the US from firearms. (rough statistic).....Roughly 32,000 people in the US died in auto accidents the same year. HMMMM- When are they going to ban cars?????????

[buckminster fuller]

In 2011 8,583 fatalities in the US from firearms. (rough statistic).....Roughly 32,000 people in the US died in auto accidents the same year. HMMMM- When are they going to ban cars?????????

In terms of usefulness and numbers, it really is meaningless to compare both objects. There are a lot more cars than weapons in the united states, allowing people to go to work, school, and sometimes carry victims of gun shots to hospitals. Tobacco would be a better comparison to make but hey, lobby wise, it's the same as guns...

[kaon]

I ran across a video today which fits this thread like a glove. I found it interesting that the 50% drop in violent crimes in the U.S. should be a badge of honor for law enforcement, but as the maker of the video noted it goes largely unspoken in the mainstream media because it doesn't fit their current agenda.

http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/119988/Choose_Your_Own_Crime_Stats/

[Camilo]

Monday, 31 December 2012 08:37
Written by Kerry Cassidy


For those of you who aren't watching the Jesse Ventura "Conspiracy Theory" show.. I recommend checking this one out. It's a solid look at some of the preparations being made to go underground by the PTB... This is just one of many such installations across the country.

Recommended.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AT7-6DhaFA


A very provocative video to say the least.

[gripreaper]

Just watched it. Nothing new here. We've known about the underground network of cities and bunkers for some time.

The unanswered question still remains, what are they preparing for? My answer to that is, they don't know for sure, but they cover all contingencies. If there are 7 possible scenario's, either natural or made by them, they have full contingency plans for all of them.

If they want to start total collapse and civil disobedience, where the surface turns into anarchy and we all fight against each other for survival, then these are their bunkers. So this might be why they want to fully arm us while selling us gun control. If they are expecting a possible collision from deep space, then they hop in their spaceships and go off world. They return after the fact and go to their seed vault hidden way up in the north seas, and start again.

Regardless, the salient point remains: They are preparing for something big. Bill?

[gooty64]

That's really sickening seeing the underground highway with 2 lanes and clearance for semi-trucks. WTF are they doing?
And the superiority and entitlement of the ptb makes me ill.
Underground cities for the elite while the surface of the earth gets cleansed, how lovely:laugh:

[risveglio]

Just watched it. Nothing new here. We've known about the underground network of cities and bunkers for some time.

The unanswered question still remains, what are they preparing for? My answer to that is, they don't know for sure, but they cover all contingencies. If there are 7 possible scenario's, either natural or made by them, they have full contingency plans for all of them.

If they want to start total collapse and civil disobedience, where the surface turns into anarchy and we all fight against each other for survival, then these are their bunkers. So this might be why they want to fully arm us while selling us gun control. If they are expecting a possible collision from deep space, then they hop in their spaceships and go off world. They return after the fact and go to their seed vault hidden way up in the north seas, and start again.

Regardless, the salient point remains: They are preparing for something big. Bill?

Can we change anarchy to chaos? I think anarchy would be a good thing, chaos not so much. In 5000 years we have not tried a world without government except in a few select places.

[avid]

Really nothing new - apart from the NEW banks and that daft large 'house'. We know there are enclaved developments in the Ozarks. 'People' are 'retiring' there.....
The underground stuff and the earthquake-related development of such stuff is believable. However - if we KNOW where they hide - they are not safe are they...? When there is justice at last, they are (almost) all together.... ;-)

[ghostrider]

Once the ptb go undergound, they are all in one place. Can they come out of their rat holes ?? If they do we know exactly who they are... maybe once they are in their underground cities , maybe we could keep them in there away from us, maybe the new battle will be with the people of hollow earth. Ha , we don't want them , and the hollow earth doesn't want them, how does that feel, no race, above or below or inside earth wants you maniacs anywhere near them....

[Timewaster]

Jesse did a interview with Alex Jones recently, and Jesse said that in that underground highway they filmed much more stuff like tennis courts & playgrounds etc under there, but Tru TV edited it out of the episode, to just show the empty highway.

[CdnSirian]

I visited Los Angeles in 1987 and went to a New Agey kind of restaurant - meeting place - crystal and book store place. There was the book on underground bases. So they've been around for -- how long?

What I observe is the "the plans" have been foiled for a long time. Could that be...."Us"? Just us humans?

[WhiteFeather]

I had a most spectacular yet arduous thought here.

In my scenario... TPTW decide to initiate their evil strategic plans against there enemy (us)... the 99%'s.

The shyte starts to get a lil ugly, and they (TPTW) now quickly decide they are ready to head to their secured bunkers underground as a safe haven and await the enemy to destroy themselves.

Several days go by during the mayhem.

Astonishingly a truce and order succumbs, and the planet does a complete 360, the 99%s maintain stability and a peaceful calm, calling out a truce to mankind.

The Rabbits (TPTW) nestled safely in their underground rabbit holes, thereby become entombed permanently in their now underground masoleums by their enemys 99%s hereby sealing there fate and demise.

Mordor has crumbled, And Peace and Balance Now Restored Back To Planet Earth and All Of Its Inhabitants

Mankind, then starts a new evolution and a new earth is has begun.

As For The 1%s..... You Cant Dodge Karma,,,, and what you send out to the Universe, The Universe will respond. Ouch!!!


:wizard:

[sirdipswitch]

As far as I'm concerned, the new world order crowd, ain't too smart. I could have gotten it done years ago, and here they are, 100 years after they started, still sittin around tryin to figure out how to get done. Duh!!!

They are scared to death of us. You know why that is? It is because they fully understand what the meanest animal on the planet is. America, with its back against the wall. All we know is Freedom. When someone tries to take that from us, we will come together and fight "Anything" to the death. That scares them more than any other single thing about us. We have had more than 200 years of freedom, and will not go down quietly, and they know that.

I will love and praise everything, until someone backs me into a corner, and then I will turn into the animal that they know I am. And you will too.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

This was an interesting episode, i knever know what to think about Jesse though, i mean, the stick of tptb is to announce everything they do to us, its their "code of honor " (whatever that means), and every media outlet incluiding the alternative is an outlet, this goes for Jesse as well, and he is pretty mainstream now imo, so these shows can also been seen as scare tactics, you know like the discovery shows on military power, arms, its pr. It gets harder to tell the difference between info and disinfo every day imo.

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[Stargazer]

Once the ptb go undergound, they are all in one place. Can they come out of their rat holes ?? If they do we know exactly who they are... maybe once they are in their underground cities , maybe we could keep them in there away from us, maybe the new battle will be with the people of hollow earth. Ha , we don't want them , and the hollow earth doesn't want them, how does that feel, no race, above or below or inside earth wants you maniacs anywhere near them....

Hmm...Just imagine if we all flushed at the same moment.....Hmmm...Just imagine:lever:

[Sidney]

I did see that one and I have to say it made my hair stand on end seeing this on MSM. I am shocked that it even aired. Jesse has got some balls, that's for sure.

[Mulder]

I don't care about the underground bases as all that will happen is the elite will survive a little while longer. When they run out of coffee, etc. then they will have to come out and die then. Or they will become tombs and the elite will die with everyone else.

[Selene]

I do think ol' Jesse and his crew deserve full credit for giving us the first really good video of one of these places. (Interesting that it was 'hidden in plain sight'....)

Yes, we've heard about these, read about them, etc etc. But he had the cojones to drive a truck - with crew - into one. And put it on TV.

Go, Jesse.

Cheers,

Selene

[mosquito]

What's the series and episode number please ??

A few strategically placed charges on the ventilations shafts and escape routes should see these vermin entombed forever.

[syrwong]

I like this way of the illuminatiis. Like prophets, aliens, science fiction writers, Hollywood films, they do tell you what to expect for the future. The messages are loud and clear. Humanity has been given the opportunities time and again to alter the future timelines, if they take these hints seriously enough. But they never do.

[Strat]

What's the series and episode number please ??

Season 3, Episode 4 - The Ozarks

I have a friend who doesn't like Ventura, but even he admits this is a great episode. What really threw me off was the railroad tracks. Why do they need that? Think of the logistics involved when a problem's solution is railroad tracks. What/who needs that kind of supplies?

[Maia Gabrial]

The Rabbits (TPTW) nestled safely in their underground rabbit holes, thereby become entombed permanently in their now underground masoleums by their enemys 99%s hereby sealing there fate and demise

The only thing I disagree with is calling them rabbits (as if they're cute little bunnies). These guys are rats or even KaKa roaches, scurrying the traps. Sounds to me like they're scared sh*tless.... Good!

The other thing I suspect is that they may be going into hiding to avoid being captured. Could it possibly be that there IS such a thing as a Universal Law Enforcement and they've got their arrest warrants or death warrants? IMO, the only thing these rats are preparing for is avoiding incarceration.... They've got every reason to fear and it's not long now, folks. This is what I want manifested so that we can begin a better world without them and their influence in it....

[conk]

Once the ptb go undergound, they are all in one place. Can they come out of their rat holes ?? If they do we know exactly who they are... maybe once they are in their underground cities , maybe we could keep them in there away from us, maybe the new battle will be with the people of hollow earth. Ha , we don't want them , and the hollow earth doesn't want them, how does that feel, no race, above or below or inside earth wants you maniacs anywhere near them....
Maybe we can find the air intakes while avoiding zombies and the staving welfare hoards. Let your imagination determine what to spray into them. ;)

What's very interesting is the number of underground cities from the distance past. It seems that periodically some number of us go underground. There are huge underground cities and communities. The one in Turkey had 20,000 people, stables, food storage, gardens, etc. Just wow!

[sigma6]

Just baiting Jesse with the most obvious conspiratorially plotted government sponsored murder bloodletting to see if he would take the bait, but Jesse was way too smart for these Mind Control Practitioners and stuck to the simple basic issues.

Jesse even seems to be understanding how the audiences in these shows are so subliminally influenced that he knew he had to "give them permission" to respond naturally... loved it how he released the suppressed laughter and applause, and exposed how these shows are actually preventing people from responding naturally...

I think people have to understand how politically correct "guidelines" are just another level of subtle programming and need to be transcended if people want to remember what it is like to express themselves freely and spontaneously.

[Cidersomerset]

Something that i remembered, they have been building underground bases since WW11 all over
America and there are several threads on here about that.But the supposed US Navy map puts
the Ozarks under water. Which would be ironic.This maybe for the 1% to hide away in case civil
unrest in the cities gets out of control and they do a french revolution scenario !!

http://www.nps.gov/ozar/forteachers/images/cave-map.jpg

http://i2.wp.com/theintelhub.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/USA-Map-NAVYd.jpg?resize=391%2C240

http://theintelhub.com/2011/05/14/u-s-navy-map-showing-large-areas-of-u-s-submerged-happening-now/

I know its all speculation but they are preparing for something up there !!

[realitycorrodes]

INNOCENTS BETRAYED - The TRUE story of GUN CONTROL WORLDWID


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDivHkQ2GSg

this powerful documentary produced by Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership (http://jpfo.org), you will learn how governments have historically deprived people of firearms ... and then wiped them from the face of the earth.

This is the true story of Gun control from around the world, especially in the 20th century. It details how governments have ALWAYS BEEN the biggest threat to the safety, security and prosperity of the people. While Americans can see how this could happen in other countries, most can't EVER imaging it being able to happen here because there are so many rights guaranteed by the constitution. But that ONLY when the people STAND UP for those rights, because it's the nature of government to constantly try and TAKE them away from us.

The producers of this film encourage copies of this film to be distributed as far and wide as possible, with the understanding that this permission is granted ONLY for non-commercial use. You can buy a DVD copy of this and other films at
http://shop.jpfo.org/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=110 and http://jpfo.org/

Numerous school massacres stopped by gun owners who wielded their weapons in defense of children
http://www.naturalnews.com/038404_massacres_gun_owners_defense.html#ixzz2GWNn...

Armed Citizens Make Fewer Mistakes Than Police

Don't think that just because the police are trained in the use of firearms that they are less likely to kill an innocent person. A University of Chicago Study revealed that in 1993 approximately 700,000 police killed 330 innocent individuals, while approximately 250,000,000 private citizens only killed 30 innocent people. Do the math. That's a per capita rate for the police, of almost 4000 times higher than the population in general. OK, that is a little misleading. Let's just include the 80,000,000 gun owning citizens. Now the police are down to only a 1200 times higher accidental shooting rate than the gun-owning population in general.

That still sounds high. So let's look at it in a different light. According to a study by Newsweek magazine, only 2% of civilian shootings involve an innocent person being shot (not killed). The error rate for police is 11%. What this means is that you are more than 5 times more likely to be accidentally shot by a policeman than by an armed citizen. But, when you consider that citizens shoot and kill at least twice as many criminals as do police every year, it means that, per capita, you are more than 11 times more likely to be accidentally shot by a policeman than by an armed citizen. That is as low as I can get that number.

http://actionamerica.org/guns/guns1.shtml

Our forefathers, weary of the oppressive measures that King George III's government forced upon them, in common declared their independence from England in 1776. They were not expected to be successful in that resistance. The moneyed people had backed England for two major reasons. First, our forefathers wanted a rigid, written Constitution "set in concrete."

"No Free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms," wrote Thomas Jefferson.

"Americans have the right and advantage of being armed — unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms," argued James Madison.

As Thomas Jefferson said "Experience has shown that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted into tyranny".

¤=[Post Update]=¤

END CIV Resist Or Die (Full)


END:CIV examines our culture's addiction to systematic violence and environmental exploitation, and probes the resulting epidemic of poisoned landscapes and shell-shocked nations.

Based in part on Endgame, the best-selling book by Derrick Jensen, END:CIV asks: "If your homeland was invaded by aliens who cut down the forests, poisoned the water and air, and contaminated the food supply, would you resist?"

Directors: Franklin Lopez
Language English
Studio: Mvd Visual
Release Date: 25 Jan 2011
Run Time: 75 minutes

Info: http://endciv.com




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hx-G1uhRqA

[Cidersomerset]

This was an interesting episode, i knever know what to think about Jesse though, i mean, the stick of tptb is to announce everything they do to us, its their "code of honor " (whatever that means), and every media outlet incluiding the alternative is an outlet, this goes for Jesse as well, and he is pretty mainstream now imo, so these shows can also been seen as scare tactics, you know like the discovery shows on military power, arms, its pr. It gets harder to tell the difference between info and disinfo every day imo.


18PtOXrzDVE


This should be all over the mainstream press .......Answers a lot of questions about
these random 'lone nut Shooters !!! I reconise this from the MK Ultra thread
I did and the cell phone micro wave problem. Our brains are natural frequency
atenas so this is no disinfo from what I've come across , Scary stuff True !!

[DeDukshyn]

Thanks T Smith for those insightful comments. it got me thinking that, in our current paradigm, both those ideas of liberalism and collectivism are employed in a mirrored way so as to leave no place for actual problem solving. Both "isms" are counterpoint, and yet needed balance points for each others. Ideologies, and cultural (via mass media) over-simplification of those ideas are prohibiting the definitely needed understanding of the complexity of a possible society. You did describe that pretty well in your previous comment. It goes with the basic idea that education (as openness, access to valuable history sources, and creative thinking) is key to it all.

You are making some good points Buck, perhaps adding the dimension of time to these considerations is applicable. I foresee a day when "weapons" and their use becomes undesirable by all. I think that when man can evolve spiritually enough we can and will find properly effective methods of conflict management.

Most people are now seeing the state of things a little bit as "super rich vs middle class" and in reality there is a lot truth to this view. The super rich control our leaders and our economy, even our lawmakers. So the view of "guns vs no guns", for many becomes, "freedom to defend ourselves vs no way to defend ourselves from our new enemy". In the grand scheme, if this were not the case, I think many would rather opt for "no guns at all" -- but this isn't an option being given.

The "internal revolution" has to be more complete before removal of guns is helpful. Education, proper parenting, more emphasis on spiritual values (not religious) and keeping the TV off will all aid in the internal individual change that is also required.


I'll use the Canadian "Long Gun Registry" to point out billions of dollars wasted on a system that didn't help save a single life. And then our tax dollars used again to dismantle the project after several years of complete failure. Gun control is the wrong answer to the larger question right now, and is being implemented to provide a benefit to a few, not to the masses; unfortunately.

It is a complex topic to think about, but I truly think that gun control right now is irrelevant and doesn't answer the question that it is proclaimed to be the answer for. The solution begins elsewhere, and in the mean time, holding onto our freedoms may be beneficial for the unfolding of this process ... ;)

My 2 cents ;)

[mountain_jim]

I wonder if these will be rerun? I recorded a couple on DVR, but missed this one and and see at wikipedia that 7 ran already for season 3/

Did a Search for showings on my dvr and came up empty.

[meat suit]

I had a most spectacular yet arduous thought here.

In my scenario... TPTW decide to initiate their evil strategic plans against there enemy (us)... the 99%'s.

The shyte starts to get a lil ugly, and they (TPTW) now quickly decide they are ready to head to their secured bunkers underground as a safe haven and await the enemy to destroy themselves.

Several days go by during the mayhem.

Astonishingly a truce and order succumbs, and the planet does a complete 360, the 99%s maintain stability and a peaceful calm, calling out a truce to mankind.

The Rabbits (TPTW) nestled safely in their underground rabbit holes, thereby become entombed permanently in their now underground masoleums by their enemys 99%s hereby sealing there fate and demise.

Mordor has crumbled, And Peace and Balance Now Restored Back To Planet Earth and All Of Its Inhabitants

Mankind, then starts a new evolution and a new earth is has begun.

As For The 1%s..... You Cant Dodge Karma,,,, and what you send out to the Universe, The Universe will respond. Ouch!!!


:wizard:

there is a film called 'bunker palace hotel' that is exactly playing out the scenario you are describing.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rvl8CqqLDY8

[humanalien]

I don't think that - that underground area is
the one that will house millions of people.

If it were, jesse would have not been able to
drive into one, so easily. Every opening leading
to the underground, would have been heavily
guarded.

If he were to get inside one of those complexes,
it's assured that he would never make it back out.

Also, if that was the real thing, there is no way that
jesse is going to put that on tv. He would know that
he is a dead man, once he did.

I think jesse got suckered into this.

[Maia Gabrial]

I was wondering where those doors led to at some of the docking areas....?
Maybe DreamsInDigital should let her guys know about this Ozark bunker... Have those hippies from space blow those up, too....

[noxon medem]

..
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So ,
so many posts, and none
linking and / or referencing
the classic performance of
Jesse Ventura in the well
done (made) Film: "Predator"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPq6nurLhBI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPq6nurLhBI
( Predator (1987) - Jesse Ventura Tribute )

- Enjoy
Please

..
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[Nanoo Nanoo]

Not sure if anybody picked this up?

In the video they tried to get a meeting with the owner of the building in question, to which he refused.

But they still managed to get him to pose for their cameras on top of his building, then have permission to use his images on their show.
In order for anybody appearing on a tv show they must sign a release form giving permission in writing to use their image.

Hmmm

Jessie Ventura may be closer to the illuminati than he leads on?

:-)

[sineck]

i just finished two episodes, i have alot of ideas but i am sorry if i dont present them, im still trying to get the drift, the last one was on david icke, and all should know what im speaking of, at the end jesse attacked for to se, and icke reacted, i saw a reaction, maybe he had smoked a blunt before the taking but i saw a man that wasnt ready to present his facts in a way that was permissible to his thinking in that moment, i dont have a two cents on this subject as of now, but i can see a manipulation in the taking of this session, thank you, S

[jackovesk]

Jun 14, 2013


Joining Alex in the second hour is former Minnesota governor Jesse Ventura, author of the book DemoCRIPS and ReBLOODlicans:

No More Gangs in Government, which exposes how gang-like control freaks manipulate the two-party system to shred the Bill of Rights and silence Americans.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7J3yMy_KTs

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks Jack I have not heard from Jesse for a while, as he says he likes to
spend six months off the grid and read & research.He may not be awake to
all we discuss, but I do like to hear from him and his son deffinately is.

[ghostrider]

I love jessie's idea of ending retirement for political office, go serve and when your done serving, go back to being a citizen, no career politicains ... one wouldn't be there just to get a retirement, it would be to actually serve the people who elected you, not your bank account ...

[Cidersomerset]

These are a series of entertaining and hard hitting interviews Jesse recently
did on his press junket promoting his new book and possibly running with
Howard Stern for the 2016 Presidentcy of the United States.......

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Politicking with Jesse Ventura.......If Jesse was President his first two pardons
would be Edward Snowden & Bradley Manning then he would close Gitmo
and give the base back to Cuba.......



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Published on 11 Oct 2013


Ex-governor and former wrestler Jesse Ventura joins Larry King in a no holds barred
talk on Obama, the Gov't shutdown, American hypocrisy, and what he'd do with Edward
Snowden and Bradley Manning. Plus, why he thinks Americans are still being lied to
about JFK's death, and who's to blame -- including another former president.

[Cidersomerset]

Piers Morgan Interviews Jesse Ventura on Government Shutdown


Piers is an 'ass ----' and sooner or later in one of these interviews, Jesse is going
to 'lump' him....LOL...

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Published on 1 Oct 2013


(October 1, 2013) - Piers Morgan Interviews Jesse Ventura on Government Shutdown & JFK Conspiracy

[Cidersomerset]

Jesse Ventura On JFK Conspiracy, Running with Howard Stern for President - Breaking The Set -

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Published on 4 Oct 2013


NEW - Breaking The Set - Jesse Ventura On JFK Conspiracy, Running with Howard Stern for President

[Cidersomerset]

Jesse Ventura Full Segment on Crossfire - CNN - October 4, 2013

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Published on 4 Oct 2013


October 4, 2013 - Jesse Ventura Full Segment on Crossfire with Panel - CNN

[Cidersomerset]

Howard Stern Show : Jesse Ventura Interview 10/02/13

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Published on 2 Oct 2013


Former Governor Jesse Ventura visits the stern show , talking
about running with Howard for precedency in 2016 and also
talks about conspiracy theories, illuminati , wrestling ,steroids and more !

[Cidersomerset]

Jesse Ventura on The Couch CBS New York

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Published on 5 Oct 2013


Jesse Ventura on The Couch CBS New York





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Martin Bashir Jesse Ventura unloads on Dems, GOP - NBC today

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Published on 5 Oct 2013


Martin Bashir Jesse Ventura unloads on Dems, GOP - NBC today
Jesse "The Mind" Ventura, former Minnesota governor and pro wrestler,
discusses his new book, "They Killed Our President" -- and who broke Washington.

[Cidersomerset]

Buzzsaw : Jesse Ventura Talks 2016 Election, Howard Stern and Government Lies

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Published on 27 Jul 2013


Jesse Ventura discusses the 2016 presidential election and why he and
Howard Stern could not do worse than Democrats and Republicans,
plus government lies, Edward Snowden 'the hero,' and immigration
politics from the Mexican border. Jesse is back in the US after some
time away and he has a lot to say about the country with Buzzsaw
host Tyrel Ventura.

[Cidersomerset]

JFK Deathbed confession - Conspiracy Theory with Jesse Ventura trutv

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Jesse Ventura tries to duplicate Oswald's shooting sequence

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Uploaded on 4 Dec 2010


Gov. Ventura, a qualified expert rifleman, takes a Mannlicher-Carcano and tries
to duplicate Oswald's alleged shooting sequence. Both the difficulty working the
bolt and the kick requiring the shooter to re-sight after every shot are reflected
in the Governor's shooting times.


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full vid...

Conspiracy Theory with Jesse Ventura JFK assassination deathbed confession


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Uploaded on 16 Mar 2011


Governor Jesse Ventura will take on what he has long regarded as the most significant event of his generation and the 60s era-- the assassination of John Fitzgerald Kennedy. The program will air this Friday, Nov. 19 at 10 PM EST / 9 PM CST, just days before the 47th anniversary of the iconic president's death. But TruTV will air more than just memories and heated debate about the grassy knoll. For the first time ever on television, viewers will witness, at last, a confession in one of the most-controversial murders in all of history.

A "major figure" from recent U.S. history admits to involvement in the plot in an audio tape that will blow audiences away. The source names names, and Lee Harvey Oswald isn't on the list. According to the show's producers, Ventura's team has even established new evidence that suggests the individuals allegedly involved in the assassination have powerful ties that even go as high as former President and former CIA director George H. W. Bush. Is this the key at last to why the media has been so reluctant to admit that someone else was shooting at Dealey Plaza on November 22, 1963?

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Ventura qualified as an expert shot while in naval special forces training, and qualified again as an expert during his term as Governor in Minnesota, yet he could not duplicate the time and accuracy of Oswald's fateful shots.


In the course of the episode, Jesse Ventura, a former Navy SEAL and Underwater Demolitions expert, attempts to recreate Oswald's alleged shooting that day. He tracked down the exact make and model, as well as ammunition stock that the Warren Commission claims Oswald used. But despite the fact that Ventura qualified as an expert shot while in naval special forces training, and qualified again as an expert during his term as Governor in Minnesota, he could not duplicate the time and accuracy of Oswald's fateful shots. Yet Lee Harvey Oswald only qualified as a "marksman," two grades lower than Ventura. (Witnesses who shot with Oswald have said for years that he had "Maggie's drawers"—that he frequently missed the target and generally did not meet the high standards of a serviceman.)

The House Select Committee on Assassinations matched Ventura's findings back in 1978. Their investigation found a 95% or higher probability that John F. Kennedy was killed by more than one assassin, concluding that indeed a conspiracy took place, and debunking the rushed conclusions of the 1964 Warren Commission that Oswald acted alone. However, nearly half a century later, the media has continued to promote the lone gunman theory, even in spite of a skeptical public. The motives behind this mass-misconception are deep and probing indeed, and Ventura has been questioning the official account for many years now.

[pyriel]

this is all nice and stuff but alittle surprised no one has posted anything about the vets in D.C. and taking down barriers and the fed's putting them back up. kinda sad, specially from americans on this site. I would but cant make new threads.

anyways hopefully jesse runs in 2016 for prez tho might be in a civil war by then since obama is openly trying to make something happen now.

[LivioRazlo]

Thank you for all this enlightening material to watch. :)

[Cidersomerset]

The Alex Jones Show:(VIDEO Commercial Free) Friday October 11 2013: Great Guest Today

Jesse Interview starts approx 1hr 37mins in....


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Published on 11 Oct 2013


Great Guest Today:
Ron Paul, Mike Adams, Jesse Ventura, Jim Garrow
TSA grope downs are no joke
Date: 10/11/2013
On the Friday, October 11 edition of the Alex Jones Show, Alex gives an in-depth week-in-review
of the ongoing debate on Capitol Hill over raising the debt limit and Obamacare, and the accelerated
attack on Tea Party conservatives. Alex also discusses how the families of departed military
members were spitefully held for ransom by the Obama administration, and breaks down the
ludicrousness of the TSA's authoritarian threat to arrest travelers for simply joking about being
groped. On today's show, Alex welcomes former Congressman and three-time presidential
candidate Ron Paul to break down the political tug-of-war taking place in Washington and
why Janet Yellen, the new fed boss, will be the same as the old boss. Also, former Minnesota
Governor Jesse Ventura talks to Alex about developments in his potential run for presidency
and his latest book They Killed Our President.

[Cidersomerset]

this is all nice and stuff but alittle surprised no one has posted anything about the vets in D.C. and taking down barriers and the fed's putting them back up. kinda sad, specially from americans on this site. I would but cant make new threads.

Thanks Pyriel good point........

Veterans storm WW II DC memorial amid govt shutdown


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[grannyfranny100]

My God, they sounnd sane compared to Congress and the President. Too bad Carlin is gone. He would be a great Secretary of State. Everyone would be too busy laughing to fight wars.

Hummm, why would we need embassies abroad in the era of cell phones. We could sell the embassies back to the host country as their swanky Presidential Palace!

Let's see who could be some other officials in a Venture/Stern government?

How about Edward Snowden as head of the NSA?
Karen Hudes as Treasury secretary,
Kathreen Austin Fitts as Head of social security investments
and especially Bill Ryan as head of a new cabinet post: Interstellar Relations.

What about Bill Gates as head of Bureau of Land Management. He could live in a forester's cabinet without internet or cell phone connection and walk around all day gathering cow pies for his fireplace.

Who has some other suggestions?

When are suggestions are complete, anybody got a connection to email Venture?

[Cidersomerset]

Jesse Ventura: Two evils in US politics mean no choice at all

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Published on 25 Nov 2013


A man of many titles, Jesse Ventura is a politician, actor, author, US navy veteran and a
former professional wrestler. He does not associate himself with either side of the
political establishment. Jesse Ventura won the seat of 38th Governor of Minnesota as an
independent candidate. He believes the same luck may push him to the top of American
politics - to become president of the United States.

[Aryslan]

I look forward to VP Howard Stern. Lets hope he makes Alex Jones the head of the FCC, too! ;)

[RMorgan]

Well, unfortunately, what really wins elections is money.

The vast majority of people are so brainwashed nowadays that they can't make up their minds on their own; they make their choices based on propaganda and advertising, so the candidate who's got more money for his campaign gets more exposure and consequently wins.

Probably, a lot of people who know how to think for themselves would vote for Ventura, but it wouldn't be enough; Not even close.

It would be amazing if Ventura decided to run for presidency and won, but I don't think he's got a chance; not within this system.

Raf.

[Cidersomerset]

It would be amazing if Ventura decided to run for presidency and won, but I don't think he's got a chance; not within this system.

Totally agree he says mainstream won't let him on to promote his JFK book, but if he did run the corporates
and mil ind complex never mind mossad and a host of other agencies would have him 'grassy knolled'
in an instant.....


His interview with Larry king about his book and other stuff...

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?64405-Politicking-with-Jesse-Ventura-on-RT-with-Larry-King.-talking-about-JFK-various-subjects...

[jackovesk]

I (SEE)...



I see things are a changing
I see we are making progress on (ALL) fronts
I see kids worried about the Privacy issues on (Facebook) and the consequences that could come back to haunt them (Change) to (Snapchat) which allows you send pics that self-destruct after being viewed. Which I might add, Facebook tried to buy them out (unsuccessfully) to the tune of $3 billion!
I see people being (Forced) to 'Wake Up' and (ask questions) as to why they can no longer afford to live!
I see people starting the question the (Endless Wars) whilst thwarting any attempt by the Obama 'Rogue' Regime to invade Syria & Iran
I see people starting to pay attention to what Avalonian's saw 3-5 Years ago.


So ya see (Seeing is Believing)...:shocked:

[Mike Gorman]

Jesse speaks the bald truth, not only in America have the people lost the perspective that the Government is meant to work
for the people, on our behalf, representing our interests and wielding the power of our collective will, manifested by a majority vote on policy...
the governments of the Western world have morphed into a kind of hierarchical official aristocracy-treating the people like stupid slaves-bullying them with force
and repressive 'laws'. Unfortunately we have been remiss, we have allowed our vigilance to slip and now we are on the brink of a Totalitarian world state where life is cheap, "Move along, ~cattle prod~move along, don't answer back!
Yep....Alex, Jesse are all ringing the alarm bells. JFK, Eisenhower also rang them...the picture of a boot stamping on a Human face, forever is rapidly gaining focus.

[conk]

How is it that we are presented with the same fools every election and no one questions it?

[Cidersomerset]

Jesse Ventura wins $1.8 million in defamation suit

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Published on 29 Jul 2014


A jury awarded former Minnesota Governor Jesse Ventura $1.8 million for a
defamation suit he filed against Navy SEAL Chris Kyle. The SEAL, who was killed on
a shooting range in February 2013, claimed in a bestselling book that he had
punched Ventura in a bar fight after the governor made derogatory remarks about
the elite military unit.RT’s Ameera David speaks with Ventura to get his thoughts
on the win, as well as the backlash from pushing forward with the lawsuit after
Kyle’s death.

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Jesse Ventura wins $1.8million defamation suit against estate of America's
deadliest sniper: Chris Kyle's widow ordered to pay up over story of 2006 bar fight

Chris Kyle, a former Navy SEAL, claimed in his book American Sniper that he
punched Ventura at a SEAL bar in California in 2006

Kyle claimed on Fox News that Ventura, himself a former SEAL, had said the
SEALs 'deserved to lose a few, over their behavior in Iraq

Kyle was murdered by a fellow veteran in February 2013Ventura then sued Kyle's
widow Taya Kyle, who inherited the $6million fortune made from the book

By Michael Zennie and Associated Press

Published: 20:36, 29 July 2014 | Updated: 22:48, 29 July 2014


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2710018/Jesse-Ventura-
wins-1-8million-defamation-suit-against-slain-Navy-SEAL-sniper-Chris-Kyle.html#ixzz38vk4sl4w
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Jesse Ventura Wins Defamation Case (American Sniper Case)

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Published on 29 Jul 2014


Jesse Ventura was awarded $1.8 million in "American Sniper" defamation case.

ST. PAUL, Minnesota -- A jury awarded former Minnesota Gov. Jesse Ventura $1.8
million on Tuesday in his lawsuit against the estate of "American Sniper" author
Chris Kyle.

The federal jury decided that the 2012 best-selling book defamed Ventura in its
description of a bar fight in California in 2006. Kyle wrote that he decked a man
whom he later identified as Ventura after the man allegedly said the Navy
SEALs "deserve to lose a few."

Ventura testified that Kyle fabricated the passage about punching him. Kyle said in
testimony videotaped before his death last year that his story was accurate.

The jury reconvened on Tuesday, and both sides agreed to split the verdict 8 to 2,
the New York Times reported. The panel then awarded the former professional
wrestler and governor $500,000 for defamation and $1.3 million for what they
termed the author’s unjust enrichment.

During closing arguments, Ventura attorney David Bradley Olson said he believes
Kyle’s estate earned more than $6 million from the book.

Ventura testified that his income as a TV personality fell sharply in the wake
of “American Sniper.” Borger said Ventura’s career as an entertainer was in decline
well before that.

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Jesse Ventura Wins Defamation Case Against Chris Kyle

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Published on 29 Jul 2014


The jury reached a verdict just after 1 p.m. Tuesday. The jury awarded Ventura
$500,000 for defamation and $1.3 million for unjust enrichment. That brings the
total to $1.8 million.

Jurors had been deliberating the Minnesota Gov. Jesse Ventura’s defamation
lawsuit against “American Sniper” author Chris Kyle for nearly six days.

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Jury Awards Ventura $1.8M in Defamation Case

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[sirdipswitch]

This Jury should be taken out and pulicly Flogged. 1.3 Million, because he made TOO much money on the book. Unjust Enrichment? How about Unjust Justuce? And why should Ventura be given this money? We're gonna have to take some of yer money mam, cuz yer hubby made too much from this book. ??? Ain't right !!
Flogg the Judge too, for even allowing such a thing.

Guess I'm gonna have to be carefull.

Didn't know we had a Law against Unjust Enrichment.:wizard:

[Zaya]

Interesting... no where in this did I see that Jesse ever said he did not do the act... so does that mean he did? Yet he still sued? For.... the guy putting the truth in print? Interesting.

[TargeT]

Didn't know we had a Law against Unjust Enrichment.:wizard:

yes, making money off lying about someone else (fraud basically) isn't ok....... so I don't know, I'm ok with what happened here.




Interesting... no where in this did I see that Jesse ever said he did not do the act... so does that mean he did? Yet he still sued? For.... the guy putting the truth in print? Interesting.

in court he did, he testified the punch, and remarks never happened.

Honestly this is a pretty legit case for a public figure that depends on his background for his career.

[Zaya]

in court he did, he testified the punch, and remarks never happened.

Honestly this is a pretty legit case for a public figure that depends on his background for his career.

If that is the case, and he did not do the punching, then I think he did the right thing by suing. It sends a message. He has enough people out to get him as is.

[grannyfranny100]

Situational ethics has reigned for the last few generations. Venture's victory may cause some people to rethink whether lying is still okay as a tactic to "get ahead."

[Jake]

Jesse has put himself out there! He expects a bit of negative blowback,, but when someone makes money by defaming you,,, they have, also, put themselves out there for some negative blowback... I don't feel sorry for either of them...

Sorry for being obtuse,, but Did the worlds deadliest sniper die from an accidental gunshot?????? I find that very sad. Sad and ironic...
Then Ventura has to sue the 'estate'???

One last battle in a fake arena, regarding a fake fight,, that nets him almost 2 million... Vince Mcmahon would be proud!!

I'm not saying that people shouldn't be allowed to defend themselves... I'm not even sure how to analyse this one...

Jake.

[TargeT]

Jesse has put himself out there! He expects a bit of negative blowback,, but when someone makes money by defaming you,,, they have, also, put themselves out there for some negative blowback... I don't feel sorry for either of them...

Sorry for being obtuse,, but Did the worlds deadliest sniper die from an accidental gunshot?????? I find that very sad. Sad and ironic...
Then Ventura has to sue the 'estate'???

Live by the sword, Die by the sword.... Kyle and another man were murdered at a gun range by a young marine (http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02/03/16823532-american-sniper-author-chris-kyle-fatally-shot-at-texas-gun-range) so still Ironic, but more sad.

The court case was already underway before he died, I guess it shifted to the "estate" after his death.



One last battle in a fake arena, regarding a fake fight,, that nets him almost 2 million... Vince Mcmahon would be proud!!

I'm not saying that people shouldn't be allowed to defend themselves... I'm not even sure how to analyse this one...

Jake.

I only agree with the outcome because it seems to fit in the current rule set that is forced on us by those in funny costumes with guns.... were the world different (sane?) I would have a different opinion.

[Roisin]

The court of law determined that the author fabricated his story about Ventura and he did that because he thought he could get away with it. His wife probably suspected (one does not tell big lies like that unless they have a history of doing that all the time) or even knew directly that her husband was lying about that fight incident with Ventura in his book so I agree with the verdict. If Kyle was still alive, no one would be making complaints about Ventura winning this defamation case including the monetary settlement for it.

So now she has to give back the money she and her hubby made on his book that was a bestseller that raked in a lot of money but was based on lies and fabrications he came up with to defame people he had personal issues with. Once again, I find it very hard to believe that his wife didn't know about those fabrications in his book, so I do not have any problems with Ventura winning this case.

[Carmody]

One other point to remember is that this is not about the money, money is a tool. People are also in the 'disposable tool' category. For example, wiping someone out (in potentially a complex arrangement) in an attempt to get to someone else.

This is entirely normal in that world, and one must always think in terms of all of human life having something close to zero value to these sort of machinations, except as a tool to pry and and take down those who do not consider such methods and ways.

To understand that you are dealing with situations and entities/people who don't possess or act via human societal, cultural or conditioned world-views and expectations.

[JRS]

I would not worry about Mrs Kyle's finances. There is a movie currently in production, directed by Clint Eastwood, based on Kyle's sniper book. The Kyle estate should do extremely well from the royalties. I wonder if the Ventura verdict will affect Eastwood's production? Will it stick to the facts (truth) or will it lie to continue the psy-op against Ventura? (I found the assessment by Alex Jones in the Info Wars video in Cidersomerset's first post to be quite plausible-probably 100% true).

[jagman]

Although Chris Kyle wife will not have to pay Jesse because of the books insurance policy
this is still really bad optics for Jesse. It gives the appearance that Jesse is a bully.

[Flash]

Do anyone of you (yes some do, i know) know how armies and marines of this world chose their snipers? I have been told that by a criminal out of jail for murder.

Just before going to jail, he was admitted in the army for sniper training because it had been found that he could go back home at night and sleep on both ears quietly.

It was determined, through army testing, that he had a psychopath profile.

Therefore, sent for sniper's training. But he got in jail first. In jail too he was tested and be found psychopath.

No guilt, no moral, therefore a good tool to kill and have no drawback nor PTSD. Kyle most probably fit that profile too.

If i would have been Jesse Ventura, I would have waited for the movie to be on and raking money to have my own court case bring in much more than what he actually gets.

[TargeT]

(I found the assessment by Alex Jones in the Info Wars video in Cidersomerset's first post to be quite plausible-probably 100% true).

very possible... strange that a "PTSD" former marine just happened to shoot him at that time... (and who else are the easiest to psycologicaly influence (brain wash) other than the closely monitored military members) I see it as very possible.

[Daughter of Time]

I am in total agreement of the verdict.

Yes, Jesse can be a bit of a bully, but he's the kind of bully I would gladly stand behind.

To the average person out there, Jesse is the only source of information they have access to in regards to some of the nefarious acts performed against the people. I'm sure the PTB are very unhappy about Jesse's exposes and would do anything to get rid of him. It makes sense to me that defamation of character would be the least they would do in order to de-popularize Jesse. And since a psychopathic sniper would have no qualms about destroying someone's reputation then he would be the perfect person to use to carry out their plans. Certainly someone like Chris Kyle would not think it is morally wrong to lie!

While the means do not always justify the end, in this case I think it does! Good for Jesse!

[Cidersomerset]

This was an attack on Jessie 's reputation. After he had 'woken up' probably
with the help of his son Tyrell and Sean Stone. Also his collaborations with Alex
Jones and others . He really started getting involved with these topics after retiring
from office and reading books and articles about 'False flags' and many other
conspiracies like, JFK, first world trade centre bombing, Oklahoma, 9/11 etc....

Yes he made a lot of money, but he was a high profile celebrity/politician who was
writing books , fronting alternate TV shows into conspiracy theories and truths. He
was able at first to get on mainstream to say thing no one else in the alternate
community is able to do , because of his links as ex Governor of Minnesota

This was a hit on him to damage his reputation and credibility and it is working.
Whether you like him or not he was getting to audiences other in the alternate
community cannot reach.

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Who else in the alternate community could get on the mainstreams and ask
serious questions about topics usually laughed at by the 'news jockeys '??


Former Governor Jesse Ventura Picks Fight With Feds Over 9/11 (04.04.11)

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He explains in the interviews that if the allegations were withdrawn and redacted he
would not have continued with the case, As for the 'mass murderer's' 255 confirmed
kills, wether they were all enemy fighters or not, that is psychologically bad for any
human being imo. As for his widow they said she was insured and that would cover
the costs.

No one who kills 255 people even in war should be glorified imo . He did his job as
a professional killer very well and should have been pulled out of active duty well
before killing that many people.



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255 confirmed kills: Meet Navy SEAL Chris Kyle... the deadliest sniper in US history

Served four tours of duty in Iraq, where he gained the nickname 'The Devil of Ramadi' from insurgents


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Four tours: During his time in Iraq, he gained infamy among the insurgents, who nicknamed him
'the Devil of Ramadi' and put a $20,000 price on his head

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2081430/255-confirmed-kills-Meet-Navy-SEAL-Chris-Kyle--deadliest-sniper-US-history.html#ixzz38yNHKtTf
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[Cidersomerset]

It was mainstream perfomances like this that has got the 'Elites' worried
and short of having him assassinated in person they went for his reputation
and character........This is a small sample of his interviews look and listen
how hard hitting they are........Again you do not have to like him , but who
else had the same access ? Asking these type of questions ?





Jesse Ventura battles a Jewish reporter on Fox

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this is a clip that is not often seen. Jesse makes easy work of
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Shawn Hannity gets owned by Jesse Ventura on Shawn's own show

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Jesse Ventura SLAM FOX News with TRUTH about 9 11 & Illuminati

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Jesse Ventura VS Piers Morgan On Gun Control

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[truth4me]

I don't know about the lawsuit but I do like Jesse.

[sirdipswitch]

Ya ever heard the one about makung sure brain is engaged, before putting mouth in gear... I seemed to have lost tract of that one, somewhere on y way to the forum. Can I change my oppinion? huh please, can I?


Thanks to all for setting me straight!!!

[TargeT]

Ya ever heard the one about makung sure brain is engaged, before putting mouth in gear... I seemed to have lost tract of that one, somewhere on y way to the forum. Can I change my oppinion? huh please, can I?


Thanks to all for setting me straight!!!

In my mind you reacted almost EXACTLY as desired (though I'm sure the desired outcome was for more anger against Mr Ventura than the jury)... the MSM coverage of this is meant to show Jesse in a bad light and gloss over this semi-complex issue with an emotion based reaction, leveraging the widow's status for a subtle "appeal to emotion" logical fallacy.

This was one of the more subtle hit piece reports I've seen in a while

[jerry]

Im all for the verdict , when he filed suit Kyle was still alive. From what I have understood as well is that this poor widow made out with 9 million on book deal and she is not liable for the penalty the publisher is.

[muxfolder]

What the hell happened to Jesse Ventura? He seems to be now pro vax. The most anti-government guy ever now selling out.
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[Kryztian]

Starts at about 38:40. Good Jesse Ventura impersonation.


What the hell happened to Jesse Ventura? He seems to be now pro vax. The most anti-government guy ever now selling out.
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[Gracy]

Starts at about 38:40. Good Jesse Ventura impersonation.

Yes, he sounded just like him!

Pretty funny he called into Roddy Piper’s show back in the day and had him going with that routine, must have been really hard not to start cracking up! :lol:

[onawah]

Ventura pro-vaxx? I can't believe it. They must have kidnapped or cloned him or found a look-alike and taken over his Twitter account.

[jaybee]

The only good thing is that he said the jab shouldn't be mandatory.. but even with that failed to acknowledge that the levels of coercion are making it virtually mandatory for some/many people - and that's now before they try and stop the un'vaccinated' being able to buy food, petrol or use a bank account... the 'mandatory' goalposts are in constant motion and wobbling uncontrolably as the tyranny gets worse and people are on the brink of being told that the vax isn't mandatory but you will be allowed to die without medical treatment and surgery if you don't get it... but I suppose this is a case of dead if you do dead if you dont... :(

Trying to say the vax isn't mandatory and then trying to wreck everyone's lives and sanity who don't get it is gaslighting at it's worse...

but I digress....

just looked at Jesse Ventura's twitter page...

https://twitter.com/GovJVentura?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

and to pick out a couple of his re~tweets...

NEW: More than 243,000 children tested positive for COVID-19 last week, marking the second-highest week ever for pediatric cases, according to a new report.


but errr Jesse... don't you know that the tests are a complete fraud and they can create as many false positives that they want with the PCR test... and they are only releasing these kind of 'test' results to soften people up and scare them so they will be more willing to accept that babies and children have the jab (at their and their families peril.... like what happened to your daughter who was disabled by a vaccine - and maybe all the babies and kids who are jabbed and live to be adults will be infertile - because that would fit very neatly into the depopulation agenda...)


another of Jesse's re~tweets...

NEW: Pfizer says early results of its trials show that its COVID vaccine is safe and effective for children ages 5 to 11.


like.... duh.... please.... WTF


and another re~tweet..


Breaking News: Unvaccinated Americans are 11 times more likely to die of Covid, the CDC reported, among other data showing vaccines’ protection from severe cases.

this is probably a blatant lie... but even if it has a teeny weeny bit of truth regarding the original covid strain... all those who have / had... covid are denied treatment - ANY treatment that would save them or help them - like ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine etc... so slow hand clap on this point...


All in all not impressed at all with this coming from Jesse Ventura...

Has he been got at - compromised - blackmailed... ? Or is he getting a bit senile...

Or has he simply given in to the fear mongering... the brainwashing IS relentless...

But even so....

[muxfolder]

Starts at about 38:40. Good Jesse Ventura impersonation.

Yes, he sounded just like him!

Pretty funny he called into Roddy Piper’s show back in the day and had him going with that routine, must have been really hard not to start cracking up! :lol:

There you go. :) I think he said this was back in 2012 or something. He also does pretty good impressions of Alex Jones and Trump as well.
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But I'm still confused. Why? This is nothing we'd expect him to say.

As a side note Roddy Piper was in They Live which is one of my favorite John Carpenter movies. One of those movies everyone should see. When I say everyone, I really mean everyone.

[Gracy]

Starts at about 38:40. Good Jesse Ventura impersonation.


Yes, he sounded just like him!

Pretty funny he called into Roddy Piper’s show back in the day and had him going with that routine, must have been really hard not to start cracking up! :lol:


There you go. :) I think he said this was back in 2012 or something. He also does pretty good impressions of Alex Jones and Trump as well.
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That was good, thanks for digging that one up muxfolder! As an aside, I think his impression wasn't near as good then as it is now, he's definitely still practicing.


But I'm still confused. Why? This is nothing we'd expect him to say.

I think we need to be careful in applying litmus tests to people. I actually raised an eyebrow as well seeing Jesse retweet NPR's headline of Pfizer saying the jab should be cleared for down to 5 year olds now, but it's not like he's out there stumping for lockdowns and Covid passports.

The guy is pro vaccine, doesn't mean he's suddenly one of them so to speak, as is being insinuated in some cases.

I was watching Glenn Greenwald talking to Jimmy Dore yesterday, check out this quick take from him on why he and his husband of 16 years don't divorce over similar critical disagreements. Starts at about the 30:40 mark (a very good 33 minute interview as well by and by):
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[jaybee]

The guy is pro vaccine, doesn't mean he's suddenly one of them so to speak, as is being insinuated in some cases.



Maybe not - but because of his fame (and therefore potential influence) and his past opposition to blindly following and believing the government - plus the knowledge he has accumulated along the way... he is naturally held to a higher standard than 'ordinary' members of the public who have been scared into believing the Official Narrative and taking the jab without question...

[Gracy]

The guy is pro vaccine, doesn't mean he's suddenly one of them so to speak, as is being insinuated in some cases.



Maybe not - but because of his fame (and therefore potential influence) and his past opposition to blindly following and believing the government - plus the knowledge he has accumulated along the way... he is naturally held to a higher standard than 'ordinary' members of the public who have been scared into believing the Official Narrative and taking the jab without question...

And that's fine jaybee, scrutiny is a valuable tool, so long as we don't just overly scrutinize those who step out of line with any facet of our world view disagree, and either ignore or give free passes to those with whom are always in lockstep.

One more thing long as you bring it up: It's an opinion/assumption, not a fact, that everyone in the general public has only taken the jab, solely because they have "been scared into believing the Official Narrative and taking the jab without question..."

The world is so very much more nuanced than that, as is Jesse, as are the rest of us. Can we cut each other a bit of slack during these trying times? :nod:

[jaybee]

The guy is pro vaccine, doesn't mean he's suddenly one of them so to speak, as is being insinuated in some cases.



Maybe not - but because of his fame (and therefore potential influence) and his past opposition to blindly following and believing the government - plus the knowledge he has accumulated along the way... he is naturally held to a higher standard than 'ordinary' members of the public who have been scared into believing the Official Narrative and taking the jab without question...

And that's fine jaybee, scrutiny is a valuable tool, so long as we don't just overly scrutinize those who step out of line with any facet of our world view disagree, and either ignore or give free passes to those with whom are always in lockstep.

One more thing long as you bring it up: It's an opinion/assumption, not a fact, that everyone in the general public has only taken the jab, solely because they have "been scared into believing the Official Narrative and taking the jab without question..."

The world is so very much more nuanced than that, as is Jesse, as are the rest of us. Can we cut each other a bit of slack during these trying times? :nod:


Yes we can.... you would not believe how much slack I cut on a day to day basis regarding this subject...

I don't think I was overly harsh towards Jesse Ventura or those who have been victims of the fear mongering whether that's fear for themselves or for others...

Mostly I think the trust of good people has been abused by Governments and so called experts world wide..

Commenting on a forum is bound to come across as more simplistic than things are 'in real life' ...

[indiana]

To be honest I've lost respect for Ventura seeing his pro "vax" position. I'm not going to make any attempt to justify it either. He's now a clown in my opinion. And he's wants kids to be "vaxxed"... On yer bike, Ventura

[muxfolder]

To be honest I've lost respect for Ventura seeing his pro "vax" position. I'm not going to make any attempt to justify it either. He's now a clown in my opinion. And he's wants kids to be "vaxxed"... On yer bike, Ventura

I refuse to believe he's not aware of what he's doing. I mean he must know this is governments mind control program and he's pushing the same agenda. The interesting part is that this was on RT. That funeral director who recently broke silence said RT tried to pay him off. Wasn't it like 18000 dollars or something? Can't remember. Still it was a lot of money. So how much are they paying you Jessie? :)

[muxfolder]

https://twitter.com/fatdragonpro/status/1454844683230670855?s=20

[Satori]

https://twitter.com/fatdragonpro/status/1454844683230670855?s=20

He's a washed up, Schwarzenegger groupie fascist wanna be, two-bit nut-job. Nothing he said in this clip was true. Why was he rocking and shaking in the chair?

[Vangelo]

He's a washed up, Schwarzenegger groupie fascist wanna be, two-bit nut-job. Nothing he said in this clip was true. Why was he rocking and shaking in the chair?


So sad. I was a fan of his. Thank you for posting.

[Patient]

He's a washed up, Schwarzenegger groupie fascist wanna be, two-bit nut-job. Nothing he said in this clip was true. Why was he rocking and shaking in the chair?


So sad. I was a fan of his. Thank you for posting.

How long ago did he get the shot? I guess we will find that things work at a different pace with different people.

I have been worried about people passing on from the shot. Now I am wondering about those who do not, but live and their body/mind/spirit is changed from it.

[Delight]

So sad. I was a fan of his. Thank you for posting.

Well.... he already was informed that a pandemic was planned (some how). Maybe he did not have to be jabbed if he just said he was??

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