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Mark
17th June 2012, 08:19
There's a lot of disinformation out there. So I decided to put together a piece that clarifies the issues for those who are new to them. It's not as difficult as some seem to be trying to make it seem if you just let your imagination go, close your eyes and visualize ...


Understanding Cosmic Geography: Beyond New Age mythology (http://rahkyt.wordpress.com/2012/06/08/understanding-cosmic-geography-beyond-new-age-mythology/)

The scientists try really hard to make this difficult for some reason. It's not really apparent to me why this might be so unless there is something dangerous about understanding some very basic truths about Creation. I recently watched a video of a popular NASA astronomer who was intent upon debunking "2012 Doomsday Scenarios". In the process of doing that and attempting to calm fears of the world ending on December 21, 2012, he stated uncategorically that the Earth, viewed from the sun, aligns with the galactic equator twice a year. By making this statement he was telling a fundamental truth. But a truth that is relative and that holds an arguably ancillary relation to the greater cosmic cycles heralded by many systems of knowledge both ancient and new.

The Earth is currently tilted at an approximately 23.5 degree angle on its axis. This means that the Earth's equator is at an angle to an imaginary line emanating from the sun's center and passing through the center of it and other planets in the solar system. This imaginary line is called the Plane of the Ecliptic. As the Earth travels around the sun during the course of the year at a speed of 18.4 miles per second, this tilt is actually the reason why we have varying seasons as the Arctic and Antarctic circles are exposed to direct sunlight at oppositional times of year. In the Northern Hemisphere, when the summer solstice arrives on June 20th, the Arctic Circle is bathed in sunlight and that region of the planet experiences a 24 hour day, while, in the Southern Hemisphere on the same day, the Antarctic Circle experiences a 24 hour night. It is during the winter and summer solstices during this particular span of years that the Earth is generally aligned with the Galactic Equator. Since we passed through (http://solar-center.stanford.edu/FAQ/Qsolsysspeed.html) the Galactic Equator - which is a few hundred light years in thickness - 2 million years ago, Sol-System is currently 50+ light years above it and well into a potential danger zone (http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2007/10/hubbles-secret-.html).


http://www.carnaval.com/goddess/precession_equinox.gif

The 23.5 degree "lean" of the Earth, known as the Axial Tilt, results in the apparent but semi-illusory astronomical phenomenon known as the Precession of the Equinoxes (http://www.carnaval.com/precession/), or, the Great Year. This cycle is an approximately 25,772 year cycle where the stars in the sky seem to apparently move backwards in relation to a position on Earth if seen over the course of this cycle. The Earth precesses, exhibiting a slow, conical movement that causes the stars overhead to circle in a lengthy cycle. For example, the Northern pole star, Polaris, is almost directly over the North Pole (it will be directly over the Pole at about 2100) only for a relatively short while. In time, other stars will be the pole star until such a time in the cycle when Polaris is once again directly over the Pole, indicating the completion of the cycle. 5000 years ago, the star Thuban, in the constellation of Draco was the Pole Star and was designated by the Egyptians as such. In 6,000 years, the Pole Star will be Alderamin in the Cepheus Constellation and in 12,000, it will be near the star Vega, in the Lyra constellation. It has been calculated that the solstice point (the exact center of the sun as viewed from earth) will align with the Galactic Equator circa 2012, which can only occur once in the entire precessional cycle. The exactitude of this particular solstice - as opposed to other, off-centered solstices - is its importance.

In relation to the position of the Sun, Earth and its cohort of planets comprising the solar system orbit at an approximately 90 degree angle to the Galactic Equator, or the Galactic Plane. The Sun, Sol, is orbiting around a central position that theorists posit contains what might be either a singularity known as a Black Hole or an alternating Black Hole/White Hole complex existing in a configuration measured by what is known as the Kruskal-Szekeres Spacetime Coordinate System that then coalesces into a Schwartzchild Wormhole connecting two universes (http://casa.colorado.edu/~ajsh/schww.html). The complex interrelationship of these two types of dense energetic agglomerations results in oppositional yin and yang-like actions, with Black Holes drawing in energy and White Holes ejecting energy. According to the model, the two types of energy processing singularities may alternate in space and time in a spiraling, cyclical fashion that results in both Creation and Destruction phases.

It takes Sol-System approximately 226 million years, moving at a rate of 135 miles per second, to orbit this mysterious central region of the Milky Way galaxy. This time period is known as the Cosmic or Galactic Year and is measured through observations made by the Hubble Telescope fixated upon Sagittarius A, an astronomical radio source which lies upon the border of the Sagittarius and Scorpius constellations very near the center of the galaxy. Since the center of the Milky Way Galaxy has not yet been directly observed - while the idea of at least a singular Black Hole existing at the center of many galaxies is considered a scientific fact - the approximation of the composition of the Galaxy's central region remains subject to relational measurements, hence the designation of Sagittarius A as galactic center by the scientific establishment.

The planets are of course orbiting the sun throughout this period and do so at an approximately 90 degree angle to the Galactic Equator or Plane as mentioned previously. A significant aspect of the solar system's circumnavigation of the galaxy is the fact that the Sun's ecliptic plane is always oriented toward the Galactic Center which may indicated an established energetic relationship. This possibility adds credence to the insistence upon the alignment of the Earth with the Sun and the


http://alignment2012.com/images/aligncover.jpg

Galactic Equator in December of 2012 as being of resonant import. Positions A, B and C in the above image reflect the position of the December Solstice sun 3000 years ago, 1,500 years ago and this year, indicating its location in relation to the Milky Way galaxy. Besides moving towards and away (tidal motion) from the Galactic Center, Sol-System also moves up and down in relation to the Galactic Plane. It takes 64 million years to complete one of these perpendicular oscillations, meaning that Sol-System is above the Galactic Plane for 64 million years and below the Galactic Plane for 64 million years. Also according to the article linked above regarding the potential danger zone above the Galactic Plane, this wave-like motion results in greater and lesser protection from cosmic radiation, exemplified by the Earth's bio-diversity cycle - measured as the time between mass extinctions - which, at 62 million years in duration, almost exactly corresponds to the planet's movement above and below the Galaxy's equator.

Sol-System and the Earth have passed above the Galactic Plane which has resulted in an increase in cosmic energy (http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2009/29sep_cosmicrays/) bombarding the planet as well as an increased risk (http://www.universetoday.com/14082/comet-strikes-increase-as-we-pass-through-the-galactic-plane/) of comet strikes. The Sun and other sources of radiation can drastically affect the climate of Earth (http://www.intechopen.com/books/climate-variability-some-aspects-challenges-and-prospects/solar-activity-space-weather-and-the-earth-s-climate) as well as seismic (http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0377027389900231) and volcanic (http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2006PCE....31...88O) activity. This measured increase of incoming energy may result in a decrease in bio-diversity and a potential mass extinction (http://www.seattlepi.com/national/article/Scientists-warn-environment-nears-tipping-point-3616614.php) that may be more related to the movement of the solar system rather than any anthropogenic causes, as may also be the case with global warming as a solar-systemic (http://www.livescience.com/1349-sun-blamed-warming-earth-worlds.html) rather than a purely planetary phenomenon.


http://prof77.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/spiral_solar_system_2_for_web1.jpg

There currently exists much contention around these topics and, seemingly, much disinformation. The connection between emotions and energy (http://www.earthcalm.ca/index_files/EMF_health_risks.htm) is well established in the scientific literature. If more energy enters Earth-System it only stands to reason that people across the world will undergo certain types of collective emotional experiences as a result. While the energetic aspect and implications of increased bombardment of the planet by cosmic radiation is understood by scientists to result in genetic changes (http://www.universetoday.com/12253/cancer-rates-rise-and-fall-with-cosmic-rays/) that have been proven to lead to a higher mortality rate, there is little overt discussion of these topics in the mainstream nor is there any indication that such is forthcoming.

It also seems to be the case that the disinformation campaign has permeated current-day spiritual movements as well. Confused and non-scientific proclamations regarding "photon belts" and "central suns" unnecessarily distort perceptions and take advantage of the unwary. The purported photon belt has been posited to surround the solar system or to be a fixed region of space the Earth is entering, while the star Alcyone is purported to be the galaxy's "central sun". The photon belt theories are based upon the "super-wave (http://www.etheric.com/GalacticCenter/Galactic.html)" concept as developed by Dr. Paul LaViolette describing cosmic ray volleys emanating from the central region of our galaxy. These rays result in measurable impacts upon climate and lifeforms. The Pleiades constellation and Alcyone are in the opposite direction (as measured from Sol-System and Earth's perspective) from the galactic core and Sol-System cannot orbit a star further distant from the galactic core than itself.

While the Photon Belt idea does hold some credence in that it is based upon a very real and measurable energetic phenomenon, the state of nigh-religious fervor distracting the gullible from the true nature of things remains problematic. The brilliant luminosity and massive physicality of Sagittarius A actually serves to reinforce it's status as candidate for some "central sun" ideal as does its location, while Alcyone and the Pleiades serve only as distractions, literally guiding people's gaze in the opposite direction from Truth.

Perhaps this state of affairs serves the Establishment in keeping the public relatively unaware of the nature of our world, solar-system, galaxy and universe. As long as people are kept ignorant of the cyclical nature of reality and the proven challenges that arrive like clockwork to overtake and devastate the Earth there will be no uncomfortable questions or mass hysteria. Perhaps it is the state of uncertainty itself which forces governments and science into perhaps unwitting conspiratorial collusion as the paucity of direct evidence and sure knowledge make predictive declarations politically dangerous for individuals and institutions.

Whatever the case may be, there are some things that are most certainly known and that have a direct bearing upon our world and state of collective consciousness. Being aware of the cyclical nature of reality is fundamental to a general knowledge of how the world works and is a necessary part of any basic education. Taking an holistic view of disparate phenomenon - as done in this article - brings to light some very interesting potentialities for the near and distant future. There are indeed challenges to collective and individual physical, mental and spiritual stability now and to come, to be sure. But the world will not end on December the 21, 2012 despite deliberate and derogatory generalizations characterizing non-mainstream spiritualists by mainstream paradigmatic hitmen.


http://tikkiro.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/mayan-calendar-2012-300x284.gif

It has become quite evident that ancient civilizations had access to planetary, solar systemic and galactic knowledge that far exceeds our current grasp of reality. The oft misinterpreted depictions of the ancient Sumerians, Egyptians, Mayans and other peoples have resulted in the free and uninformed cultural appropriation of systems of measurement and thought foreign to minds of today. The extent to which sound affects the physical world (http://www.world-mysteries.com/sci_cymatics.htm) and language mirrors thought and affects the genetic makeup (http://www.rexresearch.com/gajarev/gajarev.htm) of individuals is a sobering reality-check upon our modern ability to fully understand the seemingly multidimensional nature of polytonal (Eastern, Southern) as opposed to monotonal (Western) languages. However these ancient peoples came by their knowledge of the universe, their insistence upon the cyclical nature of reality and the repeated destruction of civilizations due to cosmic energetic shifts is a consistent theme the world across.

The culminations of planetary, solar systemic and galactic cycles present opportunities for energetic shifts to peak and then dissipate over time as our solar system and world enter, traverse and then pass new regions of space. How we respond to these energetic changes biologically, mentally and spiritually is, to a large extent, both an individual and a collective endeavor. We must, as a species, become comfortable with the fact that our world must change and that it is beyond our collective ability as a technological species to determine the nature of that change. How we individually relate to the Times and to the coming world can represent deliberate and informed point loci of viral effectiveness within an information-driven network as our knowledge becomes shared with our social groupings and then radiates outwards in a web of ever-increasing awareness.

There will come a point when it becomes impossible to hide the truth of what is occurring. Concentrating personal attention and focus by seeking truth in an unwavering fashion will in turn hone individual purpose and intention, consolidating psychological and spiritual systems around key aspects of reality pertaining to personal evolution. Knowing the Truth, therefore, is being the Truth. The Truth that must soon pervade the consciousness-oriented meme of our post-modern and pre-apocalyptic collective.

enfoldedblue
17th June 2012, 09:44
I wish I had the temperment to 'get' this stuff...but alas...I start reading and my brain just starts going 'la la la la' :eek: . Maybe some day.
Nice to see you back Rahkyt :)

Thanks

enfoldedblue
17th June 2012, 09:54
ooops.....double

Mark
17th June 2012, 18:18
Thanks blue, yes, I wrote this to put it all in one place and hopefully make it more accessible. Sorry it's still a bit technical ... I tried! Thanks for welcoming me back hope you are well!

Bo Atkinson
17th June 2012, 19:41
Rahkyt,

I want to collect my thoughts and post here later.

I think it is an excellent subject and love that spirally trajectory picture....

The concept of spirals wound upon spirals is near and dear to me....


Hoping that 3d geometry is an acceptable aspect of geography ;)

wavydome

DeDukshyn
17th June 2012, 19:48
Brilliant! I'll have to dig into that deeper when I have time, but skimming it - I can see we may have some good info to exchange! Great stuff, like I said I 'll have to re-read this later in more depth when I have time, I'll keep you posted!

Cartomancer
17th June 2012, 22:20
I have often wondered if climate change is due to the slow wobble of the earth. Given this model a range of latitudes would be differentially heated and cooled in both the southern and northern hemisphere. This slow wobble would cause long periods of stable climate until a tipping point was reached and then a fairly rapid change may occur. This could explain the scheme of Ice Ages and warmer ages. If this is known by some and not others it would be valuable info.

Welcome Back Rahkyt.

Ernie Nemeth
17th June 2012, 23:25
Fantastic sumary Rahkyt!

I was unaware of some of the particulars. I have calculated the speed of earth and the the solar system myself some time ago and that blew my mind. As for whether we have ever truly circumnavigated the entire galaxy is of course speculation. Science still does not understand how the galaxy can have these giant spiral arms and is part of the reason they believe up 96% of the mass of the galaxy must be "exotic".

Paul Laviolette's super wave theories are truly interesting and thought provoking but difficult to ascertain their veracity. It does make sense to this layman...

The correlation between the 64 million year cycle and the mass extinctions experienced on earth seem more than valid. I wonder what Wade would make of that?

The polytonal and atonal languages you refer to I have not heard of before and will research soon. From the underlying inference it would seem there could be an argument made for why certain ancient societies could make some far flung predictions as accurately as they have. Why our atonal society has come to the fore in recent times is a subject I would like to explore.

Welcome back, my man. You were missed. Hope you plan on sticking around!

Bo Atkinson
18th June 2012, 01:53
Here is an initial very generalized thought on this subject. My listening to the OP reminded me of the many approaches to our human perception of universe and the nearer astronomical formations. The general layout of nearby-orbits with far-away-orbits, all circuiting over time. I've tended to to think we humans make a large number of assumptions about the time required for galactic orbits or even solar orbits. To b so sure they will continue exactly as we observe them in this small segment of time.

We might indeed be as much informed by mythology. How can science prove it's predictions when results will not transpire for countless years? Mythology at least does not demand belief or government funding to promote beliefs. It just is, as it is found, here or there. Actually, i have not looked very far or wide for mythology, since it has seemed undemanding of my attention.

I spent very little time studying astrology or divining or whatnot. I failed astronomy at age 10. My parents bought me a cardboard reflector telescope with cheap mirror. It displayed craters on the moon, great. I was so excited that i soon melted the plastic lenses, aiming at the sun.... I clearly understood the point of alignments after that.

To me alignments are very rounded. I consider any day a good alignment example. The sun rises, as we may say. It can still be quite cool in Maine mornings. While at noon, the temperature has risen considerably. So the increase of given effect took hours to peak at noon, which was maximum alignment. Likewise, a galactic alignment could also be slow to manifest, without a sudden peaking effect. Such would be my expectation for 2012.... Except for the involvement of human intention. (Perhaps even a bit of Max Planck's uncertainty principle). Given a sufficient critical mass of human intention, a threshold could occur. Occur and peak if it is focussed enough.

http://harmoniouspalette.com/Buckys-Spiro-orbital.gif

Above is Buckminster Fuller's illustration, (from his 1975 book Synergetics), of trajectories of revolving celestial-bodies orbiting celestial-bodies... The term "Plane of the Ecliptic" suggests to me a formal-geometry plane, perhaps with x & y axes. Yet i doubt that Universe is subject to human formulations of a 'plane'. Rather, it would seem possible to me that Universe might additionally allow for non linear planes. I asked my geometry software developers" why not let the user invent a new sort of plane, projected upon a non linear object?" They thought it was an interesting suggestion,(for circular file at the best).
:rolleyes:Here is a random vision of the moment:


http://harmoniouspalette.com/SpiralPlane.jpg


The current maths are very circumscribed to linear xyz axes. I present this small picture as a hypothetical example of an imaginary plane, taken as a whole. Where orbits around orbits smooth could have smoothed out in time. Not that it is a particularly good example. Rather that it is just randomly hypothetical.

Tom Bearden said the Soviets were way ahead with non linear geometry. The YouTube is on the "Tap on, Tap off, the tapper" thread, (past half way, there). Between that YouTube and the Dollard YouTube, same thread, one can find much information about energy propagation and, essentially the passage of energy across alignments. The effects according to propagation types.

I am infatuated with spirals wound around spirals. The spirally-trajectory picture in this thread seems to appear in blogs around the web. I'm glad some folks are looking at the concept there. I think the exercise of winding spirals upon spiral-paths is very key to advancing human advancement. Again, referring to the two lectures, mentioned, in last paragraph, i see some potential connections, which could be demonstrated, with appropriate effort. But the outcome would be mainly to support the notion of crossing a certain threshold, which we might call "critical mass"....

A threshold not unlike what could happen in an alignment.... While noon might seem very much like 11:45 or 9:20, in many respects... There can be critical differences, like shadow formation which trigger something. Or rabbit hole angles in the dirt which suddenly light up down deep, wake up something, (waiting just for that). The very sort of thing in mythology too.

Yet just as easily, it could be a 3d-spiral waveform modulating a 3d waveform.... "Still ordinary", the devil's advocate might say. Yet, if given just the right phase-angles, with right timing, new peaks can be met. I've only played with random geometry like this, but observe that peak accelerations do happen there. I don't delve into fortune telling. There was a famous song in the 50s, which said, "what ever will be, will be."

WhiteFeather
18th June 2012, 02:29
Highly Interesting info here Rahkyt. Would take myself some time to absorb this material you have so gingerly placed before us. A little Overwhelming and Astonishing to say the least. However i Will try to grasp it. Wanishi.

Glad to see you back on Avalon. ;) We could use your much missed presence and ever flowing energy on this forum. I mean that sincerely.

Mark
18th June 2012, 16:52
Hoping that 3d geometry is an acceptable aspect of geography ;)

It is indeed! Geography has absolutely NO boundaries ... the mother of all sciences, they say.


I can see we may have some good info to exchange! Great stuff, like I said I 'll have to re-read this later in more depth when I have time, I'll keep you posted!

It's ll relatively basic astronomy, but I have never been able to find a single article that put it all together in a coherent manner for people who are interested in what it all means. A holistic view. Different scientists and other interested parties talk about single aspects of this, as is apparent if you follow the links, but it all is supposed to be seen together. that's where the importance lies. Apart, it's all interesting, but you can just leave the info then and go about your day without thinking about it. But when you see what it all means when combined, it supports the myths of the ancients and gives one room for pause when considering what the relatively near future might hold.


I have often wondered if climate change is due to the slow wobble of the earth. Given this model a range of latitudes would be differentially heated and cooled in both the southern and northern hemisphere. This slow wobble would cause long periods of stable climate until a tipping point was reached and then a fairly rapid change may occur. This could explain the scheme of Ice Ages and warmer ages. If this is known by some and not others it would be valuable info.

Welcome Back Rahkyt.

Thank you for the welcome, Sir! It's good to be back, for sure.

Good question re climate change. What do you think of the snowball earth theory? I've always found that intriguing, although it brings to question the ice core evidence from Antarctica. In the current paradigm, the inter-glacials last only a relatively short time compared to the glacial periods. Then, more ice for 10s of thousands and millions of years. I think what is known is sketchy at best. Within the ancient glacial periods there could have been interglacials that have not been found. Or, the glacial periods could have continued through what they have called interglacials because of the presence, as is currently true, of ice sheets in greenland and Antarctica, and even Africa (even tho it's almost melted now lol)!

You know that the people who believe that the sun has a dark twin out in the reaches of the solar system (brown dwarf) think that the whole precession of the equinox and axial tilt science is total malarky right?

So much remains up for debate.


I was unaware of some of the particulars. I have calculated the speed of earth and the the solar system myself some time ago and that blew my mind. As for whether we have ever truly circumnavigated the entire galaxy is of course speculation. Science still does not understand how the galaxy can have these giant spiral arms and is part of the reason they believe up 96% of the mass of the galaxy must be "exotic".

Wonderful, eh? Just read another article recently talking about how the 'dark matter/energy' idea is now moot because some scientists think that exotic/rogue planets that aren't tied to star systems are where all that missing matter must be. And today, I saw an article that posited that the universe is slowing (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/9337990/Not-enough-hours-in-the-day-Scientists-predict-time-will-stop-completely.html) and so the 'dark matter/energy' idea is invalidated!

They have no idea. LOL


Paul Laviolette's super wave theories are truly interesting and thought provoking but difficult to ascertain their veracity. It does make sense to this layman...

You should check out the link to his page in the article. There are a few pages of proofs that have been discovered since his original formulation of the theory that supposedly validate his findings.


The correlation between the 64 million year cycle and the mass extinctions experienced on earth seem more than valid. I wonder what Wade would make of that?

I'm not sure who Wade is, but one of the articles above reference NASA. Not really a big fan, but if this is something that they acknowledge could be connected, the evidence for it must be nigh incontrovertible.


The polytonal and atonal languages you refer to I have not heard of before and will research soon. From the underlying inference it would seem there could be an argument made for why certain ancient societies could make some far flung predictions as accurately as they have. Why our atonal society has come to the fore in recent times is a subject I would like to explore.

Welcome back, my man. You were missed. Hope you plan on sticking around!

Thanks, I do plan on it. :) Language is supposedly connected to our dna, according to some of the latest Russian science. If that is so, the languages that are polytonal are also multidimensional, since there is so much greater nuance in the speech patterns, lexicon and just overall vocabulary. Much more dense than monotonal languages, many more meanings possible, which is the essence of multidimensionality and also augers well, as you say, for their predictive capacity as well as overall understanding of reality.


Here is an initial very generalized thought on this subject. My listening to the OP reminded me of the many approaches to our human perception of universe and the nearer astronomical formations. The general layout of nearby-orbits with far-away-orbits, all circuiting over time. I've tended to to think we humans make a large number of assumptions about the time required for galactic orbits or even solar orbits. To b so sure they will continue exactly as we observe them in this small segment of time.

Sure. We are indeed quite limited. Which is why the ancient observations are so important. And also curious, as to how and why such long-term cycles were observed and for what reason in the first place. Another link in the panspermic "ancient alien" chain.


We might indeed be as much informed by mythology. How can science prove it's predictions when results will not transpire for countless years? Mythology at least does not demand belief or government funding to promote beliefs. It just is, as it is found, here or there. Actually, i have not looked very far or wide for mythology, since it has seemed undemanding of my attention.

Myths are like fairy tales, imho. There is often some core of truth beyond the fanciful conjecture.


To me alignments are very rounded. I consider any day a good alignment example. The sun rises, as we may say. It can still be quite cool in Maine mornings. While at noon, the temperature has risen considerably. So the increase of given effect took hours to peak at noon, which was maximum alignment. Likewise, a galactic alignment could also be slow to manifest, without a sudden peaking effect. Such would be my expectation for 2012.... Except for the involvement of human intention. (Perhaps even a bit of Max Planck's uncertainty principle). Given a sufficient critical mass of human intention, a threshold could occur. Occur and peak if it is focussed enough.

Your analogy is interesting. When the sun rises in the morning, there is a lag effect. Often, that is the coolest time of the day. When the sun hits its peak at noon, the earth has not warmed to its fullest extent. That occurs between 2-4 in the afternoon. So, according to your analogy, as the galactic alignment manifests, there could equally be a lag-period in experiencing its effects in our sector of the galaxy, which would affect not only earth's physicality but the emotional and spiritual energetic effects as well.


Above is Buckminster Fuller's illustration, (from his 1975 book Synergetics), of trajectories of revolving celestial-bodies orbiting celestial-bodies...

Awesome image!


The term "Plane of the Ecliptic" suggests to me a formal-geometry plane, perhaps with x & y axes. Yet i doubt that Universe is subject to human formulations of a 'plane'. Rather, it would seem possible to me that Universe might additionally allow for non linear planes. I asked my geometry software developers" why not let the user invent a new sort of plane, projected upon a non linear object?"

I like that and think that sacred geometry allows for an infinite number of planes at any level and following any trajectory. I think there are basic aspects of this cosmic geometry that make up the fundamental aspects of space-time, or material manifestation.

I've heard some in recent years that say that sacred geometry is corrupted. I have yet to see the evidence of that to my own satisfaction.


Tom Bearden said the Soviets were way ahead with non linear geometry. The YouTube is on the "Tap on, Tap off, the tapper" thread, (past half way, there). Between that YouTube and the Dollard YouTube, same thread, one can find much information about energy propagation and, essentially the passage of energy across alignments. The effects according to propagation types.

Ok, are those threads here?


I am infatuated with spirals wound around spirals. The spirally-trajectory picture in this thread seems to appear in blogs around the web. I'm glad some folks are looking at the concept there. I think the exercise of winding spirals upon spiral-paths is very key to advancing human advancement. Again, referring to the two lectures, mentioned, in last paragraph, i see some potential connections, which could be demonstrated, with appropriate effort. But the outcome would be mainly to support the notion of crossing a certain threshold, which we might call "critical mass"....

A threshold not unlike what could happen in an alignment.... While noon might seem very much like 11:45 or 9:20, in many respects... There can be critical differences, like shadow formation which trigger something. Or rabbit hole angles in the dirt which suddenly light up down deep, wake up something, (waiting just for that). The very sort of thing in mythology too.

Yet just as easily, it could be a 3d-spiral waveform modulating a 3d waveform.... "Still ordinary", the devil's advocate might say. Yet, if given just the right phase-angles, with right timing, new peaks can be met. I've only played with random geometry like this, but observe that peak accelerations do happen there. I don't delve into fortune telling. There was a famous song in the 50s, which said, "what ever will be, will be."

Very interesting ideas. I'm also a big fan of spirals, the torus is also one of the fundamental expressions of materiality, of energetic manifestation. I've also heard this as being a corrupt expression and, thus far, discounted it as propaganda without evidence. I must see the proofs for myself. There are triggers and triggers. Everything is connected, chaos theory, quantum entanglement, observer effect, you name it. Even fortune telling is augered, as even Stephen Hawking admits that time travel is possible, if not probable. ;)



Highly Interesting info here Rahkyt. Would take myself some time to absorb this material you have so gingerly placed before us. A little Overwhelming and Astonishing to say the least. However i Will try to grasp it. Wanishi.

Glad to see you back on Avalon. ;) We could use your much missed presence and ever flowing energy on this forum. I mean that sincerely.

Bredren! Thanks for dropping by, looking forward to your thoughts when you return. Don't be overwhelmed, As Above, So Below. As Without, So Within. This is how it works inside of us too. Bless!

Mark
24th June 2012, 21:22
There are some issues with the text translation from Russian to English, it is obvious the writer does not speak English well, but the gist of the video is solid. Nassim Harreiman speaks of this as well and I have an image of this property of the movement of the objects in the Solar System along with the sun in the OP.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6jBK1ZV-qs

Questions:

1. The planets really are not revolving around the sun. So what is the energy behind their movement?

2. Most of the planets are on the plane of the ecliptic to a greater or lesser degree, how do they stay there?

3. If the sun were the source of the gravitational pull, why are the planets not behind the sun in its orbit around the galactic center?

Bo Atkinson
25th June 2012, 07:24
A good video to wake up with Rahkyt. I have tried to understand the questions. Here are some thoughts i've tried :

1: The movement-energies are closest to this metaphor-- Turbulence of a smooth but powerful river of pre-energy. Pre-energy distinguished from recycled energy. Precursor hence becoming familiar energy itself. Pre-cursor-energy which defies analysis through materialized apparatus.

2: Eddies within eddies of rivers can move suspended objects in groupings. Momentum of the objects can synchronize somewhat. But rivers are fully materialized and are therefore only-recycled energies.

3: I was intrigued by the the concept of a push-pull gravity, not pull-alone gravity. The point being it spins more like fluid eddies and less like spokes on bearings.

http://harmoniouspalette.com/filamentCurrentStructureLDPlasma.gif

I found this in Alfven's Magneto Hydrodynamics book. He takes much credit in today's electric-universe modeling. I stay on the edge of physics and instead prefer the concept of an evolving-pre-energy which produces gravitational effects. Pre-energy which interacts with sub-atomic particles. Pre-energy which keeps spins spinning. Keeps the spins of physics spinning in sort of "perpetual-spin-motions".... The evolving pre-energy thus evolves into those spins. Keeping the order of holographic matter acting normally. Letting matter keep on spinning.

The process coincidentally produces time. The flow of gravity is perhaps synonymous with the flow of time. The 3d-direction of flow is from outside-inwards. From all points outside of universe to all points inside universe. Except for the shadowing by all objects and energies in space. Each object having effects proportionate to density and to energies expressed.

The larger masses like suns 'shade' the gravity bearing in on planets. As push-gravity theorists have stated. The shadow effect is 'attractive' since "the sun blocks the impact-flow from it's position". This all sounds screwy or tangled. But with web attractions and with software learning, a 3d model is forming. To label it all, for easier contextualization.

Yet the above is not a one-way flow of time-gravity. Rather it is a cycle 'inward'. It seems that this pre-energy-force has impact qualities which after "impacting the said spin" it then 'condenses' as energy itself. Ultimately energy condenses the "sub atomic particle zoo", aggregating or evolving atoms of all varieties. The so called black hole, in this scenario, wherever the phenomena is perceived, is the greater cycle in continuation. The universe cycle which is neither push or pull but a continuos flow of all things. (I'd hate to list all the source inspirations collected over 40 years).

PS- Like much of physics, the diagrams could use more labels. Like the uncertainty of the third sentence in the caption of Fig 10.2 in diagram above.

Kindred
25th June 2012, 09:54
Good Info Rahkyt (and everyone)! There was a description, Somewhere, that posits the theory that our Sol system actually orbits Alcyone, in the Pleiades. There was another one that further posited that the Pleiades, around which the Sol system orbited, actually orbits Sirius, and that All follow Sirius around the galaxy center. So... we have spirals within spirals within spirals. Pretty complicated when one starts to try and discern the truth. Obviously, the Maya had it down to a science, and it is the reason that their calendar(s) are so accurate.

I'll have to find those two orbital diagrams.. I know that I saw them both on PA, and on the general internet.

In Unity, Peace and Love

Bo Atkinson
25th June 2012, 13:38
http://harmoniouspalette.com/Helix7on4on7.gif
The sense of orbits orbiting orbits is very much like coils winding around coils. Geometry software provides tools to explore this effort. It turns out that some interesting coil or orbit shapes can result. Result, as metaphor to interference patterns of waves....

Here is a take on the right-hand-rule of electronics. But which circles which?
Regarding Alfven's fig 10.2 above... The hand drawn renderings (of 1940s) are very limited, as compared with 3d software. I love studying spirals, despite software limitations.

My humble assertion is (also) that oscilloscope rendering of waves should offer 3d views, as spirals above. The side views without perspective view angles, do look like 2d, sine waveforms. But to my limited experience, there is no display of current on top of voltage... This would open new avenues of research, perhaps. To see where current is in relation to voltage, visually...

Whether plasma filament s relate to these comments, is another conjecture. (It's just imagination).

Separately, the winding of coils, of many kinds, does open new avenues, for experiementation. The magnetic paths are very much shaped by the contours of coils. Therefore, if an ordinary coil is wound upon a coil, upon a coil, some remarkable configurations can arise. The image above demonstrates that 'winding' of (non touching) turns upon turns, does result in "helical-interferences". In other words, causing eddys in the magnetic paths. My crude experimentation has found that harmonic responses occur. More experimentation is recomended to explore frequency convertions. However, there are very complex variations of resulting paths, (when modeled in software).... In terms of Cosmic Geography, i expect that orbital spirals can likewise occur, in terms of spirals orbiting spirals. This was the main point of posting today, right here.

Cosmic star systems may involve some seeming wobbles, which in fact are helices orbiting helices. Where a toroid is modified with specialized twists, the magnetic field inside will doubly swirl, (instead of stream linearly).
http://harmoniouspalette.com/torus-poloid.gif
Alfven , may have postulated a similar, generalized path as in the image above. His Magneto Hydromagnetics is illustrated as follows:
harmoniouspalette.com/MagnetoHydrodynamicsPg128.gif
If we consider the electric-universe models, we can alter various test coils, to see if there may the new magnetic reactions.
http://harmoniouspalette.com/ParallWoundToroid.gif

Mark
30th June 2012, 22:38
1: The movement-energies are closest to this metaphor-- Turbulence of a smooth but powerful river of pre-energy. Pre-energy distinguished from recycled energy. Precursor hence becoming familiar energy itself. Pre-cursor-energy which defies analysis through materialized apparatus.

Interesting. I think that pre-energy you speak of is a form of electrogravity (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/vidaalien_signtimes04.htm). Naturally produced by the oscillation-resonance of the planets as they spiral through space in relation to the sun.


2: Eddies within eddies of rivers can move suspended objects in groupings. Momentum of the objects can synchronize somewhat. But rivers are fully materialized and are therefore only-recycled energies.

I`d think they`re rather co-existing and traveling in a state of energetic equilibrium. But that equilibrium can be affected by the qualities of the space Sol-system travels through, which has differing characteristics, apparently.


3: I was intrigued by the the concept of a push-pull gravity, not pull-alone gravity. The point being it spins more like fluid eddies and less like spokes on bearings.

I found this in Alfven's Magneto Hydrodynamics book. He takes much credit in today's electric-universe modeling. I stay on the edge of physics and instead prefer the concept of an evolving-pre-energy which produces gravitational effects. Pre-energy which interacts with sub-atomic particles. Pre-energy which keeps spins spinning. Keeps the spins of physics spinning in sort of "perpetual-spin-motions".... The evolving pre-energy thus evolves into those spins. Keeping the order of holographic matter acting normally. Letting matter keep on spinning.

The process coincidentally produces time. The flow of gravity is perhaps synonymous with the flow of time. The 3d-direction of flow is from outside-inwards. From all points outside of universe to all points inside universe. Except for the shadowing by all objects and energies in space. Each object having effects proportionate to density and to energies expressed.

The larger masses like suns 'shade' the gravity bearing in on planets. As push-gravity theorists have stated. The shadow effect is 'attractive' since "the sun blocks the impact-flow from it's position". This all sounds screwy or tangled. But with web attractions and with software learning, a 3d model is forming. To label it all, for easier contextualization.

Yet the above is not a one-way flow of time-gravity. Rather it is a cycle 'inward'. It seems that this pre-energy-force has impact qualities which after "impacting the said spin" it then 'condenses' as energy itself. Ultimately energy condenses the "sub atomic particle zoo", aggregating or evolving atoms of all varieties. The so called black hole, in this scenario, wherever the phenomena is perceived, is the greater cycle in continuation. The universe cycle which is neither push or pull but a continuos flow of all things. (I'd hate to list all the source inspirations collected over 40 years).

PS- Like much of physics, the diagrams could use more labels. Like the uncertainty of the third sentence in the caption of Fig 10.2 in diagram above.

Yes, I think you`re speaking of electrogravity. I didn`t think of it when considering the orbit of Sol-system but your descriptions above brought it to mind. Fortunately (or unfortunately) it has already been discovered and is in use by Alien civilizations in this Universe and beyond if the primer, Alien Mind (http://exopoliticshongkong.com/uploads/Alien_Mind_a_Primer_book.pdf), is to be believed. Apparently it is not `free`energy and so its use is heavily monitored. The cost is in `lost`time, spent as a side-effect of the use of electrogravity. The science seems consistent and sound according to my understanding.

Thanks for the thoughtful post and information! Great stuff!

Mark
30th June 2012, 22:42
Good Info Rahkyt (and everyone)! There was a description, Somewhere, that posits the theory that our Sol system actually orbits Alcyone, in the Pleiades. There was another one that further posited that the Pleiades, around which the Sol system orbited, actually orbits Sirius, and that All follow Sirius around the galaxy center. So... we have spirals within spirals within spirals. Pretty complicated when one starts to try and discern the truth. Obviously, the Maya had it down to a science, and it is the reason that their calendar(s) are so accurate.

I'll have to find those two orbital diagrams.. I know that I saw them both on PA, and on the general internet.

In Unity, Peace and Love

Hi Kindred! If you can find those diagrams it would be greatly appreciated. I did mention the Alcyone thing in the OP. It is problematic as the Pleides is further out from the galactic core than Sol-system. So how we could orbit that region of space is difficult to conceptualize. Thanks in advance and I look forward to seeing them!

Mark
30th June 2012, 22:52
My humble assertion is (also) that oscilloscope rendering of waves should offer 3d views, as spirals above. The side views without perspective view angles, do look like 2d, sine waveforms. But to my limited experience, there is no display of current on top of voltage... This would open new avenues of research, perhaps. To see where current is in relation to voltage, visually...

Whether plasma filament s relate to these comments, is another conjecture. (It's just imagination).

Separately, the winding of coils, of many kinds, does open new avenues, for experiementation. The magnetic paths are very much shaped by the contours of coils. Therefore, if an ordinary coil is wound upon a coil, upon a coil, some remarkable configurations can arise. The image above demonstrates that 'winding' of (non touching) turns upon turns, does result in "helical-interferences". In other words, causing eddys in the magnetic paths. My crude experimentation has found that harmonic responses occur. More experimentation is recomended to explore frequency convertions. However, there are very complex variations of resulting paths, (when modeled in software).... In terms of Cosmic Geography, i expect that orbital spirals can likewise occur, in terms of spirals orbiting spirals. This was the main point of posting today, right here.

Cosmic star systems may involve some seeming wobbles, which in fact are helices orbiting helices. Where a toroid is modified with specialized twists, the magnetic field inside will doubly swirl, (instead of stream linearly).
Alfven , may have postulated a similar, generalized path as in the image above. His Magneto Hydromagnetics is illustrated as follows:
If we consider the electric-universe models, we can alter various test coils, to see if there may the new magnetic reactions.

Awesome conjectures! Sounds like you`ve been doing some great experimentation with interesting results. So do you take the electric-universe theory as being the correct understanding about how the universe works energetically? The spirals and energetic formations that you posit make sense from the data points you share and I`m certain that the planets in Sol-system ( and any other star system) conform to them in some shape or fashion with the caveat that their interrelation and differential energetic outputs may give rise to harmonic resonances that shift the patterns from the modeled means as depicted in your images.

I`m also quite sure that the Tesla research did not stop with his death and that, somewhere on this planet, someone or some group of someones already knows quite a bit about these potentialities and has built tech that gives form to the theory!

Bo Atkinson
1st July 2012, 09:17
So do you take the electric-universe theory as being the correct understanding about how the universe works energetically?

I never got into the equations, rather just the geometry which has seemed like another language, tracing out much of the same stuff. Also the lore adds more fun.

It is indeed warned, not to experiment with the aim of improving human energy uses. Which is easily complied with, just making a living, from the bottom up. It's OK to look (at pretty geometry), just don't touch the bottom line of the elites. It seems OK to play with coil harmonics (http://harmoniouspalette.com/Toroidal-Inductor-Fields.html), if we pay he electric bill.

I only recently found Alien Mind through the interview with Lo Buono and started this thread. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46200-Alien-Mind-The-Thought-and-Behavior-of-Extraterrestrials-2010) I suppose the electrogravitic terms are settling into culture, but i still trudge along with older fashioned visualization. Besides i like to emphasize the time factor. This aspect seemed to be the potentiating self demise of the Verdant, invaders.

Actually though, my take on the alleged alien mindedness, is more about cooperative-harmonies like actual-ecology rather than Verdant-aliens with their gated-hording of stolen planets. To say nothing of the complicit-entrapment-schemes they use on tin-horn-dictators, (in general). The geography of stolen galaxies and the discipline of living ecologically, (without the dependencies on fake-ecology pushed everywhere).

Thanks Rahkyt,

ωΩ

Mark
2nd July 2012, 05:59
Good for you, making knowledge experiential.

I don't know if the terms are settling into culture. A lot of people still don't know about the book or its contents.

I know that I share the pdf in many places since I've found it, introducing folks to it, it's good to see you doing the same, and others as well.

From my reading, I take it the ecologies evolve that way after millennia and even billions of years of planetary and cultural evolution. I didn't read much about short-cuts.

Telepathy cuts out lying. You can get past a lot of societal hangups if you really know what the other guy or other group is thinking. Then, it becomes impossible to act as if selfishness or greed can be justifiable and it becomes more about the collective and the civilization.

But, apparently, even the ecology of a group like the Verdants can be justified in those terms.

Mark
6th July 2012, 21:35
With the discovery of Higgs-Boson (http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/341993/title/Higgs_found), the mainstream scientific establishment reigns triumphant. They have discovered the elusive particle that makes up the various types of subatomic particle, which then make up atomic and then molecular structure. The HB comprises what might be considered to be the ether, or the substratum of energetic and oceanic pervasivity that provides the medium through which all matter is manifest, resonates and responds to disparate applications of force.

What does this mean?

It means that mainstream science is now open to further considerations of an ultraterrestrial and paranormal nature. It means that space is no longer just "space". It is no longer just empty out there, it is filled with - as mentioned earlier in this thread - a form of pre-energy, perhaps the substrate mentioned also above within which electrogravity persists.

There is little now in the way of coming to a mainstream "theory of everything" or "unified field theory" in time. Considering the great potentiality that these discoveries are only new to humanity and are rather standard and dull in other parts of the cosmos, our "great leap" may be run of the mill but it bodes very well for the near future.

Bo Atkinson
11th July 2012, 02:31
More spirally cosmic geography of the paths taken..

http://harmoniouspalette.com/WalterRusselYoutube.jpg

Walter Russel on you tubes have been great to watch now and then. Thanks to reminders on another thread.