Man and Dinosaurs co-existed

[jack]

This is the conclusion I have come to after sifting through mountains of information on the subject.

Here's a little something to get you guys started ; If you've not already seen this before it is a show called "Ancient Aliens" which was broadcast on the History channel (would you believe) which presents some overwhelming evidence in favor of Dinosaurs and Mans coexistence ;

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[Maia Gabrial]

One thing I learned is that everything about ancient life boils down to best guesses. Even with all the collected data, they still have to make best guesses. So, maybe man and dinosaurs did coexist, but was that in the same neighborhoods and DID they get along?

One of my favorite cartoons (that I wished I had saved) was about an archaeologist from the future wearing a toilet seat on his shoulders. The caption was that it was probably a ceremonial headdress.... Like I said, best guesses....

[Whiskey_Mystic]

I found this documentary


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sz6IpmmYSXA

[RedeZra]

there are evidences suggesting coexistence of man and dino

but the proof is in the establishment denying any coexistence


take what the government says turn it upside down and we got a truth ; )





the Nile mosaic of Palestrina (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nile_mosaic_of_Palestrina)

http://www.mlahanas.de/Greeks/Animals/Strange/Pal4.jpg



http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRo7Q7HSMaoA4cW56_GTL0JzBd6MNwPSyRLOgO3BDtmGgQUMJtddOA8HIoC



Angkor Wat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angkor_Wat)

http://www.travelmamas.com/media/siem_dino.jpg



the Ica stones of Peru (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ica_stones)

http://www.answersingenesis.org/assets/images/articles/cm/v24/i2/p30_icaStone.jpg

[EarthMan]

I attended the Megalithomania conference in the UK this year and Michael Cremo presented evidence of human footprints that were date at the same time as dinosaurs. Further evidence was given that humans have been here for millions of years.

I maybe stating what is already known by fellow members but for those new to this it may be of interest to investigate the work of Michael Cremo.

[Star Tsar]

Klaus Dona has also found some very interesting artifacts.

[observer]

EarthMan and K.W.B are both correct, Michael Cremo and Klaus Dona have some very relevant evidence.

Michael Cremo's work is based on ancient Vedic text which speaks of the history of man dating back almost two billion years. Cremo explains this very coherently in this video based on his book "Forbidden Archaeology":

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2895087993533041198#
The French intro ends at 1:00 min.

And, of course Bill Ryan interviewed Klaus Dona quite some time ago, I don't recall anything about dinosaurs in that particular interview, but it can be found in the Camelot video index.

[jack]

there are evidences suggesting coexistence of man and dino

but the proof is in the establishment denying any coexistence


take what the government says turn it upside down and we got a truth ; )





the Nile mosaic of Palestrina (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nile_mosaic_of_Palestrina)

http://www.mlahanas.de/Greeks/Animals/Strange/Pal4.jpg



http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRo7Q7HSMaoA4cW56_GTL0JzBd6MNwPSyRLOgO3BDtmGgQUMJtddOA8HIoC



Angkor Wat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angkor_Wat)

http://www.travelmamas.com/media/siem_dino.jpg



the Ica stones of Peru (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ica_stones)

http://www.answersingenesis.org/assets/images/articles/cm/v24/i2/p30_icaStone.jpg

Who gives a crap what the government thinks or says why would you even think it. The very last fact of the matter is that we the people have the power and every time you refer to "them" you give them more power and rob if from yourself. You know this, I know this and that's all that matters. Who gives a crap what any other authoritarian establishment feels.

[RedeZra]

there are evidences suggesting coexistence of man and dino

but the proof is in the establishment denying any coexistence


take what the government says turn it upside down and we got a truth ; )



Who gives a crap what the government thinks or says why would you even think it. The very last fact of the matter is that we the people have the power and every time you refer to "them" you give them more power and rob if from yourself. You know this, I know this and that's all that matters. Who gives a crap what any other authoritarian establishment feels.


tnx for the sweet reply ; )


the point i was trying to make

is that the ptb turn truths into lies and lies into truths


and i've spent more than 24 years researching this

[Ellisa]

There are animals on this planet with us that lived with the dinosaurs- some of them are crocodiles, dragon flies- and birds, which are almost dinosaurs with feathers!

But no humans.

[heyokah]

Masons and dinosaurs,
peacefully living together.

No doubt.
It's all there ; )

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[Star Tsar]

Check out these sculptures found by Mr Dona from Mr Renses website!

http://rense.com/general92/dino.htm

[Krullenjongen]

There is also pretty good evidence of dinosaur footprints together with man.
At 10 mins 30 sec. of the video below they talk about the footprints of dinosaurs and man found together at the paluxy river in Texas.

Forbidden Archeology - Secret Discoveries of Early Man
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But does this mean that man was living here on earth millions of years ago or....
Does that mean that the dating methods we use maybe not as reliable as we think they are and earths history does not span billions of years but just thousands.
The video below is very interesting because a group of scientist came together in the RATE project.
The RATE project has found several major pieces of evidence that radioisotope dating is in error by a factor of many orders of magnitude and rocks commonly thought to be billions of years old may only be thousands of years old.
If this is true, than our understanding of earths history may be completely wrong!

Thousands...Not Billions
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[heyokah]

http://i50.tinypic.com/o8rj47.jpg



In Glen Rose Texas, there are Giant man tracks alongside dinosaur tracks that were left behind in the prehistoric mud that have turned into solid stone all along the entire length of the Paluxy River.
This totally debunks the evolutionist theory that dinosaurs died off 65 million years before man.
Excavation teams have used backhoes to dig further back from the river bank to uncover additional tracks that are burred under 7 or 8 foot of lime stone rock layers and dirt, to prove that these giant 16" and 18" man tacks were not a man made hoax.
There is clear evidence all along the Paluxy River in the rocks, that man and dinosaurs lived at the same time.
X-rays of the dinosaur and man foot prints show that they were made by compressed mud, resulting in a higher density of rock at the surface of the print than below, proving the authenticity of the tracks and that they were not carved into the stone by men.

The longest Dinosaur trails are found on the Turkmenian plateau in Turkey, where there are over three thousand dinosaur tracts and human footprints found together, with over 65 different species of dinosaurs.
The implications of these discoveries are staggering. The fact that human and dinosaur footprints have been found next to each other at 2 or 3 different sites is a smashing blow to evolutionism.
Both Russian and Turkmenistan scientists have verified these human and dinosaur footprints which is evidence that is hard to dismiss.
This is nothing short of astonishing that in an atheistic communist empire which holds strictly to evolutionary dogma, would admit to the possibility of humans and dinosaurs living at the same time

But of course, modern geologists and paleontologists would laugh to scorn anyone who would dare to say that dinosaurs lived at the same time as man. Darwin's theory of evolution postulates that all life on earth gradually evolved over eons of time, millions of years, and conventional theory states that dinosaurs lived about 65 million years ago. The only evidence to support this theory, is of course " Darwin's theory" of evolution.

Read more, much more....:

http://www.myspace.com/pkq856/blog/525704470

[PHARAOH]

Yes, we cannot escape our genetic makeup. We are part Amphibian/ Reptoid/ Human. You are the spermazoa! You, in the "primordial waters" of your mothers womb. My how we've changed... We are everything we think were not, and nothing of who we think we are. Anywayzzz... :wizard:

[jack]

there are evidences suggesting coexistence of man and dino

but the proof is in the establishment denying any coexistence


take what the government says turn it upside down and we got a truth ; )



Who gives a crap what the government thinks or says why would you even think it. The very last fact of the matter is that we the people have the power and every time you refer to "them" you give them more power and rob if from yourself. You know this, I know this and that's all that matters. Who gives a crap what any other authoritarian establishment feels.


tnx for the sweet reply ; )


the point i was trying to make

is that the ptb turn truths into lies and lies into truths


and i've spent more than 24 years researching this

Apologies for the bluntness of my reply, I was having one of "those days" and I shouldnt have expressed it on you, forgive me. <3

For sure its safe to say that if its yellow they will tell us its blue. It would be nothing short of fantastic to live in a world where information is shared freely and we are given access too all of lifes mysteries, can you just imagine? I shiver at the thought, to be once and for all given access too all of the facts and information about the history of our species on this planet.

[observer]

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Thousands...Not Billions
AMy2IUeXJRI

The RATE project has found several major pieces of evidence that radioisotope dating is in error by a factor of many orders of magnitude and rocks commonly thought to be billions of years old may only be thousands of years old.
If this is true, than our understanding of earths history may be completely wrong!



Krullenjongen,

You can't really be serious with this video, are you???

Mind you, I'm not speaking of the compartmentalized science found in the Oxford Template, because that is just as corrupt as these pseudo "scientist" found in the video you posted.

Real scientific discovery does NOT take the conclusion and mold the facts to fit that conclusion. This is exactly what the manipulated science of the Oxford Template does.

One can't possibly believe that billions of years of radiological decay occurred within the "first two days of creation".

Possibly, the current model of radiological decay is flawed to some extent, but NOT by billions of years.

.... and I thought creationists believed the great flood occurred in the time of Noah. How then do these pseudo creationists scientist connect the great flood to the 'alleged' accelerated radiological decay that they are claiming occurred within the first two days of creation.

This sort of drivel is a total waist of the forums time.... (just my humble opinion)

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Please take note:
This comment is only in reference to the second video in Krullenjongen's comment #13. I didn't watch the first video "Forbidden Archaeology", which I suspect includes Michael Cremo's work. Cremo is an excellent source of debunking the orthodox science of the Oxford Template.

[Krullenjongen]

Krullenjongen,

You can't really be serious with this video, are you???

Mind you, I'm not speaking of the compartmentalized science found in the Oxford Template, because that is just as corrupt as these pseudo "scientist" found in the video you posted.

Real scientific discovery does NOT take the conclusion and mold the facts to fit that conclusion. This is exactly what the manipulated science of the Oxford Template does.

One can't possibly believe that billions of years of radiological decay occurred within the "first two days of creation".

Possibly, the current model of radiological decay is flawed to some extent, but NOT by billions of years.

.... and I thought creationists believed the great flood occurred in the time of Noah. How then do these pseudo creationists scientist connect the great flood to the 'alleged' accelerated radiological decay that they are claiming occurred within the first two days of creation.

This sort of drivel is a total waist of the forums time.... (just my humble opinion)

edit

Please take note:
This comment is only in reference to the second video in Krullenjongen's comment #13. I didn't watch the first video "Forbidden Archaeology", which I suspect includes Michael Cremo's work. Cremo is an excellent source of debunking the orthodox science of the Oxford Template.

Well i am not totally sold on this idea, if that's what you mean.
But i do not see you give any good arguments on why this could never be so.
I thought the information was thought provoking and because the scientist who did the reasearch are of good standing why should one not hear what they have to say with an open mind.
Most of the time when christian researchers come with findings that support their world view people don't want to listen because they think the researchers are only set out to find support of their theories.(like you do) But this can be said of every researcher who tries to find evidence for his theories.
But what you say is starting with the conclusion is in my eyes starting with an hypothesis and then do research to support this hypothesis.
I thought that this is what all scientific research is all about.

As a christian i did some research into the idea of a young earth and there are more points of "evidence" that point in that direction. I do not cling to the idea of a young earth and it does not make any difference for my faith.
i just found it very interesting to see some research that points into the direction of a young earth that never is really discredited by other researchers after that and sometimes it is even suppressed because it does not stroke with the mainstream scientific view of most people (like with the research on radio halos, which is also very interesting).
The same thing is happening in archeology with the so called OOP arts (out of place artifacts).

If you want to read some more on this topic you can start with the two links below.

Radioisotopes and the Age of the Earth (RATE)
http://www.icr.org/rate/

Evidence for a Young World
http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/2005/06/01/evidence-for-young-world

[observer]

[....snip]
"Mind you, I'm not speaking of the compartmentalized science found in the Oxford Template, because that is just as corrupt as these pseudo "scientist" found in the video you posted."
[....snip]


"Well i am not totally sold on this idea, if that's what you mean.
But i do not see you give any good arguments on why this could never be so."
[....snip]


The evidence I've already posted, Krullenjongen, the evidence....
[see comment #7]


If you please take note to the above quoted line from my comment to your video. I put this statement early in my criticism to your video for a very good reason.

As I also stated in my comment:

"Possibly, the current model of radiological decay is flawed to some extent, but NOT by billions of years.

You can't possibly believe the universe is only 6000 years old??? .... or even the solar system??? .... or even this planet???

The first video you posted "UFOTV: Forbidden Archeology - Secret Discoveries" was right on target. Possibly with the exception of some added Hollywood glamour.

It was a product of Michael Cremo and Richard Thompson's work. Their evidence is explicit.

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Contrary to the belief system of most creationists, the 'Oxford Template Of Compartmentalized Learning' was NOT design to upset the status quo. It was designed to control the flow of information to the Masses.

When the system was developed, the Holy Roman Empire (Catholic) Church was the 'status quo'. At that time, there were others as well, but as we all now know, the entire global system is run by a few global elite. The major ecumenical religions are one of those global elite.

As discoveries have been made in direct contradiction to that particular status quo, those discoveries were compartmentalized so that the Mass of Humanity wouldn't quite get what was actually going-on.

Evolutionary theory is in direct opposition to most Fundamentalist Christians, but it doesn't upset the status quo as much as the real truth would. That's why the Oxford Template of Learning has been 'allowed' to co-exist with the major world religions. These two subsets of understanding create a 'perfect' dichotomy for the global elite to play against one another.

The real evidence does not prove a "young earth", it proves a VERY OLD age of Man - in direct opposition to the 'alleged' historical account of the Old Testament.

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As I previously stated:

"Possibly, the current model of radiological decay is flawed to some extent...."

With all the independent scientists working on dating the universe, brilliant minds, all working on proving one conclusion, the data cannot possibly be flawed by billions of years. One, or many of these individuals would have come forward by now. I'm speaking of peer reviewed scientist, not rogue creationists pseudo-scientists.

The handful of 'creationists scientists' you have offered as evidence are more likely to be the ones with the flawed data. Where are their peer reviews? In what major scientific journals have they published?

Just for a few example of the inconsistencies within the RATE video:


Very relevant photographs were inexplicably 'missing' from the RATE lecture. This begs the question, were these particular photographs EVER there?

String theory is out the window with the understanding of Plasma Physics (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4773590301316220374&ei=kPM1SfiSDIruqAKNrdWkCQ&q=thunderbolts+of+the+gods+#). String theory is a function of the Oxford Template.

The flood cannot possibly have anything to do with this "alleged" rapid decay, the flood didn't occur until well after the development of civilization.

Modern archaeologists date the flood to around 12,000 BCE and relate it to the rapid melting of the last glaciation - most likely the result of a plasma event.

Geologists will tell you there have been many global glaciations. Did these all occur within the 6,000 years creationists are proposing?

The links you offered in your above comment are both publications in Fundamentalists Christian literature. Where is the peer review here?

I could go on-and-on, but there most likely is no point.


I stand on the evidence I offered in comment #7:

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