Philip Wollen's Speech on the uses of animals in today's society

[exchange student]

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Here's a little bio from youtube

"Philip was vice president of Citibank, specialising in corporate finance, mergers and acquisitions.

At age 34, he was rated by Australian Business Magazine in their Top 40 Australian head-hunted executives. At age 40, he witnessed cruelty on such a colossal scale that it affected him profoundly. He decided to give away everything he owned with warm hands, and die broke. 'And so far, we are right on budget,' he jokes.

Today he devotes his life to children, animals, the environment, the terminally ill, the homeless and the arts. He supports over 500 humanitarian projects in over 40 countries with schools, orphanages, shelters, sanctuaries, clinics, and scholarships.

In 2005 he received the Order of Australia. In 2007 he was Australian of the Year, Victoria. The Australia Day Council said of him, 'Essentially a private man, Philip Wollen seeks no personal publicity but is not afraid to step into the limelight for a just cause.' "


What do you guys think about his speech?

Steve

[NancyV]

Much of what Mr. Wollen says is true, but I think he's chosen a cause that will be a losing battle for him. Perhaps his passion and commitment can help improve the factory farms and the cruel way many animals are treated, but I don't think he'll ever be successful in converting a large percentage of the world's people to vegetarianism. I brainwashed my children into being vegetarians with similar tactics of fear and disgust at not only how animals were treated but with the spiritual implications of eating animals. So I speak from a place of experience and understanding of his emotional attachment to this cause.

I no longer am a vegetarian, nor do I feel that guilt, fear and disgust are good tactics to use to convince people to become vegetarian. After years of research I came to acknowledge that total vegetarianism may not be the most healthy diet nor the most natural diet for human animals. I know all the arguments for and against vegetarianism. I know all the statistics.

We are spiritual beings in an animal body having a human experience. Many species of animals eat other animals, it is their nature. I think it is entirely natural for humans to eat other animals and it may, in fact, be more healthy than a total vegetarian diet. Here is a good article on mercola.com about

VEGETARIAN MYTHS: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2000/04/02/vegetarian-myths.aspx

Of course I would love to see universal humane treatment of animals, but even that will not happen everywhere with everyone. We humans are often a violent lot who give little thought to the pain we cause animals, including other human animals. Then you have those who tend to anthropomorphize animals, thinking that they have the same emotions and needs as we humans. This is a projection on our part and we truly do not know what the ultimate purpose of animals is or what their emotions are. Most of us don't even know ourselves, much less other animals.

Mr. Wollen seems to be doing a lot of good so I appreciate his cause while not agreeing with everything he espouses. As passionate as he is, I think he will at the very least help awaken more awareness in people about their responsibility to treat animals with respect and care.

[Tane Mahuta]

Thankyou for the video ES, whilst watching the video, the word "Earthlings" come to mind. He touches on the title later on in the video.

For those who haven't seen the video, here's the link. (viewer discretion advised)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ce4DJh-L7Ys

TM

there is a saying...

"If we had to kill our own meat...we would all be vegetarians!!.."

[Bo Atkinson]

Nancy, I appreciate your personal experience with the question to be or not to be....

I felt a different reaction to the speech: What does higher life in the galaxy feel about this question?

I'm persuaded that higher life is about evolvement towards improving ecology.

Aliens likely wonder if we deserve nature's beauty here.

In this regard, it is very much about the reality we create. If we simply buy the big-box-store reality... If one's kids are drawn into that matrix... If we struggle already to feed, clothe and house ourselves... If we just get that much done then sleep at night...

What sort of reality do we create?

I agree however: It is not about one simple change in life. It is not just buying imported veggies and burger in fast foods. Hurry through the day, as the matrix demands.

I appreciate DrMercolla's works, yet i regard that as only a primer. The average person cannot afford to buy his best recommendations. We the people actually have to build reality, perhaps from the ground up. IMHO
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[exchange student]

Thank you for your input Nancy, very interesting opinion on the matter.

However for myself my awareness began while reading the books by Dolores Cannon especially (Custodians and the Convoluted Universe series). She concluded that by eating our "modern day meat" our body frequency became heavier resulting from all the additives and the chemicals that were being feed to the animals. These chemicals were then deposited in our organs and in the long run weakened our immune system. This opened my mind to all the other reasons for becoming vegan(http://www.flex.com/~jai/articles/101.html) and one day I said to myself how can I be pro life If I destroy life to pursue my own? And here I am three years after, in the best physical and emotional state of my life. I have took a blood test every year and my test always came back with flying colours. The only thing you have to look out for while being a vegan is that vitamin B12 doesn't come from any plant source, so you have to procure it artificially. And Nancy, I know that Mr Wollen will not succeed in converting the masses to adopt vegetarianism, because changing something that is so deeply in rooted in our culture takes time to change. Like you mentioned, the goal isn't to convert everyone to vegetarianism it's to make the average person more aware of where their meal came from, hoping that they will realize that globalizing farming methods is bad idea and that supporting local farms is the way to go.

Anyways I respect anyones opinion on this matter, I see it more as a lifestyle and a philosophy rather than a mere diet. Appart from Mr Wollen's speech here is one of my favourite sayings,

"For as long as men massacre animals, they will kill each other. Indeed, he who sows the seed of murder and pain cannot reap joy and love." - Pythagoras

Cheers,

Steve

[Sidney]

With todays technology, I think it is possible (may have been done already) to clone meat providing animal species, without the spirit soul, so they cant experience pain or cruelty. They can now grow human skin type mesh for surgical procedures, and even regrow limbs, why cant they "grow" meat, for consumption.????? That said, without the spirit energy, would we have the same nutritional benefit from eating such a thing?????

[exchange student]

The cost for such a procedure would definitely surpass the cost of todays animal farming methods. Unfortunately in the world we live in, if it's not profitable it's not worth trying.