True shelvelife of drugs (a nurse tells)

[778 neighbour of some guy]

I post this in general because it gets the most viewers, i suggest you view these vlogs, all of them, expand your attention span.

I know and also understand why these kind of posts may be viewed as negative, fear porn/mongering and what not, i am not for allopatic medicine perse, also not against them when used properly and they cure instead of poison.

There may come a time when choices in whats available are small.

So here are some usefull videos worth viewing.

She has a lot of videos on youtube, check them out

True shelvelife of drugs.

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50 dollar medical kit.

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Top 5 antibiotics

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Who will die first.

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Collapse/ death waves.

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Regards

Ed

[Anchor]

Very good, thanks

Here from the SLEP page


The following is a general notice from SLEP manager:
As a reminder, all testing and extension data provided to the Shelf Life Extension Program (SLEP) by the Food and Drug Administration is considered For Official Use Only and cannot be shared with anyone outside the user's organization. SLEP Administrators have fielded several calls recently from individuals wanting to share this information with local, civilian counterparts. That is not permissible, as it is not only a violation of the terms agreed to by the FDA but also a violation of the Memorandum of Agreement each participant organization signs prior to entering the SLEP program. SLEP website accounts of violators will immediately be terminated and inventories may be eliminated from the program, pending notification of the parent organization. Additionally, non-SLEP organizations that use SLEP information are in violation of Federal law that governs misbranded pharmaceuticals. Questions on this topic may be addressed to SLEP Administrators through the website.
SLEP Admin

Official Shelf-Life Extension Program (SLEP) Website (https://slep.dmsbfda.army.mil/) (requires military registration)
DLAR Storage Regulations (http://www.usamma.army.mil/assets/docs/dlar.pdf)
DLA Customer Assistance Handbook (http://www.dla.mil/J-4/publication.asp#Customer)


The links she gives so you can find out the information which she presents....

1) http://www.usamma.army.mil/dod_slep.cfm
2) http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2000/04/02/drug-expiration...
3) http://www.fda.gov/Drugs/Dru/gSafety/PostmarketDrugSafetyInformationforPatien...
4) http://bipolar.about.com/od/medications/a/expir_when.htm
5) http://www.rense.com/general29/fom.htm
6) http://www.essentialdrugs.org/edrug/archive/200003/msg00076.php
7) http://www.youtube.com/redirect?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.upmc-biosecurity.org%2Fwebsite%2Fresources%2Fpublications%2F2009%2F2009-03-27-max_st_local_med_cntr.html

Here is a link I found

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shelf_Life_Extension_Program :)

The DOD disclaimers are worth reading


It is important to note that products tested under this program are maintained under tightly managed, controlled conditions at a limited number of locations. Extrapolation of these data to drugs stored by others would be inappropriate. Storage conditions may vary widely across the population and SLEP data are not generalizable unless storage conditions are identical and verifiable. Even within the SLEP, products known to have been stored under adverse conditions (i.e., high temperature or low temperatures) by SLEP Participates are excluded from the program, unless they are marked and tested separately from “normal” stocks.

The SLEP Program never considers individual prescriptions issued to patients for extension. Items issued to individuals are considered dispensed prescriptions and are never permitted back into the supply chain, regardless of SLEP testing results, since the storage conditions of these items by individuals cannot be assured. Dispensed products that are turned in after completion of an operation are destroyed. Similar practices are executed in routine peacetime care in both DoD facilities and civilian medical practice.

[GoodETxSG]

Thank you, Very informative post. We need more like these!

[Cidersomerset]

This is something I have always thought, like canned foods etc sellby dates are a guide.
Useby dates are subject to variables in several factors , if sealed storage temp etc..
I have bought some vit D3 tabs and Echinacea and will still use them after the sellby.
and my dry herbs in the cuberd are well past their sellby date a year at least and
they still work..LOL..Steve

[Unified Serenity]

I always learned the old press the top of the can, if it gives or pops back, it's bad. Sell by dates are to cya the makers financial fanny. Tomato sauces don't go bad very fast. Hi fat content goes rancid. You can keep stuff a lot longer than most state, however, processed foods in boxes do not last, and while they may not make you ill, they taste like crap or do not function as intended, like cake mixes etc..

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Psych med detox in case of some sh!t hitting some fan ( not especially SHTF)

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[Arrowwind]

Most nurses know that the true shelf life of drugs is bogus, but nurses are bound by law to follow the administration rules. Then again there are quite a few bone head nurses.

If you are using drugs post the expiration date examine them carefully. Look for moistue damage, heat damage, discoloration, abnormal smell.
Water damage could affect the potency of drugs. Insulin, most of it must be refrigerated, so you must make sure it has been refrigerated.

Ive used postdated drugs all my life, although granted I dont use drugs hardly at all.

In regard to cipro, if a drug will last 10 years it probably will last 20 years. Really, nobody is testing this stuff and if its life or death use the drug if you have no other option. Just like in dry stored food. like beans and white rice. Most of it will keep much longer than than the shelf life date.

All liquid medications can be a risk with dates much further past 6 months past expiration date.

But I will tell you, if you are concerned about not having antibiotics you should stock MMS with citric acid. You should also stock vitamin c and learn to make lipsomal vitamin c. You should stock vitamin D3. You should have access to fresh garlic. Learn to grow it and how to use it. You should have a collloidal silver maker. You should have an ozone machine. You should have needles for injecting ozone gas. You should know how to do it as it is a skill with some risk if not applied correctly. You should have a stash of lugols iodine and know how to use it. You should know the herbs that grow wild in your area and know how to use them. You should know the rudimentary principles of homeoapthy and have a 50 remedy emergency kit.

You should grow opium poppies and learn how to extract the opium for pain management. You should learn how to use homeopathy for pain management. Most narcotic pills have an extremely long shelf life... could be decades.
aspirin does not store well. If it smells like vinegar throw it away. Learn to use red and white willow bark for fevers and infections. Aside from having similar properties to aspirin it has antibacterial properties, unlike aspirin.

For eye infections I have found nothing better than a common tube of neosporin applied directly into the eyes. Self life is about forever.

Most of the other medications you wont need if you use the above.

and btw, MMS is clearly curing quite a few cases of diabetes.

[Arrowwind]

I found that her emergency medical pack was quite lacking! and what she offered cost way more than $50! Look again at what I mentioned in my above post.

Most of the bandaging stuff was just fine and the musinex is essential for respiratory infections. Other drugs to consider is pseudophedrine or zyrtec. I keep both.

Do not count on isopropol alcholol to clean wounds with! It just doesnt work. and hydrogen peroxide will do next to nothing for dental infections.
It will alleviate the symptoms for a while and when your bottle runs out you will be right back where you started from

Use diluted mms to clean all wounds with. Use it for a gargle on oral infections of all kinds.

Deep wounds can be rinsed with MMS or diluted Lugols iodine. The dont use isopropol alcohol before surgery. They use iodine as a prep and so should you, and lugols is best. Isopropol alcholol will do next to nothing.

One thing that she missed that is really essential is steristrips. You can avoid the need for suturing if you have good steristrips. long and wide ones that can be cut to the size you need. You will also need skin preps to go with them as they will help adhere the strips to the skin. They dont work will without. You will not need suturing unless there is vessel damage or significant nerve damage. After applying the steristrips bind the wound to help keep it immobile, especially for large muscles.

She also missed having a mineral complex that is stored dry but mixed with water to deal with severe diarrhea. You cant store pedialyte for long term so have the stuff to make your own. In most diarrhea cases people who do die die from dehydration not the bug. MMS will kill most of the bugs. So will grapefruit seed extract.

Diarrhea and respiratory infection would be the leading causes of death aside from exposure.

Benadryl is essential for severe allergy.. 25mg for children under 12, 12.5 mg for kids under 6, 50mg for adults if its serious every 4 to 6 hours. But if you know homeopathy you can do much better much faster with the leading homeopathic remedies for allergic reaction found in most homeopathic emergency kits.

I am grateful everyday that I have the knowledge to protect my family and neighbors. If she were confronted with a real shtf event she would not last too long with what she is stashing.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Most nurses know that the true shelf life of drugs is bogus, but nurses are bound by law to follow the administration rules. Then again there are quite a few bone head nurses.

If you are using drugs post the expiration date examine them carefully. Look for moistue damage, heat damage, discoloration, abnormal smell.
Water damage could affect the potency of drugs. Insulin, most of it must be refrigerated, so you must make sure it has been refrigerated.

Ive used postdated drugs all my life, although granted I dont use drugs hardly at all.

In regard to cipro, if a drug will last 10 years it probably will last 20 years. Really, nobody is testing this stuff and if its life or death use the drug if you have no other option. Just like in dry stored food. like beans and white rice. Most of it will keep much longer than than the shelf life date.

All liquid medications can be a risk with dates much further past 6 months past expiration date.

But I will tell you, if you are concerned about not having antibiotics you should stock MMS with citric acid. You should also stock vitamin c and learn to make lipsomal vitamin c. You should stock vitamin D3. You should have access to fresh garlic. Learn to grow it and how to use it. You should have a collloidal silver maker. You should have an ozone machine. You should have needles for injecting ozone gas. You should know how to do it as it is a skill with some risk if not applied correctly. You should have a stash of lugols iodine and know how to use it. You should know the herbs that grow wild in your area and know how to use them. You should know the rudimentary principles of homeoapthy and have a 50 remedy emergency kit.

You should grow opium poppies and learn how to extract the opium for pain management. You should learn how to use homeopathy for pain management. Most narcotic pills have an extremely long shelf life... could be decades.
aspirin does not store well. If it smells like vinegar throw it away. Learn to use red and white willow bark for fevers and infections. Aside from having similar properties to aspirin it has antibacterial properties, unlike aspirin.

For eye infections I have found nothing better than a common tube of neosporin applied directly into the eyes. Self life is about forever.

Most of the other medications you wont need if you use the above.

and btw, MMS is clearly curing quite a few cases of diabetes.

I doubt she knows MMS exists and being a practicing nurse she would get fired for advertising it, i think she is doing a great job informing people to the best of her knowledge, 94.99 % of people dont inform people about sh!t.


I am using MMS and Zeolites ( liquid) for a number of years now and am doing fine, it works, you are correct about that.

[Unified Serenity]

I like her videos, and just watched this one. It's on a different level, and it might just be one of the most important. I have been starting to network more. I think having the right friends that you truly trust is key. We need all kinds of people to survive a bad situation, and to me it really doesnt matter your politics if we are all working together to provide, protect, and move forward.

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This one was great too:

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[ThePythonicCow]

ThePatriotNurse suffered a loss three weeks ago - her fiance Paul Gomez died suddenly in his sleep.


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[Arrowwind]

I doubt she knows MMS exists and being a practicing nurse she would get fired for advertising it, i think she is doing a great job informing people to the best of her knowledge, 94.99 % of people dont inform people about sh!t.


I am using MMS and Zeolites ( liquid) for a number of years now and am doing fine, it works, you are correct about that.

They could not legally fire her for promoting MMS in an educational way. There is not a dam thing they could do. What she does promote is very limited and will not get anyone through rough times, especially if rough times last more than a couple of months. So far it is still legal to tell people about anything about anything. But she should not sell it and do the telling at the same time. Someone aught to tell her about MMS but I bet she would not go for it.

She calls herself patriot nurse...but she has been bought and sold by the pharmaceutical company, and thats where her patriatism lies and i make this estimation not from what she says but all the things that she does not say. In a real shtf scenario we have to learn to live without phamaceuticals. this is where learning ones herbal rep. starts to come in and when it comes to infection Garlic is just about Number One. .. when applied correctly. In a real shtf scenario we will run out of vitamin c long before garlic. Learn how to grow it or grow or collect the following: abcess root, comfrey, yarrow, mint, bloodroot, burdock, golden seal, echinecea, nettles, vervain, pinebark, bindweed, wormwood, self heal, valerian, white and red willow bark.

I see that she links to Dr Mercola's site but she just isnt getting it.

Networking is important. If you live an integrated lifestyle within your community you will have it. I have found that learning to grow my own food has opened lots of doors... as well as seeking out real food from those around me that produce it... as well as taking my product to farmer's market. We barter some around here... real work for real work. If you have no skill or product to barter or sell, your best friends will grow weary of you. You must have a valuable commodity in a shtf scenario. How long can you expect freinds to provide for you when you give nothing of value in return?

My friend told me that she could find food from people around her, and she knows i store food and garden.... but I told her that I would not likely give her any food until she had feasted on her 4 dogs and 6 cats first... she stores animal food but no human food. Dam If Im gonna give her food that I know she would feed to her pets when there are likley hungry kids around.

What friendship is and means will change. Values will change. Everything will change.

I feel that patriotnurse putting herself in a postion as a teacher but what she has to offer is extremely limited. She needs to branch out more and leave behind her much of conventional medical indoctrination. Unless she does this she will not find the right answers for a shtf scenario. Most of it is fear based and telling of how things could come down, not how to really survive it.


Rules of survival over the ages are with those who live close to the land and have had training in earth based technologies and skills and who know how to read and work with nature and with their hands. Those who do not move to an area where this can be accompolished will be way behind the curve and they will certainly die pretty quick... and they think that they can survive with urban gardening are just fooling themselves, they have adopted a strategie to alleviate their anxiety and thats about all they are doing for the moment, and it only serves them in this moment. It is a non-reality based dream for survival.

[Unified Serenity]

I see her being a mainstream no nonsense professional. Skin integrity is extremely important. She offers some easy advice. It is not her responsibility to be the local witch who knows how to procure aspirin from nature.

[shadowstalker]

My one year supply of MMS has lasted me 4 years

[Arrowwind]

I see her being a mainstream no nonsense professional. Skin integrity is extremely important. She offers some easy advice. It is not her responsibility to be the local witch who knows how to procure aspirin from nature.




Of couse skin integrity is important and any mother who has had a kid in diapers knows that. But what to do about it during along term economic collapse is the issue here. ... you know, when the butt paste has run out and the pharaceutical companies are closed and the doctors and nurses are helpless because they really don't know much about healing, although a lot about drugs.

I have been a no nonsense professional for 30 years now and I will tell you this, I have seen more skin breakdown come out of hospitals than go in. Even where one on one care was available because doctors and nurses dont know how to do it nor have the will power to implement the regimens necessary to heal wounds... hence many hospitals have instituted wound care teams to make sure the job gets done... wound care was one of my specialities so I am well aware of the pitfalls and what works and what does not. Stay away from isopropol alcoholl and hydrogen peroxide for difficult wounds. Hydrogen peroxide, even at half strength can debride tissues and damage necessary formations of granulation tissues. Isopropol alcohol is damaging also and will not prevent an infection. If you are going to stash stuff for survivial you might as well learn what will work and how to use it... as I have listed above.

No she is not he local witch, she is the local drug pusher and her information for an extreme survial scenario lends to feelings of false security.

[ThePythonicCow]

when it comes to infection Garlic is just about Number One. .. when applied correctly.
Thanks :). I have several natural antibiotics in my pantry, but hadn't noticed garlic.

I've noticed now!

[Arrowwind]

when it comes to infection Garlic is just about Number One. .. when applied correctly.
Thanks :). I have several natural antibiotics in my pantry, but hadn't noticed garlic.

I've noticed now!

Dont be misled. For garlic to work as an effective antibiotic you must eat it raw, crushed with your teeth, 2 cloves every 4 hours day and night. For serious infection treatment may take a month or more.

[Anchor]

But I will tell you, if you are concerned about not having antibiotics you should stock MMS with citric acid. You should also stock vitamin c and learn to make lipsomal vitamin c. You should stock vitamin D3. You should have access to fresh garlic. Learn to grow it and how to use it. You should have a collloidal silver maker. You should have an ozone machine. You should have needles for injecting ozone gas. You should know how to do it as it is a skill with some risk if not applied correctly. You should have a stash of lugols iodine and know how to use it. You should know the herbs that grow wild in your area and know how to use them. You should know the rudimentary principles of homeoapthy and have a 50 remedy emergency kit.

Thanks for this.

I am interested in your comment about injecting ozone. I would not know the first thing about how or why one would do this, would you please summarize the basics.

[Arrowwind]

[QUOTE=Arrowwind;512780]But I will tell you, if you are concerned about not having antibiotics you should stock MMS with citric acid. You should also stock vitamin c and learn to make lipsomal vitamin c. You should stock vitamin D3. You should have access to fresh garlic. Learn to grow it and how to use it. You should have a collloidal silver maker. You should have an ozone machine. You should have needles for injecting ozone gas. You should know how to do it as it is a skill with some risk if not applied correctly. You should have a stash of lugols iodine and know how to use it. You should know the herbs that grow wild in your area and know how to use them. You should know the rudimentary principles of homeoapthy and have a 50 remedy emergency kit.[/QUOTE

Thanks for this.

I am interested in your comment about injecting ozone. I would not know the first thing about how or why one would do this, would you please summarize the basics.

Pure medical grade ozone is one of the greatest pathogen killers on the planet. Ozone is how mothernature keeps the earth in balance microbe wise. Ozone gas has been used for at least 60 years to cure many diseases including hep c and AIDS

It can cure many cancers when properly applied.

Short of a full blown lecture you can look at some of these ozone articles to get an idea .... http://www.ozonatedoilonline.com/ozonearticles.html (http://www.ozonatedoilonline.com/ozonearticles.html)

My doctor injects ozone and cures serious mrsa where amputation has been recommended. He cures in 6 weeks after over a year of antibiotics has failed.