Survival tactics with Pistols

[Unified Serenity]

Patriot Nurse's fiance passed away this month. His name is Paul Gomez and he like patriot nurse had a preparedness bent. He also taught weapons useage and safety. I have been going through some of his videos and they are quite good. This one is about stoppages caused by various things when using a semi-automatic pistol. Anyone who does any regular shooting will encounter these problems, but if you are not in the habit of shooting, and a tense situation arises, how are you going to handle a stove pipe stoppage, or one I had recently of a failure to eject and feed so I had a live round stuck behind a shot round?

I hope this video and the ones I post as follow-up will be useful:

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Rest in peace Paul.

[Unified Serenity]

So, what caliber do you prefer? Here is an interesting break-down on 9mm vs. .45.

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[Unified Serenity]

Pistols Suck is the title of this video and it's funny, but important to consider what kind of defense weapon you want to rely on if you have a realistic choice.

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[Unified Serenity]

Common sense in what happens when they come to take your guns:

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[Anchor]

Not allowed them here :(

So

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[Unified Serenity]

ummm. good luck? Wait you have crocodile dundee right?

[danceblackcatdance]

likewise no guns here, in fact this is the only weapon you're legally allowed in the uk

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[Unified Serenity]

Where is your red-neck ingenuity. I can tell you right now that they could take all our guns out where I live and tomorrow we would have home made weapons that would be quite effective. Maybe we just spend too much time turning junk into useful stuff. I suggest you get the book, "Poor mans james bond".

[Anchor]

ummm. good luck? Wait you have crocodile dundee right?

Yes :)

Kinda...

I have a delightful collection of "cutlery" in fact.

Useful when out and about on the farm actually.

To be honest, my machete is probably the most fearsome thing I have - apart from my dirty looks. It is just a Cold Steel one.

I considered a firearms license (as a land owning "primary producer", I can actually do that for pest control, which we are legally obliged to do) but there are lots and lots of paper work here in Australia and you are only allowed 22, bolt action rim-fires with a max 5 round magazine; or a shotgun; or a high powered air-rifle. Then you have to have a standards compliant safe and consent to random inspections, so in the end I decided, for now, not to do that. I only wanted one in case I had to put any animals down in a hurry/emergency.

If I do actually need to kill anything, I will just have to be more creative about it.

[eileenrose]

Here is a short 3 minute video on what happens when it is legal to carry a gun and the police get called.

title: "Law Student Puts Cop In His Place After Being Unlawfully Stopped For Carrying A Gun In Maine "

http://tiny.cc/lrvlgw

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I posted it to show that we are already conditioned to call the police and this doesn't bode well. Because it implies they are right and hence 'us' wrong.
...just saying....it isn't just the TSA conditioning us to accept someone's boot.

[conk]

Here is a little tidbit I just taught my young girls, as it seems appropriate for this thread.

In an effort to be prepared for anything that may come their way, I offered this: Never go willingly with anyone, even at gun point. Scream and flee! The threatening person will likely not shoot. If he shoots, he'll likely miss. If he hits you, it will likely not be deadly. So, never ever get into a car or go with the attacker. Scream and run for your life.

[Simonm]

A knife is NOT a weapon! It is a tool (apologies here if I have missed the whole point of a joke) I teach scouts the propper use of the knife and other such tools in a survival and/or general usage and the biggest frutrating thing is the general concept that a good quality bush knife is a weapon. I try to explain to the young uns that ANY tool or implement can become a weapon, or even a pointy stick.

[Unified Serenity]

shooting techniques for optimum performance

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[13th Warrior]

Where is your red-neck ingenuity. I can tell you right now that they could take all our guns out where I live and tomorrow we would have home made weapons that would be quite effective. Maybe we just spend too much time turning junk into useful stuff. I suggest you get the book, "Poor mans james bond".

A mouse trap can be seriously deadly...

[Unified Serenity]

I don't really like revolvers much except for some of the issues a semi-auto can easily have primarily stove pipe rounds. A revolver is a dependable weapon, I just prefer semi-auto for the number of rounds it holds and ease of use for me. This video is for those who choose a large caliber revolver in understanding various techniques to properly hold the weapon.

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[13th Warrior]

A knife is NOT a weapon! It is a tool (apologies here if I have missed the whole point of a joke) I teach scouts the propper use of the knife and other such tools in a survival and/or general usage and the biggest frutrating thing is the general concept that a good quality bush knife is a weapon. I try to explain to the young uns that ANY tool or implement can become a weapon, or even a pointy stick.

Martial arts have their roots in farm tools.

[Unified Serenity]

Massad Ayoob is considered one of the foremost experts in the world in self defense and defensive tactics for civilians and police. This video is about weapons retention and it's an important point of interest for anyone who considers concealed carry or open carry. According the Ayoob, undercover police are much more likely to be disarmed due to out of sight out of mind mentality. Retention holsters are a good way to insure weapon safety. This video brings up some good points of interest:

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[Fred Steeves]

Here is a short 3 minute video on what happens when it is legal to carry a gun and the police get called.

title: "Law Student Puts Cop In His Place After Being Unlawfully Stopped For Carrying A Gun In Maine "

http://tiny.cc/lrvlgw

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I posted it to show that we are already conditioned to call the police and this doesn't bode well. Because it implies they are right and hence 'us' wrong.
...just saying....it isn't just the TSA conditioning us to accept someone's boot.

That was priceless!!! Thanks eileenrose.

Each time I take our little Johnboat out for a jaunt on the river here where we live, I'm prepared for a very similar situation. When you're out there, you are required to have the boat's registration, a whistle, a paddle, and a life vest for each person onboard.

The cops patrollig the river just love to do their cute little "Safety Checks"(LOL). When they do, the boater is required to show these items, and that's it. Safety. Duh! What they do though is use it as an excuse to search the boat, namely for alcohol, as it's a hefty fine going to the broke county.

And to boot? They know damn well they have no right to search the vessel with no suspicion of a crime, so they "ask" the people to open baitwells and coolers themselves. Everyone does, because either they don't know any better, or they are intimidated.

Sometimes I bring a gun out there, sometimes I don't. Either way it's none of his business, and I intend to respectfully, but forcefully not comply, just as the guy in the video did. It will be most interesting to observe how they react. If/when it it finally occurs, I'll share what happened here.

[Unified Serenity]

The flip side is how to disarm an attacker and you are very certain you are going to be shot. You can almost bank on the fact that you will be shot in attempting this, but if the alternative is certain death this is information that may save your life:

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[13th Warrior]

Patriot Nurse's fiance passed away this month. His name is Paul Gomez and he like patriot nurse had a preparedness bent. He also taught weapons useage and safety. I have been going through some of his videos and they are quite good. This one is about stoppages caused by various things when using a semi-automatic pistol. Anyone who does any regular shooting will encounter these problems, but if you are not in the habit of shooting, and a tense situation arises, how are you going to handle a stove pipe stoppage, or one I had recently of a failure to eject and feed so I had a live round stuck behind a shot round?

I hope this video and the ones I post as follow-up will be useful:

Wt9nQe-6vHI

Rest in peace Paul.

One of the best reasons to have a revolver(if you're not proficient with a semi-auto). There are no "stove pipes" or failure to battery.

You can take Boris the Blades advice on it also:

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[Simonm]

Being person that has learnt a martial art to a very high standard (Wing Chun). Has seen active serice in the South Atlantic and now teaches many aspects of safety in both everyday and survival situations to young kids, I know full well where most Martial Arts weapons came from. However, of course knives can be used as weapons, but first and foremost they are tools, as many other implements are that can be used in a deadly manner

I have a handmade, carbon steel Scandi Puuko, with a 6 inch razor sharp blade. First thing kids say when they see it is "offensive weapon" After several minutes explanation they realise that knives are as much a tool as say a hammer, trowel etc.

[Unified Serenity]

I agree regarding revolvers over semi-auto for those who refuse to learn the master the weapon they choose to use. Once you do get proficient, it's easy to clear your weapon and continue using it in my experience. You just have to experience it enough times and/or practice clearing stove pipes in a simulated situation.

[TargeT]

I agree regarding revolvers over semi-auto for those who refuse to learn the master the weapon they choose to use. Once you do get proficient, it's easy to clear your weapon and continue using it in my experience. You just have to experience it enough times and/or practice clearing stove pipes in a simulated situation.

we call it SPORTS in the Army :


Describe the proper procedure for applying immediate action with the M16/A2.
1. Slaps gently upward on the magazine to ensure it is fully seated, and the magazine follower is not
jammed.
2. Pulls the charging handle fully to the rear.
3. Observes for the ejection of a live round or expended cartridge. (If the weapon fails to eject a
cartridge, perform remedial action.)
4. Releases the charging handle (do not ride it forward).
5. Taps the forward assist assembly to ensure bolt closure.
6. Squeezes the trigger and tries to fire the rifle.



for a semi-auto hand gun it would be very similar

Slap mag
Pull slide to the rear,
Observe round eject (or not) inspect the chamber
Release slide
Take aim
Squeeze trigger

But I'll say this, you can be the best shot in the world at the range, if your not good in a panic situation it doesn't matter how many weekends you've spent at the range (unless your very VERY comfortable with your chosen weapon system), panic shooting is where the rubber meets the road in this situation; this is why I suggest a Pump Shotgun for primary defense weapon.

I carry every day and shoot a lot & try to encourage all my friends to do the same, after all, when the SHTF in your life, just remember that the police are only 15-45 min away ;)

[Unified Serenity]

I agree regarding revolvers over semi-auto for those who refuse to learn the master the weapon they choose to use. Once you do get proficient, it's easy to clear your weapon and continue using it in my experience. You just have to experience it enough times and/or practice clearing stove pipes in a simulated situation.

we call it SPORTS in the Army :


Describe the proper procedure for applying immediate action with the M16/A2.
1. Slaps gently upward on the magazine to ensure it is fully seated, and the magazine follower is not
jammed.
2. Pulls the charging handle fully to the rear.
3. Observes for the ejection of a live round or expended cartridge. (If the weapon fails to eject a
cartridge, perform remedial action.)
4. Releases the charging handle (do not ride it forward).
5. Taps the forward assist assembly to ensure bolt closure.
6. Squeezes the trigger and tries to fire the rifle.

for a semi-auto hand gun it would be very similar

Slap mag
Pull slide to the rear,
Observe round eject (or not) inspect the chamber
Release slide
Take aim
Squeeze trigger

But I'll say this, you can be the best shot in the world at the range, if your not good in a panic situation it doesn't matter how many weekends you've spent at the range (unless your very VERY comfortable with your chosen weapon system), panic shooting is where the rubber meets the road in this situation; this is why I suggest a Pump Shotgun for primary defense weapon.

I carry every day and shoot a lot & try to encourage all my friends to do the same, after all, when the SHTF in your life, just remember that the police are only 15-45 min away ;)

I made this thread about using pistols because you can easily move about town etc and have protection. You cannot easily move about town carrying a rifle or shotgun. This thread is not about what's the better defensive weapon, it's about pistol techniques and survival. I can guarantee you that if you are not very familiar with shooting in a non-stress situation, you will be near hopeless in a stress situation. Challenge your fears. Learn how to control your emotions by doing things that challenge you like rock climbing, scuba diving, sky diving, martial arts sparring is excellent. I studied Tae kwon do and they don't hold back at all in sparring. Most of my instructors had plates in their mouths to replace the teeth knocked out from sparring. Get into some form of physical activity that presses some stress buttons. Learn how to control your emotions so you are not led by them. Maybe I am just more naturally calm in high stress jobs and that's why the work I did with the police was not nearly as stressful for me as it was for others. I take command of a crisis situation very quickly and respond accordingly rather than knee jerk reactions. Maybe it's because I learned to scuba dive in the Red Sea surrounded by a sundry of wildlife that likes to be predator and learned how to co-exist with them. I'm a bit of an adrenaline junkie and nothing seems to excite me a whole lot. Jumping out of a plane didn't stir me. I had hoped it would so I would let go of my motorcycle bent, but alas, I still love the bikes.

We can't go putting ourselves in life and death situations to learn how to control our emotions, so the best alternative is master your equipment, so when others are losing their heads around you then you can be the calm in the middle of the storm.

[Mulder]

ummm. good luck? Wait you have crocodile dundee right? Did you know that the real Crocodile Dundee was shot & killed by gun confiscating Australian Police? Considering we're talking about self defence & confiscation, it's a synchronicity to bring him up here.

[Unified Serenity]

ummm. good luck? Wait you have crocodile dundee right? Did you know that the real Crocodile Dundee was shot & killed by gun confiscating Australian Police? Considering we're talking about self defence & confiscation, it's a synchronicity to bring him up here.

Sh*t, no I did not. This makes me ill. I love my Aussie brothers and sisters, and could not believe it when your guns were taken so easily from you. Its' a travesty. God rest Crocodile Dundee. Sad sad news indeed.

[Unified Serenity]

If you are thinking of buying a handgun watch :

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It's starts out funny, but gets serious. This is some good information:

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[buckminster fuller]

seriously, anyone in here is in the capacity to realize what gun are made for and how using them is simply loosing it... promoting weapons equals promoting violence and this is a double edged sword, this is again short view propaganda for free here on... avalon

[Unified Serenity]

Reality:

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[Unified Serenity]

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[Unified Serenity]

Reality #2 - Get involved and don't be a victim:

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The boy who was being bullied has his say:

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[Lost Soul]

Kudos to you Unified Serenity for taking the responsibility of protecting yourself. Having a gun involves a lot of responsibility like learning the safe handling of it (muzzle control, finger placement on frame and not the trigger guard), learning how to operate it as well as immediate action drills and marksmanship. You are on the right path.

For those who think guns are icky, remember that criminals prefer unarmed victims.

[Unified Serenity]

Hey Lost soul,

I appreciate your post. I have been shooting since I was about 4 years old. My father was on the navel pistol team and was the second best marksman in the Navy. He taught us how to strip a .38 special blind folded, understand that reality of what a weapon can do, and enjoy plinking aspirin off a black board at 25 yards. I have always enjoyed marksman games, have only had to shoot a living creature a few times, that being a moccasin, rattler, and bad dog (that one really upset me). I did not enjoy any of those events, and I pray I never have to shoot anything alive again, but if family, friends, or an innocent is in danger, I will do what I must to help.

I post these videos because I live in a real world, and the worse the economy gets and mobs react to other issues, the more people need to consider all their options. If you are going to own a weapon then it is your responsibility to make sure you are competent with it and do all you can to know what to do in a crisis situation. Don't buy a weapon and never practice with it. You'd really be better off not having it because there is a higher likelihood that the weapon will harm you rather than protect you or a loved one. Also, know the laws, and learn when it is appropriate to discharge your weapon. Someone yelling at me from 50 feet away with a machete in their hand is not an imminent threat and there is no reason to bring out my weapon. A criminal fleeing a scene is not a threat. You must use due caution and care for others as well as yourself. Mistakes cost lives and freedom. I hope these videos are helpful if someone is thinking about personal protection outside of the home.

Take some classes, buy a lot of ammo, and practice drawing, position shooting, and emergency situations. Practice loading and unloading, stove pipes, speed loading, or pretending your good hand is hurt. It seems like overkill, but the fact is if you have practice something 30 times it gets into your head. If you do this for a few weekends, then you can go out every other month or so and shoot a few clips. I happen to enjoy plinking and thus it's a good hobby for me.

[Lost Soul]

Unified Serenity- hitting an aspirin at 25 yards is terrific shooting worthy of the old cowboy westerns or trick shooters like Annie Oakley. Are you using a DA/SA pistol or DA/SA revolver in the DA mode?

[Unified Serenity]

That lil exercise was done years ago with a .38 double action revolver. It was not speed shooting, but accuracy my father was teaching breathing technique, finger control, and line of sight maintenance to my sister and me. Today, I shoot at nearly anything in the burn pit, LOL. I just had a discussion with my father regarding .44 / .45 / .22. He is a .45 man himself because of the fps on the ammo. I am really liking the .22 and it's a pretty darn interesting round. I still like the. .45 though, but the kick is the issue. I can put in a perfect group in seconds and control is key.