A video they won't want you to see (Galen Winsor: nuclear scare scam)

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THIS WILL BE TAKEN DOWN SOON ,

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[D-Day]

Hey scanner, thanks for posting this video.
Very, very, interesting stuff!
I highly recommend watching this video all the way to the end.
He REALLY makes his point in the last 30 minutes or so ;)

[Flash]

The video is nowhere to be seen on my iphone. Link please.

[D-Day]

The video is nowhere to be seen on my iphone. Link please.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ejCQrOTE-XA

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Here's another one ,


http://youtu.be/x42qi7Fz1L0

http://youtu.be/x42qi7Fz1L0

[ljwheat]

Something is very wrong here, coming out at this time with Japan in the news? Just like Alex Jones, coming out with information as this, that would get anyone else assassinated.

Who released this scripted preacher’s story true or false, just like a commercial on TV what are they trying to sell us and why?

Its set up just like a late night infomercial, and why now, who is this benefiting?

The AI computer that’s set up to catch key word terrorist verbiage. Would set off alarms so big this video would be down in a few minutes.

The quality of this video is like looking at an old 50’s news real. How is this guy still alive? If this is true?

Or this is a manufactured smoke screen to screw with our heads, and to what end? Great video Yes. Just like Alex Jones, if true how is he still alive? My mind is screaming at me what and why is this information being released now at this time. Incredible, amazing stuff wow, and so what’s with Japan? In light of this video? Sorry my head is just buzzing. John xxx

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He's not alive , these vids are 25 years old , but only just been aired on youtube . May be waiting for him to die before they posted it so tptb could not do anything about it . Except take them down , we'll see .

[Bo Atkinson]

Hmm, ya... In historical take overs after (and during) the gobermental collapses, there must always have been peddlers of new systems. Just as hot heads are sprinkled here and there, karmically? Today, the process must speed up to internet speed. What are they going to try most of all, to confuse discernment? What is the best derailment of natural human evolvement? I wonder.

Could it mean that alternative commentators and healers never do ground work testing? To see what ionizing radiation does? To see what each and every substance does?

Also, why not have made the vid anonymously in the first place? Why would credentials matter? Is anyone else ready to take the dip, in those pools?

[ljwheat]

He's not alive , these vids are 25 years old , but only just been aired on youtube . May be waiting for him to die before they posted it so tptb could not do anything about it . Except take them down , we'll see .

Thanks, scanner. Holly Crap, your right this won't be up for long if true. Any one make a copy for dexterity?
Or maybe a transcript to pass around?
Nice show and tell at the end. great stuff. John xxx

[Bongo]

its been on vimeo for over a year now

http://vimeo.com/25248241 from this website http://www.benwilliamslibrary.com/ in the videos section

& the title says its from 1986, must have been before Chernobyl because there is no mention of it in the video.

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its been on vimeo for over a year now

http://vimeo.com/25248241 from this website http://www.benwilliamslibrary.com/ in the videos section

& the title says its from 1986, must have been before Chernobyl because there is no mention of it in the video.Yea ,Chernobyl is the fly in the ointment , for me away .

[spiritguide]

The game is the same in each department of government with the congress leading the way for the controllers. Political science courses should be relabeled "How to lie, cheat and steal the masses through taxation". IMHO

[Bongo]

it would be good to get some kind of investigation in to this subject because if what is said by Galen Winsor is true would be groundbreaking.

I actually just watched a couple of videos last week about a 15 year old boy scout that was interested in radioactive material & created a nuclear reactor in his back garden in the 80's & he never killed himself or gave himself radiation poisoning.

here are the videos

part 1
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part 2
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[Kimberley]

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This is a mind blower... wow!! This information is blowing me away... the plutonium "waste" is worth 10 million dollars per ton...

Hey anyone that reads this thread this far I am telling you it is a must watch/listen !!!

And I downloaded a copy of this for safe keeping... I download youtube videos with keepvid.com

You know what I need to digest this...and come back to write later. wow!!

Much love to us all ! :grouphug:

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Thank you for posting this video.

[Unified Serenity]

I'm downloading the video now based on the comments. I have found youtube removing some amazing videos that were just a little to close to the truth. I vowed after I lost one really amazing one because I did not download it, that I would not do that again. This is how 1984 happens. He who controls the present writes the history.

[heyokah]

This article is interesting as well.

"The Truth About Chernobyl Is Told"
by Zbigniew Jaworowski, M.D., Ph.D., D.Sc.

The recent report of the United Nations Scientific Committee on the Effects of Atomic Radiation (UNSCEAR) is in total disagreement with the opinions widely propagated by the international media, by the Greens, and by the governments of Belarus and Ukraine, that there have been tens of thousands of cancer deaths and epidemics of genetic disorders, allegedly caused by the Chernobyl accident.
To the contrary, UNSCEAR states, even among the progeny of the survivors of the atomic attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, who received radiation doses hundreds of times higher than the radiation doses to the inhabitants of regions contaminated by the Chernobyl accident, no radiogenetic disturbances of health have been found.

Read more:
http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/articles/chernobyl.html

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The second presentation is just as damning evidence . This could be a timed release , knowing the situation of Fukishima . May be they know this guys a cook , but he's telling us what we need to hear . Investigation is needed and the key, get some background on this guy .

[Kimberley]

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I have been researching this all day...I sent an e-mail to Ben Williams who filmed the lecture http://www.benwilliamslibrary.com/ I have a lot of questions for him. If you google "Galen Winsor" you can find reference to him in many places...I am still reading...

If this is true, and I am feeling that it is true... wow wow wow!!!

here is something of interest that I found:


The Truth About Chernobyl Is Told

by Zbigniew Jaworowski, M.D., Ph.D., D.Sc.

(Full text of article from the Winter 2000-2001 issue)

The recent report of the United Nations Scientific Committee on the Effects of Atomic Radiation (UNSCEAR) is in total disagreement with the opinions widely propagated by the international media, by the Greens, and by the governments of Belarus and Ukraine, that there have been tens of thousands of cancer deaths and epidemics of genetic disorders, allegedly caused by the Chernobyl accident. To the contrary, UNSCEAR states, even among the progeny of the survivors of the atomic attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, who received radiation doses hundreds of times higher than the radiation doses to the inhabitants of regions contaminated by the Chernobyl accident, no radiogenetic disturbances of health have been found.

full article is here:

http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/articles/chernobyl.html


Much love to us all!! :grouphug:

[ThePythonicCow]

Yea ,Chernobyl is the fly in the ointment , for me away .
Perhaps Chernobyl, like Three Mile Island (as he explains) and Fukushima (as I'd suspect) were not accidents.

[meat suit]

this is compelling stuff for a number of rasons,
I just got to 1.17.00 where he talks about depleted uranium (D.U.) bullets that go straight thru battle tanks....
without any sources at hand at the moment, I understand that in Irak a lot of D.U was used by the brits in Faluja. since then 25% of babies have birth defects there.... theses defects are attributed to the radiation contamination of the D.U.

[Bongo]

found a report on chernobyl by galen winsor on http://www.sheldonemrylibrary.com/Williams1986.htm

I haven't listened to it yet thought I would post it first

scroll down the page 3rd from the bottom till you see

8618a (http://www.sheldonemrylibrary.com/8618a.mp3) Report On Chernobyl by Galen Winsor (05/11/86)

[ROMANWKT]

This video is big time, its so needed to what they are doing to all of us, the control of energy, this really has come at the right moment, the truth of total control is coming to us, more BS control is on its way, we need to share this video with all that will listen, what else are the BS ers crapping to all of us, this is really jaw dropping info.

regards
roman

[Kimberley]

found a report on chernobyl by galen winsor on http://www.sheldonemrylibrary.com/Williams1986.htm

I haven't listened to it yet thought I would post it first

scroll down the page 3rd from the bottom till you see

8618a (http://www.sheldonemrylibrary.com/8618a.mp3) Report On Chernobyl by Galen Winsor (05/11/86)

Great find Loony, thank you and welcome to Avalon! :hug:

I have to tell you all that researching this today and listening to the three interviews (found so far) With Galen is resonating so strongly true that I have been shaking my head and saying holy S**t all day. I only curse for emphasis... when I started working on the radio in 1976 I stopped using "dirty words" I had to or I would have gotten fired... FCC profanity rules...

Anyway...I have been researching the rabbit hole since the late 70's and this information is just amazing!! Galen Winsor is my hero!! I have never said I have a hero before today, however I do now.

I personally have experienced a lot of fear around nuclear energy as my whole family was about 80 miles from three mile Island plant in 1979 and I was in florida... and the year before that the move China Syndrome was released (a movie about a nuclear power pland melt down) and I now realize the movie was done to add to the fear factor to fuel fear around the Three Mile Island incident... geez...they sure got me with that one... yikes...

Ok I'll be back latter...

Much love!! :grouphug:

[Bongo]

Great find Loony, thank you and welcome to Avalon! :hug:

I have to tell you all that researching this today and listening to the three interviews (found so far) With Galen is resonating so strongly true that I have been shaking my head and saying holy S**t all day. I only curse for emphasis... when I started working on the radio in 1976 I stopped using "dirty words" I had to or I would have gotten fired... FCC profanity rules...

Anyway...I have been researching the rabbit hole since the late 70's and this information is just amazing!! Galen Winsor is my hero!! I have never said I have a hero before today, however I do now.

I personally have experienced a lot of fear around nuclear energy as my whole family was about 80 miles from three mile Island plant in 1979 and I was in florida... and the year before that the move China Syndrome was released (a movie about a nuclear power pland melt down) and I now realize the movie was done to add to the fear factor to fuel fear around the Three Mile Island incident... geez...they sure got me with that one... yikes...

Ok I'll be back latter...

Much love!! :grouphug:

he does seem believable & if what he says is true then it's certainly turned things on there head when it comes to radioactive material.

would be good if there was someone with a similar background to corroborate his story.

[ljwheat]

Getting over the initial shock and anger of the enormous scope and territory this reveals is by far the greatest uncovering of truth one can get.

Think about what was said, his team of workers handled this stuff for years and didn’t die of poisoning of any kind. The government started using this stuff quite awhile before it clicked in the heads of the elite,--- oh crap this stuff is free energy,--- you put to rocks near each other in a pot of water and it starts boiling. That simple--- and its free natural occurring in nature. If I had two rocks and could make steam, then I could build something to use the steam in and so on. And these rocks never wear out? we cant allow that to happen.

How do we keep it from getting into the public hands, I guess we better tell them how dangerous this stuff is and prove it. --- So we will drop a couple bombs on Japan and show the world how dangerous this stuff is. And so the story builds from death and destruction and TV radio BS when this stuff is harmless and free energy for all, God we have to kill this story before the real truth is found out.

Pissed god yes I’m pissed but now is the time of truth that floods our days of apocalypse the unveiling of all things will be known. Is now upon us. Nuclear energy was out of the bag to long for them to steal it, buy out the patents, shut some one up. Or kill them off. So the only alterative is make it so deadly no one will go near it.

This is what I got out of seeing this video, first drop everything you know or thought you knew. That was all a lie, then take the evidence this fellow shows you in his show and tell. Geiger won’t pick up threw glass or a human hand or behind his back. Drop the 60 years of fear porn on this and look at what he’s show us. My God what a revelation this is. John xxx

[Flash]

For those who read French, about the incredible free animal lives in Chernobyl. They are reproducing like crazy without genetic modifications. The modifications that happened were from the immediate after shock. Once the body get use to low levels of radiation, it seems to adapt. The trick would be to get use to it, not having high doses all of a sudden.



now in English


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMWt4fKVpwg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfrC4nKynqE&feature=relmfu


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fJkG6_mhgs&feature=relmfu


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr_vOjieYfc&feature=relmfu

[Referee]

Amazing Information in the video.

Now we know where the US Space Comand gets their fuel.

[Kimberley]

As I have said this is mind boggling information... and I am trying to wrap my self around it....WOW!!!!

Much love!!!

[ljwheat]

For those who read French, about the incredible free animal lives in Chernobyl. They are reproducing like crazy without genetic modifications. The modifications that happened were from the immediate after shock. Once the body get use to low levels of radiation, it seems to adapt. The trick would be to get use to it, not having high doses all of a sudden.


According to the original posted video. There is no need to get used to anything, or adapt to low or high level radiation.

OP Video is pointing out that there is no effect high or low. As long as two magnet don’t get near each other there is no reaction push or pull - he’s saying the same thing with the reaction of isotopes, they were walking around with this stuff in there pockets for years, I heard him say hands on, no shields no gloves no lead glass or walls. Until the regulatory commission was invented to cover up, safe harmless free energy source on the planet, radiation is the ruse implied and accepted with out question by the public, who have no way to check it out for them selves, and blindly believe what there told just like 9/11, pearl harbor, wayko, JFK, MLK, it’s a very long list that 99.9 percent believe what there told.

This video is the smoking gun, and the animal video’s show nothing is happening to life, even though the narrator keeps referring to the disaster of this affected area as tragic. If you shut off the sound to these nature video's and can't hear the under tow of fear, it turns into just another nature video.

OP show how insanely harmless these isotope’s are, ----he walked in with this stuff in his pockets, and contaminated the hole room right? Swimming in a nuclear cooling pool that turns cold water into hot then to steam. Tons of this stuff and swimming with it. There are no ill affects in fall out bottom line. if you didnt see this in the OP, then watch again. Spiders are not scary till your taught to fear them, snakes, vampire’s, boogie man. Get people afraid of anything and they will believe anything that will justify the fears they hold.
If people here at Avalon can’t get past this radiation fear,--- then this lie is surly safe on the outside worlds gullibility and programming ---to stay so intrenched forever.

Like waiting a half hour after eating before swimming is an old maid’s tail, but those who believe it will always believe it, because they fear drowning from doubling over with stomach cramps. it’s a fear one is told and believes, perpetuated by the masses.

When the hole world believes its flat,--- here's a guy saying its round. Selective hearing, selective seeing. Selective believing fears is all this is about. Miss watching this OP video is missing the boat completely on this topic. John xxx

[ThePythonicCow]

I just got to 1.17.00 where he talks about depleted uranium (D.U.) bullets that go straight thru battle tanks....
without any sources at hand at the moment, I understand that in Irak a lot of D.U was used by the brits in Faluja. since then 25% of babies have birth defects there.... theses defects are attributed to the radiation contamination of the D.U.
Hmm ... maybe something else is causing the birth defects?

[Flash]

Galor Winson does mention somewhere in the video that birth defects could happen if the mother is pregnant and contaminated while the release of radio activity happens. As it could occur with any other chemical I presume. I remember that more children from Ukraine had cancer as well, they were sent to Canada in summer for relief on their health. It may depend on the level of developping cells and cells membrane when the event occurs.

Good news, not much impact 20 later on bigger mammals.

I am very glad I listened to this video. I will be less panicky to get Iodine next time around.

[ThePythonicCow]

Yea ,Chernobyl is the fly in the ointment , for me away .
Perhaps Chernobyl, like Three Mile Island (as he explains) and Fukushima (as I'd suspect) were not accidents.

Well, Galon doesn't comment on whether or not Chernobyl was an accident, but he does explain it in some detail, in audio linked to from the following post:
found a report on chernobyl by galen winsor on http://www.sheldonemrylibrary.com/Williams1986.htm

I haven't listened to it yet thought I would post it first

scroll down the page 3rd from the bottom till you see

8618a (http://www.sheldonemrylibrary.com/8618a.mp3) Report On Chernobyl by Galen Winsor (05/11/86)

They had an explosive chemical fire -- uranium metal, zirconium and graphite will all burn, if hot enough, and zirconium in particular burns explosively fast (it used to be the active material in camera flash bulbs.) The Russians had all these materials in that reactor. The uranium started burning. They shut down the nuclear reaction successfully, by putting in the control rods and other measures. But after a couple of days, the fire got out of their control, and the zirconium lit off, which then generated enough heat to light up the graphite as well. Their large stock nearby pile of nuclear fissile material was scattered over most of Europe in the resulting explosion.

There is no need to use combustible uranium metal, zirconium or graphite materials in nuclear reactors anymore. The Chernobyl reactor was not initially designed and built to use all these three materials, but the Russians subsequently converted the reactor to using those materials, in an effort to increase its electric power generation.

[SKIBADABOMSKI]

Loved the videos.. answered a lot of things that I suspected a long time ago.

Living close to Fukushima and watching all the events unfold I always watched those fear mongering videos with a lot skepticism.

Listened and could feel everyones sympathetic energy of how dire my situation was. Made me feel arrogant and annoyed but something was never right. The almost promises of future deaths of all Japanese citizens and having the deaths of every child I saw playing on my mind just made me agitated but again something just wasn't right. This fear ... this panic. Fox news reporters spreading the word of doom for Japanese citizens.

Well I felt something amazing when I danced in the black rain. Something fearless ran through me. I thought I was adapting the fearless trade the Japanese are commonly known for but I guess I was just eliminating my fear with courage.

Now, thanks to this video I'm on the verge of eliminating my fear with knowledge.

Thank you so much for sharing this. Made my day.

[TargeT]

this is compelling stuff for a number of rasons,
I just got to 1.17.00 where he talks about depleted uranium (D.U.) bullets that go straight thru battle tanks....
without any sources at hand at the moment, I understand that in Irak a lot of D.U was used by the brits in Faluja. since then 25% of babies have birth defects there.... theses defects are attributed to the radiation contamination of the D.U.

unsubstantiated rumor as far as I am concerned, I was about 65 miles south of faluja for a year, drove past tank shells (burnt out destroyed tanks) every day & never heard /saw of this topic until getting back to the states.

[TargeT]

he does seem believable & if what he says is true then it's certainly turned things on there head when it comes to radioactive material.

would be good if there was someone with a similar background to corroborate his story.

There has been discussion on this topic on a thread about Japan here:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44130-Fukushima-is-falling-apart-are-you-ready&p=489417&viewfull=1#post489417

and here:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?17800-A-Coverup-California-Northwest-USA-BC-Canada-under-radiation-threat-as-high-as-Japan&p=489808&viewfull=1#post489808

This book was brought up:

Underexposed: What if radiation is actually good for you?


Why "All things are poison; nothing is poison." You may not believe the following claims now, but you will after reading this book. * Low levels of radiation don't harm us. * Our fear of tiny traces of radiation stops us from tapping a limitless source of clean energy. * We could improve our health by increasing our exposure to radiation! For one thing, it may well reduce the risk of cancer. Hiserodt reminds us of a cardinal rule of pharmacology: "the poison is in the dose." Just as arsenic and salt are deadly poisons in large enough doses but necessary nutrients in much smaller amounts, copious data have been reported for decades showing that exposure to low levels of radiation (but considerably more than people normally receive) can actually increase one's health (a stimulatory effect called hormesis). Alas, though researchers have scrupulously recorded such data, when it comes to drawing conclusions they too often ignore their findings or treat them as a fluke. This subject that "very few of us understand" may seem intimidating at first, but Ed Hiserodt is the perfect guide -- friendly, clear, knowledgeable, and not a little irreverent. Step by step, he spells out the basic physics, tours the evidence he has spent years pondering, flays flimsy claims, and opens the door to exciting possibilities. Put it this way: if you're worried about the radon in your home... don't be. You'll also learn: What the media hasn't told you about Chernobyl, Three Mile Island... and the survivors of Hiroshima. * What we could do with the radioactive "waste" that we now try to get rid of. * What gravity, sound, heat, light -- and ionizing radiation -- all have in common. * Which is most dangerous: a reactor leak... a pint of salad oil... or a handful of dirt? * How did X-rays help Professor Shrader's Guinea pigs survive the diphtheria bacillus? * Why it's impossible to steal nuclear fuel from a functioning reactor. Sorry, Mr. Terrorist.

http://www.amazon.com/Underexposed-What-Radiation-Actually-Good/dp/0930073355

[Bo Atkinson]

Re: A video they won't want you to see




he does seem believable & if what he says is true then it's certainly turned things on there head when it comes to radioactive material.

would be good if there was someone with a similar background to corroborate his story.

There has been discussion on this topic on a thread about Japan here:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44130-Fukushima-is-falling-apart-are-you-ready&p=489417&viewfull=1#post489417

and here:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?17800-A-Coverup-California-Northwest-USA-BC-Canada-under-radiation-threat-as-high-as-Japan&p=489808&viewfull=1#post489808

This book was brought up:

Underexposed: What if radiation is actually good for you?


Why "All things are poison; nothing is poison." You may not believe the following claims now, but you will after reading this book. * Low levels of radiation don't harm us. * Our fear of tiny traces of radiation stops us from tapping a limitless source of clean energy. * We could improve our health by increasing our exposure to radiation! For one thing, it may well reduce the risk of cancer. Hiserodt reminds us of a cardinal rule of pharmacology: "the poison is in the dose." Just as arsenic and salt are deadly poisons in large enough doses but necessary nutrients in much smaller amounts, copious data have been reported for decades showing that exposure to low levels of radiation (but considerably more than people normally receive) can actually increase one's health (a stimulatory effect called hormesis). Alas, though researchers have scrupulously recorded such data, when it comes to drawing conclusions they too often ignore their findings or treat them as a fluke. This subject that "very few of us understand" may seem intimidating at first, but Ed Hiserodt is the perfect guide -- friendly, clear, knowledgeable, and not a little irreverent. Step by step, he spells out the basic physics, tours the evidence he has spent years pondering, flays flimsy claims, and opens the door to exciting possibilities. Put it this way: if you're worried about the radon in your home... don't be. You'll also learn: What the media hasn't told you about Chernobyl, Three Mile Island... and the survivors of Hiroshima. * What we could do with the radioactive "waste" that we now try to get rid of. * What gravity, sound, heat, light -- and ionizing radiation -- all have in common. * Which is most dangerous: a reactor leak... a pint of salad oil... or a handful of dirt? * How did X-rays help Professor Shrader's Guinea pigs survive the diphtheria bacillus? * Why it's impossible to steal nuclear fuel from a functioning reactor. Sorry, Mr. Terrorist.

http://www.amazon.com/Underexposed-What-Radiation-Actually-Good/dp/0930073355
OK TargetT, I'm listening closer now. i appreciate hearing witness accounts..... I would just add that that all the sickness and deformities in iraq could also come from many sorts of pollution. We have tons of pollution everywhere, but depressed places like war zones get a big hit of unknown mixes of many things. Here in Maine, we are at the tail pipe of US industry, pollution wise.... Abundant health can be had with care to detoxing all exposures, despite the air and the so called acid rain.... Say nothing of the chem-trail droppings.

Despite that, If DU got into the fire arms industry, then what? Google : DU + "small arms" ....over a million hits?, i leave it to others to surmise.

But Galen has said that the 'wastes' are valuable, like commodities, possibly upsetting to the industrial investors? to law enforcement?

As a expat-US kid in Italy, i found a remote beach, with a strewn out war wreckage-- It possibly would have been 20 some years old at that point in time (since WWII)... One or more tanks, blown apart, indeed with holes blasted through very thick armor plate. It was rusty. With more experience in iron work today, the rust might have seemed younger than 20 years in age (since WWII).... Snorkeling in the water back then, revealed countless military shells of some kind. These were not rusty at all, perhaps even stainless steel?.... In shallow water, maybe target practice site??? It was not far south of a major allied air force base, Leghorn, anglo name (long ago at least) ... Also had big pieces of ancient architecture, mosaics and brick sections, strewn over a beach. In a day before dune-buggy explorers, etc... Almost surreal or mystical memories.

To a man of peace here. ~w

[spiritguide]

As Kerry from Camelot says, "The lie is different at every level". This shows many of the lies at different levels, take heed and spread the word. Lets all contaminate our property and that way even the banks won't want it. lol According to the aforementioned Chernobyl video, I would live there in a heartbeat, without fear.

[Eligos]

This information (thanks to the OP) has completely blown me away. Think how far this lie can lead us. All the cascade steps that follow after believing that radioactivity is our mortal enemy. If they can lie about this with all the best scientist on board, imagine the deception in other fields of study. OMG!!!
Guess what, this info will not go viral, no one cares or is educated enough to really get the depth of this...this is so mind blowing it's scary.

Found this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1R1ReBuvsMk

[ljwheat]

Yea ,Chernobyl is the fly in the ointment , for me away .
Perhaps Chernobyl, like Three Mile Island (as he explains) and Fukushima (as I'd suspect) were not accidents.

Well, Galon doesn't comment on whether or not Chernobyl was an accident, but he does explain it in some detail, in audio linked to from the following post:
found a report on chernobyl by galen winsor on http://www.sheldonemrylibrary.com/Williams1986.htm

I haven't listened to it yet thought I would post it first

scroll down the page 3rd from the bottom till you see

8618a (http://www.sheldonemrylibrary.com/8618a.mp3) Report On Chernobyl by Galen Winsor (05/11/86)

They had an explosive chemical fire -- uranium metal, zirconium and graphite will all burn, if hot enough, and zirconium in particular burns explosively fast (it used to be the active material in camera flash bulbs.) The Russians had all these materials in that reactor. The uranium started burning. They shut down the nuclear reaction successfully, by putting in the control rods and other measures. But after a couple of days, the fire got out of their control, and the zirconium lit off, which then generated enough heat to light up the graphite as well. Their large stock nearby pile of nuclear fissile material was scattered over most of Europe in the resulting explosion.

There is no need to use combustible uranium metal, zirconium or graphite materials in nuclear reactors anymore. The Chernobyl reactor was not initially designed and built to use all these three materials, but the Russians subsequently converted the reactor to using those materials, in an effort to increase its electric power generation.

Thank you Paul, after reading all the links, or listening to testimony on the total implications this has opened a big enough door for this information to bounce into the public arena IMO.

This only needs a little push or to day accreditation, “Say like Bill Ryan’ to look at this and way in. and maybe get Camelot in on this as well, might tip the scale just enough for it to spill over into main stream.

Stick this thread to the top of the most viewed general dissection page for a week to get maximum reviews. As the guest viewers reading this thread out weigh the members two to one since it has gone up.

This topic is bigger than ufo discloser IMO, UFO’s are nothing in comparison to this lie and blind folding with fear on this topic that our governments have laid on our world.

This would be a great feather in Bill’s hat as well as Avalon’s bringing this for wards at a time when people will listen now. 30yrs ago not so much, and with Japan getting the double whammy, this would be the liberating wait off its back. Once they get over the indicial shock and anger of the lie perpetrated on them for so long. Thanks Paul, any chance of tapping Bill on the shoulder on this One?

John xxx


IMO this is bigger than the shot from the grassy noel, that was heard around the world.:ranger:

[ljwheat]

This information (thanks to the OP) has completely blown me away. Think how far this lie can lead us. All the cascade steps that follow after believing that radioactivity is our mortal enemy. If they can lie about this with all the best scientist on board, imagine the deception in other fields of study. OMG!!!
Guess what, this info will not go viral, no one cares or is educated enough to really get the depth of this...this is so mind blowing it's scary.

Found this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1R1ReBuvsMk

1R1ReBuvsMk

In this 1985 presentation, Galen Winsor explains the real science behind radiation disposal and nuclear energy safety, and exposes the fraudulent government regulations that keep energy prices artificially high at the expense of the consumer.

[Kimberley]

**************

I am posting this article again for emphasis in other words hint hint if you did not read it yet:


The Truth About Chernobyl Is Told

by Zbigniew Jaworowski, M.D., Ph.D., D.Sc.

(Full text of article from the Winter 2000-2001 issue)

The recent report of the United Nations Scientific Committee on the Effects of Atomic Radiation (UNSCEAR) is in total disagreement with the opinions widely propagated by the international media, by the Greens, and by the governments of Belarus and Ukraine, that there have been tens of thousands of cancer deaths and epidemics of genetic disorders, allegedly caused by the Chernobyl accident. To the contrary, UNSCEAR states, even among the progeny of the survivors of the atomic attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, who received radiation doses hundreds of times higher than the radiation doses to the inhabitants of regions contaminated by the Chernobyl accident, no radiogenetic disturbances of health have been found.

full article is here:

http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/articles/chernobyl.html

[Bongo]

This information (thanks to the OP) has completely blown me away. Think how far this lie can lead us. All the cascade steps that follow after believing that radioactivity is our mortal enemy. If they can lie about this with all the best scientist on board, imagine the deception in other fields of study. OMG!!!
Guess what, this info will not go viral, no one cares or is educated enough to really get the depth of this...this is so mind blowing it's scary.

Found this: 1R1ReBuvsMk

I have just watched this video & I would say the info comes across better than in the OP video, the info is generally the same but he makes reference very near the end to Major Jordan's Diary on how the Americans gave the nuclear technology to the Russians in the 40's.

here it is if anyone is wanting to read it http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/wars/jordan/01.html

[TargeT]

OK TargetT, I'm listening closer now. i appreciate hearing witness accounts..... I would just add that that all the sickness and deformities in iraq could also come from many sorts of pollution. We have tons of pollution everywhere, but depressed places like war zones get a big hit of unknown mixes of many things. Here in Maine, we are at the tail pipe of US industry, pollution wise.... Abundant health can be had with care to detoxing all exposures, despite the air and the so called acid rain.... Say nothing of the chem-trail droppings.

Our biggest gift to the Iraq people in the area we occupied was fresh water (bottled water), we gave palets away every day (hundreds to thousands of bottles); there are NO clean sources of drinking water in the area I was in, the desert itself smells like a strongly flavored soup (not neccicarily good) and the area itself is strewn with trash and rubble, the conditions are terrible and they were like that (mostly) before we got there and did anything.

if you ask me I'd say its been purposely despoiled, maybe due to it being the "cradle of civilization"... some sort of vindictive thing?



Despite that, If DU got into the fire arms industry, then what? Google : DU + "small arms" ....over a million hits?, i leave it to others to surmise.

its a super dense metal that lights on fire when stressed... the perfect killing material for current small arms tech; how could you NOT use it?



But Galen has said that the 'wastes' are valuable, like commodities, possibly upsetting to the industrial investors? to law enforcement?


While studing LFTR technology (Liquid Flouride Thorium Reactor) I discovered that every single nuclear "power plant" is actually run as a refinery for plutonium & uranium.. power is a secondary almost "after thought", maybe a way of buying enough political capital that they can get over their own fear campaigns? reguardless "breeder" type reactors (as all current reactors in the world currently are) only have one purpose, and its yellowcake production.

LFTR could free us from energy concerns for beyond the forseeable future, and we had a functional unit in the 40's that was shut down and shelved in favor of the breeder reactors we use now (and now you know why).

[meat suit]

xNUre-B8dU4

here it takes you to the faluja stuff...

[TargeT]

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here it takes you to the faluja stuff...

having a video removed via copy-right violation isn't proof of anything IMO.

This has the feel of "global warming" to me, its an easily accepted lie because it tracks with "known truths" (haha) that are commonly held by large sections of the population; something similar was tried with Chernobyl (Chernobyl children: http://www.chernobyl-children.org.uk/).

The birth defects are an issue, to be sure, but if you listen to these people from the various organizations speak, they lean so heavily on logical fallacy (usually appeal to emotion) that its hard to believe that anyone "buys this stuff", of course until you circle back to the fact that they are leveraging a wide spread lie.

I could break down the video you posted a bit more, but I don't think its needed, watch it & ask your self HOW they determined there was in increase in deformities from the use of DU rounds, a simple interview of barely literate (no offense to the illiterate, they just happen to take record keeping less seriously....) peoples is not evidence to me of much, the rest of the fluf us just that, spiked with pictures of people who genuinely deserve to find out why thing are happening, not be pawns to another "pink ribbon" style group.


Many levels of deception indeed.

[Referee]

I have to bump this thread this info is so important. So many pieces of the puzzle come to gether when you listen to this. Much more makes sense.

Like Kimberly said I am still trying to wrap my mind around this.

:attention:

[woodshreder]

I have not posted on Avalon for months because of the total nonsense and bickering ,but this info deserves to be spread far and wide on FB ,Twitter, emails ,ect ..FYI I TRIED TO SHARE THIS INFO ON MY FB PAGE AND OF COURSE THE CONTENT IS NOT AVAILABLE TO SHARE AT THIS TIME .This whistleblower in my opinion is the most valuble source of first hand information that could change our paradigm than any source I have seen to date.... Galen Winsor is a True American hero

[meat suit]

there was also an interesting bbc horizon docu from 2007 called 'nuclear nightmares ', the only place I can find it is here : http://www.veoh.com/watch/v141864872YcCcZ2c?h1=Nuclear+Nightmares

I remember being outraged at the suggestion that radiation is not all that bad, and that there are reduced cancer rates in regions with high natural radiation...

Targe, I am here for the truth ..whatever that may be.....

[Kumonitori]

For those of you that have already listened to Dr. Caldicott's lecture, she tells it from the medical side from her personal research.

What was interesting, however, and perhaps relevant to our discussion on our thread here, was a testimony from a Japanese woman (at the end of the lecture's Q&A) that experienced the Hiroshima bombing first hand, and although having spent weeks at the epicenter, eating, drinking, sleeping on highly contaminated soil by the river covered in the "black rain" , she survived with no long-term illness other than acute radiation poisoning a few years thereafter.

Dr Helen Caldicott: The Medical Implications of Fukushima, Nuclear Power and Nuclear Proliferation
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Though Dr Helen Caldicott refers many times to the science publication recently translated from Russian to English (NY Academy of Science on Chernobyl), it is hard to say if the medical data published by the doctors in Russia, or what we see in the video documents below, are really true or fabricated in some way to keep us deceived.

However, there was a point in the documentary (2006 below) that talked about the 10 or so men that was first at the scene of the Chernobyl accident whom all died of heart failure (commonly known from strong radiation which Dr. Caldicott talks about). What's puzzling is that the same thing occurred at Fukushima where 2 men died of heart failure on site, in the first few days after the accident (though the media claim they died of heart attack from heat exhaustion being in that white space suit). Now, what needs to be questioned is, did these men really die from the effects of intense radiation, OR, are all these things nonsense if we believe what Galen Winsor is telling us.

Best Chernobyl Documentary 2006 The Battle of Chernobyl (HQ)
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Is this documentary also a scam, too ?

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[meat suit]

I think that Galen Winsor may be pushing it a lttle bit actually... he also says that lead is save... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead_poisoning

on another note, I have always wondered how the astronauts that did (or didnt) go to the moon are supposed to have survived the onslaught of radiation in their tin cans.....

those chernobyl kids have got a wide array of low level health problems, my friends get a few over every summer. its not a scam, its people who care looking after people who need it...

[Bongo]

I think that Galen Winsor may be pushing it a lttle bit actually... he also says that lead is save... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead_poisoning

on another note, I have always wondered how the astronauts that did (or didnt) go to the moon are supposed to have survived the onslaught of radiation in their tin cans.....

those chernobyl kids have got a wide array of low level health problems, my friends get a few over every summer. its not a scam, its people who care looking after people who need it...

What I took from what galen said was that lead is safe for you if you ingest it because your stomach acid can't break it down so it would just pass straight through your system.

I would imagine getting it directly contaminated in your blood would have an effect, but I'm no expert nor have I done any research on lead poisoning.

[woodshreder]

For those who claim that the health problems sustained from radiation exposure are true . (Food for thought )TpTB were covertly disinforming the general public of the hazards of radiation exposure and backing it up with vetted cases and were suppresing the truth. I would think they would be smart enough to release other compounds in conjunction with radiation to make it appear that it was radiation, in fact caused the health problems THESE PEOPLE ARE EVIL

[cloud9]

I'm almost speechless... I was listening to some radio show last where they were talking about radiation and Fukushima and how to be prepared. I have to say I avoid this subjects than seem to me pure fear mongering so I took off and decided to listen to something else but...
I was wondering how come after a year there's no news about japanese people dieing but the thousands or at least hundreds as should be expected... and any other effects of radiation on the population; by this time it should be big news everywhere so.... just the fear of radiation has survived!

BOGWulAGljI

[ljwheat]

For those who claim that the health problems sustained from radiation exposure are true . (Food for thought )TpTB were covertly disinforming the general public of the hazards of radiation exposure and backing it up with vetted cases and were suppresing the truth. I would think they would be smart enough to release other compounds in conjunction with radiation to make it appear that it was radiation, in fact caused the health problems THESE PEOPLE ARE EVIL

The good new Fukushima is safe, if anyone die’s they were kill with something else and are blaming it on radiation.

The bad news is there using this fear incident just like 9/11 taking full at vantage of 60 years of fear, that digs the heal of oppression into society just that much further. If they don’t do anything with Fukushima, it will just sit there and generate even more fear than doing something about it.

The radiation on the dials of your wristwatch is hotter than any Fukushima fall out. So all this crap we’ve believed for years is just a wind fart. Those bastards! How can we turn this back on them.? By showing this stuff to everyone that will listen, door to door if that’s what it takes.

The first thing they do before contamination is give you a shot in the arm giving you a few extra minutes of exposure time then when your out, another shot to counter what you were exposed to. Anyone test those shots or vaccines? “NO” just like the TSA you don’t question you just do as they say its classified. The only way they can call radiation harmful is to kill these workers with these cocktail shots of death, autopsy not needed don’t want to expose the doctor’s to this contamination --- so skip that. Its nuclear stay back or you’ll die Crap. How convenient hole sale murder and no ones the wiser. Here take this shot or you may die of exposure.

Just like 9/11 what happened to the real plains and people on board those randomly picked flight numbers. Where did they go, FEMA camps, what did they do with all that evidence. So if they killed them off, then vaccinating workers at these safe nuclear sites is a peace of cake. As long as they can keep the fear pills rolling out, we mean nothing to them. And if you know the truth, they will make you look like a loony toon, or have you vaccinated the new alterative to gas chambers. AS YOU POINTED OUT THESE PEOPLE ARE EVIL.

John xxx

[Bongo]

I think that Galen Winsor may be pushing it a lttle bit actually... he also says that lead is save... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead_poisoning

on another note, I have always wondered how the astronauts that did (or didnt) go to the moon are supposed to have survived the onslaught of radiation in their tin cans.....

those chernobyl kids have got a wide array of low level health problems, my friends get a few over every summer. its not a scam, its people who care looking after people who need it...

What I took from what galen said was that lead is safe for you if you ingest it because your stomach acid can't break it down so it would just pass straight through your system.

I would imagine getting it directly contaminated in your blood would have an effect, but I'm no expert nor have I done any research on lead poisoning.

I just remembered, my friend about 12 years ago got shot in the hand with a pellet gun that fired out lead pellets. anyway about a year ago he broke his wrist & when he got it x-rayed the doctor saw the pellet still in his hand. He never knew it was still there because he couldn't feel it, so that has been in his hand for about 12 years now & he's never had a problem. It is still in his hand to this day.

[TargeT]

I think that Galen Winsor may be pushing it a lttle bit actually... he also says that lead is save... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead_poisoning

on another note, I have always wondered how the astronauts that did (or didnt) go to the moon are supposed to have survived the onslaught of radiation in their tin cans.....

I never thought about the Van Allen belt and the astronauts, that would put a big hole in one of the main points of the "man never went to the moon" crowd.




those chernobyl kids have got a wide array of low level health problems, my friends get a few over every summer. its not a scam, its people who care looking after people who need it...

chernobyl is much like the middle east, that area (Ukraine and its boarding countries) live in some pretty "low standards", currently (and MUCH improved from the time of chernobyl) the life expectancy is about 10 years on average LESS than ours (68 vr 78) and we are NO WHERE near an example of healthy living, in the time of chernobyl things were much worse for these people.

I don't think its a bad thing, other than I believe it is based on a lie (chernobyl kids, and its possibly a lie that is causing a LOT of suffering to all of humanity), ends justifying the means comes to mind a bit.

Mr Winsor is speaking from a purely realistic, chem. reaction stand point, and there is much truth in Mr Winsor's statements.

[TargeT]

The good new Fukushima is safe, if anyone die’s they were kill with something else and are blaming it on radiation.

The bad news is there using this fear incident just like 9/11 taking full at vantage of 60 years of fear, that digs the heal of oppression into society just that much further. If they don’t do anything with Fukushima, it will just sit there and generate even more fear than doing something about it.

The radiation on the dials of your wristwatch is hotter than any Fukushima fall out. So all this crap we’ve believed for years is just a wind fart. Those bastards! How can we turn this back on them.? By showing this stuff to everyone that will listen, door to door if that’s what it takes.

The first thing they do before contamination is give you a shot in the arm giving you a few extra minutes of exposure time then when your out, another shot to counter what you were exposed to. Anyone test those shots or vaccines? “NO” just like the TSA you don’t question you just do as they say its classified. The only way they can call radiation harmful is to kill these workers with these cocktail shots of death, autopsy not needed don’t want to expose the doctor’s to this contamination --- so skip that. Its nuclear stay back or you’ll die Crap. How convenient hole sale murder and no ones the wiser. Here take this shot or you may die of exposure.

Just like 9/11 what happened to the real plains and people on board those randomly picked flight numbers. Where did they go, FEMA camps, what did they do with all that evidence. So if they killed them off, then vaccinating workers at these safe nuclear sites is a peace of cake. As long as they can keep the fear pills rolling out, we mean nothing to them. And if you know the truth, they will make you look like a loony toon, or have you vaccinated the new alterative to gas chambers. AS YOU POINTED OUT THESE PEOPLE ARE EVIL.

John xxx

Those heavy metals are VERY VERY useful material for many reasons, I can't imagine what alloys we have missed out on due to their extremely controlled use.

Think about the levels of fear being generated right now with Fukushima,,, and its being sold as "global" right? seems like a HUGE energy generating fear ritual for parasitic entities to feed on, much like all mass gathering events seem to be these days.... I've heard people saying its 80x worse than Chrenobyl... so they are leveraging old fears as well, makes me want to add another layer to my tinfoil hat.




This topic is bigger than ufo discloser IMO, UFO’s are nothing in comparison to this lie and blind folding with fear on this topic that our governments have laid on our world.

This would be a great feather in Bill’s hat as well as Avalon’s bringing this for wards at a time when people will listen now. 30yrs ago not so much, and with Japan getting the double whammy, this would be the liberating wait off its back. Once they get over the indicial shock and anger of the lie perpetrated on them for so long. Thanks Paul, any chance of tapping Bill on the shoulder on this One?

John xxx


IMO this is bigger than the shot from the grassy noel, that was heard around the world.:ranger:

I agree with all that is said above, completely.

[ljwheat]

This subject for some is liberating, for other’s its beyond devastating should this turn out to be real. At this point in light of all the evidence brought into play my firmly long held fear of radiation is gone completely now.

For those who have held the same fears, but who have had the means and for with, to pack up and flee to the southern hemisphere because of there fears. Are going to find swallowing this information hard to handle especially if it was the sole purpose of leaving in the first place, and wasting all that money for nothing.

Justifying the coast of the move may lock -- looking at this evidence as demoralizing and choose the route of denial. But I would think as I did the nagging underlying residue of the truth, will eat at our conscious and be back for another look at the evidence presented. I admit I was afraid and argued with those poo pooing the Fucashima thread just a few months ago. Were I defended my fears of radiation. I’m passed that now. And admit I was wrong.

I was wrong, I was totally in the dark with the rest of the world. This truth has set me free and now can make all the connections that used to baffle me to no end. My hope is that those still holding this fear of nuclear power will take another look at all this evidence. If we are not part of the cure, then we are still part of the problem. John xxx

[Arrowwind]

So I notice that Galen was involved in the design of Hanford nuclear facility, you know, that one near the Columbia river that leaked like a sieve and has required mega bucks for cleanup. Hmmm..... I dont know if I can trust this guy. If he thinks nuclear is so great lets put all the **** in his back yard, not mine, not yours.

Should I mention all the folks who died of radiation in Emmet Idaho who were downwinders of nuclear testing in Nevada? and how about all the Navajo Indians who have died from cancer because the government gave them houses built on top of uranium tailing piles.

Yep, I knew someone who was a chemist. He use to dip his hands into toxic metals... the scientists did it all the time... they are all dead now from that Hercules corporation that he worked in.... dead early from cancer.

the creation of fear of nuclear energy is well founded. He says that this fear is created to keep the power in the hands of a few.... well, just how many nuclear power plants are there now? how many nuclear bombs? how much radiation spread around in hospitals? and in how many nations around the planet? and just a few people control all this? I call BS. this lecture is a distraction from what the world is facing.

His escapades in radiation reminds me of Homer Simpson.

Yes they fabricated levels for xrays... and now chronically ill kids are dying from all of the cat scans they have received, telling moms for years that it is basically safe... that the tests are necessary. Death by the medical community via radiation. No one asks questions.... and people die. Sometimes people dont die for some years after exposure.

Regardless of how safe he thinks radiation can be, or how important it is for us to have it, there is no protection from mother nature. Earthquakes, tsunami, hurricaines and other earth changes make it so we are sitting on a time bomb for all of humanity.

I need a lot more proof than what this guy says. A lot more. I think we have idiots, people with agendas, war mongers, politiicans and fascist capitalists all mixing the pot. We will never know the truth. But those moms with deformed kids know, and those downwinders know, and every family who has a loved one who has died knows.

I think someone should make him a nice cup of cesium 137 green tea.... you know, the finest imported Japanese variety.

visit facebook page "mutation watch"

where you gonna hedge your bets for our mother earth?

[Kumonitori]

The effects of radiation externally is not so much the main concern here in Japan, (other than the workers very close to the accident site).
The major issue is internal radiation contamination, weather ingested or inhaled. From what I remember from Calldicot's talk, Cesium, Iodine, Strontium etc. are absorbed in the body as these elements are structurally similar to Potassium, Calcium and (... I forgot the other elements) into the muscle tissues, bones, fatty tissue, Thyroid glands etc. and stays lodged for a prolonged period of time. Unlike one dose shot of X-ray or a CT-scan at the hospital, with these ingested particles you are constantly bombarded by radiation 24/7 at very very close proximity. The closer you are to the radioactive source, the more you are affected. You can't get closer than having one lodged inside your body.
Calldicot also mentioned that the onset of cancer become evident only after 4 or 5 years later, which may explain why we don't hear the exploding number of cancer deaths in the Fukushima area -- although there are reports of many children now with nodule growth in their thyroid area.

Females, especially young girls are twice more prone to the effects than boys, and the younger they are, the more sensitive they are since their cells are growing very rapidly as compared to adults.
The most prone to the effects of radiation in order:
Sperm/ovum, unborn child, newly born, Toddling, Early teens, early adulthood,
And once in their mid 30's and beyond, they become less and less sensitive to the effects of these ingested radiation particles.
Once they are in their 50's and over, the chances of these people getting cancer from internal radiation become exponentially small.

The graph below is in Japanese (sorry)　show Number of cancer deaths (excluding cases of Leukemia) according to age.
http://ookomachi.blog22.fc2.com/blog-entry-494.html

I'd like to point out the incidents of (what is claimed to be) radiation poisoning. OR is this also a fabrications?

Alexander Litvinenko (from wikipedia)
In the UK, Litvinenko became a journalist for a Chechen separatist site, Chechenpress. Litvinenko wrote two books, Blowing up Russia: Terror from within and Lubyanka Criminal Group, where he accused the Russian secret services of staging Russian apartment bombings and other terrorism acts to bring Vladimir Putin to power.
On 1 November 2006, Litvinenko suddenly fell ill and was hospitalized. He died three weeks later, becoming the first confirmed victim of lethal polonium-210-induced acute radiation syndrome.[2] According to doctors, "Litvinenko's murder represents an ominous landmark: the beginning of an era of nuclear terrorism".

[D-Day]

Here's an interesting article from '21st Century Science & Technology Magazine' that seems to corroborate much of the information put forward by Galon Winsor.

The article was written in 2001 by a Dr Zbigniew Jaworowski M.D., Ph.D., D.Sc.

Here's a snippet from the article...


The recent report of the United Nations Scientific Committee on the Effects of Atomic Radiation (UNSCEAR) is in total disagreement with the opinions widely propagated by the international media, by the Greens, and by the governments of Belarus and Ukraine, that there have been tens of thousands of cancer deaths and epidemics of genetic disorders, allegedly caused by the Chernobyl accident. To the contrary, UNSCEAR states, even among the progeny of the survivors of the atomic attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, who received radiation doses hundreds of times higher than the radiation doses to the inhabitants of regions contaminated by the Chernobyl accident, no radiogenetic disturbances of health have been found.

Full article here: http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/articles/chernobyl.html

[Bo Atkinson]

I accept Galen's testimony about the high-level-crime of the profiteers in that particular industry. I learned a lot about the hands-on-science, from someone who actually worked with his hands. He put it in his mouth for proof. Challenged the system which literally tried to swat team him. Didn't back down and obviously had friends enough to survive it all. It must be an insider's war. Too many stand-up colleagues who went missing, (like in one of those sealed nuke-waste drums, dumped into oblivion)..... Yes, this has to be the biggest heist of all history.

Thanks Galen, you gave me an important piece of the puzzle. It does not trash the finished puzzle sections... It simply tears out the covered-up-heist of that nuclear section... I actually never studied that part well-- I needed real cowboy or country boy language. The nuts and bolts of workshop talk. The talk of how thing actually work. Show me how it runs. Am i ready for the 'dip'? I need more familiarization first, this is too new, but probably i would. How about you folks? Dive into plutonium waters?

Galen is not saying all pollution or all radiation is good! Actually he didn't cover the huge subject of radiation in all-manifestations or all-effects. He simply pointed to the issues of specific materials which he worked with, like mined-plutonium-handling and particular byproducts he personally worked with. He clarified just some of the critical mass needed for effects to happen..... As individuals, we would also need to study a lot more, before we master this subject.

Let me bridge this "critical-mass-aspect" over to the subject of much-more-common electricity-- Here it is said that current kills ya, not the voltage.... This type of distinction easily confounds the lazy mind. There are always inter-active dynamics, rather than just one single rule. The static electricity from the carpet experience is extremely high voltage with nil current. Welding steel is easy with 12volts, (low volts) but at very high current. We can hold 12v terminals with 2 hands, feel nothing. Try that on your tongue, heh. Better conduction through saliva, boosts the current way up to damaging levels. Such current kills or burns cells.

Electricity can bridge over to electromagnetic-radiation (EMR). Similar issues apply here. It's the intensity or the accumulation which manifests the "critical mass", (or specific health issues, etc...) Like holding that little cell phone with a tiny, tiny sized battery, just inches away from the brain-- Broadasting microwaves so close to brain involves the "inverse-square of distance law " implying, once again higher RF (radio frequency) current upon the brain--When it is so close up. Hold it a meter away from brain, the intensity is harmless-by-comparison. To say nothing of the huge heist of the RF spectrum bands. (Notable researcher and commentator here is Eric Dollard, (of Youtube fame), explaining Tesla's fate with organized crime ruining everything from venture-capital to your cell phone).

Hypersensitivity: This is one more very complicating issue which challenges statistics. Also we need to discern hidden agendas with statistics. Infecting populations with hypersensitivity might even have been a sneaky move of profiteers or pirates of today. This area can make up-standing experts of any subject take the blame. While pirates laugh at our backs. Keep society confused. Over populate them, mess up the ecology. Ruin the hopes and dreams of human evolvement.

I don't think Galen meant to discuss ecology or the smoothly running planetary prospects. He had a life to live honestly and never gave into the deception.


(PS--- As to the element lead, in a later vid here, Galen said it depended on the speed of delivery. EG: in a fired bullet, yes, it does damage a human.... But as collectors-mineral specimen, that is harmless.....)

[ljwheat]

I accept Galen's testimony about the high-level-crime of the profiteers in that particular industry. I learned a lot about the hands-on-science, from someone who actually worked with his hands. He put it in his mouth for proof. Challenged the system which literally tried to swat team him. Didn't back down and obviously had friends enough to survive it all. It must be an insider's war. Too many stand-up colleagues who went missing, (like in one of those sealed nuke-waste drums, dumped into oblivion)..... Yes, this has to be the biggest heist of all history.

Thanks Galen, you gave me an important piece of the puzzle. It does not trash the finished puzzle sections... It simply tears out the covered-up-heist of that nuclear section... I actually never studied that part well-- I needed real cowboy or country boy language. The nuts and bolts of workshop talk. The talk of how thing actually work. Show me how it runs. Am i ready for the 'dip'? I need more familiarization first, this is too new, but probably i would. How about you folks? Dive into plutonium waters?

Galen is not saying all pollution or all radiation is good! Actually he didn't cover the huge subject of radiation in all-manifestations or all-effects. He simply pointed to the issues of specific materials which he worked with, like mined-plutonium-handling and particular byproducts he personally worked with. He clarified just some of the critical mass needed for effects to happen..... As individuals, we would also need to study a lot more, before we master this subject.

Let me bridge this "critical-mass-aspect" over to the subject of much-more-common electricity-- Here it is said that current kills ya, not the voltage.... This type of distinction easily confounds the lazy mind. There are always inter-active dynamics, rather than just one single rule. The static electricity from the carpet experience is extremely high voltage with nil current. Welding steel is easy with 12volts, (low volts) but at very high current. We can hold 12v terminals with 2 hands, feel nothing. Try that on your tongue, heh. Better conduction through saliva, boosts the current way up to damaging levels. Such current kills or burns cells.

Electricity can bridge over to electromagnetic-radiation (EMR). Similar issues apply here. It's the intensity or the accumulation which manifests the "critical mass", (or specific health issues, etc...) Like holding that little cell phone with a tiny, tiny sized battery, just inches away from the brain-- Broadasting microwaves so close to brain involves the "inverse-square of distance law " implying, once again higher RF (radio frequency) current upon the brain--When it is so close up. Hold it a meter away from brain, the intensity is harmless-by-comparison. To say nothing of the huge heist of the RF spectrum bands. (Notable researcher and commentator here is Eric Dollard, (of Youtube fame), explaining Tesla's fate with organized crime ruining everything from venture-capital to your cell phone).

Hypersensitivity: This is one more very complicating issue which challenges statistics. Also we need to discern hidden agendas with statistics. Infecting populations with hypersensitivity might even have been a sneaky move of profiteers or pirates of today. This area can make up-standing experts of any subject take the blame. While pirates laugh at our backs. Keep society confused. Over populate them, mess up the ecology. Ruin the hopes and dreams of human evolvement.

I don't think Galen meant to discuss ecology or the smoothly running planetary prospects. He had a life to live honestly and never gave into the deception.


(PS--- As to the element lead, in a later vid here, Galen said it depended on the speed of delivery. EG: in a fired bullet, yes, it does damage a human.... But as collectors-mineral specimen, that is harmless.....)

Nicely put Wavydome, people want more evidence, its seems the simpler you make it, people will still believe doctor’s and scientist with a bunch of letter’s behind there names, before using triggered commonsense by imperial facts from a common coworker with 30 yrs of hands on day in day out experience, first hand knowledge, over a TV, radio, or News report spouting just the opposite bile With hidden agenda’s.

Just like the doctored NASA moon photo’s and clips, Fucashima is no different. The reason all the sea gulls that fly in and nest around this site are not dropping dead so close to ground zero and come and go as they like,-- is, sea gulls are not subjected to check points, screenings and vaccination. Pigeons and wild life are just fine, while humans are dropping like fly’s?

Animals were and are used as early warning system for hundreds of years protecting humans from all kinds of exposure to gas, chemicals, weather, even earth quakes.

You cant get closer than the nearest check point, but video zoom shows this tattle tail tidbit of evidance. They say even helicopter pilots’ cant fly over or near with out committing suicide from over exposure, and yet you see a sea gulf sitting on a steal beam. Common people there lying to us about everything and fabricating anything that doesn’t fit--- they will make it fit. And as something as simple as animals, they haven’t gotten around to it yet. After mentioning this that evidance to will start to disappear too. they have to keep this stuff under raps or it will kill them. who do you think they will kill next?

All this evidence and people are still holding the purse string’s of dangerous radio activity? “ Sigh” I guess its going to take the POPE, or the President, to present this OP and even then those who are a afraid of a spider will always be. OOOO a spider run the other way, and then justify it with fear based thinking. ‘I could die if it bites me‘. Structure less thinking whisper down the lane. Look for the simplest evidence, Good Cop, Bad Cop, it’s the simplest piece of information that exposes any lie. And how the facts fit so nicely together is the brass ring. Or silver lining.

The meek shall inherit the earth not the brainyacks that keep us from doing our home work, and copying there answer’s. John xxx

[Flash]

Here, I wanted to see if there were real effects of radiation on the body. As studies of United Nations may be "contaminated" lol, by politics and money, (not radiation) and as videos like those we have seen may be put on the web on purpose by PTB, I thought that the best way to know was going back to source.

In this case, going back to source was going back to the discoverer of radiation, polonium and radium radiation, who handled radiation bare hands all her life, namely Marie Curie.

After reading an extract of her biography, here is the end:


Après la guerre, son exemple constituera une aide précieuse dans les différentes luttes pour la cause des femmes, en particulier bien sûr dans le domaine des sciences. Elle deviendra une figure médiatique aux États-Unis, où elle fera campagne pour récolter des fonds pour la recherche scientifique avec du radium. Malheureusement, les longues heures d’expositions à des substances radioactives avant qu’on n’en connaisse vraiment la dangerosité vont conduire à détériorer sa santé. Elle développe une leucémie.
Elle se rend au sanatorium de Sancellemoz en Haute-Savoie en 1934 où elle décède le 4 juillet.
http://www.futura-sciences.com/fr/biographie/t/chimie-3/d/curie_222/


She died of a form of Leukemia, which is very rare in adults, most probably due to radiation exposure.


All of her years of working with radioactive materials took a toll on Curie's health. She was known to carry test tubes of radium around in the pocket of her lab coat. In 1934, Curie went to the Sancellemoz Sanatorium in Passy, France, to try to rest and regain her strength. She died there on July 4, 1934, of aplastic anemia, which can be caused by prolonged exposure to radiation
http://www.biography.com/people/marie-curie-9263538?page=2.


ok guys and girls, more research needed on both sides of the equation for debunking either side, in my opinion.

[NancyV]

It's a combination of many factors that determines whether or not one will die of radiation exposure. Proximity is one factor. In a nuclear explosion, such as Hiroshima and Nagasaki, those who got the initial full force of the elevated levels of radiation mostly died fairly quickly if they were near the central blast area. If they were further away but still got a lot of the elevated radiation, they probably developed symptoms of radiation poisoning fairly quickly and many, but not all, died. Some recovered.

There were several incidents of people who were very close to the epicenter, such as a man who dove into the water and when he came up his friends were gone, blown away. He was protected from the initial blast by the water and ended up surviving, without cancer. There were some Japanese submariners out testing a sub who were underwater not far offshore and when they returned to port Nagasaki was gone. They survived.

My husband just told me another story this morning when I mentioned this info on the forum to him.. which he saw when he went to the Nagasaki Atomic Bomb Museum. A woman near the epicenter in Nagasaki was gardening and happened to be kneeling down on the ground with her head and body right next to a block or stone wall. She was protected by the wall and did not die or get radiation poisoning.

He also told me about the following story:

http://holysouls.com/sar/rosarymiracle.htm

Rosary Miracle at Hiroshima - August 6th, 1945

There was a home eight blocks (about 1 kilometer) from where the A-Bomb went off in Hiroshima Japan. This home had a church attached to it which was completely destroyed, but the home survived, and so did the eight German Jesuit missionaries who prayed the rosary in that house faithfully every day. These men were missionaries to the Japanese people, they were non-military, but because Germany and Japan were allies during WWII they were permitted to live and minister within Japan during the war. Not only did they all survive with (at most) relatively minor injuries, but they all lived well past that awful day with no radiation sickness, no loss of hearing, or any other visible long term defects or maladies. Naturally, they were interviewed numerous times (Fr. Schiffer, a survivor, said over 200 times) by scientists and health care people about their remarkable experience and they say "we believe that we survived because we were living the message of Fatima. We lived and prayed the rosary daily in that home." Of course the secular scientists are speechless and incredulous at this explanation - and they are sure there is some "real" explanation - but at the same time over 55 years later the scientists are still absolutely bamboozled when it comes to finding a plausible scenario to explain the missionary's unique escape from the hellish power of that bomb.

My husband started telling me 17 years ago when we got married that my fears about radiation were ignorant and unrealistic. (well, he said it more like "were you born stupid?" or "you effing hippy/new agers are brain dead morons!") LOL... But I had bought into the typical fear brainwashing about the dangers of radiation.

He told me that he was sent to the Three Mile Island power plant one hour after the accident. At the time he was stationed about 90 miles away and parts of the military were called in right away. He was with the group who were to determine if it had anything to do with a terrorist attack.

His father, who was in the Navy, was in a plane that flew through a mushroom cloud during nuclear tests in the Bikini Atoll. He was exposed to a lot of radiation multiple times in his 25 years in the Navy and is still alive in his 80's. He is also still smoking cigarettes excessively as he has done since he was 10 years old. The dangers of cigarettes may be another manipulation and fear tactic. Neither I nor my husband smoke but my mother and father both smoked until they died, and they didn't die from cancer related to smoking.

So it looks like we have to be aware that much of the information we thought we knew is greatly exaggerated and/or outright lies. I knew many years ago that life was thriving around Chernobyl and Three Mile Island. Weren't they supposed to be toxic and uninhabitable for about 50,000 years or more?

The toxic effects of depleted uranium may also be exaggerated or misinterpreted. Depleted uranium has been used in shielding for certain tanks in addition to being used in munitions for many years. There are likely many things left behind on battlefields that could be contributing to cancer and deformed babies.

http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/dod/du_factsheet_4aug98.htm

Depleted uranium penetrators are only one of many possible hazards on the battlefield. Civilians and soldiers are strongly discouraged from recovering souvenirs from the battlefield or climbing on or around damaged equipment. For example, some Eastern Bloc equipment also contains other more highly radioactive sources such as radium dials as well as asbestos. There is also a possible problem with unexploded munitions. As stated before, DU is only mildly radioactive. Depleted uranium emits alpha and beta particles, and gamma rays. Alpha particles, the primary radiation type produced by depleted uranium, are blocked by skin, while beta particles are blocked by the boots and battle dress utility uniform (BDUs) typically worn by service members. While gamma rays are a form of highly-penetrating energy, the amount of gamma radiation emitted by depleted uranium is very low. The threat of chemical toxicity would also be minimal because there is little likelihood that sufficient quantities of DU could be inhaled or ingested to cause a heavy metal concern.

The type of exposure to radiation, whether it's ingested, touched or has penetrated into your tissues and blood, is also a determining factor in how sick you may get. So is the length of exposure. If you're around low or higher level radiation consistently for many years or decades, such as Marie Curie was, you may not be able to deal with the cumulative effect. It's sort of like using a cell phone for many hours a day year after year very close to your head may give you a brain tumor, but using headphones and keeping the phone at least 6 inches away from your body will most likely keep you safe.

Then there are the people who just don't get sick at all while others near them die, like the missionaries a few blocks away from the epicenter of the bomb dropped on Nagasaki. I think many people are realizing that they can't believe much of anything that is told to them, whether it is fear producing information or peace, love and light. I have worked hard for many years trying to suspend my beliefs. I've been wrong too many times when I believed what I read or what someone told me. I WANT to believe people and that makes it even more difficult. Much information we are told is undoubtedly deliberately false and is meant to gain some sort of advantage or control over others. Some information could just be plain human ignorance, probably a combination of both.

I enjoyed the video with Galen Winsor and I'm glad it's opened others up to the possibility that nuclear radiation is likely not as horrific as they previously thought. That doesn't mean it's completely safe, but the lies about it are huge and have been going on for decades.

[ljwheat]

Marie Curie, was also the team leader of all the expeditions lead into the mines looking for and digging up all this material that’s now in question. So what were the rest of that team doing just standing around watching her do all the work.

The fact that over a 100,000 die of cancer every year never near a facility or lab with radio isotopes, some so rear they get a new name. 50,000 of that number die of lunge cancer from smoking all there lives and a good portion of those cases were never smoker’s or around second hand smoke.

A bomb blows up somewhere in the world and three terrorist groups step up to take credit for the deed.

Taking credit for cancer because of. --- serves two camps the medical association or in this case the nuclear commotion and its agendas. Put one human in a room with six different animals of your choice body weight determines the shielding or cooking rate of the test subjects all receiving the same exposure, a bug in a glass jar, a mouse in a wire cage, a bird on his perch, a cow standing in the corner, a human dressed in hasmat suit. According to the OP video the bug in a glass jar will survive, simple show and tell if you watch the OP other wise you’ve missed a very important experiment.

Were are all the dead animals around Fucashima its killing humans who are sent there, hell the ocean next to this facility should have dead fish flooting every were letting all that radiation flow back into the sea unchecked trillions of gallons since it blew up. Birds should be falling out of the sky that area is so hot. Yet the only deaths are human worker’s dieing after exposure to vaccines while birds are nesting and hatching young. ------- Drinking from a glass that will not hold water, eventually one will die of thirst.

Imperial facts hold up truths, assumptions back up lie’s. I think it time for those who comment watch the OP in it entirety first as apparently the solid evidence has not been watched or understood. Putting up maybe’s against solid physical evidence, provable facts is certifiable denial at its finest. Nature and the OP, show and tell. ---Against probability’s ? and assumptions? If you can’t get into area 51 how can you prove anything. We assume, the area’s around Fucashima are still approachable by sea what have they found---- nothing. Zoom photography showing nature carrying on as normal, Man eats’ uranium ore on stage, swims in cooling pool with tons of isotope’s, and nature flourishes at and around Fucashima. Check points keeping investigator’s and us out. Cover up beyond belief. John xxx

[Unified Serenity]

I found the video very interesting. I remember years ago reading about how we have used "open" design of nuclear plants, but there is a closed design that would 99% of the material and thus there would be very little waste. If the waste we are dealing with to day is so hot, then isn't that proof it is still usable? I have to ask myself, who has to gain by damning nuclear energy? Who benefits if we do not use this form of energy? My natural response is those companies that make a killing on us via other energy methods. What about the millions of people who are denied energy to make their lives easier and businesses less expensive to run? Of course, I think another aspect is if Nuclear plants were used worldwide then we have the dictators and war mongers who would just want to use the by product to make nuclear weapons.

It all comes down to money for me and control. The environmental movement is a cornerstone of the NWO religion. Nuclear energy is the nasty bad juju of the world in their eyes and thus we've been programmed to believe all the stories about it. I am now wondering if Fukushima was not deliberately done so all the chem trail spraying that has been going is not thought of when the crops die and people die from various ailments they can blame it on the radiation from that disaster when in fact it's orchestrated by the ptb. They had to create a scape goat.

I found this interesting:

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[spiritguide]

Maybe the statement "Moderation in all things." explains the function of the human body to be able to adapt. Just a thought. We are exposed to many types of radiation daily and keep on going like the energizer bunny. All is energy in the act of transformation and all energy radiates. Study universal law (nature) and learn universal truths. Why is a circus a circus? Ask P.T. Barnum. Which of the three rings are you concentrated on? IMHO

[Kimberley]

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Here is another interesting view point...the whole interview is interesting and at 25:30 they talk about Nuclear energy as a clean energy.



Confessions of a Greenpeace Dropout: Ezra Levant Interviews Patrick Moore

Published on Jun 29, 2012 by LibertyInOurTime

Ezra Levant interviews Patrick Moore, co-founder of Green Peace, discussing various environmental issues and his years with the radical environmentalist movement and why he defected from it while still having a genuine concern for the environment and human progress.

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[Bo Atkinson]

I like to study contrasting commentaries..... I looked up Dr Bill Deagle, who discussed Fukushima with Jeff Rense (04/25/11). Even in the first half, The good Dr is emphasizing the exposure issue. For instance the exposure distance of a few angstroms (nano scale, a few atom's diameter in distance) is close enough for internal damage (if carried about in the blood stream). Which contrasts with Winsor's swallowing of radio active material. Deagle pointed out that the reproductive organs are most susceptible. But that high cumulative effects were expected over decades... An older person might not object to infertility. Population increases were predicted to drop. Breast cancer vulnerability is increased. Key to health is pro-active, advanced nutrition-- By contrast, the casually-nourished people on depleted foods and without supplementation, are vulnerable to radiation issues, cancers, etc... Super strains of pathogens? Get ready.
http://archive.org/details/JeffRenseAndDr.BillDeagle-FukushimaAndGlobalRadiationDangerUpdates

This all before the end of the show. This doesn't contradict the pillaging, deception and the corruption.

I've studied advanced nutrition for years and learn all the time, by observing effects of shifting my own diet. This is another huge subject, not for the light hearted.

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[Unified Serenity]

I really find it amazing that because GP came out against Monsanto that Levant is singing the praises of gm food. He is praising Bill and Melinda Gates because they want to get gm food out in the market. All these children going blind because of Vitamin A deficiency should eat golden rice that is gm to have Vitamin A in it. Is that the answer? What about just feeding them corn? What about other foods that have Vit. A in it naturally? Red flags go off for me when people push gm and the Gates foundation.

I agree that GP has gone off course, but just because they have made errors in the past does not mean gm is good. Ah well, interesting story regarding the founder of GP.

[ljwheat]

I had forgotten all about a earlier thread started by Bill Ryan http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44568-FUKUSHIMA-Gen.-Bert-Stubblebine-s-Personal-Estimate-of-the-Situation-IMPORTANT

Here I have posted both video’s side by side so that both camps are represented with equal time, at the end of each video ask your self one question: who dose this video serve and why?

UJIEZvX4PZI

1R1ReBuvsMk


Video 1. Dramatic military music sets the mood, of the drama to unfold. -----* Presents this public service announcement *--- brilliant flashes’ on screen then *FUCASHIMA*--
More flashes on screen --- MAJ. GEN. Albert N. Stubblebine 111----
PRESIDENT natural solutions foundation -- then a few malicious negative subliminal photo’s, a snake is going to threaten you and your family. thats just the opening few minutes. A well thought out plate of fear. Start to finish. IMO


Video 2. No drama, no fear injecting,--- relaxed thought out presentation of hands on facts. Galen Winsor, an expert in nuclear energy safety and radiation disposal. “Civilian “ Meat and potato's start to finish. IMO

[Flash]

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Here is another interesting view point...the whole interview is interesting and at 25:30 they talk about Nuclear energy as a clean energy.



Confessions of a Greenpeace Dropout: Ezra Levant Interviews Patrick Moore




Published on Jun 29, 2012 by LibertyInOurTime

Ezra Levant interviews Patrick Moore, co-founder of Green Peace, discussing various environmental issues and his years with the radical environmentalist movement and why he defected from it while still having a genuine concern for the environment and human progress.

aCf8AXJHu-U

Thank you very much Kimberly for that mind blowing awe stricking of all preconceived beliefs we may have on many fronts. This video should be listened from start to finish imho.

Be ready to put on the cutting board all preconceived ideas about Bill Gate foundation, Greenpeace interest or being sold out to te fossil industrty, Monsanto bad and good, yes good, creations, clean nuclear energies, etc.

I do think that everything should be discussed and reviewed, even the beliefs of conspiracionists or any kind of fundamentalism for the betterment of this planet. Even conspiration theories.

This video and Patrick Moore are tantamount for those shaking of beliefs in their core, with whaht seems to be some kind of personal honesty from Moore..

[Arrowwind]

I had forgotten all about a earlier thread started by Bill Ryan http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44568-FUKUSHIMA-Gen.-Bert-Stubblebine-s-Personal-Estimate-of-the-Situation-IMPORTANT

Here I have posted both video’s side by side so that both camps are represented with equal time, at the end of each video ask your self one question: who dose this video serve and why?

UJIEZvX4PZI

1R1ReBuvsMk


Video 1. Dramatic military music sets the mood, of the drama to unfold. -----* Presents this public service announcement *--- brilliant flashes’ on screen then *FUCASHIMA*--
More flashes on screen --- MAJ. GEN. Albert N. Stubblebine 111----
PRESIDENT natural solutions foundation -- then a few malicious negative subliminal photo’s, a snake is going to threaten you and your family. thats just the opening few minutes. A well thought out plate of fear. Start to finish. IMO


Video 2. No drama, no fear injecting,--- relaxed thought out presentation of hands on facts. Galen Winsor, an expert in nuclear energy safety and radiation disposal. “Civilian “ Meat and potato's start to finish. IMO

Yes, Galens video seems emotionally balanced.... but you ask what the agenda is... the agenda is to have local small nuclear plants spread all over the city, every city across the planet. To eliminate all nuclear fear and concerns. To allow the nuclear industry to flourish, which has taken a huge hit since Fukashima.. to continue on with the renovation or new construction of over 100 nuke plants in this nation (USA). Consider who might be making money and power control off of that. Are you ready for a small nuke plant in your back yard? Maybe even in your house? or a new mega plant just down the road from you, perhaps build on a fault line or a river that you have relied on? We cant even manage to dispose of fluorsecent lightbulbs and batteries correctly yet and certainly disposal of uranium tailings and nuclear plant waste still remains an big issue.

I will also remind you that since Fukashima happened a huge multibillion dollar nuclear processing plan tproject owned and operated by Areva from France, and funded with US government backed loans, that was scheduled to go in near Idaho Falls and to interface with Idaho National Laboratory, has fallen apart. Locals are very disappointed as Idaho Falls was scheduled to become one of the fastest growing cities in the nation starting this past spring. Now nothing.... as for me? Im not disappointed at all. I am quite pleased for the moment, as this is my back yard.

[TargeT]

Are you ready for a small nuke plant in your back yard? Maybe even in your house? or a new mega plant just down the road from you, perhaps build on a fault line or a river that you have relied on? We cant even manage to dispose of fluorsecent lightbulbs and batteries correctly yet and certainly disposal of uranium tailings and nuclear plant waste still remains an big issue.


So you didn't watch, or comprehend the video that this entire thread is based on then?

Two things,

first, fukshema happened in 2011, the OP video was filmed in '86 or so, so the correlation between the two events is a bit of a stretch, unless you have something to add that I'm not aware of.

Second the video CLEARLY states that nuclear plants should be everywhere, as they are safe, nearly free power (*when used for power, not the current use that is materials production) and if you switch to a LFTR style reactor, there are no dangers, no waste (not that the waste is even a problem, again review the original video) and no reason every house hold shouldn't have a LFTR reactor right next to their water heater.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9M__yYbsZ4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9M__yYbsZ4

I implore you to consider the original post and the video this thread is based on, the information contained with in answer all your concerns.

[Arrowwind]

Are you ready for a small nuke plant in your back yard? Maybe even in your house? or a new mega plant just down the road from you, perhaps build on a fault line or a river that you have relied on? We cant even manage to dispose of fluorsecent lightbulbs and batteries correctly yet and certainly disposal of uranium tailings and nuclear plant waste still remains an big issue.


So you didn't watch, or comprehend the video that this entire thread is based on then?

Two things,

first, fukshema happened in 2011, the OP video was filmed in '86 or so, so the correlation between the two events is a bit of a stretch, unless you have something to add that I'm not aware of.

Second the video CLEARLY states that nuclear plants should be everywhere, as they are safe, nearly free power (*when used for power, not the current use that is materials production) and if you switch to a LFTR style reactor, there are no dangers, no waste (not that the waste is even a problem, again review the original video) and no reason every house hold shouldn't have a LFTR reactor right next to their water heater.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9M__yYbsZ4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9M__yYbsZ4

I implore you to consider the original post and the video this thread is based on, the information contained with in answer all your concerns.

Please note that the video was posted to youtube post 9/11. June 9 to be specific. I watched the Galen video, not the one about Thorium, and I consider that to be another topic in my opinion. He was clearnly pushing the safety of plutonium and nuclear wastes in general, aside from their monetary value.

I did listen to the video, twice in fact. I have not jumped on this bandwagon. You go for a ride if you like. I will bide my time and wait for other scientists to come forward and confirm what he has to say with clear cut scientific studies... that I can read.. and that can be replicated by other scientists.... until that day I will maintain the position that nuclear waste is not something you want scattered all over the planet.

I am far from buying what this guy has to say... considering the mutated plant life I have found on my property this year.

Yes, I suppose people would put them next to their water heaters... If I moved into a house with one I would put it on my front lawn along with the microwave for the first taker who comes by.

[TargeT]

Yes, I suppose people would put them next to their water heaters... If I moved into a house with one I would put it on my front lawn along with the microwave for the first taker who comes by.




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I hope you don't have any dirt near your house, its most likely LITTERED with Thorium (Thorium is everywhere....)

If all opinion / idea's were the same I suppose this would be a boring place eh?

Watch the thorium vid, its 5 min & a very very very condensed version of many hour+ lectures (which I also suggest you watch if interested by the 5 min vid)

[Arrowwind]

[I hope you don't have any dirt near your house, its most likely LITTERED with Thorium (Thorium is everywhere....)

?

As I said, thorium is a different topic. Galen was defending conventional nuclear reactors and their wastes and it was his video that I was addressing.

[TargeT]

Galen was not defending nuclear reactors, he was stating that nuclear isotopes are not dangerous (when not a part of a bomb, a doctors office or in a functioning nuclear reactor) that nuclear waste is not dangerous (and he swam in a containment pool to prove the point) and if you extrapolate what he said in 1986 to 2012, he's saying that fukashema is not that big of a deal.

your right, Thorium is a slightly different topic (though not really in my mind, its a nuclear power option that's been around since the 40's) you mentioned you would toss a LFTR reactor out on the front lawn, I could make all sorts of nasty asumptions based on that comment, like you prefer destroying the environment with burnt hydrocarbons & waste etc. etc..

I think this will be one of those topics that is looked back on (historically) and people will wonder why there was ever a controversy & why we are so tied to archaic ways.

[Kimberley]

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Ok I have heard back from Ben Williams the gentleman that filmed and interviewed Galen Winsor in the video in the opening post of this thread. He gave me his phone number that I am not going to post here, and I will call him tomorrow and report back.

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Date: Thu, June 28, 2012 10:30 am
To: ben@benwilliamslibrary.com

Hi Ben,

I am a radio Journalist and your Galen Winsor video just came to my attention this morning. WOW!!

I am going to be helping to promote it as everyone needs to see this and know this.

So I am asking if I can talk with you because I have a lot of questions.

I am happy to call you and please feel free to call me if you want to.

I am so blown away at finding this information today.

Thank you!

Kimberley

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Date: July 2, 2012 2:33:50 PM EDT

Hi Kimberley,

I just read your email. Sorry I didn't get back to you right away.

You are welcome to call me (number deleted). Unfortunately, I am not the expert. Galen was. He died a few years ago. He was in his 80's ... and never suffered from "radiation sickness."

It was a great loss when Galen left us. I know of no one else with his credentials willing to stand up and tell it like it is. Many of his colleagues admited to him that he was right, but none of them would risk exposure and possible loss of their status among their controlled peers.

I'm sorry to say I have no background in chemistry or physics like Galen did, and therefore am ill equipped to make the case for the things Galen brought to light. He was a regular visitor at my home and we became good friends. I had him speak a number of times to my group. I might add that Galen was not the only one I witnessed ingesting Uranium Oxide. I saw several do it ... and I did it too. That was 25 years ago. I also had the honor of introducing him before the prestigious Arizona Breakfast Club in Phoenix.

All the details I can offer are basically on the presentation we did back in 1986 (the one you saw). The original was on VHS. It sat in my library for a long time. Then I realized that if I didn't publish that interview that all the good and courageous work Galen did would disappear and be forgotten. So I put it on my website. Lots of people have seen it now, and Galen will not be forgotten. I can send you a DVD of the presentation if you like. Just let me know.

Ben Williams

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Back at you after I talk with him..

Much Love to us all!!! :grouphug:

[gripreaper]

I decided to read this entire thread before watching the video. There are several things I’ve surmised and I’ll post them here:

1. Nuclear fission is the ultimate discovery of a process of free energy, and the ability to extract a few materials (depleted uranium) which were very important for the shadow black ops and many life affirming applications.

2. Electrical generation of power is just a cover for what nuclear reactors are really used for.

3. There might be an added ingredient in the process of nuclear fission which was inserted to create a chemical reaction to cause a false sense of radiation, when no actual radiation occurs from the pure process.

4. This is one of the biggest cover-ups of this century

5. Galen Windsor’s discoveries were released prior to Chernobyl or Three Mile Island, and those two events could have been staged false flags to keep the cover up alive, generate fear around nuclear plants, and to discredit the truth.

Needless to say, I have more questions than answers now as my head is spinning with 50 years of programming. When I was 8 years old, we used to have nuclear bomb drills in school where the sirens would go off and we had to crawl under our desks, put our heads in our lap, fold our hands over our heads, and pray to Mother Mary and Jesus, and ask for forgiveness and prepare for death.

This was all a scam? I put nothing past those evil bastards who run this planet, who understand human nature and just how to manipulate it better than anyone. This will, like others have suggested, require much corroborating evidence though in order to bust the trail wide open and purge that programming from my system, but here goes. Going to listen to the video.

We’ll see how I feel after watching it.

[Bongo]

I have not jumped on this bandwagon. You go for a ride if you like. I will bide my time and wait for other scientists to come forward and confirm what he has to say with clear cut scientific studies... that I can read.. and that can be replicated by other scientists.... until that day I will maintain the position that nuclear waste is not something you want scattered all over the planet.


I would just like to say that myself and others have not jumped on the band wagon of this as in we believe it blindly... absolutely not... but in fact that Galen Winsor has came out and said something completely contradictory to the normal believed info about radiation. So if you take that & the actual figures of deaths related to radiation from chernobyl & fukushima you see that the death toll really isnt that high which is contradictory to the fear pedaling information that gets put in the news papers where the masses expect the number to be massive. Now from the fallout, people staying in the chernobyl blast zone after the meltdown that didn't know that there actually was a meltdown were giving there kids & themselves contaminated food & water, the consumption of contaminated food & water has made the cancer rate go up in to the thousands (thyroid cancer mostly)... now take fukushima, the fallout hasn't caused a rise in cancer cases because no one or very little consumed any contaminated food or water due to residents being informed about the dangers.

Did you know that there are still 15,000 people still living within the "zone" of chernobyl, these people aren't dieing of cancer like the fear encrusted info from the newspapers & some scientists would leads us to believe.

so given the fact that there are still people living within the blast zone of chernobyl I would say that Galen Winsor has the benefit of the doubt for the time being & this subject deserves to be researched to raise our awareness of radiation & if there is truth to this its time to dispel the hold of fear that radiation has over us.

Galen says that he worked with nuclear material before their was regulations & this is how he found out about this information. Take an average nuclear scientist from after the nuclear regulations started, they would be taking the up most precautions to adhere to the guidelines because they think they would die, they quite literally would never have the same exposure to radiation that galen & others that worked before the regulations would have, and in doing so would be taking the nuclear regulations at there word & never testing them to see if these are ridiculously lower than needed. This is just an observation of how easy it would be to get people to not test this, if you test it you'll die... which is always a great deterrent.

Now the point I'm making is that with a little research of hard facts that does shine a little light on what Galen has said & even the nuclear boy scout 2 part documentary I posted on page 1 (I recommended people watch this), he's still alive & has no health defects whatsoever. This tells me that this subject absolutely needs investigating to alleviate peoples fears & reeducate people about radiation exposure.

[Kimberley]

o.

We’ll see how I feel after watching it.

I just talked with Ben Williams... I am going to do an audio interview with him on Monday July 9 and will post it after the fact. Just for starters... he told me that Galen died in his mid 80's , old age and perhaps connected to Parkinson disease....not from cancer or such.

Back at you soon!!

Much love!! :grouphug:

[sdv]

Summary of findings of a scientific study about effects of radiation from the Chernobyl accident:

http://www.who.int/ionizing_radiation/chernobyl/backgrounder/en/index.html

The greatest risk is to those who are exposed to high levels of radiation, i.e. those who put out the fire and the the army, power plant staff, local police and fire services who were initially involved in containing and cleaning up the radioactive debris.

[Kimberley]

Summary of findings of a scientific study about effects of radiation from the Chernobyl accident:

http://www.who.int/ionizing_radiation/chernobyl/backgrounder/en/index.html

The greatest risk is to those who are exposed to high levels of radiation, i.e. those who put out the fire and the the army, power plant staff, local police and fire services who were initially involved in containing and cleaning up the radioactive debris.

Good Find SDV! This is a very interesting article especially coming from from The World Health Organization (WHO)

I thought this was particularly interesting...


Thyroid cancer

A large increase in the incidence of thyroid cancer has occurred among people who were young children and adolescents at the time of the accident and lived in the most contaminated areas of Belarus, the Russian Federation and Ukraine. This was due to the high levels of radioactive iodine released from the Chernobyl reactor in the early days after the accident. Radioactive iodine was deposited in pastures eaten by cows who then concentrated it in their milk which was subsequently drunk by children. This was further exacerbated by a general iodine deficiency in the local diet causing more of the radioactive iodine to be accumulated in the thyroid. Since radioactive iodine is short lived, if people had stopped giving locally supplied contaminated milk to children for a few months following the accident, it is likely that most of the increase in radiation-induced thyroid cancer would not have resulted.

In Belarus, the Russian Federation and Ukraine nearly 5 000 cases of thyroid cancer have now been diagnosed to date among children who were aged up to 18 years at the time of the accident. While a large number of these cancers resulted from radiation following the accident, intense medical monitoring for thyroid disease among the affected population has also resulted in the detection of thyroid cancers at a sub-clinical level, and so contributed to the overall increase in thyroid cancer numbers. Fortunately, even in children with advanced tumours, treatment has been highly effective and the general prognosis for young patients is good. However, they will need to take drugs for the rest of their lives to replace the loss of thyroid function. Further, there needs to be more study to evaluate the prognosis for children, especially those with distant metastases. It is expected that the increased incidence of thyroid cancer from Chernobyl will continue for many years, although the long-term magnitude of the risk is difficult to quantify.

[Kimberley]

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FYI when I had my update conversation interview last week with George & Cynthia Kavassilas I had ahead of time sent them the opening post video in this thread asked for their opinion about it ... that part of the conversation starts at 38 minutes into the interview...

kaNOUmoE3vs

Much love! :grouphug:

[Taurean]

It seems to me that the bottom line is the amount of Taxation that the Governments of the World derive from the status quo.

Taxes, insurances, legalese, science, charities (small print) etc. are all constructed, in general, to confound Joe public so that in the end we don't really realize just how much we are being mugged for.

It is said that the reason why the debate over smoking and tobacco has dragged on so long is to give the industry time to restructure, and to slowly shift the taxation revenue from that industry, drip by drip on to another source or sources.

The taxation then goes to the "Private" Banks to pay the interest on the Government loans.

The Banks profits then get distributed to their shareholders. ( the Aristocracy )



Abundant source of info here - http://www.world-nuclear.org/education/ral.htm

[Bo Atkinson]

There is plenty i need to study yet, with head spinning yes...

So , really, i was kidding about taking a dive into reactor pools ;)

We get plenty of 'radiation' and acid rain showers up here in Maine. We have a pretty high cancer rate up here too. No need for increasing cumulative effects ;)

The main thing seems to be take pro-active steps towards advanced nutrition. Abandon the casual approach to depleted food sources. Stay alive with more comfort, to witness the amazing events of our times. At least some of us should try and stay alive and on avalon....

Even Keshe's 'new' energy systems seem to employ some kind of plasm-nano-nuke tech, although he has his own, very distinctive brand of terms, (which deserve better study than mine, so far).

I was especially interested in Keshe's 'press' like this:
"Based on the analysis of nuclear and other atomic interactions and cosmological phenomena, Keshe developed a theory that fundamental plasmatic magnetic fields entangle to form double or multi magnetic fields." From:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Keshe_Foundation

I almost wanted to join his forum which seemed welcoming. Except the question about open-source was not answered. Answered by Keshe, who's name at least appeared as a member taking public questions on his foundation's forum. So i figured there would not be answers concerning direct questions like the nuclear nature of Keshe's systems.

[witchy1]

Utterly gobsmacked!!!

[Taurean]

Should have figured it really.

They've been putting nuclear reactors in Submarines for long enough.

[Taurean]

and another thing - What does this say about the Van Allen Belt ?

[Andrew]

and another thing - What does this say about the Van Allen Belt ?

Pete Peterson mentions in the camelot video that when your in a plane your getting equivalent of an X-Ray a minute (or something like that) doesn't seem to bother anybody. Also wouldn't any radiation leaked on Earth just make its way up to the radioactive shielding we have around the planet?

[ljwheat]

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FYI when I had my update conversation interview last week with George & Cynthia Kavassilas I had ahead of time sent them the opening post video in this thread asked for their opinion about it ... that part of the conversation starts at 38 minutes into the interview...

kaNOUmoE3vs

Much love! :grouphug:

Kimberly WOW, thank you very much, I’ve finished the E-Book totally, totally,--- the time and effort, those who do not want there idea’s or programming shaken or not broken will want to continue in shooting this man down, or stay away completely, getting near this kind of radiation of the heart will decently affect your eventual out come. For all those into self empowerment and uplifting one’s self out of paradigms and programming. Then jump in its all here in his e-book and this one of many interviews with a man coming from the heart and soul of his being. Great job Kimberly you Rock Girl. Much love. John xxx

[witchy1]

This is interesting: (Flouride raises its ugly head in atom bombing)

"A captain in the medical corps addresses an April 1944 memo to Col. Stanford Warren, head of the Manhattan Project's Medical Section, expressing his concerns about atom bomb component fluoride's central nervous system (CNS) effects and asking for animal research (http://www.naturalnews.com/research.html) to be done to determine the extent of these effects: "Clinical evidence suggests that uranium hexafluoride may have a rather marked central nervous system effect ... It seems most likely that the F [code for fluoride] component rather than the T [code for uranium] is the causative factor ... Since work with these compounds is essential, it will be necessary to know in advance what mental effects may occur after exposure (http://www.naturalnews.com/exposure.html)." The following year, the Manhattan Project would begin human-based studies on fluoride's effects (Griffiths and Bryson (http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/fluoridebomb.html)).

The Manhattan Project medical team, led by the now infamous University of Rochester radiologist Col. Safford Warren, injects plutonium into patients at the University's teaching hospital (http://www.naturalnews.com/hospital.html), Strong Memorial (Burton Report (http://www.burtonreport.com/InfForensic/HumanExperPlutonium.htm))."

http://www.naturalnews.com/019189.html

Flouride & the A Bomb Program: http://www.whale.to/b/fluoride2.html

[witchy1]

THE MYTH OF PLUTONIUM TOXICITY - Bernard L. Cohen (1/3/1989)
By Bernard L. Cohen, Department of Physics, University of Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania


"It is often argued that there is a great deal we do not know about Pu toxicity. While this may be true, one would be hard-pressed to name another public health issue that is as well understood and controlled. Surely it would not be air pollution from burning coal, which is a million times more serious a problem. Surely it is not food additives or insecticides or such [the dangers from these have also been greatly exaggerated] that may well be doing real harm to our health. Pu hazards are far better understood than any of these, and the one fatality per 300 years they may someday cause is truly trivial by comparison.

In spite of the facts we have cited here, facts well known in the scientific community, the myth of Pu toxicity lingers on. The news media ignore us, and prefer to continue scaring the public at every opportunity. They don't recognize the difference between political issues on which everyone is equally entitled to an opinion, and scientific issues, which are susceptible to scientific investigation and proof. The myth may linger forever."

http://www.fortfreedom.org/p22.htm

Uranium: Continuous uranium intake from drinking water, even at relatively high exposures, was not found to have cytotoxic effects on kidneys in humans.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16731292

PS - I love Google scholar

[ljwheat]

THE MYTH OF PLUTONIUM TOXICITY - Bernard L. Cohen (1/3/1989)
By Bernard L. Cohen, Department of Physics, University of Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania


"It is often argued that there is a great deal we do not know about Pu toxicity. While this may be true, one would be hard-pressed to name another public health issue that is as well understood and controlled. Surely it would not be air pollution from burning coal, which is a million times more serious a problem. Surely it is not food additives or insecticides or such [the dangers from these have also been greatly exaggerated] that may well be doing real harm to our health. Pu hazards are far better understood than any of these, and the one fatality per 300 years they may someday cause is truly trivial by comparison.

In spite of the facts we have cited here, facts well known in the scientific community, the myth of Pu toxicity lingers on. The news media ignore us, and prefer to continue scaring the public at every opportunity. They don't recognize the difference between political issues on which everyone is equally entitled to an opinion, and scientific issues, which are susceptible to scientific investigation and proof. The myth may linger forever."

http://www.fortfreedom.org/p22.htm

Uranium: Continuous uranium intake from drinking water, even at relatively high exposures, was not found to have cytotoxic effects on kidneys in humans.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16731292

PS - I love Google scholar

Witchy1,

WOW, Great find, Many smoking guns, So the “GREASTEST” Toxic element on this planet is not something picked up or dug up out of the ground.

But is firmly imbedded in the public arena the most TOXIC of all is “ Main Stream Media” the cancer of humanity the unfettered Mouth. “Slight of mouth” is deadlier than the slight of hand, and out lasting the course of time. Book burnings and rewriting of history or a simple bi line, builds or destroys life as we know it.

Controlling the written word is the villain behind the mask never seen. The circus of words that roll into town on the wings of new found hope from the lips of the politician, destruction and poverty left in his wake.

All of humanity has been “SCAMMED” and we continue to pay for the devises that deliver it to our homes and our lives, Mass media controlling the mass mind of the planet, with Walter Cronkite, Dan Rather, and how to feel and look good with corporate consumerism and fashion.

Touching on the weakest part of the EGO “I WANT” I Need, I want more. External information is killing humanity as it looks right past its scammer with out noticing its even their. We’ve made the scammer our best friend, “I” phone. “I” pad. “I” TV. “I” can’t live with out it. And we wear it like a coat of armor and defent it with every dollar we spend. The heroin of humanity is outside of your heart information. External information is all scammed out, no stone has been left unturned. Galen Winsor has only shown us a short peak into how fare this deception has reached. Believe nothing, question everything - is good. John xxx :hail: Galen Winsor:chess:

[David Hughes]

I recall watching a documentary about radiation exposure on the BBC back in 2006 and being pretty amazed by the conclusions that they arrived at. I can’t find the documentary anywhere on youtube or google video’s but did find it here:

http://www.veoh.com/watch/v141864872YcCcZ2c?h1=Nuclear+Nightmares

It’s 50 minutes long and well worth watching, but for those of you short on time I’ll summarize its content.


"In the 1920’s and 30’s, devices were sold that increased our exposure to radiation. One popular device was called a Radon Emanater which added radiation to drinking water. Radiation was in vogue. The word ‘Radium’ symbolized quality, today's equivalent of gold or platinum. ‘Radium Condoms’ , ‘Radium Cigarettes’ and ‘Radium Shoe Polish’ were examples of popular brands.

Scientists working with radiation began to suspect that it may have carcinogenic effects and this was confirmed after America dropped the first atomic bomb on Hiroshima in 1945. Around 200,000 people died almost immediately in the initial blast. Thousands more survived but they had been exposed to higher levels of radiation than anyone ever had before. What happened these people? Was there a subsequent epidemic of cancers?

People within various zones of exposure were studied. Those up to 1000 meters away from ground zero, where the bomb hit, would have received an estimated 2000mSv (millisieverts (mSv) - the standard measure of radiation dose). 2000mSv is the equivalent dose of 20,000 chest X-Ray’s. 5000 meters out from ground zero the dose lowers to 5mSv (50 chest X-Rays).

In 1958, using data largely drawn from Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the first study quantifying the relationship between radiation dose and cancer was published. The "Linear No-Threshold" (LNT) dose model that was formulated from the studies has been used ever since. It concludes that the higher the dose, the higher the risk of cancer. Exposure of up to 2000mSv increased the risk of cancer by about 10%. At 500mSv, the increased risk is about 3%. Nobody knew what was going on at doses lower than 200mSv. Scientists made the assumption that the trend continued all the way down to zero – ie zero exposure, zero increased risk. Or put another way, all radiation is dangerous and to be feared.

Any nuclear accidents were pounced on by the media and fear spread. In 1979 came Americas worst nuclear accident on 3 Mile Island, shaking their confidence in nuclear power, although there was no significant release of radiation. Then came Chernobyl and public fear escalated to an all time high. This was the second major radiation exposure event that scientists had the opportunity to study. Predicted deaths were based on the LNT model, even though most people received doses towards the unreliable bottom end of the graph.

200,000 workers were drafted to help clean up the mess in Chernobyl. They were exposed to about 500mSv. According to the LNT model, projected deaths were calculated to be around 2,200. Further out around the reactor, about 400,000 people got an average exposure dose of 25 mSv, predicting another 1,800 deaths. Further away in Kiev where about 5 million people live, the dose drops down to about 10mSv, another 5000 deaths, predicting a total of around 9,000 deaths according to the LNT dose model.

As of 2 decades later the reality was very different. In 2005 a report conducted by The Chernobyl Forum was released (made up of 9 UN organizations and the Belarus, Russian, and Ukrainian governments). Of the 200,000 workers exposed to the highest doses, there was a total of 47 deaths. Among the small dose exposure group, the forum have only found 1 group where cancers have significantly increased due to radiation exposure– childhood thyroid cancer. 9 children have died from this. That is it according to the Chernobyl Forum. A total of 56 deaths which can be directly attributed to radiation exposure. There may be more but there are so few that they are statistically undetectable. 56 deaths is less than the amount of people who die on Britain's roads every week. These numbers are hundreds of times lower than those predicted by the LNT model. Could it be that radiation is not as dangerous as we think?

Background radiation is everywhere on the planet, the average dose being 2.5 mSv / year. There are many places on Earth where the natural background radiation is tens or even hundreds of times higher than in the Chernobyl exclusion zone, yet no radiation attributed increase in cancers can be found. Data suggests the opposite may be the case.

Studies have been performed on cells taken from animals exposed to radiation in the Chernobyl region. They show that genes thought to have a strong role in cancer prevention have been switched on in animals exposed to the radiation. The studies suggest that low level radiation may be beneficial or harmless at the very least.

Radiophobia rather than radiation exposure may provide the biggest threat to our health."

[SKIBADABOMSKI]

Thanks Dave great post.. and nice find.

I'm off to buy some land in Fukushima...

[Taurean]

Make of all that what you will. I would personally be of the opinion that even 1 death directly attributed to nuclear radiation is too much but the info does put a lot of the fear porn we see and read about radiation from the media in perspective.

How many people have died for "Oil" - Millions

How many people have died in the production of "Coal" - Hundreds of Thousands"

How many people have died in the production of Nuclear Energy - Not many ( excluding False Flag sabotage )

[David Hughes]

To your list I would add........

How many have died in the pursuit of Free Energy Technology?

Technology that would render ALL fossil fuel, nuclear, and alternative forms of energy like solar and wind obsolete.

[Taurean]

To your list I would add:

How many have died in the pursuit of Free Energy Technology?

Technology that would render ALL fossil fuel, nuclear and alternative forms of energy like solar and wind obsolete.

Well, yes, quite.

But then in terms of per Watts generated the ratio would put Free Energy as the most lethal. ( at the moment)

[Taurean]

In the light of all the foregoing this article makes for quite an amusing read ;-

Chernobyl's radioactive trees and the forest fire risk

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-18721292

such effort to ramp up the fear, maybe with the Colarado fires in mind.

[ljwheat]

Make of all that what you will. I would personally be of the opinion that even 1 death directly attributed to nuclear radiation is too much but the info does put a lot of the fear porn we see and read about radiation from the media in perspective.

How many people have died for "Oil" - Millions

How many people have died in the production of "Coal" - Hundreds of Thousands"

How many people have died in the production of Nuclear Energy - Not many ( excluding False Flag sabotage )

Is this not exactly what Avalon Forum was conceived and so many like minded investigative,--- no nonsense,--- free thinking people assembled in one place.--- All about?

Now if we only had someone with the skill and the track record to take this body of evidence and breath new life into this deception that began so long ago, and present it to the masses. This to me sounds and feels like the scoop of the century. Or the biggest cover up of all time.

[vortexpoint]

Please allow me to present some contradicting info for those interested. I want to share a piece of work by multi-talented genius Walter Russell (1871-1963).

Everything in nature, from atoms to planets, according to Russell is born by concentrating energy (first part of the life-death cycle) and then slowly dying by radiating the energy (the second part of the cycle). In short radiation for Russell is nature's death principle. Radioactivity is multiplied death.

Here's a good video that explains it in nutshell:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEuYmgXDD3k

Also here's Russell's book Atomic Suicide? for those interested in researching Russell's work further.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/85626193/Atomic-Suicide-Walter-and-Lao-Russell

[Bo Atkinson]

Please allow me to present some contradicting info for those interested. I want to share a piece of work by multi-talented genius Walter Russell (1871-1963). ......

Thank you vortexpoint, for the missing constants of our searching-equation. What is life for and how can we get that "Je ne sais quoi"? I've noticed many fine links in your vid. The web makes Russellian studies very accessible today. An excellent study area if we have our fill of rabbit hole speculation already.

(Thanks to your timely post), I got to realize that Russel offers a form of "push gravity" which fits my own particular research. Fits it as a unifying field explanation of matter-energy-space-time-life-thought..... Googling "Walter Russell" / images reveals the perfect starting point for me. Excellent visualization before CAD rendering and 3D geometry made visualization easier.

Toiling (mining nukes) for war lords and for parasites suppresses serene evolvement. Modern demands wreak the planet. Regardless whether by coal or nukes through any over-indulgent-abusiveness. To feed illusory growth paradigms, based on blinded self demise. Mutually assured demise, is M.A.D. all the same.

[Hervé]

I just got to 1.17.00 where he talks about depleted uranium (D.U.) bullets that go straight thru battle tanks....
without any sources at hand at the moment, I understand that in Irak a lot of D.U was used by the brits in Faluja. since then 25% of babies have birth defects there.... theses defects are attributed to the radiation contamination of the D.U.
Hmm ... maybe something else is causing the birth defects?

Took me a while to bite... but there I go: there are three main possibilities or avenues, beside vaccines, for these "other things":

1) Chemtrails:


Thanks Siberia9.

I wish there was an easy way to trace where the cesium134/137 is coming from...

Here is the reported content of chemtrails as another source of contamination:

From: Stop Spraying California! (http://stopsprayingcalifornia.com/Radio_Active_Cesium.php)

Toxic Chemicals & Metals in Chemtrails Aluminum Oxide Particles (http://stopsprayingcalifornia.com/Aluminum_Oxide_Particles.php) Arsenic (http://stopsprayingcalifornia.com/Arsenic.php) Bacilli and Molds (http://stopsprayingcalifornia.com/Bacilli_and_Molds.php) Barium Salts (http://stopsprayingcalifornia.com/Barium_Salts.php) Barium Titanates (http://stopsprayingcalifornia.com/Barium_Titanates.php) Cadmium (http://stopsprayingcalifornia.com/Cadmium.php) Calcium (http://stopsprayingcalifornia.com/Calcium.php) Chromium (http://stopsprayingcalifornia.com/Chromium.php) Desiccated Human Red Blood Cells (http://stopsprayingcalifornia.com/Desiccated_Human_Red_Blood_Cells.php) Ethylene Dibromide (http://stopsprayingcalifornia.com/Ethylene_Dibromide.php) Enterobacter Cloacal (http://stopsprayingcalifornia.com/Enterobacter_Cloacal.php) Enterobacteriaceae (http://stopsprayingcalifornia.com/Enterobacteriaceae.php) Human White Blood Cells-A (http://stopsprayingcalifornia.com/Human_White_Blood_Cells-A.php) Lead (http://stopsprayingcalifornia.com/Lead.php) Lithium Salts and Chemtrails (http://stopsprayingcalifornia.com/Lithium_Salts_and_Chemtrails.php) Mercury (http://stopsprayingcalifornia.com/Mercury.php) Methyl Aluminum (http://stopsprayingcalifornia.com/Methyl_Aluminum.php) Mold Spores (http://stopsprayingcalifornia.com/Mold_Spores.php) Mycoplasma (http://stopsprayingcalifornia.com/Mycoplasma.php) Nano-Aluminum-Coated Fiberglass (http://stopsprayingcalifornia.com/Nano-Aluminum-Coated_Fiberglass.php) Nitrogen Trifluoride (http://stopsprayingcalifornia.com/Nitrogen_Trifluoride.php) Nickel (http://stopsprayingcalifornia.com/Nickel.php) Polymer Fibers (http://stopsprayingcalifornia.com/Polymer_Fibers.php) Pseudomonas Aeruginosa (http://stopsprayingcalifornia.com/Pseudomonas_Aeruginosa.php) Pseudomonas Florescens (http://stopsprayingcalifornia.com/Pseudomonas_Florescens.php) Radio Active Cesium (http://stopsprayingcalifornia.com/Radio_Active_Cesium.php) Radio Active Thorium (http://stopsprayingcalifornia.com/Radio_Active_Thorium.php) Selenium (http://stopsprayingcalifornia.com/Selenium.php) Serratia Marcscens (http://stopsprayingcalifornia.com/Serratia_Marcscens.php) Sharp Titanium Shards (http://stopsprayingcalifornia.com/Sharp_Titanium_Shards.php) Silver (http://stopsprayingcalifornia.com/Silver.php) Streptomyces (http://stopsprayingcalifornia.com/Streptomyces.php) Stronthium (http://stopsprayingcalifornia.com/Stronthium.php) Sub-Micron Particles (http://stopsprayingcalifornia.com/Sub-Micron_Particles.php) Sulfer Dioxide (http://stopsprayingcalifornia.com/Sulfer_Dioxide.php) Unidentified Bacteria (http://stopsprayingcalifornia.com/Unidentified_Bacteria.php) Uranium (http://stopsprayingcalifornia.com/Uranium.php) Yellow Fungal Mycotoxins (http://stopsprayingcalifornia.com/Yellow_Fungal_Mycotoxins.php)

2) the drinks generously offered to the population:




Case 22A-B-C-D Hot Sodas Courtesy of Those... ? (http://avalonlibrary.net/Sue_Arrigo/)


In 1937, a chemist in immunology studies, Walther Goebel, at Rockefeller University reports on the urine analysis of dogs fed benzoic acid;

“When benzoic acid is ingested by dogs, it is excreted in the urine
partly in the form of hippuric acid and partly as a benzoyl ester
of glucuronic acid. The detoxication of aromatic [=benzene related] organic acids by conjugation with glucuronic acid is one of the important physiological mechanisms of man and certain animals.” http://www.jbc.org/cgi/reprint/122/3/649.pdf (http://www.jbc.org/cgi/reprint/122/3/649.pdf)

Clearly, this Rockefeller scientist believes that benzoic acid is toxic and has to be detoxified by the animal.

In 1943, another scientist at Rockefeller University writes a report on p-amino benzoic acid (PABA), citing that in very low doses it prevents sulfa antibiotics from working. At the time, sulfa drugs were the only antibiotics other than penicillin which was not yet in use. The scientist states that it has been shown to prevent sulfa drugs from inhibiting the growth of a strain of Clostridia. Yes, this is the same PABA chemical that was put in sunscreens.

[...]

Clearly, the utility of doing that study during the war was to figure out how to prevent the treatment of gas gangrene due to war wounds.

“one molecule of p-aminobenzoic acid antagonized 23,000 molecules of sulfanilamide” www.jem.org/cgi/reprint/78/4/255.pdf (http://www.jem.org/cgi/reprint/78/4/255.pdf)

[...]

When I thought about the US troop’s sodas sitting in the sun, I wondered what the petrochemicals turned into in the heat. I figured that the writer of that CIA internal memo might know. The writer, on investigation, turned out to be a microbiologist at the US Army’s Chemical and Biological Warfare Labs at Fort Detrick Maryland. I called him up and told him that I would like to meet with him over a cup of coffee. He agreed and we set a time and place.

[...]

In response to my questions he admitted that the water being used in Iraq was to his knowledge not the problem. He said that he wrote the memo because benzoic acid was being added to the sodas and was the “petrochemical derivative” that was of concern. He said that it was a very useful chemical to fed populations in war zones because its heat caused metabolites which increased their risk of dying from wounds and dysentery. I asked him, if that is the case, then why was it being used in sodas given the troops. He looked at me that I was dense or naive. He said, “It is there to decrease VA hospital bills.” I said, “But that is absurd.” He said, “No, think about it. If a soldier is healthy, not much happens when he drinks the sodas. But if he gets seriously wounded then he is likely to get a wound infection. Then he will die from it and not be a long term burden on the VA with an amputated leg, say.”

[...]

... You can go into an area where people are dying from dysentery and give them sodas and look like a hero. You know what the standard treatment for dysentery is now? Sodas. People consider them “safe” to drink beverages because they are sterile. Orange based sodas have the potassium in them that is needed to help replace the electrolytes. All you change is whether you heat them first as to whether you supply them to harm or help. It was truly a brilliant idea. We are really changing how we do things at the Lab. The people in the hot climates are overpopulating the world--now we can combat that effortlessly. People with AIDS in Africa, India, etc. just need a little help over the edge. We are giving them that help.”

[...]

What that “Final Solution” researcher had told me was that in the heat the Benzoate/Benzoic Acid turned into not just benzene but PABA (para-amino benzoic acid). There is some amino acids in the beverages, at least in ones with plant extracts in them. He said furthermore, some of it turns into PABA inside the human body where there are lots of amino acids and moderate heat as well. He said that the bacteria just need trace amounts of it to grow like a rocket. I said, I did not see how bacteria could grow on a crude oil slick. He said, “They can’t. But many of them grow better than ever before, when small amounts of oil is added to a lake. He said, look at all those contaminated lakes up near Detroit; people just changed their car oil and let the oil seep into the ground, or just a few drops of oil from their outboard motors got into the water. Bingo, the water is full of nasty bacteria.” He continued, “That is why the water is not drinkable in the US anymore, because it takes so little pollution by oil to make the bacteria take it over. I played skeptical and asked him to send me a paper on it. He did. I read it in some detail.

The paper was about a small town in Africa during an epidemic of cholera. Some inhabitants were given the pre-heated sodas and some were not. The town’s people were not told that they were being studied for how well they could be killed off! Both putting the benzoate in the sodas and the study were unethical in my opinion. The town folk believed that the researcher and his staff were there to help them. The mortality was 40% higher in the group given the heat treated sodas. This was not a town with a particularly high AIDS rate. Less than 10% of the people were HIV positive. The study had tested people for HIV. Those who had AIDS and cholera had a high incidence of death, about 80%, if they drank the heat treated sodas. Their mortality if they came down with cholera was high anyway, about 50%. Those with just cholera and regular sodas had less than a 2% death rate.

From Sue Arrigo's case 22B (http://avalonlibrary.net/Sue_Arrigo/).


Innocuous sunscreens and cosmetics to interact with laced vaccines and water from the "poisonned wells"... and there is the loaded gun held at the head of the female of the species of "useless eaters."

3) Psychosomatics stemming from an unconscious long memory of the human species being triggered into manifestation in a similar way that "stigmata" occur on someone having managed to convinced his/her unconscious that s/he has been crucified... those of you who have been following the "Dreamtime Healing" or "Horus-Ra" threads might have a better inkling at grasping that one since then, as is now, the main goal of these controllers is depopulation and the sterilization of the female of the human species:

“Depopulation should be the highest priority of US foreign policy towards the Third World….”. Henry Kissinger National Security Memorandum (NSSM 200) early 1970’s

[Unified Serenity]

This is a really good article amer zo. Thank you for sharing it. I need to re-read it again to truly absorb the details. It's worth understanding this stuff.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

Now, my question is since we absorb the sunscreen is it affecting our bodies in fighting off disease by the PABA in our system? I don't use sunscreens at all, but it's pushed all summer, and of course no caring parent would send their child out without it, right? Or, that's the peer pressure we are under.

[Hervé]

[...]

Now, my question is since we absorb the sunscreen is it affecting our bodies in fighting off disease by the PABA in our system? I don't use sunscreens at all, but it's pushed all summer, and of course no caring parent would send their child out without it, right? Or, that's the peer pressure we are under.

That's what it's intentionally designed for to do as it interacts with vaccines to turn their content into virulent reactions.

Check this thread where I first posted it: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?13393-Top-Model-says-sun-lotion-is-poison&p=270710&viewfull=1#post270710

[Hervé]

As for the overpumped up scare of Fukushima radiations being all over the place:


From http://educate-yourself.org/lte/radiationRADmonitortrip08jul12.shtml:


Fukushima Hoax: Reader Wears Radiation Badge During Vacation Trip from Florida-Seattle-Juneau, Alaska With No Indication of Abnormal Background Radiation Levels



July 8, 2012



Subject: Radiation North West
From: Greg
Date: Sun, July 8, 2012
To: Ken Adaci


: Hi Ken,

I am a big fan of your site. I've read with interest your articles disputing the radiation scare on the western USA coast from Fukushima. I offer some anecdotal evidence to support your claim that radiation on the western US is exaggerated. I just returned from a 10 day vacation/cruise from Seattle to Juneau Alaska. I carried a small radiation sticker with me the whole time and there was no indication I encountered high levels of radiation. The sticker did not change color from the time I left Florida until my return. The website for the detector I used is


: http://jplabs.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/RADSticker-manual.pdf


Thought you might want this background information. Thank you for the information you provide at your site.


Greg


***


Hi Greg,

Thanks for your report. The RAD badge you wore is a sensible and inexpensive way to determine if you are being exposed to levels of radiation that could be injurious to your health. The radiation monitors used by the federal, state and local governments, along with universities and nuclear plant facilities can detect much smaller changes than the RAD badge for any type of ionizing radiation source and NONE of them have reported background radiation readings - before, during, and AFTER 3/11- that are in any way worrisome or even HINT at the possibility of an elevated long term health risk. Anyone with a brain can look at the radiation monitoring data, freely available on the internet, to prove to themselves that the Fukushima radiation scare campaign is a contrived hoax from top to bottom.


I only wish that more people would stop accepting the egregious distortions and wholesale fabrications being promoted by the internet Fukushima Radiation Psyops Team (http://educate-yourself.org/lte/japanradiationpropagandatsunami02may12.shtml) and start checking the FACTS on their own to see that there is NO radiation increase.


Best Regards, Ken

[ThePythonicCow]

Check this thread where I first posted it: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?13393-Top-Model-says-sun-lotion-is-poison&p=270710&viewfull=1#post270710
Amzer Zo - you have been patiently and repeatedly, for over a year now, referring to the evidence at http://www.libertycalling.com/sue_arrigo-treason.htm (site gone non-existent, archived here: (http://avalonlibrary.net/Sue_Arrigo/)

Thank-you.

I just started reading it now, being 2/3's of the way through the first 17 cases.

This stuff makes the leaks of Julian Assange or the experiences of David E. Martin (See Kerry Cassidy: The Group That 'BOUGHT' the US Presidency..! (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?47171-Kerry-Cassidy-The-Group-That-BOUGHT-the-US-Presidency..-) look like almost modest in comparison.

Good gawd ... can it really be this messed up?

[Hervé]

This stuff makes the leaks of Julian Assange or the experiences of David E. Martin (See Kerry Cassidy: The Group That 'BOUGHT' the US Presidency..! (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?47171-Kerry-Cassidy-The-Group-That-BOUGHT-the-US-Presidency..-) look like almost modest in comparison.

Good gawd ... can it really be this messed up?

Welcome :)

Well, when a CIA plane full of white stuff crashes and when no one follows suit because it involves Clinton and the Bushes...

When you put her data together with the like of John Coleman "Commitee of 300," J. Perkins "Confessions of an Economic Hitman;" Svali, Taylor testimonies; Springmeier and Bill Cooper works; adding to the mix the kind of "gods" they worship as in Houman's "Horus-Ra" thread and yes, under all apparency, it is that messed up.

[TargeT]

This stuff makes the leaks of Julian Assange or the experiences of David E. Martin (See Kerry Cassidy: The Group That 'BOUGHT' the US Presidency..! (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?47171-Kerry-Cassidy-The-Group-That-BOUGHT-the-US-Presidency..-) look like almost modest in comparison.

Good gawd ... can it really be this messed up?

Welcome :)

Well, when a CIA plane full of white stuff crashes and when no one follows suit because it involves Clinton and the Bushes...

When you put her data together with the like of John Coleman "Commitee of 300," J. Perkins "Confessions of an Economic Hitman;" Svali, Taylor testimonies; Springmeier and Bill Cooper works; adding to the mix the kind of "gods" they worship as in Houman's "Horus-Ra" thread and yes, under all apparency, it is that messed up.

Sounds like the kind of theory "connect the dots" that people pay a lot of money for (in book form), have anything more conclusive than that thought or are those just connections that are in your head ATM?

[Hervé]

This stuff makes the leaks of Julian Assange or the experiences of David E. Martin (See Kerry Cassidy: The Group That 'BOUGHT' the US Presidency..! (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?47171-Kerry-Cassidy-The-Group-That-BOUGHT-the-US-Presidency..-) look like almost modest in comparison.

Good gawd ... can it really be this messed up?

Welcome :)

Well, when a CIA plane full of white stuff crashes and when no one follows suit because it involves Clinton and the Bushes...

When you put her data together with the like of John Coleman "Commitee of 300," J. Perkins "Confessions of an Economic Hitman;" Svali, Taylor testimonies; Springmeier and Bill Cooper works; adding to the mix the kind of "gods" they worship as in Houman's "Horus-Ra" thread and yes, under all apparency, it is that messed up.

Sounds like the kind of theory "connect the dots" that people pay a lot of money for (in book form), have anything more conclusive than that thought or are those just connections that are in your head ATM?
Well, in order for you to draw your own conclusion... you would have to do the reading... :)

[TargeT]

Well, in order for you to draw your own conclusion... you would have to do the reading... :)

I'll aggregate, condense & summarize for you if you aggregate, condense and summarize for me ;)

I can't even load that case 1-17 web page.. I do most my reading at work (government network..... highly restricted ) which is limiting (excuses excuses).

[Kimberley]

********************

Ok I recorded the interview with Ben Williams yesterday and it is now posted in the archives for your listening pleasure...

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/belovenow/2012/07/10/livinginthenowben-williams-about-nuclear-power-scam


Ben sent me a NUCLEAR RADIATION EXPOSURE COMPARISON CHART that Ben and Galen put together.. I have attached this in a jpg version.



ok the pdf is attached too so you can see this chart..just click on the pdf attachment link below the graphic..

EDIT

I posted a corrected chart on page 8 of this thread 7-15-2012

Any way Much love!! :grouphug:

[ThePythonicCow]

I can't even load that case 1-17 web page.. I do most my reading at work (government network..... highly restricted ) which is limiting (excuses excuses).
I have just downloaded from mediafire.com all the .pdf and .doc files from http://www.libertycalling.com/sue_arrigo-treason.htm, and uploaded them to my server, with a re-worked opening page that refers to these copies. There is also a bit torrent there, for convenient downloading of the entire set. This is the first time I've created a bittorrent, so let me know if I can improve that somehow.


See http://pauljackson.us/sue_arrigo/

[TargeT]

I can't even load that case 1-17 web page.. I do most my reading at work (government network..... highly restricted ) which is limiting (excuses excuses).
I have just downloaded from mediafire.com all the .pdf and .doc files from http://www.libertycalling.com/sue_arrigo-treason.htm, and uploaded them to my server, with a re-worked opening page that refers to these copies. There is also a bit torrent there, for convenient downloading of the entire set. This is the first time I've created a bittorrent, so let me know if I can improve that somehow.


See http://pauljackson.us/sue_arrigo/

Thanks, I'm reading it now.. those bolded words a lone should have set my monitor on fire ( p2p or Peer to Peer is one of the BIGGEST "no no's" around here),,, haha; but the PDF is working great ;)

[sigma6]

Well I've said it before, and I'll say it again
You get nothing for nothing: expect it when
You're backseat driving, and your hands ain't on the wheel - Judas Priest - Heading Out To The Highway...

I have this phrase that I would really love people to lock into... it will open your eyes and simplify the equation... it's really a variant of "follow the money" but it is much more meaningful imo...

look to see where how they "CONTROL OF DISTRIBUTION OF..." [fill in the blank here]

and you will see the hand of the elites, and you will see exactly how they do it... usually with vast complex 'institutions' along side the physically vast complex infrastructures, all designed to raise the wall to any future competition and maintain the monopoly of control and it applies to everything,
whether it is money (banking system), information (university system), legal power (court system) manpower (corporations which is a pyramid!) etc, etc...

And in the case of energy we are using gas, oil, coal, and nuclear with giant generating stations, and even oil refineries, all because they raise the wall of any future competition, and maintain the monopoly on the "CONTROL OF DISTRIBUTION OF..." energy output...

"CONTROL OF DISTRIBUTION... " is the name of the game

This also simply explains why everyone isn't driving around in a vehicle that runs on H2O and similar sources that could be created at home, and free us from the "CONTROL OF DISTRIBUTION..." schema

[Arrowwind]

and another thing - What does this say about the Van Allen Belt ?

Pete Peterson mentions in the camelot video that when your in a plane your getting equivalent of an X-Ray a minute (or something like that) doesn't seem to bother anybody. Also wouldn't any radiation leaked on Earth just make its way up to the radioactive shielding we have around the planet?

These explainations of receiving equivilent radiation from the environment to some nuclear radiation exposures just doesnt hold water. The real issue is radioactive particles entering your body and lodging there and causing disease. This is not going to happen to radiation exposure on an airplane.

I live practically next door to one of the worlds largest nuclear research centers. Ive been going to painting sessions with a woman who's husband works there. He is a facility manager at Idaho National Laboratores. We started talking about the nuclear issue and I mentions Galen to her. She was not familiar with him but she started to talk about how excited her husband was to be working at INL. He says that the advances in the nuclear industy is spectacular and they have greatly greatly reduced waste product and the dangers associated with nuclear plants. Although he is not a nuclear physisist he knows them as he has to interface with them daily and needs to understand their work and needs to manage the facility correctly. She made it sound that the changes going on are huge... but how come we dont know about it?

I realized as she was talking that if what she said was true there is a huge knowlege deficit amonsgst the public sector... including those who live around INL. So I asked her if her husband would be open to me interviewing him for an article on advances in nuclear processing and development. I will likley know next week.

I thought it interesting that she had no awareness of small nuclear plants for towns or building complexes. She said she had never heard her husband mention it that such devices could be on the drawing table somewhere.

I'll see what I can find out.

[Arrowwind]

As for the overpumped up scare of Fukushima radiations being all over the place:


From http://educate-yourself.org/lte/radiationRADmonitortrip08jul12.shtml:


Fukushima Hoax: Reader Wears Radiation Badge During Vacation Trip from Florida-Seattle-Juneau, Alaska With No Indication of Abnormal Background Radiation Levels



July 8, 2012



Subject: Radiation North West
From: Greg
Date: Sun, July 8, 2012
To: Ken Adaci


: Hi Ken,


I am a big fan of your site. I've read with interest your articles disputing the radiation scare on the western USA coast from Fukushima. I offer some anecdotal evidence to support your claim that radiation on the western US is exaggerated. I just returned from a 10 day vacation/cruise from Seattle to Juneau Alaska. I carried a small radiation sticker with me the whole time and there was no indication I encountered high levels of radiation. The sticker did not change color from the time I left Florida until my return. The website for the detector I used is


: http://jplabs.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/RADSticker-manual.pdf


Thought you might want this background information. Thank you for the information you provide at your site.


Greg


***


Hi Greg,


Thanks for your report. The RAD badge you wore is a sensible and inexpensive way to determine if you are being exposed to levels of radiation that could be injurious to your health. The radiation monitors used by the federal, state and local governments, along with universities and nuclear plant facilities can detect much smaller changes than the RAD badge for any type of ionizing radiation source and NONE of them have reported background radiation readings - before, during, and AFTER 3/11- that are in any way worrisome or even HINT at the possibility of an elevated long term health risk. Anyone with a brain can look at the radiation monitoring data, freely available on the internet, to prove to themselves that the Fukushima radiation scare campaign is a contrived hoax from top to bottom.


I only wish that more people would stop accepting the egregious distortions and wholesale fabrications being promoted by the internet Fukushima Radiation Psyops Team (http://educate-yourself.org/lte/japanradiationpropagandatsunami02may12.shtml) and start checking the FACTS on their own to see that there is NO radiation increase.



Best Regards, Ken


The only problem with this is what are individuals to think when after Fukashima happens they shut down radiation monitoring sites in Canada and other parts of the continent? When Japan lies to their people? Who to trust?

There has been a call out for more radiation monitoring yet it has not happened except by the public and university sector. This does not call out confidence in the public. And on top of it all within days after Fukashima, they choose to raise the bar for radiation exposure. And on top of all of this no US government official even goes over there to look things over for a full year! Everything they do seems to be directied to make fear and instill a lack of confidence from those experts and government agencies that we think are suppose to be watching out for us.

[SKIBADABOMSKI]

and another thing - What does this say about the Van Allen Belt ?

Pete Peterson mentions in the camelot video that when your in a plane your getting equivalent of an X-Ray a minute (or something like that) doesn't seem to bother anybody. Also wouldn't any radiation leaked on Earth just make its way up to the radioactive shielding we have around the planet?

These explainations of receiving equivilent radiation from the environment to some nuclear radiation exposures just doesnt hold water. The real issue is radioactive particles entering your body and lodging there and causing disease. This is not going to happen to radiation exposure on an airplane.

I live practically next door to one of the worlds largest nuclear research centers. Ive been going to painting sessions with a woman who's husband works there. He is a facility manager at Idaho National Laboratores. We started talking about the nuclear issue and I mentions Galen to her. She was not familiar with him but she started to talk about how excited her husband was to be working at INL. He says that the advances in the nuclear industy is spectacular and they have greatly greatly reduced waste product and the dangers associated with nuclear plants. Although he is not a nuclear physisist he knows them as he has to interface with them daily and needs to understand their work and needs to manage the facility correctly. She made it sound that the changes going on are huge... but how come we dont know about it?

I realized as she was talking that if what she said was true there is a huge knowlege deficit amonsgst the public sector... including those who live around INL. So I asked her if her husband would be open to me interviewing him for an article on advances in nuclear processing and development. I will likley know next week.

I thought it interesting that she had no awareness of small nuclear plants for towns or building complexes. She said she had never heard her husband mention it that such devices could be on the drawing table somewhere.

I'll see what I can find out.




Now thats more like it.. good luck with the interview.

[Hervé]

[...]
I carried a small radiation sticker with me the whole time and there was no indication I encountered high levels of radiation. The sticker did not change color from the time I left Florida until my return. The website for the detector I used is


: http://jplabs.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/RADSticker-manual.pdf


Thought you might want this background information. Thank you for the information you provide at your site.


Greg


[...]


NONE of them have reported background radiation readings - before, during, and AFTER 3/11- that are in any way worrisome or even HINT at the possibility of an elevated long term health risk.


[...]


Best Regards, Ken

The only problem with this is what are individuals to think when...

[...]


...or how to dismiss important valuable data.

[ljwheat]

********************

Ok I recorded the interview with Ben Williams yesterday and it is now posted in the archives for your listening pleasure...

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/belovenow/2012/07/10/livinginthenowben-williams-about-nuclear-power-scam


Ben sent me a NUCLEAR RADIATION EXPOSURE COMPARISON CHART that Ben and Galen put together.. I have attached this in a jpg version.



ok the pdf is attached too so you can see this chart..just click on the pdf attachment link below the graphic..

Any way Much love!! :grouphug:



********** Kimberly ********** :grouphug:

Your interview with Ben Williams, much thanks, Ben has connected many dots, just as all of us have, the comparison of a bombed out city ('NO' -- Two city's) much more devastating than Chernobyl-- but yet has never had a dead zone's declared ? --lives today--- as testimony to Chernobyl’s dead zone lie.--- Just one example in plain sight to anyone with out fear baggage still installed.

So Fucashima is safer than walking into a local Mc Donald’s and ordering chicken mc nuggets for lunch. Fear of fear “its self” nuclear boggy man is a grown up fear.

How liberating this has been for me, I feel a great wait has been lifted. Thanks Kimberly for all your work in refining and looking further into this nuclear scam. John xxx :tape2:

[Hervé]

Another view on what level of radioactivity is defined as "being safe":



[...]

It is not shouted from the rooftops, it is simply here in this thread, on a 'not at the top interest level' forum. A forum that the odd person of the intellect required, may, perchance.....stumble across.

My life is about coincidences. timelines. Events, in time.

Today, I sat in the door of a big chain store, with my new 1000w gas powered generator that I was buying at half price. I wanted a wee one, as in most cases, I have no need to drag out the big one, if the power goes out. Little is fine, perfect in fact. If I need water pressure, hot water and the like, I would bring the big one out. I can surf the net, light the house, use the stereo and watch TV if I have to, on the little one, and have very low gasoline consumption.

I was sitting in the mentioned exit area( a few chairs where there) with my shopping cart and the generator in it. I was there as a big storm had started up.

Who came up beside me and I struck up a conversation with? No-one but the person who was connected to the Nuclear regulatory commission at the federal level and was the one who did the direct testing for the area I am in, with regard to radioactivity. They had been doing it for the past 20 years. they were doing it for Chernobyl, as well. I had told him that I understood that the fallout was worst in the leading edge of the given storm, which is why I did not want to go out there. The real deal was That I did not want to get the generator wet, it was a no-box 50% of retail/full price thing.

I got a full low down on and at a coast to coast federal government testing and monitoring level of the radiation from Fukushima and it's comparison to Chernobyl. We discussed government truth, and the internet truth, and how the two compared.

I'll speak on that a bit later, but for now I have to go and do a few things. A preview (according to this conversation!) is that it is not as bad as the internet is making it out to be and the government is fibbing, in a mild sense. The truth is somewhere in the middle.


Ok. the truth is that his person did not say all that much, and I wasn't going to be probing him. It was a casual conversation and it had to stay that way. Remember, this in casual conversion. It is not my opinion, to the larger extent, but data is difficult to come by. I'm looking at buying one of these and then playing with it. Most of what I say here is extrapolation of what he says.

http://www.soeks.eu/


his main point was that the radiation was not all that bad. the deal is that radiation is set to be very very low, regarding exposure levels that are allowable.basically zero tolerance on radiation exposure, on the ground. This is due to the point that radiation is something that governments want to control. so the levels are set low, regarding exposure. In the same way that even a little bit of murder is not considered to be OK, a little bit of exposure to radiation is not OK. Not in the sense of both being ridiculous allowances. What I mean is that no level of murder is OK, according to law and society. If you allowed for a little bit of murder to be OK, then this wold be license for idiots to kill everyone all the time. Excesses would be the norm. Human nature.

As a psychological comparative, if a bit of radiation was deemed OK, then radiation exposure would likely end up being all over the map. As people, corporations, companies, etc, would all take that to excess, according to their desires. And when radiation is everywhere regarding variation in allowable levels..... you can't control nuclear materials very well, can you? So the allowable exposure levels were set to be exceedingly low.


Along comes Chernobyl and sets everyone's readings off on these Geiger counters. Then we get this Fukushima thing happening.

And yes, Fukushima is reading higher than Chernobyl did, and that is not 'new' news. No revelation there.

Now, granted the exposure levels are high, in the unwanted sense, but not much can be done, regarding the fact that it is out there and cannot be stopped. At least regarding what is already out there.

Granted they should be doing more than they are in stopping the radiation spreading. Our concern is also the very reason that it has gotten out there - was it accidental, this disaster...or not?

He said if you took Geiger counters onto aircraft on long fights, you'd likely get some eye opening numbers come up. As an example, on a 10 hour flight as a comparative...you'd have to stand next to the local reactor at the local college (they have one for research) for a minimum of 80 hours, in order to get the same level of radiation exposure. He said that particular reactor room is so clean, it is practically lower than the background level in normal life.

Regarding spread, he said that when Chernobyl hit, the radiation showed up initially (first readings), in North America, in 48 hours. This means that the radiation was going up VERY high into the atmosphere. If you look at the flow directions, you find the radiation had to circle the globe---- in order to do that.

I asked where he thought the best honest reporting was coming from, as we could not count on governments to tell the truth (regarding safe exposure, see above) and we could count on the internet to be overly paranoid, so what was, according to his knowledge base and experience, the best place to go for honest and knowledgeable reporting?

He paused and thought about it..and he said that some website coming out of Australia seemed to have the inside track and inside information. That they were doing a good job.

Essentially, according to this casual conversation with someone in that position, there is some website in Australia that is doing it best. Perhaps you folks know what that site is.

Are you worried about the rain? I asked. The rain had slowed quite a bit. He laughed, said no..... and ran out into the rain.....

Then it moved to being a bit stranger yet.

A few minutes later....A man and his son sat down. The son was escorting the elderly man around. The man was about 80-85 or so. They weren't about to go out into the rain, he was too old for the chances it would be taking with his health, so they had to wait it out.

It just happened to be a man who was a military man in is earlier years..and he was in charge of the observation and reporting/control for all nuclear research facilities in the country that I am in, for the 1950's-60's.

Our conversation centered around the fact that he took a lot of flights in his work, and the idea of accumulated risk in air flight. And parachuting.

Ie the odds are the same each time you get into the plane or strap on the parachute..but there is a little unrealized factor of 'accumulated risk'. The idea of flipping coins continually and sooner or later, you get heads. The only way to avoid this, is to never get in the plane again. He spoke on how his wife finally relaxed when they sold their small plane, and the accumulated risk was over for them as scenarios go.

However, this goes back to the idea of radiation exposure, for it is the same in many ways, as the idea of accumulated risk. Higher exposure to radiation brings about the factors of constantly flipping coins until you finally DO hit heads. In the case of radiation, we are all now flipping coins at some rate of some sort. Accumulating risk, is what it is. And this action will be going on for quite some time yet.


An important and interesting thought:

By the way, some aspects of aetheric gateway change or over-unity devices DO use radiation in them. T. E. Moray used americium in his over-unity devices. Ionizing radiation, high in the earth's atmosphere, ionizing, working in a charged oscillating polarized atmospheric space. This may degrade humankind's ideas and expectations on ascension (or dimensional opening), this so-called blocking field that surrounds the globe, or it may open it. Like it does for over-unity devices that utilize radiation.

edit, August 24th,2011: A recent interview of Kerry's with DutchSinse of internet fame has shown some interesting connections with the ideas behind project blue beam's particle dispersion requirements... and radioactive decay.

[TargeT]

The real issue is radioactive particles entering your body and lodging there and causing disease. This is not going to happen to radiation exposure on an airplane.


Radiation is really nothing more than the emission of energy waves through space, as well as through physical objects. Usually these energy waves are electromagnetic radiation which are classified into


Radio waves
Infrared waves
Visible light
Ultraviolet waves
X-ray
Gamma rays and
Cosmic rayshttp://news.thomasnet.com/green_clean/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Spectrum_Small.png

there are NO "particles entering your body and lodging there" - this just does not happen.
Nuclear radiation CAN damage cells in concentrated levels, just like anything else really (TOXCICITY IS ALL ABOUT QUANTITY: NOT SUBSTANCE)

http://www.alternate-energy-sources.com/nuclear-radiation.html



I live practically next door to one of the worlds largest nuclear research centers. Ive been going to painting sessions with a woman who's husband works there. He is a facility manager at Idaho National Laboratores. We started talking about the nuclear issue and I mentions Galen to her. She was not familiar with him but she started to talk about how excited her husband was to be working at INL. He says that the advances in the nuclear industy is spectacular and they have greatly greatly reduced waste product and the dangers associated with nuclear plants. Although he is not a nuclear physisist he knows them as he has to interface with them daily and needs to understand their work and needs to manage the facility correctly. She made it sound that the changes going on are huge... but how come we dont know about it?

I realized as she was talking that if what she said was true there is a huge knowlege deficit amonsgst the public sector... including those who live around INL. So I asked her if her husband would be open to me interviewing him for an article on advances in nuclear processing and development. I will likley know next week.

I thought it interesting that she had no awareness of small nuclear plants for towns or building complexes. She said she had never heard her husband mention it that such devices could be on the drawing table somewhere.

I'll see what I can find out.








The only problem with this is what are individuals to think when after Fukashima happens they shut down radiation monitoring sites in Canada and other parts of the continent? When Japan lies to their people? Who to trust?

There has been a call out for more radiation monitoring yet it has not happened except by the public and university sector. This does not call out confidence in the public. And on top of it all within days after Fukashima, they choose to raise the bar for radiation exposure. And on top of all of this no US government official even goes over there to look things over for a full year! Everything they do seems to be directied to make fear and instill a lack of confidence from those experts and government agencies that we think are suppose to be watching out for us.

I know an IT guy (former co worker) that runs the sensor sites for NOAA, some have radiation detection equipment (along the coast and a few inland) and all of them are still functional with no increased levels of radiation:

BUT EVEN IF THERE WERE INCREASED LEVELS it's perfectly safe, you can "expose" yourself to radioactive isotopes with no worry given it is not in a concentrated and/or directed form
(read: doctors offices, directed X-Ray devices, Chemotheropy, or active nuclear reactions (like when a bomb goes off, or inside the reactor chamber of a nuclear reactor) etc..)

that is the whole point of this thread.

[Bo Atkinson]

I agree with Aeschylus. How much suffering is needed still needs consideration though. More than linear charts, there are the specific frequencies which have specific effects on specific elements, compounds and biological structures. Besides the specific intensities and wave forms and phased arrays, (as in interference patterns). That is for non-ionizing radiation-- It can still burn in specific concentrations. Body parts can each tolerate a certain amount of exposure. Microwaves in cell phones may or may not cook little parts of the brain. The kitchen radar range could cook a whole brain nicely, i'm sure. In Italy they sold cow brains in the open air markets.I never wanted to taste it though.

Atom smashing as it was once called, provides another kind of radiation. It breaks down or fuses atoms structures into unstable atom forms which miss a sub atomic part or a few (as byproducts). The nuclear ones are said to have half-lifes implying they are broken for specific lengths of time, according which half-life it is. Radio active in the sense that it can rob and steal sub atomic particles from or foist some surplus radiation on to neighboring atoms... Pray these 'neighboring' atoms are not part of our body, in a sensitive organ....

No need to suffer that bad on a well run planet.

Besides we still have the surrounding issues of scorch and burn ravaging of a planet. No need to burn a lovely planet like ours with massive ravaging of forests... Perhaps worse yet coal mining and tar sands.... Yet the condolers of our planet insist on keeping us dumb as a post in the ground. Pounding us down and down. This is the heist. Keep us way down and burn up mother earth, ravage here.... Why? I'm persuaded they fear her like Kavassilas explained in his new book. OUR UNIVERSAL JOURNEY

[Ceedub]

Gratitude to all who have posted on this thread, it's been a real eye opener for me. In my search for Truth I have adopted a modus operandi of identifying and breaking down those axiomatic concepts that we all accept as true without question and which form the foundation of all of the other theories we use to understand the reality in which we live. With the programing we are all subjected to it is surprisingly difficult even to identify them. The first clue is usually the source of the information. This nuclear issue at hand is a good example, everything I ever learned about radiation was from government/institutional sources of one sort or another... until I read this thread that is. This subject is a paradigm example of an axiomatic meme accepted with little true knowledge or questioning. I'm kicking myself I didn't spot it earlier but these things are all but invisible, until they are not.

Much Gratitude, CW

[Hervé]

[...]
Took me a while to bite... but there I go: there are three main possibilities or avenues, beside vaccines, for these "other things":

On that subject, "strange" things are starting to pop-up:


Chicken vaccines combine to create deadly virus

Friday, 13 July 2012 Michael Vincent
ABC

http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/201207/r972236_10554904.jpg (http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/201207/r972236_10554928.jpg)
The vaccines that were meant to protect the chickens instead led to their deaths (Source: nardong/stock.xchng)

Lethal mix:

Australian scientists have found that two different vaccines used to control an infectious disease in chickens can recombine to create new lethal virus strains.


The research, to be published today in the journal Science (http://dx.doi.org/10.1126/science.1217134), has prompted authorities to review vaccine use in animals.

But the scientists, from the University of Melbourne (http://www.unimelb.edu.au/), say the findings are not only important for vaccines in chickens, but also for any vaccine which might be able to multiply - including those used in humans.

Chicken respiratory virus ILT can lead to birds dying in a pool of bloody mucus, but vaccines that were meant to protect them have instead led to their deaths.

Dr Joanne Devlin, a lecturer in Veterinary Public Health-Epidemiology at the Asia-Pacific Centre for Animal Health, says the deaths were caused when two vaccines used to treat the virus combined.

"These new strains were formed by recombination from the different vaccine strains and that they were actually more virulent than the vaccine strains that gave rise to them," she says.

"This is something we've never before seen before in the field."

Full article: http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2012/07/13/3545318.htm


This is some confirmation of the strategy exposed here:



One of he culprit: PABA

[...]

This next piece of text shows that PAB pathway, as opposed to Aro pathway mutants have been made by scientists. They also require PABA to grow. In addition, it is pointed out that it is possible to take two mutants both which look attenuated and thus safe to use for a vaccine, yet when both bacteria are present together they are able to make PABA. That is important to know because two companies making vaccines even for different pathogens could pick different locations in the pathway to target. Then if both live germs met up someplace in the world there could be a sudden outbreak of one or both of the diseases. It might look innocent and each company might claim ignorance that such a thing could happen. But in fact, that possibility is inherent in this piece of text . And any scientist who thought about it for a couple of minutes would immediately see that danger in producing such live vaccines.

Let me try to explain this problem more clearly. Suppose you have two factories that make the same guns. And suppose that you shut down the first one by not allowing them to make triggers and the second one by not allowing them to make barrels for the guns. If they work together they can share triggers and barrels they can still make guns just fine.

[...]

[Belle]

Gratitude to all who have posted on this thread, it's been a real eye opener for me. In my search for Truth I have adopted a modus operandi of identifying and breaking down those axiomatic concepts that we all accept as true without question and which form the foundation of all of the other theories we use to understand the reality in which we live. With the programing we are all subjected to it is surprisingly difficult even to identify them. The first clue is usually the source of the information. This nuclear issue at hand is a good example, everything I ever learned about radiation was from government/institutional sources of one sort or another... until I read this thread that is. This subject is a paradigm example of an axiomatic meme accepted with little true knowledge or questioning. I'm kicking myself I didn't spot it earlier but these things are all but invisible, until they are not.

Much Gratitude, CW

Clicking a thank you was not enough for this post.

Everything we ever learned about everything was from someone else controlling the information. Who runs the schools, the research, the release of information?

Yet how many keep perpetuating the information they learned or 'found' without questioning...believing it to be true because it came from some authority figure.

[Forevernyt]

It begins to make you question EVERYTHING. Who's to say the planets are the way we've been told they are? How do we know for sure that there's no life on Mars, Venus, Jupiter or Saturn? How do we know you can't travel faster than light? It just begins to open up a whole Pandora's Box of questions. How much of what we are taught/told is truth? How many lies to keep us under control?

[ljwheat]

It begins to make you question EVERYTHING. Who's to say the planets are the way we've been told they are? How do we know for sure that there's no life on Mars, Venus, Jupiter or Saturn? How do we know you can't travel faster than light? It just begins to open up a whole Pandora's Box of questions. How much of what we are taught/told is truth? How much lies to keep us under control?

I agree totally with this, there has been no stone left unturned in our force feed knowledge base it seems. that’s not the problem, the problem is getting the herd out of the pasture or blind canyon they’ve been standing in for so long. As everything in that canyon has been brought in to fit that carrel of existence as we know it. Thinking outside the box, when the box you want to think outside of was brought in to this dead end canyon we’ve been lead into from birth. So how do you think outside the box that’s not your box to begin with? This is all that you were ever shown. The box’s lined up fore you, one by one. This is what we birthed into. Box’s they’ve built.

Cattle walking up a plank into a truck to market, or up a shiny ramp into ET ships ? I don’t see the difference. We’ve been a commodity since birth, soon they will be coming for there herd. How many will wake up in time or continue to march in a straight line as we’ve been taught since birth?

Like showing a cave man a shiny new door, if he’s never shown that it opens. 200 years later it will still be shut and never opened. All the planets are inhabited, but the shut door to this was never opened in our schools in fact they were painted over with a thick layer of invisible paint of knowledge, who’s Knowledge? What or who’s box did that gem come out of.

This thread only exposes one small pebble that we’ve been able to turn back over to see its true color. We have a big task ahead of us at this time, this is a great start if we can keep it going for enough to see, we do need help, but this is a move in the right direction, tell everyone you know about this give them the link to this thread lets move it up a notch or two. John

[Ceedub]

Cattle walking up a plank into a truck to market, or up a shiny ramp into ET ships ? I don’t see the difference. We’ve been a commodity since birth, soon they will be coming for there herd. How many will wake up in time or continue to march in a straight line as we’ve been taught since birth?


I imagine the rare cow in the herd pleading with the others, "You think this fence is explained by scientists... it's some coincidence the grass just happens to be greener?! 'Walk toward the trucks', that's what the divine biped told you??!! Wake the mooo up!".

CW

[Belle]

Some of us were born mutants...the ones who question everything and just have to find out for ourselves. No one else's box will ever fit...too confining.

Pretty little boxes all in a row...so tempting...such a trap.

[Ceedub]

It begins to make you question EVERYTHING. Who's to say the planets are the way we've been told they are? How do we know for sure that there's no life on Mars, Venus, Jupiter or Saturn? How do we know you can't travel faster than light? It just begins to open up a whole Pandora's Box of questions. How much of what we are taught/told is truth? How much lies to keep us under control?

Just goes to show, to perceive Truth maintain the Beginer's Mind.

CW

[TargeT]

Pretty little boxes all in a row...so tempting...such a trap.

The trap has been shown to us, but being shown something and recognizing something are completely different.
MVyVp0qMpOk

[Ceedub]

Some of us were born mutants...the ones who question everything and just have to find out for ourselves. No one else's box will ever fit...too confining.

Pretty little boxes all in a row...so tempting...such a trap.

ONEYGU_7EqU

[Ceedub]

Pretty little boxes all in a row...so tempting...such a trap.

The trap has been shown to us, but being shown something and recognizing something are completely different.
MVyVp0qMpOk

Jinx, we posted the same song at the same time.

[Belle]

Cattle walking up a plank into a truck to market, or up a shiny ramp into ET ships ? I don’t see the difference. We’ve been a commodity since birth, soon they will be coming for there herd. How many will wake up in time or continue to march in a straight line as we’ve been taught since birth?


I imagine the rare cow in the herd pleading with the others, "You think this fence is explained by scientists... it's some coincidence the grass just happens to be greener?! 'Walk toward the trucks', that's what the divine biped told you??!! Wake the mooo up!".

CW

Reminds me of something H.R. Tomlinson wrote in the book "The Sea and the Jungle" (it was written as 1 paragraph...I made it more for an easier read)....

"The day before we left for the Madeira we took aboard sixty head of cattle. They were wild things, which had been collected in the campo with great difficulty, and driven into lighters. A rope was dropped over the horns of each beast: this was attached to a crane hook, the winch was started, and up the poor wretch came, all its weight on its horns, bumping inertly against the ship's side in its passage, like a bale, and was then dumped in a heap on deck. This treatment seemed to subdue it. Each quietly submitted to a halter. Several lost horns, and one hurt its leg, and had to be dragged to its place.

But, to our great joy--we were watching the scene from the bridge--the Brazilian herdsmen on the lighter shouted an anxious warning to their fellows on our deck as a small black heifer, a pot-bellied lump with a stretched neck, rotated in her unusual efforts to free her horns. She even bellowed. She bumped heavily against the ship's side, and tried desperately to find her feet. She was, and I offered up thanks for this benefit, most plainly an implacable rebel.

The cattlemen, as punishment for the trouble she had given them ashore, kept her dangling over the deck, and one got level with her face and mocked her, slapping her nose. She actually defied him, though she was quite helpless, with some minatory sounds.

She was no cow. She was insurrection, she was the hate for tyrants incarnated. They dropped her. She was up and away like a cat, straight for the winchman, and tried to get the winch out of her path, bellowing as she worked. She put everybody on that deck in the shrouds or on the forecastle head as she trotted round, with her tail up, looking for brutes to put them to death.

None of the cows (of course) helped her. By a trick she was caught, and her horns were lashed down to a ring bolt in a hatch coaming. Then she tried to kick all who passed.

If the rest of the cattle had been like her none would have suffered. Alas! They were probably all scientific evolutionists, content to wait for men to become kindly apple-lovers by slow and natural uplift; and gravely deprecated the action of the heifer, from which, as peaceful cows, they disassociated themselves."


Speaking for myself, just try to put this little lady in a box, and expect the same!

[fourty-two]

Finding out that "You Don't Know Jack" can be quit an epiphany!
Many thanks for the ride!

[21CC]

VW
I imagine the rare cow in the herd pleading with the others, "You think this fence is explained by scientists... it's some coincidence the grass just happens to be greener?! 'Walk toward the trucks', that's what the divine biped told you??!! Wake the mooo up!".

CW
;)
"What is Mu?"

[Arrowwind]

[
Cattle walking up a plank into a truck to market, or up a shiny ramp into ET ships ? I don’t see the difference. We’ve been a commodity since birth, soon they will be coming for there herd. How many will wake up in time or continue to march in a straight line as we’ve been taught since birth?




This reminds me of that Outer Limits episode where all the humans are excited about the arrival of aliens as they seem quite friendly and they have come here to serve us.... The aliens carry around a "good book" with strange lettering on it. Many humans willingly get on the ships to go for a ride. At the end of the episode the foreign letters rearrage so that we can read them in English... it says "How To Serve Man" - a cookbook


¤=[Post Update]=¤

Heres a link to a study on uranium that was consumed by individuals. No apparrent harm done
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16731292 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16731292)

[Kimberley]

********************

Ok I recorded the interview with Ben Williams yesterday and it is now posted in the archives for your listening pleasure...

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/belovenow/2012/07/10/livinginthenowben-williams-about-nuclear-power-scam


Ben sent me a NUCLEAR RADIATION EXPOSURE COMPARISON CHART that Ben and Galen put together.. I have attached this in a jpg version.



ok the pdf is attached too so you can see this chart..just click on the pdf attachment link below the graphic..

EDIT

I posted a corrected chart on page 8 of this thread 7-15-2012

Any way Much love!! :grouphug:

I do not know how to delete the chart from the older post...

I just received this message from Ben Williams


Kimberely,

I need you to replace the Radiation Comparison Chart I sent you earlier with this new one (attached). I had to correct the calculations for "sieverts."

When Galen supervised the making of this chart, back in the 80's, we didn't include the measurement of "sieverts." Recently I added the "sieverts" calculation, and unfortunately I miscalculated it. Too many zeros. I am not the mathematician Galen was.

Anyway, I am attaching the revised (corrected) chart. Please take down the one that I sent earlier and replace it with this revised chart. Can't afford to be inaccurate.

Thank you.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Ben Williams

Here is a pdf link to the corrected chart:

[Kimberley]

********

I received this e-mail from Ben Williams today... be sure to follow all the links in the article and watch the 2 videos...

This sure is a fascinating story...

Much love! :grouphug:


Kimberley,

I found this just this morning on NPR news. Check it out. Startling footage from 1957.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/krulwich/2012/07/16/156851175/five-men-agree-to-stand-directly-under-an-exploding-nuclear-bomb?ft=1&f=1001

Here's an example of the effect of
1. size of source,
2. duration of exposure
3. distance and intervening shielding.

This small nuclear bomb was 18,000 feet (three miles) overhead ... far enough away that no damage occurred to the men. That was 1957.


The second video is of a much larger bomb, thus the footage was shot at a greater distance.

Ben Williams

[witchy1]

i was reading Jim Stones website tonight and read this

In my journey of discovery in my investigation into the Fukushima disaster, I interviewed an 85 year old nuclear engineer who worked in the nuclear industry during America's glory days, and earned GE over 100 patents. He was one of the engineers who designed Fukushima, so naturally when conducting a real investigation into such a disaster a responsible journalist would want that type of reference. I was surprised when my prior study of the reactor systems there was so thorough that he had no information about Fukushima I did not already dig up, and he was very surprised when I told him details about the inner workings of the reactor he never expected anyone in the media to know.

When I started to think I was going to walk away with nothing, he dropped a bombshell on a totally different subject. He opened his new direction of the discussion with the phrase

"My team succeeded in closing the nuclear loop, and Carter banned our miracle with an executive order (http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/order.html)

Here is what followed that introductory line, and the reason why we need to oust the FED and start over.

The following is what he said in the interview

I started in the American nuclear program all the way back at the time of the Manhattan project, and have been involved in reactor design and nuclear engineering my whole life. There was one answer we all searched for, and it was how to close the nuclear loop.

When a reactor such as a boiling water reactor uses fuel, the waste products, which are highly radioactive isotopes that have a different fission characteristic than the fuel, build up in the fuel and poison the nuclear reaction. A reactor such as a boiling water reactor can only use the fuel until it gets contaminated by these isotopes enough to change the nature of the nuclear reactions taking place. The reaction environment inside a boiling water reactor is only one such environment that will work to trigger a chain reaction, and if that spent fuel is put into a reactor made from different materials, those materials can favor the burning of the poisonous isotopes, and use the isotopes as fuel until the fuel is purified of them, and therefore had it's original radiological characteristics restored. Once that is accomplished, the fuel can go back into the boiling water reactor, and used as new.

We perfected the second reactor design, which used liquid sodium as a coolant, and the reactor ran much hotter - 1100 farenheit as opposed to 550 in a boiling water reactor. The liquid sodium circulated inside the reactor in lieu of water, with the heat of the reaction being removed from the system by a heat exchanger which boiled the water outside the reactor for use in producing electricity. The temperature difference and coolant characteristics facilitated the burning of the isotopes, and you got to use both sides of the reaction - one side produced electricity while poisoning the fuel, and the other side produced electricity while burning the poisons out. This process can be repeated 20 times, and when it is finished the fuel is DEAD and no longer hazardous because all of it's radiological potential has been used up. It was a dream come true, and Carter banned it by executive order!

He specifically stated that the burn down was so complete that the spent fuel was safe to handle directly with bare hands, and needed no special care or maintenance at all.

He then went on to lament about what a waste of money it was, because the fuel is expensive, and they were only using it to about five percent of its total potential. He lamented the fact that his life's greatest accomplishment got banned for no good reason, and it was a tremendous waste of money to not use the technology his team developed. Electricity would have been cheap. REAL CHEAP. So cheap that homes would not have been heated with oil or natural gas, electricity would have been the only sensible choice. Furthermore, with a reduction in the price of electricity by at least 10X, electric cars would have been a no brainer.

This would have been America's free energy future, with the only real cost being maintenance of infrastructure.

His take on it was that we were now paying too much for electricity. I guess that's how an engineer thinks. He had read my article on Fukushima and liked it, so one would guess his eyes were open to the global conspiracy. Even still I think he missed the obvious in what he said.

Here is my take, and it has NOTHING to do with price, preservation of resources, or free energy.

Nuclear reactors are HUGE. They have an enormous amount of nuclear material in them. One boiling water reactor core the size of the ones at Fukushima can easily hold enough fissionable material to make countless atomic bombs. And with the technology that makes re-using that fuel illegal, it builds up at a rate of 25 tons per gigawatt YEAR. This means that even small facilities like Fort Calhoun have approximately a million pounds of highly radioactive "poisoned" fuel sitting in their pools waiting for the right combination of problems to cause a disaster......

More here: http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/busted.html

Here is the link to his 7 hours worth of reading and 100's of hours of research: fukushima report (http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/fukushima1.html)

[Kimberley]

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Hey witchy1 very interesting information! I e-mailed Jim Stone and told him about Galen Winsor and gave him the link to this thread. I asked him to give us his take on all the information we have gathered in this thread. I will report back when I hear from him...

Much love! :grouphug:

[TargeT]

***********

Hey witchy1 very interesting information! I e-mailed Jim Stone and told him about Galen Winsor and gave him the link to this thread. I asked him to give us his take on all the information we have gathered in this thread. I will report back when I hear from him...

Much love! :grouphug:

Thanks for keeping this up on this topic Kimberly!

This is one of the most important threads on this forum & I am constantly referencing it as I educate people about this LIE that has been spread for ages.


From Jim Stone's page:

Fukashema: another false flag?
http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/reference.jpg

[Kimberley]

Thanks for keeping this up on this topic Kimberly!

This is one of the most important threads on this forum & I am constantly referencing it as I educate people about this LIE that has been spread for ages.

Yes TargetT I agree... this is the most important thread in project Avalon for me also!!! So I am doing my best to gather and glean the information that presents its self and am doing my best to keep us all posted!!!.... It is my pleasure to do so!!! Thank you for noticing!!! :-)

Much love! :hug:

[Andrew]

I'd like to say a big thanks out loud as well Kimberley for the work you have done in this thread and the OP for bringing us the interview and everyone else.

I'm sure there's a snippet of the Galen interview in the Zeitgeist Movie and always when I saw the clip wanted to see the rest of the whole video and never knew where it was from or of whom it was in the clip, never did I notice it on Youtube either, this goes back to the first time I saw Zeitgeist so a few years ago now, so glad we eventually found it :)

I think a lot miss the point of what Galen says and that Nuclear power can be very dangerous but handled properly can be relatively safe. I remember as kid running around with a jerry can of petrol for my motorbike all the time and no one gave a crap, you can do a lot of damage with a can of petrol and ten year olds can run around with a can and no one is bothered (the kids are clever enough to hold the matches), just some choose to do dumb stuff. But generally you don't suppress the people lol. You teach. :juggle:

Produce fear when needed tactic through and through.

I think one word sums up what has been done to the people and that's Hoodwinked in ever facet of life so someone can further an agenda.

[Arrowwind]

i , I interviewed an 85 year old nuclear engineer who worked in the nuclear industry during America's glory days, and earned GE over 100 patents. He was one of the engineers who designed Fukushima, so naturally when conducting a real investigation into such a disaster a responsible journalist would want that type of reference.]

And who is this person? A story without a name isnt much of a story.

[Arrowwind]

Beware of the agenda that would put a small nuclear reactor in every city and in every large apartment complex. We need a lot more answers before we let them they pull this one on us.

[TargeT]

Beware of the agenda that would put a small nuclear reactor in every city and in every large apartment complex. We need a lot more answers before we let them they pull this one on us.

I'd be the first inline for a LFTR (liquid fluoride thorium reactor (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46819-A-video-they-won-t-want-you-to-see--Galen-Winsor-nuclear-scam-&p=526468&viewfull=1#post526468) ) in my house, it's probably less dangerous than the high voltage lines that crisscross this country & seem to cause health issues due to the high RF (and magnetic fields).... We barely understand "electricity" as it is, the 60 hertz oscillation alone (here in the us vr 50 hertz in Europe) is interesting enough a topic to warrant a redesign...

The conclusions that are jumped to on A highly technical topic like this truly underscore thinking processes that allow slight unknowns to remain a mystery....

To consider the current system safer than another when even an electrical engineer cannot tell you how a transformer functions at a fundamental level ( yeah.... Those those things on most power poles....) is not a position I could take.

[Kimberley]

Well I received a very unsatisfactory response from Jim Stone...

Here is part of what I wrote to him


I have a question for you in regard to your Fukushima report. I am
a member of the Project Avalon forum and there is a thread that was
started a few weeks ago titled Galen Winsor - Nuclear power scam. I
would like for you to take a look at what we have gathered and give us
your take on what Galen Winsor had to say in the mid 80's about
Nuclear energy. I am also wondering if the 85 year old engineer that
you interviewed knew Galen Winsor and l would love to know what your
engineer has to say about Galen Winsor's information.

I gave him the link to this thread and a few links to some of the highlights of this thread of course including the video that started this thread...

Her is his responce:


I can't spare the bandwidth to watch a video that long, but from the title it looks like it is probably correct. PROOF?

Russia's evacuation threshold for Chernobyl was 5 MSV/year. Yet there are areas of this world where the natural background radiation is 250 MSV/year and the people who live in those areas suffer no ill effects and live their lives normally, with normal life spans.

So now there are these butt heads saying that lower doses are more dangerous than these proven, non health harming high doses that occur naturally.

This is like saying you can run out in front of a bus and be totally fine, but don't get hit by a three year old on a tricycle.

and the high natural doses are gamma, the same as what is coming off Fukushima. Now, would I want to live at Fukushima? ABSOLUTELY NOT, I would not go anywhere near the place. But the fear scamming on ENE news is just nauseating.

So I tried... I will write to him again... However, if anyone else wants to write to him please do. james@destroythedarkness.com

Much love! :grouphug:

[scanner]

Thank you for effort Kimberley

[ljwheat]

Just wanted to bump this very Important thread and video of Galen Winsor --- and how safe we are because of his testimony. Each time I watch this I hear something I missed or hadn't thought of.

:bump2: now that everything has quieted down. and we have some extra time. LOL

John xoxo


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[polly1022]

Two things bothered me right off the bat. 1. That he went to Brigham Young University, and 2. that he worked in the nuclear field most of his life and still can't pronounce the word properly.

That being said, I did find it fascinating and it sounds like something the PTB would do. HOWEVER. When I was pregnant with my middle daughter in 88, and going to the health dept. clinic, they were doing 10 X the normal amount of testing and precautionary measure on pregnant women they normally did. I questioned it and was given BS answers. I kept questioning and countering their BS answers as I am a bit more educated a lot more intelligent than the average people they work with. Finally the nurse became exasperated with me and said in a hushed tone that fetal deaths and premature births had increased in my area exponentially as well as cases of thyroid cancer etc..she said that the main part of the Chernobyl cloud had fallen on my immediate area. I was the first person who knew about this other than health care workers many of whom had been placed by the gov. They were hiding this info from the public. Ironically I went home and my best friend had made an appointment with the doctor. She was'nt sure what was wrong. I told her what the nurse had told me that day at my appointment. We did'nt connect it to her not being well at all, just discussed my bizarre finding at the health dept. My freind goes into the doctor the next day...she has thyroid cancer.
Could this be a coincidence ? Absolutely.
If i had the chance to swim in galen's pool would I ? Yes, just so the world would know what the truth is, even if it killed me. Whether galen is right or wrong, the human species should know one way or the other. I've always wanted to go to Japan.....

Oh and were'nt there dramtically increased incidences of disease on the Apache reservation when they stored the nuclear waste there ? Especially with kids and old people.

[TargeT]

I can't find any data on Apache disease rates connected to the nuclear storage; about all I do find is the usual contract violation & sneaky "white man" legal screw-over that we seem so good at.

Thyroid cancer incidents should not have gone away (were they connected to what they are claimed to be connected to: cesium 137 (which has a half life of 30.7 years)) we should have years of clear evidence by now, not guesses and postulations on the connection of disease to incident; it's been a lot of years since 1986.

I've gone on the "Cesium 137" trail before and never found anything conclusive other than some circumstantial evidence of increased cysts in an otherwise problematic gland (I know quite a few people with thyroid problems that have never been near radioactive material)

An estimated 27 million Americans have thyroid disease, and more than half are undiagnosed. Frequently misunderstood, and too often overlooked and misdiagnosed, thyroid disease affects almost every aspect of health, so understanding more about the thyroid, and the symptoms that occur when something goes wrong with this small gland, can help you protect or regain good health.

Women are at the greatest risk, developing thyroid problems seven times more often than men.
http://thyroid.about.com/cs/basics_starthere/a/thyroid101.htm


here's a little colateral damage from this nuclear farse:


Fukushima contractor forced workers to fake radiation readings
A company charged with decontaminating the devastated Fukushima Nuclear Power Plant encouraged its workers to falsely lower their radiation dosimeter readings by covering the devices with lead, according to a leaked tape of an internal meeting.
Nuclear plant workers are not allowed to be exposed to more than 50 millisieverts of radiation a year. But managers at Build-up, a company that provided insulation on the pipes that would pump irradiated water out of the plant, believed that doses experienced inside the plant, which suffered a meltdown, meant workers would quickly reach their limit.
A senior executive gave the team at the site lead boxes that they were told to make into shields.
The workers were then told to place these over the dosimeters. Lead effectively blocks radiation, and produces a significantly lower reading.
When some of them refused, the executive called a meeting.
The executive cajoled the workers by saying, “You can no longer make a living when the dose runs out,” according to a tape that was given by somebody present at the meeting to the Asahi Shimbun newspaper.
"I think this is almost a crime," retorted one of the workers.

An argument broke out, and while the executive said the decision was voluntary, the rhetoric became threatening.
"Perhaps you are not cut out for working at nuclear plants," he said. "Go back to your hometown and do some other job."
Three of the workers resigned immediately, while at least nine agreed to wear the shields.

Fukushima was severely damaged during a tsunami and earthquake last March. Three of its reactors suffered full meltdowns, releasing potentially fatal doses of radiation exceeding the normal levels by a factor of thousands.
Official logs list one of the workers who agreed to wear the shield among those exposed to the highest dose of radiation out of all 5,000 clean-up operatives at the plant. His real exposure is likely to have been exponentially higher.
Build-up worked at the site from November 2011 until March 2012. The company has admitted that workers used the shields on at least one occasion.
The government says it will launch an investigation.

http://www.rt.com/news/fukushima-radiation-fake-readings-763/

[ljwheat]

From start to finish on this thread those who have reviewed all the evidence presented, it still amazes me just how many still by into the fears of old, even with new evidence.

Russia and Japan and the US were used to keep this scare of radiation going. First on the seen was the mushroom cloud, burned into peoples brains and its devastating power. After that it was a peace of cake to freak out the rest of the world with Radiation and fall out.


When Japan at the end of wwii was hit by (TWO) full Yield Nuke ’s ( BONBS). --- releasing thousands the times of radiation than Russia and Japans latest, and yet people are well and thriving in those two city's today, --- in Russia there’s a“deadZone” from a steam and chemical explosion and melt down. No bomb went off, yet a dead zone? really? a dead zone -------- or is it a fear zone? --- hook line and you believe it>?----- really?

I guess some one didn’t tell Japan that two city’s were the real Mc Coy went off in there face --- should still be dead today and for the next 500 years, like Russia --- and three mile island are now dead? really?

You can’t have both its safe or its not. -- or the Japanese people are still glowing in the dark at night and wont admit it for the next 500 years.

Or is it selective listening or not watching the video at all, and just shooting from the hip. A book review with out reading what the book was all about, I just do not understand after this kind of evidence can be shoved under the rug with a statement of disbelief.

Catfish swimming in the cooling ponds in the dead zone with other animals that have been there since day one, with a body mass a quarter of a humans mass, yet humans have to stay out of the dead zone men have declared to keep the world in fear of radiation. Hell if I could boil water by putting a couple of rocks together, and boil it non stop for fifty years I think it wouldn’t be long before I figured out how to use that free energy to cook and power my house and the entire block for the next 50 years.

You think that’s why they put the scare in the worlds back pocket instead of free energy? fire is harmless too if your educated and not afraid of it.

John xoxo

[SKIBADABOMSKI]

I'm so dam busy at the moment doing shows and festivals, like I'm getting an hour spare a night. But this thread is bookmarked. I'll be back in Japan in September and I just want to thank you all for bumping and keeping this thread alive.

Especially you Kimberly. Your doing what I'd love to do if I had the time.

Great work.

Ski-

[TargeT]

It seems like this thread is focused on sheding old fears, or debating if these fears should still be held, this topic is so much more than how we have been lied to, this topic is the seed of the cure to one of the globes major problems.
So here are some positive things to look at for this thread:

LFTR (Liquid Flouride Thorium Reactors) in 5 min:
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US working with china on LFTR:
http://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/U.S.-China-Collaborate-on-Thorium-Nuclear-Power-Research.html

Thorium powered car? (not sure if this is real or not...)
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44820498/ns/technology_and_science-innovation/t/thorium-future-nuclear-power/

Is Thorium the Biggest Energy Breakthrough Since Fire?
http://www.forbes.com/sites/williampentland/2011/09/11/is-thorium-the-biggest-energy-breakthrough-since-fire-possibly/

UK foundation helping promote LFTR:
http://www.the-weinberg-foundation.org/people.php

US foundation helping promote thorium:
http://www.thoriumenergyalliance.com/

Canida based company working for thorium:
http://thorium1.com/

http://energyfromthorium.com/

TED talk on thorium:
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I think this cat is almost out of the bag, lots of positive changes will come from this.

[ljwheat]

This is another example of how safe it is, if it were so dangerus why is this kid still alive. and cancer free.

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[ljwheat]

And here are the catfish I was refering to. There glands are a little smaller than our's yet thay live,---- tumor free.-- along with the wild life inside this terrible DEAD Zone? -- Realy a dead zone?-- I guess no one tould the fish about this. dead polluted water?

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[ljwheat]

On July 19, 1957, five Air Force officers and one photographer stood together on a patch of ground about 65 miles northwest of Las Vegas. They'd marked the spot "Ground Zero. Population 5" on a hand-lettered sign hammered into the soft ground right next to them.
As we watch, directly overhead, two F-89 jets roar into view, and one of them shoots off a nuclear missile carrying an atomic warhead.
They wait. There is a countdown; 18,500 feet above them, the missile is detonated and blows up. Which means, these men intentionally stood directly underneath an exploding 2-kiloton nuclear bomb. One of them, at the key moment (he's wearing sunglasses), looks up. You have to see this to believe it.
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Who are these guys? And why is the narrator joyously shouting, "It happened! The mounds are vibrating. It is tremendous! Directly above our heads! Aaah!"
This footage comes from our government's archives. It was shot by the U.S. Air Force (at the behest of Col. Arthur B. "Barney" Oldfield, public information officer for the Continental Air Defense Command in Colorado Springs) to demonstrate the relative safety of a low-grade nuclear exchange in the atmosphere. Two colonels, two majors and a fifth officer agreed to stand right below the blast. Only the cameraman, George Yo****ake, didn't volunteer.
The country was just beginning to worry about nuclear fallout, and the Air Force wanted to reassure people that it was OK to use atomic weapons to counter similar weapons being developed in Russia. (They didn't win this argument.)
The Silence
Watching this film, there are many things to wonder (and worry) about, but one of the stranger moments is how the bomb bursts in complete silence. We see a sudden white flash. It makes the soldiers flinch. Then there's a pause, a pregnant quiet that lasts for a beat, then another and then — there's a roar. ("There it is! The ground wave!"), after which the sky above seems to go black and the air turns to fire.
Basic physics explains the pause. Because light travels quicker than sound, you see light first, you hear sound later. In most movies (even in government-released atomic bomb blast films), the sound is artificially time shifted to make the flash and the sound appear simultaneous.
'A Long, Thundering Growl'
But that's not what it's like if you are actually there. Science historian Alex Wellerstein has found an undoctored and deeply frightening recording — which he just posted on Restricted Data; The Nuclear Secrecy Blog.
He got it, he says, from "a Russian correspondent" who was searching the U.S. National Archives. (Why not? Our past is open to all.) The Russian found a recording of an American atomic test in 1953, which shows an enormous flash of white, so white it blanks out the entire sky, then thick clouds of ash (or maybe dirt?) tumble up, a fireball appears — all of this in total quiet. Thirty seconds pass. And then, says Wellerstein,

[ljwheat]

Here you go check this lady out as she surches for uranium in nature, and her collection at home of assorted gems of radiation in two bowls on her dinning room table. " no fear."

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[Kimberley]

Here you go check this lady out as she surches for uranium in nature, and her collection at home of assorted gems of radiation in two bowls on her dinning room table. " no fear."

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Great find John !!! Thank you!!! Love you!!

Much love to us all!!! :grouphug:

[ljwheat]

This one is from Tom, here he investigates granet counter tops, and your house hold kitchen. interesting information here and you were worried about fall out. --yet we live with it all the time its everywhere. On top of our Sun another source. So where do you run now. Its absalutely everywhere. get youself your own counter see how many ticks your living with. correction have always been living with. :lalala:

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[Andrew]

Should change the title to a video no one wants to take a look at.

This thread is probably the only one on here that could change the world, literally, its not like where debating something we cant see, touch or smell, like other exotic technologies or ET or Demonic entities, if what this thread is spelling out is true (and it seems like it is), the people can easily take power over it and change the world, yet THEY have managed to put the technology right out in our faces and still keep us away from it.

People on this forum recently seem more concerned with spelling and punctuation then important stuff like this and chasing monsters and boogeymen.

Where are the so called "clever ones" debating this and tearing it apart for good or bad? they're nowhere near here. It concerns me.

This thread doesn't show up on the forum front page either, I thought general discussion was open to the public?

[ljwheat]

Should change the title to a video no one wants to take a look at.

This thread is probably the only one on here that could change the world, literally, its not like where debating something we cant see, touch or smell, like other exotic technologies or ET or Demonic entities, if what this thread is spelling out is true (and it seems like it is), the people can easily take power over it and change the world, yet THEY have managed to put the technology right out in our faces and still keep us away from it.

People on this forum recently seem more concerned with spelling and punctuation then important stuff like this and chasing monsters and boogeymen.

Where are the so called "clever ones" debating this and tearing it apart for good or bad? they're nowhere near here. It concerns me.

This thread doesn't show up on the forum front page either, I thought general discussion was open to the public?

My sentiments exactly Andrew, I was freaked out by the atomic scare scam for over 50 years, taught to jump under my desk at school before J.F.K. was assassinated with picture’s of the fire ball locked into my head and when atomic plants started showing up, my impression of them was a bomb waiting to go off, and building them in our back yards. Ya I bought it hook line and sinker -- and before I saw this evidence I was locked into my beliefs I was told to believe.

Like I said before on this subject, those still stuck in there fear as I was are not looking at this video, instead are firing shots across the bow of thread out of ignorance like I did for so many years. Open mind, critical thinking, and sitting threw the entire video change my entire paradigm I was buying into. How could I know any different the only thing out there is fear based lie’s to keep people away from even looking, let alone questioning the upper class know it all scientific brainyacks that control use worthless eater’s, need to know only if they have use for you in a controlled compartmental slavery. As so many whistle blower’s have attested to.

Until names of majestic’s or Sheppards of the present herd voice what we’ve voice and opened to this thread will it start to pick up a momentum to get any credence to break into the main stream thinking. Like a rocket ship must reach a velocity high enough to break out of the influence of earths gravity. The gravity of the present level of fear in radiation is greater that earths pull right now. that’s got be worked on. The bigger the rocket the better the chances of it leaving orbit. We need celebrity power in multiples, like a three stage rocket, each one pushing this capsule out of here. I tried to get Bill into this -- but is on the side of cold war duck and cover poisoning like I was. I keep digging and bumping this thread with any new info on this very important paradigm changer, I don’t know what else to do. So I will continue to search high and low for anything that will fill the engines of this rocket.

"A video no one wants to look at in its Entirety or -- this video has been band ?"
What will it Take? :frusty: John xoxo :lalala:

Start clicking on the reply button and saying something instead of the thank you button would help make this rocket take off too. " Please?" :bump2:

[polly1022]

I agree that this is something that should be looked at and debated by a far broader base than it has been. I personally am not convinced either way. I guess you could say I don't trust anyone on either side of the issue.

I know of the Apache problems because I know two people from the res personally. I also know of the problems caused by the uranium mining on the lakota res because I know people there personally. I cannot provide proof however. I have my own experience of which I wrote above, but there could have been ulterior motives in that scenario. The PTB work in some crazy ways, always keeping people guessing, but what happened does'nt really jibe with the "WANT us to believe it's harmful when it's not." Although they usually have people working 6 steps ahead and I could have been the first patsy LOL Oh and I wanted to add that there have been ongoing incidences of health problems in this area including neurological disorders. They give the stats in a brief segment on the local news and then are never to be seen again.

here is a link though to a story and it provides many links toward the end. Could this be contrived ? You bet. ( especially from this source ) IS IT contrived...that is the question.
http://enenews.com/head-of-internal-medicine-at-japan-hospital-astonished-by-fukushima-thyroid-exams-immediate-evacuation-is-imperative-a-violation-of-human-rights-for-those-exposed-to-radiation

also, if the muttonbirds come back to NZ that might give us an external source of info. http://thewatchers.adorraeli.com/2012/05/04/new-zealand-scientists-voice-concerns-over-most-unusual-event-in-20-years-of-studies/
That can be counterchecked with a benign source over the next couple of years.

I can't on just a handful of new information tidbits, entirely wipe what I knew or thought I knew about the dangers of nuclear waste. That would be as irresponsible as believing everything you see on tv. I would though, like to send this video to some nuclear experts and get thier responses. See if anyone bites.

The only thing I know for sure is that the PTB are so machiavellian in their manipulation of the divide and conquer principle, that either view or BOTH could be as equally contrived. We need to find a way to get to the TRUTH of the matter.

heck, according to physics, nuclear waste could only be harmful to the people who believe it is harmful LOL we still need proof.

[ljwheat]

For those who like to jump in at the end of a thread ---- and bumping this back to the top of the new posts page -- this is one of the video's in question.
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[Andrew]

I agree that this is something that should be looked at and debated by a far broader base than it has been. I personally am not convinced either way. I guess you could say I don't trust anyone on either side of the issue.

I know of the Apache problems because I know two people from the res personally. I also know of the problems caused by the uranium mining on the lakota res because I know people there personally. I cannot provide proof however. I have my own experience of which I wrote above, but there could have been ulterior motives in that scenario. The PTB work in some crazy ways, always keeping people guessing, but what happened does'nt really jibe with the "WANT us to believe it's harmful when it's not." Although they usually have people working 6 steps ahead and I could have been the first patsy LOL Oh and I wanted to add that there have been ongoing incidences of health problems in this area including neurological disorders. They give the stats in a brief segment on the local news and then are never to be seen again.

here is a link though to a story and it provides many links toward the end. Could this be contrived ? You bet. ( especially from this source ) IS IT contrived...that is the question.
http://enenews.com/head-of-internal-medicine-at-japan-hospital-astonished-by-fukushima-thyroid-exams-immediate-evacuation-is-imperative-a-violation-of-human-rights-for-those-exposed-to-radiation

also, if the muttonbirds come back to NZ that might give us an external source of info. http://thewatchers.adorraeli.com/2012/05/04/new-zealand-scientists-voice-concerns-over-most-unusual-event-in-20-years-of-studies/
That can be counterchecked with a benign source over the next couple of years.

I can't on just a handful of new information tidbits, entirely wipe what I knew or thought I knew about the dangers of nuclear waste. That would be as irresponsible as believing everything you see on tv. I would though, like to send this video to some nuclear experts and get thier responses. See if anyone bites.

The only thing I know for sure is that the PTB are so machiavellian in their manipulation of the divide and conquer principle, that either view or BOTH could be as equally contrived. We need to find a way to get to the TRUTH of the matter.

heck, according to physics, nuclear waste could only be harmful to the people who believe it is harmful LOL we still need proof.

Great response and I agree with everything you are saying, its the kind of debate this thread needs.

Thyroid cancer is more likely from putting mercury in your teeth and fillings or dodgy dental work imo, did they get some free dental work?

That link is from energy news lol who owns the energy of this world? who owns that site?

And the animal thing is just a wild guess, its the only thing they can pin it on "Radiation" not the fact the worlds going to **** and the Suns cooking us and the weather is totally array, no? lets just go merrily merrily around and around and continue with the usual BS and lead us nowhere. The animals have been dieing like crazy for years! its probably got more to do with all the mobile masts up everywhere or all the chemicals in the water and the fact we chopping all there trees down, so we can have loads of empty fields, bit like that foot and mouth bollocks to get rid of the farming or atleast FREEDOM farming.

We need to not forget who/what we are dealing with here-LIEING GREEDY SCUMBAGS- who just love to laugh at all the gullible people, and take there freedoms, for there own selfish reasons.

Why have we even got electricity? what did J P Morgan say "how we gonna charge for this" so what have we got? a way to charge and keep us in dept servitude and scare the **** out of us at the same time! PERFECT, lets do that.

What Galen says is PURE common sense (what most are lacking these days), he says you will burn yourself with this stuff, he says you can make bombs with this stuff, he says you can heat your house or cool it, he says the COOLING TOWERS ARE WASTING ALL THE HEAT, now heres the kicker, maybe just maybe its because we are wasting all this heat and letting all that steam evaporate thats the problem? maybe its the steam thats toxic, battery acid is toxic, but when its in the battery no one gives a crap (just bury them when your done lol), maybe nuclear power is dangerous when its in the control of retards??

Could it benefit mankind in the right hands? probably, is it in the right hands? NO

Lets ask Stubblebine he'll save us, for a price ^^

Another thing I have seen on British tele a news report of Fukushima and the journalists was wearing the usual face mask and the local guy showing him around was just wearing his plain cloths, no protection whats so ever and he didn't care and the dogs were all running around happy as larry (wondering where all the people have gone). Its in your face the TRUTH the lies are just there aswell infact if you listen they dont actually lie that much they just show you a danger sign... its enough for the public these days ^^

[Kimberley]

********************

For those of us following this thread and for those of us who think this is a huge nut that needs to be cracked wide open, I have decided to share an interview that I did with James Lovelock in October of 2006 about his 2006 book

"Revenge of Gaia: Why the Earth Is Fighting Back – and How We Can Still Save Humanity".

It was in that book the Mr Lovelock writes about how nuclear energy is actually the cleanest and least dangerous energy source available (currently) on the planet. I asked him about it in the interview. At the time I had a hard time agreeing with that idea... However now when I just now listened back to the interview and have now been exposed to Galen Winsor. I am now understanding what he said/wrote.

This interview is only about 20 minutes.

http://www.kjinterviews.com/Audio/LovelockMCG.mp3


It is important to note that this year James changed his mind about global warming happening as fast as he thought in 2006 that he wrote about in his book and talks about in the interview.

This article from April 23, 2012 explains his change of thinking. And for those who do not know who James Lovelock is this article will tell you that also.

'Gaia' scientist James Lovelock: I was 'alarmist' about climate change

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/04/23/11144098-gaia-scientist-james-lovelock-i-was-alarmist-about-climate-change

Here a a couple of excerpts from the article:


James Lovelock, the maverick scientist who became a guru to the environmental movement with his “Gaia” theory of the Earth as a single organism, has admitted to being “alarmist” about climate change and says other environmental commentators, such as Al Gore, were too.

Lovelock, 92, is writing a new book in which he will say climate change is still happening, but not as quickly as he once feared.



'I made a mistake'
As “an independent and a loner,” he said he did not mind saying “All right, I made a mistake.” He claimed a university or government scientist might fear an admission of a mistake would lead to the loss of funding.

Lovelock -- who has previously worked with NASA and discovered the presence of harmful chemicals (CFCs) in the atmosphere but not their effect on the ozone layer -- stressed that humanity should still “do our best to cut back on fossil fuel burning” and try to adapt to the coming changes.



Lovelock also won the U.K.’s Geological Society’s Wollaston Medal in 2006. In a posting on its website, the society said it was “rare to be able to say that the recipient has opened up a whole new field of Earth science study” – referring to the Gaia theory of the planet as single complex system.

However Lovelock, who works alone at his home in Devon, England, has fallen out with the green movement in the past, particularly after saying countries should build nuclear power stations to help reduce the greenhouse gas emissions caused by coal and oil.



And I would like to mention that I also changed my mind about global warming being a big bad threat about 4 years ago... I still know we need to stop using "fossil fuels" and raping the land and cutting down trees etc for many reasons and we need to be better stewards of planet earth. And with clean free energy the whole world would change very quickly....

I will see if I can get in touch with James Lovelock again..


Much love to us all!! :grouphug:

[Andrew]

Wow he just explained Chemtrails! which some of us had gathered long ago, but for others there you go. Thanks kimberley

PS and a good civilization in the Artic :plane:

[CdnSirian]

I haven't read this thread since page 1 but I wanted to check it out and also see if the video was still showing on youtube - and it is.

Thanks all above, I have just read this last page and certainly want to bump the thread once again. I plan to get back and read the whole thing, tho' I scan through arguments - don't have the time!

What I understand from the video is that a blast of radiation can harm you, and that a low level prolonged exposure can be adapted to. That makes sense.

If you drink a litre of Scotch in one day, your system will suffer. If you drink a litre of Scotch one ounce at a time over some months, your body will process the alcohol just fine. In my non-scientific thinking, I am making sense of the radiation issue this way.

The whole cell phone issue is another argument - don't get exposed! Yet, we do not have millions of kids with brain cancer as predicted, and they never put the things down!

Appreciate all the info!:)

[Andrew]

I haven't read this thread since page 1 but I wanted to check it out and also see if the video was still showing on youtube - and it is.

Thanks all above, I have just read this last page and certainly want to bump the thread once again. I plan to get back and read the whole thing, tho' I scan through arguments - don't have the time!

What I understand from the video is that a blast of radiation can harm you, and that a low level prolonged exposure can be adapted to. That makes sense.

If you drink a litre of Scotch in one day, your system will suffer. If you drink a litre of Scotch one ounce at a time over some months, your body will process the alcohol just fine. In my non-scientific thinking, I am making sense of the radiation issue this way.

The whole cell phone issue is another argument - don't get exposed! Yet, we do not have millions of kids with brain cancer as predicted, and they never put the things down!

Appreciate all the info!:)

I'd be more concerned that its lowering there IQ, maybe the birds got lost on there way back? ;) But seriously it could be a number of reasons about birds not just that its radiation.

“We won’t know if they’ve died up there in the north Pacific until another year goes by, because sometimes these birds skip a breeding season- where if they are in a poor condition they don’t attempt to breed, and so they may turn up again and breed."

not much is in good condition at the moment.

[CdnSirian]

Apparently there are studies that show fluoride does lower the IQ. I haven't heard that about cell phone radiation.

[ljwheat]

********************

For those of us following this thread and for those of us who think this is a huge nut that needs to be cracked wide open, I have decided to share an interview that I did with James Lovelock in October of 2006 about his 2006 book

"Revenge of Gaia: Why the Earth Is Fighting Back – and How We Can Still Save Humanity".

It was in that book the Mr Lovelock writes about how nuclear energy is actually the cleanest and least dangerous energy source available (currently) on the planet. I asked him about it in the interview. At the time I had a hard time agreeing with that idea... However now when I just now listened back to the interview and have now been exposed to Galen Winsor. I am now understanding what he said/wrote.

This interview is only about 20 minutes.

http://www.kjinterviews.com/Audio/LovelockMCG.mp3


It is important to note that this year James changed his mind about global warming happening as fast as he thought in 2006 that he wrote about in his book and talks about in the interview.

This article from April 23, 2012 explains his change of thinking. And for those who do not know who James Lovelock is this article will tell you that also.

'Gaia' scientist James Lovelock: I was 'alarmist' about climate change

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/04/23/11144098-gaia-scientist-james-lovelock-i-was-alarmist-about-climate-change

Here a a couple of excerpts from the article:


James Lovelock, the maverick scientist who became a guru to the environmental movement with his “Gaia” theory of the Earth as a single organism, has admitted to being “alarmist” about climate change and says other environmental commentators, such as Al Gore, were too.

Lovelock, 92, is writing a new book in which he will say climate change is still happening, but not as quickly as he once feared.



'I made a mistake'
As “an independent and a loner,” he said he did not mind saying “All right, I made a mistake.” He claimed a university or government scientist might fear an admission of a mistake would lead to the loss of funding.

Lovelock -- who has previously worked with NASA and discovered the presence of harmful chemicals (CFCs) in the atmosphere but not their effect on the ozone layer -- stressed that humanity should still “do our best to cut back on fossil fuel burning” and try to adapt to the coming changes.



Lovelock also won the U.K.’s Geological Society’s Wollaston Medal in 2006. In a posting on its website, the society said it was “rare to be able to say that the recipient has opened up a whole new field of Earth science study” – referring to the Gaia theory of the planet as single complex system.

However Lovelock, who works alone at his home in Devon, England, has fallen out with the green movement in the past, particularly after saying countries should build nuclear power stations to help reduce the greenhouse gas emissions caused by coal and oil.



And I would like to mention that I also changed my mind about global warming being a big bad threat about 4 years ago... I still know we need to stop using "fossil fuels" and raping the land and cutting down trees etc for many reasons and we need to be better stewards of planet earth. And with clean free energy the whole world would change very quickly....

I will see if I can get in touch with James Lovelock again..


Much love to us all!! :grouphug:

Double WoW Kimberly thank you so, So much for bringing out the interview with Mr. James Lovelock, this is truly the kind of validation we’ve been looking for on this thread-- this adds so much more weight coming from a scientist of notoriety and that end of the spectrum. This is yet another nail in burying the coffin of fear I held for so long.

Understanding in this area, has lessened my over all depression in my mind concerning life and were I fit in it as a hole. Witch I’m sure is upsetting the power’s that be, of the loss of yet another power source disconnecting from the matrix they had so lovingly set up for me, and many other’s. Much love to us all, and to you Kimberly many blessing’s in your work and helping us all understand just a little bit better each time we read or hear your voice of light and love. Thank you John xoxo :bump: Breaking Free at last :neo:

[Andrew]

Apparently there are studies that show fluoride does lower the IQ. I haven't heard that about cell phone radiation.

We probably wont hear much on it for awhile... we've only been using mobiles what 20 year? ish, one thing about mobiles is when your in an area without much signal say 1-2 bars and your on the phone for longer than 2mins or so, don't you get a horrible sensation on the side of your head and have to hangup? what is that? it feels like your brain is cooking on one side and your ear gets hot or is it just me?
my point saying about the mobile phone masts and birds was just that it could be a number of things, not necessarily Fukushima.

[Sunlite]

Hi ljwheat,

I am answering your request to keep this thread moving. I, too, was in drastic fear mode due to my thyroid problems brought on by an endocrinologist who destroyed it by radioactive iodine, instead of bringing it back to normal as he said he would and now he must have gotten a great big fat check from the industry because I have to take Syntroid for the rest of my life!! I live with a nuclear power plant in my back yard almost! This thread is most important along with the one on CAFR, showing we (the government, states, cities and towns) have PLENTY of money, while they talk of us being broke...so check out that whistleblower and his video on this site somewhere....

I feel much safer as I was able to release my great fears also concerning a nuclear meltdown here. I am doing the best I can to keep bumping up this thread and I am hoping the video will remain as long as possible for newcomers to be able to see...All the best to you wheat and everyone else posting here.

Sincerely,
Sunlite

[ljwheat]

Hi ljwheat,

I am answering your request to keep this thread moving. I, too, was in drastic fear mode due to my thyroid problems brought on by an endocrinologist who destroyed it by radioactive iodine, instead of bringing it back to normal as he said he would and now he must have gotten a great big fat check from the industry because I have to take Syntroid for the rest of my life!! I live with a nuclear power plant in my back yard almost! This thread is most important along with the one on CAFR, showing we (the government, states, cities and towns) have PLENTY of money, while they talk of us being broke...so check out that whistleblower and his video on this site somewhere....

I feel much safer as I was able to release my great fears also concerning a nuclear meltdown here. I am doing the best I can to keep bumping up this thread and I am hoping the video will remain as long as possible for newcomers to be able to see...All the best to you wheat and everyone else posting here.

Sincerely,
Sunlite

Thank you Sunlite, I can validate everything you’ve said, and agree totally. If this thread dose nothing else but lift the depressing weight or fear that was injected into us by the main stream media, then its all been worth the effort to keep this thread rolling, as all of us are on different time lines and holding the space or light for other’s headed this way is paramount in my book thanks again Sunlite.

John xoxo

14,803 views and counting, if all of you who viewed commented instead of the thank you button this would have been HUG. and thanks to all the visitor's count as well. the peoples choice award go's out to everyone pro or con, this is good stuff. thanks for being counted. :grouphug:

[Andrew]

I would like to raise some more questions on this topic:

Do we have Nuclear Reactors all over the world? Yes
Are they being used to there full potential so that not to waste anything? No
Are they going to be knocked down and taken away? No
Do we need electricity? Yes
How many people burn to death in there own homes per year because of a house fire?
How many have died from a Nuclear Power Station?
What benefits (as explained by Galen) does having a Nuclear power station have on the world?
What other methods of creating electricity do we have already in place that is better than having a Nuclear power Station?
What would the implications be if the world decided to remove all the Nuclear power Stations right now?
What proof does anybody have that radiation is destroying the Planet?
Does the planet have radioactive (natural) material already in nature all over the world?
Is radioactivity natural?
Is it really a dead zone at Fukushima? Chernobyl?
Why we paying so much for energy when its all ready in place built and functioning and the waste is actually valuable?
Would you rather live in fear?
Fear of what exactly?
The power stations are there, wouldn't it be more beneficial to make sure there is no waste and that the engineers are doing there job properly to ensure we get what we paid for?
Is there room for improvement in the functionality of these power stations?
Do you have a better idea of getting electricity?

What would be the best coarse of action? stand at the gates waving signs at the engineers? or ask them why there wasting all the heat from the cooling towers (and probably helping with the weather problems) and find out whether we could use the wasted heat for other purposes?

Help? :)

If I've missed some important question pro or con please jump in a correct or help figure out a solution.

Maybe you don't see much on Fukushima on the news because there isn't really a problem there? Do they ever mention that loads of living creatures animals or people are dropping like flies from the radiation?

[ljwheat]

I would like to raise some more questions on this topic:

Maybe you don't see much on Fukushima on the news because there isn't really a problem there? Do they ever mention that loads of living creatures animals or people are dropping like flies from the radiation?

I would surmise that while it was in the news it acted like a vaccine shot or buster shot to keep the fear firmly in place. Continued coverage would only mean, they would have to invent more lie's. so just be quiet and let the fear in peoples heads invent there own. The mind will fill in any blanks left open and this is also used against us.

Even a melt down wouldn’t cause a radiation release or blow up. But with the fear in place the human mind will create its own Armageddon. Because no one knows what would happen, and those who do are lying to keep the fear in place. With enough blanks to drive everyone nuts.

This is a battle for the human mind. And control over it is the fear that’s in place.

[ljwheat]

I would like to raise some more questions on this topic:

Do you have a better idea of getting electricity?

What would be the best coarse of action? stand at the gates waving signs at the engineers? or ask them why there wasting all the heat from the cooling towers (and probably helping with the weather problems) and find out whether we could use the wasted heat for other purposes?



Until everyone is on the same page with the world is not flat anymore, and seeing that atomic power under water in a sub, didn’t turn anyone’s hair green or did it fall out after being next to a reactor for months on end. Its save for the Navy -- then its safe in you in back yard shed, just like a boy scout we all know about now.

The other source would be in the same class as free energy as atomic water boilers. Would have to be a fellow that came along before Edison and the electric meter’s for dollars exchange program.

Nikola Tesla --



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[heyokah]

Should change the title to a video no one wants to take a look at.

This thread is probably the only one on here that could change the world, literally, its not like where debating something we cant see, touch or smell, like other exotic technologies or ET or Demonic entities, if what this thread is spelling out is true (and it seems like it is), the people can easily take power over it and change the world, yet THEY have managed to put the technology right out in our faces and still keep us away from it.

People on this forum recently seem more concerned with spelling and punctuation then important stuff like this and chasing monsters and boogeymen.

Where are the so called "clever ones" debating this and tearing it apart for good or bad? they're nowhere near here. It concerns me.

This thread doesn't show up on the forum front page either, I thought general discussion was open to the public?

It concerns me too !!!
Where are they ??

Changing the title...... Might be a good idea.

[polly1022]

So here's the real question. If this is so important, is any one of us here on this message board going to DO something about it ? We can sit here on an obscure board on a thread that most on the board don't even read or discuss, keep the thread alive, keep flapping our fingers...and it will do nothing.

Is anyone going to copy this info to disc, send it out to experts all over the world, get the attention of any non elite run tv and radio stations, push it to the point where even the major networks have to address the issue, track down scientists who are willing to do the experiments and get the PROOF ( either way it flies ) on video and disseminate it to the world ?

[Christine]

So here's the real question. If this is so important, is any one of us here on this message board going to DO something about it ? We can sit here on an obscure board on a thread that most on the board don't even read or discuss, keep the thread alive, keep flapping our fingers...and it will do nothing.

Is anyone going to copy this info to disc, send it out to experts all over the world, get the attention of any non elite run tv and radio stations, push it to the point where even the major networks have to address the issue, track down scientists who are willing to do the experiments and get the PROOF ( either way it flies ) on video and disseminate it to the world ?

Hi Polly,

I sent this video to Arnie Gunderson of fairewinds.com, to Dr. Mark Sircus of IMVA.info and to Alex Jones... wanting to get some honest feedback. Dr. Sircus was the only one who responded.


Yes have watched the first half and he seems so credible....but I
would rather trust people like Dr. Boyd Haley then this guy....because
if you believe him then there is no such thing as dangerous
material...heavy metals, nuclear or not.....if plutonium is safe then
its ok to inject mercury in babies...ok to put fluoride in water....if
you believe him then there is no such thing as a poison since the most
poisonous substances are safe......turns the world upside down....will
listen more but....................

Mark

I don't have any other information at this moment. And apparently no one else is taking this seriously.

[sdv]

The power stations are there, wouldn't it be more beneficial to make sure there is no waste and that the engineers are doing there job properly to ensure we get what we paid for?

Too true. It seems that it is not nuclear power that is the problem but human error, human falliability.

Personally, I would not want to live within 20 km of a nuclear power station because, within that zone, it is darn dangerous if something goes wrong (with a high probability of fatality). But then I would not want to live that close to a power station fuelled by coal either! With the use of technology in medicine, electricity generation, food production, etc. there seems to be a total disregard for risks, and humans and the environment seem to be seen as acceptable collateral damage.

However, those who are educated, informed and intelligent enough to think for themselves can personally take action to protect themselves from these risks, for the most part anyway. It is the ignorant and stupid who are at the most risk and who take no responsibility when things go wrong. That may be a harsh thing to say, and the following may be even more harsh: since there is a huge part of any population who is ignorant, uninformed, stupid or in victim mode, should not an accountable government then take extra care in the use of technology?

There is a nuclear power station more than 80 km from where I live, so I am not in the risk zone, but many thousands of people are if something goes wrong and accidents are part of human nature. Only a handful of those people attend the community safety meetings held by the nuclear facility four times a year (literally not enough to fill a room). Surely the nuclear plant should distibute information to everyone within danger zones (face the fact that most people - and most of the surrounding population are young families - will refuse to be informed and take responsibility for keeping themselves safe when they have chosen to live in a danger zone unless you ram it down their throats, regularly).

[Kimberley]

*****

I just did a google search on Galen Winsor this morning and found that more things are popping up. The first thing I clicked on was a thread on another forum about Galen and have just spent the past hour reading it...and Ben Williams son, JoeyFord< on the forum contributes his experience knowing Galen also..


Here is the thread link

http://universalspectrum.org/forum/showthread.php?955-The-Nuclear-Scare-Scam-Galen-Winsor


They found a few things we did not. This is the most interesting that i found and I have not had the time to get through it yet...

http://www.utimes.pitt.edu/?p=20431


Obituary: Bernard L. Cohen

Professor emeritus of physics Bernard L. Cohen died March 17, 2012. He was 87.

A Pittsburgh native, Cohen served as an engineering officer in the U.S. Navy in the Pacific theatre during World War II.

After his service, Cohen completed his undergraduate studies in 1944 at then-Case Institute of Technology. He earned a master’s degree in 1947 from Pitt and a PhD from then-Carnegie Institute of Technology in 1950. Cohen’s dissertation was titled “Experimental Studies of High Energy Nuclear Reactions.”

He worked as a group leader for cyclotron research at the Oak Ridge National Laboratory from 1950 until 1958, when he joined the Pitt faculty as an associate professor of physics and chemistry. He was granted tenure in 1959 and was named professor in 1961. He also held adjunct professor appointments at Pitt in chemical and petroleum engineering, radiation health and environmental and occupational health.

He served as the director of the University’s Scaife Nuclear Laboratory, 1965-78.

Cohen retired from Pitt in 1994 as professor emeritus of physics.

In addition to his specialty in nuclear physics, Cohen’s research areas included health effects of radiation; societal risks and risk aversion; radon levels in homes, and energy and the environment.

He served on a number of national energy committees, panels and advisory boards. He also supervised the measuring of radon levels in 350,000 homes.

Author of six books, including the textbook “Concepts of Nuclear Physics,” and more than 300 journal articles, Cohen lectured widely in the United States and internationally and made more than 50 television appearances, including interviews with Barbara Walters, William F. Buckley, Charlie Rose and Geraldo Rivera.

In a 1989 article titled “The Myth of Plutonium Toxicity,” Cohen famously challenged activist Ralph Nader: “I offered to eat as much plutonium as he would eat of caffeine, which my paper shows is comparably dangerous, or given reasonable TV coverage, to personally inhale 1,000 times as much plutonium as he says would be fatal.”

Nader did not take up the challenge.

In a 2005 interview with RSO (Radiation Safety Officer) Magazine, Cohen recommended to the scientific community: “Don’t be enslaved to the linear-no threshold theory of radiation-induced cancer; it is almost certainly not valid and over-estimates the risks from low-level radiation. … As a nation, we are wasting tens of billions of dollars cleaning up little bits of radiation. The worst thing is that we are largely giving up on nuclear energy because of this.”

In the same interview, Cohen listed his hobbies as ballroom dancing and golf; his favorite food as chocolate and his pet peeve as “the media.”

Among several awards, Cohen received the American Physical Society Tom Bonner Prize for Nuclear Physics in 1981, the American Nuclear Society Public Information Award in 1985 and the Health Physics Society Distinguished Scientific Achievement Award in 1992.

He was elected to membership in the National Academy of Engineering in 2003.

Cohen is survived by his children, Donald, Judith, Fred and Ernie Cohen; 10 grandchildren; two great-grandchildren, and his partner, Ann Ungar.

Memorial contributions may be made to a charity of the donor’s choice.



And here is the link to the article :


]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]] THE MYTH OF PLUTONIUM TOXICITY [[[[[[[[[[
Bernard L. Cohen (1/3/1989)
By Bernard L. Cohen, Department of Physics, University of
Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 15260.

(From Karl Otto Ott and Bernard I. Spinard, eds. Nuclear Energy
(New York: Plenum Press, 1985), pp. 355-365)

http://www.fortfreedom.org/p22.htm

This is just the beginning of the article...

Plutonium is constantly referred to by the news media as ``the
most toxic substance known to man.'' Ralph Nader has said that a
pound of plutonium could cause 8 billion cancers, and former
Senator Ribicoff has said that a single particle of plutonium
inhaled into the lung can cause cancer. There is no scientific
basis for any of these statements as I have shown in a paper in
the refereed scientific journal Health Physics (Vol. 32, pp.
359-379, 1977). Nader asked the Nuclear Regulatory Commission to
evaluate my paper, which they did in considerable depth and
detail, but when they gave it a ``clean bill of health'' he
ignored their report. When he accuses me of ``trying to detoxify
plutonium with a pen,'' I offered to eat as much plutonium as he
would eat of caffeine, which my paper shows is comparably
dangerous, or given reasonable TV coverage, to personally inhale
1000 times as much plutonium as he says would be fatal, or in
response to former Senator Ribicoff's statement to inhale 1000
particles of plutonium of any size that can be suspended in air.
My offer was made to all major TV networks but there has never
been a reply beyond a request for a copy of my paper. Yet the
false statements continue in the news media and surely 95% of the
public accept them as fact although virtually no one in the
radiation health scientific community gives them credence. We
have here a complete breakdown in communication between the
scientific community and the news media, and an unprecedented
display of irresponsibility by the latter. One must also
question the ethics of Nader and Ribicoff; I have sent them my
papers and written them personal letters, but I have never
received a reply.

Let's get at the truth here about plutonium toxicity. We
begin by outlining a calculation of the cancer risk from intake
of plutonium (we refer to it by its chemical symbol, Pu) based on
standard procedures recommended by all national and international
organizations charges with responsibility in this area, and
accepted by the vast majority of radiobiomedical scientists.


and this is the end of the article:

It is often argued that there is a great deal we do not know
about Pu toxicity. While this may be true, one would be
hard-pressed to name another public health issue that is as well
understood and controlled. Surely it would not be air pollution
from burning coal, which is a million times more serious a
problem. Surely it is not food additives or insecticides or such
[the dangers from these have also been greatly exaggerated] that
may well be doing real harm to our health. Pu hazards are far
better understood than any of these, and the one fatality per 300
years they may someday cause is truly trivial by comparison.
In spite of the facts we have cited here, facts well known in
the scientific community, the myth of Pu toxicity lingers on.
The news media ignore us, and prefer to continue scaring the
public at every opportunity. They don't recognize the difference
between political issues on which everyone is equally entitled to
an opinion, and scientific issues, which are susceptible to
scientific investigation and proof. The myth may linger forever.

[polly1022]

Dr. Sircus is making remarkably absurd leaps of illogic. Wow. That's like saying, if one cat scratches a person we will ban all pets. He certainly insulted your intelligence with that response. At least you tried. Something needs to be done on a larger scale though. Physically send the discs with the info to every nuclear scientist and radio/tv hosts we can find. Mind you, I' still on the ropes but I do think it warrants attention. My computer abilities are limited at the moment and I have no printer. Not sure how soon my situation will be remedied. We might get more attention if a number of us physically sent letters and disc info. They'd feel more pressured to look at it. We need names and addresses.

[Kimberley]

*******************

I just found a text interview with Galen Winsor from January 24. 2001

This is a link to a pdf file the interview starts in page 22:

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=19&ved=0CGsQFjAIOAo&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fourwinds10.net%2Fsiterun_data%2Fspectrum%2Fvolume2%2Fpdf%2F021301.PDF&ei=yCgpUP-RMIG26wGl6YCwBA&usg=AFQjCNHgqI-V4ehxdbXi_3ni2sifvoy15w&sig2=reN2eLV5bA6wfdol9m_6Aw

This is just the beginning...

INTERVIEW WITH NUCLEAR POWER
EXPERT GALEN WINSOR
On January 23, The SPECTRUM received a
phone call from one of our respected
subscribers recommending that we speak with
nuclear energy expert Galen Winsor, who has
been a frequent guest on Tom Valentine’s radio
program over the last decade. Galen Winsor
has been around the nuclear power scene for
decades, and he knows quite a bit about the
true costs and politics of electrical generation
that are not being mentioned in the controlled
media versions of the current California
“emergency” situation that can rapidly spread to
other areas.

We know you will agree with us that this is
not only an insightful conversation in terms of
revelations of greed, but an extremely timely
and important one—particularly if his
recommendations are noticed by those truly
efforting to get to the bottom of this so-called
“emergency” in California.

In a telephone interview conducted on
January 24, here is what Galen Winsor had to
say about electricity and the so-called energy
“crisis”.

Martin: We received a call from one of
our subscribers, and he suggested I have a
conversation with you, on the record, about the
current energy shortage.

Winsor: [Laughter] What shortage?

Martin: Out here in California they keep
leading us to believe that there is an electricity
shortage. I understand you might feel that is
not the case?

Winsor: Electricity is not just a commodity.
What they are talking about is electrical
generating capacity. And if you’ve got
capacity, you have to use it. They haven’t
been using it.
To answer your question, is Rancho Seco
operating and on-line in Lodi, California? Is
Humbolt Bay? How about Diablo Canyon?
How about San Onofre, I & II?

Martin: You’re mentioning these nuclear
facilities?

Winsor: Yeah, and if you’ve got a nuclear
facility and you don’t use it, then it’s your own
damn fault.

Martin: Do you think there is a conspiracy
among those involved in the power companies
to withhold power in an effort to glean profit?

Winsor: I can name the date when it
started. The 28th of March, 1979, at Three
Mile Island-II

[ljwheat]

Dr. Sircus is making remarkably absurd leaps of illogic. Wow. That's like saying, if one cat scratches a person we will ban all pets. He certainly insulted your intelligence with that response. At least you tried. Something needs to be done on a larger scale though. Physically send the discs with the info to every nuclear scientist and radio/tv hosts we can find. Mind you, I' still on the ropes but I do think it warrants attention. My computer abilities are limited at the moment and I have no printer. Not sure how soon my situation will be remedied. We might get more attention if a number of us physically sent letters and disc info. They'd feel more pressured to look at it. We need names and addresses.

I see your point and affirm that all this and more has already been done, and why all this information has been resurrected, in a timely manner as it has.

I for one firmly believe that everything is as it should be. I woke up exactly at the time I should have. You woke up exactly as and when you should have. This thread arose at the right time.

Being an evangelist setting out to change the world ---NO -- had you tried this approach on me before I was ready -- no -- when the inner spark, source, guiding light decides for any,- and that includes the rest of the world when one should or should not wake up is not in our reformed new intelligence.

This information needs to get out I understand that, and it did --- and is -- I got it -- You got it. Making a statement that a “lot of the information in this thread has been band”-- to the general public will get more response than trying to shove it down there throats.

The world is waking up as it should just like we did why are we in such a big hurry. The world waited for us to show up and wake up. It waited for me and you countless times in stages of our awareness every day were alive and are truly listening. Its about free will. Let the world have its free will.

Ever listen to a reformed drunk. That’s what we sound like to the un - awakened world.

And besides stepping into the space or bubble of someone else’s free will. Is not our place. Pull the log out of our eye’s practice on ourselves first, and leave the speck in the eye or the world alone.

This is similar to the old bewitched show with Gladice Cravett’s across the street, always poking her nose were it doesn’t belong. Rather show your light by living it expressing it ----- and may be some one will sit up and take notice and ask as this thread is doing for us in real time.

Don’t become a Jehovah witness of I’m awake your not parrot. That shove people away as I have found out.

And I agree this is paradigm breaking information and this forum is a very good place to bring it back into the light of day.

If you can’t have it.--- you then want it. ------------:der:

If you say don’t walk on the grass with a singe -- get ready for it to be trampled. ------------:der:

Ban it, and everyone want’s a good look.----------:der:

Stand on a soap box preaching to the world, -- they pass you by with out a glance.-----:der:

I’m just saying we need to seriously look at the approach and why its not being heard. The dynamics why this and other truths are bigger than the well based truth presented here.:amen:?

Or a drama Polly Anna or Polly Joe in my case. :yuck:

John xoxo :grouphug:

[Andrew]

As a child my School took us for a day trip to Sellafield nuclear reprocessing site, here is the Wikipedia link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sellafield). Its an interesting read, pro or con I'm just sharing for the info.

[ljwheat]

As a child my School took us for a day trip to Sellafield nuclear reprocessing site, here is the Wikipedia link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sellafield). Its an interesting read, pro or con I'm just sharing for the info.

I see in the picture of the cooling towers all the wasted heat, that could be captured and distributed to all the resident of the town. Free hot water for every one, just pass it around, but NO - we must tax you, -- charge you, or just throw it away. Nice article Andrew.

John xoxo

[Rocky_Shorz]

For those of you who are here at Avalon following this thread, the reason the world is so hot is the Jet stream has been shut down...

now I know, radiation sounds scary coming from a nuke disaster, so for all of you Indigos that decided to shut down the winds coming from that direction for safety, the world needs them flowing...

please watch this video if you haven't yet so your consciousness will pass it along the grid to others...


ps. use Sunscreen, it is more harmful... ;)

[ljwheat]

For those of you who are here at Avalon following this thread, the reason the world is so hot is the Jet stream has been shut down...

now I know, radiation sounds scary coming from a nuke disaster, so for all of you Indigos that decided to shut down the winds coming from that direction for safety, the world needs them flowing...

please watch this video if you haven't yet so your consciousness will pass it along the grid to others...


ps. use Sunscreen, it is more harmful... ;)

LOL ------------- "?" -------- :nono: --- Thanks fore bumping the thread!

Up date = Now I get it - good point - shutting down the jet stream of radiation fear circulating the world, but to say the world needs this fear - why?-- The controllers day has come to an end. Including the AI’s in hiding.

And yes, we’ve seen this video before, No thanks, and vitamin D only hurts if you get to much to soon Naturally.

Hiding behind word manipulation is not necessary, or showing up as a shadow in the wind is counter productive. IMO John xoxo :clap2:

[ljwheat]

*******************

I just found a text interview with Galen Winsor from January 24. 2001

This is a link to a pdf file the interview starts in page 22:

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=19&ved=0CGsQFjAIOAo&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fourwinds10.net%2Fsiterun_data%2Fspectrum%2Fvolume2%2Fpdf%2F021301.PDF&ei=yCgpUP-RMIG26wGl6YCwBA&usg=AFQjCNHgqI-V4ehxdbXi_3ni2sifvoy15w&sig2=reN2eLV5bA6wfdol9m_6Aw

This is just the beginning...

INTERVIEW WITH NUCLEAR POWER
EXPERT GALEN WINSOR
On January 23, The SPECTRUM received a
phone call from one of our respected
subscribers recommending that we speak with
nuclear energy expert Galen Winsor, who has
been a frequent guest on Tom Valentine’s radio
program over the last decade. Galen Winsor
has been around the nuclear power scene for
decades, and he knows quite a bit about the
true costs and politics of electrical generation
that are not being mentioned in the controlled
media versions of the current California
“emergency” situation that can rapidly spread to
other areas.

We know you will agree with us that this is
not only an insightful conversation in terms of
revelations of greed, but an extremely timely
and important one—particularly if his
recommendations are noticed by those truly
efforting to get to the bottom of this so-called
“emergency” in California.

In a telephone interview conducted on
January 24, here is what Galen Winsor had to
say about electricity and the so-called energy
“crisis”.

Martin: We received a call from one of
our subscribers, and he suggested I have a
conversation with you, on the record, about the
current energy shortage.

Winsor: [Laughter] What shortage?

Martin: Out here in California they keep
leading us to believe that there is an electricity
shortage. I understand you might feel that is
not the case?

Winsor: Electricity is not just a commodity.
What they are talking about is electrical
generating capacity. And if you’ve got
capacity, you have to use it. They haven’t
been using it.
To answer your question, is Rancho Seco
operating and on-line in Lodi, California? Is
Humbolt Bay? How about Diablo Canyon?
How about San Onofre, I & II?

Martin: You’re mentioning these nuclear
facilities?

Winsor: Yeah, and if you’ve got a nuclear
facility and you don’t use it, then it’s your own
damn fault.

Martin: Do you think there is a conspiracy
among those involved in the power companies
to withhold power in an effort to glean profit?

Winsor: I can name the date when it
started. The 28th of March, 1979, at Three
Mile Island-II

:gaah: Great find Kimberly, on both articles, each piece adds a tremendous amount of validating evidence for this thread coo doo’s Kimberly great work.

John xoxo :cantina:

[TargeT]

I've been trying to find more about 28 March 1979 ( 6 months before I was born!) and haven't been able to find a lot of useful info.. I'm facinated by historical "conspiracy"; for example: every war the US has ever been a part of has been precursed by a false flag (and most of them are declassified & easily found now... not that anyone seems to care...)

if anyone has some info on this topic from other-than-main-stream-sources I'd be apreciative (anything you've got, I can discern ;) )

[ljwheat]

Stand corrected removed my statement of off topic Sorry -T- John

[ljwheat]

:bump:

ejCQrOTE-XA

[Kimberley]

I've been trying to find more about 28 March 1979 ( 6 months before I was born!) and haven't been able to find a lot of useful info.. I'm facinated by historical "conspiracy"; for example: every war the US has ever been a part of has been precursed by a false flag (and most of them are declassified & easily found now... not that anyone seems to care...)

if anyone has some info on this topic from other-than-main-stream-sources I'd be apreciative (anything you've got, I can discern ;) )

This is a valid question and indeed a very important one too, and needs looking into on its own thread. And am sure the Mod’s will help you move this to its own thread.

Keeping this thread clean and on track, I would ask that a proper decorum be maintained. John xoxo :focus:

John I am not sure why you say this is off topic? March 28 1979 is the day of the Three Mile Island nuclear reactor incident.

And Target the precursor to adding fear to TMI incident was the release of the movie "The China Syndrome". Galen talked about his involvement with the movie in several of the interviews posted here in this thread...

I thought the movie came out months before the TMI incident I just now see it was only 12 days before... I saw the movie when It came out... so when TMI happened and my whole family except me was 80 miles away from TMI and I was in Miami I was very very afraid..one of the most fearful moments in my life...

I only saw the movie once...so now seeing the trailer is funny as I forgot Jane Fonda's news reporter roles name was Kimberly...interesting.

MOVIE TRAILER -- "THE CHINA SYNDROME" Release date March 16, 1979

_MvOqyIt_Ug

[ljwheat]

Thank you Kimberly i stand corrected. sorry -T- the date didnt ring any bell in my memery sorry. John xoxo

[TargeT]

the precursor to adding fear to TMI incident was the release of the movie "The China Syndrome". Galen talked about his involvement with the movie in several of the interviews posted here in this thread...

I thought the movie came out months before the TMI incident I just now see it was only 12 days before... I saw the movie when It came out... so when TMI happened and my whole family except me was 80 miles away from TMI and I was in Miami I was very very afraid..one of the most fearful moments in my life...

I only saw the movie once...so now seeing the trailer is funny as I forgot Jane Fonda's news reporter roles name was Kimberly...interesting.

MOVIE TRAILER -- "THE CHINA SYNDROME" Release date March 16, 1979

_MvOqyIt_Ug

once you know what to look for it becomes a bit obvious doesn’t it? at least the formula seems easier to spot for me now anyway (problem, reaction, solution etc...)

the media involvement before / after false flags is very telling & probably a bit more "sloppy" in the late 70's compared to now but at the same time finding that material is difficult at best.

I'll have to give "the china syndrome" a watch, I'm not very current on movies pre 1990 (with a few exceptions of course).

I'm mostly interested in information on the TMI incident itself, from what I've read so far it was colossal human error (which makes me look for my tinfoil hat....) and especially any regulatory changes that happened shortly afterwards.. perhaps not enough was done so 7 years later Chernobyl (which was also colossal human error... interesting.....?) perhaps was needed? Maybe I'm stretching a bit to connect those two dots but I think further investigation is warranted.

[Kimberley]

*********

Yes targett further investigation is what we are doing... and yes in the late 70's the propaganda was there and not as slick as it is today... because so many have been waking up all these years... how fun is that???


Much love!!!

[Kimberley]

**************

This relates to this thread... Interesting...

60Z3AdaT5a8

[gooty64]

Well how was it Grip? Scam or no scam...

Also, I am wondering if Bill Ryan has given this matter any attention. With his contacts and being in the whistleblower business and being an intuitive, I am eagerly anticipating his take on Galen Windsors validity too.

This is either blockbuster revelation or govt. dis-info campaign. I am leaning to the latter but don't know honestly.

Much is at stake for me as I live under 10 miles from a Nuke power plant and am considering moving soon- largely because of the close proximity of the nuke plant.

Another question: Has this Galen Windsor info/videos just popped up this year or has it been available all along?


I decided to read this entire thread before watching the video. There are several things I’ve surmised and I’ll post them here:

1. Nuclear fission is the ultimate discovery of a process of free energy, and the ability to extract a few materials (depleted uranium) which were very important for the shadow black ops and many life affirming applications.

2. Electrical generation of power is just a cover for what nuclear reactors are really used for.

3. There might be an added ingredient in the process of nuclear fission which was inserted to create a chemical reaction to cause a false sense of radiation, when no actual radiation occurs from the pure process.

4. This is one of the biggest cover-ups of this century

5. Galen Windsor’s discoveries were released prior to Chernobyl or Three Mile Island, and those two events could have been staged false flags to keep the cover up alive, generate fear around nuclear plants, and to discredit the truth.

Needless to say, I have more questions than answers now as my head is spinning with 50 years of programming. When I was 8 years old, we used to have nuclear bomb drills in school where the sirens would go off and we had to crawl under our desks, put our heads in our lap, fold our hands over our heads, and pray to Mother Mary and Jesus, and ask for forgiveness and prepare for death.

This was all a scam? I put nothing past those evil bastards who run this planet, who understand human nature and just how to manipulate it better than anyone. This will, like others have suggested, require much corroborating evidence though in order to bust the trail wide open and purge that programming from my system, but here goes. Going to listen to the video.

We’ll see how I feel after watching it.

[4evrneo]

Wow ! Interesting stuff. My father retired from Los Alamos and I would make a HUGE bet that even my father wouldnt believe this. (he believes the media wouldnt lie) Makes me wonder what else the ptw are doing to inflate taxes, insurance, etc. Im copying this vid right now.

Annette

[Kimberley]

Galen's video was posted on Ben Williams web site over a year ago...someone found it and put in up on youtube a few months ago...

I would love to have Bill Ryan look at this thread also...however if he has he has made no comment on it...

Much love! :grouphug:

[ljwheat]

A lot of commerce and industry has sprang up around this fear of radiation since the cold war, just a little 5th grade science and common sense would go a long way in dispelling the scam that’s been pushed on the populous of the world, trying to keep free energy like nuclear power hidden behind unfounded fear.

Did you know that with out nuclear power that there would not be life on this planet. In school we learned all about how wonderful nuclear radiation from our sun is the life force behind everything that grows on this planet.

Yet setting off a bomb and searing that image into our brains has effectively killed our sense of common sense in this matter. The following video will explain this in detail how the wool has been pulled over the eye’s of the world for a reason, and that’s keeping free energy off the market and out of our hands.

And replaced it with fear. There is more radiation coming from our sun every minute of the day than what is feared coming from Japan. A Million fold per square inch more, and with out it we would die.

People, people please wake up. Remember what the Sun is and bring your brains back on line. You’ve been scammed.

ejCQrOTE-XA

[Bo Atkinson]

As the OP is based on a man who said he made his own observations...

I would like to see if any additional people or groups of people are making additional observations in support of Galen's observations.

I've already forgotten the the exact observations made with the specific elements or isotopes or which forms of radiation were involved.

Which instruments or apparatus were used and the method also, (the scientific methods, if these merited such a description).

Then there was the other promotions for other nuclear tech, the real impact of which on our troubled planet is still not clear to me.

The science that stays with me here is that we really need a new map of radiation phenomena and effects on biology and matter.

We need to take science back out of the ivory tower and away from weird priesthoods.

Not holding my breath however as the brainwashing and widespread-hijacking on this planet is confusing every issue, (for the time being).

Obviously some forms of radiation are benign and other forms range through broad gradients to shear destruction of life and stable-elements.

There appears to be no clear mapping of this. Instead we have confusion along with amazement.

As to public disclosures of a writer and another first hand experiencer, here is a woman who wrote a book. I just listened to her interview with Helen Caldicott, M.D:

http://ifyoulovethisplanet.org/?p=6122

Quote from this webpage which has many referenced links:

This week’s guest is Kristen Iversen, author of the new book, Full Body Burden: Growing Up in the Nuclear Shadow of Rocky Flats, published this month by Crown Books in the U.S. and Random House in the U.K. Read the press release about the book. Watch the book trailer here. Iversen is Director of the MFA Program in Creative Writing at The University of Memphis, and also Editor-in-Chief of The Pinch, an award-winning literary journal. She grew up in Arvada, Colorado near the Rocky Flats nuclear weapons facility, and currently lives in Memphis. As background, read Iversen’s March 10 New York Times opinion piece, Fallout. Also read Naomi Wolf’s 2012 article From Rocky Flats to Fukushima: This Nuclear Folly and The day Denver was nearly lost. During the interview, the research of Carl John is mentioned. Read the Wikipedia entry Radioactive contamination from the Rocky Flats Plant which states that “An early, focused study by Dr. Carl Johnson, health director for Jefferson County, showed a 45 percent increase in congenital birth defects in Denver suburbs downwind of Rocky Flats compared to the rest of Colorado.” Iversen mentions the book The Plutonium Files by Eileen Welsome. She also refers to this map showing the Rocky Flats contamination zone (note: large file size). A compressed version of the same map can be seen here. For more information, be sure to see the recently re-released 1983 documentary, Dark Circle. The Emmy Award-winning film includes much footage of the Rocky Flats plant and its radioactive pollution of neighborhoods around Denver.

[ljwheat]

As the OP is based on a man who said he made his own observations...

I would like to see if any additional people or groups of people are making additional observations in support of Galen's observations.

I've already forgotten the the exact observations made with the specific elements or isotopes or which forms of radiation were involved.

Which instruments or apparatus were used and the method also, (the scientific methods, if these merited such a description).

Then there was the other promotions for other nuclear tech, the real impact of which on our troubled planet is still not clear to me.

The science that stays with me here is that we really need a new map of radiation phenomena and effects on biology and matter.

We need to take science back out of the ivory tower and away from weird priesthoods.

Not holding my breath however as the brainwashing and widespread-hijacking on this planet is confusing every issue, (for the time being).

Obviously some forms of radiation are benign and other forms range through broad gradients to shear destruction of life and stable-elements.

There appears to be no clear mapping of this. Instead we have confusion along with amazement.

As to public disclosures of a writer and another first hand experiencer, here is a woman who wrote a book. I just listened to her interview with Helen Caldicott, M.D:

http://ifyoulovethisplanet.org/?p=6122

Quote from this webpage which has many referenced links:

This week’s guest is Kristen Iversen, author of the new book, Full Body Burden: Growing Up in the Nuclear Shadow of Rocky Flats, published this month by Crown Books in the U.S. and Random House in the U.K. Read the press release about the book. Watch the book trailer here. Iversen is Director of the MFA Program in Creative Writing at The University of Memphis, and also Editor-in-Chief of The Pinch, an award-winning literary journal. She grew up in Arvada, Colorado near the Rocky Flats nuclear weapons facility, and currently lives in Memphis. As background, read Iversen’s March 10 New York Times opinion piece, Fallout. Also read Naomi Wolf’s 2012 article From Rocky Flats to Fukushima: This Nuclear Folly and The day Denver was nearly lost. During the interview, the research of Carl John is mentioned. Read the Wikipedia entry Radioactive contamination from the Rocky Flats Plant which states that “An early, focused study by Dr. Carl Johnson, health director for Jefferson County, showed a 45 percent increase in congenital birth defects in Denver suburbs downwind of Rocky Flats compared to the rest of Colorado.” Iversen mentions the book The Plutonium Files by Eileen Welsome. She also refers to this map showing the Rocky Flats contamination zone (note: large file size). A compressed version of the same map can be seen here. For more information, be sure to see the recently re-released 1983 documentary, Dark Circle. The Emmy Award-winning film includes much footage of the Rocky Flats plant and its radioactive pollution of neighborhoods around Denver.

There are probably more reports out there to keep the fear alive and well, and most are tied to the all mighty dollar bill, on the other hand common sense is the greatest evidence available in a world of almost total distortion money generator.

Between ww11 bombing of Japan, two “A” bombs dropped releasing radiation, hundreds of above ground BOMB testing releasing a combined unbelievable total amount of radiation and fall out.

Yet the two city’s in Japan and the rest of the world is still thriving, the hydrogen build up and pressure explosion at Japans and Russia’s accident released no fall out, and if there was compared to the release of bombs testing would equal a fart in the wind.

Common sense is the first thing to die in the face of fear. Doing the math what is released in a nuclear blast ?

Verses a release of pressure build up of heat and steam from a melt down ? A bubble pop compared to a bomb release of radiation and fall out?

You don’t need an expert to do the math, and exercise a little gray matter. Just the amount of evidence on this thread alone is not enough to cure stupid, in giving away our power to so called experts that wipe the buts just like we do.

[Andrew]

Which is cleaner Nuclear power or Coal power?

If we had to pick between the two for our energy, which one would you pick?

What are the records for all the pollution for burning coal?

Why did they BAN the burning of coal in towns and cities in England?

Why did they close most of the coal mines?

If we cant handle the Nuclear power properly why the hell are they going to give us a newer more potent energy source to get our electric?

If we had this so called free energy could we do more damage with it then Nuclear?

Is the more cleaner energy solutions more dangerous without better experience?

Are we ready for better technologies?

[TargeT]

Which is cleaner Nuclear power or Coal power?

You are going to have to carefully define "clean" as that is currently a politicized word that means almost nothing anymore...



If we had to pick between the two for our energy, which one would you pick?

Nuclear HANDS DOWN (LFTR to be specific)



What are the records for all the pollution for burning coal?

we are going to have to carefully define "pollution", same reasons as "clean"



Why did they BAN the burning of coal in towns and cities in England?
I'd guess for air quality issues mostly?



Why did they close most of the coal mines?
do you know something I don't ? I'd guess due to lack of demand??



If we cant handle the Nuclear power properly why the hell are they going to give us a newer more potent energy source to get our electric?
"we" have never had nuclear power, we have had Yellow cake refineries that make power as a secondary function, but that is NOT nuclear power.



If we had this so called free energy could we do more damage with it then Nuclear?

We are going to have to define "damage" here also....



Is the more cleaner energy solutions more dangerous without better experience?

"Clean" again eh?


Are we ready for better technologies?

Are we ready for what we have now?

[scanner]

Which is cleaner Nuclear power or Coal power?

You are going to have to carefully define "clean" as that is currently a politicized word that means almost nothing anymore...



If we had to pick between the two for our energy, which one would you pick?

Nuclear HANDS DOWN (LFTR to be specific)



What are the records for all the pollution for burning coal?

we are going to have to carefully define "pollution", same reasons as "clean"



Why did they BAN the burning of coal in towns and cities in England?
I'd guess for air quality issues mostly?



Why did they close most of the coal mines?
do you know something I don't ? I'd guess due to lack of demand??



If we cant handle the Nuclear power properly why the hell are they going to give us a newer more potent energy source to get our electric?
"we" have never had nuclear power, we have had Yellow cake refineries that make power as a secondary function, but that is NOT nuclear power.



If we had this so called free energy could we do more damage with it then Nuclear?

We are going to have to define "damage" here also....



Is the more cleaner energy solutions more dangerous without better experience?

"Clean" again eh?


Are we ready for better technologies?

Are we ready for what we have now? http://technologygateway.nasa.gov/media/CC/lenr/lenr.html

[TargeT]

LENR (E-cat comes to mind) could work. LENR is "cold fusion" and at least with the E-cat it doesn't even involve nuclear isotopes.

seems like we are on the cusp of a few tech's that will drastically change the world (and what is CURIOSITY running on??)

LENR (low energy nuclear reaction... much more PC than "cold fusion" haha..) is working and functional (though no power production units are made that I know of other than possibly the "e-cat" if it turns out to be real)

LFTR (Liquid Fluoride Thorium Reactor) was a power production method that ran for over 10 years in the 40's & seems like the most obvious choice (to me)

who knows which will come out on top, China is perusing LFTR so maybe that will.

[TargeT]

Latest E-cat test:


LEONARDO CORPORATION

REPORT ON THE INTERNAL TEST PERFORMED ON THE “HOT CAT”



Report date: October 9th 2012

NOTICE : THIS REPORT IS ISSUED BY LEONARDO CORPORATION, NOT BY A THIRD PARTY. TESTS PERFORMED BY AN INDEPENDENT THIRD PARTY WILL BE RELEASED UPON COMPLETION OF THE SAME.

IN THE PRESENT REPORT, WE ARE PRESENTING DATA OBTAINED BY US THROUGH A PARALLEL TEST PERFORMED WITH THE SAME INSTRUMENTATION USED BY SAID THIRD PARTY, ON THE SAME REACTOR, THE SO-CALLED “HOT CAT”.

PLEASE CONSIDER THESE FIGURES AS THOSE WE REASONABLY EXPECT TO SEE CONFIRMED IN THE FORTHCOMING INDEPENDENT THIRD PARTY TEST.

THE REACTOR WAS MANUFACTURED IN THE USA.

MEASUREMENT INSTRUMENTATION WAS CHOSEN SUBSEQUENTLY TO THE SWEDISH TEST PERFORMED ON SEPT. 6TH.

MEASUREMENTS WERE THEREFORE PERFORMED WITH THE MAXIMUM POSSIBLE PRECISION, AVOIDING THE USE OF AMP CLAMPS AND VOLTMETERS, IN PLACE OF WHICH THE INSTRUMENT DESCRIBED IN ATTACHMENT # 2 (MODULATED BY A VARIAC INSTEAD OF A TRIAC POWER SOURCE) WAS USED.

DATA

Please take note of the data format: a period “.” is used to indicate the decimals and a comma “,” to indicate the thousands, not vice versa as in many countries; for instance, 2,000.00 means “two thousand point zero hundredths”.

REACTOR DESCRIPTION

The reactor is a cylinder having the following dimensions:

Length: 33 cm

Diameter: 8.6 cm

(See photos in the Penon Report attached)

Surface: 891 cm2

The internal cylinder has been eliminated; energy measurements were performed on the external surface only, through the Stephan-Boltzmann equation.

Weight without charge: 4331 g

Weight before test: 4351 g

Weight after test: 4350 g

Charge weight: 20 g

Test started: Sept 25th at 08.00 AM

Test completed: Oct 9th at 08.00 AM

Total duration of the test: 336 hours

OPERATION

Time from reactor startup to full power: 4 hours

Reactor shutdown time: 4 hours

Net operation time for stabilized reactor: 328 hours

TEMPERATURES

Average room temperature: 25 °C

Temperature reached after 4 hours: 1050 °C

Average temperature for the following 328 hours: 1050 °C

POWER CONSUMPTION

Self-sustaining mode operation, total time: 118 hours

Peak power consumption: about 5 kW

Average power consumption: about 2.4 kW (two point four kW)

TOTAL ENERGY CONSUMED

kWh 278.4

ENERGY PRODUCED

T(°K)4 = 2.838 * 1012

Wh = 2.838 * 1012 * 5.67 * 10-8 * 8.91 * 102 * 10-4 = 14.337 Wh * h-1 (fourteen point three hundred and thirty-seven kWh per hour)

TOTAL ENERGY IRRADIATED

kWh 3.268

COP

3.268/278.4 = 11.7 (eleven point seven)

POWER DENSITY

163.4 MW * kg-1 (one hundred and sixty-three point four MWh per kg)

(see the Ragone Plot at p. 15 of the Penon Report attached)

INSTRUMENT USED FOR MEASURING

TEMPERATURE ON THE EXTERNAL SURFACE:

Optris PI 160 Camera (see Attachment 1)



INSTRUMENT USED FOR MEASURING POWER

CONSUMPTION DURING THE TEST

Tursdale Technical Services, PCE-830 (See Attachment 2)



EXTERNAL REACTOR SURFACE COATING

Black paint, proprietary formulation, resistant up to 1200° C, made specifically for Leonardo Corp. by Universokrema, Treviso, Italy.

This test is under scrutiny by an independent third party.

DIRECTOR OF THE TEST:

DR. ANDREA ROSSI

CEO

LEONARDO CORPORATION




http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/10/update-andrea-rossi-provides-corrected-pordenone-hot-cat-report/


Go LENR GO!

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Happy to see this post appear again, it was recently unstickied and the motivation for doing so was it was not posted on for about a month or so, i thought this was and still is very strange, there are thousands of threads on Avalon that are not posted on for two years, i wish this was a sticky thread again.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

A lot of commerce and industry has sprang up around this fear of radiation since the cold war, just a little 5th grade science and common sense would go a long way in dispelling the scam that’s been pushed on the populous of the world, trying to keep free energy like nuclear power hidden behind unfounded fear.

Did you know that with out nuclear power that there would not be life on this planet. In school we learned all about how wonderful nuclear radiation from our sun is the life force behind everything that grows on this planet.

Yet setting off a bomb and searing that image into our brains has effectively killed our sense of common sense in this matter. The following video will explain this in detail how the wool has been pulled over the eye’s of the world for a reason, and that’s keeping free energy off the market and out of our hands.

And replaced it with fear. There is more radiation coming from our sun every minute of the day than what is feared coming from Japan. A Million fold per square inch more, and with out it we would die.

People, people please wake up. Remember what the Sun is and bring your brains back on line. You’ve been scammed.

ejCQrOTE-XA

Bump for the video, and i dont know what the sun is, nuclear or electromagnetic, i have never been to the sun so i am just guessing here all i know its hot and provides light for seeing sh!t during daytime and its needed for photosynthesis that grows my salad( i like that in the suns i know and i respect them for that, as a matter of fact, some of my best friends are suns, i worship my friends too) , thats good enough for me, i need sun regardsless of what its made of or what it radiates, i also think its really funny that a CME is only problematic when there are electronics and such to the best of my knowledge, a few hundred years ago you would not even notice if one occured (CME) oyeag right, its a funny day and the sun is burning a bit today, my tomatoes leaves look a bit curly, that would be about it.

[Rocky_Shorz]

bumped for 665 plumber... :bump:

[778 neighbour of some guy]

bumped for 665 plumber... :bump:

Thanks Rocky, should be up here all the time, i am still thinking everybody should see this.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Maybe a new category should be set up for hidden truths like this under general discussion so they are never buried...

Tesla Secrets... Sabbath of Electronics...
recycling Nuke Material...

beyond Newton...

[Kimberley]

Well 665 and whomever else wants to help keep it on the front page we can take turns bumping it :bump:

And FYI I have an interview scheduled with M.T. Keshe coming up December 10th. I just got a date on that yesterday and have been back and forth with his secretary for a couple of weeks.

When I get closer to the date I will start a thread asking for questions.

And when I first contacted M.T. Keshe I asked him if he would view the Galen Windsor video... his secretary wrote "For the record Mr. Keshe, out of respect, will never give his views concerning the work of any of his colleagues."

I am not finished with perusing this with M.T. Keshe. I know we all sure would love to hear what someone like M.T. Keshe would have to say about this....

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Maybe a new category should be set up for hidden truths like this under general discussion so they are never buried...

Tesla Secrets... Sabbath of Electronics...
recycling Nuke Material...

beyond Newton...

Yeah those and then some, the alt meds/scie thread is riddled with very important posts, so is the off grid thread, i really dont give a rats ass who is in power or wherever aliens come from and whatever they are doing here if i cannot eat or promote my health, i am not breatharian yet so i need basics and skills first to survive, thats what this forum is for, correct? No matter whats brewing for us, we need to be alive to experience the change in our current meat suits, thats why we are here imo. Damn Ed why so serious?:(

[Referee]

Well 665 and whomever else wants to help keep it on the front page we can take turns bumping it :bump:

And FYI I have an interview scheduled with M.T. Keshe coming up December 10th. I just got a date on that yesterday and have been back and forth with his secretary for a couple of weeks.

When I get closer to the date I will start a thread asking for questions.

And when I first contacted M.T. Keshe I asked him if he would view the Galen Windsor video... his secretary wrote "For the record Mr. Keshe, out of respect, will never give his views concerning the work of any of his colleagues."

I am not finished with perusing this with M.T. Keshe. I know we all sure would love to hear what someone like M.T. Keshe would have to say about this....

Kimberley great idea. I look forward to your interview you did such a wonderful job with G.K. Keep up the good fight I for one will be tunning in. Do we have any more evidence that Mr,. Windsor's material is correct ?

[ljwheat]

Hay every one, been off playing on another web site for a while, as this one got a little depressing with all the Drama threads were kind of avalanching all the really important ones like this one, and uncovering the poisons like Stanton’s in food and drugs there feeding us, GMO’s and remedies, but killing the cold war fears of radiation for me was at the top, almost like finding the corner stone in the house of cards. Pulling that one out -- and the hole house start to come apart. Thanks Kimberley, Rocky_Shorz, 665 plumber, Referee, TargeT, for starting this push at a very big lie.

John xoxo

[Rocky_Shorz]

Well 665 and whomever else wants to help keep it on the front page we can take turns bumping it :bump:

And FYI I have an interview scheduled with M.T. Keshe coming up December 10th. I just got a date on that yesterday and have been back and forth with his secretary for a couple of weeks.

When I get closer to the date I will start a thread asking for questions.

And when I first contacted M.T. Keshe I asked him if he would view the Galen Windsor video... his secretary wrote "For the record Mr. Keshe, out of respect, will never give his views concerning the work of any of his colleagues."

I am not finished with perusing this with M.T. Keshe. I know we all sure would love to hear what someone like M.T. Keshe would have to say about this....

what bothers me about Keshe is his feeling that Iran's current rulers are "good guys" it ruins the whole message knowing they have hung and stoned 35,000 people since they took over the country. as long as they are in power, there will never be peace in this world...

I will stand behind him when he adds them to the must step down from power list...

sky weapons can wipe out his facility 16 seconds after he turns it on, he isn't that advanced... or safe...

[Kimberley]

Ya know what Rocky I hear what you are saying however we all have our own beliefs and we stick with what is familiar and feels safe. I have so learned that there really is no right or wrong it is all about differences. And we each need to be comfortable with who we are. And be true to ourselves...

I heard that Iran has not gone to war with any one since 1700 hundred something. The US goes to war every 10 years or so?? Whats up with that??

And the other thing is that we have been told SO MANY lies and it is hard to know what is truth or fiction so we have to keep our eyes on the prize and do our part to be the change we want to see in the world and that is the best we can do... Judge not lest you be judged is one of the greatest truths I know....


Much love to us all!!! :grouphug:

[gooty64]

I live only about 7 miles from this Nuclear power plant. It's an important thread to me.


Prairie Island Nuclear Power Plant
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Prairie Island Nuclear Generating Plant



Location of Prairie Island Nuclear Generating Plant
Country United States
Location Red Wing, Minnesota
Coordinates 44°37′18″N 92°37′59″WCoordinates: 44°37′18″N 92°37′59″W
Status Operational
Commission date Unit 1: December 16, 1973
Unit 2: December 21, 1974
Licence expiration Unit 1: August 9, 2033
Unit 2: October 29, 2034
Owner(s) Xcel Energy
Architect(s) Fluor Pioneer
Reactor information
Reactors operational 2 x 548 MW
Reactor type(s) pressurized water reactor
Power generation information
Annual generation 8,914 GW·h
Website
Xcel Energy - Prairie Island Nuclear Generating Plant
As of 2011-06-30
The Prairie Island Nuclear Generating Plant is an electricity-generating facility located in Red Wing, Minnesota along the Mississippi River, adjacent to the Prairie Island Indian Community reservation. The nuclear power plant, which began operating in 1973, has two nuclear reactors (pressurized water reactors) manufactured by Westinghouse that produce a total 1,076 megawatts of power. Units 1 and 2 are licensed to operate through 2033 and 2034, respectively.
The plant is owned by Northern States Power Company (NSP), a subsidiary of Xcel Energy, and is operated by Xcel Energy.
It is one of two active nuclear facilities in Minnesota and has proven to be the most controversial due to the storage of nuclear waste in large steel casks on-site, an area which is a floodplain of the Mississippi.
In April 2008, Xcel requested that the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) renew the licenses of both reactors, extending them for an additional twenty years. The license renewals were approved in June 2011.[1][2]
The company has also requested the use of a similar storage system at its Monticello plant, which is currently licensed through 2030.
In May 2006 repair workers at the plant were exposed to very low levels of radiation due to inhalation of radioactive iodine-131 (131I) gas. The gas leaked from the steam generators, which were opened for inspection. 131I gas is normally removed by means of a carbon-based filter; in this case the filter had developed a small leak. The NRC deemed this event to be of very low safety significance and notes that it did not result in any overdose.[3]
Contents [hide]
1 Surrounding population
2 Spent fuel storage
3 Seismic risk
4 See also
5 References
6 External links
[edit]Surrounding population

The Nuclear Regulatory Commission defines two emergency planning zones around nuclear power plants: a plume exposure pathway zone with a radius of 10 miles (16 km), concerned primarily with exposure to, and inhalation of, airborne radioactive contamination, and an ingestion pathway zone of about 50 miles (80 km), concerned primarily with ingestion of food and liquid contaminated by radioactivity.[4]
The 2010 U.S. population within 10 miles (16 km) of Prairie Island was 27,996, an increase of 4.6 percent in a decade, according to an analysis of U.S. Census data for msnbc.com. The 2010 U.S. population within 50 miles (80 km) was 2,945,237, an increase of 7.8 percent since 2000. Cities within 50 miles include Minneapolis (39 miles to city center) and St. Paul (32 miles to city center).[5]
[edit]Spent fuel storage

NSP had initially intended to send radioactive waste to a storage facility operated by the United States federal government, but no such site is yet open for use (the Yucca Mountain nuclear waste repository is under construction, but following heavy opposition is no longer considered an option by the Obama Administration). In 1991, the company requested permission from the Minnesota Public Utilities Commission to eventually store waste in 48 dry casks on the site. Opposition by environmentalists and the neighboring Prairie Island tribe led the Minnesota Legislature to decrease the number of allowed casks to 17, enough to keep the plant operating through approximately 2003.
Eventually, those casks filled, and Xcel Energy requested that the limit be expanded beyond 17 casks. The legislature granted the request, but required the company to make greater use of renewable energy such as wind power and to pay the local Indian community up to $2.25 million per year to help with evacuation improvements and the acquisition and development of new land and to help pay for a health study and emergency management activities.
[edit]Seismic risk

The Nuclear Regulatory Commission's estimate of the risk each year of an earthquake intense enough to cause core damage to the reactor at Prairie Island was 1 in 333,333, according to an NRC study published in August 2010.[6][7]
[edit]

[Kimberley]

I live 26 miles from the Seabrook Nuclear Power Plant, Seabrook, NH

[ThePythonicCow]

Ok - I made this thread sticky again - grumble, grumble :).

I am not really a fan of the "Sticky Thread" mechanism ... there are so many threads that present critical (from some perspective or other) information, that if we made them all sticky, then sticky threads would take multiple pages of the new post listings.

Nor am I a great fan of this particular thread, as my gut sense is that Galen Winsor is overplaying his position here ... arguing that radiation is even less dangerous than it really is.

So there is a good chance that sometime, months down the road, I will unstick this thread again, when I am making one of my periodic passes over sticky threads, to unstick the less active ones.

Such is life.

:) :cow: :)

[gooty64]

Hi Kimberley,
Did you notice in the bold on my above post how the spent fuel is piling up and nowhere to go as originally planned.
Also, there is steam cloud above the nuclear plant most everyday--even on clear days. When they are not chemtrailing my area which is 40 miles from Minneapolis International airport.
So much for leaving the ratrace and moving to the country;)

[gooty64]

What happened to all of the Sticky Earthquakes?
Those sounded even worse than regular ones.

PS, Paul, I hear you about this thread on Galen Windsor. It just doesn't add up. Why would a whistleblower video show up 25 years after the fact?
What could be the reason?
And no corroborating information. hmm


Ok - I made this thread sticky again - grumble, grumble :).

I am not really a fan of the "Sticky Thread" mechanism ... there are so many threads that present critical (from some perspective or other) information, that if we made them all sticky, then sticky threads would take multiple pages of the new post listings.

Nor am I a great fan of this particular thread, as my gut sense is that Galen Winsor is overplaying his position here ... arguing that radiation is even less dangerous than it really is.

So there is a good chance that sometime, months down the road, I will unstick this thread again, when I am making one of my periodic passes over sticky threads, to unstick the less active ones.

Such is life.

:) :cow: :)

[Kimberley]

Hey thank you Paul for making this thread a sticky again!!! And Gooty...did you listen to my interview with Ben Williams? It is posted in this thread.

In 1985 when Galen was lecturing it was a WAY different world than it is now...they had no way to share the information as we do now in the information age. So to the credit of the youtuber that found this information and posted it we were able to find it now...

Please remember we are in the end of the apocalypse "the time of revealing". The time of having revealed what has been hidden form us. So the Galen information was out there since 1985 but has now resurfaced in the time of the revealing...

I am doing my best to get more confirmation.

Much love!

[TargeT]

Hi Kimberley,
Did you notice in the bold on my above post how the spent fuel is piling up and nowhere to go as originally planned.
Also, there is steam cloud above the nuclear plant most everyday--even on clear days. When they are not chemtrailing my area which is 40 miles from Minneapolis International airport.
So much for leaving the ratrace and moving to the country;)

is it from the cooling towers?

You can call that "fraud waste & abuse", that's the blatant in-your-face sign that the plant is just there for weapons manufacturing and NOT power ( else why would they waste ANY heat, it could all be used to turn turbines for power)




What happened to all of the Sticky Earthquakes?
Those sounded even worse than regular ones.

PS, Paul, I hear you about this thread on Galen Windsor. It just doesn't add up. Why would a whistleblower video show up 25 years after the fact?
What could be the reason?
And no corroborating information. hmm


I'm not sure what you mean by "showing up 25 years after the fact" & why do you feel there is a lack of corroborating evidence? I think the only evidence presented in this discussion is contrary to what we have been told by the nuclear regulatory committee. can you elaborate more on your doubts?

Yes radiation (like all things) can be bad at certain high doses, but it is not "bad at any level" as we are lead to believe. (I'd call that sentence a summary of the thread)

[Rocky_Shorz]

this was too important not to add it to this thread...




OK, and here is an example of a serious article, tell me if this has a little more grit...

In fact, this is related to the article I had mentioned so many posts ago, about the guy who studied the Fukishima Plant [Jim Stone], and confirms a lot of what Fulford is saying from a completely independent and different perspective... I knew it would come up... and didn't even have to look for it, because it's OUT THERE! And this one is a hard one to put down, there is a mountain of evidence, and real witnesses... the context is huge. Stuxnet was covered by by alternative AND mainstream media (check out TED presentation on Stuxnet... they were trying to give the US credit for it)

And this is what makes me question the naysayers, where's your theory for debunking this? let me guess... Fulford pays this guy to say it?... all kidding aside here is the article, and more serious research, more probing interviews... for the faithful ... enjoy...






BUSTED!!!!

"FEDERAL GOVERNMENT"
BUSTED FOR FORCING AMERICAN NUCLEAR INDUSTRY
TO BECOME A TICKING TIME BOMB

(and a depleted uranium bomb manufacturer to boot... shame on you Corporate America!)

by Jim Stone Freelance Journalist
- (who was also interviewed by Kerry Cassidy on this same topic btw... I'm with Kerry on this one...
[Jim Stone On Project Camelot Radio w Kerry Cassidy (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43130-Jim-Stone-on-Project-Camelot-Radio-with-Kerry-Cassidy)]
MzQM6x-t8sw
( - JIM STONE, former NSA top technical analyst now on the run and seeking asylum from the U.S. in Mexico, reveals the real events behind Fukushima and the possible connection with recent nuclear power plant problems at San Onofre in Southern California and in the Midwest, Chicago area... )




Here is the link to this article:
http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/busted.html
(btw, I included all the same highlights and bolding and added the same links back in as the original article...)

You have been told the nuclear waste must go somewhere. You have been told it needed to be stored inside a mountain in the desert, where it will sit as a threat and menace to the world for millions of years. You have been told there is nothing we can do about it. But what if you have been told a lie? What if that "spent fuel" was not spent at all? What if a technology existed which allowed the same fuel to be used over and over, twenty times in fact, and expended so fully that fuel rods would be safe enough to handle directly straight out of the reactor? Think any "spent fuel pools" would be full? And even if this never happened,

What if foreign nations, (France was one) offered us hundreds of billions of dollars for our "spent fuel" only to have the U.S. Government refuse the offer for no reason at all? Would that not solve the problem of getting rid of it? And the final question, WHY would the Fed want so much nuclear material sitting around the country, only to become a menace? Could it be that we do not have a government, and instead have a band of usurpers in power who have intentionally set us up for a fall? After reading this report, I believe you will be inclined to think so.

This report consists of hard scientific fact, and even harder answers

In my journey of discovery in my investigation into the Fukushima disaster, I interviewed an 85 year old nuclear engineer who worked in the nuclear industry during America's glory days, and earned GE over 100 patents. He was one of the engineers who designed Fukushima, so naturally when conducting a real investigation into such a disaster a responsible journalist would want that type of reference. I was surprised when my prior study of the reactor systems there was so thorough that he had no information about Fukushima I did not already dig up, and he was very surprised when I told him details about the inner workings of the reactor he never expected anyone in the media to know.

When I started to think I was going to walk away with nothing, he dropped a bombshell on a totally different subject. He opened his new direction of the discussion with the phrase "My team succeeded in closing the nuclear loop, and Carter [Presidents are corporate puppet heads] banned our miracle with an executive order (http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/order.html)

Here is what followed that introductory line, and the reason why we need to oust the FED and start over.

The following is what he said in the interview
I started in the American nuclear program all the way back at the time of the Manhattan project, and have been involved in reactor design and nuclear engineering my whole life. There was one answer we all searched for, and it was how to close the nuclear loop.

When a reactor such as a boiling water reactor uses fuel, the waste products, which are highly radioactive isotopes that have a different fission characteristic than the fuel, build up in the fuel and poison the nuclear reaction. A reactor such as a boiling water reactor can only use the fuel until it gets contaminated by these isotopes enough to change the nature of the nuclear reactions taking place. The reaction environment inside a boiling water reactor is only one such environment that will work to trigger a chain reaction, and if that spent fuel is put into a reactor made from different materials, those materials can favor the burning of the poisonous isotopes, and use the isotopes as fuel until the fuel is purified of them, and therefore had it's original radiological characteristics restored. Once that is accomplished, the fuel can go back into the boiling water reactor, and used as new.

We perfected the second reactor design, which used liquid sodium as a coolant, and the reactor ran much hotter - 1100 farenheit as opposed to 550 in a boiling water reactor. The liquid sodium circulated inside the reactor in lieu of water, with the heat of the reaction being removed from the system by a heat exchanger which boiled the water outside the reactor for use in producing electricity. The temperature difference and coolant characteristics facilitated the burning of the isotopes, and you got to use both sides of the reaction - one side produced electricity while poisoning the fuel, and the other side produced electricity while burning the poisons out. This process can be repeated 20 times, and when it is finished the fuel is DEAD and no longer hazardous because all of it's radiological potential has been used up. It was a dream come true, and Carter banned it by executive order!

He specifically stated that the burn down was so complete that the spent fuel was safe to handle directly with bare hands, and needed no special care or maintenance at all.

He then went on to lament about what a waste of money it was, because the fuel is expensive, and they were only using it to about five percent of its total potential. He lamented the fact that his life's greatest accomplishment got banned for no good reason, and it was a tremendous waste of money to not use the technology his team developed. Electricity would have been cheap. REAL CHEAP. So cheap that homes would not have been heated with oil or natural gas, electricity would have been the only sensible choice. Furthermore, with a reduction in the price of electricity by at least 10X, electric cars would have been a no brainer.

This would have been America's free energy future, with the only real cost being maintenance of infrastructure.

His take on it was that we were now paying too much for electricity. I guess that's how an engineer thinks. He had read my article on Fukushima and liked it, so one would guess his eyes were open to the global conspiracy. Even still I think he missed the obvious in what he said.

Here is my take, and it has NOTHING to do with price, preservation of resources, or free energy.

Nuclear reactors are HUGE. They have an enormous amount of nuclear material in them. One boiling water reactor core the size of the ones at Fukushima can easily hold enough fissionable material to make countless atomic bombs. And with the technology that makes re-using that fuel illegal, it builds up at a rate of 25 tons per gigawatt YEAR. This means that even small facilities like Fort Calhoun have approximately a million pounds of highly radioactive "poisoned" fuel sitting in their pools waiting for the right combination of problems to cause a disaster.

When GE and others designed the nuclear facilities both here and abroad, they had calculated that they would indeed succeed in closing the nuclear loop. So they designed the nuclear facilities with approximately a 20X safety margin in the fuel pools, because they did not have a clear date on when the technology would be perfected. It was my impression from this engineer that they got it sooner than expected. So fortunately the fuel pools were over built. But they were never built to withstand the fuel burdens that would result from a political decision to destroy the technology altogether.

So now, 40 years down the road, we have fuel pools around the country that are so full that they have exceeded even the extremely generous safety margins they were originally designed to have, and even modest pools often have over 400 tons of highly active isotope ridden "spent" fuel in them.

Having functional fuel pool cooling systems was never intended to be necessary. GE and others wanted one or two cores worth of fuel sitting in a pool at any one time. This would make it so that even if all cooling failed, there would be no boiling of the water in the pool, no pending disaster possible from equipment failure no matter how severe. But the way it is now, if there is any sort of attack or disaster which prevents fuel pool maintenance at any of the facilities around the country for a period exceeding three days, all hell will break loose and a nuclear disaster of unimaginable magnitude just like Fukushima will take place. And it never needed to be this way, in fact, the situation is criminal.

Upon recognizing the lunacy of America's Federally mandated nuclear sabotage, countries like France and Germany stepped up to the plate offering to buy our 5% spent fuel for billions of dollars. Heck, they were not held political hostage by a hostile government, and could certainly use a "freebie". But instead our government mandated NO transport of the fuel to foreign nations, NO FURTHER USE WHATSOEVER. Use it 5 percent, leaving 95 percent of the radiological hazard remaining, and please let it build up in a pool that needs maintenance. Shills have said it was the import/export restrictions which caused this, but since those are written by the same government that banned the closing of the "nuclear loop", the restrictions are only a further indictment of the FED for causing this problem.

Simultaneous with the intentional building of the threat from having so much nuclear material sitting around came all the government scandals and lies about needing to put the fuel somewhere. Inside a mountain in the desert. Inside a dry cask. Maybe in the ocean, all the while the general american public was kept oblivious to the obvious answer: If we are not allowed to use it because of a nonsensical piece of legislation, why not let someone else have it, when they are willing to EVEN PAY FOR IT?

Here is what I believe is the answer. And this answer needs to be spread far and wide.

Whatever you think of Kennedy, on the day of his death he was our last hope. No one since has been anything other than an enemy infiltrator, The enemy is not only inside the gates, it was getting a paycheck from you 40 years ago.

Consider this. Our government intentionally put in place policies that de-industrialized America. That's an act of war. Our government put in place policies that intentionally destroyed our schools. That's an act of war. And I consider FORCING VIA MANDATE the buildup of hundreds of thousands, if not millions of nuclear warheads worth of perfectly good reactor fuel just waiting for a disaster around the country to be an act of war as well - Only an enemy would intentionally mandate the creation of such a threat, who on earth would, other than someone who hated this country? Not only did we lose a marvelous clean virtually free energy future, that future got converted into a threat that could very easily destroy us. All it would take to kill America, with our nuclear facilities drastically overloaded with spent fuel, is 150 smart bombs. ONE BOMBING RUN AND IT IS OVER.

Here is something I posted in response to a shill, who is trolling the internet looking for any place my article on Fukushima and talk on this subject is posted, in an effort to back stab it out of the public eye. This was a tasty response, good enough to put here.

Dear 'Shillery'

This is where I am going on this topic,

Our nation, after Kennedy has not had a true representative government, especially starting with Carter. We got over-run by outsiders who hated our guts. Up until 1973, America was going NO WHERE but UP, and anyone who wanted to see us destroyed would NEVER permit us to get virtually free energy.

So once enough legs of the "vampire squid" writhed and squirmed down our hallowed halls and meeting rooms, the death squeeze was on.

The enemy from outside COULD NOT allow us to have a technology such as this, so they HAD TO shut it down. They would lose oil profits. They would potentially lose control of energy, leaving the financial system the only means of forced compliance outside of a hot war they had to use against us, and they wanted options. True clean energy HAD TO GO.

This is a sinister enemy. It weaponizes EVERYTHING. It weaponizes sympathy, victim status, water systems, ANYTHING it can think of, and uses them to destroy. SO the nuclear industry, now blocked from a dream come true technology, could be used as a weapon.

There is plenty of proof. No shill can stop people from checking out the history of other nations, such as Germany, France and Russia offering us BILLIONS for our not so "spent" fuel, which really needs to be gotten rid of after a political decision banning technologies which allow for it's purification. It has been building up now, unnecessarily for years. To the tune of 25 tons of spent fuel per gigawatt year generated. That's a lot of "waste", and it's nasty stuff. It's the equivalent of keeping a 5,000 gallon gas tank in your bedroom. Better hope all is well with it.

I honestly feel that banning this miracle technology; you should have heard the sparkle, the awe in the old man's voice when he said they closed the "nuclear loop", and the sadness, despair and anger expressed at it's being banned; I feel it was an ACT OF WAR AGAINST AMERICA. There were never any accidents associated with this technology. NONE NADA ZIP. you can take that story and stuff it. If a problem occurred it was not related to this, and how can you prove said problem was not a "wag the dog"?

This enemy wanted this fuel building up. 25 tons a gigawatt year. WOW. That means that lowly little Fort Calhoun must have no less than 400 tons of "SPENT" fuel sitting in it's little pool by now. OUCH. Just what an enemy would want; you see -

Now, all it will take is a smart bomb, a societal breakdown, a natural disaster and POOF, fuel pool goes up in smoke and AMERICA IS FINISHED. Multiply that by Browns Ferry, Prairie Island, and over 100 others all across America. Tyranny's dream come true. Just what the enemy would want, and it NEVER NEEDED TO HAPPEN.

The problem was not scientific, IT WAS POLITICAL.

I feel that man opened up and passed me the baton because he knew I would "get it" and believe me pal, SHILL, HATE AMERICA SELLOUT TO BE HUNG FROM A TREE, I will carry that baton, I will not stop with this, I got a solid dose of light from America's great past; Oh what a nation we were. Only after the likes of you are adequately flushed will we ever have hope for a future, I truly hope there is a chance;

I am spreading the word, will do it quickly, and make good and sure that if anything does blow up the blame will land squarely ON YOU.

The following text, which was posted on the Nuclear Engineering web site out at the University of Berkely California, led to the rip from a shill which follows it. They posted the picture Reference with the quote (http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/reference.jpg) "Jim Stone - STILL STUNNING THE WORLD"

This starts where I stepped into the conversation after finding them in my site stats.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Tue, 2011-06-21 08:15.

Hi, I found you in my site stats. Thanks for the support! Btw, 85 year old nuclear engineers with over 100 patents filed for GE does not constitute "teenager" let alone the (several) others in their 50's who have sent me info that is going to blow you away in the next report.

Thanks guys, I really appreciate this post.

Jim Stone

» * reply Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Tue, 2011-06-21 20:05.

Thanks Jim, looking forward to the next report. Will we be seeing it soon?

» * reply Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Tue, 2011-06-21 08:30.

Jim, it's starting to click. Thinking this scenario could be the path of least resistance.

» * reply Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Wed, 2011-06-22 05:19.

I am going to release a preliminary version of the report tomorrow before I go on the air, for people to look at for reference.

I interviewed an 85 year old nuclear engineer who worked for GE and designed the reactors at Fukushima. He had nothing new to contribute about the reactor design, ect (not that the public would understand) but after answering my questions he went on to tell me something very interesting.

You guys probably might find this hard to believe, but I am going to tell you exactly what he told me.

He said that the team he was on at GE succeeded in closing the "nuclear loop". I did not know what that was, and he went on to explain -

When fuel is consumed in a boiling water or other water cooled reactor it produces isotopes which poison the chain reaction and produce unfavorable conditions. Once the isotopes build up to a certain level - he said about 5 percent depletion of fuel, their presence becomes dominant and it interferes with proper reactor operation. So the fuel has to be pulled out.

GE was working on a technology to do away with this problem, and here is exactly how he described it. He said NOTHING about re-processing, NOTHING AT ALL. HE SAID IT JUST LIKE THIS:

You take the fuel out of the water cooled reactor and put it in a sodium cooled breeder reactor. Because the materials used in the breeder reactor favor the burning of the isotopes, (one of which was liquid sodium for cooling) and also because the reactor runs much hotter(1100 farenheit vs 550 in a BWR (I filled that in, I studied them well enough) ONLY the isotopes are burned off in the breeder reactor, and once their interfering characteristics are removed from the reaction, the fuel, at 5 percent depleted works perfect when put back into the boiling water reactor, with NO REPROCESSING NEEDED AT ALL. He said that this process could draw the fuel almost all the way down. He said it was good for 20 cycles. I don't know if 1 BWR cycle and 1 breeder cycle equals 2 cycles, it would make sense, but he was also adamant that you get a LOT of performance out of the breeder reactor, which can produce substantial power by vaporizing water in a heat exchanger during the isotope burn out. The impression he left indicated that the fuel was almost completely dead at the end of the process, though I don't know how you could get any performance out of it once it was used past 50 percent. I would expect reprocessing to be needed at that point, but that is not how he phrased it.

Carter banned this technology by executive order on his third day in office, and as a result, 25 tons per gigawatt per year have been building up in fuel pools across the country. GE never intended to have the fuel pools filled, they expected to have the technology fully perfected by the mid 70's and succeeded in this goal, only to have a political decision shut it all down.

He lamented the buidup of so much fuel at American nuclear facilities, mostly from an economic standpoint. I lamented the buildup because it is a FREAKING HAZARD. The fuel pools were NEVER designed to have so much fuel in them, GE's original intention was to have maybe TWO reactor core's worth of fuel in a pool, not 40. So the fuel pools are overloaded now, and if ANYTHING happens, a war, a collapse, ect, and the nuclear facilities are not maintained, these fuel pools will go ballistic and wreck the country.

SO

My main focus will be to try to convince people to do something about it - to overturn that executive order and allow the miracle GE created to be used to burn this fuel off, which absent selling so much fuel would require America to run on ONLY nuclear power for at least 80 years. My fear is that the legislation was put in place to weaponize America's nuclear program to be used against us in the future. It's a little hard to argue with because:

1. This technology would have extended the life of the fuel by 20X according to this engineer, which would mean that after all these years AT MOST there would be two cores sitting in each fuel pool as opposed to sometimes 40,

2. France offered to pay us billions for our "spent" fuel which is in fact very valuable, while our government instead opted to just let it build up and then pump the nuclear waste propaganda endlessly, to make people fear and hate nuclear power. There was never a need for this; with reprocessing and the "closed loop" cycle, there should not be ANY nuclear "waste" ANYWHERE. It's all a scam and hoax. According to this engineer, the reprocessing he spoke of is NOT what the French are doing now. It was a better solution.

I will be back to see if this passes muster on this forum, if anyone has any comments, NOW IS THE TIME FOR THEM, I will discuss this on THRUSDAY.

Thanks,

Jim Stone


The post got a real venomous shill response, which follows

* reply this is a fantasy

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Wed, 2011-06-22 05:49.

Like Dr. Chivers, R. Cromack and at least one other person who has posted here, I am a former U.S. Navy 'bubblehead' (submariner) who served aboard nuclear boats. I'm no longer in the service but my civilian profession keeps me "in the loop" and I deal with Electric Boat on a weekly basis, as well as techreps from GE and other defense contractors. I've heard this sort of rumor before, and it is b.s.

I've also heard scuttlebutt about some sort of "nuclear inhibitor" technology that was supposedly developed by DoD and which is now being deliberately withheld by the Navy from TEPCO and he IAEA as part of some vaguely defined U.S. power play or blackmail or the like. This is also bull****. This sort of cockamamie nonsense always seems to follow disaster, always has, ever since JFK was shot in Dallas I've been listening to some damn fool or other spout off about the Mafia or the CIA or little green men. Hard times bring the nuts falling right out of the trees.

Problem is, these idiots used to always be relegated to their bar stools or their soup kitchens or their own family's kitchen tables, and now the Internet allows them to spin their crap for all the world to see, and there are always a few fools who'll listen to them and encourage them to keep spreading lies, fallacies and hysteria. Just look at this bunch here: HAARP. That European conference. Gaia ascending whatever the hell that means. And now Jimmy Carter! Give me a break.

If I were BRAWM I'd shut this forum down and tell everyone to go screw themselves. They've been nothing but upfront with you people and all you can do is bitch and piss and moan, and question their motives and undermine them. You people are ungrateful, pathetic asses.

For the record, NO fuel cycle exists without the production of undesireable by-products. Might as well.wish for a difference engine, for all the good it'll do you. But, then, I suppose you think that big, bad private enterprise or the military or the government covered up that invention, too, right? Maybe that was President Peanut's FOURTH executive order - the first being outlawing the tooth fairy, and the second ordering an assassination of Kris Kringle.

This is the typical shillage you expect. Lots of insults, little substance.

It is important to note that President Carter was a reactor operator on a nuclear submarine. The fact that the only people shilling this "nuclear loop" are reactor operators from nuclear submarines makes their efforts reek of a psy op. Perhaps Carter himself posted to this blog, for a payoff, I am being closely watched now by powerful political figures, I have recieved notice that the Pentgon, Russia's military, India and China, those four countries are taking my Fukushima report to heart at an official level. The Pentagon probably is a threat, they have GOT to know Fukushima was a set up. I think Russia was suspicious and India and China learned from me.

My response to sub guy follows

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Wed, 2011-06-22 18:40.

So now I know what the lying opposition is. This nuclear engineer was a friend of the family, positively identified, and not some scammer. You are a bold faced liar, a psy op shill sent to shoot this story down.

Go lie elsewhere, I do not pump garbage and my facts are verified back to original sources, not second hand scoops.

You might believe the lies you have been told via an SCI level clearance, but lies are lies and that is that.

This man did not lie.

If there are any REAL nuclear engineers willing to come forward and fill in REAL details rather than be a scamming shill, I am still open to response.

Jim stone

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Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Wed, 2011-06-22 19:04.

Jim, ignore the shill. It might be Cromack actually.

Keep posting please. Keep posting please. All discussions are allowed.

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Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Wed, 2011-06-22 18:56.

It is my worry that this technology did indeed get swept under the rug, and only his team knew about it. If so, it is the job of those who work for the corrupted government to keep the truth buried.

He was very clear about it - the fuel was safe to handle directly after being burned down to virtually zero. This does make sense, because before being put in a reactor to begin with, it is not all that dangerous.

And, as a shill, it would be your job to rip me for this report. Go ahead, I am now in a position now to ram it down your throat anyway. It got back to me this morning that the Chinese DOD, Russian Defense forces, Indian defense forces and the Pentagon picked up my story and are analyzing it as I write this. So the French, Saudis and even the Island of St Lucia will be onto it soon. I figured that would happen after page views hit about 50,000 which happened LONG LONG AGO.

Update, forget that number, it's into the 7 digit range now

[scanner]

The truth will out .

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Thanks everyone for helping this post to get its sticky status back, you are the best.:o

[Rocky_Shorz]

Paul knows I can be a pest, it's easiest to just do it...

I did lol at the groans... thanks Mr. Paul...

[Kimberley]

Rocky Back in July on this thread we knew about Jim Stone and what you posted I wrote to him and I posted this July 31 however I will post it again here...now...

Well I received a very unsatisfactory response from Jim Stone...

Here is part of what I wrote to him


I have a question for you in regard to your Fukushima report. I am
a member of the Project Avalon forum and there is a thread that was
started a few weeks ago titled Galen Winsor - Nuclear power scam. I
would like for you to take a look at what we have gathered and give us
your take on what Galen Winsor had to say in the mid 80's about
Nuclear energy. I am also wondering if the 85 year old engineer that
you interviewed knew Galen Winsor and l would love to know what your
engineer has to say about Galen Winsor's information.

I gave him the link to this thread and a few links to some of the highlights of this thread of course including the video that started this thread...

Here is his response:


I can't spare the bandwidth to watch a video that long, but from the title it looks like it is probably correct. PROOF?

Russia's evacuation threshold for Chernobyl was 5 MSV/year. Yet there are areas of this world where the natural background radiation is 250 MSV/year and the people who live in those areas suffer no ill effects and live their lives normally, with normal life spans.

So now there are these butt heads saying that lower doses are more dangerous than these proven, non health harming high doses that occur naturally.

This is like saying you can run out in front of a bus and be totally fine, but don't get hit by a three year old on a tricycle.

and the high natural doses are gamma, the same as what is coming off Fukushima. Now, would I want to live at Fukushima? ABSOLUTELY NOT, I would not go anywhere near the place. But the fear scamming on ENE news is just nauseating.

So I tried... I will write to him again... However, if anyone else wants to write to him please do. james@destroythedarkness.com

Much love! :grouphug:

[ljwheat]

Yesterday I was out getting an oil change for my car, in the waiting area the TV was on the history channel, and Modern Marvels was showing one of our greatest achievements in Nuclear energy, all of it was based on the 50's cold war fear of radiation theme. its funny though everyone is still alive and well in the northern hemisphere, after the Fucashima has all but faded into silence. SSSh must not wake the kiddy's .

[ljwheat]

:bump:
Hey thank you Paul for making this thread a sticky again!!! And Gooty...did you listen to my interview with Ben Williams? It is posted in this thread.

In 1985 when Galen was lecturing it was a WAY different world than it is now...they had no way to share the information as we do now in the information age. So to the credit of the youtuber that found this information and posted it we were able to find it now...

Please remember we are in the end of the apocalypse "the time of revealing". The time of having revealed what has been hidden form us. So the Galen information was out there since 1985 but has now resurfaced in the time of the revealing...

I am doing my best to get more confirmation.

Much love!

just wanted to bump it back to the top again. today some one else tomarrow ?

[Arrowwind]

What he has to say regarding the use of radiation in medicine really rang true to me. Most people who receive radiation in medicine do not die from it...not saying that it is a good thing or without cost... and of course the consequences for children is much more severe. They know now that several CAT scans can cause problems in kids. They use to pass CAT scans out like candy, but no more for studies have revealed that they cause childhood cancer if done too much.

But what seems to be lacking, and perhaps I missed it, is the issue of very specific minerals becoming radioactive and lodging in the body. We clearly know that radioactive iodine can cause havoc. So what about all the other minerals that become radio active for a 50,000 year half life give or take?
These minerals can get lodged in the body in to physical structures, just like the iodine does.. consider strontium, cesium, selenium.
I dont even know if calcium or magnesium can become radio active as iodine does. I wonder.

It has been reported that radiation can cause bone cancer so I wonder about radioactive strontium ... strontium has an affinity for the bones.

[ljwheat]

I would like to interject that our advancement in communication has done a hundred fold more harm than giving all the credit to radiation power lines high levels of electro magnetic, and micro waves, that bubble if visible would shock even the elite. There isn’t one square inch of space you can find on this planet that isn’t bombarded with radiation of the 3d kind so we can text or run our mouths easier faster any one know the radiation levels when your click on skype, the energy and all the mechanic’s involved --- who cares right the new and improved smart phones from droid every one has to have the latest and greatest hand held toy on the market? We are killing ourselves one dollar at a time in new technology , hell stick a blue tooth in your ear no harm done right, compared to Fucashima OMG we are so insanely stupid.:lalala::tape::typing::gaah:

[Dawn]

Underexposed, What if Radiation Was Actually GOOD for You?

I would like to post again some info I have mentioned before. There is a very good indication that radiation is GOOD FOR YOU to a certain level. In fact, most people living around the globe do not get enough radiation to support their health.

There is a book which details all of this. It mentions scientists who are aware of this and deliberately keep uranium in their homes and/or wear radioactive pendants to help supply their bodies with a health supporting dose.

This wonderful book is now being published again and you can get it for under $6.00. Copies of the older books are much more expensive, so there might be some information left out of the recently re-published book. Here is the link on Amazon.com: http://www.amazon.com/Underexposed-What-Radiation-Actually-Good/dp/0930073355/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1350802357&sr=1-1&keywords=underexposed

[ljwheat]

Underexposed, What if Radiation Was Actually GOOD for You?

I would like to post again some info I have mentioned before. There is a very good indication that radiation is GOOD FOR YOU to a certain level. In fact, most people living around the globe do not get enough radiation to support their health.

There is a book which details all of this. It mentions scientists who are aware of this and deliberately keep uranium in their homes and/or wear radioactive pendants to help supply their bodies with a health supporting dose.

This wonderful book is now being published again and you can get it for under $6.00. Copies of the older books are much more expensive, so there might be some information left out of the recently re-published book. Here is the link on Amazon.com: http://www.amazon.com/Underexposed-What-Radiation-Actually-Good/dp/0930073355/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1350802357&sr=1-1&keywords=underexposed

Thank you so much Dawn for this info really appreciated.

And since this thread is back up as a sticky it would really help a lot to keep it at the top of the page a lot longer with anything you have to contribute.

Spreading it out over a period of time and other’s taking turns in bumping this will keep it alive at least on this site long enough for more people like my self to wake up this insane scam the governments of the world have and are continuing to play on the masses.

What we could really use is another present day whistle blower like Mr. Winsor to pick up the torch once again, now with the internet and alterative news in place.

I feel would explode on the scene a lot faster and farther than it did 20 years ago.

John xoxo

[TargeT]

What we could really use is another present day whistle blower like Mr. Winsor to pick up the torch once again, now with the internet and alterative news in place.

I feel would explode on the scene a lot faster and farther than it did 20 years ago.

John xoxo

The credentials that Mr Winsor had were a big part of his presentation, finding someone that had that kind of experience that wasn't brainwashed to radiation fear might be difficult; I could jump on stage and eat plutonium but people would just think I'm crazy and brush me off due to my lack of industry experience.


more videos like this are helpful perhaps?
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[Dawn]

Ijwheat: Thank you so much Dawn for this info really appreciated.

And since this thread is back up as a sticky it would really help a lot to keep it at the top of the page a lot longer with anything you have to contribute.

Spreading it out over a period of time and other’s taking turns in bumping this will keep it alive at least on this site long enough for more people like my self to wake up this insane scam the governments of the world have and are continuing to play on the masses.

I agree, keeping this thread active so that others might discover how they have been duped by TPTB is very important. TPTB have spread fear and lies about this topic- most people are completely caught by these.

My partner was able to get hold of some natural Uranium rocks. These are one of our prize possessions and they live in a glass crock in the cupboard with our dishes. It looks like this:
http://img3.targetimg3.com/wcsstore/TargetSAS//img/p/12/70/12705098.jpg
The scientist who authored the book 'Underexposed' recommended that an apple which had been placed in the jar for a week with the uranium ore be taken out, washed, and eaten weekly. There is a great deal of evidence that this will improve a persons health, longevity and overall vitality.

I must admit that we have been forgetting to do the apple routine, yet we still have the benefit of some very 'hot' rocks that live in our little home with us. From Galen Winsor's demonstration we probably are getting less radiation than we thought, because the glass crock walls likely prevent the radiation from escaping.

[Bo Atkinson]

The "natural radiation" near a waterfall or perhaps even radon from granite in my area of the world might ultimately prove benign, i have to wonder too. I dare stay naive.

Yet this thread lacks more of the authoritative links or evidence or clearly supportive key word searches to help backup the words of Galen...

Just yesterday, RE eating plutonium, i heard a very strange context. In what may be a hotter issue around nukes...

Interesting source for more nuke-info-scamming??

http://freedomslips.com

11th show listing on the page: douglasdietrich/

http://freedomslips.com/upload/douglasdietrich/

click on or save to downloads: det10092012.mp3

From 58 mins onward, is a description of making the Fat Man Bomb (WWII).

Related is how the scientists were playing with the very-rare and short-supply of plutonium... Some of it escaped and was breathed in by a scientist.... Strange story only remarks how it was all retrieved for the big rush-order, for that bomb....

Main point provided here, for this thread, is that here might be another report of actually ingesting plutonium..... There might be significant evidence available, but the source was not expanded there...

Most of this show was about theft from Los Alamos. See also:
http://www.implosionatlosalamos.com/index.htm

(google: walp + dietrich also bringsup more links to explore.)

[778 neighbour of some guy]

who cares right the new and improved smart phones from droid every one has to have the latest and greatest hand held toy on the market? We are killing ourselves one dollar at a time in new technology

And those nice tablets on your lap, sterilizing us one nut or ovary at a time, dont forget those, they even got to the next generation through OUR shriveling balls and numb ovaries before they even get born.

[TargeT]

I plan on heading to Utah in the next few months if at all possible, I'll be stopping by a Uranium mine there to pick up some good "hot rocks", maybe I'll make a pendant out of one.

[Kimberley]

I am pleased to post my interview with Mr Mehran Tavakoli Keshe, director and founder of The Keshe foundation.

My primary reason for contacting him was to get his views about the claims of the late Galen Winsor, a nuclear physicist of renown who worked at, and helped design, nuclear power plants in Hanford, WA; Oak Ridge, TN; Morris, IL, San Jose, CA; Wilmington, NJ. Among his positions of expertise he was in charge of measuring and controlling the nuclear fuel inventory and storage.

Galen Winsor traveled and lectured all over America, spoke on national talk radio, and made several videos exposing the misunderstood issues of nuclear radiation. He shows that fear of radiation has been exaggerated to scare people ... so a few powerful people can maintain total control of the world's most valuable power resource. This lecture was filmed by Ben Williams in 1986.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejCQrOTE-XA

(note I am listening to this lecture again as I type this and it just stopped at about 48 minutes in...I had to move a bit ahead in the red line to get it to play again... it is important to view the whole video. I downloaded a copy of this so if you can not get the whole lecture to play let me know and I will help you out.)

Mr Keshe has agreed to view this lecture after January 14, 2013. I am very grateful for all of the contributions Mr Keshe is giving to the world! I am also looking forward to Mr Keshe's view of the claims Galen Winsor made.

Here is a link via send space to download my interview with Ben Williams that I did to confirm his relationship and understanding about Galen Winsor, interview conducted in July of 2012:

Description: Ben Williams

Use the following link to retrieve your file:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/l16gvo


Click on the blue box with the words "Click here to start download from sendspace" in it. do not click any other download buttons.

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Here is the link to the YouTube post of my interview with Mr Keshe.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUH77PtVvm8

Thank you for your comments and for sharing this interview!!!!


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Here is a link via send space to download an mp3 file of my interview with Mr Keshe:

Description: Mr Keshe Interview

Use the following link to retrieve the file:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/9gntmy

Click on the blue box with the words "Click here to start download from sendspace" in it. DO NOT click any other download buttons!

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I would love to hear your views about the Galen Winsor claims and you view of the interview with Mr Keshe>

Thank you and much love to us all, always in all ways!

Kimberley