a new level...maybe?

[crosby]

i had a dream the other night. a dream that i was living my dream. what if we are actually dead, now, in this reality, and we live when we sleep?
regards, corson

[Eagle Eye]

Death is a proccess to a new reality.

[<8>]

Thanks Corson..

In my view, you are in a dream now, and this dream is one of the more dense dreams. (3D)
So when you leave this dream and for example go to (4D), as most of us do every night. Everything becomes more REAL!, and (3D) actually feels like the dream.

The mind will not accept this easily because everything feels real right, well we even know through science that though we call this the physical there are nothing that is physical.
And when I use the word "DREAM" it's just lack of a better word.

If you die right now! you just leave this dream (experience) that's all, and you carry on probably in (4D) there this dream becomes yet another fading memory.
Or you give it another go in (3D), I won't!, if anyone else wants, fine!

So you are right in a way, because there are many that experience (4D) as "finally" this is "life" like it should be.
We are so conditioned right now, so have you not consciously experienced (4d) and remember it here and now in this dream.
It's hard to accept that we are in the pain dream right now, as some would call it.

[Mark]

Sounds like that series, "Lost".

I like the world I visit during sleep better anyway.

[markpierre]

That's really sweet Corson. And such an important topic. Thanks.

My first experiences with lucid dreams were well before any 'illuminating' experiences. But how impacting they were.

The sense that 'I'm awake, but yet I'm dreaming', and a better one 'I can control these scenarios', simply by choosing to.
And also, 'as I go further and further into this dream, I seem to have less and less control'. Is that a hint of something?
Do I want control? may be a better question. I don't know what I'm trying to learn.

Why would that be? Is the thought system used in dreaming different somehow? It's just experience, rather than an engaging with the dream?
And when we try to 'take control', do we somehow revert to our 'waking dream' thought system, where our programing and education somehow disempowers us?
'Controling' and organizing is not our natural function. But 'experiencing' is a part of our functioning. It's interesting.

And then when we wake up, we seem powerless again. The day becomes much like the problems and concerns of yesterday.
It's all very strange. I can take control of my waking life and I can manifest whatever I like and I know that, and still,
I don't know what I'm trying to learn, because I haven't learned it yet.
As we become more and more lucid in 'this dream', do we stay aware of the distance between the dreamer, and the characters and the
scenarios being portrayed? Or do we lose ourselves and our awareness in the plot?
If even for nanoseconds, those are part of eternity too.

I think that it's a bit of a trick, all the years of discipline that it took to learn to lay down at night and wonder
'what was that day about?' the same way we wake up and wonder about the meaning of our night time dreams.
And even to be able to look at everything and anything with the question first 'what is the purpose in this?'
What am I being shown? Or 'how did that experience change me?'

You'll have to trust me on this, but I can promise you that it's true. The difference between Reality and the sleepwalking we call 'life',
or if you like 3D and even 4D ( I don't agree with those distinctions) is as distinct as alive or dead.

Life is joy and freedom without opposite. That's how we are made, and what we will inherit as the fact of the matter.
We get glimpses in our day to day, and in our night time dreaming,
But you can't hide from the death that 'is' when our thoughts are turned in on ourselves.

God bless you Corson, you always orient me beautifully when you post. Do you do that on purpose?

[crosby]

thanks everyone. i have enjoyed reading your responses. markpierre, this is where i become more confused: during what we normally experience as sleep/dream time, we do have the ability to change the sequence of events. an example would be if i were dreaming a horrific nightmare, i could simply awaken (or sometimes, not so simply), or 'change the channel' and dream another dream. it seems so complex and yet so simple. i have had dreams where i am speaking and interacting with a loved one who has passed on, and yet, it feels so real and i want to stay there, in that moment, but, i end up right back in my bed, waking up in this reality. when i am in dream/sleep phase or mode, i have different capabilities that i cannot bring back with me into this awake/life mode. many times, i cannot recall with any clarity what i have experienced while being in the dream/sleep state.

thank you all again. most interesting responses.
warmest regards, corson

[crosby]

<8>, why is it that we come back to this 3D level all of the time? this is where i become even more confused. if we are lightbeings, as many believe we are, wouldn't we be more comfortable all of the time in another dimensional capacity? what is it that holds us here in this dimension?
warmest regards, corson

[Realeyes]

<8>, why is it that we come back to this 3D level all of the time? this is where i become even more confused. if we are lightbeings, as many believe we are, wouldn't we be more comfortable all of the time in another dimensional capacity? what is it that holds us here in this dimension?
warmest regards, corson

Great Question Corson & 8!

What draws us back imho, is Magnetism - everything we ‘start’ (whatever that may be) the ‘Soul’ requires a ‘finishing point’ - an ‘ownership’ and ‘wisdom’ gained from the experience we started. This in 3D is our ‘Gravity’ and ‘Inertia’ that is in our Energy Fields (Aura).

Here is a simple example of this is, as to how I understand it. If I ‘lie’ to someone, I create a black hole/void in my energy fields that reads – ‘not owned/unrealised’. This has now created ‘gravity’, meaning I will need to re-address this another time (magnetism).

Hope this helps in this grand discussion. :love::hug:

[Eram]

<8>, why is it that we come back to this 3D level all of the time? this is where i become even more confused. if we are lightbeings, as many believe we are, wouldn't we be more comfortable all of the time in another dimensional capacity? what is it that holds us here in this dimension?
warmest regards, corson

Bashar talks of this 3D realm as a school to learn to become masters of limitation, because that is what we experience on many levels here on earth. Limitation.
Not to be found on such a level in the higher vibrational worlds.

[crosby]

<8>, why is it that we come back to this 3D level all of the time? this is where i become even more confused. if we are lightbeings, as many believe we are, wouldn't we be more comfortable all of the time in another dimensional capacity? what is it that holds us here in this dimension?
warmest regards, corson

Great Question Corson & 8!

What draws us back imho, is Magnetism - everything we ‘start’ (whatever that may be) the ‘Soul’ requires a ‘finishing point’ - an ‘ownership’ and ‘wisdom’ gained from the experience we started. This in 3D is our ‘Gravity’ and ‘Inertia’ that is in our Energy Fields (Aura).

Here is a simple example of this is, as to how I understand it. If I ‘lie’ to someone, I create a black hole/void in my energy fields that reads – ‘not owned/unrealised’. This has now created ‘gravity’, meaning I will need to re-address this another time (magnetism).

Hope this helps in this grand discussion. :love::hug:

this is something that i can certainly understand. and it makes sense. as an adult, i have left behind the childish responses of my past. when we are young we sometimes create non-truths to fit in with greater ease to fit the mold of who we know. to gain peers. your understanding of why we are here makes sense to me. finishing and owning and changing what we have done in our past. shoot! i cannot remember all of the things that i have done or said throughout my earlier life. looks like i may be here for a while loosening the magnetism that i perhaps may have created. thanks Realeyes.
warmest regards, corson

[crosby]

<8>, why is it that we come back to this 3D level all of the time? this is where i become even more confused. if we are lightbeings, as many believe we are, wouldn't we be more comfortable all of the time in another dimensional capacity? what is it that holds us here in this dimension?
warmest regards, corson

Bashar talks of this 3D realm as a school to learn to become masters of limitation, because that is what we experience on many levels here on earth. Limitation.
Not to be found on such a level in the higher vibrational worlds.

so would you consider Bashar's talks of limitation to be the same as Realeye's 'ownership' of what has occurred in our lifetime? is it possible that what we experience throughout our days limits us to what we can perceive in our dream/sleep state? this is something that i will have to pay more attention too. i am thinking, that if i've had a bad day, someone perhaps has angered me, i am wondering if these are the days where i cannot recall what i experienced in my dream/sleep transition.
warmest regards, corson

[Realeyes]

From this point of reference that we are in, in this ‘moment’, our past present and future is held in ‘Mind’. If we ‘change’ our ‘mind’, our whole past, present and future collapses and reforms to a New Parallel. :wizard:

Do we really need to delve in our past, could this create more problems? :twitch:

It is ALL HERE NOW. It is in the present we can see in our body, health, and state of mind, and if we read this and understand where we are, we can re-write it! We ARE what we need to OWN. :heh:

As creator gods we want to be in ‘Creation’ not ‘Reaction’.

A friend of mine has a gadget called a ‘Motivaider’ that is like a little timer your wear that vibrates at whatever time you set it. She does it for ½ an hour interval time periods that brings her back to her ‘Present Awareness’ of what she is Creating. This disrupts past programs of thought. This helps us hardwire the neuronets of choice that maintains our reality of which we have decided to experience.

I remember an insight a few years ago the importance of the word ‘decision’ and ‘action’ on that ‘decision’. When we make that ‘choice’ we open a new doorway and the ‘action’ is the ‘movement’ through that doorway which is a New Timeline that has a completely New Future, New Parallel Reality, which can change our pre-destination reality to a Free Will reality. This then will change everything in our reality even our point of death will change – this prolongs our life and what the Great Masters realised.

Remembering our Future is not ‘set’, it is ‘Fluctuating’ and it is ‘determined’ where our ‘Mind is’. It is a DESTINY OF MIND. :wizard:

If we have an accepted belief of a destiny positive or negative – that is what we will experience.

We are always right, there is no right or wrong there is only ‘Choice’ of Experience. :dance:





<8>, why is it that we come back to this 3D level all of the time? this is where i become even more confused. if we are lightbeings, as many believe we are, wouldn't we be more comfortable all of the time in another dimensional capacity? what is it that holds us here in this dimension?
warmest regards, corson

Great Question Corson & 8!

What draws us back imho, is Magnetism - everything we ‘start’ (whatever that may be) the ‘Soul’ requires a ‘finishing point’ - an ‘ownership’ and ‘wisdom’ gained from the experience we started. This in 3D is our ‘Gravity’ and ‘Inertia’ that is in our Energy Fields (Aura).

Here is a simple example of this is, as to how I understand it. If I ‘lie’ to someone, I create a black hole/void in my energy fields that reads – ‘not owned/unrealised’. This has now created ‘gravity’, meaning I will need to re-address this another time (magnetism).

Hope this helps in this grand discussion. :love::hug:

this is something that i can certainly understand. and it makes sense. as an adult, i have left behind the childish responses of my past. when we are young we sometimes create non-truths to fit in with greater ease to fit the mold of who we know. to gain peers. your understanding of why we are here makes sense to me. finishing and owning and changing what we have done in our past. shoot! i cannot remember all of the things that i have done or said throughout my earlier life. looks like i may be here for a while loosening the magnetism that i perhaps may have created. thanks Realeyes.
warmest regards, corson

[markpierre]

Hey Corson, try considering just what it is you want to work out and why? I'm just looking at it.

We know we can bring those awarenesses in and out of all of our forms of dreaming, but we don't.
Or sometimes we do. And we combine and we mix and match. But what's the point or what do we learn and why?
That there is no difference in illusions? I don't know, maybe.
Who knows, we learn whatever we need to. But it must include things the way we experience them regardless of how we experience them.
Dreams are dreams. All types of dreams are not real.
A better question is 'what's it for?' To perfect dreaming?

Trying to nut it out and get it organized and working for us seems to contradict the purpose of experience of any kind. The change that's effected in you in whatever increments it appears. 'I don't know' is often accompanied by the revelation that I don't need to.
You change. I don't know what's in my unconscious mind, and sometimes I need help that I'm not controlling to unravel it.
God, I have dreams sometimes I can carry around for weeks. Or never forget,
that change everything that happens after. But I know I didn't organize them for that effect.
There's a lot of stuff that my conscious mind will never willingly do. I think I'm pretty good at it, and I'm often very wrong about that.

It's like the guy who walks through the cafe every morning and offers to sell me incense. I never buy, but he never fails to offer.
I don't like that syrupy incense, and that's my position.
Then who knows, someday I might buy it for God knows what reason, and he and I will both be different.
Different how? I don't care.
.
That's what it's for. A tractor pulls plows. Why? Well, why are you asking?
I don't need to know how the tractor pulls plows in order to be nourished by the bread.

Plus I like surprises.

[<8>]

<8>, why is it that we come back to this 3D level all of the time? this is where i become even more confused. if we are lightbeings, as many believe we are, wouldn't we be more comfortable all of the time in another dimensional capacity? what is it that holds us here in this dimension?
warmest regards, corson



Thanks..


why is it that we come back to this 3D level all of the time?

Good questions thanks for that!, let's be honest, we don't know.

There is a theory that we actually are getting manipulated even after we die, to go back over and over, to help out, to do the right thing.
And because most of us are so conditioned it would make a lot of sense in a way, but this brings more fear into already fear unknown, (what happens after this body dies)

I would like to suggest that this is the hard core reality, and we just like to experience how it feels. (No more no less)
And there are some who even suggest that we are getting addicted in way to this experience, because there is no pain in the higher densities as we experience here.
And with pain emotions there are a totally new experience to experience.

That said, at the same time we are all in our unique way trying to escape pain, some are blessed to experience who they really are, some understand it and try to do the very best they can to make their lives, and our lifes a better one. And there are also suggested that our alien family are doing everything to raise the vibration, so we can slowly wake up to who we really are.
But that indicates that we are partially trapped in a way, and would reinforce the theory that we are manipulated.

There is the theory about earth school, but there are so many things that don't adds up to this theory.
Unless everything is experienced at the same time, and that is what many have experienced.
It's like sticking all your fingers into the boiling water at the same time, (autch that really hurt!) moving on to the next experience.

So even though we perceive that we are reincarnated over and over, we are not because we are experience it all at once
Because even though we experience a linear timeline, we can jump back and forth on this timeline and experience different lives.



P.s...I am not sure I made any sense at all...

[Eram]

<8>, why is it that we come back to this 3D level all of the time? this is where i become even more confused. if we are lightbeings, as many believe we are, wouldn't we be more comfortable all of the time in another dimensional capacity? what is it that holds us here in this dimension?
warmest regards, corson

Bashar talks of this 3D realm as a school to learn to become masters of limitation, because that is what we experience on many levels here on earth. Limitation.
Not to be found on such a level in the higher vibrational worlds.

so would you consider Bashar's talks of limitation to be the same as Realeye's 'ownership' of what has occurred in our lifetime? is it possible that what we experience throughout our days limits us to what we can perceive in our dream/sleep state? this is something that i will have to pay more attention too. i am thinking, that if i've had a bad day, someone perhaps has angered me, i am wondering if these are the days where i cannot recall what i experienced in my dream/sleep transition.
warmest regards, corson

Hi Corson,

I am not sure that I'm not confused either now haha.

Bashar's talks and Realeyes 'ownership' may walk hand in hand as far as I can see, but they are not the same per se.
Maybe, the dream state that we usually perceive is a form of unconsciousness, as in... we are not fully aware in that state as we would be in this 3D awake state.
If you would like to be conscious and aware while in the dream state, it might be an idea to learn about astral travel, which I'm learning about at the moment.
That is a technique to enter the dream worlds, or astral worlds consciously.

[Eagle Eye]

<8>, why is it that we come back to this 3D level all of the time? this is where i become even more confused. if we are lightbeings, as many believe we are, wouldn't we be more comfortable all of the time in another dimensional capacity? what is it that holds us here in this dimension?
warmest regards, corson

We aren't here for the same purpose. Some are here to learn, experience and understand 3D life, emotions and duality. Some are here because they have trapped themselves in this material life. Some are here to help others to evolve on their spiritual path.

The right question is : In what group do you find yourself ?

[crosby]

<8>, why is it that we come back to this 3D level all of the time? this is where i become even more confused. if we are lightbeings, as many believe we are, wouldn't we be more comfortable all of the time in another dimensional capacity? what is it that holds us here in this dimension?
warmest regards, corson

We aren't here for the same purpose. Some are here to learn, experience and understand 3D life, emotions and duality. Some are here because they have trapped themselves in this material life. Some are here to help others to evolve on their spiritual path.

The right question is : In what group do you find yourself ?

well, what i do know is that i am not trapped by materialism. as having what i need suits me beautifully. so i will contemplate the other two purposes. this is an interesting aspect that i had not delved into previously. i am reading such wonderful responses, and now i am a bit more confused because there is so much to consider. but i thank you so much for giving me your perspective. i know that this will stay with me for quite some time and i hope that everyone can continue to share what they know or even to ask more questions.
much warmth and respect, corson

[<8>]

hi...


This guy have a few good points in my view...Take what works for you and leave the rest on the table..

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