From Bill Ryan -- the Ultimate Hypothesis

[Jeffrey]

Impetus for alternative 3? The Orion Prophecy? I just stumbled across it . . .

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46028-A-New-World-Order-Exposing-the-Luciferian-Agenda&p=517183&viewfull=1#post517183

Here is a scrutinization of the material:

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=review+of+the+orion+prophecy+doc&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CE8QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualstew.com%2Fego_esoteric%2FReview%2520of%2520The%2520Orion%2520Prophecy .doc&ei=Mwr3T_SQNMb62AXKseHqBg&usg=AFQjCNF8dAYn7rsr7g1_gNl-A1fgBzJBkQ

[steveofengland]

Her is another hypothesis, a bit doomy but hey what isn't these days.
They get on the moon, and from there leapfrog to wherever, as long as its far enough away from the X3 million solar flare that wipes out the surface of the planet.
Just for entertainment valuue
http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2012/28jun_alienflare/

[Chester]

I just came to this thread intentionally to point folks to Vivek's thread/post #344 and noticed a few posts up in this thread that Vivek (wisely) did the same.

Here it is again anyways - my intuition meter rose way, way, way past the Gabriel Chiron materials which I have uncovered irreconcilable contradictions within as I posted about here -

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46122-justoneman-s-session-experience-with-Mark-V.-Johnson-hypnotherapist--and-more-&p=516750&viewfull=1#post516750

Apologies, Snowbird but I now think the Chiron materials are distortions which make it too difficult to extract truth. Also, Snowbird, I doubt more than 1% of readers would be able to find any positives in Chiron's materials due to the way he (or his sources) depict humanity. Messengers (IMO) must not alienate the ones they hope to reach... anyways, enough commentary - here is Vivek's post (again) -

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46028-A-New-World-Order-Exposing-the-Luciferian-Agenda&p=517183&viewfull=1#post517183

justone

[Chester]

One solution might be to move all life forms off the moon and then position the moon between the sun at the precise moment the feared, earth directed solar ejection occurs.

Of course, to do so would require the process to begin at a point in time where the altered movement of the moon does not overly effect our oceans, seas and other water bodies.

Maybe "mother nature" might do this for us?

Of course, we would need a technology we likely do not have to achieve this or we would need "friends" who might have this technology.

Maybe some benevolent ETs might have put the moon in just the correct orbit to accomplish this without any need to move it? (or "us" from the future, ala Christopher Knight and Alan Butler - wow just noticed Knight and Butler... Batman and Alfred? ... sorry I digressed)

Anyways, I always seek solutions... its just my nature. Not sure about anyone else, but I did not come here to see us all fried.

just an idea from justone

[goinghome2012]

Of all the information out there, and in here, I've always wondered why educated wealthy powerful people in government and the like would go along with bankrupting the nations to build 172 deep underground bases , at two bases a year for over 50 years and connect them all by railway, being on the surface of earth must eventually be a bad place to be . I mean , why build entire cities so deep underground ? it can't be on a whim, or a theory, or a myth. they know something, we can only speculate . it is the mother of all mysteries.

because our sun is going to give us a big surprise soon, they think they will be safe underground

[Agape]

I genuinely don't yet know exactly what to make of this, but I'm compiling and carefully evaluating some evidence that seems to suggest that the global controllers may be preparing to leave the planet. Not as in exiling themselves, but as in leaving a ship that they believe will sink with no reasonable hope of salvage.

Remember: their personal sense of commitment is to protect (and manage/ control/ exploit) the human genome... not to take care of individuals, about which they care pretty much as a farmer cares for the fate of individual cows in a very large herd.

All that farmer wants is to stay in business. He doesn't feel compassion for any cows that suffer, are sick, or go to the slaughterhouse. That's not the game he's playing. His goal is completely different.

This scenario is not as ridiculous or as impossible as it sounds. I have half a dozen data points, each of which should be taken seriously, that might suggest this, and they all fit together. I'll say no more about this right now, because it's downright scary. I want to prepare some kind of presentation and then submit it for scrutiny and analysis... we're all in this together, folks.



Hello Bill,


thanks for the posting .. interesting idea altogether . Be calmed and assured though , everybody ( or otherwise , could be a disappointment to many ) that it's not going to happen any soon .
Not in our life times , conventionally taken .

Check this project if you have time : http://100yss.org/


It's an official project co-funded by NASA , DARPA and many others . To build such a Starship that would carry people safely out of this solar system will take lots of time and resources, the time maybe irrelevant factor as the end of the world is not really expected any soon ( disappointment ? Hope not , we'd have to hurry more than we do )

At the end, how many people will be able and ready to go ? And where . Yourself you've said, it's the genomic information that interests them the most ,
how again will these travellers survive for long without reproduction of any form , so perhaps reproduction taken to account, it will be children of their children who will land on habitable planet at faraway Star and establish human colony .

In the meantime, life won't expire on Earth, mankind won't cease existing, it's been here quite for a while .. through many cataclysms and climatic changes,
ice ages , technical and spiritual evolution, biological processes of adaptation shaping the form and makeup of todays men as we know them .

This very dynamical process of earthly evolution won't stop and we're nowhere close to its peak. In fact, as astute observers we are only witness to the time changes happening right under our noses and it freaks many of us out,
including scientists .
It's only recently that some had admitted that 'human evolution' is still ongoing . It's obvious and it's happening with bigger and smaller jolts .

Whether some subscribe this to 'ascension' or 'genomic' turns irrelevant over long periods of time .

Mankind has to face all it has done in past, whether they wiped whole nations and cultures away and promoted others and condemned later it has happened,
it's still what they did and what they continue in, with lesser or more success .


I suspect that the same might have happened in past, couple of times when enough technology and resources were amassed to send 'human mission' far to space .

The same people, if they settled elsewhere and built their own civilisation, hope they do better than before, they had to change considerably to survive and I'm sure it did not happen without sacrifices .
But maybe they just did well . And of course, with life on one more hospitable planet that turns around slower than this earth does
they're now long lived and peaceful 'mankind' of sorts . And I'm almost sure they'd return here after some ( long ) time , to meet their 'forefathers' .
And would be ( or are ? ) very surprised with the state of matters here .


In my knowledge .. I do not take those outrageous claims and 'whispers' of many whistleblowers about human meta-technologies seriously,
not that military laboratories are not more advanced . Not that such -meta- technologies are out of option ,
not that there are not secret programs and people who have been involved in them do not know a bit more ..
but from my direct insight and experience , I don't think they know 'oh so much better' .

There's really much more chatter in the backgrounds on what could be done ...if... we had all the resources in the world .. and if , we were ready to complete such tasks ..

more unsubstantiated wishes than reality . They're mostly, just another humans whom the system taught to lie bit better than the rest of us.

By that I am not saying that you or I are lying or someone else is, I simply observe ..how much many 'insiders' let their tongues slip in certain way knowing it sparks debate and curiosity , that's all .

If an important person rises small point such n such a way it gives birth to tons of conspiracy theories .
Most of the same people deny they'd mean it seriously later or simply disappear from the scene .
Which again creates few more tons of conspiracies .

In the meantime .. there's reality surrounding us we have to bank on mostly .

At the same time, we're exposed to existence of more advanced reality ...and the way how we know it and come face to face with it is mostly from inside of us .


I'm sure it has a meaning to speak about it because we are part of timeline that will last hundreds and thousands of years to future .

Many things are ready to happen we're partially aware of .. the 'catch' is that it won't happen any soon.


Do I make sense , not sure



Namaste :pray:

[Melinda]

Please forgive my long text, but having read through the thread I felt compelled to write. I know there are specific topics contained within the opening post: timelines, tickets and so forth. It took me back to my early experience of researching the subject matter. I can't claim to be well-informed or offer any new insights (apologies, given your post Bill), but I'm thankful to have a place to share my feelings about what's been written here, because reading it has affected me, and writing has helped me come to terms with it.

I remember discovering Project Camelot back in early 2008. It drew me into a portal of information about the dark often hidden activities that have impacted our past and our present. Both that and further research was, and still is, truly valuable. It felt very much like a process of remembering, of consolidating what I'd glimpsed and suspected for over a decade, and the processing of it all was bound with deep emotions: from fear, relief and indignation, to a heightened sense of purpose and strength. I read somewhere once that the brutal truth is uplifting to those with the courage to face it. I may have had moments of courage, but I know I have had many moments without. What may or may not be truth in what's written in these pages about blood sacrifice, planet abandonment and collaboration with other-dimensional entities, is not what engages me most. It is of great interest, but no longer surprising. Is it possible that a mass, physical-life-ending event could occur? I'm sure that some people forewarned of 9/11 thought it couldn't happen. That God, or goodness by another name, wouldn't allow it. But it happened. Would it have happened if thousands of us had been made aware beforehand however? Thousands of consciously aware individuals, aware of it, seeing it, choosing with our hearts to acknowledge its existence and then, picturing something life-affirming in its place, dismantling its terrible power. That would have been possible. It's possible now. We were not born here with only the capacity to be the plaything of any slave-master or other-dimensional creature.

There has been mention here of timelines, something I know little about. I can only say that my limited and sporadic experience of clairvoyance has, in giving me a slightly expanded awareness of the oneness of all things, taught me that time is a mysterious thing, and that there is tremendous power in being present in the moment. Many of us know, deep down, we are not destined to fear for mother earth or the future of our race. We are here exploring our ability to love, and to assist in the mass awakening of all the other hearts and minds, who as the vast majority, deep down, choose life, decency, and an extraordinary future that is grounded by the collaboration of renewed and sovereign hearts.

But we know there are those who long ago lost their ability to feel this way. Convincing people they need an elusive ticket elsewhere is virtually a guaranteed way to get them doing exactly what they're told and never tell a soul. City-sized underground or off-world shelters could (amidst other things) simply be the rich man's equivalent of the extra tin of soup we keep in our cupboards. I haven't needed mine yet, but its reassuring to have it. An elitist's wounded psyche is preoccupied with destruction and builds and plunders accordingly. Its distorted mind can become addicted to secrets that make it feel powerful. It's not as if any of the wealthy instigators of these bases have seen a dent in their daily lifestyle due to what what it cost to build them. If you thought the way they did, you likely wouldn't ask if you should build them, but why shouldn't you build them? If I had that much money I too would have a bigger cupboard and more tins of soup.

I've wondered about the ET issue. It makes sense to me that they exist, given the profound depths of the universe and its creativity. It makes sense that they can behave in ways that might appear loving, harmful or neutral, and that much like we do with our own race we might occasionally confuse one kind of behaviour for another. My limited viewings of the unseen realms has also taught me that there is much more to our reality than meets the eye. So if they exist in any dimension, visible or not, I can see how some of them may have intervened compassionately in our affairs without taking credit, and without wishing to overwhelm our psyches with the emotional/spiritual implications of a more direct presence. After all, being incarnate on this planet at this time is hard enough on many of us as it is; especially given how the prevalent pyramid power structures here nurture all kinds of complexes regarding co-dependence and self-liberation. If they are, technologically, millions of years ahead of us then their ability to assist in averting 'natural' disasters on our behalf could be astounding. Given what can be done with HAARP (let alone the black-science that exists) deflecting a solar flare could be technically possible for an off-world intelligence that is far more advanced. I don't say this to advocate a reliance on external forces so we can be rocked in our cradle and nestle comfortably in an unconscious state. I say it simply because it is possible, and when our loving kindness is apparent it naturally makes us more appealing company. It could well be, if we choose it, our role to help safeguard younger civilisations some day, just as we are doing it now for endangered species among us. The idea of this future is wonderful.

When it comes to some of the witnesses who've spoken about their encounters with ETs, I've often wondered, how do you even begin to put the depth of that into words when many of those listening may have no frame of reference with which to compare. Language can contain powerful transmissions, but it can also lead us further away from the truth of what we deeply, solemnly wish to express. Sometimes we choose to say less about something, so as not to dilute or misrepresent what we feel is its deepest truth. Add to that mix the threats and the noise that some witnesses apparently endure and I would imagine it to be a mighty conundrum choosing what to say, or how to say it. I don't know if many of the Camelot or other witnesses are telling or remembering the truth, I can only say that I've been strongly engaged by their stories and that those stories have uplifted my spirit and fueled my belief in the importance of assisting at this time; assisting both my planet and all the souls who call her home.

I sometimes stand back and wonder at the people who've brought out so much empowering information. The researchers, whistle-blowers and witnesses who have risked or even lost their lives in the process. Standing so close to the loud declarations and the terrified whisperings of insiders, how is it even possible to process that with an ever-steady countenance, when the natural drive to protect and inform other people is so present and so painful? All of the people who bring this information forward out of the good of their hearts have my gratitude. Truly what engages me most is seeing the number of people here speaking of the goodness in their lives, the care of their loved ones and others, the depth of light they see every day emerging on the planet, and how powerful we are united in our intention.

The time for abuse is at an end. I have felt heart-broken, at times, by what's been done to the earth and her people. Some of it unspeakable. There are those in remote fortresses who would like to drag the thoughts at Avalon into a fearful condition, trembling with grief at a wound-ridden future. But to me that is not what this thread is about, not at its core. When we're aware of what others want for us we can choose what it is we're here to create instead. We're reminded to honour it. We are powerful creators at heart with a connection to the most divine and loving source, and are capable of manifesting the most beautiful future imaginable. When we are not busy imagining it there are thousands, millions of others taking the reigns and painting the world with light in the ways that we'd hope for. There is so much of value being dreamed into the world by people here, and we are not alone. This is truly what I see. It is, every day, taking place in ways that (exhausting though it is) may not always be visible to us at the moments we most wish it were.

I would of course prefer a peaceful passing rather than one brought on by a giant tsunami or mega-dose of radiation. But that peace depends on my internal state. So if all I can do with my flickering of fear is kick myself into gear to embrace life more fully and savour more moments of generous, soulful giving, then that isn't such a bad thing. As so many of you have said, death is not the end. But a life spent worrying about it is, truly, a waste. This is just my way of saying thank you to Bill, and everyone here at Avalon whose words and contributions nourish my spirit. Thank you for what you've done, and what you still continue to do. Thank you for the good things you will go on to do. You've given me new strength and it really is an inspiration. I'm sorry I take so many words to say how I feel. But I feel these things very deeply, and am thankful to have a place to share. Perhaps my abundance of thoughts is because of my Arab roots. In which case, a thousand blessings on all your houses.

[Wind]

Dont be afraid its all hypothetical, a maybe so.
Many die every day many are born every day.
As long as I can remember, and its been quite a few years, there has always been doom and gloom and positive expectation--- take you pick.
Death of the body is a fact--- much evidence of life before and after death.
Why worry-- death is just the doorway to another adventure.
Enjoy the moment-- who knows what the next may bring.

Chris

Oh, I'm not afraid, of physical death that is. I am just waiting for the shift to happen, I'm mostly excited about it. I don't want to believe in doom so I do choose hope. I know that everything is going to be all right.

[truthseekerdan]

Because the surface of this 3D density Earth will be toast. There's just no other way to put it, I'm afraid.

Our future may be a reflection of our mind's imagery from the past. Imagery that is illuminated to create the next sequence of events based on the same old sequence of events from before but this time replayed in a different order. These repetitive mental operations produce favorite or automatic thoughts, words and actions that over time develop a preferred state of consciousness where our mind finds and stays in its comfort zone or lowest state of energy expenditure.

The greatest obstacle that prevents us from making the necessary changes in our thinking to become more self-aware is our ability to retain the very idea of imagery itself long enough to understand how the mind operates. This recurring retention problem exists because all the images in our mind are continuously competing for our attention and distracting us from the present moment.

[SEAM]

TOP SECRET
Official Transcript of the U.S. Army Air Force
Roswell Army Air Field, 509th Bomb Group
SUBJECT: ALIEN INTERVIEW, 10. 7. 1947
by
Mrs. Matilda O'Donnell MacElroy
Senior Master Sergeant
Women's Army Air Force Medical Corp, Retired
100 Troytown Heights
Navan, Meath
Co. Meath, Ireland

(EXCERPT)
"The third interview, and all subsequent interviews that I had with the alien were
observed and recorded, as I mentioned above, by dozens of other people.
Although they were not physically present, a special room had been constructed
with a window of one-way glass through which the interview could be observed
from an adjoining room, without intruding on the alien.
The alien had been moved into the newly constructed room and was seated in an
ordinary overstuffed living room chair covered with a flowery fabric. I'm sure
that someone had been sent into town to buy a chair from the nearest available
furniture store. The aliens body was about the same size as a very thin 5 year
old child, so she was dwarfed by the chair.

TOP SECRET
Official Transcript of the U.S. Army Air Force
Roswell Army Air Field, 509th Bomb Group
SUBJECT: ALIEN INTERVIEW, 10. 7. 1947
"QUESTION - "Why have you stopped communicating?"
ANSWER -
NO STOP. OTHERS. HIDDEN / COVERED. SECRET FEAR.
The alien can not communicate with them because they
were afraid of her, or do not trust her. And, it is
clear to me that the alien is very aware that some
people have secret intentions toward her and are hiding
their real thoughts. It is equally obvious to me that
the alien does not have even a tiny bit of fear of us,
or anything else, for that matter!"

http://www.thenewearth.org/Roswell.pdf

[SEAM]

(MATILDA O'DONNELL MACELROY PERSONAL NOTE)
I will never forget this conversation. Her tone was very matter-of-fact and
emotionless. However, for the first time, I sensed the presence of a warm and real
"personality" in Airl. Her reference to "immortal spiritual beings" struck me like a
flash of light in a dark room. I had never before considered that a human being
could be an immortal being.

"Personally, it is my conviction that all sentient
beings are immortal spiritual beings. This includes
human beings. For the sake of accuracy and simplicity I
will use a made-up word: "IS-BE". Because the primary
nature of an immortal being is that they live in a
timeless state of "is", and the only reason for their
existence is that they decide to "be".
No matter how lowly their station in a society, every
IS-BE deserves the respect and treatment that I myself
would like to receive from others. Each person on Earth
continues to be an IS-BE whether they are aware of the
fact or not."

[frozen alchemy]

Thanks, Seam. I just found that amazing Matilda O'Donnell material myself a few weeks ago. Wonderful read and rings true to me.

Bill Ryan maintains that the information is a straight-away steal from Scientology, which I know nothing about. Is it possible in any way that Scientology is based on this information, rather than the reverse, if in only a small part?

As to if/why the governments would be building cavernous bunkers all over the planet, I read somewhere that the incoming galactic plane material will cause sustained winds for years up to 400 MPH, and of course there's the solar flare threat although they tend to be sudden and limited in time-scope, if not limited in effect. It seems that underground wouldn't be a particularly safe place to be in the event of massive flooding, but perhaps just the ability to hide from the surface Mad Max scenario if all hell breaks loose has some uses. Putting everything together, it surely seems like they know WHAT'S coming, they know WHEN, and at this point, they're fully prepared and waiting for it. Sure would explain the consummate lack of worry about the debt servicing, or arresting and prosecuting the known criminal element that's been responsible for the economic mess we're in.

[Magnus]

Did anyone notice that Victor spoke french?

@ 17:46 He say something that i interpret as:
"Après moi le déluge, du déluge Saunière"

Wich roughly translates into:

"After me, the deluge, the deluge of Saunière"

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If i'm correct in my interpretation, this leads to another question, is he referring to Bérenger Saunière (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C3%A9renger_Sauni%C3%A8re) of Rennes-le-Château (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rennes-le-Ch%C3%A2teau)?

Then what he says @ 17:34
"Let's just say that i wouldn't plan a twentieth anniversary of this documentary."
(1997 + 20 = 2017) Victors initial interview was recorded 1997.
(2008 + 20 = 2028) This interview was recorded in 2008.

What year is he actually hinting at, 2017 or 2028?
In my opinion, this is not entirely clear if we only consider an unreferenced "twentieth anniversary".
On the other hand, if we take Victors health declaration into consideration, then it's likely to be 2017, as Bill said here:

2 ---
The second interview with 'Victor' — here:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=EEFJ_C-wdlw (part 1)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=aMVdaQox308 (part 2)

'Victor' described, with a great deal of authentic bitterness, how the elite were planning to leave the planet -- sometime before a catastrophic event that they expected to occur before 2017.

If we follow this line of thought, two of Victors claims stands in conjunction with each other:
@ 14:00
"The end times are upon us. The end of the world. We have been tested, and found wanting, the aliens came, they presented themselves to humanity, they were taken and held, and questioned, and alone to die, and now the reckoning is at hand."

How does "the deluge of Saunière" connect with "the reckoning is at hand"?
Will Victors "du déluge Saunière" be the result of an E.T. retaliation?
How could Saunière possibly be connected to this?

@ 1:08 Carol Rosin / Wernher von Braun - "The last card, the last card, the last card will be the extra terrestrial threat"

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To complicate things further...

In the "Charles" interview @ 1:10:29 Charles said this:
"Ah, so 2012. Something’s going to hit us out of the space... Something’s going to, some natural massive phenomenon is going to happen."
(Note: His claim refers to a point in time even though he generally repels every time bound event.)

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[Hervé]

(MATILDA O'DONNELL MACELROY PERSONAL NOTE)
I will never forget this conversation. Her tone was very matter-of-fact and
emotionless...

[...]

Cough-cough...

I guess you never ran into Bill's post and thread about "Alien Interview"...


Hi, Folks:

THis morning I received another message from someone asking for my opinion about Lawrence Spencer's 'ALIEN INTERVIEW (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/alieninterview/alieninterview.htm)'.

Here is my standard reply to everyone who writes (and a lot of people have). This needs to be plainly stated on the internet, as this one seems not to be going away. I ask all members to cross-post this freely to other forums. The hoax needs to be cleared up... there's too much nonsense in ufology already.

-------------

‘ALIEN INTERVIEW’ by Lawrence Spencer



Unfortunately, this book is a hoax. This is definitive.

Lawrence Spencer is careful (presumably for legal reasons) to offer the written disclaimer that 'Alien Interview (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/alieninterview/alieninterview.htm)'. should be regarded as a work of fiction, but it does the UFO community (and the Scientology community - see below) no favors when Spencer maintained on subsequent radio talk shows, some with sizable audiences, that the purported "interview" really happened. It did not.

Conveniently, the claimed source, "Matilda MacElroy" is "deceased" - and Spencer "destroyed all the original documentation". So we'll just have to take his word for it... and his word, publicly stated, is that he is portraying real events. Sadly, his word is not very honorable, and he is lying. I don't often deploy that unpleasant word, but here its use is accurate and fair.

[...]

Almost as an afternote: there are many other problems with the book - many of which are already cited by other reviewers. Use of the terms "carbon dating", "computer", "database", "alien" (the Roswell survivor was called an EBE, or Extraterrestrial Biological Entity), MacElroy being a "Senior Master Sergeant" - and more - are all anachronisms: the words or terms did not exist in 1947, and show clearly that this is recent writing. The date stamp is also wrong: the author uses the English notation of 9.7.1947 for 9 July 1947... a little slip, written by Spencer, who although American is very familiar with England.

Lastly, consider what the alien's name ('AIRL') is an anagram of.
**********
[...]

**********

Read this book as the metaphysically fascinating work of fiction that it is. Spencer's post-publication behavior, however, elevates this "fiction" to the level of a dishonorable hoax, for which he should be ashamed. He could have handled this much, much better.

I'm a UFO researcher myself. If you want the truth, there are many other places to find it. And if Spencer wants to contact me, he can through Project Avalon or Project Camelot (bill@projectavalon.net).

I'd be interested to know privately what possessed him to go so far and to paint himself into such a corner, from which escape is now almost impossible without him continuing to deceive his readers.

Bill Ryan
PROJECT AVALON
PROJECT CAMELOT

[Flash]

Did anyone notice that Victor spoke french?

@ 17:46 He say something that i interpret as:
"Après moi le déluge, du déluge Saunière"

Wich roughly translates into:

"After me, the deluge, the deluge of Saunière"



you are wrong in your understanding of Victor's words, first video, he said in French "Après moi le déluge, le déluge solaire".
After me the deluge, the deluge of the sun (the sun's deluge). This is quite clear in French, and it is definitely not Saunière. Which in my idea, makes it more interesting within this thread presuppositions.

[Magnus]

Did anyone notice that Victor spoke french?

@ 17:46 He say something that i interpret as:
"Après moi le déluge, du déluge Saunière"

Wich roughly translates into:

"After me, the deluge, the deluge of Saunière"



you are wrong in your understanding of Victor's words, first video, he said in French "Après moi le déluge, le déluge solaire".
After me the deluge, the deluge of the sun (the sun's deluge). This is quite clear in French, and it is definitely not Saunière. Which in my idea, makes it more interesting within this thread presuppositions.

Thanks for correcting me!

It was a tough challenge for me to distinguish Victors words since both the audio and my own hearing could be a lot better.

This leaves us with "Après moi le déluge, le déluge solaire" in conjunction with "the reckoning is at hand".

Were Victor insinuating that we are to expect an E.T. retaliation in the form of a deluge of the sun?

Maybe the E.T.'s could utilize the sun as their weapon but i find that slightly far fetched as they probably could manage such a thing way more effortless. And that is, if there exist an E.T. threat at all.

Maybe Victor expected both a deluge of the sun and an E.T retaliation but wasn't sure of wich one would come about first.

There are just too many contradictive claims from too many whistleblowers for one to be able to make out who's more credible than the other. Two different sources, presenting two different claims, pointing at opposit directions, is more often than not, equally convincing.

But...

If Victors claim about "the deluge of the sun" are true, it could be that Victor and Charles shared the same knowledge:

In the "Charles" interview @ 1:10:29 Charles said this:
"Ah, so 2012. Something’s going to hit us out of the space... Something’s going to, some natural massive phenomenon is going to happen."
(Note: His claim refers to a point in time even though he generally repels every form of time bound event.)

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Charles also stated:
@ 1:10:55 "There will be some difficulties because of solar activity."
@ 1:11:00 "No one can predict what the sun is about to do."

If no one can predict what the sun is about to do, why would Victor be able to predict a deluge of the sun?

[taurad]

FIRST i want to thank everyone that go to lengths trying to figure out the BIG PICTURE...

these great humans, work tirelessly to collect data, sort'em out, analyze and brainstorm the process...

then put them together, a super difficult process on its own...

and then streamline it to us, break it down for us

again, a big THANK YOU!



Second, i am personally having trouble with a couple of things:

1- i'm struggling with Dutch's poor story-telling abilities, despite being fore-warned about that and taking into account how favorable that would be for his recruiters; i still have trouble digesting this individual had higher clearance than US president...

2- i didn't get why he never focuses on what really happens to the planet, the planetary event...let's hypothetically accept as valid the Moon Jump Elite scenario...soooo???? if i was in his
shoes, unless i had a seat on that craft, i wouldn't care much for it, rather would have investigated what happens to us? what precisely an event are we talking about? when? for how long?

etc...

3- @ the end he throws the GOD and the biblical approach...there he got me lost again...what GOD? which version??? why not start with this first:

"People, there's a GOD, i got the evidence, the Bible is the word of GOD, this war is spiritual...and then yada yada yada"

on the second interview, if i remember correctly he adds that "not even THEIR MOON refuge will help THEM achieve anything, THEY can't escape the wrath of GOD"!!!

quite BOLD a statement, but there's no way you successfully clarify a large-scale complicated whistle-blowing tale that easily...


4- Victor's video clips don't need to have two fully rotating camera's, for a project like this...very hollywoodish, almost bollywoodish :)

the cameras are panning from the driver's seat, backs out to driver's mirror, fast rotating 180 * degrees to the passenger's mirror, and then to Victor's profile!!!!?????

this is only one i'm using as an i.e.; there was much more...do i need to go any further???


I miss the Bill Ryan & Kerry Cassidy locked-in-a-room interviews...


final words, i did pay attention to the info, but i did not get a clear picture...i got more confused and more frustrated...

i hope it was just me, not the source

and if day comes, when catastrophe strikes, i'm gonna live every last second with a big smile in my face

cheers everyone

[bodhii71]

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At one point this cosmonaut states that due to waves from our galactic center our sun will become a red giant.

[Jeffrey]

Thinking about the sun. Sunspots result from magnetic fluxuations and increase leading up to magnetic pole reversals (which happens about every 11 years). Sunspots are dark. What if there was a longer, unknown solar cycle that results in a big flip with immense increases in the suns magnetic flux. Would this lead to a dramatic increase in size and frequency of sunspots? Effectively dimming the sun enough to where it looks dark by comparison with it's previous state? Could the sun then have sunspots over ~50-80% of it's surface area?

Could the periodicity of this phenomenon correlate with the positions of other stars/planets?

We hear all of this prophesy about the sun going dark (and the moon turning red, which could close to it's color if it were reflecting the light of a sun undergoing that process idk) for a number of days.

Also, imagine all the solar flares that could happen because of that. Deluge of the sun?

Or something like that, just brain-storming.

[Flash]

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At one point this cosmonaut states that due to waves from our galactic center our sun will become a red giant.

wow that video is quite interesting, to be listened to really

[Bill Ryan]

If no one can predict what the sun is about to do, why would Victor be able to predict a deluge of the sun?

This is a really important question. I have a credible source -- an accomplished physicist with a TS clearance, whose name many here would instantly recognize, who has told me clearly, in writing, that an 1859-type solar event is being anticipated for December/January coming. He said that it is not known whether (or to what extent) this event will compromise the grid.

I've several times asked him how he knows.... and he never answered that question. But has consistently conducted himself as if he knows, with some margin for error and uncertainty -- exactly as if this was the result of classified scientific investigation and analysis that is not being made public.

[Houman]

http://static.arstechnica.net/2012/04/28/churchauroraborealis-4f9c6ef-intro.jpg

http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/magnetogram2-4f9c6a2-intro.jpg
A magnetogram recorded at the Greenwich Observatory in London during the Carrington Event of 1859.

[Bill Ryan]

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Hi, Houman -- thanks for jumping into this thread. :)

May I ask: in your personal opinion, is it possible that there are ways and means in classified science to predict, with some confidence, extreme peaks of solar activity a year or more in advance?

[frozen alchemy]

Yes, I for one researched the Matilda Mcelroy material immediately here after finding it on line somewhere else.

I understand that Bill has his reasons for discounting it including a familiarity with the Scientology material that I don't have, but I decided I liked her point of view on things so much, and it rang so true for me, that I tend to very strongly believe it anyways. The idea that the way to 'escape' the prison we find ourselves in, is to remember our past lives, is very compelling to me. I had memories as a very young child of a former life (actually mostly the death part) and my father made a prolonged visit with me after he died, along with several other very strong psychic experiences. It only very recently, perhaps because of the Matilda material, occurred to me that if we live more than one life, well, the obvious inference to be had from that is that we're eternal. Why would you reincarnate only once? That's as silly as just one go at it...

For all that it might be a hoax, the voice of Matilda and the alien were some of the most truly enlightened, kind, and intelligent persons I've ever heard on this subject. Sometimes fiction can be the truth.

[eileenrose]

If no one can predict what the sun is about to do, why would Victor be able to predict a deluge of the sun?

This is a really important question. I have a credible source -- an accomplished physicist with a TS clearance, whose name many here would instantly recognize, who has told me clearly, in writing, that an 1859-type solar event is being anticipated for December/January coming. He said that it is not known whether (or to what extent) this event will compromise the grid.

I've several times asked him how he knows.... and he never answered that question. But has consistently conducted himself as if he knows, with some margin for error and uncertainty -- exactly as if this was the result of classified scientific investigation and analysis that is not being made public.

He would know the exact time/event if it was orchestrated (ie. the sun was affected on purpose while the earth was in a position to be affected by a CME) by the elites/someone/secret military complex.

I do recall reading some threads here that talked about (rather vaguely...so can't recall which threads) that by using scalar weapons here we were damaging our own sun (and the cumulative effect would be the sun damaging here.....yin and yang, as it were). Something about how Tesla/scalar weapons work....ie. they affect a part of space/time that links both objects sun/earth.

did I get that all wrong? anyone?

[Dennis Leahy]

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Hi, Houman -- thanks for jumping into this thread. :)

May I ask: in your personal opinion, is it possible that there are ways and means in classified science to predict, with some confidence, extreme peaks of solar activity a year or more in advance?If I may interject: wouldn't "they" have had to know much further in the past than one year, if the subterranean cities are real (and their escape from the impending solar storm)?

Would this point to some (at least perceived) credibility in the (supposed) "Looking Glass" or other future-viewing technology/technique? In other words, they could be completely wrong, but are operating under the assumption that whatever they picked-up in the future-casting was correct.

Dennis

[Magnus]

If no one can predict what the sun is about to do, why would Victor be able to predict a deluge of the sun?

This is a really important question. I have a credible source -- an accomplished physicist with a TS clearance, whose name many here would instantly recognize, who has told me clearly, in writing, that an 1859-type solar event is being anticipated for December/January coming. He said that it is not known whether (or to what extent) this event will compromise the grid.

I've several times asked him how he knows.... and he never answered that question. But has consistently conducted himself as if he knows, with some margin for error and uncertainty -- exactly as if this was the result of classified scientific investigation and analysis that is not being made public.

Hello Bill, thank you for your attention!

My personal understanding...
We are in no doubt up against a great deal of deliberate disinformation which even the more experienced enthusiasts and researchers have a tough time to discern. It's always interesting to compare different sources stating nearly the same thing, but then again fabricated disinformation campaigns may also be designed to reach us from various directions, just to gain credibility. The big problem with whistleblowers is that they rarely if ever offer any irrefutable evidence to back up their story, while they on the other hand, eagerly spread their "truth".

We also have Nicolas Haywood, a 33° Freemason and ambassador for the Priory of Sion, wich in an 2008 interview with Bruce Burgess (http://bruce-burgess.com/), stated that an 'event' will take place.

@ 2:33 "A deluge, perhaps" - A deluge of the sun?
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And then we have "Hidden Hand (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread402958/pg2)" from ATS (http://www.abovetopsecret.com) who also in 2008 came forward and spoke of "The great harvest". Note that Haywood and HH came forward almost simultaneously, possibly for a reason of their religion and rituals.

HH:
"Yes, the noonday Winter Solstice Sun of December 21st, 2012 is the time when the Lord of The Harvest shall return. You might know him as 'Nibiru'."

I might be wrong but i get the same feeling about Haywood and Hidden Hand, it wouldn't surprise me if they are the one and same.

HH also shared a picture which he said depicted what would happen.
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Whatever happens, doom or not, i'm confident that there is no reason to fear.

[Hervé]

[...]
If I may interject: wouldn't "they" have had to know much further in the past than one year, if the subterranean cities are real (and their escape from the impending solar storm)?

Would this point to some (at least perceived) credibility in the (supposed) "Looking Glass" or other future-viewing technology/technique? In other words, they could be completely wrong, but are operating under the assumption that whatever they picked-up in the future-casting was correct.

Dennis

This brings me back to post #15 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46887-From-Bill-Ryan-the-Ultimate-Hypothesis&p=515424&viewfull=1#post515424)0 where I finally got some concept on "Time Lines" and the high probability of an event re-occurring in the future if the original is left untouched/unheal from the principles uncovered by Steve Richards (http://www.holographickinetics.net/default.html) on the basis that "everything is alive" and therefore susceptible to trauma and hence having to "re-enact" that trauma in the future when left unaddressed.



Just like the Fibonacci sequence above, the spirit externalizes by bringing through action that has never been dealt with from the past hologram of time and as we now internalize and react in the present to that action, that integration of the past action, plus the present reaction, sets up the cycles of similarity from that moment on, into the future hologram of time.

We now have the repeat offenders, and others, stuck in that repeat cycle of similarity from the past, not knowing why, as that created dimension of reality is alive and seeks survival, as its creation is all that it knows, until it starts to grow and learn, just as a baby grows and learns by their reactors, it is now becoming intelligent, as it gains knowledge and understanding and keeps setting you up to feed itself, which becomes the same frequency that created it, in the first place, eventually this created force takes on form and becomes conscious of its own consciousness and becomes the birth of a new internal dimension of reality known as an internal entity.

Now this internally created entity, keeps the cycles going and eventually as you keep feeding it, by the repeat cycles of time, it can start to take over and at times come forward into the creation of what is known as multiple personalities.

Man must in the present go back to the past and change that created dimension of reality at its juncture, in the past, once time enfolds upon itself, it creates 360 degrees representing completion and time will then loop itself and put you outside that dimension of time, only then will this stop the cycles of similarity from continuing into the future.

Not only within the internal created realities of the mind does time loop itself, but we are discovering time loops in the physical world of reality taking place. The ancestors of the past could step out of time and come back in through another dimension of time.

I have found that there are wormholes still active, especially to dimensions of the past genocide, our team have activated those wormholes brought the spirits through a surrogate on the table enfolded space time upon their past trauma, changed the past from ever occurring in the future cycles of time and released the spirits that were stuck earth bound in that trauma. Preventing that from ever occurring in the future cycles of time.

[...]


Time Loops

[...]

I realize that every thing is in its own dimension of time, from the moment of its creation as a thought, that dimension can be for a second, an hour, a year, one hundred years, one thousand years or more, It is only a dimension and is relative to its creation, It will set up cycles of similarity creating the repeat patterns in life until that created dimension has enfolded upon itself and only then do we have 360 Degrees representing completion.

When a client and their spirit integrates and acknowledges the cause of any created reality time instantly loops itself and that dimension no longer has an effect on that client from that moment on. I have found that all created realities are linked to their own dimension of time and once that created reality is acknowledged, time loops itself and that dimension is complete. Just as we change a dimension of time of a creation in the mind of a being, this can then also transmute into the external physical world of reality, for it is only another dimension.

We are now aware of accessing wormholes to dimensions of the genocide of the past, and changing in the present the past which in turn changes the cause and all trauma from ever re-occurring within the cycles of the future.

We have discovered that all around us, there are dimensions and all created dimensions have a life form linked to its creation, once that dimensions is created and you enter that dimension you are subject to the laws of that dimension, we are now looking at Black spots on the road as a dimension, this explains why people die in the same spot as they enter that dimension, which is a reality.

Holographic kinetics has the ability to access the life form known as the nucleus or spirit of any created dimension, once accessed that dimension can be changed for the future.




To understand how it works, you have to look at the cycles of time, the past and the present equal the future, the past cycle is déjà vu, we now live in the present cycle and just like fibonacci mathematics the past and the present equal the future cycles of time.

The clairvoyant access the past cycle of time and can see on the time track what occurred in the past/future, if you do nothing to change that cycle then it will repeat itself in the present and then set up the cycles of similarity of the future, this then gives you the repeat offenders in the prison system as they become stuck in time of the cycle of similarity, which can be easily cleared.

(unchanged) Past + Present = Future repeats of that past

[frozen alchemy]

It occurred to me when I was listening to the Tolec material, and he was saying that there were dozens of planet-sized mother ships here awaiting the mass ascension and 'to help out in any way they could', and that the 'whole galaxy was watching' and that never in history has an entire planet ascended at once, that there's another way of looking at ascension. The End of our Present Existence.

His time frame was the whole planet going up to 4th dimension in January 2013 and everyone finishing the process to 4-5th dimension by January 2014. I've forgotten the exact dates but I think he gave an exact day.

Oddly, he's been extremely quiet now for a week or two. For a while there, he was on a radio talk show every few days.

[jaybee]

If no one can predict what the sun is about to do, why would Victor be able to predict a deluge of the sun?

This is a really important question. I have a credible source -- an accomplished physicist with a TS clearance, whose name many here would instantly recognize, who has told me clearly, in writing, that an 1859-type solar event is being anticipated for December/January coming. He said that it is not known whether (or to what extent) this event will compromise the grid.

I've several times asked him how he knows.... and he never answered that question. But has consistently conducted himself as if he knows, with some margin for error and uncertainty -- exactly as if this was the result of classified scientific investigation and analysis that is not being made public.


and we had this from NASA last year....


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[Hervé]

It occurred to me when I was listening to the Tolec material, and he was saying that there were dozens of planet-sized mother ships here awaiting the mass ascension and 'to help out in any way they could', and that the 'whole galaxy was watching' and that never in history has an entire planet ascended at once, that there's another way of looking at ascension. The End of our Present Existence.

[...]

Well, there is another source with a different history verified by the thousand of individuals who went back into time through an incident which occurred 75 million years ago on this planet:




People were ferried in here by the billions and the billions and the billions and they were ferried in here with boxes and they were put in boxes and stacked around and the people who were on this planet already, just caught it in the teeth, nobody bothered to pick them up. They just shot their administrators from guns and shot their control points out and they took these people in boxes and so forth and they dump them and then they set off hydrogen bombs on the top of each primary volcano there is on this particular planet and when they blew up , it blew the thetans into the air and after the bomb, an electronic ribbon which also was a type of standing wave was erected over the area. The tremendous winds on the planet blew every thetan there was straight in to those particular vacuum zones which had been created. These were brought down, packed up and put in front of projection machines [?] with sound and colored pictures. First gave them the implant which you know as “Clearing Course.” Then, a whole track [was] implanted which you know as OT II.

After this, however, about the remainder of the 36 days, which is the bulk of it, is taken up with a 3D, super colossal motion picture which has to do with “God,” the Devil, Space Opera, etc. They go five pictures to five words and we have the full record of what it is and it goes on about 36 days then the poor bastards were left [to] wander out -- pardon me — they were then boxed up again and the boxes were mixed so that – there were two assembly areas, one was Las Palmas and the other was Hawaii and in these two assembly areas, they took samples from each volcano area and put it in little boxes. They have an assembly line and at Las Palmas it once was down the main street of Las Palmas. More darned accidents on that main street than you can shake a stick at. One of our captains was feeling rather queasy until I told her, “Well the old assembly line of R6 is just 25 feet from you as you arrived here on the seaway.” That blew the charge.

The entirety of Roman Catholicism, the devil and all of these sorts of things, that is all part of R6. Practically anything you can think of, all modern theatres in actual fact are built with the exact symbols shown [???] in R6.

These planets averaged 178 billion human beings per planet. One hundred and seventy eight billion. There were 250 billion on this planet, the name of this planet was Teegeeak and this is known as the “bomb-place” and this is the “evil place.” This is the place [?pretty much all of it?] got smashed.

Everybody on the planet was killed and about three days afterwards is actually when the implanters started operating [implanting the R6 material]. They had it all rigged to operate.

Now, the net result of all of this, was to make a 75 million year vacuum. That’s as far as this part of the universe is concerned. You wonder why: “Why don’t… if there are saucers around, why don’t they land on this planet?”

This planet, traditionally, over the various zones and area has an evil reputation. Mutineers and deserters and that sort of thing were often dumped on this planet. They’ll often come here and refuge because they know nobody’s gonna come after them.

This planet is the planet of the evil repute and this sector of the universe has a very evil repute.
(from a lecture entitled "Assists" given by L Ron Hubbard on 3rd October 1968 aboard the 'Apollo,' )


This is the kind of trauma "everything alive" on this planet went through and of which I wrote about in my post on the previous page.

Accordingly, there is little wonder why the ptb wants to flee from this planet ASAP since what they were looking at in their "Looking Glass" was most probably some aspects of this incident.

As an aside, that was a hell of an ascension as well as a hell of a let down!

Then, the repeat cycles with the asteroid belt (Marduk/Maldek/Smojer blown off) and Atlantis.

This also gives the most probable explanation as to why a "radiation scare" and the threat of a nuclear WW III is being trumped up all over the place since that equates "total anihilation" to the collective consciousness.

PS: With listening to this lecture, I also stopped wondering why such an attraction to the El Hierro thread...

[jaybee]

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Michio Kaku on American MSM a couple of year ago....


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[kevlar]

BBC DOCUMENTARY- originally broadcast 6 March 2012 -

"There is a new kind of weather to worry about, and it comes from our nearest star.

Scientists are expecting a fit of violent activity on the sun which will propel billions of tonnes of superheated gas and pulses of energy towards our planet. They have the power to close down our modern technological civilisation - e.g. in 1989, a solar storm cut off the power to the Canadian city of Quebec.

Horizon meets the space weathermen who are trying to predict what is coming our way, and organistions like the National Grid, who are preparing for the impending solar storms."

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love kevlar

[Houman]

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Hi, Houman -- thanks for jumping into this thread. :)

May I ask: in your personal opinion, is it possible that there are ways and means in classified science to predict, with some confidence, extreme peaks of solar activity a year or more in advance?
Hi Bill,
There exists a number of published models for such predictions (both empirical and based on a dynamo model of the sun). These models carry some level of uncertainty (see http://solarscience.msfc.nasa.gov/papers/hathadh/HathawayWilsonReichmann1994.pdf for one of them).
I am not familiar with the state of classified science in that domain.

Houman

[Lettherebelight]

Remember when we started talking about this a few years ago? Very little response other than people thinking we were being unnecessarily alarmist.
Well when this came through the letter box in June I said, 'See? It's not just a load of cods wallop!'

http://i.imgur.com/l9abv.jpg

..think someone is trying to tell us something?

[Operator]

..think someone is trying to tell us something?

The starting titles of the film 2012 tells us that governments would do nothing to inform the people when they knew something was about to happen.

I think that (parts of) governments have told us but only in a covert way to only those who know how to read the signs.
(See e.g. government circles versus crop circles by Colin Andrews)

Perhaps they see it as the way to avoid panic ...

Problem even is when you tell people: will they listen ?
I've my own experience at hand where you deliver tangible evidence for the elephant in the room and people just ignore it
because they can't wrap their heads around it ... a stalemate situation.

[Bill Ryan]

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On CNN today:

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/07/10/tech/web/internet-down-eagleman/index.html?hpt=hp_c2






Four ways the Internet could go down

The Internet was designed to be robust, fault-tolerant and distributed, but its technology is still in its infancy.

The fact that the Web has not stopped functioning in its initial decades sometimes encourages us to assume that it never will. But like any system, biological or man-made, the Internet has the potential to fail.

Monday's "DNSChanger" malware problem, which affected some 200,000 computers, was much hyped and ultimately inconsequential. But here are four maladies that really do have the potential to wipe out Internet access on a massive scale.





1. Space weather

When you think about Web surfing, you probably don't worry about what's happening on the surface of the sun 92 million miles away. But you should. Solar flares are one of our most serious threats for our communication systems.

Consider satellite failures. One afternoon in 1998, the Galaxy IV, a $250 million satellite floating 35,000 kilometers above the planet, suddenly spun out of control. The main suspect is a solar flare: the sun was acting up at that time, and several other satellites (owned by Germany, Japan, NASA and Motorola) all failed at the same moment.

The effects were instant and worldwide. Eighty percent of pagers instantly went down. Physicians, managers and drug dealers all across the United States looked down and realized they were no longer receiving pages. NPR, CBS, Direct PC Internet and dozens of other services went down. It is estimated that in recent years at least 12 satellites have been lost due to the effects of space weather.

But it's not just satellites that we have to worry about. When a massive solar flare erupts on the sun, it can cause geomagnetic storms on the Earth. The largest solar eruption recorded so far was in 1859. Known as the Carrington flare, it sent telegraph wires across Europe and America into a sparking frenzy.

Since that time, the technology blanketing the planet has changed quite a bit. If we were to get another solar flare of that size now, what would happen? The answer is clear to space physicists and electrical engineers: it would blow out transformers and melt down our computer systems. In a small disruption in 1989, an electromagnetic storm arrested power throughout most of Quebec and halted the Toronto stock market for three hours.

A major solar event could theoretically melt down the whole Internet. What earthquakes, bombs, and terrorism cannot do might be accomplished in moments by a solar corona.

Given our dependence on the communication systems of our planet, both satellite- and ground-based, this is not simply a theoretical worry. The next major geomagnetic storms are expected at the peak of the next solar sunspot cycle in mid-2013, so hang on tight.

(read on here... (http://edition.cnn.com/2012/07/10/tech/web/internet-down-eagleman/index.html?hpt=hp_c2))

****

Spot the pattern, and the trend. See the above posts: National Geographic, NASA, the BBC... gradually more and more publicity to this problem.

We're being given heavy hints here. Our responsibility, of course, if we don't heed them.

[Cidersomerset]

I remember seeing this vid from the History channel
it was made in 2009 during a solar minimum, but
predicts......

Solar storm a serious threat around 2012

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Solar storm is a serious threat around 2012. Both NASA and ESA confirmed the next huge solar storm between September 2012 and May 2013.
We all heard about the big one in 1859 and it looks like we are not far away from another one coming our way.

[Bill Ryan]

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Folks, I rest my case. Listen up. We're being told.

It's now coming at us thick and fast, more each month, in the mainstream media.

Again: what I was informed in writing, by a credible source with a TS clearance -- a gifted physicist whose name most in the alternative media would know, who also told me who he now worked for and reported to -- is that the current expectation was for an 1859-scale event to hit us sometime in the December-January timeframe. I first heard about this from him in October 2007 (believe it or not) -- and then again in March of this year.

He joked that I should "get a lot of sunblock, or better still, go underground" -- and then, more seriously, in response to my questions, said that it was not known to what degree the grid and electronic components would be affected worldwide, but that the scale of the event was expected to exceed the 1859 Carrington Event.. [My emphasis]

As I wrote earlier in this thread, he did not say how this detailed forecast was known to the insiders. He apologized for not being able to say more -- implying clearly that he knew more but was constrained by his national security responsibility.

I've been watching this play out, and gathering information (I have quite a lot now). I have no way of verifying any of this, but it looks more and more likely that this is a real situation that could be a very major one. For those of you who have missed it, please read carefully this exchange I had in April 2009 -- which alerted me to the seriousness of an approaching problem that had a lot of engineers very worried.

http://projectcamelot.org/electrical_engineer.html

[Feritciva]

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Spot the pattern, and the trend. See the above posts: National Geographic, NASA, the BBC... gradually more and more publicity to this problem.

We're being given heavy hints here. Our responsibility, of course, if we don't heed them.


... and here's a trailer for new tv series coming this fall:

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[shadowstalker]

I've been watching this play out, and gathering information (I have quite a lot now). I have no way of verifying any of this, but it looks more and more likely that this is a real situation that could be a very major one. For those of you who have missed it, please read carefully this exchange I had in April 2009 --

This is whats going thru my mind (good or bad that what I am thinking on) And you know what they say about Hollywood..

I don't know if it will be as dramatic so I can't say much on it...

KNOWING

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxPQhm_Aq-E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxPQhm_Aq-E
Uploaded by trailers on Mar 13, 2009
Release Date: 20 Mar 09
Genre: Science Fiction | Action
Cast: Nicolas Cage, Rose Byrne.
Director: Alex Proyas
Writers: Alex Proyas, Stuart Hazeldine, Juliet Snowden
Studio: Summit Entertainment

Plot:
An action-thriller of global proportions, Knowing centers on a professor who stumbles on terrifying predictions of imminent disaster and sets out to prevent them from coming true. Meanwhile, his young son is shadowed by mysterious strangers whose identities hold the key to the films surprise ending.

[Ilie Pandia]

Hello,

Serious question. It's my understanding that a Super Solar Storm, or magnetic storm has the potential to fry electronic devices and destroy big parts of the grid.

While I understand how that can cause major problems while the systems are being repaired, I really don't understand why is this such a big cause of concern?

The trailer above suggests we will be left with no electricity for more than 15 years. That makes absolutely no sense (given what I now know of how to produce electricity).

Also what is not clear is why should one go underground? What kind of problems are we talking about? Can a Solar storm fry our brains too?

Another possibility may be that the super magnetic storm will distort Earth's magnetic protection shield so much so that the Sun may be able to burn the surface, and that would be bad... going underground may be the only solution (at least short term).

And I find it a bit too strange that this event it supposed to hit at the end of 2012... with all the "end of the world" craze that will be super hyped by then...

While I don't doubt Bill's source, this feels a bit like controlled dis-information leaked via said source.

[Fred Steeves]

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Folks, I rest my case. Listen up. We're being told.

It's now coming at us thick and fast, more each month, in the mainstream media.


O.K. Bill, you've made your case. For the sake of argument, let's assume the worst, and that everything you've talked about here occurs. What would you recommend we do with this information? For example: My wife and I will be moved out of the city by the end of this month. We have food, a water source, survival items, and means for self defense. I'm also at peace with myself spiritually, so if I do find out one day we have 30 minutes to live, I'll make love to my wife one last time, pop a cold beer, and toast it coming in. What a ride!

Of course we could have the splitting of the timeline thing, which would not surprise me in the least. If that's the case, my consciousness is focused on a favorable outcome this pass around.

Seriously, what are we supposed to be doing, besides the basics I just described? I refuse to live in fear over any of these catostrophy scenarios. I do what I can: Prepare for the worst, make peace with Creation, and let the four winds blow. I also tend to think a lot of these Looking Glass guys are in for quite the surprise. Or not...http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/images/smilies/newadditions/smile.gif

Cheers Mate,
Fred

[Sebastion]

And I was wondering as well Bill if you have a cave or natural formation of some sort that will protect you and yours where you are?





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Folks, I rest my case. Listen up. We're being told.

It's now coming at us thick and fast, more each month, in the mainstream media.


O.K. Bill, you've made your case. For the sake of argument, let's assume the worst, and that everything you've talked about here occurs. What would you recommend we do with this information? For example: My wife and I will be moved out of the city by the end of this month. We have food, a water source, survival items, and means for self defense. I'm also at peace with myself spiritually, so if I do find out one day we have 30 minutes to live, I'll make love to my wife one last time, pop a cold beer, and toast it coming in. What a ride!

Of course we could have the splitting of the timeline thing, which would not surprise me in the least. If that's the case, my consciousness is focused on a favorable outcome this pass around.

Seriously, what are we supposed to be doing, besides the basics I just described? I refuse to live in fear over any of these catostrophy scenarios. I do what I can: Prepare for the worst, make peace with Creation, and let the four winds blow. I also tend to think a lot of these Looking Glass guys are in for quite the surprise. Or not...http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/images/smilies/newadditions/smile.gif

Cheers Mate,
Fred

[TargeT]

Hello,

Serious question. It's my understanding that a Super Solar Storm, or magnetic storm has the potential to fry electronic devices and destroy big parts of the grid.

While I understand how that can cause major problems while the systems are being repaired, I really don't understand why is this such a big cause of concern?

The trailer above suggests we will be left with no electricity for more than 15 years. That makes absolutely no sense (given what I now know of how to produce electricity).

Also what is not clear is why should one go underground? What kind of problems are we talking about? Can a Solar storm fry our brains too?

Another possibility may be that the super magnetic storm will distort Earth's magnetic protection shield so much so that the Sun may be able to burn the surface, and that would be bad... going underground may be the only solution (at least short term).

And I find it a bit too strange that this event it supposed to hit at the end of 2012... with all the "end of the world" craze that will be super hyped by then...

While I don't doubt Bill's source, this feels a bit like controlled dis-information leaked via said source.

Mostly it is the "grid" that we have all been depenant on for... ever (basically).

http://www.farm-dreams.com/profiles/blogs/what-is-a-cme-and-why-should-you-care-about-it

http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2009/21jan_severespaceweather/

http://articles.hbindependent.com/2012-03-14/entertainment/tn-hbi-0315-natural-20120314_1_solar-flare-coronal-mass-solar-wind/2

The multi-ton transformers that run the "back bone" of our power grids (globally) will be lost & it will take a long time to repair just one, and.... ALL OF THEM have to be repaired for the grid to function again (or most etc..)

not to mention the very real possibility of the CME acting like a huge EMP (which it basically is) and melting any transistor in sight (they are too delicate for that kind of energy exposure) that means anything with a transistor (read everything these days..) will stop functioning until repaired.

This vulnerability is due to our interdependant non-distributive way of living (IMO) if we had powerstations at every block or in every home this wouldn't be as much of an issue really as the scale of repair would be much smaller etc..


And I was wondering as well Bill if you have a cave or natural formation of some sort that will protect you and yours where you are?


I am not convinced that it will be overly harmful to humans DIRECTLY, it will however drastically change our lives.

I read an excellent book recently called "One Second After" which talks about this topic & the impending wave's of die offs that will accompany it.

[Ilie Pandia]

Hi TargeT,

Thanks for the info. Would taking the grid off line temporary help protect the transformers? And such a CME would hit only half of the planet that happens to be exposed to the Sun at that time, right?

Also, from what I've read is still not clear why we should go under-ground...

[Bill Ryan]

Hello,

Serious question. It's my understanding that a Super Solar Storm, or magnetic storm has the potential to fry electronic devices and destroy big parts of the grid.

While I understand how that can cause major problems while the systems are being repaired, I really don't understand why is this such a big cause of concern?

The trailer above suggests we will be left with no electricity for more than 15 years. That makes absolutely no sense (given what I now know of how to produce electricity).

Also what is not clear is why should one go underground? What kind of problems are we talking about? Can a Solar storm fry our brains too?

Another possibility may be that the super magnetic storm will distort Earth's magnetic protection shield so much so that the Sun may be able to burn the surface, and that would be bad... going underground may be the only solution (at least short term).

And I find it a bit too strange that this event it supposed to hit at the end of 2012... with all the "end of the world" craze that will be super hyped by then...

While I don't doubt Bill's source, this feels a bit like controlled dis-information leaked via said source.

Hi, Ilie: :)

The problem, I believe, would be the transformers. These are huge machines for which there are no spares.

They wouldn't have to be disabled for 15 years. Three months might be enough to kill tens of millions of people in the US alone -- as the gas pumps stop working, supermarket shelves empty, water stops flowing from the taps, and nuclear power stations go into emergency shutdown, with only a limited amount of diesel for their backup generators for the critically important cooling systems.

I think my source's comment about "going underground" was a joke (I understand his humor, and that remark is typical): but he might have been simply saying "Take this seriously, and be prepared".

That's the way I''m reading it. I'm not building an underground shelter! But I do have a stock of solar-rechargable batteries, a ham radio, EMP bags, ferrite surge suppressors (very cheap and easy to get, btw), and a bunch of other stuff that would be useful if the grid went down or the power went off for a while.

None of this cost a lot of money, and it'll last pretty much forever. It's just like having a spare tire in your car, and some jump leads, and a working jack, and an extra couple of cans of gas and some tools. Throw in a couple of warm blankets and a case of bottled water and some dried fruit and nuts, and that's simply sensible for any long trip -- in Romania, or on the Alaska Highway.

I'm wary and cautious (though what I was told is not disinformation, I'm sure, and I can write more later about how the contact came about) -- but it was a clear "warning", and we've had plenty of those that have not come to pass!

So I've not come out (like Wilcock and Drake...) with a dramatic announcement. The evidence is slowly accumulating that there may be a problem ahead, so I'm gradually saying more and more about what I feel I know.

***

Note that Ed Dames has recently modified his earlier very dramatic Killshot video, with a more sober and realistic analysis -- which he's sticking to -- and which I found far more credible and compelling that the original from a number of years ago. The new video can be found here:

http://disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/89907/Ed_Dames__The_Killshot_Remote_Viewing_Predictions

[ThePythonicCow]

Also what is not clear is why should one go underground? What kind of problems are we talking about? Can a Solar storm fry our brains too?
Good point.

No one got underground in the 1859 Carrington flare, and outside of some telegraph operators, hardly anyone noticed.

[Magnus]

Those insiders who presumably, somehow know that this is coming at us, still seems to find it important to drip-feed the public about it.

Isn't that rather strange when you consider an event of this magnitude, when it in general would be out of hand anyway?

Why do the insiders care one might ask. It would be plausible to suspect that there is another element involved in this equation, an element that pushes the insiders to gradually leak the info.

You may think of me as a silly, but Hidden Hand (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread402958/pg1) talked about Negative vs Positive graduation from 3:rd dimension, an energetic battle where it, as he said, was of great interest for the negative side to achieve critical mass among the population of earth. This would then allow the Luciferians to graduate into the negative eight dimension.

If this idea has any merit, it would all be about maximizing fear and negativity as hard and long as possible to tip the balance in favour of the Luciferians before the "Great harvest of souls" occur. This would be a crucial event in the endgame between, if you like, good and evil.

If this event strike with the force of extinction, direct or indirect, then we can just relax because we won't need our bodies after that anyway.

I don't endorse or promote any specific source or set of information, but rather exploring the possibilities.

It's interesting how information sometimes interlock, even though it generally hasn't been acknowledged as credible, or vice versa.

[taurad]

Hi Bill

is the 'BUTCHER' warning the lamb the night before the kill as a sign of torment, ridicule, sadism??

or

this is not the 'Butcher' at all, its his german sheppard feeling animal-to-animal compassion...

how do u read these signals??!!


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Spot the pattern, and the trend. See the above posts: National Geographic, NASA, the BBC... gradually more and more publicity to this problem.

We're being given heavy hints here. Our responsibility, of course, if we don't heed them.

[TargeT]

Hi TargeT,

Thanks for the info. Would taking the grid off line temporary help protect the transformers? And such a CME would hit only half of the planet that happens to be exposed to the Sun at that time, right?

Also, from what I've read is still not clear why we should go under-ground...


if you could predict the CME, and disconnect every transformer from the grid (specifically the power lines themselves) then yeah I think you could save most of them (I do not think this is possible currently), again this is all a matter of degree, who knows how big this CME will be, if its strong enough to melt transistors then I don't know that anything will be protected, you can insulate two posts as much as you want, but if you hit those posts with enough juice and there is a large enough difference in charge between the two something will happen regardless of your insulation.

as for one side of the planet being hit and not the other,, this takes a bit more electrical understanding than I have, space functions more like a highly charged electro-magnetic-gravitational field & I'm not sure how much it cares about line of sight with large scale CME bursts (This is also why planetary alignments seem to actually mean something, think of how changed our "path of least resistance" is when we have several planetary bodies (or eletrcro-magnetic-gravitational focal points) lined up.


The potential for a very dramatic life changing event is definately there; I'm pretty convinced the event itself will mean little to humans, its all the things that we've come to depend on that will instantly change & thus change us.

[gripreaper]

So now that the electric cartel has full control of electricity, by developing a grid that can be measured, distributed, and made scarce, where they can determine the price we pay, without any of the alternative sources of power allowed to be developed over the last century, their control grid has a very high potential of going down? And this grid, which is so vulnerable to a Carrington Type Event, is not being protected against such an event?

On another thread here on Avalon is a video by Winsor Galen about nuclear power,

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46819-A-video-they-won-t-want-you-to-see--Galen-Winsor-...

which he claims, quite credibly, that the technology exists where one small nuclear power generator could be set up and power ten city blocks with unlimited power, safely and without any waste? What about the opposing magnet type generators?

Can we say that the PTB do not care that the electrical grid might go down, at least for the majority of us? Can we say, since there is no measures being enacted to mitigate such an event, that they want the grid to go down?

What is the bottom line here?

[gripreaper]

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Hi, Houman -- thanks for jumping into this thread. :)

May I ask: in your personal opinion, is it possible that there are ways and means in classified science to predict, with some confidence, extreme peaks of solar activity a year or more in advance?If I may interject: wouldn't "they" have had to know much further in the past than one year, if the subterranean cities are real (and their escape from the impending solar storm)?

Would this point to some (at least perceived) credibility in the (supposed) "Looking Glass" or other future-viewing technology/technique? In other words, they could be completely wrong, but are operating under the assumption that whatever they picked-up in the future-casting was correct.

Dennis

Dennis, my understanding of any and all readings within the source field, that there is bias from the observer which influences the results.

[TargeT]

On another thread here on Avalon is a video by Winsor Galen about nuclear power,

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46819-A-video-they-won-t-want-you-to-see--Galen-Winsor-...

which he claims, quite credibly, that the technology exists where one small nuclear power generator could be set up and power ten city blocks with unlimited power, safely and without any waste?

Sure look up a LFTR, we created two nuclear reaction type plants in the 1940's, a LFTR and BREEDER reactor, guess which one we (anyone) AREN'T using......



What about the opposing magnet type generators?

what about em?



Can we say that the PTB do not care that the electrical grid might go down, at least for the majority of us? Can we say, since there is no measures being enacted to mitigate such an event, that they want the grid to go down?

What is the bottom line here?

I'd say the bottom line is this: something out there likes to feed off the energy (Gnostics called them archons, we can call them vampires, devils, ghosts, ET/ED… what ever) created during massive "negative" events, so our society is structured to constantly cause this to happen by its very function. be it war, riots, failure to handle natural disasters etc... I can only imagine this is done by design & intentionally (that's what I'm currently seeing in my "research").

[Cidersomerset]

Posted by Ilie Pandia (here)
Also what is not clear is why should one go underground? What kind of problems are we talking about? Can a Solar storm fry our brains too?
Good point.

No one got underground in the 1859 Carrington flare, and outside of some telegraph operators, hardly anyone noticed.

Thats what I was thinking......

But Bills answer covered that and the worlds population was much smaller and more agricultural based...

So the vast population centres would soon fall into chaos and this is possibly
what the authorities have been planning for with underground bases and thousands
of casket liners etc.....

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Right time for bed some of us have to be up early for work ....

I don't like to go to bed on a down thought.....

Remember we are eternal beings having a experiance
and if all goes 'pearshape' its not the end of the world..LOL
Well Maybe !!

I'm going to stock up with some essentials and better get some candles..


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Or more appropriate if we do get a mass ejection....

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Right it's Goodnight from him & It's Goodnight from me !!!!

[Cognitive Dissident]

This is obviously a very real and serious scenario. Unlikely, hopefully, but maybe the PTB know something is coming that we don't.

But here's the thing that doesn't make sense here: nuclear. In a prolongued power down scenario, it would be very difficult to supply diesel, support personnel, etc., to the hundreds/thousands of nuclear power stations that would be in emergency shutdown but probably fried/damaged and still very hot and radioactive and in need of constant attention, like Fukushima is now. How is possible that all of these nuclear power stations could be maintained safely? Answer: it is not.

But in that case, being in an underground base is not going to help you much, if the surface of the planet becomes radioactive.

The logical approach would be to shut down the nuclear power stations well in advance of the problematic CME, i.e. round about now. You can even use Fukushima as a pretext. Pretty good reason, actually. This is what the Germans have done (although the shut down is fast in nuclear terms it is several years from now I think).

So, in summary, this scenario doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

Also, whether Courtney Brown's remote viewing of June 2013 is correct or not, I think is also an important factor to consider (no time to unpack this thought now, just a flag).

[gripreaper]

I’m trying to connect the dots here. Regardless of ancient history with regards to the seeding of this planet, or the grand experiment of external technology versus the internal technology, something happened around 70 years ago that changed everything.

The elite were moving along just fine, amassing wealth, imperialistically raping continents, causing WW1 and WW11, mass genocides like the Spanish Flu, forcing debt based fiat currencies to consolidate all of the assets and power into their hands, and then all of a sudden, around the mid 1940’s they shifted gears.

They developed a shadow economy and a shadowy way to fund shadow black projects, imported all of the best scientists and engineers into the United States, poured massive amounts of capital on everybody and everything, and went like a bat out of hell nonstop for seven decades! They gave little regard at all for the environment or the people, or their electric grid or their oil cartels or their banking systems. They killed anyone who talked about it, and headed off at the pass and destroyed anyone who tried anything not in line with their agenda.

What in the hell happened? Trying to connect the dots, by supposition, based on all of the information I have gleaned over the past several years is, at Montauk, they BLEW A HOLE in the space/time continuum and ripped and tore it and CHANGED how the energetic element interacted.

Not only did this event change everything, it also got the attention of the extraterrestrials from many quadrants of the cosmos. What the implications are of this event and how it ultimately would manifest is anybody’s guess, although it appears the elite have been preparing for every possible contingency to protect themselves, while totally ignoring us.

At both extremes we have the New Age love and light hippies huddled in the corner holding hands singing Kumbaya, and on the other extreme we have the discordant miscreants yelling and screaming at the castle walls and throwing rotten eggs at it. I'm tired of the extremes. Somewhere in the middle is us, those who are looking to create a future world where the psychopaths no longer run things, or screw them up so bad that they cannot be fixed.

I would really like to connect all of the dots without fear, with as much critical thinking and cognitive reasoning and collating of information and distillation as possible, into what makes the most sense. So far, we are speculating about an extinction level event which might happen because it was viewed, either technologically through looking glass, or through remote viewing, or was a message delivered to us via aliens. I don’t know. Sure would like to know.

Suffice it to say, the “harvest of souls”, as others have indicated, requires the maximum amount of fear possible before the ultimate human sacrifice can be made to the soulless Archon’s, or whoever they are. If the final curtain call for the human experiment is to offer up all of the energy of this planet to the vampires, then there is nothing I can do about that, is there?

If the call is to stand in my own power, as sovereign as I possibly can, reject all of the games of mice and men, and move into a Kundalini awakening, and transcend 3d, then I can do something with that.

More than likely the outcome is somewhere in the middle.

[Cognitive Dissident]

I agree, it does all get complicated pretty fast. Just as we cannot understand the current situation without understanding the ET presence, also we probably can't understand it without understanding what happened at Montauk and the whole time travel thing. Unfortunately we may need to also consider the Babylon working, which leads us down the Crowley/Parsons/L Ron Hubbard rabbit hole. That working could also have opened some portals that should have remained closed.

Also, very important to bear in mind the many sources that have told us that exploding nuclear bombs (in war or in tests) creates tears in the space time fabric which can have negative and as yet unknown consequences. How often do the ETs tell people to stop nuclear activities?

[Jeffrey]

Bump that Bill.

http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/89907/Ed_Dames__The_Killshot_Remote_Viewing_Predictions/

and more on Ed Dames here:

http://www.mindpowernews.com/DrDoom.htm

[TargeT]

I would really like to connect all of the dots without fear, with as much critical thinking and cognitive reasoning and collating of information and distillation as possible, into what makes the most sense. So far, we are speculating about an extinction level event which might happen because it was viewed, either technologically through looking glass, or through remote viewing, or was a message delivered to us via aliens. .

Well I'm not so sure where I stand with the Looking Glass material, BUT, I will say this:

a large CME is NOT an ELE (extinction level event), the only danger there is unprepared people who are living so far disconnected from nature that they won't handle (mental or physically) the transition well (and probably won't survive it).


EXERSIZE: look around you right now, what if you had NO transportation, no power, no natural gas, no water pumped into your house, no way to store food or get medicine that is not with in walking range.

now think about the millions/billions of people out there and consider them running through this exersize, the majority of the results would be very very "bad" for survival.

that's the only thing to "fear" (and not even that IMO,, just be 'aware' of it) and its honestly very managable RIGHT NOW :becky:

[gripreaper]

I agree, it does all get complicated pretty fast. Just as we cannot understand the current situation without understanding the ET presence, also we probably can't understand it without understanding what happened at Montauk and the whole time travel thing. Unfortunately we may need to also consider the Babylon working, which leads us down the Crowley/Parsons/L Ron Hubbard rabbit hole. That working could also have opened some portals that should have remained closed.

Also, very important to bear in mind the many sources that have told us that exploding nuclear bombs (in war or in tests) creates tears in the space time fabric which can have negative and as yet unknown consequences. How often do the ETs tell people to stop nuclear activities?

Apparently it would only take a few more nuclear detonations to totally rip the planet apart and make it into an asteroid belt.

I think even the elite know now that they screwed up on so many levels messing with the fabric of time and space.

[Bongo]

Bump that Bill.

http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/89907/Ed_Dames__The_Killshot_Remote_Viewing_Predictions/

One thing that Ed Dames doesn't explain in that vid is that remote viewers are unable to tell the difference between some of the timelines. Obviously where they can see big differences they can tell the difference (things they saw but never happened, in this timeline at least), but... say if they do 100 remote viewer sessions they could potentially be remote viewing up to 100 different timelines but because they all seem from the same timeline it would be easy to group them together when they may not be related.

[TargeT]

In a prolongued power down scenario, it would be very difficult to supply diesel, support personnel, etc., to the hundreds/thousands of nuclear power stations that would be in emergency shutdown but probably fried/damaged and still very hot and radioactive and in need of constant attention, like Fukushima is now. How is possible that all of these nuclear power stations could be maintained safely? Answer: it is not.

But in that case, being in an underground base is not going to help you much, if the surface of the planet becomes radioactive.

The logical approach would be to shut down the nuclear power stations well in advance of the problematic CME, i.e. round about now. You can even use Fukushima as a pretext. Pretty good reason, actually. This is what the Germans have done (although the shut down is fast in nuclear terms it is several years from now I think)



Apparently it would only take a few more nuclear detonations to totally rip the planet apart and make it into an asteroid belt.

I think even the elite know now that they screwed up on so many levels messing with the fabric of time and space.

I'm a bit fuzzy on the nuclear det.s causing time/space rips.. so I'll leave that one alone for now....

What if radiation was actually GOOD for you and you have been lied to your whole life?

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46819-A-video-they-won-t-want-you-to-see--Galen-Winsor-nuclear-scam-/

Nuclear radiation (when not in a doctors hands, a bomb or an ACTIVE nuclear REACTION (inside the reactor chamber AS it happens)) is perfectly safe, do not fear that.


I think the huge Nuclear FEAR scam is playing out (mostly) exactly as desired and there is a bit of a reflection of it being played out here.

[Maunagarjana]

And I find it a bit too strange that this event it supposed to hit at the end of 2012... with all the "end of the world" craze that will be super hyped by then...

While I don't doubt Bill's source, this feels a bit like controlled dis-information leaked via said source.

No one can deny that solar flares have been really active this last year and are projected to become much more active and powerful next year. We haven't even reached solar maximum yet. If more of these flares, especially the X-class flares, would have been pointed near us, the idea that this is disinfo would seem pretty ridiculous, imho. I think the people on the "inside" are very concerned about this and have been for a long time. My best guess, from all the info I have digested, is that the most dangerous period of time for something to happen would be March-April 2013, but it could happen before or after that window, and really, we won't be completely out of the woods until 2014.

[gripreaper]

Nuclear radiation (when not in a doctors hands, a bomb or an ACTIVE nuclear REACTION (inside the reactor chamber AS it happens)) is perfectly safe, do not fear that.

I think the huge Nuclear FEAR scam is playing out (mostly) exactly as desired and there is a bit of a reflection of it being played out here.

I'm not talking about radiation. I've listened and done the research on Winsor Galen's work. I'm talking about ripping the space/time continuum.

Oh, and I don't embrace or operate in fear either.

[Bill Ryan]

My best guess, from all the info I have digested, is that the most dangerous period of time for something to happen would be March-April 2013, but it could happen before or after that window, and really, we won't be completely out of the woods until 2014.

I'd agree. After I received the most recent exchange with my physicist contact (who had warned me of an 1859-type event round about December-January -- see above), I went to visit Dr Bill Deagle, believing that this information might be of interest to him.

Dr Bill was not in the least fazed: this was rather old news, as far as he was concerned. His view -- including information gleaned from his own sources -- was that there might be a series of serious solar events over a several month period: not just one. The damage to systems might be cumulative... like a boxer downed from an onslaught of heavy punches.

[Jeffrey]

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http://solarstormwarning.com/

Also, this from http://www.nasa.gov/centers/hq/emergency/personalPreparedness/index.html



The NASA Family/Personal Preparedness Program is designed to provide awareness, resources, and tools to the NASA Family (civil servants and contractors) to prepare for an emergency situation. The most important assets in the successful completion of NASA’s mission are our employees’ and their families. We are taking the steps to prepare our workforce, but it is your personal obligation to prepare yourself and your families for emergencies.

Listen to Administrator Bolden’s thoughts on why it’s important that we “know our stuff” and “be prepared”.
Administrator, Charles F. Bolden, Jr. Video

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[Maunagarjana]

I would like to mention the curious case of BrightGarlick, an alleged ET contactee. He is a former member of Avalon, a member from before my time here. I found his blog http://otherworldyencounters.wordpress.com/ and he's been talking about a solar catastrophe on it lately, saying that he's been shown by his ET contacts that this will happen (among other bad events, such as the nuking of Tehran by Israel and other things.) He's convinced this will happen, but says he will be glad to be wrong. Just go to his site and click on tags at the bottom of his most recent post and you'll see what I mean.

I would be remiss if I didn't mention that he left Avalon after people became upset with him when he said he had been told by his ET contacts (who have told him they were among the groups responsible for creating us) that there are no negative ETs and that reptilians don't exist and are a creation of the human imagination. I would have mentioned this guy earlier, but I know many will dismiss him for his comments about there being no negative ETs, and also, he has said that he is glad he has avoided becoming some internet celebrity. Despite having a blog, it doesn't seem like he wants a large amount of attention and is quite comfortable with his blog's miniscule audience. He also does not seem interested in arguing with anyone who disagrees with him. That's why he left Avalon, after all. But I thought I should mention it anyway because he has said he will post a "solar alert" if he thinks something is about to happen.

[Jeffrey]

NASA: Solar storm warning satellite ACE 'could falter soon'

March 13, 2012 - Washington: A US satellite that gives the only advance warnings of incoming solar storms is far more than a ten years previous its expected orbital lifetime and is possibly on its last legs, scientists say.

Stationed close to 1 million miles from Earth. NASA's Superior Composition Explorer satellite, nicknamed ACE, cautions about incoming high-energy particles from the sun which can wreak havoc on radio, GPS, satellite communications that are now embedded in present day life.

"It would be a very undesirable day for us if that spacecraft was not doing work,"� the Discovery Information quoted William Murtagh, program coordinator for NOAA's Space Weather Prediction Center in Boulder, Colo., as declaring.

"When an eruption takes place on the sun, there are nevertheless really a number of concern marks as to if it's going to strike the Earth and when it's going to strike the Earth."

Till the sun's free of charge-flying and extremely energetic outbursts, acknowledged as coronal mass ejections, hit the ACE spacecraft, forecasters are not acquainted with the orientation of their embedded magnetic fields.

Dependent on the polarity, or alignment, Earth's magnetic shield will possibly peel away, providing the highly billed particles a lot more freedom to disturb electrically delicate gear and communications, or rebuff the particles, like what occurred for the duration of this week's outburst.

Read more: http://www.disclose.tv/news/NASA_Solar_storm_warning_satellite_ACE_could_falter_soon/84552#ixzz20GZtkQg4

[Jeffrey]

Voyager Discovers Magnetized Fluff

Interstellar space is fluffy. This is true. What's more, the veteran Voyager probes have just discovered that this fluff is more magnetized than previously believed, a factor that seems to allow its very existence.

Of course, this fluff isn't made from the dust bunnies you find under your bed, the 'Local Fluff' (a nickname for the Local Interstellar Cloud) is a vast, wispy cloud of hot hydrogen and helium stretching 30 light-years across.

Our solar system is powering its way right through the Local Fluff and Voyagers 1 and 2 are currently traversing the boundary that separates the bubble of space surrounding our sun (a.k.a. the heliosphere) and interstellar space.

Supernova Exhaust

These two probes -- launched in the 1970's to explore the outermost reaches of the solar system and then cruise into the unknown -- have been making measurements of their surroundings during this transition through the boundary region (or the 'heliosheath').

Although they haven't entered the Local Fluff quite yet, the Voyagers are sampling the characteristics of the heliosheath, indirectly gauging the magnetic field of the Local Fluff they are quickly approaching.

Approximately 10 million years ago, a supernova cluster detonated nearby, generating a huge bubble of million-degree gas. Researchers have been very confused as to why the Local Fluff remains intact; it should have been blown away by the ferocious supernovae exhaust long ago.

It would be like expecting a wisp of cigarette smoke to retain its structure in the middle of a tornado; some kind of force would need to be surrounding (or intertwined through) the smoke helping it resist being dispersed. In the case of the wispy Local Fluff, a magnetic field may be helping.

Magnetized Fluff

"Voyager data show that the Fluff is much more strongly magnetized than anyone had previously suspected -- between 4 and 5 microgauss," said Merav Opher, a NASA Heliophysics Guest Investigator from George Mason University and lead author of research published in Nature on Dec. 24. "This magnetic field can provide the extra pressure required to resist destruction."

Astrophysical magnetic fields are often measured in units of gauss; the Earth has a magnetic field of approximately 0.5 gauss (or 500,000 microgauss). Therefore, 4 to 5 microgauss may seem pretty weak in comparison, but this field covers astonishing scales, appearing to wrap around a very tenuous hydrogen/helium gas, possibly helping the Local Fluff maintain its structure.

However, the Voyagers aren't inside the Fluff yet, how can they measure the cloud's magnetic field strength? By measuring the size of the heliosphere (which is maintained by the outward magnetic pressure of the sun's magnetic field), the probes have been able to deduce how much inward magnetic pressure is pushing down on the heliosphere. This inward pressure is being caused by the Local Fluff, so its magnetic field can be indirectly measured.

More Fluff, More Encounters

The Local Interstellar Cloud isn't the only cloud of fluff out there, and now Opher theorizes that other interstellar cloud formations may be highly magnetized too.

As the solar system continues to orbit around the galactic disk, it will encounter more clouds, deforming the heliosphere to lesser or greater degrees, potentially influencing life on Earth.

Cosmic rays originating from outside the solar system continuously bombard our atmosphere, but the quantity of these high-energy particles that rain down are influenced by the amount our heliosphere is deformed. The greater the pressure, the smaller the heliosphere becomes, and the more cosmic rays enter the inner solar system.

Not only could this have influenced our atmospheric dynamics in the past, it could impact future human spaceflight within the solar system. Let's face it, a deluge of highly energetic particles is bad news for any unprotected astronaut.

Source: http://news.discovery.com/space/voyager-discovers-magnetized-fluff.html

[bearcow]

There is a possibility that there will be a false flag attack at the Olympics that will start a large scale war.

There is a possibility CERN will rip a hole in the dimensions allowing some nasty astral entities to wreak havoc in the physical world

There is a possibility a military made virus will be unleashed and cut off all higher brain function in those not vaccinated against it.

There is a possibility the economic stability of the world at large will go down the tubes, starting wars and food shortages.

And yes, there is a possibility that solar activity could wipe out the electrical grid, causing great hardship.

the truth is, none of us know what, if any of these scenarios will occur, but what the average person can do about any of this, besides being aware is this:



But I do have a stock of solar-rechargable batteries, a ham radio, EMP bags, ferrite surge suppressors (very cheap and easy to get, btw), and a bunch of other stuff that would be useful if the grid went down or the power went off for a while.

None of this cost a lot of money, and it'll last pretty much forever. It's just like having a spare tire in your car, and some jump leads, and a working jack, and an extra couple of cans of gas and some tools. Throw in a couple of warm blankets and a case of bottled water and some dried fruit and nuts, and that's simply sensible for any long trip -- in Romania, or on the Alaska Highway.


like the boy scouts say, "be prepared"

with respect, this is all the average person can do.

[Houman]

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Folks, I rest my case. Listen up. We're being told.

It's now coming at us thick and fast, more each month, in the mainstream media.

Again: what I was informed in writing, by a credible source with a TS clearance -- a gifted physicist whose name most in the alternative media would know, who also told me who he now worked for and reported to -- is that the current expectation was for an 1859-scale event to hit us sometime in the December-January timeframe. I first heard about this from him in October 2007 (believe it or not) -- and then again in March of this year.

He joked that I should "get a lot of sunblock, or better still, go underground" -- and then, more seriously, in response to my questions, said that it was not known to what degree the grid and electronic components would be affected worldwide, but that the scale of the event was expected to exceed the 1859 Carrington Event.. [My emphasis]

As I wrote earlier in this thread, he did not say how this detailed forecast was known to the insiders. He apologized for not being able to say more -- implying clearly that he knew more but was constrained by his national security responsibility.

I've been watching this play out, and gathering information (I have quite a lot now). I have no way of verifying any of this, but it looks more and more likely that this is a real situation that could be a very major one. For those of you who have missed it, please read carefully this exchange I had in April 2009 -- which alerted me to the seriousness of an approaching problem that had a lot of engineers very worried.

http://projectcamelot.org/electrical_engineer.html

http://www.naturalnews.com/033564_solar_flares_nuclear_power_plants.html

[Jeffrey]

There is a possibility that there will be a false flag attack at the Olympics that will start a large scale war.

There is a possibility CERN will rip a hole in the dimensions allowing some nasty astral entities to wreak havoc in the physical world

There is a possibility a military made virus will be unleashed and cut off all higher brain function in those not vaccinated against it.

There is a possibility the economic stability of the world at large will go down the tubes, starting wars and food shortages.

And yes, there is a possibility that solar activity could wipe out the electrical grid, causing great hardship.

the truth is, none of us know what, if any of these scenarios will occur, but what the average person can do about any of this, besides being aware is this:



But I do have a stock of solar-rechargable batteries, a ham radio, EMP bags, ferrite surge suppressors (very cheap and easy to get, btw), and a bunch of other stuff that would be useful if the grid went down or the power went off for a while.

None of this cost a lot of money, and it'll last pretty much forever. It's just like having a spare tire in your car, and some jump leads, and a working jack, and an extra couple of cans of gas and some tools. Throw in a couple of warm blankets and a case of bottled water and some dried fruit and nuts, and that's simply sensible for any long trip -- in Romania, or on the Alaska Highway.


like the boy scouts say, "be prepared"

with respect, this is all the average person can do.

I second that.

Don't be scared, be prepared.

[Maunagarjana]

Those insiders who presumably, somehow know that this is coming at us, still seems to find it important to drip-feed the public about it. Isn't that rather strange when you consider an event of this magnitude, when it in general would be out of hand anyway. Why do the insiders care one might ask. It would be plausible to suspect that there is another element involved in this equation, an element that pushes the insiders to gradually leak the info. You may think of me as a silly, but Hidden Hand (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread402958/pg1) talked about Negative vs Positive graduation from 3:rd dimension, an energetic battle where it, as he said, was of great interest for the negative side to achieve critical mass among the population of earth. This would then allow the Luciferians to graduate into the negative eight dimension.

If this idea has any merit, it would all be about maximising fear and negativity as hard and long as possible to tip the balance in favour of the Luciferians before the "Great harvest of souls" occur. This would be a crucial event in the endgame between, if you like, good and evil.

If this event strike with the force of extinction, direct or indirect, then we can just relax because we won't need our bodies after that anyway.

I don't endorse or promote any specific source or set of information, but rather exploring the possibilities.

It's interesting how information sometimes interlock, even though it generally hasn't been acknowledged as credible.

At this point I think "Hidden Hand" was a hoax, which I had initially suspected. David Wilcock has said he has spoken with the person who did the hoax, who he says is a fan of his site. You said you don't endorse or promote it, so I'm not attacking you, just pointing that out.

[Lazlo]

A little perspective on transformers.

Transformers are everything. Ohm's law says that Power = Voltage * Current. Voltage = Current * Resistance. In layman's terms, in order to transmit a lot of power through a relatively small cable, you need to do it at a high voltage so that you don't cook the wires. The transformer steps the transmission voltage down to a useable level at the local distribution stage, and then other transformers get it down to a voltage that can be used in your home or business.

Large transformers that are used in substations are each unique and are built by hand. There are a limited number of factories that can make them, anywhere on the planet. The lead time, if you need to order one today, is about a year. One year if everything is going right: the copper is being mined and refined, processed into sheets, delivered, cut, formed and wrapped into the transformer core. Then you need the refined oils to act as the insulator/coolant. The body has to be welded together after the "guts" are assembled, etc, etc, etc...

The life expectancy of a transformer is about 40 years. The AVERAGE age of a transformer in the US is about 43 years. That's right, on average, our key infrastructure is past its' expected useful life.

What happens during a severe solar event is that the lines act as big antennas and induce DC into the transformers, and they essentially melt.

I lost a "small" transformer a couple of years ago. By small I am referring to a 1MVA unit that is about the size of what you would use for a big box store, small manufacturing facility, small hospital, that sort of thing. a 1MVA unit weighs about 7,000 pounds and is filled with about 500 gallons of oil. It took me 2 1/2 months to get a replacement, and I already had a spare on order for 3 months before I asked the manufacturer to expedite. Same thing happened again earlier this year and I had to wait 5 months for delivery.

In 1859, during the Carrington Event, there wasn't an infrastructure to speak of, and people didn't depend on it. The vast majority of humans still produced at least some of their own food. If you shut off the power to LA today and tell people that it won't be back on, you have a Mad Max scenario forming in under three days. Heck, LA might not even be that bad in the long run considering the farming that goes on in the central and imperial valleys. Phoenix or Las Vegas, on the other hand....

There's a reason why the governement takes this stuff seriously, setting aside any speculation about future events. The blackout in San Diego last fall was caused by a technician pushing the wrong button in a substation while performing routine maintenance. That should give you an idea of just how fragile things are.

[Jeffrey]

Mausumi Dikpati: A Storm is Coming

March 10, 2006: It's official: Solar minimum has arrived. Sunspots have all but vanished. Solar flares are nonexistent. The sun is utterly quiet.

Like the quiet before a storm.

This week researchers announced that a storm is coming--the most intense solar maximum in fifty years. The prediction comes from a team led by Mausumi Dikpati of the National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR). "The next sunspot cycle will be 30% to 50% stronger than the previous one," she says. If correct, the years ahead could produce a burst of solar activity second only to the historic Solar Max of 1958.

...

Dikpati's prediction is unprecedented. In nearly-two centuries since the 11-year sunspot cycle was discovered, scientists have struggled to predict the size of future maxima—and failed. Solar maxima can be intense, as in 1958, or barely detectable, as in 1805, obeying no obvious pattern.

The key to the mystery, Dikpati realized years ago, is a conveyor belt on the sun.

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The sun's conveyor belt is a current, not of water, but of electrically-conducting gas. It flows in a loop from the sun's equator to the poles and back again. Just as the Great Ocean Conveyor Belt controls weather on Earth, this solar conveyor belt controls weather on the sun. Specifically, it controls the sunspot cycle.

Solar physicist David Hathaway of the National Space Science & Technology Center (NSSTC) explains: "First, remember what sunspots are--tangled knots of magnetism generated by the sun's inner dynamo. A typical sunspot exists for just a few weeks. Then it decays, leaving behind a 'corpse' of weak magnetic fields."

Enter the conveyor belt.

http://science.nasa.gov/media/medialibrary/2007/08/05/10mar_stormwarning_resources/conveyorbelt.jpg

"The top of the conveyor belt skims the surface of the sun, sweeping up the magnetic fields of old, dead sunspots. The 'corpses' are dragged down at the poles to a depth of 200,000 km where the sun's magnetic dynamo can amplify them. Once the corpses (magnetic knots) are reincarnated (amplified), they become buoyant and float back to the surface." Presto—new sunspots!

All this happens with massive slowness. "It takes about 40 years for the belt to complete one loop," says Hathaway. The speed varies "anywhere from a 50-year pace (slow) to a 30-year pace (fast)."

When the belt is turning "fast," it means that lots of magnetic fields are being swept up, and that a future sunspot cycle is going to be intense. This is a basis for forecasting: "The belt was turning fast in 1986-1996," says Hathaway. "Old magnetic fields swept up then should re-appear as big sunspots in 2010-2011."

Like most experts in the field, Hathaway has confidence in the conveyor belt model and agrees with Dikpati that the next solar maximum should be a doozy. But he disagrees with one point. Dikpati's forecast puts Solar Max at 2012. Hathaway believes it will arrive sooner, in 2010 or 2011.

"History shows that big sunspot cycles 'ramp up' faster than small ones," he says. "I expect to see the first sunspots of the next cycle appear in late 2006 or 2007—and Solar Max to be underway by 2010 or 2011."

Who's right? Time will tell. Either way, a storm is coming.

Excerpts from: http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2006/10mar_stormwarning/

More information on the Predictive Flux-transport Dynamo Model (say that 5 times fast):

http://www.space.com/2124-model-predicts-intense-solar-storms.html

[Houman]

http://www.pakalertpress.com/2012/07/10/super-event-warned-near-as-weather-chaos-pounds-planet/

"A grim report prepared by the Russian Academy of Sciences (RAS) for President Putin on the catastrophic flooding in the ‎Krasnodar region that has killed at least 144 people warns that our world is fast approaching what is termed as a “Chizhevsky Super Event” due to the rapidly growing number of sunspots that continue to hurl M and X Class Flares towards Earth causing continued and massive global weather chaos."

[Jeffrey]

http://www.pakalertpress.com/2012/07/10/super-event-warned-near-as-weather-chaos-pounds-planet/

"A grim report prepared by the Russian Academy of Sciences (RAS) for President Putin on the catastrophic flooding in the ‎Krasnodar region that has killed at least 144 people warns that our world is fast approaching what is termed as a “Chizhevsky Super Event” due to the rapidly growing number of sunspots that continue to hurl M and X Class Flares towards Earth causing continued and massive global weather chaos."

I'm looking more at this one, and I noticed a lot of the information links back to Sorcha Faal. Still digging.

[Maunagarjana]

http://www.naturalnews.com/033564_solar_flares_nuclear_power_plants.html

I would really like to know if what is discussed in that article is really possible. This is the giant radioactive mastodon in the room. Could they have backup power on reactor cooling systems that we have no idea about? Massive power outage would be bad enough, but a slew of Fukushimas across the globe....I don't even want to think of it. I will have to assume that they have prepared for this until proven otherwise.

[Houman]

http://www.naturalnews.com/033564_solar_flares_nuclear_power_plants.html

I would really like to know if what is discussed in that article is really possible. This is the giant radioactive mastodon in the room. Could they have backup power on reactor cooling systems that we have no idea about? Massive power outage would be bad enough, but a slew of Fukushimas across the globe....I don't even want to think of it. I will have to assume that they have prepared for this until proven otherwise.

nope, only 2 weeks of diesel backup power for cooling systems...

[Bill Ryan]

http://naturalnews.com/033564_solar_flares_nuclear_power_plants.html

I would really like to know if what is discussed in that article is really possible. This is the giant radioactive mastodon in the room. Could they have backup power on reactor cooling systems that we have no idea about? Massive power outage would be bad enough, but a slew of Fukushimas across the globe....I don't even want to think of it. I will have to assume that they have prepared for this until proven otherwise.

It's real. Here's another reference:

http://truth-out.org/news/item/7301-400-chernobyls-solar-flares-electromagnetic-pulses-and-nuclear-armageddon

Four Hundred Chernobyls:
Solar Flares, Electromagnetic Pulses and Nuclear Armageddon

(must read...)

Also archived as a PDF, here:

http://projectavalon.net/resources/Solar_Flares_EMP_and_Nuclear_Armageddon_Matthew_Stein.pdf



I don't even want to think of it. I will have to assume that they have prepared for this until proven otherwise.

nope, only 2 weeks of diesel backup power for cooling systems...

Houman is correct.

[Magnus]

At this point I think "Hidden Hand" was a hoax, which I had initially suspected. David Wilcock has said he has spoken with the person who did the hoax, who he says is a fan of his site. You said you don't endorse or promote it, so I'm not attacking you, just pointing that out.
Thanks, i'm aware, and it's a good thing that you brought it up, for the sake of clarity. I should have done it myself, i apologize!

Even if it's true that HH was a hoax, his claims are still as good as many whistleblowers.
Regarding Wilcock, i admit that he has a sharp mind and are very knowledgable, but in my opinion he has in many ways lost touch with reality. It would do him good to filter his ideas through someone like Bill.

[Jeffrey]

Post-2012 Earth Changes
A Global Climate Change Remote-Viewing Study of Multiple Realities, Timelines, and Events

By Courtney Brown

Introduction: We at The Farsight Institute are currently engaged in a fascinating study using remote viewing to study climate and planetary change between the years 2008 and 2013. The initial results appear dramatic on a global scale, and our research does indeed suggest that major global change is a possibility between now and 2013. However, web site visitors are reminded that this is research, not certitude. Remember what Albert Einstein once said, "If we knew what we were doing, it wouldn't be called research, would it?" Web site visitors are encouraged to examine all of our results carefully, and learn with us as we complete this experiment in mid-2013. We will not fully understand these remote-viewing data until the experiment is completed at that time.

How we obtain these results is a bit complicated, but it is worth the effort to understand our methods. The actual types of global change is discussed in the second part of the video presentation below, but the first part of this presentation is absolutely essential to understand how these results were obtained. Web site visitors should watch both parts of the video presentation. This presentation was given during the 29th Annual Meeting of the Society for Scientific Exploration in Boulder, Colorado in June 2010.

This is the most carefully collected set of professional-grade remote-viewing data involving this time span that currently exists. This experiment is potentially one of the most significant experiments ever attempted using remote viewing as a data-collection platform.

Initial Results:

This project describes change between the years 2008 and 2013 across nine geographical locations with a global spread. The locations are:




1.Vaitupu, Tuvalu
2.Fort Jesus, Mombasa Kenya
3.Sydney Opera House, Sydney, Australia
4.Mount Kilimanjaro, Tanzania
5.United States Congress Building, Washington, D.C.
6.Malé International Airport, Malé, Maldives
7.KITV Building, Honolulu, Hawaii
8.The Vehicle Assembly Building at Launch Complex 39, Kennedy Space Center, Merritt Island, Florida
9.Key West, Florida

In general, these remote-viewing data suggest the following types of physical changes across many of the above geographical locations by mid-2013:




1.Impacts from what appear to be large meteors leading to tsunamis and possible volcanism
2.Extensive and forceful flooding of coastal areas
3.Excessive solar radiation
4.Storms and other severe weather

In terms of the effects of these changes on humans, these data also suggest:




1.Massive self-organized relocation from coastal areas (refugees)
2.The breakdown of rescue or other notable governmental functioning
3.The breakdown of the food supply system
4.The breakdown of the vehicular transport system
5.Extensive loss of buildings near coasts

Oddly, these results largely parallel recent warnings being issued by NASA relating to the dangers of severe solar storms anticipated around the years 2012 and 2013 that would threaten the global long-term use of electricity. NASA is not currently explaining exactly why these unprecedented and severe storms are anticipated, but the warnings themselves could not be more clear. Meteor impacts are not included in the current set of NASA warnings.

For this project, all targets are assigned two timelines for the date 1 June 2013. This allows us to attempt to use remote viewing to describe alternative futures by specifying characteristics of future timelines. Web site visitors who are not familiar with our research into multiple realities might want to view this introductory video presentation on the subject.

The two 2013 timelines examined in this study are -

Timeline A: 1 June 2013, 12 noon target local time, following the timeline in which the leadership of the mainstream global scientific establishment continues to ignore or deny (1) the reality of the remote-viewing phenomenon, and (2) the existence of life not originating from Earth.

Timeline B: 1 June 2013, 12 noon target local time, following the timeline in which by the end of 2009 leaders of the mainstream global scientific establishment publicly recognize (1) the reality of the remote-viewing phenomenon, and (2) the existence of life not originating from Earth.

The results of this study do suggest that there is a difference between the two timelines. These data suggest that the impact of planetary change is less severe for Timeline B as compared with Timeline A. This suggests that having the mainstream scientific community openly acknowledge the reality of remote viewing and life (even microbial) not originating on Earth may help ameliorate the impact of severe planetary change, perhaps by giving people a greater chance to prepare for the changes. The Key West target was added late in the study to explore a timeline in which the scientific community recognizes the reality of remote viewing and the existence of extraterrestrial life by 2011.

Here are links to some of the data and analyses for the current project.




•Remote-viewing sessions for all targets and all dates (http://farsight.org/demo/Demo2008/Climate_RV_Project_Target_Results_Download_Page.html)
•Remote-viewing "Clarity Scores" for the 2008 targets, plus links to session evaluations (http://farsight.org/demo/Demo2008/Results_for_1June2008.html)
•The targets for this study (http://farsight.org/demo/Demo2008/Target_Files.html)

Speculation

Predicting any event on a single timeline may involve (1) using remote viewing to examine alternate timelines to check for unusual events, and (2) looking for clues in a given present to see if anything that is currently happening suggests that the future events perceived in the alternate timelines might be possible for our most likely future. Thus, if the above results are indeed correct for the two specified timelines (Timelines A and B), then it is natural to ask if the results are relevant for our most likely future timeline. Since it seems likely that major governments would be aware in advance of most near term global threats, then it also seems likely that they would take some actions that would reflect their anticipation of those events. These actions would likely not be explained to the masses to avoid panic. Below is a list of largely anomalous governmental actions that may indicate an awareness of a near term global threat that is suggested by these remote-viewing data. Again, these are only speculations, none of which "prove" anything. But considered collectively, they are exceptionally odd.


1.The U.S. Space Shuttle will launch its last mission in mid-2011. At that time, NASA is entirely abandoning its government-funded manned spaceflight program. Given the investment that the U.S. has made in launching humans into space since the 1960s, this is odd, especially since private efforts to launch humans into space are years away, and currently unproven. It is as if the government does not anticipate being able to launch humans into space in the near future for reasons not currently stated.

2.The Svalbard Global Seed Vault is being sealed in 2011. This will allow the world to restart agriculture given a global catastrophe. The United Nations formally inspected the facility, which might seem odd for a Norwegian project. The timing of this project seems like a strange coincidence.

3.U.S. and global debt. It is as if various governments are not expecting to have to pay back their debts, perhaps anticipating a global economic reset due to reasons not currently stated.

4.The devaluing of the U.S. dollar seems to be a trend that will stay. Moody, Standard and Poor, and Fitch have announced that they may be devaluing the rating of U.S. Treasury bonds (see NY Times article, 15 March 2010, as well as the editorial on 20 March 2010), and there have been discussions within the United Nations of the International Monetary Fund phasing out its dependency on the U.S. dollar. The governments seem to be acting as if the U.S. dollar will be replaced as the global currency.

5.Digging, digging is everywhere. The U.S. has no nuclear enemies, yet it is digging huge underground facilities in inhospitable regions difficult for the masses to reach. Why? On the other hand, the Chinese tend to think collectively, and China is digging extraordinary subway complexes under most of its major cities in a crash program that seems odd in terms of timing and scope. See, for example, the NY Times article by Keith Bradsher, 27 March 2009. Subways are, of course, conveniently located underground tunnels, and such tunnels could house millions of people in an emergency. Russia announced in 2011 that it is adding 5,000 new nuclear bomb shelters in Moscow, enabling it to protect all of Moscow's residents. The program is to be rushed so that it is finished in 2012. Why? Russia has no nuclear enemies. Russia's new subway systems have also been placed deeper than needed so that they can be used as deep emergency shelters. Again, why? Why all these preparations, and why the rush?

6.NASA is now predicting that the Sun may generate unprecedented solar storms for a lengthy period in 2012-13. We cannot accurately predict Earth's normal weather a week in advance, and it is by no means clear how NASA can do this with respect unprecedented weather on the Sun years in advance. They are saying that we are more dependent on vulnerable computer technology now. But we had similar dependencies in 2001 and 1990 when previous 11-year solar cycles hit. What is different about the current cycle? Some might suggest that NASA is acting as if it has some extra information that is not currently stated.

Project Overview for the 1 June 2008 and 1 June 2013 Experiments:

The remote viewers participating in this study have remote viewed various geographically determined targets during two time periods: 1 June 2008 and 1 June 2013. This five-year gap will allow us to look for planetary change that may occur over that period. We are also aware that popular culture views the year 2012 as potentially significant, and some people may be interested in following our results because of this. (No reason scientific studies can't be fun!)

From our past research (http://farsight.org/FarsightPress/FarsightPress.html)we know that the future is probabilistic. (See also, the Multiple Universes Project (http://farsight.org/demo/Multiple_Universes/Multiple_Universes_Experiment.html).) If multiple realities emerge from every moment of now, then there is no single future timeline. Thus we hope that by specifying certain timeline conditions with our remote-viewing tasking, it is possible to perceive a specific future (for a specific timeline) correctly. For this reason, our participating remote viewers have perceived the 2013 targets along two separate timelines, with each timeline offering the potential for significant differences in future events given specific possible actions taken by the mainstream scientific community. Thus, we are hoping to discern what the future looks like if the mainstream scientific community pursues one policy as compared with a future in which the mainstream scientific community pursues a different policy. In the former case, the policy is a continuation of a current policy. In the latter case, the policy is an alternate policy that might produce a significantly different future. We are attempting to learn if the publication of information about two future timelines based on differences in current policies can change the future that our current now evolves into.

The various 2008 targets establish a baseline set of criteria by which the accuracy of the remote-viewing results in general may be evaluated. Thus, if the 1 June 2008 targets are perceived accurately by the remote viewers participating in the study, then it is reasonable to assume that the results for the future dates for those same targets will be comparably accurate. Since each geographically determined target is evaluated three times (once in 2008, and twice in 2013 — once for each future timeline), there are three times as many total targets as there are geographically determined targets in this study.

The remote-viewing sessions were conducted prior to the targets being assigned to those sessions by a truly random process (explained in "Experiment Details" below as well as in the video presentation that appears at the top of this page) that took place on Wednesday, 4 June 2008. It was not possible for a remote viewer (or anyone else) to know the identity of a target at the time the target was being remote viewed since the remote-viewing sessions were conducted before 4 June 2008. Thus, the targets are assigned in the future with respect to when the sessions were done, and the remote-viewing data describe the future target assignments.

Article from: http://farsight.org/demo/Demo2008/RV_Demo_2008_Page1.html

[Bill Ryan]

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(Pause for a cup of coffee...)

My thanks to everyone who's been contributing so much intelligent value to this thread. Very much appreciated. It's important stuff, and in my opinion and that of many others, cannot be dismissed.

:focus:

[Jeffrey]

http://i450.photobucket.com/albums/qq226/playenatural/Smilies/digginsmile.gif

[Lazlo]

http://www.naturalnews.com/033564_solar_flares_nuclear_power_plants.html

I would really like to know if what is discussed in that article is really possible. This is the giant radioactive mastodon in the room. Could they have backup power on reactor cooling systems that we have no idea about? Massive power outage would be bad enough, but a slew of Fukushimas across the globe....I don't even want to think of it. I will have to assume that they have prepared for this until proven otherwise.

Use the following link for a sober assessment of our vulnerability done for DHS in November of 2011, and approved for unrestricted release. It's 107 pages long but you can use the table of contents to skim for the really "good" stuff.

After perusing this, try to imagine what they might have that is classified as far as scenarios and impacts.


https://fas.org/irp/agency/dod/jason/spaceweather.pdf

[Bill Ryan]

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Inspired by Vivek :) -- I thought I should post Matt Stein's important article in full:

http://truth-out.org/news/item/7301-400-chernobyls-solar-flares-electromagnetic-pulses-and-nuclear-armageddon






Four Hundred Chernobyls:
Solar Flares, Electromagnetic Pulses and Nuclear Armageddon

There are nearly 450 nuclear reactors in the world, with hundreds more being planned or under construction. There are 104 of these reactors in the United States and 195 in Europe. Imagine what havoc it would wreak on our civilization and the planet's ecosystems if we were to suddenly witness not just one or two nuclear meltdowns, but 400 or more! How likely is it that our world might experience an event that could ultimately cause hundreds of reactors to fail and melt down at approximately the same time? I venture to say that, unless we take significant protective measures, this apocalyptic scenario is not only possible, but probable.

Consider the ongoing problems caused by three reactor core meltdowns, explosions and breached containment vessels at Japan's Fukushima Daiichi facility and the subsequent health and environmental issues. Consider the millions of innocent victims who have already died or continue to suffer from horrific radiation-related health problems ("Chernobyl AIDS," epidemic cancers, chronic fatigue, etcetera) resulting from the Chernobyl reactor explosions, fires and fallout. If just two serious nuclear disasters, spaced 25 years apart, could cause such horrendous environmental catastrophes, it is hard to imagine how we could ever hope to recover from hundreds of similar nuclear incidents occurring simultaneously across the planet. Since more than one-third of all Americans live within 50 miles of a nuclear power plant, this is a serious issue that should be given top priority.[1]

In the past 152 years, Earth has been struck by roughly 100 solar storms, causing significant geomagnetic disturbances (GMD), two of which were powerful enough to rank as "extreme GMDs." If an extreme GMD of such magnitude were to occur today, in all likelihood, it would initiate a chain of events leading to catastrophic failures at the vast majority of our world's nuclear reactors, similar to but over 100 times worse than, the disasters at both Chernobyl and Fukushima. When massive solar flares launch a huge mass of highly charged plasma (a coronal mass ejection, or CME) directly toward Earth, colliding with our planet's outer atmosphere and magnetosphere, the result is a significant geomagnetic disturbance.

The last extreme GMD of a magnitude that could collapse much of the US grid was in May of 1921, long before the advent of modern electronics, widespread electric power grids, and nuclear power plants. We are, mostly, blissfully unaware of this threat and unprepared for its consequences. The good news is that relatively affordable equipment and processes could be installed to protect critical components in the electric power grid and its nuclear reactors, thereby averting this "end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it" scenario. The bad news is that even though panels of scientists and engineers have studied the problem, and the bipartisan Congressional electromagnetic pulse (EMP) commission has presented a list of specific recommendations to Congress, our leaders have yet to approve and implement any significant preventative measures.

Most of us believe that an emergency like this could never happen, and that, if it could, our "authorities" would do everything in their power to prevent such an apocalypse. Unfortunately, the opposite is true. "How could this happen?" you might ask.

Nuclear Power Plants and the Electric Power Grid

Our current global system of electrical power generation and distribution ("the grid"), upon which our modern lifestyles are utterly dependent, is extremely vulnerable to severe geomagnetic storms, which tend to strike our planet on an average of approximately once every 70 to 100 years. We depend on this grid to maintain food production and distribution, telecommunications, Internet services, medical services, military defense, transportation, government, water treatment, sewage and garbage removal, refrigeration, oil refining, gas pumping and all forms of commerce.

Unfortunately, the world's nuclear power plants, as they are currently designed, are critically dependent upon maintaining connection to a functioning electrical grid, for all but relatively short periods of electrical blackouts, in order to keep their reactor cores continuously cooled so as to avoid catastrophic reactor core meltdowns and fires in storage ponds for spent fuel rods.

If an extreme GMD were to cause widespread grid collapse (which it most certainly will), in as little as one or two hours after each nuclear reactor facility's backup generators either fail to start, or run out of fuel, the reactor cores will start to melt down. After a few days without electricity to run the cooling system pumps, the water bath covering the spent fuel rods stored in "spent-fuel ponds" will boil away, allowing the stored fuel rods to melt down and burn [2]. Since the Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) currently mandates that only one week's supply of backup generator fuel needs to be stored at each reactor site, it is likely that, after we witness the spectacular nighttime celestial light show from the next extreme GMD, we will have about one week in which to prepare ourselves for Armageddon.

To do nothing is to behave like ostriches with our heads in the sand, blindly believing that "everything will be okay" as our world drifts towards the next natural, inevitable super solar storm and resultant extreme GMD. Such a storm would end the industrialized world as we know it, creating almost incalculable suffering, death and environmental destruction on a scale not seen since the extinction of the dinosaurs some 65 million years ago.

The End of "The Grid" as We Know It

There are records from the 1850s to today of roughly 100 significant geomagnetic solar storms, two of which, in the last 25 years, were strong enough to cause millions of dollars worth of damage to key components that keep our modern grid powered. In March of 1989, a severe solar storm induced powerful electric currents in grid wiring that fried a main power transformer in the HydroQuebec system, causing a cascading grid failure that knocked out power to 6 million customers for nine hours and damaging similar transformers in New Jersey and the UK. More recently, in 2003, a less intense but longer solar storm caused a blackout in Sweden and induced powerful currents in the South African grid that severely damaged or destroyed 14 of their major power transformers, impairing commerce and comfort over major portions of that country as it was forced to resort to massive rolling blackouts that dragged on for many months.[3]

During the great geomagnetic storm of May 14-15, 1921, brilliant aurora displays were reported in the Northern Hemisphere as far south as Mexico and Puerto Rico, and in the Southern Hemisphere as far north as Samoa.[4] This extreme GMD produced ground currents roughly ten times as strong as the 1989 Quebec incident. Just 62 years earlier, the great granddaddy of recorded GMDs, referred to as "the Carrington Event," raged from August 28 to September 4, 1859. This extreme GMD induced currents so powerful that telegraph lines, towers and stations caught on fire at a number of locations around the world. Best estimates are that the Carrington Event was approximately 50 percent stronger than the 1921 storm.[5] Since we are headed into an active solar period much like the one preceding the Carrington Event, scientists are concerned that conditions could be ripe for the next extreme GMD.[6]

Prior to the advent of the microchip and modern extra-high-voltage (EHV) transformers (key grid components that were first introduced in the late 1960s), most electrical systems were relatively robust and resistant to the effects of GMDs. Given that a simple electrostatic spark can fry a microchip and thousands of miles of power lines could act like giant antennas for capturing massive amounts of GMD-spawned electromagnetic energy, modern electrical systems are far more vulnerable than their predecessors.

The federal government recently sponsored a detailed scientific study to better understand how much critical components of our national electrical power grid might be affected by either a naturally occurring GMD or a man-made EMP. Under the auspices of the EMP Commission and the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), and reviewed in depth by the Oak Ridge National Laboratory and the National Academy of Sciences, Metatech Corporation undertook extensive modeling and analysis of the potential effects of extreme geomagnetic storms on the US electrical power grid. Based upon a storm as intense as the 1921 storm, Metatech estimated that within the United States, induced voltage and current spikes, combined with harmonic anomalies, would severely damage or destroy over 350 EHV power transformers critical to the functioning of the US grid and possibly impact well over 2000 EHV transformers worldwide.[7]

EHV transformers are made to order and custom-designed for each installation, each weighing as much as 300 tons and costing well over $1 million. Given that there is currently a three-year waiting list for a single EHV transformer (due to recent demand from China and India, lead times grew from one to three years), and that the total global manufacturing capacity is roughly 100 EHV transformers per year when the world's manufacturing centers are functioning properly, you can begin to grasp the implications of widespread transformer losses.

The loss of thousands of EHV transformers worldwide would cause a catastrophic grid collapse across much of the industrialized world. It will take years, at best, for the industrialized world to put itself back together after such an event, especially considering the fact that most of the manufacturing centers that make this equipment will also be grappling with widespread grid failure.

Our Nuclear "Achilles Heel"





Five years ago, I visited the still highly contaminated areas of Ukraine and the Belarus border where much of the radioactive plume from Chernobyl descended on 26 April 1986. I challenge chief scientist John Beddington and environmentalists like George Monbiot or any of the pundits now downplaying the risks of radiation to talk to the doctors, the scientists, the mothers, children and villagers who have been left with the consequences of a major nuclear accident. It was grim. We went from hospital to hospital and from one contaminated village to another. We found deformed and genetically mutated babies in the wards; pitifully sick children in the homes; adolescents with stunted growth and dwarf torsos; fetuses without thighs or fingers and villagers who told us every member of their family was sick. This was 20 years after the accident, but we heard of many unusual clusters of people with rare bone cancers.... Villages testified that ‘the Chernobyl necklace' - thyroid cancer - was so common as to be unremarkable.

- John Vidal, "Nuclear's Green Cheerleaders Forget Chernobyl at Our Peril," The Guardian, April 1, 2011 [8]

What do extended grid blackouts have to do with potential nuclear catastrophes? Nuclear power plants are designed to disconnect automatically from the grid in the event of a local power failure or major grid anomaly; once disconnected, they begin the process of shutting down the reactor's core. In the event of the loss of coolant flow to an active nuclear reactor's core, the reactor will start to melt down and fail catastrophically within a matter of a few hours, at most. In an extreme GMD, nearly every reactor in the world could be affected.

It was a short-term cooling-system failure that caused the partial reactor core meltdown in March 1979 at Three Mile Island, Pennsylvania. Similarly, according to Japanese authorities, it was not direct damage from Japan's 9.0 magnitude Tohoku Earthquake on March 11, 2011, that caused the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear reactor disaster, but the loss of electric power to the reactor's cooling system pumps when the reactor's backup batteries and diesel generators were wiped out by the ensuing tidal waves. In the hours and days after the tidal waves shuttered the cooling systems, the cores of reactors number 1, 2 and 3 were in full meltdown and released hydrogen gas, fueling explosions which breached several reactor containment vessels and blew the roof off the building housing reactor number 4's spent-fuel storage pond. Of even greater danger and concern than the reactor cores themselves are the spent fuel rods stored in on-site cooling ponds. Lacking a permanent spent nuclear fuel storage facility, so-called "temporary" nuclear fuel containment ponds are features common to nearly all nuclear reactor facilities. They typically contain the accumulated spent fuel from ten or more decommissioned reactor cores. Due to lack of a permanent repository, most of these fuel containment ponds are greatly overloaded and tightly packed beyond original design. They are generally surrounded by common light industrial buildings with concrete walls and corrugated steel roofs. Unlike the active reactor cores, which are encased inside massive "containment vessels" with thick walls of concrete and steel, the buildings surrounding spent fuel rod storage ponds would do practically nothing to contain radioactive contaminants in the event of prolonged cooling system failures.

Since spent fuel ponds typically hold far greater quantities of highly radioactive material then the active nuclear reactors locked inside reinforced containment vessels, they clearly present far greater potential for the catastrophic spread of highly radioactive contaminants over huge swaths of land, polluting the environment for multiple generations. A study by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) determined that the "boil down time" for spent fuel rod containment ponds runs from between 4 and 22 days after loss of cooling system power before degenerating into a Fukushima-like situation, depending upon the type of nuclear reactor and how recently its latest batch of fuel rods had been decommissioned.[9]
Reactor fuel rods have a protective zirconium cladding, which, if superheated while exposed to air, will burn with intense, self-generating heat, much like a magnesium fire, releasing highly radioactive aerosols and smoke. According to nuclear whistleblower and former senior vice president for Nuclear Engineering Services Arnie Gundersen, once a zirconium fire has started, due to its extreme temperatures and high reactivity, contact with water will result in the water dissociating into hydrogen and oxygen gases, which will almost certainly lead to violent explosions. Gundersen says that once a zirconium fuel rod fire has started, the worst thing you could do is to try to quench the fire with water streams, which would cause violent explosions. Gundersen believes the massive explosion that blew the roof off the spent fuel pond at Fukushima was caused by zirconium-induced hydrogen dissociation.[10]

Had it not been for heroic efforts on the part of Japan's nuclear workers to replenish waters in the spent fuel pool at Fukushima, those spent fuel rods would have melted down and ignited their zirconium cladding, which most likely would have released far more radioactive contamination than what came from the three reactor core meltdowns. Japanese officials have estimated that Fukushima Daiichi has already released just over half as much total radioactive contamination as was released by Chernobyl into the local environment, but other sources estimate it could be significantly more than at Chernobyl. In the event of an extreme GMD-induced long-term grid collapse covering much of the globe, if just half of the world's spent fuel ponds were to boil off their water and become radioactive, zirconium-fed infernos, the ensuing contamination could far exceed the cumulative effect of 400 Chernobyls.

Electromagnetic Pulse (EMP) Attack





Many of the control systems we considered achieved optimal connectivity through Ethernet cabling. EMP coupling of electrical transients to the cables proved to be an important vulnerability during threat illumination.... The testing and analysis indicate that the electronics could be expected to see roughly 100 to 700 ampere current transients on typical Ethernet cables. Effects noted in EMP testing occurred at the lower end of this scale. The bottom line observation at the end of the testing was that every system failed when exposed to the simulated EMP environment.

— Report of the Commission to Assess the Threat to the United States from Electromagnetic Pulse (EMP) Attack [11]

Electromagnetic pulses (EMPs) and solar super storms are two different, but related, categories of events that are often described as high-impact, low frequency (HILF) events. Events categorized as HILF don't happen very often, but if and when they do, they have the potential to severely affect the lives of millions of people. Think of an EMP as a super-powerful radio wave capable of inducing damaging voltage spikes in electrical wires and electronic devices across vast geographical areas. (Note that the geomagnetic effects of solar storms are also described as "natural EMP.")

What is generally referred to as an EMP strike is the deliberate detonation of a nuclear device at a high altitude, roughly defined as somewhere between 24 and 240 miles (40 and 400 kilometers) above the surface of the Earth. Nuclear detonations of this type have the potential to seriously damage electronics and electrical power grids along their line of sight, covering distances on the order of an area 1,500 miles (2,500 kilometers) in diameter, an area roughly equal to the distance between Quebec City in Canada and Dallas, Texas.
The concern is that some rogue state or terrorist organization might build its own nuclear device from scratch or buy one illegally, procure a Scud missile (or similar weapon) on the black market and launch the nuclear device from a large fishing boat or freighter somewhere off the coast of the United States, causing grid collapse and widespread damage to electronic devices across roughly 50 percent of America. Much like an extreme GMD, a powerful EMP attack would also cause widespread grid collapse, but one limited to a much smaller geographical area.

A powerful EMP from a sub-orbital nuclear detonation would cause extreme electromagnetic effects, starting with an initial, short-duration, "speed of light" pulse, referred to as an "E1" effect, followed by a middle-duration pulse called an "E2" effect, followed by a longer-duration disturbance known as an "E3" effect. The "E1" effect lasts a few nanoseconds and is similar to massive discharges of electrostatic sparks, which are particularly damaging to digital microelectronic chips used in most modern electronic equipment.

The "E2" effects last a fraction of a second and are equal to many thousands to millions of lightning strikes hitting over a widespread area at almost exactly the same time. In the case of a nuclear-induced EMP, its E3 effect starts after about a half-second and may continue for several minutes. The E3 effect can be thought of as a "long, slow burn," and, electromagnetically, it is quite similar to the effects from an extreme GMD, except that the latter may continue for a number of hours or days.

A "successful" EMP attack launched against the US would most likely result in the immediate collapse of the grid across roughly 50 percent of the country, a stock market crash and critical failures in many affected areas' electronic systems that control nuclear reactors, chemical plants, telecommunications systems and industrial processes. These systems include programmable logic controllers (PLC), digital control systems (DCS), and supervisory control and data acquisition systems (SCADA).

The only good news about an EMP strike is that its effect will cover a much smaller area than an extreme GMD, so there will be a significant portion of the rest of the United States, as well as the rest of the outside world, left intact and able to lend a hand toward rebuilding critical infrastructure in the affected areas. Imagine the near-total loss of a functioning infrastructure across an area of about a million square miles (approximately 1.6 million square kilometers, roughly equivalent to 50 Hurricane Katrinas happening simultaneously) and you will have some idea of the potentially crippling effect of an EMP attack from a single, medium-sized, sub-orbital nuclear detonation!

Preventing Armageddon

The Congressionally mandated EMP Commission has studied the threat of both EMP and extreme GMD events and made recommendations to the US Congress to implement protective devices and procedures to ensure the survival of the grid and other critical infrastructures in either event. John Kappenman, author of the Metatech study, estimates that it would cost about $1 billion to build special protective devices into the US grid to protect its EHV transformers from EMP or extreme GMD damage and to build stores of critical replacement parts should some of these items be damaged or destroyed. Kappenman estimates that it would cost significantly less than $1 billion to store at least a year's worth of diesel fuel for backup generators at each US nuclear facility and to store sets of critical spare parts, such as backup generators, inside EMP-hardened steel containers to be available for quick change-out in the event that any of these items were damaged by an EMP or GMD.[12]

For the cost of a single B-2 bomber or a tiny fraction of the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) bank bailout, we could invest in preventative measures to avert what might well become the end of life as we know it. There is no way to protect against all possible effects from an extreme GMD or an EMP attack, but we could implement measures to protect against the worst effects. Since 2008, Congress has narrowly failed to pass legislation that would implement at least some of the EMP Commission's recommendations.[13]

We have a long ways to go to make our world EMP and GMD safe. Citizens can do their part to push for legislation to move toward this goal and work inside our homes and communities to develop local resilience and self reliance, so that in the event of a long-term grid-down scenario, we might make the most of a bad situation. The same tools that are espoused by the Transition movement for developing local self-reliance and resilience to help cope with the twin effects of climate change and peak oil could also serve communities well in the event of an EMP attack or extreme GMD. If our country were to implement safeguards to protect our grid and nuclear power plants from EMP, it would also eliminate the primary incentive for a terrorist to launch an EMP attack. The sooner we take these actions, the less chance that an EMP attack will occur.

For more information or to get involved, see http://empactamerica.org, http://survive-emp.com and http://www.transitionnetwork.org, or contact your Congressperson at http://www.contactingthecongress.org.

Endnotes

[1] Bill Dedman, "Nuclear Neighbors: Population Rises Near Nuclear Reactors," MSNBC.com. Accessed December 2011.
[2] Dina Cappiello, "Long Blackouts Pose Risk to U.S. Nuclear Reactors," Associated Press, March 29, 2011.
[3] Lawrence E. Joseph, "The Sun Also Surprises," New York Times, August 15, 2010. Accessed August 2010.
[4] S. M. Silverman and E. W. Cliver, "Low-Altitude Auroras: The Magnetic Storm of 14-15 May 1921," Journal of Atmospheric and Solar-Terrestrial Physics 63, (2001), p. 523-535. Additionally, "High-Impact, Low-Frequency Event Risk to the North American Bulk Power System: A Jointly Commissioned Summary Report of the North American Electric Reliability Corporation and the U.S. Department of Energy's November 2009 Workshop," June, 2010, p. 68.
[5] Committee on the Societal and Economic Impacts of Severe Space Weather Events: A Workshop National Research Council, "Severe Space Weather Events: Understanding Societal and Economic Impacts Workshop Report," National Research Council of the National Academies (2008), p. 7-13, and p. 100. Additionally, E. W. Cliver and L. Svalgaard, "The 1859 Solar-Terrestrial Disturbance and the Current Limits of Extreme Space Weather Activity," Solar Physics (2004) 224, P. 407-422.
[6] Richard A. Lovett, "What if the Biggest Solar Storm on Record Happened Today?" National Geographic News, March 2, 2011. Accessed December 2011.
[7] John Kappenman, "Geomagnetic Storms and Their Impacts on the U.S. Power Grid," Metatech Corporation, prepared for Oak Ridge National Laboratory, Meta-R-319, January 2010, p. 2-29.
[8] John Vidal, "Nuclear's Green Cheerleaders Forget Chernobyl at Our Peril," Guardian.co.uk, April 1, 2011. Accessed May 2011.
[9] NUREG-1738, "Technical Study of Spent Fuel Pool Accident Risk at Decommissioning Nuclear Power Plants," February 2001, as reported in "Petition for Rulemaking: Docket No. PRM-50-96," Foundation for Resilient Societies before the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, p. 3-9 and 49-50. Accessed December, 2011.
[10] Arnold Gundersen, interview by author, November 2011.
[11] "Report of the Commission to Assess the Threat to the United States from Electromagnetic Pulse (EMP) Attack: Critical National Infrastructures," April, 2008, p. 6.
[12] John Kappenman, interview by author, December 2011.
[13] Dr. Peter Vincent Pry, "Statement Before the Congressional Caucus on EMP," EMPact America, February 15, 2011. Accessed November 2011.

[ghostrider]

Hi TargeT,

Thanks for the info. Would taking the grid off line temporary help protect the transformers? And such a CME would hit only half of the planet that happens to be exposed to the Sun at that time, right?

Also, from what I've read is still not clear why we should go under-ground...

three days without power, or food , humans can become savage and dangerous , thinking only of self preservation . imagine no power for a month ? six months ? getting underground you could hide from the craziness of humans gone wild.

[Christine]

http://www.naturalnews.com/033564_solar_flares_nuclear_power_plants.html

I would really like to know if what is discussed in that article is really possible. This is the giant radioactive mastodon in the room. Could they have backup power on reactor cooling systems that we have no idea about? Massive power outage would be bad enough, but a slew of Fukushimas across the globe....I don't even want to think of it. I will have to assume that they have prepared for this until proven otherwise.

Read the article again. No "they" (remember who "they" are) haven't prepared for this except to save their own hides. Think just think, Look just look..... and you will have your answer. 700 nuclear reactors operating on our planet and one of the most developed nations, Japan, had no back up in place.

I know it is unthinkable and not one of us on this forum wants to think this will happen, but many are aware of the almost certain eventuality of an event like this.

So the best we can do is be prepared, spiritually, emotionally and physically. Also please do know that there are many, many beings working to help prevent, delay, or minimize the impact of such an event.

La Tigra

[gripreaper]

John Kappenman, author of the Metatech study, estimates that it would cost about $1 billion to build special protective devices into the US grid to protect its EHV transformers from EMP or extreme GMD damage and to build stores of critical replacement parts should some of these items be damaged or destroyed.

For a measly one billion they could protect the grid, but they are not doing it.

[Jeffrey]

http://www.naturalnews.com/033564_solar_flares_nuclear_power_plants.html

I would really like to know if what is discussed in that article is really possible. This is the giant radioactive mastodon in the room. Could they have backup power on reactor cooling systems that we have no idea about? Massive power outage would be bad enough, but a slew of Fukushimas across the globe....I don't even want to think of it. I will have to assume that they have prepared for this until proven otherwise.

Read the article again. No "they" (remember who "they" are) haven't prepared for this except to save their own hides. Think just think, Look just look..... and you will have your answer. 700 nuclear reactors operating on our planet and one of the most developed nations, Japan, had no back up in place.

I know it is unthinkable and not one of us on this forum wants to think this will happen, but many are aware of the almost certain eventuality of an event like this.

So the best we can do is be prepared, spiritually, emotionally and physically. Also please do know that there are many, many beings working to help prevent, delay, or minimize the impact of such an event.

La Tigra

Thinking about just how prepared "they" may be.




Radiation hardening is a method of designing and testing electronic components and systems to make them resistant to damage or malfunctions caused by ionizing radiation (particle radiation and high-energy electromagnetic radiation), such as would be encountered in outer space, high-altitude flight, around nuclear reactors, particle accelerators, during nuclear accidents or nuclear warfare.

Most radiation-hardened chips are based on their commercial equivalents, with some manufacturing and design variations that reduce the susceptibility to radiation damage. Due to the extensive development and testing required to produce a radiation-tolerant design of a microelectronic chip, radiation-hardened chips tend to lag behind the cutting-edge of developments.

More here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation_hardening

After an event like this, if it does indeed take place, they may be preparing safe havens AND strategically preparing a load of radiation-hardened equipment in hopes of gaining the upper hand - hoping to maintain their power structure after this "blows over."

[Hervé]

John Kappenman, author of the Metatech study, estimates that it would cost about $1 billion to build special protective devices into the US grid to protect its EHV transformers from EMP or extreme GMD damage and to build stores of critical replacement parts should some of these items be damaged or destroyed.

For a measly one billion they could protect the grid, but they are not doing it.


Not only that but the alternative "Zero-Point" "Free Energy" solutions are determined "classified."

Perplexes me to no end.

[ghostrider]

most if not all nuclear reactors are built on fault lines, quakes could be a problem, the energy of the sun going crazy causing increased quake activity doesn't help us , I would not want to be underground , I can find shade, but when the ground beneath your feet moves , not much you can do but fall .:wizard:

[Hervé]

John Kappenman, author of the Metatech study, estimates that it would cost about $1 billion to build special protective devices into the US grid to protect its EHV transformers from EMP or extreme GMD damage and to build stores of critical replacement parts should some of these items be damaged or destroyed.

For a measly one billion they could protect the grid, but they are not doing it.


Not only that but the alternative "Zero-Point" "Free Energy" solutions are determined "classified."

Perplexes me to no end.

Because this leads to assume there is a definite intention to let it happen if not another one of these false flags which would ensure that IT does happen and blame it on the sun as the obvious culprit.

Since indeed, "they" have been telling us what to expect with these non-sequitur MSM articles and bits and pieces of news and thereby also harnessing human creative abilities either from unconscious "creations" or because of utterly "protesting" it... much in the same way that this guy "predicts" an end result from implanted bits of info:


HM1TUdmuOeg


... and the only way to ensure the occurrence of such an unfortunate event is through the use of high altitude nuclear blasts EMPs which radioactive fallouts could then be blamed on the failing nuclear power plants... and we are back to the "Sacrifice to the gods" bit.


Either way, one would better be prepared for this "future."

[Jeffrey]

Excerpt from article by Alfred Lambremont Webre

Exopolitics: Solar cycle 24 & a golden age

An introduction to the multi-dimensional factors shaping 2012 entitled “Exopolitics: Solar cycle 24 (2009 – 2020) & A Golden Age” can be seen in the below video of a presentation by futurist Alfred Lambremont Webre at Project Camelot’s Awake and Aware conference. The transcript of the video can be accessed here (http://projectcamelot.org/lang/en/alfred_webre_awake_and_aware_en.html).


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6gUY3i79CI

2012: Solar flares & the cataclysm meme

Will 2012 bring the “perfect storm” and systems collapse? – the solar flare Carrington event boogeyman

Let us examine the spectrum of science-based opinion on the possible impacts of solar storms during the coming solar maximum of solar cycle 24 (2009-2020), which NASA in its latest solar forecast expects in May 2013.

At one extreme, a January 2009 report by the National Academy of Sciences funded by NASA warned that solar flares during the solar maximum could cause up to $2 trillion (or more) in damage in the U.S., with millions of potential deaths. As Examiner.com reported, “Mainstream scientific concern about 2012 has grown since a recent National Research Council report funded by NASA and issued by the National Academy of Sciences, entitled ‘Severe Space Weather Events: Understanding Economic and Societal Impact’ which details the potential devastation of 2012 solar storms on the current planetary energy grid and because of the inter-linkages of a cybernetic society, on our entire human civilization.

“According to New Scientist, science’s concern is a repetition of the 8-day 1859 “Carrington event,” a large solar flare accompanied by a coronal mass ejection (CME) that flung billions of tons of solar plasma onto the earth’s magnetosphere and disrupted Victorian-era magnetometers and the world telegraph system.

“The New Scientist states, ‘The report outlines the worst case scenario for the U.S. The ‘perfect storm’ is most likely on a spring or autumn night in a year of heightened solar activity - something like 2012. Around the equinoxes, the orientation of the Earth's field to the sun makes us particularly vulnerable to a plasma strike.’

“The next solar maximum is expected to occur in [2013]. New Scientist reports that Mike Hapgood, head of the European Space Agency's space weather team states, ‘We're in the equivalent of an idyllic summer's day. The sun is quiet and benign, the quietest it has been for 100 years,’ ‘but it could turn the other way.’

“The modern electrical high-power grid magnifies the impact of solar flares. Since the grid is linked into major aspects of modern society, the effects of another Carrington event would be devastating. The National Academy of Sciences report states: ‘A severe space weather event in the US could induce ground currents that would knock out 300 key transformers within about 90 seconds, cutting off the power for more than 130 million people.’ The New Scientist states: ‘According to the NAS report, the impact of what it terms a "severe geomagnetic storm scenario’ could be as high as $2 trillion. And that's just the first year after the storm. The NAS puts the recovery time at four to 10 years. It is questionable whether the US would ever bounce back.”

A more perfect storm? The hole in the earth’s magnetic field

According to a December 16, 2008 report, NASA’s THEMIS spacecraft has discovered a hole in earth’s magnetic field that is 10 times as large as previously thought. The magnetosphere, which is designed to protect earth from the plasma of solar flares, now has a hole in it four times the size of the earth.

According to the NASA report, “Northern IMF events don't actually trigger geomagnetic storms but they do set the stage for storms by loading the magnetosphere with plasma. A loaded magnetosphere is primed for auroras, power outages, and other disturbances that can result when, say, a CME (coronal mass ejection) hits.”

The solar maximum is expected in 2012. University of New Hampshire scientist Jimmy Raeder states, “"We're entering Solar Cycle 24. For reasons not fully understood, CMEs in even-numbered solar cycles (like 24) tend to hit Earth with a leading edge that is magnetized north. Such a CME should open a breach and load the magnetosphere with plasma just before the storm gets underway. It's the perfect sequence for a really big event."

2012: Fire or ice? The maunder minimum extremists

At the other extreme, some scientists are forecasting not solar storms, but the return of a new ice age for the 2012 year range.

As Examiner.com has reported, “in an April 2, 2009 article, retired U.S. Navy physicist and engineer James A. Marusek writes: “The sun has gone very quiet as it transitions to Solar Cycle 24…. We are now at a crossroad. Two paths lie before us. Both are marked with a signpost that reads “Danger”! Down one path lie monstrous solar storms. Down the other path lie several decades of crushing cold temperatures and global famine.” “A quiet sun will cause temperatures globally to take a nose-dive. We will experience temperatures that we have not seen in over 200 years, during the time of the early pioneers.

“(2) The Sun slipping quietly towards a Dalton Minimum or even a Grand Minima such as a Maunder Minimum.

“Climate change is primarily driven by nature. It has been true in the days of my father and his father and all those that came before us. Because of science, not junk science, we have slowly uncovered some of the fundamental mysteries of nature. Our Milky Way galaxy is awash with cosmic rays. These are high-speed charged particles that originate from exploding stars. Because they are charged, their travel is strongly influenced by magnetic fields. Our sun produces a magnetic field wrapped in the solar winds that extends to the edges of our solar system.

“This field deflects many of the cosmic rays away from Earth. But when the sun goes quiet (minimal sunspots), this field collapses inward allowing high-energy cosmic rays to penetrate deeper into our solar system. As a result, far greater numbers collide with Earth and penetrate down into the lower atmosphere where they ionize small particles of moisture (humidity) forming them into water droplets that become clouds. Low-level clouds reflect sunlight back into space.

"An increase in Earth's cloud cover produce a global drop in temperature.

“If the sun becomes quieter than the old solar cycles, producing more than 1028 spotless days, then we might slip into a Dalton Minimum or maybe even a Grand Minima such as the Maunder Minimum. This solar state will last for decades. Several solar scientists have predicted this will begin in Solar Cycle 25, about a decade from now. But a few have predicted this will occur now in Solar Cycle 24. A quiet sun will cause temperatures globally to take a nose-dive. We will experience temperatures that we have not seen in over 200 years, during the time of the early pioneers.

“Temperatures are already falling. Satellites provide generally the most accurate atmospheric temperature measurements covering the entire globe. From the peak year 1998, the lower Troposphere temperatures globally have fallen around 1/2 degree Celsius due to the quiet sun.

This is despite the fact that during that same time period, atmospheric carbon dioxide (at Mauna Loa) has risen 5% from 367 ppm to 386 ppm. The main threat from a ‘Dalton Minimum’ or ‘Maunder Minimum’ event is famine and starvation (affecting millions or hundreds of millions worldwide) due to shortened growing seasons and harsher weather. In the past, in addition to great famines, this cold harsh weather has also lead to major epidemics.

A taste of the cold weather due to a quiet sun.

“Evidence of the Mississippi River, Ohio River, Allegheny River, Delaware River and Hudson River at the New York Harbor freezing and of very harsh winters.

“Recent periods of quiet sun were the Dalton Minimum (1790-1830 A.D.), the Maunder Minimum (1645-1715 A.D.) and the Spörer Minimum (1420 to 1570 A.D.). The Maunder Minimum and Spörer Minimum were solar Grand Minima and each were individually referred to as the Little Ice Age.”

2012: “Solar Cycle 24 will peak in May 2013 with a below-average number of sunspots”

There is uncertainty and published misinformation about solar cycle 24. One unofficial source who charges his readers money for his articles - Mitch Battros - states, "Solar Cycle 24 has begun - and it has been predicted by NASA, NOAA and ESA to be up to 50% stronger than its 'record breaking' predecessor Cycle 23 which produced the largest solar flare ever recorded. The Sun will reach its 'apex' (maximum) in late 2011 into 2012."

A recent prediction by NASA contradicts Mitch Battros and Earthchangesmedia.com and states that the solar maximum will be in May 2013, "with a below-average number of sunspots."

On May 29, 2009, NASA reported that “an international panel of experts led by NOAA and sponsored by NASA has released a new prediction for the next solar cycle. Solar Cycle 24 will peak, they say, in May 2013 with a below-average number of sunspots.

‘If our prediction is correct, Solar Cycle 24 will have a peak sunspot number of 90, the lowest of any cycle since 1928 when Solar Cycle 16 peaked at 78,’ says panel chairman Doug Biesecker of the NOAA Space Weather Prediction Center.

In the same report, NASA also noted that, “It is tempting to describe such a cycle as ‘weak’ or ‘mild,’ but that could give the wrong impression.

"’Even a below-average cycle is capable of producing severe space weather,’ points out Biesecker. ‘The great geomagnetic storm of 1859, for instance, occurred during a solar cycle of about the same size we’re predicting for 2013.’

Note that NASA cannot resist highlighting the Carrington event “boogeyman” to frighten us all about 2012. “The 1859 storm--known as the "Carrington Event" after astronomer Richard Carrington who witnessed the instigating solar flare--electrified transmission cables, set fires in telegraph offices, and produced Northern Lights so bright that people could read newspapers by their red and green glow. A recent report by the National Academy of Sciences found that if a similar storm occurred today, it could cause $1 to 2 trillion in damages to society's high-tech infrastructure and require four to ten years for complete recovery. For comparison, Hurricane Katrina caused ‘only’ $80 to 125 billion in damage.”

NASA, then, is still promoting the plausibility of Carrington event scenario. A Carrington-like event last took place in 1859, 153 years from 2012. The operant question is:

Do Carrington event-like solar flares occur as often as every 153 years?

Although another Carrington event-like solar flare is possible, leading edge scientific analysis appears to conclude that “the probabilities of occurrence cannot be assigned with any reasonable accuracy.”

In “The extreme magnetic storm of 1–2 September 1859,” B. T. Tsurutani, Jet Propulsion Laboratory, California Institute of Technology, Pasadena, California, USA, W. D. Gonzalez, Instituto Nacional de Pesquisas Espaciais, Sao Paulo, Brazil, and G. S. Lakhina and S. Alex, Indian Institute of Geomagnetism, Mumbai/Bombay, India explore the issue of how often 1859 Carrington event-like solar flares occur.

They write, “It is found that both the 1–2 September 1859 solar flare energy and the associated coronal mass ejection speed were extremely high but not unique. Other events with more intense properties have been detected; thus a storm of this or even greater intensity may occur again. Because the data for the high-energy tails of solar flares and magnetic storms are extremely sparse, the tail distributions and therefore the probabilities of occurrence cannot be assigned with any reasonable accuracy.

“How rare was the 1–2 September 1859 solar flare/ solar ejecta event? Is it possible that an event of this intensity could happen again in the near future? Since the early measurements of visible ‘white light’ flares, scientists have determined that there is radiation at a variety of other wavelengths as well. Using general scalings, Lin and Hudson [1976] have estimated the August 1972 flare to have had a total energy ranging from 1032 to 1033 ergs. Kane et al. [1995] have estimated the more recent 1 June 1991 flare to have had an extreme energy of 1034 ergs. For comparison, D. Neidig (private communication, 2001) has calculated the 1859 white light flare energy based on the Carrington [1859] report. The assumptions made are the peak flux is equal to the brightest white light flares measured thus far ( 100% enhancement over the background photospheric intensities), duration of 5 min, area 7 1017 cm2. Assuming a typical flare photometric spectrum (up to 300% brighter in the near-UV), Neidi derived a total optical output of 2 1030 ergs. K. Harvey (private communication, 2001) has estimated that this [1859] flare was most probably 1032 ergs.

“The recent Kane et al. [1995] results have shown that the previously thought ‘‘upper limit’’ of 1032 ergs for the energy of a flare can be broken by a wide margin. Our time span of observations has been quite limited (only hundreds of years), and it is therefore doubtful that we have detected events at the saturation limit (either flares or magnetic storms). Can the Sun have flares at superflare energy (1038–1039 ergs) levels? Most probably not [see Lingenfelter and Hudson, 1980], but perhaps 1035 ergs is feasible for our Sun. The effects of an accompanying perfect magnetic storm might be catastrophic.”

The methodology of Web Bot and ALTA reports

Clif High, a developer of the Web Bot predictive technology has stated, “It is worth noting that almost invariably, accurate future predictive behavior is related to threat conditions. As with our [Web Bot] software, it would appear that humans and animals can much more easily ‘feel’ a threat coming than a blessing. It is likely very true that humans in general owe continued species existence to accurate future predictive behavior.”

The Web Bot project on which the ALTA reports are based uses software to “search the Internet for about 300,000 keywords with emotional context and record the preceding and following words to create a ‘snapshot.’ Through this, the technology is claimed to be able to examine the collective unconscious of the world as a whole. It is thus said to be able to predict catastrophic [and other] events 60 to 90 days in advance.” The Web Bot is claimed to have accurately predicted the September 11, 2001 terror attacks in June 2001, as well as the blackout of the Northeastern United States in 2003. The project was unsuccessful in predicting a Vancouver, B.C. and Pacific Northwest earthquake for December 12, 2008. The Web Bot 2009 prediction "dumping of the US dollar" came true on October 23, 2009, with reports of China's initial efforts to make the Yuan an international currency.

2012 & the Web Bot- ALTA reports

Recent ALTA and Web Bot reports have found a “’data gap’ has been found between early 2012 running through May 2013. One explanation is that ‘our civilization gets knocked back to a pre-electronic state,’ such as brought about by devastating solar activity.”

This possible ‘data gap’ would be an artifact of the worst case scenario predicted by the January 2009 NAS report as to the devastation caused by a repetition of a Carrington-type event during the 2012-13 solar maximum.

As we have seen, mainstream scientists have concluded that, “the probabilities of occurrence [of another Carrington event] cannot be assigned with any reasonable accuracy.”

There are at least two possible 2012 futures, based on the current Web Bot:

(1) 2012 meme - One possibility is that the Web Bot technology may be detecting the presence on the Internet of an escalating meme regarding a “repetition of a Carrington-type event during the 2012-13 solar maximum,” rather than an actual future event.

(2) 2012 Carrington-type event solar flare - Another possibility is that the Web Bot technology has done what mainstream science now says cannot be “assigned with any reasonable accuracy,” and Web Bot is accurately predicting a repetition of a Carrington-type solar flare or related event for 2012-13.

Read more here: http://www.examiner.com/article/2012-cataclysmic-breakdown-or-y2k-makeover-et-ufo-contact-dna-consciousness-transformation

The rest of the article is about Barbara Hand Clow's Catastrophobia, and the Orion Prophecy which is linked to further up-thread.

[frozen alchemy]

We'll be lucky if the only thing we have to worry about is a Carrington level event with all power being off for years, and the nuclear power plants all going to critical mass at once.

That benign-sounding 'fluffy cloud' supposedly heading our way and now apparently at the outskirts of the solar system, is a million degrees. I'm not sure if that's Farenheit, Centigrade or Kelvin, but I'm not sure it matters...

One prediction I saw, and the reason for the underground bases, was a prediction of sustained hot winds of 300 mph for several years. A significant downgrade from a million degrees, but still impressive.

[Carmody]

So now that the electric cartel has full control of electricity, by developing a grid that can be measured, distributed, and made scarce, where they can determine the price we pay, without any of the alternative sources of power allowed to be developed over the last century, their control grid has a very high potential of going down? And this grid, which is so vulnerable to a Carrington Type Event, is not being protected against such an event?

On another thread here on Avalon is a video by Winsor Galen about nuclear power,

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46819-A-video-they-won-t-want-you-to-see--Galen-Winsor-...

which he claims, quite credibly, that the technology exists where one small nuclear power generator could be set up and power ten city blocks with unlimited power, safely and without any waste? What about the opposing magnet type generators?

Can we say that the PTB do not care that the electrical grid might go down, at least for the majority of us? Can we say, since there is no measures being enacted to mitigate such an event, that they want the grid to go down?

What is the bottom line here?

The grid going down via Carrington type events would cost us control of all nuclear plants across the globe. And that is one hell of a catastrophe, in anyone's estimation. Never mind the lack of a grid afterward. Fukushima x500 or so, on a good day.

[Jeffrey]

We'll be lucky if the only thing we have to worry about is a Carrington level event with all power being off for years, and the nuclear power plants all going to critical mass at once.

That benign-sounding 'fluffy cloud' supposedly heading our way and now apparently at the outskirts of the solar system, is a million degrees. I'm not sure if that's Farenheit, Centigrade or Kelvin, but I'm not sure it matters...

One prediction I saw, and the reason for the underground bases, was a prediction of sustained hot winds of 300 mph for several years. A significant downgrade from a million degrees, but still impressive.

From what I've gathered, we are actually in this cloud right now (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_Interstellar_Cloud).

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/74/Local_Interstellar_Clouds_with_motion_arrows.jpg/768px-Local_Interstellar_Clouds_with_motion_arrows.jpg

We are protected by a mixture of our own magneto/ionosphere and an interplanetary magnetic field produced by our sun (http://helios.gsfc.nasa.gov/solarmag.html). If something were to happen to disrupt that field - that would definitely be a cause to go underground (more of a reason than solar flares) considering we are passing through this cloud.

[Carmody]

We'll be lucky if the only thing we have to worry about is a Carrington level event with all power being off for years, and the nuclear power plants all going to critical mass at once.

That benign-sounding 'fluffy cloud' supposedly heading our way and now apparently at the outskirts of the solar system, is a million degrees. I'm not sure if that's Farenheit, Centigrade or Kelvin, but I'm not sure it matters...

One prediction I saw, and the reason for the underground bases, was a prediction of sustained hot winds of 300 mph for several years. A significant downgrade from a million degrees, but still impressive.

From what I've gathered, we are actually in this cloud right now. We are protected by a mixture of our own magneto/ionosphere and an interplanetary magnetic field produced by our sun. If something were to happen to disrupt that field - that would definitely be a cause to go underground (more of a reason than solar flares) considering we are passing through this cloud.

This high level of dust is changing the charge state of the local and near-stellar fields (oort size,etc) and thus causing a form of damping and then..an eventual burp.

which is what we are seeing. Lowered activity, overall, high levels of thermal activity regarding the planets proper and this damped sun....with very mean and potent burps.

The given burp might naturally follow the lines of scalar energetics, which would correspond to the astronomic alignments of the planets and possibly that of astrological alignments. But more likely the astronomical alignments within the solar system.

[Hughe]

Small community in country side or suburban off of city has future. One can survive alone but the quality of living goes down dramatically. To prepare better living, I mean beyond survival, people need to look into small community that has independent source of water, food, and supplies in worst case scenario.

General public is so dumb down, live in delusional state completely separated from nature. One example is how many people know mobile phone will be uselessly when the grid is out? Fancy, modern condo or apartment buildings that use centralized HVAC system would be a obituary after three days of absence of electricity. There will be no water in Day 1. Water is supplied by massive electrical pump at various stations. Three days without water makes human in danger. Human need water at least 1.5L to 2L per day for being healthy.

I stopped looking into facts and evidence that tell me something is coming in near future. I rather started working on things I can do everyday. "Off grid" living is my goal. Suppose blackout occurs in the city I live, I move to my shelter either bicycle or walk or riding a motorcycle and live there at least few months comfortably. The shelter has spring water, LPG gas burner, do not require any electricity for heating and air conditioning. I don't use electrical pump to get water but bucket on a string. Neighbors look at me strangely. Some calls me I'm an idiot.

Once I install water reservoir for emergency situation, and build a pond that collect rain water, I'll have few years of clean water for myself and plants around the house.

Why the money in bank account is useless? Let me explain. When a massive black out occurs, all machines in stores and building will be dead. You can't get money from ATM or banks. Even if you have hundred thousand dollars of cash, you can't buy fuel on a gas station. The fuel pump needs electricity. What would you do then?

Main intersections will be crowded by cars, traffic accidents because all the signal lights disappear instantly or within few hours of the blackout. I count on maximum three days for total collapse on any big cities in the world. One week will destroy infrastructure.

I hope not seeing this type of natural disaster but overall I got tired of meaningless, slavery living in a city so I keep working on my off-grid project diligently. Once I have comfortable shelter, growing own food, I will be in different position. I will be able to help neighbors in the village who ask for help but I do not project nor advocate my perspective of world. I tried it few times and got only frustration. General public has been misinformed, deeply brainwashed. Everyday one part of my brain is screaming whenever I see stupidity behaviors, animated repetition like robots from people.

Small size of wind turbine, solar pannel, human powered generator, and HHC generator are practical energy source. Especially HHC generator that extracts hydrogen and oxygen from water electrolysis can provide reliable heat for cooking, heating, some other stuff in a house. Tweaking a small motorcycle can run 100% from HHC gas. Few thousand dollars of investment, you will have virtually life-time clean energy solution.
A house can be fixed or built from scratch less than few thousand dollars of expenses, the last is labor works.

Good news is there are plenty of knowledge that help people having better living. It comes down to individual level for having own life or existence as a slave like other billions. Freedom gives us choice every moment and we can be a creator too. I expect to see more and more people getting rid of TV, be the creator of their lives. Then they will start fighting against the system whoever or whatever it is. IMHO awakening is to realize own sovereign right and potential. That's just beginning.

If collective consciousness of humanity awakens within few years, which I hope to see, I'm for sure Earthlings will reach to stars.

[Jeffrey]

We'll be lucky if the only thing we have to worry about is a Carrington level event with all power being off for years, and the nuclear power plants all going to critical mass at once.

That benign-sounding 'fluffy cloud' supposedly heading our way and now apparently at the outskirts of the solar system, is a million degrees. I'm not sure if that's Farenheit, Centigrade or Kelvin, but I'm not sure it matters...

One prediction I saw, and the reason for the underground bases, was a prediction of sustained hot winds of 300 mph for several years. A significant downgrade from a million degrees, but still impressive.

From what I've gathered, we are actually in this cloud right now. We are protected by a mixture of our own magneto/ionosphere and an interplanetary magnetic field produced by our sun. If something were to happen to disrupt that field - that would definitely be a cause to go underground (more of a reason than solar flares) considering we are passing through this cloud.

This high level of dust is changing the charge state of the local and near-stellar fields (oort size,etc) and thus causing a form of damping and then..an eventual burp.

which is what we are seeing. Lowered activity, overall, high levels of thermal activity regarding the planets proper and this damped sun....with very mean and potent burps.

The given burp might naturally follow the lines of scalar energetics, which would correspond to the astronomic alignments of the planets and possibly that of astrological alignments. But more likely the astronomical alignments within the solar system.

Holy crap.

This burp would be the physical aspect of these spiritual processes we are all talking about - 2012, soul harvesting, Archons, ascension, occult astronomy. I don't want to tread off-topic here but the system of burping you just brought up parallels the need to clear out these anomolous defactors (once they reach a critical mass) of the system in order for the program to work (if we are passing through the matrix). I bet these burps have a periodicity too related to those astronomical alignments as you suggested. That would give a metaphysical aspect to this fluff too. The process of damping is an energetic drain on our system, like the "toll" we have to pay in order to traverse this cloud so to speak. Like an energetic osmosis? Hold on, I think I'm having an epiphany, gimme a sec

[Rocky_Shorz]

We'll be lucky if the only thing we have to worry about is a Carrington level event with all power being off for years, and the nuclear power plants all going to critical mass at once.

That benign-sounding 'fluffy cloud' supposedly heading our way and now apparently at the outskirts of the solar system, is a million degrees. I'm not sure if that's Farenheit, Centigrade or Kelvin, but I'm not sure it matters...

One prediction I saw, and the reason for the underground bases, was a prediction of sustained hot winds of 300 mph for several years. A significant downgrade from a million degrees, but still impressive.

From what I've gathered, we are actually in this cloud right now. We are protected by a mixture of our own magneto/ionosphere and an interplanetary magnetic field produced by our sun. If something were to happen to disrupt that field - that would definitely be a cause to go underground (more of a reason than solar flares) considering we are passing through this cloud.

This high level of dust is changing the charge state of the local and near-stellar fields (oort size,etc) and thus causing a form of damping and then..an eventual burp.

which is what we are seeing. Lowered activity, overall, high levels of thermal activity regarding the planets proper and this damped sun....with very mean and potent burps.

The given burp might naturally follow the lines of scalar energetics, which would correspond to the astronomic alignments of the planets and possibly that of astrological alignments. But more likely the astronomical alignments within the solar system.

I was just looking at a story about Magnetic Bubbles at the edge of our Galaxy...

http://www.astrobio.net/images/galleryimages_images/Gallery_Image_7860.jpg


Magnetic bubbles at the edge of the solar system are aboout 100 million miles wide--similar to the distance between Earth and the Sun. Credit: NASA

While using a new computer model to analyze Voyager data, scientists found the Sun's distant magnetic field is made up of bubbles approximately 100 million miles wide. The bubbles are created when magnetic field lines reorganize. The new model suggests the field lines are broken up into self-contained structures disconnected from the solar magnetic field. The findings are described in the June 9 edition of the Astrophysical Journal.

Like Earth, our sun has a magnetic field with a north pole and a south pole. The field lines are stretched outward by the solar wind or a stream of charged particles emanating from the star that interacts with material expelled from others in our corner of the Milky Way galaxy...

story link (http://www.astrobio.net/pressrelease/4023/magnetic-bubbles-at-the-edge-of-the-solar-system)

that was a year ago, are there any recent Voyager images showing what is going on with the cloud?


still no updates since it entered the cloud


Voyager 1 Now Humanity’s First Object to Reach Interstellar Space
NASA’s Voyager 1 satellite (yes, V’ger) has sent back signals indicating that it’s now leaving the heliosphere and entering interstellar space. At 11,100,000,000 miles away, Voyager 1 has set the record for the farthest a human made object has ever travelled and marks mankind’s first steps outside of our own solar system. Voyager’s latest radio signals, which take about 16 hours to reach Earth, have shown an increase energetic particles around the spacecraft, which indicates to scientists that it is at the edge of the heliosheath, or the bubble that surrounds and protects our solar system from cosmic winds....

http://scifanatic.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/voyager.jpg

link (http://www.lpi.usra.edu/features/voyager/061512/)

in this image it makes it look like we are traveling at intense speeds with a build up in front of us...

it also looks like nothing is behind us, unless, we are in a two star oval system and the other protects our rear...

so instead of using a diamond cutter to cut through this barrier out front, wouldn't it be easier sending it out behind us and looping around front after exiting the heliosphere?

[Maunagarjana]

Am I the only one who thinks of the movie "The Road" when contemplating this?

I wonder if this is exactly what Cormac McCarthy had in mind when he wrote the novel.

[Dennis Leahy]

http://www.naturalnews.com/033564_solar_flares_nuclear_power_plants.html

Mike Adams is often declared to be "alarmist", but this article shows he has the stuff of a comedy writer:

The upshot of this situation is that suddenly and without warning, the power grid infrastructure across nearly the entire planet could be destroyed. As a bonus, nearly all satellites will be fried, too, leaving GPS inoperable and causing millions of clueless drivers to become forever lost in their own neighborhoods because they never paid attention to the streets and always relied on a GPS voice to tell them, "In fifty feet, turn right."

Communications satellites will be obliterated, too. This, of course, will halt nearly all news propaganda distribution across the planet, causing tens of thousands of people to instantly die out of the sheer fear of suddenly having to think for themselves. As another bonus, nearly all mobile phone service will be disrupted, too, meaning all the teenage text junkies of the world will, for the first time in their lives, be forced to lay down their iPhones and interact with real people in the real world.

When The Reset Button document came out in early July 2011, the following was listed under the "Energy Reform" section, "Action" subsection:

All nuclear power plants to be decommissioned within 4 years, or sooner if possible. All nuclear power plants to be immediately retrofitted with gravity water cooling capable of cooling, in case of disaster (even in the case of a Carrington-effect level solar flare or coronal mass ejection (CME) that might wipe-out computerized cooling control systems.)It still seems like good advice to me.

Dennis

[Jeffrey]

Sun's protective 'bubble' is shrinking

By Richard Gray, Science Correspondent

1:30PM BST 18 Oct 2008


New data has revealed that the heliosphere, the protective shield of energy that surrounds our solar system, has weakened by 25 per cent over the past decade and is now at it lowest level since the space race began 50 years ago.

Scientists are baffled at what could be causing the barrier to shrink in this way and are to launch mission to study the heliosphere.

The Interstellar Boundary Explorer, or IBEX, will be launched from an aircraft on Sunday on a Pegasus rocket into an orbit 150,000 miles above the Earth where it will "listen" for the shock wave that forms as our solar system meets the interstellar radiation.

Dr Nathan Schwadron, co-investigator on the IBEX mission at Boston University, said: "The interstellar medium, which is part of the galaxy as a whole, is actually quite a harsh environment. There is a very high energy galactic radiation that is dangerous to living things.

"Around 90 per cent of the galactic cosmic radiation is deflected by our heliosphere, so the boundary protects us from this harsh galactic environment."

...

Measurements made by the Ulysses deep space probe, which was launched in 1990 to orbit the sun, have shown that the pressure created inside the heliosphere by the solar wind has been decreasing.

Dr David McComas, principal investigator on the IBEX mission, said: "It is a fascinating interaction that our sun has with the galaxy surrounding us. This million mile an hour wind inflates this protective bubble that keeps us safe from intergalactic cosmic rays.

"With less pressure on the inside, the interaction at the boundaries becomes weaker and the heliosphere as a whole gets smaller."

If the heliosphere continues to weaken, scientists fear that the amount of cosmic radiation reaching the inner parts of our solar system, including Earth, will increase.

This could result in growing levels of disruption to electrical equipment, damage satellites and potentially even harm life on Earth.

But Dr McComas added that it was still unclear exactly what would happen if the heliosphere continued to weaken or what even what the timescale for changes in the heliosphere are.

He said: “There is no imminent danger, but it is hard to know what the future holds. Certainly if the solar wind pressure was to continue to go down and the heliosphere were to almost evaporate then we would be in this sea of galactic cosmic rays. That could have some large effects.

“It is likely that there are natural variations in solar wind pressure and over time it will either stabilise or start going back up.”

Excerpts from http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/3222476/Suns-protective-bubble-is-shrinking.html

[gripreaper]

Interesting take on Montauk, the Philadelphia experiment, and Project Rainbow, etc. This was done in 1993, so it's 20 years old.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGglyC8QEnk&feature=player_embedded#t=1097s

[Chuck]

As I posted earlier, I suspect a big problem is a combination of cycles all happening at once to create the “perfect EM storm”.

Our number one defense against solar and cosmic radiation is our magnetosphere. It has been diminishing in strength for dozens of years. Many suspect our geo-magnetic dipole is flipping like it has done numerous times in the past and is well overdue. No one knows how long the reversal process takes. It is known however that the magnetic field strength is diminishing and hence our protective shield is diminishing.

This is happening now while we are entering a solar maximum period as everyone knows. A large ‘X’ class flare while shields are down will have catastrophic effects on electronic components and power grids.

The fly in the ointment is the further complication of our entire solar system possibly being bombarded by interstellar cosmic radiation. This, perhaps on the scale that Paul LaViolette and Dr. Alexey Dmitriev talk about. See http://projectcamelot.org/paul_laviolette.html and http://tmgnow.com/repository/global/planetophysical.html

But it doesn’t necessarily have to be a super wave of galactic charged particles bombarding our solar system because… guess what… the second shield of defense, our heliosphere is also diminished in strength. The solar winds have diminished.

So both shields, the heliosphere and the magnetosphere are diminished. This when a solar maximum is upon us (potential flares and CMEs) and… increase levels of cosmic radiation being detected. Hot, highly charged, magnetized and speedy… these cosmic plasma fields saturate the inter planetary medium allowing ANY size flare or CME to “short” from the sun to the earth like a lightning rod. Grease lightning indeed.

So IMO, it is not simply about the solar maximum but a combination of events happening all at once to create the perfect storm.

[papperkash]

Dr Persinger (inventor of the god helmet) would seem to suggest that a huge solar flare, could have quite the effect on human consciousness. According to him, the smallest changes in electromagnetic fields would be enough to create some interesting effects on the brain.

http://clickingmuse.com/?q=no-more-secrets

To really run with some of the theories within this post... what if the solar events connected human consciousness as Persinger appears to suggest? What if there are literally no more secrets?
It’s scary in some ways, that everyone would have a form of collective knowledge or a hive mind. But maybe this is actually used for good, in so much as our conscious intent is directed towards holding the elite to either account or imposing a justice upon them.

It is claimed that we are god, and we have forgotten this or we have become disconnected... maybe the re-connection event is exactly why the elite are afraid of solar flares? and why they seek to destroy us all first... to save their own asses.

I confess this is of course, wild speculation, with a pinch of possibility.

[TheChosen]

All this talk under the false assumption that all the other ET races will just idly stand by, eat popcorn, wait for an EM pulse to hit us and watch us fry... Even the sun itself is an intelligent entity and if it wanted to destroy us would have done so ages ago ... and if it changes it mind no human activity can do anything about it.

Relax, go have a full life and focus on the small things in life like doing something you love, raising a family and smelling the flowers :) .... We are protected, we always have been ...

[mattymoto]

This was posted in a new thread today.

http://www.groundzeromedia.org/gzpod/index.php?p=episode&name=2012-06-23_gzlive_062212.mp3


Here is a link to that thread.


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?47228-Baltic-Sea-Anomaly-Update-Has-the-Silencing-of-Writers-Started&p=519764#post519764


I do believe this interview with Maximillion de Lafayette should be part of this investigation.

[mattymoto]

wrNfpsPpJ4Q

At one point this cosmonaut states that due to waves from our galactic center our sun will become a red giant.

The voice in the video is Pane Andov aka "Astral Walker"-- I don't believe he is a cosmonaut. He was also born in Macedonia. Here have a looksy....


http://paneandov2012.com/


I'm not an astrophysicist but my gut tells me that if the sun were to become a red giant that the orientation of the solar system would balance itself- not without some upheavals of course. I don't believe the sun would consume us, rather it would push/pull the Earth to right where it needs to be. Nature has a way like that.

[Bill Ryan]

We are protected, we always have been ...

I'm not sure if we have been.

(Atlantis 12,000 years ago, and now widespread environmental destruction, GMOs, Fukushima, the suppression of free energy and viable alternative healing modalities, the drip-feed erosion of our access to healthy food, water and supplements... where's the protection?)

This is one of the problems. We may be on our own, with many ETs standing by as non-interfering spectators and cosmic archivists.

[mattymoto]

We are protected, we always have been ...

I'm not sure if we have been.

(Atlantis 12,000 years ago, and now widespread environmental destruction, GMOs, Fukushima, the suppression of free energy and viable alternative healing modalities, the drip-feed erosion of our access to healthy food, water and supplements... where's the protection?)

This is one of the problems. We may be on our own, with many ETs standing by as non-interfering spectators and cosmic archivists.

We have to handle this ourselves. Yes, once again, my gut speaks.

I would suggest that people put out their "feelers" today. I'm feeling some major "disturbance in the force." Emotions are running hot today, ground yourselves.

Goodness, let this not be what my guts are telling me it is.

[Bill Ryan]

As I posted earlier, I suspect a big problem is a combination of cycles all happening at once to create the “perfect EM storm”.



This is what Camelot witness Henry Deacon always said to us -- right from when we first met him in 2006. "The problem is that everything is happening at once."

[Cidersomerset]

But here's the thing that doesn't make sense here: nuclear. In a prolongued power down scenario, it would be very difficult to supply diesel, support personnel, etc., to the hundreds/thousands of nuclear power stations that would be in emergency shutdown but probably fried/damaged and still very hot and radioactive and in need of constant attention, like Fukushima is now. How is possible that all of these nuclear power stations could be maintained safely? Answer: it is not.

This is a big part of the ion material , that the atmophere is going to change and its all part of the Assencion process .......Its very indepth and ties in with much we discuss here.
is it true who knows ? but for me its getting 'spookily' close !!


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44999-BOB-James-and-Carolyn-explaining-Assencion....144double-helix-s-chromozone-14-RNA

[TheChosen]

We are protected, we always have been ...

I'm not sure if we have been.

(Atlantis 12,000 years ago, and now widespread environmental destruction, GMOs, Fukushima, the suppression of free energy and viable alternative healing modalities, the drip-feed erosion of our access to healthy food, water and supplements... where's the protection?)

This is one of the problems. We may be on our own, with many ETs standing by as non-interfering spectators and cosmic archivists.

All the reasons you mentioned above (including Atlantis) were actively caused by human or ET actions over which we as collective had some kind of control... and for that reason the ETs would never interfere too much as that would defeat the whole purpose of our existence. However a mass flare from the Sun is something that would completely reset the whole field and as far as that is concerned I do believe there are certain protections put in place to make sure it didn't happen or didn't influence the whole field too much

If you as a scientist put 10 mice in a tank and 10 cats in a separate tank , you only need to make sure that the whole room remains non-interfered with and safe ... but whatever happened within the room would be the real experiment. As far as Atlantis goes, the danger was that the cats and mice were getting too close to destroying the whole room, so it was allowed that they fall back to more 'harmless' levels to ensure the experiment goes on.

I believe we need to focus on things we can actively influence in order to 'beat the experiment'. What is the main goal of the experiment? Human DNA evolution.... How do we best fulfill the experiment? By having a full life and focusing on things we can influence and raising the next generation by having babies and teaching them lasting values

So maybe I should have worded my sentence in another way .... We are protected from things over which we have no influence (such as ELEs) ... when you think about it, allowing Atlantis to fall was in a way a necessary step in order to protect the whole experiment. If the Elites are boarding space ships and leaving, not much I can do about it... but what I can do is focus on producing the next level of DNA through my children and helping them do the same .. Once you start playing along with the main reasons of the experiement, you find support and help from all over the place

[Referee]

But here's the thing that doesn't make sense here: nuclear. In a prolongued power down scenario, it would be very difficult to supply diesel, support personnel, etc., to the hundreds/thousands of nuclear power stations that would be in emergency shutdown but probably fried/damaged and still very hot and radioactive and in need of constant attention, like Fukushima is now. How is possible that all of these nuclear power stations could be maintained safely? Answer: it is not.

This is a big part of the ion material , that the atmophere is going to change and its all part of the Assencion process .......Its very indepth and ties in with much we discuss here.
is it true who knows ? but for me its getting 'spookily' close !!


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44999-BOB-James-and-Carolyn-explaining-Assencion....144double-helix-s-chromozone-14-RNA

Have you noticed on a clear day the sky looks a bit different I see small points of bright white light in the sky. Not cosmic rays (streaks) it is something else a can't quite put my finger on it.

[Fred Steeves]

This Fair Lady we are a part of, and living on, is going to have the final say in this matter. She's the insider who I'm paying attention to, so therefore, as the Hopi prophecy states: "This can be a good time".http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/images/smilies/newadditions/smile.gif

Cheers All,
Fred

[Bill Ryan]

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I'm listening now to Lawrence E Joseph (http://lawrenceejoseph.com), linked earlier on this thread. Highly recommended.

I knew of Joseph's work a couple of years ago, but had never heard him speak. He's grounded, sensitive, and highly intelligent. I got to be impressed.

Start at 5:28 on video #3 below.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=s30TGJP7hrQ


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s30TGJP7hrQ

The accompanying YouTube text:






http://SolarStormWarning.com - The following information is paramount and should not be taken lightly. The alarming news was aired July 14, 2010 which now explains why NASA, along with The National Academy of Science and other world renowned scientist are all very concerned about the coming 2012-2013 solar maximum. On March 10th 2006 NASA issued a solar storm warning for 2012 but omitted telling the general population as to why the warning in their report.

Then in June of 2010, NASA once again warns the world population, but this time around, NASA warns the world community to get ready for a once in a life time solar storm. Other news agencies and websites like this one are reporting on the developing story, however no high government official has stuck their neck out to make an official announcement about the catastrophic implications on a global scale as to allow the general population to prepare.

The scientific data revealed by Alexei Dmitriev further supports NASA's original 2012 solar storm warning issued in 2006.

Astrophysicist Alexei Dmitriev says that both Voyager 1 and Voyager 2 satellites reveal that our sun, as well as our entire solar system, is now moving into an interstellar energy cloud. [Merav] Opher, a NASA Heliophysics Guest Investigator from George Mason University says this interstellar energy cloud is turbulent.

Dmitriev explains that this cloud of energy is exciting the atmospheres of our planets and especially our sun. As this interstellar energy cloud continues to excite/charge the sun, it causes the sun to become more active, resulting in greater output from the sun. IE: Bigger and more frequent solar storms and CME's resulting in the Carrington effect.

This interstellar cloud of electrical energy is also absorbed by the Earth, and scientist have found that it results in more earth quakes, all while dramatically effecting our weather here on earth.

When asked how long will it take our sun to pass through this interstellar energy cloud, Dr. Dmitriev replied, "I don't know. But If I had to guess, I would say somewhere between two thousand to three thousand years." This interstellar cloud is a wispy band of charged particles through which our solar system is slowly moving through.

When Dr. Dmitriev was asked what are the implications of all this for earth he replied, "Global catastrophe! Not in tens of years from now, but in ones of years" ...in that this global catastrophe is basically right around the corner setting the stage for NASA's latest solar storm warning 2012-2013.

Dr. Dmitriev is talking about the Carrington Effect, which can knock out electrical power and all modern forms of communications world wide for months on end, even years. When that happens, global anarchy and mass looting will soon begin as the food chain will become paralyzed/crippled in modern countries, while water shortages will quickly become a threat to our very survival because electricity is what runs the pumps that gets the water to our homes and offices.

If you are not prepared to be self sufficient for one to two years, then you and your family will be at risk of dehydration and starvation during a time when drinking water, food and toilet paper will be more valuable then money itself.

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

http://Solar-Storm-Warning.com

[wisky]

In a recent Camelot interview with Courtney Brown, Courtney mentioned that the Svalbard seed vault has been sealed earlier this year (Feb, 2012):

http://www.seedsnow.com/blogs/news/5842886-about-the-svalbard-global-seed-vault

Could it be a coincidence they chose to seal it this year? I doubted.

[Bill Ryan]

This Fair Lady we are a part of, and living on, is going to have the final say in this matter. She's the insider who I'm paying attention to, so therefore, as the Hopi prophecy states: "This can be a good time". :)


Lawrence Joseph describes later in the same Coast to Coast interview (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46887-From-Bill-Ryan-the-Ultimate-Hypothesis&p=519822&viewfull=1#post519822) how he visited a group of Russian shamans who (a) startled him with their intuitive insight into him (when he was meant to be interviewing them!) -- and (b) all stated that 2012 was "the start of the avalanche that would mark the demise of the west".

[Cidersomerset]

Have you noticed on a clear day the sky looks a bit different I see small points of bright white light in the sky. Not cosmic rays (streaks) it is something else a can't quite put my finger on it.



Its been difficult to see any blue sky over here for the last few months with all the rain and clouds.....I have noticed less chemtrails since Christmas overall, but difficult to confirm
because of the cloud cover...I have not noticed the streaks but thats not to say they are not there...


This Fair Lady we are a part of, and living on, is going to have the final say in this matter. She's the insider who I'm paying attention to, so therefore, as the Hopi prophecy states: "This can be a good time".

Cheers All,
Fred

This is supposed to be a great time !! ....Out of the ashes the Phoenix rises !!


12:21PM BST 15 Jun 2009


http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01423/crop_1423732c.jpg




Phoenix crop circle may predict end of the world

Crop circle experts believe the latest pattern to be discovered, a phoenix rising from the flames in Wiltshire, may give a warning about the end of the world.


The 400-foot design was discovered in a barley field in Yatesbury near Devizes and depicts the mythical phoenix reborn as it rises from the ashes.


Investigators claim more formations are referencing the possibility of a cataclysmic event occurring on December 21, 2012, which coincides with the end of the ancient Mayan calendar.


The Mayans believed civilisation exists within a series of earth cycles of 144,000 days each with the 13th expiring in December 2012, resulting in Armageddon.


Crop circle enthusiast Karen Alexander, from Gosport, Hants, said: "The phoenix is a mythical creature which symbolises rebirth and a new era in many cultures across the world.


"Within the crop circle community many believe the designs are constantly referring to December 21 and its aftermath.


http://www.rumormillnews.com/pix5/Yatesbury2LS_01.jpg

"This could be interpreted as the human race or earth rising again after a monumental event.

"The patterns are becoming more intricate with every find and it is exciting to think how they are going to evolve by the time we get to 2012."

Recent crop circles have included giant jelly-fish and one image discovered in Wiltshire in June which experts dubbed the most 'mind boggling' they had ever come across.

The formation, measuring 150ft in diameter, is apparently a coded image representing the first 10 digits, 3.141592654, of pi.

The 400-foot design was discovered in a barley field in Yatesbury near Devizes and depicts the mythical phoenix reborn as it rises from the ashes.


Investigators claim more formations are referencing the possibility of a cataclysmic event occurring on December 21, 2012, which coincides with the end of the ancient Mayan calendar.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/5540634/Phoenix-crop-circle-may-predict-end-of-the-world.html

[Bill Ryan]

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http://ibtimes.com/articles/194166/20110808/solar-storms-severe-solar-storms-earth-paralyse-carrington-event.htm






Severe Solar Storms Could Disrupt Earth This Decade: NOAA

The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, a federal agency that focuses on the condition of the oceans and atmosphere, said a severe solar storm could cause global disruptions in GPS systems, power grids, satellite communications, and airline communications.

With solar activity expected to peak around 2013, the Sun is entering a particularly active time and big flares like the recent one will likely be common during the next few years.

Most solar flares will only cause minor problems with satellites and power grids, but a major flare in the mid-19th century blocked the nascent telegraph system, and some scientists believe that another such event is now overdue.

In a huge solar storm back in 1859, telegraph offices worldwide were hit, some telegraph operators reported electric shocks, the telegraph systems malfunctioned and even paper caught fire. It's the strongest solar storm on record -- and is called the “Carrington Event” -- which is named after Richard Carrington, who viewed and reported on the solar flare of Sept. 1, 1859. Now, flash forward: In 1989, six million people in Quebec, Canada were left without power for several hours when a solar storm took down a power grid.

According to a report by the National Research Council in 2008, a solar storm similar to the ones in the past could cause up to $2 trillion dollars in damage across the globe today.

The NOAA predicted four “extreme” solar emissions which could threaten the planet this decade. Similarly, NASA warned that a peak in the sun's magnetic energy cycle and the number of sun spots or flares around 2013 could enable extremely high radiation levels.

This is a particular problem in the U.S., especially and poses a severe threat especially in the eastern U.S. Several federal government studies suggest that this extreme solar activity and emissions may result in complete blackouts for years in some areas of the nation. Moreover, there may also be disruption of power supply for years, or even decades, as geomagnetic currents attracted by the storm could debilitate the transformers.

Last month, the Nuclear Regulatory Commission said U.S. plants affected by a blackout should be able to cope without electricity for atleast eight hours and should have procedures to keep the reactor and spent-fuel pool cool for 72 hours.

Nuclear plants depend on standby batteries and backup diesel generators. Most standby power systems would continue to function after a severe solar storm, but supplying the standby power systems with adequate fuel, when the main power grids are offline for years, could become a very critical problem.

If the spent fuel rod pools at the country's 104 nuclear power plants lose their connection to the power grid, the current regulations aren't sufficient to guarantee those pools won't boil over -- exposing the hot, zirconium-clad rods and sparking fires that would release deadly radiation.

A report by the Oak Ridge National Laboratory said that over the standard 40-year license term of nuclear power plants, solar flare activity enables a 33 percent chance of long-term power loss, a risk that significantly outweighs that of major earthquakes and tsunamis.

A solar flare is caused when an intense burst of radiation comes from the release of magnetic energy associated with sunspots. Flares are the solar system's largest explosive events. A coronal mass ejection happens when the outer solar magnetic fields are closed, often above sunspot groups, and the confined solar atmosphere can suddenly and violently release bubbles of gas and magnetic fields.



Note the confirmation above of Houman's post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46887-From-Bill-Ryan-the-Ultimate-Hypothesis&p=519623&viewfull=1#post519623) that there is only a very limited capacity to fuel the standby cooling systems for nuclear power plants in the event of wide-scale emergency shutdown.

[Christine]

This Fair Lady we are a part of, and living on, is going to have the final say in this matter. She's the insider who I'm paying attention to, so therefore, as the Hopi prophecy states: "This can be a good time".http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/images/smilies/newadditions/smile.gif

Cheers All,
Fred

It is interesting that we speak of Mother Earth, Gaia, and honor her by acknowledging that She has the rights of a sentient being. We understand ourselves to be intimately linked to this giant Mother. This I agree with, but she is not alone in the Cosmos, and here we are collectively circling our Sun.

So what I ask is this, is not this Sun a sentient entity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentience) or collective with purpose of such a nature that we still do not comprehend?

Is this Sun not going through It’s own cycles’ in conjunction with other Cosmic forces that we are only on the edge of understanding?

The contemplation of the “heavens” is what has led Seekers of all known civilizations to knowledge of self by seeking harmony and relationship with the Cosmos (Known Creation).

If the Sun is going through this cycle – what are we to learn from this?

What is the Sun telling us?

Are there ET’s that influence this entity we know as our Sun?

Do we have influence over the activity of the Sun?

If we can communicate with Gaia, can we communicate with the Sun?

What assumptions are we making based on lack of data?

Just food for thought, and knowing the folks on the forum there may be some good answers out there. My questions come from an inner dialogue and sense of connection with what we are experiencing in the outer.

I do not want to distract from the "very real" repercussions and the need for preparation that this Solar Cycle indicates which is the purpose of this thread, perhaps these questions belong elsewhere.

[gripreaper]

Atlantis 12,000 years ago,

And we have this DNA memory deeply imbedded in our psyche, which we can choose to vibrate the fear, which the elite Archon's feed off of, or we can choose to say: Hey, we're not going to do what we did 12,000 years ago and completely destroy ourselves.


widespread environmental destruction, GMOs, Fukushima, the suppression of free energy and viable alternative healing modalities, the drip-feed erosion of our access to healthy food, water and supplements.

And, you are a good example of choosing not to eat GMO foods, drink fluoridated water, perpetuate western style environmental destruction, or support the beast, which is all of the things you mentioned. You have looked into all of the current events and have put together this Forum to expose the truth.

Each of us has to do the same. Don't feed the beast and the beast eats itself.

[SEAM]

NASA sends new mission to capture detailed UV images of Sun - July 11, 2012
This Wednesday, July 11, 2012, NASA will launch its High Resolution Coronal Imager (HI-C) mission from White Sands Missile Range in New Mexico, sending a sounding rocket above the atmosphere with some of the best mirrors ever made to capture incredibly-detailed ultraviolet images of our Sun.

During its ten-minute journey, HI-C will focus on the center of the sun, where a large sunspot is predicted to be – a prediction based on what the sun looked like 27 days previously, since it takes 27 days for the sun to complete a full rotation. HI-C will return some of the most detailed images of the Sun’s corona ever acquired, with a resolution five times that of previous telescopes… including the NASA’s Atmospheric Imaging Assembly (AIA) instrument on the Solar Dynamics Observatory (SDO).

http://thewatchers.adorraeli.com/2012/07/11/high-resolution-coronal-imager-hi-c/

[SEAM]

Seems the sun is getting a great deal of attention lately.

On July 5, 2012 NASA successfully launched a mission called the Solar Ultraviolet Magnetograph Investigation or SUMI, to study the intricate, constantly changing magnetic fields on the sun in a hard-to-observe area of the sun’s low atmosphere called the chromosphere.

http://idealab.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/07/nasa-launches-rocket-sumi-study-sun-magnetic-fields-solar-ultraviolet-magnetograph-investigation.php

[Bill Ryan]

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All was quiet on this thread for the last two hours until the last three posts! I assume many readers are deeply engaged in the many videos and articles linked. :)

There's a wealth of information here. Do please keep the reference material coming.

This thread was not only about the possibility of a serious solar storm in the next 5-9 months... but, in the opening post, asked the unthinkable question about whether at least some of the global controllers just might be preparing to personally abandon the planet. The evidence for that is very circumstantial, but there are a number of intriguing dots to join.

It's also possible that this was a Plan (or a 'Plan B') ... but it must be said that there is no evidence that this is current.

In the meantime, I'm still reminded of what Jake Simpson (http://projectcamelot.org/jake_simpson.html) told us in October 2008 -- that there's a "wave" headed this way, though it might be several years (maybe 2017 or so) before it really hit us. While not all of Jake's testimony is reliable, this aligns with what Paul LaViolette (http://http://projectcamelot.org/paul_laviolette.html) has been saying for a while. And George Green, who I now count as a good friend, has ben saying for years that we need to be preparing for extraordinarily high surface winds... something that Jake also stated, quite independently.

Here's the unanswered #1 question: what are all the underground bases for -- not only in the US, but also in Russia, China, Australia, and in many locations in Europe? And why -- to use Henry Deacon's words -- might the future of the human race depend on the secret space program?

[ThePythonicCow]

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I'm listening now to Lawrence E Joseph (http://lawrenceejoseph.com), linked earlier on this thread. Highly recommended.

I knew of Joseph's work a couple of years ago, but had never heard him speak. He's grounded, sensitive, and highly intelligent. I got to be impressed.

Start at 5:28 on video #3 below.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=s30TGJP7hrQ

Here's a Youtube playlist for the 13 of the video's in that Coast to Coast show: NASA 2012 - SOLAR STORM WARNING INTERSTELLAR ENERGY CLOUD (uploaded Jul 18, 2010) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKPdFjJPni8&list=PL31D4F717C220E07E&feature=plpp_play_all)

P.S. -- Unfortunately the playlist is out of order, mostly backwards. So you'll have to click around to play it in proper order.

[SKIBADABOMSKI]

I think I might offer my services as an underground bunker entertainer and can take my position at short notice. ;)

[Unified Serenity]

Has anyone noticed if this sun info is being talked about on MSM? I don't watch it much so I don't know if it is, but if it is then it is intriguing because they always seem to want to prime us to accept some "event". Of course we can't control the sun, but can we control how it affects our planet by various technologies and thus create a problem they know will become a crisis, so of course they have a solution? If it's not on msm, there is still the chance if some "event" happens they can point to the scientific reports and claim they really didn't know X was going to happen,and again we see the dialectic in play to blame it. I am always interested in sun activity, thanks.

[mattymoto]

I'm going to have to take another break. So many videos/radio shows/walls of text....my head is spinning and my eyes are burning. I should stop and process some of this before soaking any more in.


I speculate that these bases may not all be where we are to believe they are, or maybe they aren't bases at all. I recall reading an article long ago that mentioned that while building these D.U.M.B.s-- that they found ancient D.U.M.B.like facilities. Complete with advanced machinery that resembled current tech, but was a bit different in design.

[Bill Ryan]

I recall reading an article long ago that mentioned that while building these D.U.M.B.s-- that they found ancient D.U.M.B.like facilities. Complete with advanced machinery that resembled current tech, but was a bit different in design.

I heard this independently from Dan Burisch and also Jake Simpson.

[Daughter of Time]

This Fair Lady we are a part of, and living on, is going to have the final say in this matter. She's the insider who I'm paying attention to, so therefore, as the Hopi prophecy states: "This can be a good time".http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/images/smilies/newadditions/smile.gif

Cheers All,
Fred

It is interesting that we speak of Mother Earth, Gaia, and honor her by acknowledging that She has the rights of a sentient being. We understand ourselves to be intimately linked to this giant Mother. This I agree with, but she is not alone in the Cosmos, and here we are collectively circling our Sun.

So what I ask is this, is not this Sun a sentient entity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentience) or collective with purpose of such a nature that we still do not comprehend?

Is this Sun not going through It’s own cycles’ in conjunction with other Cosmic forces that we are only on the edge of understanding?

The contemplation of the “heavens” is what has led Seekers of all known civilizations to knowledge of self by seeking harmony and relationship with the Cosmos (Known Creation).

If the Sun is going through this cycle – what are we to learn from this?

What is the Sun telling us?

Are there ET’s that influence this entity we know as our Sun?

Do we have influence over the activity of the Sun?

If we can communicate with Gaia, can we communicate with the Sun?

What assumptions are we making based on lack of data?

Just food for thought, and knowing the folks on the forum there may be some good answers out there. My questions come from an inner dialogue and sense of connection with what we are experiencing in the outer.

I do not want to distract from the "very real" repercussions and the need for preparation that this Solar Cycle indicates which is the purpose of this thread, perhaps these questions belong elsewhere.

I agree with La Tigra.

Does Gaia have the power to protect her children? Surely, I think she would if she could. But then, so many of her children have raped her. Did she let them rape her because she wanted them to exercise their free will? Or, was she unable to stop them because they were operating under the influence of ET beings with greater power and destructive intent?

Women, in general, are the microcosm of Great Gaia. So many women have been subjected to rape, subjugation, objectification, as Gaia has. Was it because so many men are evil by nature? I don't think so. I believe the men who objectified women were manipulated to act out against the women who were there to emotionally nourish them.

And since Gaia is our cosmic mother, then, is not the Sun our cosmic father? What is the consciousness of the sun? Is the sun falling apart out of its own volition, or simply because its time is now up? Or is the sun also being manipulated by greatly destructive cosmic forces? Would the sun causing great chaos on Terra be just another form of great entertainment for evil ETs? Perhaps they have tired of the regular chaos and need a new spectacle.

My apologies if this post somewhat veers off the purpose of this thread. I do realize it does not contribute anything of value. I merely wanted to express that I don't feel that Gaia can stop any cosmic catastrophes, at least, not on her own.

Maybe, now that the collective consciousness is slowly beginning to rise, if the will of every human on earth were focused on stopping further calamities, we might succeed. We are, after all, more powerful than we know.

[gripreaper]

Don't we need to pause occasionally and distill, collate and develop a synopsis?

So, I just read the Jake Simpson Camelot link (http://projectcamelot.org/jake_simpson.html). We've had these types of solar events before, or some derivative thereof, either man made of cyclical by nature. The elite, hidden in their Vatican archives, have all of the ancient texts, and currently all of the technology which Jake claims is 10,000 years ahead of the open technology we are exposed to. The ability to go off planet is in the bag, and the underground network is so sophisticated and connected to all continents, it would make any normal person's head spin.

So, the elite are prepared for every contingency, regardless of whether it is unknown to the extent of time that such events may occur. Good for them. They managed to keep it a secret from us, have managed to pilfer the wealth of this planet and pull off one of the most impressive stealth projects imaginable, and as Bob Dean claims, could possibly preserve the integrity and survival of mankind for the next golden age.

But, where does that leave us? I think a few solar rechargeable batteries and Faraday cage to put our electronics in, along with a supply of long term storage foods, possibly moving to a not so populated area, is prudent, but seems ridiculously inadequate.

[greybeard]

The video posted on the OP on this thread is saying much the same.

Oops it has been removed--- wonder why.

The thread worth reading though.

Chris

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?47142-Drunvalo-Melchizedek-Hour-1-The-Mayan-Ouroboros-July-7-2012-Red-Ice-Creations

¤=[Post Update]=¤

All credit to Bill Ryan for starting this thread and relaying some "interesting" information
Chris

[Bill Ryan]

Don't we need to pause occasionally and distill, collate and develop a synopsis?

So, I just read the Jake Simpson Camelot link (http://projectcamelot.org/jake_simpson.html). We've had these types of solar events before, or some derivative thereof, either man made or cyclical by nature. The elite, hidden in their Vatican archives, have all of the ancient texts, and currently all of the technology which Jake claims is 10,000 years ahead of the open technology we are exposed to. The ability to go off planet is in the bag, and the underground network is so sophisticated and connected to all continents, it would make any normal person's head spin.

So, the elite are prepared for every contingency, regardless of whether it is unknown to the extent of time that such events may occur. Good for them. They managed to keep it a secret from us, have managed to pilfer the wealth of this planet and pull of one of the most impressive stealth projects imaginable, and as Bob Dean claims, could possibly preserve the integrity and survival of mankind for the next golden age.

But, where does that leave us? I think a few solar rechargeable batteries and Faraday cage to put our electronics in, along with a supply of long term storage foods, possibly moving to a not so populated area, is prudent, but seems ridiculously inadequate.

That's pretty much the best summary I've read. :)

[Bill Ryan]

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We have to see it from their point of view. The following might be contentious, but you'll get my point. Something uncomfortably like this happens to me every day.

I'm in my car, which is modern and works well. In it, I am insulated from the world, as I drive through the streets and look at all the little shops and markets where the locals strive to earn a living.

I have a load of shopping with me: good healthy food, and some essential supplies from hardware stores and other high-tech outlets. I'm on my way back to my warm, secure home, where I will cook a good meal, put the coffee on, and then start communicating with the rest of the world electronically -- something that just 100 years ago would have been tantamount to magic -- and quite beyond the reach of most of those local people around me.

At the traffic lights, a poor local woman tries to sell me some plastic baubles. I'm not interested, and wave her away. At the next lights, I pass a beggar in a wheelchair. He tries to catch my eye, but I steadily look in the other direction.

Even if I care -- these unfortunate people are not my problem. I'm all right: I retire to my secure high-tech house, and embark on a series of activities which would be beyond the imagination of tens of millions of less fortunate people. This is a two-tier society -- at least.

I am highly fortunate... as are you, reading this. Just a few short years ago, there were two billion people in the world who had never made a phone call.

The analogy is that in the eyes of the global controllers, I, and you, are just like the beggars or the poor street peddlers. We are inconvenient and embarrassing, they regard us a bit like another species, and they care only for their own comfort and their own goals.

If we don't bother them, they won't actually kill us on the spot, but they would be happy to rid the planet of us... 'the useless eaters'. The way they may be planning to do this is to set up a situation where 95% of us are too stupid, unaware or unable to survive. Then they sit back and watch the neo-darwinist eugenics experiment run its course. If we're lucky, the EMP bags, solar batteries, water filters, and food reserves will qualify us to make the cut.

They do NOT care about us... just as Michael Jackson sang.

***

In the above scenario, I've been rather unfairly uncharitable to myself. But I get my own point, and so may you. I've many times traveled in developing countries, and have been a sightseer during the day while I safely retire to my comfortable hotel at night. The local people do not have that luxury. You, and I, are in the top 5% of privileged people on Earth. Maybe even the top 1%.

So how do the top 0.0001% live and think? These are the people we're discussing here.

[Jenci]

Has anyone noticed if this sun info is being talked about on MSM? I don't watch it much so I don't know if it is, but if it is then it is intriguing because they always seem to want to prime us to accept some "event". Of course we can't control the sun, but can we control how it affects our planet by various technologies and thus create a problem they know will become a crisis, so of course they have a solution? If it's not on msm, there is still the chance if some "event" happens they can point to the scientific reports and claim they really didn't know X was going to happen,and again we see the dialectic in play to blame it. I am always interested in sun activity, thanks.


There's been a few reports here in the last few month on msm. Here is the latest from two days ago.




Are we safe from the sun? Solar flares keep on getting stronger - with latest hotspot the size of 15 Earths strung together


By EDDIE WRENN


PUBLISHED: 17:08, 9 July 2012 | UPDATED: 07:52, 10 July 2012



The sun is a tempestuous mistress - and her outbursts are becoming more and more violent as the weeks go on.

NASA's Solar Dynamics Observatory spotted the summer's first 'X' solar flare on Friday - a huge outburst from the sun right at the top of the scale.

This came on the back of 12 'M' flares in just six days, with a M6.1 flare knocking out radio signals across the planet on Thursday - hinting at the destruction the sun could reign on our technology if Earth takes a full blast across its blow.

The sunspot group behind the flares - named as AR1515 - stretches across 118,681 miles (191,000km) of the sun's surface.

This makes it's width more than 15 Earths set end to end, said NASA solar astrophysicist C. Alex Young.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2170985/The-suns-solar-flares-getting-stronger--latest-hot-spot-size-15-Earths-strung-together.html#ixzz20L8PWN00

[peace]

I recall reading an article long ago that mentioned that while building these D.U.M.B.s-- that they found ancient D.U.M.B.like facilities. Complete with advanced machinery that resembled current tech, but was a bit different in design.

I heard this independently from Dan Burisch and also Jake Simpson.

not intended as a slam;

Mr. Burisch. Can we rely on his testimony?

[Cidersomerset]

As David Icke would They are not fully human so the scenario you have just presented is perfectly true.

[Dennis Leahy]

.... Do please keep the reference material coming.

... whether at least some of the global controllers just might be preparing to personally abandon the planet.

... we need to be preparing for extraordinarily high surface winds... something that Jake also stated, quite independently.

Here's the unanswered #1 question: what are all the underground bases for -- not only in the US, but also in Russia, China, Australia, and in many locations in Europe? And why -- to use Henry Deacon's words -- might the future of the human race depend on the secret space program?

All I have is speculation, no reference material to add (there is a LOT here in this thread)

Nothing that I see would make me believe the global controllers are leaving the planet permanently, but for the exact same reason as hiding in an underground "bunker" (city), it makes sense to have a plan to leave temporarily.

We probably all know the childhood game of musical chairs: while the music plays, all the kids skip/dance/walk around a cluster of not quite enough chairs for everyone. The music stops, and the kids dive for a chair. Anyone left standing is out. If there is truly an unknown date and time for one or more major event (that is, it is not an event such as a false-flag for which they control the timing), could the Global Ruler version of this be that these individuals need to remain somewhere that affords them a very quick escape route? Being on a lunar base affords them the luxury of not being too far away* from a chair when the music stops.

Sounds like precautions that could have been taken to retrofit the electrical grid's most sensitive components for protection have not been done. That cannot be an accident. Is sounds to me to be a deliberate act of "sabotage by depraved indifference." So, are we to be pitted one against another in a survival game, for the Global Rulers' amusement? If so, I would not be surprised if the millions and millions of surveillance cameras will be powered by underground (zero point) generators, to make sure the Global Bastards have a ringside seat. I plan to spoil their fun by dancing poorly (easy for me) and singing off-key while I help out as many people as I can.

If there really is a lunar base (sorry for my doubts, but I have nothing but hearsay to go on), it is probably to be used for
a.) a (black-ops) military command outpost
b.) fail-safe genetic repository (seeds, ancient bloodline DNA, ...)
c.) off-world safe-house for the individuals that are at the pinnacle of the power pyramid

How many do we speculate will be given sanctuary? A million? Ten million? Probably, most would logistically have to be housed in subterranean shelters. (Too many outbound flights, too many supplies to take even 100,000 to a lunar base, I'd guess.)

The high surface winds means: add sandstorm-worthy goggles to your kit, and be thinking "fortified greenhouse" not "outdoor garden" for growing food.

Why all the underground bases? Rewards to the minions that have kept the Global Rulers in power and have kept the secrets. Sounds like we'll be dealing with a few terabecquerels if all the nuclear power plants are destined to become roman candles a few weeks after a Carrington-level CME event. Rich people would prefer not to deal with that - it makes their hair feel all static-y. Estates will be ghost towns, as even those wealthy enough to have a private army wouldn't want to take a chance that a disgruntled "have-not" might get lucky with a deer rifle. So (assuming Galen Winsor is incorrect), the "haves" will be running from radiation (airborne, most water and food) and hungry humans. They don't need any esoteric reasons to crawl into a hole.

Dennis

*(We should "chip" a few of the obvious Global rulers, and track their movements. Any volunteers?)

[noxon medem]

..
-

Intuitively the rememrance of the words :


The ultimate hypnosis , a grand illusion
- comes to mind ..

Sorry, do not remember where I read
or heard that in the past ...
( probably a short and pointed novel ..).

Be well

..
-

PS.
If you realy want to worry about
something real ...
- Here a thought and a fact ....
( check it )
The average level of oxygene
in our atmosphere is about
21 percent in a mix with
mainly nitrogene and some other ..
(research)
Someone told me that if you raise
the level of oxygene in a closed
environment with only a few digits
(lets say 25 percent, but find facts)
then ...
It has the potential to self-ignite
and burns with the most intense
(ferousious) capasity (ask the scientist)

- so !
Is it realy the level of CO2
we need to "worry" about ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide
( and please look up "oxygene, jM Jarre style ..).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HJ2Q8GQwts
( Jean Michel Jarre Oxygene )
- short version :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhduMeywNrU&feature=related


PPs
Co2 is also ( in addition to growing things )
used to stop fires and explosions .
( check it ..).


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JE4HTEhx7AU&feature=fvsr
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JE4HTEhx7AU&feature=fvsr
( Amazing Fire & Gas Trick! )


Ironicaly it might be the co2 ignited excessive
plant and algea growth, producing oxygene,
combined with human projects to reduce (Co2)
certain gases in our atmosphere that could
result in dangerous oxygene levels here on earth,
- if that realy could, and would, happen to be.

(this is a philosophic and speculative scenario)
- of course , or was it off ...

These natural systems , of old, it seems they
have ways of balancing and sustaining themselves,
- and all ...


Be (a) well

..
-

[Bill Ryan]

Are we safe from the sun? Solar flares keep on getting stronger - with latest hotspot the size of 15 Earths strung together

By EDDIE WRENN

PUBLISHED: 17:08, 9 July 2012 | UPDATED: 07:52, 10 July 2012

Read more: http://dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2170985/The-suns-solar-flares-getting-stronger--latest-hot-spot-size-15-Earths-strung-together.html#ixzz20L8PWN00

This is a very good MSM article.... do take a look.

[Bill Ryan]

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Here are a couple of great comments on the very good article http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/194166/20110808/solar-storms-severe-solar-storms-earth-paralyse-carrington-event.htm :






Actually the Carrington Event occurred in a time of low sun spot activity. This is a very real threat, while NOAA and NASA have cried wolf so many times over the hoax of global warming totally putting their credibility down the crapper... solar storms are a true danger to our way of life on planet earth. However, there are measures in place by power companies to either harden their infrastructure or simply turn it off if things got too bad with the two or three days warning that is typically associated with these storms.

Should it be a concern? Absolutely... should we put more money into making sure our power grids are more protected... absolutely.... can we do anything about it if it does take out a continent's or the world's power grids? Nope....

...And...





The loss of electricity in a couple of large metro areas that lasts more than 7 to 14 days will be a tipping point for stability of the country. The widespread deaths of those whom need electricity to live and the loss of access to basic supplies such as food and water will prompt people to take action into their own hands.

The inability to pump fuel, to pump water, to maintain food storage and to perform healthcare will overwhelm the authorities' ability to maintain order. Just-in-time food delivery to stores and warehouses along with the fact that cities import almost ALL food they consume daily from other regions is a volatile situation waiting to happen.

Be vigilant to the signals that an event like this has began, the time to secure your family and yourself will be limited before events spiral out of control. Some simple steps and some basic planning will put you in a much better position to react and survive as compared to most of your neighbors. Google is your friend, read and find the info you need to protect your family should the situation arise.

The loss of electricity for even 1 year, let alone a decade, will cause a major realignment of our country's structure and future. I hope we never see this occur.

[Belle]

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We have to see it from their point of view. The following might be contentious, but you'll get my point. Something uncomfortably like this happens to me every day.

I'm in my car, which is modern and works well. In it, I am insulated from the world, as I drive through the streets and look at all the little shops and markets where the locals strive to earn a living.

I have a load of shopping with me: good healthy food, and some essential supplies from hardware stores and other high-tech outlets. I'm on my way back to my warm, secure home, where I will cook a good meal, put the coffee on, and then start communicating with the rest of the world electronically -- something that just 100 years ago would have been tantamount to magic -- and quite beyond the reach of most of those local people around me.....

..........

Even if I care -- these unfortunate people are not my problem. I'm all right: I retire to my secure high-tech house, and embark on a series of activities which would be beyond the imagination of tens of millions of less fortunate people. This is a two-tier society -- at least.

I am highly fortunate... as are you, reading this. Just a few short years ago, there were two billion people in the world who had never made a phone call.

..........

In the above scenario, I've been rather unfairly uncharitable to myself. But I get my own point, and so may you. I've many times traveled in developing countries, and have been a sightseer during the day while I safely retire to my comfortable hotel at night. The local people do not have that luxury. You, and I, are in the top 5% of privileged people on Earth. Maybe the top 2%.

Perhaps we are not the privileged ones when it comes to being sent to the 'dark ages' because of a solar storm.

We have become spoiled. Everything is provided to us...food we do not grow ourselves, water from a tap, disengaged from nature and its workings, for the most part. We are totally dependent on energy to supply our needs...no energy (grid down)= no food, water, transportation, communication, information, etc. We depend on the 'weatherman' who depends on satellites to warn us of potential earthquakes, volcanic activity, hurricanes...having lost touch with ancient knowledge of the signs of such activity.

iirc, during the big, unexpected tsunami in India, I believe, it was the elders, holding to the old traditions who tried to warn everyone at least a day in advance to head to high ground...they could see the signs most people could not. Yet, even the others of their tribe/clan, especially the younger ones, did not believe them.

It appears to me, we are the ones who are 'screwed'...privileged in the short run, but the big losers in the long run. The top 1% have the technology to get out in some way...the very bottom can read the earth signs, many remembering the 'old ways'...and we pay the price for becoming totally dependent on the system.

Small, self supporting communities have the greatest potential of successfully facing what may be coming our way, imo.


So how do the top 0.001% live and think? These are the people we're discussing here

Their survival first and foremost. I'm assuming they've already made plans for after the event, considering the seed vault and emergency 'governmental' actions, to pick up where they left off. As to us, I'm sure they'd be happy if just enough of us survived to serve them as they require.

[gripreaper]

So how do the top 0.0001% live and think? These are the people we're discussing here.

This has been discussed ad nauseam on other threads, most notably the Archon thread. These creatures, which I hate to call human since they do not have empathy and only see us as cattle to run their industrial machine as long as we are useful, are severed from the energetic centers know as the higher chakras. These chakras are known as the celestial, while the lower chakras are known as the terrestrial, or reptilian, or animal, or survival, or some such derivative thereof.

We all have these instincts. The difference between the empath and the psychopath, is the psychopath has NO connection to anything outside of their self serving animalistic survival needs of satiating hedonistic desires of gluttony and avarice. Anything which gets in the way of this, is to be removed and discarded as so much trash.

The challenge for most sentient empathic beings, is their impossibility of seeing any alleged human as different from themselves, and the context through which they view these psychopaths is empathic, and that, from my point of view, is a mistake.

They are reprobate, incorrigible, and cannot be rehabilitated to be empathic. We need to realize this. After 26,000 years of experience, is it safe to say that this is true?

[Cidersomerset]

Sun Erupts with Strongest Summer Solar Flare -- X 1.1 Solar Flare July 6, 2012

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New large Sunspot gets numbered--Sun update July 8 , 2012


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NASA WARNS & MASSIVE SOLAR STORM HIT THE EARTH IN JANUARY 2012 By Prof. M. Reza Salami

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Jesse Ventura talks to researcher Larry Joseph he says basically everything said so far and
says there is a solution to minimise the effects its to install ground resistors!!

Just place those resistors between the ground and the transformers and it will keep us
from shorting out the nation. Jesse asks if it is that easy why are they not doing it ?
Joseph says we have one problem its not money its not technology its politics !!!

Then we are back to speculation but worth a watch ....

I don't know if it BS or not about the resisters , thats for you tech guys !!

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This may have already been posted but ties in with this post...

[goinghome2012]

I was looking over James Horak material about et's or some kind of entities healing or doing something to our sun. What are they doing? why are they doing it and how long do we have until they say enough is enough and just let nature and the universe take its course.

I realize if the sun, Hellios goes super nova and or an immense solar radiation hits Earth, then there will be more suffering and chaos. Is this why they have prepared the underground bases and Fema camps?

Maybe this is what we need in order to bring humanity together in oneness and cooperation. The Matrix money slave system needs to be ended. Love ourselves, love our neighbour and therefore take care of each other and Mother Earth.

Raise our vibrations

peace, love and blessings

[Rocky_Shorz]

-------

Here are a couple of great comments on the very good article http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/194166/20110808/solar-storms-severe-solar-storms-earth-paralyse-carrington-event.htm :






Actually the Carrington Event occurred in a time of low sun spot activity. This is a very real threat, while NOAA and NASA have cried wolf so many times over the hoax of global warming totally putting their credibility down the crapper... solar storms are a true danger to our way of life on planet earth. However, there are measures in place by power companies to either harden their infrastructure or simply turn it off if things got too bad with the two or three days warning that is typically associated with these storms.

Should it be a concern? Absolutely... should we put more money into making sure our power grids are more protected... absolutely.... can we do anything about it if it does take out a continent's or the world's power grids? Nope....

...And...





The loss of electricity in a couple of large metro areas that lasts more than 7 to 14 days will be a tipping point for stability of the country. The widespread deaths of those whom need electricity to live and the loss of access to basic supplies such as food and water will prompt people to take action into their own hands.

The inability to pump fuel, to pump water, to maintain food storage and to perform healthcare will overwhelm the authorities' ability to maintain order. Just-in-time food delivery to stores and warehouses along with the fact that cities import almost ALL food they consume daily from other regions is a volatile situation waiting to happen.

Be vigilant to the signals that an event like this has began, the time to secure your family and yourself will be limited before events spiral out of control. Some simple steps and some basic planning will put you in a much better position to react and survive as compared to most of your neighbors. Google is your friend, read and find the info you need to protect your family should the situation arise.

The loss of electricity for even 1 year, let alone a decade, will cause a major realignment of our country's structure and future. I hope we never see this occur.

they are setting up shut off switches triggered by Stereo to shut down the power grids, the 3 day storms aren't what they are worried about, it is the 9 minute flash when it first happens that carries the greatest threat...

most don't have time to even know it is coming before it reaches us...

there are no solar flare alarms...

2 additional satellites are being sent up over the next month for monitoring energy from inside and outside of our system...

[Bill Ryan]

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More material. These are all downloads... plenty of reading for all. :)

Solar activity:


Full video (http://projectavalon.net/resources/Matthew_Stein_WHEN_TECHNOLOGY_FAILS_Project_Camelot_11_Oct_2009.mp4) (MP4) of Matthew Stein (the author of WHEN TECHNOLOGY FAILS) in his Project Camelot interview presentation.
Matthew Stein's Feb 2012 article (http://projectavalon.net/resources/Solar_Flares_EMP_and_Nuclear_Armageddon_Matthew_Stein.pdf) entitled: 400 Chernobyls: Solar Flares, EMP, and Nuclear Armageddon.
A must-read article (http://projectavalon.net/resources/Electromagnetic_Pulse_EMP_Protection_Jerry_Emanuelson.pdf) by engineer Jerry Emanuelson on how to safeguard against a potential EMP (electromagnetic pulse), either from a nuclear weapon or from extreme solar activity.
A must-read e-mail exchange (http://projectavalon.net/resources/Project_Camelot_A_Major_Electrical_Problem_in_2012-2013.pdf) between Bill Ryan from Project Camelot and the wife of a senior UK electrical engineer, in which she reports that her husband had just received notice of impending catastrophic failure of global electrical systems in 2012-13.
An excellent summary article (http://www.examiner.com/article/cyberspies-or-solar-storms-the-real-threat-to-us-electrical-grid) by Dr Michael Salla on the problem of possibly imminent solar superstorms.
Click here (http://projectcamelot.org/Solar_Storm_Threat_Analysis_James_Marusek_Impact_2007.pdf) and here (http://projectcamelot.org/Solar_Cycle_24_Analysis_James_Marusek_Impact_2009.pdf) for two important papers on solar activity by James Marusek (2007 and 2009).
A US Army technical manual (http://projectcamelot.org/tm_5_690.pdf), cleared for public release, on safeguarding electrical systems against various kinds of electrical interference. Chapter 5 (p.130) discusses risks from electromagnetic pulses.

Economic collapse:

A must-read article (http://projectavalon.net/resources/Protocols_For_Economic_Collapse_In_America_Al_Martin_2004.pdf) by economist Al Martin: PROTOCOLS FOR ECONOMIC COLLAPSE IN AMERICA. It was written in 2004, so the first 4 pages can be skipped. Start reading at the top of page 5.
A must-read final chapter (http://projectavalon.net/resources/AFTERSHOCK_Robert_A_Wiedemer_unpublished_final_chapter.pdf) of the book AFTERSHOCK by economist Robert Wiedemer, predicting catastrophic economic collapse in 2012. This unpublished chapter was so hard-hitting that the publishers actually omitted it from several editions of the book.

[Hervé]

From: http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/25-signs-the-collapse-of-america-is-speeding-up-as-society-rots-from-the-inside-out (http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/25-signs-the-collapse-of-america-is-speeding-up-as-society-rots-from-the-inside-out)


25 Signs The Collapse Of America Is Speeding Up As Society Rots From The Inside Out




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The problems that America is experiencing right now are not just confined to the field of economics. The truth is that there are signs of deep decay wherever we look, and without question the United States is rotting from the inside out in thousands of different ways. For a long time our debt-fueled prosperity (http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/too-much-debt-our-biggest-economic-problem) has masked much of the social decay that has been festering underneath the surface, but now it is becoming increasingly apparent that the thin veneer of civilization that we all take for granted is beginning to disappear. For many Americans, it is easy to point a finger at a particular group or political party and blame them for all of our problems, but the reality of the matter is that our societal decay cuts across all income levels, all political affiliations and all regions of the country. We are being destroyed from within, and this decay can be seen on the streets of the most dilapidated sections of major U.S. cities and it can also be seen in the halls of power in Washington D.C. and on Wall Street. It is undeniable that something has fundamentally changed. The American people do not seem to possess the same level of character that they once had. So where do we go from here?

The following are 25 signs the collapse of America is speeding up as society rots from the inside out....

1. Homicides in Chicago are 38 percent (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/26/us/rate-of-killings-rises-38-percent-in-chicago-in-12.html?pagewanted=all) ahead of where they were last year at this time. In fact, the Daily says (http://www.thedaily.com/page/2012/06/15/061512-news-chicago-murders-knowles-1-3/) that "homicide victims in the Windy City outnumber U.S. troops killed in Afghanistan this year". Things are taking a turn for the worse in other major U.S. cities as well. Just check out the carnage that happened in New York City this past Friday night (http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/a-weekend-carnage-city-killed-21-injured-stabbings-shootings-article-1.1109768?localLinksEnabled=false)....

Across barely eight hours, at least seven New Yorkers were murdered and another 21 shot, stabbed or slashed across the city — with only three suspects arrested before the blood stopped flowing
2. Speaking of New York City, a teacher there recently posted the following on her Facebook page....

“Crupi and I survived a shootout today…Thank God we are ok…To all the wanna be gangstas of Staten Island (who say they are from Brooklyn but really aren’t), be grateful you have what you have and stop trying to live a lifestyle you will never understand.”
About a week later, her husband discovered her dead in a pool of her own blood (http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/07/05/nyc-school-teacher-found-fatally-stabbed-inside-staten-island-apartment/) in their apartment. She had been stabbed numerous times.

3. Reporter James Carlini (http://wtnnews.com/articles/7673/) recently discussed the growing problems that roaming gangs of youths are causing along the Magnificent Mile in Chicago....

There is an increase in problems at night with small gangs roaming around looking for the right prey.
Don't bother looking for any cops, they are far and few between. Little perfume-size pepper spray canisters may be in vogue, politically correct and fit in a purse, but they are not practical. Forget about pepper spray, you'd need a gallon jug of it to stop five or six assailants.
Do you now need a .357 Magnum to walk down the Mag Mile? Maybe a compact .45 or a high-capacity 9MM “just to be on the safe side” is more what you should have. Even the police are telling each other that they better “carry large caliber” off-duty and not be caught unarmed.
4. Down in Florida, a lifeguard named Tomas Lopez was recently fired for attempting to saving a man that was drowning "outside his patrol zone (http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/06/tagblogsfindlawcom2012-freeenterprise-idUS46486403720120706)"....

Lopez, 21, was hired by Jeff Ellis Management to monitor a portion of a public beach in Hallandale Beach, Fla. The company allegedly gave Lopez strict instructions to stay inside his patrol zone, ABC News reports.
But when Lopez spotted a man in distress outside his patrol zone Monday afternoon, he ignored those instructions and leapt into action.
By the time lifeguard Tomas Lopez got to the man, other bystanders had already pulled him to shore, the South Florida Sun Sentinel reports. Lopez stayed with the man until paramedics arrived.
That valiant act was Lopez's last as a lifeguard, as his employer fired him for straying 1,500 feet outside his patrol zone.
5. Authorities say that thieves are stealing identities and filing fraudulent tax returns on a scale never seen before (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/27/us/id-thieves-loot-tax-checks-filing-early-and-often.html?_r=1)....

With nothing more than ledgers of stolen identity information — Social Security numbers and their corresponding names and birth dates — criminals have electronically filed thousands of false tax returns with made-up incomes and withholding information and have received hundreds of millions of dollars in wrongful refunds, law enforcement officials say.
The criminals, some of them former drug dealers, outwit the Internal Revenue Service by filing a return before the legitimate taxpayer files. Then the criminals receive the refund, sometimes by check but more often though a convenient but hard-to-trace prepaid debit card.
In all, the IRS says that there were approximately 940,000 fake tax returns (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/27/us/id-thieves-loot-tax-checks-filing-early-and-often.html?_r=1) filed for 2010.

6. U.S. Secret Service agents are supposed to be "the best of the best" and are charged with guarding our top public officials. But even they have exhibited a consistent pattern of moral decay for many years according to one recent report (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/years_of_secret_disservice_JgCJ8gbz9V0Wp1D00aAuUL)....

Secret Service agents and officers have been accused of leaking sensitive information, publishing porn, sexual assaults, illegal wiretaps, embezzlement and drunkenness on duty, according to a 229-page log released yesterday.

After a prostitution scandal in April, when agents consorted with hookers while preparing for President Obama’s arrival in Colombia, Service Director Mark Sullivan apologized. But he said it was an isolated case, not a “systemic issue.”

However, the log, which the Service Service released yesterday after news organizations requested it under the Freedom of Information Act, shows a pattern of misdeeds dating back to 2003.
7. These days thieves will steal just about anything that is not bolted down and that they can sell for money. For example, three thieves recently broke into a Chicago beauty supply store and took off with hair extensions that were worth a total of $230,000 (http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/thieves-bust-through-wall-of-chicago-store-to-steal-230000-worth-of-hair-extensions/2012/07/07/gJQAlnZNUW_story.html?wprss=rss_social-nation-headlines&Post+generic=%3Ftid%3Dsm_twitter_washingtonpost).

8. Up in Minnesota, thieves are stealing Bronze Stars from hundreds of military graves (http://www.startribune.com/local/155547995.html), and down in Fresno, California thieves have actually been stealing metal crosses (http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/may/09/metal-thieves-steal-fresno-church-cross/) from churches.

9. According to one shocking new report (http://theweek.com/article/index/225046/why-is-wall-street-full-of-psychopaths), one out of every 10 Wall Street employees is a "clinical psychopath". That is a rate about 10 times higher than the general population.

10. Even many police are going crazy these days. Over in Seattle, police zapped a pregnant woman with a taser three times (http://www.cafemom.com/articles/pregnancy/137677/cops_taser_pregnant_woman_3?utm_medium=sem2&utm_campaign=prism&utm_source=outbrain&utm_content=0) just because she refused to sign a ticket.
11. Down in California, one man recently sliced off the ear (http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2012/04/20/man-allegedly-slices-ear-off-over-unpaid-debt/) of another man with a knife over an unpaid debt.

12. These days we are seeing senseless crimes being committed even in small towns in the heartland of America. Just check out what happened in Helena, Montana about a week ago (http://www.beartoothnbc.com/news/helena/24217-surveillance-video-captures-two-men-beating-homeless-man.html)....

Helena Police are working to identify two young men after what they call a random act of violence over the weekend. Helena Police found a 40-year-old homeless man badly beaten in an alley behind the Gold Bar around 2 a.m. Sunday morning.

Helena Police Detective Sergeant Richard Drysdale states,” The video shows two white males surrounding the victim as he was entering the walkway yelling at him and then knocking him down to the ground where they beat and kicked him until he was unconscious.”
You can find a video report about this incident right here (http://www.beartoothnbc.com/news/helena/24217-surveillance-video-captures-two-men-beating-homeless-man.html).

13. One town in Connecticut was forced to shut down a beautiful new public fountain because too many people were using it as a toilet (http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2011/06/08/dnt.fountain.used.toilet.cnn?hpt=hp_t2).

14. According to one very shocking study (http://www.christianpost.com/news/americans-declining-urge-to-marry-50964/), the percentage of U.S. households that contain a married couple with children has fallen from 44.3% in 1960 to 20.2% today.

15. A huge brawl between parents (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=RrBNZGVRTOY) erupted during one recent preschool graduation ceremony down in the Los Angeles area.

16. We continue to see "mob robberies" at retail establishments all over the nation. During one recent mob robbery in Detroit, thugs beat the living daylights (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQWXI_9ctKQ&feature=player_embedded) out of one very unfortunate stock clerk.

17. Speaking of Detroit, nobody is immune to the spreading violence in that city. For example, just check out what happened recently to a 22-year-old pregnant woman (http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-05-27/pregnant-woman-shot-survives/55237958/1?csp=hf)....

A 22-year-old pregnant woman survived after being bound, driven to Detroit, set on fire and shot early Saturday morning.

The woman, who was nine-months pregnant, had returned from a movie with her boyfriend and dropped him off at his house in Warren when she was approached from behind, Warren police Sgt. Dave Geffert said.

The woman's hands, feet and eyes were bound with duct tape. She was then forced into her car and driven to an unknown place in Detroit where she was doused with lighter fluid, set on fire and shot once in the upper back, he said.
18. Many families returned to their homes following the recent wildfires in Colorado only to discover that their houses had been robbed and looted (http://denver.cbslocal.com/2012/07/01/waldo-canyon-fire-evacuees-burglarized-vandalized/).

19. One 33-year-old art teacher in Arizona was not satisfied with only having sex with one of her students. In fact, police have charged her with having sex with four of her male students (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/21/melissa-dalton-teacher_n_1533664.html?icid=maing-grid10%7Chtmlws-main-bb%7Cdl15%7Csec1_lnk2%26pLid%3D162796).

20. Down in Florida, one man has actually been charged with biting the lips off of a kitten (http://www.clickorlando.com/news/Deputies-Man-bit-lips-off-kitten/-/1637132/14277994/-/43jv97z/-/index.html).

21. Over in Waco, Texas a 22-year-old man recently strangled and ate the family dog (http://www.abcactionnews.com/dpp/news/national/another-zombie-like-attack-man-eats-family-dog-after-police-say-he-ingested-synthetic-drug-k-2#ixzz1ysDMduO3) while he was high on drugs.

22. Of course most of us have heard of the recent outbreak of "zombie attacks (http://unexplainedmysteriesoftheworld.com/archives/zombie-apocalypse-suddenly-criminals-all-over-america-are-chewing-human-flesh-and-eating-human-brains)" around the nation where criminals have actually been biting their victims and chewing their flesh. The following is another example of this phenomenon from a recent case in central New York (http://connecticut.cbslocal.com/2012/06/25/cops-woman-high-on-bath-salts-wanted-to-kill-someone-and-eat-them/)....

A synthetic drug known as “bath salts” is blamed for some bizarre behavior in central New York.

The Utica Observer-Dispatch reports that police officers were called to Stanley’s Bar Saturday night to check out a woman described as emotionally disturbed. When an officer approached her, she lunged at him and tried to bite his face. Police say she screamed that she wanted to “kill someone and eat them.”

The woman was taken to St. Luke’s Memorial Hospital for a mental health evaluation.
Another very disturbing "zombie incident" took place down in Georgia recently (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2168050/Man-high-bath-salts-strips-naked-attacks-police-officers-golf-course-saying-wants-eat-faces.html)....

Karl Laventure, 21, was believed to be high on bath salts when he tried to attack the officers in Lilburn, Georgia.

And after they had managed to subdue him he began threatening to eat them.

Laventure appeared out of some woods and was seen running naked around a golf range near Atlanta, swinging a club around his head and screaming.

Police said that it took several officers to subdue the man who had 'super-human strength'.
23. All over America, people seem to be losing their minds. Just check out what one man in New Jersey did recently when police arrived at his home....

Officers got a call that morning when a witness said Carter was threatening to harm himself with a knife. Two cops responded, kicked in the door and found Carter in the corner, the station reported.
Carter allegedly ignored officers' orders to put down the knife, and instead began stabbing himself in the abdomen, neck and legs.
An attempt to pepper spray the bleeding man had no effect, the Associated Press reported.

That's when Carter -- disemboweled but responsive -- reportedly threw bits of his skin and intestines at the officers.
24. One woman in the St. Louis area was recently caught cooking meth in her purse inside a Wal-Mart store (http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2012/06/08/woman-caught-with-purse-sized-at-mehlville-walmart/).

25. Anyone that believes that slavery has been abolished in America does not know what they are talking about. Every single night sex slaves are being horribly abused all over the United States. The following is from a recent Daily Mail article (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2165051/FBI-rescues-79-child-sex-slaves-hotels-truck-stops-massive-day-raid-country.html)....

The FBI has rescued 79 teens held against their will and forced into prostitution from hotels, truck stops and stores during a three-day swoop on sex-trafficking rings across the country.

The sex slaves were aged between 13 and 17, although one said she had been involved in prostitution since she was just 11, authorities said.
During the sting operations across 57 U.S. cities - including Atlanta, Sacramento and Toledo, Ohio - 104 alleged pimps were arrested.
It is estimated that "100,000 children are victims of prostitution and trafficking each year (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2165051/FBI-rescues-79-child-sex-slaves-hotels-truck-stops-massive-day-raid-country.html)" in the United States.

Are you starting to get the picture?

Sadly, there are dozens and dozens more examples like these. If you want to see more examples of how the collapse of America is speeding up, check out these articles that I recently published....

"70 Reasons To Mourn For America (http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/70-reasons-to-mourn-for-america)"

"20 Signs That Society Is Breaking Down And That America Has Been Overrun By Psychos (http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/20-signs-that-society-is-beaking-down-and-that-america-has-been-overrun-by-psychos)"

The frightening thing is that this breakdown of our society is happening at the same time that our economy is completely falling to pieces (http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/22-statistics-that-prove-that-the-american-dream-is-being-systematically-destroyed).

This economic decline (http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/america-in-decline-the-soul-crushing-despair-of-lowered-expectations) that we are experiencing is shredding the middle class (http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/25-signs-that-middle-class-families-have-been-targeted-for-extinction) and it is plunging millions of Americans into very desperate circumstances. The following is a brief excerpt from a recent Rolling Stone article (http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/the-sharp-sudden-decline-of-americas-middle-class-20120622)....

Every night around nine, Janis Adkins falls asleep in the back of her Toyota Sienna van in a church parking lot at the edge of Santa Barbara, California. On the van’s roof is a black Yakima SpaceBooster, full of previous-life belongings like a snorkel and fins and camping gear. Adkins, who is 56 years old, parks the van at the lot’s remotest corner, aligning its side with a row of dense, shading avocado trees. The trees provide privacy, but they are also useful because she can pick their fallen fruit, and she doesn’t always­ have enough to eat. Despite a continuous, two-year job search, she remains without dependable work. She says she doesn’t need to eat much – if she gets a decent hot meal in the morning, she can get by for the rest of the day on a piece of fruit or bulk-purchased almonds – but food stamps supply only a fraction of her nutritional needs, so foraging opportunities are welcome.

Prior to the Great Recession, Adkins owned and ran a successful plant nursery in Moab, Utah. At its peak, it was grossing $300,000 a year. She had never before been unemployed – she’d worked for 40 years, through three major recessions.
You can read the rest of the article right here (http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/the-sharp-sudden-decline-of-americas-middle-class-20120622).

What would you do if you were in a similar situation?

Sadly, many more Americans will end up just like her. As I wrote about the other day (http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/there-will-never-be-enough-jobs-in-america-again), the U.S. economy is not going to be able to produce enough jobs for everyone anymore. In fact, the overall employment picture is going to keep getting worse for working Americans.

Things have gotten so bad that even many very highly educated scientists (http://www.businessinsider.com/even-scientists-cant-find-jobs-in-america-today-2012-7) cannot find jobs in America right now. Almost everybody is hurting, and we haven't even gotten to the next wave of the economic collapse yet.

The next time that there is a major spike in the unemployment rate, millions of Americans will lose all hope and will become very desperate.

And desperate people do desperate things.

The rot and decay that we are witnessing right now is just the beginning.
Things are going to get a lot worse.

So let us hope for the best, but let us also prepare for the worst.


http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/The-Future-Of-America-photo-by-katie-chao-and-ben-muessig-440x275.jpg (http://thisistheendoftheworldasweknowit.com/)

[Rocky_Shorz]

the drought has already hit the Corn yield by 17%, gas is getting cheaper, as a society we should have a vote to save food for people and animals, not to burn in cars...

[noxon medem]

United States ( a joke ? )
USA have alot of unrattled skeletons
in the closed , 11.september 2001 is
not the only one ...

If something smells rotten, have a look
around in your house .

And Be Well, All .

nm

[Bill Ryan]

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[LarryC]

<< 25 Signs The Collapse Of America Is Speeding Up As Society Rots From The Inside Out >>

This whole thread is taking on a "Post Your Worst, Scariest Doom-And-Gloom Scenario" feel, but the above is a perfect example of how you can pick and choose what to pay attention to. Picking out violent and shocking incidents that have occurred around the country doesn't really tell us anything, and it's the typical tactic used by the mainstream media. The TV news, for those smart enough to avoid it, always starts out with a story about a fire, accident or violent crime.

As for the various cataclysmic possibilities, I find it interesting how people who demand rock solid proof when it comes to good things happening seem eager to embrace the word of every supposed whistleblower who promises something horrific.

I cannot deny the possibility of catastrophe, but I don't focus on it as a rule. Our present 3D existence is mortal by definition, so if I end up dying because of a mega earthquake or tsunami, a collision with Planet X, at the hands of cloned NWO soldiers or the poles shifting rather than in a car crash or by some commonplace disease, so be it. Our real existence transcends our bodies, and to devote ones life to focusing on worst case scenarios seems like a waste.

[Cidersomerset]

The Corn Is Dying All Over America


http://www.thedailysheeple.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/evansvilleIND1.jpg



All over America the corn is dying. If drought conditions persist in the middle part of the country, wheat and soybeans will be next. Weeks of intense heat combined with extraordinarily dry conditions have brought many U.S. corn farmers to the brink of total disaster. If there is not significant rainfall soon, many farmers will be financially ruined. This period of time is particularly important for corn because this is when pollination is supposed to happen. But the unprecedented heat and the extremely dry conditions are playing havoc with that process. With each passing day things get even worse. We have seen the price of a bushel of corn soar 41 percent since June 14th. That is an astounding rise. You may not eat much corn directly, but it is important to realize that corn or corn syrup is just about in everything these days. Just look at your food labels. In the United States today, approximately 75 percent of all processed foods contain corn. So a huge rise in the price of corn is going to be felt all over the supermarket. Corn is also widely used to feed livestock, and if this crisis continues we are going to see a significant rise in meat and dairy prices as well. Food prices in America have already been rising at a steady pace, and so this is definitely not welcome news.

The weather conditions in the middle part of the country during the last couple of months have been highly unusual. The following is from a recent article in the Los Angeles Times....

http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/the-corn-is-dying-all-over-america

I saw this article yesterday

http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/US-Drought-Monitor-July-2012.png

Its ironic we are going thru the wettest 'drought' in history over here !!

Is it just wierd weather or is something else going on ?

[Fred Steeves]

25 Signs The Collapse Of America Is Speeding Up As Society Rots From The Inside Out



This is true, America is imploding. I expect when she finally goes down, she will go down very hard. This is certainly not the time for faint hearts and wobbly knees. It may get very messy, and I don't look forward to it.

There is also an undercurrent of energy flowing, like a Zero Point energy. It is an ancient, and long dormant energy. I maintain that this energy, and I'm sure many of you can "feel" it, is the underpinning of what we know as reality.

These big bad people with their space ships, secret bases, and fortified hideaways, tremble at the very thought of this.

The Natural Law of the universe is based on allowance, not force. I'm telling you right now, this NWO cannot be fought, and it cannot be outplanned, this fails every time it's tried. That's employing force, and force is their game, it's their baby. Either we tap into this undercurrent of Energy, and Allow for the highest possible outcome, or folks, we're going for another spin on the old merry go round.

Fred's idle thoughts on this rainy Florida evening anyway. http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/images/smilies/newadditions/smile.gif

Cheers Bill, and Cheers All,
Fred

[mattymoto]

Have you noticed on a clear day the sky looks a bit different I see small points of bright white light in the sky. Not cosmic rays (streaks) it is something else a can't quite put my finger on it.



Its been difficult to see any blue sky over here for the last few months with all the rain and clouds.....I have noticed less chemtrails since Christmas overall, but difficult to confirm
because of the cloud cover...I have not noticed the streaks but thats not to say they are not there...


This Fair Lady we are a part of, and living on, is going to have the final say in this matter. She's the insider who I'm paying attention to, so therefore, as the Hopi prophecy states: "This can be a good time".

Cheers All,
Fred

This is supposed to be a great time !! ....Out of the ashes the Phoenix rises !!


12:21PM BST 15 Jun 2009


http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01423/crop_1423732c.jpg




Phoenix crop circle may predict end of the world

Crop circle experts believe the latest pattern to be discovered, a phoenix rising from the flames in Wiltshire, may give a warning about the end of the world.


The 400-foot design was discovered in a barley field in Yatesbury near Devizes and depicts the mythical phoenix reborn as it rises from the ashes.


Investigators claim more formations are referencing the possibility of a cataclysmic event occurring on December 21, 2012, which coincides with the end of the ancient Mayan calendar.


The Mayans believed civilisation exists within a series of earth cycles of 144,000 days each with the 13th expiring in December 2012, resulting in Armageddon.


Crop circle enthusiast Karen Alexander, from Gosport, Hants, said: "The phoenix is a mythical creature which symbolises rebirth and a new era in many cultures across the world.


"Within the crop circle community many believe the designs are constantly referring to December 21 and its aftermath.


http://www.rumormillnews.com/pix5/Yatesbury2LS_01.jpg

"This could be interpreted as the human race or earth rising again after a monumental event.

"The patterns are becoming more intricate with every find and it is exciting to think how they are going to evolve by the time we get to 2012."

Recent crop circles have included giant jelly-fish and one image discovered in Wiltshire in June which experts dubbed the most 'mind boggling' they had ever come across.

The formation, measuring 150ft in diameter, is apparently a coded image representing the first 10 digits, 3.141592654, of pi.

The 400-foot design was discovered in a barley field in Yatesbury near Devizes and depicts the mythical phoenix reborn as it rises from the ashes.


Investigators claim more formations are referencing the possibility of a cataclysmic event occurring on December 21, 2012, which coincides with the end of the ancient Mayan calendar.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/5540634/Phoenix-crop-circle-may-predict-end-of-the-world.html

This CC looks a little to creepily familiar to the Nazi eagle to me. Cue the eerie music.

[Cidersomerset]

Yeh it does a bit....There was some speculation it might represent a Sumarian zoroaster symble !!

[mattymoto]

I would suggest to the investigation that these are "cabal" symbols. I feel that the origins of said cabal go back thousands of years.

[Wind]

People should remember that this is not about survival. That's what the cabal believes.

It's about evolution.

[Cidersomerset]

People should remember that this is not about survival. That's what the cabal believes.

It's about evolution.

Thats exactly what ion material is all about , we will soon find out if there is anytruth to all this
speculation....In the meantime this is much better than watching soaps & MSM
programming.....& more educational.... imho...LOL..

[greybeard]

People should remember that this is not about survival. That's what the cabal believes.

It's about evolution.

Yes about changing the mind to focus on what's really important.
Your "personal" vibration is all important.
In raising your own consciousness you do every one a favour as it raises the collective.
It is all about evolution of consciousness.
In or out of body---alive or so called dead we will survive.
The information in the thread is good but when you know you are not the body its not scary its just of interest.

Chris

[Beren]

Yep the fear mode of hoarding in order to preserve body...
What good is to preserve body in a possible desolate world???

Controllers want this game so badly ,the game of fear so whoever buy their spoil, then they will "dine together in hell " (just a quick paraphrase of Leonidas and his words from 300)...

This is why Christ`s original message is so radical and unacceptable to many... Either you choose higher reality or bath in mire and blood through your Earthly existence in primitive conscience world.
It was never about the things we were told ,it was always about being united with Creator of life in this holy conscience of higher purpose, powers and existence.

Knowledge that body isn`t the pinnacle of life...just one part of the experience...

[Christine]

I cannot deny the possibility of catastrophe, but I don't focus on it as a rule. Our resent 3D existence is mortal by definition, so if I end up dying because of a mega earthquake or tsunami, a collision with Planet X, at the hands of cloned NWO soldiers or the poles shifting rather than in a car crash or by some commonplace disease, so be it. Our real existence transcends our bodies, and to devote ones life to focusing on worst case scenarios seems like a waste.

Hello Larry,

From another point of view which I am sure you will understand. It is a question of balance of perceptions and perhaps better said a fullness of perception. If we do not call these events out into the open "they" go quietly about the business of destruction. It is only by confronting our reality, here and now, and the act of doing that will make a difference to the greater collective.

The "I'm going to die anyway" attitude does not help. Yes, our REAL existence does transcend our body but have you considered that the dark forces we are dealing with are so evil that they want to take away or destroy THAT existence? Our immortal eternal existence. There is so much we do not know.

The beauty and benefit of this forum is the collection of thoughts, ideas and intelligence that is seeking to see the whole (holistic, holographic) picture. We are all adding to this every time we post.

I know we can become demoralized and some time just plain lazy with our thoughts and beliefs. It is work to be on the front line of consciousness and we still have lots of ground to cover. Question all beliefs... we are mining for gold.

Thanks for listening.

La Tigra

[Daughter of Time]

Yep the fear mode of hoarding in order to preserve body...
What good is to preserve body in a possible desolate world???

Controllers want this game so badly ,the game of fear so whoever buy their spoil, then they will "dine together in hell " (just a quick paraphrase of Leonidas and his words from 300)...

This is why Christ`s original message is so radical and unacceptable to many... Either you choose higher reality or bath in mire and blood through your Earthly existence in primitive conscience world.
It was never about the things we were told ,it was always about being united with Creator of life in this holy conscience of higher purpose, powers and existence.

Knowledge that body isn`t the pinnacle of life...just one part of the experience...

I'm not disagreeing with what Beren expresses here. However, for me it's not so much about the body, for we all know the body must die sooner or later. I feel there's a much larger issue at stake.

If millions or billions of people were to die in a major catastrophe, most of them would die in utter terror. What happens to a being when they die in a state of terror? What types of entities are created in such a state?

The harvesting of these frightened souls by "them" is the thought that concerns me the most.

[Christine]

Yep the fear mode of hoarding in order to preserve body...
What good is to preserve body in a possible desolate world???

Controllers want this game so badly ,the game of fear so whoever buy their spoil, then they will "dine together in hell " (just a quick paraphrase of Leonidas and his words from 300)...

This is why Christ`s original message is so radical and unacceptable to many... Either you choose higher reality or bath in mire and blood through your Earthly existence in primitive conscience world.
It was never about the things we were told ,it was always about being united with Creator of life in this holy conscience of higher purpose, powers and existence.

Knowledge that body isn`t the pinnacle of life...just one part of the experience...

No the body is not the pinnacle of life... and yet we all have one.

When you say that the message of Christ was simply that we have choice you are only stating a semi-truth. He was persecuted for trying to get the message out to the masses. His mission and message was to help humanity wake up and remember their origins and return to their "place in heaven".

Our current history is that force of the whole cabal is directed at keeping us from discovering and obtaining that knowledge. If it were a simple choice we would not be where we are today. It is a type of arrogance to say that we either choose another reality or wallow in the mire... it leaves out so many realities.

I do not feel fear in this thread - hard shocking information yes.

If it provokes any one of us to further action, further thought, further investigation, further consciousness then we are one step closer to changing our collective world.

La Tigra

[Bill Ryan]

I do not feel fear in this thread - hard shocking information yes.

If it provokes any one of us to further action, further thought, further investigation, further consciousness then we are one step closer to changing our collective world.

La Tigra

Right -- this is exactly the point.

[MiguelQ]

If elites go to bunker, then, they get saved.. correct
But what is the after-event? Assuming the outside will go wild and crazy, and many will die.. assume everyone dies...
then, when they return, if they do, ... whos gonna work for them.. because we people are the slaves, giving them the money to construct such structures..

And i dont assume they dont need money, otherwise they would not need funding and money from us ("the slaves") ... so they must depend on us..
but if they kill us, then, they will be killed after the event because "they are too elite, to become slaves for their on elite members.." since someone has to do the job..

Are they planning to live with 5million habitants or so? will there be a money currency too? thats things i dont see clear...
there must be something missing...

[mahalall]

"when doubts haunt me and i see not one ray of hope on the horizon i turn to Bhagavad-gita and i begin to smile" Mohandas.K. Gandhi.

A wry smile arises,

Chapter Ten, "The Opulence of the Absolute" Text 29

"Of the many-hooded Nagas I am Ananta, and among the aquatics i am the demi-god Varuna. Of the departed ancesters I am Aryama, and among the dispensers of the law I am Yama, the lord of death"

Swami Prabhupada's purport to this vedic translation,

"There is also a planet of Pitas, ancesters, presided over by aryama, who represents krsna. There are many living entities who give punishment to the miscreants, and among them Yama is the chief. Yama is situated in a planet near this earthly planet. After death those who are very sinful are taken there, and Yama arranges different kinds of punishment for them"

Seems like the cabal will visiting their actions at the feet of lord Yama.

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His Divine Grace A.C Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada (1990) Bhagavad-Gita, As It Is.

[Christine]

If elites go to bunker, then, they get saved.. correct
But what is the after-event? Assuming the outside will go wild and crazy, and many will die.. assume everyone dies...
then, when they return, if they do, ... whos gonna work for them.. because we people are the slaves, giving them the money to construct such structures..

And i dont assume they dont need money, otherwise they would not need funding and money from us ("the slaves") ... so they must depend on us..
but if they kill us, then, they will be killed after the event because "they are too elite, to become slaves for their on elite members.." since someone has to do the job..

Are they planning to live with 5million habitants or so? will there be a money currency too? thats things i dont see clear...
there must be something missing...

Hi MiguelQ,

These are a good questions. I would guess that many if not close to all of the supposed "elite" are blinded by their own egos. They are unconscious beings acting in accord with a lie. I am sure that most of them have been brained washed, mind controlled and implanted. They have been fooled into playing their hand in a nefarious game and are too stupid to see that the very same mechanisms that they are using will be turned against them.

This is a game beyond our human comprehension, that is why the act of revealing all these manipulators will make a difference, once we have seen behind the scenes we can't be so easily fooled or fool ourselves.

La Tigra

[Jeffrey]

Here is an exerpt from a Q & A with NASA Solar Physicists found here (http://helios.gsfc.nasa.gov/qa_sun.html).





Weakened Heliosphere and Global Warming

A recent article mentioned that the heliosphere has been weakening for the past 25 years. Could such weakening allow more interstellar energy to arrive at the Earth? Could it be a cause of global warming?

It is true that the heliosphere has been weakening in the past 25 years. According to the Ulysses observations, the solar wind pressure had decreased by 20%, which indeed will allow more galactic cosmic rays (GCRs) to enter our Solar System. However, I don't expect the radiation carried by the extra GCRs to contribute much to the climate. Instead, they are just more likely than usual to disrupt electrical equipment, damage satellites, and potentially harm life on Earth.

A side note: The current weakening of the solar wind pressure may be natural variations that will stabilize over time. Actually, we are in a stretched solar minimum, and this could either be temporary or abnormal. It is still hard to say now.

Pin Wu (October 2008)

[Jeffrey]

NASA IBEX Science Update

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[Jeffrey]

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Knot in the Ribbon at the Edge of the Solar System 'Unties'


ScienceDaily (Sep. 30, 2010) — The unusual "knot" in the bright, narrow ribbon of neutral atoms emanating in from the boundary between our solar system and interstellar space appears to have "untied," according to a paper published online in the Journal of Geophysical Research.

Researchers believe the ribbon, first revealed in maps produced by NASA's Interstellar Boundary Explorer (IBEX) spacecraft, forms in response to interactions between interstellar space and the heliosphere, the protective bubble in which the Earth and other planets reside. Sensitive neutral atom detectors aboard IBEX produce global maps of this region every six months.

Analyses of the first map, released last fall, suggest the ribbon is somehow ordered by the direction of the local interstellar magnetic field outside the heliosphere, influencing the structure of the heliosphere more than researchers had previously believed. The knot feature seen in the northern portion of the ribbon in the first map stood apart from the rest of the ribbon as the brightest feature at higher energies.

While the second map, released publicly with the just-published paper, shows the large-scale structure of the ribbon to be generally stable within the six-month period, changes are also apparent. The polar regions of the ribbon display lower emissions and the knot diminishes by as much as a third and appears to "untie" as it spreads out to both lower and higher latitudes.

"What we're seeing is the knot pull apart as it spreads across a region of the ribbon," says Dr. David J. McComas, IBEX principal investigator and an assistant vice president at Southwest Research Institute in San Antonio. "To this day the science team can't agree on exactly what causes the knot or the ribbon, but by comparing different sky maps we find the surprising result that the region is changing over relatively short time periods. Now we have to figure out why."

As the IBEX spacecraft gathers a wealth of new information about the dynamic interactions at the edge of the solar system -- the region of space that shields our solar system from the majority of galactic cosmic ray radiation -- the IBEX team continues to study numerous theories about the source of the ribbon and its unusual features

[Jeffrey]

Strange Magnetic Bubbles at the Edge of the Solar System

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[taurad]

If elites go to bunker, then, they get saved.. correct
But what is the after-event? Assuming the outside will go wild and crazy, and many will die.. assume everyone dies...
then, when they return, if they do, ... whos gonna work for them.. because we people are the slaves, giving them the money to construct such structures..

And i dont assume they dont need money, otherwise they would not need funding and money from us ("the slaves") ... so they must depend on us..
but if they kill us, then, they will be killed after the event because "they are too elite, to become slaves for their on elite members.." since someone has to do the job..

Are they planning to live with 5million habitants or so? will there be a money currency too? thats things i dont see clear...
there must be something missing...

Miguel,
my 2 cents on the matter

i think the reason for ditching the rest of the planet's humans is:
technology's already achieved...

the elite is finally "slave independent"

now time to discard 6 billion unbearable creatures...

war takes a looong time to plan, orchestrate and is short lived...smn hits the "wrong" button, they pay too

sicknesses are quite often unsuccessful and incalculable (when i hear of prominent high ranking masons dying of cancer, makes me doubt whether have they really mastered the human genome)...latest viruses were a joke, bird flu and h1nx got a serious public riddance

earth catastrophic events is the last weapon...according to a history channel doc 4 -5 years ago, there's been a serious market battle over weather networks in the states...i thought they were joking...apparently weather has been finally mastered as a warfare weapon..."a serious bidder" has bought the weather rights, hence the whole physical weather in the United States is property of a single group of ppl !!!!! no further comment!!!

going back to the "Dutch" interview...i was trying to understand how on earth would the Moon refuge help the elite???!!! the Sun Storm would hit Moon too, and for half the time Moon is [although marginally] closer to the sun...

then i did a little research which shows the Moon's poles are the coldest cribs around here for our cold-hearted boys...to quote from wiki:

MOON: Seasons

The Moon's axial tilt with respect to the Ecliptic is only 1.54°,[81] much less than the 23.44° of the Earth. Because of this, the Moon's solar illumination varies much less with season, and topographical details play a crucial role in seasonal effects.[82] From images taken by Clementine in 1994, it appears that four mountainous regions on the rim of Peary crater at the Moon's north pole remain illuminated for the entire lunar day, creating peaks of eternal light. No such regions exist at the south pole. Similarly, there are places that remain in permanent shadow at the bottoms of many polar craters,[60] and these dark craters are extremely cold: Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter measured the lowest summer temperatures in craters at the southern pole at 35 K (−238 °C),[83] and just 26 K close to the winter solstice in north polar Hermite Crater. This is the coldest temperature in the Solar System ever measured by a spacecraft, colder even than the surface of Pluto.[82]

so maybe, the Moon southern Pole will balance out a SUN Storm way too hot for Earth or elsewhere in the solar system...

after all, they are cold, freezing cold-hearted sons of beaches...

just my 2 cents

cheers all

[Maunagarjana]

Yeh it does a bit....There was some speculation it might represent a Sumarian zoroaster symble !!

No. That design looks nothing like a Zoroastrian symbol. And Zoroastrianism is Persian, not Sumerian.

I find the Phoenix symbol to be pretty comforting, actually. It's a very ancient symbol, perhaps one that goes all the way back to the survivors of the destruction of Atlantis. It represents not only the determination to recover from catastrophe (especially a fiery one like we are discussing), but also could be seen to represent life after death. I'm not sure what the earliest known myths of the Phoenix/Firebird meant to the ancients, I do have some idea what it means to the elites, but that isn't so important to me. This symbol, to me, is the symbol of the our past and the symbol of our future.

http://www.rumormillnews.com/pix5/Yatesbury2LS_01.jpg

We have proven over millenia that we are a very durable and resourceful race. I believe, given time, we can overcome anything, as long as the planet can still support life. The real question is, can we overcome our selves? Can we as a whole learn to be symbiotic with our environment and cooperative with each other? Can we overcome our conditioning, not only social but the lower aspects of our biological conditioning? This will be put to the test. How we fare will be closely observed, no doubt, and will likely determine how we are viewed and classified by offworlders.

[Jeffrey]

PLANETOPHYSICAL STATE OF THE EARTH AND LIFE by Dr. A. N. Dmitriev

Summary Paragraph

Current PlanetoPhysical alterations of the Earth are becoming irreversible. Strong evidence exists that these transformations are being caused by highly charged material and energetic non-uniformity's in anisotropic interstellar space which have broken into the interplanetary area of our Solar System. This "donation" of energy is producing hybrid processes and excited energy states in all planets, as well as the Sun. Effects here on Earth are to be found in the acceleration of the magnetic pole shift, in the vertical and horizontal ozone content distribution, and in the increased frequency and magnitude of significant catastrophic climatic events. There is growing probability that we are moving into a rapid temperature instability period similar to the one that took place 10,000 years ago. The adaptive responses of the biosphere, and humanity, to these new conditions may lead to a total global revision of the range of species and life on Earth. It is only through a deep understanding of the fundamental changes taking place in the natural environment surrounding us that politicians, and citizens a like, will be able to achieve balance with the renewing flow of PlanetoPhysical states and processes.

INTRODUCTION

Current, in process, geological, geophysical, and climatical alterations of the Earth are becoming more, and more, irreversible. At the present time researchers are revealing some of the causes which are leading to a general reorganization of the electro-magnetosphere (the electromagnetic skeleton) of our planet, and of its climatic machinery. A greater number of specialists in climatology, geophysics, planetophysics, and heliophysics are tending towards a cosmic causative sequence version for what is happening. Indeed, events of the last decade give strong evidence of unusually significant heliospheric and planetophysic transformations [1,2]. Given the quality, quantity, and scale of these transformations we may say that:

The climatic and biosphere processes here on Earth (through a tightly connected feedback system) are directly impacted by, and linked back to, the general overall transformational processes taking place in our Solar System. We must begin to organize our attention and thinking to understand that climatic changes on Earth are only one part, or link, in a whole chain of events taking place in our Heliosphere.

These deep physical processes, these new qualities of our physical and geological environment, will impose special adaptive challenges and requirements for all life forms on Earth. Considering the problems of adaptation our biosphere will have with these new physical conditions on Earth, we need to distinguish the general tendency and nature of the changes. As we will show below,these tendencies may be traced in the direction of planet energy capacity growth (capacitance), which is leading to a highly excited or charged state of some of Earth's systems.The most intense transformations are taking place in the planetary gas-plasma envelopes to which the productive possibilities of our biosphere are timed. Currently this new scenario of excess energy run-off is being formed, and observed:

In the ionosphere by plasma generation.

In the magnetosphere by magnetic storms.

In the atmosphere by cyclones.

This high-energy atmospheric phenomena, which was rare in the past, is now becoming more frequent, intense, and changed in its nature. The material composition of the gas-plasma envelope is also being transformed.

It is quite natural for the whole biota of the Earth to be subjected to these changing conditions of the electromagnetic field, and to the significant deep alterations of Earth's climatic machinery. These fundamental processes of change create a demand within all of Earth's life organisms for new forms of adaptation. The natural development of these new forms may lead to a total global revision of the range of species, and life, on Earth . New deeper qualities of life itself may come forth, bringing the new physical state of the Earth to an equilibrium with the new organismic possibilities of development, reproduction, and perfection. In this sense it is evident that we are faced with a problem of the adaptation of humanity to this new state of the Earth; new conditions on Earth whose biospheric qualities are varying, and non-uniformly distributed. Therefore the current period of transformation is transient, and the transition of life's representatives to the future may take place only after a deep evaluation of what it will take to comply with these new Earthly biospheric conditions. Each living representative on Earth will be getting a thorough "examination," or "quality control inspection," to determine it's ability to comply with these new conditions. These evolutionary challenges always require effort, or endurance, be it individual organisms, species, or communities. Therefore, it is not only the climate that is becoming new, but we as human beings are experiencing a global change in the vital processes of living organisms, or life itself; which is yet another link in the total process. We cannot treat such things separately, or individually.

1.0 TRANSFORMATION OF THE SOLAR SYSTEM (http://tmgnow.com/repository/global/planetophysical1.html)

2.0 THE EARTH REORGANIZATION PROCESSES (http://tmgnow.com/repository/global/planetophysical2.html)

3.0 THE ARRIVAL OF NEW CONDITIONS AND CONSEQUENCES (http://tmgnow.com/repository/global/planetophysical3.html)

CONCLUSIONS

The situation that has been created here in our Heliosphere is of external, Interstellar, cosmic space origin,and is herein assumed to be caused by the underlying fundamental auto-oscillation, space-physical, processes of continuous creation that has shaped, and continues to evolve our Universe. The present excited state of our Heliosphere exists within the whole, or entire, organism that makes up the Solar System; the Sun, Planets, Moons, Comets, and Asteroids, as well as the plasmas, and/or electromagnetic mediums, and structures, of Interplanetary Space. The response to these Interstellar energy and matter injections into our Heliosphere has been, and continues to be, a series of newly observed energetic processes and formations on all of the Planets; between the Planets and their Moons, and the Planets and the Sun.

Earth's ability to adapt to these external actions and transference's is aggravated, made more difficult, by the technogeneous alterations we have made to the natural quality, or state, of our geological-geophysical environment. Our Planet Earth is now in the process of a dramatic transformation;by altering the electromagnetic skeleton through a shift of the geomagnetic field poles, and through compositional changes in the ozone, and hydrogen, saturation levels of its gas-plasma envelopes. These changes in the Earth's physical state are being accompanied by resultant climatic/atmospheric, and biospheric, adaptation processes. These processes are becoming more and more intense, and frequent, as evidenced by the real time increase in "non-periodic transient events"; ie., catastrophes. There are reasons favoring, or pointing to, the fact that a growth in the ethical, or spiritual quality, of humanity would decrease the number and intensity of complex catastrophes. It has become vitally important that a world chart be prepared setting forth the favorable, and the catastrophic, regions on Earth taking into account the quality of the geologic-geophysical environment, the variety and intensity of cosmic influences, and the real level of spiritual-ethical development of the people occupying those areas.

It is reasonable to point out that our Planet will soon be experiencing these new conditions of growing energy signifying the transition into a new state and quality of Space-Earth relationship. The living organisms of those regions of Earth having the major "inlets", or attractions, for cosmic influences will be taking the lead in evolving life's appropriate reactions, or processes, to these new conditions. These zones of vertical commutations and energy transfers are already becoming the heart, or hotbeds, in the search for new systems of adaptation and mutual transformation. The general list of these zones includes the polar regions, the eastern continental extremities of the equatorial regions [Caribbean, Madagascar, Philippines, Yellow Sea, etc.], and the inner continental zones tending to folding and uplifting [Himalayas, Pamir-Hindukush, Altay-Sayan systems, etc.]

The most significant of these areas are the helio-sensitive zones which have intense responses to geoeffective solar activities [Note #1]; responses that include the very dramatic and unusual manifestation of non-homogeneous vacuum, or classical non-mechanical ether, domain structures. These structures, or objects, then interact with the heliosensitive zones producing deep and powerful effects upon the environment such as the alteration of seismic activities, and chemical compositions. Because these non-homogeneous vacuum domain objects display not-of-this-physical-world characteristics such as "liquid light" and "non-Newtonian movement" it is difficult not to describe their manifestations as being "interworld processes". It is important to note that those heliosensitive zones that exhibit middle and large scale processes are also those that are closely associated with these "interworld processes" produced by physical vacuum homogeneity disturbances.

Such disturbances cause, and create, energy and matter transfer processes between the ether media and our three-dimensional world. The multitude of such phenomena, which is rich in it's quality and variety, is already growing quickly. Hundreds of thousands of these natural self-luminous formations are exerting a increasing influence upon Earth's geophysic fields and biosphere. We suggest that the presence of these formations is the mainstream precedent to the transformation of Earth;an Earth which becomes more and more subject to the transitional physical processes which exist within the borderland between the physical vacuum and our material world.

All of this places humanity, and each one of us, squarely in front of a very difficult and topical problem; the creation of a revolutionary advancement in knowledge which will require a transformation of our thinking and being equal to this never-before-seen phenomena now presencing itself in our world. There is no other path to the future than a profound internal experiential perception and knowledge of the events now underway in the natural environment that surrounds us. It is only through this understanding that humanity will achieve balance with the renewing flow of the PlanetoPhysical States and Processes.

Source: http://tmgnow.com/repository/global/planetophysical.html

[Jeffrey]

Cosmic Cloud Could Burst Earth's 'Breathing Bubble,' New Computer Simulation Shows

ScienceDaily (June 2, 1998)

BOSTON, MASS. -- A colorful new computer animation--created by Gary P. Zank of the Bartol Research Institute at the University of Delaware--shows how even a small cosmic cloud could suddenly burst the "breathing bubble" that protects life on our planet.

The simulation, presented May 28 during the American Geophysical Union's Spring meeting, also should help guide the spacecraft, Voyager 1 and Voyager 2, through a series of shock waves and a massive "wall" in space nearly two decades from now, says Zank, an associate professor at Bartol and a leading theoretical astrophysicist.

Ongoing studies of Earth's "cocoon" might someday reveal whether close encounters with cosmic clouds cause periodic extinctions, according to Zank, who earned a National Science Foundation Presidential Young Investigator Award in 1993 and a Zeldovich Medal in 1996.

"We're surrounded by hot gas," Zank notes. "As our sun moves through extremely 'empty' or low-density interstellar space, the solar wind produces a protective bubble --the heliosphere around our solar system, which allows life to flourish on Earth. Unfortunately, we could bump into a small cloud at any time, and we probably won't see it coming. Without the heliosphere, neutral hydrogen would interact with our atmosphere, possibly producing catastrophic climate changes, while our exposure to deadly cosmic radiation in the form of very high-energy cosmic rays would increase."

Zank's startling computer simulations were initially developed to support the Voyager spacecraft, deployed as part of the Voyager Interstellar Mission. Even as the sun rolls freely through wide-open space, he explains, the Earth's ever-changing bubble generates shock waves and an enormous wall of hydrogen gas. The wall, he says, will sweep past Voyager 1 around 2015--several years later than previously estimated.

Rather like a lung, the heliospheric bubble breathes, but in a highly arythmic fashion, because of an 11-year periodic cycle of solar wind properties. By simulating this breathing bubble, Zank says, he can predict the location of the boundary between the solar wind and the vast interstellar medium of space, which should help the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) prepare Voyager 1. The battery-operated vehicle is running out of power, Zank notes. To make the most of its instruments, NASA researchers must conserve energy, by switching systems on and off.

Rowdy Space Clouds

Every 66 million years or so, the solar system traces a regular path through the galaxy, oscillating up and down as it sails through "all sorts of environments," Zank reports. Over the past 5 million years, he says, "We've had incredibly smooth sailing" because the sun was lolling through an interstellar medium containing less than one atom per cubic inch of space. That's empty space, indeed: Even wispy clouds are 100 times more dense. Currently, Zank says, the solar system is in a region of space containing between 3 and 4 particles per cubic inch.

"Space," Zank notes, "is full of clouds." One particularly troublesome cloud region, located in a star-forming region towards the Aquila Rift, clearly is headed our way, according to Zank. Pushed by galactic wind, the cloud may collide with Earth's protective bubble within the next 50,000 years, he says, and some researchers think we could encounter fluffier knots of gas--containing 10 to 100 particles per cubic inch of space--far sooner. Our immediate or local interstellar environment is chock-full of gas clusters known as the Local Fluff, Zank points out, and existing instruments aren't sensitive enough to detect extremely small clouds. Consequently, Zank says, "We won't know that our heliosphere is collapsing until we see highly elevated levels of neutral hydrogen and cosmic rays, and a hydrogen wall in the vicinity of the outer planets."

Did a rogue cloud wipe out the dinosaurs? In 1939, British cosmologist Sir Fred Hoyle suggested that cosmic collisions with clouds may obliterate the heliosphere every now and then. Zank agrees. "The protective solar wind would be extinguished, and cosmic radiation might lead to gene mutations," he says. "Hydrogen would bombard Earth, producing increased cloud cover, leading perhaps to global warming, or extreme amounts of precipitation and ice ages. We can't predict every scenario at this point."

A Bon Voyage for Voyagers 1 and 2?

Using powerful new number-crunching computers at Bartol, as well as systems at national supercomputing centers, Zank created two animations to show the heliosphere in empty space some 5 million years ago, and in a dense cloud containing 10 particles per cubic inch.

In clear space, the sun blows solar wind at supersonic speeds, thereby creating the heliosphere, which Zank describes as "a funny, bullet-shaped bubble." When the interstellar medium crashes into this bubble, he explains, "it suddenly veers upward and around, like water flowing around a rock in the river." The result, he says, is a systerm of massive shock waves and a hydrogen wall, which could be 50 times thicker than the distance between the Earth and the sun.

Undisturbed by clouds, the heliosphere appears to take a breath every 11 years, as fluctuations in solar-wind speeds produce a gentle, arhythmic motion, Zank says. Flowing outward, shock waves push the wall and interstellar boundaries farther into space until at last they break and wane, allowing the boundary to contract. This shifting region between the heliosphere and its boundary may filter hydrogen through a process known as "charge exchange," in which neutral hydrogen and charged particles swap an electron, and so, change identities.

Earth's protective bubble seems to gasp spasmodically in a dense cloud, so that it collapses and reforms every 331 days, Zank says. The weight of neutral hydrogen, pressing down on the lighter solar wind, "would drive great rollups of instability," he says. "This well-defined heliosphere structure would disappear and reappear, at times obliterating the hydrogen-filtering region."

Understanding Cosmic Evolution

Zank's colorful images aren't likely to help us avoid a cloud collision, but they may spark a new appreciation for life. On Earth, he says, "These days, and the last 5 to 10 millioin years, have been extremely benign, in an astrophysical sense, and we need to make the most of them, by learning all we can about this cocoon in which we live." Moreover, Zank says, "We can't predict our future until we understand our cosmic evolutionary history."

The new Bartol simulations were obtained by solving an extremely complicated, highly nonlinear system of coupled equations. First, Zank assembled key information about conditions in interstellar space, such as the speed, density and temperature, measured by instruments on the spacecraft, Ulysses, and extrapolated from telescope data. Then, he used that information in his equations, which were fed into computers, along with a second data set describing conditions closer to Earth. Zank's research was supported by the National Science Foundation and NASA.

Source: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1998/06/980602080449.htm

[Houman]

They knew this back in 1978. See
http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1978ApJ...223..589V

"Is the Solar System Entering a Nearby Interstellar Cloud?" (The astrophysical Journal, 1978)

..."The presence of a nearby cloud might also affect the physical conditions inside the solar system...an encounter with a cloud might not only affect neutrino flux release from the Sun but also have some drastic influence on the terrestrial climate in the next 10,000 years...The observations and analyses mentioned here suggest the presence of a very close interstellar cloud which should encounter the solar system in the "near" future. However, the complexity of the interstellar medium is not completely understood, it would not be surprising if the situation is far more complicated than indicated in this paper..."



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I'm listening now to Lawrence E Joseph (http://lawrenceejoseph.com), linked earlier on this thread. Highly recommended.

I knew of Joseph's work a couple of years ago, but had never heard him speak. He's grounded, sensitive, and highly intelligent. I got to be impressed.

Start at 5:28 on video #3 below.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=s30TGJP7hrQ


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s30TGJP7hrQ

The accompanying YouTube text:






http://SolarStormWarning.com - The following information is paramount and should not be taken lightly. The alarming news was aired July 14, 2010 which now explains why NASA, along with The National Academy of Science and other world renowned scientist are all very concerned about the coming 2012-2013 solar maximum. On March 10th 2006 NASA issued a solar storm warning for 2012 but omitted telling the general population as to why the warning in their report.

Then in June of 2010, NASA once again warns the world population, but this time around, NASA warns the world community to get ready for a once in a life time solar storm. Other news agencies and websites like this one are reporting on the developing story, however no high government official has stuck their neck out to make an official announcement about the catastrophic implications on a global scale as to allow the general population to prepare.

The scientific data revealed by Alexei Dmitriev further supports NASA's original 2012 solar storm warning issued in 2006.

Astrophysicist Alexei Dmitriev says that both Voyager 1 and Voyager 2 satellites reveal that our sun, as well as our entire solar system, is now moving into an interstellar energy cloud. [Merav] Opher, a NASA Heliophysics Guest Investigator from George Mason University says this interstellar energy cloud is turbulent.

Dmitriev explains that this cloud of energy is exciting the atmospheres of our planets and especially our sun. As this interstellar energy cloud continues to excite/charge the sun, it causes the sun to become more active, resulting in greater output from the sun. IE: Bigger and more frequent solar storms and CME's resulting in the Carrington effect.

This interstellar cloud of electrical energy is also absorbed by the Earth, and scientist have found that it results in more earth quakes, all while dramatically effecting our weather here on earth.

When asked how long will it take our sun to pass through this interstellar energy cloud, Dr. Dmitriev replied, "I don't know. But If I had to guess, I would say somewhere between two thousand to three thousand years." This interstellar cloud is a wispy band of charged particles through which our solar system is slowly moving through.

When Dr. Dmitriev was asked what are the implications of all this for earth he replied, "Global catastrophe! Not in tens of years from now, but in ones of years" ...in that this global catastrophe is basically right around the corner setting the stage for NASA's latest solar storm warning 2012-2013.

Dr. Dmitriev is talking about the Carrington Effect, which can knock out electrical power and all modern forms of communications world wide for months on end, even years. When that happens, global anarchy and mass looting will soon begin as the food chain will become paralyzed/crippled in modern countries, while water shortages will quickly become a threat to our very survival because electricity is what runs the pumps that gets the water to our homes and offices.

If you are not prepared to be self sufficient for one to two years, then you and your family will be at risk of dehydration and starvation during a time when drinking water, food and toilet paper will be more valuable then money itself.

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http://Solar-Storm-Warning.com

[another bob]

Suppose yourself gazing on a gorgeous sunset. The whole western heavens are glowing with roseate hues; but you are aware that within half an hour all these glorious tints will have faded away into a dull ashen gray. You see them even now melting away before your eyes, although your eyes cannot place before you the conclusion which your reason draws. And what conclusion is that? That conclusion is that you never, even for the shortest time that can be named or conceived, see any abiding color, any color which truly is. Within the millionth part of a second the whole glory of the painted heavens has undergone an incalculable series of mutations. One shade is supplanted by another with a rapidity which sets all measurements at defiance, but because the process is one to which no measurements apply,... reason refuses to lay an arrestment on any period of the passing scene, or to declare that it is, because in the very act of being it is not; it has given place to something else. It is a series of fleeting colors, no one of which is, because each of them continually vanishes in another.

~ Ferrier's Lectures and Remains


Impermanent are all component things,
They arise and cease, that is their nature:
They come into being and pass away,
Release from them is bliss supreme.

~Mahaparinirvana Sutra


:yo:

[doodah]

Hello all,

I've spent a little time reading parts of this thread but not all of it.

I just want to offer a few observations:

1. I am part of a family that has connections through marriage to a high level person in the US govt who will go to the elite bunkers. They do not speak of it to "us," the rest of the family who will not be offered that option. This situation is up close and personal; it divides the family, brother and sister; uncle, aunt, nephew, niece. How do I feel about this? Part of me doesn't care. "They" will survive, maybe, but they are part of the sociopathic portion of the human race that stripped the planet for their personal survival. I'm not so sure I'd want to be down there in those bunkers with those people anyhow, but my niece, who is basically just a nice ordinary person, will go there because of her children, no question.

2. I've just been through 15 days of power, telephone, and internet outage on the east coast of the US. This is the result of a land hurricane we suffered through on July 6th, what they called a "wind storm." It was more like a hurricane without the rain, 80-mile/hour winds. There were trees and power lines down all over the place from the midwest to Tennessee. All of Virginia (where I live), from the northern tip near Washington DC to North Carolina, was involved in this storm. The grid partially went down.

This event was only a small experience of what it's like when the grid goes down. We were in the midst of a heatwave -- 95+ to 105 degrees F for 12 days in a row, no rain. New York City at 94 degrees, Washington DC at 105 F. Thank god the whole grid didn't go down. It went down in random patches. My brother who lives 15 miles from me had full power the whole time, which was extremely fortunate for him and his ailing wife; and for me because I could go there to recuperate from the small case of heatstroke I gave myself the day after the storm when I foolishly attempted to deal with downed trees at my house. I couldn't stay at my house during the daytime hours for 9 days - it was like an oven in there. It was fortunate that the grid was partially working so that cooling centers could be operated. It is also interesting to note that those relatives of mine who will go into the elite bunkers did not make any attempt to find out if I and my brother were okay during or after this event. None of those family members asked if we needed any help.

This was also a small experience of the "have's" and the "have-nots." Some people had electricity and some didn't; some had generators and air conditioning and some didn't; some had ice and water and some didn't. The dividing line in all this is money: those who could afford generators and the gasoline to run them continued their "normal" living conditions, kept their TVs on. But if the grid went all the way down, even that wouldn't get you very far because the folks outside the elite bunkers wouldn't be able to buy the gas to run the generators. Whoever on this thread said that our best preparations can only be somewhat pathetic -- that seems quite correct!

3. I do believe that there is probably some kind of energy weapon being directed at this planet, from offworld or from some other dimension, and that HAARP probably works in conjunction with it. Whether this is part of the sacrifice of the planet, I don't know. I've spent some time asking for help from those "of the light" who tell us we must ask for help. I want that weapon dismantled, that's what I ask for. Why do I think there is a weapon involved? Because when you look at the extraordinary heatwaves that have hit the planet, it's only been one continent per season. Why would that be? Australia, Russia, Europe (France), Greece, now the US and parts of Canada, all have had extraordinary heat events in different years, not all at once. This suggests to me a very selective kind of mechanism at work. It also suggests that they're not killing us directly, but are going about it more from a "destruction of habitat" angle. Now there is talk of famine because of crop failures resulting from the extraordinary heat and drought in the US.

This has been my experience, and I share it with you as part of this thread. My take at the moment is that none of us are going to be able to escape these "tribulations" that the Christians speak of; all of us are going to go through some very stressful physical events of one kind or another. What matters is where we wish to be while going through those events, and who we wish to share those tribulations with.

In the end, as someone here has said, we all "die," but we also know there is no death. Knowing that, let's at least deny the controllers the fear and terror emotions we know they so enjoy.

~ Doodah

[Dennis Leahy]

Suppose yourself gazing on a gorgeous sunset. The whole western heavens are glowing with roseate hues; but you are aware that within half an hour all these glorious tints will have faded away into a dull ashen gray. You see them even now melting away before your eyes, although your eyes cannot place before you the conclusion which your reason draws. And what conclusion is that? That conclusion is that you never, even for the shortest time that can be named or conceived, see any abiding color, any color which truly is. Within the millionth part of a second the whole glory of the painted heavens has undergone an incalculable series of mutations. One shade is supplanted by another with a rapidity which sets all measurements at defiance, but because the process is one to which no measurements apply,... reason refuses to lay an arrestment on any period of the passing scene, or to declare that it is, because in the very act of being it is not; it has given place to something else. It is a series of fleeting colors, no one of which is, because each of them continually vanishes in another.

~ Ferrier's Lectures and Remains


Impermanent are all component things,
They arise and cease, that is their nature:
They come into being and pass away,
Release from them is bliss supreme.

~Mahaparinirvana Sutra


:yo:
Of course, this plucks some strings in my heart, and I know that transitory things - even an individual's human life - should not be the ultimate goal...

...however, there are a LOT of people who believe or strongly suspect we did not incarnate at this time to cultivate 'ordinary mind', but rather that our collective goal is to challenge the pervasive ill-will of the ruling collective.

"Kicking and screaming Buddha" anyone?

Dennis

[Jeffrey]

As the Sun Awakens, NASA Keeps a Wary Eye on Space Weather

by Dr. Tony Phillips

http://www.nswp.gov/images/nswp_image1.jpg

June 4, 2010: Earth and space are about to come into contact in a way that's new to human history. To make preparations, authorities in Washington DC are holding a meeting: The Space Weather Enterprise Forum at the National Press Club on June 8th.

Richard Fisher, head of NASA's Heliophysics Division, explains what it's all about:

"The sun is waking up from a deep slumber, and in the next few years we expect to see much higher levels of solar activity. At the same time, our technological society has developed an unprecedented sensitivity to solar storms. The intersection of these two issues is what we're getting together to discuss."

The National Academy of Sciences framed the problem two years ago in a landmark report entitled "Severe Space Weather Events—Societal and Economic Impacts." It noted how people of the 21st-century rely on high-tech systems for the basics of daily life. Smart power grids, GPS navigation, air travel, financial services and emergency radio communications can all be knocked out by intense solar activity. A century-class solar storm, the Academy warned, could cause twenty times more economic damage than Hurricane Katrina.

Much of the damage can be mitigated if managers know a storm is coming. Putting satellites in 'safe mode' and disconnecting transformers can protect these assets from damaging electrical surges. Preventative action, however, requires accurate forecasting—a job that has been assigned to NOAA.

"Space weather forecasting is still in its infancy, but we're making rapid progress," says Thomas Bogdan, director of NOAA's Space Weather Prediction Center in Boulder, Colorado.

Bogdan sees the collaboration between NASA and NOAA as key. "NASA's fleet of heliophysics research spacecraft provides us with up-to-the-minute information about what's happening on the sun. They are an important complement to our own GOES and POES satellites, which focus more on the near-Earth environment."

Among dozens of NASA spacecraft, he notes three of special significance: STEREO, SDO and ACE.

STEREO (Solar Terrestrial Relations Observatory) is a pair of spacecraft stationed on opposite sides of the sun with a combined view of 90% of the stellar surface. In the past, active sunspots could hide out on the sun's farside, invisible from Earth, and then suddenly emerge over the limb spitting flares and CMEs. STEREO makes such surprise attacks impossible.

SDO (the Solar Dynamics Observatory) is the newest addition to NASA's fleet. Just launched in February, it is able to photograph solar active regions with unprecedented spectral, temporal and spatial resolution. Researchers can now study eruptions in exquisite detail, raising hopes that they will learn how flares work and how to predict them. SDO also monitors the sun's extreme UV output, which controls the response of Earth's atmosphere to solar variability.

Bogdan's favorite NASA satellite, however, is an old one: the Advanced Composition Explorer (ACE) launched in 1997. "Where would we be without it?" he wonders. ACE is a solar wind monitor. It sits upstream between the sun and Earth, detecting solar wind gusts, billion-ton CMEs, and radiation storms as much as 30 minutes before they hit our planet.

"ACE is our best early warning system," says Bogdan. "It allows us to notify utility and satellite operators when a storm is about to hit.”

NASA spacecraft were not originally intended for operational forecasting—"but it turns out that our data have practical economic and civil uses," notes Fisher. "This is a good example of space science supporting modern society."

2010 marks the 4th year in a row that policymakers, researchers, legislators and reporters have gathered in Washington DC to share ideas about space weather. This year, forum organizers plan to sharpen the focus on critical infrastructure protection. The ultimate goal is to improve the nation’s ability to prepare, mitigate, and respond to potentially devastating space weather events.

"I believe we're on the threshold of a new era in which space weather can be as influential in our daily lives as ordinary terrestrial weather." Fisher concludes. "We take this very seriously indeed."

For more information about the meeting, please visit the Space Weather Enterprise Forum home page at http://www.nswp.gov/swef/swef_2010.html

Article Source:

[Maunagarjana]

I was reviewing the Dan Burisch summary:

http://projectcamelot.org/dan_burisch_summary.html

And one thing stood out to me that is more of a commentary on what Burisch and Deacon had to say. I'm speaking of footnote #16:


In and among the complexity of this edifice of challenging information, this may be the single most important thing to grasp: that - see note (9) above - we have free will and full choice at all times. What will happen to us is what we agree will occur... consciously or unconsciously. This is a fundamental metaphysical truth.

We have the gift to be able to choose the fate and welfare of the world and our civilization. A critical mass of agreement is necessary in order to choose what we wish to experience. If we do not want a catastrophe to occur, then this starts with your conscious intent, now.

I don't know if Kerry wrote this or Bill or if they both agreed it was important to say, but I find it to be significant. I suggest people keep this in mind, whether you believe it or not. It doesn't mean you have to delude yourself into the belief that there is no danger and no preparation to do, just take care to set your intentions on the most postive possible outcome every step of the way through the course of events.

[Jeffrey]

Surprise: Solar System "Force Field" Shrinks Fast
NASA craft reveals unexpected unpredictability of our protective bubble.

http://images.nationalgeographic.com/wpf/media-live/photos/000/268/cache/new-ibex-heliosphere-discoveries_26856_600x450.jpg
Shown in a Hubble Space Telescope image, the "astrosphere" around the star L.L.
Orionis approximates the heliosphere around our solar system.

By Graeme Stemp-Morlock for National Geographic News

Published September 30, 2010


It's cold, dusty, and bereft of planets, but the outskirts of our solar system are anything but dull, according to increasing evidence from NASA's Interstellar Boundary Explorer (IBEX) craft.

As charged particles flow out from the sun, they eventually bump up against interstellar medium—the relatively empty areas between stars. These interactions "inflate" a protective bubble that shields Earth and the entire solar system from potentially harmful cosmic rays (solar system pictures (http://science.nationalgeographic.com/science/photos/solar-system-gallery.html)).

Now IBEX has surprised astronomers by showing that this force field-like structure, the heliosphere, is an unexpectedly dynamic, unpredictable boundary.

"If we've learned anything from IBEX so far, it is that the models that we're using for interaction of the solar wind with the galaxy were just dead wrong," David McComas, principal investigator for the IBEX program, said during a NASA press conference Thursday.

Heliosphere Changes Fast

For starters, it's been assumed that the heliosphere's expansion and contraction follows the sun's roughly 11-year activity cycle, during which the flow rate of charged particles, or solar wind, fluctuates.

But when scientists compared IBEX maps of the heliosphere taken just six months apart, the researchers found that it had shrunk to a much greater extent than expected. (See "Sun's Power Hits New Low, May Endanger Earth?" (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/09/080924-solar-wind.html))

This quick shrinkage could be a concern for astronauts, said McComas, of the Southwest research Institute in San Antonio, Texas. That's because, as the heliosphere shrinks, it lets in more cosmic radiation, which can compromise the body's immune system.

(Related: "Solar System Is 'Bullet Shaped." (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/05/070510-solar-system.html))

Among IBEX's other new surprises: a long, mysterious ribbon of uncharged particles found last year (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/10/091015-edge-solar-system-ribbon-ibex.html) that has apparently lost its brightest, most energetic region since its 2009 discovery.

"What we're seeing is the knot pull apart as it spreads across a region of the ribbon," McComas said in a press statement.

"To this day the science team can't agree on exactly what causes the knot or the ribbon, but by comparing different sky maps, we find the surprising result that the region is changing over relatively short time periods. Now we have to figure out why."

IBEX's new cosmic-ribbon findings published September 29 in the Journal of Geophysical Research.

Source: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/09/100930-ibex-heliosphere-solar-system-space-science-knot/

[Jeffrey]

Here's a good article if somebody is up for formatting/pasting it to the thread (there are a lot of links and images).

http://www.kipnews.org/2012/05/12/sun-is-moving-slower-than-thought/

Here's another to pick through: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_solarstorm03.htm

I've got to get some shut eye before my keyboard becomes my pillow.

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc283/mKBy09/Emoticons%20and%20GIFs/sleepy.gif

[Rocky_Shorz]

in all the conversations about the quarantine removal, was anything mentioned about removing our protective barrier?

has it been purposefully weakened to allow the elites to escape?

[another bob]

there are a LOT of people who believe or strongly suspect we did not incarnate at this time to cultivate 'ordinary mind', but rather that our collective goal is to challenge the pervasive ill-will of the ruling collective.

Beliefs are plentiful.

:yo:

[Hervé]

Vivek, believe it or not but I was looking for that article I read a while back and thought "So much for their modeling!" and couldn't find it any more. So thank you for digging it out!


Sun Is Moving Slower Than Thought (http://www.kipnews.org/2012/05/12/sun-is-moving-slower-than-thought/)
Posted: 12th May 2012 by KiPnews


“Shocking” find may redraw picture of solar system’s cosmic shield.


http://images.nationalgeographic.com/wpf/media-live/photos/000/529/overrides/our-star-may-be-slowing-bow-shock_52991_600x450.jpg
The young star LL Ori forms a bow shock as it moves through the Orion Nebula. Image courtesy STScI/AURA/NASA

The sun (http://science.nationalgeographic.com/science/space/solar-system/sun-article/) is moving through the Milky Way (http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2010/12/milky-way/croswell-text) slower than previously thought, according to new data from a NASA spacecraft.

From its orbit around Earth, the Interstellar Boundary Explorer (IBEX) satellite (http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/ibex/index.html) measured the speeds of interstellar particles entering at the fringes of our solar system, 9 billion miles (14.5 billion kilometers) from the sun.

(Related: “‘Alien’ Particles Found Invading Our Solar System—A First.” (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2012/01/120131-alien-particles-matter-nasa-ibex-interstellar-space-science/))

Plugging the new data into computer models, the IBEX team calculates that the sun is moving at about 52,000 miles (83,700 kilometers) an hour—about 7,000 miles (11,000 kilometers) slower than thought.

The discovery suggests that the protective boundary separating our solar system from the rest of the galaxy is missing a bow shock, a major structural component thought to control the influx of high-energy cosmic rays.

(See “New Hubble Videos Show Star Jets in Action.” (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2011/08/pictures/110831-hubble-stars-jets-movies-videos-science-space-nasa-first/))


http://science.nasa.gov/media/medialibrary/2008/01/14/14jan_northpole_resources/swoops_wind_strip.jpg
A Ulysses "clock plot" of solar wind speed vs. latitude reveals a high-speed wind blowing from the sun's poles.

The sun is constantly sending out charged particles in all directions, forming a cocoon around the solar system called the heliosphere.

Like a boat moving through water, it’s long been thought that the “bow” of the heliosphere forms a crescent-shaped shockwave as our solar system plows through the surrounding cloud of interstellar gas. (See “Solar System’s ‘Nose’ Found; Aimed at Constellation Scorpius.” (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2011/04/110407-sun-nose-scorpius-solar-system-nasa-ibex-ribbon-space-science/))

But the new IBEX findings mean the sun is moving so slow that pressure from material flowing around the heliosphere is 25 percent lower than expected—not enough for a bow shock.

Until now, “all the solar system models and theories included a bow shock,” said study leader David McComas (http://science.nasa.gov/science-committee/members/dr-david-j-mccomas/) of the Southwest Research Institute in San Antonio, Texas.

“Having learned for nearly three decades about it, I was literally shocked when we found it was missing.”


http://media.skyandtelescope.com/images/nobowshock_341px_full.jpg
The heliosphere is a magnetic bubble that protects the solar system from interstellar space as the Sun plows its way through the galaxy. For decades, scientists believed that the bubble was moving quickly enough to form a bow shock, but that view has been revised in light of new data from the Interstellar Boundary Explorer (IBEX). Southwest Research Institute


Cosmic-Ray Shielding Key for Life?
The absence of a bow shock is significant, McComas said, because it may indicate that the heliosphere is actually more robust than thought.

With less pressure from outside material, the boundary region isn’t being compressed and therefore weakened as much as expected, which means it should better repel cosmic rays.

(Related: “Solar System ‘Force Field’ Shrinks Fast.” (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/09/100930-ibex-heliosphere-solar-system-space-science-knot/))

And understanding exactly how the heliosphere acts as a gatekeeper for cosmic rays could help scientists evaluate the chances for life on other worlds.

According to McComas, some researchers believe that the cosmic rays that do get through the heliosphere can impact Earth’s climate, because the high-energy particles can ionize—or electrically charge—matter in the atmosphere, leading to heightened cloud formation and lightning generation.

Other experts think the particles could even be related to bursts of evolution or extinction in our planet’s history, because the radiation can influence DNA patterns.
(Also see “Ancient Mass Extinctions Caused by Cosmic Radiation, Scientists Say.” (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/04/070420-extinctions.html))

For now, the science behind how cosmic rays have influenced Earth is quite controversial, said Seth Redfield (http://sredfield.web.wesleyan.edu/), an astronomer from Wesleyan University in Connecticut who was not involved with the new IBEX study.

Still, considering the rays’ expected effects, Redfield said, “it seems obvious to me that there will be scenarios or times when the cosmic-ray flux on a planet is important and having a major influence on the evolution of the planetary atmosphere or even on biological processes on its surface.”

In that case, astronomers assessing the habitability of alien planets may need to start considering not only the chances for liquid water but also the strength of other stars’ protective cocoons, study leader McComas said.

“There is no doubt,” he said, “that questions about cosmic-ray shielding go right to the heart of some really important questions related to life as we know it.”
The slower-sun study appears in this week’s issue of the journal Science (http://www.sciencemag.org/).
source ; http://news.nationalgeographic.com


SWOOPS image of solar wind at solar minimum and solar maximum

http://sci.esa.int/science-e-media/img/ca/lores_33482.jpg
Polar plots of solar wind speed as a function of latitude for Ulysses’ first two orbits.

The solar wind speed data was obtained by the SWOOPS instrument (Solar Wind Observations Over the Poles of the Sun). The bottom panel shows the sunspot number over the period 1992-2003. The first orbit occurred through the solar cycle declining phase and minimum while the second orbit spanned solar maximum.

Both solar wind plots are plotted over solar images characteristic of solar minimum (17 August 1996) and maximum (7 December 2000).

The solar images are composites of (from the center out): the Solar and Heliospheric Observatory (SOHO) Extreme ultraviolet Imaging Telescope (Fe XII at 195 Å), the Mauna Loa K-coronameter (700–950 nm), and the SOHO C2 Large Angle Spectrometric Coronagraph (white light).
source; http://sci.esa.int/


http://www.kipnews.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/sun-speed.jpg (http://www.kipnews.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/sun-speed.jpg)

Posner explains: "Eleven years ago, during a similar 'sea change' between solar cycles, the polar wind spilled down almost all the way to the sun's equator. But this time it is not. The polar wind is bottled up, confined to latitudes above 45 degrees:

IBEX Shows a Slower Sun — And No Bow Shock (http://www.skyandtelescope.com/community/skyblog/newsblog/IBEX-Shows-a-Slower-Sun-150955205.html)
[I]NASA’s Interstellar Boundary Explorer has discovered that the Sun has no bow shock, overturning decades of scientific research.

…So what does the new model look like? IBEX’s observations confirm that the Sun is still moving (albeit slowly) through the Local Interstellar Cloud, a fluff of higher density gas roughly 30 light-years across.

Combined with a relatively strong interstellar magnetic field, the Sun’s slower advance is no longer enough to push interstellar gas into a bow shock. At best, it makes a “bow wave,” a region of slightly increased density — more like a fast-moving boat than a fighter jet. This means a significant change in how scientists think about the Sun and its interaction with the stuff beyond its influence.

“It’s too early to say exactly what this new data means for our heliosphere. Decades of research have explored scenarios that included a bow shock. That research now has to be redone using the latest data,” says McComas.

Voyager 1 and 2 have crossed the heliosphere’s termination shock (http://www.skyandtelescope.com/news/3308306.html?page=1&c=y), where the solar wind slows down abruptly as it approaches the threshold to interstellar space; however, neither craft has made it as far as the heliopause, the point where the pressure of the solar wind matches that of the interstellar medium. And it’ll be a very long time until either would cross a hypothetical bow shock.


http://media.skyandtelescope.com/images/Mira_GALEX_341px.jpg
The variable star Mira plows through interstellar gas at 130 km/s (almost 300,000 mph), carving out a bow shock in front, and leaving a comet-like trail 13 light-years long. NASA / JPL-Caltech


Bow shocks do form around other stars. One well-known example is the variable star Mira. Ultraviolet images from the Galaxy Evolution Explorer (GALEX) show that this star plows through the interstellar medium at 130 km/s (almost 300,000 mph) and leaves a trail of ionized gas 13 light-years long.

“Observations of a few astrospheres have shown bow shocks around those stars, but IBEX has shown that our star has a fundamentally different environment surrounding it,” says Christina Prested (Boston University), an IBEX scientist not involved in the published study. “These results are very exciting as we can now definitively say what it’s like in the neighborhood of our solar system.”

Source:
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/early/2012/05/09/science.1221054
The Heliosphere’s Interstellar Interaction: No Bow Shock

[another bob]

Many within the alternative communities in particular seem to imagine that "awakening" consists of becoming aware of some elite group or cabal that is dominating the world, or that there is some global catastrophe waiting to happen, or that there are ETs influencing things, or that our purpose here is to fight the powers that be, toss off the yoke of oppressive control programs, and make this world safe for nice people by expelling corporate trolls, bankers, demons and various pesky archonic critters who are clogging up our plumbing.

In any case, that is not true awakening, but just more information, speculation, and hopeful idealism that is always changing depending on causes and conditions. True awakening, on the other hand, begins with the direct realization that none of this is actually real, or rather, that it all has as much reality as a video game. The more reality we invest in the game, the more trapped we are in believing that it is real.

In fact, this realm is a stage that has existed for hundreds of trillions of years, and we have been performing as actors playing various roles in countless productions of the same basic plot, both here and in numerous other realms throughout the multiverse, for incalculable aeons.

This whole dimension, and even a few levels above this one, is nothing but a fabricated platform in consciousness for the complementary play of yin and yang, light and dark, good and evil, hope and fear. Basic stuff. In our multiple costumes, we have witnessed the creation and destruction of civilizations more times than we can count, worn every hat, over and over again, played every angle, and will continue to do so until we finally grow weary enough of these roles, this game, and are ready to move beyond what is essentially, in terms of levels of awareness, elementary school.

Actually, that puts a rather misleading face on it. Really, it's more like a prison, at least compared to what we could be up to, and will be, once we have had enough of endless conflict and chronic dissatisfaction in these small dark rooms that we take to be the universe, and are prepared to truly awaken to what's real.

The good news is that we don't have to go anywhere else, or be anything other than what we already are. There is nothing "wrong" with the material plane -- all is perfect just as it is. Where we are right now could be heaven, though we tend to make it hell. All the while, the only problem is and has always been our habit of fixating identity in dream personas, persisting as amnesiacs about our true nature.

Nessun Dorma, Nessun Dorma!

We are immortal spiritual beings, wandering in a desert of our own forgetfulness and consequent delusion. The only antidote is to stop granting reality to the unreal. When we are no longer feeding the dream of separation, craving, and fear, the hallucination loses its power to beguile us, and so becomes obsolete. What remains is what has always been, even while we’ve been too blind to see, distracted as we’ve been by our fascination with the game.



This brings us to the next question: how do we rouse ourselves from our slumber, open our eyes, and break the addiction to the game? We may encounter a lot of remedial solutions, esoteric methods, strategies and schemes suggested by various teachers and texts, and perhaps we might even settle on one answer that seems to make sense. We have all done that before, only to have that answer supplanted by another question later on down the road.

That’s just the discursive mind doing its job -- finding out about stuff, and then creating a point of view. This point of view is always changing, because new information is constantly being processed via perception. Beliefs are established that seem to indicate some stability within reality, but then are eventually undermined by the effects of new conditioning and experience, and this goes on and on.

Once in a while, a rare person may just stop in the middle of the whole production and realize directly that they are not the mind and its kaleidoscope of self-images. They may recognize that the mind, and feeling, and perception, and experience are all arising in a vast space of awareness, and likewise dissolving there, like a pond where the ripples have ceased, and the surface has become still.

Some call that aware space “Reality”, “Truth”, “Divine”, or the “Self”. Some don't call it anything at all, because they no longer identify with the mind of dilemma, and are out of that game. For them, names no longer have any enduring meaning.

Some, experiencing this glimpse into their own depths, are moved into a kind of ecstasy, and a very rare few experience the implications of the Remembrance of their Unconditional Nature to the point where they drown in it, and never again fall into the belief that they are the limited mind, or that the limited mind has any real purpose beyond being a tool for simple functional existence.

Ramana Maharshi is a good example of the latter. Out of compassion for all who are still troubled by the restless dream, and caught in a repetitive game that yields no true satisfaction, he made a simple recommendation, called Atmavichara, or Inquiry. It begins with the fundamental question: "Who am I?", but doesn't stop with the evidence that mind has to offer. It is a living exercise that literally deconstructs the architecture of the game by removing the ridgepole which supports the whole house of cards – the fixation on the belief in “me and mine”.

The first step initially seems like a daring leap across a huge chasm and into the vast Unknown. It consists of discarding all identification with thoughts, beliefs, memories, and preferences, and instead bringing attention to the awareness of that which observes them. Who or what is that one? The discursive mind can be of little help here, since that which perceives cannot itself be perceived by the usual faculties. We are not that which can be an object to our awareness.

By persisting in this inquiry with sincerity and disciplined focus of attention and intention, we may come to a certain threshold – the source of mind itself, and all that we have taken ourselves to be. All of our efforts may carry us here, but no further. Effort itself must be surrendered. Even the one who would surrender must be released, let go. At that point, something else must happen. That “something else” pulls us through the doorway of ourselves, and what follows is the grateful exhalation that we’ve been holding back for an eternity. The game can continue or not – it no longer matters. In fact, at that moment we may laugh in the realization that what’s true has been true all along, that what’s real has always been real, and moreover – we are That . . . Who knew!

[meat suit]

most excellent another Bob!
I have been coming to that kind of conclusion......

[Hervé]

Posters here, starting with the OP, appear to imagine that "Awakening" consists of being aware of some elite group or cabal that is dominating the world, or that there is some catastrophe waiting to happen, or that there are ETs influencing things, or that we are here to fight the powers that be, toss off the yoke of control programs, make this world safe for nice people, or expel demons and archonic critters who are clogging up our plumbing.

In any case, that is not true awakening at all. True awakening consists in the direct realization that none of this is actually real, or rather, that it all has as much reality as a video game. Moreover, we have been involved in these same virtual scenarios endlessly, and yet still can't seem to get enough.

The more reality we invest in the game, the more trapped we are in believing that it is real. In fact, this realm is a stage that has been around for hundreds of trillions of years, and we have been performing as actors playing various roles in countless productions of the same basic plot, both here and on numerous other planets throughout the galaxy, for incalculable aeons.

This whole dimension, and even a few levels above this one, is nothing but a stage in consciousness for the comlementary play of yin and yang, light and dark, good and evil, etc.. Basic stuff. In our multiple costumes, we have witnessed the creation and destruction of civilizations more times than we can count, worn every hat, over and over again, played every angle, and will continue to do so until we finally grow weary enough of these roles, this game, and are ready to move up and beyond what is essentially, in terms of levels of awareness, elementary school. Actually, that puts a rather misleading face on it. in reality, it's more like a prison, at least compared to what we could be up to, and will be, once we have had enough of endless conflict and dissatisfaction in these small dark rooms that we take to be the universe, and are prepared to truly awaken to what's real.

Nicely skipped gradients, another bob...

Read or reread this post # 388 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46887-From-Bill-Ryan-the-Ultimate-Hypothesis&p=519936&viewfull=1#post519936) from that lofty positon of yours where it seems that "it doesn't matter anyway."

Since "they" are your sheeples and we (on some level on that awakening scale) are "their" sheeples with our own sheeples to deal with... and it seems clear to me that not everyone is able to make it to that pinnacle of yours. Especially when some of the beings/souls on this planet have been stuck on an endless loops for those trillions of years with no way out... may be those need a hand to get to the first gradient step of "true" awakening?

Since you state that "we have been performing as actors playing various roles in countless productions of the same basic plot, both here and on numerous other planets throughout the galaxy, for incalculable aeons.", maybe this post # 281 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46887-From-Bill-Ryan-the-Ultimate-Hypothesis&p=519217&viewfull=1#post519217) "talks" to you since it inferred you acknowledge having "played" all "roles" in these sort of things?

If so, how about giving a hand to those still under the hypnotic spell of that "incident?" Unless, of course,from that position of yours "it doesn't matter anyway."

[MiguelQ]

If elites go to bunker, then, they get saved.. correct
But what is the after-event? Assuming the outside will go wild and crazy, and many will die.. assume everyone dies...
then, when they return, if they do, ... whos gonna work for them.. because we people are the slaves, giving them the money to construct such structures..

And i dont assume they dont need money, otherwise they would not need funding and money from us ("the slaves") ... so they must depend on us..
but if they kill us, then, they will be killed after the event because "they are too elite, to become slaves for their on elite members.." since someone has to do the job..

Are they planning to live with 5million habitants or so? will there be a money currency too? thats things i dont see clear...
there must be something missing...

Miguel,
my 2 cents on the matter

i think the reason for ditching the rest of the planet's humans is:
technology's already achieved...

the elite is finally "slave independent"

now time to discard 6 billion unbearable creatures...

war takes a looong time to plan, orchestrate and is short lived...smn hits the "wrong" button, they pay too

sicknesses are quite often unsuccessful and incalculable (when i hear of prominent high ranking masons dying of cancer, makes me doubt whether have they really mastered the human genome)...latest viruses were a joke, bird flu and h1nx got a serious public riddance

earth catastrophic events is the last weapon...according to a history channel doc 4 -5 years ago, there's been a serious market battle over weather networks in the states...i thought they were joking...apparently weather has been finally mastered as a warfare weapon..."a serious bidder" has bought the weather rights, hence the whole physical weather in the United States is property of a single group of ppl !!!!! no further comment!!!

going back to the "Dutch" interview...i was trying to understand how on earth would the Moon refuge help the elite???!!! the Sun Storm would hit Moon too, and for half the time Moon is [although marginally] closer to the sun...

then i did a little research which shows the Moon's poles are the coldest cribs around here for our cold-hearted boys...to quote from wiki:

MOON: Seasons

The Moon's axial tilt with respect to the Ecliptic is only 1.54°,[81] much less than the 23.44° of the Earth. Because of this, the Moon's solar illumination varies much less with season, and topographical details play a crucial role in seasonal effects.[82] From images taken by Clementine in 1994, it appears that four mountainous regions on the rim of Peary crater at the Moon's north pole remain illuminated for the entire lunar day, creating peaks of eternal light. No such regions exist at the south pole. Similarly, there are places that remain in permanent shadow at the bottoms of many polar craters,[60] and these dark craters are extremely cold: Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter measured the lowest summer temperatures in craters at the southern pole at 35 K (−238 °C),[83] and just 26 K close to the winter solstice in north polar Hermite Crater. This is the coldest temperature in the Solar System ever measured by a spacecraft, colder even than the surface of Pluto.[82]

so maybe, the Moon southern Pole will balance out a SUN Storm way too hot for Earth or elsewhere in the solar system...

after all, they are cold, freezing cold-hearted sons of beaches...

just my 2 cents

cheers all

Well they can go underground on the moon.. also to protect from dust and radiation..

But, in the end perhaps its something like sun flare event, but that occurs only on earth, so the moon is saved..
So the moon could be occluded by earth when that happens, giving extra protection at the peak event..

Or maybe, its something that just affects earth, and that flames and
The sound of trumphets could be nuclear bombs attack, staged as alien attacking us...
Exterminating the humans, that are disposable now. So that explain the bunkers, deep underground, or the moon escape..

[Beren]

Yep the fear mode of hoarding in order to preserve body...
What good is to preserve body in a possible desolate world???

Controllers want this game so badly ,the game of fear so whoever buy their spoil, then they will "dine together in hell " (just a quick paraphrase of Leonidas and his words from 300)...

This is why Christ`s original message is so radical and unacceptable to many... Either you choose higher reality or bath in mire and blood through your Earthly existence in primitive conscience world.
It was never about the things we were told ,it was always about being united with Creator of life in this holy conscience of higher purpose, powers and existence.

Knowledge that body isn`t the pinnacle of life...just one part of the experience...

No the body is not the pinnacle of life... and yet we all have one.

When you say that the message of Christ was simply that we have choice you are only stating a semi-truth. He was persecuted for trying to get the message out to the masses. His mission and message was to help humanity wake up and remember their origins and return to their "place in heaven".

Our current history is that force of the whole cabal is directed at keeping us from discovering and obtaining that knowledge. If it were a simple choice we would not be where we are today. It is a type of arrogance to say that we either choose another reality or wallow in the mire... it leaves out so many realities.

I do not feel fear in this thread - hard shocking information yes.

If it provokes any one of us to further action, further thought, further investigation, further consciousness then we are one step closer to changing our collective world.

La Tigra

That was my point as you stated it over here.
This isn't the fear thread and I wasn't alluding to this. Fear lies in those merchants of fear when they propagate to masses what is going to happen.
Avalon hasn't been the place of fear as far as I can recount.

It was always about how to get over it and be practical in many fields.

But see here, it is not an arrogance of what I said about mire and blood and high state of being.
Did I implied that mire and blood are evil?
No.

It's just a call from Christ (Creator in human form), to its children : "Are you done with mire and blood yet?"
"Are you ready to grow up or you want to continue doing your wishes?"

He quickly got a response at the cross.

But he cast always body and went high.
He was not afraid because he knew who he is.

We should also know who we are so we will not buy fear games.

Religion here doesn't fall into question since Christ's message to humanity wasn't religion.
It was elevation and returning to higher way of life.

[Beren]

Yep the fear mode of hoarding in order to preserve body...
What good is to preserve body in a possible desolate world???

Controllers want this game so badly ,the game of fear so whoever buy their spoil, then they will "dine together in hell " (just a quick paraphrase of Leonidas and his words from 300)...

This is why Christ`s original message is so radical and unacceptable to many... Either you choose higher reality or bath in mire and blood through your Earthly existence in primitive conscience world.
It was never about the things we were told ,it was always about being united with Creator of life in this holy conscience of higher purpose, powers and existence.

Knowledge that body isn`t the pinnacle of life...just one part of the experience...

I'm not disagreeing with what Beren expresses here. However, for me it's not so much about the body, for we all know the body must die sooner or later. I feel there's a much larger issue at stake.

If millions or billions of people were to die in a major catastrophe, most of them would die in utter terror. What happens to a being when they die in a state of terror? What types of entities are created in such a state?

The harvesting of these frightened souls by "them" is the thought that concerns me the most.

Well here's the thing, body isn't the pinnacle but is very important for life experience.
But by limiting the whole life experience to only body experience will produce a sense that this is the only thing that we got so let's fight for it.

If the change comes as described by many in forms of flares or any other destruction, it would be wiser to prepare mentally and spiritually for the possibility of leaving the body without fear or terror.
That's how no one gives a chance to possible entities to "harvest" the souls afterwards.

What is destroyed can be created anew since energy can always transform into shape and form the creator desires.
Our liberation comes in knowing that we are creators and that physical changes aren't the end of the life.

But masses do not know this. It's anyone's who has any higher knowledge to explain this to other souls so they can face the heat with different energy patter emitting from their core which cannot be destroyed.

[mattymoto]

Ok, I have watched, listened, and read to so much material the last few days-- I'm done. Once again I must agree with my guts.

I have never claimed to be psychic, I don't believe I am, YET on the other hand I know I am extremely "sensitive". My "sphere of influence" extends far beyond my body, and I find myself moving farther
and farther away from others' "spheres of influence" to escape what is oppressive to me. I do this because I don't only see, smell, touch, hear, and taste as so many of my fellow earthlings do-- I feelsee, feelsmell, feeltouch, feelhear, and feeltaste. In no way do I wish to sway opinion on this subject..I simply wish to share what my sensitivity has allowed me know. I don't want to change your individual opinions. My only goal is to share my truth straight from the heart. Call me nuts-- that's ok by me, I did not choose to be here to fight to convince anyone of their truth. In all honesty, I don't care about most of you. (I apologize if this offends. Certainly not meant to. I am only sharing my truth.) As seperated slivers of the "one" I have love for you, because I have love for myself-- we originate from the same source.

With that said, I would like to share what my guts have allowed me to feel. Poo-poo on me if you like, but I feel obligated to share.


There is just too much info out there on the idea that the sun is going to kill us--- to me this makes that info untrue. No doubt the sun could, but it won't. Earth won't allow.

As for the people in alt media who are or have been speaking out about these subjects-- if they, as messengers of truth, have ever even gotten close to exposing the "truth" they have been silenced, killed, or turned. Should you be a part of this alt media and have not been concluded by way of any of these three methods--- I regretfully must say "you're not even close." You must be doing the blackhearts a favor. I forgive you, but some may not.

and here's a gutfelt glimpse into the future, as I feel it...

One of these days, very soon, we will all wake from a restful nights sleep and will begin our day as usual. You may not notice it right away-- then you will find that you have been communicating with others around you without speech. We all will be in for a rude awakening-- chaos will spread, as thoughts will no longer be able to be kept from one another. (this IMO is the reason for these bases, as those in positions of "in the know" power already know this is coming and have for a long time.) We have been drip fed exactly what they know will keep us distracted. So clever, so dark, and ever so selfish of them.

So once again I feel obligated to share. That the cabal is VERY AFRAID, and they know we won't be, but they want us to be. Scared wee babies afraid to get caught with their hands in the cookie jar. Dogs burying their bones. They are the very shadows running from the light. Don't fear them or their propaganda.

Nature will balance itself-- I feel this.


I want to thank everyone for participating in this thread. You all have Christ within-- We were all born on the cross.


Peace

[Bo Atkinson]

A staggering, epochal critical mass mass event might indeed be at hand. A malevolent-collective assault on the human mind could exceed the purported threats of a EMP or CME... I'm trying to learn more about the related claims made by George Kavassilas/ ourjourneyhome.com.au George has a complex but coherent message well worth consideration, by minds able to thread countless contexts. Able to balance all human subjects, not just one category of subjects. I just happen to love integrative resonances, spanning multiple researchers, and with patterns, in the big pictures.
http://harmoniouspalette.com/KavassilasVid.jpg

My developing paraphrasing of Kavassilas' latest, in my brief words:

Enigmas like Pine Gap, said to be something like the "matrix mind control center of planet earth".... Connected to the "moon matrix"....... The moon, here said to have originally been a life-seeding laboratory for planting life on local planets-- Said to have been evacuated by the original life-planters and besieged by dracos--Said to have been altered by draco-and allies with manipulative technology-- Especially featuring a coating of silica (SiO2) which makes it resonate manipulative physiology-coding (human, silica-resonant-biologica-influences) to undermine natural human eveolvement.... To disempower the innate, sleeping-powers within humans .... etc .... In a grand conquering scheme, having started 300K years ago... When the major subjugation of humans occurred and when mother earth sacrificed her sovereignty, for a cycle of duration only, in order to allow her 'children' (humans) to experience all the pre existing potentials, despite the contrasting overlays of the grand matrix scheme of invader forces....

Here we are at cyclic universe turnings. At alignments which aim multiple, energy-flow entrainments. Perhaps like eddies in a river, of universe currents. Can we entrain the flows of energy, to any human advantage? I wonder.

In the mean time and decades since, i have dedicated my meager little human life to honor ecosystems around me. To support living dynamics through gardening, sylva culture and artgineered-housing. (http://harmoniouspalette.com) To suffer the ridicule of peers, for not worshiping the matrix systems of centralized society, ( corporate or government jobs or contracts which emulate these larger systems). Naturally my own efforts have always appeared like a curious sort of failure, to many 'collective-ized' people around me. My meager income has largely been derived from menial odd jobs. With very few better contracts. Yet i am thankful. It has allowed me to peacefully be.
http://harmoniouspalette.com/HarmoniousEcology.jpg
In the meantime... I think the point is to remain balanced and composed in the realities which we have already arranged for ourselves. Or perhaps finish up some details or fine tune a little bit. For some of us this would have included a self-sufficient-ish feature. Yet i would not push people towards an instant off-grid mania. If back to the land resonates and fits? -Then wonderful, this is indeed a great place to move. A great place to complete the great cycle, where we have learned some balancing aspects of life.

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks Doodah a good summery of what we could expect only a lot worse, you painted a good picture of the haves and have nots
on the local level. Youcan see why the elites are panicking if they think they will have to 'muck in' with the 'surfs'..LOL..

What you say about meddling with haarp is something I been wondering with all the rain over here ? It certainly caught the
the long range weather forecasters on the hop .As they thought we were going to have a drought and the last
hose pipe bans were only lifted last week, which is very funny over here and is why I have been reffering to the
'wettest drought' in history that we are experiancing, its still raining !! LOL..

It could be coincidence but the heatwave in the states is causing the jet stream to be on a slightly lower latitude over
Northern Europe and is why we are have this lovely weather.....As said could be coincidence but I do wonder !!

[Dennis Leahy]

there are a LOT of people who believe or strongly suspect we did not incarnate at this time to cultivate 'ordinary mind', but rather that our collective goal is to challenge the pervasive ill-will of the ruling collective.

Beliefs are plentiful.

:yo:When the amnesia is heavy, "beliefs" (I could have, probably should have, said "hunches" or "compelling feelings") are the only portals to follow toward spiritual evolution. (Please read the spirit of those words, not the mere words.)

Scene I:
A peaceful Buddhist monastery, built high atop a "dormant" volcano. A severe earthquake rumbles the mountain. The monastery is destroyed, several monks are killed and several are severely injured by the falling debris. The volcanic mountain is not dormant - it is alive, and an eruption is imminent. A monk rushes to the Master.

Monk: {breathlessly} Master! Should we get the injured and move quickly down the mountain?

Master: {calmly} Have you finished eating?

Monk: {confused} Well, yes, but what does that...

Master: {calmly} Then wash your bowl.

The Monk, puzzled at first, realizes that the Master is probably very wise and is espousing a higher level of truth, but incapable of helping out in this dire situation. This situation requires flexibility and agility of mind; pyroclastic flows will roast the wise and the stupid at the same rapid rate. The Master is ready to accept bodily death at any moment, and the Monk knows that, in a way, that can be a liability in a leader of a group. The Monk punches the Master squarely in the head and knocks him out, then reaches out to catch the Master before he hits the ground. The Monk knows it will be easier to triage and evacuate if the old Master is asleep.

End of Scene I.
==================================

I have not had a dimensional-paradigm-changing enlightenment like you have described elsewhere, Bob, nor do I remember any past lives or time spent between lives. All I have are "hunches" that the reality is that I have lived many lives, played many roles, and that the descriptions of the process as exposed by Dr. Michael Newton in his books is accurate. That includes the hunch that it is probably true that I reincarnated this time - and at this time - with specific goals in mind. OK, so I passed the test of not siding with the evil cabal. Woo woo. Big whoop-de-do. That was actually pretty easy, I think. My hunch is that the testing period isn't over, in fact, it is just starting. Will I be intelligent enough to gather enough information to make informed decisions about my actions and be able to provide service to others, or will I cower, or freeze, or escape into mind-numbing thinking (with or without drugs), or step off the path and just be an observer? Stay tuned for Scene II.

Dennis

[Chester]

Bump that Bill.

http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/89907/Ed_Dames__The_Killshot_Remote_Viewing_Predictions/

and more on Ed Dames here:

http://www.mindpowernews.com/DrDoom.htm

Happen to know the dates of production of both of these links' contents?

[AnthonyBacala]

Don't we need to pause occasionally and distill, collate and develop a synopsis?

So, I just read the Jake Simpson Camelot link (http://projectcamelot.org/jake_simpson.html). We've had these types of solar events before, or some derivative thereof, either man made or cyclical by nature. The elite, hidden in their Vatican archives, have all of the ancient texts, and currently all of the technology which Jake claims is 10,000 years ahead of the open technology we are exposed to. The ability to go off planet is in the bag, and the underground network is so sophisticated and connected to all continents, it would make any normal person's head spin.

So, the elite are prepared for every contingency, regardless of whether it is unknown to the extent of time that such events may occur. Good for them. They managed to keep it a secret from us, have managed to pilfer the wealth of this planet and pull of one of the most impressive stealth projects imaginable, and as Bob Dean claims, could possibly preserve the integrity and survival of mankind for the next golden age.

But, where does that leave us? I think a few solar rechargeable batteries and Faraday cage to put our electronics in, along with a supply of long term storage foods, possibly moving to a not so populated area, is prudent, but seems ridiculously inadequate.

That's pretty much the best summary I've read. :)

In addition to the above mentioned items, I believe an invaluable piece of knowledge lies in the form of the "Foxfire Books." I'm not sure if anyone else is familiar with this collection, but my Dad's cousin (in his 60's) told me about them this past December. Since we were children, everytime we visited his 650 acres of land in East Texas, he would tell my family, "Now, the day the **** hits the fan, you've got exactly one week to get here before the gates are sealed off."

This man was one of two in the nation who performed a certain type of underwater welding decades ago. He was also a teacher, a brilliant mathematician, and eventually, a recluse. For decades, he has been tracking the gradual decline of the economy, the quality of life, etc. He has spent this time creating a fully self sustainable lifestyle on his property, while continuing to educate himself.

Now I truly believe this collection of work he told me about would be paramount to our survival in the event of the grid powering down, and humanity getting a re-start, so-to-speak. The "Foxfire Books," according to Wikipedia,
The Foxfire books are a series of copyrighted anthologies of articles originally written for the Foxfire magazine, along with additional content not suitable for the magazine format. Though first conceived primarily as a sociological work, recounting oral traditions, the books, particularly the early ones, were a commercial success as instructional works.

Members of the 1970s back-to-the-land movement used the books as a basis to return to lives of simplicity. The first book was published in 1972 as The Foxfire Book. This was followed by an additional 11 books, titled in sequence Foxfire 2 through Foxfire 12. The students have published several additional specialty books under the Foxfire name, some of which have been published by the University of North Carolina Press.

The First book's contents, and brief description, are as follows:

http://www.foxfire.org/images/products/detail/F1.jpg


This volume, the original anthology, celebrates the home life and creative history of Appalachia, featuring sections on hog dressing, log cabin building, soap making, basket weaving, planting by the signs, preserving foods, making butter, snake lore, hunting tales, faith healing, and moonshining.

Table of Contents:
"This is the way I was raised up"
Aunt Arie
Wood
Tools and Skills
Building a Log Cabin
Chimney Building
White Oak Splits
Making a Hamper out of White Oak Splits
Making a Basket out of White Oak Splits
An Old Chair Maker Shows How
Rope, Straw, and Feathers are to Sleep on
A Quilt is Something Human
Soapmaking
Cooking on a Fireplace, Dutch Oven, and Wood Stove
Daniel Manous
Mountain Recipes

Preserving Vegetables

Preserving Fruit
Churning Your Own Butter

Slaughtering Hogs
Curing and Smoking Hog

Recipes for Hog
Weather Signs
Planting by the Signs
The Buzzard and the Dog

Home Remedies
Hunting
Dressing and Cooking Wild Animal Foods

Hunting Tales
Snake Lore
Moonshining as a Fine Art

Faith Healing
Hillard Green

You can easily download free PDF's of this series from sites such as http://beasurvivor.blogspot.com/2009/07/foxfire-books-1-3-for-free.html

However, I'd sure love to have a hard-copy around when the power goes down. Also, for the cost to print copies, you can just as easily purchase them directly here http://www.foxfire.org/thefoxfirebooks.aspx

If anyone is familiar with this material, or has more input, please feel free to share. I just thought I would pass the knowledge along in case someone hasn't heard of this series.

[Jean-Luc]

You can easily download free PDF's of this series from sites such as http://beasurvivor.blogspot.com/2009/07/foxfire-books-1-3-for-free.html



Message on scribd says : Content removed at the request of Random House Inc.

Alternatively free download of Volumes 1 to 5 are available here:

http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/library/FoxfireVol1.pdf
http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/library/FoxfireVol2.pdf
http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/library/FoxfireVol3.pdf
http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/library/FoxfireVol4.pdf
http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/library/FoxfireVol5.pdf

Specially recommended, Volume 3, pages 117-207 : How to build Banjos & Dulcimers :)

[AnthonyBacala]

You can easily download free PDF's of this series from sites such as http://beasurvivor.blogspot.com/2009/07/foxfire-books-1-3-for-free.html



Message on scribd says : Content removed at the request of Random House Inc.

Alternatively free download of Volumes 1 to 5 are available here:

http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/library/FoxfireVol1.pdf
http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/library/FoxfireVol2.pdf
http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/library/FoxfireVol3.pdf
http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/library/FoxfireVol4.pdf
http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/library/FoxfireVol5.pdf

Specially recommended, Volume 3, pages 117-207 : How to build Banjos & Dulcimers :)


Jean-Luc, thank you for pointing out this particular section. It made me laugh, as I am a musician, and quickly realized how important music can be for soothing the soul. This would definitely make those downed power grid days and nights a lot more lively!

[SilentFeathers]

Concerning the original post, interesting theories…..anything is possible.

All of this is just more stuff that can’t be proven (right now anyways) one way or another. People are claiming some pretty hard to believe stuff now a days to say the least. The time lines make it even more “expandable” to what may or may not be real or true, it opens the doors to ANY possibility, which makes it even harder to swallow. But, as I say, anything is possible and I have learned not to count anything out, but to be very cautious at the same time to these types of scenarios.

End of Days: Quite likely as it’s been millions of years since an ELE asteroid or comet strike, we are probably due. It’s also quite likely the human race could wipe ourselves out with the idiotic bioweapons and nukes, disease etc etc etc……yes, end of days are probably closer than most would like to admit…..will there be survivors? The longer I live the more I doubt it with what I am witnessing happening on this planet.

A Ticket Out of Here: Well, if so, they’ll wish they didn’t make a toilet out of the planet, especially when they realize that even though they may have been genetically modified, they still are of the Earth and are unique to her energy fields and environment and cannot survive for generations without her “nourishment” so to speak……not to mention the dynamics of the spirit and soul being strongly connected to the Mother Earth.

ET’s and the Human Experiment: Highly likely they exist and may even be among us right now. If they are steering the course of humanity they are worse than all the demons or devils mentioned in the bible and other ancient myths and legends, all one needs to do is study history and notice the state of affairs today to come up with this conclusion. Oh, but wait! What about the good ET’s????? Well, they must not be all that good to allow the bad ones to manipulate us and steer us in the wrong direction…..but perhaps they just haven't arrived yet and are on their way here to save us! Lol!

I could go on and on, but in my opinion, our main priority should be eachother and the Earth, not some far away base on another globe/sphere somewhere, in theory…..or waiting the rest of our lives doing nothing waiting for one of these wild stories to come true…………

Added

The posts above and below mine focusing on survival techniques are one step in the right direction in my opinion :)

[sdv]

FYI

Since I live by the sea, this is of special interest to me. All you need is a fire and adaptable containers and you have water you can drink:

http://www.wikihow.com/Turn-Salt-Water-Into-Drinking-Water

[Daughter of Time]

Yep the fear mode of hoarding in order to preserve body...
What good is to preserve body in a possible desolate world???

Controllers want this game so badly ,the game of fear so whoever buy their spoil, then they will "dine together in hell " (just a quick paraphrase of Leonidas and his words from 300)...

This is why Christ`s original message is so radical and unacceptable to many... Either you choose higher reality or bath in mire and blood through your Earthly existence in primitive conscience world.
It was never about the things we were told ,it was always about being united with Creator of life in this holy conscience of higher purpose, powers and existence.

Knowledge that body isn`t the pinnacle of life...just one part of the experience...

I'm not disagreeing with what Beren expresses here. However, for me it's not so much about the body, for we all know the body must die sooner or later. I feel there's a much larger issue at stake.

If millions or billions of people were to die in a major catastrophe, most of them would die in utter terror. What happens to a being when they die in a state of terror? What types of entities are created in such a state?

The harvesting of these frightened souls by "them" is the thought that concerns me the most.

Well here's the thing, body isn't the pinnacle but is very important for life experience.
But by limiting the whole life experience to only body experience will produce a sense that this is the only thing that we got so let's fight for it.

If the change comes as described by many in forms of flares or any other destruction, it would be wiser to prepare mentally and spiritually for the possibility of leaving the body without fear or terror.
That's how no one gives a chance to possible entities to "harvest" the souls afterwards.

What is destroyed can be created anew since energy can always transform into shape and form the creator desires.
Our liberation comes in knowing that we are creators and that physical changes aren't the end of the life.

But masses do not know this. It's anyone's who has any higher knowledge to explain this to other souls so they can face the heat with different energy patter emitting from their core which cannot be destroyed.

Of course, it should be the work of all beings with higher knowledge to enlighten the masses. But the masses, with their belief systems engraved in stone, will simply not listen.

My wonderful, righteous, beautiful uncle passed away last week. Being that they are very well off, his widow gave him the best funeral rites money can buy. At the funeral home, my uncle communicated with me. He said: "thank goodness you can hear me because nobody elese here can. Tell my wife i thank her for such a beautiful display". I relayed this message to my mother who relayed it to his widow. She nearly dropped, and not in joy at the communication, but in fear. She still holds on to the belief that any communication from the other side is evil, even from her loving, caring husband who always adored her. And yet again, a couple of days ago, he communicated to me to tell his wife that he was well and she should go on with her life. Upon hearing this, she reacted almost violently and made it very clear that she would not hear such nonsense again because she does not believe it and it terrifies her.

This has happened to me so many times before. Whenever a loved who passed gave me a loving message for the loved ones they had left, I felt it was my duty to relay the message. The reactions have usually been incredibly negative. Someone told me I must be the devil to be able to communicate with the dead. Most of these people would have nothing to do with me after such communications. That's OK. I don't need those people in my life. I'd rather be with kindred spirits. So my point is, under the average level of consciousness and understanding on the planet right now, enlightening the masses is merely impossible. If they do not believe in the immortality of the soul, how can they believe that they can die without fear? They are asleep, in the dark, and refuse to be awakened.

Perhaps the meaning of "the meek shall inherit the earth" is that those who are filled with love will be spared and they will live and rebuild a planet with higher consciousness.

I do apologize if this post deviates from the purpose of this thread. I will try not to deviate again.

[spiritwind]

My 2 cents worth

I may have said some of this here or over on Camelot, I’m not sure, but here goes. I think we’re all part of a very large intricate and detailed experiment. Those of us who can’t stay away from these conspiracy sites, though a very diverse group, I believe have a special part to play. That doesn’t mean I think we are special necessarily, anymore than anyone is special, but we have a part to play in whatever is to come. I actually had an experience when I was 6 years old where I was told that I was indeed part of an experiment, I was very loved (and it was very much a felt experience), and at least part of me is not from here. Now, I don’t know what that really means, but I spent the first half of my life (until I was actually in my late 30’s) hating it here and terribly homesick for my real family I knew I had somewhere. I’ve basically come to terms with a great deal, fell totally in love with the Earth herself, and figured maybe I’d better just figure out how to do the best job just being here and being human and part of this amazing time we live in. I did a tremendous amount of baggage off loading in especially in the last 10 years. Hopefully many of us that come here have been doing the same in their own unique way. Many of us sense we are preparing for something. Even if we don’t know for sure how it’s all going to go down, our senses are heightened. For me, I don’t have a problem acknowledging my inner guidance team. It’s been there since childhood and whether it’s me (higher self if you want to call it that), my team (which it feels like to me), my future/other dimensional selves, whatever, the better I’ve gotten at tuning in the better my life experience has been.

My whole life I’ve been interested in how to basically learn good survival skills on every level. My husband, who is 66 and spent a period of 23 years off/on in the military (Special Forces Medic attached to the Rangers Battalion, served in Vietnam, Desert Storm/Shield etc.), although always willing to discuss these topics, is finally on totally the same page as I am. We have no fear of what the future holds. We both recognize ourselves as eternal beings who have known each other forever. And we know we are here to survive whatever comes. The Earth is a living being. I believe everyone will be where they need to be. I have been learning various types of communication with the natural world so that, in the event of a technological failure (economic collapse, earth changes event, whatever), I have many allies. I also believe we are amazing powerful beings who don’t know what we are really capable of. In other words, I don’t buy into anything that says it has to be a certain way. Anyone can learn to spin foil, bend spoons, remote view, spontaneously heal, become a medical intuitive etc. These skills are not relegated to the select few, they can be developed by anyone. And to me this is just the tip of the ice berg. So, call this crazy if you want, but I even believe we could work with nature to clean up the pollution we humans leave behind (and not just physical!) in record time. I believe we could even create a shield with our collective intent to protect us from, say, a solar event. That doesn’t mean we will. But, I believe we could. Anyway, back to the point I was trying to make, my husband and I are making plans for our future that are good in any kind of scenario.

I’m not saying you should do what we are, but I think everyone can ascertain exactly what they, as individuals, should be doing at this time, by (in whatever way you use) going within, self reflect, ask your inner knowing/wisdom, to give you guidance and then take the time to listen to what you receive. For us, we decided that living on our boat in any part of the Pacific coast right now was just not where we wanted to be, so we’re selling it and plan to get as self sufficient as possible. I suddenly developed an interest in getting backyard chickens and I’m having a blast with them. My little 6 x 16 foot garden space is packed. I’m learning to barter with other folks for a variety of things. Since my family is not ready to give up meat I went out to my friend who lives in a rural area and helped her butcher the portion of her chickens she was raising for food (mine are now part of the family and just for eggs btw). She’s an amazing person in many ways herself. Her and her husband bow hunt and there 11 year old daughter can start a fire in the rain with just a piece of flint and steel in under 20 minutes! I figured if I had to it would be a good idea to learn the best way to do it and find out if I even could if I had to. She also raises rabbits but I’m not going there even though they’re cheap to raise and very prolific. Plus she just got some goats and is thinking about getting homing pigeons. My children who are mostly grown now thank me for learning to be adaptable because of all the change they experienced growing up. That is one of our greatest gifts as human beings is our ability to be adaptable. Just talking about these kinds of things to others has influenced them and many people I know are taking up these kinds of things. I know how to make soap, candles, medicine from weeds. My husband has delivered babies, pulled teeth, set bones, and stitched a lot of people up. I am fortunate that he is skilled in just about everything good for survival. I have actually driven around the countryside, talked with friends and family about what if scenarios. Nothing too dramatic, but just telling them what I would do and getting them to think/talk about what they might do in certain circumstances. I’ve talked to them about the science of what is going on with our sun and our solar systems location in the galaxy (I’m fortunate to have taken an astronomy class). I guess you should be getting my drift by now.

If you feel moved to be doing more than you are, then do something, any little thing, that will help you (physically, mentally, emotionally, spiritually) become more adaptable and able to cope with change would be my strongest recommendation to everyone. Everything new has a certain learning curve. Get creative (we were even looking into growing hydroponically using pvc pipe on the boat before we decided to become land lovers again).

I am still curious about new discoveries and the unraveling that is going on on many levels of society. That, and just plain boredom is what keeps me coming back here. Plus, even though I don’t post much, it does somewhat meet my need for a sense of community of like minded people. Anyway, for what it’s worth (because you know, the internet really could go down at any time) I have appreciated all of you here (and Camelot), because I know for sure I am not alone, especially in even considering all these crazy topics, and for all the hard work some of you put into some of your amazing posts. But, in the end, as far as how far the rabbit hole really goes with the whole alien agenda, sci-ops, black projects, break away technologically advanced society of elitists, I really can’t claim to have all the answers there. Doesn’t hurt to speculate, and believe me, it’s one of my favorite pastimes, but it’s kinda like trying to describe what’s inside the fish bowl while you’re in it. We all have to rely on too much outsider information for now to know definitively what is really going on. So, I’m spending more and more time just living and paying attention to what’s right in front of me while just trying to be ready as I can be for anything. Eventually we’ll all know how things are going to turn out as the weeks and months pass. Parting advice, nature is the best medicine.

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Below is a picture of the burdock plant I left growing in with my raspberries. I will dig it up this fall and make tea out of it.

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[Rocky_Shorz]

well eyes in the sky are out from the 1.4 X-class that just popped off at earth...

dark energy waves going on while these waves are rolling in...

hey elites, are your bags packed yet?


fill a bathtub with water for now until further update, just in case...

I was out for a walk when the energy hit us, I felt so light headed I had to grab a tree to keep from floating away...

[Carmen]

Thanks for the Foxfire magazine/books. I think they are a fabulous resource. The first few pages really piqued my interest. What a marvellous way to teach kids! They teach you!

[Bill Ryan]

I was reviewing the Dan Burisch summary:

http://projectcamelot.org/dan_burisch_summary.html

And one thing stood out to me that is more of a commentary on what Burisch and Deacon had to say. I'm speaking of footnote #16:


In and among the complexity of this edifice of challenging information, this may be the single most important thing to grasp: that - see note (9) above - we have free will and full choice at all times. What will happen to us is what we agree will occur... consciously or unconsciously. This is a fundamental metaphysical truth.

We have the gift to be able to choose the fate and welfare of the world and our civilization. A critical mass of agreement is necessary in order to choose what we wish to experience. If we do not want a catastrophe to occur, then this starts with your conscious intent, now.

I don't know if Kerry wrote this or Bill or if they both agreed it was important to say, but I find it to be significant. I suggest people keep this in mind, whether you believe it or not. It doesn't mean you have to delude yourself into the belief that there is no danger and no preparation to do, just take care to set your intentions on the most postive possible outcome every step of the way through the course of events.

I wrote that -- and I still hold by it.

[Bill Ryan]

I think we’re all part of a very large intricate and detailed experiment.

Yes, I really think we might be.

[Bill Ryan]

Posters here, starting with the OP, appear to imagine that "Awakening" consists of being aware of some elite group or cabal that is dominating the world, or that there is some catastrophe waiting to happen, or that there are ETs influencing things, or that we are here to fight the powers that be, toss off the yoke of control programs, make this world safe for nice people, or expel demons and archonic critters who are clogging up our plumbing.

In any case, that is not true awakening at all. True awakening consists in the direct realization that none of this is actually real, or rather, that it all has as much reality as a video game.


It's both. :)

See my 2009 interview with Freedom Central (still one of the best). My opening words are: "It's a paradox."

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ic70cVN5IdQ


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ic70cVN5IdQ

[Ron Mauer Sr]

I think we’re all part of a very large intricate and detailed experiment.

Yes, I really think we might be.

IMHO we are eternal beings having a human experience in a universe that is a free will zone. In this free will zone, others are free to take power away, and individuals are free to allow their power to be taken away or NOT allow.

[Cidersomerset]

Jesse Ventura talks to researcher Larry Joseph he says basically everything said so far and
says there is a solution to minimise the effects its to install ground resistors!!

Just place those resistors between the ground and the transformers and it will keep us
from shorting out the nation. Jesse asks if it is that easy why are they not doing it ?
Joseph says we have one problem its not money its not technology its politics !!!

From post 398.........Does anyone know if what Larry Joseph said above about
resitors is feasible or not ? Just wondering!

[blufire]

The Foxfire Books are excellent in recording the complete self sufficiency of Appalachian native people. My Great Grandmother is in one of the Foxfire Books that is about herbal medicine and faith healing. I would caution though that few would understand how to live in the fashion of the traditional Highlanders because it takes at least a basic understanding of very old methods of homesteading and living based from old Irish and Scottish heritage. These are my people and I returned back to these hills over a year ago for the very reasons that are in this thread. I have a thread titled Deep in Foxfire Hollow.

I read with great interest Doodah’s post #433. We too experienced the same storm and electrical failure well over two weeks ago. We got our electrical service back up just yesterday.
Here in my small mountain town there were absolutely NO “haves or have not’s”. Within the hour of the storm passing I heard chainsaws and atv’s power up all through the ridges and hollows. By nightfall we had all the elderly and disabled in the small elementary school with several large diesel generators “borrowed” from the coal mines. We set up freezers for people to bring their food so it wouldn’t spoil and everyone chipped in prepping food about to spoil and fresh garden produce either cooking for the many mouths to feed or to can and preserve. There was a medical area to care for our elderly and many injuries and cuts clearing the downed trees and debris. The young people rode horses, motorcycles and atv’s from hollow to hollow and ridge to ridge checking on the folks who chose or needed to stay in their homes. The children fished and swam in the river the flows by the school.

One evening as we sat around the fire after a pig roast dinner with sweet corn from the gardens and blackberry cobbler the children picked that day, with many guitars, banjos and fiddles playing around me and homemade wine and 'stronger stuff' I had the thought that I wouldn’t really care if the power ever came back on and I have no doubt that the people around me were thinking the same thing.

I also had the thought that in that situation my little mountain community were the people who would be considered the Haves and those just an hour away struggling in their fancy neighborhoods carefully hiding their resources and defiantly refusing to share and work together were very sad and sadly unaware that what they were experiencing is only a precursor to very turbulent and difficult times just around the corner.

I want to post later on my thoughts that will not leave my mind about Bill’s statement on the controllers preserving the genome . . . . that statement keeps rolling through my mind and nibbling around a personal revelation.

[gripreaper]

Was playing around with the Hitler parodies, after the Drake parody was so right on, that I thought I would do one for this thread. Sorry, I forgot to change the title before I saved it.

Hope you like it. You can access it HERE (http://meemsy.com/v/2736)

[another bob]

It's both. :)

See my 2009 interview with Freedom Central (still one of the best). My opening words are: "It's a paradox."


Well my Friend, there's paradox, and then there's cognitive dissonance.

I think one must be Irish to carry around the latter without compromising their neural net. LOL!

In any case, Thank you for your efforts, Bill, and Blessings!

[Fred Steeves]

Was playing around with the Hitler parodies, after the Drake parody was so right on, that I thought I would do one for this thread. Sorry, I forgot to change the title before I saved it.

Hope you like it. You can access it HERE (http://meemsy.com/v/2736)

Gripreaper, that is one of the funniest damn things I have seen in some time my friend, thank you for the good belly laugh! http://www.bigtenfever.com/forums/images/smilies/rofl.gif

We need more of that here...Or anywhere for that fact. GREAT JOB!!!

Cheers,
Fred

[gripreaper]

Was playing around with the Hitler parodies, after the Drake parody was so right on, that I thought I would do one for this thread. Sorry, I forgot to change the title before I saved it.

Hope you like it. You can access it HERE (http://meemsy.com/v/2736)

Gripreaper, that is one of the funniest damn things I have seen in some time my friend, thank you for the good belly laugh! http://www.bigtenfever.com/forums/images/smilies/rofl.gif

We need more of that here...Or anywhere for that fact. GREAT JOB!!!

Cheers,
Fred

I was taught years ago by a great shaman, that sometimes it takes absurdity to break an energy loose so that a new energy can emerge. She suggested I walk around with a carton of eggs on my head.

When we stand back far enough from the canvas and do not get distracted and ultra focused on the individual pixels, juxtaposed from a soul level encompassing many lifetimes, epochs and galaxies, it does seem quite absurd.

Don't worry, the Avalonian's will figure it out !!!!

[Brizil]

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More material. These are all downloads... plenty of reading for all. :)

Solar activity:


Full video (http://projectavalon.net/resources/Matthew_Stein_WHEN_TECHNOLOGY_FAILS_Project_Camelot_11_Oct_2009.mp4) (MP4) of Matthew Stein (the author of WHEN TECHNOLOGY FAILS) in his Project Camelot interview presentation.
Matthew Stein's Feb 2012 article (http://projectavalon.net/resources/Solar_Flares_EMP_and_Nuclear_Armageddon_Matthew_Stein.pdf) entitled: 400 Chernobyls: Solar Flares, EMP, and Nuclear Armageddon.
A must-read article (http://projectavalon.net/resources/Electromagnetic_Pulse_EMP_Protection_Jerry_Emanuelson.pdf) by engineer Jerry Emanuelson on how to safeguard against a potential EMP (electromagnetic pulse), either from a nuclear weapon or from extreme solar activity.
A must-read e-mail exchange (http://projectavalon.net/resources/Project_Camelot_A_Major_Electrical_Problem_in_2012-2013.pdf) between Bill Ryan from Project Camelot and the wife of a senior UK electrical engineer, in which she reports that her husband had just received notice of impending catastrophic failure of global electrical systems in 2012-13.
An excellent summary article (http://www.examiner.com/article/cyberspies-or-solar-storms-the-real-threat-to-us-electrical-grid) by Dr Michael Salla on the problem of possibly imminent solar superstorms.
Click here (http://projectcamelot.org/Solar_Storm_Threat_Analysis_James_Marusek_Impact_2007.pdf) and here (http://projectcamelot.org/Solar_Cycle_24_Analysis_James_Marusek_Impact_2009.pdf) for two important papers on solar activity by James Marusek (2007 and 2009).
A US Army technical manual (http://projectcamelot.org/tm_5_690.pdf), cleared for public release, on safeguarding electrical systems against various kinds of electrical interference. Chapter 5 (p.130) discusses risks from electromagnetic pulses.

Economic collapse:

A must-read article (http://projectavalon.net/resources/Protocols_For_Economic_Collapse_In_America_Al_Martin_2004.pdf) by economist Al Martin: PROTOCOLS FOR ECONOMIC COLLAPSE IN AMERICA. It was written in 2004, so the first 4 pages can be skipped. Start reading at the top of page 5.
A must-read final chapter (http://projectavalon.net/resources/AFTERSHOCK_Robert_A_Wiedemer_unpublished_final_chapter.pdf) of the book AFTERSHOCK by economist Robert Wiedemer, predicting catastrophic economic collapse in 2012. This unpublished chapter was so hard-hitting that the publishers actually omitted it from several editions of the book.




Just discovered this article on google news.. It states that a Solar Flare may be headed this way!

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-solar-flare-20120712,0,6885961.story

[Jeffrey]

A Doubling of the Sun's Coronal Magnetic Field during the Last 100 Years

M. Lockwood, R. Stamper, and M.N. Wild

World Data Centre C-1 for STP, Rutherford Appleton Laboratory, Chilton, England, UK

NATURE Vol. 399, 3 June 1999. Pages 437-439

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The total solar magnetic flux emanating through the coronal source sphere^8, Fs , derived from the geomagnetic aa data for 1868-1996 (black line bounding grey shading) and the values from the interplanetary observations for 1964-1996 (blue line). The variation of the annual means of the sunspot number <R> is shown by the area shaded purple. The magnetic flux in the solar corona has risen by 40% since 1964 and by a factor of 2.3 since 1901.

The solar wind, because it is an extended ionized gas of very high electrical conductivity, drags some magnetic flux out of the Sun, thereby filling the heliosphere with the weak interplanetary magnetic field. Magnetic reconnection - the merging of oppositely-directed magnetic fields such that they become connected to each other - between the interplanetary field and the Earth's magnetic field, allows energy from the solar wind to enter the near-Earth environment. The Sun's properties, such as its luminosity, are related to its magnetic field, though the connections are as yet not well understood. Moreover, changes in the heliospheric magnetic field have been linked with changes in total cloud cover over the Earth, which may influence global climate change. Here we report that the measurements of the near-Earth interplanetary magnetic field reveal that the total magnetic field leaving the sun has risen by a factor 1.4 since 1964. Using surrogate interplanetary measurements, we find that the rise since 1901 is by a factor of 2.3. This change may be related to chaotic changes in the dynamo that generates the solar magnetic field. We do not yet know quantitatively how such changes will influence the global environment.

Full Study Here: http://www.wdc.rl.ac.uk/wdcc1/papers/nature.html

[Dennis Leahy]

Was playing around with the Hitler parodies, after the Drake parody was so right on, that I thought I would do one for this thread. Sorry, I forgot to change the title before I saved it.

Hope you like it. You can access it HERE (http://meemsy.com/v/2736)Freakin hilarious. Thanks, gripreaper!

Dennis

[Jeffrey]

Exerpt from http://home1.gte.net/poofalow/moon11.htm

The Puzzle of the Glassy Surface on the Moon: Lunar explorations have revealed that much of the moon's surface is covered with a glassy glaze, which indicates that the moon's surface has been scorched by an unknown source of intense heat. As one scientist put it, the moon is "paved with glass." The experts' analysis shows this did not result from massive meteor impactings. One explanation forwarded was that an intense solar flare, of awesome proportions, scorched the moon some 30,000 years or so ago. Scientists have remarked that the glassy glaze is not unlike that created by atomic weapons (the high radiation of the moon should also be considered in light of this theory).

See also, T. Gold (http://www.sciencemag.org/content/165/3900/1345.abstract)in conjunction with the above.

[AnthonyBacala]

From Doodah's earlier post
1. I am part of a family that has connections through marriage to a high level person in the US govt who will go to the elite bunkers. They do not speak of it to "us," the rest of the family who will not be offered that option. This situation is up close and personal; it divides the family, brother and sister; uncle, aunt, nephew, niece. How do I feel about this? Part of me doesn't care. "They" will survive, maybe, but they are part of the sociopathic portion of the human race that stripped the planet for their personal survival. I'm not so sure I'd want to be down there in those bunkers with those people anyhow, but my niece, who is basically just a nice ordinary person, will go there because of her children, no question.

Doodah,

If you don't mind me asking, could you elaborate on this family connection? I'm curious as to whether this has just been a known fact that part of the family has their "tickets underground" or if any aspect of this was ever mentioned by anyone in the family. Also, would you mind describing any other revelations you have experienced due to this relationship by marriage?

Thank you,

Anthony

[CdnSirian]

Was playing around with the Hitler parodies, after the Drake parody was so right on, that I thought I would do one for this thread. Sorry, I forgot to change the title before I saved it.

Hope you like it. You can access it HERE (http://meemsy.com/v/2736)Freakin hilarious. Thanks, gripreaper!

Dennis

Yeah! Brilliant!

[Jeffrey]

The Squatter Man (Squatting Man) Petroglyphs | Evidence of the Electric Universe

http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/squatting-squatter-man-petroglyphs-rockart-highenergyzpinchplasmadischarge-forum.jpg

The Squatter Man (Squatting Man or Stick Man) petroglyphs are an image recorded by nearly all races on all the continents back in the day. One day the ancients were painting colour rock art and then, nearly literally, they were painting strange white shapes and figures. Every one started at the same time with the same images. Either all races were in contact with each other or they were all inspired by the same event. The most likely way they could all have seen it was if the event was in the sky.

The discovery that objects from the Neolithic or Early Bronze Age carry patterns associated with high-current Z-pinches provides a possible insight into the origin and meaning of these ancient symbols produced by man. This paper directly compares the graphIcal and radiation data from high-current Z-pinches to these patterns. The paper focuses primarily, but not exclusively, on petroglyphs. It is found that a great many archaic petroglyphs can be classified according to plasma stability and instability data. As the same morphological types are found worldwide, the comparisons suggest the occurrence of an intense aurora, as might be produced if the solar wind had increased between one and two orders of magnitude, millennia ago.

http://www.theplasmaverse.com/pdfs/Characteristics-for-the-Occurrence-of-a-HighCurrent-ZPinch-Aurora-as-Recorded-in-Antiquity-squatter-squatting-man-Anthony-Peratt.pdf

Anthony L. Peratt (http://plasmascience.net/tpu/TheUniverse.html) is a world leading research scientist on high energy Plasma Discharges. Perhaps the leading authority and some Plasma characteristics have been named as Peratt Instabilities (http://www.all-science-fair-projects.com/science_fair_projects_encyclopedia/Anthony_Peratt). He has carried out field research on Petroglyphs (rock art carved into rocks) after noticing the similarity between high energy plasma discharges and the images recorded in rock art and cave drawings by nations all over the world. His conclusion is that the Squatter Man (Squatting Man) was the event that inspired all the images and it was a Plamsa Discharge witnessed by humans on earth.

The Tree of Life image (one of the stages of the Plasma Instability) was seen and recorded in Malta on pottery and carvings showing the Squatting Man and Tree of Life (http://www.everythingiselectric.com/malta/tree-of-life-squatter-man-chi-rho.html).

This is easy to test - look at images of petroglyphs (rock art carved into stone). Wikipedia has some good examples of the stick man like Squatter Man. From the America's, to Australia to Europe everyone saw the same thing in the skies.

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This sample (part 2 of 3) of Symbols of an Alien Sky (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4ZT-IOf0gM) shows the Squatter Man and the plasma discharge. If you can not hand 10 minutes then start around 5 minutes into it when it shows the different types of Squatting Man images from around the world.

Source: http://www.theplasmaverse.com/verse/squatterman-plasmadischarges-petroglyphs.html

[AnthonyBacala]

Guide to building your own faraday cage

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From the creator of the video:

This may well be the best Faraday cage you can make on the cheap and the best Faraday cage at any price. I'm not saying that to brag but I really believe in this design. If you are at all concerned about protecting your electronic equipment from either a man made or solar EMP please consider making a Faraday storage cabinet like this. The cabinet cost me $100, the tape $32 and the aluminum insulation was free. You might be able to make this Faraday cage for less if you stop by construction sites and get left over aluminum insulation and ask for thirteen feet of aluminum duct tape.

Also, in response to the comment on the video's page, "If an emp were to hit, it would be too late to put anything into the cabinet," the video's creator states a good point...

"That is why I keep my things in there all the time and only take them out when I use them."

[AnthonyBacala]

EMP a Real Threat to Hams and the USA

http://www.eham.net/articles/21592




One second after……

One second after what, you may ask? The answer to this question is in the form of a new novel by William R. Forstchen, “One Second After”. I finished reading this best selling novel a few weeks ago and it has caused me to consider my own family survival if the situation that the novel describes takes place in our country.

The novel describes an Electro Magnetic Pulse attack on our country, and the resulting break down of government, society, and all support measures that we currently depend upon.

EMP is shorthand for Electro Magnetic Pulse. It is a rather unusual and frightening by-product when a nuclear bomb is detonated above the earth's atmosphere. We all know that our atmosphere and the magnetic field which surrounds our planet is a thin layer which not only keeps us alive, but also protects us from dangerous radiation from the sun. On a fairly regular basis there are huge solar storms on the sun's surface which emit powerful jets of deadly radiation. If not for the protective layer of our atmosphere and magnetic field, those storms would fry us. At times though, the storm is so power that enough disruptive energy reaches the earth's surface that it drowns out radio waves and even shorts electrical power grids. . .this happened several years back in Canada.

View the detonation of a nuclear bomb, two hundred miles straight up as the same thing, but infinitely more powerful since it is so close by.

As the bomb explodes it emits a powerful wave of gamma rays. As this energy release hits the upper atmosphere it creates an electrical disturbance known as the Compton Effect. The intensity is magnified. View it as a small pebble rolling down a slope, hitting a larger one, setting that in motion, until finally you have an avalanche.

At the speed of light this disturbance races to the earth surface. It is not something you can see or hear, in the same way you don't feel the electrical disturbance in the atmosphere during a large solar storm.

For all electrical systems though, it is deadly. As ham operators and potential emergency responders this represents a huge threat for our mission as communicators in a time of emergency. Any solid state radio hooked to an antenna or even to the AC power line would most likely be fried. This EMP effect would also disable all telephone systems, cell phones, and the entire electricity power grid system. Almost all vehicles made since 1980 would suffer damage to the electrical system and computer control vehicle engine systems. Even more dire, any civilian airplane in the air at the time of the EMP wave would most likely crash due to loss of all electrical control systems.

One second after such an attack, we as a country would be set back to conditions similar to the mid 1850's in a society not able to cope without modern support systems.

Unlike a lightning strike, or other power surge, an EMP surge is “front loaded.” Meaning it doesn't do a build up for a couple of micro-seconds, allowing enough time for the circuit breaker to “read” that trouble is on the way and shut down. It comes instead like a wall of energy, without any advance wave building up as a warning. It therefore slams through nearly all commercial and even military surge protectors already in place, and is past the “safety barrier” and into the delicate electronics before the system has time to react.

Such an attack could be carried out fairly easy by a rogue nation or terrorist group with just two or three very small nuclear warheads exploded above our atmosphere by a small rocket such as North Korea and Iran currently have. The threat is very real and could be carried out by these groups now or in the near future. We as a country are not prepared for this type of attack. Our military and some government sites are hardened for this but the civilian side of life, for the most part, is totally unprotected for this.

What can we do as individuals to protect ourselves and families and also as ham operators our equipment and ability to get on the air to handle emergency communications? I have been researching the Internet for information on EMP and steps you can take to protect yourself and electronic equipment. I have also consulted with several hams, who are retired military and industry experts who have done extensive professional study of EMP. They suggest we store our main radio, or a backup radio, in a metal box, to protect the circuits from an EMP blast. Any modern radio hooked to an antenna and plugged into a power supply will probably not survive the attack even if you have lightening protection on your station already. Interestingly, any older rig with tubes instead of modern solid state would most likely survive if not connected to an antenna or AC power. A simple thing called a “Faraday Cage” is nearly a fool proof protector of electronics from an EMP. Your metal box or screen could be as simple as a metal filing cabinet or box or small wire screen grounded.

We will need alternative power, as the AC will be out for a very long time. Batteries with recharge ability would do. Solar panels to recharge 12 volt batteries will do fine. Small gas generators will do but you must protect them from EMP if they have any computer or electronic control circuits built in them.

You should prepare to survive without any additional food or water sources from existing normal supplies. Also complete cut off of all medically supplies. There will be no grocery store or pharmacy to re-supply you for a very long time after such an attack.

I am not writing this to scare you but to inform you of the possibility of such an event that our country is wide open to an attack. I encourage you to research this topic on your own. Start with Dr. Forstchen's website, http://www.onesecondafter.com/ Other websites with information are: http://www.unitedstatesaction.com/emp_and_faraday_cages.htm

[AnthonyBacala]

1997 Congressional Testimony on the effect of EMP Blasts on the national infrastructure in the House Committess on National Security

http://commdocs.house.gov/committees/security/has197010.000/has197010_1.HTM (THREAT POSED BY ELECTROMAGNETIC PULSE (EMP) TO U.S. MILITARY SYSTEMS AND CIVIL INFRASTRUCTURE)

A long, fascinating, and very revealing read. Here's an excerpt:


The subcommittee is meeting here today to explore in more detail EMP effects on our military systems and the civilian infrastructure, how confident we are that we can predict these effects, our potential vulnerabilities, what policies and practices guide our efforts to protect our systems, and the steps we have taken and can take to ameliorate these vulnerabilities.

EMP can be generated in several ways, but the widest effects are caused by a high-altitude nuclear blast, although we will ask questions about other than nuclear blasts causing EMP. All of us here understand that the threats posed to our military systems and civilian infrastructure by high-altitude EMP are not new. Atmospheric nuclear tests in the 1950's and 1960's revealed a number of then unanticipated results, including electrical and communications disruptions hundreds of miles from the test sites.

There may be, however, new dimensions in vulnerabilities that we need to look at more carefully. In the 1950's, electronic systems used vacuum tubes, not very sophisticated, but resistant to EMP. Today, computers with more and more microcircuits packed into smaller and smaller chips are key to the efficiency of virtually all commerce in the United States. These have much more computing power, but are also much more sensitive to disruption and more easily disabled by EMP. As our reliance grows, so does our potential vulnerability.

Likewise, potential military vulnerability may be growing. The revolution from military affairs has brought with it a much greater dependence on information technologies. The ability to generate raw data, process it into usable form, and communicate information to the right people and systems is critical to military success, yet the sensors, computers and communications assets essential to this revolution could be vulnerable.


For example, 95 percent of our military communications go through commercial channels. Are we confident that EMP will not disable or disrupt these commercial communications systems? How confident are we that the military could continue to communicate effectively if commercial systems were disrupted or completely disabled by EMP? How thoroughly do we protect our weapons systems from EMP? Are we confident they will continue to function?

At the same time our vulnerabilities may be increasing, the subcommittee is worried about complacency in this area. It is true the cold war is over and the threat of a deliberate nuclear attack by Russia is much lower. That does not necessarily mean we have nothing to worry about. The proliferation of nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles continues. If we come into contact with a rogue nation in possession of just a very few nuclear weapons, perhaps just one, our adversary may or threaten to use one of those weapons to blind our military or to damage our economy or that of an ally.

Yesterday we invited the intelligence community to provide us with their most up-to-date material on EMP threats. We received documents that were 10 years old, interestingly enough, written at that time by a member of our staff, who now is an expert with us, Peter Pry, who at that time was with the agency and the expert on EMP.

We understand that no NIE has been issued on EMP since the 1980's, and this is 1997. We also understand that some of our EMP testing sets have been dismantled or are in disrepair.



Mr. PICKETT. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I wanted also to welcome our witnesses here today.

This is an issue that probably has not gotten as much attention as it should have received. I know it is one that concerns everyone in this room and certainly on this committee. EMP is something that has tremendous adverse potential for our Nation as we move more and more into the electronic age.

I welcome the calling of this hearing by you, Mr. Chairman. I think it is way past the time we should have it. I look forward, as you do, to hearing from the witnesses today and also trying to understand what it is we can do from a policy standpoint to improve our Nation's capabilities to deal with this kind of phenomenon.


Dr. SMITH. Thank you very much. The laboratory that I represent is located in Howard County, MD. Before I begin, Mr. Chairman, I would request permission to insert my full testimony into the record and to confine my remarks this morning to just a brief summary.

The Applied Physics Lab operates under about a dozen task order contracts with a number of major sponsors, covering between 200 and 300 separate tasks in any given year. All of our funding is derived from programs. We have no line-item support. About 80 percent of our funding comes from sponsors within the Department of Defense, and about 15 percent from the National Aeronautics and Space Administration. The rest of the funding comes from various Government departments and agencies.

Recently, as you know, Mr. Chairman, Congressman Bartlett asked me to advise him on the subject of this particular hearing, the electromagnetic pulse produced by a high-altitude nuclear explosion, and the implications for defense systems and capabilities and for the civilian infrastructure. My staff has completed a limited assessment based on a review of the literature, an examination of the basic tenets and interviews with responsible and knowledgeable professionals in the field. I am prepared today to present the results of that assessment.

In short, we have found that the phenomenon is very real, as you have already stated, and is well understood by the nuclear weapons effects community; that our strategic systems and their command, control and communications infrastructure have been designed and built to survive and operate effectively in such an environment; that there would likely be pronounced effects on the civilian infrastructure from such a pulse; that the magnitude and extent of these effects is difficult even to estimate; and that it is probably not feasible to completely protect the entire infrastructure from the effects of such a pulse.

In this testimony, I will first consider electromagnetic pulse—or EMP, as it is called—phenomenology, and I will identify specific EMP-related vulnerabilities for ground system components of the civilian infrastructure. My full testimony discusses protection against EMP as well as nuclear threats to space-based elements of the infrastructure. It specifically reviews threat environments and the effects of prompt and delayed radiation exposure on satellite systems.

Due to the limitations of time this morning, I will not address those aspects in these remarks.

To begin with, electromagnetic energy is really invisible energy traveling in waves which is capable of doing useful work. Such energy exists throughout our environment, and the basic property allows such things as radio and television to work in a useful manner. But electromagnetic energy, even at low levels, can disrupt our lives if we are not careful.

For example, if we put a wristwatch too close to an electric motor, it may cause the watch to become magnetized and run erratically. Everyone also knows that computer floppy disks have to be kept away from magnetic fields or they can be erased or damaged.

Figure 1, which my colleague, Mr. Ron Wiltsie, is illustrating, and which is also on page 2 of your copy, shows the basic phenomenology of an EMP event. The detonation of a nuclear weapon produces high energy gamma radiation that travels radially away from the burst center. When the detonation occurs at high altitudes, greater than about 40 kilometers, the gamma rays directed toward the Earth encounter the atmosphere, where they interact with air molecules to produce positive ions and recoil electrons called Compton electrons, after the man who discovered the effect.

The gamma radiation, interacting with the air molecules, produces charge separation as the Compton recoil electrons are ejected and leave behind the more massive positive ions. The Earth's magnetic field interacts with the Compton recoil electrons and causes charge acceleration, which further radiates electromagnetic energy. EMP is produced by these charge separation and charge acceleration phenomena, which occur in the atmosphere in a layer about 20 kilometers thick and about 30 kilometers above the Earth's surface.

The area of the Earth's surface directly illuminated by EMP is determined entirely by the height of burst. All points on the Earth's surface within the horizon, as seen from the burst point, will experience EMP effects as depicted in figure 2, which is on page 3 of your handout. Note that a burst on the order of 500 kilometers in altitude can cover the entire continental United States.

Mr. WELDON. What strength burst would that be?

Dr. SMITH. It is not terribly burst-strength dependent; almost any burst will produce that kind of radiation. The strength of the field will change at the various radii from the burst point, but it will cover the same area regardless of the strength of the burst.

The amplitude, duration and polarization of the wave depend on the location of the burst, the type of weapon, the yield, and the relative position of the observer. The electric field resulting from a high-altitude nuclear detonation can be on the order of 50 kilovolts per meter with a rise time on the order of 10 nanoseconds and a decay time to half maximum of about 200 nanoseconds. It is very fast.

A localized lightning strike, by comparison, 10 meters away, has a higher peak amplitude by about an order of magnitude, but it rises more slowly than the EMP peak, and therefore it may be simpler to protect against.

It is important to point out, however, that the peak amplitude, signal rise rate, and duration of the EMP wave are not uniform over the illuminated area; the largest peak intensities of the EMP signal occur in that region of the illuminated area where the line of sight to the burst is perpendicular to the Earth's magnetic field. At the edge of the illuminated area, that is, farthest towards the horizon as seen from the burst, the peak field intensity will be about half of the maximum levels, and the EMP fields will be somewhat longer lasting than in the areas where the peak intensities are the largest.

The EMP threat is unique in two respects. First, its peak field amplitude and rise rate are high. These quantities depend upon the rate of rise and the energy of the gamma ray output of the weapon. These features of EMP will induce potentially damaging voltages and currents in unprotected electronic circuits and components.

Second, the area covered by an EMP signal can be immense. As a consequence, large portions of extended power and communications networks, for example, can simultaneously be put at risk. Such far-reaching effects are peculiar to EMP. Neither natural phenomena nor any other nuclear weapon effects are so widespread.

Much of what we depend on today would be susceptible to EMP effects, both in the military and civilian infrastructure. An electromagnetic field interacts with metallic conductors by inducing currents to flow through them. A television antenna, for example, is a collection of metal conductors arranged to facilitate the induced current flow in the frequency range allocated for television broadcasting and to transfer the signal to the receiver.

Other conducting structures, such as aircraft, ships, automobiles, railroad tracks, power lines, and communication lines connected to ground facilities, also effectively serve as receiving antennas for EMP coupling. If the resulting induced currents and voltages, which can be large, are allowed to interact with sensitive electronic circuit and components, they can induce an upset in digital logic circuits or cause damage to the components themselves.

Ground facilities, for example, those housing the large computers central to the functioning of our financial systems, are typically nodes in a larger network and are connected to overhead or buried cables for power and communication. They are also connected to buried pipes for water supply and waste disposal and are typically equipped with communication antennas and distributed security systems of various types. All of these features can direct EMP energy into the facility.

Analyses and simulated EMP testing have shown that currents carried to a facility by long overhead or buried conductors can reach thousands of amperes. Shorter penetrating conductors can carry hundreds of amperes into facilities. Direct EMP penetration through the walls and windows of an unshielded building can induce currents of tens of amperes on illuminated interior conductors.

When EMP energy enters the interior of a potentially vulnerable system, it can cause a variety of adverse effects. These effects include transients, resettable or permanent upset of digital logic circuits, and performance degradation or burnout of electronic components. The collected EMP energy itself can cause malfunction or device failure directly, or it can trigger the system's internal power sources in unintended ways, causing damage by the power sources within the system itself.

In summary, EMP introduces two collectively unique features to the overall picture of system susceptibility to nuclear effects. These features, taken together, distinguish EMP from all other forms, both natural and man-made, of electrical stress and response. First, stresses induced by EMP can significantly exceed those ordinarily encountered in system circuits and components and can thereby increase the probability of upset and burnout occurring in electrical and electronic systems. Second, EMP can cause this increase to occur nearly simultaneously over a large area, about one million square kilometers for a high-altitude burst.

These unique features, together with the lack of occurrence of EMP-like phenomena in the normal day-to-day environment, cause great difficulty in attempting to deal with EMP as a normal engineering problem. In particular, EMP can induce multiple, simultaneous upsets and failures over this wide area.

The coverage and levels that would ensue from an EMP attack are well understood. However, the overall effects on specific terrestrial systems are not as well understood. How much of the telecommunications systems would fail and for how long, how much of the power grid would be disrupted and for how long, how many cars would stop and/or would not start are things that are extremely difficult to predict.

However, just consider what would happen if even a small fraction of the cars on the beltway stopped, and expand that to all the roads throughout the country.

It is also clear that the infrastructure, in general, has become more vulnerable to EMP because of the solid state technology proliferation and the increase in more sensitive components.

I hope that I have been able to give you an idea of the phenomenology associated with EMP and the qualitative effects on our civilian infrastructure. This concludes my statement.

[TargeT]

EMP a Real Threat to Hams and the USA

http://www.eham.net/articles/21592




One second after……

One second after what, you may ask? The answer to this question is in the form of a new novel by William R. Forstchen, “One Second After”.

Good book, a bit dramatic; but honestly probably a good guess at what things would be like with a complete loss of the power grid in the US (in a smaller town setting).

the DIY faraday cages are interesting but are they effective against the kind of EMP from a large class X CME? I would get paper back up of pure survival info just in case they aren't.



Kiind of Ironic that we just had an Xclass (1.4) CME shoot right at us, I read it should be here around the 14th...
http://spaceweather.com/images2012/12jul12/20120712_193500_anim.tim-den.gif?PHPSESSID=bl1s55l19dl0nv8qjopgco5ha4


-FLARE! Big sunspot AR1520 unleashed an X1.4-class solar flare on July 12th at 1653 UT. Because this sunspot is directly facing Earth, everything about the blast was geoeffective. For one thing, it hurled a coronal mass ejection (CME) directly toward our planet. According to a forecast track prepared by analysts at the Goddard Space Weather Lab, the CME will hit Earth on July 14th around 10:20 UT (+/- 7 hours) and could spark strong geomagnetic storms. Sky watchers should be alert for auroras this weekend.

http://spaceweather.com/

[AnthonyBacala]

TargeT, I actually just posted that very question on the comments section. If i get a reply, I will post it here.

[Hervé]

Exerpt from http://home1.gte.net/poofalow/moon11.htm

The Puzzle of the Glassy Surface on the Moon: Lunar explorations have revealed that much of the moon's surface is covered with a glassy glaze, which indicates that the moon's surface has been scorched by an unknown source of intense heat. As one scientist put it, the moon is "paved with glass."

[...]

More on this which, in part, solves it:


Nanoparticles Found in Moon Glass Bubbles Explain Weird Lunar Soil Behavior

ScienceDaily (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/06/120613102442.htm) (June 13, 2012) — A stunning discovery by QUT soil scientist Marek Zbik of nano particles inside bubbles of glass in lunar soil could solve the mystery of why the moon's surface topsoil has many unusual properties.


http://images.sciencedaily.com/2012/06/120613102442.jpg

A stunning discovery by QUT soil scientist Marek Zbik of nano particles inside bubbles of glass in lunar soil could solve the mystery of why the moon's surface topsoil has many unusual properties. (Credit: Image courtesy of Queensland University of Technology)


Dr Zbik, from Queensland University of Technology's Science and Engineering Faculty, said scientists had long observed the strange behaviour of lunar soil but had not taken much notice of the nano and submicron particles found in the soil and their source was unknown.

Dr Zbik took the lunar soil samples to Taiwan where he could study the glass bubbles without breaking them using a new technique for studying nano materials call synchrotron-based nano tomography to look at the particles. Nano tomography is a transmission X-ray microscope which enables 3D images of nano particles to be made.

"We were really surprised at what we found," Dr Zbik said.

"Instead of gas or vapour inside the bubbles, which we would expect to find in such bubbles on Earth, the lunar glass bubbles were filled with a highly porous network of alien-looking glassy particles that span the bubbles' interior.

"It appears that the nano particles are formed inside bubbles of molten rocks when meteorites hit the lunar surface. Then they are released when the glass bubbles are pulverised by the consequent bombardment of meteorites on the moon's surface.
"This continuous pulverising of rocks on the lunar surface and constant mixing develop a type of soil which is unknown on Earth."

Dr Zbik said nano particles behaved according to the laws of quantum physics which were completely different from so called 'normal' physics' laws. Because of this, materials containing nano particles behave strangely according to our current understanding.

"Nano particles are so tiny, it is their size and not what they are made of that accounts for their exceptional properties.

"We don't understand a lot about quantum physics yet but it could be that these nano particles, when liberated from their glass bubble, mix with the other soil constituents and give lunar soil its unusual properties.

"Lunar soil is electro-statically charged so it hovers above the surface; it is extremely chemically active; and it has low thermal conductivity eg it can be 160 degrees above the surface but -40 degrees two metres below the surface.
"It is also very sticky and brittle such that its particles wear the surface off metal and glass."

Dr Zbik said the moon had no atmosphere to cushion the impact of meteorites like Earth had.

"When they hit the moon there is a very violent reaction. Huge temperatures are generated which melts the rock. The pressure goes and a vacuum is created. Bubbles occur in the molten glass rock like soft drink bubbles trying to escape the bottle.

"Our work now is to understand how those particles evolve from this process. It may also lead us to completely different way of manufacturing nanomaterials."
Dr Zbik and his research team's study was published in the International Scholarly Research Network Astronomy and Astrophysics.

To find out more and also view a 3D image from inside the lunar bubble using transmission X-Ray microscopy go to http://youtu.be/omRoS2SntMU . You can see what is inside the lunar bubble with 3D glasses.


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[RMorgan]

Kiind of Ironic that we just had an Xclass (1.4) CME shoot right at us, I read it should be here around the 14th...


Hey mate,

X1.4 is not too much of a trouble.

X6.0 or higher, shooting directly at us, is where the problem begins.

Cheers,

Raf.

[Jeffrey]

They are saying nanoparticles, is that another way of saying cosmic dust?

[TargeT]

Kiind of Ironic that we just had an Xclass (1.4) CME shoot right at us, I read it should be here around the 14th...


Hey mate,

X1.4 is not too much of a trouble.

X6.0 or higher, shooting directly at us, is where the problem begins.

Cheers,

Raf.

yeah, but still coincidental that the thread would be on this topic and right as I replied I saw that on space weather, most CME's miss us, bad trend if SOL is getting better at "Kentucky windage" (if ya know what I mean...)

[Hervé]

They are saying nanoparticles, is that another way of saying cosmic dust?

That's what I would be inclined to consider.

[Jeffrey]

Where Are All the Deep Underground Military Bases? (Part 2)

By Dr. Richard Sauder
With Commentary By Shepard Ambellas & Alex Thomas
theintelhub.com
April 17, 2012

(This is Part 2 of an ongoing and exclusive underground base series with excerpts from the book Hidden in Plain Sight provided to theintelhub.com by the publisher, including commentary by Shepard Ambellas and Alex Thomas.)

Read part 1, “Nazi Engineers, Secret U.S. Military Bases, and Elevators To The Subterranean and Submarine Depths.” (http://theintelhub.com/2012/04/10/nazi-engineers-secret-u-s-military-bases-and-elevators-to-the-subterranean-and-submarine-depths-part-1/)

In the continental USA there are numerous underground bases. I will briefly list just some of the bases that my research has uncovered over the last 17 years. There are assuredly many more than those listed here.

Maryland





■ Camp David, the Presidential retreat, is immediately adjacent to Catoctin Mountain Park. On the surface there are some cabins and lodges, and conference rooms for Presidential use. But most of this facility runs like a labyrinthine anthill under Catoctin Mountain, just west of Thurmont, Maryland, along Rte. 15 between Frederick, Maryland and Gettysburg, Pennsylvania.

The facility is operated and maintained by the U.S. Navy Seabees. The U.S. Marines provide military security. I have spoken to an individual who used to work there on a classified maintenance contract.

My source informed me that the underground portions of Camp David are so extensive and elaborate, and there are so many miles of secret tunnels, that it is doubtful that any one person would have a complete map of the facility in his or her mind.

In other words, we hear or read the words, Camp David, in the mainstream news media, but understand virtually nothing of what really happens there, or what the full nature of the installation really is.

Commentary from Alex Thomas: The fact that they have moved the G8 meetings to Camp David indicates that G8 nations may be actually doing their most important meetings within the underground base near Camp David.

■ Fort Meade, near Laurel, Maryland, midway between Washington, D.C. and Baltimore, Maryland. My research, from a variety of sources, indicates that there is a huge underground maze beneath Fort Meade.

Fort Meade is operated by the U.S. Army, but the National Security Agency (NSA) has its largest, publicly known operations center there. The NSA has literally acres upon acres of super computers underground at Fort Meade, stacked level upon level, going down and down and down, like a gargantuan subterranean stack of hi-tech digital pancakes.

The NSA is notorious for the ECHELON spying program and other unconstitutional spying activities. It is something like a high-tech KGB or Stasi surveillance agency, spying on the American population’s electronic and digital communications.

■ FEMA alternate underground command center, off of Riggs Road, not far from Olney, Maryland, to the north of Washington, D.C. When I visited the place back in the 1990s, only a few shabby, almost dilapidated looking buildings were visible through the security fence.

A few vent pipes poked above the ground here and there. There were a few largish antennae and radio masts visible. The casual onlooker would probably just drive right by, unaware that the real activity was taking place below ground.

I spoke with one man who had been in the facility and he described a multi-level base crammed full of sophisticated electronic gear. He had been to level seven underground, but did not know if the base extended deeper than that, or whether it was connected via deep tunnels with other underground bases in the region.

■ Site R, also known as Raven Rock or the Underground Pentagon, is about 6 miles north-northeast of the Camp David facility, not far from the Maryland-Pennsylvania state line. This enormous facility is the alternate underground command center for the Pentagon.

In recent years Dick Cheney reportedly spent a lot of time underground at Site R. I have heard that Site R and Camp David are connected by underground tunnels, and I am inclined to believe the rumors are true.

Site R is now under the command of Fort Detrick, in Frederick, Maryland, to the northwest of Washington, D.C.. Fort Detrick is the U.S. Army’s infamous biological warfare research facility.

Virginia





■ Mount Weather, near Bluemont, Virginia on Rte. 601, is the major underground command center for the Federal Emergency Management Agency. FEMA has a 400 acre complex on the surface of the mountain. The underground base is very large, and actually qualifies as a high-tech, subterranean town. This base dates to the 1950s.

■ The Pentagon, in northern Virginia, the national military command center, across the Potomac River from Washington, D.C.. The Pentagon was built directly on the site of Robert E. Lee’s former plantation.

I have been told that there are multiple underground levels beneath the Pentagon. I don’t know how deep the complex goes, but elsewhere in this book I discuss plans dating to the 1960s to build a very deep base at the 3,500 foot level. I consider it likely that something like this has been done.

■ U.S. Army Warrenton Training Stations A and B, in the near vicinity of Warrenton, Virginia are ostensibly U.S. Army facilities. But in reality, my research showed that there is a CIA presence there. As for what sorts of operations take place there – who knows? I visited these places in June of 1992 and found Station A on Rte. 802; Station B is on Bear Wallow Road.

There are also Stations C and D elsewhere in the region, which I did not visit. In the course of my research, I called up Col. Fletcher Prouty, the well-known author of the book, The Secret Team.

For many years, at the height of the Cold War, Prouty was a liaison officer for the Air Force, helping the CIA with its clandestine activities worldwide. I surmised that if anyone ought to know something about what was going on at Warrenton it should be Fletcher Prouty.

So I put the question to him point blank, and asked him what the CIA was doing underground at a U.S. Army training installation in Warrenton, Virginia. To begin with, he confirmed that the CIA was indeed present in Warrenton, and was using the U.S. Army as a cover.

I asked him what was going on underground. He responded, “Well, you have to understand that that gets into the realm of Special Operations and that’s classified.” And that was all that I could pry out of him. I suspect the entire locale is tunneled out underground.

The palpable Alice in Wonderland aura exuded by the Warrenton U.S. “Army” Training Stations continues to linger in my memory, even with the passage of 17 years.

■ Before leaving Virginia, I also want to say something about another low profile CIA facility. Camp Peary is located just a few miles from Colonial Williamsburg. It is sometimes referred to as “The Farm” in popular parlance.

Though it is hard to find out much about the base, enough is known to say with confidence that Camp Peary is the CIA’s main training and operations base in the USA. As with the Warrenton Training Stations, the CIA uses a thin U.S. military cover at Camp Peary; in this case, maps indicate that Camp Peary is a U.S. Navy Reservation.

I am a native Virginian, from the Tidewater region, and spent my early childhood in a community just 20 miles away from Camp Peary. In the 1970s I attended the College Of William & Mary, in Colonial Williamsburg. Camp Peary lies just to the east of the town of Williamsburg, on the northern side of Interstate Highway 64. I have driven past the place numerous times over the years and it has always seemed darkly brooding to me.

Camp Peary lies on the York River; immediately to the southeast lies the U.S. Navy’s Cheatham Annex, a major weapons supply depot for the U.S. Navy’s Atlantic Fleet, part of the Yorktown Naval Weapons Station. This interests me, because many years ago I spoke with a woman whose father worked at the Cheatham Annex/Yorktown Naval Weapons Station complex in the years after World War II.

He was a construction worker, and at that time, about 60 years ago, the U.S. Navy was building a facility deep below the water line. The whole site lies only a few feet above sea level, so the water table is very close to the surface. The Navy used high powered water pumps to instantly pump out the brackish ground water that was rushing in, to keep the excavation from filling with water.

My acquaintance told me that her father said they used a fast setting concrete. She did not know the purpose of the facility. The instructive part of the story is that even then, 60 years ago, military engineers had the capability to construct facilities below the water line, using high powered pumps and quick setting concrete.

Moreover, the Navy’s Cheatham Annex lies immediately adjacent to the CIA’s secretive Camp Peary base, nominally administered by the U.S. Navy. Considering the Navy’s construction activities 60 years ago, and recalling that the Camp David Presidential retreat in Maryland is also administered by the U.S. Navy and lies above a major underground base hidden beneath it, I conclude that there is a high probability that the Camp Peary/Cheatham Annex area along the York River is underlain by an underground complex, too.

Washington, D.C.





■ The White House has a very large, deeply buried facility underneath it. One of my close friends was taken down into this facility during the Lyndon B. Johnson administration in the 1960s. She entered an elevator in the White House and was escorted straight down.

She believes that the elevator went down 17 levels. When the door opened underground she was escorted down a corridor that appeared to disappear to the vanishing point in the distance. Other doors and corridors opened off of that corridor. That was what Washington, D.C. was really like underground almost half a century ago.

■ My research indicates that Washington, D.C. has a veritable labyrinth of tunnels beneath it. Some of the tunnels are publicly known, such as the Metro tunnels and the underground train tunnels that members of Congress use to travel from their office buildings to the Capitol building.

As I discuss elsewhere in this book, I have been told and read stories of other tunnels that are more secret. In light of the available evidence, I incline to the view that these stories contain an appreciable degree of truth.

Texas





■ Medina Annex, at Lackland Air Force Base, in San Antonio. This facility lies in southwest San Antonio, on the south side of Rte. 90, immediately west of the junction of Interstate 410 and Rte. 90. This is one of the original Q Areas built by the Pentagon back in the late 1940s and 1950s for the storage and assembly of nuclear weapons.

Local lore has it that the underground portion is very large. I have been told that the underground base is very deep and cold, for whatever reason. The National Security Agency (NSA) also has a major presence at the Medina Annex with thousands of personnel. I have on occasion driven by the Medina Annex on Rte. 90 and the base has a very dark, ominous presence.

■ Camp Bullis, in northwest San Antonio, Texas, not too far from Interstate Highway 10. This is an Army training base, immediately adjacent to neighboring Camp Stewart, another Army base that keeps a much lower profile. I have been told that the Camp Bullis/Camp Stewart reservation is the site of an underground base.

■ Fort Hood, near Killeen, Texas, 70 miles north of Austin. This was also the site of one of the original Q Areas. I have been told that the area of Fort Hood, and the former Killeen and Gray Air Force Bases, are the site of a secret underground complex. I communicated with one ex-Fort Hood soldier whose duty area was at a checkpoint two miles inside a tunnel leading to an underground area, near the former Gray Air Force Base.

Nebraska





■ Offutt Air Force Base has had a major underground facility for decades. During the Cold War it was the underground command center for the Strategic Air Command. George Bush flew there for protection on Air Force One during the 9/11 attacks.

New Mexico





■ Since the late 1940s there has been a major underground base at Kirtland Air Force Base. The base is beneath a foothill of the Manzano Mountains. It was originally constructed as a super-secure nuclear weapons assembly and storage facility for the military.

Today the base is used by other agencies. The Air Force has built another, state of the art, facility for nuclear weapons storage at another location at Kirtland AFB. The Department of Energy’s Sandia National Laboratory is immediately adjacent to Kirtland Air Force Base, on the southeast border of Albuquerque.

I talked with one of the men who helped to build the Manzano base in the years after World War II. He spent his entire career as a hard rock miner for federal agencies, working on underground projects all over the western USA. While excavating the Manzano base, security was extreme.

The miners were blindfolded when they were transported to and from their work site. When they were taken from the area where they were working to another part of the facility they were always blindfolded. The practical result of this procedure was that not even the miners who built the underground base knew its layout.

All they ever saw was the immediate chamber or tunnel section they were currently working on. It was a strictly compartmentalized project in every sense of the word. I suspect that this facility has been expanded over the years.

■ Los Alamos is one of the U.S. Department of Energy’s national research laboratories, to the west of the state capitol of Santa Fe. I have been informed that the underground work space beneath Los Alamos is even greater in extent than the sprawling surface facility, reaching as much as one mile deep in its farthest reaches.

Two of the main missions of Los Alamos are nuclear and genetic research. Presumably classified projects related to these fields are among the secret activities carried out underground.

■ White Sands Missile Range, in south-central New Mexico, is the largest military base in the USA. It was the site of the first test explosion of an atomic bomb in 1945. White Sands was the launch site for test firing of captured Nazi V-2 rockets after the military defeat of the Third Reich.

Today it is still an operational military missile range, and also serves as an alternate space shuttle landing site for NASA. Underground facilities beneath White Sands are reportedly devoted to cutting edge research in lasers and conscious super-computing. The sum of my research strongly indicates a major underground component at White Sands. Nothing would surprise me where White Sands is concerned. Nothing whatsoever.

Nevada





■ The notorious Area 51 of UFO fame and the Tonopah Test Range/Nevada Test Site/S-4/Nellis Air Force Base reservations in southern Nevada are all in relatively close proximity to each other.

My research and sources point to major, massive underground facilities in this region. A great deal of ultra-sensitive military R&D takes place here. Much popular lore has arisen around the theme of captured UFOs held in secret by the American military at Area 51.

In my estimation, these stories are probably true. Ryan Wood and other researchers have accumulated a great deal of evidence over the years that indicates that American military agencies are lying and that they do have captured UFOs. Area 51 is reportedly one of the places where this sort of technology is sequestered and studied. It is my informed guess that White Sands Missile Range in New Mexico is another site for the study and R&D of exotic technologies.

Colorado





■ Cheyenne Mountain, near Colorado Springs, was the major underground command center for NORAD during the Cold War. It is a very deep, highly secure base.

While Cheyenne Mountain is still in use, most of NORAD’s daily operations have now been switched to Peterson Air Force Base in Colorado. This underground base has been featured in many motion pictures and television programs.

■ The Denver Federal Center, on the western edge of the Denver metropolitan area is the location of a FEMA underground command center. Many people are concerned about the Denver airport as being the site of an alleged underground base, but for my money the Denver Federal Center installation is more important.

Tennessee





■ Naval Support Activity Mid-South is a huge U.S. Navy base, in Millington, Tennessee just 21 miles north of Memphis. It is an enormous facility, covering thousands of acres. I have been told that there is a deep underground facility beneath this base.

Remember that the U.S. Navy operates and maintains Camp David, which is also the site of a major underground facility.

California





■ China Lake is a massive U.S. Navy R&D reservation in eastern California that has long been rumored to be the site of a major underground base.

While I can offer no direct proof, short of taking a live video crew underground to take a look around, the bulk of my research comes down on the side of a massive complex beneath the China Lake Naval Weapons Center, along Rte. 395, in the general vicinity of the town of Ridgecrest.

■ Reported massive, very deep underground installations are said to run out of Nevada and into eastern California. So much of the region is controlled by Federal departments and agencies, whether the Pentagon, Department of Interior, Department of Agriculture, Department of Energy, or unknown agencies, as in the case of Area 51, that that entire area of the country is essentially one large Federal Government Multi-Agency Reservation.

Numerous military bases sprawl across the landscape, and then there are National Forests, National Monuments, and other lands under Federal control. This provides the Feds with the opportunity to move almost any necessary personnel and equipment around without attracting undue attention.

Commentary from Shepard Ambellas: The very idea of underground bases has fascinated me ever since I was a kid. In fact, I lived near an area in which I believe a deep underground/undersea base is located.

My general consensus is not based off speculation, rather it is backed by major observation and collaborating encounters of others in the area.

Many close friends and local people in the area including myself had experienced strange phenomenon.

On several occasions I, and others I know, witnessed (what I believe to be) possible secret government “Black Craft” technology (as mentioned by the late Phil Schneider during presentations he gave exposing the New World Order’s covert activities before he was allegedly murdered), such as the TR-3B triangle craft.

At this time I will not go into detail of an extremely close encounter myself and others had with a massive craft, but I will divulge the location.

Naval Submarine Base Bangor, Washington State in my opinion serves as a massive underground/undersea hub for black bag projects.

An excerpt from global security.org reads:



In June 2004, SUBASE Bangor merged with Naval Station Bremerton. The new command was named Naval Base Kitsap.

The U.S. Naval Submarine Base (SUBASE), Bangor is located on the east shore of Hood Canal. The pier facilities of the base are located along two nmi of waterfront. The primary berthing facilities at SUBASE Bangor consist of four separate pier complexes: “KB” Docks, Delta Pier, Marginal Pier, and Explosive’s Handling Wharf. Trident submarines berth at Marginal Pier South and at Delta Pier North and South. They also use the Explosives Handling Wharf and the drydock on Delta Pier. According to harbor authorities, submarines are rarely nested, and when they do, are nested only for a day or two. Pier decks have a nominal height of 20 ft above mean lower low water. Alongside water depths vary from 45 ft at Marginal Wharves North and South, to 60 to 115 ft at the Delta Piers.

The primary berthing facilities at SUBASE Bangor consist of four separate pier complexes: “KB” Docks, Delta Pier, Marginal Pier, and Explosive’s Handling Wharf. Trident submarines berth at Marginal Pier South and at Delta Pier North and South. They also use the Explosives Handling Wharf and the drydock on Delta Pier. According to harbor authorities, submarines are rarely nested, and when they do, are nested only for a day or two. Pier decks have a nominal height of 20 ft above mean lower low water. Alongside water depths vary from 45 ft at Marginal Wharves North and South, to 60 to 115 ft at the Delta Piers.

No anchorages exist at SUBASE Bangor. Mooring buoys for barges are available near the KB docks. SUBASE Bangor has a complement of three 2,000 hp YTB tugboats and a twin-screw 1,600 hp commercial tug. Local authorities state that pilots are used for all submarine arrivals at Bangor. Pilots can be picked up at any point in the area from Foul Weather bluff at the entrance to Hood Canal southward to off Bangor, as requested. If a submarine commanding officer has passed through the Hood Canal Bridge once, a pilot is optional on departures. If tug assistance is required, pilotage is mandatory

Southwesterly winds directly impact Bangor’s dock facilities due to the orientation of Hood Canal. Winds are amplified as they are funneled northeastward through the canal by the orientation of the canal with respect to the adjacent topography. Operations at the Explosives Handling Wharf, Delta Drydock, and the Magnetic Silencing Facility will cease if wind velocities reach 25 kt. Wind alone is not a problem for moored submarines, but it does cause waves to wash over their hulls.

The KB Docks are used by small craft from the Naval Undersea Weapons Engineering Station (NUWES) at Keyport. Bangor harbor pilots state that lines are doubled and dead-man lines and buoys are used to prevent excessive motion of moored vessels during periods of strong southwesterly winds. Most vessels are moored on the inboard side of the piers, but YTT’s (torpedo recovery boats – 135-140 ft long/1,600 tons) moor to the outside of the piers and are exposed to whatever conditions exist in Hood Canal.

The only identified hazard at SUBASE Bangor is a strong southwesterly wind funneling through Hood Canal. Because of their low hull profile, wind does not pose a direct hazard to submarines. It can, however, impact the ability of tugs to work alongside submarines. It would also affect the operations of small craft and YTT’s from NUWES Keyport utilizing the KB Dock complex. Anytime winds approach 50 kt, the Hood Canal Bridge is closed to auto traffic and kept in an open position to reduce wind stress on the bridge structure. The floating bridge was partially destroyed by winds/waves on February 13, 1979 during an extremely strong wind storm.

The southwest berth of Delta Pier and the KB docks experience four to six ft swell during periods of strong (up to 60 kt) winds. As long as access hatches on submarine hulls are closed, the waves do not pose a direct problem to submarines. However, if tugs are alongside a submarine, wave motion may cause the tugs to pitch up and down with potential damage to the submarine hull. To preclude such damage, normal tug operations are suspended in strong wind situations.

I will be doing a massive in depth article on this base and some of the phenomenon in the area as an addition to this exclusive underground base series provided by Dr. Richard Sauder.

I encourage anyone to comment regarding the locations provided in the article (in the comments section).


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This list should give you a brief idea of what is under our feet. I am sure that there are many more facilities than those I have just discussed above.

Please take due notice that many of these installations are gargantuan. An expert source once described to me an excavated underground space he was familiar with that was inside a mountain: it was approximately 1,000 feet high, 600 feet wide and 1,000 feet long.

He wanted to give me an idea of the state of the art in hard rock, underground excavation. I was impressed, as I suspect you would be too.

We are faced with a global system that is so secretive and so wildly out of control that the vast majority of us have no earthly clue as to what is going on, on this, the planet that we inhabit.

The Elevator to the Sub-basement

During the course of my research I have spoken to several people who allege to have been escorted down into secret or highly secure underground facilities. A long, deep elevator ride is a common feature of their accounts.

Right about here, I imagine you are thinking to yourself: “How deep do the elevators go?”

The short answer is that the documentation in the open literature suggests that the answer would be anywhere from hundreds to thousands of feet, based on the capabilities of high-rise elevators built by companies such as Otis and ThyssenKrupp.

The testimony of the people I have spoken with comports well with that information. I have also run across softer, undocumented information from time to time that suggests that some facilities go even deeper, several or even many miles deep.

I have little interest in doing an exhaustive survey of the elevator literature, but let me provide you just a few brief ideas of the state of the art in that industry.

Keep in mind that an elevator system that is installed in an interior elevator well and goes to the top of a high building could just as easily be installed in a vertical shaft that goes straight down underground. Multiple elevators could be staggered on multiple levels to go down and down, as deeply as you desire. The same technology can be used in either case, whether you are going up, or down.

Otis Elevator Co. announced plans in 2002 to install high speed Skyway elevators in the new 880 foot tall Eureka Tower in Melbourne, Australia, that rise at 1,800 feet per minute.

Otis also planned to install its innovative Gen2 flat belted elevator hoist system on the same project, that utilizes a permanent magnet machine, which is quieter and takes up less space than the traditional elevator machine room.8

Another article I encountered referred to a “mile-high, multidirectional elevator being developed for Otis Elevator Co. for use in extremely tall buildings of the future.”
Obviously, if a company can develop a mile-high elevator, it can also develop a mile-deep elevator. Toshiba /G.F.C. Elevator installed two high-speed elevator cars in the Taipei 101 tower that zoom up to the 89th floor observation deck at an ear-popping 3314 feet per minute.

That will give you a little idea from the open literature of how fast and how high modern elevators can go – very high and very fast!

As I dug into the elevator literature a little more I happened to read a book by Jason Goodwin about the Otis Elevator Company. The book is entitled, Otis: Giving Rise to the Modern City.

I did not know who Mr. Goodwin was until I read his book, but I quickly came to understand that he is an extremely knowledgeable man in the field, having worked for Otis in a variety of important positions for 37 years, and then having formed his own elevator consulting company after his retirement form Otis.

I read the book carefully and I found out a few interesting things for my research:




1. Elevators can be located in, and I quote verbatim: “…the legs of a deep-sea oil production or oil production platforms, and in many other extraordinary locations.”

2. There are very large platform “lifts for extremely special applications” that may use a variety of lifting technologies, including “screw jacks.”

3. And in a very brief summary at the conclusion of his most informative book, Mr. Goodwin briefly mentions the elevators “that are never mentioned but are needed to service the extensive infrastructures that make the cities run – the power plants, refineries, factories, and underground facilities (my emphasis).

Amen brother, underground facilities and the elevators that service them. That is what this book is about. Mr. Goodwin doesn’t really elaborate about that topic to any appreciable extent. But to his credit he does indeed mention elevators that service underground facilities beneath the nation’s cities.

His mention of the “extremely special applications” that require large platform lifts instantly caused me to reflect on David Adair’s description (elsewhere in this book) of a mammoth, football-field-sized platform elevator supported by huge screws the size of giant sequoia tree trunks that took him underground at Area-51 in Nevada.

As for the mention of elevators in the legs of giant oil production platforms, and in “many other extraordinary locations,” the implications for access to manned undersea bases is clear. The Gulf of Mexico and North Sea are dotted with myriad oil production platforms, with their legs sunk into the seabed.

Any of those platforms could potentially serve as an entry point to the sub-seafloor environment via elevators in their legs, which would permit personnel to travel to the platform and then travel down below the seafloor. I strongly suspect this is the case in some instances.

In his book, Alien Contact, Timothy Good mentions a NORAD offshore platform in the Gulf of Mexico that superficially resembles an oil production platform, but is not in reality an oil platform. The mission of the strange platform seems to be to serve as a sort of monitoring station to watch the air space of the USA for UFO activity.

Of course, this begs the question as to how many ostensible offshore petroleum production platforms are not really oil rigs at all, but only resemble oil platforms as they perform other functions entirely? How many such cases are there? Only the oil companies and major governments would know the answer to that.

The average person absolutely lacks the means to ascertain those facts. But thanks to Jason Goodwin’s book, we know that oil platforms have elevators in their legs. Please note that Mr. Goodwin is not alleging that elevators in oil platform legs can go below the seafloor and access undersea, manned installations.

That is a conclusion that I am drawing from the available evidence. I am not saying that every offshore oil production platform has elevators in its legs that access the sub-seafloor environment. However, it is clear that some platforms certainly could serve in this way as entry points to manned, undersea installations.

Source: http://theintelhub.com/2012/04/17/where-are-all-the-deep-underground-military-bases-part-2/

[Carmody]

gah.
the day we start relying on bruisch's word is a sad one. i'm not calling him crazy. i'm saying he's probably not honest. and the venom his website spits out about project camelot is just atrocious.

again, not crazy. more than likely a liar.

:twitch:

and this should be taken into account. it should be. the way this man, or more appropriately, his handlers, conduct themselves in the public eye should be taken into account when listening
to.
anything.
they.
say.

just because a few dots line up, doesn't mean we have a picture. doesn't mean we should trust the dots.

the internet is big, isn't it possible mr. deacon read up on mr. bruisch and made it coorelate?
and lets not forget, mr. bruisch also wasn't the first to bring up this theory, and the term j-rod was being used years before he ever said any of the things he probably didn't do.

let's stop believing these people, folks ...

Say what you will, but Burisch's descriptions of Looking glass and Yellowbook are -scientifically speaking- ......spot on.

As for mines and depth, and their size of excavated cavities...I have a relative who worked in one of the world's biggest and deepest, for about 4 years. Over 7000 feet down.

They were not using insulation techniques, they were using air flow techniques. Simply due to costs, IIRC.

The mining tunnels are not meant for permanent habitation.

We have expensive to implement ,make, and produce in volume 'insulation materials' that would alleviate much of the issues that he dealt with. over 90% of the thermal issues, in fact. EASILY so. over 95% of the thermal issues cured, permanently.... would be a safe guess.

In a permanent install, with the best 'finished build' techniques in use....the heat (running or continual) removal costs would be rather low. high priority with regard to implementation and maintenance, but not difficult. Just expensive.

And when it comes to military and government work, those two words or issues (difficult/expensive) mean virtually nothing. Consider it done.

thus, after a few installs, techniques and methods would be stable and normalized, and thus costs would drop as efficiency and build quality went up.

I mean..hell... I can figure out what needs to be done. What I'm trying to say, is that it is no great stretch to get to a deep install, of humungous size....with permanent habitation and near zero thermal issues.

Logistics and money only......as all the solutions exist, and are in the open literature and science, as existing items.

[Carmody]

Here's a simple known one, at 7000 ft down.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNOLAB

Floor space: 77,636 ft²/7215 m²

Volume: 1,647,134 ft³/46648 m³


SNOLAB is a Canadian underground physics laboratory at a depth of 2 km in Sudbury, Ontario in Vale's Creighton nickel mine. The original Sudbury Neutrino Observatory (SNO) experiment has ended, but the facilities have been expanded into a permanent underground laboratory.

SNOLAB is the world's deepest underground lab facility; the deeper Kolar Gold Fields experiments ended with the closing of the mine in 1992,[1] and the planned DUSEL laboratory is not expected to begin construction before 2012.[2]

Although accessed through a dirty commercial mine, the laboratory proper is maintained as a class-2000 cleanroom, with very low levels of dust and background radiation. The 6800 ft (2070 m) overburden of rock provides 6010 metres of water equivalent (MWE) shielding from cosmic rays, providing a low-background environment for experiments requiring high sensitivities and extremely low counting rates.

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[Jeffrey]

Excerpts from: http://www.viewzone.com/expandox.html

Has the 2012 Doomsday Begun Already?

© 2011 By Gary Vey

Has "doomsday" begun already?

The horrific earthquake and nuclear meltdown in Japan has shaken the world. There's a discussion ensuing on the internet that the "2012 Doomsday" has begun. It seems appropriate to write about this, since everything else pales in significance. So we dare to ask, "Has the doomsday finally begun?"


Editor's Note: I know that attention spans on the internet are short. I will therefore tell you that, yes, I believe a kind of doomsday has begun and it is caused by a cyclical interaction between the Earth and the Sun. I will attempt to explain this as best I can later in this article. It's only a theory for you to consider and I strongly advise viewzone readers to do your own research.

In researching this story I considered some of the most popular prophets of doom on the internet. I've written about them before, but I will describe them again for those who are new to this sort of thing.

The "Time Wave" Theory of Doomsday

Terrence McKenna was a genius who focused his vast intellect on the I-Ching (among many other complex issues), an ancient Chinese system for predicting future trends. His "discovery" was that, hidden in the structure of the I-Ching, there was a fractal pattern of time that could describe the events of human civilization in terms of routine and novel life. Routine life was when civilization copes well and makes quick adjustments to their changing world. This is contrasted by novelty, when civilization struggles to cope with unfamiliar circumstances.

McKenna produced a graph that plotted these trends over time. He called this graph the "Time Wave" and he noted that the graph ended in maximum novelty on the traditional doomsday, December 21, 2012.

We first reported about McKenna's Time Wave Theory (http://www.viewzone.com/timewavex.html), in the Spring of 2010 and noted that some pivotal event was predicted to occur in early July when routine life plateaued. This was believed by many to be the "beginning of the end" for humanity. But this never happened. Another significant date was November 11th of that year when the Time Wave dropped sharply, plunging to the depths of novelty. But that also failed to prove significant.

So, in light of the catastrophe in Japan on March 11th, we thought we'd see how the Time Wave plotted this particular disaster -- certainly a novel event for almost everyone in the Pacific area. The chart below shows the Time Wave predictions.

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OK. Unless something dramatic happens with the Japanese nuclear meltdown on March 23rd, it's pretty much a bust. Anyone who knows about McKenna will also be aware that he consumed many hallucinogenic substances and wrote extensively about psychedelics. Does that figure in his obvious miscalculations? Maybe. We'll have to see.

Clif High's Web Bot Program

The Web Bot is a computer program that scans the internet and looks for subtle changes in language, how certain words are used, and analyses this information to predict certain trends in our changing human culture. The web bot has been able to predict the future so well that the it has been used by economists and stock traders with a good to excellent rating.

I've written about the web bot (http://www.viewzone.com/webot.html) for viewzone before. I became interested when the program's designer, Clif High, started applying his linguistic analysis to social phenomenon and natural disasters. Clif publishes a series of quarterly predictions that foretell "doomsday" in some detail.

Clif High has quite a following. But that following dropped precipitously when he linked doomsday to the BP Gulf oil disaster back in 2010, and even more so when his "Israeli Mistake" -- a nuclear disaster resulting from Isreal's raid on the nuclear facilities in Iraq -- didn't happen.

Clif was quiet for a while and many thought he was finished with his predictions. But he had one last bit of future insight up his sleeves -- the "Expanding Earth Theory". It's not a new theory, and it's not Clif's. But he did always mention some linguistic clues about a "Sun disease" that, in hindsight, mesh with this doomsday theory and could save his credibility. Let's take a look.

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What about that DOOMSDAY?

So if the earth was smaller in the past, and is growing larger every year, how does this figure into the doomsday scenario?

According to Clif High, the reason that Earth grows in size has to do with what's inside of it. He suggests that the core of the planet is not made of molten iron, as the Plate Tectonics theory proposes. Clif considers the new plasma paradigm that is rapidly winning over astrophysicists as the basic substance of the universe -- slowly but surely pushing aside the gravity model to explain how things are made and held together.

Plasma is the fourth state of matter (different from solid, liquid and gas) and it's everywhere in the universe. Plasma has unusual properties that explain how matter is created from pure energy. While we may not yet understand these properties, the existence of matter in the plasma universe is proof that it is so. That same process is supposedly going on inside our planet -- new matter is being created from streaming plasma that comes from our Sun and possibly other sources such as Gamma Ray Bursts [10].

But wait... there's more!

This stream of plasma doesn't just trickle through the solar system. NASA has detected a portal through which our Sun's magnetic field connects directly to Earth's magnetic field about once every eight minutes.[11] While that could account for the average yearly increase in matter, there's something even more significant. Our Sun has cycles of 11,500 to 12,000 years where it ramps up its blasts of plasma, sending huge vollies of energy in the form of Coronal Mass Ejections and flares that rapidly increase the Earth's expansion. [12] And, according to Cliff High, we have just entered one of these cycles.

We've written about this cycle in the past (see The Last Doomsday (http://www.viewzone.com/endtime22x.html)) in some detail. It's real and based on sound scientific evidence. We'll be writing more about this in our next installment of this series which will discuss the superwave theory developed by Dr. Paul Laviolette.

Our previous speculation was that a powerful solar blast would produce atmospheric disturbances and fry electrical circuits on Earth -- bringing us back to the pre-electric, pioneer days. We failed to see the link between seismic disturbances -- earthquakes, tsunamis and floods -- until Cliff made the Expanding Earth connection. The 9.0 quake in Japan reinforced this link.

Mega-Flares and X-Flares




"Over the last 48 hours, ten (10) M-Class flares have fired off from at least three separate sunspot regions. Space Shuttle was put on alert and lands safely prior to elevated solar activity ... Forty-eight hours after the first set of flares, a 7.2 mag. earthquake hit Japan setting off a small tsunami. Ten hours later, a series of "straight-line winds" along with several tornadoes hit the southeastern United States."

Then, the next day, this report came from the Space Weather Observatory:




Space Weather News for March 10, 2011
http://spaceweather.com
X-CLASS SOLAR FLARE: March 9th ended with a powerful solar flare. Less than an hour before midnight (UT), Earth-orbiting satellites detected an X1.5-class explosion from behemoth sunspot 1166. First-look data suggest that the blast did hurl some material toward Earth. Check spaceweather.com for movies of the flare and updates on its possible effects.

Then, on March 11, 2011, the unprecedented 9.0 earthquake hit Japan causing a massive tsunami that killed an estimated 16,000 people. Coincidence?

Pole Shift Madness

For a while here on viewzone we have been hearing from readers who believe that the crust of the Earth will slip around the mantle, re-arranging the continental plates and causing what is curiously referred to as a "pole shift". This is a theory that was put forth by Charles Hapgood (again, we have written about this HERE).

The most popular version of this doomsday scenario has a rogue planet -- planet-X -- entering the solar system and disturbing the gravity of our planet. This prediction features most prominently on Nancy Lieder's website "zetatalk.com" and has an international following. Nancy claims to receive her information from grey aliens called "Zetas" who have the star system Zeta Reticuli as their origin and communicate with her telepathically.

While one could spend considerable time debating her predictions, the following information seems to bear witness against her. First, the typical "Grey" alien made popular by Whitley Strieber in his book Communion is not a Zeta. The term "Zeta" originated from the UFO encounter with Betty and Barney Hill back in the 1960s. According to Betty Hill, she was shown a star map of the alien's home planet which she later drew under hypnosis. Analysis of this drawing showed that it was remarkably similar to the star system we call Zeta Reticuli, thus the name. But the aliens that Betty described looked nothing like the big-eyed, grey skinned aliens depicted by Strieber. In fact, Betty was asked outright in an interview if she met the Greys and she emphatically said "No!" Her abductees -- the real Zetas -- were more human like in appearance.

Then there is the problem with planet-X. This has its origins in the rogue planet first described by Zecharia Sitchin in The Twelfth Planet. This wandering giant supposedly has an orbit of 3600 years around our Sun and periodically enters the vicinity of Earth, causing gravity problems and tidal waves. The flood of the Bible and the Sumerian legend of Utnapishtam is supposedly related to one of its more recent passages near our planet. Nancy Lieder relies on this planet -- called "Nibiru" by Sitchin -- to trigger her pole shift doomsday. But before he passed away, Sitchin was asked specifically about Nancy's prediction and whether this planet could be involved in a 2012 doomsday scenario. Sitchin totally distanced himself from her predictions stating that Nibiru was still 1200 years away in its outer orbit.

And lastly, there is the belief that pole shifts have happened in the past, giving credence to the validity of Nancy Lieder's predictions.

As we have discussed in this article, core samples were taken on both sides of the mid-Atlantic ridge to determine the age of the oceanic crust. These samples also revealed the direction of the earth's magnetic field when they were created. These core samples go back millions of years and show that the earth has never had its crust oriented to a different magnetic pole (other than those times when the poles naturally reversed polarity), nor has the Earth's crust ever been displaced by a so-called pole-shift. Totally busted!

We will write more stories about predictions in the coming weeks. For now, it looks like the problems we will encounter -- or are currently already experiencing -- are from our Sun, coupled with our own human ineptness in relying too much on vulnerable technologies.

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Dr. Paul LaViolette's Galactic Super Wave Theory

Although he does not inject himself in to the 2012 controversy, Dr. Paul LaViolette has developed a theory that seems to explain many aspects of the "doomsday" scenario. These ideas were once considered "out there" by many scientists, mainly because they portrayed a world view that was full of apparent chaos and destruction. But in the last decade, his work has been validated -- often by his former critics -- and scientists are now realizing that chaos and destruction are endemic in the universe [7].
We've written about Dr. LaViolette before. Rather than sending readers to another page, we'll recap some of our highlights here in this article. We'll focus mainly on how this new understanding of our universe can literally impact our Sun, and in turn, our planet. Here's the story:

Glazed donuts on the Moon

Let's begin back in the 1960s with the Apollo 11 manned landing on the moon. On one of their EVA's (extra-vehicular activities), the astronauts photographed and took samples from some small craters, about 20cm to 1.5 meters across. When they examined the floors of these craters they noticed what looked like glazed donuts. These were actually chunks of moon dirt that were coated by glass.




The glazed areas are clearly concentrated toward the top surfaces of protuberances, although they exist also on some sides. Points and edges appear to be strongly favored for the glazing process. In some cases, droplets appear to have run down an inclined surface for a few millimeters and congealed there.

Hardly anyone in the general public was made aware of this discovery and, even if they were, thay could hardly have realized the significance.

But in 1969, an article in Science by T. Gold [1] proposed a theory of how they were made. Glass, as we know, is made from melting sand. It occurs naturally near sources of high temperature, such as volcanos and meteor impacts. The atom bomb tests in New Mexico's White Sands area produced a small "lake" of glass at ground zero. So it was never a question about the lunar glass also having been created by something very hot.

The fact that the glaze was confined to small patches, 0.5 to 10mm, suggested to scientists that the surface had been zapped rather than slow-cooked. And the likely source of this zap was our Sun. Gold estimated that the solar luminosity would have had to increase by 100 times what it is normally, for a duration of from 10 to 100 seconds.

Also, because of the lack of debris or dirt covering this glass, it must have occurred within the last 30,000 years. This made Gold propose that the Sun -- our Sun -- does this every 10,000 years or more. He suggested that future research should look for a "trigger" event -- possibly a large comet or asteroid impacting the surface of the Sun. He estimated this would only have to be 100 km and weigh 3 x 1021 grams.

Decades passed and this theory didn't receive much attention. Then, as it often does, the theory got a fresh look by a genius, Dr. Paul LaViolette. He was not satisfied with the source of the glass being caused by a solar blast, mainly because the output would have had to be on the scale of a nova, not just a flare. He envisioned another possibility.

LaViolette envisioned a large solar flare or coronal mass ejection (CME) that would become magnetically entrapped in the Earth's magnetosphere. The magnetosphere would then hold on to this fireball of radiation like a magnetic thermos bottle, allowing the Moon and Earth to be exposed for a duration of time long enough to really "flash bake" their surfaces.

Critics quickly denounced Gold's propositions citing evidence of "cosmic dust" and rare elements in the lunar glass and concluding that the heat source was from a meteor impact.

But LaViolette proposed that this cosmic dust was likely present on the surface of the Moon during the time it was melted into the glass. In fact, he proposed that the entire solar system was full of this cosmic dust at the time of this solar eruption. He was vindicated when polar ice cores showed unusual cosmic dust deposits at strata marking the end of the last ice age [4]. This time period, about 12,950 BCE [10], approximates the current age of the Moon glass and the intense heat that must have produced it. So where did all this cosmic dust come from?

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Like Earth, our entire solar system has its own atmosphere, called the heliosphere. This "bubble" surrounds the Sun and planets as it travels through galactic space. Like our earth's magnetosphere, the movement of the heliosphere creates a rounded "head" and a narrowing "tail" (called the heliopause). Actually, it's more egg shaped (see above). Until recently, astronomers believed that our solar system was a region relatively free from cosmic dust. The cosmic dust and frozen material of space were kept outside this protective bubble.

This was confirmed when the IRAS and Ulysses spacecrafts showed infrared images of the solar system, surrounded by whispy clouds of cosmic dust that increase in density just beyond Saturn.

So if the cosmic dust is surrounding the heliopause, what would make it suddenly enter the heliosphere and how would this coincide with huge solar flares? LaViolette envisioned something disrupting the heliosphere from the outside, impacting it and drawing cosmic dust inside with it and energizing the Sun. The energy of such an impact would be immense. The most logical place to look for such enormous energy was the Milky Way Galaxy.

The smoking gun

Examining the shape of the cosmic dust clouds, the IRAS satellite team reported that the cloud was tilted relative to the solar system's ecliptic -- the narrow plane containing our planets. LaViolette realized that this odd alignment tracked back to the Galactic center. This was quickly verified by NASA's Ulysses spacecraft and New Zealand's AMOR space radar observatory. Whatever caused the last ice age to end, the Sun to flare up and caused the glass to form on the Moon, came from the center of the Milky Way Galaxy. The plot was getting more interesting.

Astronomers have known about intense radiation from space since the 1970s. Multiple bursts of powerful gamma rays were routinely detected and believed to originate from stars in the Milky Way. Assuming this energy originated locally, astronomers concluded this type of gamma ray burst was insignificant and harmless. Then, in December 1997, they had the technology and good luck to catch a strong gamma ray burst and track it. The source was not inside the Milky Way Galaxy. It was from a distant galaxy billions of light years away.

A review of other bursts showed that their assumptions had been wrong. All of the gamma ray bursts they were observing were from other galaxies far, far away. The amount of energy coming from objects so distant was a real shock. No one had ever imagined such powerful bursts could be generated by galactic centers. The thought of a burst coming from our own Milky Way galactic center was abysmal. A burst of the same intensity as the 1997 event, originating from inside the Milky Way, would deliver 100,000 time the lethal dose of radiation, killing every life form that was exposed. Could that really happen to us?

This question was answered on August 27th, 1998 when an unusual 5 minute gamma ray pulse was located just 20,000 light years away in the constellation of Aquila. This may sound like a huge distance, but to astronomers this is just "next door." The Milky Way Galaxy, for example, is just 100,000 light years from end to end and Earth is just 23,000 light years from our Galaxy's center.

The 1998 event was close enough and strong enough to ionize Earth's upper atmosphere, damage a couple of spacecraft and disrupt global communication. Since then astronomers place gamma ray bursts from the Galaxy's core at the top of the list of things we don't want to happen.

Before Aquila, scientists just feared exploding stars -- novas and supernovas. Now things are different. It's like living in a ghetto and fearing drive-by shootings and random bullets. Then one day you learn that there's a nuclear bomb down the street, waiting to explode

Ancient warnings from past experience

The Hopi are an Native American Indian tribe who have not sold out or assimilated in our modern culture. They view themselves as the "keepers of the truth" about our purpose and place in the universe. Anyone who has ever visited their small reservation in Arizona has experienced how private they are -- forbidding photographs or copies of their art and culture. For centuries they have kept an oral tradition which describes human history in terms of "worlds" -- successive eras which end in natural disasters, culling humanity and initiating a rebirth of civilization.

According to their teachings, the Hopi describe three prior worlds. We are currently in the fourth world, about to enter the fifth.

The Hopi elder, White Feather, of the spiritually important Bear Clan, describes nine different signs signaling the end of this Fourth World. Some believe all but the last sign has already happened. The final warning is as follows:




"And this is the Ninth and Last Sign: You will hear of a dwelling-place in the heavens, above the earth, that shall fall with a great crash. It will appear as a blue star. Very soon after this, the ceremonies of my people will cease." --www.burlingtonnews.net/hopiprophecy.html

In Dr. LaViolette's scenario of the Galactic SuperWave, the explosion emanating from Galactic nuclear bulge, would make its initial appearance as a flood of cosmic ray electrons that would illuminate the dust clouds normally obscuring the Galactic center. As seen in many other galaxies, this would appear as a glowing blue light. The appearance of the "blue star" would signal the arrival of a shock wave which would counter the solar wind and bring the surrounding cloud of cosmic dust inside our solar system. This would initially energize the Sun, causing it to throw off flares and coronal mass ejections which would undoubtedly impact Earth (and the Moon). But eventually the cosmic dust would obscure the Sun's light, reminiscent of other predictions:




"When he opened the sixth seal, I looked, and behold, there was a great earthquake, and the sun became black as sackcloth, the full moon became like blood... -- Revelations 6:12

This cloud of cosmic dust would plunge the Earth into a cold climate fairly quickly. What forms of life that did not die from radiation and heat would surely struggle to keep going in a dark and cold world.

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But wait... Theres more!

The problem with understanding the cyclic periodicity of solar "doomsdays" derives from the fact that our Sun is travelling through a local and galactic environment. Within the arm of stars and interstellar gas and dust, our solar system is moving through many different densities of space.

Just recently astronomers discovered that a strange phenomenon called a "cosmic ribbon" was in the path of the heliopause -- the bubble that encloses the solar system. The mystery was solved when the IBEX satellite revealed that the "ribbon" was the boundary of a blob of gas about 10 light years across with a temperature of 7000 degrees kelvin. No worries, though. We're already inside of this one, called the "local interstellar cloud" and the heliopause protects us pretty well.

But the local cloud is itself inside something called the "Local Bubble" which is much larger and hotter. How hot? It's over a million degrees kelvin... and we're heading straight at it.

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[above] The Sun traveling through the Galaxy happens to cross at the present time a blob of gas about ten light-years across, with a temperature of 6-7 thousand degrees kelvin. This so-called Local Interstellar Cloud is immersed in a much larger expanse of a million-degree hot gas, named the Local Bubble. (Vivek: Maybe no bowshock.)

The ribbon that astronomers first noticed is actually the boundary where the Local Interstellar Cloud ends and the Local Bubble begins. It's a strange region full of energetic neutral atoms (ENA). These atoms are born out of ions (protons) speeding from the very hot Local Bubble when they exchange charge with the relatively cool atoms "evaporating" from the Local Interstellar Cloud. The newly created ENA have no electrical charge and therefore can dash freely in straight lines from their birth site, oblivious of the impeding magnetic fields. Some of them reach Earth orbit and are detected by IBEX.

What possible effect will the ENA have on our Sun? We'll discuss some strange new particles already coming from our Sun's core that could not only impact the Earth, but could even alter our DNA...

Is the Sun emitting a new particle?

In previous discussions in this series, we have shown how scientists are reluctant to let go of paradigms. That's not necessarily a bad thing. It forces new thoeries to provide a better explanation of how things work and cautiously advances our knowledge and understanding of the universe.

One of the basic paradigms in modern physics has to do with atomic decay. This refers to the action whereby unstable atoms shed particles in their nucleus to make them stable. We know much about this decay and about which kinds of atoms shed which types of particles. We even know how long it takes for a certain mass of unstable atoms to shed these particles. This is known as the rate of decay and it is considered to be very stable and predictable. But we don't know precisely when this decay will happen. It's always random.

A chunk of radioactive cesium-137, for example, may decay at a steady rate overall, but individual atoms within the chunk will decay in an unpredictable, random pattern. Thus the timing of the random ticks of a Geiger counter placed near the cesium might be used to generate random numbers...

...In Part 1 of this series, we explored the Expanding Earth Theory. Perhaps the main objection voiced by skeptics is how any solar radiation, such as plasma, could penetrate the Earth's core and actually transform matter. I think the phenomenon described in this article reveal that such an occurrence is not only possible, but is likely already a reality.

Plamsa contains neutrinos, as well as other types of radiation. Since they can pass through the planet, they can certainly have an effect on the core. As we have seen with the atomic decay anomalies, this effect can transmute matter -- causing atoms to become different elements. This anomaly appears to be something that occurs in cycles related to solar activity. Since we are in one of the most predicted active solar cycles we may well expect some epic changes here on Earth.

These same changes may also be happening in our bodies, which contain numerous unstable atoms. Are we in a state of transformation that will not only effect our planet -- but our species as well?

Continue reading here: http://www.viewzone.com/expando33.html

[Jeffrey]

The US Military is Stocking Up On a Massive Amount of Anti-Radiation Pills In Preparation for Nuclear Fallout

April 2012




The US Military is currently seeking a large amount of potassium iodide, this according to a listing on the FBO.gov website by the Defense Logistics Agency.

In the listing it is made clear that they want to be ready in the event of nuclear fallout which has lead many to speculate that this could be in response to the Fukushima nuclear disaster or perhaps in anticipation for an attack on an active Iranian nuclear facility.

The DLA is apparently looking for upwards of 400,000 dollars worth of the thyroid protecting tablets at a time when many government officials have openly told American citizens NOT to buy potassium iodide.

Full Article: http://theintelhub.com/2012/04/11/the-us-military-is-stocking-up-on-a-massive-amount-of-anti-radiation-pills-in-preparation-for-nuclear-fallout/

Another possibility that the article failed to consider is fallout after generators fail at the plants (if a huge CME fried the grid).

[Jeffrey]

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[Jeffrey]

How a Cloud of Space Dust Could Wipe Out Life on Earth
Seemingly innocuous specks could throw off the whole solar system—and we might not see them until it's too late.

by Jeffrey Winters

From the Whole Universe special issue; published online December 30, 2008


In the 1980s, scientists looking for an astronomical explanation for large-scale extinctions that seem to occur regularly in the fossil record dreamed up Nemesis, a dim companion star to the sun that would swing by every 32 million years to disturb the Oort cloud and rain death on Earth. No one found any evidence of such a star, and the theory is now largely discarded, but if there is a free-range Nemesis in Preston’s data, it would have to be a star named Gliese 710. Right now it’s an ordinary-looking, dim red star 63 light-years off, but it is racing toward us so that in a mere million years it will be just three-quarters of a light-year from the sun—roughly 1,000 times farther out than Pluto but well inside the Oort cloud. To be sure, this prediction is based on some pretty rough estimates, and it may turn out to be wrong. But even if Gliese 710 misses us, it’s fairly likely that some other star out there is headed our way. Even a near miss of the Oort cloud by a passing star might be enough of a gravitational tug to redirect some comets toward the inner solar system; Gliese 710, by current estimates, will pass right through.

Preston hastens to add that this near miss probably won’t cause too much disruption. A slow-moving star that lingers close to the Oort cloud would have time to deflect lots of comets our way. Gliese 710, by contrast, will streak by quickly, thus disturbing fewer comets. But don’t relax too much: A closer, more destructive pass could be waiting to be discovered.

Aside from rogue stars, there are plenty of other things in the galactic neighborhood we can barely see that can be just as bad for our health. Brown dwarfs, stars too small to keep their nuclear fires burning, cool off over time and become difficult to detect. Although brown dwarfs have a mass more like Jupiter’s than like the sun’s, if one of them passed through the Oort cloud it could still send plenty of comets our way. Astronomers have found hundreds of brown dwarfs within just 100 light-years of us but know distressingly little about the total number of them out there.

Then there is the stuff between the stars. We tend to think of interstellar space as utterly empty, and with good reason. A cubic inch of liquid water on Earth contains 10 trillion trillion molecules; in the interstellar medium that surrounds the solar system, one needs to search one cubic inch to find just one or two atoms. Put another way, to attain the emptiness of interstellar space, a shot glass full of water would have to expand to fill a volume 2,500 miles on a side.

The interstellar medium is mostly hydrogen and helium, peppered with heavier atoms, a few molecules, and some dust—pretty benign stuff, on the whole. Even if something harmful should drift along, we get ample protection from the solar wind, an outward-flowing stream of electrically charged particles that extends from the sun for billions of miles, forming what’s called the heliosphere. Since the solar wind is electrically charged, it carries a magnetic field, which wards off much of the interstellar medium, including cosmic rays, the charged particles that streak across space at great speeds.

Probes of the outer solar system, especially the long-lived Voyager and Ulysses spacecraft, have sampled traces of the interstellar medium that managed to seep through the heliosphere, but most of what we know about the medium comes from looking at the way it blocks light. Atoms in interstellar space absorb certain frequencies of starlight; by finding what light from any given star is “missing,” astronomers can figure out how much gas there is between us and that star. What this number, called a column density, won’t tell you is just how this gas is distributed—is it thinly spread out over 10 light-years or is it bunched into a tight knot? So astronomers find the column density of the gas between us and another star, and another. They also carefully study the frequencies of light the gas absorbs, looking for signs of a shift in wavelength that would be a clue that the gas is moving toward us or away from us. By taking the column density of gas between us and many stars in the same general direction and by looking for telltale shifts in the absorption spectrum, astronomers can surmise where a cloud of gas and dust lies, how thick it is, and in what direction it is moving.

As astronomers have gained access to better spectrographs, including one on the Hubble Space Telescope, they have built up a crude three-dimensional map of our locale. It appears that for most of the last 5 million years we have been sailing through what is, even for the rarefied interstellar medium, empty space. But that happy state of affairs could change. One nearby cloud is less than 1 trillion miles away—just 250 times the distance to Pluto. Even if the cloud is on the thin side, it can still contain relatively dense and potentially destructive wisps of gas.

At present speeds, we can expect to collide with this cloud momentarily, in cosmic terms—in about 2,500 years. Then again, some small, dense wisp may be sitting undetected between us and this big cloud, in which case there will be a collision even sooner. Although this is not at all likely, nobody really knows.

We probably would not discover such a dense cloud until we ran right into it, says Gary Zank, an astronomer at the University of Alabama in Huntsville. Zank has developed one of the first models that incorporate discoveries about the interstellar medium to predict what will happen when the solar system runs into a big, bad cloud. At present, the edge of the heliosphere holds up a dense sheet of gas, what astronomers call the “hydrogen wall.” In essence, instead of flowing around stars like water past a stone, some of the gas and dust bunches up against stellar winds like vast snowdrifts. Zank’s models show that if we were to plow into a cloud a mere 100 times denser, the leading edge of the heliosphere would begin forming an incredibly large wall, one too heavy for the solar wind to hold back. “The effect is pretty rapid,” Zank says. “If you ran into a sharply defined interstellar cloud, the solar wind would shrink very quickly.” In a decade the hydrogen wall, now thought to be four to five times as distant as Pluto, would crowd in between the orbits of Saturn and Uranus.

Although the solar wind should still keep most interstellar gas and dust from reaching Earth, according to Zank, at least some would get to us. The effect on Earth’s climate could be disastrous. If the cloud were dense enough, hydrogen atoms might flow into the atmosphere and react with oxygen, depleting our vital atmospheric gases.

The cloud would also make us more vulnerable to cosmic rays by compressing the heliosphere until its boundary lay just beyond Jupiter’s orbit. Ripples in the heliosphere’s magnetic field protect us by slowing and redirecting incoming rays much the way a warehouse full of pillows would stop all but the most powerful bullets. “If you remove several rooms full of pillows,” Zank says, “many more bullets will get through.” There would also be more bullets in total: Cosmic rays would ricochet between the boundaries of the soupy cloud of gas and the heliosphere until they picked up enough energy to escape. At least some of them would head our way. The only line of defense left to us would be Earth’s meager magnetic field. Overall, Zank says, the number of cosmic rays hitting our atmosphere would skyrocket.

A sharp rise in cosmic radiation would be troublesome, to say the least. Cosmic rays wreak havoc on the internal electronics of satellites and threaten the health of astronauts. When cosmic rays smack into atoms in our upper atmosphere, they release showers of gamma rays, X-rays, or subatomic particles. At present, radiation caused by cosmic rays is one of the largest sources of natural radiation exposure. It is unclear what biological effects doubling or tripling it would have.

Would a doomsday cloud be survivable? It’s hard to say. Earth probably passed through such a cloud at some point in the distant past. If it happened in the last 100,000 years, it might be possible someday to extract traces of its effects from deep within the polar ice caps. Life may well have weathered this kind of challenge before.

The galactic forecast, though, is not good. Virtually every corner of the sky is filled with some tale of woe. There are supernovas and black holes and gamma-ray bursts. Old stars are coming unglued on the way to becoming white dwarfs—and astronomers confidently predict that in 5 billion years the sun will be an old star. If any of our descendants escape that catastrophe, they will be able to see another, far greater one looming overhead: the Andromeda galaxy, which just might slam into the Milky Way some 6 billion years from now, to who knows what effect.

It is one tough universe out there.

Source: http://discovermagazine.com/2008/whole-universe/30-how-a-cloud-of-dust-could-wipe-out-life-on-earth/article_view?b_start:int=1&-C=

[Dennis Leahy]

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Gee, I wonder why Colorado is the new CIA headquarters.

Dennis

[Jeffrey]

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Gee, I wonder why Colorado is the new CIA headquarters.

Dennis

I was particularly interested in Colorado as I'm not too far from there. Based on that map, the D.U.M.B. there, and the mountains - it's a fortress.

[Jeffrey]

http://www.robertschoch.com/articles/schochgobeklitepenewdawnsept2010.pdf

http://www.robertschoch.com/articles/schochvitrificationnewdawnspecialissuesept2010.pdf

http://www.robertschoch.com/articles/schochancientwarningnewdawnjuly2010.pdf

Robert Schoch's website: http://www.robertschoch.com/

Plasma, Solar Outbursts, and the End of the Last Ice Age (http://www.robertschoch.com/plasma.html)

[TargeT]

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Gee, I wonder why Colorado is the new CIA headquarters.

Dennis

I was particularly interested in Colorado as I'm not too far from there. Based on that map, the D.U.M.B. there, and the mountains - it's a fortress.

Nuclear sites & radiation seem to not be an issue (at least not anywhere near what we've been told)

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46819-A-video-they-won-t-want-you-to-see--Galen-Winsor-nuclear-scam-

So at least that "fear" can be set aside.

[Jeffrey]

Ancient Sites & Solar Changes with Robert Schoch on Coast to Coast AM.

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2012/03/19