From Bill Ryan -- the Ultimate Hypothesis

[Hervé]

How a Cloud of Space Dust Could Wipe Out Life on Earth
Seemingly innocuous specks could throw off the whole solar system—and we might not see them until it's too late.

by Jeffrey Winters

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Well, since we already are in the middle of a "litl'" one which is in the middle of a bigger one; I have some reservations as to the interpretations given to all these "ifs."

[Jeffrey]

Military Hush-Up: Incoming Space Rocks Now Classified

by Leonard David, SPACE.com's Space Insider ColumnistDate: 10 June 2009 Time: 05:35 PM ET

For 15 years, scientists have benefited from data gleaned by U.S. classified satellites of natural fireball events in Earth's atmosphere – but no longer.

A recent U.S. military policy decision now explicitly states that observations by hush-hush government spacecraft of incoming bolides and fireballs are classified secret and are not to be released, SPACE.com has learned.

The satellites' main objectives include detecting nuclear bomb tests, and their characterizations of asteroids and lesser meteoroids as they crash through the atmosphere has been a byproduct data bonanza for scientists.

The upshot: Space rocks that explode in the atmosphere are now classified.

"It's baffling to us why this would suddenly change," said one scientist familiar with the work. "It's unfortunate because there was this great synergy…a very good cooperative arrangement. Systems were put into dual-use mode where a lot of science was getting done that couldn't be done any other way. It's a regrettable change in policy."

Scientists say not only will research into the threat from space be hampered, but public understanding of sometimes dramatic sky explosions will be diminished, perhaps leading to hype and fear of the unknown.

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Full Article Here: http://www.space.com/6829-military-hush-incoming-space-rocks-classified.html

[AnthonyBacala]

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Gee, I wonder why Colorado is the new CIA headquarters.

Dennis

I was particularly interested in Colorado as I'm not too far from there. Based on that map, the D.U.M.B. there, and the mountains - it's a fortress.

I just returned from a 2 week stay in Northern Colorado, bouncing around between Ft. Collins, Denver, and Boulder. One of the things I noted while I was there was the friendliness--something I am used to coming from the South (Louisiana). I told my brother, who moved to Ft. Collins at the beginning of this year that he was in the perfect place if the proverbial **** hits the fan. This map confirms that. As long as you can manage a way to make it through the fierce winters, in the event of a grid collapse, you are in a prime location for communities working together, and helping one another through any rough roads ahead.

[gripreaper]

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Gee, I wonder why Colorado is the new CIA headquarters.

Dennis

I'll bet if you were to juxtapose earthquake activity on this map, you would also find the same rocky mountain corridor to be virtually earthquake free. So, it's probably just a coincidence that the backup command center for the entire US government, along with the largest underground facility, is in Colorado.

Ya think?

[Jeffrey]

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The image shows a scenario presented by a study participant of extreme space weather that leads to a partial, wide-spread collapse of the U.S. electric power grid with enormous consequences for the affected population. Improvements in space weather forecasting, public awareness and infrastructure preparedness can mitigate the effects.


NASA-Funded Study Reveals Hazards of Severe Space Weather

A NASA-funded study describes how extreme solar eruptions could have severe consequences for communications, power grids and other technology on Earth.

The National Academy of Sciences in Washington conducted the study. The resulting report provides some of the first clear economic data that effectively quantifies today's risk of extreme conditions in space driven by magnetic activity on the sun and disturbances in the near-Earth environment. Instances of extreme space weather are rare and are categorized with other natural hazards that have a low frequency but high consequences.

"Obviously, the sun is Earth's life blood," said Richard Fisher, director of the Heliophysics division at NASA Headquarters in Washington. "To mitigate possible public safety issues, it is vital that we better understand extreme space weather events caused by the sun's activity."

Besides emitting a continuous stream of plasma called the solar wind, the sun periodically releases billions of tons of matter called coronal mass ejections. These immense clouds of material, when directed toward Earth, can cause large magnetic storms in the magnetosphere and upper atmosphere. Such space weather can affect the performance and reliability of space-borne and ground-based technological systems.

Space weather can produce solar storm electromagnetic fields that induce extreme currents in wires, disrupting power lines, causing wide-spread blackouts and affecting communication cables that support the Internet. Severe space weather also produces solar energetic particles and the dislocation of the Earth's radiation belts, which can damage satellites used for commercial communications, global positioning and weather forecasting...

Full Article Here: http://www.nasa.gov/topics/solarsystem/features/spaceweather_hazard.html

[Jeffrey]

Copy and pasted from Kerry Cassidy's Blog:




CMEs and X Flares

People reporting CMEs and X-Flares etc from the sun need to wrap their minds around this:

Whereas this info has been out there for some time... it becomes more important now that we are entering this time. The following has been verified by at least 2 sources...

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..."If I can, I will answer questions about the mechanism of event progression.

Please elaborate

The Interstellar cloud we are entering (as a solar system) changes a simple model CME discharge event into a more continuous process.
The CME will act as a trigger or switch.
The Intertellar (magnetic cloud) can support a continuous ion flow between "connected" bodies, this phenomena would be orders of magnitude beyond a simple CME discharge."

"..The magnetic flow (cloud) will make the 'ether' much more conductive, so energy will be flowing like crazy, instead of just merely on the normal currents it flows through now. So it makes the EMP effect, not only massive, but pretty much all consuming. And, due to the solar system being submerged in this magnetic could, it will make the EMPs somewhat continuous."

.."And according to Anthony L. Perrat as I posted in the emails (plasma physicist in Los Alamos Nuclear facility) a dense plasma has already entered our solar system."

--from Mike Philbin and others/ fragments from ..../ 36272983the-coming.pdf available at Scribd: http://www.scribd.com/doc/36272983/The-Coming (http://mikephilbin.blogspot.com/)

Source: http://projectcamelotproductions.com/blog/january2012.html

[Jeffrey]

Excerpt from: http://www.rexresearch.com/prophist/phf3.htm#PHF317

According to a vision received by Johann Friede (1204-1257), an Austrian monk of the Order of St. John, several extraordinary phenomena will give warning that the present order of civilization is about to end:

"When the great time will come, in which mankind will face its last, hard trial, it will be foreshadowed by striking changes in nature; the alteration between cold and heat will become more intensive, storms will have more catastrophic effects, earthquakes will destroy greater regions and the seas will overflow many lowlands. Not all of it will be the result of natural causes, but man will penetrate into the bowels of the earth and will reach into the clouds, gambling with its own existence. Before the powers of destruction will succeed in their design, the universe will be thrown into disorder, and the age of iron will plunge into nothingness. When the nights will be filled with more intensive cold and the day with heat, a new life will begin in nature. The heat means radiation from the earth, the cold the waning light of the sun. Only a few more years and you will become aware that sunlight has become perceptibly weaker. When even your artificial light will cease to give service, the great event of the firmament will be near.

"The nebula of the Greater Bear will arrive in the vicinity of earth... and will fill the space of five hundred suns at the horizon. It will more and more cover up the light of the sun until the days will be like nights at full moon. The illumination will not come from the moon, but from Orion, which constellation, by the light of Jupiter, will send forth its rays on the Greater Bear and will dissolve its nebula with the force of light.

"By this time mankind will be stricken with terror. Birds will be like reptiles and will not use their wings. Animals of the ground, in fear and alarm, will raise such a clamor that it will make human hearts tremble. Men will flee their abodes in order not to see the weird occurrence. Finally, complete darkness will set in and last for three days and three nights.

"During this time, men, deprived of the power of light, will fall into a slumber-like sleep from which many will not awaken, especially those who have no spark of spiritual life. When the sun will again rise and emerge, earth will be covered with a blanket of ashes like snow in winter, except that the ashes will have the color of sulfur. Damp fog will ascend from the ground, illuminated by igneous gases.

"Of mankind there will be more dead than there have been casualties in all wars. In the abodes of the children of light, the Book of Revelations will be read, and in the palaces of the Church they will await the arrival of the great comet. On the seventh day after the return of light, earth will have absorbed the ashes and formed such a fertility as has not been experienced ever before. But Orion will cast its ray on the earth and show a path toward the last resting place of the greatest and most eminent man who had ever lived on the earth. The survivors will proclaim his ancient doctrine in peace and will institute the millennium, announced by the Messiah in the light of true brotherly and sisterly love for the glory of the Creator and for the blessedness of all mankind."

[AnthonyBacala]

Excerpt from: http://www.rexresearch.com/prophist/phf3.htm#PHF317

According to a vision received by Johann Friede (1204-1257), an Austrian monk of the Order of St. John, several extraordinary phenomena will give warning that the present order of civilization is about to end:

"When the great time will come, in which mankind will face its last, hard trial, it will be foreshadowed by striking changes in nature; the alteration between cold and heat will become more intensive, storms will have more catastrophic effects, earthquakes will destroy greater regions and the seas will overflow many lowlands. Not all of it will be the result of natural causes, but man will penetrate into the bowels of the earth and will reach into the clouds, gambling with its own existence. Before the powers of destruction will succeed in their design, the universe will be thrown into disorder, and the age of iron will plunge into nothingness. When the nights will be filled with more intensive cold and the day with heat, a new life will begin in nature. The heat means radiation from the earth, the cold the waning light of the sun. Only a few more years and you will become aware that sunlight has become perceptibly weaker. When even your artificial light will cease to give service, the great event of the firmament will be near.

"The nebula of the Greater Bear will arrive in the vicinity of earth... and will fill the space of five hundred suns at the horizon. It will more and more cover up the light of the sun until the days will be like nights at full moon. The illumination will not come from the moon, but from Orion, which constellation, by the light of Jupiter, will send forth its rays on the Greater Bear and will dissolve its nebula with the force of light.

"By this time mankind will be stricken with terror. Birds will be like reptiles and will not use their wings. Animals of the ground, in fear and alarm, will raise such a clamor that it will make human hearts tremble. Men will flee their abodes in order not to see the weird occurrence. Finally, complete darkness will set in and last for three days and three nights.

"During this time, men, deprived of the power of light, will fall into a slumber-like sleep from which many will not awaken, especially those who have no spark of spiritual life. When the sun will again rise and emerge, earth will be covered with a blanket of ashes like snow in winter, except that the ashes will have the color of sulfur. Damp fog will ascend from the ground, illuminated by igneous gases.

"Of mankind there will be more dead than there have been casualties in all wars. In the abodes of the children of light, the Book of Revelations will be read, and in the palaces of the Church they will await the arrival of the great comet. On the seventh day after the return of light, earth will have absorbed the ashes and formed such a fertility as has not been experienced ever before. But Orion will cast its ray on the earth and show a path toward the last resting place of the greatest and most eminent man who had ever lived on the earth. The survivors will proclaim his ancient doctrine in peace and will institute the millennium, announced by the Messiah in the light of true brotherly and sisterly love for the glory of the Creator and for the blessedness of all mankind."

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Also of interest is her interview on the Shadow government WAY IN 1996!!!

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[ThePythonicCow]

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More details, maps and images can be found in this report: http://www.midwestreliability.org/00_events/2009_CIP_Workshop/10._Kappenman_MRO_Dec1_2009.pdf

The red dots are big transformers near power sources (dams, nuclear power plants, etc) and the green dots are transformers near power sinks (big cities). The bigger the dot, the bigger the transformer. The purple power lines are higher voltage than the black power lines.

Really big transformers connected to really high voltage lines are presumed to have the biggest risks, which is why the map marks Eastern and Northwestern USA as the most vulnerable areas in the USA. The USA has some of the highest voltage power lines in the world in these regions.

I am happy to note that Texas is (1) on its own grid, and (2) has none of the really big transformers or really high voltage power lines. Texas (and likely Alaska and Hawaii) are the only states not on the two main USA power grids, east and west.

[Hervé]

Well, all these scenarii of catastrophes are all fine and dandy... BUT, my question then is: WHY these other things to ensure that, indeed, the population is being actively reduced?


They Want To Sterilize American Women: Sterilization Won't Cost Women A Penny Under Obamacare



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Did you know that sterilization will not cost women a penny under Obamacare? A new regulation (http://www.hrsa.gov/womensguidelines/) that goes into effect on August 1st requires that health plans cover sterilization for all women with "reproductive capacity". That includes teenage girls (http://cnsnews.com/news/article/pelosi-cuts-question-about-free-sterilization-mandate-says-lets-go-church-and-talk). According to the new regulation, women must have access to sterilization "without having to pay a co-payment, co-insurance or a deductible." So women will not have to pay a single penny out of pocket if they want to get sterilized. Of course this sterilization mandate will make health insurance more expensive for all of us, but the social engineers in Washington D.C. feel that increasing access to sterilization is a very important public policy goal. So why are they doing this? They are doing this because they love death (http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/they-love-death). They truly believe that they are saving the planet by reducing human numbers. That is why "family planning" is always at the very heart of the "green agenda". They want to sterilize women because that will help keep the population down. And if there are less people running around, there will be less of us to ruin "their planet (http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/the-elite-believe-that-you-are-ruining-their-planet-and-they-want-you-to-stop-reproducing)" with all of our pollution.

The new Obamacare regulation requires (http://www.hrsa.gov/womensguidelines/) health insurance policies to offer 100% coverage for all "approved contraceptive methods, sterilization procedures, and patient education and counseling for all women with reproductive capacity."

But to fully understand what is going on, you have to look at this in context with what is being implemented all over the globe.

Have you heard of Agenda 21? It is an international effort coordinated by the United Nations to make the world a more "sustainable" place in the 21st century.

To the social engineers at the forefront of this effort, the number one threat to "sustainable development" is overpopulation. That is why population control is one of the central pillars of Agenda 21 (http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/al-gore-agenda-21-and-population-control).

So all over the globe, family planning programs are being pushed and funded by the United Nations (http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/governments-around-the-world-are-eagerly-adopting-the-strict-population-control-agenda-of-the-united-nations). In many UN-funded family planning facilities all over the planet sterilizations are being offered for free.

The United Nations seems absolutely obsessed with population issues. In particular, they seem quite determined to get women in poorer countries to have less children. For example, the March 2009 U.N. Population Division policy brief (http://www.un.org/esa/population/publications/UNPD_policybriefs/UNPD_policy_brief1.pdf) began with the following statement....

What would it take to accelerate fertility decline in the least developed countries?
A statement like that should be setting off all kinds of alarm bells in your head.

[...]


Full article: http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/they-want-to-sterilize-american-women-new-obamacare-regulation-makes-sterilization-100-free

[doodah]

From Doodah's earlier post
1. I am part of a family that has connections through marriage to a high level person in the US govt who will go to the elite bunkers. They do not speak of it to "us," the rest of the family who will not be offered that option. This situation is up close and personal; it divides the family, brother and sister; uncle, aunt, nephew, niece. How do I feel about this? Part of me doesn't care. "They" will survive, maybe, but they are part of the sociopathic portion of the human race that stripped the planet for their personal survival. I'm not so sure I'd want to be down there in those bunkers with those people anyhow, but my niece, who is basically just a nice ordinary person, will go there because of her children, no question.

Doodah,

If you don't mind me asking, could you elaborate on this family connection? I'm curious as to whether this has just been a known fact that part of the family has their "tickets underground" or if any aspect of this was ever mentioned by anyone in the family. Also, would you mind describing any other revelations you have experienced due to this relationship by marriage?

Thank you,

Anthony

Anthony,

Can I elaborate on this family connection? Only insofar as I can tell you that a niece of mine married the son of a very high level govt official. The father was pretty high level when she married the son, but since that time the father has become even higher level. Because of the father's elevation in status, his immediate family -- his wife, their children, their childrens' spouses, their grandchildren -- will, if only under the rubric of "Continuity of Government" go to the bunkers. The father is considered important. The grandchildren are the future. They will provide for their families, extending outward in relationship to only a certain degree.

You're curious whether this is a known fact ...
Known fact only insofar as we know as much as we know about these things, those of us in the alternative communities who have had exposure to information about these places. If any of what we think we know about this is true, there is absolutely no doubt that this man and his family would be on the list with tickets.

... or if any aspect of this has ever been mentioned by anyone in the family... No. Never. There is very careful avoidance of even casual conversation about many topics that you and I would find very interesting. The family, when gathered as a whole, the "in's" and the "out's" together, is amazingly constrained, nobody EVER raises any kind of controversial topic, nobody talks politics of any kind. If I were to ask: "Have any of you ever heard about the elite underground bunkers?" first there would be the most amazing dead silence in the room, then some embarrassed sideways glances and shuffling of feet, then somebody would say "It's time for ice cream." I have done this, not with that question, but with others. It doesn't have to be spoken out loud for it to be made clear. The futility of asking has been made clear as well.

Any other revelations... Only insofar as seeing how it works up close and personal. Only in understanding that when we talk about who "they" are, some of them are my niece, just an ordinary very nice person who won't rock the boat because she loves her kids.

[doodah]

...

I read with great interest Doodah’s post #433. We too experienced the same storm and electrical failure well over two weeks ago. We got our electrical service back up just yesterday.

Here in my small mountain town there were absolutely NO “haves or have not’s”. Within the hour of the storm passing I heard chainsaws and atv’s power up all through the ridges and hollows. By nightfall we had all the elderly and disabled in the small elementary school with several large diesel generators “borrowed” from the coal mines. We set up freezers for people to bring their food so it wouldn’t spoil and everyone chipped in prepping food about to spoil and fresh garden produce either cooking for the many mouths to feed or to can and preserve. There was a medical area to care for our elderly and many injuries and cuts clearing the downed trees and debris. The young people rode horses, motorcycles and atv’s from hollow to hollow and ridge to ridge checking on the folks who chose or needed to stay in their homes. The children fished and swam in the river the flows by the school.

One evening as we sat around the fire after a pig roast dinner with sweet corn from the gardens and blackberry cobbler the children picked that day, with many guitars, banjos and fiddles playing around me and homemade wine and 'stronger stuff' I had the thought that I wouldn’t really care if the power ever came back on and I have no doubt that the people around me were thinking the same thing.

I also had the thought that in that situation my little mountain community were the people who would be considered the Haves and those just an hour away struggling in their fancy neighborhoods carefully hiding their resources and defiantly refusing to share and work together were very sad and sadly unaware that what they were experiencing is only a precursor to very turbulent and difficult times just around the corner.

Well, Blufire, this is where I am and I experienced what I experienced here. I don't know how your little mountain town works but I do know how the hollow where I live works. I'm new here, only been here 12 years in this exact spot. Although I grew up in this general area, you could say I'm a newcomer to the hollow and not related to anybody around me. Family takes care of family here, and that's about the extent of it. Family knows family so there's no need to know your neighbors.

There are no community actions like you speak of here, except perhaps through some of the churches, then they basically deal with their own membership.

There are no local volunteer Chainsaw Brigades that go out and automatically help people. Nobody knocked at my door to see if I needed help.

No one on my road here in the hollow offered me any help at all, none. My "good neighbor" that I have a pretty good relationship with, did not offer help either, although when I asked if he could do a little chainsawing, he said okay. He's 70 years old. The younger people mostly drove by in their big honker pickup trucks and kept on going. I did not hear the words "Do you need help?" spoken to me on this road where I live at any time after that major storm. In fact, my good neighbor said no, we're about 3 generations beyond where people helped each other; nobody offers help now. He's lived here in the hollow all his life but doesn't have family here anymore, which is, I guess, why he's been friendly to me, a stranger.

In the towns near here there is no civil organization by area or even city block for dealing with any kind of crisis, where people can look in on and look out for each other. There were cooling centers set up that nobody knew about because the only way the news was passed was over TV, radio, or internet, but people without power never found out about them. Then they closed the centers when the temps were 100 and 105 because nobody came.

I'd say this area is pretty dysfunctional! And that you are very lucky, which I am sure you know.

[AnthonyBacala]

Post Part 1 (Due to number of Images)

All of this talk about Colorado is making me relive my three experiences at the Denver Airport, particularly my second visit. First, I will share some interesting information and theories about the Denver Airport and its multitude of Illuminati and Occult symbolism.

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http://thechive.com/2012/03/08/something-is-rotten-in-the-denver-airport-25-photos/ (Something is Rotten in the Denver Airport)

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Located 25 miles from Denver on a plot of land encompassing 53 square miles (twice the size of Manhattan), sits one of the most curious airpots in the world, The Denver International Airport. Leo and I had a long layover at the airport last weekend. As we walked around, we couldn't help but notice that something about this place isn't right. So I did some digging.

*Note: I'm not a conspiracy guy in any way, I fancy myself as more of a beer drinker, so take this post more in the spirit of WTF than an accusation. But anybody who has flown through Denver Airport will tell you this place is a few fries short of a Happy Meal.

Let's start at the beginning. Denver Airport was commissioned in 1989 at a cost of 1.7 billion dollars. The airport was finished in 1995, 2 years late, at a cost of 4.8 BILLION dollars, roughly 3.1 billion over budget, like ya' do. The airport was privately funded, and nobody really knows by whom. A marker stone in the terminal reads the airport was funded by The New World Airport Commission.

It should also be noted that Denver had a completely functional airport, Stapleton, that many people liked just fine. Stapleton was only 6 miles from Denver after all.

There was really no need to build the airport in the first place… unless you needed a construction project up above to mask a larger construction project happening down below. And this is where the conspiracies begin.

Many people believe that the largest underground bunker in the world lies beneath the Denver airport. Specifically a 360,000 sq. foot bunker, built by the New World Order to house the elites in case of economic collapse or nuclear holocaust. The construction of the Denver airport was necessitated as a dumb show; an above ground construction project to hide the the creation of something that lies beneath, hiding in plain sight.

Hints that the Denver airport is hiding something big are everywhere. Visitors to the Denver Airport will immediately notice a number of mysterious masonic symbols and murals clearly depicting the end of the word. They're hard to miss. Many believe these murals hold a deeper meaning which can be gleaned by the initiated of the New World Order and Freemasons. Let's have a look.

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You are greeted at the airport by Mustang, by New Mexico artist Luis Jiménez, was one of the earliest public art commissions for Denver International Airport in 1993. Standing at 32 feet tall and weighing 9,000 pounds “Mustang” is a blue cast-fiberglass sculpture with red shining eyes. Jiménez died in 2006 while creating the sculpture when the head of it fell on him and severed an artery in his leg. ***WHICH ACTUALLY KILLED HIM***

My Addition: Could this be the symbolic representation of an aspect of the Book of Revelations? "And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given to them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth."

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Part 2:

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The murals are fairly shocking. Here we have refugees living in a basement and the Lord of Death, brandishing an AK-47, killing the dove of peace. Gray waves pulse from the figure, the waves pulse outward, killing everybody in its path. The figure wears a gas mask implying the gray waves, the instrument of death in this case, is a biological weapon.

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At a glance, AU AG would logically be the symbols for gold and silver. But that meaning is called into question when you find out that one of the founders of the airport also discovered a new, deadly strain of hepatitis known as Australia Antigen, also called AUAG. It has been rumored that AUAG could be a potent weapon in biological warfare. This symbol rests on the ground directly in front of the biological warfare mural.

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Nobody really knows who paid for the Denver Airport construction. Besides the fact that this dedication stone says it’s covering a time capsule for the people of Colorado, it also says the airport was paid for by the New World Airport Commission. The New World Airport Commission does not exist.

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Set against the backdrop of a solar flare and horrific destruction, not to mention the extinction of various species including whales and sea turtles, children are in the center sobbing over three open caskets. I really hope my flight isn’t delayed.

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You’ll notice there is a little girl in the back right holding a Mayan tablet alluding to Dec. 21, 2012, the end of the world. But the Mayans also predict a ‘rebirth’ which is why some life, such as the penguin and bird, are being preserved. Oh, and let’s not overlook the city being destroyed in the background.

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All of the children of the world bring in the weapons from their country, handing them to a German boy. The gas mask man from the previous scene is now dead, two doves perched on his body. All of the children appear to be relieved. The deeper metaphor is the return to peace, a rebirth; there will be no more need for weapons in the new world. Oh great, my flight just got delayed for, lemme’ see here, All of Eternity.

[AnthonyBacala]

Part 3: Last Images and the Possible Link with the Denver Airport and My Automobile Accident Immediately After Leaving

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Nothing says welcome home like a demonic figure crawling out of a suitcase.

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The final mural is oddly reminiscent of the Garden of Eden, the world now lives in peace after the horrific events that have taken place. All the murals, when viewed in sequence, depict a massive genocide followed by the formation of a now less-populated, harmonious new world.

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Finally, let’s return to those bunkers. The photo above is a blueprint of 5 buildings that were mysteriously buried during the early days of construction on the Denver Airport. These five large buildings were fully constructed and subsequently deemed to have been ‘positioned incorrectly.’

Rather than being demolished, the buildings were ordered to be buried, yes buried. The ‘underground bases’, as they are referred, are currently being used as “storage” according to airport authorities. This fact is not debated. We already know there is an underground structure beneath the airport. The real question is how deep the worm hole goes. We may never know…

UPDATE BY LEO: President Obama was in Denver Sept 27th last year when Comet Elenin passed by the earth, “barely missing” us by 22 miles. Some say, that if the comet would have struck earth, it’s back to the stone-age for us. Nonetheless, their was a chance that it could have hit and President Obama was conveniently ushered to Denver… which, in my opinion, adds more to the existence of not only a military bunker, but also the largest, most advanced bunker in the US -because the President wouldn’t go to some half-ass bunker if there was a threat of complete world destruction. Just sayin..

UPDATE 2: Just got a weird phone call from “Government Affairs” (whatever that is) on our office phone caller ID and they hung up after we answered. If this post disappears for some reason tomorrow, you know why...[/QUOTE]



The Accident & The Possible Connection:

Now, please bare with me as I explain a rather bizarre take on a series of unlikely events that played out during the time I was there, as well as the 30 minutes after leaving.

I just got out of the shower and this thread has been on my mind. As I was drying off, I immediately thought about Colorado and felt the need to make this post. For the first time since my accident, I am questioning if it were fate, or an attack for trying to pry into the inner workings of the beast. With that being said, I will begin.

Being a 5th grade special education teacher, I am fortunate to have the summer off. Also, being the father of a 21 month old boy with a baby girl due in October, I knew my fiancee and I could use a good vacation. It was the first time we were able to visit my younger brother in Ft. Collins, as well as get some time to ourselves before the new baby arrives. As soon as my brother picked us up from the airport he asked if we knew anything about the Denver Airport Conspiracy. As he went on to explain some of the stuff, I knew instantly that I was going to have to explore it myself when we flew home. After the plane ride, I didn't care to see any airport.

Fast forward 9 days.

My fiancee had been homesick for our son for many days. We continued to debate flying home early, but it was going to cost an extra $150 per person. Finally, I told her it was okay if she wanted to leave, and it would be cheaper for her to fly back than for both of us to. This was the best choice we could have ever made.

We arrived at the airport about 2 hours before her flight, giving us plenty of time to check out some of the murals ourselves. At this point, I really hadn't looked further into the conspiracy behind the airport. I was saving it all for after I had my real first impression. I always feel it is better to do this than to go into anything with outside opinion influencing your initial interpretation. The overall descriptions from the above sources matches the impression I got as I looked at the various paintings with my fiancee. Finally, as I walked her to the dreaded line for TSA checks/pat-downs, I decided I would hang around the airport for a little while longer and really do some digging.

I googled some different pages on the conspiracy, and used it as my guide to find the different hidden messages. As I did this, for the first time in my entire life, I felt a Reptilian presence deep below me. I cannot explain how or why this happened, but it did. Suddenly, I began to know that evil deeds were taking place below my very feet. I began to feel a tingling feeling and the onset of a headache. I began pacing up and down, back and forth, like a lost puppy. Finally, I knew it was time to leave.

As I got in my brother's Jeep and made my way towards I-25 North, I called Amanda as she was boarding her flight. Before I continue, I want to make a point. During this whole trip, we never stayed indoors for long. Amanda and I constantly wanted to adventure, and really take in as much of Colorado as possible. We were always in my brother's Jeep, which was just fully serviced in December, 2011. Amanda and I even took it for a few trips to Denver and Boulder for the day. Throughout the entire time we were all together, I never had a single issue in the vehicle. Until now.

I-25 is a 4-lane in each direction stretch of road with a 75mph speed limit. Also, the shoulder is on the left hand side. This is something completely opposite of Louisiana and I-10, which I am much more familiar with. Anyways, I was traveling in the third lane from the shoulder. Suddenly, without warning, the transfer case blew and the drive shaft of the vehicle snapped in half. I kept my cool, as I always try to do despite the situation, and motioned over to the left as I made my way towards the shoulder. As metal clanked loudly against the pavement as the vehicle was rapidly breaking down at 70+ mph, I thought to myself, "Man, Aaron is going to be sad his Jeep has finally had its last drive."

As I looked in my rear view to make sure it was safe to cross over, I couldn't help but notice flames coming from the undercarriage on my side of the vehicle. The next 15 seconds felt like minutes. I tried to slam on the brakes, but nothing happened. I was in a flaming death trap, helplessly rolling towards my demise.

Then, my Soul took over and began communicating with my body's consciousness. I instantly had a sense that 1) this was not how I was supposed to die and 2) I was going to walk out of this okay. I let go of the wheel and opened the door. As the flames continued to grow, I felt there was little time for me to hang around. It was finally time for that leap of faith.

I unbuckled my seatbelt and faced the gravel pavement I was about to develop a very close relationship with very soon. The Jeep was going roughly 55-60 mph at this point, and the pebbles and grass flickered by like waves. As soon as the seatbelt was fully released, I jumped out of the vehicle and did a tuck-and-roll. Almost immediately, I bounced right back up...full of adrenaline and completely unaware of the damage my body had just taken. Although I was safe, and thankful to be alive, I realized I had just set free a flaming death trap with the potential to harm anyone passing by it.

The jeep continued down the shoulder for a good 100 yards before veering off into the traffic. I remember standing up and watching the entire thing and praying that no one would be injured. In that moment, I felt a force beyond me guiding everything around me.

The jeep went across all four lanes of traffic without causing a single accident with cars all flying by at speeds of 60-75 mph!!!

Although it did cause a 150 yard brushfire, followed by another 70 yard one where it finally met its demise. I still had no desire to check on my physical body, because my soul felt so alive. It was as if I was working hand in hand with a force unseen, as I steered the following series of events, sparing all the other lives around. I guess this is because of my natural sensitivity to this particular cause of death due to my own loss less than two years ago, when my grandparents and uncle were killed in a hit-and-run.

http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2012/04/kenner_woman_found_criminally.html

Strangely enough, this is also why I knew I couldn't die this way...it would bring complete devastation to my mother if she lost not only her parents and brother, but also her son this way.

Finally, after seeing the Jeep had finally stopped, I felt at peace. Although fire-fighters were rushing to put out the wildfires I just started, as well as the humongous flames coming from the jeep, I knew everything was going to be alright. It was only then that I gave any attention to the good Samaritan who saw my accident and quickly dialed 911 for me.

I was aware of his presence, but--and I know this is going to sound very bizarre--I was looking completely through him the entire time as I was standing there watching the Jeep coast for over 300 yds before stopping. It wasn't until after it stopped that I questioned how he materialized before my eyes when I was looking in that direction the whole time. However, the entire time I was also aware that he was there, only I couldn't see him.

Anyways, I made my way towards him, adrenaline still pumping, and heard him list my various injuries to the 911 operator.

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When he said, "he's got a very large laceration to his forehead and he is missing some teeth," I knew I had really got banged up. But, the sensation of pain still hadn't hit me in that region. However, my right hand was heavily swollen, due from taking the majority of force upon impact with the pavement. Luckily though, my pregnant fiancee was not in the vehicle, I walked out alive, and no one else was injured.

Today is actually two weeks since this event took place, and I am glad to say I have healed very quickly on the outside. Although my spinal chord suffered some heavy shifting, the chiropractors are confident it will also be corrected. I guess you can say that it's just pure coincidence that after all of my meddling into the affairs of the dark side, and my first experience of "feeling" the presence of Reptilian forces a vehicle I drove for 9 days without any signs of problems happened to completely fail, and potentially kill me. But, after all of my experiences in this game, I believe there are no coincidences, ever.

After really delving deep into this thread, along with Houman's I have felt a dramatic shift in my life. No longer am I just the researcher/spectator/guy-on-the-bench. I have felt a calling to actively step into my true role. In doing so, I have really gotten a better taste of the true nature of this game we are all involved in. And, I must say, we are a part of a spiritual war unlike anything we can even imagine. Again, tonight is the first time I have asked myself if this accident and my affairs at the Denver Airport had any connection.

Upon further analysis and recognition of that series of events, I do believe I was experiencing a taste of this spiritual warfare playing out on both sides--the light and the dark--as they made their presence known to me. It was as if I was finally stepping foot into the gladiator's arena after waiting outside for ages, only to be thrown right into the battle without any warning.

Was this just a preview of what's really coming? If this is at all like anything anyone else has experienced, I would really like some feedback.

Thank you for your time,

Anthony Bacala III

[gripreaper]

http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/denver-airport-1.jpg?w=920&h=689

Wow, I've never seen that inscription before about a message to the people of Colorado in 2094. What is the symbolic significance numerologically of that year, other than it is 100 years past the 1994 date.

[AnthonyBacala]

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[AnthonyBacala]

http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/denver-airport-1.jpg?w=920&h=689

Wow, I've never seen that inscription before about a message to the people of Colorado in 2094. What is the symbolic significance numerologically of that year, other than it is 100 years past the 1994 date.

Googled that question, and this popped up. Not sure if it is correct, though.


Now remember the time capsole in Denver that says ''for the people of 2094''. Well, from the year 2012 to the year 2094 there is EXACTLY 82 years. Now, try to add the 3,600 ''Nibiru'' passing time line.

If Nibiru would pass us at 2012 or the destruction or significant event time is in the year 2012 (or finishing period) then the last Nibiru passing would have been in 1588 BC which is exactly 3,600 years ago from the 2012 date.

If Thut the 1st's reign which is considered to be the first reign began in 1506 BC which is 3518 years ago, 82 years added to that would be the year 1588 BC which is EXACTLY 3,600 years ago. AND is the Nibiru passing timeline 'coincidentally'

It seems that prior to each destruction or event time, there is something that keeps the knowledge of that time and is passed on to the next civilization or secrete society( new cycle). Every civilization starts around 82-100 years after each destruction. Maybe its the coming out of a small iceage or restabilization period ??? The elites bunkered up untill its ready to start the new reign once again.

[Eram]

After really delving deep into this thread, along with Houman's I have felt a dramatic shift in my life. No longer am I just the researcher/spectator/guy-on-the-bench. I have felt a calling to actively step into my true role. In doing so, I have really gotten a better taste of the true nature of this game we are all involved in. And, I must say, we are a part of a spiritual war unlike anything we can even imagine. Again, tonight is the first time I have asked myself if this accident and my affairs at the Denver Airport had any connection.

Hi AnthonyBacala,

I enjoyed your posts and I hope you heal to a full recovery of the incident with the car.

About your wish to engage in the spiritual war that is going on, I'd like to say:
Engage all you want, but there will be a point in time that you come to understand that this war is between two sides that are part of the same coin.
One can not exist without the other.

The true way to end this war of duality is to find the darkness in yourself and bring it to the light.

[Fred Steeves]

The true way to end this war of duality is to find the darkness in yourself and bring it to the light.

Right on Wakey, but one must already have had more than their fill of the action to go there, huh?

Thinking about this always reminds me of the last verse in Blue Oyster Cult's "Veteran of the Psychic wars":

"You see me now a veteran of a thousand psychic wars
My energy is spent at last
And my armor is destroyed
I have used up all my weapons and I'm helpless and bereaved
Wounds are all I'm made of
Did I hear you say that this is victory?"

nrd2xf5DIlU

[Chester]

So how do the top 0.0001% live and think? These are the people we're discussing here.

This has been discussed ad nauseam on other threads, most notably the Archon thread. These creatures, which I hate to call human since they do not have empathy and only see us as cattle to run their industrial machine as long as we are useful, are severed from the energetic centers know as the higher chakras. These chakras are known as the celestial, while the lower chakras are known as the terrestrial, or reptilian, or animal, or survival, or some such derivative thereof.

We all have these instincts. The difference between the empath and the psychopath, is the psychopath has NO connection to anything outside of their self serving animalistic survival needs of satiating hedonistic desires of gluttony and avarice. Anything which gets in the way of this, is to be removed and discarded as so much trash.

The challenge for most sentient empathic beings, is their impossibility of seeing any alleged human as different from themselves, and the context through which they view these psychopaths is empathic, and that, from my point of view, is a mistake.

They are reprobate, incorrigible, and cannot be rehabilitated to be empathic. We need to realize this. After 26,000 years of experience, is it safe to say that this is true?

Hi Gripreaper and Avalonians - I came upon an interview of Bill where he mentioned some things and included something he heard from David Icke... something that goes like this...

"Fighting doesn't work... fighting continues the game... a game we've played for millions, trillions of years."

and -

"You can't solve it on earth by just being a human being... because within that consciousness we have created the problem.... it can only be resolved from a spiritual standpoint."

and - (what Bill heard from David Icke in reference to all the sub groups of the "cabal")

"I feel sorry for them... they've lost their way. They are spiritual beings who have forgotten who they are."

so I know I won't win any friends here, but nothing could ever change my mind that it is all and only "us" in this picture.

justoneofus

[Carmody]

John Kappenman, author of the Metatech study, estimates that it would cost about $1 billion to build special protective devices into the US grid to protect its EHV transformers from EMP or extreme GMD damage and to build stores of critical replacement parts should some of these items be damaged or destroyed.

For a measly one billion they could protect the grid, but they are not doing it.


Not only that but the alternative "Zero-Point" "Free Energy" solutions are determined "classified."

Perplexes me to no end.

How many times had a boatload of slaves gone down..with hours of warning...with the slaves still having the shackles on their feet? I'm not sure that even one example exists in history..where the slaves where let go, in order to save themselves from the ship that was about to sink.

If we were to successfully get to the point of 'over unity' energy (as we like to call it), we would have energy freedom, which leads to thought freedom, which leads to every other kind of freedom.

This (cascading eventualities)..within a very short period of time after the free energy arrives on the scene.

the danger of self harm, with regard to over unity energies does indeed loom large. This is the card (excuse for violent methodologies of suppression) the 'withholders' use within the confines of their own groups, regarding using it as a reason for slaying and derailing independent researchers in those fields.

It used to be a few doors they had to shut, now it is reaching into the many hundreds of scenarios of 'unfolding' due to rising awareness and unfolding in technology and physics.

The problem, for them, is now that all sciences and all branches of physics are now squarely hitting that glass ceiling of understanding of the truth of 'over unity' and well...dimensional structure, one might say.

But, like the slavery/sinking/freedom scenario...we are tick-tick-tick, drip-drip-drip..marching straight into the gauntlet of that scenario.

And we will likely boil over onto the decks with more vehemence and directed anger than you can possibly imagine, once that point arrives. Which was the fear of the slave traders, in those years past.

Some things seem to never change.

(for a real eye opener, look into the slave trading and see what groups where involved, and then compare that to today's situation)

[AnthonyBacala]

After really delving deep into this thread, along with Houman's I have felt a dramatic shift in my life. No longer am I just the researcher/spectator/guy-on-the-bench. I have felt a calling to actively step into my true role. In doing so, I have really gotten a better taste of the true nature of this game we are all involved in. And, I must say, we are a part of a spiritual war unlike anything we can even imagine. Again, tonight is the first time I have asked myself if this accident and my affairs at the Denver Airport had any connection.

Hi AnthonyBacala,

I enjoyed your posts and I hope you heal to a full recovery of the incident with the car.

About your wish to engage in the spiritual war that is going on, I'd like to say:
Engage all you want, but there will be a point in time that you come to understand that this war is between two sides that are part of the same coin.
One can not exist without the other.

The true way to end this war of duality is to find the darkness in yourself and bring it to the light.

Thank you for your well wishes. And I agree about bringing my inner darkness to the light, as it is something I am constantly involved in with my personal life.

[SEAM]

You can easily download free PDF's of this series from sites such as http://beasurvivor.blogspot.com/2009/07/foxfire-books-1-3-for-free.html



Message on scribd says : Content removed at the request of Random House Inc.

Alternatively free download of Volumes 1 to 5 are available here:

http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/library/FoxfireVol1.pdf
http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/library/FoxfireVol2.pdf
http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/library/FoxfireVol3.pdf
http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/library/FoxfireVol4.pdf
http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/library/FoxfireVol5.pdf

Specially recommended, Volume 3, pages 117-207 : How to build Banjos & Dulcimers :)


Jean-Luc, thank you for pointing out this particular section. It made me laugh, as I am a musician, and quickly realized how important music can be for soothing the soul. This would definitely make those downed power grid days and nights a lot more lively!


Speaking of good books (the older the better) Anyone remember "The Mosquito Coast" by [Paul Theroux]? .... reminds me of Bill now that I think of it....

I have a bad habit of giving books away...(I get so caught up in the enthusiasm of the things, that I totally want to share - I'm getting better, or buying more)...
But not this one. Paul Theroux was way ahead of his time.

[Carmody]

well eyes in the sky are out from the 1.4 X-class that just popped off at earth...

dark energy waves going on while these waves are rolling in...

hey elites, are your bags packed yet?


fill a bathtub with water for now until further update, just in case...

I was out for a walk when the energy hit us, I felt so light headed I had to grab a tree to keep from floating away...

So that's what it was. I was driving a truck down the highway and had to stop to sleep. I was way too dizzy to negotiate reality, for at least 1/2 hour. I had to literally stop, clear the front seat out, lie down...make it to at least the dream state, then back out again, into the so called reality state..and I was fine again. This also explains the migraine headaches, which happen in sync with solar flares, in my case.

[Carmody]

Posters here, starting with the OP, appear to imagine that "Awakening" consists of being aware of some elite group or cabal that is dominating the world, or that there is some catastrophe waiting to happen, or that there are ETs influencing things, or that we are here to fight the powers that be, toss off the yoke of control programs, make this world safe for nice people, or expel demons and archonic critters who are clogging up our plumbing.

In any case, that is not true awakening at all. True awakening consists in the direct realization that none of this is actually real, or rather, that it all has as much reality as a video game.


It's both. :)

See my 2009 interview with Freedom Central (still one of the best). My opening words are: "It's a paradox."



Yes, it's seemingly...from observation.....always a motion toward the splitting of the given presented paradox, which has an innate consideration of always moving toward a peak of the given reflected energies and conditions. peak, next higher peak, next higher peak, and so on.

[Carmody]

Jesse Ventura talks to researcher Larry Joseph he says basically everything said so far and
says there is a solution to minimise the effects its to install ground resistors!!

Just place those resistors between the ground and the transformers and it will keep us
from shorting out the nation. Jesse asks if it is that easy why are they not doing it ?
Joseph says we have one problem its not money its not technology its politics !!!

From post 398.........Does anyone know if what Larry Joseph said above about
resitors is feasible or not ? Just wondering!

My understanding is that the bleed off scenario is 100% a functional solution.

the question... is the will to use it and get it done. like free energy or over unity, it requires 'admittance of the issue's existence' as a first step and that is part of the problem in all suppression within the self.

The initial opening of the door is a big as the problem or issue itself, and therefore, strongly tends to remain fully shut, as doors go.

[Feren]

Am I the only one who just doesn't know what to believe? Is it just a flaw of my character that delivers me from understanding what is evident?

[AnthonyBacala]

Posted July 11, 2012...

More of the Super Wealthy Defect From the USSA

http://www.dollarvigilante.com/blog/2012/7/11/more-of-the-super-wealthy-defect-from-the-ussa.html

https://encrypted-tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTtG4h0uJRjF5SkYb-TM2yDgSAZ5iTM-NUQx2QAmP-b2jiHu8oY


Another one heads for the exit.

Denise Rich, the wealthy socialite and former wife of pardoned billionaire trader Marc Rich, has defected from the US and given up her US citizenship. Rich, 68, a Grammy-nominated songwriter, renounced her American citizenship in November, according to her lawyer. Her maiden name, Denise Eisenberg, appeared in the Federal Register on April 30 in a quarterly list of Americans who renounced their US passport.

She is better known for her former husband’s indiscretions. Marc Rich got caught doing something the US Government didn't like; trading in oil from Iran a few decades ago - yes, this Iran nonsense has been going on that long. For not adhering to the rules of his overseers he was on the Federal Bureau of Investigation's Ten Most Wanted Fugitives List for many years.

It was only when Denise Rich gave a number of bribes to murderer and thief, Bill Clinton, that her husband was granted a pardon. Smartly, after being deemed a rogue criminal, Marc Rich defected from the US in 1991, although he did not do it correctly under the rules of the US and falsely believed that he had relinquished his United States’ citizenship when he became a citizen of Spain. But, an appeals court ruled in 1991 that for purposes of US law Rich remains a citizen and therefore is still subject to US income tax theft. In order to officially renounce US citizenship and legally avoid future theft from the IRS, a citizen must appear in person before a US consular or "diplomatic officer" outside the US and "sign an oath of renunciation" (note: last month we told TDV Subscribers which US consulate has the fastest renunciation process… less than 2 months). Smartly, today he also holds Belgian, Israeli and Spanish passports so as to not find himself in the same predicament he did in the early 1990s when he only held one slave card (passport).

HYPOCRITICAL

Some particularly brainwashed slaves think that anyone leaving their tax farms is some sort of turncoat. And, when expatriates leave with a large amount of money, many slaves pull out their knives and reveal their bloody fangs and call for that person to be murdered or robbed of his wealth because it is our wealth, as they did with Eduardo Saverin of Facebook who actually whipped Charles Schumer into a frenzy and set off a chain of events that would result in him launching the Expatriation Prevention by Abolishing Tax-Related Incentives for Offshore Tenancy” Act (EXPATRIOT).

But, unlike Americans leaving because they disapprove of the political situation in the US, Denise Rich has been a longtime political contributor and activist for the Democratic party. If anyone is being hypocritical here, it is her.

A typical limousine liberal, she supports heavy taxes on the population, except for her.

EXPATRIATING FROM THE US... OR ANYWHERE

The US is closing the doors on this sinking ship and you can really see how little time there is left when the really big rats start abandoning ship. And, Denise Rich, a big time Democrat supporter, is one of the biggest rats.

If she has decided it’s too dangerous to her wealth and self to keep that little piece of paper called a US passport, with all of her connections, then what does that say for us little guys who can’t afford to buy our husband out of prison?

THE WRITING IS ON THE WALL

If you live in the US or any Western country and aren’t already making alternative arrangements then there isn’t much more we can say or do to open your eyes to the reality that we perceive.

In this month’s issue of TDV, the Director of TDV Passports, Ken Johnson, outlines a number of residency and citizenship opportunities in a South American country for our subscribers. Not only have we negotiated, directly with the most high level political officials an expedited citizenship for our subscribers, but we have also come up with the first ever financed citizenship program where TDV itself will finance your immediate residency and help get you on track to a foreign citizenship in a country with no income tax and who doesn’t consider its citizens as milk and beef cows in less than four years.

For the coming few weeks we will also be announcing other similar programs in the Caribbean and Asia.

The Western governments are doing everything they can to keep you hemmed in to their tax farm. TDV is doing everything it can to help get you out.

As W.G. Hill said, "Get your money out of the country, before your country gets the money out of you.”

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Am I the only one who just doesn't know what to believe? Is it just a flaw of my character that delivers me from understanding what is evident?

No flaw. No one knows the details accurately. Be willing to take pieces of the puzzle and create your own customized belief structure, explore, intuit and allow yourself to modify your picture of reality.

Things to remember along the way:


We can only accept a little bit of reality at a time. It takes time.
If you are having fun you are probably on the right path.
Do not take yourself too seriously.
Question reality.
Question authority.
You are an eternal being. From a larger perspective, an eternal being (you) cannot make mistakes. From a human perspective one can.
The infinite IS (and you) have created a reality far better than anything a human can imagine.

[AnthonyBacala]

Am I the only one who just doesn't know what to believe? Is it just a flaw of my character that delivers me from understanding what is evident?

No flaw. No one knows the details accurately. Be willing to take pieces of the puzzle and create your own customized belief structure, explore, intuit and allow yourself to modify your picture of reality.

Things to remember along the way:


We can only accept a little bit of reality at a time. It takes time.
If you are having fun you are probably on the right path.
Do not take yourself too seriously.
Question reality.
Question authority.
You are an eternal being. From a larger perspective, an eternal being (you) cannot make mistakes. From a human perspective one can.
The infinite IS (and you) have created a reality far better than anything a human can imagine.


And remember, as the late, great Bill Hicks once said, "It's just a ride."

iMUiwTubYu0

[mountain_jim]

Thanks to all for your contributions to this thread. High value to me.

I just want to mention, that for the great post by Vivek (one of many), Has Doomsday Begun Already, it's worth going to the links and reading there, with more side-content and more images, to enrich the total information available from this post.

The 3 links:

http://www.viewzone.com/expandox.html
http://www.viewzone.com/expando2.html
http://www.viewzone.com/expando33.html

And to AnthonyBacala, I really appreciated reading your personal account of the Denver Airport. I used to fly into the old Stapleton airport, liked it fine. I could not understand the reason for the later one. Of course, now I partially do. It's been a few years since I flew in there, I know alot more now, but even then I felt a strange and foreboding energy in the place and wanted to get out of there as quickly as possible.

Also to the posts responding to the nuclear fallout radii, The NSA, in moving their new data center to northern Utah, is also locating in a clean place according to that diagram. I have to hope the reactors don't go, as where I live, with my nice gravity-fed mountain spring water isolation, is at risk for several of those reactors.

I have a relative by marriage fairly high up in FEMA, I knew she had her 'ticket' to an underground bunker 20 years ago, as part of 'continuity of government'. But she's either clueless or a very good liar concerning awareness of the shadow government machinations. I would rather fry on the surface than go live in bunker cities with the ticketed elites. Remind's me of Dr Strangelove:



In the War Room in the final scene, the prophet of doom with a frozen smile - the villainous Dr. Strangelove, makes an abrupt turn - signalling the major turn of events for the world. He swings around in his wheelchair from the Big Board, explaining that all is not lost. After making calculations with a circular slide rule, he proposes an idea for a one hundred year plan for survival - life can continue underground until radioactivity diminishes. But he cannot control a slip-of-the-tongue when he addresses the President as "Mein Fuehrer" while dreaming of an underground bunker world populated by "top government and military men" after the impending apocalypse:


Strangelove: I would not rule out the chance to preserve a nucleus of human specimens. It would be quite easy...heh, heh...(He rolls his wheelchair forward into the light) at the bottom of ah...some of our deeper mineshafts. Radioactivity would never penetrate a mine some thousands of feet deep, and in a matter of weeks, sufficient improvements in drilling space could easily be provided.
President: How long would you have to stay down there?
Strangelove: ...I would think that uh, possibly uh...one hundred years...It would not be difficult Mein Fuehrer! Nuclear reactors could, heh...I'm sorry, Mr. President. Nuclear reactors could provide power almost indefinitely. Greenhouses could maintain plant life. Animals could be bred and slaughtered. A quick survey would have to be made of all the available mine sites in the country, but I would guess that dwelling space for several hundred thousands of our people could easily be provided.
President: Well, I, I would hate to have to decide...who stays up and...who goes down.
Strangelove: Well, that would not be necessary, Mr. President. It could easily be accomplished with a computer. And a computer could be set and programmed to accept factors from youth, health, sexual fertility, intelligence, and a cross-section of necessary skills. Of course, it would be absolutely vital that our top government and military men be included to foster and impart the required principles of leadership and tradition.

His thoughts of personal survival underground after the end of the world energize Dr. Strangelove - his left fist slams down and his black-gloved mechanical right arm reflexes into an unintentional Nazi salute ('Sieg Heil'). He pulls his right arm back into his lap, fighting off his own, spring-loaded gloved hand with his good arm. [His affliction, known as 'alien hand syndrome,' is an actual but rare physical affliction due to stroke, brain surgery, infection, or other kinds of brain injury.] With an absurd grin on his face, his own sexual pleasure is kindled as he excitedly talks about selective sexual breeding at a ratio of 10 females to one male. Society's male elite would be surrounded by a contingent of beautiful women in underground hideouts - their couplings would eventually repopulate the planet:


Naturally, they would breed prodigiously, eh? There would be much time, and little to do. Ha, ha. But ah, with the proper breeding techniques and a ratio of say, ten females to each male, I would guess that they could then work their way back to the present Gross National Product within say, twenty years.

The President is concerned about the depression of the grief-stricken survivors: "Wouldn't this nucleus of survivors be so grief-stricken and anguished that they'd, well, envy the dead and not want to go on living?" Strangelove isn't worried, but must first beat his wayward, lethally-impulsive right arm with his left before answering: "When they go down into the mine, everyone would still be alive. There would be no shocking memories, and the prevailing emotion will be one of nostalgia for those left behind, combined with a spirit of bold curiosity for the adventure ahead! Ahhh!"

With his recurring muscular tic, Dr. Strangelove's right arm again reflexes into a Nazi salute. He pulls it back into his lap and beats at it. His gloved hand attempts self-strangulation. Of course, Turgidson is intrigued by the sexual implications of Strangelove's hundred year plan:


Turgidson: Doctor, you mentioned the ratio of ten women to each man. Now, wouldn't that necessitate the abandonment of the so-called monogamous sexual relationship, I mean, as far as men were concerned?
Strangelove: Regrettably, yes. But it is, you know, a sacrifice required for the future of the human race. I hasten to add that since each man will be required to do prodigious...service along these lines, the women will have to be selected for their sexual characteristics which will have to be of a highly stimulating nature.
Russian Ambassador: I must confess, you have an astonishingly good idea there, Doctor.

[Feren]

Am I the only one who just doesn't know what to believe? Is it just a flaw of my character that delivers me from understanding what is evident?

No flaw. No one knows the details accurately. Be willing to take pieces of the puzzle and create your own customized belief structure, explore, intuit and allow yourself to modify your picture of reality.

Things to remember along the way:


We can only accept a little bit of reality at a time. It takes time.
If you are having fun you are probably on the right path.
Do not take yourself too seriously.
Question reality.
Question authority.
You are an eternal being. From a larger perspective, an eternal being (you) cannot make mistakes. From a human perspective one can.
The infinite IS (and you) have created a reality far better than anything a human can imagine.


Well, I'm definitely having fun. Thank you for your kind words.

[Feren]

Am I the only one who just doesn't know what to believe? Is it just a flaw of my character that delivers me from understanding what is evident?

No flaw. No one knows the details accurately. Be willing to take pieces of the puzzle and create your own customized belief structure, explore, intuit and allow yourself to modify your picture of reality.

Things to remember along the way:


We can only accept a little bit of reality at a time. It takes time.
If you are having fun you are probably on the right path.
Do not take yourself too seriously.
Question reality.
Question authority.
You are an eternal being. From a larger perspective, an eternal being (you) cannot make mistakes. From a human perspective one can.
The infinite IS (and you) have created a reality far better than anything a human can imagine.


And remember, as the late, great Bill Hicks once said, "It's just a ride."

iMUiwTubYu0

If it is just a ride, this must be a big horse. LOL

[Cidersomerset]

Posted by Cidersomerset (here)



Jesse Ventura talks to researcher Larry Joseph he says basically everything said so far and
says there is a solution to minimise the effects its to install ground resistors!!

Just place those resistors between the ground and the transformers and it will keep us
from shorting out the nation. Jesse asks if it is that easy why are they not doing it ?
Joseph says we have one problem its not money its not technology its politics !!!
From post 398.........Does anyone know if what Larry Joseph said above about
resitors is feasible or not ? Just wondering!


My understanding is that the bleed off scenario is 100% a functional solution.

the question... is the will to use it and get it done. like free energy or over unity, it requires 'admittance of the issue's existence' as a first step and that is part of the problem in all suppression within the self.

The initial opening of the door is a big as the problem or issue itself, and therefore, strongly tends to remain fully shut, as doors go.


Thanks Carmody that makes perfect sence I did not think such a eminent researcher would say that without some basis to it.

From what James Martinez has been reporting regularly on his show the door to Cold fusion has been pushed ajar, but as you say whether it will
be allowed to be open is far from certain unless they can proffit from it...Then it does not become free anymore !!

[WhiteFeather]

Not sure if this was mentioned on this thread yet.

The D.I.A. is also known to be constructed on a Key Grid/Ley Line, Connecting To Washington DC.

[Bill Ryan]

-------

Some light relief… Enjoy. :)

On Wednesday evening, 36 hours ago, I and two friends sharing my house sat down to watch the excellent 45 minute National Geographic documentary “Electronic Armageddon”.

(link here to download — very highly recommended, btw):

http://projectavalon.net/National_Geographic_Electronic_Armageddon.avi

It was intelligent, well-presented, and thought-provoking, and we talked about it for quite a while. The very next morning, we woke up to the news of the X1.4 solar flare (http://spaceweather.com), and accompanying CME, directed directly towards Planet Earth. It was not as large as these bullets can be — but the barrel of the gun was pointed directly towards us.

(Below is a large and impressive animated image -- wait for it to load if necessary)

http://projectavalon.net/Solar_Flare_12_July_2012.gif

(Here's the original (http://spaceweather.com/images2012/12jul12/20120712_193500_anim.tim-den.gif?PHPSESSID=7frfa7sbdkpqa5ic37kgsl00k3) -- in case the animation doesn't work here.)

I read an immediate e-mail update from a radio ham stating that all HF radio frequencies had suddenly become unavailable… something he’d not experienced for 20 years. He was unaware of the solar flare, but speculated that there must have been one, and that it must have been quite something.

An hour later, our cellphone network abruptly went down. No signal on any phones at all. We were discussing what might have occurred. One of my friends picked up our Vonage Skype-powered landline, and called a friend in the US.

That conversation had just started -- and then the phone went dead and all the lights went out. It was quite a dramatic movie moment.

With raised eyebrows — clearly something major was afoot — but without fuss or drama, we decided that we really should take the protective steps we’d talked about so often. We gathered together all our electronics and carefully stowed them away in Faraday (‘EMP’) bags (http://www.disasterstuff.com/store/pc/EMP-Faraday-Bags-c128.htm), and filled up the bath with water. We were careful not to open our fridge-freezer, which was now without power, and made coffee on our gas stove, snacking on fruit, nuts, and a bunch of other goodies which weren’t in the fridge -- as we discussed what do to next.

It was a very useful and fascinating drill. We realized a number of things that we weren’t fully aware of (although we thought we had plenty of EMP bags, we really needed more, especially those in the larger sizes — but were able to improvise). We had an excellent multi-function wind-up SW radio/ recharger/ flashlight, candles, and some solar-rechargeable LED light arrays, but we really needed more of those, too.

Having read doodah’s excellent post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46887-From-Bill-Ryan-the-Ultimate-Hypothesis&p=520204#post520204), we wondered if things would be down for 15 days here as well. We planned to venture out, once things were safely locked down inside, and find out more about what had happened.

Having safeguarded all systems (including unplugging all appliances in case the power came back on with a sudden surge), we went out to see what was going on.

We quickly found out. The agent responsible for our rental had agreed to pay the electricity bill on our behalf (part of their job) — but had clean forgotten. We'd been disconnected by the electric company. The cellphone service was down... but came back a few hours later.

It was hilarious. But the 'fire drill' was really, really useful. If an X45 flare occurs (as occurred on 4 November 2003, but this time pointed our way) — we’ll be 100% prepared. And today we’re paying our electricity bill ourselves, in person, in cash.

:)

[ThePythonicCow]

Post Part 1 (Due to number of Images)

All of this talk about Colorado is making me relive my three experiences at the Denver Airport, particularly my second visit. First, I will share some interesting information and theories about the Denver Airport and its multitude of Illuminati and Occult symbolism.

...
Part 2:

The murals are fairly shocking. Here we have refugees living in a basement and the Lord of Death, brandishing an AK-47, killing the dove of peace. Gray waves pulse from the figure, the waves pulse outward, killing everybody in its path. The figure wears a gas mask implying the gray waves, the instrument of death in this case, is a biological weapon.

Part 3: Last Images and the Possible Link with the Denver Airport and My Automobile Accident Immediately After Leaving

...
The Accident & The Possible Connection:

Now, please bare with me as I explain a rather bizarre take on a series of unlikely events that played out during the time I was there, as well as the 30 minutes after leaving.


Quite a couple of posts, AnthonyBacala. Thanks. i'm glad you're still with us.

Those interested can find more information on the Denver Airport on such threads as Denver Airport Allows Camera Crew in Underground Facility (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?39718-Denver-Airport-Allows-Camera-Crew-in-Underground-Facility).

[AnthonyBacala]

-------

Some light relief… Enjoy. :)

On Wednesday evening, 36 hours ago, I and two friends sharing my house sat down to watch the excellent 45 minute National Geographic documentary “Electronic Armageddon”.

(link here to download — very highly recommended, btw):

http://projectavalon.net/National_Geographic_Electronic_Armageddon.avi

It was intelligent, well-presented, and thought-provoking, and we talked about it for quite a while. The very next morning, we woke up to the news of the X1.4 solar flare (http://spaceweather.com), and accompanying CME, directed directly towards Planet Earth. It was not as large as these bullets can be — but the barrel of the gun was pointed directly towards us.

(Below is a large and impressive animated image -- wait for it to load if necessary)

http://projectavalon.net/Solar_Flare_12_July_2012.gif

(Here's the original (http://spaceweather.com/images2012/12jul12/20120712_193500_anim.tim-den.gif?PHPSESSID=7frfa7sbdkpqa5ic37kgsl00k3) -- in case the animation doesn't work here.)

I read an immediate e-mail update from a radio ham stating that all HF radio frequencies had suddenly become unavailable… something he’d not experienced for 20 years. He was unaware of the solar flare, but speculated that there must have been one, and that it must have been quite something.

An hour later, our cellphone network abruptly went down. No signal on any phones at all. We were discussing what might have occurred. One of my friends picked up our Vonage Skype-powered landline, and called a friend in the US.

That conversation had just started -- and then the phone went dead and all the lights went out. It was quite a dramatic movie moment.

With raised eyebrows — clearly something major was afoot — but without fuss or drama, we decided that we really should take the protective steps we’d talked about so often. We gathered together all our electronics and carefully stowed them away in Faraday (‘EMP’) bags (http://www.disasterstuff.com/store/pc/EMP-Faraday-Bags-c128.htm), and filled up the bath with water. We were careful not to open our fridge-freezer, which was now without power, and made coffee on our gas stove, snacking on fruit, nuts, and a bunch of other goodies which weren’t in the fridge -- as we discussed what do to next.

It was a very useful and fascinating drill. We realized a number of things that we weren’t fully aware of (although we thought we had plenty of EMP bags, we really needed more, especially those in the larger sizes — but were able to improvise). We had an excellent multi-function wind-up SW radio/ recharger/ flashlight, candles, and some solar-rechargeable LED light arrays, but we really needed more of those, too.

Having read doodah’s excellent post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46887-From-Bill-Ryan-the-Ultimate-Hypothesis&p=520204#post520204), we wondered if things would be down for 15 days here as well. We planned to venture out, once things were safely locked down inside, and find out more about what had happened.

Having safeguarded all systems (including unplugging all appliances in case the power came back on with a sudden surge), we went out to see what was going on.

We quickly found out. The agent responsible for our rental had agreed to pay the electricity bill on our behalf (part of their job) — but had clean forgotten. We'd been disconnected by the electric company. The cellphone service was down... but came back a few hours later.

It was hilarious. But the 'fire drill' was really, really useful. If an X45 flare occurs (as occurred on 4 November 2003, but this time pointed our way) — we’ll be 100% prepared. And today we’re paying our electricity bill ourselves, in person, in cash.

:)

Wonderful story with a great moral lesson learned Bill. We actually laughed because this was the exact topic being discussed on the thread last night when the flare had just left the Sun.

Thank you for sharing!

[SEAM]

Exciting video..
But first... A long, long time ago, a very wise person told me "Don't worry, The Cosmos Provides".. It's been my credo since. (But it only works if you believe - he said)

This video from solar observer Starseeker shows an interesting magnetic anomaly interacting with a solar flare, pushing it back into the solar surface rather than allowing it to expand into space. First, the anomaly is not a planet (it would crash into the sun). It is most unlikely that it is a manufactured object of any sort, because it would be the size of Jupiter, which is 120 times as big as Earth. It must be some sort of magnetic effect that is not often observed. What significance it may have we don't know.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgs4QUNzZfI&feature=player_embedded#!

This was found on Whitley Streibers website: http://www.unknowncountry.com/out-there/another-strange-solar-explosion

Here is Whitleys comment pertaining to this:

There have been a number of solar flares that seem to be affected by what looks to me like an object near the sun. If it is a solid object, it cannot be a planet or, in fact, anything natural at all. Nothing in nature is going to survive that close to a star. Perhaps it is some kind of magnetic anomaly, I don't know, but it's hard to believe that it isn't there at all. I've seen it a number of times on NASA's own server, so unless they've taken to playing CGI games, it's there. When Linda Moulton Howe returns from Turkey, I will ask her to contact some solar scientists about it.
Posted by Whitley Strieber on 03 Jun 2012 at 19:03

[fourty-two]

thanks to all ... a good thread with great info and ideas! Special thanks to rmaurest in post 529
and I would encourage everyone to look at his website (Ideas for Self-Sufficient Living) for a treasure trove of related topics ronmauer.net

[gripreaper]

Hi Gripreaper and Avalonians - I came upon an interview of Bill where he mentioned some things and included something he heard from David Icke... something that goes like this...

"Fighting doesn't work... fighting continues the game... a game we've played for millions, trillions of years."

and -

"You can't solve it on earth by just being a human being... because within that consciousness we have created the problem.... it can only be resolved from a spiritual standpoint."

and - (what Bill heard from David Icke in reference to all the sub groups of the "cabal")

"I feel sorry for them... they've lost their way. They are spiritual beings who have forgotten who they are."

so I know I won't win any friends here, but nothing could ever change my mind that it is all and only "us" in this picture.

justoneofus

So true my friend, so true, outside of duality. That is the place where this all makes sense. In duality, the game sure can be fun though, can it not?

[steveofengland]

The satellites that have been classified are mainly used to detect high altitude explosions etc, bare that in mind for a minute. The alternative media is making a lot of noise about solar flares and the possible danger to our way of life (said through clenched teeth)
Now the only way of knowing that a huge solar flare is coming at a certain time, and which can be explained by the scientific community is if you create it yourself.

They can easily do it by detonating a device at very high altitude. Therefore creating the problem. We all jump up and down saying we told you so, the sun the sun, and all the while they sit watching in the safety of wherever while society implodes.

With a lage enough weapon, it could envelop the planet right? All blamed on a natural event.
Just a thought?

[Jeffrey]

Professor Mike Hapgood

Professor Hapgood examines the linkage between the science of space weather and its impact on technological systems, potential impact of Solar weather on orbital and ground based systems including power, energy and communications - as well as atmospheric physics.

Space weather is concerned with disturbances in Earth's upper atmosphere and in near-Earth space that can disrupt the advanced technologies on which our society now relies. A proper understanding of space weather requires us to bring together a range of scientific, engineering and economic expertise, emphasising the role of the electromagnetic force in many of the physical processes that cause space weather.

One example is the crucial role of plasma physics within the sources of space weather on the Sun, in the transmission of energy from the Sun to the Earth via the solar wind and Earth's magnetosphere.

Another is the role of the electric currents that naturally flow with near-Earth space and whose enhancements cause many of many space weather phenomena, such as the induced currents that threaten the operation of electric power grids.

On the engineering side, the lecture outlines the impacts of space weather on a wide range of advanced technologies including space systems, power grids and satellite navigation systems. It shows how serious risks from space weather have emerged over the past fifty years as advanced technologies have permeated modern societies - and that we have now reached a point where these risks are receiving serious attention from academia, industry and government.

Good engineering design must be the first line of defence against space weather, and engineering must be backed by situational awareness of conditions in space to enable a second line of defence through operational procedures. Illustration of these points includes key examples of how space weather effects are mitigated and how they may be tensioned against costs (and thus the economic impact of space weather).

Looking to the future, there are the key areas where action is needed to improve protection against space weather. The most important of these is to raise awareness of space weather outside the expert community, so that operations staff and decision-makers in sectors at risk are aware of the potential threat.

On the research side, we need a better understanding of many features of space weather: the background science, the engineering impacts, and, most importantly, the economic impacts. The latter is particularly challenging area for space weather because of the current limited availability of quantitative data.

The lecture includes some discussion of Lord Kelvin's scientific work in this area, in particular of his theoretical objections to the hypothesis that what we now call space weather has its origin on the Sun. We will show how Kelvin's arguments were well-based on late nineteenth century understanding of electromagnetism - and how the development of plasma physics in the twentieth century has resolved the objections that Kelvin raised (thereby transforming our understanding of the interactions between Sun and Earth).

Listen to The 102nd Kelvin Lecture 2011 - Space Weather: Nature's Electromagnetic Hazard here.

http://scpro.streamuk.com/uk/player/Default.aspx?wid=10604&ptid=32&t=0

[Hervé]

[...]

Now the only way of knowing that a huge solar flare is coming at a certain time, and which can be explained by the scientific community is if you create it yourself.

They can easily do it by detonating a device at very high altitude. Therefore creating the problem. We all jump up and down saying we told you so, the sun the sun, and all the while they sit watching in the safety of wherever while society implodes.

[...]

Just a thought?

The kind of thought I expressed in other words here:





John Kappenman, author of the Metatech study, estimates that it would cost about $1 billion to build special protective devices into the US grid to protect its EHV transformers from EMP or extreme GMD damage and to build stores of critical replacement parts should some of these items be damaged or destroyed.

For a measly one billion they could protect the grid, but they are not doing it.


Not only that but the alternative "Zero-Point" "Free Energy" solutions are determined "classified."

Perplexes me to no end.

Because this leads to assume there is a definite intention to let it happen if not another one of these false flags which would ensure that IT does happen and blame it on the sun as the obvious culprit.

Since indeed, "they" have been telling us what to expect with these non-sequitur MSM articles and bits and pieces of news and thereby also harnessing human creative abilities either from unconscious "creations" or because of utterly "protesting" it... much in the same way that this guy "predicts" an end result from implanted bits of info:


HM1TUdmuOeg


... and the only way to ensure the occurrence of such an unfortunate event is through the use of high altitude nuclear blasts EMPs which radioactive fallouts could then be blamed on the failing nuclear power plants... and we are back to the "Sacrifice to the gods" bit.



Either way, one would better be prepared for this "future."

The only thing is that if they want to affect the whole planet that way, they would need more than one source of EMP since these EMP blasts affect electronics located in their "direct line of sight" unless they have by now designed "EMP reflectors" following in the footsteps of HAARP research.

PS: Don't be misled by the video title, that video segment has nothing to do with scientology, it only has to do with methods on how to ensure "predictions" do happen the way they are intended.

[TargeT]

With a lage enough weapon, it could envelop the planet right? All blamed on a natural event.
Just a thought?

with a high altitude nuclear detonation and the ensuing EMP blast its basically a line of sight thing so there would have to be multiple detonations ( to cover the globe) & there's no way to explain away a nuclear detonation at high altitude, it would be very very visible.

[Hervé]

Talking of EMP blasts, here is the new "brilliant" idea from pentagon thunk-tanks:

Pentagon’s Mega Stun Gun Could Blast You Unconscious

By Lorenzo Franceschi-Bicchierai (http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/author/lorenzo/) July 10, 2012 |10:56 am |


Imagine a stun gun that doesn’t just drop you to the floor, but renders you unconscious for several minutes. This tech is called a “nano-second electrical pulse (http://www.dvidshub.net/publication/issues/10573),” and the Pentagon believes it could be used in a gun that would hit targets with high voltages of electricity for an amazingly short amount of time – we’re talking billionths of seconds here. That would make the enemy an easy capture. But today’s stun guns are already linked to dozens, if not hundreds, of abusive incidents. What happens if they become even more powerful?


Full article here: http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/07/mega-stun-gun/


The above implies an educated guess that they already know how to miniaturize something they already have for larger scale...

[Jeffrey]

http://www.eso.org/public/archives/releases/sciencepapers/eso1151/eso1151.pdf


Spiralling towards destruction, the gas cloud heading to the black hole at the centre of the Milky Way at five million miles an hour

Next year will see one of the biggest collisions ever observed by man.

A giant gas cloud will hit the massive black hole - known as Sagittarius A - which lies at the centre of our galaxy in 2013.

Actually, the cloud will miss by quite a distance - 24,000,000,000 miles to be semi-exact - and while this is quite a distance (indeed it takes light 36 hours to travel that far), the tidal forces of the black hole will rip the gas cloud apart.

One observer will be Stefan Gillessen, an astrophysicist at the Max Planck Institute for Extraterrestrial Physics in Munich, Germany, who has been observing the black hole for the last 20 years.

He said: 'So far there were only two stars that came that close to Sagittarius A. They passed unharmed, but this time will be different: the gas cloud will be completely ripped apart by the tidal forces of the black hole.'

As the cloud gets closer, it's speed gets quicker - it has doubled its speed in just seven years

Astronomers using ESO’s Very Large Telescope will also watch the black hole.

Colleague Reinhard Genzel at the Max-Planck Institute for Extraterrestrial Physicsy, has discovered a unique new object fast approaching the black hole.

Gillessen afd'The idea of an astronaut close to a black hole being stretched out to resemble spaghetti is familiar from science fiction. But we can now see this happening for real to the newly discovered cloud. It is not going to survive the experience,' explains Stefan Gillessen, the lead author of the paper.

The gas cloud will pass at a distance of only about 40 billion kilometers from the event horizon of the black hole, a distance of about 36 light-hours - very close, when it's an encounter with an object as powerful and destructive as a supermassive black hole.

As it approaches its doom, the cloud is glowing under the strong ultraviolet radiation from the hot stars around it in the crowded heart of the Milky Way.

As the cloud gets ever closer to the hungry beast, increasing external pressure will compress the cloud.

At the same time the huge gravitational pull from the black hole, which has a mass four million times that of the Sun, will continue to accelerate the inward motion and stretch the cloud out along its orbit.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/06/27/article-0-13D00473000005DC-511_634x375.jpg

The cloud’s edges are already starting to shred and disrupt and it is expected to break up completely over the next few years. The astronomers can already see clear signs of increasing disruption of the cloud over the period between 2008 and 2011.

The material is also expected to get much hotter as it nears the black hole in 2013 and it will probably start to give off X-rays. There is currently little material close to the black hole so the newly-arrived meal will be the dominant fuel for the black hole over the next few years.

One explanation for the formation of the cloud is that its material may have come from nearby young massive stars that are rapidly losing mass due to strong stellar winds. Such stars literally blow their gas away. Colliding stellar winds from a known double star in orbit around the central black hole may have led to the formation of the cloud.

'The next two years will be very interesting and should provide us with extremely valuable information on the behavior of matter around such remarkable massive objects,' says Reinhard Genzel.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2165467/Supermassive-black-hole-eat-gas-cloud-heart-Milky-Way-galaxy.html#ixzz20Y8BKvtl

[Jeffrey]

ennC4GKPc1s

[Carmody]

Someone asked me this by PM, and I have covered this in various threads, and I'll drop it in here, as well.

I've been reading as much as I can trying to clarify how exactly the energy between the two systems (solar system vs local cloud) is transferred. Astronomical alignments as a pathway for these "burps" to escape by means of portals and flux transfer events. I am just fascinated by all of this as I think it's a physical manifestation of more subtle, spiritual mechanics. idk

You mentioned the alignments of bodies within our system. I think maybe it could involve bodies outside of our system as well. Do you think the reverse could take place? An energy injected into our system by similar processes?

~~~~~~~~~~~~

The nature of energetic equalization makes it so.

look up how workers are brought into contact with high tension wires, or how birds can land on the same high tension lines.

The fields potentials have to equalize. With the high tension wires, regarding the intruding body, Bird, Human or whatever. same for the solar systems, the dust and the bodies , or planets in the system. Electric universe.

Also, the dust injected into the system allows for more 'current' flow, and thus this combination of higher current flow and field potential differential, creates this possibility of stressing in the sun's fields and all around it.

Thus the subtle mechanics of planetary alignment, geometrically speaking, take on greater effects or meaning (potentially) than they did beforehand.

These are possibilities based on fact, regarding gaseous charge and associated behavior. Mercury vapor bulbs, etc.

Except we are talking mega-mega volts of voltage differential and electron charge levels, not kilo-volts.

The sheer amounts of so called electrons, makes the whole thing mutable and volatile.

Potential, and electron charge, as differential, and so on. Plasma function and mega-mega volts of differential.

This is also how the Nazi bell, looking glass, and yellowbook operate. As well as being the secrets of alchemy. All the same.

I think the mainstream is getting the hint. See this:

Getting amped: Researchers develop instrument for exploring the cosmos and the quantum world (http://phys.org/news/2012-07-amped-instrument-exploring-cosmos-quantum.html)

Researchers at the California Institute of Technology (Caltech) and NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) have developed a new type of amplifier for boosting electrical signals. The device can be used for everything from studying stars, galaxies, and black holes to exploring the quantum world and developing quantum computers.

(they are equating quantum AND cosmological considerations)

And:

Synchrotrons help bring superconductors out of the cold (http://phys.org/news/2012-07-synchrotrons-superconductors-cold.html)

The longstanding search for a room temperature superconductor is fueled by a tantalizing set of possible applications that sound like science fiction: infinitely long power lines that never lose energy, magnetically levitating trains, and incredibly fast quantum computers.

A synchrotron, like Saskatoon’s CLS, where some of the experiments were performed, is a football-field-sized source of brilliant light that enables scientists to study the microstructure and chemical properties of materials The team found the first experimental evidence that a so-called “charge-density-wave instability” competes with superconductivity. Armed with this knowledge, scientists can start to design new materials that will bring superconductors out of the cold and into large-scale real world applications. “Without very specific evidence it is like theorists are shooting in the dark. Our new data will narrow their target significantly” explained Canadian Light Source scientist Dr. Feizhou He. The collaboration involved several prominent institutions, including the Max Planck Institute in Germany, Milan Polytechnic University and CNR-SPIN. The results were published this week in the journal Science.


and the critical bit, one of the comments:
Can anyone else tell me what they found?

I'll try. The real problem is that the future potential for higher temperature superconductors based on this discovery is unknown. Superconductors "work" by getting electrons to join into Cooper pairs. These pairs follow Bose-Einstein statistics which allow many (or all) of the pairs to be in the same energy state. (Individual electrons, and protons, follow Fermi-Dirac statistics, which only allow two particles in any one state.) Anyway, when the Cooper pairs form, you have a superconductor. In "high-temperature" copper-based superconductors, the (regular) backbone of copper and oxygen atoms causes/allows Cooper pairs to form at higher temperatures. But what of all those rare earth fractional ratios? This work shows that there is a competing frequency with a periodicity of ~3.2 lattice units. Apparently the rare earths can suppress this competing frequency. But have the best combinations already been found?

Why is all this important? well.... read:

It was 1970, and Popp, a theoretical biophysicist at the University of Marburg in Germany, had been teaching radiology -- the interaction of electromagnetic (EM) radiation on biological systems. Popp was too early to worry about things like cellphones and microwave towers which are now commonly linked with cancers and leukemia. His world was much smaller.

He'd been examining two almost identical molecules: benzo[a]pyrene, a polycyclic hydrocarbon known to be one of the most lethal carcinogens to humans, and its twin (save for a tiny alteration in its molecular makeup), benzo[e]pyrene. He had illuminated both molecules with ultraviolet (UV) light in an attempt to find exactly what made these two almost identical molecules so different.

Why Ultra-violet light?

Popp chose to work specifically with UV light because of the experiments of a Russian biologist named Alexander Gurwitsch who, while working with onions in 1923, discovered that roots could stimulate a neighboring plant's roots if the two adjacent plants were in quartz glass pots but not if they were in silicon glass pots. The only difference being that the silicon filtered UV wavelengths of light while the quartz did not. Gurwitsch theorized that onion roots could communicate with each other by ultraviolet light.

http://www.viewzone.com/dnax.html

Lensing of particles that are shorter than the wavelengths involved or close to the wavelengths involved.

That's alchemy.

interstellar dust, nanodust, that's alchemy.

Massive amounts of light and charge differential impacting on those nano-particles, integrating with them, they changing the light and the light changing them. a massive 'grouped charge coupling effect'.

That's the Nazi bell (Jospeh P. Farrell's books), Looking Glass..and Yellowbook.

The basic principles are all the same.

What is alchemy for?......it is for....energetic and dimensional shifting. it is based on making nano particles from elements that are each superconducting. They are shifted into this state via electrochemical means.

In the solar system and associated spaces... they are created via electrical charge. massive voltage charge. This is how we are making nano-particles these days... massive amounts of electrical charge differential.

Time and dimensional activities are local, due to these issues and situations.

[Jeffrey]

Someone asked me this by PM, and I have covered this in various threads, and I'll drop it in here, as well.

I've been reading as much as I can trying to clarify how exactly the energy between the two systems (solar system vs local cloud) is transferred. Astronomical alignments as a pathway for these "burps" to escape by means of portals and flux transfer events. I am just fascinated by all of this as I think it's a physical manifestation of more subtle, spiritual mechanics. idk

You mentioned the alignments of bodies within our system. I think maybe it could involve bodies outside of our system as well. Do you think the reverse could take place? An energy injected into our system by similar processes?

~~~~~~~~~~~~

The nature of energetic equalization makes it so.

look up how workers are brought into contact with high tension wires, or how birds can land on the same high tension lines.

The fields potentials have to equalize. With the high tension wires, regarding the intruding body, Bird, Human or whatever. same for the solar systems, the dust and the bodies , or planets in the system. Electric universe.

Also, the dust injected into the system allows for more 'current' flow, and thus this combination of higher current flow and field potential differential, creates this possibility of stressing in the sun's fields and all around it.

Thus the subtle mechanics of planetary alignment, geometrically speaking, take on greater effects or meaning (potentially) than they did beforehand.

These are possibilities based on fact, regarding gaseous charge and associated behavior. Mercury vapor bulbs, etc.

Except we are talking mega-mega volts of voltage differential and electron charge levels, not kilo-volts.

The sheer amounts of so called electrons, makes the whole thing mutable and volatile.

Potential, and electron charge, as differential, and so on. Plasma function and mega-mega volts of differential.

This is also how the Nazi bell, looking glass, and yellowbook operate. As well as being the secrets of alchemy. All the same.



Thank you.

So, this process is similar to a Van de Graaf generator (with way more variables/complexity and on a way bigger scale)?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/82/Van_de_graaff_generator_sm.jpg/220px-Van_de_graaff_generator_sm.jpg http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/66/3366-004-8E50176E.gif

But the belt would be somewhat equivalent to the build up due to the frictional forces where the heliosphere meets the Local Interstellar Cloud. This charge differential has been slowly building up on the heliosphere/LIC barrier and the process of discharge is delayed because of the damping effects the LIC has on our system. Right? Am I mixing up concepts here?

But now it's at a critical barrier (or the stage is set so to speak) and it's waiting on two things basically:

1) enough build up of this "dust" that has been leaking into our system

2) the right "pathway" of astrological bodies to align

This is why it's a perfect storm of sorts and we are just waiting for the lightning to strike. Major plasma phenomena it our atmosphere. Am I getting that right?

Once this process commences I guess it would last as long as the alignments allowed - probably ~3 days. (could the sun appear to "lose it's light" during the alignments if this flux transfer like event took place?)

Another thing I thought was interesting is that this fluff is held together by a strong magnetic magnetic field. Couple that with the theories of electromagnetism and consciousness ... could be a physical bleedthrough of a more metaphysical reality, energy draining and all to keep the systems balanced and overcome the resistive forces at the barrier.

Also, equating EM fields and consciousness lends creedence to the theory that the collective (un)consciousness of the planet could actually have an effect on what will happen regarding "the burps" (you know that whole ascension motto). Wonder if it correlates specifically with the celestial bodies involved in the alignments (orion and venus come to mind idk).

Made me think of Crowley and the moon child talking about how this process works by injecting energy into our system (or obversely, walk-ins).

Still chewing. Awaiting clarifications if anybody has em.

PS Amzer Zo there's your plasma event explaination for the nanoparticles trapped it the glass bubbles on the moon

[ThePythonicCow]

Spiralling towards destruction, the gas cloud heading to the black hole at the centre of the Milky Way at five million miles an hour

Next year will see one of the biggest collisions ever observed by man.

A giant gas cloud will hit the massive black hole - known as Sagittarius A - which lies at the centre of our galaxy in 2013.

Actually, the cloud will miss by quite a distance - 24,000,000,000 miles to be semi-exact - and while this is quite a distance (indeed it takes light 36 hours to travel that far), the tidal forces of the black hole will rip the gas cloud apart.

Wow!

The sun (and the earth) are about 27,000 light years from the center of the Milky Way galaxy. So if we're seeing this now, that means it happened 27,000 years ago.

Whatever came of that near collision and destruction of that gas cloud perhaps sent off an immense wave of energy, outward from the center of our galaxy, that has been speeding it's way toward us, at near light speeds, for the last 27,000 years.




http://blog.ajn.me/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/incoming.jpg


Such an energetic wave could seriously annoy our sun, making for some exciting times here on earth.

Could this be Paul LaViolette's Galactic Superwave (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_autor_laviolette.htm)?

(I just placed some EMP bags (http://amzn.com/B0081V8YOE) in my Amazon shopping cart :).)

[syrwong]

There is a series of ongoing communications from a “Captain Bill” of a ship from Andromeda, which can be found on Youtube entitled “Answers of an alien from Andromeda”. I find a lot of what he says believable, and one recent video has even been banned by Youtube without giving any reason. That I suppose adds value to what he has to say.

Quite Interestingly, in the most recent video Captain Bill commented on something of relevance to this thread:

Many very large spacecraft are crossing the solar portal these days; do not know the details of the plans of CG but it seem a major operation being organized. The Camelopardalis and Sirius are also very active in the system. Great movement also on the route Earth Mars, many ships with operators Grays are moving between bases of your governments and Martian bases, performing transportation of cargo. I've never seen the system as busy as now.

Could Mars be the Alternative 3 for them?

What do we make of the information in this thread? Is there a carefully planned disinformation campaign to confuse and scare us, or have we discovered a secret exodus? I personally think the latter is more likely, for the simple reason it echoes very well with the Chapter 1 Big Picture of Project Camelot. Now that we are in the final chapter, we may be surprised to see that almost all that we have heard, and almost all that we have suspected at PA are actually true!
:p

[noxon medem]

..
-

Please excuse a digression ..
- not to divert ...

But what is the real
connection between "this and that" . ..

? So -
( what do you say )

- Anyhow, where and way , and ..
Be (a) Well .

..

- maybe that :

17377

or (what)

- lightning fuel, a DeLorean (vehicle) .....
( back to the 80s movie dreams ..).

"!?!"

:- )

PS.
If you see a DeLorien you know
- It is possible .!.
:jester:

PPS:
- some DeLorean (from D or GMC) images

17446

17445

17447

- Back to the future
( Back on the road ..).

..
-

PPPS
and some music to go with it :
GMS , "Overdose" ..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NtGH_WMTKo
(turn up the volume, think of the neighbour)

nm

[Rocky_Shorz]

well eyes in the sky are out from the 1.4 X-class that just popped off at earth...

dark energy waves going on while these waves are rolling in...

hey elites, are your bags packed yet?


fill a bathtub with water for now until further update, just in case...

I was out for a walk when the energy hit us, I felt so light headed I had to grab a tree to keep from floating away...

So that's what it was. I was driving a truck down the highway and had to stop to sleep. I was way too dizzy to negotiate reality, for at least 1/2 hour. I had to literally stop, clear the front seat out, lie down...make it to at least the dream state, then back out again, into the so called reality state..and I was fine again. This also explains the migraine headaches, which happen in sync with solar flares, in my case.

I chuckled hearing Bill's story, and he did see my hint about filling a Bathtub... lol

all of you listen...

when you are bombarbed with Energy if you don't do something with it, you get a migrane... angry, fuse is instant... all of you know what I mean...

send rain to the midwest...

imagine the earths protection, send energy up like Atlantis holding it to protect the earth...

we are being given power for our gifts, they want to know if we can handle it ourselves...

tonight is the trial 4 hours from now, you will be so filled with energy you will feel like exploding...

give the jet stream a nudge to get it moving...

give the ocean a cleansing, make garbage disappear....

now is your time so use your gifts...

I'm trying to steer a ship my passengers don't even know they are on... all your help is beyond appreciated...

Iran is pushing to stop nuke development...

we're winning let's keep it up...

we are Avalon, the most peaceful wonderful training ground for Indigos and the gifted...

children love sunny weather on vacation, but, they like food too teach them with thought how to bring it where it is needed...

they're listening and lighting up like Stars, it's their world, we're here to help...

[SEAM]

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/pk4f3fca5b.gif
Gee, I wonder why Colorado is the new CIA headquarters.

Dennis

or Dick Cheney residing in Wyoming.. Elite Entertainment folks in Utah.. And last but certainly not least - Ted Turner: purchased 14 ranches in 7 western states: 4 in Montana, 4 in Nebraska, and 3 others in South Dakota, Kansas, and Oklahoma. In New Mexico alone, he owns more than 1 million acres. (hedging his bets?)

[Carmody]

usually the music I'm listening to somehow reflects how my day is going or how the life is flowing. the music is random and out of my control, it is on a sat dish channel.

I'm usually finding this synchronicity..in the 'here and now' thread.

For the past few days, it has been this thread. Now, this morning, it is this song here, as I peer into this thread, and check it's motion and progress:

Freaky for some, normal for me. Oh well...

White elephant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_elephant), From Ladytron..and the album is called 'gravity the seducer'

7cKEy0BFfQw



Surrender with me
We're walking in our sleep,
I won't come around for you
Leave the story at the shore,
In case you thought it done
I guess it is we're so boring

Now surrender with me
Cause we're walking in our sleep,
And won't come 'round

Hey, put our pistols down,
Crawl along the ground.
Where we won't,
Won't be found.

Surrender with me
And bring your violin,
Photographs and some black strings
For when we're breaking stones,
The only things we know
Are tiger's eyes and lost things

Now, surrender with me
Cause we're walking in our sleep,
And won't come 'round

Hey, put our pencils down,
And go back underground
Where we won't,
Won't be found

Now, surrender with me
Cause we're walking in our sleep,
And won't come 'round

Hey, put our pistols down,
And crawl along the ground
Where we won't,
Where we won't,
Won't be found

~~~~~~~~~~
Odd stuff, is it not? (direction? I'm not sure.........)

But we are indeed walking in our sleep. ( for the non-native English speakers..."come 'round", in this context means "to awaken")

The vast majority of what we are is autonomous and below conscious knowing.

Working your eyes, listening to the video, looking at the screen, moving bodies and limbs about..with articulation, thinking processes at the root level, all of that and more.... is ...AUTONOMOUS and beneath conscious recognition.

Think of it this way. look at these bits of color differential and somehow recognize them as words, in your head. They 'speak' (usually with your voice) in your head. Now, hold a limb up, probably an arm,and move it about.

How much of that was conscious words, in your head? That is what I mean. 90%, or more (depending) of your life...is autonomous and has no "conscious" aspects to it.

And THAT..is the part that the PTB and associated aspects do their damnedest to whip into a directed frenzy, a frenzy... that is out of your conscious knowing. After all, if the 90% is disconnected, why prioritize the remaining 10%, at all? (when it comes to the vast majority of humanity). Feed the 10% 'conscious' components a few words to suckle on, a few moving images, and get on with the rest of it.

Just one angle to consider along with all the rest.

[Chester]

Hi Gripreaper and Avalonians - I came upon an interview of Bill where he mentioned some things and included something he heard from David Icke... something that goes like this...

"Fighting doesn't work... fighting continues the game... a game we've played for millions, trillions of years."

and -

"You can't solve it on earth by just being a human being... because within that consciousness we have created the problem.... it can only be resolved from a spiritual standpoint."

and - (what Bill heard from David Icke in reference to all the sub groups of the "cabal")

"I feel sorry for them... they've lost their way. They are spiritual beings who have forgotten who they are."

so I know I won't win any friends here, but nothing could ever change my mind that it is all and only "us" in this picture.

justoneofus

So true my friend, so true, outside of duality. That is the place where this all makes sense. In duality, the game sure can be fun though, can it not?

You know, Grip... and in being completely honest, yes. Not only has it been fun, but it has also been not fun. Meaning, some of my experiences (especially a most recent one - last Monday morning at about 1:30 AM) are experiences I would have preferred to avoid.

And in light of the subject matter we are discussing on this thread, another possibility that to me would be anything but fun.

Anyways, I am sure I have been a hermit more than once in my past lives and am almost one again (if not for Avalon I might be almost 100% isolated).

You know what keeps my one foot on the game ground? Loved ones. That I might be able to be good for one or more of them in some way.

There are posters here on Avalon that even though I do not know in person and in most cases have nothing to put together with the words they type (a face, a voice, a physical energy one can experience when in the presence of someone else), I love them too.

I love you Gripreaper.

justoneman

[K626]

The greys are biomechanical-electromagnetic entities built for inter-dimensional travel (time travel of sorts). It is quite possible they have been sent back to fix some stuff from our future. Mankind has already sufferred extinction events on this planet and yes there have been re-boots (seeding).

love

K

[SKIBADABOMSKI]

Open your mind to the pathway of truth. Let the colors of life help you fly...
You can walk through this world of dreams and phantasy, and you will find your own reality.

[Chester]

You know... in a strange way, I had once thought that this thread could have a negative impact (feed the fear porn eater within us) and in some ways I was questioning, "Why, Bill, would you write that OP?"

And then as I listen to Bill's 2009 interview with Freedom Central, a different thought has crossed my mind. And, please, don't think I am suggesting this is something Bill considered... but I get the feeling Bill believes in us. I get the feeling Bill believes that by putting this before Avalonians (and Avalonians includes non-members who read this forum, those of like mind who may come across an Avalonian)... by placing this possibility out into "the field" this would stimulate within us the conscious thoughts that might join into the foundations of the solution.

I am not going to allow lower emotions to dominate the energies I put out. I am into solution which first and foremost is founded by love, compassion and always striving to do the right thing.

[Jeffrey]

http://www.solstation.com/x-objects/chimney.htm

Will edit expand link later. On my phone, limited

[papperkash]

Sometimes a wound won't heal until the source of infection is removed.

We can't heal until the powers that be are disconnected, destabilised or ejected in some way. I hope this occurs in my lifetime... and then the solution (us) can get to work and heal.... Wouldn't even take us that long when working with the right heart.

If we sour the milk a little, hopefully the leach will go away. Maybe our opportunity to sour the milk is partly now and partly right around the corner. Positive directed intent and the energetic vibrations of love could be just the medicine we need to succeed. Our ability to do this, I suspect has been dampened deliberately, but 2012 changes, may undo the deliberate dampening, with devastating consequences for the darker forces.

I welcome a golden age.

Just my wild speculation.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Sometimes a wound won't heal until the source of infection is removed.

We can't heal until the powers that be are disconnected, destabilised or ejected in some way.

Love and forgiveness for the cabal can begin (might take a while) after the cabal and their minions have lost their power to limit freedom and well being for all.

Meanwhile, love your mate, your friends, your dog, anything at all. Just love as much as you can. Love and appreciation can help change everything.

[Feren]

As I posted earlier, I suspect a big problem is a combination of cycles all happening at once to create the “perfect EM storm”.



This is what Camelot witness Henry Deacon always said to us -- right from when we first met him in 2006. "The problem is that everything is happening at once."

I agree. When I first started to investigate about all these topics (TPTB, E.Ts, the buried human history, etc) I had the feeling that it was too much information and that it would be impossible to distinguish lies from truth.
That early feeling became, I think, a more mature skepticism that allows me to avoid external disturbances to my process of awakening. Now I think 'yes, it's all happening at once, and it's a lot to deal with, but I don't have to solve it all: I have to do my little part and help others do theirs in the same way others have helped me'.
So I don't know what the is exactly the setting of the higher spheres of power, but I know who I am and whatthey I have to do. If this (elites leaving the planet) is really happening, what we must think is how would that help us in the search for a profound change in our existence.
If we do not do each one's part, the necroses that affects our world will do nothing but grow.

[Chester]

To AnthonyBacala -
Thank You for your posts. That was an amazing story (the car incident). Thanks for all the great research regarding the new Denver airport. It is sad to me that one single person would spend energy, time and money in producing those art works and placing them in that airport for many of us to have to pass by and notice. It is strange they don't seem to understand how it all really works (especially in the long run)... but I will never give up on any spirit being in that they can one day discover peace.
Once again, thanks... Chester

[goinghome2012]

santos bonacci

http://www.in5d.com/santos-bonacci-reclaiming-dominion.html

This man has also claimed that Mother Earth will transform into a beautiful star.

i guess there are a lot of crazy people out there.

my take on this

as the sun closes a cycle the sun will expand consuming Mercury And Venus and Earth will be pushed into a new orbit around the sun.

the sun will lose 90% of it's mass as it expands and that mass(energy) from the sun will be injected into Earth's core through it's north and south poles

The Cosmic Father birthing a new reality within the womb of the Cosmic Mother.

injecting the fire within her womb

Earth's core will eventually expand and build pressure.

Once pressure is achieved the crust will be blown off the cores surface which will then reveal a Neutron star.

This Neutron Star will then begin to feed on the remaining mass that the sun has and a supernova will be the end result.

Earth is a starseed, resulting in the birth of many other stars, us. We are stars being born.

peace and love

[Bill Ryan]

santos bonacci

http://www.in5d.com/santos-bonacci-reclaiming-dominion.html

This man has also claimed that Mother Earth will transform into a beautiful star.

i guess there are a lot of crazy people out there.

my take on this

as the sun closes a cycle the sun will expand consuming Mercury And Venus and Earth will be pushed into a new orbit around the sun.

the sun will lose 90% of it's mass as it expands and that mass(energy) from the sun will be injected into Earth's core through it's north and south poles

The Cosmic Father birthing a new reality within the womb of the Cosmic Mother.

injecting the fire within her womb

Earth's core will eventually expand and build pressure.

Once pressure is achieved the crust will be blown off the cores surface which will then reveal a Neutron star.

This Neutron Star will then begin to feed on the remaining mass that the sun has and a supernova will be the end result.

Earth is a starseed, resulting in the birth of many other stars, us. We are stars being born.

peace and love

No personal disrespect intended: I know that you write with personal integrity and sincere belief. But please don't submit this gibbering nonsense (because this is what it is!) on this up-till-now highly intelligent and well-informed thread.

:focus:

[goinghome2012]

No personal disrespect intended: I know that you write with personal integrity and sincere belief. But please don't submit this gibbering nonsense (because this is what it is!) on this up-till-now highly intelligent and well-informed thread.

:focus:

thank you for this forum, it gives me an option to express myself freely and openly in a non judgemental fashion

just curious why does my opinion or theory offend you so much?

why couldn't this happen?

[Bill Ryan]

No personal disrespect intended: I know that you write with personal integrity and sincere belief. But please don't submit this gibbering nonsense (because this is what it is!) on this up-till-now highly intelligent and well-informed thread.

:focus:

why couldn't this happen?


It'll be several billion years before the sun turns into a "Red Giant" (i.e. expanding in size until it consumes the inner planets).

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070513181644AAdAjMb









Will the Sun go Nova one day?

If the sun went nova it would destroy every known planet in the Solar System.

But the sun is not massive enough to go nova. In 4-5 billion years the Hydrogen fuel in the sun's core will have all been converted to helium. The core will contract and heat up, and upon reaching 100 million degrees Celsius, Helium fusion will begin.

The outer layers of the sun will expand to about Earth's orbit, becoming a red giant, but the loss of mass early in this phase will mean that Earth will probably move to a wider orbit, and not be engulfed as Mercury would be and Venus would probably be.

Although the expansion cools the sun somewhat and makes it emit redder light, the heat emitted will be much higher than today, and despite being further out, Earth's oceans will boil away, and become like Venus now, until the atmosphere, too, is lost to space.

The red giant phase will be short lived, and eventually the outer layers will puff away due to thermal pulsations, forming a planetary nebula, leaving the core a tiny white dwarf that will slowly cool and dim.

There will be no nova here, but the outlook for Earth is not good. Fortunately, we'll all be extinct long before the red giant phase.

[Dennis Leahy]

No personal disrespect intended: I know that you write with personal integrity and sincere belief. But please don't submit this gibbering nonsense (because this is what it is!) on this up-till-now highly intelligent and well-informed thread.

:focus:


why couldn't this happen? I am of Irish descent, so I could propose a theory where Earth turns into a giant potato. If I wanted to make sure it related tangentially to this topic, I'd include some of Bill's original post (a large CME causing a DNA shift in Gaia, turning her into a potato, for example.) It would, however, be a silly departure from a group of people discussing what Bill hypothesized in the originating post of the thread. You even said. "i guess there are a lot of crazy people out there."

Dennis

[jagman]

Hello Bill, I was wondering, If you could make a short video discussing your hypothesis? Or a audio recording? There are quite a few members
here who are visually impaired.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Wow!

The sun (and the earth) are about 27,000 light years from the center of the Milky Way galaxy. So if we're seeing this now, that means it happened 27,000 years ago.

Whatever came of that near collision and destruction of that gas cloud perhaps sent off an immense wave of energy, outward from the center of our galaxy, that has been speeding it's way toward us, at near light speeds, for the last 27,000 years.

Such an energetic wave could seriously annoy our sun, making for some exciting times here on earth.


isn't the Mayan Calendar 27,000 years old?

[Jeffrey]

http://sciences.blogs.liberation.fr/home/files/Courtillot07EPSL.pdf

[Rocky_Shorz]

how many had their cell phone batteries die today in half the time it normally does?

I saw 16.5 protons/cubic cm today when my battery was draining...

does it drain electrons when protons pass through a battery?

[Jeffrey]

Cyclotron radiation is electromagnetic radiation emitted by moving charged particles deflected by a magnetic field. The Lorentz force on the particles acts perpendicular to both the magnetic field lines and the particles' motion through them, creating an acceleration of charged particles that causes them to emit radiation as a result of the acceleration they undergo as they spiral around the lines of the magnetic field.

The name of this radiation derives from the cyclotron, a type of particle accelerator used since the 1930s to create highly energetic particles for study. The cyclotron makes use of the circular orbits that charged particles exhibit in a uniform magnetic field. Furthermore, the period of the orbit is independent of the energy of the particles, allowing the cyclotron to operate at a set frequency. Cyclotron radiation is emitted by all charged particles travelling through magnetic fields, not just those in cyclotrons. Cyclotron radiation from plasma in the interstellar medium or around black holes and other astronomical phenomena is an important source of information about distant magnetic fields.

In the context of magnetic fusion energy, cyclotron radiation losses translate into a requirement for a minimum plasma energy density in relation to the magnetic field energy density (see Aneutronic fusion, Power density and energy balance).

Cyclotron radiation would likely be produced in a high altitude nuclear explosion. Gamma rays produced by the explosion would ionize atoms in the upper atmosphere and those free electrons would interact with the Earth's magnetic field to produce cyclotron radiation in the form of an electromagnetic pulse (EMP). This phenomenon is of concern to the military as the EMP may damage solid state electronic equipment.

Cyclotron radiation has a spectrum with its main spike at the same fundamental frequency as the particle's orbit, and harmonics at higher integral factors. Harmonics are the result of imperfections in the actual emission environment, which also create a broadening of the spectral lines. The most obvious source of line broadening is non-uniformities in the magnetic field; as an electron passes from one area of the field to another, its emission frequency will change with the strength of the field. Other sources of broadening include collisional broadening as the electron will invariably fail to follow a perfect orbit, distortions of the emission caused by interactions with the surrounding plasma, and relativistic effects if the charged particles are sufficiently energetic. When the electrons are moving at relativistic speeds, cyclotron radiation is known as synchrotron radiation.

The recoil experienced by a particle emitting cyclotron radiation is called radiation reaction. Radiation reaction acts as a resistance to motion in a cyclotron; and the work necessary to overcome it is the main energetic cost of accelerating a particle in a cyclotron. Cyclotrons are prime examples of systems which experience radiation reaction.

Source: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclotron_radiation#section_footer

[Bill Ryan]

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Here's a really fascinating post from the Nesara News blog. (This may be the one and only time I'll ever cross-post something from there!)

It rambles around quite a bit, and there are way too many exclamation marks -- but it's all about time loops, and the author really might not be 100% wrong. It's copied verbatim and in full.

Following this, two posts below, I've copied my reply to the friend who sent me the link and asked me for my opinion. That may show why I found this interesting.

I should also add, in passing, that I do NOT attach any credibility to Andy Basiago's reports about Mars -- which is a separate topic. He was definitely involved in teleportation experiments when he was a child -- but his Mars 'recollections' came much more recently, and both Kerry and I strongly suspect that these are screen memories designed to later discredit his TRUE testimony.

Back to the topic: :)

http://nesaranews.blogspot.ca/2012/07/heres-new-twist-what-do-you-think-of.html






By Shannon - Posted on 11 July 2012

Okay, I've finally got to say it. There is so much evidence to support this idea, that it can NO LONGER be called a theory, but really simply has to be given its place in the records as how things have actually happened.

THE WORLD (all of us humans on it) and all of the events taking place with-in space-time, from a certain point in history (most likely) 1947 have been STUCK in a repeating TIME LOOP which only a few people know anything about.

Those people, many from what has become known as the CABAL, and many from the MILITARY are fighting a very real war for control of the planet Earth by using the technology of TIME TRAVEL as spoken about by ANDY BASIAGO in his revelations about D.A.R.P.A. , Teleportation, and the secret government’s experiments using Tesla based technologies to gain quantum access by a number of means.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/28/andrew-basiago-seattle-attorney-time-travels_n_1438216.html

But…, where ANDY leaves off, many of us, to now include Alfred Lambremont Webre, have picked up and have put the pieces of the puzzle together in a way that CANNOT BE DENIED.

See this article on his website: Exopolitics.com for starters and pay close attention to part 10.

http://exopolitics.blogs.com/exopolitics/2012/04/memo-to-david-wilcock-drake-benjamin-fulford-alexander-romanov-chodoin-daikaku-.html...

Deeper and deeper the rabbit hole goes and I myself have a few things to say that even our dear Alfred has left out.

It is my opinion that in their insane bid to enslave and completely control mankind, the CABAL began sending back all relevant information pertinent to the control of the masses BACK IN TIME, from many varying points in the future, to THEMSELVES in the past.

Now you know why the Micheal J. FOX movies (The BACK TO THE FUTURE trilogy) were so very necessary to be made.

Movies of this type HAD TO BE MADE in order for the ridicule factor to even be possible by the CIA degenerates who would be called upon hide this fact from the population at large. The movie TIME COP also was part of this plausible deniability project.

The 3 episodes of Back TO THE FUTURE and the movie TIME COP were the cover stories for ridicule and plausible deniability in the event the even ONE PERSON caught wind of what was happening with in the secret governments TIME TRAVEL programs!

Isn’t it nice they threw in a laughably silly twist and made the time travel machine a cute little car (a DeLorean), and the speed at which time travel occurred (88 miles per hour), part of the whole joking “this can only be laughed at" scenario of the movie?!

Sadly, it is my conviction that the Director of BACK TO THE FUTURE was used, and perhaps even KNOWINGLY was involved in this super-secret attempt at Dis-info/Mind Control to keep the masses from even thinking about what may have been going on behind their backs!

In one of his lectures (which has been recorded and I have on video in my personal files) Phil Corso Jr., (the son of the well-known Colonel Phillip Corso , who had worked at both the WHITE HOUSE and THE PENTAGON, and who wrote the book: THE DAY AFTER ROSWELL), admitted that whether or not UFO's were real, that the UFO cover-up was NEVER the main secret being kept by the government as supposed by Dr. STEVEN GREER of the disclosure movement!

He went on to say that it was very short-sighted by those in the UFO community to be so side-tracked in their bid for DISCLOSURE, that they missed the entire forest for the trees. (my words, not his)

THE MAIN SECRET, he said, is and HAS ALWAYS BEEN “TIME TRAVEL” and the fact that TIME has been compromised!

Which explains why I am such a large supporter of Andy Basiago, and of Alfred Lambremont Webre! Please go to http://exopolitics.com and spend a few days reading there!

This was, “…the kind of information that any and all who fell upon it would be killed for...,” according to Corso Jr., and not whether or not a flying saucer had been seen, or whether or not they were even real!

The reason that UFOs and their presence was kept secret by the U.S. and other governments was that the way they traveled through space, was by default a means of achieving time travel, and that ANY INQUIRY WHATSOEVER made by a curious public as to how it was that any alien craft traveled through space would have to establish THIS FACT, (the time travel connection) and therefore the whole UFO question by DEFAULT had to be classified as well!

He also said that, UNLIKE so many other people lecturing on the Roswell incident, his information from his father suggested that the vehicle that crashed was not totally UNEXPECTED by a few secret members of the military, in the sense that they had been waiting for it!

This is AWESOME, and yet disturbing in and of itself!

The crash, according to Corso Jr, may have been unexpected, but not the appearance of the vehicle, which WAS expected.

Now WHY would the vehicle have been expected?

According to his information, some of which he shared, and some of which you have to use your head and then insert the missing pieces to conclude, was that some of the military had told his father that the EBE's, or advanced robotic entities who were flying the craft were in fact bringing back information from the future!

Just who the target recipients of this information were, he did not discuss, but it is safe to assume that it was members of the secret government or the CABAL, who were supposed to receive and then ACT upon this information.

A more chilling fact was brought out in another lecture by Corso Jr., and it was the idea that he was involved in a project with the military where he personally was actually designing and developing THE VERY CRAFT which would once again be sent back in time with all of the necessary information to 1947, and that it HAD to be sent back before a certain period he was told.

One can only guess what kind of information was retrieved from the still operating EBE-robotic entity that they recovered from that crash, but a small advanced android could certainly contain quite a bit of information about the future I would surmise.

Phil Corso Jr, however is not the only one who admitted this type of strange advance knowing about things to come. In one his most famous YOUTUBE videos, PHIL SCHNIEDER told the world that during his years of contracting to build some of the US's many deep underground bases and cities, that while drilling holes that would eventually be used to square off a deep underground base or city, the drillers struck an underground cavern filled with Grey Aliens. He said that when he was lowered down into one of the shafts/holes to see what was holding up the drilling or what they had struck, when he was confronted by a group of Aliens and subsequently shot one or two of them before coming back up to the surface.

This information is NOT nearly as important to me however as what he said next and that was that he was TOLD by the higher ups in the intelligence services when he filed a report that they were fully aware of their presence (the Grey Aliens) in that vicinity, and that they had expected him to find them!!

Think about it. He's drilling a hole for the first time, (the first time in this loop of time, I mean) and the Grey Aliens are living or squatting down there, and sends the military a report of what happens, and they say, "Oh yeah, we forgot to tell you they were there, we knew that."

HOW COULD THEY HAVE KNOWN THAT?

Enter the cascading waterfall of future information being sent back in time, and suddenly all of these things that are happening are no longer a surprise, but are expected!

The truth of the matter is this: NOT ONLY HAS TIME BEEN COMPROMISED, but it has been compromised by a CABAL that wants to take over and ENSLAVE THE WORLD AND ALL LIVING BEINGS on the world.

My opinion is that the period of time between 1947 and 2012 has become a period of time that is now looping over and over and over again, and who really knows how many loops we've gone through in this bid up to 2012 and the GOLDEN AGE?

What is certain is that those who either know about, or are controlling the loops have NO DESIRE for a Golden Age to occur, while those who may be of the so-called Positive Military are too yellow bellied, cowardly, squeamish and lily-livered to come out into the open light of day and say anything about what is really going on here!

There are some of the military as we speak who do know about this and in my belief that are trying to set matters right, but this is a battle that has now taken on EPIC proportions. I don’t know why they don’t ask for the PUBLIC’s HELP!

(THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE)

This could have been going on for hundreds and hundreds (if not thousands) of years by now, and all of the focus has been centering around this period of time from 1947 to 2012.

I believe that the positive Extraterrestrials were NEVER supposed to do what they are doing now, and only got involved because this matter had gotten so out of hand!

I believe that due to the breach of the fabric of time, and the advanced technology that was being carted backward from the future by the CABAL, those of us who were innocent by-standers in this bastardized time-line were so ill equipped to defend ourselves and so ill equipped to even mount a defense against the advanced information and advanced technology they were bringing back from their own darkly inclined scientists, that the CREATOR himself had to act!!

It is my humble opinion that as more and more successive time loops occurred, the CABAL was able to bring back more and more advanced technology from the future so that as soon as a newly dug underground base was finished, it was filled immediately with advanced technology that was brought back from a preceding loop from our own future.

In his excursions as a child participant in D.A.R.P.A’s quantum access programs, Andy Basiago has said that while he was sent many times to FORD’s THEATRE to witness the murder of Abraham Lincoln, each successive time he went back, he ran into other images or reflections of himself as well, which were also there doing the exact same mission.

It is my opinion that THIS ALONE is the reason why anyone who listens to CHANNELED INFORMATION is not getting the whole story, but a possible version of the story that was pertinent at some point on one of these many LOOPS!

My theory about this is that with each successive loop, all things that happened before, happen again, as ghostly images in the new loop…, as well as those new things that did NOT HAPPEN before, but have NOW BEEN INSERTED BY THE CABAL!

This is why so many predictions have come and gone. Why so many things have been channeled and not happened in the way it was said it would occur.

The sum total of all of these channeled messages from every loop are still there, all those from previous time loops, and well as those that are meant for us in the current loop.

Just like the strange ghostly images of himself that Andy Basiago encountered at Ford’s Theatre, we are encountering ghostly images of past information that were sent to previous loops of time where the conditions were not as dire as they are NOW!

Continuing on with where I was, this is what I believe has given the rise to the so called: BREAK AWAY CIVILIZATIONS that have been thriving underground in these bases and cities right under our feet.

It has been stated by whistle blowers of many types that there were in fact TWO distinct societies in the united states; one that was above ground and the one below ground. The one above ground was living out the mundane and yet now very altered and bastardized version of time---a version that had been literally sterilized, and neutered of many of the random events that would be beneficial to human beings as a whole and steer it in such a fashion as to augment to vision of those who would enslave the world! And as each year passed, the time-line got more and more corrupted and more and more bastardized to the point where a Fascist World Dictatorship really looked as if it could be a possibility!

Then there was the society called the breakaway society that was below ground, and which was actively receiving information and technology with each passing time loop, so that some of the whistle blowers who had been down there and seen the technology estimated that those underground were in fact 500 or 1000 years ahead of the rest of us. Why would they make that claim if these technologies had simply been "invented" in the short period we are now in? Think about it... they KNOW it could not have happened that fast! They should have said if they really believed that, that those humans underground are 30 or 40 or 50 years ahead of the rest of us, but instead they tell us those underground are 500 or 1000 years ahead which suggests that this is how much time, or how many loops it took for the technology they now had and were in fact using, to be invented, or to be developed.

It is my opinion that the reason for all these loops is that in each run up to 2012, the CABAL is failing to do what it wants to do, which is to totally enslave the world and get a one world government before 2012! It is my opinion that this is why they have HIJACKED TIME, and have gone to so much trouble to "CREATE" a designer timeline; a timeline which will give them the result they want before we hit the end of what they consider their opportune window.

The implications of this is that if you are alive and living right now, it is MOST LIKELY the case that the life you are living, and the experiences you are having in that life, have been altered from what YOU AS A SOUL INTENDED for yourself to have for this life.

Many of our lives may have so changed by what the CABAL has done, that in some cases, the life you planned or intended for yourself resembles NOTHING that it was originally supposed to be.

THIS IS THE BIG SECRET! THIS IS THE BIG LIE!

This is what the channelers of so much fame and accord, will NEVER touch upon, as it has become a TOP SECURITY ISSUE for the HIGHEST LEVELS and the highest councils in this galaxy and Universe!

Far from being a first contact scenario, which was the plan for (who knows how many) loops ago…, then to a limited help scenario, which was the adapted plan for less loops ago, then to a multifaceted bargain/negotiation with the CABAL itself, which probably started even less loops ago, to a full blown engagement with intervention and on-goings battles which is where we are today.

And those who are the so-called light workers who are trying to discern CURRENT information from the multifaceted and over-laying nature of multiple intersecting timelines is KIDDING themselves if they think they can correctly understand WHICH channeled information is for THIS TIME-LINE or a previous ONE!

Continuing on once again, it has been said that George Bush SR, once told a reporter that if the masses ever found out what had REALLY been done to them, that all of the elites would be chased down and hung from the nearest lamp pole.

THIS IS WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT!!!

Not a just a onetime, simple little world takeover bid, but something that has been ongoing over and over again, for a length of time only known to those CELESTIALS who are fighting them and the CABAL itself.

It is my opinion that this goes much deeper and farther that ANYTHING AS OF YET CONCEIVED by the common mind of humans who are not in the know. And, if one considers a completely bastardized timeline in which none of the life lessons you set up for yourself were able to manifest because the job you had set up for yourself a hundred loops ago, or the people you had set up to meet a hundred loops ago, were in fact canceled out in lieu of the new "inserted" events (events which affected us all) that a only handful of people were setting up in order to steer the timeline into an enslavement timeline. ONLY THEN do you have an idea of suffering and unparalleled agony these CABAL members are responsible for.

This is the depth of what BUSH was talking about when he made that comment, because only he knew how far down the rabbit hole really went! This is the depth of what he understood to be the crimes of the CABAL! Most of the truth seekers out there are just not thinking big enough here, you're not even in the same league as to what they (the CABAL) have done to EARTH and to mankind. Millions of very loving extra-terrestrial beings would NOT HAVE BEEN NECESSARY for the originally planned timeline if everything had gone according to plan as laid out.

Do you think the original planners and over-seers of our development and of our awakening on the EARTH were that short sighted and that stupid? To think that anything else has happened here is to say and believe that the ANGELS and enlightened beings are inept, stupid, had no foresight, and cannot fight their way out of a paper bag!!

This is NOT THE TRUTH. What is the truth is that they never envisioned a group of people so stubborn, so set upon Global enslavement that they (the CABAL) would send back in time information to themselves into the past, over and over again, trying to achieve a goal that was not working!

Now it becomes more understandable why our water has been chemically altered, our food genetically modified, and our air chem-trailed to death.

They (the CABAL) knew they had yet to attain their goal and sent back the unhappy data to the past where new and ever more diabolical measures were put into place which they hoped would remedy the situation.

LOOP AFTER LOOP most likely has come and gone, and each time a better and more well-choreographed version of their designer time-line has been played out. Every success has been extolled and copied and reproduced, and every failure noted, and then cast aside as something that did not work.

To counter act this, those who protected the EARTH were forced to intercede and intervene more and more and more.

We who are the innocents, and we who are in the middle, have taken about as much of this as we should take!

NONE of us at this time are living the lives we chose for ourselves regardless of what the channels say, because most likely those messages are being sent to previous loops and bleeding through to this one.

Not one of those who Channel from higher beings take this into account, and this is why many of these sources should NOT BE TRUSTED with complete and utter resignation!

Those sources to be trusted are those who are completely HONEST in what has actually transpired, NOT THOSE WHO STILL INSIST upon secrecy and worry about the damage that might be done if we found this stuff out. Those who are overly worried about the CABAL and their feelings and their lives at the expense of those they have manipulated, and those they have mind controlled are more interested in saving themselves from the EMBARRASSMENT that goes with admitting they were WRONG in their assessment of what the CABAL would do! (Even the higher-ups had no idea what the Dark on Earth was really capable of and got a real lesson.)

In summary, The MILITARY for its part, MUST COME CLEAN to the people and do it now so that we know what we are up against!

And if they need help, for GOD’s sake ask for it! There are millions of us who are here and willing to help!

[Jeffrey]

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[Bill Ryan]

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Hi ______ , Many thanks: very interesting, actually -- not crazy at all.

A couple of weeks ago, I posted this new thread on the Project Avalon Forum:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46887-From-Bill-Ryan-the-Ultimate-Hypothesis

Do read all of this opening post... but of direct relevance to the ideas that you forwarded, is this paragraph (#6).






6 ---
Henry Deacon [key Project Camelot insider witness] always stated that the secret space program should never be compromised, “because the future of the human race may depend on it”. Kerry and I vividly remember one conversation, in December 2008, in which Henry became really quite upset and insistent about this.

In separate conversations (over many, many hours in a number of meetings), he described and confirmed how there was a horrific tangle of inter-braided timelines, each time the efforts (by ETs, future humans and ourselves) compounding the problems and making matters more complicated.

He told us that none of these problems had yet been resolved. He said that these timeline problems also reached way back into human history and “involved our ancestors”.

He told me that there were FOUR main timelines that he was aware of (not just Dan Burisch’s two) — one of which was truly catastrophic and resulted in a version of Earth six thousand years into the future which was pretty much barren and devoid of life.

Henry had also confirmed that the Roswell visitors were time traveling future humans (see http://projectcamelot.org/big_picture.html). He was adamant about this, and stated that this came from briefings he had read and/or attended. The only difference between his account and Dan Burisch’s (Dan had said almost exactly the same thing) was that Dan said the Roswell visitors were from 24,000 years in the future, and Henry, while not being certain, had said that he had thought they were a little earlier.

Dan and Henry had never met or communicated, and when we first met Henry he had never heard of Dan at all. These corroborations were always extremely significant for Kerry and myself.



Henry, in his first conversation with us here -- http://projectcamelot.org/livermore_physicist.html -- specifically talked about time loops, and the many problems that had been created, and not yet solved, since the early 1940s. Here's the section of interest:






Henry: The problem is that all extremely high-energy events like this [referring to nuclear explosions] create rips in the fabric of spacetime. This was observed back in the early Hiroshima and Nagasaki events, and you can even see it in the old movies. Look for what looks like an expanding energy sphere, and I can send you a link to show you. The problem with creating rips in spacetime, whether they're big or little, is that things get in that you don’t want to be there.

Bill: Things get in?

Henry: Things get in. Things that we all know about that are discussed on the net a lot. Beings, and influences, and all kinds of weird stuff, and I can tell you they’ve created big problems.

Bill: What kind of problems?

Henry: [pause]

The problem of their presence and then what happens next. The other problem is that if you’re creating rips in spacetime you’re messing with time itself, whether you mean to or not. There have been attempts to fix that, and it all results in a complicated overlay of time loops. Some ETs are trying to help, and others, others are not. When predicting futures, we can only talk about probable and possible futures. This is all extremely complex and very highly classified. Basically, it’s just a huge mess. We've opened Pandora’s Box, starting with the Manhattan Project, and we haven't yet found a way to deal with the consequences.

Bill: The problem of multiple timelines sounds like the information reported by Dan Burisch... can you comment on that?

Henry: [shakes head] I don’t know about any of that.

Bill: OK. We’ll send you the links so that you can see the interviews. But what you’re saying also corroborates the information reported by "Mr X" on the Camelot website. Have you seen or read those interviews?

Henry: No, what does he say?

Bill: "Mr X" is an archivist who for a six-month period had the opportunity to work with classified documents, films, photos and artifacts back in the mid-80s when he was working on a special project with a defense contractor. He says that he read that the principal reason for the ETs' interest in us was because of nuclear testing and the general threat of nuclear weapons.

Henry: That sounds about right. Except only one or two ET groups are concerned about nuclear weapons, not all of them.

Bill: OK. What else can you tell us about the timeline problem?

Henry: Just that it’s unresolved. The risk is, you see, that each time we try to fix it, it adds to the problem. It just gets worse all the time.

Bill: Are the aliens – or some of the aliens – time travelers? Dan Burisch states this.

Henry: Yes.

Bill: Do you know about the Montauk Project?

Henry: That caused a huge problem, and generated a... created a 40-year loop.

I don’t know about Al Bielek. I believe some of his information is suspect. But something like that definitely did happen, the Philadelphia Experiment, too. John Neumann was very involved in all of that.

Bill: And Tesla, and Einstein?

Henry: Don’t know. But Neumann... [nods head]

Bill: Montauk was real?

Henry: Yes. That was a real mess. They created a time split we’re still unable to mend. Now, understand this also relates to Project Rainbow, the Stargates… they were also working on that there. But some of the Montauk reports on the net are unconvincing to me. I’ve seen some of the photos of the equipment they’re supposed to have used, and it’s junk, just a pile of junk.

Bill: I’ve always had a problem with the idea of time portals because I don’t see how or why they’d stay with the planet at a certain location as it moves through space. If a portal was created in spacetime, you’d expect it to be left behind somewhere very quickly as the earth rotates, and moves round in its orbit, and the solar system itself is orbiting the galaxy in a huge cycle. I mean, everything’s in motion, all the time, and this is well known. Can you explain this?

Henry: No, I can’t... but I know what you mean, and the portals do stay in specific locations, kind of anchored to this planet. That does happen that way. Why they don’t get left behind or just kind of float off somewhere, I have no idea. Maybe they’re gravitationally anchored in some way. Your guess is as good as mine.

One of the portals connects to Mars, and it’s a stable connection, no matter where Earth and Mars are in their orbits. We have a base there established in the early sixties. Actually, we have a number of bases.

Bill: So we’ve explored Mars already.

Henry: Sure, a long time ago. Have you seen Alternative Three?

Bill: Yes.

Henry: That had some truth to it. The Mars landing video was all a spoof, and other parts of it were as well, but there’s truth there.

[Jeffrey]

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[K626]

Consciousness and time are in some ways the same thing (time cannot exist without consciousness and without time consciouness becomes too concrete to decipher). Both are also very, very low levels of a kind of 'radiation' which leaves a signature (manifest active). When this signature is disturbed the 'future' become mis-aligned with regard to our intent and our projection of ourselves onto the future.

love

K

[Sebastion]

Bill:

Can you explain/have any ideas how that affects each of us? Are all of us trapped in this continuous time loop individually, doing the same things over and over again? What is your view?

[Jeffrey]

Andrew D. Basiago - Project Pegasus, Time Travel, Teleportation & The Chronovisor Device

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2009/09sep/RIR-090910.html

A lot of good, interrelated links on that page.

PS - This will be my last post for 3 weeks. I am leaving for Peru, internet access is going to be very limited. Peace y'all.

PPS - One more link on time travel and more corroborating material to sift through:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_ciencia_timetravel.htm

[Dennis Leahy]

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Here's a really fascinating post from the Nesara News blog.... it's all about time loops, and the author really might not be 100% wrong. It's copied verbatim and in full.

Following this, two posts below, I've copied my reply to the friend who sent me the link and asked me for my opinion. That may show why I found this interesting


...
Henry Deacon ... described and confirmed how there was a horrific tangle of inter-braided timelines, each time the efforts (by ETs, future humans and ourselves) compounding the problems and making matters more complicated.

He told us that none of these problems had yet been resolved. He said that these timeline problems also reached way back into human history and “involved our ancestors”.
...

Bill: OK. What else can you tell us about the timeline problem?

Henry: Just that it’s unresolved. The risk is, you see, that each time we try to fix it, it adds to the problem. It just gets worse all the time.

Bill: Are the aliens – or some of the aliens – time travelers? Dan Burisch states this.

Henry: Yes.

Bill: Do you know about the Montauk Project?

Henry: That caused a huge problem, and generated a... created a 40-year loop.

... something like that definitely did happen, the Philadelphia Experiment, too. ...
...

Bill: Montauk was real?

Henry: Yes. That was a real mess. They created a time split we’re still unable to mend. Now, understand this also relates to Project Rainbow, the Stargates… they were also working on that there. ...
...

So, (if true) Bill Murray's movie, "Groundhog Day", is closer to our present reality than any documentary. And, if true, it would make any 'practical' solution to take away even some of the Cabal's power with a plan like The Reset Button moot - as they would simply insert into the timeline whatever it would take to counter the people's strategy.

If true, it does seem to make resistance futile, doesn't it? (Not to say I won't die resisting, attempting to understand, pumping out love and compassion with the intuition it is our greatest force, .. and vowing to come back much better prepared for the fight next time.)

Dennis

[K626]

@Dennis

It was described to me as a bit like reading a book (the locus). People read a different speeds and for each person time seems to pass at a different speed (some will get to the end before others). The meaning of the book will also be slightly different for each person. Imagine that somewhere down the line the pages of the book are blank...The people who get there first will imagine the ongoing story...But yet the story will also be 'written' by those who get to that point later. Each rendition is a timeline. The book at some point for all becomes a product of our projection. This is what is UP FOR GRABS!


love

K

[K626]

On the 'other side' of every sun is a black hole.

love

K

[DeDukshyn]

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Here's a really fascinating post from the Nesara News blog.... it's all about time loops, and the author really might not be 100% wrong. It's copied verbatim and in full.

Following this, two posts below, I've copied my reply to the friend who sent me the link and asked me for my opinion. That may show why I found this interesting


...
Henry Deacon ... described and confirmed how there was a horrific tangle of inter-braided timelines, each time the efforts (by ETs, future humans and ourselves) compounding the problems and making matters more complicated.

He told us that none of these problems had yet been resolved. He said that these timeline problems also reached way back into human history and “involved our ancestors”.
...

Bill: OK. What else can you tell us about the timeline problem?

Henry: Just that it’s unresolved. The risk is, you see, that each time we try to fix it, it adds to the problem. It just gets worse all the time.

Bill: Are the aliens – or some of the aliens – time travelers? Dan Burisch states this.

Henry: Yes.

Bill: Do you know about the Montauk Project?

Henry: That caused a huge problem, and generated a... created a 40-year loop.

... something like that definitely did happen, the Philadelphia Experiment, too. ...
...

Bill: Montauk was real?

Henry: Yes. That was a real mess. They created a time split we’re still unable to mend. Now, understand this also relates to Project Rainbow, the Stargates… they were also working on that there. ...
...

So, (if true) Bill Murray's movie, "Groundhog Day", is closer to our present reality than any documentary. And, if true, it would make any 'practical' solution to take away even some of the Cabal's power with a plan like The Reset Button moot - as they would simply insert into the timeline whatever it would take to counter the people's strategy.

If true, it does seem to make resistance futile, doesn't it? (Not to say I won't die resisting, attempting to understand, pumping out love and compassion with the intuition it is our greatest force, .. and vowing to come back much better prepared for the fight next time.)

Dennis

Very interesting Dennis,

I was shown (well, brought there) "Hell" once in a very intense hallucinogenic experience, and I was shown a few aspects of "Hell" The first thing was loops of everything, experiences, run over and over again, individual thoughts, experience, whole scenes and events - everything, on both small and large scales. Things would change slightly between the loops but not very much - it was incredibly restrictive - no one was able to be properly expressive, but was "forced" to act out these loops over and over. But no one could quite see that it was happening, just the odd "deja vu" experience.

Hell was a "state", not a place at all. I'm not religious, but if one re-reads Jesus' words about hell and inserts a definition like this it makes way more sense.

The second aspect, after thinking about it, is related to the first one, but not on topic and not that important for this. I just wanted to point out an interesting synchronicity between what I was given as "hell" and what Dennis posted about time loops and entanglements.

In my 2 cents I am coming to believe this needs to be fixed from the top down with a different method - it can't be fixed from this physical realm alone.

[truthseekerdan]

Are all of us trapped in this continuous time loop individually, doing the same things over and over again? What is your view?

We definitely can be trapped in our own and collective 'mind consciousness' never realizing that 'time is actually an illusion', and that everything is happening at once in the Eternal Now -- at different vibrations...

"David Icke talking about how the Illuminati are trying to keep the Earths Consciousness or vibrational level as low as possible by keeping us in a vibrational prison thus limiting what we perceive as reality."

-5ASd2W-v9Y

[Carmody]

My take on the past few pages (as initial thoughts, via hypothetical extrapolation and personal experience):

My vague understanding of the potentials also includes the interviews with Dolores Cannon. Ie, that beings where and are injected into the system, to be 'in situ' is it where..and fix the rumbles and hiccups as they happen.

For...a single correction as envisioned and enacted via an illiterate group, who's thinking and actions caused the problem in the first place..those largish 'jumps' are too sharp. Too sharp a change causes reflection or a prismatic splitting.

Potentially, the only workable cure, would be to inject repair into the flow, to fix the ripples as they happen.

Within the context of the works of Micheal Newton, there resides beings with a descriptor for their activities, they being called 'timelords' - but in a less fantastical way than the word might initially feel to be. Beings who showed an aptitude for such things and grew into the job, just like a 'human' might decide to specialize in some branch of physics, medicine, or engineering.

Basically, comptrollers of time, regarding watching, recording... and also inserting beings into avatars in the proper place and time, regarding the earth as a training ground or school, in it's entirety.

I also suspect, at that juncture of thought, that timelords would be injected into the system, to help fix the ripples 'in situ', for external corrections, large corrections..would very likely fail. For... a big split or ripple, would have manifold interactions and trying to gather all the split threads back together would be well nigh impossible, as time goes by, in the given context. Each individual flaw needs to be locally corrected. Via this methodology the error's manifold ripples can be normalized, or smoothed out. Human intervention (occupied avatar), in it's ignorance, would possibly be considered as only making a bigger mess.

think about it. Humans living in ignorance.. at ANY level of ignorance of their actions..in a post split situation could never understand the depth of the created ripples and vortexes.

But an external cure injected into the system, via being outside of 3d time, as we know it...that could work, as the literal overview is possible. And it would be localized fixes, methinks.

It's 'Godel's incompleteness theorem (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_incompleteness_theorems)' as spoken of by Einstein:

"The significant problems we face can not be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them."

Which is sort of a psychology related way of saying that a problem cannot be solved within the confines of the space that created the problem. Thus, the limits of humanity are approached, nay, exceeded by the scope of the problem that was created..and outside intervention and view is likely the only way to enact a fix.

In that moment and space, unwanted aspects can rear their head, via 'unknowns' and their contact with 'duality humans'. Which is which? The human cannot clearly see it, is the conclusion.

[syrwong]

On Kelly's Blog, there is an ex-NSA who talked about the secret government moving enormous cargo into the DIA area, risking the operation being discovered, but "they are running out of time".

Why the sudden emergence of so many reports, apparently from independent sources? I am inclined not to think of them as a huge psy-ops to manipulate people (Only the alternative community in any case). This is likely to be real.

I can imagine some answers to some obvious questions, just for entertainment:

. Why are they running out of time?
Because the storm is coming within months. I don't know what, but Bill's warning of ultra -CME could just be one of a few natural calamities.

.Where are they running to?
3 alternatives. Stay on Earth underground, 2, go to the moon's bases, 3 Mars.

. Are they relinquishing the control of Earth humans?
Not likely. They must want to come back to repeat manipulating humans for a few more ages. Otherwise there is no need for that Anglo Saxon Mission. But they may not succeed.

[DeDukshyn]

... Potentially, the only workable cure, would be to inject repair into the flow, to fix the ripples as they happen ...

The "Transmutation of Error" - yes this must be fixed from a conscious level, because the heart of the problem is the extreme separation in human consciousness, and that is compounded with the ego influencing our individual consciousness causing irrational splits and contradictions. This is my 2 cents as I firmly believe that time is created by consciousness, thus problems in time need to be fixed via consciousness. I'm being really vague in my explanation though .. .sorry. I'm not finding the best words to describe, but my take is similar to Carmody's interpretation.

[Bill Ryan]

On Kelly's Blog, there is an ex-NSA who talked about the secret government moving enormous cargo into the DIA area, risking the operation being discovered, but "they are running out of time".

Can you kindly post a link to this?

*** To Vivek: have a great trip to Peru. If you find yourself in Ecuador, let us know! Many thanks for all your intelligent and valuable contributions.

[Beren]

"The significant problems we face can not be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them."

Which is sort of a psychology related way of saying that a problem cannot be solved within the confines of the space that created the problem. Thus, the limits of humanity are approached, nay, exceeded by the scope of the problem that was created..and outside intervention and view is likely the only way to enact a fix.

In that moment and space, unwanted aspects can rear their head, via 'unknowns' and their contact with 'duality humans'. Which is which? The human cannot clearly see it, is the conclusion.

Carmody,

by this analogy you reached the exact explanation from scientific point of view of what was said long time ago about second coming.
Now whether in flesh or in energy wave Christ will come.
Either way since he is on totally different wavelength than 3d humans we might percieve this event manifold.
Everyone according to their then current level of conscience.

Source sent us many messengers from the dawn of time and we should realize that we aren`t separated from high planes of existence.

Simply our 3d part here experiences 3d and our higher part up there experiences up there.
But since we`re one actually in ultimate reality , our higher self decides to aid our lover self and come to our aid.

You know kids were playing whole day in the mud and sand boxes, it`s evening and mom and dad want them out of mud and sand ,washed and ready for good night sleep , lots of love and great supper.

Every kid will welcome this bath and love their parents.
For the kid will know that it is loved and becoming a man or woman - a God in cosmic sense.

[grapevine]

On Kelly's Blog, there is an ex-NSA who talked about the secret government moving enormous cargo into the DIA area, risking the operation being discovered, but "they are running out of time".

Can you kindly post a link to this?

*** To Vivek: have a great trip to Peru. If you find yourself in Ecuador, let us know! Many thanks for all your intelligent and valuable contributions.http://projectcamelotportal.com/kerrys-blog/1187-ultra-classified-secret-gov-moving-very-large-equipment.html

[Chester]

-------

Here's a really fascinating post from the Nesara News blog.... it's all about time loops, and the author really might not be 100% wrong. It's copied verbatim and in full.

Following this, two posts below, I've copied my reply to the friend who sent me the link and asked me for my opinion. That may show why I found this interesting


...
Henry Deacon ... described and confirmed how there was a horrific tangle of inter-braided timelines, each time the efforts (by ETs, future humans and ourselves) compounding the problems and making matters more complicated.

He told us that none of these problems had yet been resolved. He said that these timeline problems also reached way back into human history and “involved our ancestors”.
...

Bill: OK. What else can you tell us about the timeline problem?

Henry: Just that it’s unresolved. The risk is, you see, that each time we try to fix it, it adds to the problem. It just gets worse all the time.

Bill: Are the aliens – or some of the aliens – time travelers? Dan Burisch states this.

Henry: Yes.

Bill: Do you know about the Montauk Project?

Henry: That caused a huge problem, and generated a... created a 40-year loop.

... something like that definitely did happen, the Philadelphia Experiment, too. ...
...

Bill: Montauk was real?

Henry: Yes. That was a real mess. They created a time split we’re still unable to mend. Now, understand this also relates to Project Rainbow, the Stargates… they were also working on that there. ...
...

So, (if true) Bill Murray's movie, "Groundhog Day", is closer to our present reality than any documentary. And, if true, it would make any 'practical' solution to take away even some of the Cabal's power with a plan like The Reset Button moot - as they would simply insert into the timeline whatever it would take to counter the people's strategy.

If true, it does seem to make resistance futile, doesn't it? (Not to say I won't die resisting, attempting to understand, pumping out love and compassion with the intuition it is our greatest force, .. and vowing to come back much better prepared for the fight next time.)

Dennis

I see it as anything but futile. If time and consciousness are interlinked, then we simply continue to maintain the growth of our consciousness which projects the best outcome for the most. More and more of us are on this trajectory and "we" can't be stopped.

Something tells me the more "they" pile on, our collective consciousness continues to counter and we have the advantage in this particular us/them dynamic as we are already home in a sense.

Our hearts and minds are already made up in that regard. They can't "do" anything to us anymore.

Each time "they" loop back, the game gets harder and harder for "them."

We have already left this game, see?

Just my dream version of "winning."

It lies in leaving the game...

[Lazlo]

Is the movie the message? In the new MIB movie, J jumps into a 40 year time loop to save the planet.

[ROMANWKT]

On Kelly's Blog, there is an ex-NSA who talked about the secret government moving enormous cargo into the DIA area, risking the operation being discovered, but "they are running out of time".

Can you kindly post a link to this?

*** To Vivek: have a great trip to Peru. If you find yourself in Ecuador, let us know! Many thanks for all your intelligent and valuable contributions.

Hi Bill

What syrwong is saying is that its in Kerry,s blog on Camelot which I have read, posted 2 days ago..

Regards to all

roman

[jp11]

http://projectcamelotportal.com/kerrys-blog/1187-ultra-classified-secret-gov-moving-very-large-equipment.html

Not sure if this is the way to do it. But I copied and pasted the page from ProCam with the actual article. It was posted: Saturday, 14 July 2012 13:34

[araucaria]

I have been on a different timeline from Avalon in recent weeks and have not been following this or other threads. However I was asked to listen to the OP audio, and the following was my private two cents worth back on June 30. I may need to go back to the bank for more :)


This guy seems bona fide, yes, but for me that is not an issue. Basically he’s saying that space travellers are decoys for the real bad guys, who are time travellers. The notion of time is very complex and problematic in ways that people who are comfortable with notions like “us in the future” just don’t get. Actually, if we really understand time as an illusion, it may in fact be a whole lot simpler. Let me give you an example.

The other day I was reading how some species of dinosaur was so big that it needed about ten tons of food per day, and that its mouth was simply not big enough to do the job. Now there are two ways to deal with this. Either you take the scientific approach and speculate that the world was not as it is now, or that they had some other food source, or whatever. Or you accept that everything is just an illusion, fancy artwork or stage scenery that on closer inspection just doesn’t add up. Like a monster gargoyle on a cathedral, it doesn’t have to mean anything, it is just there for decoration. If you are dealing in illusion, it is as easy to create a fossilized dinosaur directly as to create a live one and leave it to fossilize, and it doesn’t have to “work”. This is where we find all kinds of anomalies, and when applied to such things even good science is bad science because it takes the illusion at face value.

The idea is that the fossil is just an object in the present, with no past. This means that a million fossils that seemingly add up to an extinction event do no such thing – you just have a million fossils decorating a doomsday film set. So, dinosaurs that needed more food than they could possibly eat never existed, and neither did they ever die out.

You can do the same with the asteroid belt: it certainly looks like the remnants of an exploded planet, but maybe it is just an artist’s impression of one. In that case it would be just presentday space junk that has not been previously bombarding the earth in fictitious extinction level events. That is just the storyline we have built up to account for all this stuff that is just up there. Anything goes, we can imagine whatever we like, but that is all we are doing: jumping to conclusions, all the time.

There are no rules. Ufos appear to defy the laws of nature and of physics? They are typical anomalies telling us that such laws do not actually exist. When you astral travel, you pass through walls, go wherever you want; this is more of the same. All this paranormal stuff just happens to nudge us into realizing that what we call normal is nothing of the sort.

So maybe the Roswell crash is like a reversal of the fossilized dinosaur. It seems to have tentacles reaching out into the future, involving us as will be, and another, imminent extinction level event: this is the famous Big Picture one arrives at by showing discernment between info and disinfo. There is no big picture, that is another/the big lie – except that it is just an illusion, the very notion of the big lie is itself an illusion. This extinction is not going to happen either, it is just the continuation of our storyline, and us in the future is merely the us that continues in the illusion, i.e. us as part of the illusion.

The bottom line is that the 6.5 billion of us that need to be genocided are getting in the way of that illusion. There are only very few real sheep buying into it, the rest of us are getting on with our lives. How many people worldwide expect the world to become uninhabitable by next year? Hardly anyone. It ain’t gonna happen. That is why nearly everyone has to go, and not just the whistleblowers. And of course we will indeedd be going our separate ways. The disaster scenarios we are hearing are that situation as described from the opposite viewpoint, i.e. part of the illusion describing itself – before it fades back into non-existence.
I would just add that I see personal integrity and focus as a steadying mechanism when timelines go haywire. If timelines split every time an alternative occurs, such a lifestyle will reduce them to a minimum with fewer radically different choices. Good people then are probably not been made to lead unwanted lives but on the contrary are becoming more resolved at every turn. I can imagine this would not be to everyone’s liking.

[Fred Steeves]

So, (if true) Bill Murray's movie, "Groundhog Day", is closer to our present reality than any documentary. And, if true, it would make any 'practical' solution to take away even some of the Cabal's power with a plan like The Reset Button moot - as they would simply insert into the timeline whatever it would take to counter the people's strategy.

If true, it does seem to make resistance futile, doesn't it? (Not to say I won't die resisting, attempting to understand, pumping out love and compassion with the intuition it is our greatest force, .. and vowing to come back much better prepared for the fight next time.)

Dennis

Hiya Dennis, this is one of the reasons I maintain that planning, and fighting, takes us right back for another go on the old merry go round. I don't know about you man, but I've had it with this game. It's only been going on for billions, or trillions of years, and we haven't gained an inch of ground. To me that's a bulls**t game, why keep playing it? Talk about keeping on doing the same thing, and expecting different results...Isn't there a word for that?

What if this gameboard never changes, it's simply us who decides whether to move on, or keep playing? There's that free choice thing again. Your "Groundhog Day" analogy was spot on. Bill Murray couldn't escape the situation, he couldn't fight it, he couldn't change it, and he certainly never figured it out. When all else had failed, what did he do? He transcended it.

One more thing while I'm enjoying my rant for the day.(LOL) In transcending his situation, Bill Murray transformed himself. Were it not for his Goundhog Day situation in the first place, he likely would have remained a rather dorky, and self centered t.v. weatherman. So was his "nightmare" a bad thing? Or maybe a good thing? Hmmmm. That's where I see this Us vs. Them, Good vs. Evil way of looking at our own personal(and collective) Groundhog Day, a great big swing and a miss. What if rather than getting all lathered up about what "they" are up to, we instead turn the focus on ourselves, and attempt to understand what this is actually prompting us to do?

Cheers,
Fred

[greybeard]

What would happen if the bull decided not to rush at the red and just trot around the ring?
Would not the matador just look like an idiot in over tight trousers.
Game over
Force meets an opposing force with equal power.
Its called the biceps triceps phenomena in hypnotherapy--- the client cant move.
Like Fred said--- we have tried force to right wrongs since forever with little success.
Fight be-gets fight--- violence more of the same.
Gandhi achieved miracles through non violence but then he was mahatma ( an enlightened soul)

To my mind the only answer is a raising of collective consciousness which happens by each raising their own.
"Be the change you want to see."

Chris

[another bob]

What would happen if the bull decided not to rush at the red and just trot around the ring?
Would not the matador just look like an idiot in over tight trousers.
Game over



(Cross-posting from "Here & Now")


http://i48.tinypic.com/2vma6ug.jpg


This incredible photo marks the end of Matador Torero Alvaro Munera's career. He collapsed in remorse mid-fight when he realized he was having to prompt this otherwise gentle beast to fight. He went on to become an avid opponent of bullfights. Torrero Munera is quoted as saying of this moment: "And suddenly, I looked at the bull. He had this innocence that all animals have in their eyes, and he looked at me with this pleading. It was like a cry for justice, deep down inside of me. I describe it as being like a prayer - because if one confesses, it is hoped, that one is forgiven. I felt like the worst **** on earth."

[truthseekerdan]

hypothesis

1. A tentative explanation for an observation, phenomenon, or scientific problem that can be tested by further investigation.
2. Something taken to be true for the purpose of argument or investigation; an assumption.
3. The antecedent of a conditional statement.

Do we really need all the above to change OUR paradigm shift (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riQdyr1hkuI)? We all know in OUR hearts what is True -- if not I'll be glad to point that out to anyone.
Meanwhile I do agree with Chris' (greybeard) post above... "Be the change you wish to see in the world" -- and be ready to see it Happening Soon!

Much Love to All

:luv:

[K626]

What would happen if the bull decided not to rush at the red and just trot around the ring?
Would not the matador just look like an idiot in over tight trousers.
Game over
Force meets an opposing force with equal power.
Its called the biceps triceps phenomena in hypnotherapy--- the client cant move.
Like Fred said--- we have tried force to right wrongs since forever with little success.
Fight be-gets fight--- violence more of the same.
Gandhi achieved miracles through non violence but then he was mahatma ( an enlightened soul)

To my mind the only answer is a raising of collective consciousness which happens by each raising their own.
"Be the change you want to see."

Chris

It's no coincidence that we're on the brink of war with Syria and Iran and the money markets are in chaos. They are magnifying as much destructive energy on the temporal point as they know how. Change is coming. We are at the crossroads once more my friend.

love

K

[kevlar]

I just watched a film called " Hot Tub Time Machine" which was full of illuminati symbolism. My interest was tweaked when i heard mention of Tokyo and tsunami in the same sentence. The film is about time travel. Found this on godlikeproductions -

"They already deleted it from wikipedia, imagine that. it was not even posted for 20 minutes:

==Controversy==
Several times throughout the film reference is made to the Earthquake/Tsunami/Nuclear Fall Out disaster in Japan in March 2011. The movie was filmed and released prior to the March 11th, 2011 earthquake and the following tsunami and nuclear reactor meltdown. Is this just co-incidence or could the writers of the story have had insider knowledge or maybe even traveled to the future themselves?

During a crazy night of drinking in a hot tub, they spill a can of an illegal Russian [[energy drink]] called "Chernobly" on the hot tub's controls. The Chernobyl disaster was a nuclear accident that occurred on 26 April 1986 at the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant in the Ukrainian SSR (now Ukraine).
John Cusack as Adam Yates says: "I know exactly what he meant, he was talking about the Butterfly Effect." , "One little change has a ripple effect and it affects everything else, it's like a butterfly floats its wings, and Tokyo explodes, or there is a tsunami in like somewhere."
Sebastian Stan as Blaine says: "This is an Acorn 5 situation." The Acorn® 5 is an Ion Meter from Oakton Instruments, used to detect, measure and monitor radiation.
Also on Blaine's apartment bathroom door in the movie, there is sign reading: "CAUTION Biohazard Area"
This is scene is followed by Sebastian Stan as Blaine saying: " Goddammit, I am gonna go nuclear on these guys.""
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1417828/reply23556970

love kevlar

[Lazlo]

Jesse Ventura talks to researcher Larry Joseph he says basically everything said so far and
says there is a solution to minimise the effects its to install ground resistors!!

Just place those resistors between the ground and the transformers and it will keep us
from shorting out the nation. Jesse asks if it is that easy why are they not doing it ?
Joseph says we have one problem its not money its not technology its politics !!!

From post 398.........Does anyone know if what Larry Joseph said above about
resitors is feasible or not ? Just wondering!

My understanding is that the bleed off scenario is 100% a functional solution.

the question... is the will to use it and get it done. like free energy or over unity, it requires 'admittance of the issue's existence' as a first step and that is part of the problem in all suppression within the self.

The initial opening of the door is a big as the problem or issue itself, and therefore, strongly tends to remain fully shut, as doors go.

IPP's (Independant Power Producers) and Grid Operators won't install ground resistors until it is mandated as there is no financial benefit in the retrofit. Currently the industry is struggling with other issues such as NERC compliance. The resistors aren't even required on new installations. The argument is why spend all of the effort when not everyone is doing it. If the grid goes down in a major way, it doesn't help to have an intact point of common coupling if there is nowhere to send the energy to.

Cyberterrorism (think Stuxnet, SCADA, relays, and PLC's) and plain old maintenance backlogs are much more immediate concerns, at least from the industry perspective.

[araucaria]

What would happen if the bull decided not to rush at the red and just trot around the ring?
Would not the matador just look like an idiot in over tight trousers.
Game over



This incredible photo marks the end of Matador Torero Alvaro Munera's career. He collapsed in remorse mid-fight when he realized he was having to prompt this otherwise gentle beast to fight. He went on to become an avid opponent of bullfights. Torrero Munera is quoted as saying of this moment: "And suddenly, I looked at the bull. He had this innocence that all animals have in their eyes, and he looked at me with this pleading. It was like a cry for justice, deep down inside of me. I describe it as being like a prayer - because if one confesses, it is hoped, that one is forgiven. I felt like the worst **** on earth."

In the same vein (sorry for the thumbnails of these large paintings), here is Manet's (portrait of the artist as a) Dead Torero/Dead man. If you look at it sideways on, you will see that he is actually very much alive, performing what is known in French as a "naturelle", taking the bull on his left side. Viewed this way, it looks more like he is having an NDE.

17391

And here is is a testoterone-free portrait of the artist as a female bullfighter, painting not fighting:

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[Rocky_Shorz]

synchronisity of 33

with all this talk about the elites, banking problems, climate crisis...

it doesn't surprise me I'm seeing 33 everywhere right now...

Solar storm redlining for 33+3 hours
oil is down 33 cents
change on 3 purchases today was 33 cents...

maybe it is just me, but these are usually hints of something we are missing...

Dow closed at 12,777

[CD7]

synchronisity of 33

with all this talk about the elites, banking problems, climate crisis...

it doesn't surprise me I'm seeing 33 everywhere right now...

Solar storm redlining for 33+3 hours
oil is down 33 cents
change on 3 purchases today was 33 cents...

maybe it is just me, but these are usually hints of something we are missing...

Dow closed at 12,777


Yes i too notice these types of synchronicity, at times (there's a pattern seems to be going on in cycles)...i have been seeing 33 and 777 lately.

Something we are missing..yes! The defined details to what it relates to are hazey. I have heard a plethora of explanations over time to what number sequences translate to.

To me it seems tht "it" is connected to the Processes around and within us--- web/matrix, and when this system fluctuates/shifts...
WE (whoever notices) see the synchronistic patterns about which relates to many things going on underneath the surface....lol thts my feeling about the number patterns in our face.

[galilava]

I just have one question:
Bill, WHY did you post this?

[AnthonyBacala]

Great website to look into http://www.empcommission.org/

The EMP Commission was established pursuant to title XIV of the Floyd D. Spence National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2001 (as enacted into law by Public Law 106-398; 114 Stat. 1654A-345). Duties of the EMP Commission include assessing:

1. The nature and magnitude of potential high-altitude EMP threats to the United States from all potentially hostile states or non-state actors that have or could acquire nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles enabling them to perform a high-altitude EMP attack against the United States within the next 15 years;
2. The vulnerability of United States military and especially civilian systems to an EMP attack, giving special attention to vulnerability of the civilian infrastructure as a matter of emergency preparedness;
3. The capability of the United States to repair and recover from damage inflicted on United States military and civilian systems by an EMP attack; and
4. The feasibility and cost of hardening select military and civilian systems against EMP attack.

The Commission is charged with identifying any steps it believes should be taken by the United States to better protect its military and civilian systems from EMP attack.

Multiple reports and briefings associated with this effort have been produced by the EMP Commission including an Executive Report and a Critical National Infrastructures Report describing findings and recommendations.

The EMP Commission was reestablished via the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2006 to continue its efforts to monitor, investigate, make recommendations, and report to Congress on the evolving threat to the United States from electromagnetic pulse attack resulting from the detonation of a nuclear weapon or weapons at high altitude.

[bluestflame]

what if they have used the moon to shelter before ?

[magicmanx]

I just have one question:
Bill, WHY did you post this?

Why now?............ have you brought all of this to our attention?.................
No offence meant..xxx

[Operator]

Hi Bill,

I was wondering what your take is on princess Kaoru Nakamaru in general and her statement about elite trying to escape this planet in particular.

Here's the video again where she makes the statement (minute 1:30 - 2:30 is the relevant part).

PAiv1L1J1H4

Is she just repeating mis/dis-information ?

[meat suit]

The other day I was reading how some species of dinosaur was so big that it needed about ten tons of food per day, and that its mouth was simply not big enough to do the job. Now there are two ways to deal with this. Either you take the scientific approach and speculate that the world was not as it is now, or that they had some other food source, or whatever. Or you accept that everything is just an illusion, fancy artwork or stage scenery that on closer inspection just doesn’t add up. Like a monster gargoyle on a cathedral, it doesn’t have to mean anything, it is just there for decoration. If you are dealing in illusion, it is as easy to create a fossilized dinosaur directly as to create a live one and leave it to fossilize, and it doesn’t have to “work”. This is where we find all kinds of anomalies, and when applied to such things even good science is bad science because it takes the illusion at face value.

The idea is that the fossil is just an object in the present, with no past. This means that a million fossils that seemingly add up to an extinction event do no such thing – you just have a million fossils decorating a doomsday film set. So, dinosaurs that needed more food than they could possibly eat never existed, and neither did they ever die out..

interesting perspective, araucaria,
there is however the 'expanding earth ' theory , that caters for these anomalities with the idea that gravity would have been much lower when earth was much smaller at the time of the dinosours. therefore the creatures could support large bodies with little effort.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJfBSc6e7QQ&feature=plcp

[K626]

Jesse Ventura talks to researcher Larry Joseph he says basically everything said so far and
says there is a solution to minimise the effects its to install ground resistors!!

Just place those resistors between the ground and the transformers and it will keep us
from shorting out the nation. Jesse asks if it is that easy why are they not doing it ?
Joseph says we have one problem its not money its not technology its politics !!!

From post 398.........Does anyone know if what Larry Joseph said above about
resitors is feasible or not ? Just wondering!

My understanding is that the bleed off scenario is 100% a functional solution.

the question... is the will to use it and get it done. like free energy or over unity, it requires 'admittance of the issue's existence' as a first step and that is part of the problem in all suppression within the self.

The initial opening of the door is a big as the problem or issue itself, and therefore, strongly tends to remain fully shut, as doors go.

IPP's (Independant Power Producers) and Grid Operators won't install ground resistors until it is mandated as there is no financial benefit in the retrofit. Currently the industry is struggling with other issues such as NERC compliance. The resistors aren't even required on new installations. The argument is why spend all of the effort when not everyone is doing it. If the grid goes down in a major way, it doesn't help to have an intact point of common coupling if there is nowhere to send the energy to.

Cyberterrorism (think Stuxnet, SCADA, relays, and PLC's) and plain old maintenance backlogs are much more immediate concerns, at least from the industry perspective.

America has about 200yrs worth of untapped natural gas.

love

K

[araucaria]

The other day I was reading how some species of dinosaur was so big that it needed about ten tons of food per day, and that its mouth was simply not big enough to do the job. Now there are two ways to deal with this. Either you take the scientific approach and speculate that the world was not as it is now, or that they had some other food source, or whatever. Or you accept that everything is just an illusion, fancy artwork or stage scenery that on closer inspection just doesn’t add up. Like a monster gargoyle on a cathedral, it doesn’t have to mean anything, it is just there for decoration. If you are dealing in illusion, it is as easy to create a fossilized dinosaur directly as to create a live one and leave it to fossilize, and it doesn’t have to “work”. This is where we find all kinds of anomalies, and when applied to such things even good science is bad science because it takes the illusion at face value.

The idea is that the fossil is just an object in the present, with no past. This means that a million fossils that seemingly add up to an extinction event do no such thing – you just have a million fossils decorating a doomsday film set. So, dinosaurs that needed more food than they could possibly eat never existed, and neither did they ever die out..

interesting perspective, araucaria,
there is however the 'expanding earth ' theory , that caters for these anomalities with the idea that gravity would have been much lower when earth was much smaller at the time of the dinosours. therefore the creatures could support large bodies with little effort.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJfBSc6e7QQ&feature=plcp

Yes meat suit, the expanding earth theory is an attractive example of what I call bad good science, conflicting with other bad good science. The fact remains that if the ratio of body size to mouth size is unworkable, short of popping pills, you can build any theory you like to explain the unexplainable. It may account for all the observed ‘facts’, except the fakery.

Take the pyramids: who built them, when, how and what for? People devise multimillennial storylines to account for something that just exists for scientists to explore in the here and now with their tape measures. Maybe they are just some giant brainteaser; if you find a solution, so what? There may be others. And if you don’t, maybe there are too many bits missing, and again, so what? We don’t need Annunaki using them eons ago as landing beacons. Common sense says just ignore them. Not everything has to be counterintuitive.

It’s like the ‘eggs on concrete floors breaking’ joke that resurfaced today. The egg (theory) is fragile, while the concrete floor (eg pyramid) is perfectly safe. If you want it any other way, you need to hardboil the egg and peel it, and you can eat it with a pinch of salt, with or without a concrete floor :)

[noxon medem]

what if they have used the moon to shelter before ?

Please excuse another assosiation :

This text of a country-pop some and a tune
seems to be stuck on my mind for many years :


I have been swimming in the sea of tranquility
And found a place of infinite possibility
There is no end to what we can do
Here from our sofa, with a seaside view

Sing along , if you feel like it ...

:- )

nm

[K626]

If the moon was artificial (I personally think it is), the base would be inside non?

love

K

[noxon medem]

..
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If the moon was artificial (I personally think it is), the base would be inside non?

love

K

Of the moon pictures presented:
Have a look around the edge
between light and dark side of ..

The randzone is also very interesting.
- Allways .....

And in some images ( count in distortion )
the moon looks more like a discos than a globe ...

17396

Be Well ,

..
-

PS.
- have you noticed patterns like citys on the surface !?!

:)

[noxon medem]

What would happen if the bull decided not to rush at the red and just trot around the ring?
Would not the matador just look like an idiot in over tight trousers.
Game over

(Cross-posting from "Here & Now")


http://i48.tinypic.com/2vma6ug.jpg


This incredible photo marks the end of Matador Torero Alvaro Munera's career. He collapsed in remorse mid-fight when he realized he was having to prompt this otherwise gentle beast to fight. He went on to become an avid opponent of bullfights. Torrero Munera is quoted as saying of this moment: "And suddenly, I looked at the bull. He had this innocence that all animals have in their eyes, and he looked at me with this pleading. It was like a cry for justice, deep down inside of me. I describe it as being like a prayer - because if one confesses, it is hoped, that one is forgiven. I felt like the worst **** on earth."

That is absolutely wonderful .

Thank you for sharing , again ...

What a personal moment of .....
( guess you know what ..).

..
-

The talk of a crucial point in our heliosphere journey seem feeble.
Why should one second be so much more spescial than the next,
- or was it the last ..

[Rocky_Shorz]

synchronisity of 33

with all this talk about the elites, banking problems, climate crisis...

it doesn't surprise me I'm seeing 33 everywhere right now...

Solar storm redlining for 33+3 hours
oil is down 33 cents
change on 3 purchases today was 33 cents...

maybe it is just me, but these are usually hints of something we are missing...

Dow closed at 12,777


Yes i too notice these types of synchronicity, at times (there's a pattern seems to be going on in cycles)...i have been seeing 33 and 777 lately.

Something we are missing..yes! The defined details to what it relates to are hazey. I have heard a plethora of explanations over time to what number sequences translate to.

To me it seems tht "it" is connected to the Processes around and within us--- web/matrix, and when this system fluctuates/shifts...
WE (whoever notices) see the synchronistic patterns about which relates to many things going on underneath the surface....lol thts my feeling about the number patterns in our face.

well I know it is a dirty word around here, but Charles talked about the 33 controllers planning on leaving in a triangular craft, now mentioned in this thread was a nuclear powered UFO...

so are the controllers packing up and pulling out...

what did they really do? what did they control we need to keep covered when they leave...

something we are missing is right under our noses, but what is it...

[Carmody]

I hate to disappoint, but apparently the bull and matador photo and story is a concoction and has no resemblance to anything but the faked story itself.

[Lazlo]

Disappointing, but hardly surprising.


I hate to disappoint, but apparently the bull and matador photo and story is a concoction and has no resemblance to anything but the faked story itself.

[NancyV]

(Cross-posting from "Here & Now")


http://i48.tinypic.com/2vma6ug.jpg


This incredible photo marks the end of Matador Torero Alvaro Munera's career. He collapsed in remorse mid-fight when he realized he was having to prompt this otherwise gentle beast to fight. He went on to become an avid opponent of bullfights. Torrero Munera is quoted as saying of this moment: "And suddenly, I looked at the bull. He had this innocence that all animals have in their eyes, and he looked at me with this pleading. It was like a cry for justice, deep down inside of me. I describe it as being like a prayer - because if one confesses, it is hoped, that one is forgiven. I felt like the worst **** on earth."
Oh great, thanks a lot, Bob. Now I feel guilty as hell because I had a boyfriend who was a bullfighter in Mexico City in the 70's and he once "honored" me by giving me the bulls ears right after he finished a bullfight! On top of that, I'm a Taurus. I hope I can overcome the shame of it all before I die.
:bs:

[NancyV]

I hate to disappoint, but apparently the bull and matador photo and story is a concoction and has no resemblance to anything but the faked story itself.
That makes sense, having known a few bullfighters. From what I observed, those who aspire to be bullfighters are supremely infatuated with themselves in a prima donna-esque sort of a way. Having compassion for the feelings of a bull would be way down on the list of things to be conscious about.

[another bob]

I hate to disappoint, but apparently the bull and matador photo and story is a concoction and has no resemblance to anything but the faked story itself.
That makes sense, having known a few bullfighters. From what I observed, those who aspire to be bullfighters are supremely infatuated with themselves in a prima donna-esque sort of a way. Having compassion for the feelings of a bull would be way down on the list of things to be conscious about.

Hiya Sister, and Fellow Avalonians!

The story I posted was passed on to me from a friend in Spain via email. I was surprised to see the same story all over google when I did a search, based on Astrid's note that there was something fishy about the whole deal. Apparently, from what I have been able to sort out so far, the fellow was indeed a rising star in that game, but suffered a goring which ended his career, and he has since become an associate of PETA, speaking out against animal cruelty and the bullfighting scene in particular.

On another level, it's interesting how urban myths get started, and then gain a kind of reality based on consensus investment. The Jesus myth is a good example. From I've been able to determine so far, his story was a composite of several folks' stories, then massaged by Constantine and his crew, but there was never an actual Jesus. Nevertheless, people have invested so much reality in the character that they even meet him in mystical raptures and nde's. Imagination is funny, eh . . .

[Carmody]

I hate to disappoint, but apparently the bull and matador photo and story is a concoction and has no resemblance to anything but the faked story itself.
That makes sense, having known a few bullfighters. From what I observed, those who aspire to be bullfighters are supremely infatuated with themselves in a prima donna-esque sort of a way. Having compassion for the feelings of a bull would be way down on the list of things to be conscious about.

Hiya Sister, and Fellow Avalonians!

The story I posted was passed on to me from a friend in Spain via email. I was surprised to see the same story all over google when I did a search, based on Astrid's note that there was something fishy about the whole deal. Apparently, from what I have been able to sort out so far, the fellow was indeed a rising star in that game, but suffered a goring which ended his career, and he has since become an associate of PETA, speaking out against animal cruelty and the bullfighting scene in particular.

On another level, it's interesting how urban myths get started, and then gain a kind of reality based on consensus investment. The Jesus myth is a good example. From I've been able to determine so far, his story was a composite of several folks' stories, then massaged by Constantine and his crew, but there was never an actual Jesus. Nevertheless, people have invested so much reality in the character that they even meet him in mystical raptures and nde's. Imagination is funny, eh . . .

Yes, which leads to the discussion of the creation of reality by mass consciousness. That 'Lucifer' AND 'God' both stated that they each needed the belief of the people in order to exist/connect. Which leads to the whole 'you are god' bit by the Buddhists, and the component of their training which has them creating a tulpa ...and then dissolving it.

The tulpa, a manifestation of the reflection of energies by the body's lower layers (duality being) does not want to die. it is invested with cunning of intelligence and a serious will to live, like the body--it's point of origin, but has no moral and ethic sense beyond the immediate in time and self. which exactly fits the Luciferian story.

[Daughter of Time]

I get visitations from Yeshua. Some of his messages are incredibly prophetic. One, in particular, occurred on Christmas Eve 2010 while in bed, trying to go to sleep. He appeared very concerned. He warned me that something very unpleasant and worrysome was about to occur but that it would bring no lasting damages so I should not be afraid for in the end everything would turn out well.

And indeed, on January 5 something completely unexpected, shocking and highly disruptive occured. Initially, this incident caused me great trepidation, and although I found myself in a highly surreal state since I couldn't believe what had befallen me, in the end, it turned out to have no lasting damages and once I recovered, I realized that it was a blessing in disguise.

For those of you who believe that Jesus never existed and that it's all a concoction or a myth, then how would you explain his prophecy to me?

I'd appreciate your replies.

[Chester]

I hate to disappoint, but apparently the bull and matador photo and story is a concoction and has no resemblance to anything but the faked story itself.
That makes sense, having known a few bullfighters. From what I observed, those who aspire to be bullfighters are supremely infatuated with themselves in a prima donna-esque sort of a way. Having compassion for the feelings of a bull would be way down on the list of things to be conscious about.

Hiya Sister, and Fellow Avalonians!

The story I posted was passed on to me from a friend in Spain via email. I was surprised to see the same story all over google when I did a search, based on Astrid's note that there was something fishy about the whole deal. Apparently, from what I have been able to sort out so far, the fellow was indeed a rising star in that game, but suffered a goring which ended his career, and he has since become an associate of PETA, speaking out against animal cruelty and the bullfighting scene in particular.

On another level, it's interesting how urban myths get started, and then gain a kind of reality based on consensus investment. The Jesus myth is a good example. From I've been able to determine so far, his story was a composite of several folks' stories, then massaged by Constantine and his crew, but there was never an actual Jesus. Nevertheless, people have invested so much reality in the character that they even meet him in mystical raptures and nde's. Imagination is funny, eh . . .

Yes, which leads to the discussion of the creation of reality by mass consciousness. That 'Lucifer' AND 'God' both stated that they each needed the belief of the people in order to exist/connect. Which leads to the whole 'you are god' bit by the Buddhists, and the component of their training which has them creating a tulpa ...and then dissolving it.

The tulpa, a manifestation of the reflection of energies by the body's lower layers (duality being) does not want to die. it is invested with cunning of intelligence and a serious will to live, like the body--it's point of origin, but has no moral and ethic sense beyond the immediate in time and self. which exactly fits the Luciferian story.

Hi Carmody - I wish you would expand more on this. Thanks justoneman

[another bob]

For those of you who believe that Jesus never existed and that it's all a concoction or a myth, then how would you explain his prophecy to me?

I'd appreciate your replies.

Your Higher Self will appear in whatever form to which you are most conditioned to respond.


So as I was moving toward the light I said, "Please wait a minute, just hold on a second here. I want to think about this; I would like to talk to you before I go."

To my surprise, the entire experience halted at that point. You are indeed in control of your near-death experience. You are not on a roller coaster ride. So my request was honored and I had some conversations with the light. The light kept changing into different figures, like Jesus, Buddha, Krishna, mandalas, archetypal images and signs.

I asked the light, "What is going on here? Please, light, clarify yourself for me. I really want to know the reality of the situation."

I cannot really say the exact words, because it was sort of telepathy. The light responded. The information transferred to me was that your beliefs shape the kind of feedback you are getting before the light. If you were a Buddhist or Catholic or Fundamentalist, you get a feedback loop of your own stuff. You have a chance to look at it and examine it, but most people do not.

As the light revealed itself to me, I became aware that what I was really seeing was our Higher Self matrix. The only thing I can tell you is that it turned into a matrix, a mandala of human souls, and what I saw was that what we call our Higher Self in each of us is a matrix. It's also a conduit to the Source; each one of us comes directly, as a direct experience from the Source. We all have a Higher Self, or an oversoul part of our being. It revealed itself to me in its truest energy form. The only way I can really describe it is that the being of the Higher Self is more like a conduit. It did not look like that, but it is a direct connection to the Source that each and every one of us has. We are directly connected to the Source.

~ Mellen-Thomas Benedict

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/reincarnation04.html

[Bill Ryan]

I get visitations from Yeshua. Some of his messages are incredibly prophetic. One, in particular, occurred on Christmas Eve 2010 while in bed, trying to go to sleep. He appeared very concerned. He warned me that something very unpleasant and worrysome was about to occur but that it would bring no lasting damages so I should not be afraid for in the end everything would turn out well.

And indeed, on January 5 something completely unexpected, shocking and highly disruptive occured. Initially, this incident caused me great trepidation, and although I found myself in a highly surreal state since I couldn't believe what had befallen me, in the end, it turned out to have no lasting damages and once I recovered, I realized that it was a blessing in disguise.

For those of you who believe that Jesus never existed and that it's all a concoction or a myth, then how would you explain his prophecy to me?

I'd appreciate your replies.

Here's one plausible answer to that excellent question. (Btw, fascinating topic -- maybe deserving another thread of its own!)

Clearly, you were assisted. But by whom? As in the climax of the wonderful movie Contact, with Jodie Foster, a higher, benevolent intelligence might quite possibly present itself in whatever form might be most readily acceptable to the person being helped. (In the movie, Ellie (Foster) was met by an advanced alien intelligence who appeared to her in the form of her dead father -- and realized immediately that this was just a comforting factor in what otherwise might have been a bewildering and frightening experience.)

So -- a Christian might be visited by Jesus; a Muslim, by Muhammad; a Pagan, by a nature spirit; a research scientist, by the spirit of Tesla. :)

None of the above is about whether Jesus/Yeshua existed in person two thousand years ago. (I'm sure he did, btw.) It's a response to the conundrum of these kinds of benevolent visitations -- which, if one collects all the reports, are not as uncommon as one might think.

[NancyV]

I get visitations from Yeshua. Some of his messages are incredibly prophetic. One, in particular, occurred on Christmas Eve 2010 while in bed, trying to go to sleep. He appeared very concerned. He warned me that something very unpleasant and worrysome was about to occur but that it would bring no lasting damages so I should not be afraid for in the end everything would turn out well.

And indeed, on January 5 something completely unexpected, shocking and highly disruptive occured. Initially, this incident caused me great trepidation, and although I found myself in a highly surreal state since I couldn't believe what had befallen me, in the end, it turned out to have no lasting damages and once I recovered, I realized that it was a blessing in disguise.

For those of you who believe that Jesus never existed and that it's all a concoction or a myth, then how would you explain his prophecy to me?

I'd appreciate your replies.
In my experience Jesus both does not and never did exist AND also did exist and still exists. I have also seen Jesus but as soon as I looked past the awesome light and love I saw that it was just me in another form, so we both laughed and I went on my way.

Receiving messages as you do from Yeshua is also your Yeshua-self telling your DOT-self something that you may not hear in your present form unless your other self, Yeshua, told you. Why it's happening at all or in this way can probably never be answered. I've never found an actual reason for all these games in the Creation. It all just IS.

[Belle]

I tend to be an almost daily reader of http://urbansurvival.com/week.htm, George Ure's site.

Interesting info today, beginning with trends in earthquakes....you'll have to go to his site for the charts which for some reason I couldn't cut and paste...


The Biggest Problem In the World

May not be financial... I don't claim to be a geologist but there is something going on which is just below the public perception level and it has to do with global cataclysm which may be coming to our earthly future. Not that you'll see this on the news tonight - in fact your grandchildren's grandchildren might not live long enough to see it, but this is THE event which could account for all the "global coastal" language and may be what drives from the on ongoing Niburu speculation. I'll leave that for you to discern...I'll just give you the data to ponder.

The background: Just about every month I get an email from a reader who is kind enough to hook into the USGS earthquake data online, hit the magic macros he's developed, and give us some clear insight as to trends in earthquakes over time.

The most "grabby" number is the Magnitude 7.0 (+) chart because people relate to big, scary stuff. Going back to 1973, then, here's what this chart currently looks like:



Each of those lines vertically is a one year period and you can see, with a simple 5th order polynomial that the data is trending upward in a serious way.

Now, that's bad, but averaging two big quakes a month is not a life-stopper, unless, of course, you happen to be in a poorly engineered building or something like that. But since we have a longage of humans (the opposite of a shortage, right?) there's a boo-hoo factor, but no one in the MSM gets all worked up about it until a "breaking news" event like the Chilean, Japanese, Banda Aceh, or Haiti quakes, come along.

Then it's a genuine Big Deal, except that global building standards for quake resistance are still pretty lame and people have short memories. In Chile, for example, a 9,5 earthquake resulted in a heaping side order of dead people, but until the recent Chilean quakes, "free enterprise" has managed to slowly erode the country's stringent quake standards.

No news there - that's just how things work over time.

Now the part that should scare the living crap out of people: Look at the data for Magnitude 3.0 quakes:


You do see what's happening, right? the total number of quakes has been collapsing. Which makes the "Big Worry" what?

Tectonic plate lockup.

Now let me drop the second scary view on you. I went back through the major quakes in history since 1900 in the USGS worldwide list and decided to toss them into a 20-year histogram. Bar chart...useful for seeing trends in statistics and quite revealing - the minimum size on these is 8.5:


Now, if you look at the right hand 20-year bit bucket which is showing 6 - the highest every recorded realize this: We still have 8-years to go in this one.

So is the CPI important? Oh sure...so is diddling around in markets and all, but what's really scary is this big Terra/Ma Nature stuff that goes on in background and against this perspective all the paper in the world doesn't change even one iota the idea that plate tectonics are looking kind of dicey. Helps put other stuff in perspective, doesn't it?

If you want to worry about Niburu/Planet X, or whatever, have fun. But the data here could be construed as somewhat worrisome and a fine reason to keep right on "prepping."


Just some thoughts on time loops....

He also provides space on his site called the Wujo...the place where stores of odd occurrences are told. Several of the stories, like the one today, bring to mind the idea of time loops....some item here one minute, gone the next and nowhere to be found, and sometime later found in its original place.

Time loops also bring to mind things like celebrity deaths (ie Ernest Borgnine who recently died...I swear I remember his death occurring over ten years ago) or are they alive? At one time there were a lot of websites and blogs covering this phenomenon.

[Daughter of Time]

For those of you who believe that Jesus never existed and that it's all a concoction or a myth, then how would you explain his prophecy to me?

I'd appreciate your replies.

Your Higher Self will appear in whatever form to which you are most conditioned to respond.


So as I was moving toward the light I said, "Please wait a minute, just hold on a second here. I want to think about this; I would like to talk to you before I go."

To my surprise, the entire experience halted at that point. You are indeed in control of your near-death experience. You are not on a roller coaster ride. So my request was honored and I had some conversations with the light. The light kept changing into different figures, like Jesus, Buddha, Krishna, mandalas, archetypal images and signs.

I asked the light, "What is going on here? Please, light, clarify yourself for me. I really want to know the reality of the situation."

I cannot really say the exact words, because it was sort of telepathy. The light responded. The information transferred to me was that your beliefs shape the kind of feedback you are getting before the light. If you were a Buddhist or Catholic or Fundamentalist, you get a feedback loop of your own stuff. You have a chance to look at it and examine it, but most people do not.

As the light revealed itself to me, I became aware that what I was really seeing was our Higher Self matrix. The only thing I can tell you is that it turned into a matrix, a mandala of human souls, and what I saw was that what we call our Higher Self in each of us is a matrix. It's also a conduit to the Source; each one of us comes directly, as a direct experience from the Source. We all have a Higher Self, or an oversoul part of our being. It revealed itself to me in its truest energy form. The only way I can really describe it is that the being of the Higher Self is more like a conduit. It did not look like that, but it is a direct connection to the Source that each and every one of us has. We are directly connected to the Source.

~ Mellen-Thomas Benedict

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/reincarnation04.html

Everything you say makes perfect sense. I have often read that upon dying whatever you believe in will manifest. But although I was raised Catholic, I turned against the religion when i was a teen ager. There was so much chaos in my life that I became an athiest since I no longer belived in benevolent forces. In my early 20's, after suffering too many traumas, i started to walk a very destructive path. I did so many drugs to escape reality and started mingling with a group that believed in the worship of dark forces. I never became involved in the worship of dark forces but I came very close. But before I sank to the bottom, Yeshua presented himself, quite miffed, and told me to stop immediately because I had much work to do and this was not the path for me. I immediately stopped and cleaned up my act. I know you will say that this was my higher self saving me from destruction. Still... I trust Yeshua and always will.

[Daughter of Time]

I get visitations from Yeshua. Some of his messages are incredibly prophetic. One, in particular, occurred on Christmas Eve 2010 while in bed, trying to go to sleep. He appeared very concerned. He warned me that something very unpleasant and worrysome was about to occur but that it would bring no lasting damages so I should not be afraid for in the end everything would turn out well.

And indeed, on January 5 something completely unexpected, shocking and highly disruptive occured. Initially, this incident caused me great trepidation, and although I found myself in a highly surreal state since I couldn't believe what had befallen me, in the end, it turned out to have no lasting damages and once I recovered, I realized that it was a blessing in disguise.

For those of you who believe that Jesus never existed and that it's all a concoction or a myth, then how would you explain his prophecy to me?

I'd appreciate your replies.

Here's one plausible answer to that excellent question. (Btw, fascinating topic -- maybe deserving another thread of its own!)

Clearly, you were assisted. But by whom? As in the climax of the wonderful movie Contact, with Jodie Foster, a higher, benevolent intelligence might quite possibly present itself in whatever form might be most readily acceptable to the person being helped. (In the movie, Ellie (Foster) was met by an advanced alien intelligence who appeared to her in the form of her dead father -- and realized immediately that this was just a comforting factor in what otherwise might have been a bewildering and frightening experience.)

So -- a Christian might be visited by Jesus; a Muslim, by Muhammad; a Pagan, by a nature spirit; a research scientist, by the spirit of Tesla. :)

None of the above is about whether Jesus/Yeshua existed in person two thousand years ago. (I'm sure he did, btw.) It's a response to the conundrum of these kinds of benevolent visitations -- which, if one collects all the reports, are not as uncommon as one might think.

Thank you Bill,

I do realize this subject does not quite belong in this thread but since someone brought it up, i decided to reply.

I will not post on this issue in this thread anymore. My apologies for the deviation. I do tend to deviate from time to time.

[another bob]

Yes, which leads to the discussion of the creation of reality by mass consciousness. That 'Lucifer' AND 'God' both stated that they each needed the belief of the people in order to exist/connect. Which leads to the whole 'you are god' bit by the Buddhists, and the component of their training which has them creating a tulpa ...and then dissolving it.

That's an indirect method practiced by some Tibetans. More effective and expedient, imho, would be to inquire, "Who is the one who is creating God and Lucifer?" The result of sincere inquiry in this manner can lead to the insight that God is, because I am, and that all is in fact a projection of mind. By "mind", I do not mean the brain, btw. To come to the direct recognition of this mind is the beginning of true awakening.

In dreams, we are the source of whatever appears in consciousness, and in that sense, it is all a creation, supported by whatever reality we grant it, based on our own filters and conditioning. The only difference between the dream world and the waking world is that one seems short and the other long. Otherwise, there is no difference. Both are creations.

Our western sciences have not even scraped the surface when it comes to the power and potential of thought (both individual and collective). When that happens on a broad enough spectrum, evolution will accelerate in a quantum fashion.

[another bob]

In my experience Jesus both does not and never did exist AND also did exist and still exists. I have also seen Jesus but as soon as I looked past the awesome light and love I saw that it was just me in another form, so we both laughed and I went on my way.

Receiving messages as you do from Yeshua is also your Yeshua-self telling your DOT-self something that you may not hear in your present form unless your other self, Yeshua, told you. Why it's happening at all or in this way can probably never be answered. I've never found an actual reason for all these games in the Creation. It all just IS.

An interesting book I came upon recently was Nanci Danison's latest: BACKWARDS Beliefs: Revealing Eternal Truths Hidden in Religions. During her very detailed nde, she says that while merged with Source, she was shown a "documentary" of the history of creation. Having been raised a Catholic, she was quite shocked to discover, in her review of the time period in which Jesus was reported to have appeared, that there was no such actual person. As she examined the matter more closely, she saw how a composite was gradually created over time by certain parties for various political ends.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

I get visitations from Yeshua. Some of his messages are incredibly prophetic. One, in particular, occurred on Christmas Eve 2010 while in bed, trying to go to sleep. He appeared very concerned. He warned me that something very unpleasant and worrysome was about to occur but that it would bring no lasting damages so I should not be afraid for in the end everything would turn out well.

And indeed, on January 5 something completely unexpected, shocking and highly disruptive occured. Initially, this incident caused me great trepidation, and although I found myself in a highly surreal state since I couldn't believe what had befallen me, in the end, it turned out to have no lasting damages and once I recovered, I realized that it was a blessing in disguise.

For those of you who believe that Jesus never existed and that it's all a concoction or a myth, then how would you explain his prophecy to me?

I'd appreciate your replies.

Here's one plausible answer to that excellent question. (Btw, fascinating topic -- maybe deserving another thread of its own!)

Clearly, you were assisted. But by whom? As in the climax of the wonderful movie Contact, with Jodie Foster, a higher, benevolent intelligence might quite possibly present itself in whatever form might be most readily acceptable to the person being helped. (In the movie, Ellie (Foster) was met by an advanced alien intelligence who appeared to her in the form of her dead father -- and realized immediately that this was just a comforting factor in what otherwise might have been a bewildering and frightening experience.)

So -- a Christian might be visited by Jesus; a Muslim, by Muhammad; a Pagan, by a nature spirit; a research scientist, by the spirit of Tesla. :)

None of the above is about whether Jesus/Yeshua existed in person two thousand years ago. (I'm sure he did, btw.) It's a response to the conundrum of these kinds of benevolent visitations -- which, if one collects all the reports, are not as uncommon as one might think.

New thread about dreams, visitations from highly evolved beings started here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?47469-Visitations-visions-and-dreams-of-Jesus-and-others&p=522890#post522890).

[Flash]

In my experience Jesus both does not and never did exist AND also did exist and still exists. I have also seen Jesus but as soon as I looked past the awesome light and love I saw that it was just me in another form, so we both laughed and I went on my way.

Receiving messages as you do from Yeshua is also your Yeshua-self telling your DOT-self something that you may not hear in your present form unless your other self, Yeshua, told you. Why it's happening at all or in this way can probably never be answered. I've never found an actual reason for all these games in the Creation. It all just IS.

An interesting book I came upon recently was Nanci Danison's latest: BACKWARDS Beliefs: Revealing Eternal Truths Hidden in Religions. During her very detailed nde, she says that while merged with Source, she was shown a "documentary" of the history of creation. Having been raised a Catholic, she was quite shocked to discover, in her review of the time period in which Jesus was reported to have appeared, that there was no such actual person. As she examined the matter more closely, she saw how a composite was gradually created over time by certain parties for various political ends.

I heard that it was a composite of 3 persons living around the same time, one being spiritual teacher, one being political upheaval inspirer and another one being... i do not know. Anyhow, it would be quite interesting to see the Vatican library about this.

[another bob]

I heard that it was a composite of 3 persons living around the same time, one being spiritual teacher, one being political upheaval inspirer and another one being... i do not know. Anyhow, it would be quite interesting to see the Vatican library about this.

One of the composite characters might have been this fellow Appollonius, "a wandering ascetic/philosopher/wonderworker of a type common to the eastern part of the early empire", who even may have made a trip to India, and to whom many miraculous deeds were attributed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollonius_of_Tyana

[Fred Steeves]

Time loops also bring to mind things like celebrity deaths (ie Ernest Borgnine who recently died...I swear I remember his death occurring over ten years ago) or are they alive? At one time there were a lot of websites and blogs covering this phenomenon.


Huh Belle, that IS odd. I thought the same thing. A timeloop, a parralel dimension, how much difference is there really? This reminds me of something I ponder on from time to time. There have been several times in my life where I just knew I was in the process of being killed, experienced that coming to peace moment of acceptance, and then suddenly...I'm still here...Or was I?

Maybe I really did die during atleast one, if not all of those instances, but my source self chose to skip over to a parralel existance, one in which I miraculously survive.

I'm glad you brought that up.

Cheers,
Fred

Post Edit: For that matter, if everyone in the United States and Europe woke up tomorrow speaking German, and still carrying with them the stigma of the atrocities their country had committed before finally being annihilated in WW 2, would it seem any different than a "normal" morning?

Or maybe just get one of those fleeting oddball feelings we get from "time" to "time", before shrugging it of and continuing on with the day.

[mountain_jim]

.....
None of the above is about whether Jesus/Yeshua existed in person two thousand years ago. (I'm sure he did, btw.) It's a response to the conundrum of these kinds of benevolent visitations -- which, if one collects all the reports, are not as uncommon as one might think.

Due to a thread in the General forum,

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46708-GLOBAL-COASTAL-EVENT-Courtney-Brown-Farsight-Project-2013-Timeline-Prediction

I listened to the April Kerry interview with Courtney Brown yesterday. Turns out Brown set up a remote viewing project to answer this question, covered in video below, the results of which appear to match the material given through Jane Roberts by Seth concerning what happened with the Jesus character.

(aside - I am continuing to read more of the Seth books and find the material of high value, though I have no opinion about the validity of the below concerning the historical Christ story)

The remote viewing project results for June 2013 from Farsight Institute discussed in the Kerry interview linked to in the thread link above go right along with the material in this current thread, fwiw, as the results showed major Earth changes having happened by June 2013 in most of the 6 location targets chosen.

(later edit: After watching, this video serves more, in my opinion, as a marketing tool for his whole dvd, and does not contain any of the project target/session data. It does include the Seth statements he claims the results closely followed. Data is online here:

http://www.crucifixionruse.com/

sorry for thread digression but I find remote viewing to be a fascinating use of consciousness in a structured manner to obtain information)

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Published on Mar 28, 2012 by FarsightPress


The above YouTube video is the first 22 minutes of a much longer documentary (1 hr. 53 min.).
New evidence has been collected regarding the real historical Jesus and the crucifixion drama. This evidence changes everything we thought we knew about that event. Using remote-viewing methodologies derived from those developed by the United States military and used for espionage purposes, we now have a more complete picture of what apparently actually happened 2,000 years ago. Courtney Brown, Ph.D., the leading scholar in the field of remote viewing involving such procedures, explains how these new data, collected under controlled experimental conditions, indicate that someone else was crucified instead of Jesus. Moreover, the data indicate that Jesus took part in the ruse, a risky plan that made Jesus into a martyr, allowing his teachings to spread across the millennia. These data also support the idea that Judas was a primary conspirator, and he acted to save, not betray Jesus. Importantly, this new evidence does not diminish Jesus or his legacy. Courtney Brown explains why Jesus had no choice but to allow the crucifixion event to occur as it did, an explanation that is based on an interpretation of quantum physics. Now, the new evidence allows us finally to understand his teachings more fully, something that was not possible in Jesus's day. It seems likely that Jesus knew that the truth would one day come out, once we matured as a civilization. That day is today. Look at the data yourself, learn about the methodologies used to collect them, and then decide for yourself.

The full documentary explains all of the data, and offers a complete interpretation of the results that is as unambiguous as it is surprising. The full documentary is available as a DVD on Amazon.com.

(Release date: 22 March 2012)

http://www.crucifixionruse.com/

[Chester]

For those of you who believe that Jesus never existed and that it's all a concoction or a myth, then how would you explain his prophecy to me?

I'd appreciate your replies.

Your Higher Self will appear in whatever form to which you are most conditioned to respond.


~ Mellen-Thomas Benedict

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/reincarnation04.html

I know this post won't be very popular.

I have studied the synchronicity phenomena for years and in depth. I was able to achieve incredible synchronicities whenever I got excited that I was onto some higher spiritual truth. Now let me add the kicker. I experienced these levels of quite profound and all but mathematically impossible synchronicities when I studied the perennial philosophy which some refer to as "mystery school" teachings, when I studied Luciferianism and Satanism, when I studied Buddhism, when I studied the Tao, when I studied both fundamental and mystical Christianity, Judaism and Islam, when I studied trans personal psychology and when I studied some of the nature religions and shamanism.

It has been my conclusion that I tapped into a "higher self" of sorts that, because of my enthusiasm, returned to me "synchronistic" confirmations which, when I was younger, led me to believe I was on the right track.

The problem being that all the tracks at one time or another were shown to be "the right track."

This experience has led me to conclude that we can explore all of these things in the lower dimensions so to speak, the realms of duality... and that with enough enthusiasm, we receive psi confirmations - dreams, intuitions, synchronicities, etc.

We then sometimes make the mistake that these confirmations are from some higher source, higher authority and in many cases, people will attach to a specific path or philosophy or religion and never realize they are simply exploring lower realms in attempts to answer questions that can't be answered in words and in fact, can't be asked.

I am unsure if what I wrote above can make much sense to the reader, but in hopes of conveying a point... my point is that when we are against time (as we are in this game) if we avoid trying to implement someone else's path and instead constantly invent the path within... as long as we stay true to ourselves and in the process use rigorous honesty, if one's true, honest intent is "to see a better world" one will become the change wanted to be seen and I like to believe we experience this change externally.

I don't like to quote others, but I alluded to something from Gandhi above and now will mention one from Krishnamurti - "Truth is a pathless land."

All this is outside of duality (which unfortunately the words just used suggest a duality) but I have recently found my experience of this non dual world is assisting me in solidifying who I am and thus what I am about in this world of duality.

"Don't look for signs," is the message I get... "just continue on in the journey and be true to yourself, justone. And when the duality pulls you in, you will be fully prepared to respond and respond for the best, even if that means a fight."

all great posts in the last several pages and I see them (including DoTs) as relevant to this thread - especially align with these four - justoneman

631 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46887-From-Bill-Ryan-the-Ultimate-Hypothesis&p=522865&viewfull=1#post522865) Bill
632 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46887-From-Bill-Ryan-the-Ultimate-Hypothesis&p=522867&viewfull=1#post522867) NancyV
636 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46887-From-Bill-Ryan-the-Ultimate-Hypothesis&p=522874&viewfull=1#post522874) another bob
642 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46887-From-Bill-Ryan-the-Ultimate-Hypothesis&p=522948&viewfull=1#post522948) mountain_jim

[AnthonyBacala]

SPECIAL REPORT: THE END OF OZ
Bix Weir

Found here http://www.roadtoroota.com/public/305.cfm

Spring 1964: A little known high school teacher named Henry Littlefield published an article in the American Quarterly arguing that the novel "The Wonderful Wizard of OZ" was a cleverly disguised satire on the politics of the late 1800's America. He also argued that the Author, Frank Baum, devised the first "truly American Fairy Tale" as a Monetary Allegory on the virtues of a bi-metallic monetary system and the fight against the evil bankers.

The Wizard of OZ: Parable on Populism http://www.amphigory.com/oz.htm

Since this article was publish there have been many follow on articles and other theories developed as to the meaning of the story but the monetary symbolism lives on in the hearts of millions of gold bugs and hard-money advocates around the world.

The following is my interpretation of the characters and plot of the original OZ story drawing mostly from the original Littlefield article but also others that have been published.

CHARACTERS

Dorothy = The "Everyman" representing the many "Sheeple" that live their lives from day to day unaware there is more going on behind the scenes. Dorothy wanted to find her way home (to the ideal of the United States of America as set forth by our Founding Fathers)

The Scarecrow = Midwest farmers whose years of hardship and self doubt has made them the subject of ridicule. The Scarecrow was in search of a brain.

The Tin Woodsman = Represented the nations workers and in particular industrial workers who were being disenfranchised by the industrial leaders and banking concerns. The Tin Woodsman was in search of a heart.

The Cowardly Lion = Represented William Jennings Bryan, the Nebraska Congressman who was the Democratic presidential candidate in 1896 and 1900. Jennings was known for his roaring rhetoric but didn't have enough support and confidence to back-up his verbal attacks. The Cowardly Lion was in search of courage.

The Wizard = A manipulative politician or even the President of the United States.

The Wicked Witches = Represent financial-industrial interests and their gold-standard political allies, the main targets of Populist venom.

The Colors of Money = The story is richly bathed in the colors of gold, silver and green all having vital importance to both the plot and the monetary allegory.

THE PLOT

In its most basic form, the plot of The Wonderful Wizard of OZ is a quest by the people of the United States of America to take back the control of their monetary system by "melting" the evil cabal of bankers and industrialist that use and abuse the power of money for their own purposes. It is truly a battle between the forces of good and evil, and, as in most good fairy tales, good will always triumph over evil...but this tale never really ended!

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At the end of Baum's novel Dorothy returns to the "colorless" world of gray Kansas and loses her silver slippers. Here is an excellent interpretation of the actual results of the adventure:

"Neither the Scarecrow nor the Tin Man nor the Lion truly lacked what each believed he was missing; the great Wizard's powers proved illusory; and Dorothy had the power to transform her condition all along. These features of the story point to a more ambivalent result. Indeed, Populism's outright failure is suggested when Dorothy's silver shoes fall off in the desert and are "lost forever." After Bryan's defeat in 1896, the free-silver movement went into rapid decline. McKinley's reelection and the statutory adoption of the gold standard in 1900 spelled political oblivion for the Populists."

http://www.usagold.com/gildedopinion/oz.html

It's plain to see how our monetary realities have transpired since the story was written over 110 years ago. Today, the total and complete transfer of control of our monetary system has almost been achieved by the banking and industrial powers.

Could it be that for over 110 years this "Truly American Fairy Tale" is still in process? And if so WHEN WILL WE FINALLY MELT THE WITCH? Don't ALL fairy tales really END with the final defeat of the evil villain, or are we going to realize Dorothy's worst nightmare and never return home?

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THE END OF OZ

We last left our hero in the Wonderful Wizard of OZ on the plains of Kansas in a gray, dark land with very little hope for introducing the colors of OZ (gold/silver backed monetary system). Since the book was released in 1900 there have been many "remakes" of the OZ story in books, films and plays but they have all ended on that same sour note of Dorothy returning to the colorless world.

Net effect = No change

…until NOW!

In December 2007 the SciFi Channel aired the latest remake of the OZ tale with the release of "Tin Man". This new version of the old tale was complete with the latest special effects and a new angle. It is clearly not based off the original characters in Baum's 1900 era plot.

Here is the original Trailer for Tin Man: gs5PEEzaxjU

You can buy the Collector edition here:

http://www.amazon.com/Tin-Two-Disc-Collectors-Zooey-Deschanel/dp/B0010X744G

Or you can instantly download all three episodes here:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003VWSX4E/ref=sr_1_1_vod_2_pur_sea?ie=UTF8&s=digital-video&qid=1298612152&sr=1-1

Truthfully, when I first watched this movie I was on the hunt for clues to the Monetary Allegory angle and I didn't see them. It seemed to me to be a very bizarre telling of the story that made no sense at all. Was this just another attempt to suck some more profits from the original tale by updating it with special effects for today's attention-deficit-disorder audience that refuses to watch movies unless they are in 3D on an iMax screen?

So I did a little more checking, a little more thinking and a LOT more opening my mind to the possibility and WHAM! There is was. Clear as day.

A NEW MONETARY ALLEGORY BASED ON TODAY'S EVENTS!

One that is based off the CURRENT EVENTS discussed in:

The Road to Roota Theory http://www.roadtoroota.com/public/190.cfm

Let me walk you through it with the characters and plot like I did above:

CHARACTERS

D.G. = The "Everyday" person represented by the US Congress. The initials D.G. stand for Dorothy Gale from the original story. Just like Dorothy, D.G. is wandering through life with blinders on but also a feeling that something was not right about the world she was living in.

Glitch = The character Glitch is a take-off on the Scarecrow who once had a brain but it was removed by the bad guys and now he is a bumbling fool. Glitch was once the Queens most trusted adviser who invented a digital machine that controls the entire O.Z. (Outer Zone). Glitch represents Alan Greenspan who used his computer programming ability to rig the "free markets" since the early 1970's. This computer control was stolen by the banking cabal in the late 1980's and Greenspan turned into the babbling mouthpiece that ran the fiat monetary system from 1987-2007. In the end Glitch regains his brains and fights to take down the banksters. (See "Greenspan's Golden Secret" http://www.roadtoroota.com/public/101.cfm)

Tin Man = The character Tin Man or Cain is a takeoff on the Tin Woodsman. Cain is a cop who has been locked in a metal bodysuit and forced to watch the murder of his wife over and over. The Tin Man represents ex-Attorney General, Michael Mukasey who presided over the 1993 World Trade Center bombings, Jose Padilla 911 trail and the Larry Silverstein WTC insurance trial. Basically, Mukasey oversaw the evil plots by the banking cabal against America and was helpless to stop them for fear of assassination. Like the movie, he was forced to witness the murder of his love (the Rule of Law). Mukasey was one of Ronald Regan's closest allies and part of a small alliance of people in charge of the Gold Standard Implementation process. His son Marc, who got bankster Bernnie Madoff's accountant to turn states evidence against the banking cabal, is represented in the movie as Cain's son Jeb, the leader of the underground resistance.

RAW = The character "RAW" is a takeoff on the Cowardly Lion who, like William Bryan, is full of strong rhetoric but lacked the courage to fight the bad guys. RAW represents our friend Ron Paul. For years Ron has spoken out against the evils of fiat money and the Federal Reserve System only to be cast aside. The character RAW is found trapped inside a womb, of sorts, which is symbolic of RP's having delivered over 4,000 babies in his professional career as a doctor. RAW is able to see the future just like Ron Paul has seen the destruction of the fiat monetary system. RAW is found trapped in the "fields of the Papay" which have these scary creatures that I believe represent commodity traders on the COMEX.

Tutor = The shape shifting character Tutor is a takeoff on Dorothy's dog Toto. Tutor represents the ex Fed Chairman Paul Volcker who taught the United States how to float currencies without a gold standard. In the movie Tutor is seen as a traitor for working for the banksters as a spy which Volcker did in real life when he worked for the Rothschilds banking family. In the end Tutor helps to take down the evil empire just like Volcker is currently helping to take down the banksters with his Volcker Rule.

Azkadellia = In Tin Man, Azkadellia is actually the sister of D.G. but becomes possessed by an evil witch when she is a child and turns against D.G. (the people). Azkadellia represents the Federal Reserve System which was taken over by the banksters. Azkadellia wears a gold armored dress for much of the movie until the final scene when she has a silver dress on with the green emerald around her neck. Azkadellia and D.G. stand together to melt the wicked witch with a ray of SILVER while the witch fires a ray of GOLD.

The Witch = The Witch represents the Wicked Witch of the West who tries to take control of the entire OZ and plunge it into darkness. The Witch is found in a dark cave when D.G. and Azkadellia are just little girls and the witch possesses Azkadellia when D.G. abandons her. In the end the Witch is melted by a SILVER beam emitted from the joining of D.G. (Congress) and Azkadellia (Federal Reserve). When the witch is melting the she says "I care not for the heavens do my bidding" which is eerily reminiscent of Mayer Rothschild's quote "Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes her laws."

The Mystic Man = The Mystic Man represents President Ronald Regan who began the original attack on the banking cabal in 1980 and tried to implement a gold standard before he was silenced. The first attempt on his life by VP Bush Sr. (with the setup of his friend's son John Hinkley Jr. as the pawn) but what worked was his contracting Alzheimer's (which may have been poison induced by the bad guys). The Mystic Man is addicted to Vapors, a drug created by Azkadellia and is ultimately killed by the queen by sucking a silver mist from his mouth.

Queen Lavender-Eyes = The character Lavender Eyes is a new character to the story but is obviously a representation of Liberty as she is the mother of D.G. and locked away on a small island to stand alone in a gray/green dress. The symbolism to the Statue of Liberty is obvious and D.G.'s attempt to free her represents the "good guys" attempt to restore Liberty to the citizens of the United States of America.

http://www.roadtoroota.com/public/images/305d.JPG

Zero = One of the main bad guy's is named Zero. It is very difficult to determine who the bad guys are but my guess on this one is that it is Dick Cheney. This is only a guess but due to the nasty nature of this character it makes sense that Cheney be represented because he has run much of the banking cabals operations in the US for the last three decades.

Ahamo = The character Ahamo is also a new character to the story and I believe this to be in reference to Warren Buffet the Oracle of Omaha (Ahamo spelled backwards). Although I see no evidence of Warren Buffet working with the good guys today, I believe that he will come through in a meaningful way when the time is right. Here is my take on Mr. Buffett and the taking down of the bad guys (http://www.roadtoroota.com/public/243.cfm)

Mobats = The Mobats are part monkey, part bat creatures who are based on the Flying Monkeys from the original story. They were imprisoned with the Evil Witch of the Dark in her cave and enter into Azkadellia when the Witch takes possession of her. Mobats represent the Banks that are summoned by the Federal Reserve Banks to rig the financial markets.

Longcoats = The Longcoats are Azkadellia's Royal Troops. Stereotypical evil henchmen, they get their names from the long, black coats which they wear. Their appearance and attitude is akin to members of the SS, Hitler's secret police. The Longcoats represent the Cabals henchmen that implement the more diabolical plans of the Bad Guys such as the Kennedy assassination and false flag operations (ie 911 style attacks).

THE PLOT

Although the plot of "Tin Man" holds many of the same monetary concepts as the original story the characters and story line have changed dramatically. DG's always felt that there was something missing in her life...some cosmic meaning. When she is transported to the O.Z. by the tornado (financial crisis) she begins to understand that there is a world that was hidden from her.

In this new world D.G. (Congress or The People) discovers she has a sister (the Federal Reserve) that was once good but turned bad when she became possessed by an evil witch(Banking Cabal). When they were young they worked and played together learning how to make their green doll float (floating fiat currencies) with the help of Tudor (Paul Volcker). She also learned that she had a mother (Liberty) who loved her very much but was locked away on an island by the witch. Her mothers most trusted adviser and once the smartest man on the O.Z. Glitch (Greenspan) invented a digital machine called the Sun Seeder (Greenspan's original gold market rigging computer programs) that the witch stole and was using it to destroy the O.Z.

D.G. relives the moment when her sister becomes possessed by the evil witch and understands that it was her fault her sister became possessed by the evil witch. Upon entering the cave of the witch D.G. became scared and ran from her sister's side breaking their silver, glowing grip that provided protection (silver money controlled by Congress). She soon realizes that all of the tragedies which have befallen the O.Z. are the result of that mistake she made as a child (Congress giving up control of fiat money to the Banking Cabal). D.G. also learns that she has more power than she knows and goes on a journey to find the Emerald of the Eclipse (the power of fiat US Dollars) to stop the evil witch from destroying the O.Z.

D.G. travels through many strange lands on her way to find the Emerald of the Eclipse. First was a forest where the Eastern Resistance (Chinese) were fighting Azkadellia's Longcoats but did not have the size and power to do much damage. Then there was Milltown (any US Manufacturing town) which has been all but destroyed with only some 1/2 human and 1/2 robotic people (technology replacing human production). D.G. travels to a place that looks very similar to the halls of the US Congress with large marble walls and columns to finally find the Emerald but Azkadellia steals it from her. The power over the Emerald (fiat USD) gives her the power to "bring eternal darkness to the O.Z."

D.G. rejoins with her group of new friends (Ron Paul, Michael Mukasey, Alan Greenspan, Paul Volcker) to take back the Emerald of the Eclipse. D.G. confronts Azkadellia as she is using the Emerald and the Sun Seeder to lock the the two suns behind the moon and banish the O.Z. to eternal darkness (Two EMP satellites that may have been the original end game for the banking cabal).

In the end, Azkadellia removes herself from the grasp of the wicked which and standing hand in hand with D.G. attack with a SILVER beam of light as the witch fights back with a smaller GOLD beam of light. The witch melts, the sun comes out and the O.Z. is instantly transformed to it's original state of beauty, abundance and "liberty and justice for all".

The final line in the movie is:

"Now this is the O.Z. I remember".

MORE EVIDENCE

The Producer -- When I first started investigating this movie as a play on current events I had to establish a link between someone who was involved in this movie and the good guys who are taking down the cabal and it didn't take very long. The main driving force behind the production of Tin Man was Robert Halmi Sr. who is not only a very famous movie producer but also worked for the CIA…. http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/contributor/1800275083/bio

Halmi's early days with the CIA give him the perfect insiders view of the battle between the Good Guys and the Bad Guys. If you watch the interviews with him about the movie (in the special features of the DVD) it is clear that he had a passion for making this film and carrying on the long held traditions of the original book but updating them for today. This includes the monetary allegory angle.

Gold/Silver Role -- Gold and silver play a HUGE role in the entire movie from start to finish. Here are just some observations:

- The "Yellow Brick Road" is missing many gold bricks just as suggested by the GATA crowd that the Gold in Ft. Knox is long gone

- Silver plays a VERY big role with a silver glow showing up when D.G. is feeling lost in the café, the silver glow when D.G. and Azkadellia make their red and green dolls float (floating currencies), when a Silver net that looks a lot like silver ore is dumped on D.G. and friends (COMEX dumping), the doll that glows silver that is given to Ahamo (Buffett), silver drives away the bear (Stearns?) and ultimately it is silver that kills the wicked witch.

- At a pivotal point in the script D.G. goes into a building that looks like marbled Congress to retrieve the Emerald (monetary authority). When she enters the room she is transported into a black and white version of a farm in Kansas where the real Dorothy hands D.G. the emerald. D.G. Looks down and sees Dorothy wearing SILVER slippers! Too symbolic to be accident if you ask me.

- Azkadellia wears gold armored dresses most of the time that she is possessed by the Wicked Witch. In the end she is in a silver dress and is ultimately freed from the witch by the silver beam coming from the joining of Congress (D.G.) and the Federal Reserve (Azkadellia).

http://www.roadtoroota.com/public/images/305c.JPG

Tin Man Interactive - The ScyFy Channel has set up an interactive website that takes you through the art of the movie in "Enter the Infinite OZ". During the journey you will find it starts with a Golden scene, goes through a scene with a multi-colored road (various commodities), through a cave filled with geologic mineral deposits(secret Grand Canyon deposits?) and ends on a beautiful SILVER ROAD that leads to your destination! It can be found here:

http://www.syfy.com/tinman/oz/

All Seeing Eye = To top off all the monetary symbolism they even include the "All Seeing Eye" that is put into D.G.'s hand. To enter the Congress like building and find the emerald D.G. uses the power of the all seeing eye.

http://www.roadtoroota.com/public/images/305f.jpg

Here are some posted YouTube Videos for those who don't have the DVD of the movie:

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I know this is a lot to take in as it has taken me YEARS to come to these conclusions BUT it is an AMAZING angle at an historic moment in time. You will need to watch this movie, look for all the clues and judge for yourself.

Oh, this report is only PART 1 of my analysis!

PART 2 will address the following themes:

- Red and Green dresses represent FRN's and Treasury Notes

- The Rothschild Shield is on the wall of Azkadellia's castle

- Floating Green doll represents the floating fiat currency system

- The bear represents Bear Sterns

- The digital codes to stop the "Sun Seeder" are significant dates in our monetary history

- Xora, the leader of the Mobats, represents Goldman Sachs

- The hidden language in the cave and our hidden history of an ancient civilization that once lived on earth

AND THERE IS MUCH MORE!

Stay tuned :-)

Bix Weir www.RoadtoRoota.com

[SEAM]

From another forum .... (just copying here)

Re: I am the real John Lear...ask me a question

John,

What is your thoughts on this interview?

[link to golden-rule.org]

The video is recommended by Bill Ryan, and is an interview with an Army-veteran that was involved in government work 30 years ago. According to his testimony part of his job was to load up the black anti-grav triangles with equipment.

[link to projectavalon.net]

Thanks!
Quoting: Ofelas



Thanks Ofelas,

That was extremely interesting.

(1) So basically the grays run on green hydraulic fluid and don’t come from outer space but from another dimension?

(2) Starting in December of 2012 will be the elimination of 6.5 billion people. The only ones that are
safe are those who can get a ride to the moon or who have a clearance for the underground facilities on earth.

(3) We can (if we are among the living) come back to earth in 7 years and start the repopulation. (The possibilities of that are intriguing!!!)

(4) The Mayan calendar was correct.

(5) We all have to make a decision. (I’m not clear on this. If we decide to live where do we go? Is there a line? I guess I’ll have to go back and listen again.)

As to the second video we all pretty much knew about that anti-grav stuff and the vast underground tunnels you have to kill me if you tell me about.

Bottom Line: Although ‘Dutch’ is quite sincere and uses “…and everything..” where most people use ...um..ahhh…” its basically horse puckey. Aliens are not from outer space?

Aliens are us in the future coming back to help us? Sounds like the J-Rod/Dan Burisch 5200-4600 scenario? So if I am sitting in my house in December 2012 the sun is going to blink out, the moon will turn red and then I will be eliminated? Will I feel anything? Will there be like a cosmic sound? Or will it be like a spontaneous human combustion where all that is left is fingers and toes. Imagine that? That’s 70 billion toes, 70 billion fingers and 14 billions ears.

Gaddzzooks. I wonder who gets to clean up that mess?

[SEAM]

He also had the same response to "Your God-My God" that Bill presented a page or so ago.. (One interesting fellow - JL)

Actually there is room in heaven for everybody. If you are Christian you will be met by Jesus or God (I always get the two confused). If you are a Buddhist you will be met by Buddha himself. If you are Muslim you will be met by Mohammed or God himself.

I believe in the Great Pumkin so I will be met by the Everlasting Great Pumkin.

Remember what Steve Jobs said a few minutes before he died?

He said, Oh, wow! OH WOW!!!! OH WOW!!!!!

Each Oh Wow was louder than the first.

What Steve was looking at was the reception room upstairs. It is so magnificent with huge gold and silver ornaments and trimmings that it literally would take your breath away if you had any. But it is just your soul with no pain, sorrow, grief or regret.

I do not know why they let Steve make that utterance because it is usually very secret. But the fact is he did make it, it did make all the newspapers, and that is what he saw and meant.

If you are wondering about what happens if you go to hell, there are many degrees of hell, earth being one of them.

We are sent here because sometime in our previous lives we were bad boys and girls. And we have to work out these problems on earth, being challenged up to 25 times a day or more depending on your partricular case. And we are supposed to meet those challenges with integrity; and without envy, hate or greed.

So while I don't believe in a God it doesn't mean you have to believe as I do. You can believe in anybody you want just so long as as you meet your challenges as specified above.

And you should know that getting a dunking or eating a cracker or saying a few Hail Marys or asking some mythical figure is not going to get you into heaven because everybody is welcome whether you ask or not.

Just so you live your live with integrity; and without envy, hate or greed and express your love to your family each and every day.

I don't or won't regret saying anything because you don't get reprimanded for saying a God doesn't exist because he doesn't and the proof is that the universe is infinite. Can you imagine what it would be like to be God and have to round up all the sinners in a universe that was infinite?

Or just imagine if the gatekeeper guy St. Pete had to keep track of an infinite universe full of trillions and godzillions of aliens and humans? Not even in the realm of possibility.

And if you are so unsure of your place in the sun that you are going to quit reading my posts the question is why? .

[Hervé]

I was reading this article on SOTT.net (http://www.sott.net/articles/show/248338-The-Troika-Takes-Two-More-Victims-the-Coup-Regime-sells-off-Greek-Property) about Greece selling properties, etc... but what interested me most was the comment to this article:



Greece Has More Oil Than Iran. (http://www.sott.net/articles/show/248338-The-Troika-Takes-Two-More-Victims-the-Coup-Regime-sells-off-Greek-Property#comment71429) By: Highland Fleet Lute (http://www.sott.net/users/show/5698-Highland-Fleet-Lute)

The southern part of Crete apparently has more oil than Iran! Speaking on STEP FM in Canada, Professor Antonis Foskolos from the Department of Mineral Resources and Engineering of the Technical University of Crete. said that "we committed ​​a crime back in 1997 when they stopped investigations."

Foskolos said that the hydrocarbon fields under Crete are immense with at least 22 billion barrels of oil. The Herodotus Basin he said has some 14 to 15 billion barrels of oil, while there are only 400 million barrels in Patras. He also noted that the deposits of natural gas recently found in Cyprus are still "small" because there are at least three other layers that have yet to be investigated. Cyprus has four layers.. said Foskolos... but the aforementioned basin under Crete has "7 layers"!

The Professor said that once the oil begins being exploited it will all be exported, since the whole area Crete has an additional 22 billion barrels of oil totaling some 38 billion barrels! "We are at the level of Iran in relation to stocks," (meaning oil reserves) noted Foskolos and concluded by saying that in 2016-2017 this development, and these riches will change the face of Greece. This "will change the strength of the country. "

In an earlier report on hellasfrappe Foskolos had said that the two areas that in his professional opinion have significant amount of deposits are nine mud volcanoes southeast of Crete, in the Greek Herodotus basin. More precisely, the mud volcanoes in this area contain high amounts of hydrocarbon reserves, primarily natural gas, of approximately 1.5 trillion cubic meters! (Click here for that story)
This is comparable with what has been found in the Nile Delta, the Caspian Sea (deposit Shah Deniz), Norway and elsewhere.

In his expert opinion, the south eastern basin of Herodotus in Crete has reserves that surpass two trillion cubic meter mark. This is a vast amount and can only be compared to what was discovered in the Nile Delta (by SHELL, BP) . He says the sediments are of the same origin and geological formations are very similar. In all so far, it is estimated that there are 3.5 trillion cubic meters of gas located there, which can be equaled to 20-22 billion barrels of oil!

The benefits for Greece are obvious. Foskolos believes that the exploitation of these deposits will create a total of 300,000 jobs. At least 100,000 in the primary sector and 200,000 jobs in the secondary sector, while all revenue can be reaped by the Greek state in 25 years amounts to 437 billion US and this is not counting the profits from the pipeline that will transport the natural gas to Europe ( at a length of 1000 km at a cost of approximately $ 20,000 / km, or 25 billion US dollars.)

Other experts agree with Foskolos as well. A separate report on the Chaniotika nea site said that Professor Giannis Makris says that there are two potential hydrocarbon reserves southwest of Crete, where sediment thickness frin 10 to 12 kilometers, and there are hydrocarbon reserves in Western Crete where there are 3 fields of mud volcanoes.

.... and thousands of tons of gold, uranium, osmium and and other rare minerals, apparently.

"Whenever we attempted to start bidding processes that would allow corporations to create infrastructure for the extraction of the resources we received major pressure to abandon the efforts and warnings that 'nothing will materialise' no matter what we do".....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8M-rJULXlo&feature=related
[Link (http://hellasfrappe.blogspot.co.uk/2012/01/professor-tells-canadian-radio-that.html)]

This, together with Tunisia, Egypt, Lybia, Syria... reminded me of what's in the Angelo Roncalli's prophecies:

"They want the Mediterranean Sea." Now, at least I've got an idea why... and with that decided to pursue a rough translation of most of these prophecies written down in 1935 and ending at "Twenty centuries plus the savior's age"(which many interpret as being 2033), so here they are after a short intro on the book history:

Pier Carpi
We remember the impact produced by the book's publication by Pier Carpi, "The Prophecies of Pope John XXIII." The book was published in Rome by the "Mediterranean Editions" in 1976 and then, almost immediately, again in French by Jean-Claude Lattes / Williams-Alto. This was to generate some controversy in spiritualist circles and intrigued at the highest point many commentators of prophetic texts. If one believes Jacques Duchaussoy, “... what this author has condensed in his book ‘The Prophecies of Pope John XXIII’ must have provoked terrifying or terrified reactions in high places because in the weeks that followed the French publication of the book, it disappeared from any bookseller and the editor replied ‘sold out’”

The fact is that the interest, with respect to these papal prophecies -- in any form whatsoever, fell rapidly. It was not until the fall of 1978, the strange conclave that placed John Paul I on the throne of Peter, and the sudden death of the new Pontiff, that we remember the revelations of Pier Carpi and we rediscovered his book. Curiously, it had reappeared in paperback ('J’ai Lu' A353) a few months earlier, in March more precisely ...


"0 Italy who believed in the false freedom of 1870 and has never known freedom.
Who has raised in your womb the ills of the time, born in the city of the first edict.

You have had false kings, sons of non-kings, you do not know how to kill them while they kill you. Today your king, son of non-king, is the shadow of the mask which yells. In Monaco he will simulate peace, but he has shed blood in Spain.

And the son of the beast is brother, father, master to him. The black pagan gods are exhumed and eagles and songs of death. There never was freedom, there is no freedom. He who believes opposing the false knowledge to faith, pride preterm to the divine, is not free. Today it’s these sons of that pride, enclosed within borders, who are trembling. And they are all enemies.

And you new Czar, cursed by the little father, you shake the hand of the black dictator. Look at the sea, It will be red with blood.


"United in the pride of victory, of revenge, caught in the net of expansion, you’ll separate from each other and you’ll crumble down in your society, nations.

It is not privilege that can bring peace to the world, it is not invasion, it is not the separation of the blood, Sons of the demon of Luther. The states of the future were without of you, you've ignored them, you have trampled them. Slaves today, tomorrow enlightened masters.

Danzig, wound of Europe, scourge of the world.

Dividing the world means to divide and injure, kill. The son of the Beast marches on, begotten in a year in secret.

The docile slaves, eternal sons of God and the most Blessed Great Mother, suffer beyond the Ural Mountains.

They die by the millions in silence, little will be revealed.

The dead do not talk.

The new Tsar kills the true sons of the little father. He sports the eyes of a wolf. But the wolves are at the border.

Why the traveler with the eyes of steel does not speak, who knows, perhaps it’s been asked of him? Why is he fleeing in silence?

On the Angels’ Land there was too much pride. The world is sure to smile. And the rich play with the puppies pretending to ignore that these are the three wolves of the world's three errors.


"Great the races. False crowns are worn on large land, we give slave kings and chiefs to civil people in the name of the void created by evil.

He who can act remains motionless, hoping to save himself, or take his share.

In laboratories weapons are prepared, unknown to all. Italy is the forge. [Fermi Labs]

Italy, who puts in fake marble what she does not have in her heart. Her men are statues without thoughts.

The intended war. The war of all, without borders. The son of the Beast loosens the wild beasts.

And Europe collapses, like a statue of mud.

The sea kills under water. And the sky spits fire. Innocent people killed in houses.
And where boots and nails arrive, the children of Israel know the torment. Sheep barns for their pain and subtle death.

The torturers know, they will lie at Nuremberg.

Always look for the perpetrators, even when you believe they are dead. Look for them wherever power survives on terror. Look for them in the houses of the ones who have been enriched with the war.

Not for revenge, but to prevent them and their children to invade the world once more by hiding the word and the chief.

We will say nothing of Italy, but her men are complicit.

The son of the Beast holds the Great Weapon in his heart.


"He who fell from the African sky and whose wing was struck and could act. It is why he was killed.

His secret wife knows and holds the letters of betrayal. They will appear at her death and then the one who seems sheep is to appear wolf.

Whoever lit three candles in the holy night, fled. Who knew?

The new Tsar has betrayed, he thought he had lost. He killed his men before the nails trampled them. And by his cowardice millions fall. But his honored body will be removed from the sanctuary.

The Angels’ Land cries and her leader will betray. Other letters one day to be known. When the secret of the son the Beast’s friend is discovered, who took off at night to the Angels’ Land. [Hess]

The Celestial Land is divided, invaded. But there acts the greatest of all, it will be one day called father and give love to his great nation. He has three enemies, he has will beat them one after the other.

The first enemy, yellow, hit the sons of Luther, naked in the water. The second is on his land and has powerful friends.

The third is the new Tsar, who ordered to kill him.


"Europe is in bloom.

France has two leaders, but great is the one of the desert [De Gaule]. He owes a secret gratitude to the general of Spain [Franco].

We fight, but from the mountains, red and white flowers climb down, Europe, these are your best sons, who one day will be betrayed.

Because the leaders they believe they shot down will control again, always the same.

They shot down the money puppets, not the money masters. And they will be seduced by the new Tsar, who defeated despite the betrayal, with his fierce red flame.

The sons of Luther in Europe. War of weapons, wars of the passions. The youngs from the mountains have new flags, which the powerful will tear out through deceit. Beware the sons of Luther and the sons of the new Tsar. They want a world battered for the last meal. France, rise up the Cross of Lorraine. Europe, brandish your songs louder than the sound of the guns.

The son the Beast has escaped three attacks. Not the fourth. He used them to kill who he hates. But for him it is the end. Locked in the den, tightly holding the other’s wife. On his death, the mystery.

But beware of the man who emerged from the den at the end. It will take him a long time to die and the prepares the world other scourgess. He knows the Beast’s real face.


"You son of Luther, you will not see the end of the destruction. And your successor will commit more crimes than you, if possible. [Ike-Pearl Harbour / Truman-Hiroshima]

The Great Weapon will explode in the Orient, leaving eternal wounds. This loose mark on the flesh of the world will no longer be erased.

The Great Weapon, useless to the war, used for power. To frighten those who do not submit to slavery. But no weapon stops one who has faith.

On the Celestial Land one fights for freedom. The little Tsar shudders at the explosion. He wants to stop a people in revolt, on the Celestial Land. He will not succeed.

The traitor of the Land of Angels lost the maps. They will reappear one day. He killed to get them back.

On Brahma’s Land an unarmed voice. It is the consciousness of the world, which will never die, even when his flesh is dead.

The mask will be hung upside down in the city of the edict. But nobody will ever know how he was killed. The order came from afar.

The king who was not a king's son will not return to Italy. And even the man who said to be his son will be expelled. The night of revenge will be hard.

0 Israel who returns to your land.


"The trampled young nations explode, one fights and wins. On the far land of the Orient, one will fight for a long time and peace will be distant. And to the sons of Jeanne, the sons of Luther will be substituted. But all will be defeated.

On the Celestial Land, a single winner, with thought, with the action, with speech. Through him, a new order of things will come to the world.

The sons of Luther are fighting around the world.

Israel resurfaces and triumphs. But Islam is no less great and the crescent is divided.

The wrath of the enslavers rages closer now that the distant war is lost. The Great Weapons are all over the world and are the keys to fear.

Europe is divided. A small wall a great shame.

The little Tsar dies, killed out of sight, in his den. But his killers were already partly dead, the others will kill each others.

Look in the waters of the Neva.

Civilized Occident, trampled, heads in rows, enslaved peoples. You are persecuted Christians, the Mother of Silence does not die. Who lost the war, wins it today.

On Jeanne’s Land, shots at the Cross of Lorraine [De Gaule]. Not far away, the second Elisabeth witnesses the collapse of what the first one built. Today the sea is short and the force is farther away.

The war is in man, now.

Nuremberg the unfair. The assassins are absent. Some of them in the seats of the judges.

This shadow spreads far.


"Men and gun shots. In Europe Heads of states and opponents. Someone will fall.

Seven widows are ready at the altar, they expect the spouses.

South of Luther unrest, weapons and nations screaming. The son of the Sun will go away several times. But here Mammon commands and God is only in words.

The man with no hair, the farmer, smiled to the Orient. But his smile is a grin, because many suffer and die because of him. He befell the giant, but he will remain small. [Khrushchev]

A family of dictators takes power in the land of the son of Luther. It will shed blood. Then Noah will begin to build the ultimate Arch. But she will not know the waters, thanks to the word of he who we do not know but who scares the powerful when he comes down the mountain.

The President will fall, fall will his brother. Between them the corpse of the innocent star. [Marylin]

There are some who know. Ask the first black widow and the man who will lead her to the altar on the island. [Jackie + Onassis, Scorpio island]

Their secrets are in weapons, in crime. And those are the secrets of the one who was not at Nuremberg.

Three will shoot the president. The third one will be among the three who will hit the second.

Luther will die and that will be good. Behind him, the shadow of whom has already killed. His voice was lying.

The world knows no flowers.


"The two red leaders meet, on behalf of humanity.

On the Celestial Land there is the voice of the one who loves the world and speak for the weak.

The little man uses force, he kills the spring [Prague]. And those who follow him always will.

We speak of false peace, but the weapons will always be hidden.

Men will fly in the sky, and men will get enthusiastic. They should tremble, because it is evil that conquered the skies to strike the earth.

God has fled, they say. God is dead. He hid himself in the heart of youth. And he will return to vanquish, when cities and lands will burn themselves, to give back value to life. It will come from the earth to destroy the concrete.

Israel who suffers and struggles, no less than that which gives you the attack and knows not how to share your pain. You are brothers, someone pushes you to fight by keeping hidden. Here the fate of the world is being decided.

And in the palace where the States embrace, the fugitive from the den is alive and well. From the palace, hatred for Israel. And it will be a sign of ruin.

Man who has climbed to the moon, look at yourself now that you possess it, but reflected in a mud that’s apparent.

Clashes between two youths. The silent one will defeat and time is on faith’s side.

Around the shuddering world, winds hot and cold, social storms. Blood under Luther, blood on the usurped Catholic land, in neighboring countries.


"Great Flash in the Orient. You will not hear the thunder, it too will be unexpected.
This will happen when in the Orient a leader will die and in the West, a leader will be killed. South of Luther.

Refuse the assassins who will turn themselves in, refuse those who will be presented. The murderers are in Europe. They want the Mediterranean Sea. Then there will be the murder with no assassin.

The time has nurtured a troubled spirit, in the shadow of the red and black cross, unbeknownst to all, daughter of the fugitives from Nuremberg.

She hatched the crime against herself. There are those who renounce life, for the love of evil.

The earth will approach a massacre. One will die for all and he was the best.

This is not the time for a king, it has never been.

Since Frederick's death, each king is an usurper. Let the king go, remains the people.

Europe is thirsty, she will get blood in the streets. But also large processions and the Virgin, happy, will come down to earth. You will not see her in the cave, but in a heart that will revive. From the darkness, she will bring the word that everyone will understand.

It is the letters’ time.


"Alexandria is the land of the Council of the world and here are gathering those who believe in man.

Christ is man because God. Getting ready for the great struggle of spirit against the one who denies it.

You, Marcus, you won’t be able to do anything from afar and you won’t know how to divide, your knife is light but too slender. The light from the peace meeting is reflected, recognizes it, shreds it to pieces.

Israel in these days finds a new land around the city with golden roofs. It is time to wash the blood of your children. Israel rushes into the city and saves it. Finally, the star has six points.

The lone man on the banks of the Neva speaks to the world and kills himself. God will have mercy on him, who created him for this moment. His words will be collected, they will be rosary.

And others near the Neva will kill. Today, intact out of the river, finally, the never found body of the holy monk. And his secret sons, praying in the sepulcher, will count themselves. They will look toward the city of golden roofs and their prophet, dead in the Neva, the final word on his lips, will be heard wherever the flag is red


"At the azure Orient, a new sun, on the antique and azure earth will be discovered the tomb of the first emperor chosen from the humble. Chants will rise and people celebrating, celebration of poverty and joy, will march to the slave lands to free them with love. On the river, many will die but the sentinels of a nearing Day will be eternal.

Man of Boston, nephew of the poet, thanks to you and your dream of derision, the terrible Weapon is harmless. And energy will heal ailments.

At night, the great removal. The two men who thought themselves masters of the world, brought before the tribunal on the largest square in the world, before men of the earth and pursued by those who have rebelled. Scientists condemned by them to slavery through their power, to put their talents at the service of death, will be the accusers.

Then will be the turn of the persecuted. Terrible will be the conviction and Man will find himself in the embrace between science and faith.

The proceedings of the trial will be the poem of the people, and the lyrics are sweet to the lowly, terrible for the arrogant powers.

The dispatched armies stopped at the boundaries of the square and the men-soldiers turned their weapons around. Weapons are defeated that day. Those of the earth, those of the sky.


"From the South against Luther and the heirs of Nuremberg, those who were missing, those who sat on the seat of the judges.

She, who was the slave colony of copper and salt, imposes her popular command.

And a saint arrives in the White City to tell high, to tell truth. Behind him, bare-chested, the humble who will bring justice to the land of Luther, yesterday torn.

The western lands that had rebelled, their men locked in concrete among the palm trees, had fought.

Luther had two leaders, enemies and divided. On the other side of the small river, the command of the people and the order to yield to the people who today have the power of speech, now that the weapons are dead.

Luther will experience struggles, reconciliations, and then one voice only, the highest, the one already uttered. And under the statue of the first sainte, the charter of love will be signed.

On the lakes, he who hates is waiting, wants to kill and dares not.

Today only ends Nuremberg.

But beware of the face that’s smiling, and comes from the South, further south than all. His heart was always in the North, he came back to take it back with the black brothers.

There is still fear, but in peace, all the men from upper and lower Luther will seek someone. And the day a woman will swear on the restored Bible will be day of peace.


"Luther's wife will be found in the livid dawn at the foot of the wall that divided Berlin.

Nobody knows how she arrived, no one will know how she was killed.

There will be signs on her body and he who will try to speak will be killed in turn, with the same signs.

When the world recognize this face, we say that her life was devoted to vice.
She had left office for the love of Christ, the humble. And instead she was killed by the defect.

Many countries will be shaken, people will revolt. And only one will succeed in speaking, just in time before dying. He will say the names of who killed, it will reveal their secret signs. And the world will rise up against the game of the powerful, secret fraternity of powerful, who prepared the enslavement of peoples.

The few honest leaders will come together, the culprits will be overthrown.

The woman who left the power for Christ will be sanctified. And to build her a monument, the wall will be shot down, united Europe to Europe.

How much blood to justice. But only blood can water the new flowers.
Peace to you, Patricia, daughter of God.


"Through seven, worldwide from Greece, after the vision. And the new words will conquer the earth.

Repeated by Christ. Repeated for his new children. This will be the moment of awakening and great songs.

Parchment rolls will be found in the Azores and talk about ancient civilizations that will teach men of ancient things unknown to them. Death will be distant and pain small.

Things of the earth, through the rolls, will speak of heavenly things to men.

Ever growing in numbers, signs. The lights in the sky will be red, blue, green, fast. They will increase.

Someone comes from afar, wants to meet men of the earth.

There has already been meetings. But who has really seen kept silent.

If a star goes out, it is already dead. But the light that approaches is someone who is dead and who is returning.

In the maps of the underground iron tunnel of Wherner, still secret, the answer, uncovered.

The time is not the one we know, we have brothers living, brothers dead.
We are ourselves, time troubles us.

Welcome Arthur, child of the past. You will be the proof. And you will meet the Father of the Mother.


"This is the time of the two emperors.

And the Mother does not have a Father, because many want to be her father. And two will be supported by the opponents.

The screams and the barriers of dispute arise, but already the Beast is getting out of the water.

And famine stop armies.

The men count themselves dying.

And after the famine,the plague.

God has unleashed the war of nature to prevent the war of men.

The first emperor dies of starvation, imprisoned in the tower of his dreams.

The second emperor in the desert, attacked by the animals of the plague, unknown.

The daughter of Cain has gone up North, to preach. Lust in the new Babylon, for seven years.

The seventh year falls the seventh veil of Salome, but there is no Emperor, there is no one that will lift the sword and cut the neck of John.

The time is near."


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Many of the above seem to overlap and are not necessarily in a time sequence, just in chapters' sequence in Pier Carpi's book.

In any case, interesting "visions" and views from a future pope.

[araucaria]

Oh dear, poor Greece!

[Chester]

and this thread is dying on page 33 perhaps?

[AnthonyBacala]

and this thread is dying on page 33 perhaps?

I am sorry for my lengthy post, Justone, as I did not mean for it to derail the purpose of this thread. Before it derails, we should all work to get it back on track, serving its original purpose and intent. I will refrain from posting unrelated material, in hopes that others will do the same. This thread, in particular, has great potential to work as a solutions thread. I do believe it is leading up to this.

[Chester]

and this thread is dying on page 33 perhaps?

I am sorry for my lengthy post, Justone, as I did not mean for it to derail the purpose of this thread. Before it derails, we should all work to get it back on track, serving its original purpose and intent. I will refrain from posting unrelated material, in hopes that others will do the same. This thread, in particular, has great potential to work as a solutions thread. I do believe it is leading up to this.

Ohhh man... no no no - was not meant at your post - it is just that in a way we ALL sort of drifted here - especially me.

I love your posts, Anthony, and loved that long Wizard of Oz post! haha.

I was reacting to this above...


"Twenty centuries plus the savior's age"(which many interpret as being 2033)


and one and two pages before -

Quote Posted by Rocky_Shorz -
synchronisity of 33

and


well I know it is a dirty word around here, but Charles talked about the 33 controllers planning on leaving in a triangular craft, now mentioned in this thread was a nuclear powered UFO...

Your Friend - Chester

And to keep it all in one post and bring it back to this thread... coming to terms with a "possibility" such that Bill put forth and knowing there is really not a darn thing I can do about it if indeed something like this turns out to be true and happens

...and then considering to myself, how shall I live out the rest of my limited days? How then shall I intervene or not in the lives of my sons... to make them aware of this possibility because I think that if they realize this may really happen, they might be able to make peace with themselves first (as I have now done) - and do I have that right to impose that on my sons (or anyone for that matter) - and is it for me to suggest someone else even needs to do that? Needs to know, even if I knew for certain 100% the sun was going to blow up (well, big burp at Earth)?

And my wife, my Colombiana... she is so happy in her world and has no clue of this possibility... I can't even bring myself to suggest it to her.

And so when I ask myself all these sorts of questions, I just move into that strange sense of singularity... a non dual reality... not even the observer - not even nothing...

and then something snaps me out of it - and though I have made such wise posts about transcending the us and them, I always get pulled back into the fray (always joining "us" of course! and always fighting against "them"!)

Which is right? Transcend? or Get Involved? Be a Zen Buddhist? or risk becoming a Drake?

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[ghostrider]

the meek shall inherit the earth. hmmmm?? somebody knew the end at the begining. hmmm ?? chance ? coincidence ? fate ? if you wrote of the history you lived and buried it on earth right now and someone dug it up 10,000 years from now , what would they believe ??? maybe calamity is why the ancients always carved their words on stone for long preservation ... no matter what unfolds someone will read this and maybe put the puzzle together again and again ..... I'm beging to think we should do this , for future generations. you know , the danger of giving away your power , polluting the earth, living out of balance with nature . etc. they will only know what we leave behind ... our history , right now, they will need it, maybe it will stop the cycle of madness and control , and war...... take your universal truth , carve it on a stone, bury it in your backyard, date it ,, I think it would be the greatest gift we could leave those who will follow us on the journey called EARTH..... one day WE will be the ancients.... long live avalon ! :wizard:

[goinghome2012]

Hi Bill,

I was wondering what your take is on princess Kaoru Nakamaru in general and her statement about elite trying to escape this planet in particular.

Here's the video again where she makes the statement (minute 1:30 - 2:30 is the relevant part).

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Is she just repeating mis/dis-information ?

I believe she is correct, three days of darkness or passing into the void to another dimension, the end of this Iron Age and the beginning of another Golden age that will last over two thousand years. A solar event will happen in order to bring in an enlightenment consciousness,

that is why the control freaks want to leave this planet, it is end game for them.

spread the peace and love

[steveofengland]

Whilst listening to BBC radio 2 today, there was a piece on Colin fishwick who has started "his own bank" and while everyone was congratulating him for getting one over on the big banks, they read out a press release from square mile magazine, which had its yearly bash for banksters.
It read.
"Despite the dismal financial outlook, Square Mile magazine held their annual Summer Party on Friday July 13 for 1,000 City bankers.

For over seven years Square Mile magazine has been the voice of the City; a luxury lifestyle magazine for finance professionals and an essential read for those working in and around the Square Mile.

Friday 13 saw over 1,000 finance professionals from banks such as UBS, Barclays and Citigroup descend on McQueen bar & club in the heart of Shoreditch for the annual Square Mile Summer Party.

Guests were entertained by the all-girl dance troupe, Girls Roc, fire-breathing strippers, snake dancers and sword swallowers.

The army of suited bankers were treated to free drinks laid on my Square Mile including bottles of Iceberg Vodka and Louis Roederer champagne.

A retreat was offered in the form of a chill out room sponsored by Small Luxury Hotels of the world with Ibiza Angels massage girls offering their service to tired bankers.

'We're known for throwing the most lavish parties for the banking industry' says Head of PR for Square Mile magazine 'and this year was no exception'.

The special guest of the evening was none other than ex-Goldman Sachs trader and star of the BBC's "Million Dollar Trader's", Anton Kreil. Anton, the star of the new issue of Square Mile magazine is set to become the first person in history to make a financial markets transaction from space, when he hops aboard the XCOR Lynx MKII shuttle with the Space Expedition Corporation (SXC) in 2014.

Arriving in a blacked out Mercedes with a team of astronauts in tow, Anton dressed in his flight suit and mirrored sunglasses was surrounded by photographers and adoring women before being briskly whisked inside to his VIP table by a member of the Square Mile team"

Telegraph source http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/citydiary/9405341/City-bankers-charmed-at-the-Square-Mile-scummer-party.html

Meanwhile they wheel out a banker of let's say older years, who condemns the whole thing, hmmm. But what struck me was a comment about Anton kreil's space claims.
Saying "I don't care if he's going to the moon, he shouldn't be acting like this"

Scripted carefully planned condemnation?

Then follows a song shortly after "one way ticket to the moon"

"One ex-Goldman Sachs trader is hoping his trade takes off, quite literally.
Prolific trader Anton Kreil announced Tuesday he plans to break a new financial frontier by becoming the first person to make a financial trade in space, according to a press release from space tourism company Space Expedition Corporation who'll operate the flight (h/t The New York Times).
Kreil, who by age 26 rose to Vice President of European Equities at JPMorgan Chase, told London-based publication Square Mile Magazine that he's aiming to set the record for "First Financial Transaction in Space” and “Highest Recorded Financial Transaction” at 1 kilometer above sea level, the internationally recognized border with space.
If he accomplishes his goal, Kreil may be the first to make money in space, but he wouldn't be the first to make money off it. Space tourism is such a booming industry that it even has its own index, NewSpace Global, according to CNBC. Expected to be a $1 billion industry over the next 10 years, notable businessmen such as Virgin’s Richard Branson and PayPal’s Elon Musk are developing space tourism companies. Ashton Kutcher is currently the 500th scheduled passenger to one day ride on Branson’s Virgin Galactic after buying a ticket for $200,000 earlier this year.
Other investors are looking to make money off space in a different way: Asteroid mining. Billionaires including Google’s Larry Page, Microsoft's Charles Simonyi, and Ross Perot Jr. are initial investors in a project to mine asteroids for precious minerals and water, according to Huliq.
Still, whether Kreil accomplishes his goal remains up in the air. Venture capitalist Alan Walton recently asked for a refund for his space flight ticket once he became too old to travel to space after waiting for seven years"

Source http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2012/07/10/anton-krell-trade-in-space_n_1662598.html?utm_hp_ref=business
The above article opens its very can of worms to sift through.

[observer]

Hi Bill, and a note to all members,

Forgive me if this point has already been expressed somewhere else within this thread. I simply don't have the time to review 33 pages of comments.

While reading your OP, I immediately flashed on the research of those like Dr. Joseph Farrell, Peter Levenda, Jim Marrs, and others whom you have interviewed in the past.

It was your interviews that led me to seek-out the work of, especially, those mentioned.

Anyone familiar with these individual's work on what the Nazis were up to, before, and during the Second World War will realize the physics those Nazi Scientists were working with was the basis for what the above mentioned authors refer to as a "break-away" society.

The very science that was foundational for this 'break-away' civilization to even be considered is well documented in the work of these researchers.

[Hawkwind]

I hadn’t been following this thread on a day to day basis after I made my initial post here on June 30th. It didn’t strike me as a direction I wanted my consciousness to go. For the most part, it still doesn’t, although quite a bit of quality food for thought did indeed arise over the course of this discussion. After Bill cited this as one of the two most worthwhile threads in the forum, I decided to give it another look. It took me a full week to wade through, as I could only digest the information a few pages at a time without going into irritated/headached overload mode. I finally managed to bring myself up to date today, and here are my comments and conclusions at this point in the journey.

From my perspective, “I think, therefore I am.” is pretty much the limit of what can be know with absolute certainty on a left brain intellectual logic level. That isn’t to say that scientific investigation of a subject is futile. The computer I’m using to compose this message and the internet which will carry it wouldn’t exist without the centuries long accumulation of scientific knowledge. When it comes to predicting the future of life on Earth, however, intellectual analysis alone falls far short of arriving at reliable conclusions. There are just too many unknowns in the equation.

What my intuitive right brain tells me is first and foremost relax, everything will be alright. You incarnated on this planet at this time for a reason. Part of that reason is to learn, and part of that learning is to cultivate a calm mind and a loving heart.

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So, are the elite planning to leave the planet? Dunno. Bon voyage, if they are. They may succeed in escaping solar flares, tsunamis and the like, but there’s no escaping karma, mates.

Is the Earth about to be sacrificed to the Dark Side? Dunno. Physical reality has been likened to a video game in several posts on this thread. I find that a very apropos analogy. “The Eternal Struggle Between Good and Evil” was the top rated game at Godicon Eternity, if I remember correctly. Of course, in order to make the game more interesting, each individuated soul forgets their true nature as an immortal being while playing. Also, to keep the game interesting, forces of good and evil are equally matched and have equal chance of acheiving their objectives. I’ve chosen to play on the side of Good/Light/Love/STO (whatever) this time around. Part of that entails exemplifying those values in my daily life. Part of it entails opposing the contrary forces to the best of my ability. I will eventually die one way or another. How I die doesn’t really much matter. How I live does. It seems to me those same principles apply to each of us individually and to the planet itself.

It has been suggested by several people whom I respect, including Bill, that fighting (presumably meaning the use of physical violence against) evil is counter-productive. Bill’s words were that it only creates more karma and keeps the game going. At least at this point in my development, I really don’t see it that way. If some of the cells of my body becoming cancerous, my fist course of action would be to try and restore them to a healthy state. Should that therapy fail, however, my next recourse would be to attempt to prevent the spread of the disease. If that too fails, isn’t surgically removing the cancerous tissue a karmically correct course of action?

[Bill Ryan]

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http://www.afterdisclosure.com/2011/04/breakaway.html


A Breakaway Civilization: What It Is, and What It Means for Us

A Special Analysis By Richard M. Dolan, April 2011
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Our Classified World

Since the time of Pericles, defenders of human freedom have promoted the virtues of open debate within society, and for the full freedom of citizens to investigate their government and world. Whether in a household, a classroom, or a nation, a free flow of critically examined and openly discussed ideas gives us our best chance for intellectual growth and personal achievement.

The legendary physicist, Robert J. Oppenheimer, put the matter succinctly. “There must be no barriers for freedom of inquiry,” wrote the man who led the Manhattan Project. “There is no place for dogma in science. The scientist is free, and must be free to ask any question, to doubt any assertion, to seek for any evidence, to correct any errors.”

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Oppenheimer, a man of conscience and intellect who straddled the worlds of free inquiry and national security, was in a good position to understand the deep meaning of his words.

And yet, despite the wonders of the Web, our world is not one in which free inquiry is the rule. It is a world in which our reality is polished and tinted on a daily basis by global power interests, and in which much of what really goes on is classified.

Consider. The Library of Congress adds roughly 60 million pages to its holdings each year, a huge cache of information for the public. However, also each year, the U.S. Government classifies nearly ten times that amount – an estimated 560 million pages (http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/DC-Decoder/2010/1221/WikiLeaks-trove-is-a-mere-drop-in-ocean-of-US-classified-documents) of documents. For scholars engaged in political, historical, scientific, or any other archival work, the grim reality is that most of their government’s activities are secret.

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What’s especially galling is that the nature of modern scientific and academic work enable such secrecy to thrive. This belies what they are supposed to do, at least according to the proponents of an open society.

One reason for this unhappy situation is simply how science operates. All scientific and academic inquiry is predicated upon being able to work from open and fully accessible sources. As Oppenheimer understood, scientific research must be available for examination by outsiders. The word for this is falsifiability. It’s an important concept in science. If you lack the chance to “falsify” a proposition – that is, to prove it wrong – then it’s not valid. It may in fact be true, but philosophically speaking, it’s not valid.

The enormous volume of classified material means that most of the activities of the U.S. government (and we can assume most other governments and major entities) are impossible to verify one way or another. Because nearly all scientists and academicians are confined to public sources for their research, we end up with a version of reality that excludes the world of secrecy.

Certainly, the track record of scientists and university scholars in the last century bears out the claim that they are ill-suited to exposing runaway secrecy. For they have done so little of it.

To be sure, journalists have fared better. But, really, not much better. These days, most journalists fit the same mold as their colleagues in the laboratories and ivory towers. They work for large organizations with a definite hierarchy, they are given narrowly defined guidelines within which to work, and they usually follow someone else’s agenda.

Those few who try to expose the world of secrecy face the problem of using sources that are not always open, not always falsifiable. That is, by using leaks, by corroborating multiple sources that may hint of something -- but do not always confirm. To say nothing of the professional pressures and even censure they often face for doing their work.

And that, my friends, is one reason why secrecy has always been, and will always continue to be, a prerogative of the powerful.

The Trail of Secrecy

The world of secrecy has run away from us, beyond the ability of free citizens to examine and critique. When we trace the evolution of this secrecy, we find it hard to pinpoint just when things turned south. This has been going on for a long time. Modern secrecy is a not-so-surprising outgrowth of our bureaucratic world, a development in all likelihood discussed a century ago by the great Max Weber (although I admit that my once-honed skills as a Weberian are a bit dulled nowadays, I suspect the Great One had a few things to say on this).

Still, there are certain moments that accelerated the process. When in doubt, always look to the wars. In the 20th century, the two world wars were obviously important in creating the massive state secrecy machines that envelop our world today. Enormous intelligence communities were created during those engagements, and once created, such things have a nasty habit of sticking around.

But students of secrecy frequently overlook one of the most important creators of our black-budget world. That is the UFO phenomenon.

Spend any amount of time on this issue, and the UFO-connection becomes self-evident. Imagine yourself as the American President following the Second World War. Your nation has just emerged victorious from the most titanic struggle in human history. Although you now lead the greatest military and economic power on the planet, the war has exhausted a world that desperately needs to repair itself and get on with the process of living.

In this context, you learn that there are “others” who are here. Others with capabilities vastly beyond anything your scientists can fathom. This is because, starting in the 1940s and continuing to our present day, U.S. and other military agencies have been tracking and attempting to intercept aerial objects of extraordinary capabilities and unknown origin. Moreover, in all likelihood, you learn something else: not only are “they” are here, but your military has recovered some of their technology. [Those wanting more information can review my two volumes of history (http://www.keyholepublishing.com/dolan.html), which document this story. For a short review of some key UFO documents, see here] (http://www.keyholepublishing.com/Leading-UFO-Documents.html).

Forget Orson Wells and the panic of 1938 – panic might well be happening among the intelligentsia that manage the country and the world.

What would you do?

Well, one thing you would not do is tell the world. You would need information first. Who are these beings? Do we have anything to worry about? What can we learn from their technology and science? How do we keep this from our enemies (e.g. the Soviet Union)? How bad might public panic be? All the logical questions.

You would organize your best people and have them create the groups and protocols to study and control this information. You might have them conduct a preliminary study to decide what the best course of action should be.

You also could not tell Congress, no matter how unconstitutional that might be. Plain and simple, Congress would not keep the secret. For the time being at any rate Congress must not know, so you would reason.

Still, if you want scientists to study the technology, if you want the loyal cooperation of key insiders to maintain the secret, if you want a permanent infrastructure to deal with the ongoing challenge posed by these other beings -- if you want all of these things and countless others associated with managing this problem -- then you would need money, ultimately a great deal of it. This would not be cheap, not at all. And the appropriations would have to remain secret.

Thus, the UFO phenomenon, which fell into the lap of the U.S. national security establishment right after the Second World War, was one of the key instigators of what we now call the black budget.

The black budget, however, turned out to be only the beginning of the secrecy problem.

What makes a civilization?

At heart and by training, I am a historian. Every so often, a particular question arises in my mind. While admittedly of limited practical value, and certainly not something that most professional historians write about, I find it intriguing to ponder.

What constitutes a distinct civilization?

Definitely one of the broader and more difficult questions. Still, I think that we basically have a feel for the matter. We know that colonial America was part of a different civilization from, say, that of 6th century Byzantium during the reign of Justinian. Or that we today, despite living in a world that owes much to the legacy of the western Europeans of the last few centuries, nevertheless live in a world that Voltaire could scarcely have dreamed of.

To answer the question, we need to consider several factors. Of obvious importance would be the level of science and types of technology it uses, how its members organize among themselves, the coherency and independence of its infrastructure. Then there is the life of the mind: how do the people tend to view themselves and their place in the cosmos? It seems to me that these questions give us a good start toward shedding light on the matter.

One of humanity’s great themes of the past five centuries is our ever-greater connectedness -- the slow but steady merging of civilizations. Globalization did not start with the Rockefellers, Rothschildes, Bilderberg Group, or Illuminati. It has been, first and foremost, an inexorable, unrelenting process of technology and economics; the politics are secondary. Since at least the voyages of Columbus and Magellan, it has been binding all of humanity together. Now, in an age of borderless electronic transactions, cellphones, Google, Skype, Facebook, and Youtube, this process – although not quite complete – has shifted into the highest gear.

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I would never presume, a la Toynbee, to list every distinct civilization that has appeared on Earth in the course of human history. For my purposes, I only ask this question:

Given that our world appears to be moving toward (an admittedly incomplete) merging of civilizations, is it possible that something might yet buck that trend? Moreover, that such a thing might happen secretly?

Before dismissing such speculation out of hand, consider that even within the past century, our world has seen examples of large infrastructures that were, if not wholly secret, at least fairly isolated from each other and highly secretive. Consider the example of the Cold War. While the U.S. and Soviet Union were not truly distinct civilizations, many people at the time did see it that way. The two societies had a high degree of autonomy from each other. The economic infrastructures were separate to a remarkable degree. Within the life of the mind, they inhabited separate worlds with incompatible ideologies. Secrecy from each other was the basic fact of life. Not only did U.S. and Soviet scientists hide their research from each other, but they sometimes followed entirely different paths, occasionally reaching absurd levels (as when Soviet biologists were forced to regurgitate the fraudulent science of Trofim Lysenko (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trofim_Lysenko)).

But forget the Cold War with its secret and divergent infrastructures. Today, the U.S. maintains a massive secrecy infrastructure, with untold billions (or trillions?) having been siphoned off into it, year after year. In other words, we know that the classified world has an astonishing amount of money and deep secrecy. There is no question of this. What we want to ask is: how advanced is their technology? What key breakthroughs might they have learned?

By way of illustration, I will relate something told to me by a scientist formerly with the National Security Agency. During a private conversation, he told me that at least some computers within the NSA were running at a clock speed of 650 MHz during the mid-1960s. Today, of course, that’s well below the speed of an entry-level PC desktop computer. Keep in mind, however, that this speed was not matched by the consumer market until around the year 2000, a difference of 35 years. Indeed, there were no consumer-market computers in 1965!

Also recall that in 1965, the NSA was only just barely being discussed by the public. Its very existence had been classified at its creation in 1952, and its name was mentioned for the first time, vaguely and in passing, in a 1957 government manual. Only in 1964 was it subject to (a very partial) discussion in a published book (http://www.naderlibrary.com/invisiblegov.toc.htm). In other words, the NSA had the most advanced computing capabilities in the world, and almost nobody in the world even knew it existed.

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Now ask yourself, given (a) great secrecy, (b) great amounts of money, (c) several decades, (d) enough genius-level scientists working for you, and (e) extraterrestrial or alien technology to study, is it possible for key breakthroughs to be made without the rest of the world ever learning of them? Breakthroughs so substantial that they create new areas of scientific study, new technologies, new capabilities, new interactions with these “others,” and as a result a radically new understanding of humanity itself and the cosmos within which we live?

Would such changes result in a clandestine world so different that it might qualify as a separate civilization? One that has broken away from our own?

I think the answer to that is yes.

How the classified world broke away

Let’s now return to UFOs, and build the most likely scenario based on what we know.

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One thing is for certain: some agency or group has been operating aerial vehicles that are well beyond the capabilities of any known aircraft. Military jets of the U.S. and other nations have chased them. They do not resemble known types of vehicles. They have sometimes invaded sensitive airspace.

Whether these UFOs are “ours” or “theirs,” it means that an advanced and secret infrastructure must exist in order to account for them, and advanced concepts in physics are being applied by someone.

In addition, there is a strong likelihood that several UFOs have been recovered by military units. This is based on several specific accounts (most famously Roswell but many others), as well as on unconfirmed (but plentiful) statements by military personnel who have quietly relayed their knowledge to researchers. These include descriptions of extraterrestrial bodies being examined, flying saucers being studied and replicated, and a wide range of space-based activity that points to a secret space program.

If, as I believe, some claims of recovered UFOs are true, it would mean there has been a program to study and replicate them. How could it be otherwise? No agency with a crashed or otherwise downed UFO would simply sit on its hands for sixty years, looking at it.

No, it would do everything possible to understand it, no matter how far beyond current science it might be. The group that controlled it would keep it secret at all cost, beneath many layers of deception and deniability. That much is clear. But what would happen next?

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At some point, we must assume, breakthroughs of understanding would occur, even if the alien artifacts could not be duplicated. Buried within the protection of a largely privatized national security structure, who can really trace definitively the stories behind some of the key patents of the Cold War? I think a number of developments relating to solid-state electronics, fiber optics, and other useful technologies could well have been inspired by studying exotic freebees.

Such breakthroughs mean attractive ground floor investments, handsome profits, and less-than-zero motivation for revealing the “goose that lays golden eggs.” But let us take the scenario even further. What if even greater breakthroughs of understanding were achieved? A better source of energy, a functioning electro-gravitic propulsion system, or a biotechnology that eliminates certain diseases?

I have no doubt that breakthroughs of that sort would be blocked from reaching the outside world. A new source of energy, especially if it were “free” or nearly so, would demolish the petroleum industry, while certain biotech developments would threaten Big Pharma. These are two of the largest industries in the world.

Major breakthroughs would also threaten to destabilize society and challenge the structure of power. Cheap and portable energy, as implied by flying saucers, would revolutionize our world so completely that no one can truly fathom what the world would look like once it became available. The same can be said for technologies that might enable people to live for 150 years or longer.

But just because certain discoveries and inventions would be kept secret, study on them would not cease. We have seen that by the mid-1960s, the highly secretive NSA had amazingly advanced computing technology for its time; is it possible that breakthroughs in field propulsion were made by the 1960s if not earlier? Such have been the claims of several leaks and rumors over the years. If so, then we would conceivably have had a small flying saucer fleet at some point thereafter.

With a secret fleet of vehicles utilizing field propulsion and able to explore beyond Earth’s orbit, it is easy to see how the cadre of people involved in such a program would develop new vistas of experience and imagination.

Such a group would continue to be funded secretly and covertly by a combination of public and private funds. In effect, it would constitute an invisible empire, with technology superior to the rest of the world, able to explore areas of our world unavailable to the rest of us. It would probably have a significant built infrastructure, possibly underground and “off the grid” in important ways. It might even have interactions or encounters with non-human intelligences behind the UFO phenomenon. Most certainly it would be concerned somehow with managing the problem of “others” here on Planet Earth. All of the above would indicate that the group members would have deeper scientific and cosmological insights.

Yes, this might qualify them as a separate, “breakaway,” civilization.

Such a group would have great independence from the established system of power and control, although I would doubt its members would live in a completely separate environment all the time, like some Alternative 3 scenario. Most likely they would need to work in “our” world, if for no other reason than that Earth is where the action is. They would probably move back and forth between the realities of their deeply classified world and the official reality that the rest of us inhabit. Undoubtedly not an easy life.

What are they doing? What is the end game?

Americans of my generation and earlier were taught that they lived in a free country. We elected our leaders, and if they didn’t please us, we could vote them out and elect someone else. Government was responsible to the people. Secrets and crimes occurred, of course, but as long as the system worked, the wrongdoers could be exposed and brought to justice.

Most people now recognize this belief for the idealized fantasy that it is. One of the key components of a free society is freedom of information, and to a large extent that system within the U.S. has broken down. In my own research and meanderings down the road of secrecy, I have come across a few names that inhabit this deeply clandestine world. One of them, in my opinion at least, ought to be famous by virtue of his career, which was at the highest levels of NORAD. By rights, several other names I have encountered should also be famous. Who knows, perhaps one day they will be. But today, none of them yield a single hit on any web search. As far as anyone would know, they simply don’t exist.

Of course, that’s an old story for those who work in the cloak and dagger world of intelligence, but I think it is especially true for members of the breakaway civilization. Learning about them and their world, therefore, is likely never going to happen until the truth about UFO reality is itself exposed – which it will be one day (http://www.keyholepublishing.com/AD.html) – and relevant information is forced out by public action. Meanwhile, I speculate about the lives lived by members of this world.

Ask yourself, if it were learned that multiple groups of “others” were here who possessed extraordinary capabilities, had a deep understanding of our world, and were driven by as-yet unknown or unconfirmed agendas, how would the classified world respond?

What follows derives from a combination of logic and confidential conversations I have had in the course of my journeys into this field, as well as discussions with a few other researchers who are also uncovering the same general scenario. Quietly, we are doing what we can to help each other and learn more about all this.

I believe that members of the breakaway civilization are recruited from the militaries of several nations. It appears that the U.S. Navy is a key provider of personnel. But wherever they come from, they work under deep cover, below many layers of deniability. Those of them who have families give no hint to their spouses and children what they really do, which is to monitor and somehow deal with the presence of these other beings. Obviously, these people are lifers. Even after they retire, they are never truly out.

Their interests include not simply advanced propulsion and weaponry, although these are important. My best guess is that other areas include several that are off-limits to respectable science: psi enhancement, memory management, and space-time management. It seems to me that at least some people who are said to be “military abductees” have been taken and used in this manner – but clearly not by the standard military branches. No, this is an operation courtesy of our “breakaway” group, which works with military cover. Such actions are necessary from their point of view, as they know that these “others” operate in a way that can affect space-time reality. They might therefore decide that they need their own cadre to “see” and affect things across space and time.

The breakaway civilization is probably not unified. Certainly, rivalries and competition abound within the U.S. and global intelligence scene. It is probably no different here, and there is no reason to suppose that the original incarnation of “MJ-12” is the only game in town. Within the sprawling U.S. intelligence structure are many opportunities for rogue, or at least divergent, groups. I believe this applies to the breakaway civilization, and the logic is certainly there. The prize, after all, is substantial: knowledge of the most advanced technologies and scientific concepts imaginable. The same diversity, incidentally, seems to apply to the “others.” These beings may not all cooperate with each other, but whether or not there are active hostilities among them I have no idea.

My supposition is based on a combination of the known facts and the additional scraps that have reached me. If I am right, then a web of attitudes and alliances exists behind the scenes. In such a situation, having an accurate scorecard would be quite valuable. Still, I must emphasize I cannot prove this scenario at the present time. I consider it a working theory.

I should think that members of the breakaway civilization might despair of ever educating the rest of humanity on what is going on. Their own reality is probably so far beyond our own, they may rightfully ask, how can they bring us up to speed without causing a worldwide psychological meltdown?

But as I have felt for some time, neither they nor the “others” are the only game in town. The great variable in the secrecy equation is ourselves. That is, the mainstream human civilization that is currently undergoing the most radical transformation in its history. In a mere century we have gone from a society of horses pulling carts to one of advanced computing and space travel. As I have stated in a number of lectures, most experts in the field of artificial intelligence believe we are a mere generation away from the day when your computer will be talking to you, claiming to be a conscious entity. You may well accept that claim. Then there is the future of nanotech, biotech, and quantum computing. Just as Voltaire would not recognize our world today, we can scarcely imagine the world that will exist a mere half-century from now.

Unless it falls off the rails, this train has an inevitable destination: one in which we prove openly and for certain that the UFO phenomenon is real and that there are other intelligences involved in it.

Nothing worth achieving is ever easy. Yet, one day, humanity will pry open its prison door. That will be a joyous day, but also bittersweet -- for we will realize that the struggle for truth has not ended. New truths will need to be fought for and won. It is the price we must inevitably pay for having lived so long beneath the heavy burden of such pervasive falsehoods.

Only then will we begin the long process of reintegrating all of humanity into the light of day. And only then -- finally then -- can we fully rise to the challenges posed, for better or for worse, by these other beings.

[Carmody]

how can they bring us up to speed without causing a worldwide psychological meltdown?

It is also the absolute and all encompassing, life encompassing all facet encompassing level of anger, hatred and total disgust, backed by a desire to be extremely physical in a response to such hidden empires.

The level of loss and shifted life felt by every human being who comes into such a scenario of knowing.... is on a such a level that the person who encounters it cannot even hope to understand the sheer level and scope of the anger directed toward this hidden group.

Think of it, nearly 7 billion people in a mood and space where.. when it dawns on them, the true understanding of scope of this fraud .....and how much it has turned their lives from where it could have been... the level of anger and loss they will feel will be totally outside of anyone's capacity to comprehend.

THAT, more than anything, is the problem that has been built into this insanity of suppression and secrecy. That is what it has brought us to, the edge of that kind of precipice.

[Rocky_Shorz]

so does anyone think, the controllers, the 33 are actually part of the break away group and this is when they are leaving, what would it mean, if suddenly the 1% just flew off, not because anything is going to happen, they are just tired of taking all the blame...

what they leave behind is ours...

what would that mean, how quick could we fill their void?

[Carmody]

Let me clarify. I have a friend named Paul. One day, Paul received a call to go down to the place where his wife worked..a store that serves the public.

An ex-employee had decided to stage a robbery.

when Paul got there, he was greeted by the sight of identifying his wife's body, the mother of his two young children. She had been stabbed in the upper chest, at least 23 times.

Paul lost it. He started screaming, nearly foaming at the mouth, smashing stuff, nearly breaking his own limbs, in his pain and loss that he could not deal with. he could not cognate what had happened and he could not deal with it. He finally had to be subdued, he was injuring himself.

He never fully recovered, one might say, and the entire course of his life was shifted from that point on.

Once most people come to an understanding of what has been done to their life's path, by this suppression, their emotional state should exceed Paul's state (at that time in his life) by a very wide margin.

Everything you COULD HAVE BEEN, including the entire shape of all things and facets of the world.....was murdered, before it was born.

Are you starting to see the problem now?

Once cognated, this suppression... once cognated as a real thing..this understanding and feeling of loss...will be in almost every breath you take, for the rest of your life.

[Rocky_Shorz]

wow, that's pretty heavy...

never happen because we are all given only what we can handle, and some more than most... ;)

as for him, he learned a very important lesson, and most likely cared more for his wife from that point forward than ever before...


you could always try what I did when I had a friend that couldn't get over an event...

without letting them know it is coming, smack em on the forehead with an open hand...

when you help them up off the floor, let him know he's been "Heeled"

some people hear healed, which makes them feel better instantly... ;)


I'm glad this hung at the top for a bit, because if SHTF, leaders are those who can draw the best from those stuck in a moment...

the power of the heel of the hand to a forehead is an unknown mystery, but it works, and no, I don't really mean to knock someone over, just a gentle SMACK to snap them back to the moment...


Carmody you are a bud, and quiet leader...



this is part of being prepared...

[observer]

Click-on forwarding arrow to see content of Bill Ryan's comment #658.

Yes, of course, Bill.

I failed to mention Richard Dolan in my comment #656. Thank you for pointing that out.

Here's a link to even further confirmation of a 'Break-Away Civilization' from Dr. Joseph Ferrell's book, "Reich of the Black Sun", Chapter 15 - "THE PHOENIX RISES: THE BORMANN PLAN":

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/reichblacksun/chapter15.htm

As one can see this Break-Away Civilization has its roots all the way back into the New World Order of the Third Reich.

It is also necessary to note that the very same banking cartel which financed the Nazis into power were those who continue to control the world economies, to this very day, and are the primary force behind this alleged Break-Away Civilization.

I'm convinced everything we see on the public forum is simply smoke-and-mirrors to conceal the real agenda - simply more hyperbola for the Hegelian Dialectic.

[Hawkwind]

Once cognated, this suppression... once cognated as a real thing..this understanding and feeling of loss...will be in almost every breath you take, for the rest of your life.

Carmody, haven't most of us on this forum already experienced this moment in one way or another and to one degree or another?

[SKIBADABOMSKI]

If I was an elderly person or someone who lived alone and I had studied this and had come to the conclusion that time was short I'd go and venture to the wonderful places this planet has to offer and spend spend spend.. enjoy life and stop reading more into it. You know your jumping into one of those spirals. It spins and it's full of many mysteries and you can be played into a set mind.
You could end up donating all your money to charities or worthwhile causes or something you believe in. Be careful with stuff like this. You need reassuring of your faith in humanity.

I know it's a fascinating study. But please be your own judge and think about leaving the computer alone for a week or so. I am only reminding you that you yourself sometimes need to be reminded of the beauty of this world.

It's not all doom and gloom.

Ski-

[Gemini]

Regarding secret technology, from http://grasptheuniverse.com/ufo-2/ufos-are-here-lost-1977-documentary/


UFOs Are Here ! – Lost 1977 Documentary

Featuring: Steven Spielberg, Stan Deyo, Jacques Vallee, Prof. Allen Hynek, Stanton Friedman, Margaret Mead, Ken Arnold, Betty Hill, Rev. William Gill, Klaus Nobel, RAAF Sqdn Ldr White, Ray Palmer and Colin Cameron. This amazing UFO documentary film was produced in 1977. It was way ahead of its time. Sadly, the master copies of this film and the two which followed it have been lost to the ravages of time.

Only one VHS copy of it survived; so Channel 9 gave us permission to convert it to digital video in an effort to preserve it as an archive for the use of posterity. This film inspired Stan Deyo to write "The Cosmic Conspiracy" book which is the sequel to the shows. The man-made, flying saucer programs are exposed in the book and the film.



http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4182905293548090350&hl=en

The really interesting part here is from about 59 mins onward. It's an interview with a research physicist -- Stan Deyo, then unknown -- who worked for the FBI on a highly classified project (anti-gravity etc.) during the 1960s.

[TraineeHuman]

On the question of who else other than Yeshua “Jesus” may be a composite of, I don’t know if anybody is familiar with the writings of Rabbi ben Hillel. He was the High Priest (of the Scribes or Sadduccees) and wrote down his primary teaching around 100 or 90 BC. According to a lecture I heard from the Dean of Divinity at Harvard in the late seventies, those writings include everything in the Beatitudes (all the “Blessed are...” material word-for-word, minus some mistranslations, and more, and “Turn the other cheek... “ and so on). In the same lecture that Dean asserted that in the world of Christian theology the unearthing of ben Hillel’s teachings had been the most accurate and incontrovertible piece of scholarship in the history of Christian theology. It was the result of intensive research by mostly Lutheran theologians mostly during the 1960s.

Interestingly, ben Hillel’s grandson was the High Priest (of the Scribes) at the time Jesus was supposedly teaching. That means a significant and central part of what both were teaching was the same.

In one of his books – the products of three decades of full-time research and privileged access to historical records – Tony Bushby claims the Council of Nicea, in 325-326 AD, debated whether Yeshua and his brother Judas were actually two people or one. And that they decided to combine them into one person as a result of a vote, which was decided by the narrowest of margins. I find it hard to understand how anybody who is truly clairvoyant hasn’t come across Judas in the afterlife. He seems, in my experience, to be altogether a greater god than Yeshua is in the afterlife worlds.

In Tony Bushby’s book The Bible Fraud, he explains how Judas, though Yeshua’s twin brother, was a political revolutionary even if he was also a kind of Rasputin-like spiritual master. He also explains how they were Tiberius’ eldest sons. The Roman penalty for being a revolutionary was crucifixion. However, the Emperor’s eldest son could have somebody else secretly crucified in his place, provided he got sold into slavery. Is anybody familiar with the two books of Hindu scripture about “Issa Kristus”? Issa Kristus rose from being a slave in Kashmir to being Kashmir’s greatest saint. He performed many miracles, and lived to 190. The king of Kashmir was his patron in the first century, and his tomb is on the edge of the Kashmiri palace grounds. The kings of Kashmir have meticulously preserved all the details of his history in Kashmir, continuously from that day to this. Incidentally, Judas would not have been able to use his real first name because of the Roman death sentence. Also, the word “Christ”, or “Kristus” in Latin, simply meant the leader of a Jewish sect. And Judas had been head of the Essenes before Yeshua took over.

Also, anybody familiar with the childhood and birth of Krishna will notice that the childhood and birth of “Jesus” is a word-for-word copy, with changes to the names and places and dates.

[Brizil]

Nothing worth achieving is ever easy. Yet, one day, humanity will pry open its prison door. That will be a joyous day, but also bittersweet -- for we will realize that the struggle for truth has not ended. New truths will need to be fought for and won. It is the price we must inevitably pay for having lived so long beneath the heavy burden of such pervasive falsehoods.

Only then will we begin the long process of reintegrating all of humanity into the light of day. And only then -- finally then -- can we fully rise to the challenges posed, for better or for worse, by these other beings.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/exclusive-prosecutors-regulators-close-making-153410438.html:




Prosecutors and European regulators are close to arresting individual traders and charging them with colluding to manipulate global benchmark interest rates, according to people familiar with a sweeping investigation into the rigging scandal.

The link above is from Reuters. The first mainstream media outlet discussing arrests.

[Hervé]

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http://www.afterdisclosure.com/2011/04/breakaway.html


A Breakaway Civilization: What It Is, and What It Means for Us

A Special Analysis By Richard M. Dolan, April 2011
http://www.brycezabel.com/.a/6a00d83451c49869e201538e28e75f970b-150wi

[...]

Darn exceptional piece by Richard Dolan, thanks Bill!

To add to the mix of the different competing factions is the use by all and any of them of "compartmentalization."

That is, the right brain manages for the left hand not to know where the research subject is coming from nor to what end and the right hand has no clue as to what the left brain was thinking about when inducing the foraging around those other subjects.

To even further confuse the issues, each of these department/compartment uses its own level of controlled leaking as well as disinfo/misinfo... so that in order to reconstruct a "big picture" from these bits and pieces one has to be either lucky or of a level of understanding and discernment so far above the disinformers that it is mind boggling. Somehow, Richard Dolan achieved that.

[bluestflame]

ok a heads up , denver airport , colorado mass shooting ,

likely increased security and very visual security forces in numbers

it's rumoured there's entrance to a system of underground tunnels in denver airport that leads to the DUMBs

could it be that it's hinting at a mobilisation of the elite with "tickets" to the underground bunkers and the event is to give good cause to have a state of lockdown, security checkpoints etc so the elite can be ushered through safely

the whole widely circulated reports of mass arrests of the elite sorta don't gel with me and could be an ideal way to provide a smokescreen to explain the absence of high profile individuals

when a mainstream media outlet reports on missing trillions of dollars and financial nefarious dealings is brought to light

think they didn't see the inevitibility of this coming out in the open ?

already sabotaged the oceans , meanwhile monsanto has been busy sabotaging the food supply on the mainland

and the water , solar flares increasing , in intensity and frequency , electricity grid vulnerable

nuclear power plants , electricity pumps water to cool

households water pressure is created by electric pumps (unless it is gravity fed)

petro fuel needs pumps to get it out of ground , or into tankers to transport

food delivered to supermarkets needs fuel

communications , and how many people are addicted to tv , internat , can't do without thier cell pphone ?

[AnthonyBacala]

Saw this preview today. What are they trying to tell you?

JwfCRAtkYEI

This new series, Revolution, asks the question, "What would the world be like 15 years after all the power (globally) went out?"
.
J.J. Abrams discussing the premise of the show.

P_gRQaecCuI

I find it funny that this is almost a last minute warning to everyone to expect an event to occur. For those who can see past the surface, there may be much more to this show than meets the eye.

[ThePythonicCow]

I know it's a fascinating study. But please be your own judge and think about leaving the computer alone for a week or so. I am only reminding you that you yourself sometimes need to be reminded of the beauty of this world.

It's not all doom and gloom.

Ski-
I am not here for the beauty. I am here for the understanding (the best of which has its own beauty.)

[SKIBADABOMSKI]

Understanding is also a fascinating way of eliminating fear. But being told you are being manipulated "is" manipulation in itself.

[observer]

Understanding is also a fascinating way of eliminating fear. But being told you are being manipulated "is" manipulation in itself.


:offtopic:

SKI,

I step off-topic only to respond to your above statement.

Any discerning member, active on this forum, who does not understand that the entire Mass of Humanity is being manipulated, has totally missed the point of participating on this website.

I draw your attention to this short 4 min.: 32 sec. clip that clearly defines the foundations of the current situation:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FPAQlbmlSc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FPAQlbmlSc

The reason most of us joined this forum was to either present, or discern evidence that leads to this very fundamental conclusion.... or as you say, "understanding".

Understanding the point about being manipulated is foundational to plotting a exit strategy from this matrix of manipulation.

One must be willing to follow all the evidence in order to reach any comprehensive understanding.


:focus:

[Brizil]

Nothing worth achieving is ever easy. Yet, one day, humanity will pry open its prison door. That will be a joyous day, but also bittersweet -- for we will realize that the struggle for truth has not ended. New truths will need to be fought for and won. It is the price we must inevitably pay for having lived so long beneath the heavy burden of such pervasive falsehoods.

Only then will we begin the long process of reintegrating all of humanity into the light of day. And only then -- finally then -- can we fully rise to the challenges posed, for better or for worse, by these other beings.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/exclusive-prosecutors-regulators-close-making-153410438.html:




Prosecutors and European regulators are close to arresting individual traders and charging them with colluding to manipulate global benchmark interest rates, according to people familiar with a sweeping investigation into the rigging scandal.

The link above is from Reuters. The first mainstream media outlet discussing arrests.

A fake Libor rate, the scandal involving global benchmark interest rates that has raised the level of distrust in major banks and markets, is nothing compared to the damage that could be done if China's true economic growth figures were revealed, according to Larry McDonald's newsletter.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/lying-libor-nothing-compared-chinas-061447499.html

"Is Chinese GDP the new Libor?" asked McDonald, author of "A Colossal Failure of Common Sense: The Inside Story of the Collapse of Lehman Brothers," in a much talked about note to clients last week. "More and more investors are starting to question the Chinese math on GDP."

[Carmody]

Click-on forwarding arrow to see content of Bill Ryan's comment #658.

Yes, of course, Bill.

I failed to mention Richard Dolan in my comment #656. Thank you for pointing that out.

Here's a link to even further confirmation of a 'Break-Away Civilization' from Dr. Joseph Ferrell's book, "Reich of the Black Sun", Chapter 15 - "THE PHOENIX RISES: THE BORMANN PLAN":

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/reichblacksun/chapter15.htm

As one can see this Break-Away Civilization has its roots all the way back into the New World Order of the Third Reich.

It is also necessary to note that the very same banking cartel which financed the Nazis into power were those who continue to control the world economies, to this very day, and are the primary force behind this alleged Break-Away Civilization.

I'm convinced everything we see on the public forum is simply smoke-and-mirrors to conceal the real agenda - simply more hyperbola for the Hegelian Dialectic.

I've read all of that series of books by Joseph,and they do indeed spell a complex but convincing bit of a story. For those who have not read any of his works, the detail in the books, the back-stories, origins, sources, etc...is exemplary.

His latest in this series, one that ties it all together, is (have I listed this on the forum somewhere already?):

Saucers, Swastikas and Psyops: A History of A Breakaway Civilization: Hidden Aerospace Technologies and Psychological Operations (http://gizadeathstar.com/purchase/)

Oxford-educated historian Farrell continues his best-selling book series on suppressed technology, Nazi survival and the postwar psyops with his new book Saucers, Swastikas and Psyops. Farrell discusses SS Commando Otto Skorzeny; George Adamski; the alleged Hannebu and Vril craft of the Third Reich; The Strange Case of Dr. Hermann Oberth; Nazis in the US and their connections to "UFO contactees;” The Memes-an idea or behavior spread from person to person within a culture-are Implants; Adamski's ET Message: The Danger of Weaponized Gravity; and tons more. What do the following things have in common: George Adamski, Fascists, Nazi scientists, American engineers, the CIA, the Wall Street Morgan interests, I.G. Farben, ITT, SS Commando Otto Skorzeny, the post-war Nazi International, American Intelligence and the Mafia Drug Lords? Answer: they are all components of a "breakaway civilization” seeking to protect its control over advanced technologies and to project itself into outer space while waging a covert war here on earth with the same advanced technologies-and the rest of humanity be damned. Join internationally-known researcher Joseph P. Farrell in this next chapter in his expose of secret Nazi wartime and postwar research that he began in The SS Brotherhood of the Bell and Nazi International.

The problem for most folks, is that the understanding of these sorts of technologies is simply not there, so they are having to deal with the core points in an abstract way. Ie, that magic and science in this case, are both so far away in capacity to reach..that they both look like some form of near magic.

The idea that only aliens would be responsible for such things and that humans could not do so on their own..originally..is not there.

Which is emphatically.... NOT TRUE.

i have a friend I work with, invention wise. He's got a few more years on me, so every now and then, I get some sage advice. One point is that he tells me to be careful what I share, even within the scope of what is possible or that something CAN be done. That people, once aware of even a possibility..once aware... they very likely WILL find a solution, answer, or they will find and follow the same logic path that I may have committed to. And they WILL get there. This, in his experience as an inventor, and a historian.

One must preface this entire subject, with at least a 6000 year deep hidden history of alchemy, which includes some VERY potent aspects of extreme human development, in the sense of intelligence and capacity. this includes hardware, ie physical devices. They don't need to be complex in execution (parts counts, parts types, and materials), as different designs of pyramids excel at showing that 'simple' works very very well, thank you very much. It is the idea and execution that is behind or within the given device...that is what is critical.


To conclude, in a bit of a jump, logically..I'm telling you right now, that I do NOT need alien technology to create all the speculated hardware, meta-materials, alloys, crystals, over-unity, room temperature superconductors, yellowbook, looking glass, anti-gravity (seemingly), and so on.

However, at this time, it is practically a death sentence to make any attempt in these areas. See Wade Frazier's thread for details. All the technology is HERE, NOW..in the public domain and of course, in the fringe science (and mainstream!) literature and sum total group.....but not allowed into the public arena as any sort of a finished item.

It is unassembled, but ....all the parts are on the table.

Enough clues are lying about that an intelligent person can now move into all these areas.

This, within written text that exists in the world today, and.... if intelligence and discernment is applied.

I don't think I'm unique, either. I think that more and more folks are getting there, each day.

Just the other day, I saw some of the key points for the creation of room temperature superconductors..finally 'hit the streets' as it where, regarding published articles in 'cutting edge' research. They don't know that the key points are in the work they've produced and brought forth..but it is explicitly right there in front of them..they just have to make the leap.

The reason I can say this, is that the answer is simple and universal. All of that stuff comes into existence in one or two simple ideas as expression into what matter/space/time are... and how they can be manipulated or shifted. That's it.

[Carmody]

Once cognated, this suppression... once cognated as a real thing..this understanding and feeling of loss...will be in almost every breath you take, for the rest of your life.

Carmody, haven't most of us on this forum already experienced this moment in one way or another and to one degree or another?

That may be true, but we've got another 7 billion to go. However, when young and growing into it, this problem does not apply. thus the number is lower, like...3 billion, maybe. the problem attached to that, is the shift point of getting there, and the responsibility required to handle the knowing..and the capacity to 'build' or 'make', as it where. This, as it is a coin, with two sides, all this hidden technology. One side is fantastical and uplifting. The other side is a case of near utter destruction.

It is also a problem of abstract vs linear thinking and how those aspects combine and project into the world, in the given individual.

This breakdown of the psyche from new data 'in reality', due to a large change in a short time..this is the danger zone, in both the individual and the collective.

Look at the forum, for example. All the factious aspects of religion, second sight, (overall psychic directions and it's protrusion into 'reality'), other beings, and so on. Mix that psychology with high technology and you've got a quite messy recipe for just about any direction you could imagine.

[Andrew]

When you breakaway from a group, it doesn't take long to forget about the other.

[SKIBADABOMSKI]

The reason people find it so hard to be happy is that they always see the past better than it was. the present worse than it is and the future less resolved than it will be.

There really is no reason for quoting me or sending me videos that would be more suitable for 'lets state the obvious week'

Anyway I don't want to go down this road, I won't post on this thread again and I certainly don't want to derail the last train to trancentral.

All is well

SKi

[K626]

The reason people find it so hard to be happy is that they always see the past better than it was. the present worse than it is and the future less resolved than it will be.

There really is no reason for quoting me or sending me videos that would be more suitable for 'lets state the obvious week'

Anyway I don't want to go down this road, I won't post on this thread again and I certainly don't want to derail the last train to trancentral.

All is well

SKi

Thanks for your thoughs Ski.

Personally I try and BE rather than grasp at the illusion. :)

love

K

[vortexpoint]

I noticed a few days ago an upcoming scifi film from the director/writer of District 9 Neill Blomkamp called "Elysium", which has a plot that reminds me of this Thread.


In the year 2159 two classes of people exist: the very wealthy who live on a pristine man-made space station called Elysium, and the rest, who live on an overpopulated, ruined Earth. Secretary Rhodes, a government official, will stop at nothing to enforce anti-immigration laws and preserve the luxurious lifestyle of the citizens of Elysium. That doesn't stop the people of Earth from trying to get in, by any means they can. When unlucky Max is backed into a corner, he agrees to take on a daunting mission that if successful will not only save his life, but could bring equality to these polarized worlds.

Source: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1535108/

So this is a story where the Earth is ruined and the elite has moved off-planet. Where do they get these ideas? :rolleyes:

Trailer:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-cYgf6WyGA

Ps. Maybe it's far fetched but this photo in the imdb reminds me of chemtrails :p

http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMjM5MTAzMzg1OV5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwOTk2ODAxOA@@._V1._SY317_CR131,0,214,317_.jpg

[Operator]

I noticed a few days ago an upcoming scifi film from the director/writer of District 9 Neill Blomkamp called "Elysium", which has a plot that reminds me of this Thread.


In the year 2159 two classes of people exist: the very wealthy who live on a pristine man-made space station called Elysium, and the rest, who live on an overpopulated, ruined Earth. Secretary Rhodes, a government official, will stop at nothing to enforce anti-immigration laws and preserve the luxurious lifestyle of the citizens of Elysium. That doesn't stop the people of Earth from trying to get in, by any means they can. When unlucky Max is backed into a corner, he agrees to take on a daunting mission that if successful will not only save his life, but could bring equality to these polarized worlds.

Source: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1535108/


I always wonder ... if these guys are in the know then why make a movie that will come out in the theaters on march 1, 2013 if it is
also expected that by that time the earth changes are full blown happening ?

Just an observation.

[vortexpoint]

I noticed a few days ago an upcoming scifi film from the director/writer of District 9 Neill Blomkamp called "Elysium", which has a plot that reminds me of this Thread.


In the year 2159 two classes of people exist: the very wealthy who live on a pristine man-made space station called Elysium, and the rest, who live on an overpopulated, ruined Earth. Secretary Rhodes, a government official, will stop at nothing to enforce anti-immigration laws and preserve the luxurious lifestyle of the citizens of Elysium. That doesn't stop the people of Earth from trying to get in, by any means they can. When unlucky Max is backed into a corner, he agrees to take on a daunting mission that if successful will not only save his life, but could bring equality to these polarized worlds.

Source: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1535108/


I always wonder ... if these guys are in the know then why make a movie that will come out in the theaters on march 1, 2013 if it is
also expected that by that time the earth changes are full blown happening ?

Just an observation.


There's different levels of "in the know". Some may know just general agendas while somebody else knows something more specific. There are probably a lot of plans but in the end of the day, no one really knows what will happen since there are too many variables and too much uncertainty.

[Carmody]

Click-on forwarding arrow to see content of Bill Ryan's comment #658.

Yes, of course, Bill.

I failed to mention Richard Dolan in my comment #656. Thank you for pointing that out.

Here's a link to even further confirmation of a 'Break-Away Civilization' from Dr. Joseph Ferrell's book, "Reich of the Black Sun", Chapter 15 - "THE PHOENIX RISES: THE BORMANN PLAN":

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/reichblacksun/chapter15.htm

As one can see this Break-Away Civilization has its roots all the way back into the New World Order of the Third Reich.

It is also necessary to note that the very same banking cartel which financed the Nazis into power were those who continue to control the world economies, to this very day, and are the primary force behind this alleged Break-Away Civilization.

I'm convinced everything we see on the public forum is simply smoke-and-mirrors to conceal the real agenda - simply more hyperbola for the Hegelian Dialectic.

I've read all of that series of books by Joseph,and they do indeed spell a complex but convincing bit of a story. For those who have not read any of his works, the detail in the books, the back-stories, origins, sources, etc...is exemplary.

His latest in this series, one that ties it all together, is (have I listed this on the forum somewhere already?):

Saucers, Swastikas and Psyops: A History of A Breakaway Civilization: Hidden Aerospace Technologies and Psychological Operations (http://gizadeathstar.com/purchase/)

Oxford-educated historian Farrell continues his best-selling book series on suppressed technology, Nazi survival and the postwar psyops with his new book Saucers, Swastikas and Psyops. Farrell discusses SS Commando Otto Skorzeny; George Adamski; the alleged Hannebu and Vril craft of the Third Reich; The Strange Case of Dr. Hermann Oberth; Nazis in the US and their connections to "UFO contactees;” The Memes-an idea or behavior spread from person to person within a culture-are Implants; Adamski's ET Message: The Danger of Weaponized Gravity; and tons more. What do the following things have in common: George Adamski, Fascists, Nazi scientists, American engineers, the CIA, the Wall Street Morgan interests, I.G. Farben, ITT, SS Commando Otto Skorzeny, the post-war Nazi International, American Intelligence and the Mafia Drug Lords? Answer: they are all components of a "breakaway civilization” seeking to protect its control over advanced technologies and to project itself into outer space while waging a covert war here on earth with the same advanced technologies-and the rest of humanity be damned. Join internationally-known researcher Joseph P. Farrell in this next chapter in his expose of secret Nazi wartime and postwar research that he began in The SS Brotherhood of the Bell and Nazi International.

The problem for most folks, is that the understanding of these sorts of technologies is simply not there, so they are having to deal with the core points in an abstract way. Ie, that magic and science in this case, are both so far away in capacity to reach..that they both look like some form of near magic.

The idea that only aliens would be responsible for such things and that humans could not do so on their own..originally..is not there.

Which is emphatically.... NOT TRUE.

i have a friend I work with, invention wise. He's got a few more years on me, so every now and then, I get some sage advice. One point is that he tells me to be careful what I share, even within the scope of what is possible or that something CAN be done. That people, once aware of even a possibility..once aware... they very likely WILL find a solution, answer, or they will find and follow the same logic path that I may have committed to. And they WILL get there. This, in his experience as an inventor, and a historian.

One must preface this entire subject, with at least a 6000 year deep hidden history of alchemy, which includes some VERY potent aspects of extreme human development, in the sense of intelligence and capacity. this includes hardware, ie physical devices. They don't need to be complex in execution (parts counts, parts types, and materials), as different designs of pyramids excel at showing that 'simple' works very very well, thank you very much. It is the idea and execution that is behind or within the given device...that is what is critical.


To conclude, in a bit of a jump, logically..I'm telling you right now, that I do NOT need alien technology to create all the speculated hardware, meta-materials, alloys, crystals, over-unity, room temperature superconductors, yellowbook, looking glass, anti-gravity (seemingly), and so on.

However, at this time, it is practically a death sentence to make any attempt in these areas. See Wade Frazier's thread for details. All the technology is HERE, NOW..in the public domain and of course, in the fringe science (and mainstream!) literature and sum total group.....but not allowed into the public arena as any sort of a finished item.

It is unassembled, but ....all the parts are on the table.

Enough clues are lying about that an intelligent person can now move into all these areas.

This, within written text that exists in the world today, and.... if intelligence and discernment is applied.

I don't think I'm unique, either. I think that more and more folks are getting there, each day.

Just the other day, I saw some of the key points for the creation of room temperature superconductors..finally 'hit the streets' as it where, regarding published articles in 'cutting edge' research. They don't know that the key points are in the work they've produced and brought forth..but it is explicitly right there in front of them..they just have to make the leap.

The reason I can say this, is that the answer is simple and universal. All of that stuff comes into existence in one or two simple ideas as expression into what matter/space/time are... and how they can be manipulated or shifted. That's it.

Scientifically, mathematically..where the 'break' happened:

From Tom Bearden's website.

Heaviside's Mutilation of Maxwell's Theory
Well after Maxwell's death, Oliver Heaviside helped to finalize what is today vector analysis.
Then he undertook to "translate" Maxwell's theory from quaternion form to the new vector mathematics form.
Now quaternions were devilishly difficult to calculate in. So much so, that a majority of the electrical scientists (there were not very many of them in those days!) were in despair.
Not to worry! Heaviside took a broadax, figuratively speaking, and simply chopped off the scalar term, leaving only the vector components.
With that artifice, he greatly simplified the calculations to be performed.
Of course, he also threw away the EM stress of spacetime! That is, he threw away the "gravitation" part of Maxwell's theory!
Let me stress this fact most strongly. After Maxwell's death a single man - Oliver Heaviside - directly altered Maxwell's equations, eliminating localized electrogravitation and producing the form of the theory taught throughout the West today as "Maxwell's theory."
Maxwell's theory has never been taught in Western universities! Only Heaviside's crippled subset of the theory has been taught!

.. .. .. ..

Therefore in our mathematical theory we ought to have a scalar component remaining when two EM vectors interact to form an EM vector zero resultant. That scalar component represents what is happening in the 5-potential, that will only bleed into 3-gravity.
With exploration of this phenomenology in the laboratory, one can work out the functions, constants, coefficients, and parameters which specify how the "5-G to 3-G and vice versa" component works in conjunction with mass, motion, and other fields.

That's the magic secret of electrogravitation.

It was captured inherently by the quaternion theory of Maxwell published during the American Civil War!
After Maxwell's death, when the scalar portion of the quaternion was discarded (by Oliver Heaviside) to form "modern" EM theory, that also discarded the unified field interaction between electromagnetics and gravitation.

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(Note that there were reports of fantastical flying machines near/after the time of the Civil War in the USA.)
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Thus, a little over a decade later when Einstein wrote his general relativity theory , he did not know that the original work of Maxwell already indicated the unification of gravitation and electromagnetics, and indicated the ease with which local spacetime could be electrogravitationally curved locally and engineered.
Accordingly, he placed the scientists of the West on a road which rigorously assumed that a unified field theory was yet to be discovered. It also strongly discouraged any experimentation aimed at curving local spacetime, for it assumed that such could not be done.

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(Einstein is said to have gone to the USSR in 1927, at a mathematical conference, and introduced a finished, engineerable..unified field theory.)
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After Potsdam and World War II, a frustrated Stalin was to drive his scientists to review the entire scientific literature of the Western world, actively seeking a great new technical breakthrough area such as the Allies had demonstrated with the development and use of the atomic bomb.
Great Soviet institutes - one staffed, for example, with over 2,000 PhD's - were set up to thoroughly review all the Western scientific literature from its very beginning. Anything interesting, anomalous, or unknown was put aside for further examination.
It is a good bet that the meticulous Soviet scientists discovered the difference between Maxwell's original electromagnetic theory and Heaviside's mutilation of it. Great mathematicians that they are, Soviet scientists would have realized the implications of the difference. With their knowledge of unlimited general relativity, they would have made the connection to electrogravitation.
By 1950 they had indeed done so, and were deeply into the development of what they called "energetics", and I have called scalar electromagnetics.

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I've said before, that to my investigations in the early 1990's..the full original works of Maxwell..where available..for a princely fee of at least $5000...IF..you could find a seller. That's how difficult it was to find these original unedited works (Maxwell's ORIGINAL first publication).
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Further reading and full mathematical extrapolations.

http://www.cheniere.org/books/aids/ch4.htm#Heaviside%27s%20Mutilation%20of%20Maxwell%27s%20Theory

[Hervé]

To complement Carmody's post above, something I originally posted here: Tesla-Maxwell-JP Morgan and the suppression of free energy. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?25102-For-an-idea-on-the-big-picture&p=266051&viewfull=1#post266051)



A short background tapestry by Tom Bearden on the scheme of the “big” picture:



[...]

Tesla’s backer was J. P. Morgan, who also became involved with Edison, consolidating with an Edison company to form General Electric. Rockefeller was moving in the fuel area, such as oil.

Morgan saw that, if Tesla had his way, suddenly much of Morgan’s emerging empire would be devastated, because the fool Tesla was speaking of eliminating burning of fuel.


[...]


The followings are excerpts from Tom Bearden letters to various publications, notably the “Energy daily”:

Dear Energy Daily,

I don’t see anything of real interest in your publication; just the standard stuff. You don’t really have a single writer who understands the cause of the world energy crisis, what really caused it in 1892, and what to do about it. And you are probably not going to have such a writer.

Put it this way. We’ve had group theory in our universities since 1870. One who gets a doctorate in physics will know some group theory, whereas our electrical engineers normally will not, even with a doctorate. Ugh! So what has group theory (and lack of knowledge of it by our electrical power engineers) got to do with the world energy crisis? The answer is, “Everything!”

Maxwell’s theory is a higher group theory electrodynamics. It was never adopted in the universities, because folks at the time hated those bloody quaternions with a passion, even though Maxwell loved them. Why -- electricians would say -- the poor electricians are lucky if they have had university algebra and calculus, without such a horrendous mess as quaternions! Since there were less than three dozen “electricians” (what we would call “electrodynamicists”) in the world’s universities at the time, then that attitude and reception doomed Maxwell’s actual theory – which is some 20 quaternion and quaternion-like equations in 20 unknowns. You can do LOTS of things in Maxwell’s original theory that are absolutely impossible in the highly curtailed electrical engineering model.

Maxwell died of stomach cancer in 1879, with his theory never adopted. Immediately some scientists jumped in and tore those terrible quaternions apart – notably Heaviside (brilliant, but never even attended university; he merely bought books and learned himself), Hertz, and Gibbs.

When what is today known as “electrical engineering” was then first being painfully contrived and formed there in the 1880s etc., and was not yet even born, they took Heaviside’s highly restricted vector equations (NOT Maxwell’s quaternion theory) as the basis for the new “electrical engineering” model.

Note that, at the time, Tesla destroyed the vast DC electric power empire being promoted by Edison backed by J. P. Morgan. Backed by Westinghouse, Tesla waltzed in and installed far more practical AC generators at Niagara Falls, much cheaper than Morgan and Edison proposed for their DC generators, and the world found that AC power could be transmitted down long transmissions lines very practically. One did not have to build a huge expensive DC power plant every 10 to 20 miles! Thereafter the world flipped over and went with AC power.

So that buried Morgan’s grandiose plans for a vast DC power financial empire. An embittered Morgan vowed to utterly destroy Tesla as his mortal enemy. That he did, and he also financially destroyed Westinghouse, Tesla’s backer. At that point he had set the trap for Tesla. To complete his grandiose plans, Tesla had only J. P. Morgan available to finance him. So Tesla came with hat in hand to Morgan, and the wily Morgan forced him to sign over 51% of all his inventions, in return for financing him. And he deliberately only gave Tesla half the money required, which doomed Tesla to failure because of he simply ran out of funds. Tesla – the greatest inventor of the 18th and 19th centuries – was then reduced to living in a little hotel room essentially on charity of his friends etc.

Before the full transpiration of all that, other factors developed behind the scenes. That fool Tesla (who gave us AC power, the rotating magnetic field that makes generators possible, and also gave us radio and many other things) had discovered that the “medium itself was active” – and he was hell-bent on producing free energy systems and giving them to the world. So in Morgan’s view, Tesla had to be stopped at any cost. J. P. Morgan set up the plan that did destroy Tesla, and he directed his science advisors to also examine those newfangled Heaviside equations and see if they still contained any of those confounded “energy freely from the active medium” systems that Tesla was pursuing so vigorously and planned to freely give to the world.

Morgan’s science advisors did a simple group theoretical analysis of the Heaviside vector equations, and it showed that the Heaviside original equations still contained some of those asymmetric Maxwellian EM systems – the kind that Tesla had discovered that would accept and use excess EM energy freely taken from the active vacuum (in modern physics terms) itself.

So Morgan coldly ordered his scientists to “Fix it!”

Lorentz – a great scientist but also a sharpie noted for appropriating other people’s work and taking credit for it – was the one preparing the equations to be used as the theoretical model for the new “electrical engineering” that was to be launched in the universities slowly but uniformly. To see that Lorentz was “approachable”, the reader is referred to J. D. Jackson and L. B. Okun, "Historical roots of gauge invariance," Reviews of Modern Physics, Vol. 73, July 2001, p. 663-680. Okun and the great electrodynamicist Jackson discuss the roots and history of gauge invariance, verify that Ludwig Lorenz (without the “t”) first symmetrically regauged Maxwell's equations, although it has been misattributed to H. A. Lorentz (with the “t”) as being first. Lorentz simply took Lorenz’s symmetrization of the equations and used it and took credit for it. This is an excellent coverage of the history of who did what and when, and who got credit for it.

So Morgan’s science advisors got to Lorentz, and he easily “solved Morgan’s problem”. He simply regauged the original Heaviside equations to make them symmetrical (using Lorenz’s symmetrization but using the work as his own), thereby quite arbitrarily tossing out all self-powering and COP>1.0 energy-from-the-vacuum electrical systems from the modified (symmetrized) Heaviside equations. He did this little beauty in 1892; specific reference can be furnished.

[…]

Then Morgan got another shock. That fool Heaviside (who was one of the two men who first advanced the flow of energy through space -- before that time it did not appear in the notions of physics) also discovered that every generator and other EM power source already pours out from its terminals, into space surrounding and along the external conductors, a fantastically huge stream of real EM energy in peculiar form – in a curled form which (in any special relativity situation) cannot be diverged into the wires to power up the electrons. This is in addition to the feeble little Poynting component which does get diverged into the wiring and does power up the circuit.

Well, again Morgan fumed furiously. If our future young EE’s in all our universities were to be taught that every generator already pours out more than a trillion times as much EM energy flow as the mechanical energy we pay to crank into the shaft and input, then eventually one of those sharp young devils would figure out how to use some of that vast energy flow output (simply use a general relativity situation, such as the NRAM or negative resonance absorption of the medium optical physics process that outputs 18 times as much as the Poynting EM energy flow component of one’s input). And that would destroy any further need for fuel etc. except for a tiny tad just to get started. And that would have destroyed the energy barons of the early 20th century, including Morgan himself.

To see that Tesla knew exactly what he was after, we quote Tesla himself:
"Ere many generations pass, our machinery will be driven by a power obtainable at any point in the universe. This idea is not novel... We find it in the delightful myth of Antheus, who derives power from the earth; we find it among the subtle speculations of one of your splendid mathematicians... Throughout space there is energy. Is this energy static or kinetic? If static our hopes are in vain; if kinetic – and this we know it is, for certain – then it is a mere question of time when men will succeed in attaching their machinery to the very wheelwork of nature." [Nikola Tesla, in a speech in New York to the American Institute of Electrical Engineers, 1891.].

“Electric power is everywhere present in unlimited quantities and can drive the world's machinery without the need of coal, oil, gas, or any other of the common fuels."

“We have to evolve means for obtaining energy from stores which are forever inexhaustible, to perfect methods which do not imply consumption and waste of any material whatever. I now feel sure that the realization of that idea is not far off. ...the possibilities of the development I refer to, namely, that of the operation of engines on any point of the earth by the energy of the medium...” [Nikola Tesla, during an address in 1897 commemorating his installation of generators at Niagara Falls.].

"Whatever our resources of primary energy may be in the future, we must, to be rational, obtain it without consumption of any material." [Nikola Tesla, 1900].

After Tesla’s suppression, he expressed the truth about the universal electrical engineering model in these words:
"The Hertz wave theory of wireless transmission may be kept up for a while, but I do not hesitate to say that in a short time it will be recognized as one of the most remarkable and inexplicable aberrations of the scientific mind which has ever been recorded in history." [Nikola Tesla, "The True Wireless,” Electrical Experimenter, May 1919.]

[…]

So again they got to Lorentz and had him “fix” it. In 1900 he taught the professors to arbitrarily integrate the entire energy flow vector itself (containing both the Poynting diverged component and the giant curled Heaviside component) around a closed surface assumed around any volume of interest. That very neatly separates and retains the diverged Poynting component, while discarding the giant curled Heaviside component. Lorentz also taught them that this component could “have no physical significance”, which is still the view today. E.g., quoting J. D. Jackson:

"...the Poynting vector is arbitrary to the extent that the curl of any vector field can be added to it. Such an added term can, however, have no physical consequences. Hence it is customary to make the specific choice …" [J. D. Jackson, Classical Electrodynamics, Second Edition, Wiley, 1975, p. 237].

[…]

This second “fix” by Lorentz then finished Morgan’s suppression of the “new electrical engineering science” so that it would not contain asymmetrical Maxwellian systems nor would it contain Heaviside’s giant curled EM energy flow component.

With these changes, Morgan (using Lorentz’s services) deliberately crippled electrical engineering and electrical power systems for more than 100 years, and guaranteed that COP>1.0 and self-powering Maxwellian systems – permitted by nature and Maxwell’s original theory – would not be built by our electrical power engineers.

[…]

And that cute little integration trick got added into EE also, so that all mention of the giant Heaviside curled energy flow component just disappeared from all textbooks, curricula, etc.

With the suppression of Tesla and the suppression of all “energy from the active spatial medium” systems from the Heaviside-Lorentz equations, Morgan’s suppression of those threats was complete.

[xbusymom]

the meek shall inherit the earth. hmmmm?? somebody knew the end at the begining. hmmm ?? chance ? coincidence ? fate ? if you wrote of the history you lived and buried it on earth right now and someone dug it up 10,000 years from now , what would they believe ??? maybe calamity is why the ancients always carved their words on stone for long preservation ... no matter what unfolds someone will read this and maybe put the puzzle together again and again ..... I'm beging to think we should do this , for future generations. you know , the danger of giving away your power , polluting the earth, living out of balance with nature . etc. they will only know what we leave behind ... our history , right now, they will need it, maybe it will stop the cycle of madness and control , and war...... take your universal truth , carve it on a stone, bury it in your backyard, date it ,, I think it would be the greatest gift we could leave those who will follow us on the journey called EARTH..... one day WE will be the ancients.... long live avalon ! :wizard:

maybe that is what the georgia guidestones are... just a way to set words of wisdom in stone for prosperity ... ???

[Flash]

Yes, when the general public will understand all that we have been deprived of, all the inventions that would have made this wonderful planet a paradise for all, all the misery and death that would have been avoided throughout, the unecessary wars and killing and the gigantesque psychopathic greed that made us slaves, yes, and the created lack of potential to become gods, for the good of all, they may lose their mind for the tremendous losses of opportunities to be living long lifes amongst the stars and on earth as a paradise.

Thank you Carmody and Amer Zo for your posts, they are succinctely explained and understandable.

[xbusymom]

Once cognated, this suppression... once cognated as a real thing..this understanding and feeling of loss...will be in almost every breath you take, for the rest of your life.

Carmody, haven't most of us on this forum already experienced this moment in one way or another and to one degree or another?

yes, but what is the percentage of us versus the rest of the world?

the other factor about what each of us can handle?? what we handle well depends on what we choose to handle well... and regrettably - from what i have seen- most of the general population chooses to believe in the programmed response of becoming co-dependant crybabies who need someone else to save them. and once we realize that everyone else is copping to the same song and dance (nobody wants to put themselves out on the front lines to be the hero) we are gonna have a lot of people with mental and emotional meltdowns loose on the streets.

[Bill Ryan]

Regarding secret technology, from http://grasptheuniverse.com/ufo-2/ufos-are-here-lost-1977-documentary/


UFOs Are Here ! – Lost 1977 Documentary

Featuring: Steven Spielberg, Stan Deyo, Jacques Vallee, Prof. Allen Hynek, Stanton Friedman, Margaret Mead, Ken Arnold, Betty Hill, Rev. William Gill, Klaus Nobel, RAAF Sqdn Ldr White, Ray Palmer and Colin Cameron. This amazing UFO documentary film was produced in 1977. It was way ahead of its time. Sadly, the master copies of this film and the two which followed it have been lost to the ravages of time.

Only one VHS copy of it survived; so Channel 9 gave us permission to convert it to digital video in an effort to preserve it as an archive for the use of posterity. This film inspired Stan Deyo to write "The Cosmic Conspiracy" book which is the sequel to the shows. The man-made, flying saucer programs are exposed in the book and the film.



http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4182905293548090350&hl=en

The really interesting part here is from about 59 mins onward. It's an interview with a research physicist -- Stan Deyo, then unknown -- who worked on a highly classified project (anti-gravity etc.) during the 1960s.

Bumping this -- in particular the 1977 interview with a young Stan Deyo. Must see: it begins pretty much at the 59 minute mark.

I was completely transfixed. I'd never heard of this interview before -- it's very important indeed, and I'll be listening to it several times.

[Flash]

Another one of Stan Deyo


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8222679614108378695

[Ilie Pandia]

I cannot agree with Stan Deyo that the problem is "how to announce it" :)

In my view the problem is that once it gets out the power structure would collapse. Once any form of Free Energy becomes publicly available it is impossible to enslave anyone any longer. The mental games and reasoning that the the petroleum and connected industries would collapse is completely irrelevant. The proper use of Free Energy could easily handle that! Here is a job to fill the time of those in the petroleum industry: how about cleaning the planet of all the pollution that combustion has caused?! There are plenty of things to do besides working in a big petroleum company! But that is not the issue! Loosing control, profit and power over others is the issue. Not the care for the welfare of the poor employees or the economy...

And an imposed one world government is not the solution either. In my opinion, if we will ever unite as a people in a meaningful way, it will come from our hearts and from our understanding of reality, and not from fear of an external threat. There is no value in unity through fear.

Stan Deyo's arguments provide a good mental device that can be used by those working for "the black hats" to think that they are in fact working for the "white hats but it's not the proper time yet to let the people know...".

And to tie this into the opening post. Most likely some of the tech that Stan mentions can be used (and will be used) to shield equipment and people from any potential Solar problems. And if shielding is out of the questions, of course they can always leave the planet. Nobody seems to care about the employees or the economy now...

[Hervé]

I cannot agree with Stan Deyo that the problem is "how to announce it" :)

In my view the problem is that once it gets out the power structure would collapse. Once any form of Free Energy becomes publicly available it is impossible to enslave anyone any longer. The mental games and reasoning that the the petroleum and connected industries would collapse is completely irrelevant.

[...]

Interesting... because it all depends on what are the different factions' positions...

When one considers the length to which J.P. Morgan and "illuminati" went to suppressed Maxwell's and Tesla's discoveries (see post # 685 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46887-From-Bill-Ryan-the-Ultimate-Hypothesis&p=526359&viewfull=1#post526359) above); then the "how to announce it" must take care of the "illuminati" birds with their "one stone" throw... along with the other factions which have slavery as their standard of living.

So, from "any color of hat" perspective, all bases must be covered before an annoucement can be made.

My impression is that all these different factions are clashing in trying to cover "their bases" for their respective announcement, Vatican included.

[Referee]

28th Century this is the time line you are looking for. No WW3. No major disasters. Get over here now and help us sort through the mess. If they are correct we should have had severall problems already. I send this post out as a marker on a good timeline ready for action.

Kevin

[David Topí]

Here is a job to fill the time of those in the petroleum industry: how about cleaning the planet of all the pollution that combustion has caused?!



About cleaning the planet, it seems it is doing it by itself already. Have you guys noticed the incredible increase in the amount of earthquakes, hurricanes, terrible weather patterns, storms, sinkholes, volcanoes eruptions, etc, in the last year or two? Well, it is just astonishing to observe how much the Earth is upside down, pretty much like looking forward to produce a full clean house by itself, and pretty soon.

[Sirius White]

Various of the Elite (similar to Tsarions idea) are actually not what we think they are. They are not Steve Jobs of the world, Bill Gates (although yes, at that level you are directly connected). They are highly psychic, highly intelligent, very resourceful and indoctrinated bunch of people. Of which there is more than one group.

One of them in particular, has extended family. This family is stuck on this rock with us....and has been contending with other ET races, as many of the higher up humans are loyal to those who live here with us. Yes, some of them look nordic, and some of them appear to be of Saurian and snake like. This particular clan, of whom was loyal to a God that was known in Sumer, among the Assyrians as well, and is affiliated with the ancient brother hood of the snake. They have been using human survival instincts, dynamics, and quickly adapting nature to rebuild what they lost in various of the catastrophes of the past. This includes technologies and knowledge. While they have some, they are missing a great deal- and cannot contend with those who Outcast them, nor with many other races who are visiting us. Many of them were also not of the scientist nature, and since the old days when they interbred with the human beings, they were called the "fallen." Some of them...were quite nice, and enlightened (the father of the nefarious one in question). Others, not so much, in-fighting and wars happened through the use of human beings. In the end, a small group of them, and their human/hybrid offspring have been working in secret to organize human beings, keep knowledge out of their hands, and extracting knowledge from them based on their discoveries and talent for quick evolution. Their goal is to get off......and to use human beings, if they can, as their vehicle. This place has just been a temporary stay for them, and the human beings who knowingly, and most unknowingly do their work.

They are not the only ones of course, but they've been here. And they've been ensuring that commerce and trade goes with other races, who are mostly just interested in our resources. They are not allowed to force themselves in this sector of galaxy- so once they get our approval from our own kind they trade freely. There is huge trading programs already, and the beings from elsewhere do not care. Many of them are pressed themselves- and it's a survival game, especially to races who made similar mistakes to ourselves (exploitation of others and resources).

Many of them are interdimensional....and the oversee our progress. We are a treasure to some of them (even though they may look at us like pets), and to others we are disgusting and deserve our fate for doing this to our own planet. The enlightened ones stay away for fear of war and to not intervene on our behalf, so they often help us via more inner methods. Teachings, inner intuition, guides, etc.

Anyways....I agree they have that stored in plan Bill. I'm not sure if it's gonna turn out that way for them.

The interview with dutch is great. Thank you

[Carmody]

The most interesting part of all, is one does not need to know the mathematical aspects, in order to manipulate space-time, to obtain 'classic electrical' energies.

One simply has to know that this deeper layer exists, and then begin designing devices and materials that are 'off balance' (In standard EE terms) in their expression and design. That's it.

The problem in visualization, and thinking..is that 'solids', as frozen lattice structures, can only create and deal with 'transverse' electrical fields. This is the actual core reason behind lead and lag in inductive and capacitive field expression. It is the literal electron orbital conjunctive aspects in a frozen or lattice structure solid. Polarized entry and exit from the given atomic structures, and the resultant lead and lag,as the atomic structures are a vibrating or spinning vortex in-vortex out..of balanced energies, of 2d fields in oscillation and combination.

in a plasma, we get both transverse wave and longitudinal waves. Longitudinal waves are non-Hertzian, one might say. A uniform overall pressure change, one might say.

since we are trying to extract a differential from one medium to another....we must keep in mind that the expression of what we desire is not inherently within the confined lattice structure (solids), with respect to egress of energies to and from that solid. this, due to the polarized entry and exit of energies in that solid. BUT..the energies we desire to integrate with are inherently in the plasma, which has the added expression of overall uniform pressure waves, the longitudinal waves, or it also has scalar function and energies.

With regard to solids, this occurs at the atomic boundary, and is tied to optics, ie the prismatic rainbow effect is a evidential trail of this boundary layer issue (atomic scale). Recall that in optics, the wave is unperturbed in the vacuum..and unperturbed in the glass....all the action happens at the boundary.

So, to use solids to work upon a plasma function, is a bit of a problem as we are trying to access the complex function via the very thing that confines them and blocks them out, regarding flow.

When we build asymmetrical mechanical 'lattice structure polarized solid' extraction systems..THEN we get a working over unity system or 'scalar plasma field integration- electrical extraction system'.

This goes directly back to the point expressed that Heaviside, Lorenz and Lorentz removed the asymmetrical aspects from Maxwell's working model.

Thus the door.... to gating such energies into a traditional form of electrical expression, is asymmetrical gating/design of solids.

After reading the above about Maxwell and then 'interviewing/reviewing' or looking at all claims of the energies of the the universe being gated by devices.... is this now, slowly becoming .....entirely obvious?

[Mandala]

A year or so ago in one of our Project Avalon threads, I remember a post a member made where George Lucas and Stephen Spielberg and Seth Rogan were discussing future plans for movies. Lucas said what does it matter, we won't be around then anyway, and preceded to tell Rogan for 20-25 minutes what he thought was going to happen. Later the Lucas agent said he was kidding.


"Star Wars" creator George Lucas really, truly believes the world will end in 2012 -- according to "Green Hornet" star Seth Rogen.

Rogen told the Toronto Sun he recently met with Lucas and Steven Spielberg, and "George Lucas sits down and seriously proceeds to talk for around 25 minutes about how he thinks the world is gonna end in the year 2012, like, for real. He thinks it."

The next logical question to ask Lucas would of course be whether he had a getaway spaceship. Luckily, Rogen was on top of it.

"He claimed he didn’t have a spaceship," Rogen continued, "but there’s no doubt there’s a Millennium Falcon in a garage somewhere with a pilot just waiting to go. It’s gonna be him and Steven Spielberg and I’ll be blown up like the rest of us."

However, Lucas has since claimed it was all a joke.

A rep from Lucasfilm told Wired.com, "George ... was not serious when he talked about the end of the world in 2012 but he is an adamant believer that the world is flat, that Stonehenge was built by aliens, and that the sun revolves around the Earth. These are among the many subjects he commonly discusses at length with Elvis, who he’s going to digitally insert into Indy 5 along with a roster of famous dead actors."

Either Lucas wants to keep his conspiracy theories under wraps, or Rogen was a little high for that meeting.

http://www.sodahead.com/entertainment/george-lucas-reportedly-believes-the-world-will-end-in-2012-do-you/question-1459971/?page=2

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The Lucasfilm people make it very ludicrous and therefore; no one takes what he said seriously. Those two directors have had insider training along the way.

[xbusymom]

Here is a job to fill the time of those in the petroleum industry: how about cleaning the planet of all the pollution that combustion has caused?!



About cleaning the planet, it seems it is doing it by itself already. Have you guys noticed the incredible increase in the amount of earthquakes, hurricanes, terrible weather patterns, storms, sinkholes, volcanoes eruptions, etc, in the last year or two? Well, it is just astonishing to observe how much the Earth is upside down, pretty much like looking forward to produce a full clean house by itself, and pretty soon.

I don't think those symptoms are of the earth cleansing itself... How can you be sure all the earthquakes (and etc.) isn't from excessive oil drilling, fracking for natural gas cultivation, excavation for multiple secret underground facilities, possible HAARP weather weapons for crop control, ...

[papperkash]

Kerry Cassidy over at Project Camelot, is reporting that an object the size of the moon (a piloted object) is on it's way to earth, that whistleblowers have already been silenced, and that she has apparently recieved several confirmations.

See here...---> http://projectcamelotportal.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=31&Itemid=218

I suspect that her sources are misleading her, perhaps to discredit her work. It all sounds quite impossible.

Having said that, I never say never.

2012 was always going to be a year for big events:
1. Speculation is rampant regarding what will unfold at this years olympics, Cliff High believes that they have to use this time to enact a ritual as the powers that be, are desperate. (http://halfpasthuman.com/aug12.html) Cliff claims, that without the ritual they would loose more power.
2. Rik Clay and Ian Crane believe that the powers that be are planning to stage an alien event.

For those two reasons combined, the timing of Kerry's claim is very interesting.

Bill, please start doing some video updates, it would be good to see you. :) If you agree click "Thanks"
xx

[Rocky_Shorz]

I'm curious, if you zoom way in on this, you'll see a light object traveling from left to right, but what are those round objects it passes just hanging there, not moving towards the top right corner? The breakoff temporary housing?

http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/data/LATEST/current_c2small.gif

http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov//data/REPROCESSING/Completed/2012/c2/20120722/20120722_2312_c2_512.jpg

[Ilie Pandia]

I've pulled this quote from Kerry's blog:


Hi ______9:15 AM Mountain time, _______ and I were in the kitchen and we both noticed, the SUN momentarily blacked out as if something the size of the moon momentarily flew in-front of it. IT blacked out for about 100 milliseconds. I went outside to listen for any jets or check for clouds, there were no jet sounds, no clouds, perfectly deep blue sky, something we haven't had in many months.

1. There are thousands, if not millions of amateur astronomers. They are bound to notice any objects the side of the moon entering our solar system. There is no way to suppress this!

2. Sun blacked out for 100 milliseconds. That is 1/10th of a second. The average length of a blink of eye is 100-400 ms, so this alleged accuracy alone raises a lot of red flags. I could blink and black out the Sun for 100 milliseconds...

3. If an object the size of the Moon would pass through our system that fast that would blackout the Sun for 100 ms it would cause havoc on our Planet!

Given the 3 points above I cannot accept that quote as being true. It has way too many scientific problems, and frankly I'm surprised Kerry would post this on her blog.

PS: A correction, tracking objects at the edge of our solar system may be too far for the amateur astronomers, but they would definitely notice objects in Earth's orbit or close enough to block out the Sun.

[Rocky_Shorz]

wow just saw this post, there might be some truth to it...


Kerry Cassidy over at Project Camelot, is reporting that an object the size of the moon (a piloted object) is on it's way to earth, that whistleblowers have already been silenced, and that she has apparently recieved several confirmations.

See here...---> http://projectcamelotportal.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=31&Itemid=218

I suspect that her sources are misleading her, perhaps to discredit her work. It all sounds quite impossible.

Having said that, I never say never.

2012 was always going to be a year for big events:
1. Speculation is rampant regarding what will unfold at this years olympics, Cliff High believes that they have to use this time to enact a ritual as the powers that be, are desperate. (http://halfpasthuman.com/aug12.html) Cliff claims, that without the ritual they would loose more power.
2. Rik Clay and Ian Crane believe that the powers that be are planning to stage an alien event.

For those two reasons combined, the timing of Kerry's claim is very interesting.

Bill, please start doing some video updates, it would be good to see you. :) If you agree click "Thanks"
xx

one? there are more than one object coming if they are heading towards us...

[Operator]

PS: A correction, tracking objects at the edge of our solar system may be too far for the amateur astronomers, but they would definitely notice objects in Earth's orbit or close enough to block out the Sun.

Well, the storyline is already changing from a planetary body into a craft. Now we know from Stan Deyo how they can configure a large craft out of several (many) triangular crafts.
A thought I have keeps popping up: "What if there is a secretive (but white hats like) breakaway part that will attempt to black out (part of) the sun ?".

I know it may sound as a silly idea too but sometimes the ideas keep popping up just because they are true or to tease my appetite for out of the box solutions.

[zebowho]

I actually witnessed something similar a couple months ago (it was in the evening). I agree Ilie, I seriously doubt something flew in front of the sun, it was more like it flashed off, flickered. I even remember looking at the street lights to see if they turned on, they didn't. I asked everyone else when I got in the house if they noticed and they didn't so I just chalked it up to my own experience.

[ThePythonicCow]

I've read all of that series of books by Joseph,and they do indeed spell a complex but convincing bit of a story. For those who have not read any of his works, the detail in the books, the back-stories, origins, sources, etc...is exemplary.

His latest in this series, one that ties it all together, is (have I listed this on the forum somewhere already?):

Saucers, Swastikas and Psyops: A History of A Breakaway Civilization: Hidden Aerospace Technologies and Psychological Operations (http://gizadeathstar.com/purchase/)
Yes, you have listed this book once before on the forum ... with a mention of it at Here and Now...What's Happening? (Post #16128) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30405-Here-and-Now...What-s-Happening&p=514755&viewfull=1#post514755)

[MorningSong]

Today I ran across the following article entitled "Surviving The Coming Mass Extinction" at Pakalert:

http://www.pakalertpress.com/2012/06/23/2012-911-afghanistan-al-qaeda-america-apocalypse-2012-armed-forces-barack-obama-central-asia-china-civil-war-counter-terrorism-crotch-bomber-cyber-attacks-democracy-depa/

Here is the VaticReport's disection of the same article:

http://vaticproject.blogspot.it/2012/07/more-disinfopropogandasurviving-coming.html

Now my head is really getting messed with...who's right...who's wrong...hmmmmmmm.

Thanks to all for this fantastic thread!

OH! and another thing I wanted to mention...

At the first of the month, there was an announcement that the song "Survival" by the group MUSE had been chosen as the official song of the London Olympics. The Italian TV channel I was watching showed a part of a video (I'll assume it was the original done for this song) and it showed, in a cartoony-manga fashion, the Earth being bombarded by meteors and huge space ships taking off from spaceports (?) and yet lots of "normal" people panicking in the streets seeking refuge.... I did at the time try to find this video on the internet, with NO luck as all of the vidoes correlated to that song had already been "doctored" with the Olympic's historical review that is considered the "Official Olympic Theme".

To me, that "bad" video slip spoke volumes......

[Sirius White]

People keep debunking space craft and object not realizing the nature of most ET travel is not the way we perceive them! In other-words, huge objects with mass traveling across/space time, they FOLD in and out of space time! And are naturally invisible cloaked, the inter-dimensional ones by changing aspects of themselves (some say vibration, but I think it's more of a particle spin thing), a science we have no way of understanding by the mainstream model. To make things worse there are various vibrational "veils," some attempted to be made by artificial means that keep SEEING them out of our naked eye. I believe one film maker out there developed an infrared technique to "see them?" Our eyes are not sophisticated enough to pick them up even by telescope/satellite! Some satellites do have capability to see them but they are edited by never a straight answer. Craft from other beings, and yes, now even our government will NOT be seen unless they want to be seen or a malfunction happens. I have pictures of HUGE spacecraft over LA taken my family friends little kids on a field-trip. They took a picture of the sunset....NOTHING was there except for ocean, sun etc. When they looked at the camera later, and the digital pictures a GIANT, strange looking UFO (one that I've NEVER seen before) appeared, as well as a small scout craft.

So to people who think they can see stuff coming and going from earth, the moon, and in/around us- they are WRONG!!! They are only seen if they WANT to be seen, and/or there is a malfunction of some kind. I do not know the technology behind this, but I know even the mainstream MILITARY (not even the secret government) has recently developed ability to make for example, tanks invisible. How do I know this? I friend who works at a local company (which is a military R&D company, that works with l0ckheed martin, R@ythen, and greenh0use electrics) says they've figured it out, and he himself is one of the prodigies that worked on the tech. Another recent (very wealthy person) I met rented out his house to L0ckheed, and he found out they had a facility/office building here that is completely off the records, I as mind-blown when I heard this. As many of you know- these companies are highly involved with military and space program funding.

Debunking based on our mainstream model of science is like a monkey trying to understand engineering with a stick. He'll get some aspects but will come up inevitably confused.

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On the interview with Dutch:
Dutch knows what he's talking about in the tiny little bit of the puzzle piece he's been given.

What he doesn't know is that there is on-going trading going on with races from many different places, most of which are exploitative. The Grey's are indeed AI, but they are not from us in the future!!! SOME of them are....but think about this, why would the Grey's work with only the secret government and not with the mass people unless they didn't have an agenda to fulfill! Oh sure! Here's this impending doom...DON'T tell the people, but here is this tech, let us harvest some of your DNA for our future selves, and let us give you this tech to make you guys ultra powerful, build the DUMBS etc. If the Grey's are timetravellers of ourselves (as Dan also believes), why would they intervene so harshly and try to fulfill a TIMELINE that is FILLED with catastrophe/chaos/destruction??? They have an agenda and it is NOT in our best interests.....

People on the ïnside" are given lies just as much, even by the ET's themselves (yes, the ET's lied to them). There are also on-going trade going on with beings from elsewhere. Our space program is now sophisticated enough as well. Resources, by the way are not simply inert or inert soruces of fuel. They are biological wealth, that we have on this planet- in particular genetic material (part of the reason some of the starseeds are sometimes subject to both MILABS and ET abductions). They are interested in some of the lines that got mixed with earlier variations of themselves, as well as other things that we currently cannot fathom. Some are interested in DNA, so they can learn how to influence us better. Allies of Humanity has good info on this.

What Dutch was initiated on was the secret space program and contact with Grey's- he has not had much contact with others. Also, timelines have changed.....many times over, and time-lines are multi-dimensional, not set in stone. The ELITE know something is going to happen, and for some reason have been working like MAD to manifest the timeline with MASSIVE catastrophes. But consciousness of mankind is powerful- and those of us who are spiritually awakening to these facts have been STABILIZING the manifest reality that we call life. Do not forget the manipulation of people and proliferation of their ignorance is also based on the fact the Elite, and the true Illuminati who advise them know the power of human consciousness and collective mind. They understand that there have been timelines seen also of themselves losing power, being put in jail, of revolutions, and of enlightenment coming forth. While they prepare for the worst, they have also been trying to circumvent the worst- so you see they are in a catch 22. Not all of them want this horrible destruction- but most certainly they do not want to see humans be free and empowered on their own. The contracts they made with beings from elsewhere- also forbid them from releasing certain knowledge AND technology....the beings who gave the secret government technology gave it to the secret government for a reason. So that they can influence us THROUGH them, our policies, our outlook, and agendas so that we accept the alien presence, without us knowing, which enables them to exploit our energetic, physical and biological resources by us (and our governments) WILLINGLY agreeing (which is necessary to this sector of galaxy).

The "freedom fighters" are in a minority, both within and outside the government security programs- but we are a growing bunch. Especially now that many people have awoken to the truth of the ET agenda, as well as those who corroborate with them.

To someone like dutch, the above is satanic new age nonsense. Yes, a great deal of new age is WATERED DOWN- but there is nothing satanic about it. The Elite let you believe secret knowledge is evil so that you don't go and understand it for yourself. EVERYTHING is God consciousness, for we are created in its image. We as human beins create creality by the virtue of our intent, and collective thought-frame. Our reality changed when inter-time, inter-dimensional visitors came into our timeline and either willingly, or accidentally interacted with our own kind. When technology fell into our hands- something new began. But isn't it strange the seed was planted by the crash, then secrecy was sworn, the program was taken off official records and went black- and then the beings agreed to TTP (technology transfer program) to aid the secret government and space program? There is an agenda and we may not know exactly what it is, but it is there.

We have avoided catstrophes already, and other scenarios that the Elite have been planning for. Why do you think they are in such a hurry to claim your rights from you? Because the world is ending? Of course not!!! They know we have a chance for survival and they wanna acquire all the power, take our means to fight back before we wake the hell up! MK Ultra a couple neuroscience majors, hire some Marines, plant some newspaper clippings in their back pack right before UN treaty...you have emotionally (not thinking with their heads) centered people, oh and they got them off the internet!! We gotta censor that too!! They don't give a crap about the deficit because yea, the events coming our way- but also because they have to RUN IT ALL INTO THE GROUND before they can rebuild it the way they want! (which is, a unified global economy first, and then government later).

This David Wilcock nonsense about disclosure and intervention is CABAL-FED INTELLIGENCE. The whole "hippie aliens are taking out the DUMBS" is absolute nonsense!!!

Thank you dutch, for your PIECE of the puzzle- but I think there is alot more to the puzzle. BUT keep your belief in God inside of you....just because God exists doesn't mean aliens do not! How do you know the AI is not actually servants of another race who can't interact with us directly, either because of their dimensional anatomy, or their inability to actually be in this kind of density/gravity?? There actually is a prophecy by the Annunaki in an ancient essene zohar, known by the illuminati in which humans become practically synthetic in order to time travel, but how do we know, that time travelers themselves did not place that into our ancient manuscripts for the fulfillment of the agenda? hahaha apologies for the mind-screw.

The grey's infiltrated our MIC LONG AGO.....and the US military knows this now! There are many fights between factions. But the greatest weapon we have is CONSCIOUSNESS. AWARENESS. That's why so many of us have awakened not just the conspiratorial nature of reality- but also the spiritual one BEHIND it. Human minds change the stream of consciousness, time, space, and manifested product of our observer-ship simply by interacting with it- in particular at an UNCONSCIOUS level! Make the unconscious conscious- and you have the power of the Yogi's and ancient mystery school adepts. This is a GLOBAL initiation of first the few, the fractal leading edge, which will eventually encompass the whole of humanity. This is "spiritual intervention" that unfolds from WITHIN.

It is the Source of consciousness giving a choice to individuals who are ready to remember themselves at the very Core of who they are. Those who make the choice, will anchor various energies into their body (template/vessel) which in turn projects outwards by virtue of having changed their consciousness. SO being the change you want to see, is quite literally a real phenomenon that changes the very fabric of reality.

I only offer a small piece of the puzzle as well!
None of this David Wilcock, GFL, Satellite beamed nonsense :)

[Ilie Pandia]

I am not saying there are no cloacked spaceships operating outside my perception capabilities. I am just saying, with arguments, that the quote from Kerry's blog is non-sense, given my current understanding of gravity and large objects.

[Sirius White]

Thanks Panda I agree with you :) My comments were not aimed at you directly! I'm speaking VERY generally. Apologies for my passion as well. Recently all the patterns I am seeing have been really bothering me.

[Gemini]

Bumping this -- in particular the 1977 interview with a young Stan Deyo. Must see: it begins pretty much at the 59 minute mark.

I was completely transfixed. I'd never heard of this interview before -- it's very important indeed, and I'll be listening to it several times.

Your previous post reminded me of the interview. I had seen the video maybe 9 months ago and fortunately I could remember where I had bumped into it originally. I'm not familiar with Stan Deyo or his material otherwise, I just knew the interview was important. :)

[observer]

I've read all of that series of books by Joseph,and they do indeed spell a complex but convincing bit of a story. For those who have not read any of his works, the detail in the books, the back-stories, origins, sources, etc...is exemplary.

His latest in this series, one that ties it all together, is (have I listed this on the forum somewhere already?):

Saucers, Swastikas and Psyops: A History of A Breakaway Civilization: Hidden Aerospace Technologies and Psychological Operations (http://gizadeathstar.com/purchase/)
Yes, you have listed this book once before on the forum ... with a mention of it at Here and Now...What's Happening? (Post #16128) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30405-Here-and-Now...What-s-Happening&p=514755&viewfull=1#post514755)

I too have read a good bit of Farrell's work. I'm currently reading, "Yahweh The Two-Faced God". All of his work is masterfully dovetailed into one cohesive understanding with seamlessly presented documentation.

I find the same sort of understanding in years of reading Jim Marrs.

The point to my earlier comment (#656), bringing-up a 'Breakaway Civilization' was to show that the evidence demonstrats how an hyperdimensional (extra-dimensional>>>outside of our 3D perception) control mechanism is in place here within this particular density.

This hyperdimensional control mechanism has always been at work - since the Dawn Of Man in our present form as Homo Sapiens Sapiens.

One must be willing to spend long hours investigating those researchers who are presenting this evidence, as I know Bill Ryan has done from his list of interviews.

This 'Mechanism of Control' functions through telepathically communicated thoughts. It has always worked in this fashion, through antiquity, into the Dark Ages, within our current history - from Theosophy to the Thule Society, up into the current time, with an abundance of 'channelers' of many different names.

The message has always been: "go back to sleep.... everything is going to be all right" - in one form or another. Humanity has bought-into this message in its myriad interpretations, from the beginning. This is the foundational reason for nothing ever getting any better.

The Global Elite think they are going to escape the havoc they have wracked onto this planet, as they very well might.... from the available evidence.

Eventually, at the end of the a$$-biting endless loop of birth-death-rebirth, one's eternal soul will either ascend out of this nightmare, or one's soul energies will be consumed by the controllers of this farming operation.

They are very clever at what they do....

[Hervé]

People keep debunking space craft and object not realizing the nature of most ET travel is not the way we perceive them!

[...]

I have pictures of HUGE spacecraft over LA taken my family friends little kids on a field-trip. They took a picture of the sunset....NOTHING was there except for ocean, sun etc. When they looked at the camera later, and the digital pictures a GIANT, strange looking UFO (one that I've NEVER seen before) appeared, as well as a small scout craft.

So to people who think they can see stuff coming and going from earth, the moon, and in/around us- they are WRONG!!!

[...]

:)

Personally, I wouldn't be so categorical... especially when someone believes taking a picture of a sunset and the digital pictures reveal unidentify hovering contraptions.

Here is why:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/images/misc/quote_icon.png There is a little known fact about hypnosis that is illustrated by the following story:
A subject was told under hypnosis that when he was awakened he would be unable to see a third man in the room who, it was suggested to him, would have become invisible. All the "proper" suggestions to make this "true" were given, such as "you will NOT see so- and-so" etc... When the subject was awakened, lo and behold! the suggestions did NOT work.

Why? Because they went against his belief system. He did NOT believe that a person could become invisible.

So, another trial was made. The subject was hypnotized again and was told that the third man was leaving the room... that he had been called away on urgent business, and the scene of him getting on his coat and hat was described... the door was opened and shut to provide "sound effects," and then the subject was brought out of the trance.

Guess what happened?

He was UNABLE TO SEE the Third Man.

Why? Because his perceptions were modified according to his beliefs. Certain "censors" in his brain were activated in a manner that was acceptable to his ego survival instincts.

The ways and means that we ensure survival of the ego are established pretty early in life by our parental and societal programming. This conditioning determines what IS or is NOT possible; what we are "allowed" to believe in order to be accepted. We learn this first by learning what pleases our parents and then later we modify our belief based on what pleases our society - our peers - to believe.

Anyway, to return to our story, the Third Man went about the room picking things up and setting them down and doing all sorts of things to test the subject's awareness of his presence, and the subject became utterly hysterical at this "anomalous" activity! He could see objects moving through the air, doors opening and closing, but he could NOT see the SOURCE because he did not believe that there was another man in the room.

So, what are the implications of this factor of human consciousness? (By the way, this is also the reason why most therapy to stop bad habits does not work - they attempt to operate against a "belief system" that is imprinted in the subconscious that this or that habit is essential to survival.)

One of the first things we might observe is that everyone has a different set of beliefs based upon their social and familial conditioning, and that these beliefs determine how much of the OBJECTIVE reality anyone is able to access.

In the above story, the objective reality IS WHAT IT IS, whether it is truly objective, or only a consensus reality. In this story, there is clearly a big part of that reality that is inaccessable to the subject due to a perception censor which was activated by the suggestions of the hypnotist. That is to say, the subject has a strong belief, based upon his CHOICE as to who or what to believe - the hypnotist or his own, unfettered observations of reality. In this case, he has chosen to believe the hypnotist and not what he might be able to observe if he dispensed with the perception censor put in place by the hypnotist who activated his "belief center" - even if that activation was fraudulent.

And so it is with nearly all human beings: we believe the hypnotist - the "official culture" - and we are able, with preternatural cunning, to deny what is often right in front of our faces. And in the case of the hypnosis subject, he is entirely at the mercy of the "Invisible Man" because he chooses not to see him. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/images/misc/quote_icon.png



Now, reverse the above... and turn it into getting the individual to "see," "touch" or perceive something that ain't there... stage hypnotists always have a field day with those....

According to Truman Cash in his "Programming of a Planet (http://lunahelia.com/docs/cash.zip)" and "Eye of Ra (http://lunahelia.com/docs/cash2.zip)" books, a large proportion of the planet's populaton is just maintained in such hypnotic trance, lifetimes after lifetimes.

Hypnosis isn't that far from mind control means and flipping 200 pages/second to let one's unconscious/subconscious sort it out in "dreams," "visions" or "intuitions" is a hell of a subliminal tool!

That was for one possibility.

Now for another angle on the subject:


What I didn't see in the sky that makes it SO Important!

Hello Everyone:

In 1997 I was visiting my parents in Mesa, Arizona in the winter months. It was March 13, 1997. For those that live or have been to Mesa and surrounding area it's absolutely beautiful. This particular day my father was making fresh sqeezed orange juice. My mother was making toast. I was reading the paper at the kitchen table. ( I know I probably should have been doing breakfast of my parents but my folks said not to do anything while visiting. I tried to live their rules but must confess I did take to keeping the apartment neat and tidy while there. )

There was a large french door right beside the kitchen table looking out into the back yard. The sun was the only thing in the sky that morning since there wasn't a cloud in sight. It was approximately 9:30 AM and I was eating my toast and enjoying the freshed squeezed orange juice!

Something began to happen that I have never seen before and have never seen since. The ground began to shadow over outside and the apartment with the french doors blinds open began to get dark as if there was an eclipse taking place. I immediately went outside and looked up into the sky. The sky was a brilliant blue as normal but you couldn't see the sun. Something was between us and the sun. In fact it must have been massive because the shadow on the ground covered an enormous area.

What's so unusual about this is that where the sun was it was just blue sky. I yelled at my parents to come outside. I showed them was was so unusual. We all didn't understand what we were seeing as we were standing there looking up into the sky. We didn't understand because there was nothing but blue sky in the sky to look at. The sun was behind something but there was nothing there to see! After approximately 10 - 15 minutes the sun peaked out from whatever was blocking it's view from us as it passed. We couldn't see anything at all in the sky but blue sky. The only time we could tell something was in the sky was when the sun started to peak out from behind what was completely invisible into the skies blue color.
After leaving all of us bewildered since it was something none of us had ever seen before we were left with all questions and no answers.

For all of us it changed our lives in the sense that we now knew that objects of enormous size could be in the sky and could not be seen. There was no noise whatsoever. There was no wind at all that day. It was just another peaceful day in paradise for us since we live in a very cold climate and come to visit in the winter to get out of the cold weather. Makes the winter alot shorter!

The story isn't over yet since something of great significance took place over Phoenix that evening we saw on the news while watching tv that night. Apparently there was a massive ufo that was seen by tens of thousands of people in the sky. It hovered with no noise for a long period of time and slowly glided through the sky while people were gasping at this enormous object. Photos were taken of it and it created quite the sensation throughout the usa and whereever the news of this event was shown.

Everyone on the news had said it had just appeared. I say it was in the Phoenix area all day from at least when we didn't see anything but the sun behind some enormous object in the sky that morning that was completely invisible to us. Whatever it was it had the ability to blend into the sky without so much as a crack showing.

Since this took place I have always wondered what could have possibly covered the sky with such a huge shadow and block the sun for 10 - 15 minutes in complete silence. Whatever it was it had the ability to be completely invisible. Amazing to my parents and myself. It's one of lifes mysteries that I'll always wonder about!

This is my simple story of what I didn't see in the sky that makes it so important!

chancy



Interesting observations Chancy,

Thanks to you, now we know that these things are physical enough to block sunlight and create shadows on the ground but that they have advanced chameleon's capabilities of camouflage. :wacko:

[Rocky_Shorz]

PS: A correction, tracking objects at the edge of our solar system may be too far for the amateur astronomers, but they would definitely notice objects in Earth's orbit or close enough to block out the Sun.

Well, the storyline is already changing from a planetary body into a craft. Now we know from Stan Deyo how they can configure a large craft out of several (many) triangular crafts.
A thought I have keeps popping up: "What if there is a secretive (but white hats like) breakaway part that will attempt to black out (part of) the sun ?".

I know it may sound as a silly idea too but sometimes the ideas keep popping up just because they are true or to tease my appetite for out of the box solutions.

for those who looked closely at the images I shared,

if you look close, you will see the side facing the sun is lit, that means it is sitting out by Stereo After... I was wondering if there might be circular satellites from China Russia, Iran... ;) that have joined ours to help observe and give mirrored system info so a better chance of seeing what is happening...

but after glancing at the image of stereo A, it isn't that...

It has a metal look, can't explain how I know but the moment I saw it, it was a flash of recognition

are the 4 orbs our lifeboats to escape what is coming?

or are we hearing about the breakaway civilization now, for a heads up, we aren't all joining them...

or, are these the objects we've been watching with the ability to control the sun...

if they rush towards us, would that mean they can't stop an event?

something the size of earth, hollow with decks, trillions on board and room for more...

now, Mr X, our buddy that passed a few years back shared presidential info, he saw a memo that said we are coming in 2012... you have no choice...

life boats, a breakaway civilization, or incoming that needs a planet that will be joining us...

[araucaria]

I am not saying there are no cloacked spaceships operating outside my perception capabilities. I am just saying, with arguments, that the quote from Kerry's blog is non-sense, given my current understanding of gravity and large objects.

Also, given the rarity of a natural total solar eclipse, that was extremely careless driving if they didn't want to be seen :)

[Carmody]

After Tesla’s suppression, he expressed the truth about the universal electrical engineering model in these words:
"The Hertz wave theory of wireless transmission may be kept up for a while, but I do not hesitate to say that in a short time it will be recognized as one of the most remarkable and inexplicable aberrations of the scientific mind which has ever been recorded in history." [Nikola Tesla, "The True Wireless,” Electrical Experimenter, May 1919.]

[…]

So again they got to Lorentz and had him “fix” it. In 1900 he taught the professors to arbitrarily integrate the entire energy flow vector itself (containing both the Poynting diverged component and the giant curled Heaviside component) around a closed surface assumed around any volume of interest. That very neatly separates and retains the diverged Poynting component, while discarding the giant curled Heaviside component. Lorentz also taught them that this component could “have no physical significance”, which is still the view today. E.g., quoting J. D. Jackson:

"...the Poynting vector is arbitrary to the extent that the curl of any vector field can be added to it. Such an added term can, however, have no physical consequences. Hence it is customary to make the specific choice …" [J. D. Jackson, Classical Electrodynamics, Second Edition, Wiley, 1975, p. 237].

[…]

This second “fix” by Lorentz then finished Morgan’s suppression of the “new electrical engineering science” so that it would not contain asymmetrical Maxwellian systems nor would it contain Heaviside’s giant curled EM energy flow component.

With these changes, Morgan (using Lorentz’s services) deliberately crippled electrical engineering and electrical power systems for more than 100 years, and guaranteed that COP>1.0 and self-powering Maxwellian systems – permitted by nature and Maxwell’s original theory – would not be built by our electrical power engineers.

[…]

And that cute little integration trick got added into EE also, so that all mention of the giant Heaviside curled energy flow component just disappeared from all textbooks, curricula, etc.

With the suppression of Tesla and the suppression of all “energy from the active spatial medium” systems from the Heaviside-Lorentz equations, Morgan’s suppression of those threats was complete.


J.P. Morgan paid to have Lorentz go out on tour..and to have every textbook he could reach replaced, free of charge..to remove all common and reachable (that he could reach) access to any form of the math in anything like it's original form. That is the other little tidbit. He owned the right publishing companies. He replaced school and academic texts, and that of libraries, universities, anywhere he could do it, he did it, free of charge.


Watching the video that Bill listed, regarding Stan Deyo, is illustrative of the conditions we're dealing with.

Academia and science, full of Freemasons, doing something akin to the right thing, as they can understand it.

However, human nature puts the 'snakes in suits', the ones with zero empathy... at the top of such systems, via infiltration. In any area where secrecy abounds, it is inevitable that the nasty parts of humanity, which run with no empathy or caring..that those elements which necessarily live in secrecy (sociopaths hide, that is their nature they learn to commit to, as a child)....that they would come together and take over or be the top most tier of anything that is held secret from the rest of humanity. This is a simple inevitable human psychological condition that will move relentlessly until it is in that state of finality, regarding a large hidden group.

[Andrew]

Thankyou Stan Deyo
Watch this lecture then the two examples of what he is talking about.

Lecture

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8222679614108378695

Example 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nb_GPrLoYDI&feature=my_liked_videos&list=LLe9OWB1JrJkvSw84YTHP0jA

Example 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQweNf8KrTE&list=FLe9OWB1JrJkvSw84YTHP0jA&index=61&feature=plpp_video

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& so
What about
The Ultimate Hypothesus
( or was it sis ..).

Be Well , Bill , and All .

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[Hervé]

[...]

However, human nature puts the 'snakes in suits', the ones with zero empathy... at the top of such systems, via infiltration. In any area where secrecy abounds, it is inevitable that the nasty parts of humanity, which run with no empathy or caring..that those elements which necessarily live in secrecy (sociopaths hide, that is their nature they learn to commit to, as a child)....that they would come together and take over or be the top most tier of anything that is held secret from the rest of humanity. This is a simple inevitable human psychological condition that will move relentlessly until it is in that state of finality, regarding a large hidden group.

Thanks for the added "bonus" of Lorentz's purge of textbooks while on J.P. Morgan payroll.

I couldn't agree more about the climb of the "snakes in suits" up the "social" ladder due to their inherent "abilities."

Makes this paper horribly and horrifyingly accurate:


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Twilight Of The Psychopaths

by Dr. Kevin Barrett
Spanish version (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/sociopol_ponerology09.htm)


“Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing that. That's what's insane about it.”
– John Lennon, before his murder by CIA mind-control subject Mark David Chapman

When Gandhi was asked his opinion of Western civilization he said it would be a good idea. But that oft-cited quote, is misleading, assuming as it does that civilization is an unmitigated blessing.

Civilized people, we are told, live peacefully and cooperatively with their fellows, sharing the necessary labour in order to obtain the leisure to develop arts and sciences. And while that would be a good idea, it is not a good description of what has been going on in the so-called advanced cultures during the past 8,000 years.

Civilization, as we know it, is largely the creation of psychopaths. All civilizations, our own included, have been based on slavery and “warfare.” Incidentally, the latter term is a euphemism for mass murder.

The prevailing recipe for civilization is simple:
1. Use lies and brainwashing to create an army of controlled, systematic mass murderers
2. Use that army to enslave large numbers of people (i.e. seize control of their labour power and its fruits)
3. Use that slave labour power to improve the brainwashing process (by using the economic surplus to employ scribes, priests, and PR men). Then go back to step one and repeat the process.


Psychopaths have played a disproportionate role in the development of civilization, because they are hard-wired to lie, kill, injure, and generally inflict great suffering on other humans without feeling any remorse. The inventor of civilization — the first tribal chieftain who successfully brainwashed an army of controlled mass murderers—was almost certainly a genetic psychopath.

Since that momentous discovery, psychopaths have enjoyed a significant advantage over non-psychopaths in the struggle for power in civilizational hierarchies — especially military hierarchies.

Military institutions are tailor-made for psychopathic killers. The 5% or so of human males who feel no remorse about killing their fellow human beings make the best soldiers. And the 95% who are extremely reluctant to kill make terrible soldiers — unless they are brainwashed with highly sophisticated modern techniques that turn them (temporarily it is hoped) into functional psychopaths.

In On Killing (http://www.amazon.com/Killing-Psychological-Cost-Learning-Society/dp/0316330116/ref=pd_bbs_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1208291611&sr=8-1), Lt. Col. Dave Grossman has re-written military history, to highlight what other histories hide: The fact that military science is less about strategy and technology, than about overcoming the instinctive human reluctance to kill members of our own species.

The true “Revolution in Military Affairs” was not Donald Rumsfeld’s move to high-tech in 2001, but Brigadier Gen. S.L.A. Marshall’s discovery in the 1940s that only 15-20% of World War II soldiers along the line of fire would use their weapons:

“Those (80-85%) who did not fire did not run or hide (in many cases they were willing to risk great danger to rescue comrades, get ammunition, or run messages), but they simply would not fire their weapons at the enemy, even when faced with repeated waves of banzai charges”
(Grossman, p. 4).

Marshall’s discovery and subsequent research, proved that in all previous wars, a tiny minority of soldiers — the 5% who are natural-born psychopaths, and perhaps a few temporarily-insane imitators—did almost all the killing.

Normal men just went through the motions and, if at all possible, refused to take the life of an enemy soldier, even if that meant giving up their own. The implication: Wars are ritualized mass murders by psychopaths of non-psychopaths. (This cannot be good for humanity’s genetic endowment!)

Marshall’s work, brought a Copernican revolution to military science. In the past, everyone believed that the soldier willing to kill for his country was the (heroic) norm, while one who refused to fight was a (cowardly) aberration. The truth, as it turned out, was that the normative soldier hailed from the psychopathic five percent.

The sane majority, would rather die than fight.

The implication, too frightening for even the likes of Marshall and Grossman to fully digest, was that the norms for soldiers’ behavior in battle had been set by psychopaths. That meant that psychopaths were in control of the military as an institution.

Worse, it meant that psychopaths were in control of society’s perception of military affairs. Evidently, psychopaths exercised an enormous amount of power in seemingly sane, normal society.

How could that be?
In Political Ponerology (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/polpon/politicalponerologyccr.htm), Andrzej Lobaczewski explains that clinical psychopaths enjoy advantages even in non-violent competitions to climb the ranks of social hierarchies. Because they can lie without remorse (and without the telltale physiological stress that is measured by lie detector tests) psychopaths can always say whatever is necessary to get what they want.

In court, for example, psychopaths can tell extreme bald-faced lies in a plausible manner, while their sane opponents are handicapped by an emotional predisposition to remain within hailing distance of the truth. Too often, the judge or jury imagines that the truth must be somewhere in the middle, and then issues decisions that benefit the psychopath. As with judges and juries, so too with those charged with decisions concerning who to promote and who not to promote in corporate, military and governmental hierarchies.

The result is that all hierarchies inevitably become top-heavy with psychopaths

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Continue here: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/so...nerology08.htm
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[OnyxKnight]

Take this into account. Replace millenium hype with Mayans and 2012 . . .

The Stargate Conspiracy

[INDENT][INDENT][INDENT][INDENT]Revealing the truth behind extraterrestrial contact, military intelligence and the mysteries of Ancient Egypt

The Stargate Conspiracy exposes the most insidious, disturbing - and successful - mass manipulation of our times. Designed to bring us, hearts, minds and souls under the total control of the conspirators, this sinister programme has ruthlessly exploited our Millennial craving for signs and wonders - even hijacking the predicted return of the ancient gods. The Conspiracy...


Is left unrevealed. You just claim its a conspiracy, without actually going in a lot of detail about it.

If we go about it this way, then none of the things discussed here is true.




Hitler was a medium, a first rate medium. He has become possessed during spiritistic seances. It is then that he became seized by crises which were thought to be epileptic. Actually thy were not, they were crises of possession,' told the Mother to the youth of the ashram... 'It was therefore that he had that kind of power, which in fact was not very great. But when he wanted to know something from that Power, he went to his castle (Berghof) to "meditate", and there he addressed a very intense appeal to what he called his "god", his supreme god, who was the Lord of the Nations...

Hitler and the Nazi's were contacted by beings from the Aldebaran system. The 'Bell Project' was one of the first blueprints they gave the Nazis to do.

[OnyxKnight]

May be a mute point

But doesn`t the end of this year correlate with the ''supposed'' lifting a planetary quarantine if such a thing exists?Ans therefore permits the overt influence of outside influences?....

Nope, we are still under 'quarantine'.

[Tangri]

May be a mute point

But doesn`t the end of this year correlate with the ''supposed'' lifting a planetary quarantine if such a thing exists?Ans therefore permits the overt influence of outside influences?....

Nope, we are still under 'quarantine'.

Yes we are. But visitation is allowed now, to others other then relatives.

[OnyxKnight]

May be a mute point

But doesn`t the end of this year correlate with the ''supposed'' lifting a planetary quarantine if such a thing exists?Ans therefore permits the overt influence of outside influences?....

Nope, we are still under 'quarantine'.

Yes we are. But visitation is allowed now, to others other then relatives.

I haven't had regular contact since October for example.

I'm not very convinced with new contact cases and abduction reports (the latter of which seems to have toned down a little the last few years).

Something is going on in our neighborhood that is more interesting/important than us for this time being, so very few of them are actually here.

[modwiz]

May be a mute point

But doesn`t the end of this year correlate with the ''supposed'' lifting a planetary quarantine if such a thing exists?Ans therefore permits the overt influence of outside influences?....

Nope, we are still under 'quarantine'.

Yes we are. But visitation is allowed now, to others other then relatives.

I haven't had regular contact since October for example.

I'm not very convinced with new contact cases and abduction reports (the latter of which seems to have toned down a little the last few years).

Something is going on in our neighborhood that is more interesting/important than us for this time being, so very few of them are actually here.

Now that is teasing, Onyx. Care to at least give a few clues?

[Tangri]

May be a mute point

But doesn`t the end of this year correlate with the ''supposed'' lifting a planetary quarantine if such a thing exists?Ans therefore permits the overt influence of outside influences?....

Nope, we are still under 'quarantine'.



Yes we are. But visitation is allowed now, to others other then relatives.

I haven't had regular contact since October for example.

I'm not very convinced with new contact cases and abduction reports (the latter of which seems to have toned down a little the last few years).

Something is going on in our neighborhood that is more interesting/important than us for this time being, so very few of them are actually here.


What I know recently is; it is not a monopoly for person or nations having contact with EBE these days. This changed all game's rules.

[ghostrider]

I keep thinking , if the world is going to change, it's up to us. We don't need ET to do that. We've had too much interference already. WE must not tolerate evil anymore, uniting in purpose for the good of the planet first. Without earth nothing else matters , we need our planet, healthy , whole , pure, then we can work on our social/spiritual matters....no more killing, or war. Food , water , shelter for all. Funny the thing some are hoping for is the thing that caused most of the deception/manipulation of our world... instead of ET phone home, ET go home, and take your evil puppets with you , time for spring cleaning.....

[OnyxKnight]

Now that is teasing, Onyx. Care to at least give a few clues?


I haven't been told any details, but there is a great deal of chaos going on in the area of Betelgeuse at the moment. Its not just our sun that is acting odd it seems. And the chaos involves the groups who have stations there.

A lot of the UFO/ET activity that is genuine is centered around the south pole, with heavy activity around the area of Antarctica, as there are groups who are leaving our planet and going towards the Kuiper Belt, where as we all know, there has been strange activity there since the start of the millennium, and has increased in intensity after 2007. The only reason they haven't been that stealthy, and the activity has been noted by humans, is that at the current moment, whether or not they are seen is not a big priority on their list.

I'm talking about USO reports mostly. The groups that had colonies there are mostly aquatic or amphibian. Some of the massive objects people have reported are real, and its theirs (I don't have any more details as to who exactly are all of these groups, and which objects are the real ones, from the reports). Although I do know of one particular group, from a star system we know as HIP 93017, has large spherical ships with brightly lit colors, that reach hundreds of kilometers in size. If there are such reports, they may be genuine.

There is also disturbance in the Tau Ceti system, yet again. Unstable planetary orbits, due to collisions, more bodies being blown away because of the conflicts in the outskirts of the system, dragging more debris inside the system, and more collisions, etc. At least, this was what was going on till October 2011. I have no updated information on anything else.

The only other things they have told me is that the larger bulk of the civilizations need to intervene and deal with something they described as an intergalactic threat. When I asked for details, they said it would make the Draconians look like nothing more than the local bullies. What worried me, is that they said there are other dangerous things out there other than this new threat, that they have known of, and that this local neighborhood is relatively "safe" and "calm" in comparison.

With all this taken in consideration, I can see why we would not be such a high priority for the time being.

This thread in particular got me thinking, specifically the part about the elite leaving the planet because of some fear, Maybe somehow they found out about these other "more dangerous" things in space, and this "intergalactic threat", so they just want to get the hell out of here in time?

[OnyxKnight]

What I know recently is; it is not a monopoly for person or nations having contact with EBE these days. This changed all game's rules.

If I understood you correctly, you are saying that now the groups can contact anyone, anyone at all?

[Rocky_Shorz]

my phone lines are open...


did your friends mention anything about a group joining us this year?


could it be some from Tau Ceti that were saved from collisions?

[Mandala]

Not sure if Pres. Eisenhower's grand-daugher in the. Inside circle, but she tells about being ask in 2006 to train and help establish a new life on a Mars Base. She calls that Alternative 3. Recently she has been told to stay on earth and continue her mission here. 5GyKohPmmIY

[OnyxKnight]

my phone lines are open...


did your friends mention anything about a group joining us this year?


could it be some from Tau Ceti that were saved from collisions?

I doubt they would bring them here if they are survivors (of any kind). There are places far more near than the Sol system, like Epsilon Eridani and Keid systems. Those are also far more well developed and guarded than Tau Ceti itself, even though the people living there started just as colonies that migrated from Tau Ceti.

Why go 11 light years from Tau Ceti to Sol, when you can go 5 and a half light years to Epsilon Eridani :) ?

When you say joining us, joining us in what way? Just joining the rest that are still here in the work they have been doing thus far, or joining us as in - joining us overtly, letting everyone know they are ETs?

And also, where did you hear that (about a group joining us)?

[Rocky_Shorz]

in the Memo the archivist Mr. X disclosed to us from the Presidents original contact, they say they are coming and we have no choice, I was curious if you had any word on whether that statement had changed...

[OnyxKnight]

Mr. X that died?

[Rocky_Shorz]

yes...

I was just looking for the link in the original forum...

Mr X (http://projectavalon.net/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=70)

interview (http://projectavalon.net/lang/en/mr_x_interview_transcript_en.html)



X: I remember reading Truman and Eisenhower but no other.

K: So Truman and Eisenhower did know.

X: I saw evidence that they did know. I think that most presidents, if not all, from then on, do know. I don't know how much access they have but I think they know.

B: Was there anything that you read at that time in the 1980s that pertained to what then was in the future?

X: Yes. There was talk about them, what was described as a mass landing, in 2012 at the end of the year.

B: At the end of 2012?

X: A mass landing.

B: And that was a date that you read in the documentation?

K: And was that going to be something that the aliens were telling the Americans was going to happen? Or was it …

X: Well, they were telling them it was going to happen regardless of whether they wanted it to or not.

[OnyxKnight]

Okay, so I decided to watch the Dutch and Victor interviews, and I have to say it doesn't fit.

And the Dutch person, I'm not buying it. I'm really not sure why Bill would point to this guy's claims solely because he supports that time-traveling-future-humans thing.

[OnyxKnight]

Thanks Rocky

No, I haven't been told such a thing. The only outcome where they would come out that I've heard was, the human-looking ones (no 'Grays', "Reptoids'), and that they would claim they are descendants of those who lived in the time of Atlantis and Lemuria (which is not a lie, as they were part of the colonies there, just half the truth would be out), but they would still not reveal the extraterrestrial factor to their nature, and keep that for later on.

And this is if things really get serious here, and a need for such an approach is "justified".


yes...

I was just looking for the link in the original forum...

Mr X (http://projectavalon.net/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=70)

interview (http://projectavalon.net/lang/en/mr_x_interview_transcript_en.html)



X: I remember reading Truman and Eisenhower but no other.

K: So Truman and Eisenhower did know.

X: I saw evidence that they did know. I think that most presidents, if not all, from then on, do know. I don't know how much access they have but I think they know.

B: Was there anything that you read at that time in the 1980s that pertained to what then was in the future?

X: Yes. There was talk about them, what was described as a mass landing, in 2012 at the end of the year.

B: At the end of 2012?

X: A mass landing.

B: And that was a date that you read in the documentation?

K: And was that going to be something that the aliens were telling the Americans was going to happen? Or was it …

X: Well, they were telling them it was going to happen regardless of whether they wanted it to or not.

[Rocky_Shorz]

sorry for all the questions, but this is the first we spoke since your friends arrived and I was wondering if you learned anything new to share with us.

have they been away for a year at a time before or was this very out of the ordinary?

was it your normal contacts or the scary dude?

travel anywhere?


so what do you think the lights were that passed the opposite direction planets travel passing next to those Orbs?

[Carmody]

Hitler was a medium, a first rate medium. He has become possessed during spiritistic seances. It is then that he became seized by crises which were thought to be epileptic. Actually thy were not, they were crises of possession,' told the Mother to the youth of the ashram... 'It was therefore that he had that kind of power, which in fact was not very great. But when he wanted to know something from that Power, he went to his castle (Berghof) to "meditate", and there he addressed a very intense appeal to what he called his "god", his supreme god, who was the Lord of the Nations...

Hitler and the Nazi's were contacted by beings from the Aldebaran system. The 'Bell Project' was one of the first blueprints they gave the Nazis to do.

Sorry.

You're not reducing 12,000 yeas of suspected alchemy,and 6,000 yeas of known alchemy.....6 fully detailed books with extensive references and backing data, my own intellect, my own capacities, capacities and knowledge of others alive today....and that of other people for the past few hundred years....and so on...into something akin to a comment about Hitler and an Ouija board.

Not happening today.

[K626]

Hitler was a medium, a first rate medium. He has become possessed during spiritistic seances. It is then that he became seized by crises which were thought to be epileptic. Actually thy were not, they were crises of possession,' told the Mother to the youth of the ashram... 'It was therefore that he had that kind of power, which in fact was not very great. But when he wanted to know something from that Power, he went to his castle (Berghof) to "meditate", and there he addressed a very intense appeal to what he called his "god", his supreme god, who was the Lord of the Nations...

Hitler and the Nazi's were contacted by beings from the Aldebaran system. The 'Bell Project' was one of the first blueprints they gave the Nazis to do.

Sorry.

You're not reducing 12,000 yeas of suspected alchemy,and 6,000 yeas of known alchemy.....6 fully detailed books with extensive references and backing data, my own intellect, my own capacities, capacities and knowledge of others alive today....and that of other people for the past few hundred years....and so on...into something akin to a comment about Hitler and an Ouija board.

Not happening today.

:p That made me laugh. :lol:

[OnyxKnight]

Sorry.

You're not reducing 12,000 yeas of suspected alchemy,and 6,000 yeas of known alchemy.....6 fully detailed books with extensive references and backing data, my own intellect, my own capacities, capacities and knowledge of others alive today....and that of other people for the past few hundred years....and so on...into something akin to a comment about Hitler and an Ouija board.

Not happening today.

I must have pressed the wrong button. I didn't order bitter lemon.







I'm sorry honey, the designs speak for themselves, as well as Witkovski's research.

[K626]

It was the shock and blindness from the gas attack at the end of WW1 that 'changed' Hitler btw. Carry on.

Love

K

[OnyxKnight]

Or was it that he found out he had a German mother and Jewish father ....


We will never know ...

[K626]

Or was it that he found out he had a German mother and Jewish father ....


We will never know ...

The first 'visitation' was when he was in hospital recovering from his blindness.

It is well documented that brain chemical changes that occur due to shock and so on can make somebody more 'sensitive' to more exotic input. :lol:



love

K

[Referee]

Claims that HAARP warps Gravity and time.......

http://beforeitsnews.com/science-and-technology/2012/05/physicist-haarp-manipulates-time-2167703.html

[araucaria]

The thing about Hitler and the ultimate has nothing to do with facts: it has to do with a mental barrier - there is nothing beyond this point.

You cannot compare anyone to Hitler, because he is the worst. The very idea that someone can be (much) worse than Hitler will not even occur to most people.

Other words in this category are Nazi, antisemite etc...

[Wind]

Hitler was bad, but certainly not the worst. And I don't mean to downgrade him.

[observer]

Claims that HAARP warps Gravity and time.......

http://beforeitsnews.com/science-and-technology/2012/05/physicist-haarp-manipulates-time-2167703.html

Bump this link.... :bump:

This was a very good find, Referee.

I've been following the H.A.A.R.P. issue through the work of Dr. Nick Begich for many years now, going back to the early days of Art Bell, and Coast-to-Coast Radio.

I've never heard the concept that this technology can be used to warp space-time, and I wasn't aware that there was now an "almost completed" H.A.A.R.P. matrix network. This all makes perfect sense knowing what we all realize regarding the work of Tesla, the Philadelphia Experiment, and the known capacities of the H.A.A.R.P. project.

This was a very informative link, indeed....

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realy was eradecated on the "death" of Hitler,
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[another bob]

Putting the ‘poo’ in ‘apoocalypse’

Posted on July 24, 2012

http://commanderzero.com/blog/2012/07/24/putting-the-poo-in-apoocalypse/

It occurred to me that while I have plenty of posts about food and being able to shove more cake down your piehole, I dont have any posts about the other end of the gastrointestinal tract.

In many situations, when the power goes out the water pressure sometimes follows. Even if you’re in an area that is served by gravity, rather than pumps, all it takes is some physical disruption to the delivery system (damaged pipes, etc.) and turning on the taps gets you nothing but a gurgle and a feeling of impending doom.

Now, drinking water isn’t that big a deal compared to water for sanitation. We all store water, and a method to purify it, right? Worst comes to worst, we take our Katadyn and a five-gallon jug, have someone stand watch, and we pump some water from the nearby river or lake. Unfortunately, sanitation takes a bit more water than that.

The average flush toilet in this country uses something like 1.6 to 4 gallons of water depending on your toilet. If you’re good with a bucket you can ‘flush’ your toilet with a well-heaved bucket of water into the bowl. But let’s be real here….we’re guys – give us a shovel, a roll of toilet paper, and a modicum of privacy and we’ll be fine. We are, after all, the gender that has raised bodily function jokes into a social greeting and form of entertainment. Chicks, on the other hand, can get a little fussy about this sort of thing. Don’t think so? Try to remember back to your dating days…what was the one thing that chicks weren’t willing to put up with in your bachelor pad? Filthy bathroom. Your kitchen could look like a food-decay laboratory, and she might think the 48″ metal lathe in the living room was ‘manly’, and she might even tolerate the sheets that crunched when you lay down on them, but if the toilet in your bathroom looked like a Third World squathole you may as well forget about any sort of action.

More than aesthetics and squeamishness, the improper handling/disposal of…uhm….’waste’…is a major health risk. When there’s a huge disaster just about anywhere in the world what follows about a week later? Cholera, typhoid, dysentery and a host of other serious diseases related to ‘improper hygiene and sanitation’. The classic example is Typhoid Mary who, through her career as a cook, managed to kill and sicken quite a few people before she was forcibly isolated for the public good.

Solution? Well, you know that old saying about not crapping where you sleep? That and some serious attention paid to handwashing and cleanliness will go a long way. But, more importantly, when the water-flush porcelain commode becomes an artifact of a happier, less apocalyptic time, a Plan B is going to be needed.

Fortunately, there are some options. (Although none are as familiar as what we’re used to.)

There are all sorts of ‘portable toilet’ systems out there. All are pretty much the same thing – some type of toilet-seat situated over a removable plastic bag. That’s pretty much the basic design. After that, it’s bells and whistles. Some systems use a powder or other medium to reduce odors and turn liquids to solids, some use heavy deodorizers, and some are about as simple as you can get. (Like the guys overseas who improvise toilet seats out of their tri-fold shovels.)

The old Civil Defense sanitation kits are probably the forerunners to what we see today in terms of products like this and this. The old CD kits might be a good foundation to use in designing your own kit. I suppose in an emergency just about any suitable container, such as a garbage can, and a pile of plastic bags can be improvised into use as a portable toilet but why improvise when you can get something a little more purposeful? And although this seems like some sort of redneck joke, I can see where might be pretty practical at a hunting camp or similar venue.

Regardless, in addition to a toilet seat and some sort of catchment, there appears to be some other things that will go along with them to make things a lot easier and safer. The old CD sanitation kits packed:

Sanitation Kit Contents List

Kit Item SKIII SKIV

Commode Seat, Plastic 1 1
Can Opener (manual) 1 1
Sanitary Napkins 36 60
Hand Cleaner (can) 1 1
Polyethelene Gloves (pair) 1 1
Water Dispensing Spout 1 1
Tie Wire (bag closing) 1 1
Cups and Lids (plastic) 35 70
Commode Chemical (pack) 6 12
Poly Bag Liners (commode) 1 1
Instruction Sheet 1 1
Toilet Tissue 5 10


If I had to guess, and I do, I’d say the cups and lids were for the gents to use in a quiet corner of the shelter. No point in filling that commode any faster than necessary, right?

So lets say you’ve purchased some sort of portable toilet system. What should be packed away with it? Well, right off the top, you’re probably not going to ever find that you can have too many plastic receptacle bags. Really. Go long on these. Next item up is the future currency in just about any disaster – toilet paper. Again, having too much is pretty impossible. How much to have? Just keep buying it and stocking it away. Make sure you protect it from wet (obviously) and from critters that like using it as nesting material. After that, I’d think you’d want a large amount of hand sanitizer/cleaner/soap, a few gallons of bleach and a spray bottle, maybe some Lysol spray, gloves for handling clean up, some method of sealing the bags, and a few other sundries..(like a shovel for burying the bags). Given the critical nature of a piece of equipment like a small portable toilet it may be a good idea to have more than one. Given the relatively low price of some of these packages, it might be a bit more comforting for each person to have their own.

Unfortunately, in large natural disasters like Katrina, Haiti, Japan, etc. it seems that cholera and associated diseases spring up immediately afterwards. While you can’t do much about other folks’ behaviors, you can certainly minimize risks to yourself – wash your hands thoroughly and frequently, especially after bathroom breaks. Disinfect the hell out of anything that is used communaly by anyone for anything..toilet seats, door knobs, radio handsets, bicycle handlebars, etc, etc. And have a plan and supplies in place so that when the water supply or sewage elimination options dwindle to nothing you can still manage with a degree of safety and cleanliness.

http://commanderzero.com/blog/2012/07/24/putting-the-poo-in-apoocalypse/

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