How we are controlled!

[Tony]

How we are controlled!

About a week ago I watched an interview by a young alternative media man. He was 'bugging' someone who seemed to be a sort of insider. It was a 'nothing' interview, but, the the insider, suddenly got serious and said, “It's far simpler than you think!”

That 'floored' me, anyone who says that answer is so simple, pay attention to! In fact it is the only thing I've heard in over a year on forums that open my eyes.

I've been reflecting on this for an answer, and the answer is on the news everyday!
...bank culture, wealth, status, porn, violence, alcohol, shopping, gadgets, sport, religion, cooking, aliens, fashion, getting angry, love, being right, getting more angry, me, you, us and them, forums...

The connection is...addiction!

This human existence at this moment in time, is based on Desire and Frustration. The act of desire and frustration creates addiction, so we never find satisfaction. Addiction is distraction.

Addiction is a physical and mental imprisonment. We can also be addicted to thinking we are free of all this!

Addiction to Self is normal ignorance for sentient beings, this is what keeps us unenlightened
(your truly included), and the Demon Pyramid just plays on it.

We can turn this on it's head by using addiction is the opposite way...addiction to compassion!
Get addicted to caring about others welfare more than your own. Compassion is totally satisfying, but you cannot expect anything in return!




Tony

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thanks Tony..


I agree with you Tony, we are all addicts on some form or level in this reality, even though many of us wake up to the truth that the governments are corrupt.
That to becomes an addiction and a distraction to continue your search to the only important truth, "who you really are"

In my view, the disinformation feed about everything, are ultimately an addiction to keep you running around in circles. Because, "the truth are out there right??!!"
When you find out who you really are, you realize that everything is a distraction, and that nothing can be believed.

That said, how do one continue living a life with this knowing. It's just that you are aware that you are in disneyland 24/7, and some rides you are more addicted to than others.
By paying attention to this, you can enjoy everything without getting caught up in anything.

[markpierre]

Absolutely Tony. Pow. And everyone suffers from this.

We're controlled by the availability of distraction. i meditate to distract myself, I don't know about you.
And you want to know the creepiest thing? (or the most funny)
Beneath all the love of turmoil, we're addicted to the deepest roots of our greatest fears.
Look at all the clever ways we hide them, to keep them safe.

[Tony]

Absolutely Tony. Pow. And everyone suffers from this.

We're controlled by the availability of distraction. i meditate to distract myself, I don't know about you.
And you want to know the creepiest thing? (or the most funny)
Beneath all the love of turmoil, we're addicted to the deepest roots of our greatest fears.
Look at all the clever ways we hide them, to keep them safe.


You hit the nail on the head...we hide them!

[bekrah]

Bumping this, I think it deserves more attention. I believe you are absolutely right. :)

[markpierre]

You hit the nail on the head...we hide them!

Well we don't hide them where we can't see them, so I won't put the hammer away.

In fact fully being in fear isn't such a bad way to loosen it up.

But pretending we're not is a terrible way to do it.

[mattymoto]

Hello everyone. My name is Matt, and I'm a distraction addict.

[markpierre]

Hello everyone. My name is Matt, and I'm a distraction addict.

So we've made it to the meeting and everyone can admit to the problem.
Not sure if that's a determination to recover, or a convenient place to duck out of the rain.
But the program (if you do it) reveals that that problem was just a symptom.
and the guys with the shiniest identities are generally the slowest to catch on.
Anyone want to take that wild first step off the cliff of not knowing?

[Jetsam]

Just thinking a little bit... Is addiction the same as attachment?
They seem quite connected don't they?

[Unified Serenity]

Practicing the art of detachment is one of the most difficult things to do correctly. Attachments do create a lot of problems for us. The idea of MINE creates the fear of DON"T take what's MINE! or, I might lose what is MINE! We have a ton of fear, ego, pride, etc that is used in attachments, and yet being detached is not the lack of caring which unfortunately I have seen far too many seeking to be detached fall into that trap. That makes one numb. Here is how I do it when I am in the "zone". I am one with all, and therefore I belong to everything and everything is mine. Out of love and respect, I own nothing, and am owned by nothing.

Trying to walk it aint so easy.

[markenty13]

This is so so true.... I remember reading a part of Eckhart Tolles book "The Power or Now" in which he mentions that love relationships these days are not about true love but about being addicted to the other person to cover up there personal fears and problems. The relationship starts off amazing, nothing else matters, but then this feeling decreases and the fears and worries of that person start to come out and they attack and blame the other person for the feelings they are experiencing.....

Im sure most of us have experienced this type of relationship (Love/Hate), I know i have :)

[Carolin]

Isn't life itself a distraction?? Judgement is probably the biggest distraction of all but unfortunately nobody here on earth is qualified to do it.

[sdv]

My father used to say that if you think that money will give you security, you will never have enough and you will spend your whole life accumulating more and more money and never get the security you seek.

My mother was more pragmatic and simply said that you can't take it with you when you die!

Actually I partially disagree with you about desire Tony. Desire is the energy of life and as human beings we are blessed to feel desire, but we are also blessed with minds that can reason and (if we are not psychopaths) a sense of ethics. What's wonderful about a good old fashioned Sunday lunch is not only the delicious food but the sharing of that food with family and whatever friends (old and new) who happen to pass by.

[Kindred]

Yes, 'addictions' are all around us, and come in many forms.

The biggest one is the idea of 'me'... vs the hidden/forgotten 'knowledge' that everything is One.

For me, I use a few 'mantras' to assist in my meditations (a 'great' addiction, IMHO). Rather than the "OM" or any other cliched mantra you read about in meditation manuals, I've 'developed' a few of my own. Note that I don't speak these aloud, but silently invoke them.

One is "ALL for Others"... another is "Love and Peace for Gaia", or a variation, "Love and Healing for Gaia". I do these in timing with my breathing. I find these not only provide a 'focus / distraction' from what's around me, but also induce and strengthen the Intent in my meditations. I have found them to be quite helpful in achieving said 'distraction' and increasing my 'connections'.

Now, the "ALL for Others" is something I got from a story about a 'visitation experience' that was written back in the early 60's. I have found this particular piece to tap into some very powerful emotions, given the 'abilities' of the visitors. As emotions play a Significant part of one's intent which is related to your overall connection with Source (which is the purpose of meditation), I feel that using such directed 'mantras' to be particularly useful.

Perhaps you will also.

In Unity, Peace and Love
http://rune.galactic.to/apu1.html

[markpierre]

Isn't life itself a distraction?? Judgement is probably the biggest distraction of all but unfortunately nobody here on earth is qualified to do it.

Well life is experience, but I don't think that has much or anything to do with our thoughts, and that's what we try to sedate.

So we prefer some thoughts over others without acknowledging that all of them are our own.
That's what judgement is. That 'unpleasant thought' came from me?
I can't pretend it was someone else's, though I try. So what do i want to do with it?
Put it back on the bottom? Try to ignore it? Advocate against it?
Maybe accept it. Or stop sorting them out. If you're happy be happy, if you're sad be sad.
No one is qualified to judge because judgement's entirely unreal. But that doesn't stop us.

Everyone has this weird idea that only good thoughts raise vibration.
True thinking does, but that's not about what's true and what isn't.

[Tony]

The closer we get to revealing 'their' game, the more spooked 'they' will get.
Drop by drop if we are anywhere near their plots, they are the ones who will have to wakeup.
And 'they' will probably have some sleepless nights.

What 'they' just cannot understand is a 'Good Heart'. It must be their greatest fear, that we cannot ever be broken.
The more we understand this, the more this Good virus will spread!

We cannot be broken precisely, because we no longer believe we are this body or mind.
We cannot go back to not knowing.

They will constantly have to adapt and deflect attention, but the more they do this the more obvious it will be.

Tony

[Kindred]

The closer we get to revealing 'their' game, the more spooked 'they' will get.

They will constantly have to adapt and deflect attention, but the more they do this the more obvious it will be.

Tony

We see this happening all around, particularly in the MSM... it's getting to be absolutely ridiculous the lengths 'they' will go to distract, deflect and manipulate the attention of the populace. To my mind It suggests that 'The Quickening' is ramping up... but this was inevitable, yes?

In Unity, Peace and Love

[Dorjezigzag]

I like your post
I was reading this yesterday, I feel it relates to this thread. I think we can we can even get addicted to the concept of addiction.
I think we can get simpler still 'essence'. But even essense is just a word it is not the thing itself.


Remember, never use any energy to dominate anyone. Because of this, Buddha, Mahavir, Jesus, they made it a point, and they went on hammering, that the moment you enter the spiritual search, be filled with love for everyone, even for your enemy – because if you are filled with love you will not be attracted to the inner violence which wants to dominate.
Only love can become an antidote. Otherwise when the energy comes to you and you are overfilled with it, you will start dominating. This happens every day. I have come across many, many people...
I start helping them, they will grow a little, and the moment they feel that a certain energy is coming to them they will start dominating others, they will try now to use it. Remember, never use spiritual energy to dominate. You are wasting your efforts. Sooner or later you will be empty again, and you will fall down suddenly. And this is pure wastage, but it is very difficult to control it because you become aware that now you can do certain things.

If you touch someone who was ill and he becomes okay, how can you resist touching others now? How can you resist?
If you cannot resist, you will waste your energy. Something has happened to you, but soon you will throw it away unnecessarily. And really, the mind is so cunning that you may be thinking that you are helping others by healing them. That may be just a cunning trick of the mind, because if you have no love, how can you be so concerned with others’ diseases, their illnesses, their health? You are not concerned.

Really, now this is a power. If you can heal, you can dominate them. You may say, ”I am just helping them,” but even in your help you are simply trying to dominate them. Your ego will be fulfilled. This will become a food for your ego. So all the old treatises say beware. They say beware because when the energy comes to you, you are at a dangerous point. You can waste it, you can throw it away. When you feel any energy, make it a secret; do not allow anyone to know about it.


The thread questions how we are controlled but we should ask our our selves the same question, how do we dominate and seek to control others?

[Tony]

My father used to say that if you think that money will give you security, you will never have enough and you will spend your whole life accumulating more and more money and never get the security you seek.

My mother was more pragmatic and simply said that you can't take it with you when you die!

Actually I partially disagree with you about desire Tony. Desire is the energy of life and as human beings we are blessed to feel desire, but we are also blessed with minds that can reason and (if we are not psychopaths) a sense of ethics. What's wonderful about a good old fashioned Sunday lunch is not only the delicious food but the sharing of that food with family and whatever friends (old and new) who happen to pass by.


Hello sdv,

On a ordinary human level desire helps us swing along in the trees, so it has its uses. When we get caught up in desire, we cling, and the desire now controls us. Once we have our hearts desire, we find we are having to maintain it and defend it, then we can get aggressive if anyone touches it!

But as you say there is energy there! Desire on a finer level has the wisdom of discernment, as long as we can let go of it.

Perhaps the Higgs particle will discover something new, but at the moment all matter has three laws attraction, repulsion and inertia. On a human level that manifests as Desire, Aversion and Indifference (Ignorance). It's these three aspects that bind all sentient existence to this universe. However there are three other laws, that are the opposite to these.

Well they are not really opposite as they are reality Wisdoms. Desire, Aversion and Ignorance are the neurotic state created by an "I".

These wisdoms are Empty essence , Cognisant nature and unconfined Compassion.


Funny I was looking at my note today on this very subject...It's what changed my life!


Tony



ps. All negative emotions have a wisdom aspect.

[Tony]

The link between emotions (our neurotic nature) and wisdoms (our true nature) is very simple and logical.
But this takes some explaining.

When this is understood and an emotion arises, it can takes us back to our true nature.
We will see that Negative emotions never existed in the first place.


Tony

[DeDukshyn]

Here's my two cents on the topic for what it is worth - a technique for moving oneself outside of "control" ... Posted elsewhere on Avalon ..

Choices, Decisions and the Domestication of Man

I'll try to keep this short, so fill in the blanks where needed ... This is the very short version. It is loosely based on Toltec Wisdom, a bunch of my own musings, and a technique I learned somewhere -- Bill Ryan would likely recognize it

How to domesticate a wild animal? Generally, there are only two principles at work here. Punishment and reward. With consistency and authority, you punish undesired behaviour and reward desired behaviour. The forms of punishment and reward vastly vary to different degree of effects, but the process is always the same. This process is one of programming fear into a consciousness - it is that simple. The subject begins to fear the punishment, but also, it begins to fear a lack of reward - this part of the process is hidden to many - it goes quickly from, "joy of reward" to "fear of not getting the reward"; or just "Fear" if we simplify it.

How to domesticate a human? Have kids. That is all you need to do. "Fear Programming" has been so effective on humans that we are now self domesticating. It is culturally encoded into all our systems - every single culture on Earth is encoded with this self domesticating process; the only difference between "Cult" and "Culture" is scale. We are taught that this is "civility", yet, if you make the right distinctions, you can see there is nothing really civil about this process, and that it is merely a form of control so effective that we do it to ourselves as a species without questioning it.

Think about all the decisions you make in a day .. "Should I buy this? no, it costs too much ..."<Fear of lack>; "I haven't talked to my Mom all month, I better call her or she'll be upset"<Fear of others thoughts>; "If I had that fancy car I bet I could get that hot chick to go on a date .."<Fear of lack of self worth>; Almost every decision made has a hidden fear behind it. We have been programmed to re-act this way in every instance of our lives.

So what is the alternative? How to break from this vicious cycle? The ONLY way is to center yourself in the present moment and make all your life choices from a center of love. Perfect! How do we do that?

I'm going to try to show you a very effective technique to nullify the fear from all your choices ...

First I need to make clear another distinction: Choices and Decisions -- they are not the same thing. Let us entertain these definitions:


Choice: To select after a consideration.

Decision: To select based on a consideration.


Now, Paper? or Plastic? Make a Choice between those two ... go on - using the distinctions above Make a CHOICE. Now why did you choose that one? Do you have your reason as to why? Now look at your reason, by the definitions above, -- did you make a Choice? or a Decision? I'm willing to bet you made a decision. What was your selection based on? The consideration driven by your reason - thus you made a decision.

Try again, Paper? or Plastic? Make a CHOICE this time. Ok? Got it? What was your reason for that choice? Wait a sec - did you base that choice on your reason? That's a decision then -- not a choice.

Keep trying ... It can't be that hard, I gave both very clear definitions of a choice and decision ...

By now some of you will have gotten what I was after - some still not. Humans are programmed with "Reasons" -- this is our own self administered "pleasant" version punishment and reward system. Reasons become the self sustained "more comfortable" construct as an alias of the punishment and reward system in humans, and it is so effective some find it "frightening" to try to make a choice without a "reason" to back it up!

However freedom is found in the absence of reasons.

If you can make a proper choice without a need to apply any justification or reasoning to it, you have made that choice from love in the Present Moment (or insanity, or extreme drunkenness ;-). If you find yourself having "Reasons" and making "Decisions" as opposed to choices, then you are living in your past and keeping that past energized into dragging you back as opposed to the Present Moment, which where you really want to be.

If there are any who have not "gotten" it, or if I was not clear enough - "choices" are not made with any reasons, but they may be made after reasoning, in the present moment, from a state of love. Therefore, if you present any "reason" for basing your selection when asked -- your mind was not in the present moment when you made the selection, but rather the priority was on the "reason" - a past based illusionary construct.

The people who rule this world control with these automated programs of reason - the punishment and reward systems are already in place and they just need to give you new "reasons" for you to believe in to satisfy your fears. We do all the hard work up front by programming our children, then schools do some programming, TV, friends, religions even, it all uses this exact, yet rather simple system. The great thing is that it is easy to escape the programming by making CHOICES instead of DECISIONS. Just keep this distinction

Ready? Set! CHOOSE!

In my mind the only real valid reason for almost anything should be this (and it is not even a real "reason" ): "Because I am loving ... <fill in the blank>" My 2 cents

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Here's how the above relates to mind processes ... again posted elsewhere at one point here ...



WHAT IS --This is just what happens before ANY judgements or interpretation
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PERCEPTION --This is where what happened is interpreted via conditional response
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RATIONALIZATION --This is where thought comes in and compares the perception with historical or learned reasoning
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ALIGNMENT --This is where the thought polarizes with a particular feeling, result, outcome, or judgement based on the rationailzation
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JUSTIFICATION --This is where the alignment is justified to fulfill a sense of personal "rightness" about the previous thought processes
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ACTION --This is where an action or decision is taken based on the previous thought processes
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DEFENSE --This is where the alignment and justification process are used as a "defense" to defend the action - it matters not the appropriateness of the action or decision - when an ego goes through these thought processes it has already justified the action internally based solely on historical egoic actions - not likely based on integrity or honesty relating to the current situation.



You can't fix your defence because it naturally steps down (is a subset) based on action - if action is wrong than so is defense, no matter what or how hard you try to defend it.
You can't fix your action because it naturally steps down based on justification - if justification is wrong so will action be, no matter what or how hard you try.
You can't fix your justifications because it naturally steps down from your alignment - if your alignment is wrong so will justification be, no matter what or how hard you try.
You can't fix you alignment because it steps down from rationalization - if your rationale was wrong, everything below it can only be wrong - why try to fix something not fixable?
All the best rationale in the world is useless if it is based in incorrect or inappropriate perception - if rationalization is to have a chance, perception must be of the highest order it can be.

Since we cannot change "What Is" -- the only chance we have of changing the world is by correcting our perceptions. This happens before the first thought process - it is hidden from your view. One thinks that this is "themself" but this is actually merely their conditioned response, it occurs before you can even rationalize what has happened; did Pavlov's dog think before salivating after hearing the bell? No, it was programmed response; His mind was programmed to perceived food would be coming.

If we want to change our programming - no amount of defense, action, justification, alignment, or rationalization will ever achieve it. Only new conditioning or attaining the ability to rise above programmed response (with a consistent state of love and instant forgiveness) will work.

[Positive Vibe Merchant]

So from the baseline, what is the best way to start weening ourselves from these distraction...? where is the starting point, how small should we be going?

PVM

[DeDukshyn]

So from the baseline, what is the best way to start weening ourselves from these distraction...? where is the starting point, how small should we be going?

PVM

The key to this starts with perceptions and end with reactions ...

See post above yours for a little insight. It's not the whole solution but a HUGE part of it - at least coming to that understaning is ... my 2 cents worth ;)

[Jeffrey]

When this is understood and an emotion arises, it can takes us back to our true nature.
We will see that Negative emotions never existed in the first place.


Tony

And what about negative actions?

[Tony]

When this is understood and an emotion arises, it can takes us back to our true nature.
We will see that Negative emotions never existed in the first place.


Tony

And what about negative actions?


If we do not see and know the true nature of a negative emotion, and just react with a negative action, we create much negative karma for ourselves.
That is the cause of our suffering. By the time we engaged in negative action, we are well and truly caught up in self-centred, self-cherishing solid feeling "I".

Instead of everything feeling lighter and lighter, it feels heavier and heavier.



All the best,
Tony

[Jeffrey]

When this is understood and an emotion arises, it can takes us back to our true nature.
We will see that Negative emotions never existed in the first place.


Tony

And what about negative actions?


If we do not see and know the true nature of a negative emotion, and just react with a negative action, we create much negative karma for ourselves.
That is the cause of our suffering. By the time we engaged in negative action, we are well and truly caught up in self-centred, self-cherishing solid feeling "I".

Instead of everything feeling lighter and lighter, it feels heavier and heavier.



All the best,
Tony

Negative karma for our True Nature?

[Tony]

When this is understood and an emotion arises, it can takes us back to our true nature.
We will see that Negative emotions never existed in the first place.


Tony

And what about negative actions?


If we do not see and know the true nature of a negative emotion, and just react with a negative action, we create much negative karma for ourselves.
That is the cause of our suffering. By the time we engaged in negative action, we are well and truly caught up in self-centred, self-cherishing solid feeling "I".

Instead of everything feeling lighter and lighter, it feels heavier and heavier.



All the best,
Tony

Negative karma for our True Nature?


Recognising the true nature of Negative emotions can take us back to our true nature!

This is a huge subject, which I will gladly explain, but here is a taster.

ESSENCE------------$$$££££?????MIND????££££$$$$-----------SENSES---------------GLASS OF DIRTY WATER.

$$$££££??????represents our thoughts and emotions, about the dirty glass of water, these cloud our clarity of Essence. IF, we know our true nature as emptiness (pure) and we know the glass has no true existence, and we know that thoughts and emotions have no true existence, but there is still an "I" present, that energy from the emotion brightens the mind up (illuminates).

At the moment we can either get angry at the dirty water, or see that, that which is aware (Essence) simply is aware. The wisdom present then is Mirror-like wisdom, it just reflects. That is a quality of one's true nature, there are others! Our consciousness (our mind) can either look out and continue to react to phenomena as if it is real, or look in and realise it's Essence.

Anything that appears in the mind can be seen like that. So our reactions is our teacher, ALL phenomena is our symbolic teacher. This takes us onto the two truths, relative and absolute, one seeming to be real, the other real. They work nicely together as a unity. One reveals the other.

I hope that does not confuse!

Tony

[The Truth Is In There]

i think without addiction reincarnation wouldn't work. so it's not a human or "physical" trait. souls are addicted to the human experience - to try new things, to right wrongs, you name it. without addiction there's no point to existence. what's important is to keep in control.

[Tony]

i think without addiction reincarnation wouldn't work. so it's not a human or "physical" trait. souls are addicted to the human experience - to try new things, to right wrongs, you name it. without addiction there's no point to existence. what's important is to keep in control.

Dear TTIIT

Unfortunately, our addictions may cause us to be reborn in a not-so-suitable body, and therefore suffer even more. In trying to right wrongs, we could actually be making things worse! We can't take for granted that we will have a human incarnation next time...

It is our addiction to the mental image of ourselves that keeps us reincarnating, and caught in the vicious cycle of existence of ups and downs, happiness and misery - which are all temporary experiences. Our true nature is beyond all this, but that's for every individual to discover in their own way.

If you consider the number of sentient beings on this planet, you will see how rare a human incarnation is. And even more rare is anyone who is seeking the truth.
This moment is extremely precious.

Tony