The original Jews

[humanalien]

No matter how you look at it, Israel aka Jews, seem to have their
hands in every evil act being committed on this planet.

I ask myself, why a people that are so loved by God, being so
evil in about everything they do.

Now! I'm not here to fight anyone about the jews. I know what i
know and my mind won't be changed but i do have to ask if the
jews in israel are in-fact real jews.

Rumors have been going around for years the the original jews of
the bible were in-fact black people. As you can see, most jews in
israel, america and any other countries where they live, are all,
pretty much white people or maybe olive skinned would be closer
to the truth.

Forgive me for not knowing the bible very well but didn't God have
all the original jews chased out of israel at one point in their history?

Maybe some other white tribes moved in and took over israel and
perverted their religion and called it their own.

Anyway, here's a post that may bring some light to the subject. What
are your feelings about it?

Original Biblical Jews were a Black African people
http://religiouscrossroads.tribe.net/thread/d2844545-c82d-403c-b6b9-79357df761a4

[the_vast_mystery]

Hello, please understand that as was your last post on Obama, this one is loaded with all sorts of unconsciously regurgitated racism. Please, please stop, you are making us all look terrible. Sincerely - Me. <333

[Kano]

I understand what you mean about it seeming as though Jews have their hands in all evil on this planet. On the surface this does seem true. In fact what I think happened (as you alluded) is that Judaism was infiltrated back in the days of the Old Testament. Since then Jews and the Jewish faith has been used as a scapegoat in order push many major world agendas. However, every Jewish person I know is of wonderful moral character.

I'm not sure what your last post on Obama was, but I do not find your OP to be racist at all. You pose legitimate hard-hitting questions that need to be asked about the state of Israel. I'm quite tired of the tip-toeing around whenever the subject of Jewry is at the forefront of a conversation.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Some particular jews, would be more accurate dear man, i am aquainted to some very hippie like politically active jews ( i call them israeli by the way), they kind of prefer to be called that, and they hate the way their own country is run and how that reflects on them. ( its a family, we have kind of adopted eachother as fellow human beings)

They are also very much so past the left versus right issue which is total bs all by its self.

All of them have been in the military and non of them enjoyed the experience, well ok, one of them did and he is kinda special, but he is one of the most responsable people i know, also one of the smartest.

They had no say in their Jewishness or whatever you might call it, they are just born from a jewish mother who fled Germany after the war ( she survived Treblinka as one of the few)

Father survived Dachau and they had no place to go but Israel since nobody would grand them asylum ( everybody was sort of busy licking their own warwounds).

You might want to read EXODUS by Leon Uris............... its old and filled with pro Israel propaganda but very enlightning by any means, maybe they have it in a library near your home, have a go at it, it cant hurt you one bit;)

Ps, not so long ago the first black jews were airlifted into Israel from Jemen and beyond and they are very much discriminated against, the african jews do not have an easy life at all in Israel.

[the_vast_mystery]

This, was said:

Any time a black man or woman doesn't get what they want, they
play the racism card, whether it's true or not. Then they get a whole
bunch of black folks all pissed off because they think racism is
involved.

humanalien, when making arguments of this nature, especial care MUST be paid to the language used so as not to unjustly disparage any unassociated persons. As such Israel should be referred to as Israel, Goldman Sachs and Lloyd Blankfein as Goldman Sachs and Lloyd Blankfein. If one wishes to accuse the entire Jewish Religion or Jewish ethnicity of conspiracy then I expect a mountain of CAUSATIVE evidence to be presented so as to lay bare how this is an actually sound accusation and not yet another exercise in racial scapegoating. It does not matter if you do not intend racial animosity when the language used is ripe with it. This is why I give the benefit of the doubt and say it's likely unconsciously regurgitated racism. Since I'm sure you're not aware of how such blanket accusations are perceived as such by the majority of the world. However, they are, and by playing to the stereotype of an upset racist using conspiracy theories to justify their racial animosity you fall right into the establishment's hands by making not just yourself but all of us look guilty by association of utter crack-pottery.

Yes we can say that certain people in powerful places do happen to be Jewish however if you want to implicate them as a group for being Jewish than causative evidence MUST be presented to show how in specific their Jewish ethnicity or Jewish religion is the determining factor in their involvement within a conspiracy. If it just so happens that a large number of Jewish peoples are involved in such conspiracies then implicating them as a group for being Jewish is an erroneous classification as it does not advance even the slightest our ability to process how said conspiracy came together. Correlation is not causation and it is for that reason that until direct causative evidence can be presented which implicates their faith or their ethnicity as being critical deciding factors, that anyone who wishes to make this argument should keep it to themselves until such evidence is acquired. It'd be like trying to convince people that Einstein was wrong on the speed of light, just one experiment isn't going to do it, you need a mountain of data (results) to show it. So to, if you wish to make such a heavily discredited claim of racial conspiracy you must be willing to provide that same mountain of evidence lest you wish to be dismissed as a racist crackpot. It's not fair, but it's just what is, and by making these tired arguments in public on this forum without this evidence it implicates us all as racist crackpots merely by association.

This is not to say you are, but this is the image put forth and if you care even slightly about the truth you will care about making sure you are listened to and that means making sure you do not appear that way when presenting your arguments. So please, just consider this advice heavily and move on. I'm not going to say anything further other than this is as nice of a way I can tell you these things. :)

[mountain_jim]

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[Billy]

No matter how you look at it, Israel aka Jews, seem to have their
hands in every evil act being committed on this planet.



I am taking your comment to mean the Israeli Government/leaders and not the Israeli people. The people of Israel are in the majority peaceful loving people.

Are all the people of Iraq evil just because of Saddam and his henchmen. No.

Also remember in the beginning of humanity as we have today, there were many tribes from different bloodlines and genetics associated with one nation.


Please do not tar everyone with the same brush.

peace

[Kano]

This, was said:

Any time a black man or woman doesn't get what they want, they
play the racism card, whether it's true or not. Then they get a whole
bunch of black folks all pissed off because they think racism is
involved.


humanalien, when making arguments of this nature, especial care MUST be paid to the language used so as not to unjustly disparage any unassociated persons. As such Israel should be referred to as Israel, Goldman Sachs and Lloyd Blankfein as Goldman Sachs and Lloyd Blankfein. If one wishes to accuse the entire Jewish Religion or Jewish ethnicity of conspiracy then I expect a mountain of CAUSATIVE evidence to be presented so as to lay bare how this is an actually sound accusation and not yet another exercise in racial scapegoating. It does not matter if you do not intend racial animosity when the language used is ripe with it. This is why I give the benefit of the doubt and say it's likely unconsciously regurgitated racism. Since I'm sure you're not aware of how such blanket accusations are perceived as such by the majority of the world. However, they are, and by playing to the stereotype of an upset racist using conspiracy theories to justify their racial animosity you fall right into the establishment's hands by making not just yourself but all of us look guilty by association of utter crack-pottery.

Yes we can say that certain people in powerful places do happen to be Jewish however if you want to implicate them as a group for being Jewish than causative evidence MUST be presented to show how in specific their Jewish ethnicity or Jewish religion is the determining factor in their involvement within a conspiracy. If it just so happens that a large number of Jewish peoples are involved in such conspiracies then implicating them as a group for being Jewish is an erroneous classification as it does not advance even the slightest our ability to process how said conspiracy came together. Correlation is not causation and it is for that reason that until direct causative evidence can be presented which implicates their faith or their ethnicity as being critical deciding factors, that anyone who wishes to make this argument should keep it to themselves until such evidence is acquired. It'd be like trying to convince people that Einstein was wrong on the speed of light, just one experiment isn't going to do it, you need a mountain of data (results) to show it. So to, if you wish to make such a heavily discredited claim of racial conspiracy you must be willing to provide that same mountain of evidence lest you wish to be dismissed as a racist crackpot. It's not fair, but it's just what is, and by making these tired arguments in public on this forum without this evidence it implicates us all as racist crackpots merely be association.

This is not to say you are, but this is the image put forth and if you care even slightly about the truth you will care about making sure you are listened to and that means making sure you do not appear that way when presenting your arguments. So please, just consider this advice heavily and move on. I'm not going to say anything further other than this is as nice of a way I can tell you these things. :)

With all due respect and since we want to use the words we mean, I disagree that being Jewish categorizes one into a specific race. There are many different races of people that are of the Jewish faith. Strictly speaking, Jewish is a religion. Race is a practice of self-identification which is why science does not recognize it as having scientific meaning or validity.

[the_vast_mystery]

With all due respect and since we want to use the words we mean, I disagree that being Jewish categorizes one into a specific race. There are many different races of people that are of the Jewish faith. Strictly speaking, Jewish is a religion. Race is a practice of self-identification which is why science does not recognize it as having scientific meaning or validity.

It is considered both actually (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews), just like how you can be born into wealth or acquire it during your life. However when using the word "Jew" it tends to refer to the racial classification more than the religious classification although it's subtly meant to implicate both.

[Kano]

With all due respect and since we want to use the words we mean, I disagree that being Jewish categorizes one into a specific race. There are many different races of people that are of the Jewish faith. Strictly speaking, Jewish is a religion. Race is a practice of self-identification which is why science does not recognize it as having scientific meaning or validity.

It is considered both actually (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews), just like how you can be born into wealth or acquire it during your life. However when using the word "Jew" it tends to refer to the racial classification more than the religious classification although it's subtly meant to implicate both.

Thanks for the link. What I read there was that if you can call Jewish anything other than a religion, it would be an ethnoreligious group (a certain kind of ethnicity). Yes? If so, ethnicity is about learned cultural behaviors which gives us the ability to identify the difference of a caucasian person (their race) from Canada vs England vs Norway. Race as such does not give us that ability. Therefore calling Jews a race seems to be quite incorrect since we could not tell the difference by sight alone.

[humanalien]

No matter how you look at it, Israel aka Jews, seem to have their
hands in every evil act being committed on this planet.



I am taking your comment to mean the Israeli Government/leaders and not the Israeli people. The people of Israel are in the majority peaceful loving people.

Are all the people of Iraq evil just because of Saddam and his henchmen. No.

Also remember in the beginning of humanity as we have today, there were many tribes from different bloodlines and genetics associated with one nation.


Please do not tar everyone with the same brush.

peace

Thank-you for letting the people know what i meant by my comment about israelies,
Of course, i didn't mean that all the people of israel are bad people, just the ones in
charge.

[humanalien]

I understand what you mean about it seeming as though Jews have their hands in all evil on this planet. On the surface this does seem true. In fact what I think happened (as you alluded) is that Judaism was infiltrated back in the days of the Old Testament. Since then Jews and the Jewish faith has been used as a scapegoat in order push many major world agendas. However, every Jewish person I know is of wonderful moral character.

I'm not sure what your last post on Obama was, but I do not find your OP to be racist at all. You pose legitimate hard-hitting questions that need to be asked about the state of Israel. I'm quite tired of the tip-toeing around whenever the subject of Jewry is at the forefront of a conversation.

Thank-you for that. It wasn't meant to be racist but some people just love
playing the racist card to stir up trouble.

The comments i made are my opinions alone but it wasn't meant to take
center stage of this discussion. I was looking for your responses about the
article that i linked to. The question is, were black african's the original
tribes of israel or do you believe that the people currently living there are
the original tribes of israel?

I'm not that well versed in the kj bible but i thought i read that the original
israelies were driven from israel by God for the sins that they committed but
God promised to bring them back to israel some day.

Did this already happen? Have the original israelies already been brought back
to their home land or have they not yet returned?

[Mark]

The story of the Khazars and their adoption of the Hebrew religion is well known among many here in this forum. There are many websites that speak of it, history documents it, and the subsequent formation of the Roman Cult.

There are other, older and VERY long threads - a good proportion of the people who engaged in those discussions are no longer here for various reasons - that talk about this issue but this is the first, I think, that asks the question about who the Jews were who migrated North into Khazaria and whose religion was made the state-religion of an entirely new ethnic group, forming the foundation of what would become Western Civilization.

Hebrew is an afro-asiatic language (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-Asiatic_languages#Distribution_and_branches). Period. Not Indo-European. It only makes sense that those who initiated the language were of a darker hue.

This is not hate in any way shape or form, just historical and linguistic truth.

The Falafa (Ethiopian) Jews have already been mentioned. The Lemba, in southern Africa, also have Jewish heritage, the genetic tests have been done. Generally, in the tribes of Ashkenazi and Sephardim, the most genetic evidence of Jewish DNA is in the Cohen or priestly line. The same holds true for the Lemba. If I recall correctly, the amounts are about the same (between 8 and 15% Jewish DNA). Most people today claiming Jewish heritage hold nowhere near that percentage of the original DNA.

There were 12 tribes of Israel, not just one. The rest were diffused all across the world. So there is no telling who all holds the genetic imprint and mandate of this Sumerian/Palestinian diety, Enlil/Jehovah.

Do your research. Check out the academic articles, not the political one. The one you posted up is Afrocentric in nature, which is, in large part, political. There is no direct linkage between African-Americans and Judaism that has ever been shown to my satisifaction.

[HORIZONS]

I am sure that many here will not like this, but here ya go anyway~ Romans 11:1 "I ask then, Has God cast off His People? No, indeed. Why, I myself am an Israelite, of the posterity of Abraham and of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God has not cast off His People whom He knew beforehand. Or are you ignorant of what Scripture says in speaking of Elijah--how he pleaded with God against Israel, saying, 3 "Lord, they have put Thy Prophets to death, and have overthrown Thy altars; and, now that I alone remain, they are thirsting for my blood"? 4 But what did God say to him in reply? "I have reserved for Myself 7,000 men who have never bent the knee to Baal." 5 In the same way also at the present time there has come to be a remnant whom God in His grace has selected. 6 But if it is in His grace that He has selected them, then His choice is no longer determined by human actions. Otherwise grace would be grace no longer. 7 How then does the matter stand? It stands thus. That which Israel are in earnest pursuit of, they have not obtained; but God's chosen servants have obtained it, and the rest have become hardened. 8 And so Scripture says, "God has given them a spirit of drowsiness--eyes to see nothing with and ears to hear nothing with--even until now." 9 And David says, "Let their very food become a snare and a trap to them, a stumbling-block and a retribution. 10 Let darkness come over their eyes that they may be unable to see, and make Thou their backs continually to stoop." 11 I ask, however, "Have they stumbled so as to be finally ruined?" No, indeed; but by their lapse salvation has come to the Gentiles in order to arouse the jealousy of the descendants of Israel; 12 and if their lapse is the enriching of the world, and their overthrow the enriching of the Gentiles, will not still greater good follow their restoration? 13 But to you Gentiles I say that, since I am an Apostle specially sent to the Gentiles, I take pride in my ministry, 14 trying whether I can succeed in rousing my own countrymen to jealousy and thus save some of them. 15 For if their having been cast aside has carried with it the reconciliation of the world, what will their being accepted again be but Life out of death? 16 Now if the firstfruits of the dough are holy, so also is the whole mass; and if the root of a tree is holy, so also are the branches. 17 And if some of the branches have been pruned away, and you, although you were but a wild olive, have been grafted in among them and have become a sharer with others in the rich sap of the root of the olive tree, 18 beware of glorying over the natural branches. Or if you are so glorying, do not forget that it is not you who uphold the root: the root upholds you. 19 "Branches have been lopped off," you will say, "for the sake of my being grafted in." 20 This is true; yet it was their unbelief that cut them off, and you only stand through your faith. 21 Do not be puffed up with pride. Tremble rather--for if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will He spare you. 22 Notice therefore God's kindness and God's severity. On those who have fallen His severity has descended, but upon you His kindness has come, provided that you do not cease to respond to that kindness. Otherwise you will be cut off also. 23 Moreover, if they turn from their unbelief, they too will be grafted in. For God is powerful enough to graft them in again; 24 and if you were cut from that which by nature is a wild olive and contrary to nature were grafted into the good olive tree, how much more certainly will these natural branches be grafted on their own olive tree? 25 For there is a truth, brethren, not revealed hitherto, of which I do not wish to leave you in ignorance, for fear you should attribute superior wisdom to yourselves--the truth, I mean, that partial blindness has fallen upon Israel until the great mass of the Gentiles have come in; 26 and so all Israel will be saved. As is declared in Scripture, "From Mount Zion a Deliverer will come: He will remove all ungodliness from Jacob; 27 and this shall be My Covenant with them; when I have taken away their sins." 28 In relation to the Good News, the Jews are God's enemies for your sakes; but in relation to God's choice they are dearly loved for the sake of their forefathers. 29 For God does not repent of His free gifts nor of His call; 30 but just as you were formerly disobedient to Him, but now have received mercy at a time when they are disobedient, 31 so now they also have been disobedient at a time when you are receiving mercy; so that to them too there may now be mercy. 32 For God has locked up all in the prison of unbelief, that upon all alike He may have mercy. 33 Oh, how inexhaustible are God's resources and God's wisdom and God's knowledge! How impossible it is to search into His decrees or trace His footsteps! 34 "Who has ever known the mind of the Lord, or shared His counsels?" 35 "Who has first given God anything, so as to receive payment in return?" 36 For the universe owes its origin to Him, was created by Him, and has its aim and purpose in Him. To Him be the glory throughout the Ages! Amen."

[D-Day]

Personally, I feel Michael Tsarion's research and theories regarding the origins of the Jewish people and Judeo Chrisianity make A LOT of sense.

Here's a short video documentary where he discusses the topic at hand in quite a bit of detail...

Michael Tsarion - Biblical Deception: Egypt, Jews, and Jesus.
mtH2eSpjosA

[the_vast_mystery]

Thank-you for that. It wasn't meant to be racist but some people just love
playing the racist card to stir up trouble.

Allow me to show you how your own argument works against you. This is the Bizzaro-world version of your original post by Alienhuman, an ardent skeptic.


No matter how you look at it, crackpot Christians, seem to have their
hands in every evil act being committed on this planet.

I ask myself, why a people that claim to represent a loving God, defining their
entire religious practice based on which groups of humans they hate and want to suffer?

Now! I'm not here to fight anyone about their Lord and savior. I know what i
know and my mind won't be changed but i do have to ask if the Catholics, or really any
Christians in Dominionist or Evangelical sects are in-fact real Christians at all!

Rumors have been going around for years the the original Jesus of
the bible was kind and preached tolerance and in-fact taught personal empowerment and not blind subservience.
As you can see, most Christians in America and any other countries where they live, are all,
pretty much without exception blind adherents to central authority;
an authority which commands they violently hate Atheists, Gays, women seeking to control their bodies,
anyone defying gender-norms, and just about anyone of foreign birth.

Forgive me for not knowing the bible very well but didn't Rome have
all the original Christians killed in one form or another at one point in their history before the council of Nicea?

Maybe Constantine killed all real Christians, perverted their religion and called it Rome's own?

Do you perhaps see how the above is easily misconstrued and considered immensely offensive? Isn't it the goal of anyone devoted to truth to ensure their message is well-received?


The comments i made are my opinions alone but it wasn't meant to take
center stage of this discussion.

Intent is invisible to most human beings. Whether or not that was your intent that is not how it will be read by others and by making those comments you play to an obvious TPB stereotype of the upset racist conspiracy theorist. I even said it's most likely a misunderstanding but it's still a misunderstanding that must be addressed. Every single person who acknowledges or wishes to support anything you have just said is now themselves tainted with the specter of racism merely for the association you have given. It does not matter if it's not fair or it's not true, that's just how it will be seen. Whether you'll admit to it or not, image matters when image is all most people are willing to see. If your goal is to actually spread a true message then that message must be crafted effectively to permeate people's perceptions. This means acknowledging stereotypes and working around them to show how you are not this person they might think you are. Again, Martin Luther King Jr; it wasn't fair he had to fight being perceived as a violent animal for the color of his skin. Still, he did, and he won. So ask yourself this, what do you REALLY care about? Do you just want to waste your time spouting off whatever you think online to vent, or do you want people to actually listen to what you have to say and consider it seriously? Because if you want others to take you seriously you must first take yourself seriously and that means being willing to not just speak but listen and adapt your message to fit the audience (The General public) and not just whoever happens to agree with you already.


I was looking for your responses about the
article that i linked to. The question is, were black african's the original
tribes of israel or do you believe that the people currently living there are
the original tribes of israel?

If that was all you really wanted then you could delete your original first three paragraphs of your first post, I'll remove my posts and we'll start this thread all over. If that's really what you want I think it'd be a great way to start this whole thing over by editing our posts to take out the specific parts which might've caused offense. :)


I'm not that well versed in the kj bible but i thought i read that the original
israelies were driven from israel by God for the sins that they committed but
God promised to bring them back to israel some day.

Did this already happen? Have the original israelies already been brought back
to their home land or have they not yet returned?

If you really don't know these things very well it's probably not the best idea to form your own conclusions about them until you have all of the data. It'll keep misunderstandings to a minimum, especially if you can use academic language while discussing such things. Just my two cents. :)

[Mark]

That's a pretty extreme view Tsarion put forth. I don't know about it from my research over the years except for the Bible Code. I do remember looking into that quite a while back. It does indeed appear that there is a code in the original Hebrew version of the Torah/Pentauch. I'm only 15 minutes into it but it immediately puts me in mind of this:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYHcGpR7wd8
source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYHcGpR7wd8

I don't know the truth of any of this, Tsarion's contention that none of the characters exist in the timeframe that history states they did does make a kind of sense in that the bible's timeline is obviously artificial. So perhaps the same people mentioned in the bible - Tsarion's talking about Jesus primarily so far - did indeed actually live over 1,000 years earlier. It is certainly interesting to consider.

[modwiz]

I am sure that many here will not like this, but here ya go anyway~ Romans 11:1 "I ask then, Has God cast off His People? No, indeed. Why, I myself am an Israelite, of the posterity of Abraham and of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God has not cast off His People whom He knew beforehand. Or are you ignorant of what Scripture says in speaking of Elijah--how he pleaded with God against Israel, saying, 3 "Lord, they have put Thy Prophets to death, and have overthrown Thy altars; and, now that I alone remain, they are thirsting for my blood"? 4 But what did God say to him in reply? "I have reserved for Myself 7,000 men who have never bent the knee to Baal." 5 In the same way also at the present time there has come to be a remnant whom God in His grace has selected. 6 But if it is in His grace that He has selected them, then His choice is no longer determined by human actions. Otherwise grace would be grace no longer. 7 How then does the matter stand? It stands thus. That which Israel are in earnest pursuit of, they have not obtained; but God's chosen servants have obtained it, and the rest have become hardened. 8 And so Scripture says, "God has given them a spirit of drowsiness--eyes to see nothing with and ears to hear nothing with--even until now." 9 And David says, "Let their very food become a snare and a trap to them, a stumbling-block and a retribution. 10 Let darkness come over their eyes that they may be unable to see, and make Thou their backs continually to stoop." 11 I ask, however, "Have they stumbled so as to be finally ruined?" No, indeed; but by their lapse salvation has come to the Gentiles in order to arouse the jealousy of the descendants of Israel; 12 and if their lapse is the enriching of the world, and their overthrow the enriching of the Gentiles, will not still greater good follow their restoration? 13 But to you Gentiles I say that, since I am an Apostle specially sent to the Gentiles, I take pride in my ministry, 14 trying whether I can succeed in rousing my own countrymen to jealousy and thus save some of them. 15 For if their having been cast aside has carried with it the reconciliation of the world, what will their being accepted again be but Life out of death? 16 Now if the firstfruits of the dough are holy, so also is the whole mass; and if the root of a tree is holy, so also are the branches. 17 And if some of the branches have been pruned away, and you, although you were but a wild olive, have been grafted in among them and have become a sharer with others in the rich sap of the root of the olive tree, 18 beware of glorying over the natural branches. Or if you are so glorying, do not forget that it is not you who uphold the root: the root upholds you. 19 "Branches have been lopped off," you will say, "for the sake of my being grafted in." 20 This is true; yet it was their unbelief that cut them off, and you only stand through your faith. 21 Do not be puffed up with pride. Tremble rather--for if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will He spare you. 22 Notice therefore God's kindness and God's severity. On those who have fallen His severity has descended, but upon you His kindness has come, provided that you do not cease to respond to that kindness. Otherwise you will be cut off also. 23 Moreover, if they turn from their unbelief, they too will be grafted in. For God is powerful enough to graft them in again; 24 and if you were cut from that which by nature is a wild olive and contrary to nature were grafted into the good olive tree, how much more certainly will these natural branches be grafted on their own olive tree? 25 For there is a truth, brethren, not revealed hitherto, of which I do not wish to leave you in ignorance, for fear you should attribute superior wisdom to yourselves--the truth, I mean, that partial blindness has fallen upon Israel until the great mass of the Gentiles have come in; 26 and so all Israel will be saved. As is declared in Scripture, "From Mount Zion a Deliverer will come: He will remove all ungodliness from Jacob; 27 and this shall be My Covenant with them; when I have taken away their sins." 28 In relation to the Good News, the Jews are God's enemies for your sakes; but in relation to God's choice they are dearly loved for the sake of their forefathers. 29 For God does not repent of His free gifts nor of His call; 30 but just as you were formerly disobedient to Him, but now have received mercy at a time when they are disobedient, 31 so now they also have been disobedient at a time when you are receiving mercy; so that to them too there may now be mercy. 32 For God has locked up all in the prison of unbelief, that upon all alike He may have mercy. 33 Oh, how inexhaustible are God's resources and God's wisdom and God's knowledge! How impossible it is to search into His decrees or trace His footsteps! 34 "Who has ever known the mind of the Lord, or shared His counsels?" 35 "Who has first given God anything, so as to receive payment in return?" 36 For the universe owes its origin to Him, was created by Him, and has its aim and purpose in Him. To Him be the glory throughout the Ages! Amen."

Paul is playing loose with the facts, a proclivity of his. The tribe of Benjamin was a Judahan, not Israeli tribe. The kingdom of Judah was a part of Israel during the reign of Saul (a Benjaminite) David and Solomon. After that they were always separate kingdoms. After the dissolution of the kingdom of Israel by the Assyrians 2.75 thousand years ago there was then only the Kingdom of Judah left. The common people left in the land that was formerly Israel were no considered legitimate in the eyes of the Judahans because they did not worship in Jerusalem at the temple. Samaria and Samaritans are featured in the NT. The story of the good Samaritan is it. Reading that passage within this light if very informative of the rift between Israel and Judah. Jesus and his family were from the tribes of the Kingdom of Judah. It was the tribe of Judah and Benjamin that formed that kingdom, with the Levites as an addition. So, Paul as a member of Benjamin claiming to be Israeli is historically incorrect unless he was writing his epistle(letter) during the brief period of union between these two kingdoms. Perhaps he identified with King Saul, Pauls' former name and took some liberties. Paul had a way of not worrying about facts.

T
he Ten Tribes of the Northern Kingdom

Of the 12 tribes, ten eventually split off at the end of King Solomon's reign and became the Northern Kingdom of Israel. The ten were as follows:

Reuben
Simeon
Dan
Naphtali
Gad
Asher
Issachar
Zebulun
Ephraim
Manasseh
The Southern Kingdom of Judah
Judah and Benjamin became known as the Southern Kingdom of Judah. The Cohanim (Priests) of the Tribe of Levi were mainly present in the Land of the Tribes of Judah and Benjamin, but they (Levi) nor Simeon received land inheritance because of their actions at Shechem (Genesis 49:5-7), but were instead scattered in the midst of both Kingdoms.

Judah
Benjamin
Levi (technically scattered and present in both Kingdoms, but mostly attributed to and present in the Southern Kingdom)
http://jewsandjoes.com/blog/what-tribes-made-up-the-northern-kingdom-of-israel/

[modwiz]

I am sure that many here will not like this, but here ya go anyway~ Romans 11:1 "I ask then, Has God cast off His People? No, indeed. Why, I myself am an Israelite, of the posterity of Abraham and of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God has not cast off His People whom He knew beforehand. Or are you ignorant of what Scripture says in speaking of Elijah--how he pleaded with God against Israel, saying, 3 "Lord, they have put Thy Prophets to death, and have overthrown Thy altars; and, now that I alone remain, they are thirsting for my blood"? 4 But what did God say to him in reply? "I have reserved for Myself 7,000 men who have never bent the knee to Baal." 5 In the same way also at the present time there has come to be a remnant whom God in His grace has selected. 6 But if it is in His grace that He has selected them, then His choice is no longer determined by human actions. Otherwise grace would be grace no longer. 7 How then does the matter stand? It stands thus. That which Israel are in earnest pursuit of, they have not obtained; but God's chosen servants have obtained it, and the rest have become hardened. 8 And so Scripture says, "God has given them a spirit of drowsiness--eyes to see nothing with and ears to hear nothing with--even until now." 9 And David says, "Let their very food become a snare and a trap to them, a stumbling-block and a retribution. 10 Let darkness come over their eyes that they may be unable to see, and make Thou their backs continually to stoop." 11 I ask, however, "Have they stumbled so as to be finally ruined?" No, indeed; but by their lapse salvation has come to the Gentiles in order to arouse the jealousy of the descendants of Israel; 12 and if their lapse is the enriching of the world, and their overthrow the enriching of the Gentiles, will not still greater good follow their restoration? 13 But to you Gentiles I say that, since I am an Apostle specially sent to the Gentiles, I take pride in my ministry, 14 trying whether I can succeed in rousing my own countrymen to jealousy and thus save some of them. 15 For if their having been cast aside has carried with it the reconciliation of the world, what will their being accepted again be but Life out of death? 16 Now if the firstfruits of the dough are holy, so also is the whole mass; and if the root of a tree is holy, so also are the branches. 17 And if some of the branches have been pruned away, and you, although you were but a wild olive, have been grafted in among them and have become a sharer with others in the rich sap of the root of the olive tree, 18 beware of glorying over the natural branches. Or if you are so glorying, do not forget that it is not you who uphold the root: the root upholds you. 19 "Branches have been lopped off," you will say, "for the sake of my being grafted in." 20 This is true; yet it was their unbelief that cut them off, and you only stand through your faith. 21 Do not be puffed up with pride. Tremble rather--for if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will He spare you. 22 Notice therefore God's kindness and God's severity. On those who have fallen His severity has descended, but upon you His kindness has come, provided that you do not cease to respond to that kindness. Otherwise you will be cut off also. 23 Moreover, if they turn from their unbelief, they too will be grafted in. For God is powerful enough to graft them in again; 24 and if you were cut from that which by nature is a wild olive and contrary to nature were grafted into the good olive tree, how much more certainly will these natural branches be grafted on their own olive tree? 25 For there is a truth, brethren, not revealed hitherto, of which I do not wish to leave you in ignorance, for fear you should attribute superior wisdom to yourselves--the truth, I mean, that partial blindness has fallen upon Israel until the great mass of the Gentiles have come in; 26 and so all Israel will be saved. As is declared in Scripture, "From Mount Zion a Deliverer will come: He will remove all ungodliness from Jacob; 27 and this shall be My Covenant with them; when I have taken away their sins." 28 In relation to the Good News, the Jews are God's enemies for your sakes; but in relation to God's choice they are dearly loved for the sake of their forefathers. 29 For God does not repent of His free gifts nor of His call; 30 but just as you were formerly disobedient to Him, but now have received mercy at a time when they are disobedient, 31 so now they also have been disobedient at a time when you are receiving mercy; so that to them too there may now be mercy. 32 For God has locked up all in the prison of unbelief, that upon all alike He may have mercy. 33 Oh, how inexhaustible are God's resources and God's wisdom and God's knowledge! How impossible it is to search into His decrees or trace His footsteps! 34 "Who has ever known the mind of the Lord, or shared His counsels?" 35 "Who has first given God anything, so as to receive payment in return?" 36 For the universe owes its origin to Him, was created by Him, and has its aim and purpose in Him. To Him be the glory throughout the Ages! Amen."

The tribe of Benjamin were of the kingdom of Judah. Judah was part of Israel for the first 3 kings only. Interestingly, Saul, the first king, was from the tribe of Benjamin. Paul was also originally named Saul. Once Paul made up his mind facts never bothered him. The scene of a discussion between Paul and the still living Jesus in the movie, The Last Temptation of Christ offers a very interesting dialogue taken from the book written by a Greek Orthodox Christian. By interesting I do not mean factual, although truth is oftimes stranger than fiction, as the alternative community should know better than most.


The Ten Tribes of the Northern Kingdom

Of the 12 tribes, ten eventually split off at the end of King Solomon's reign and became the Northern Kingdom of Israel. The ten were as follows:

Reuben
Simeon
Dan
Naphtali
Gad
Asher
Issachar
Zebulun
Ephraim
Manasseh
The Southern Kingdom of Judah
Judah and Benjamin became known as the Southern Kingdom of Judah. The Cohanim (Priests) of the Tribe of Levi were mainly present in the Land of the Tribes of Judah and Benjamin, but they (Levi) nor Simeon received land inheritance because of their actions at Shechem (Genesis 49:5-7), but were instead scattered in the midst of both Kingdoms.

Judah
Benjamin
Levi (technically scattered and present in both Kingdoms, but mostly attributed to and present in the Southern Kingdom)

[Rocky_Shorz]

No matter how you look at it, Israel aka Jews, seem to have their
hands in every evil act being committed on this planet.

I ask myself, why a people that are so loved by God, being so
evil in about everything they do.

Now! I'm not here to fight anyone about the jews. I know what i
know and my mind won't be changed but i do have to ask if the
jews in israel are in-fact real jews.

Rumors have been going around for years the the original jews of
the bible were in-fact black people. As you can see, most jews in
israel, america and any other countries where they live, are all,
pretty much white people or maybe olive skinned would be closer
to the truth.

Forgive me for not knowing the bible very well but didn't God have
all the original jews chased out of israel at one point in their history?

Maybe some other white tribes moved in and took over israel and
perverted their religion and called it their own.

Anyway, here's a post that may bring some light to the subject. What
are your feelings about it?

Original Biblical Jews were a Black African people
http://religiouscrossroads.tribe.net/thread/d2844545-c82d-403c-b6b9-79357df761a4

I know charles is a dirty word around here, but wasn't it said when the last disaster hit, all but Africa was lifted out of harms way, and hybrid before returning. The only pure human bloodline from that location...

now I myself just see different shades of tan since I get dark enough to be stopped at border checks after some sunshine... ;)

is it possible the original jews came from the stories of the survivors who were left behind and saved the animals they could on a ship...



ducks as a shoe flies over my head...

hey, I'm just saying what if...

[Mark]

I know charles is a dirty word around here, but wasn't it said when the last disaster hit, all but Africa was lifted out of harms way, and hybrid before returning. The only pure human bloodline from that location...

now I myself just see different shades of tan since I get dark enough to be stopped at border checks after some sunshine... ;)

is it possible the original jews came from the stories of the survivors who were left behind and saved the animals they could on a ship...

Now that is very interesting. I've never heard that theory before. The sphinx shows signs of intense erosion by water but I"m not aware of other examples across the continent. Although, come to think of it, Credo Mutwah speaks of the earliest times in Zulu mythology and a time when there was no sun or moon, when only mist covered the world. The fog was so thick you could not see the sky, it was only grey during the day and of course dark at night. People did not talk, they used telepathy back then. No cities, no "civilization". He says that at some point, metal ships came and landed and the Chitauli (Reptilians) disembarked and that was their entry into human history.

[DeDukshyn]

From what I have read, without going through this entire thread, (sorry), the people who claim they are "Jews" an those that "control the world" are not blood Jews -- not real jews at all - they just claim to be ... and part of their goal is to demonize Jews? ... Might be worth looking into ... my 2 cents ;)

Hint ... it was these ruling "Jews" who crucified Christ ... but maybe that was part of the plan? Just give some thought to all this ... research is easy these days ... free thought works ... in the end - who cares?

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No matter how you look at it, Israel aka Jews, seem to have their
hands in every evil act being committed on this planet.

I ask myself, why a people that are so loved by God, being so
evil in about everything they do.

Now! I'm not here to fight anyone about the jews. I know what i
know and my mind won't be changed but i do have to ask if the
jews in israel are in-fact real jews.

Rumors have been going around for years the the original jews of
the bible were in-fact black people. As you can see, most jews in
israel, america and any other countries where they live, are all,
pretty much white people or maybe olive skinned would be closer
to the truth.

Forgive me for not knowing the bible very well but didn't God have
all the original jews chased out of israel at one point in their history?

Maybe some other white tribes moved in and took over israel and
perverted their religion and called it their own.

Anyway, here's a post that may bring some light to the subject. What
are your feelings about it?

Original Biblical Jews were a Black African people
http://religiouscrossroads.tribe.net/thread/d2844545-c82d-403c-b6b9-79357df761a4

I know charles is a dirty word around here, but wasn't it said when the last disaster hit, all but Africa was lifted out of harms way, and hybrid before returning. The only pure human bloodline from that location...

now I myself just see different shades of tan since I get dark enough to be stopped at border checks after some sunshine... ;)

is it possible the original jews came from the stories of the survivors who were left behind and saved the animals they could on a ship...



ducks as a shoe flies over my head...

hey, I'm just saying what if...

Supposedly ... the original 144 were "Jews" ...


IMO Stephen ... "Atticus", had in his possession many truths .. he just didn't understand the info he had ...

[Unified Serenity]

E Raymond Capt has always done excellent research. Here is one of his presentations:

33DC4UatExo

[UnrealDreams]

This is a great article by David Icke on Rothschild zionism which you may find relevant;


http://www.davidicke.com/articles/political-manipulation-mainmenu-72/42734-they-dare-not-speak-its-name-rothschild-zionism

[Lifebringer]

when I was young, they, my community told us, we were the lost tribe of Juda and of the original Jews. Since the arrest of our political activist brothers and sisterrs who traveled and found these truths, they just wish to continue the secret of "who we are and our place in history."' Really a horrible situation, playing with other human's soul maturations and knowledge of self.

Perhaps a strong dose of crazy will meet these evil doers and put them to right.

[Unified Serenity]

Well, call me old fashioned, but I trust the bible, and David was Ruddy complected. There were certain dark skinned people who came into the house of Israel, but the majority of them are ruddy complected which mean blushes:

ruddy [ˈrʌdɪ]adj -dier, -diest1. (of the complexion) having a healthy reddish colour, usually resulting from an outdoor life
2. (Fine Arts & Visual Arts / Colours) coloured red or pink a ruddy sky

adv & adj Informal chiefly Brit (intensifier) bloody; damned a ruddy fool[Old English rudig, from rudu redness (see rudd); related to Old High German rot red1, Swedish rod, Old Norse rythga to make rusty]
ruddily adv
ruddiness n

1Sa 16:12 And he sent, and brought him in. Now he was ruddy, and withal of a beautiful countenance, and goodly to look to. And the LORD said, Arise, anoint him: for this is he.

H132
אדמוני אדמני
'admônı̂y 'admônı̂y
ad-mo-nee', ad-mo-nee'
From H119; reddish (of the hair or the complexion): - red, ruddy.

1Sa 17:42 And when the Philistine looked about, and saw David, he disdained him: for he was but a youth, and ruddy, and of a fair countenance.

I dug up this study: (http://www.anglo-saxonisrael.com/docLanguage/ColorFair.html)
(http://www.anglo-saxonisrael.com/docLanguage/ColorFair.html)
The Color "Fair" or How Fair is Fair?

By Dennis Wright, Shepherd of Zadok

Noah Webster's 1828 American Dictionary of the English Language was produced during the years when the American home, church and school were established upon a Biblical and a patriotic basis. Webster, descended on his mother's side from a Pilgrim Governor, had made important contributions to the American educational system, which had kept the nation upon a Christian Constitutional course for many years. It is not surprising, therefore, that the 1828 American Dictionary should contain the greatest number of Biblical definitions given in any secular volume.
Webster considered "education useless without the Bible."


Through the years, many words and their original fixed definitions have been altered, masked over, and corrupted as this early American foundational dictionary so aptly testifies to. Many of these "modern" definitions, derivatives, and supplemental addendums have worked to the detriment of our once proud Christian society.


Today, we are going to examine just one word in particular, that has great significant value and application to Christian Israel. That word is f-a-i-r. That's right, fair. As I gaze upon my 1828 Webster's dictionary, I see 17 different definitions listed for this adjective. Like most dictionaries, they are listed according to their usage and frequency. Let's examine the #1 slotted definition.


1. FAIR : free from spots; free from a dark hue; white; as a fair skin; a fair complexion. And then there are 16 more.... Don't believe it, Check it for yourself.
Good luck attempting to locate this early essential, and fundamental definition in your "modern" dictionaries, including Webster's! The name of this game is verbal subterfuge, as you will soon find out.
Several other related words are mentioned in today's Bible verses, and they are:


"Ruddy"...The word Adam is translated from a Hebrew word "aw-dawm." (Strong's Concord
ance, #119 and #120)



The word "Adam" means "ruddy" (#120), To SHOW BLOOD (in the face), FLUSH OR TURN ROSEY, BE (made) RED (ruddy)." (As in rosy cheeks or in a blushing face.) This cleary shows that the Hebrew meaning of the word "Adam" is "one who shows blood in the face," identifying him as a WHITE MAN. Adam was ruddy...he could blush...he could show blood in the face... he can turn red in the face due to a fair complexion. Adam was the beginning of the White Race upon this earth. "Fair skin" and "fair countenance" are always associated, Biblically, with white skin and noted accordingly, as you will soon read below.


Therefore the Holy Bible is the History of the White Race; Later to become known as "ANGLO-SAXONS" after Isaac, as the Scriptures relate.

"....IN ISAAC SHALL THY SEED BE CALLED." (Genesis 21:12) (Note that the Jews do NOT recognize the Anglo-Saxons as Israelites despite this prophecy!)
"Sapphire"....in any dictionary reads: The blue color of the gem sapphire. This is used Biblically, in reference to "BLUE EYES," when describing certain "Adamic Men."
The declaration of the Scripture states, "This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him.".... Genesis 5:1
It therefore becomes imperative that we explore, ponder and investigate all we can about the man Adam and his descendants. Our first great clue to understanding the man Adam is to understand the meaning of his name, which we now know. After establishing the proper background, we may then proceed to examine his descendants in the Book of Adam (Bible).



We know the Bible says Jesus was related to David and that our Lord Jesus Christ would descend from David's royal lineage. David was very well known for his fair complexion, very red hair, and crystal blue eyes. So when we read the Biblical descriptions of our various ancesters, Abraham, Sarah, David, Moses, and ultimately Jesus; we know that our Savior passed the royal blue-blood test.


Before we view specific Scriptures verifying the racial validity of our Messiah, Jesus Christ, let us begin by first examining the various branches within the genetic tree. You must first begin with their origin, where it all started, with Adam and his descendants (the Caucasian Race). The Bible is NOT the History of the other races! You will find the beginning of the Anglo-Saxon, Celtic, Germanic, Scandinavian and Kindred People (Caucasians) at Genesis 5:3 and ending at 5:32. This listing takes us to Noah and his 3 sons: Shem, Ham, and Japheth.


Next, we investigate Shem's ancestry, which takes us from Shem to Abram (Abraham). This is located in Genesis 11:10-11:26.
And finally, we establish the racial link between (King) David and Jesus Christ. This ancestral root begins in Matthew 1:1 and continues to verse 16.
The Book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham...(2) Abraham begat Judas and his brethren...(6) And Jesse begat David the king; and David the king begat Solomon...(16). And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

Explore these proofs and others, in the following Passages. Could anything be plainer ?

The Linear Proofs of the Genealogies that Lead to The Christ
Adam to Shem.....Genesis 5:3-5:32
Shem to Abram (Abraham).... Genesis 11:10-11:26
Abraham to Jesus Christ.....Matthew 1:1-16

OLD TESTAMENT REFERENCES
And it came to pass, when he (Abram) was come near to enter into Egypt, that he said unto Sarah his wife, Behold now, I know that thou art a fair woman to look upon......(Gen. 12: 2)



And it came to pass, that when Abram was come into Egypt, the Egyptians beheld the woman (Sarah) that she was very fair.....(Gen. 12: 14)
And the damsel ( Rebekah, Isaac's future wife) was very fair to look upon, a virgin, neither had any man known her:.....(Gen. 24: 16)
"She is my sister: for he ( Abraham) feared to say, She is my wife; lest, said he, the men of the place should kill me for Rebekah; because she was fair to look upon.....(Gen. 26:7)
"..is not her younger sister ( Samson's wife's sister) fairer than she ?"......(Judges 15:2)


"And he sent, and brought him ( David ) in. Now he was ruddy, and withal of a beautiful countenance, and goodly to look at. And the Lord said, Arise anoint him: for this is he.....(1 Sam.16:12)...... Later in the New Testament Jesus said:......"I am the root and the OFFSPRING of David"......( to see the rest of this verse, see NT, (Rev. 22:16). This verse shows JESUS'DIRECT LINEAR descent from David.


"And when the Philistine looked about, and saw David, he disdained him: for he was but a youth, ruddy, and of a fair countenance.".....(1 Sam.17:42)
And it came to pass after this, the Absalom the son of David had a fair sister whose name was Tamar; she was a woman of a fair countenance. Ammon, the son of David loved her..... (2 Sam.13:1)



And unto Absalom ( third son of David) there were born three sons, and one daughter, whose name was Tamar: who was a woman of a fair countenance ....(.2 Sam.14:27)
To bring Vashti the queen before the king ( Ahsauerus) with the crown royal, to shew the people and the princes her beauty: for she was fair to look on.....(Esther 2:2)
And he brought up Hadassah, that is, Esther, his uncle's daughter: for she had neither father nor mother, and the amid was fair and beautiful.....(Esther 2:7)
And in all the land were no women found so fair as the daughters of Job.....(Job 42:15)


Purge me with hyssop, and I shall be clean: wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow.....(Psalm 5:17)



"My beloved is white and ruddy, the chiefest among ten thousand." .....(Song of Solomon 5:10)


"Her Nazarites were purer than snow, they were whiter than milk., they were more ruddy in body than rubies, their polishing was of sapphire.....(Lam 4:7)


Behold, the Assyrian was a cedar in Lebanon with fair branches.....(Ezekiel 31:3)


I have made him fair by the multitude of his branches.....(Ezekiel 31: 9)



New Testament References
"I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the ROOT and the OFFSPRING of David, and the bright and morning star".....(Rev. 22:16)
"I am, Jesus of Nazareth, whom thou persecutest.".....(Acts 22: 8).....Her Nazarites were purer than snow, they were whiter then milk, they were more ruddy in body than rubies their polishing was of sapphire.....(Lam. 4:7...OT)
"This is Jesus the prophet of Nazareth of Galilee."....(Mat. 21: 11)


"And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?".....(Acts 2:7)
"Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve (11 Galilaeans ) , and one of you is a devil?".....(John 6: 70) ...All of the apostles were Galilaeans except Judas Iscariot, who was named after an Edomite town, according to the first century historian Josephus.


"In which time Moses was born, and was exceeding fair."....(Acts 7: 20)


Within the time frame of the last several centuries, great changes have taken place within our Bibles and dictionaries. Changes to particular passages, words and meanings have impaired the quality of the written word and in other cases, obscured the sense of the original language(s). Some words have fallen into disuse; and others simply do NOT reflect the same meaning now, as they once did, when they were first introduced into the older Bible translations.


These very same words are currently being used to reflect a completely different application (i.e. meaning/definition) from that which they were originally intended, when the translation was first undertaken. The effect of these changes is that, many of these words are presently NOT fully understood as to their intended original meaning by the vast majority of the rank and file readership. Most of these readers have only superficial interest and posses limited intellectual curiosity to access a competent commentary, in order to self-discover these hidden truths. Such changes in meaning render blatantly false and entirely dissimilar meanings/definitions than the ones originally intended, thus, hoodwinking the unsuspecting reader. Whenever words are understood in a different sense from that which they were intended, and differ from that of the original languages, then, they will NOT present to the reader the true 'Word of God.' Mistakes in any form of written communication, can be extremely injurious.


My own view of this subject is that any version of the Scriptures being translated for popular use should consist of precise vocabulary words, expressing and reflecting the original sense and primary meaning, which would then suggest, the most common and direct application in popular usage at the time of writing. This primary definition would then introduce the reader to the inherent true meaning of the word, according to the original language. Many suspect words, ( 'fair' for example) in our present translations, fail to do this, and they are glossed over by political correctness and "the doctrines of men."


The vocabulary in our Bibles has both, in the past and present, generated considerable influence in formulating and preserving our national heritage, language, culture, and character. Therefore, in the final analysis, the language of the Scriptures ought to be pure, chaste, simple, and perspicuous, free from words or phrases that mislead or misrepresent the original autographs/authors. It should be 'surgically scrubbed' to remove the complexities of hidden agendas, church politics, and the hands of denominational antichrists.


Now then, once again, please check Noah Webster's 1828 American Dictionary of the English Language, if you truly desire the ultimate truth and the original intent, of the word 'fair'.


The truth will set you free.

[humanalien]

Thank-you for that. It wasn't meant to be racist but some people just love
playing the racist card to stir up trouble.

Allow me to show you how your own argument works against you. This is the Bizzaro-world version of your original post by Alienhuman, an ardent skeptic.


No matter how you look at it, crackpot Christians, seem to have their
hands in every evil act being committed on this planet.

I ask myself, why a people that claim to represent a loving God, defining their
entire religious practice based on which groups of humans they hate and want to suffer?

Now! I'm not here to fight anyone about their Lord and savior. I know what i
know and my mind won't be changed but i do have to ask if the Catholics, or really any
Christians in Dominionist or Evangelical sects are in-fact real Christians at all!

Rumors have been going around for years the the original Jesus of
the bible was kind and preached tolerance and in-fact taught personal empowerment and not blind subservience.
As you can see, most Christians in America and any other countries where they live, are all,
pretty much without exception blind adherents to central authority;
an authority which commands they violently hate Atheists, Gays, women seeking to control their bodies,
anyone defying gender-norms, and just about anyone of foreign birth.

Forgive me for not knowing the bible very well but didn't Rome have
all the original Christians killed in one form or another at one point in their history before the council of Nicea?

Maybe Constantine killed all real Christians, perverted their religion and called it Rome's own?

Do you perhaps see how the above is easily misconstrued and considered immensely offensive? Isn't it the goal of anyone devoted to truth to ensure their message is well-received?


The comments i made are my opinions alone but it wasn't meant to take
center stage of this discussion.

Intent is invisible to most human beings. Whether or not that was your intent that is not how it will be read by others and by making those comments you play to an obvious TPB stereotype of the upset racist conspiracy theorist. I even said it's most likely a misunderstanding but it's still a misunderstanding that must be addressed. Every single person who acknowledges or wishes to support anything you have just said is now themselves tainted with the specter of racism merely for the association you have given. It does not matter if it's not fair or it's not true, that's just how it will be seen. Whether you'll admit to it or not, image matters when image is all most people are willing to see. If your goal is to actually spread a true message then that message must be crafted effectively to permeate people's perceptions. This means acknowledging stereotypes and working around them to show how you are not this person they might think you are. Again, Martin Luther King Jr; it wasn't fair he had to fight being perceived as a violent animal for the color of his skin. Still, he did, and he won. So ask yourself this, what do you REALLY care about? Do you just want to waste your time spouting off whatever you think online to vent, or do you want people to actually listen to what you have to say and consider it seriously? Because if you want others to take you seriously you must first take yourself seriously and that means being willing to not just speak but listen and adapt your message to fit the audience (The General public) and not just whoever happens to agree with you already.


I was looking for your responses about the
article that i linked to. The question is, were black african's the original
tribes of israel or do you believe that the people currently living there are
the original tribes of israel?

If that was all you really wanted then you could delete your original first three paragraphs of your first post, I'll remove my posts and we'll start this thread all over. If that's really what you want I think it'd be a great way to start this whole thing over by editing our posts to take out the specific parts which might've caused offense. :)


I'm not that well versed in the kj bible but i thought i read that the original
israelies were driven from israel by God for the sins that they committed but
God promised to bring them back to israel some day.

Did this already happen? Have the original israelies already been brought back
to their home land or have they not yet returned?

If you really don't know these things very well it's probably not the best idea to form your own conclusions about them until you have all of the data. It'll keep misunderstandings to a minimum, especially if you can use academic language while discussing such things. Just my two cents. :)

And i don't need you or anyone, telling me what to say.
I am human, just like the rest of you and i do make mistakes.
I'm not perfect like some of claim to be...

I made a mistake OK!!! Get over it.....

[Unified Serenity]

The Kenites are the one's who claim to be Jews and are not. They moved into Judea where the tribe of Judah lived when Nebuchadnezzar was terrorizing the world. They fled there, melted into the population, and since they lived in Judea they called themselves Jews along with the Tribe of Judah. They are not Jews. Jesus told them to their face who they were, and they were the scribes and Pharasees who killed the prophets starting with Abel to Zacharias on the portico of Solomon. Kayinites are the sons of Kayin and we translate them to Kenites the sons of Cain. Cain slew Abel. Jesus knew who they were, they are of their father the devil, they are very obedient to him, and they fulfill the negative side of prophecy. They give Judah a very bad name indeed.

Look up the lineage of Adam, Cain is not listed. Look up the curse of Cain, he can not sew seed, he is a tent dweller, and vagabond. He is marked, and they like to mimic the sons of Adam and love changing their names. Look up 1chr 2:55 and you see these are the Kenites the house of Rechab. Then look up Jeremiah 35 and note the instructions and how they obey their father. They do not sew seed, and they do not drink wine and they are tent dwellers and they tell how they moved into Judea. It's all there in the bible if you know how to study it. This is one of the greatest secrets in the bible. Only two churches were approved of in Revelation and they taught who the Kenites were.

The parable of the wheat and tares is directly related to them as is the fig tree. It is imperative to learn those parables and understand them if you are going to understand who is behind which schemes in the last days.

I did a much more in depth study on the nasty Kenites which you can read about on this forum. I could repost it, but if you enjoy being a detective start out as I outlined above and prove it to yourself. They Killed Yeshua because he exposed them openly as the sons of Cain.

[Mark]

Adam was the beginning of the white race on this earth? That's what you believe US? That everybody in the old testament in reference to the Holy Land, Africa, was white?

[the_vast_mystery]

And i don't need you or anyone, telling me what to say.
I am human, just like the rest of you and i do make mistakes.
I'm not perfect like some of claim to be...

I made a mistake OK!!! Get over it.....

Oh, so were you lying when you said that all you really wanted was a discussion about the article you linked? I offered a quick suggestion that would put the thread back on track as you said you wanted it to be; apparently you'd prefer to stand by your original words and speak your mind. That's perfectly fine, but I also have every right to speak mine. I only care because in this one case your words affect far more than just you. But yes, let's just say it was a mistake (which you were aware of since the last thread at least, but didn't do anything about in this one, and you could now correct, but still have decided to refuse to) and wash our hands of it. Just like whenever I go shoot someone in the head with my Desert Eagle on a bad day, the police let me off if I say "It was a mistake ok! Get over it!"

But that's fine, I'm done in this thread. I just wanted to make a few things apparent so that in the future there won't be anymore confusion. After all, it was just a single mistake right? ;)

[humanalien]

Thanks-US. You have given me a lot to think about and
study.

In short though, would it be fair to say that:
Adam was created as a white man?
Humans were already around before Adam?

The article i posted has the ruddy people coming from
the north and chasing the original israelies from their
country, so:

Were the original israelies black or white, in your opinion?

I was greatly confused with all the ruddy, white and black people
being in israel and i couldn't get it clear in my head, who was there
first.

The reason why i would like to know all of this, stems from where did
the white race come from. Scientist say that africa was the birth place
of mankind and we all know that africa is mostly a black population.

Scientists also say that in time, the black people migrated from africa
to other continents and through time, the melatonin in their skin was
reduce because of lesser sunlight in the newer area's where they lived
but i don't totally believe that. Don't forget that they also had nappy
hair, fatter lips and broader noses than white men do, so what excuse
could they make up for that?

Although all humans are basically the same, not all humans were made
the same, in my opinion. There are suttle differences in our dna that makes
each race, slightly different from the rest.

But then i was reading somewhere that black dna dominates over all other
dna. Two black parents can create a white baby with blue eyes and blonde
hair but two white parents can not create a black baby with brown eyes and
black nappy hair. Most of the time when i see a black husband with a white wife
they have a black baby. Not all the time but most of the time.

If this were true, there would hardy be any chance for a white race to even
begin to be start here on earth and if it happened that way for real, black people
would totally dominate the population of earth just because of the low birth rate
of white babies.

So then one has to wonder if adam and eve were really the first two humans created
on earth. Since white people can not create a black baby, that has to mean that black
people were here before white people or the history of black people was never properly
recorded.

I remember reading from the internet version of " the losts books of adam and eve". After
they were cast out of eden, they lived in a cave for many many years, up on a mountain
top somewhere. After the death of adam and eve, their children decided to leave the mountain.

There was only one path that lead down the mountain and right at the beginning of that path,
the people were stopped in their tracks because they heard people yelling to them from the
bottom of the path. Adams children told them to come up to them so that they could meet
but the people at the bottom said that the path was only one way. Once you come down, you
can never return. Since both parents were already dead, adams children went down the mountain
and joined the people at the bottom.

The moral of this story is that there were already humans living on earth before adam and eve
were even created.

I don't know how true the losts books of adam and eve are but a lot of it, does help fill in some
gaps.

It really doesn't matter who was created first, whites or blacks because one of the races
would have had to be created before or after the other one, in order to have more than one
race on this planet.

[Star Tsar]

To Hue means to colour!

Hu - Man

;)

[humanalien]

And i don't need you or anyone, telling me what to say.
I am human, just like the rest of you and i do make mistakes.
I'm not perfect like some of claim to be...

I made a mistake OK!!! Get over it.....

Oh, so were you lying when you said that all you really wanted was a discussion about the article you linked? I offered a quick suggestion that would put the thread back on track as you said you wanted it to be; apparently you'd prefer to stand by your original words and speak your mind. That's perfectly fine, but I also have every right to speak mine. I only care because in this one case your words affect far more than just you. But yes, let's just say it was a mistake (which you were aware of since the last thread at least, but didn't do anything about in this one, and you could now correct, but still have decided to refuse to) and wash our hands of it. Just like whenever I go shoot someone in the head with my Desert Eagle on a bad day, the police let me off if I say "It was a mistake ok! Get over it!"

But that's fine, I'm done in this thread. I just wanted to make a few things apparent so that in the future there won't be anymore confusion. After all, it was just a single mistake right? ;)

OK. Maybe i got a little touchy there and i apologize but i'm still not
going to remove what i wrote. I'm not saying that i'm being racist but
i have the right to be wrong about something, just like you do. In the
future, please don't suggest to people what should do to correct themselves.
People take offense to this.

If the mods have a problem with what i wrote, feel free to edit that part
of my post.

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To Hue means to colour!

Hu - Man

;)

Thanks for that bit of info. I was just looking for what hu meant
and i couldn't find it.

Edit

Now that i think of it, hu could mean any one of the human race
couldn't it?

I used to work for a silk screening company and one day i told the
people that made the inks, that i needed the color black ink. They
told me that black and white are not colors but pigments. Everything
else are colors. Maybe anything not white could be considered a hue.

[ghostrider]

. Because the jews rejected him, he gave them over to the devil . remember according to history , the Jews killed the messiah . how much more evil can you get ? betrayed by his own people and his own disciple. Worse than that look how many souls have been killed in the name of religion/God . The one thing that should unite us , divides us by perception , and the list of do's and dont's. If God is love, how can a sincere person kill in the name of God ? Ye shall know them by their fruits . Imagine the exact number of dead all because of religion ? In the name of Love . The jew killed Jesus and the entire rest of the world pays the price. madness.

[Unified Serenity]

Well, God made all the races, and one is not better than another, they have different roles to play. I believe God had a purpose for this age, and there was a plan to use a family line to bring about Messiah to deal with Lucifer who had deceived the sons of God in the prior age and rather than destroy them, God destroyed the age, and sent us to kindergarden in 3d to learn love and choose a path of love. Adam was not the first as in all races came from Adam. No, Adam was the ruddy complected white race, but other races were made apart from Adam and Eve. Adam was the chosen lineage to bring Messiah through as there were 2 morning stars and one plays the bad guy and one plays the good guy.

When Lucifer interfered, as God knew he would, his son Cain tried to stop God's plan from the get go, and he killed Abel. But, God promised redemption and said he would put enmity between Satan's / Lucifer's seed and the woman's seed, thus the coming virgin birth promised through Adam and Eve's lineage. Sadly, over and over this lineage that was supposed to be a blessing upon the earth is not obedient to their father / God whereas Lucifer's seed is exceedingly obedient as Jer. 35 tells us.

The bible goes on to tell us after Cain is cursed and driven from the area he goes off to the land of Nod and takes a wife. So, there were already other people on earth, and these are the ethnos who are the righteous called of God and they are the Kings and Queens of renown in the millennium who are just as beloved of God as the house of Israel is. They fulfill their roles equally.

I am not going into a ton of detail, but the studies I share and bible passages are for you to accept or reject. It is what I believe and the bible spells out a plan to create souls who are fit help mates / wives of God. He created us to be that, and unfortunately in the first age the vast majority of us were not the sharpest tools in the shed yet. Fully 1/3 fell away and followed the puffed up one, Lucifer. Only a tenth stood by God and they are called the Zadok or righteous ones, and the rest it appears went fishing for the day as they did not feel they had a dog in the hunt. Not wanting any to perish, God started a new age, set it up as a school and Lucifer has tried every which way to stop God's plan from working. He is the most crafty and beautiful of all of God's creation. He has gotten full control of the world systems, and his children sit atop the power structure pretending to the the very house of Israel. Now, that is an ironic joke. Not all of the house of course, just our brother Judah. The lost sheep of the house of Israel were why Jesus came to redeem and draw all men to the truth. As many who would believe, and whether you are of Israel or the Ethnos you are equal in the eyes of God. The fact though is God did choose a specific family to bring it about, and sadly we have been very lacking in being the blessing to the world we are meant to be. We will get it right eventually though. We will have much to apologize for though to our beloved brothers and sisters, kings and queens of the ethnos who didn't screw things up nearly as badly as we did.

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Actually the Roman's killed Jesus at the behest of the lying Kenites. It's all pretty simple when you break the characters down. Many Jews believed and followed him, and they are with us to this day known as Messianic Jews. I have seen what I believe was a Kenite getting saved. It was an amazing experience, and I kid you not, I swear I heard the angels in heaven rejoicing as you cannot imagine. It brings tears to my eyes even now. No one is beyond a divine relationship in love with our Divine creator.

[Mark]

Thank you for sharing that, US. I was just curious. :)

So why do you think that Hebrew is an afro-asiatic language if they were white people?

[Unified Serenity]

One would have to understand the land regions and movements of the people. Abraham was from Ur which is I believe in Iraq. God sent Israel packing once and brought them back. Then 10 tribes kept whoring after other gods and he sent them packing as in a divorce, and it's been followed that they crossed over the causcus mountains and were called caucasians. They lost their identity, and Jesus said, he came for the lost sheep of the house of Israel. The Samaritan woman said, even the dogs get scraps from the masters table and Jesus / Yeshua was very impressed with her faith, and agreed. Of course the word "dogs" was representative of the Gentiles, and not a nice thing to say, but it was a common idiom. People have travelled far and wide. When I lived in Saudi Arabia there was a place that was said to be the tomb of Eve. No one knows precisely where the garden of Eden was, but that is where school began for the white people.

I love and respect all the races. I for one do not think we are all the same. God made us each with our own gifts and talents. Now, we can all learn and adapt, but when you look at the cultures, they are all amazing. I don't think God meant for us to all homogenize into one group. Yes, in a spirit of love to live together, but in that same spirit of love to rejoice in our differences. One way is not better than another way. It is the lies of Satan that pit man's heart against one another. I guess this was all made so real to me as my father took me around the world as he traveled and I met so many different people of varying cultures. I loved them all, and the way things are between so many of us is terrible. I know one day we will get it right.

[ghostrider]

JEWS were not white, three quarters of the known world then was dark hair , dark skin, dark eyes. most of the middle east today , same. dark hair dark eyes dark skin. Jesus was not white. I believe he was just like the average middle eastern man .

[Unified Serenity]

JEWS were not white, three quarters of the known world then was dark hair , dark skin, dark eyes. most of the middle east today , same. dark hair dark eyes dark skin. Jesus was not white. I believe he was just like the average middle eastern man .

I take it you have not studied the information I shared nor do you believe in the bible. I know lots of white Jews btw, and there are 10 tribes who were sent packing. They made their way to Ireland and England among other places. History proves this out.

[Mark]

I could quote and list as well, US, things that go directly against everything you've posted up here but I really don't care to as I'm not invested in such debates any longer. I have done the research, over 20 years worth. And there is substantial evidence that what you've written is nothing but an ethnocentric erasing of history and a repainting of it in white-face. One of the biggest "crimes of the millenium".

But I see that you are sincere and so I will respectfully bow out of the conversation at this point as my experience informs me that PA is not a conducive atmosphere to hold such discussions. Be well.

[realitycorrodes]

Divide and conquer!

To be human is all that matters.

Discussing the propaganda about bloodlines is interesting - but essentially designed to appeal to racist tendencies (fear based insecurities) and as such a good way to divide and conquer.

The more intuitive amongst us and the ones who don't relate to their body as their soul existence usually know better than to fall for the pride of thinking their blood line is more superior to anothers. Human Ego/pride. As if one Human DNA bloodline is significantly better than another??? It's kind of like a human watching a couple of ants arguing over how their family lineage is better than the other. There really is not much difference between humans when one can expand their consciousness beyond the self centered thoughts of being human. The difference between human bloodlines from the bigger perspective are essentially quite trivial - IMHO. Any blood line has the capacity to live in harmony with civil law and farm the land sustainably. Every else is just ego...and prone to being used for dividing and conquering.

Peace - no harm intended. Just something to think about.

P.S. I personally don't need to know anything about what's written in the bible to be a harmonic being - as I am a free thinker - thinking for myself. Burn the thing and start thinking for oneself. It really is not needed to get along with others....truly I say to you!

I particularly like someone's signature before...it was:

"Most people are other people. Their

thoughts are someone elses opinions (the bible's?), their

lives a mimicry, their passions a

quotation." ~ Oscar Wilde

--------------------------------------------

I can't understand what makes a man hate another man
Help me understand, help me understand, help me understand

DEPECHE MODE - PEOPLE ARE PEOPLE LYRICS

[RedeZra]

the original Jews stem from Abraham (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham)an Aramean (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aramaeans)living in Urfa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urfa)


Abraham was the 10th generation from Noah through Shem and so lived just 400 years after the Deluge around 2000 BC


the human race can trace its linage back to the three sons of Noah

Shem Ham and Japheth


Shem (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shem)the father of the Semitic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semitic)

Ham (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ham_(son_of_Noah))the father of the Hamitic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamitic)

Japheth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japheth)the father of the Japhetic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japhetic)



Jacob (Israel) son of Isaac son of Abraham fathered the twelve sons or tribes of Israel

which multiplied in Goshen Egypt before God led them out of Egypt and into Canaan


around 1500 BC the Israelites entered their God Promised Land and lived under the rulership of so-called Judges

before they wanted a King which they got in about 1000 BC


the short lived United Monarchy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Israel_(united_monarchy)) soon split into the Kingdom of Israel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Israel_(Samaria)) and the Kingdom of Judah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Judah)

in about 720 BC the Kingdom of Israel was destroyed by Assyria and the Ten Tribes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Lost_Tribes) deported to other places within the Assyrian Empire

while the area of the former Kingdom of Israel was repopulated with people from within the Assyrian Empire


in about 580 BC the Kingdom of Judah was destroyed by Babylon and the two tribes of Judah and Benjamin went into captivity

Babylon also destroyed the Assyrian Empire and so the Ten Tribes somewhere within Assyria were lost for posterity


in 539 BC the Persians conquered Babylon and allowed the exiled Jews (the tribes of Judah and Benjamin) to return to Yehud and rebuild the Temple

while the Ten lost Tribes most likely went over the Caucasus and into Europe


so chances are that a lot of Europeans and Americans are actually descendants of Abraham



there is an interesting passage in Revelation where Jesus says to the angel of the church in Smyrna


"I know your works, tribulation, and poverty (but you are rich); and [I know] the blasphemy of those who say they are Jews and are not, but [are] a synagogue of Satan. - Rev 2:9


remember this is Revelation and so we probably got today a group of people calling themselves Jews who are not Jews

perhaps Jesus is referring to the Ashkenazi Jews who were just converts descended from Ashkenaz and so Japheth

the likes of Rothschild and more

[Star Tsar]

Lets not fall out!
Its ridiculous to think that a tribe/sect/religion/group would be all one colour anyways
ESTABLISHMENT history shows us that Humans traveled great distances for trade & war so its not inconvieveable that races mixed back then too!
Remember TRUE LOVE is blind

;)

[danceblackcatdance]

I would describe Judaism is a religion.. and Israel as a country (chopped out of Palestine at the end of ww2 and was / is essentially a tactical US military base IMO). The Rothschilds are not your average Jews... your average Jews are not Israelis...

Even if the main religion of Israel is perceived to be Jewish, its not… there are many Muslims and Christians there too, its like saying all people from England are Christian… they're not...

Personally, sorry if this upsets people, but I don't believe Israel should exist at all, let alone as a Jewish state... you haven't seen the UN carving up bits of north America to give back to the indegenous peoples there nor in Australia, both lands of genocide and / or displacement... I'm sure there are other examples..

What interests me is the divide and conquer (dis)infos that control our beliefs...

I have travelled across the world and visited many sacred / religious sites... personally witnessed a minor miracle (have no other way of describing it) in Jerusalem but I still don't subscribe to manmade religion...

In Egypt many years ago we visited a multitude of sites and saw hebrew inscribed in the stone between and underneath the hieroglyphs in some places, we asked the tour guide if this was like 'slave graffiti' from when the Jews were in bondage and he was VERY shocked at this and was adamant that the Jews were NEVER slaves in Egypt!!

Icke says in one of his books that hebrew was the language of the mystery schools in Egypt, and someone else (maybe Tsarion) said do we really expect that a civ as advanced at the Egyptians only had hieroglyphics as a form of written language?!

Anyway, as I mentioned in the bible thread.. I'm reading a book about Ireland: Land of the Pharaohs.. its premise is that Ireland is a remnant of Atlantis and thats where the Egyptians originally came from… hard to believe eh… but do due diligence - as a start I highly recommend the Tsarion interview that D-Day posted on the previous page...

My new understanding (subject to change) is that 'the Jews' never existed as they are purported to do today, and were / are at best a breakaway sect out of Egypt... so in direct response to the OP; *no* Jews are 'real' Jews.

Don't forget where the 'Amen' in both Christianity and Judaism comes from…....

I think a lot of people are now realising Christianity is a scam, but stretches beliefs even further to accept that Judaism is too… however, I do hope the truth will out, sooner rather than later, far too many have died for other mans lies!!!

Sorry if that offends anyone but... haha :)

ps. I met native Ethiopian Jews in Israel too…

[Unified Serenity]

For me, the important thing is the Divine plan. Yeshua taught in parables, and he said, "Learn the parable of the fig tree." The image of the fig goes all the way back to the Garden of Eden. They sewed fig leaves together to cover their nakedness. How did they learn they were naked? They partook of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and were barred from the tree of life. Trees are symbolic of men. Trees are used all over the bible to describe rulers. We know Cain is not in Adam's lineage and that Eve gave birth to twins. They were twins with two different fathers. Yeshua said openly that the scribes and Pharisees were of their father the devil. He told them publicly that they killed the prophets from Abel to Zacharias on the portico of Solomon. He was telling everyone within earshot they were sons of Cain otherwise known in the bible as Kenites.

Why is any of this important? Because there is a divine plan and you can trace it from the beginning of the bible to the end of the bible. Yeshua also taught the parable of the wheat and the tares. Wheat was the good seed and the tares were the bad seed. He told us that the evil one came in and sewed the tares (a bitter and inedible weed) among the good wheat. This is a direct picture of what Satan did in the garden. God condemned Satan's actions and said He would put enmity between Satan's seed and the woman's seed. Now, the funny thing about Tares is they look just like wheat. You can't tell them apart until it's harvest time, and then the angels of God would do the harvesting, not man, which also goes back to God commanding that none should harm Cain or his descendents. They are cursed and cannot sew grain and have no roots. They are vagabonds on the earth going from place to place.

Now, consider a moment that all that is true regarding what is written in the bible. Can you imagine what a sentence it would be if one were cursed so nothing would grow for them? How is one to eat? What can one do to provide food and sustenance for their family? The Kenites have an incredible fear of man and this death sentence if you will. Therefore, they did the only thing they could do. They took over commerce. Let me be logical about our world situation here. Who controls the world today? Who are the evil cabal at the top of the pyramid? Is it a bunch of black leaders or a bunch of white heads of banks playing puppet master with the rulers of the earth? Sure, our black brothers and sisters have ruled their regions in times past, but as control of the earth, who has been in control for a very very long time? It's been white men and women (not so much women, but had to put it in there because there are a few).

It matters not who was in the land of Israel first. The family that God gave the land to were the descendents of Abraham through Sarah, known as the Israelites. The Kenites moved into Judea and called themselves Jews. They became scribes and Pharisees. They mimic the children of God, and they look like them. Look at the history of the world and banking. Look at who became the goldsmiths. It was the Kenites. Satan has full intention of ruling the world spiritually and physically. He fully intends to come here defacto at some point and be worshiped at God sitting in the holy place on the throne of God, and he is called the anti-Christ. Anti does not mean opposed or against. Anti translates to "Instead". So, he is mimicking Christ and pretending to be the Lion of the tribe of Judah. He is the father of the Tares. His children blend in with the wheat. If one looks at prophecy, one can see the tares fulfill the negative side of prophecy. In fact, the Anti-Christ comes in riding on a white horse and has a rainbow about him just as the true Messiah; however, in the Greek the word for bow which the Anti-Christ has is a cheap imitation fabric one, not the real deal.

The Adamic race is white and it blushes. There is speculation that the mark God put on Cain was that he could not blush anymore. Now, there is speculation that it is just a physical fact or it's about their consciousness. They have none, they are without shame and therefore won't blush. There are some obscure passages about not blushing, but it doesn't say, "The mark upon Cain and his descendents is they can't blush". God does not want us hunting them down, and based on man's history, if the people of the world know about these Kenites and what they do, and could just see them and identify them, they would have been killed. So, it's one of those hidden things, and it's also why Yeshua taught in parables. Seven times before he died, he gave teachings in parables that he set apart with the statement, "Those with eyes to see and ears to hear listen to my words" and he said it again one time after he rose from the dead. God wants his children to mature and understand what is coming in the last days, but we were also told there would be a famine, not of bread, but of hearing / learning the word of God. Who truly studies the word and teaches it line by line and precept upon precept anymore? The only two churches approved of by God in the book of Revelation were Smyrna and Philadelphia who both taught about the Kenites. There isn't one church anywhere near where I live who knows about them or teaches about them. You can follow them straight through the bible. You can see their deeds. You can see how they like to change names to hide who they are.

I do believe in the bible, and other sacred texts. I believe there is a Divine plan, and so far from what I can tell, it's all coming down as planned. We are about to enter into a one world governmental system. We will see a deadly wound to that beast system as well, and then the Anti-Christ will arrive peacefully and prosperously, and that is why we were warned to Learn the parable of the fig tree, and the wheat and tares. We were warned not to be concerned over wars, pestilence and such, but to take note when the people start crying peace peace peace because sudden destruction has come upon them. The destroyer we are told comes in peacefully and prosperously, doing all manner of signs and wonders. We are in fact told he will snap his fingers and make lightening appear. Imagine the power to create lightening, why that sounds an awful lot like free energy to me.

Knowing what is coming is our only way not to fall into the trap and be deceived, and that is why I care about whether truth is taught as I understand it from the bible. White man is ruling the world and the heads of banks are primarily people claiming Jewish ancestry when in fact they are Kenites. Israel is primarily of the white race. I think I have said it all now, and it's up to each person to do their own study, ask the pertinent questions, and say, does this line up with what is going on in our world today?

[christian]

Today's Jews are mostly not Semites, but Ashkenazi Jews and descendants of the Khazarians.

Most of the people in Israel are not satisfied with their government, which seems to be heavily controlled by the cabal of bankers and satanist, Rothschild-Zionists.

Generalizations about alleged negative traits of any group, alluding that this trait is somehow innate to that group, is mostly just a disgrace to anyone with real discernment in my not so humble opinion. I mean, there are cases, when this is being done without being called out, like "the lizzies are evil", but in fact this is not true either, although rather popular among conspiracy theorists. Not all lizzies are necessarily evil, I mean come on, common sense... Considering this while formulating a statement can be beneficial :cool:

[Unified Serenity]

I would describe Judaism is a religion.. and Israel as a country (chopped out of Palestine at the end of ww2 and was / is essentially a tactical US military base IMO). The Rothschilds are not your average Jews... your average Jews are not Israelis...

Even if the main religion of Israel is perceived to be Jewish, its not… there are many Muslims and Christians there too, its like saying all people from England are Christian… they're not...

Personally, sorry if this upsets people, but I don't believe Israel should exist at all, let alone as a Jewish state... you haven't seen the UN carving up bits of north America to give back to the indegenous peoples there nor in Australia, both lands of genocide and / or displacement... I'm sure there are other examples..

What interests me is the divide and conquer (dis)infos that control our beliefs...

I have travelled across the world and visited many sacred / religious sites... personally witnessed a minor miracle (have no other way of describing it) in Jerusalem but I still don't subscribe to manmade religion...

In Egypt many years ago we visited a multitude of sites and saw hebrew inscribed in the stone between and underneath the hieroglyphs in some places, we asked the tour guide if this was like 'slave graffiti' from when the Jews were in bondage and he was VERY shocked at this and was adamant that the Jews were NEVER slaves in Egypt!!

Icke says in one of his books that hebrew was the language of the mystery schools in Egypt, and someone else (maybe Tsarion) said do we really expect that a civ as advanced at the Egyptians only had hieroglyphics as a form of written language?!

Anyway, as I mentioned in the bible thread.. I'm reading a book about Ireland: Land of the Pharaohs.. its premise is that Ireland is a remnant of Atlantis and thats where the Egyptians originally came from… hard to believe eh… but do due diligence - as a start I highly recommend the Tsarion interview that D-Day posted on the previous page...

My new understanding (subject to change) is that 'the Jews' never existed as they are purported to do today, and were / are at best a breakaway sect out of Egypt... so in direct response to the OP; *no* Jews are 'real' Jews.

Don't forget where the 'Amen' in both Christianity and Judaism comes from…....

I think a lot of people are now realising Christianity is a scam, but stretches beliefs even further to accept that Judaism is too… however, I do hope the truth will out, sooner rather than later, far too many have died for other mans lies!!!

Sorry if that offends anyone but... haha :)

ps. I met native Ethiopian Jews in Israel too…

It's an interesting study about the world Amen coming from worship of Ra. Is it a coincidence the word Shamman is Hebrew for the annointing oil? Do all words have the same origin if they sound similar? Here is what I get on amen in the Strong dictionary:

H543
אמן
'âmên
aw-mane'
From H539; sure; abstractly faithfulness; adverbially truly: - Amen, so be it, truth.

H539
אמן
'âman
aw-man'
A primitive root; properly to build up or support; to foster as a parent or nurse; figuratively to render (or be) firm or faithful, to trust or believe, to be permanent or quiet; morally to be true or certain; once (in Isa_30:21; by interchange for H541) to go to the right hand: - hence assurance, believe, bring up, establish, + fail, be faithful (of long continuance, stedfast, sure, surely, trusty, verified), nurse, (-ing father), (put), trust, turn to the right.

From the Dictionary we get:

Noun1.Amen-Ra - Egyptian sun god; supreme god of the universe in whom Amen and Ra were merged; principal deity during Theban supremacy
A·men also A·mon or Am·mon (ähttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/prime.gifmhttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/schwa.gifn)n. Mythology The Egyptian god of life and reproduction, represented as a man with a ram's head.

One is a declaration and one is a title. It's interesting, but I do not think a declaration means the foundation of a religion has to be linked to Egyptian religion of Ra worship. There is also the aspect that the Hebrews lived in the region and sayings were adopted, but that did not mean they adopted the spiritual path of the egyptians. If it was colloquiel to end and affirm a statement by saying "amen" then it could have just been picked up without it deferring to Ra worship.

Hebrew was a well known tongue in the ancient area of the middle east and Egypt. Here is a wiki account:

Hebrew (/ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:IPA_for_English)ˈ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:IPA_for_English#Key)h (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:IPA_for_English#Key)iː (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:IPA_for_English#Key)b (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:IPA_for_English#Key)r (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:IPA_for_English#Key)uː (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:IPA_for_English#Key)/ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:IPA_for_English)) (עִבְרִית, Ivrit, (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8a/Loudspeaker.svg/11px-Loudspeaker.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ivrit1.ogg) [ʔivˈʁit] (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2e/Ivrit1.ogg) (help (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Media_help)·info (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ivrit1.ogg)) or (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8a/Loudspeaker.svg/11px-Loudspeaker.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:He-Ivrit.ogg) [ʕivˈɾit] (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e0/He-Ivrit.ogg) (help (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Media_help)·info (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:He-Ivrit.ogg))) is a West Semitic language (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Semitic_languages) of the Afroasiatic language family (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afroasiatic_languages). Culturally, it is considered by Jews (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews) and other religious groups as the language of the Jewish people (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_languages), although other Jewish languages had originated among diaspora Jews (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Diaspora), and the Hebrew language was also used by non-Jewish groups, such as the ethnically related Samaritans (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samaritans).
Modern Hebrew (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_Hebrew) is one of the two official languages of Israel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel), while Classical Hebrew (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_Hebrew) is used for prayer or study in Jewish (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews) communities around the world. The language is attested from the 10th century BCE [2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_language#cite_note-1) to the late Second Temple (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Temple) period, after which the language developed into Mishnaic Hebrew (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mishnaic_Hebrew). Modern Hebrew is one of the official languages of Israel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Israel), along with Arabic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literary_Arabic).
Ancient Hebrew is also the liturgical tongue of the Samaritans, while modern Hebrew or Arabic is their vernacular, though today only about 700 Samaritans remain. As a foreign language it is studied mostly by Jews and students of Judaism and Israel, archaeologists and linguists specializing in the Middle East (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_East) and its civilizations, by theologians, and in Christian seminaries.
The core of the Torah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torah) (the first five books of the Hebrew Bible (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_Bible)), and most of the rest of the Hebrew Bible, is written in Classical Hebrew (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_Hebrew), and much of its present form is specifically the dialect of Biblical Hebrew (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_Hebrew) that scholars believe flourished around the 6th century BCE, around the time of the Babylonian exile (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babylonian_captivity). For this reason, Hebrew has been referred to by Jews (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jew) as Leshon HaKodesh (לשון הקודש), "The Holy Language (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Language)", since ancient times.



That area of the world was the apparent cradle of civilization where God chose to put his Adamic family. If one group or another influences a language it does not change the other groups identities. English is a mutt language, and yet Englishmen / white people look very much as they did long long ago. The language does not define the people. Words are added and changed, it's the DNA that makes them the race, not the language. Groups influence one another in many ways.

[Sierra]

While there are many good posts on this thread, this thread is closed, due to racist and divisive themes, lack of substance, and lack of due diligence.