Mirage Men: A Journey into Disinformation, Paranoia and UFOs

[Bluewool]

Met Mark and John while at a UFO conference in Las Vegas,haven't read the book yet but i know they filmed and interviewed Bill Ryan (re serpo i believe?).Certainly dont agree with the synopsis of book but will give it a look.Any thoughts?
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Mirage-Men-Journey-Disinformation-Paranoia/dp/1845298578/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1281558241&sr=1-1

[Arpheus]

In passing, it's worth noting that Pilkington claims that ALL crop circles are made by people (p. 9). No doubt many are, but I very much doubt whether he, or anyone else, is in a position to know for sure that all of them are human creations. As for UFOs, he doesn't go as far as to claim that every single report can be attributed to prosaic factors such as misperception, misreporting or military activity, although I suspect that he believes that the large majority of them can be explained in mundane terms.
Thats a quote from a reader,heh i must say anyone who claims that ALL crops circles are man made is full of it ,i am sure many are but not ALL,thats quite a statement and you better have some proof to back it up or your just gonna look bad in the end tho.:laser:

[Tony]

Are your beliefs, your beliefs?
Who are you going to believe?

Disinformation rules the day.
Do you believe this?


6naKTTuBq14

This is from the Daily telegraph
Dir: John Lundberg, Mark Pilkington, Roland Denning, Kypros Kyprianou
Is there anything new to say about UFOs and people who believe fervently they have
seen one? I wouldn't have thought so, either - but the intriguing Mirage Men casts new
light on the topic, unearthing the bizarre fact that the US Air Force and intelligence services
have been running a campaign of disinformation about UFOs.

Here's how it apparently works: a high-ranking intelligence agent takes an outspoken UFO
conspiracy theorist into his confidence, tells him (it's usually a him) that his theories are
not only on the right track but the US government is itself secretively pursuing similar theories.
The agent also sprinkles some deliberate falsehoods about UFO sightings into his disclosures.

This has the effect of seducing the UFO-believer, making him feel part of some charmed
circle of knowledge, but also encouraging him to spout facts that sound absurd outside
(and even within) the 'UFO community.'
Why would the Air Force and US government do it? To 'neutralise' the conspiracy nut,
and possibly to throw America's enemies (oh, OK, Russia) off the scene about
US defence development.

Complicated, isn't it? Watching Mirage Men plunges you into a vortex of half-truths, lies,
manipulation, bluffs and double bluffs. It's not quite clear who we should believe.
And that's before we even confront Special Agent Richard Doty, a government official
whose task it was to plant these falsehoods. Doty, a timid, deeply ordinary-looking man
blinking behind large spectacles, admits to cynical trickery aimed at throwing gullible UFO
believers off the scent.

So far, so farcical, but there have been real victims. One was Paul Bennewitz, who saw
strange lights in the sky from his desert home in New Mexico, reported them to a nearby
USAir Force base and found himself subjected to psychological mind games by the USAF
that left him so disturbed he was admitted to an insane asylum.
Members of the 'UFO community' air their views long and loudly on the subject of all this,


But so many nagging questions surface. What if the misinformation story is itself a hoax?
What if Doty is working a hyper-elaborate bluff and making fools of the film-makers as well
as the UFO devotees? Come to think of it, why is the state of New Mexico such a popular
location for strange phenomena -- mysterious lights in the night sky, sightings of alien spacecraft,
unexplained cattle mutilations?

These are unanswerable questions. Mirage Men effectively admits as much, and unlike lesser
documentaries does not even attempt to seek refuge in easy answers or pat plot resolutions.
One rather admires it for that. But a wider audience may find its refusal to pander to populism faintly disappointing.

[Tony]

This film which was released on June13th, opens the question about UFOs and hoaxes,
and whether the hoaxes are a hoax.

Because we see or hear things on a pixilated screen, doesn't make it real.
The mind can be made to believe anything, ask Derren Brown.

Deception is all about misdirecting consciousness, and we are all experts at that!
We live in a pyramid of experts.

[giovonni]

Thanks for the post Tony ...

Definitely believe there is a lot to all this stuff ...

But also note i have my own UFO experiences (especially those when all by my lonesome) ... :)

[Vitalux]

Source, and his helpers do a wonderful job of keeping us dummied down Human Beings constantly caught in conundrums.

The last thing we can expect truth from is Government, Military or Religion.
The Truth is not what Human's want to hear.

IF we were meant to know the darn truth, our soul would not be sent here with amnesia of who we are, where we are, and why we are.;)

[Lifebringer]

Ahhhh, but we were supposed to be told the truth in all we do, when we have the mind to ask. They keep it hidden like gold in a leprechauns pot.

[Bill Ryan]

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I've not yet seen the movie. (Has anyone here watched it yet?)

Here's an excellent review, written by Greg Taylor of The Daily Grail:

http://dailygrail.com/Reviews/2013/6/Fractured-Hall-Mirrors (http://www.dailygrail.com/Reviews/2013/6/Fractured-Hall-Mirrors)




A Fractured Hall of Mirrors

Half-way through watching Mirage Men (http://miragemen.com/), a new documentary on how U.S. Intelligence agencies have deliberately sabotaged research into the UFO topic, I literally shook my head, saying to myself with a laugh "it's a hall of mirrors". By the end of the documentary, my statement had been echoed and expanded upon by one of the interviewees, Linda Moulton Howe, who described the entire story as "a fractured hall of mirrors with a quicksand floor". Howe should know: in 1983, while researching a documentary on the subject of UFOs for HBO, she was engaged by Richard 'Rick' Doty, an agent with the Air Force Office of Special Investigations (AFOSI), initially with the promise of helping her investigate an alleged UFO landing near Ellsworth Air Force Base. But Howe's meeting with Doty took an unexpected turn when the AFOSI agent suddenly produced a manila folder, saying she could take a look at it but, not remove it from the office or make notes. Within it was a document titled "Briefing Paper for the President of the United States of America on the Subject of Unidentified Aerial Vehicles", which listed a number of alleged UFO crash retrievals by the government, as well as paragraphs that became "emblazoned" on Howe's mind concerning how they had discovered that Homo sapiens was a species created by extraterrestrials through genetic manipulation of primates. Amazed by the information fed to her by the government agency at the time, in Mirage Men Howe looks back with three decades of perspective and wonders at the the amount of effort that must have gone into the deception: "they must have had meetings about 'how do we stop a persistent and dogged reporter who has already demonstrated that she's going to go after a really difficult subject?'." The question that comes to mind, and which runs throughout this entire film, is 'WHY?'.

This was not the first time that AFOSI agent Doty had willingly mislead investigators of the UFO subject, and it would not be the last. As such, he serves as the focal character in the documentary; it begins with the deception he helped orchestrate on Albuquerque businessman Paul Bennewitz, goes on to discuss the Linda Moulton Howe case, the infamous Majestic-12 documents (described in the film by another AFOSI agent, Walter Bosley, as the "perfect Perception Management Device", though Doty denies any involvement with it) and extends forward to the more recent controversy over the 'Project Serpo' hoax.

And Doty is no doubt a worthy candidate for the film to revolve around. Coming to the documentary with a fair amount of knowledge about Doty's deceptions over the years – with consequences (direct and otherwise) ranging from the wasting of UFO investigators' time through to the mental disintegration, eventual hospitalisation and death of Paul Bennewitz – I already had a dislike for the man, and was ready to truly despise him. But one of the things that catches you off guard is how harmless and genial he seems - the man is sitting before the camera, telling you how he has deceived people, and yet you feel that he seems to be a nice guy that you'd happily chat with at a neighbourhood barbeque. Though as Bill Ryan, who was initially taken in by the Serpo deception, points out, that's what makes him so effective: "Rick's great strength is he's a wonderful story-teller", says Ryan. "He's a very friendly guy [and] builds relationships easily".

http://www.dailygrail.com/sites/dailygrail.com/files/storyimages/richarddoty.jpg

The jarring inconsistency between Doty's disarming personality and his deceptive deeds, and the "fractured hall of mirrors with a quicksand floor" that is the subject matter, contribute to the overall feel of the film – one of unreality, with the viewer wondering exactly where the truth lies and even how many Inception-like 'levels' away that destination might be from them (are the 'visible' lies meant to make you follow the breadcrumbs to the real lie they want to sell to you?).

Using black and white public domain and Creative Commons footage as 'filler' helps maintain that feeling of unreality and deception, such as the cuts from the 1958 BBC television series Invisible Man - Secret Experiment showing objects moving without any visible cause, and the B-roll continues that mood with shots of empty conference chairs and long hotel hallways (always bound to transmit a lonely and alienated feel). The audio too, from the droning strings/synths almost subliminally set behind interviewees words, to the various ambient audio noises accompanying footage and the off-kilter soundtrack, will leave the viewer feeling on edge throughout . Each of these elements suggest that the film-makers were influenced rather heavily by the style of British documentarian Adam Curtis (The Century of the Self, The Power of Nightmares, All Watched Over By Machines of Loving Grace).

Interviewees include the tricksters (AFOSI agents Doty and Walter Bosley), their marks (Linda Moulton Howe, Bill Ryan, Victor Martinez), UFO and paranormal investigators (Richard Dolan, Bob Durant, Greg Bishop, George Hansen, Gabe Valdez and more) as well as the author of the book on which the documentary is based (http://www.amazon.com/o/ASIN/1602398003/thedailygrail), Mark Pilkington (read my 2010 interview with Mark about the book and film here (http://www.dailygrail.com/Interviews/2010/8/Mirage-Men)). All offer their own insights into the hall of mirrors, from their own particular point of view. For instance, Bob Durant begins the film by admitting that "the general feeling amongst people who have devoted a big chunk of their life to studying UFOs I think is fear; that they have been taken for a ride, that these cases are hoaxes, but sophisticated hoaxes carried out by their own government". This range of interviewees helps bring balance to the documentary, and also will hopefully give viewers a wider perspective on the topic: 'true believers' in the UFO phenomenon should be chastened by some of the testimony, while self-labeled skeptics might have their eyes opened to some degree ('skeptic' Brian Dunning once told me that I had "clinically crossed the line to a diagnosable, treatable mental illness" if I thought there were psy-ops being conducted in the UFO field) and even perhaps have some sympathy for what some UFO researchers have been put through over the years.

Even the general viewer might take heed of some of the nuggets buried in Mirage Men, such as Doty's aside that Paul Bennewitz was easily convinced by the AFOSI deception: "Paul was a World War II veteran, very patriotic, he always flew his flag – those type of people you can convince". And, on a topical note, once you've seen an entire documentary about intentional leaks designed to mislead investigators, you might be a little bit more skeptical about some of the leaks that have hit the news in recent times, and wonder whether there was any government involvement or intent behind them.

Those looking for simple, obvious answers to either the UFO mystery, or government deceptions in a number of the cases, will walk away disappointed from Mirage Men, but I don't think it should be a factor in judging the film. The film-makers do ponder the latter question, but trying to answer it just ends up taking the viewer further down the rabbit hole. Was the disinformation meant to distract investigators from secret government projects. If so, as Pilkington points out, why did they encourage Bennewitz when they could have just told him (as the patriotic citizen that he was) to cease and desist for the good of the country? Was it intended to discredit the investigators for some reason? Or perhaps it was a psychological study in how people react to certain information and events, perhaps it was intended originally for 'real' enemies like the Soviets during the Cold War, or maybe it was all an exercise in how supposedly secret information is transmitted and by whom.

Mirage Men doesn't break any new ground in discussing many of these topics: readers will find discussion of them in books ranging from Jacques Vallee's Messengers of Deception (http://www.amazon.com/o/ASIN/097572004X/thedailygrail) through to Greg Bishop's book on the deception aimed at Paul Bennewitz, Project Beta (http://www.amazon.com/o/ASIN/0743470923/thedailygrail) (Bishop himself appears extensively in the documentary). What it does do though is gets Richard Doty, a notoriously slippery man to corner, in front of the camera discussing the things he has done, along with a number of the other significant players. The intelligent viewer will however ask why Rick Doty came forward willingly to be an interview subject for this documentary, given every move he has made on the UFO topic seems to have been precisely calculated to have a certain effect. He seemingly has no reason to offer all this information. So why is he doing it? And why does he admit to so much, but then deny involvement with Serpo when investigators seem to have caught him red-handed (via email IP addresses)? By the end of the film you'll be second guessing everything more than feeling as if your ideas have been confirmed, and perhaps that was exactly Doty's intent. And, if you want to get truly paranoid, you might start to worry that the documentary's creators go under the name 'Perception Management Productions' (echoing Bosley's description of the MJ-12 documents), and has within its ranks individuals who for many years have created crop circles as a type of art (http://www.dailygrail.com/Reviews/2006/11/FIELD-GUIDE-Rob-Irving-and-John-Lundberg), and then sat back and observed as those 'anonymous' deceptions have engendered their own belief system and followers. Fractured mirrors and rabbit holes indeed...

Mirage Men is necessary viewing for anybody with an interest in either the topic of UFOs, or the role of government agencies in spying on and/or deceiving their own citizens. The former may be a specialised group, but the latter should include everyone. A highly recommended documentary – if your eyes weren't already open, they will be after watching this film.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Thanks for this Bill. Going to watch it ASAP. Just as a side note, thedailygrail is a website I have read everyday for years. :cool:

[Bill Ryan]

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Hi, All: ! watched the documentary last night (for the first time), and was very pleasantly surprised. It was really quite well done.

John Lundberg and and Mark Pilkington had a lot of material to work with, and they could have slanted it in any direction they wanted. But, despite being UFO skeptics themselves, they kept it pretty balanced.

Yours Truly appeared quite a lot in the last 20 minutes of the film -- and found that this 2006 version of Bill Ryan conducted himself really quite well, original hat and all. It was very interesting to watch! I do recommend it. I got to know quite a few of the characters featured in the film, so for me the whole thing was fascinating.

I looked to see if it had been seeded on a torrent, and found that it has been:

http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/9439241/Mirage_Men_(2013)

[Adi]

Mirage Men, an excellent book also, highly recommend.

Adi

[bruno dante]

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Hi, All: ! watched the documentary last night (for the first time), and was very pleasantly surprised. It was really quite well done.

John Lundberg and and Mark Pilkington had a lot of material to work with, and they could have slanted it in any direction they wanted. But, despite being UFO skeptics themselves, they kept it pretty balanced.

Yours Truly appeared quite a lot in the last 20 minutes of the film -- and found that this 2006 version of Bill Ryan conducted himself really quite well, original hat and all. It was very interesting to watch! I do recommend it. I got to know quite a few of the characters featured in the film, so for me the whole thing was fascinating.

I looked to see if it had been seeded on a torrent, and found that it has been:

http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/9439241/Mirage_Men_(2013)


Hey Bill,

Your link is bringing me to some quasi porn site offering "f#ck buddies for bargain prices!". :)

You can download Mirage Men, but all the info is superimposed over a whole bunch of "t & a".

I think it's pretty funny, but of course I can't speak for the entire forum...

Just thought you'd like to know:wink:

[Bill Ryan]

Hey Bill,

Your link is bringing me to some quasi porn site

Hi, Bruno -- many thanks. :) Must be browser- or location-specific. That doesn't seem to happen to me when I click on it here.

From Christine's post #202 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?9462-Interesting-Free-Books-in-PDF&p=707429&viewfull=1#post707429) in the Interesting Free Books in PDF (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?9462-Interesting-Free-Books-in-PDF) thread (shortened):







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On Mac I use Vuze (http://www.filehippo.com/download_vuze/) and on my old PC I use uTorrent (http://www.filehippo.com/download_utorrent/).

Once properly installed you can begin to download PDFs, movies, audios, games and software. (for free)

I am including a screen shot of which link you click on. There are usually several download buttons on the page so you need to know which one to click on. On Pirate Bay, it will read:

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DON'T GET CONFUSED BY ALL OF THE FLASHY DOWNLOAD BUTTONS, LOOK FOR THE ONE THAT IS RELATED TO THE TORRENT.

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[Atlas]

Here are the direct download links (3 parts):

Part 1 (https://mega.co.nz/#!xYNUhL7K!GXzmjlpF6SLUwgBjv4D0gClq3JsnH3t0jnVeZ8mcWEU) - Part 2 (https://mega.co.nz/#!MNMlTCoR!cfxnkw-mUo4sWqF57puaY1MUA15Okfw9WsKy1eEhycA) - Part 3 (https://mega.co.nz/#!dJ8zQSLB!eQ9FgENCVW20LSDw6jv10X7ObpAmtK2O3SNf-Y493-4)

Edit: Password for .rar file is "www.docmasters.tv"

[Midnight Rambler]

Hey Bill,

Your link is bringing me to some quasi porn site

Hi, Bruno -- many thanks. :) Must be browser- or location-specific. That doesn't seem to happen to me when I click on it here.

What I think you need is a good ad blocker (https://adblockplus.org/en/safari), then you don't get to see any confusing buttons. Nor do you see any ads on any website including The Pirate Bay. No ads is something i guess speaks to you Bill. :-)

Here the example of the site without the ads.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=24976&d=1392751279

[bruno dante]

Thanks for the tip Rambler. I was actually at the public library when I clicked on the link. I literally popped out of my seat and bear-hugged the monitor:scared: Sweat formed on my brow almost immediately. I was so panicked that I kept fumbling the mouse and couldn't 'x' out of the page for a good 7-8 seconds LOL! Thing is, I know people who work there. How would I explain it away? I couldn't! I'd forever be the creepy guy who shows up in public places to get a porn fix! Ouch!:P

I'm getting the same result at home. As Bill said, must be the location.

[Atlas]

Mirage Men - Full documentary:


http://vimeo.com/87488099

[mountain_jim]

I watched the above full version last night on my tv. It's so new (12 views) that the Youtube app on the media player would not find it, but I was able to use the 'pair' option to select it here, and get it to play on the bigger screen, in living room.

Bill and Linda Moulton Howe come off very well, I thought, and it's a well made documentary.

[bruno dante]

I can't recall the exact condescending name Doty used for expendable assests ( "dumb" something or other) but it was clear to me early on that he too was nothing more than a usable pawn.

Most of the time, I believe, the air force sells their operatives the same lie they want the operative to sell the people. It's much easier to play the part if you believe in it of course. I think the colonel coming in after that propaganda piece ( the film Doty saw selling this idea that aliens were used as subterfuge for new tech) was a brilliant touch! It makes me wonder what story the colonel was sold -- was he acting or did he believe what he was saying??? Compartmentalization...

I think the human mind has a threshold for lies. After a while one of 2 things will happen: either you'll actually believe what you've been lying about the entire time, or you'll break and spill the beans...revealing everything you've been up to. The air force knows this, and they have a contingency plan for the latter, and that is this: they simply set you free to tell your story. I believe that this is what occurred with Doty. By revealing himself to be a spinner of tales and an air force associate, he only created more mystery and cynicism around himself. He has no credibility amongst the people he is now supposedly trying to assist (UFO community). So the more he opens his mouth, the more confusion he creates. It's the perfect catch-22. I believe the bit he said about confronting the government. I think he finally realized he was being played, too. Now he's kind of adrift, without any alliances on either side. I don't think he's still currently with the air force; I think he attends these ufo conferences because he has nowhere else to go. He's a lost man, like Bennowitz, and the karma seems fitting.

The whole Serpo thing was quite interesting. Obviously, it's the air force's job (or whatever gov agency) to get ahead of these things, so when they know an inevitable leak has occurred, they simply release the story themselves, in its entirety....only with loads of bullish!t mixed in. Disinformation is always layered like this, but the truth is right there once it's wiped off. They always give themselves away like this. Bill, I'm curious as to whether you believe Doty was behind the infamous Serpo emails?

All in all a well done piece. There is a small part in there that sums it all up. And the irony is striking, because as she's calling the UFO field "broken mirrors with a quicksand" floor, Howe is regarding the interviewer with furtive eyes and probing him suspiciously. In the end, it is clear that he is with the good guys, but she can't quite tell one from the other. The broken mirrors decieved her for a moment....the quicksand almost swallowed her up. In this area of study, everyone regards everyone else with suspicion...even would-be friends or associates. It's the perfect sabotaging mechanism, all caused by this mirage, this disinformation.

[Kronuise]

Delving into the shadowy hinterland of delusion, deception and paranoia that fuels UFO mythology, this tantalizing British-made documentary has just had its world premiere at the tenth annual Doc/Fest in the northern English city of Sheffield. Mirage Men features testimony from true believers, close-encounter witnesses, airline pilots and highway patrolmen. But it is chiefly concerned with a more prosaic and earthbound conspiracy, which suggests that much key UFO folklore was deliberately fabricated by U.S. military insiders to discredit extraterrestrial investigators as unhinged cranks, thus deflecting attention from their own covert projects.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6naKTTuBq14

Never less than engaging and generally good fun, Mirage Men touches on some accidentally topical material, including the ethics of NSA snooping and secret unmanned drone aircraft. The evergreen theme, eccentric personalities and bizarre anecdotes here are strong enough to guarantee further festival slots following the documentary's Sheffield debut. After that, television seems to be the most obvious platform, though the juicy subject matter and high-end production values may well attract niche theatrical business.
Mirage Men is distilled from the 2010 book of the same name by the British author Mark Pilkington, who is also involved here as writer, producer and onscreen talking head. The film’s focus is narrower, concentrating on the U.S., specifically a handful of well-known figures and events in UFO circles. One pivotal player in both the book and film is Richard Doty, a former counterintelligence officer with the U.S. Air Force Office of Special Investigations (AFOSI), who claims to have spent decades deliberately spreading disinformation about extraterrestrials: “weapons of mass deception,” as one interviewee memorably puts it. Another is ufologist and author William Moore, whose books include The Roswell Incident and The Philadelphia Experiment.

Doty and Moore initially seem plausible enough on camera, though they share a shadowy past. Both admit to feeding false information to Paul Bennewitz, a World War II veteran and electronics expert living alongside a USAF base in New Mexico. According to Doty, the NSA targeted Bennewitz in the early 1980s as a useful idiot in their black propaganda wars, beaming fake extraterrestrial messages into his house and planting bogus spaceship evidence on a nearby mountain range. Convinced he had uncovered an alien invasion plot, Bennewitz turned into a deranged version of Neary in Close Encounters of the Third Kind, wrote warning letters to President Reagan, developed paranoid psychosis and was briefly institutionalized. Mission accomplished.

Many rich threads are woven into this colorful patchwork story: Apache folk myth, Cold War paranoia, macabre animal mutilations, top-secret stealth bombers and even an early experiment with fracking. Pilkington and his fellow directors maintain an admirably unsensational but agreeably playful tone, punctuating artfully eerie shots of the New Mexico desert with kitschy clips from vintage science-fiction thrillers.

Mirage Men takes a fascinating excursion into a twilight zone of wild conspiracies, obsessive believers and psychological double agents, even if the claims and counterclaims it stirs up never quite harden into solid investigative journalism. The open-ended finale is also disappointingly flat, leaving only the impression that USAF insider Doty is as slippery and deluded as any tinfoil-hatted UFO conspiracy nut. But Pilkington and his fellow filmmakers know their audience well. As with all paranormal myths, nobody really wants conclusive proof that little green men were fakes all along. The Truth is still out there.

Article Source (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/review/mirage-men-film-review-568349)

[Cardillac]

@Kronuise-

Hi- if anyone at all has been following the research/work/publications of Joseph Farrell (in my estimation the most under-rated researcher out there): most UFO sightings/findings can be attributed to advanced terrestrial technologies (start with his "Roswell and the Reich") but not ALL;

in his estimation(s) there are just too many (increasingly) sightings since the end of WWII (throw in the A-Bomb and its ramifications; might've woken up someone somewhere) that there wouldn't be enough money out there to finance the construction of the thousands of sighted UFOs even if a secret/fraudulent off-the-books financial system is in place-

all I can say is delve into his mind-boggling research and then make up your own mind-

stay well all-

Larry

[Skywizard]

I checked with Bill on this and he suggested as many people as possible should see the documentary.

Mirage Men is about how the US government used mythology to cover up their advanced technology. It prominently features Richard Doty, a retired Special Agent who worked for AFOSI, the United States Air Force Office of Special Investigation.

John and Mark may be hard core skeptics and debunkers, but did do an interesting documentary.

I know it has been posted once before but wasn't up long.
So here it is again enjoy! (while it's lasts... :) )


http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1lib77_mirage-men-part-1_news


http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1libpa_mirage-men-part-2_news



peace...

[lysander]

Fascinating, thanks!

[Agape]

It was gone before I've got to part 2 . Alternative option for watch /download :

http://movreel.com/o9jyeylwq71j.html

It's worthwhile to watch , for anyone who think they're missing few dots ...

[Ilie Pandia]

This was moved to Members Only sub-forum. In the public domain we got copyright infringement notices.

[Sidney]

You can download it on torrent sites, not sure if I can name any here , so I better not.

[Ilie Pandia]

May I suggest, that if you can afford it, to support this kind of production by actually renting the movie or buying it?

By downloading from the torrent sites we say: "Yeah, that's interesting and all... but not nearly important enough that I'll pay for this!". We vote in very real ways with money, so be aware of what kind of media are you actually supporting :).

[Iarmhéid]

Hi all.

As someone who remains to say the least on the fence about alien intervention, UFO's, what they are, abduction - etc etc - I find this topic fascinating. Over the last year I have dedicated some time to watching films and reading books from those who claim to have had these experiences, or from writers like Michael Tsarion or speakers like Mark Passio who claim we have had ETs interfere with our genetic makeup. I must say some theories are more plausible than others, and I was surprised by how well formed they were, to a point where I can even accept it as a possibility. A possibility - but not something I can really know for sure - nor something that I can give most of my attention to because I find it more important to free myself from wage and rent slavery first...

Anyway I searched the forum and could not find mention of this film 'Mirage men' - the point I raised to the friend who shared it with me was that any ex-agents or government could easily put out a sort of double bluff if they wanted - but I'm just watching the film now and will tell you what I think. I just wanted to see if others had seen it - I'd wager most of you would see it as disinformation. I have my own theories, though I know for certain the powers that be surely do put out masses of disinformation - and do joyride around in helicopters to manage perceptions on 'UFOs' or 'ETs' - why wouldn't they?

There are ideas formulating in my head but i'll get back to you. In the meantime I'd appreciate any info you can give me on this film or what you would say I should be aware of.

I'd like to say I'm quite impartial and have no emotionally vested interest in any outcome so hope I don't offend anyone. Also found a place to get the film if anyone wants it PM me.

http://www.miragemen.com/

Peace

[SPIRIT WOLF]

Yes I watched it a few months ago, interesting to a degree and not at all surprised at Richard Doty behind so much in regards the handling of USAF policy, we knew he was instrumental in downing researcher Paul B. Over the years I've seen it all and rarely get surprised.

[DeDukshyn]

I also watched it a few months ago ... very interesting. I think it is something everyone should watch. It doesn't draw conclusions, but does give a peek into the tactics of high level military regarding outsiders searching into the topic of UFOs. It is eye opening, and explains quite well why finding "The Truth" on this topic (and others) seems almost impossible.

Bill Ryan actually recommended it in a thread a few months back -- that is how I came to see it. Bill is in it actually.

The post here with link for torrent file:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?4720-Mirage-Men-A-Journey-into-Disinformation-Paranoia-and-UFOs&p=797476&viewfull=1#post797476 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?72033-Wanted-anyone-with-experience-knowledge-of-posting-a-Wikipedia-page&p=841964&viewfull=1#post841964)


There is another thread on it here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?4720-Mirage-Men-A-Journey-into-Disinformation-Paranoia-and-UFOs&highlight=mirage

[Hogswitch]

I watched it, I found it ultimately unsatisfying because it's conclusion seems to be that a lot of people lied about a lot of things and nobody really has a clue what's going on. That's most likely accurate, but still, you sort of expect more from the film. It is educational in so far as it shows the complexity and sophistication and sadly the effectiveness of the tactics of the UFO disinformation factory.

Hog.

[ghostrider]

yes , seen it ... military people were paid and instructed to lie about UFOs , appearing to be on our side but , working against honest people the whole time ...

[DeDukshyn]

I watched it, I found it ultimately unsatisfying because it's conclusion seems to be that a lot of people lied about a lot of things and nobody really has a clue what's going on. That's most likely accurate, but still, you sort of expect more from the film. It is educational in so far as it shows the complexity and sophistication and sadly the effectiveness of the tactics of the UFO disinformation factory.

Hog.

People need to know what they are up against in order to fight the best fight - if that description works ... this has value in revealing that to many.

My 2 cents.

[Milneman]

Plus....it keeps your interest. Not every video I've watched within the alternative subject matter does do that. Liked it so much I bought it. :)

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I watched it, I found it ultimately unsatisfying because it's conclusion seems to be that a lot of people lied about a lot of things and nobody really has a clue what's going on. That's most likely accurate, but still, you sort of expect more from the film. It is educational in so far as it shows the complexity and sophistication and sadly the effectiveness of the tactics of the UFO disinformation factory.

Hog.

Ain't that just life in a nutshell. ;)

[Agape]

It's an important documentary for sure - exposing the lies . And how can any of those people be trusted to be telling the truth 'this time' when last time they told the 'cover story' with the same level of confidence and the time before ,
it was the 'previous cover story' ,
but this and only this time they speak 'the truth' ? The trick is .. some always pretend to know the truth , they give truth the face ( they think ) no matter how much they know, for real or not, what is it that they've really seen ,
documents, people, objects , as long as there's no one who can disprove them directly ..no direct witness to the little lie .. they can speak with convincing attitude .

For me this covers about 88% of the 'disclosure arena' , sorry to say , people who remain totally honest with themselves, others, their testimonies are usually either forgotten , unseen , valued as 'unimportant witnesses' ,

while the 'Stars' are those who can make their presentations shiny and keep strategically agreeing with the 'pack' who runs the show .


:emptybath:

[Iarmhéid]

I just find it a little bit concerning that it seems some really want ET intervention to have happened? or am I misunderstanding people - one of my largest concerns is the effect on the human psyche of this information - should it be untrue, cannot be understated. I am as of yet not convinced - I am comfortable with human beings as they are - they've the capacity for great beauty - but we have our limitations - we have our fragility - I believe we have inherited 'evil' from that age of scarcity, cataclysm and disaster.. I believe the whole human race is going through the peak of that age of fear right now - and all the ugly things that we do to each other do not require botched DNA to manifest... I accept... it is possible - but even with miles of underground catacombs and starchild skulls I just cannot see not only how there is proof of all this... but I cannot see how even if I were to accept it how it would possibly effect my course of action on this earth. My course of action is to end human slavery on this planet, I don't care what race or origin the slavemasters are.

However I will make time for further research - I want to ask you where would you go for the most revealing evidence you have seen? I have been considering Velikofsky and Beaumont.

[korgh]

I also watched it and i cannot say more than my friends said about the documentary but i have to agree with Hogswitch: The " conclusion seems to be that a lot of people lied about a lot of things and nobody really has a clue what's going on" . Pretty good documentary indeed but nothing was conclusive or clear.. not even a clue.

i keep my doubts :)
" The greatest trick the Devil was convincing the world he didn't exist."

cheers

[boja]

Check out Richard D Hall's website, richplanet.net http://www.richplanet.net/detail.php?dbindex=209

See what he thinks about John Lundberg & Mark Pilkington.

(2 of the film makers).

[Bill Ryan]

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Here's the full Mirage Men documentary — link valid for 7 days. Highly recommended. :)

http://we.tl/AFVBSsAwJe

[Bill Ryan]

:bump:

I just re-uploaded the documentary to WeTransfer for a friend... download link here (valid till 24 Oct)

http://we.tl/fVBJzuTtdX

[Clear Light]

:bump:

I just re-uploaded the documentary to WeTransfer for a friend... download link here (valid till 24 Oct)

http://we.tl/fVBJzuTtdX

Hmmm ... not that I have so far drawn any conclusions from watching it Bill, however, one thing is clear and that is the "Power of Human Imagination" !

[Bill Ryan]

.
And now uploaded again, downloadable till 3 November:

http://we.tl/h9QDX82BA8 (http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwe.tl%2Fh9QDX82BA8&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNGg32aoTullU8YaVhWZoAtNXYav0g)

[Bill Ryan]

.
Here's a permanent download link (in the new Avalon Library (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89859-The-Avalon-Library)) :thumbsup:


http://avalonlibrary.net/Mirage%20Men%20(2013).mp4 (462 Mb, MP4 format)

[seah]

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what it does do though is gets Richard Doty, a notoriously slippery man to corner, in front of the camera discussing the things he has done, along with a number of the other significant players. The intelligent viewer will however ask why Rick Doty came forward willingly to be an interview subject for this documentary, given every move he has made on the UFO topic seems to have been precisely calculated to have a certain effect. He seemingly has no reason to offer all this information. So why is he doing it? And why does he admit to so much, but then deny involvement with Serpo when investigators seem to have caught him red-handed (via email IP addresses)? By the end of the film you'll be second guessing everything more than feeling as if your ideas have been confirmed, and perhaps that was exactly Doty's intent. And, if you want to get truly paranoid, you might start to worry that the documentary's creators go under the name 'Perception Management Productions' (echoing Bosley's description of the MJ-12 documents), and has within its ranks individuals who for many years have created crop circles as a type of art (http://www.dailygrail.com/Reviews/2006/11/FIELD-GUIDE-Rob-Irving-and-John-Lundberg), and then sat back and observed as those 'anonymous' deceptions have engendered their own belief system and followers. Fractured mirrors and rabbit holes indeed...

Mirage Men is necessary viewing for anybody with an interest in either the topic of UFOs, or the role of government agencies in spying on and/or deceiving their own citizens. The former may be a specialised group, but the latter should include everyone. A highly recommended documentary – if your eyes weren't already open, they will be after watching this film.
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I watched this program recently, it is available on Netflix. It didn't look to me as thought Doty felt cornered while being interviewed at all. His disinfo agent hat was prominently on his head (metaphorically speaking).

Linda Howe said it’s been a long standing cover up story to tell anyone who will listen that the ufo’s being seen are being used to cover up advanced tech "when the truth is the opposite of the words". But isn't it in fact true in some of the cases? that was confusing to me. Later when she is speaking about the classified documents she was shown she seems to be saying that she believes, at the time she was being interviewed for the documentary that they were real, but isn't that rather naive? it appears to me she was being set up.

It also brought up the notion that the entire MJ12 thing as we have been told is fabricated, though it continues to be spoken about in alternative media as though it is fact.

[happyuk]

Let me get this straight. Doty of Project Serpo AND the Bennewitz fiasco? Did Greer not even do a quick google search of this dude before providing him with a format for ever more lying?

Yes, the same guy. Greer certainly knows all about him.

Doty does know (and sometimes talk about) some real stuff. But basically, he's an on-off disinformant, and always has been. That's the (designed) problem with disinformation: some if it is true, and some isn't.

The Mirage Men documentary is excellent — highly recommended. It's all about Doty, and the hall of mirrors he lives and works in.


http://avalonlibrary.net/Mirage%20Men%20(2013).mp4


I would also treat this film with a degree of caution. One possible warning sign is in the opening title - "Perception Management Productions".

Richard D Hall did a cracking documentary about the film's authors John Lundberg and Karl Pilkington and their colleagues about whom he produces some pretty compelling explanations as to why he thinks they are fully paid-up disinformation agents, funded by Mi5 or similar. Your name is also mentioned Bill! About John Lundberg he says:

"Lundberg was probably recruited by MI5 in 1992. Since then he has been paid by British Intelligence continually. We believe that due to the anomalies about the property where he lives, MI5 have also been providing him with free lodgings in London since around 1995.

As many people know, Lundberg’s activities have been in making crop circles throughout the UK, and sometimes travel to foreign countries such as Italy, to trample down fields there too. We believe MI5 has funded these activities for almost 2 decades and have been giving him money to pay the rest of the crop circle team. There would typically be 5 or 6 in a team.

We believe MI5 made a big mistake in 2004 by paying for Lundberg to re-train as a film maker. This we believe was a gross miscalculation on their part and provides even more evidence that MI5 disinformation is what Lundberg is part of. If Lundberg was a true “artist” as he claims, why would he be interested in the “UFO” subject for his film making? His latest film “Mirage Men”, promises to be a superb piece of disinformation. He has managed to interview some of the top names in Ufology; namely Bill Ryan and Richard Dolan. These individuals may well regret taking part in this programme as MI5 and Lundberg seem to have set out to debunk them."

Richard D Hall thinks these people masquerade as genuine researchers when in fact their primary purpose is in sucking people in with the express purpose of being able to debunk and ridicule them and hence discredit the whole alternative media movement. Classic bear-trapping - the unwitting get sucked in, chewed up and spat out while genuine UFO and crop circle phenomena get forgotten about.

Please see this link for more:

http://www.richplanet.net/detail.php?dbindex=209 (http://www.richplanet.net/detail.php?dbindex=209)

[DeDukshyn]

Let me get this straight. Doty of Project Serpo AND the Bennewitz fiasco? Did Greer not even do a quick google search of this dude before providing him with a format for ever more lying?

Yes, the same guy. Greer certainly knows all about him.

Doty does know (and sometimes talk about) some real stuff. But basically, he's an on-off disinformant, and always has been. That's the (designed) problem with disinformation: some if it is true, and some isn't.

The Mirage Men documentary is excellent — highly recommended. It's all about Doty, and the hall of mirrors he lives and works in.


http://avalonlibrary.net/Mirage%20Men%20(2013).mp4


I would also treat this film with a degree of caution. One possible warning sign is in the opening title - "Perception Management Productions".

Richard D Hall did a cracking documentary about the film's authors John Lundberg and Karl Pilkington and their colleagues about whom he produces some pretty compelling explanations as to why he thinks they are fully paid-up disinformation agents, funded by Mi5 or similar. Your name is also mentioned Bill! About John Lundberg he says:

"Lundberg was probably recruited by MI5 in 1992. Since then he has been paid by British Intelligence continually. We believe that due to the anomalies about the property where he lives, MI5 have also been providing him with free lodgings in London since around 1995.

As many people know, Lundberg’s activities have been in making crop circles throughout the UK, and sometimes travel to foreign countries such as Italy, to trample down fields there too. We believe MI5 has funded these activities for almost 2 decades and have been giving him money to pay the rest of the crop circle team. There would typically be 5 or 6 in a team.

We believe MI5 made a big mistake in 2004 by paying for Lundberg to re-train as a film maker. This we believe was a gross miscalculation on their part and provides even more evidence that MI5 disinformation is what Lundberg is part of. If Lundberg was a true “artist” as he claims, why would he be interested in the “UFO” subject for his film making? His latest film “Mirage Men”, promises to be a superb piece of disinformation. He has managed to interview some of the top names in Ufology; namely Bill Ryan and Richard Dolan. These individuals may well regret taking part in this programme as MI5 and Lundberg seem to have set out to debunk them."

Richard D Hall thinks these people masquerade as genuine researchers when in fact their primary purpose is in sucking people in with the express purpose of being able to debunk and ridicule them and hence discredit the whole alternative media movement. Classic bear-trapping - the unwitting get sucked in, chewed up and spat out while genuine UFO and crop circle phenomena get forgotten about.

Please see this link for more:

http://www.richplanet.net/detail.php?dbindex=209 (http://www.richplanet.net/detail.php?dbindex=209)

The interesting part is that this project, I believe, had the purpose of debunking the whole UFO phenomenon; the result, didn't seem to be able to do that at all. I didn't get anywhere near the impression that the UFO movement had been debunked in any way. What it did indicate was the level of effort and the tools that these secret organizations use to mold the minds of people -- apparently motivated by the fear that some people get too close to the truth. Huge efforts and resources were used in the disinfo presented ... there had to have been serious motivation to protect some truth. If it were all about keeping "military aircraft" secrets from Russians or whatever, why not let people call them alien spaceships? Truth is hidden between the lines in that documentary, in my opinion.

Just bringing awareness of the level and types of tactics used by the alphabet agencies was a positive for that movie in my opinion.

[Bill Ryan]

I didn't get anywhere near the impression that the UFO movement had been debunked in any way.

Right. It was actually extremely balanced. (But Lundberg and Pilkington, both of whom I spent some time with, are most certainly debunkers.)

[happyuk]

I should have mentioned more about the crop circle creations which Lundberg and Co were involved in which are quite superbly crafted but which are fakes nevertheless. I suppose this has had the unintended benefit of forcing crop circle researchers to be yet more discerning and observant. Rich Hall has a really good interview which explains the differences between fake and kosher crop circles in a detailed way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfEuhmR5bzk

This is Lundberg's crop circle site, which gives plenty of information on how they produce fabulously complex crop circle designs:

http://www.circlemakers.org/

These people are almost certainly part of a government disinformation campaign. At one point there was a link on the site which was a recruiting banner, which took you straight to a government recruitment page for MI5! They will often recruit students who are in their final year of university. 1992 is when Lundberg graduated from the Slade School of art, and his wikipedia page lists 1993 as being the year he started making crop circles - in order words, very shortly after leaving his college, which incidentally is next door to MI5.

This recruitment banner is no longer on the site, but if you right-click the website and select the page source, you can see MI5 still listed as one of the keywords!

I do believe that the GENUINE crop circles are extremely important and that government has known this for a long time, and that is why that particular team was inaugurated in order to pull the wool over the eyes of researchers so that they wouldn't be able to see EASILY which ones were genuine and which weren't.

The REASON for all this playing games is simple - we are not alone and never have been!

[section9]

I didn't get anywhere near the impression that the UFO movement had been debunked in any way.

Right. It was actually extremely balanced. (But Lundberg and Pilkington, both of whom I spent some time with, are most certainly debunkers.)

FYI, Bill, I downloaded "Mirage Men" from the Avalon Library, but for some reason, while the video would play on QuickTime for Windows, there was no sound.

I have an Apple Tablet and I will try from that platform.





From Bill: I checked, and the audio's all there. On Windows (or even Mac, if needed), maybe try using the free VLC (https://vlc-media-player.en.softonic.com/) video player... it can deal with anything.

[Star Tsar]

Latest from Richard Doty...


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Richard Doty Makes A Surprise Call

Published 2nd February 2018

Tonight, Richard Doty, a retired Special Agent who worked for AFOSI, the United States Air Force Office of Special Investigation who was central in many events in UFO history...including Paul Bennewitz, William 'Bill' Moore and the Aviary...calls in to the show... although this was a surprise, what resulted was a conversation that lasted a full 90 minutes...without commercials... and to Richard's credit, he answered all of the questions that Jimmy asked... and whatever you may think about Richard Doty, an admitted and vetted disinfo agent for the Air Force...he did call in to the show and his answers must be studied...what is the truth and what is not??

Supporting Link: www.jimmychurchradio.com (http://www.jimmychurchradio.com)

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[Bill Ryan]

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Marvelous, important interview. This may well deserve its own thread.

Highly recommended. Jimmy Church did his best when totally ambushed by the unexpected call.

Doty talked extensively about the Paul Bennewitz affair, as he has done before, but what was NEW was his revelation that not only had Bill Moore (famously!) been co-opted by Doty at AFOSI (the Air Force Office of Special Investigations) to 'co-operate' by supplying information to them, but also Wendelle Stevens. (Wow.)

Doty explained that each AFOSI agent had been tasked to recruit a handful of people in the UFO community, and that he had two others who he was handling as well, whom he didn't name.

* BUT (!)

There were 122 AFOSI agents in the field, each tasked with the same orders — although some were working internationally (e.g. in Europe and elsewhere). So the total number of co-operating recruits in the community numbered between 350—500. Bill Moore was just ONE of them. Doty didn't know who had been recruited by all the other agents.

* AND (!)

The AFOSI weren't the only players in the field. The DIA and the FBI were also doing the same thing, and Doty stressed that the FBI had a really extensive operation.

So, OMG. No-one expected those numbers. This information is new. All this was in the 80s, but in that decade there was EXTENSIVE infiltration in the UFO community.

Church of course asked whether this was continuing. Doty said he wasn't in the loop any more, but he personally knew of two public names, currently active, who had been recruited. He implied that there must of course be many more.

Wow, once again.

After one takes a breath, that's no real surprise, but it was pretty interesting to hear it from the horse's mouth.

As always, Doty was friendly, affable, chatty and open. He always has been. (I knew him myself.)

More (in summary!) that Doty stated or clarified:


There were two crashes at 'Roswell' (two craft: one near Corona, and another, discovered two years later in 1949, near Magdalena), and that one live ET had been recovered. And there were other crashes in the late 40s and early 50s as well.
Paul Bennewitz was very much the architect of his own downfall, and was determined to believe what he did — even despite Doty's later attempted dissuasion. All this time, Doty was merely following orders, very low in the food chain as one of many AFOSI field agents.
There would regularly be as many as 20 agents, from different agencies, attending every UFO conference.
'Falcon' (of the 'Aviary'), and famously showcased in the 1988 documentary UFO Cover-Up?: Live! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CzZyrGolAg), was Richard Helms.
The MJ-12 documents that Bill Moore had acquired seemed to be genuine, and Doty didn't know how Moore had received them.

Church did pretty well on the fly. But OMG, I wish he'd had the presence of mind to also ask him the following:


Why did he call in?
Were the MJ-12 documents genuine that Doty famously presented to Linda Howe?
What was Doty's actual role in the Serpo affair?
What happened to the Roswell live alien that was recovered? What information was learned?
What had he heard or learned about the Apollo missions, and the current Secret Space Program?

Again, HIGHLY RECOMMENDED, and important.

[Star Tsar]

Dolan Dissects Doty & DeLonge!



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Richard Doty Makes A Surprise Call

Published 2nd February 2018

Tonight, Richard Doty, a retired Special Agent who worked for AFOSI, the United States Air Force Office of Special Investigation who was central in many events in UFO history...including Paul Bennewitz, William 'Bill' Moore and the Aviary...calls in to the show... although this was a surprise, what resulted was a conversation that lasted a full 90 minutes...without commercials... and to Richard's credit, he answered all of the questions that Jimmy asked... and whatever you may think about Richard Doty, an admitted and vetted disinfo agent for the Air Force...he did call in to the show and his answers must be studied...what is the truth and what is not??

Supporting Link: www.jimmychurchradio.com (http://www.jimmychurchradio.com)

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Episode 806 | Richard Dolan Breaksdown Doty & DeLonge

Published 16th February 2018

Tonight, we are going to break down the Richard Doty surprise phone call into Fade to Black on February 1st, 2018… and we will also discuss the recent Tom DeLonge/TTSA ball drop and fumble with their use of an image of a party balloon to raise funds and sell stock in his new company… we are joined in the later half by Steve Mera, live from the UK, who was the researcher on the original 'balloon' UFO pics from 2005 that DeLonge used as a 'real' UFO.

Richard Dolan is among the world’s leading UFO historians. He has written many classics for the field, including UFOs and the National Security State, A.D. After Disclosure, and UFOs for the 21st Century Mind, as well as ongoing booklets for his Richard Dolan Lecture Series. Richard has lectured around the world and has appeared widely on television, including Ancient Aliens and Hangar One.

Currently, he is the writer and host of the series “False Flags,” which appears on Gaia TV, and he is also writing a book on the same subject. He also hosts two radio shows: The Richard Dolan Show on KGRA and The Effed Files, and is the publisher of Richard Dolan Press, which features the work of many leading thinkers exploring alternative realities in our world.

Supporting Link: www.jimmychurchradio.com (http://www.jimmychurchradio.com)

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[Star Tsar]

Mr Doty on the Paracast...


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Richard Doty | Mirage Man

Published 18th March 2018

Gene, Chris and guest cohost J. Randall Murphy present an exclusive interview with former Air Force intelligence agent Rick Doty, long regarded as one of the more controversial figures in UFO research. What about the claims that he was a government disinformation agent, that he may have been responsible for forging such documents as MJ-12? What about his efforts to feed fake information about alleged alien visitors to one Paul Bennewitz in the 1980s? This will be a forthright interview that covers lots of topics and leaves you wanting more. Richard served his country in the US Air Force and was hired by the Air Force Office of Special Investigation after attending an intelligence course taught by the DIA and CIA. He served at Kirtland AFB as a counterintelligence officer snd also saw duty at Nevada Test Site, Air Force Test Center, Detachment 3 and Groom Lake, Nevada.

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[Tintin]

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Marvelous, important interview. This may well deserve its own thread.

Highly recommended. Jimmy Church did his best when totally ambushed by the unexpected call.

Doty talked extensively about the Paul Bennewitz affair, as he has done before, but what was NEW was his revelation that not only had Bill Moore (famously!) been co-opted by Doty at AFOSI (the Air Force Office of Special Investigations) to 'co-operate' by supplying information to them, but also Wendelle Stevens. (Wow.)

Doty explained that each AFOSI agent had been tasked to recruit a handful of people in the UFO community, and that he had two others who he was handling as well, whom he didn't name.

* BUT (!)

There were 122 AFOSI agents in the field, each tasked with the same orders — although some were working internationally (e.g. in Europe and elsewhere). So the total number of co-operating recruits in the community numbered between 350—500. Bill Moore was just ONE of them. Doty didn't know who had been recruited by all the other agents.

* AND (!)

The AFOSI weren't the only players in the field. The DIA and the FBI were also doing the same thing, and Doty stressed that the FBI had a really extensive operation.

So, OMG. No-one expected those numbers. This information is new. All this was in the 80s, but in that decade there was EXTENSIVE infiltration in the UFO community.

Church of course asked whether this was continuing. Doty said he wasn't in the loop any more, but he personally knew of two public names, currently active, who had been recruited. He implied that there must of course be many more.

Wow, once again.

After one takes a breath, that's no real surprise, but it was pretty interesting to hear it from the horse's mouth.

As always, Doty was friendly, affable, chatty and open. He always has been. (I knew him myself.)

More (in summary!) that Doty stated or clarified:


There were two crashes at 'Roswell' (two craft: one near Corona, and another, discovered two years later in 1949, near Magdalena), and that one live ET had been recovered. And there were other crashes in the late 40s and early 50s as well.
Paul Bennewitz was very much the architect of his own downfall, and was determined to believe what he did — even despite Doty's later attempted dissuasion. All this time, Doty was merely following orders, very low in the food chain as one of many AFOSI field agents.
There would regularly be as many as 20 agents, from different agencies, attending every UFO conference.
'Falcon' (of the 'Aviary'), and famously showcased in the 1988 documentary UFO Cover-Up?: Live! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CzZyrGolAg), was Richard Helms.
The MJ-12 documents that Bill Moore had acquired seemed to be genuine, and Doty didn't know how Moore had received them.

Church did pretty well on the fly. But OMG, I wish he'd had the presence of mind to also ask him the following:


Why did he call in?
Were the MJ-12 documents genuine that Doty famously presented to Linda Howe?
What was Doty's actual role in the Serpo affair?
What happened to the Roswell live alien that was recovered? What information was learned?
What had he heard or learned about the Apollo missions, and the current Secret Space Program?

Again, HIGHLY RECOMMENDED, and important.

Now saved to the Avalon Library (https://avalonlibrary.net/2018-02-01_Richard_Doty_surprise_call_to_Fade_to_Black_w_Jimmy_Church.mp3) so we do at least have this on record somewhere although it does still seem to appear on the FTB YouTube channel page.

Richard Doty surprise call to Fade To Black - February 1st, 2018


Run-time: 01:32:58
Published: February 2nd, 2018

https://avalonlibrary.net/2018-02-01_Richard_Doty_surprise_call_to_Fade_to_Black_w_Jimmy_Church.mp3