True or False?

[lyubomir]

Hi Everyone,

We talked about what is real and would like to ask you how you understand what is tru or false. How you understand what really is true?

For me to understand what is real I must know what is the goal that create the information, product, activity or something else - then I see how it is presented, but when we do not know what is the goal of the information ... how you understand does it true or false...

Best Regards,

Lyubomir

[Tiyaira]

Hello.

When the outcome of a particular topic has a potential impact on me, but I don't know whether it is true or false, I try to find the most prudent course of action. This way, it doesn't matter whether something is true or false, I am positioned for the best possible outcome regardless.

Example: Suppose there's no more food delivered to grocery stores for whatever reason - trucks stopped, electricity blew up, we ran out of oil, whatever. The prudent thing to do is to grow one's own food, and this is what I am trying to do now. If the food delivery system fails (true), then no problem, got it covered. If it doesn't (false), then I've learned a new skill (permaculture) and I get free, delicious food. Win-win!

The most prudent action is usually a win-win decision.

Edit: This is particularly important when the consequences of not acting could be threatening. If there's no food delivered, and I'm not growing my own, I'd starve. See Decision Theory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decision_theory).

[Tony]

Is it not a question of what is a constant, and what is not?


Tony

[gs_powered]

Precisely, what is true should always carry a somewhat of "reality" in it.
Wen one does not filter this "reality" or it is hard to spot (like in delicate subjects), I believe one should go with what feels more natural with oneself. At least then you are being true to yourself :p

[turiya]

What is real is not necessarily the same as what is true.

While dreaming, everything that is experienced in the dream is accepted as real, as being true.
Hence, even a dream has its own "reality". Its only when the dream ends, and the dreamer wakes up, does one realize that the dream was unreal - not true.
So it depends on one's level of awareness (or level of unconsciousness).


...to understand what is real I must know what is the goal that create the information
To understand what is real, one must 1st know what is unreal.

Being true to oneself is the crux of the matter.
The world is a marketplace. And everyone is trying to sell you something.
If you listen to too many salesmen, you will go mad. You will become false.

Just be authentic, listen to your own inner voice, and you will be true to yourself.
Everything else will naturally fall into its proper place.

turiya

[Camilo]

It's you (nobody else) who determines what's real or not in your reality. When I gather from time to time with my best friends who graduated with me from high-school (I'm 58), l and we start taking about everyday aspects of life, I can see right-away that most of the stuff they talk about don't exist in my reality at all, although there might be a few aspects similar to the ones in my reality. We relate well, laugh about silly things while reminiscing about the good old days. Basically I conclude that what's real in my reality is what I decide it is real, nothing more, nothing less, and what I decide is not real, just doesn't exist in my reality.

[Camilo]

What's true (real) for me, exist in my reality, and what is false (not real), doesn't exist in it.

[Tony]

Truth has to be beyond personality. Personality is a relative truth, belonging to 'me'.
Absolute truth, is our pure essential nature, that never ever changes.

My truth is limited to my understanding, it is a mental construct, and changeable.

Absolute truth, is beyond this body and mindset.

[lyubomir]

Thank you my friends for all these answers.

To be honest I continue to search for some answers because for me it's very important.

I would like to share several examples but it's difficult to explain the understanding of true or false. Everything is based on the result and effect plus many other things...

Thanks again for your time and if someone has something else to share it will be great.

Kind Regards,

Lyubomir

[yuhui]

I think my understanding of true or false is bit away from your question...but please allow me to say that when come across the question of true or false, right or wrong, good or evil...the so called dualistic way of thinking (or reason), sometimes it feels like stuck in a box when one is in this thinking (and I do not mean to come out of the box and shot everyone or sociopath thing....) :o

ok here is someone who can explain. （starts at 25:00, if you don't like people talking about buddhism, maybe starts at 32:58) He talks about morality (which is mostly socially constructed and accepted right or wrong,True or False, should or should not.....), but I think it's relevant, and important.

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He talks about morality (which is mostly socially constructed and accepted right or wrong,True or False, should or should not.....), but I think it's relevant.

[lyubomir]

Hi yuhui,

Thank you for this video and your comment. I find Buddhism is very close to something real and trully for me. Maybe there are keys for everything and morality is one of them.

Kind Regards,

Lyubomir

[turiya]

He talks about morality (which is mostly socially constructed and accepted right or wrong,True or False, should or should not.....), but I think it's relevant.

Your morality is not real.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_LNh_eeh6Q#t=36s

[yuhui]

He talks about morality (which is mostly socially constructed and accepted right or wrong,True or False, should or should not.....), but I think it's relevant.

Your morality is not real.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_LNh_eeh6Q#t=36s



I did not say it's real. And I certainly do not want to "own" morality.

So to clarify:

What I want to express is that the perception of "real" and "not real" is ultimately and inherently illusive (which is further explained in the video with the context of Tibetan buddhism and morality).


PS: I do not have problem with you saying my morality is not real.......and "god"........

[turiya]

He talks about morality (which is mostly socially constructed and accepted right or wrong,True or False, should or should not.....), but I think it's relevant.
Your morality is not real.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_LNh_eeh6Q#t=36s

I did not say it's real. And I certainly do not want to "own" morality.
So to clarify:
What I want to express is that the perception of "real" and "not real" is ultimately and inherently illusive (which is further explained in the video with the context of Tibetan buddhism and morality).
PS: I do not have problem with you saying my morality is not real.......and "god"........

yuhui,

My post is not an argument. It is not meant to argue the point with you.
On the contrary, it is in support of what you have posted.
It is in support of what the man said in the video you posted.

The conflict you are seeing in what I have posted is false. It is not real.
If it appears to be in conflict, then perhaps the conflict is within you. But to make a conflict out of this is not the intent.

The phrase that is written,. "Your morality is not real" is taken from the video. In fact, it is the title of the video.
The 'your' is used in the plural sense, directed to all the readers, to all the watchers of the video, in the general sense of the term. It is not directed to you personally, it is not used in the personal sense of the word 'your'.

We create our realities are we go. We decide each and every moment, whether we are in peace, or whether we are in conflict.
Most of the reality one sees in the outer world, is a projection of what is going on within.

Peace be with you.

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[yuhui]

On the contrary, it is in support of what you have posted.
It is in support of what the man said in the video you posted.

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Could you care to please explain a bit more?
Exactly, HOW?

[turiya]

On the contrary, it is in support of what you have posted.
It is in support of what the man said in the video you posted.
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Could you care to please explain a bit more?
Exactly, HOW?

I will certainly give it a try, yuhui.

yuhui said

He talks about morality (which is mostly socially constructed and accepted right or wrong,True or False, should or should not.....), but I think it's relevant, and important.


Dzongsar Khyentse Rinpoche says in the video you posted:
“Because these two questions are very important: What is bodhicitta? And is Buddhism a moralistic path?
Yes, it is moralistic path, but the morality of Buddhism has to accompany nonduality. If we lose nonduality, it becomes a puritanical path.”

'Puritanical' means, extreme, overly strict, unnatural.
And, one who has studied Buddhism knows that Buddha teaches the middle way.

So in essence, Dzongsar Khyentse Rinpoche is saying there are two different kinds of morality. The morality that is dualistic (taught by society) and the morality that is accompanied with nonduality (that which rises from within one's own being) .

Osho also talks of two moralities. “Your” morality (dualistic), that which is imposed from the outside, out of fear and/or out of greed. It is taught by the society in which you live. And then the “true” morality, which is not imported from the outside, but innate, it arises from within your own being.

The "true" morality that Osho speaks about is the same as the nondualistic morality that Dzongsar Khyentse Rinpoche speaks about.

Cheers, turiya

[yuhui]

On the contrary, it is in support of what you have posted.
It is in support of what the man said in the video you posted.
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Could you care to please explain a bit more?
Exactly, HOW?

I will certainly give it a try, yuhui.

yuhui said

He talks about morality (which is mostly socially constructed and accepted right or wrong,True or False, should or should not.....), but I think it's relevant, and important.


Dzongsar Khyentse Rinpoche says in the video you posted:
“Because these two questions are very important: What is bodhicitta? And is Buddhism a moralistic path?
Yes, it is moralistic path, but the morality of Buddhism has to accompany nonduality. If we lose nonduality, it becomes a puritanical path.”

'Puritanical' means, extreme, overly strict, unnatural.
And, one who has studied Buddhism knows that Buddha teaches the middle way.

So in essence, Dzongsar Khyentse Rinpoche is saying there are two different kinds of morality. The morality that is dualistic (taught by society) and the morality that is accompanied with nonduality (that which rises from within one's own being) .

Osho also talks of two moralities. “Your” morality (dualistic), that which is imposed from the outside, out of fear and/or out of greed. It is taught by the society in which you live. And then the “true” morality, which is not imported from the outside, but innate, it arises from within your own being.

The "true" morality that Osho speaks about is the same as the nondualistic morality that Dzongsar Khyentse Rinpoche speaks about.

Cheers, turiya


turiya，

Thank you so much!!:thumb::clap2:

[turiya]

Thank you so much!!:thumb::clap2:

I like your avatar!

[yuhui]

Thank you so much!!:thumb::clap2:

I like your avatar!

Thank you!!I like it too, it reminds me of the story of Zhuangzi's butterfly dream.

[Kelly]

I have no idea,
What is false,
And whats true,
I just know im me,
And you are just you,
What is false,
And what is real?
I only know,
That i love breathe and feel,
I know that im here,
I see the birds fly,
In the beautiful amazing green sky (?)
What is real for me,
Might not be for you,
No-one knows,
The ultimate truth! ;)

[turiya]

Thank you so much!!:thumb::clap2:

I like your avatar!

Thank you!!I like it too, it reminds me of the story of Zhuangzi's butterfly dream.

Interesting, I see you are in, or are from, China. But it must be the same story about the same Master.
Zhuangzi's butterfly dream = Chang Tzu's Butterfly Dream

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[yuhui]

Thank you so much!!:thumb::clap2:

I like your avatar!

Thank you!!I like it too, it reminds me of the story of Zhuangzi's butterfly dream.

Interesting, I see you are in, or are from, China. But it must be the same story about the same Master.
Zhuangzi's butterfly dream = Chang Tzu's Butterfly Dream

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Yes they are. Zhuangzi=Chang Tzu
I am from China. Hopefully I will be there in two weeks.

[turiya]

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