9/11 Flight 93 - Banned Newscast

[Cidersomerset]

I just saw this vid on David Ickes site...Could not find a U/tube
but click on link and you can see it.

Its a report from the crash sight soon after flight 93 supposedly
came down in a field near Shanksville...


http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/69297-911-flight-93-banned-newscast

[jagman]

I have watched the video a few times Cidersomerset, Sometimes I'm a little slow on the uptake lol what exactly should i be looking at?

[crosby]

hi jagman, it is what you are not seeing, that is what you should be looking at. this footage was taken directly after the 'crash', there should have been something there. and the fact that the news anchor woman states that there is literally nothing there is what banned the segment, imho. i remember reading an article that a coroner stated that after he arrived on the scene, he left 15-20 minutes later because there was nothing there for him to do or look at. i believe it was banned so that people would not start to think that the 'crash' didn't happen.
warmest, corson

[SKIBADABOMSKI]

I have watched the video a few times Cidersomerset, Sometimes I'm a little slow on the uptake lol what exactly should i be looking at?

No debri = no plane.. just a bomb was dropped into a field.

Basically.

[Bill Ryan]

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The plane was shot down. This is definitive. A Camelot witness, whom I got to know very well, was personally in the room when the decision was made and the order was given.

http://projectcamelot.org/elizabeth_nelson_flight_93.html






Elizabeth Nelson :
What really happened to Flight 93

Los Angeles, February 2009

--- I remember the distinct feeling inside of me when I saw on the news that there was this story that there were terrorists on this plane, and that the people overtook the pilot and crashed the plane, and how this was leaking out as these people being heroes. And I remember the extreme moral frustration inside of me, of feeling:
But that’s not true! That’s not true at all...

Elizabeth Nelson


Download MP3 audio interview (http://projectcamelot.org/elizabeth_nelson_flight_93.mp3) (in her real voice)
Full transcript (http://projectcamelot.org/lang/en/elizabeth_nelson_flight_93_transcript_en.html)

In February 2009 I was approached by a remarkable and very brave young lady who was present in the room when the decision was made to shoot down United Airlines Flight 93 over Shanksville, Pennsylvania, on the morning of 9/11: 11th September, 2001. In this 45 minute audio interview, this very courageous woman tells her story in detail.

The audio begins with a sequence of critical extracts which we have portrayed dramatically to illustrate the significance of the story. We're aware of the sensitivity and emotional import of this subject to millions of patriotic Americans, including many in the military, and we respect that fully. For obvious reasons, Elizabeth Nelson is not this woman's real name, but the account you will hear is totally authentic. As you listen to her testimony, consider the complexities of the events of that day, and the many good people who were caught up in them, seeking only to do the best for their country, quite unaware of what the real truth might be behind the scenes.

• [B]Click here (http://www.thewebfairy.com/killtown/flight93/crater.html) for one of many websites depicting the claimed Flight 93 crash site at Shanksville, PA.
• Major Rick Gibney (http://www.infowars.com/print/Sept11/93_shootdown.htm), the F-16 pilot who was claimed to have fired the missile.
• Discussion (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/abidemir/message/3014) of the Rick Gibney story.
• Testimony (http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2008/04/us-air-force-shot-down-flight-93.html) that a live missile was fired by an F-16 that morning.
• Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CX78zSjnY1s) of a Rumsfeld slip of the tongue suggesting that Flight 93 was shot down.

[Cidersomerset]

http://projectcamelot.org/flight_93_757.jpg



http://projectcamelot.org/elizabeth_nelson_flight_93.html

Elizabeth Nelson :
What really happened to Flight 93

Los Angeles, February 2009

--- I remember the distinct feeling inside of me when I saw on the news that there was this story that there were terrorists on this plane, and that the people overtook the pilot and crashed the plane, and how this was leaking out as these people being heroes. And I remember the extreme moral frustration inside of me, of feeling:
But that’s not true! That’s not true at all...

Elizabeth Nelson

In February 2009 I [Bill Ryan] was approached by a remarkable and very brave young lady who was present in the room when the decision was made to shoot down United Airlines Flight 93 over Shanksville, Pennsylvania, on the morning of 9/11: 11th September, 2001. In this 45 minute audio interview, this very courageous woman tells her story in detail.

The audio begins with a sequence of critical extracts which we have portrayed dramatically to illustrate the significance of the story. We're aware of the sensitivity and emotional import of this subject to millions of patriotic Americans, including many in the military, and we respect that fully. For obvious reasons, Elizabeth Nelson is not this woman's real name, but the account you will hear is totally authentic. As you listen to her testimony, consider the complexities of the events of that day, and the many good people who were caught up in them, seeking only to do the best for their country, quite unaware of what the real truth might be behind the scenes.

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Thanks Bill I did not realise you were putting up the whole link ..LOL..
I'm listening now ...Cheers steve

[crosby]

Hi Bill, i remember reading that. all i can say is that Tom Streams, the local (from my area)retired coroner was at the scene, and there was nothing there. he has not discussed the issue since. it is my personal opinion that 'everyone' would have been made to think that the order that was given was on the up and up. my personal opinion only.

there have been other stories that suggest that the plane actually rests at the bottom of the lake located near this area.
warmest, corson

[SKIBADABOMSKI]

I personally don't think it was shot down. I don't think the plane was hijacked to a point where they had to shoot it down. This was a huge operation that would never of been left in the hands of terrorists. NEVER.

The towers had to fall and the pentagon had to be hit and we have one plane aiming for the white house (heroes moment) All these planes were diverted and swapped and controlled. Dam if I had my finger in that pie I would never let 'chance' be a part of the result.

[gripreaper]

-------The plane was shot down. This is definitive.



I have watched the video a few times Cidersomerset, Sometimes I'm a little slow on the uptake lol what exactly should i be looking at?

No debris = no plane.. just a bomb was dropped into a field.

Basically.

I agree. If it's "Definitive" that the plane was shot down, where's the debris?

Here's a typical debris field:

http://www.columbiassacrifice.com/images/tech_diagrams/Map_Breakup.gif

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTFgLDqVnzlIVEVSJCiR1pDN-U3hpRoP1GflGhgHoZKayoESSPg

This should be present in a commercial airline debris field:

http://wakeup-world.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/large_planenew.jpg

This is the official explanation of what happened: [edit]the animated History channel gif of the crash disables if I close the window which is hosting it. here is the link not imbedded as an image file:

http://cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=1155&start=150

http://i1131.photobucket.com/albums/m551/equinox911/UA%20vertical%20stabilzer/7.jpg

Where's the tail section?

http://i1131.photobucket.com/albums/m551/equinox911/UA%20vertical%20stabilzer/16.jpg

The tail section typically survives like in these examples:

http://i1131.photobucket.com/albums/m551/equinox911/UA%20vertical%20stabilzer/tail.gif

Here is what flight 93 field looked like:

http://wakeup-world.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Flight93CraterReuters.jpg

http://i1131.photobucket.com/albums/m551/equinox911/UA%20vertical%20stabilzer/8.jpg

Nothing. Zilch. Nada...

[edit, post update]The only other explanation is that they used classified stellar technology which completely disintegrated the plane into nano particles, and the staged show for us sheeple was the photos shown above. That certainly is possible and plausible too, since they used their super stellar technology on the towers.

What a fun way to test your new toys eh? Take down a couple towers and blow a commercial airliner out of the sky and completely disintegrate it into dust.

The children chanting "plane" "hit" "steel" while Bush is reading "My Pet Goat" sent chills through my spine.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?47075-I-PET-GOAT-II-by-Heliofant-Comments-Welcome&p=520744#post520744

[sdv]

I came across a database of plane crashes (plnanecrashinfo.com) and looked at every photograph (I'm wary enough of flying and now I am darn scared!). It is very unusual for all the debris to be in such small bits. Here are the only examples I could find:

This plane crashed into a mountain but the photo is not a close up so not definitive: http://planecrashinfo.com/w20030109.htm but there are plenty of other examples of a plane crashing into a mountain and it does not disintegrate (and rock is harder than ground). Here's another plane crash into a mountain with no evidence of large debris but it is unclear: http://planecrashinfo.com/w19551006.htm.

This black and white photo is inconclusive?: http://planecrashinfo.com/w19910711.htm

This plane lost its two engines and crashed into apartments: http://planecrashinfo.com/w19921004.htm

This is what seems to happen if a plane nosedives when it crashes: http://planecrashinfo.com/w19971205.htm

This crash left a crater, but photo does not show enough to analyse debris; http://planecrashinfo.com/w19991025.htm

Photo not clear but this is what happens after a mid-air collision: http://planecrashinfo.com/w19860831.htm Here is a close-up look of another mid-air collision: http://planecrashinfo.com/w19780925.htm

Another plane that nosedived: http://planecrashinfo.com/w19700705.htm

Not clear, but this plane was brought down by a bomb: http://planecrashinfo.com/w19610510.htm

Perhaps someone else can go through this database and find one definite example of a plane disintegrating into tiny bits. It just does not seem to happen. I even looked for images of planes shot down and could find nothing remotely similar to flight 93.

My guess is that one missile took out the wings and engines, and another the tail, and the front part is what nosedived into the crater and disintegrated. If the plane was not shot down, then I think it so sad that there is so much secretiveness on the part of the government, and so much distrust of the government.

By the way, the reporter speaks about debris scattered over a 3-mile radius, but this is not shown, so I would need more evidence than this. The only photos I could find of the crash were taken from too high up to verify what she said but seem to show a smaller debris field than that.

That's my amateur and quick investigation and the crash of flight 93 just does not make sense in terms of an accident, even one in which a plane nosedives into the ground!

[Cidersomerset]

goodpost ..Gripreaper
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Fraudian Slip!! Or letting the Cat slip out of the bag !!

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http://www.whale.to/b/bollyn10feb4.html


Another famous clip....worth keeping in mind,,,,

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In 2003, Former Secretary of Transportation Norman Mineta testified before the 9/11 Commission:

Mineta: "During the time that the airplane was coming into the Pentagon, there was a young man who would come in and say to the Vice President...the plane is 50 miles out...the plane is 30 miles out....and when it got down to the plane is 10 miles out, the young man also said to the vice president "do the orders still stand?" And the Vice President turned and whipped his neck around and said "Of course the orders still stand, have you heard anything to the contrary!??"

Defenders of the Official Conspiracy Theory often claim that Mineta was referring to United 93 and not to unidentified plane coming towards Washington D.C. before the explosion at the Pentagon.

[Alan]

The plane was shot down. This is definitive. A Camelot witness, whom I got to know very well, was personally in the room when the decision was made and the order was given.


Just because the order was given doesn't mean it happened. It could have been theatrics to support the cover story.

[Cidersomerset]

Just because the order was given doesn't mean it happened. It could have been theatrics to support the cover story.

I was thinking that as I listened, possible ? Though Elizebeth Nelson was convincing and I believe the scenario she witnessed played out..
Smoke & mirror deception is a big part of their game....But untill proven otherwise the shoot down scenario or even a bomb placed on
board to be detinated if their initial plans go wrong or they need a instant abort !!

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THanks sdv some good photo links you gave me a thought!!

[sdv]

Oh what a tangled web we weave, When first we practice to deceive.

Why are they so afraid and so defensive that they have to make up stories that just do not make sense?

Anyone else find Donald Rumsfeld creepy? No doubt his wife loves him and thinks he is sexy, but I just find him very very creepy!

There was debris - MSM got some pics of that. But it was small little bits, and I looked through all the pics I could find of other plane crashes and could not find a definitive example of a plane disintegrating in tiny bits like this one did. It just does not happen.

By the way, I have just read The River by Edward Hooper, and the main reason given for everyone having to reject his hypothesis is fear of blame and demands for reparation (we may be held accountable and have to look after all those sick people in Africa). I am an African living in Africa, and yes many Africans are locked into the give me victim game, but can't we all try to move past that and forget about fear of blame and judgement and punishment and accept that this is what really happened and it is darn bloody awful and let's deal with it with courage?

[Cidersomerset]

There is another sensitive case of a airliner blown out of the sky !!..Lockerbie


http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01461/crater_1461588i.jpg


http://static.ibnlive.com/pix/sitepix/08_2009/lockerbie-bomber-freed-313.jpg


http://2.bp.blogspot.com/__7w1VNmWewU/R2xNGe92loI/AAAAAAAAAlw/1fgo-6MIgdo/s400/lockerbie.gif

http://blog.silive.com/latest_news/2008/12/large_12-18-STATEN-ISLAND-LOCKERBIE.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/08/20/article-1207816-061F03A4000005DC-277_468x312.jpg

http://www.documentingreality.com/forum/attachments/f181/67522d1247103829-lockerbie-plane-crash-now-scrap-dr.jpg


There was a lot of debris salvaged from this site ...

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http://plane-truth.com/Aoude/geocities/fb16.jpg

http://plane-truth.com/Aoude/geocities/crashpic.html



I agree. If it's "Definitive" that the plane was shot down, where's the debris?

Your right Gripreaper wheres the debris field at Shanksville & wheres the reconstruction !!

Smoke & mirrors !!

[Cidersomerset]

http://www.americanfreedomradio.com/Project_Camelot_12.html

John Lears latest interview with Kerry on weds 11th july 2012......

First part he talks about 9/11 .....


fun interview Johns theories are as wild as ever, most you would have heard
in other interviews but still a easy listen, even if you won't agree with some
of them !!

[Arrowwind]

Maybe if Major Rick Gibney had been an Oath Keeper it would have been someone else to shoot this plane down. If ALL the military were Oath Keepers, the people on that plane would still be alive today.

[Cidersomerset]

Maybe if Major Rick Gibney had been an Oath Keeper it would have been someone else to shoot this plane down. If ALL the military were Oath Keepers, the people on that plane would still be alive today.



The military are kept under control with the threat that if they break their Oaths, they are committing treason and are traitors to their country....

Which is a neat way to keep the majority of servicemen quite....aka....Bradley Mannings treatment....

[Kano]

The plane was shot down.

I grew up with someone whose father was a part of the intelligence apparatus. Soon after 9/11 happened we were all discussing the who, what, when, where, & how of the matter, my friend volunteered that he heard his father saying on the phone the plane was indeed shot down. He also relayed that debris was found over 6 miles away from the "impact" crater. Now I'm no physicist but the only way that could happen is if it came apart high up in the sky.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

If a missile was used to down Flight 93 at altitude, I would expect many parts to be found over a large almost linear area.

If a high tech weapon vaporized the aircraft, similar to the way the WTC was vaporized, then I would expect that very little or nothing would be found.

If most of Flight 93 hit the ground and made the hole at Shanksville many large parts would be found surrounding the hole in the ground.

[MMA_Fan]

If it was part of a conspiracy - why the need to blow up / shoot down a plane in a rural area?

Surely the planes hitting the towers and pentagon are enough to make an excuse for war/fascist dictatorship etc..

[Cidersomerset]

If it was part of a conspiracy - why the need to blow up / shoot down a plane in a rural area?

Surely the planes hitting the towers and pentagon are enough to make an excuse for war/fascist dictatorship etc..



Thats if it actually was a plane ? As the clip at the start of the thread suggests wheres the wreckage ?....
If blown out the sky it could have been blown over a large area....but the authorities suggest it
dissapeared down that perverbial rabbit hole, in the field !!

After the war weary 20th century the neo-cons needed something special in this media age
to guarratee that their war agenda in the middle east would not be stopped by congress
or whats left of the free press !!

So they needed this over the top theatrics to stun the world, and shock the public into
agreeing to them to do more or less what they want right up to today with homeland
security and the police state !!

[Leon]

Rumsfeld has said on air that he ordered the plane shot down...

The pilot who received the order has come forward and said I was ordered to shoot it down, I fired 2 sidewinder one into each engine.. you can google this and find it.

[crosby]

yes, rumsfeld did make statements on air, and yes there are many people who were told what was going to happen. given the fact that a conspiratorial act was in progress, what else could be said. i am thinking along different lines now as i have listened to the latest david e. martin radio show with kerry cassidy and towards the end, he speaks about gamers and how they may possibly be the ones hitting targets, not the pilots. (which they would be totally unaware of)- if this is true, it changes the scope of many different atrocities that have happened within the last two decades.

there are so many different angles and so many different theories - not unlike the kennedy assassination. will we ever know the entire truth?
regards, corson

[music]

So they needed this over the top theatrics to stun the world, and shock the public into
agreeing to them to do more or less what they want right up to today with homeland
security and the police state !!



This is the only thing we could say "is definitive" about the whole affair. Someone said the woman Elizabeth seemed credible, well, mind controlled people always do. They seem credible because in their fragmented and reconstructed psyches, discrete compartments allow for no leakage between personas or aspects. These people seem credible because they believe what they say, not because what they say is the the "definitive" truth.

[MMA_Fan]

If it was part of a conspiracy - why the need to blow up / shoot down a plane in a rural area?

Surely the planes hitting the towers and pentagon are enough to make an excuse for war/fascist dictatorship etc..



Thats if it actually was a plane ? As the clip at the start of the thread suggests wheres the wreckage ?....
If blown out the sky it could have been blown over a large area....but the authorities suggest it
dissapeared down that perverbial rabbit hole, in the field !!

After the war weary 20th century the neo-cons needed something special in this media age
to guarratee that their war agenda in the middle east would not be stopped by congress
or whats left of the free press !!

So they needed this over the top theatrics to stun the world, and shock the public into
agreeing to them to do more or less what they want right up to today with homeland
security and the police state !!

The theatrics (if that's what they were) were enough with the two towers and the pentagon. Why make a plane of passengers disappear somehow yet fake an incident in Pennsylvania?
There are too many holes in the logic.

[Maia Gabrial]

Honestly, it looks just as staged as the trip to the moon was. They had time to set it all up, place the "debris" everywhere just perfectly; and fly around dropping pieces of metal all over the place. I'm not sure I understand the big hole, though. Is that where the survivors got sucked into another reality, or what? And I guess all the cops thought they were just doing their jobs.... not really understanding their parts in the cover ups....

Whosever property that was, probably either got paid off or ordered to be silent as a matter of national security. Ha ha! We know whose security that would compromise....Not the nations' that's for sure.... It always seems to become a matter of "national security" when the criminals in this faux govt are involved up to their a**es in crimes. Have you all noticed that? They ONLY call it national security when there's been a govt/military crime committed....or about to commit one. I think I've seen it done once too many times....

I didn't buy the "official lies" for the towers coming down; and this one stinks even worse than that. How can we trust the official version when the officials are damn liars? Bush and his "dream team" of slugs better hide well. It's all catching up to them.
I just wanted to get this off my chest. Great job posting all the evidence, guys!

[crosby]

hi MMA_Fan, purely speculation on my part here, but if the theatrics of the twin towers were enough then building seven would not have come down either. i believe that there is much more to this than what we surmise and it is intertwined with global politics.

Maia Gabrial, i remember seeing a documentary where someone (possibly the owner) heard a plane, it sounded loud it disappeared and then boom. but i can't remember where i watched this. will have to do some research. if i find it i will post it here.
regards, corson

[MMA_Fan]

The whole 9/11 thing reminds me of a saying I was told is a defence attorney's motto - "If you can't convince 'em, confuse 'em".
I've read many conflicting things on WTC 7 and I don't know either way if that was an intentional demolition or not.

(Great avatar BTW ;))

[Cidersomerset]

The theatrics (if that's what they were) were enough with the two towers and the pentagon. Why make a plane of passengers disappear somehow yet fake an incident in Pennsylvania?
There are too many holes in the logic.



It all goes back for me to the 'New American ' centurty statetment in the early 90's when the cold war was over and the PTB via the new world order
decided they had to fill the void by taking over whatever world wide assets they could get their hands on.

They stated in their litrature that the only way to get the US involved in more prolonged conflct was to inisiate another 'Pearl Harbour' event !!

Basically 9/11 .....and it worked !!!

[robinr1]

what else possibly could it have been besides a controlled demolition? im a bit confused





The whole 9/11 thing reminds me of a saying I was told is a defence attorney's motto - "If you can't convince 'em, confuse 'em".
I've read many conflicting things on WTC 7 and I don't know either way if that was an intentional demolition or not.

(Great avatar BTW ;))

[music]

The whole 9/11 thing reminds me of a saying I was told is a defence attorney's motto - "If you can't convince 'em, confuse 'em".
I've read many conflicting things on WTC 7 and I don't know either way if that was an intentional demolition or not.

(Great avatar BTW ;))

There is not conflict except for disinformation and misdirection. Bdlg 7 wasn't even mentioned in the official enquiry, because there IS NO DOUBT that it was a controlled demolition. Well, there is the argument that the laws of physics were suspened for just one day, and in this one specific location, but most people don't buy that :) Here are two links for you, check them out and see for yourself:

http://ae911truth.org/

https://www.facebook.com/?ref=tn_tnmn#!/ae911truth

Facebook has now made it difficult to access the Architects and Engineers for 9/11 truth page through the search function there, a duplicate page has been set up with no info or links, and searches most often resolve to that bogus page. Smelling anything yet?

[crosby]

The whole 9/11 thing reminds me of a saying I was told is a defence attorney's motto - "If you can't convince 'em, confuse 'em".
I've read many conflicting things on WTC 7 and I don't know either way if that was an intentional demolition or not.

(Great avatar BTW ;))


i love your avatar too! i am in the same boat as you. there is so much to look at; so much to discern; so much to know. what feels right to you?
warmest, corson

[SKIBADABOMSKI]

All 4 planes took off and entered a zone, all the planes entered separate zones and in these zones the switch happened.
Remote controlled planes were used for the towers.

The Pentagon was hit with a missile and the crashed plane on this thread didn't crash, Another missile was used.

Where did all the real 4 planes go? Well they were taken to a secret location and everyone on board was murdered. Everything would of been easy for them to get what they want from the aircraft before they destroyed all the evidence.

Then everyone involved had already been given the clearance of any regret as they all were forgiven at the Bohemian Grove as they eradicated care from the conscience.
They were now part of the gang and were proud.

Top boys didn't have to see the killing of the people on the planes. Incidentally the black ops/mugs/wannabe's that did do the killing of the passengers were also murdered after they had done the job. Just to make sure.

A few screw ups with the impatient media was fixed and ignored and some stupid mistakes with the terrorists themselves but basically it was a job badly done but the results were all that mattered. Majority believed and that was that.

[crosby]

SKIB, you have set this cruely, but i see the truth.
corson

you should have been in papers, journelism...... (my heart is breaking.)
warmest, me.